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Westicles: Are you puissant?

Default avatar.png Neshomago: Hi everyone!

Default avatar.png MightMeyan: Hi

Default avatar.png Chinnapat1231: Hello

Default avatar.png MightMeyan: wanna play

Default avatar.png Chinnapat1231: :thumbsup_tone1:

jacek: good morning

PatrickMcGinnisII: uh oh

jacek: :innocent:

PatrickMcGinnisII: climbing night if war, man its slow

PatrickMcGinnisII: Night Of War

PatrickMcGinnisII: gheesh, didn't make it

PatrickMcGinnisII: lost 9 out of 81 matches...smh

PatrickMcGinnisII: oh well, only random bot

PatrickMcGinnisII: goodnight

Alex-1: hii

Default avatar.png TheIceMoustache_35fe: hi

Default avatar.png TheIceMoustache_35fe: hi

Default avatar.png TheIceMoustache_35fe: hi

multii: hiihhihih

BrainNotFoundException: hi

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: low

BrainNotFoundException: lol

Alex-1: what new

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: nothing, just coding xd

multii: lol

Alex-1: are u mad

Alex-1: Ordonateur

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: :sunglasses:

Alex-1: :dizzy_face:

Marchete: jacek, my UCT = jacekValue + C * sqrt(log(parent visits) / visits)

Marchete: first goes in range [-1.1 .. 1.1]

Marchete: but the second goes [0.0 .. 4.53]

Marchete: these are good ranges?

Marchete: C = 1.5

Marchete: my bot hardly win any real bot

Marchete: and the eval is just reused from another bot, and tanh(score*factor)

Marchete: to be in range 1.0

Marchete: I mean, I'm doing the MCTS part, not the NN

Marchete: so I just give heuristic eval

ThinhMP: clsh of code now

ThinhMP: clash of code now

BrainNotFoundException: :ok_hand:

VinhDaDen: hello guys

jacek: Marchete where 4.53 does come form

Marchete: max value seen from

Marchete: C * sqrt(log(parent visits) / visits)

Marchete: C = 1.5 FPU=0.5

Marchete: casually the same values of your playground

jacek: ah well the exploration can go infinity theoretically

Marchete: I'm not sure it explores well

jacek: eval reused from another bot, minimax bot?

Marchete: sometimes when I try to reuse the tree I find that the enemy move is not even expanded...

Marchete: yes

Marchete: minimax

Marchete: NEW ROOOT AT BLOCK:16 INDEXNODE:925 FOUND. Visits:336/18183 = 1%

Marchete: these 336 visits are mostly because I'm forcing it at depth=1

jacek: seems odd

Marchete: these mean that the bot is completely ignoring the best move of the enemy

MysteryCoder456: print("hello world")

Marchete: like completely

jacek: what are the eval values. do you backpropagate properly

jacek: and you do proper eval for the current player?

jacek: my NN is for 1st player, so 2nd player will take the minus of it

Marchete: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1a0f6084-47f0-4ee9-8e18-aba638049fd4

Marchete: maybe the curr->jacekValue = (curr->playerID != n->playerID) ? -best : best;

Marchete: that's because I wanted it to be reusable for smitsimax

Marchete: smitsi-jacek-max

Marchete: I know I know

Marchete: but I can try with a forced -best always

jacek: hmm best = best value of children?

Marchete: best = max(children_value)

jacek: so parent should have -best

Marchete: yes, I'm doing that

Marchete: max(children_value)

Marchete: then parent = -max(children_value)

Marchete: curr->jacekValue = (curr->playerID != n->playerID) ? -best : best;

Marchete: if you assume playerID != child->playerID

Marchete: that is always the case on MCTS

Marchete: and I do the same action all the way up

jacek: how about putting eval first. is this good eval with good sign?

Marchete: probably not

Marchete: first move gives:

Marchete: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/848b7b6c-3e0f-4329-adac-0214a4e2dea9

Marchete: JacekAVG = move's eval value + log(move's visits)

Marchete: i.e. "Best" score found on move 1, a -0.13

Marchete: but best JacekAVG is move 5

Marchete: I don't understand why move 1 isn't explored more if it has the best score

jacek: or move when it has small visits

jacek: 2

Marchete: yes, 3 and 4 are very similar

Marchete: I can't see why exploring is that weird

Marchete: I need to recheck the whole thing

jacek: how does it compare against minimax? at the very least it should win some of the games even if C or FPU are not optimized

Marchete: I think explore isn't working correctly, it just always goes to Depth 23

Marchete: wasn't expecting that deep

Marchete: it hardly wins a player at 80th place

jacek: actually it can go that deep

Marchete: always depth 23

jacek: but i believe you have bug somewhere, how does selection look like

Marchete: I don't have vector<> but firstchild index and childcount

Marchete: similar to Smits

Marchete: so I first recover a pointer to the first child and then do the loop

Marchete: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3641a5f4-27ae-4e2a-b32c-77331a7159e7

Marchete: const float CONSTANT_C = 1.5; const float CONSTANT_FPU = 0.5;

Marchete: SQRT_LOG[i] = /*SMIT_K_EXPLORATION * */sqrt(log((double)i)); INV_SQRT[i] = 1.0 / sqrt((double)i);

Marchete: SQRT_LOG and INV_SQRT are cached values

Marchete: to speed up

Marchete: it was bad pasted

Marchete: INV_SQRT[i] = 1.0 / sqrt((double)i);

Marchete: SQRT_LOG[i] = sqrt(log((double)i));

jacek: i get it. hmm i see no problem in selection

Marchete: it was the similar to those I use in other games

Marchete: I was thinking that it's a problem of magnitude between UCT formula

Marchete: if I have a low exploration value it won't explore enough

Marchete: I'll look more into it, these things are hard to tune

Marchete: most literature just says "Pick a good C"

Marchete: like, OK I get it, but that doesn't help

jacek: try uping FPU to 10, should be less blind

Marchete: OK

Marchete: in many turns the tree reuse is saying I'm reusing like 70% of the visits (so I was predicting the enemy fairly good)

Marchete: but on the next turn it goes to 1%

Marchete: like I'm not seeing the enemy at all

Marchete: your code should be like normal MCTS

Marchete: but I don't know where I'm having my bugs

Default avatar.png actualCoderTrevor: For code golf can I submit more than once? I've never done one.

jacek: codegolf puzzle?

