camshaft54: you can use this thing i made to decode the encoded text:
https://gist.github.com/Camshaft54/23d5da7381d93d17598ee6af1aaeeba5
Westicles: if you make an encode one, everyone can use it and stop complaining :P
camshaft54: ã̴̹̙̯̙̄̓̔̐̀́̈́͜͜͝ ̴̳̳͙̻̩̙̘̙̦͖̌̅͛͒͛̃̏̚͠͠m̵̛͇̟͉͒̏̓͆̇̏̿́a̷̞̣͐̀͋͐̒̃́g̷̫̩͍͠i̴̛̫͆̈́̍͗̌̆͘͠c̸͉͚̐͜į̸̹͎͎̀̓̑̌͌̈͆͘a̴̖̮̝̯̩̖̮̭͆͂͒͆̅͜ͅn̸͖̏̾͐̚ ̷̥̏̆́̂̍͋͠n̷̨̰͈͕̯̤̬͔̊̈͒͜ę̷̛̗͈̭͉̗͍̙́̓̉́̌̄̏́v̶̧̢̛̞̺̩̩̊̄̆͋̐̅̿e̸͉̬̕ȓ̷̢̧̹͉͓̘͋̀̽͛̂͘ ̶̠̜͖̟̦̮̓͋̾͜r̶͚̄̒͒̂̐̕e̵͖͕̩̼͙̗̳̟̟̝̅v̸̹̻̟͒͊̃̇̀̐͘e̶͈̺̲̭͆̂͌͋̊̈́ą̸̨͕̙̺͕̰̱̬̈͝ͅl̸͓͎̃̾̓̆̔͐̒͝ś̶̢͉͖̻̈́̇̒ ̶̘̯̐̌͂̓̕h̸̨̭͕̗͙̑͂̋͌̓͑̍̚ͅḯ̵̧̼̠̳̤̱̞̞̗͘͝s̵̛͚̈́͌͛̎̄̏̓̔̍ ̵̪̠͔͔͎͗̕s̷͙̞̖͎̩͓̤̀̌̿̅̇̈́̂̕e̶̮͛̓c̴͈͕̠̽̽̀͘ŕ̴͉͓̹̙̟ͅe̸̥̬̍͊͊͂͌͐̍̔͝ţ̵̨̗̺̘͖̱̺̀͂̊̂̈̔̌͝ͅ
IdiddidI: halo
darkrai0002: hi
Mr_BlueBird: hi!
darkrai0002: hru
Mr_BlueBird: >-<
Mr_BlueBird: :)
Mr_BlueBird: i applied job at google
- joy:
Mr_BlueBird: *for job at google
derjack: oO
Mr_BlueBird: front end developer apply job at google, http://careers.google.com/
Hunter64TheOne: #fr
Hunter64TheOne: ya des fr
Hunter64TheOne: ?
Hunter64TheOne: #fr
Mr_BlueBird: reach lvl 9 to get a job, fun fact: you can get salary as you wish
InternalErrror: I have now seen two users using Chinese characters in a python exec statement to cut code size
InternalErrror: Is this legal behaviour?
Hunter64TheOne: #fr
Mr_BlueBird: yes
InternalErrror: e.g JonathanHo used this code:
exec('爬琽牡湧攬楮灵琊渽湴⡴⠩⤊愽❼✪渊景爠椠楮慮来⡮⤺ਠ漽琨⤊潲渠爨汥渨漩⤺ਠ映潛橝ℽ❼✺愽慛㩪崫潛橝⭡孪⬱㩝ੰ物湴⡡⤊'.encode('utf-16be'))
to cut his code size to 91 chars
Hunter64TheOne: #FR
InternalErrror: Why would this be allowed?
Mr_BlueBird: cheating
InternalErrror: This is just stupid
Hunter64TheOne: #f'r
Hunter64TheOne: #fr
Mr_BlueBird: stop man writing #fr
Hunter64TheOne: heu...?
Hunter64TheOne: iam a french
Mr_BlueBird: what?
Hunter64TheOne: ah ok
Hunter64TheOne: sorry
Mr_BlueBird: it's ok bruh
InternalErrror: And what can we do to prevent this?
Mr_BlueBird: fun fact: i am 11 and applying job for google:joy:
InternalErrror: There is no report button
Hunter64TheOne: desolate I had not understood.
Hunter64TheOne: there are French people?
Hunter64TheOne: there are French people?
Mr_BlueBird: some chinese persons use chinese to won the clash of code, but they don't what they are doing>
jnmchlmss: hi
Mr_BlueBird: hi
Mr_BlueBird: welcome, jnmchlmss
jnmchlmss: im a noob programmer who can help me
Mr_BlueBird: i can help you
Mr_BlueBird: you can learn algorithms and data structures from https://www.hackerearth.com/practice/algorithms/tutorial/linear-search
jnmchlmss: om do you know about pratice easy "Soduku alidator"
Mr_BlueBird: um, no
Mr_BlueBird: https://www.hackerearth.com/practice/algorithms/searching/linear-search/tutorial/
Mr_BlueBird: click this link to learn alogrithms
jnmchlmss: ok
jnmchlmss: thx
Mr_BlueBird: or, you can solve problems after learning algorithms
JonathanHo: wait a bot followed me? :joy: didn't know that was possible
derjack: Automaton2000 w00t
Automaton2000: you need to use a library for nn
derjack: no i dont :x
Mr_BlueBird: really?
Saad-py: heyo wsp guys
DaNinja: if Automaton2000 says so then it must be true
Automaton2000: why is it the same way
Mr_BlueBird: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/694621d56adfadb798c336732e297617123a
Mr_BlueBird: please click this link to see my contribution
IvesL: you cant force people not to use certain methods here
Mr_BlueBird: i correct it
Mr_BlueBird: people will learn more algorithms if they use bubble sort algorithm, and almost all can use built-in function for sorting people can't learn if they keep it up using built-in function
Westicles: that's like the dumbest idea ever
KiwiTae: Westicles ><
Mr_BlueBird: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/694621d56adfadb798c336732e297617123a
derjack: but you cant inspect into how they do it
derjack: either by bubble sort, builtin sort, or hardcoded print
derjack: there is puzzle about making sha256. people normally would use builtin solutions, so the guy changed the constants and everyone has to implement sha256-wannabe themselves
derjack: you cant do that with sorting
Westicles: He updated it to copy the previous clash I linked
[CG]Thibaud: not cool Westicles
Westicles: Yes, I agree
Mr_BlueBird: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/6947f318ef28126e266079c5bfb439db0371
Mr_BlueBird: my new contribution
Mr_BlueBird: Even or Odd?
