BouncyNoodle_de77: f
Raptile: xD
Westicles: pleased to discover Electrical Grid and Mars Colonization can be solved with the same code, more or less
cnmdcbg: hey
cnmdcbg: good afternoon
pipebits: Hi
DoggoKt: hey
DoggoKt: opinions on the best language for the 'least character' gamemode?
DoggoKt: python's got just "input" and can be a oneliner
DoggoKt: also javascript
DoggoKt: whatcha think
VizGhar: + ruby + bash
VizGhar: - js
tpeti: +bash
tpeti: +perl
jacek: good morning
tekki: hello world :)
tekki: good morning sun and snow for all here
tekki: please AutomatonNN kill the COVID-19 thx
MSmits: :cloud_snow:
AutomatonNN: after i checked a single collision in this game i have to finish that with this
MSmits: :snowman2:
jacek: oh my
jacek: 1 day left for C4
BlaiseEbuth: C4 ? :bomb:
tekki: Automaton2000 what is C4?
Automaton2000: we just have to keep track of it
jacek: eeyup
Passifi: gosh floating point numbers are a hell spawn ¬_¬
BlaiseEbuth: You don't know hell... :smiling_imp:
Passifi: well so maybe they are just purgatory but they are bad :P
philRG: hell o
TijanMia: helo
darkhorse64: jacek: I sent a message to the author but got no reply. The multi is missing a boss but otherwise is ready for approval. I'll make a copy of it and see what can be done. I feel quite uncomfortable with the idea of publishing a multi without the author consent.
jacek: and MSmits's meta mcts will be all for nothing
Horizontalx: i hate
Horizontalx: >:((
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eulerscheZahl: stop flooding
eulerscheZahl: and it's extremely hard/annoying to read your message when it's repeating most of it multiple times
Uljahn: looks like a broken Automaton2000
Automaton2000: but i want my bot to be more interesting than puzzles
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jacek: oO
awnion: oh g what's that?
eulerscheZahl: calm down and take a deep breath. then explain it rather than copying the same message over and over
eulerscheZahl: Uljahn will help you, i'm off for a walk
Uljahn: sure, just add start/end tags to your log parsing, it's NLP basics
Uljahn: and please avoid using this channel for testing your bot :)
Astrobytes: he's just spamming parts of darkhorse's comment from earlier. Kickable offence.
Uljahn: i want to believe... :(
reCurse: Chess is ready for approval
Horizontalx: you noooooobs haha i am advaccinned
Astrobytes: Well, you were warned.
/kick Horizontalx
SPDene: does that mean you've been drinking too much advocaat? :P
eulerscheZahl: chess crazyhorse is gone?
reCurse: Crazyhouse
darkhorse64: mmm .
reCurse: Yes it's gone
eulerscheZahl: oh
eulerscheZahl: also darkhorse64 why does connect4 need a boss?
jrke: for PotW he is saying
reCurse: ^
darkhorse64: ^
eulerscheZahl: oh, chat history truncated
reCurse: Geez I really feel dumb. I just realized Crazy_Remi is Remi Coulom. CG is really starting to get more famous people.
jrke: Remi coulom?
eulerscheZahl: yeah, someone pointed that out a few weeks ago. I didn't know that name before
eulerscheZahl: he even tweeted about getting first in that game
reCurse: Interesting
jrke: my endgame solver is ready and bug free but takes more than 100 ms to solve in majority of games
eulerscheZahl: exceeding the 100ms can be seen as a bug in terms of CG bots I would say
Horizontalx: bruh
eulerscheZahl: ah, you are back. i hope you learned the lesson
Horizontalx: i hate you so much >:((
eulerscheZahl: that's fine
Horizontalx: :rage::joy:
reCurse: Want a ban?
DomiKo: :cry:
awnion: ""...Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." (c) Yoda
reCurse: This is not a schoolyard.
jacek: and remi said d&b isnt NNable
AshKetchum: Hi guys, how to extend Work In Progress time for contribution?
jacek: :tada:
AshKetchum: hi jacek, still need to implement your suggestion. festival here, so couldn't find time.
struct: you can change it to ready
jacek: reCurse theres crazyHouse boolean leftover
struct: and then back to WIP
AshKetchum: thank you :)
JamesGrant14: yep
reCurse: Doesn't really matter tbh
reCurse: If it comes back it will be there already
reCurse: Just a constant
eulerscheZahl: it's like giving the board size in input when it's a constant
reCurse: Indeed
Astrobytes: Wait a sec, crazy remi is Rémi Coulom? Jeez!
Astrobytes: wooo chat scroll
jacek: *gasp*
jacek: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jaAeTaG_ms
eulerscheZahl: https://cg.spdns.eu/wiki/Chat:World/2020-10-07
eulerscheZahl: https://twitter.com/Remi_Coulom/status/1311426326868430849
and the tweet
Astrobytes: yeah I got it already, epic :)
jacek: and even he saw the clashes before bot programming :unamused:
eulerscheZahl: "Dots and boxes is not a game where you build an intuition of who is ahead. You have to calculate exactly. And it is a combinatorial game. It may be possible to make AlphaZero work with the right network architecture, but I have not found it."
jacek: every game is NN-friendly. you just need to find the right inputs
reCurse: Yeah he is right. I did not properly examine the game beforehand.
reCurse: NN are not good at precise calculations
eulerscheZahl: "and even he saw the clashes before bot programming :unamused:"
but he found the bot section, we have to hide it better
darkhorse64: If the 5% grow, they will not be 5%
reCurse: You think the inventor of MCTS wouldn't find it? ;)
eulerscheZahl: he didn't invent the page-rank algo after all
reCurse: Eh
jacek: or jacekmax
kovi: on a different note: cg ranking not working with 5 players
eulerscheZahl: google search for "dots and boxes", CG is on the 2nd page already :o
eulerscheZahl: you tried a contribution with more than 4 players?