Default avatar.png actualCoderTrevor: I think so. I'm doing Chuck Norris.

jacek: yes

Default avatar.png actualCoderTrevor: Thanks :)

jacek: you can submit any time, and the score will be of shortest submited code

Default avatar.png actualCoderTrevor: Cool, that's what I thought but I wanted to be sure. Thanks again! :)

multii: hji

multii: hi

jacek: good morning

Thyl: good morning

Default avatar.png Distilled-Water: guten tag

AntiSquid: #de

jacek: :scream:

souta_1326: Is it possible to get 1st place in CoC and have my score go down?

Default avatar.png Distilled-Water: idk

Default avatar.png Distilled-Water: were you on ur own

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: test it ? (keep your good code but remove some score optimization part and see if your score on leaderboard decrease or not)

Alex-1: hii world

souta_1326: It's already happened

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: well... 1) you aren't alone ;p and I read somewhere that if you stop doing CoC for a few day then your rank goes down but for the score itself...

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: (and 2)* ;p)

souta_1326: that was about ten minutes ago i dont think it's from neglect

souta_1326: i play it yestarday too

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: Hum, quite weird. maybe your "ennemies" are quite activ ? x)

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: (try discord, maybe a dev will know why ^^')

souta_1326: I've noticed something

souta_1326: 0% except for me

Alex-1: can anybody help me with Coder Strike Back wood 1 to bronze

JordyH: What's your question Alex?

Alex-1: yeah it says change the thrust value with boost keyword when i do it it not works

Alex-1: JordyH

JordyH: you kmow you can only use it once?

Alex-1: yeah

Alex-1: but i cant see anywhere in the game

JordyH: it's been 5 years since the contest so I have to take a good look at my code...

Alex-1: ohh

JordyH: I see i used the boost in the first turn every game to get going

struct: you print the word boost

struct: console.out("1000 1421 BOOST")

struct: instead of 100

Alex-1: okk

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: before gold you can just have a speed manage with acceleration and it's good

**BrainNotFoundException slaps you around a bit with a large fishbot

ParallaxWave: :a:

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: next_cp(x/y) - my_pod(x/y)_speed*3 for the pos to move

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: and you stay at 100 power

Alex-1: :confused:

BrainNotFoundException: ok

Asat49: gghjjg

Default avatar.png nan_00: hi ,I'm a new member

jacek: hi, a new member

Default avatar.png Gorg212: Hi

Default avatar.png LaiMo2082: Hello people! New member here

Default avatar.png sonic1991: hey

Default avatar.png sonic1991: I cant remember how it is called in ruby. when Im checking if value is one of defined values. something like %(w s c). i dont know how it is called. Anyone ? cause o cant find it

jacek: ternary?

jacek: indexOf?

Default avatar.png sonic1991: nah I founded

Default avatar.png sonic1991: %w(abc def xyz)

BhoO: :o

Default avatar.png sonic1991: it creates array of strings

Default avatar.png sonic1991: %i of integers

Default avatar.png sonic1991: the way of creating arrays

BhoO: like group them abc first element, ..

Default avatar.png sonic1991: https://simpleror.wordpress.com/2009/03/15/q-q-w-w-x-r-s/

Default avatar.png sonic1991: its just a way of creating array

Default avatar.png sonic1991: instead of using quotation for example

BhoO: i see, i think u love code golf

Default avatar.png sonic1991: :D

Default avatar.png sonic1991: you know there are many useful things that make things way faster

Default avatar.png sonic1991: to type them

Default avatar.png sonic1991: ;]

BhoO: yeah :D


Default avatar.png Armia_Evil: :chocolate_bar::lollipop::candy:

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: it is possible to get an iterator from a "int tab[]" in C++ ?

struct: begin(tab) ?

struct: What are you trying to do?

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: using binarySearch standard library on a tab (changing to vector cost too much ^^')

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: (tryed begin(tab) but it don't like it ^^')

struct: #include <iterator>

Astrobytes: sort(arr, arr + arr_size, func);

Astrobytes: At least I think that's what you're asking.

jacek: owarebytes

Astrobytes: *sort/search/whatever std method

Astrobytes: lol jacek

jacek: i dont want to search for std

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: I'm confused, what struct said work if I create the tab before the call but not if the tab came from a function call O_o

jacek: huh

struct: Can you show the code?

struct: Im a bit confused

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/63eae47f-272a-4a39-8e07-79d28338cb6d

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: the test cout work but the exist one bug on begin/end saying there is no matching to those function ><'

multii: yo

Astrobytes: binary_search(tab, tab + tab_size, k)