Mr_BlueBird: This one is easy, and correct
[CG]Thibaud: but why? Mr_BlueBird
Uljahn: my new contribution: print "hello world" :)
Mr_BlueBird: just for fun
[CG]Thibaud: do you think the clash pool really needs another version of this kind of super easy puzzle?
[CG]Thibaud: that's the thing, for most players, it's not fun
Mr_BlueBird: this one is easy
Mr_BlueBird: you don't like it?
Mr_BlueBird: you have to just check n is even or not
[CG]Thibaud: yeah, what's challenging or fun here?
LouDelpirou: I have a question related to Asteroids easy training please. Are Asteroids able to move in depth, meaning their representation letter would change and that i will have to calculate the in-depth motion too or does that letter represents them at any given time ?
Mr_BlueBird: please approve my contribution
[CG]Thibaud: did you check the forum thread related to this puzzle LouDelpirou ? There might be the response to your question there (I didn't check)
LouDelpirou: that seems like the first thing to do sorry ill check
Mr_BlueBird: how you become a moderator [CG]Thibaud?
Uljahn: :joy:
[CG]Thibaud: :grinning:
Mr_BlueBird: what happened?
[CG]Thibaud: I choose chat moderators.
Mr_BlueBird: ph
Mr_BlueBird: *oh
[CG]Thibaud: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/contribute---help/chat-moderation
P4V3L14K0V: @All, I'm not sure it's best practice to post on chat, but could you review my proposed contribution for a classic puzzle:
P4V3L14K0V: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/689222cf366bec9d0707db2880a1a2d58a27
Mr_BlueBird: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/69336bfcdefa0d0f671c229f1ede3eca6af8
Mr_BlueBird: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/6948a34d391957ac4804f6a4286e91d2e9b1
karliso: Does 'Bit Runner 2048' has anything to do with 'Blade Runner 2049'?
Westicles: Other than the title, no
derjack: hm?
PoopyCoder123: wassup guys how is it going
PoopyCoder123: wow am i like a people repeller
karliso: I am gonna watch the movie.
GarethEddies: hi
GarethEddies: is this channel on discord ?
TobiasA: you username is a people repeller:innocent:
TobiasA: jk
derjack: its not discord
derjack: nor celestia
GarethEddies: but it says join us on discord above
GarethEddies: hi poopycoder, tell us about yourself
derjack: and it will open new tab
GarethEddies: fair enough, thought maybe this was connected to it
PoopyCoder123: hello gareth
PoopyCoder123: just finished an insane clash
derjack: all clashes are insane
PoopyCoder123: this was an especially insane clash
PoopyCoder123: somehow i was the only one who managed to do it
PoopyCoder123: oh shit your 4000th
PoopyCoder123: thats insane
derjack: is it good?
GarethEddies: is clash not working ?
GarethEddies: console.log wasn't working in javascript
GarethEddies: I think I realised my mistake
GarethEddies: should have just repeated the console for the new lines
harryslala: hello!!!
RizkySyahferi: hilih
GarethEddies: hi
harryslala: hello
Matt9400: Hello
Matt9400: Who are you?
GarethEddies: Software dev, from Brisbane Australia, you ?
Wontonimo: Hey GarethEddies, haven't seen you in chat before
Wontonimo: How did you hear about Codingame?
GarethEddies: twitch
Wontonimo: I see you've tried the multis (the bot battles), cool!
GarethEddies: are you an admin?
Wontonimo: no
GarethEddies: ok, where are you from ?
MiyamuraIzumi: haha
Wontonimo: I'm in Canada. Ontario more specifically in a small city called Peterborough
GarethEddies: Hi Miya, whats funny ?
GarethEddies: cool
GarethEddies: love Canada
GarethEddies: the company I work for, its parent company is based in Vancouver Canada
derjack: :upside_down:
Wontonimo: I've never been to Australia. A good friend of mine moved there years ago. I've been meaning to visit
GarethEddies: CSI software, have you heard of them ?
Mr_BlueBird: hi!
Wontonimo: rings a bell, but I can't place it.
derjack: CSI enchance? https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/2078832_700bwp.webp
Mr_BlueBird: :(
Wontonimo: lol
GarethEddies: sorry, Toronto apparently
Wontonimo: GarethEddies has anyone told you about the -3v trick on coders strikes back ?
Wontonimo: Toronto is very close to where I live. I lived there for many years
GarethEddies: no, I have to go
Wontonimo: later
Wontonimo: Hi Mr_BlueBird
Wontonimo: why you sad?
Mr_BlueBird: by mistale
Mr_BlueBird: *mistake
Mr_BlueBird: i send it
Wontonimo: that's very sad
mrq0340a: :'(
Mr_BlueBird: what happened?
struct: What did you improve in connect 4 MSmits?
Xascoria: hello
derjack: oO
struct: i had a decent win rate yesterday when i fixed my bug :(
struct: I was forgetting switching current player
struct: before starting the rollout
struct: so the same player would make 2 moves in a row
struct: :)
Wontonimo: and now it looks like MSmits mined your moves and has made counter moves. 6.3 point lead
MSmits: Wontonimo nope
MSmits: It's just another 3 days of running meta mcts
Wontonimo: hehe
Wontonimo: that meta mcts is brutally good MSmits !
MSmits: I update the book every once in a while. I am only at 10% of code size capacity btw
derjack: https://ahseeit.com//king-include/uploads/2019/01/50061675_2144288655663538_6930558001217457010_n-6341318478.jpg
Mr_BlueBird: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/69518aeed026535f769c9f27ba784ee7894f
Wontonimo: and Shaggy's power doesn't stop at 100% either
MSmits: how good a book from meta mcts is depends on how good the bot is that it is using to run games and the amount of games it has run. And also how simple the game is. C4 is pretty simple
Wontonimo: sounds like this book is going to be very good
MSmits: yeah, i was hoping to just solve the game. That would be a bigger achievement tbh. But not sure that is realistic
MSmits: all smaller sizes than this have been solved
Wontonimo: are you even considering an opening move other than 1 & 7 ?
struct: I dont think its needed
struct: He just needs to steal those
Wontonimo: or has your meta mcts pretty much determined that is the optimal
struct: His bot is strong enough
MSmits: https://imgur.com/a/PyjefeR
MSmits: I am focusing on move 1. But it really depends on how you define solving
MSmits: to prove that the CG version is a draw, I only need to prove move 1/7 is a draw
MSmits: that's assuming it is
MSmits: if it's not, i need to prove all starting moves are wins and losses
MSmits: and then p2 is the winner on perfect play
MSmits: due to steal
struct: ill just update my expansion
struct: I dont know what else to do for this game
MSmits: i stopped improving after day 1. Except I changed that one function with the loop thanks to you
DomiKo: ofc NN
MSmits: and removed static keywords thanks to darkhorse
struct: static in the avx thing?
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: static const
struct: maybe I was the one who told him that :)
MSmits: could be
struct: DomiKo but my bot is above current NNS
MSmits: yeah I really would not bother with NN here. You can make a great bot, but for simple games, NN is not better
Wontonimo: how are you storing the board? I was thinking __int128.
DomiKo: I'm really curious if they will improve
struct: uint64_t
Wontonimo: 2 of them?
struct: yes
MSmits: jace k and robo
MSmits: oh you mean two uint64_t
struct: robo has a big win rate vs me after I fixed my bug
Wontonimo: and how do you do shift with 2? I'm no bit twiddle expert
struct: You only need to shift 1
MSmits: i dont do anything on both boards at the same time
MSmits: you just need to know 1 player or the other
MSmits: usually the opponent, to see if he can win next turn
MSmits: well i guess you combine both boards to see which cells are occupied
MSmits: every once in a while
MSmits: but that's 1 bit op
Wontonimo: ah, so you arn't storing padding in your board
MSmits: no padding for me
Wontonimo: that's why you can fit it in 64
MSmits: exactly
MSmits: same for struct and darkhorse
MSmits: actually i havent ever used padding
Wontonimo: got it
MSmits: most of the time i need the full 64 bit
MSmits: i guess they use it for chess maybe? Or smaller games
struct: I only did padding for spring challenge
struct: but board was much smaller
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: people using padding for uttt as well I think
MSmits: there's some way to organize a TTT board to do win checks
struct: also im not really an expert on bitboards
struct: but I came up with stuff for c4 that Idont really understand
MSmits: huh
MSmits: what dont you understand?
struct: The way I update the legal moves mask
struct: Not the way I generate them
struct: That one I understand
struct: But the way I update
struct: i dont set and clear a bit
struct: I do something else
MSmits: oh
MSmits: but how did you come up with it if you dont understand
struct: trial and error
MSmits: I see
StarBoyG: woah there used to be a lot girls here
StarBoyG: what happeed
StarBoyG: happened*
Wontonimo: comments like that
Wontonimo: i'm guessing
struct: also I dont need __builtin_ctzll on my bot
struct: due to this
Wontonimo: Hey StarBoyG, don't swear at me in private chat. Not cool
struct: I kicked him :/
derjack: oO
struct: Now he is pming you ...
Wontonimo: may have been before the kick
Wontonimo: it was after my comment. whatever
struct: just ignore it I guess
Wontonimo: np
Wontonimo: thanks for chatting about the bitboard data size. Glad to hear it is possible in 64 bits, and it's got me thinking of how to handle the wrap-around issue i was having
struct: you need masks
Wontonimo: :thumbsup:
struct: I have in total 4 different masks
struct: and this is my board
struct: https://i.imgur.com/2HBpsMx.png
Wontonimo: wild. I had mine tilted the other way, column wise instead of row wise
struct: I feel like this format should be easier
struct: also you can do
struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/c820fd47-aeb7-452c-a67c-c21c8793069d
struct: to get moves
struct: and to update them is also eas
struct: easy*
struct: update mask i mean
Wontonimo: cool. it's amazing that such a simple design decision has such important implications
Wontonimo: if additional wood leagues are made, what happens to the existing bots in the current leagues?
struct: boss will be sumited to arena and then play all the batles until it stabilizes
struct: all players above will get promoted
AllYourTrees: new league for C$?
AllYourTrees: C4*
Wontonimo: so, people in wood1 may get demoted to wood2 ?
struct: no
struct: yes*
AllYourTrees: :scream:
struct: but one more league will be created
struct: so wood 2 becomes wood 3, wood 1 becomes wood 2
mrq0340a: platin diamond master tho
Wontonimo: i like it! AshKetchum, more leagues plz!
derjack: how do you know
struct: I cant donate this bot
Wontonimo: Maybe we could ask Smelty, 98th to?
struct: I was expecting like a top 20 bot
darkhorse64: I think a bitboarded MC may dowell
Wontonimo: AllYourTrees, how do you feel about donating your bot?