Astrobytes: or, y'know, use std::array

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: It work but I completely don't understand why lol

struct: https://tech.io/snippet/Fl2dcRp

Astrobytes: it's a C style array, you're giving it the starting address of the memory, and the ending address. This is analogous to begin() and end()

struct: you need to include the files needed

struct: binary_search requires algorithm

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: (I just skipped some include yeah but that part was also working for me, the error was on the other call in the class)

struct: I think its because the function doesnt know the size of the array you are passing

struct: so it cant use the iterators

struct: Im not sure though

struct: oh wait

struct: yeap

struct: https://tech.io/snippet/hBkT6to

struct: This code compiles

Alex-1: yeah it is nice

Astrobytes: so does: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/f3b08477-0685-4bbb-bfdb-8ab4bc425f00

struct: astro solution is better

Astrobytes: tbh I tend to keep iterators and std things for std containers only, that way I know what I'm looking at when I read my code again later

Astrobytes: I mean, I'll still use sorts and whatnot from <algorithm> but I try to keep it obvious when I'm dealing with a C-style array vs a std container

Default avatar.png Ordonnateur: Ok, thank you for the debug struct :)

Default avatar.png Merxcury: yoo who's up

ThinhMP: clash of code nơ

ThinhMP: clash of code now

jacek: now?

Default avatar.png kresteodymium: hello world

Nektar24: hello kresteodymium

Default avatar.png kresteodymium: hello @Nektar24

Default avatar.png khanhjunior: Vietnam no 1

Default avatar.png khanhjunior: PARACEL,SPRATLY BELONG TO VIET NAM.

Default avatar.png kresteodymium: cul

jacek: :thinking:

Default avatar.png kresteodymium: why was i blocked

Default avatar.png kresteodymium: :(

Default avatar.png kresteodymium: wut did i do :(

BlaiseEbuth: (╯°□°)╯︵ ʞǝɔɐɾ

Default avatar.png kresteodymium: lol

Default avatar.png kresteodymium: what does that mean

BlaiseEbuth: You triggered the kindergarten language filter, that's all.

Default avatar.png kresteodymium: lol

Default avatar.png kresteodymium: *cool

struct: jacek

struct: On chess for bishop moves do you just do use a lookup to generate the moves?

BlaiseEbuth: jacekノ( º _ ºノ)

struct: do you use*

jacek: hmm

jacek: no lookups

jacek: more like 'standard' bitboard approach https://rhysre.net/fast-chess-move-generation-with-magic-bitboards.html

jacek: or classical

jacek: though i have some lookups for knight moves and king checks

struct: thanks

BlaiseEbuth: :thumbsup:

jacek: lookups... something MSmits might enjoy

BlaiseEbuth: ʞǝɔ︵ \(°□°)/ ︵ɐɾ

jacek: learning ascii art?

Pesky_typos: Sup ppl

BlaiseEbuth: ʞǝɔ ja/(^.^/)

Pesky_typos: :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Smelty: o.O

BlaiseEbuth: (╯°□°)╯︵ O°o

Smelty: e

             |

ʎʇl︵ \(°□°)/ ︵ɯS

Smelty: ʎʇlǝ︵ \(°□°)/ ︵ɯS

jacek: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Smelty: (°͡ ʖ͜ °͡ )

Smelty: hmm

**Smelty says that he is in two pieces: ʎʇl & ǝɯS

**Smelty dies from being in two pieces

ShannonNorris97: Wow, managed to figure out alpha-beta pruning, and it's amazing!

ShannonNorris97: Such a significant jump in the depths that it can handle

Astrobytes: Ah nice one :)

Astrobytes: It's a useful little algo alright

ShannonNorris97: Yeah I dedicated a bunch of time to better understand minimax and learn about alpha-beta pruning, and I found it really interesting. I think last time I looked at it I kinda rushed, so I took my time to appreciate it a bit more this time. It's so clever

ShannonNorris97: ^ after your guys recommendation to look at it

KiwiTae: MadKnight o/

KiwiTae: sup ya all :D

Astrobytes: hey kiwo

Astrobytes: ShannonNorris97: awesome, it really is worth the extra time to study it, when the concept is embedded in your mind you have a lot more freedom with it

Illedan: Yo

Astrobytes: hey Illedan

Illedan: zup?

jacek: alpha beta pruning eh

Illedan: Where?

Astrobytes: Not a lot, chat seems quiet. Just been tweaking parameters for a few hours as per usual :P

Illedan: Which game?

Astrobytes: Me? 3, BR, SR and Oware

jacek: dunno. ShannonNorris97 is it used anywhere?

Illedan: 3 games at once :D

jacek: oh someone pushed me in checkers

Astrobytes: Yep. And I'm playing morpion solitaire at the same time

PatrickMcGinnisII: tweekers :P

Astrobytes: lol, hey Patrick

jacek: jacekmax is so last week

PatrickMcGinnisII: How do ya'll stay sane? :/

jacek: stay?

Astrobytes: Who said we are?

PatrickMcGinnisII: Maybe an avatar change is in order

jacek: rotation?

struct: im still stuck in csb

KiwiTae: stuck top 10? ><

struct: I wish

struct: I need to finish my sim

Astrobytes: The changes you were making the other day didn't work then?

struct: I never finished the avx thing

PatrickMcGinnisII: One of these days I'll pick your brains about optimizations using C and Java on CG.... then we can all sit on the crazy train

struct: and no I havent

struct: it was something related to mcts

Astrobytes: ah ok

jacek: crazy train of PHP?

Astrobytes: PatrickMcGinnisII: we look forward to the day :D

jxrinnn: ok

PatrickMcGinnisII: I AM insane

PatrickMcGinnisII: :coffee:

AntiSquid: MSmits online? have question @_@

AntiSquid: Automaton2000 ping mcsmitz

Automaton2000: why do you even know the gametype. di we?

jacek: Yavalath sucks!

jacek: doesnt work? o.O

struct: really?

Astrobytes: No, he's trying to summon MSmits

struct: I see you are trying to summon him

Astrobytes: lol

jacek: maybe he uses all cores for metamcts and cant load chat

Zenoscave: Try #3: Hello cheat

Zenoscave: *chat

Zenoscave: What's the optimal yavalath move?

jacek: why, 4 4 of course

Zenoscave: Jacek ssssh it's a MSmits summon

Astrobytes: "hello cheat" :rofl:

PatrickMcGinnisII: :radioactive::mega:

jacek: sounds a good use for this template https://i.imgflip.com/1kuk8y.jpg

Zenoscave: I lost my nest C4L in param-change-submit-frenzy

Zenoscave: Best**

Astrobytes: Less cheating more nest C4L bots!

Zenoscave: Astro hush, At least my keyboard doesn't duplicate keys anymore

Astrobytes: Yes, did something similar in Oware earlier :D

Astrobytes: hehehe

Zenoscave: Was anyone here for that? I think tobou would remember

Astrobytes: struct: do you remember?

Zenoscave: who's struct?

Astrobytes: tobou

Zenoscave: no that's tobou

struct: remember what?

BlaiseEbuth: Pew pew!

Zenoscave: When I couldn't type in chat because keys would get stuck and repeat constantly

Zenoscave: Blaise PEWPEW to you

BlaiseEbuth: o/

struct: no

Astrobytes: Zenoscave: https://github.com/MultiStruct/proof/blob/master/proof.txt

Zenoscave: ø/

Zenoscave: Provesr nothing Astrobytes

MSmits: it proves tobou is struct if they asked tobou to do it and it changed structs gith

jacek: :tada:

AntiSquid: ah mcsmitz!!

MSmits: AntiSquidz!

Zenoscave: https://github.com/LSmith-Zenoscave/proof/blob/main/proof.txt

Astrobytes: lol, you knob :D

jacek: Zenoscave you have PR

Zenoscave: One sec will merge shortly

Zenoscave: Astro you use keybase?

Astrobytes: nope

Zenoscave: hmmm interesting. Also, I can't accept that PR. I'm not msmits

Zenoscave: https://gist.github.com/astrobyte/1b3f0ca8de1e8524a63cbc84910f1935

Zenoscave: is your gh name not astrobyte?

Astrobytes: ehhhh no

MSmits: Zenoscave, i know a good test

struct: zeno its what msmits said

MSmits: what is the species of your father

Astrobytes: Penguin.

MSmits: now you spoiled it

MSmits: i was trying to test zeno

Astrobytes: Oh

Astrobytes: No that's not mine

Zenoscave: interesting

Zenoscave: similar names

Smelty: o . O

jacek: oh my

struct: o.o

Zenoscave: O.O

Zenoscave: 0.1.0

ShannonNorris97: How do you guys usually settle on a suitable depth for minimax?

Astrobytes: Iterative deepening usually. IT depends.

BlaiseEbuth: (╯°□°)╯︵ ǝʌɐɔsouǝZ

jacek: iterative deepening, so it depends on time

ShannonNorris97: Oh cool, I've not heard of that before. I'll do some digging

Astrobytes: It's not complicated

jacek: you have to know time for minimax(n-1) is negligible in comparison to minimax(n)

ShannonNorris97: oh okay, so it's based on the assumption that every time minimax is run it takes the same amount of time, regardless of depth?

Astrobytes: No, that depth of n-1 is negligible time-wise compared to n

jacek: you run in loop minimax(0), minimax(1), minimax(2)... until time's up

ShannonNorris97: okay, so what does n represent in that, if not depth?

Astrobytes: n is depth

ShannonNorris97: oh I think I just got what you meant

jacek: people have problem that why instead of using minimax(6) you have to loop throught minimax(0)... minimax(5)

jacek: it may seem it wastes time, but it does not

ShannonNorris97: No that does sound interesting, so you go to whatever point you can, rather than running out of time trying to force a particular depth

Astrobytes: The beauty of iterative deepening is that you can order the moves to prioritise the best move from the n-1 depth at n depth (amongst many other things)

Zenoscave: Look into history heuristics and killer moves too

ShannonNorris97: Ah I see, I reckon I'm gonna save that one for tomorrow. But as always, I appreciate the help and I'll be sure to look into it :)

ShannonNorris97: I'll look at those too Zenoscave, thank you

Zenoscave: https://www.chessprogramming.org/Minimax This is a good start

jacek: so youre normal minimax is working now?

ShannonNorris97: yeah it was doing well earlier. Made it to 80th place or something, but messed it up just now making it more complicated. Just restoring the old version now to amend it from that point. But yeah it's got alpha-beta pruning and everything and does well in the games :)

jacek: :+1:

Astrobytes: Good stuff!

PatrickMcGinnisII: or you can estimate how many nodes you have time to explore and you can stop in the middle of a certain depth without a time call. Oh god, I'm insane...but php time call is too expensive, everything is too expensive in php

Default avatar.png TheDictator: jag suna suna lage

Zenoscave: Then don't use php

PatrickMcGinnisII: never heard that b4. :P

Astrobytes: Soon, soon Patrick, the C is calling you

PatrickMcGinnisII: yea, with a megaphone :mega: it's just a catch-22 for me...i did it for so many years

Astrobytes: And now is the time that you need to call upon those skills ;)

PatrickMcGinnisII: finished master of mayhem puzzle just now

PatrickMcGinnisII: I should post it, just for eveyone to see the insanity

PatrickMcGinnisII: and i didn't use regex

Astrobytes: potw is it?