Wontonimo: ;)
Wontonimo: 18th
darkhorse64: One caveat: multi bots cannot be kept secret
Wontonimo: :(
Wontonimo: well that's no good.
darkhorse64: I mean thare are ways (that I don't know) to leak them
darkhorse64: *there*
struct: also the people that probably know
struct: wont copy paste them
darkhorse64: I would not want my MCTS bot to be leaked. For clobber, I wrote a lousy MM bot
AllYourTrees: Wontonimo for what? sry
AllYourTrees: for the boss?? :O
Wontonimo: how about you donate your C4 bot as the Wood2 boss
AllYourTrees: what goes into donating it?
darkhorse64: Read chat above
darkhorse64: just above
MSmits: darkhorse64 you said: "multi bots cannot be kept secret"
MSmits: thats confusing
MSmits: you mean bosses
Wontonimo: idk to be honest. You'd have to share your code with someone who adds it to the multi
Wontonimo: i'm guessing
darkhorse64: MSmits: true
AllYourTrees: its a MCTS+NN :thinking:
AllYourTrees: would i still be allowed to submit other versions?
darkhorse64: Yes
MSmits: bosses should preferably not be heavy search bots and not use the full calc time, but maybe in this case that is not possible
struct: im sure if my bot uses 10ms it would still be top 10
struct: let me try
MSmits: top 10 i doubt, but top 20 sure
AllYourTrees: :shock:
Wontonimo: :and awe:
struct: ill make 100ms first turn and 10ms rest
Wontonimo: oh, i'm gonna love watching this
struct: it won vs jacek
struct: lol
struct: localy
AllYourTrees: whats your approach again struct? simd?
AllYourTrees: smart rollout mcts?
struct: yes
MSmits: darkhorse, struct and mine are mostly identical in algorithm. Only difference are implementation details
MSmits: at least that's what i get from our convo's
darkhorse64: struct top 15 at 25%
AllYourTrees: that's pretty crazy
Wontonimo: wth Struct, go easy on the other bots lol
MSmits: well in most multis bot quality goes down fast below top 5 or top 10
MSmits: most community multies i should say
derjack: why so low in oware
MSmits: me?
derjack: who else is low :v
MSmits: current version has some rps problems vs marchete
MSmits: but i am not working on it
MSmits: marchete joined the 2nd tier NN's
MSmits: agade and re curse
MSmits: my bot can generally hold its own vs those quality NNs, but I cant win 100% vs lower ranked players like they mostly can
MSmits: hard to do that with 9 params overfitted to work against strong bots
MSmits: Allright, I got 24 hrs to finish my internship report
MSmits: or I run risk of not beating the deadline if I get vaccination side effevts
MSmits: effects
mrq0340a: life is a mysterious thing
MSmits: smelty is supposed to say "interesting" or "hmm" now
MSmits: guess he's not here
mrq0340a: interesting
MSmits: looks like you were right struct
Wontonimo: good luck MSmits
MSmits: thanks
struct: yeah, also gl
MSmits: have to write around 2k words
MSmits: and add literature and stuff
struct: rank 5, not bad :p
MSmits: it's nice
struct: time to resubmit
Wontonimo: 37.84, that's about 2.5 points lower. I'm not exactly sure what that translates to, but my guess is a 70/30 win/loss compared to your 100ms bot.
struct: my bot is terrible against robo
Mr_BlueBird: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/69518aeed026535f769c9f27ba784ee7894f
Mr_BlueBird: please upvote my contribution
Mr_BlueBird: please
Mr_BlueBird: :(
Mr_BlueBird: :(
struct: stop
Wontonimo: don't spam
struct: also you need to wait
eulerscheZahl: why is your contribution more important than the 75 others pending?
eulerscheZahl: only 76 pending, that's surprisingly low
eulerscheZahl: 75 if you subtract the eternal troll vs castle
darkhorse64: The ever farming multi
OrisRas: im really new to coding, what is the easier way to start to learn?
JohnCM: try reading a book on the language
JohnCM: or you could try clash of code and see other ppl's answers and learn from there
Mr_BlueBird: https://hackerearth.com
OrisRas: im playing clash now but others answers are vague if i dont know what they are typing
Mr_BlueBird: here you can learn algorithms
OrisRas: thanks^^
Mr_BlueBird: wlcm
eulerscheZahl: "The ever farming multi"
worth more than creating a contest
struct: 11% win rate vs robo
struct: this damn NNs
eulerscheZahl: UTTT?
struct: Connect 4
Mr_BlueBird: it's hard
eulerscheZahl: i see, Oware
struct: oware is worse yeah
struct: but on connect 4 robo bot is very good vs me
Mr_BlueBird: I tried to win but lost :(
derjack: try to lose then
darkhorse64: I have got a good win rate against robo. RPS effect ...
struct: I tried to update my expansion
struct: but was getting memory errors
struct: Ill need to go back to it
Wontonimo: a well trained NN has some similarities to opening/closing book, in that the weights effectively are memorizing (hopefully generalizing) good moves. But it falls down where it hasn't memorized (or hasn't generalized well)
Marchete: are you vaccinated, MSmits?
Mr_BlueBird: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/695300827859832ce78b351120af6b3e4291
Marchete: I'm seein that Wontonimo, my bot seems blind
Marchete: to some moves
struct: Next time is a ban BlueBird
**eulerscheZahl gets vaccinated tomorrow, hooray!
struct: grats
Wontonimo: yeah!
struct: ill have to wait a little bit longer
Marchete: Spain hasn't finished 40+ people yet...
BlaiseEbuth: You gonna be 5g-controlled by nano-bots! :scream:
Marchete: so I'm not vaccinated
struct: my age should take me like 3 months
struct: until I get called
eulerscheZahl: also struct: warn about ban, then kick. to make sure the user can still read the warning
struct: :)
darkhorse64: I am writing the bot to control you all
Marchete: I hope my 5G + magnetism shots improves my coding skills
**Marchete cross fingers
eulerscheZahl: we don't have prioritization in Germany anymore
eulerscheZahl: https://impfdashboard.de/
Marchete: I'm half autistic so that's not a problem
Wontonimo: i got my 1st dose this last weekend
eulerscheZahl: "this last" is a confusing way to state it :D
BlaiseEbuth: I should probably reserve my dose before macron send it somewhere in the world...
Wontonimo: calk it up to my otherwise quirky Canadian ways
Mr_BlueBird: i am just 11, no dose for me :(
Wontonimo: *chalk*
reCurse: How is that confusing?
Mr_BlueBird: ??