Astrobytes: oh, just a new one

PatrickMcGinnisII: i dunno...yea new 1

Astrobytes: haven't looked at it tbh

Westicles: Well, you only used 58 dollar signs

Westicles: Pretty concise as these things go

PatrickMcGinnisII: i just counted them, yup 58

Astrobytes: Hah. PHP eh

BlaiseEbuth: :money_mouth:

PatrickMcGinnisII: how did Westicles get the exact number ? O.o

Westicles: You published it

Astrobytes: Looked at your code presumably

BlaiseEbuth: :expressionless:

PatrickMcGinnisII: but i thought you had to solve it in that lang. to see others solutions?

PatrickMcGinnisII: is it a lvl 40 thing?

PatrickMcGinnisII: hmmm

BlaiseEbuth: :grin:

Westicles: I solve everything in every language, so I see everything

Zenoscave: That's... time consuming westicles

PatrickMcGinnisII: but i don't see your solution

jacek: he cheats

PatrickMcGinnisII: is it private er sumtin

BlaiseEbuth: Yes, his bot is very busy. :rofl:

Zenoscave: how can you bot if there's no solutions yet

Zenoscave: Maybe the default answer but every lang?

BlaiseEbuth: There's, in the contribution section

Zenoscave: So every lang that someone else has done . got it

BlaiseEbuth: Not so difficult to transpile a solution in others languages

Zenoscave: Perhaps of similar paradigms

Zenoscave: I'd love to see a js -> Prolog transpiler

BlaiseEbuth: No prolog on cg

Zenoscave: true :thinking:

Westicles: Zenoscave, just system calls like this

Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/5800a36c655f42f53885c128d09eaed15f7f

Zenoscave: Westicles that's another approach haha

PatrickMcGinnisII: some contribution solution codes kinda suck or don't even translate well if at all

PatrickMcGinnisII: but yea a system call takes care of that i guess

MSmits: a transpiler translates source code from one language into another?

Zenoscave: yes MSmits

Zenoscave: Typescript -> JS is a transpilation

MSmits: ah ok, then i learned my new word for the day, just in time too

MSmits: it's a just in time transpiler

Zenoscave: Can tomorrow be JIT

PatrickMcGinnisII: I guess people do just submit the solution given in the contribution, but that's kinda janky

MSmits: i just did JIT

MSmits: another one

Zenoscave: AOT

MSmits: sure

Astrobytes: That's a grim way to solve a puzzle PatrickMcGinnisII

Zenoscave: or is it JAT?

Zenoscave: predictive JIT basically

MSmits: I dont know jat means steal in Dutch

Zenoscave: Just-ahead-of-time

MSmits: oh ok

Astrobytes: Defo related to stealing

jacek: AOT? anime

PatrickMcGinnisII: well, no one will say i cheat using php. :P

Zenoscave: AOT is the acronym officially according to the all-knowing Wikioedia

MSmits: seems pretty easy to do, i just take my othello counterbook and put it in a php bot :P

PatrickMcGinnisII: ok, show me..i need the help, rofl

MSmits: mmh might not work because it wont solve at ply 40+

Astrobytes: Wikioedia: Bringing wikis and wookies together

Zenoscave: Astrobytes. Do you ever miss a typo?

PatrickMcGinnisII: I've used decompilers b4, the token symbol tables suck

Astrobytes: Sometimes.

BlaiseEbuth: He is [CG]Typo

Astrobytes: I can be a little pedantic

Zenoscave: errantly ;)

jacek: Astrotybes

Zenoscave: astrotypes

PatrickMcGinnisII: don't make me logophobic

Astrobytes: AstroTypos

Astrobytes: Pedantrobytes

Zenoscave: PatrickMcGinnisII pentasyllabic is autological and autological is pentasyllabic

Astrobytes: ergo

Zenoscave: but is autological autological?

Astrobytes: By definition I think yes

Astrobytes: But this is a trap

Zenoscave: Ding. ding. ding

BlaiseEbuth: You make me crazy frog !

Zenoscave: frog?

Zenoscave: where's euler?

MSmits: do you mean he makes you a crazy frog or are you saying he is a frog that makes you crazy

Zenoscave: and he's a toad

Astrobytes: aringdingdingdingding yourself back to the fire and brimstone Beelzébuth

BlaiseEbuth: \o/

BlaiseEbuth: One has the ref

Astrobytes: I got it yep

Zenoscave: I refuse to think of axel f

Zenoscave: It haunts me

MSmits: axel foley?

BlaiseEbuth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPz2_T0t2Yo

Zenoscave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k85mRPqvMbE

MSmits: beverly hills cop?

BlaiseEbuth: Mine is better

Zenoscave: True

PatrickMcGinnisII: all your polyphallus adjuncts have made you fearful of hypertropic-hyphenation

Zenoscave: Oh yeah, PatrickMcGinnisII

Zenoscave: well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzxIWqLC4Bk

Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7CC2cJUku0

Westicles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIvy9nSlZf0

Astrobytes: ^best one of the lot

BlaiseEbuth: Astrobytes: This guy is so hot! I love his beard! :heart_eyes:

PatrickMcGinnisII: One of my bosses is demanding service

PatrickMcGinnisII: fk'in cat

MSmits: why do i keep clicking on this :poop:

MSmits: oww great, i was on my work account too

MSmits: so tomorrow when i watch a YT video with my students they are going to be wondering about my preferences again

Astrobytes: Could be worse, we could be posting GG Allin videos

MSmits: dont make it worse please :P

Astrobytes: I'll spare you GG doing jobbies on the stage

PatrickMcGinnisII: YT has new DUST episodes on tonight

Westicles: I'll spare you my favorite videos now, crows remove ticks

struct: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

PatrickMcGinnisII: my cats watch YT, squirrels and birds ... keeps them off the kb

Astrobytes: Hey, I actually watched those 5 videos after you posted about it Westicles. From the wallabies right?

Westicles: Yeah, those are awesome

Westicles: Had to clear my cookies, all I got after that was more tick videos and the dog ones are disgusting

Westicles: Er, more disgusting

Astrobytes: I thought it was very cool. I'm a big fan of the Corvids in general. I encourage magpies and crows to my garden with food. Just watching them stash it etc is so cool. They are ridiculously intelligent.

Astrobytes: Eh, I worked in Corfu for a year, and the biggest hedgehog I've ever seen decided to camp outside my patio door. I have never seen so many ticks.

Astrobytes: Wrapped it in a towel to pick it up and stuck it in a nearby bush. Didn't come back thankfully.

Westicles: A year in Corfu? That sounds like a great gig

Astrobytes: It was amazing

Astrobytes: Rough at times but on the whole, amazing.

BlaiseEbuth: Nap and ouzo...

Zenoscave: Did I read GG Allin

Astrobytes: 40 degrees C is a nice temperature. Being amused at naked people on the beach while you're going to work wearing a jumper at 7am and it's 30 degrees C is just worth it

Astrobytes: Yes Zenoscave

Zenoscave: Bite It You Scum

BlaiseEbuth: [CG]Allin

Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth: siesta or beers, or coffee (frappe naturally)

BlaiseEbuth: :yum:

Astrobytes: Zenoscave: heh heh

Astrobytes: argh, GG killed the chat

Kitkat260: why

Astrobytes: ...

struct: Astro still want to try the escape this week?

Astrobytes: Yeah, why not

Astrobytes: Should be fun

Kitkat260: yeah

struct: I think its the one from the trailer

Astrobytes: Didn't see it

Kitkat260: oh

struct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ixtzp5aVOI

struct: care its a bit loud

KarimGehad: Hey guys could you please check my new contribution and give a me a feedback : https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/65727f6e84eb41dc66c2cb9977036ccfbbcb

Astrobytes: well, the one out of all of the ones in there that we didn't do you mean struct? :)

struct: yeah :p

Astrobytes: Also I want French girls in or I'm not doing it :P

KarimGehad: 😂😂😂😂

struct: Not sure if tbali and Scarfield want to join

struct: Havent seen tbali around

Astrobytes: KarimGehad: Sorry, I don't clash so I won't comment on your contribution

KarimGehad: okkkk thank youuuu

Astrobytes: TBali was on discord, he responds to discord and forum pings, not usually in chat

Astrobytes: *webchat

struct: ah I see

Astrobytes: Scarfo should be up for it

struct: 8k registered so far

struct: on contest

Astrobytes: Which metric do they use? Signups? Actual submissions? Those who submit more than once?

struct: those who submit

struct: at least on the leaderboard

Astrobytes: Sorry, I feel a salty wave coming over me

Astrobytes: Anyway, at least the game will be cool

Astrobytes: Hopefully.

struct: maybe

Astrobytes: It better be decent otherwise I'm taking up snooker or something.

struct: snooker?

Astrobytes: pool with all the red balls and colour -wise pot scores

struct: I thought it was an expression sorry

Astrobytes: And a very large table

struct: I know what snooker is :p

Astrobytes: :D

struct: The bar I worked at had 1 snooker + 10 pool tables

Astrobytes: Nice. When I was cheffing, after work I used to frequent a bar with 10-12 snooker tables and 1 pool table :D

struct: pool is more popular here

Astrobytes: (It was a snooker club tbf)(

struct: I never played snooker though

struct: only pool

struct: I was decent at it

Astrobytes: I lie - there were 2 pool tables. Next to the bar. Snooker tables were closed off in the next room

Astrobytes: I like both. Snooker is way more heavy on tactics and strategies

struct: harder to pot too

Zenoscave: I suck at pool

Astrobytes: Always use that rest if you're struggling to make a shot, even in pool

Zenoscave: rest?

Zenoscave: the bank?

Astrobytes: The long spider

Zenoscave: oh that

Zenoscave: I just am not athletic in any fashion

Zenoscave: no hand-eye coordination

Astrobytes: Or the cross

struct: growth is exponential

Zenoscave: My coefficient is exponentially negative :P

struct: its very hard at the begining

Zenoscave: I used to play weekly for years

Zenoscave: never was good at all

struct: when you saw bad, how bad?

Astrobytes: I used to play every night. The problem was varying stages of inebriation

Zenoscave: I table scratched every game

Zenoscave: No inebriation to blame for me.

Astrobytes: The bartender also always seemed to be in the possession of some nice herbal refreshments.

Zenoscave: That's legal here, but alas, neither that.

Astrobytes: Those were some fun times I tell ya.

Astrobytes: I sound like an old man :older_man:

Zenoscave: Well. If it walks like a duck

Astrobytes: Rearrange the popular saying: off f**k you c**t cheeky :rofl:

Zenoscave: you should look into foaas

Zenoscave: :rofl:

struct: zeno are you going to join the contest?

Zenoscave: contest?

Astrobytes: hahaha I do know that one :D

struct: 8 may

Zenoscave: 6 may?