Wontonimo: "This last"
eulerscheZahl: is it this weekend? last? "this last"
reCurse: Obviously previous
Mr_BlueBird: btw, am i the only person here of age 11?
reCurse: I don't see how would that make sense as the current
AntiSquid: why would you want the vax if you're that young Mr_BlueBird ? lol
Mr_BlueBird: :)
AntiSquid: kids are at lowest risk, you're better off not risking side effects
Mr_BlueBird: i am not worried
eulerscheZahl: there are a few users of similar age. not sure if any of them online here on chat right now
Mr_BlueBird: yeah!
reCurse: If you look into clashes you'll probably find more people your age
eulerscheZahl: :flame:
sprkrd: that sounded a bit backhanded :O
Mr_BlueBird: um, user 5ALID is 1 year older than me
Wontonimo: i thought skipping the lower age group was more about the development of the immune system and it not being as effective
Wontonimo: I approve your message reCurse lol
AntiSquid: there's a minimum age requirement, at least at my vax center but should be everywhere, something like 16 or you see a doctor first and you better have a guardian with you if you're a minor
Wontonimo: congrats struct on 2nd in C4
struct: thanks but I think I was a bit lucky on this submit
eulerscheZahl: yes you were
AntiSquid: what are you using struct?
eulerscheZahl: lucky that reCurse didn't try the game yet
struct: mcts solver
reCurse: Which game, c4?
struct: well i already cant beat msmits
reCurse: Meh
AntiSquid: oh alright
eulerscheZahl: 274 players already, wow
struct: euler you can make it top 10 with C# easily
eulerscheZahl: it will soon bypass dots and boxes as the most popular community game
kovi: lets push dice dual for pow...
eulerscheZahl: maybe i just don't want to, struct
eulerscheZahl: dual? Did i make a typo in the title?
sprkrd: you all really are upping its popularity, a lot of chat about c4 recently
AntiSquid: is anyone using bitboads for diel duels ?
kovi: i always make that typo lately
AntiSquid: dice *
eulerscheZahl: my #4 bot is pretty much the boss
Wontonimo: later, gotta go
struct: cya
reCurse: "Writing in golf style can help building up a bad coding habbit unacceptable in the majority job market. Don’t be too serious to win the game but lose the job."
reCurse: I laughed more than I should
struct: is that quote from CG?
reCurse: Random forum post
reCurse: I can just picture a random employee getting addicted to clashes like meth and losing job, wife, house, etc.
eulerscheZahl: reminds me of a question on CG discord: what's the difference between function X and YZ?
darkhorse64: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/minify-is-cheating/191450/4
eulerscheZahl: Unihedron replies (without a joke I think): the first has 1 less letter
eulerscheZahl: question was not in golfing context
derjack: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684208912790323266/854864866987999232/onfg5gsank571.png
sprkrd: what i find most ridiculous about golfing is the creation of programming languages specifically targetting golfing
sprkrd: I'd mention one of those programming languages, but their name is as ridiculous as their intent
struct: lol
reCurse: Perl?
sprkrd: ha!
sprkrd: Yeah, Perls is kind of write it once, never read it again
sprkrd: I always try to take the chance to bash Perl, but you beat me to it this time
derjack: next time perl the bash
sprkrd: the puns
sprkrd: they never stop
sprkrd: :joy:
bouchert: That reminds me. I once took a closer look at the "Advent of Code" leaderboards...
bouchert: Particularly, the person who seems to regularly be at the top, "betaveros"
bouchert: Clicking through to his Github page, I see he invented his own private code golf language, which he tweaks whenever he finds a solution that can't be expressed succinctly enough.
eulerscheZahl: my personal nightmare project on github: https://github.com/louthy/language-ext
IvesL: is the site lagging or just my problem, it seems running quite slow
bouchert: I expect he's also so good at challenges partly because thinking in this language is now second nature to him, so it's literally just down to typing time, so code golf actually does get him the answers faster.
ANONYMOUS42: "if you squint, can look like extensions to the language itself." lmao
bouchert: Oh dear. For people who feel C# isn't enough like Haskell
eulerscheZahl: someone at work decided to make heavy use of it
IvesL: and has clash of code been updated? i have a feel the score rises faster
Marchete: Functional? but why?
Wontonimo: because OO is dead, didn't you get the tiktok?
BlaiseEbuth: If you want to code in functional, use a real functional language... -_-
Marchete: this
reCurse: Yes because switching to a whole other language for wanting a few features makes sense
BlaiseEbuth: Oh. Yes. You're right. I forgot the universal law that force you to use a single language for a whole project...
reCurse: Not much difference if you give up the whole leverage from the code you already have
BlaiseEbuth: leverage?
reCurse: You know, you might have the entire structures laid out with the right data, objects, etc already done. Then there's a part of the problem where functional would be a good fit.
eulerscheZahl: emprise
bouchert: C# has been pretty liberal about implementing the bits of functional programming it can, while not necessarily forcing you down a functional pathway if it's not the easiest way to work.
reCurse: Exactly.
bouchert: Sure, it may not be as elegant or airtight as a pure functional language, but I like the flexibility.
reCurse: That's the reason it sees adoption.
eulerscheZahl: and well integrated into the rest. like working with lambdas on a list and then getting a list again with ToList()
eulerscheZahl: while that LanguageExt lib has its own collections and I still have no idea how to easily convert them back into something closer to the common libraries
BlaiseEbuth: Sure. But interfacing languages is also possible. Probably don't worth the effort for little pieces of code though...
reCurse: Take that from someone who spent years of professional work with language interop
reCurse: Don't.
BlaiseEbuth: Why?
reCurse: Neverending nightmare
BlaiseEbuth: Oh. Can you develop a little? Cause I heard the exact opposite from somebody else. So I'm curious ^^
reCurse: I'm trying to find an answer that won't start a 2 hours discussion but it's difficult
Curious: Every time someone is curious, I receive a message :))))
reCurse: The amount of friction it causes in a lot of ways is just not worth it. Maintenance, debugging, hiring, etc....
reCurse: To the point the shitty solution in the language you have is often ending up quicker and better than the perfect solution in the other language
Marchete: after reading you I agree
Marchete: the shitty solution is cost effective
Marchete: just reuse your staff
BlaiseEbuth: Hmm... I see. I can easily imagine. But the person who told me about that was so enthusiast... :)
reCurse: Well obviously I'm exaggerating for effect, not going to pretend there's never a case where it can work.
reCurse: But I'd wager I'm more often right than wrong on that one
eulerscheZahl: "just reuse your staff"
as opposed to laying everyone off and starting a new round of hirings?
BlaiseEbuth: :p
reCurse: So for one I'm glad new paradigms are added even if they feel bolted on because of legacy design constraints.
reCurse: C# taught me functional can actually be useful in the real world
reCurse: And back when I did a lot of C# I'd use those features quite often
reCurse: Trying to find back an insightful article on the same subject going along the same lines. Gamedev company that started new tools in web and ended up back to qt because of that kind of friction.
reCurse: Mirrored my own experience strangely enough
BlaiseEbuth: I confess I only use functional for fun on CG and stuff... In what cases writing pieces of functional code in a non-functional project is pertinent ?
reCurse: Found it, not article but slides https://deplinenoise.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/webtoolspostmortem.pdf
reCurse: LINQ is a good example
1rre: I use functional near-exclusively unless I'm using C - there's not a lot that you can do in one domain that you can't do in the other, it just depends which you're useful
eulerscheZahl: 10 slides to read 2 sentences...
Florian_bg_love: big cock in my mouth
Florian_bg_love: i like dick
eulerscheZahl: who kicks first?
eulerscheZahl: i see
eulerscheZahl: ban, fine
darkhorse64: fresh meat for BlaiseEbuth ?
eulerscheZahl: no, the curse got it
reCurse: Not the most readable form but still, not sure the presentation is freely available
Fox_MPSI-LIV: Blaise can you come in the chat FR pls
Fox_MPSI-LIV: 1 sec
darkhorse64: yep fresh meat there too
Fox_MPSI-LIV: hey
KiwiTae: #fr
Marchete: an ad popup in developer tools :D
Marchete: lol
Marchete: slide 198
BlaiseEbuth: "js is a toy language" "node.js is a terrible ecosystem" I like this guys. :3
Charlzz.: hi
Charlzz.: nvm gtg
popupro: Is it possible to test my sorting algorithm somewhere?
Mr_BlueBird: https://hackerearth.com
Mr_BlueBird: https://hackerearth.com/practice
BlaiseEbuth: popupro : locally ?
popupro: BlaiseEbuth : anywhere is fine
BlaiseEbuth: So what's the problem?
popupro: well actually let me change what I said, I want to just upload the code online, change a few variables and let the website test if my code works just fine, it's my first attempt at a radix sort
Mr_BlueBird: i am telling how you can practice
BlaiseEbuth: If you coded it locally, why can't you just test it locally ?
Mr_BlueBird: https://www.hackerearth.com/practice/algorithms/sorting/radix-sort/tutorial/
Mr_BlueBird: click this link to practice
Mr_BlueBird: radix sort
eulerscheZahl: https://tech.io/
https://ideone.com/
https://replit.com/
eulerscheZahl: lots of sites where you can run your code online
Mr_BlueBird: https://onlinegdb.com
eulerscheZahl: repl.it doesn't look like it used to anymore
MSmits: still works fine
eulerscheZahl: but needs login?
MSmits: I have to grade a bunch of websites made with html/css made on repl.it
Mr_BlueBird: online gdb dosen't needs login
MSmits: you need login i guess yeah
MSmits: well not to see other people's stuff if it's public
eulerscheZahl: i'm pretty sure i used repl.it without login in the past
MSmits: (which it usually is)
Mr_BlueBird: well, you need to login for saving
MSmits: well it creates a temporary repo if you dont login
eulerscheZahl: and for hosting I use heroku
MSmits: not sure if you can still do that
eulerscheZahl: once a month I get this:
You have used 80% of your 550 free dyno hours for May 2021. The following steps can help you keep your app running smoothly.
eulerscheZahl: when my puzzle search gets more popular, it will be unreachable at the end of the month soon
MSmits: from people visiting?
MSmits: ah
MSmits: we'll just puzzle first half of the month
eulerscheZahl: by default your freely hosted website is offline. when someone wants to visit it, the server starts it and keeps it running until there are 30min without a request
MSmits: Oh I see
eulerscheZahl: you can keep it running for maybe 23 days straight each month. then it gets suspended and you have to pay
struct: msmits please dont resubmit
MSmits: ok not for a while then
struct: :p
MSmits: I had to turn off my meta mcts
MSmits: too hot here
eulerscheZahl: :D
eulerscheZahl: my room is hot as well :(
eulerscheZahl: i'm sweating
struct: its raining here :(
DomiKo: gz struct
MSmits: just running my endgame book for oware, it just uses 1 core and all my RAM
struct: thanks DomiKo
DomiKo: I wish it was raninig ;(
eulerscheZahl: it somewhat is. looking at the global leaderboard, i'm dropping :P
MSmits: when i turned off meta mcts, one temp sensor went from 74 C to 60 C
eulerscheZahl: I am the rain
DomiKo: euler 3rd :frowning:
struct: to many games euler
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/15ptfxq
my TODO list
eulerscheZahl: and search race
struct: if (struct) continue;
eulerscheZahl: i saw that reaction coming, sorry
DomiKo: so many games
struct: its fine lol
struct: I know you dont enjoy these type of games
MSmits: should be easy to do a standard minimax though euler and get some cp for some of these
DomiKo: copy paste MCTS and there you go
eulerscheZahl: but i'm fine with making them as I know they have fans. easier to get some players than for more complex games that take longer to create
struct: yeah, some people enjoy them
ArmySG91: hello
eulerscheZahl: i know that I can get a decent rank in just 1 day. not brilliant but easy 100 CP each
struct: Also its not easy to make an original game
eulerscheZahl: i just don't feel like it
MSmits: me neither, so many games out there i havent started
PatrickMcGinnisII: This is when i get in trouble...https://youtu.be/tanZP17n2ZQ
darkhorse64: try fireworks.