Zenoscave: yes.

struct: 6 yeah

Astrobytes: Yeah, 8th?!

struct: sorry is 6

Zenoscave: Already joined I thought

Astrobytes: Oh ffs, misinformation, fake news, LIES

struct: top 100 or delete

Astrobytes: Bottom 12 or create another account

Zenoscave: foaas.com/nugget/struct/zeno

struct: whats that?

Zenoscave: didn't want to actually link that

Zenoscave: just view it at your own leisure

struct: This is a reference to what?

Zenoscave: Just a REST API

Zenoscave: the best one

Zenoscave: and for the 100 or del

Astrobytes: I keep meaning to use it somehow and never get round to it. Perhaps soon is a good time, considering.

Zenoscave: I learned a new phrase or two from it. One being from Torvalds

Astrobytes: You have picked up a Linusism?

Zenoscave: devil's-c**t-head but in his native language

Astrobytes: ooh he's like Finnish?

Astrobytes: I think

Astrobytes: I don't know shit about Finnish. No one does. Except Finns.

Zenoscave: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Astrobytes: And Finntrolls.

Astrobytes: Oh perkeleen vittupää

Zenoscave: that'd be it.

Astrobytes: I see the Nordic thing, you could use fitta for c**t in Swedish

Zenoscave: I'm starting to realize why chat gets quiet when the two of us sign on

Astrobytes: :D

Astrobytes: I can silence the chat by myself thank you very much :P

Zenoscave: ;)

Astrobytes: You ain't wrong though :rofl:

Zenoscave: I had to check if this was world, or a PM

struct: I just code and chat at the same time

struct: I chat when I need to think

Zenoscave: Struct how'd you speak in our private chat?

Astrobytes: :grin:

struct: What do you mean?

struct: ah sorry

Zenoscave: No worries. Welcome, how goes it?

struct: mod privileges

struct: Just working on some cg stuff

Astrobytes: I just swear at the IDE and chat shit in the chat

Zenoscave: Astro how's your bot

Zenoscave: what cg stuff tobou?

struct: bot ai stuff

Astrobytes: kinda uncomfortable, my cushion just fell off my chair...

Zenoscave: that one was a reach even for me astro lol.

Scarfield: there is a new escape room? :)

Astrobytes: Bot

Astrobytes: Bottom

Astrobytes: Rear end

Zenoscave: I got it. Just still a reach

Astrobytes: Backside

struct: yes Scarfield

Astrobytes: Not a reacharound I hope

Zenoscave: Can't be arsed for that ;)

Astrobytes: Hah!

Astrobytes: Eyyy Scarfield

Astrobytes: Yes

Kitkat260: ??

Scarfield: hi hi :)

Astrobytes: Oh do one Kitkat260

Kitkat260: what

Zenoscave: an escape room

Kitkat260: yea

Kitkat260: its hard

Zenoscave: Which one are you trying?

Kitkat260: clash of code

Kitkat260: can u join

Astrobytes: Kitkat260: https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=do+one

Zenoscave: Astro bad mod!!!

Kitkat260: i am using my school laptop

Zenoscave: We should be welcoming newcomers no?

Astrobytes: Good mod. Kitkat here is a serial arse

Kitkat260: why

Zenoscave: So the thing between the chair and computer?

Astrobytes: Probably a Westicles troll

Zenoscave: you sure?

Kitkat260: ???


Astrobytes: He is, after all, Trollmaster Extraordinaire

Kitkat260: oh yea

Astrobytes: :rofl:

Zenoscave: Why choose go for your lang, Kitkat260?

Kitkat260: i do pyton 3

Astrobytes: phyton E is better

Kitkat260: ok

Kitkat260: thx

Zenoscave: So you don't use Go?

Zenoscave: It's an upcomming language. much more useful than Python. Not as friendly to learn though

Kitkat260: ok

Kitkat260: can u help me

Astrobytes: Og is better. IT's a little bit behind Go but it's ogdo.

Kitkat260: really

struct: sorry I dont know any languages

Astrobytes: Yes.

Kitkat260: ur confusing me

struct: I code in c++ but I barely know it

Kitkat260: :scream:

Zenoscave: hey AstroortsA. Do one ;)

Kitkat260: what bout haskell

Zenoscave: Ok def troll. No highschooler has heard of Haskel in america

struct: FoxPro

Kitkat260: ok

Scarfield: im up for the escape room btw 2-6 people

Kitkat260: yooo

Astrobytes: Venosknave: U do 1!

Astrobytes: ooooy Kitkat260

Zenoscave: Nice annegram ;)

Astrobytes: FoxPro!

struct: Anyone ever heard of it FoxPro?

Scarfield: VenusCave :thinking:

Astrobytes: Jeez FoxPro.

Zenoscave: Let's add Snobol in the mix

struct: Someone offered me a job to work with foxpro

Astrobytes: I worked in a company that STILL had a foxpro db

struct: in 2020

Astrobytes: this was only 2015-ish

Astrobytes: Legacy doesn't even touch it

struct: neither will I

Astrobytes: Honestly

Astrobytes: It's fucking TERRIBLE

Astrobytes: woops, f'ing

struct: I aint learning a language that is discontinued for over N ammount of years

Astrobytes: Yeah but you can use VISUAL foxpro :P

Zenoscave: Snobol.

struct: its also discontinued

Astrobytes: Was that ever actually used tho Zeno?

struct: Next time they will ask me if I want to use joomla

Zenoscave: Some Basic Ada stuff used Snobol for macro editing

Astrobytes: I will name and shame the company that still maintained FoxPro based stoick management software and they are called OrderWise.