struct: after I finish connect 4 ill probably rest a bit
PatrickMcGinnisII: ^ eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: I see a Sokoban video. and a "Try YouTube Kids" recommendation
MSmits: the algorithm is always right
**eulerscheZahl slaps MSmits around a bit with a large fishbot
MSmits: :grin:
struct: wow very nice PatrickMcGinnisII
struct: I dont think I can create solutions for those types of puzzles
PatrickMcGinnisII: what's the name of the puzzle with the robot and the forcefields and switches, i can't find it
PatrickMcGinnisII: ?
struct: bender 4
DomiKo: its opti
PatrickMcGinnisII: ahh yes, thankyou... I thought maybe i could put elements of the sokoban solution into bender4
TheBatMan_TM: hey guys can anyone help me with this? https://sapphire-quokka-1i5clgk7.ws-us08.gitpod.io/?folder=vscode-remote%3A%2F%2Fsapphire-quokka-1i5clgk7.ws-us09.gitpod.io%3A443%2Fworkspace
Wontonimo: nice video PatrickMcGinnisII :thumbsup:
eulerscheZahl: both sokoban and Bender 4 can be solved with BFS
TheBatMan_TM: I am getting a CORS policy error, tried all the solutions online, but nothing seems to fi it
TheBatMan_TM: *fix not fi
eulerscheZahl: Bender was never meant to be hard to get 100% :(
TheBatMan_TM: can anyone help?
eulerscheZahl: and Sokoban was just because I was bored on a Sunday morning and didn't know what to do
PatrickMcGinnisII: well i get only 23%, timeouts and an infinite lopp 'cause my hash is broken
eulerscheZahl: where do you get that error TheBatMan_TM?
TheBatMan_TM: when i try to access my api (of my backend node.js server) using axios
TheBatMan_TM: eulerscheZahl Access to XMLHttpRequest at 'https://5000-sapphire-quokka-1i5clgk7.ws-us09.gitpod.io/posts/' from origin 'https://3000-sapphire-quokka-1i5clgk7.ws-us08.gitpod.io' has been blocked by CORS policy: No 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the requested resource.
Marchete: hmm I think I have a bug...
TheBatMan_TM: eulerscheZahl that was the error
eulerscheZahl: what's that 3000 and 5000?
Marchete: I have 27 positions and I think I'm saving from 0 to 27 score...
eulerscheZahl: this is probably the problem: different domains
eulerscheZahl: wait, even more difference
eulerscheZahl: us08 and us09
TheBatMan_TM: yeah, i tried { crossDomain: true } in the axios call but still doesn't work
TheBatMan_TM: use08 and us09?
eulerscheZahl: us, not use
TheBatMan_TM: ok what is that?
eulerscheZahl: different hosting regions. can't you just put it on the same domain?
TheBatMan_TM: gitpod.io creates the domains
TheBatMan_TM: when i run the servers, it opens it in those links
eulerscheZahl: ok, then let's just say I don't know, thus i'm out
TheBatMan_TM: alr
TheBatMan_TM: this might all work, if i code locally, but currently i can't lol
Wontonimo: did you make another improvement struct ? your bot is a much higher in trueskill now
struct: yes I changed 1 number
Mr_BlueBird: hola, hi!
struct: dont know if its an improvement or rps
Wontonimo: hey Mr_BlueBird, have you tried improving your Coders Strikes Back bot?
Mr_BlueBird: nah
Wontonimo: ok
Westicles: looks like the code golf recompute has started
Westicles: working its way through temperatures first
eulerscheZahl: my Scala and Swift solutions died
Westicles: ruby -e?
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/005b5711-aba1-41b8-9e73-fe878b0035c6
eulerscheZahl: just the regular language updates
JS53: hi, i am new here
JakubBiskup: hello
JS53: hi
Wontonimo: hey new people, try some of the bot competitions https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming
Mr_BlueBird: Welcome, JS53
struct: join connect 4 I need the points
struct: :)
HAPEEE: Hi im also new here
Wontonimo: yes, join https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/connect-4
Mr_BlueBird: Welcome, HAPEEE
Mr_BlueBird: joined?
Mr_BlueBird: joined!
Mr_BlueBird: now next?
Westicles: Anyone know the JS 26 character encode besides dbd r and pardoin? Seems a little mysterious
Mr_BlueBird: how can i won c4?
Mr_BlueBird: c4 = connect 4
struct: connect 4
Mr_BlueBird: yea!
Westicles: seems to be something different than eval(unescape(escape...
theypaidno: halo
imathwee: level 7
BlaiseEbuth: :o Almost the same level than euler! If you multiply yours by 7.8...
KiwiTae: makes us feel old
Westicles: something like eval(new Buffer("潦⡲㵩","ucs2"))
KiwiTae: u tried "潦⡲㵩".getBytes("UTF-16")?
Westicles: TypeError: "潦⡲㵩".getBytes is not a function
Smelty: lmao
KiwiTae: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
TeachMeSenpai: (>^.^)>
jacek: ._.
King_Coda: what the heeeeelllllllllll u say? :fearful:
Brejchys: how long does it take to create a working game?
struct: with cg sdk?
AntiSquid: depends on the game regardless
Wontonimo: it takes 11, sometimes 8, to make a working game
Nerchio: yes
Coco_EC: 11 what ? bananas ?
peannut: uwu
linjoehan: 11 years!
iskaa02: bananas
struct: that long?
linjoehan: if your lucky.
linjoehan: first you have to learn how to walk then talk then code.
iskaa02: :stuck_out_tongue:
jacek: waka waka
General_Imaginaer: :cherries:
opitt: :zzz:
PatrickMcGinnisII: jacek does that make me the cookie monster?
TobiasA: what does waka waka mean in your language?
General_Imaginaer: its the pacman sound
TobiasA: oh
PatrickMcGinnisII: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8uY79zQeak
TobiasA: i was interpreting it in another way
General_Imaginaer: sometime its something shakira sings
jacek: huh
General_Imaginaer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12C9Ee76GKs
jacek: :v
PatrickMcGinnisII: Sesame Street ... Fozzie Bear...it's his shtik
TobiasA: in my country it is a slang said to someone who always moving about
TobiasA: :grin:
jacek: linjoehan hows your tetris GA? improved overnight?
struct: darkhorse passed me again :(
darkhorse64: run is far from over
struct: 10 games as p1
struct: :p
jacek: shouldnt matter. 1 or 7 are balanced eh
struct: it matters
Marchete: connect 4?
struct: yes
struct: on meta it might show 53%
struct: but with mcts it might be hard to get close to that number
struct: he wins vs p2 against me, I win as p2 against him
darkhorse64: I have the gut feeling that the initiative is important
Smelty: :( i can't even make a minimax connect 4
jacek: so, always steal balanced moves?
struct: yes
darkhorse64: yes
struct: if you steal all balanced
struct: you will probably win more
darkhorse64: :innocent:
struct: lets see if I can track the bug
struct: I have a bit of time
PatrickMcGinnisII: connect 12 https://www.codingame.com/replay/564293804
darkhorse64: wow !
struct: lol
jacek: good testcase for wincheck code
MSmits: 1 or 7 is fairly balanced, but currently it seems p2 has some uncounterable branches, so it may end up being a win for p2
MSmits: but I thought this before. Could be some narrow branches that make it a draw anyways, or a win for p1 who knows. But for know looks better for p2
MSmits: for now
MSmits: https://imgur.com/a/y2MTrj3
MSmits: this is what best play gives in my meta mcts. See how p1's best reply only has 40% WR
MSmits: doesnt get better with depth, p2 beats all branches here for now
struct: yeah
struct: this is what i meant by saying it was hard to get close to 53%
MSmits: 15 million of my 45 million games are in a branch that's never visited anymore
MSmits: this branch had a lot of value for p1
MSmits: so my 53% average is a bad estimate
MSmits: p2 took a different path that is much better
MSmits: when it found this, my bot started doing a lot better
MSmits: it's p2 reply move 3
MSmits: was doing 4 before
MSmits: anyways, you can just run games vs me as p2 and you'll see it do this move
MSmits: https://imgur.com/a/6RqVsfg
MSmits: you can see how much better move 3 is compared to 4 and how much time my meta mcts wasted in it
struct: oh my
struct: its so bugged
struct: my new expansion :D
struct: Its trying to make opponent win
MSmits: lol
MSmits: expansion and random playout are where the creativity happens in mcts
MSmits: until it's EPT then it's expansion and eval
MSmits: unless
struct: oh my
struct: I think I have one more bug on the current submission
struct: or arena versioin
YurkovAS: is it possible to _mm512_reduce_and_epi64 but for m256i?
struct: no
struct: I do this
struct: result_mask = _mm256_or_si256(result_mask, _mm256_permute4x64_epi64(result_mask, _MM_SHUFFLE(0, 1, 2, 3)));
result_mask = _mm256_or_si256(result_mask, _mm256_permute4x64_epi64(result_mask, _MM_SHUFFLE(2, 3, 0, 1)));
return *(uint64_t*)(&result_mask);
struct: for or
YurkovAS: thanks!
struct: what are you trying to do YurkovAS?
YurkovAS: avx for c4
struct: and all elements in __m256i?
struct: but which operation are you trying to do
YurkovAS: i'm need "and" for 4 int64
YurkovAS: (board & (board << 9) & (board << 18) & (board << 27)
struct: but and 4 ints with another 4 ints?
struct: _mm256_and_si256(board, _mm256_sllv_epi64(board, first_Shift));
YurkovAS: _mm256_sllv_epi64 - shift left
and you need "and" this value (4 x int64)
struct: yeah
struct: you and the current value with the shifted value
YurkovAS: struct thanks!
now i'm understand
struct: np
struct: to test if any bit is set
struct: out of all 4 ints
struct: after all shifts are done
struct: you can also do this
struct: return !_mm256_testz_si256(temp, temp);
YurkovAS: :thumbsup:
ItIsSoLo: hey everyone
Wontonimo: hello and سلام
ItIsSoLo: و سلام مجدد
Wontonimo: sorry, i don't speak Farsi but my wife does.
Wontonimo: and, we have to keep it English here
ItIsSoLo: it's very nice to meet u anyway xD
ItIsSoLo: Oh I just joined the community I didn't know
Wontonimo: yeah, my bad for starting it :D
Wontonimo: hey, Welcome !
Wontonimo: what brought you here?
ItIsSoLo: Thanks!
ItIsSoLo: I like games a lot and codes even more
ItIsSoLo: Combination of them? IT'S AWESOME
Wontonimo: there is lots here, there is clash of code (which you've probably already seen), and puzzles (called practice), and compete (bot battles, my favorite!)
ItIsSoLo: I've been coding for less than a month, I think I have a long road in front of me.
ZarthaxX: and frustration
ZarthaxX: lots of that
struct: no frustrations
struct: unless you play connect 4
ZarthaxX: :P
ItIsSoLo: xD
Wontonimo: do you know about for loops and while loops ?
ItIsSoLo: yeah I've learned basics
Wontonimo: okay, how about data structures like lists, and hash maps (also called associative arrays)
ItIsSoLo: not completely
ItIsSoLo: I only know what they are, just the surface.
Wontonimo: This site may be advanced for your abilities. Feel free to stick around.
Wontonimo: do anyone have any suggestions of other sites? struct ZarthaxX ?
ItIsSoLo: I'm not going to let my lack of ability let me down. :grin:
struct: not really, i mainly use this one
struct: Its been a long time since i had to use a begginer website
Wontonimo: i just thought one of you would remember from previous conversations, not that you've used one
Wontonimo: maybe codecademy.com , maybe khanacademy.org
Wontonimo: but don't pay anyone! There are 100's of free sites with good resources
ItIsSoLo: what abilities do I need for competing here?
DehyDev: i a mroblox developer
Wontonimo: sorry for the long delay. you need to be patient with yourself
Wontonimo: and keep at it a little every day for a very long time
joooy: b
I8achopstick: h
Wontonimo: i
KamadoTanjiro: hi
Westicles: Ha, 15 of my temperature golfs went from 100% to 0%
DaNinja: how come? system calls changed?
IdiddidI: halo