Zenoscave: Had a teacher in the Defense realm during that time

Astrobytes: *stock

Kitkat260: astro

Astrobytes: turf

Zenoscave: plane

Astrobytes: field

Zenoscave: nomical

therealbeef: nomy

Zenoscave: nomicon

therealbeef: logy

Zenoscave: bytes

Astrobytes: bits

Zenoscave: I win

Astrobytes: how?

Zenoscave: I said Astrobytes

Zenoscave: that's how.

Astrobytes: :rofl:

Astrobytes: Zenosgame

Zenoscave: eye lest a gain

Kitkat260: hahahahhahhaha

Scarfield: Zeno https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Pew_Pew

Zenoscave: But can it beat megaman's Pew Pew

Astrobytes: Never

Astrobytes: "eye lest a gain" ffs :P

Zenoscave: Do you ever forget what version is the IDE using and just say "f**k it let's submit"

Astrobytes: Yes.

struct: who even keep track f versions

struct: of*

Astrobytes: I do have some version control but in the heat of parameter tweaking I can be careless.

struct: i have like 20+ CSB folders in my hd

Astrobytes: Very careless.

struct: I dont know what each one is

Astrobytes: It's like mixing down a piece of music. mixdown1 - decent;

Astrobytes: mixdown2 - what

Astrobytes: mixdown3 - mixdown1withmoredecent

Zenoscave: https://pasteboard.co/JXXKccH.png

Zenoscave: Just a bit

struct: that is for what game?

Astrobytes: hah

Scarfield: :o

struct: I dont even think I have that many submits across cg

Zenoscave: Ocean of code.

Astrobytes: that is epic

Zenoscave: It was during the contest too

Zenoscave: haven't touched it since

Astrobytes: SERIOUS

struct: ok i have 258 submits on stc

Astrobytes: 'king hell man

Zenoscave: I was bored and jobless. What did you expect :rofl:

Kitkat260: ??

Zenoscave: CG Enhancer breaks when I open it on OOC

Astrobytes: W**king maybe? Not this! :rofl:

struct: https://i.imgur.com/3KLR1ew.png

Kitkat260: haha

Astrobytes: On OOC struct?

struct: cvz

struct: I didnt play ooc

Astrobytes: Ah right

Astrobytes: True

Astrobytes: Have you tried it?

struct: too hard for me

Astrobytes: I know you missed the contest but it's kinda interesting

Astrobytes: Far better than that pacman shit

Zenoscave: I am the reason that contest servers set on fire usually

Astrobytes: *s**t

Astrobytes: Servercave

Zenoscave: I only had 170 on pacpac

Kitkat260: really

struct: I didnt play pacman either

struct: Ill play next contest

struct: as I played previous

Zenoscave: I was close to legend and broke smth with my "f**k it let's submit" meta

Kitkat260: nice

Zenoscave: Oi, Kitkat260.

Zenoscave: Shove it

Astrobytes: Liking that style Zeno

Zenoscave: thx Astrobytes

Kitkat260: why

Astrobytes: Do one innit

Zenoscave: s/y/ere/

Kitkat260: why should i shove it?

Zenoscave: again. s/y/ere/

Kitkat260: what?

Kitkat260: i don´t understand

Astrobytes: ta geddowdavere

Kitkat260: ftyeondj

Zenoscave: Are you for joisey Astro?

Kitkat260: ggiiwwkjlu

Kitkat260: si

Astrobytes: woops - gedahhdahvere

Kitkat260: si nor

Zenoscave: Or brooklyn?

Kitkat260: me bronx

Kitkat260: now in upstate NY

Astrobytes: Shit that does work. Think Lahndahn Englahnd

Kitkat260: now no cuss

Zenoscave: Laddy then

Kitkat260: thx

Astrobytes: so it would be gehdahdaveer?

Zenoscave: Ok It's almost dinner and I am hosting guests.

Astrobytes: I don't know, I'm Scottish.

Zenoscave: Do one Astrobytes ;) thx for the phrase

Astrobytes: You got fleas Zeno? :o

Zenoscave: because I am a dog?

Zenoscave: ruff

Astrobytes: You're welcome Zenoscave :D

Astrobytes: "I am hosting guests. "

Zenoscave: They're humans haha.

Zenoscave: Same thing as a flea for your case maybe ;)

Astrobytes: obviously they are humans! Enjoy dude. I have an appointment with a cheesy egg sandwich.

struct: I want an appointment with the creator of avx

struct: to know on what he was on

Astrobytes: Chips

Astrobytes: He was totally on chips

Astrobytes: Maybe speed too.

Astrobytes: Anyway, off for todayyy

Astrobytes: gn all

struct: gn

Default avatar.png MrFruit: How would you solve something you have no idea about ?

Lucky30_: you dont

Zenoscave: you learn about it MrFruit

Default avatar.png MrFruit: Hmm

Default avatar.png NissanSilvia: cool

davilla: oh that's awesome

davilla: search for "optimization"

davilla: doesn't give expected result

KelvinAndHubbles: hmm... the puzzle of the week is chess?

KelvinAndHubbles: is there a way to complete it?

KelvinAndHubbles: welp, recently got a reverse CoC where there was varying amount of inputs, but no variable or input that told us how many

KelvinAndHubbles: only solved it by catching the EOF error and just reading input a bunch of times till I was sure I got it all, but still, a bit annoying

Default avatar.png SaltNugs: Sup pepe

Default avatar.png SaltNugs: Nice Kevin, my code was much longer

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