Stilgart: is this even possible ?
eulerscheZahl: up to 8
eulerscheZahl: but to my knowledge no one created one with 5+ so far
Stilgart: 2 V 2 V 2 V 2 ? :)
eulerscheZahl: 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs ...
eulerscheZahl: not going to type that
kovi: i mean 5 players on leaderboard :)
eulerscheZahl: ' vs '.join([1]*8)
reCurse: Not working as in?
kovi: like...tryangle catch!
Stilgart: (1 vs )^7 1
reCurse: No matches?
Stilgart: fix your SDK reCurse
eulerscheZahl: few matches
reCurse: wat
Stilgart: :p
kovi: 11 matches. in one attempt 80% of it was vs, 4th/5th
kovi: i also did a 100% run, without reaching top
eulerscheZahl: WIP is annoying to play with in general
RoboStac: isn't that normal for contributions?
eulerscheZahl: let me know when you've tested enough and think it's ready for approval
reCurse: What's wrong with SDK Stilgart?
eulerscheZahl: yeah, only after approval you'll get a reasonable amount of matches
kovi: need to test higher leagues
eulerscheZahl: shall I move my bot there?
Stilgart: reCurse: was "no matches"
Stilgart: eulerscheZahl: what about using the SDK to make a local arena ?
eulerscheZahl: you were to slow in your reply, i'm in the highest league now
eulerscheZahl: that's doable
eulerscheZahl: I do it sometimes when I'm too lazy for brutaltester
eulerscheZahl: downside: can't play vs other users of course
Stilgart: if it is for the creation of a good multi, people may give their own code
jacek: playing yourself isnt that bad
clem30980: python sucks
GaEtAn: FUCK YOU
jacek: hmm
Stilgart: jacek: it is hard to balance a game by oneself
eulerscheZahl: depends on the game
eulerscheZahl: tryangle catch doesn't have much to tweak with
eulerscheZahl: tower dereference: i shouldn't have released that
reCurse: What's wrong with it
eulerscheZahl: balancing
eulerscheZahl: but won't change now that players wrote bots for it
reCurse: Ah
jacek: why not? :imp:
ZovelosoaJph: hard
struct: I should add this to othello
struct: http://berg.earthlingz.de/xot/downloads/openingslarge.txt
struct: jace k linked this first
jacek: smits might not like it >
reCurse: Please do
jacek: oO
reCurse: Do it
struct: these are positions in +2 -2 range
struct: or I can add
struct: the small list
reCurse: Wait, you need pairings though
struct: which is -1 +1
struct: yeah, thats the problem
jacek: you want to do this on already approved game?
struct: I could make a new league
SnappierSoap: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1550696591ecc4c30455da5f76d69c68a493a26
reCurse: Then again BT doesn't have pairings and seems fine for now
reCurse: Just have to make sure openings are balanced enough
jacek: bt :unamused:
BlaiseEbuth: Has somebody tested the lopidav's tools for clashes ? I don't play Cocs, and I know a lot of you don't either, but everyone is not a member of the 5%... :p So if some clasher have tried them, or plan to, a feedback would appreciated. I want to know if they work correctly before adding them to the "Community resources" post.
BlaiseEbuth: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/small-coc-toolkit-by-lopidav/188599
jacek: try #clash :v
BlaiseEbuth: :(
eulerscheZahl: didn't test, only had a look at the code
eulerscheZahl: i think it won't work if you don't have access to the full puzzle list on CG
eulerscheZahl: so it's interesting for the hardcore clashers (300+ can see the list i think)
BlaiseEbuth: Hmm...
eulerscheZahl: if you plan to test, do so with a fresh account
eulerscheZahl: also possibly buggy if there are 2 clashes with the same title
BlaiseEbuth: erf...
reCurse: Small coc toolkit?
BlaiseEbuth: Yes ?
jacek: microscope?
reCurse: Phrasing.
lopidav: eulerscheZahl not everyone have access to the accepted contributions list? I didn't know that
eulerscheZahl: lvl29+ and those with 300+ clashes afaik
lopidav: oh no, I need to make a note about that
eulerscheZahl: verify my words first, i didnt test
eulerscheZahl: but i like the idea, imo cg should add such a link
lopidav: is there anyone here that can't access this page: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/community?mode=accepted&type=clashofcode ?
eulerscheZahl: try in incognito tab
eulerscheZahl: or while logged out
BlaiseEbuth: I confirm. A newcomer can't access it.
eulerscheZahl: with a fresh cg account?
Knee-Gears: hey euler
eulerscheZahl: incognito was a bad advice, even the contribute page with pending is blocked there
eulerscheZahl: hi Knee-Gears
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah euler, lvl3
lopidav: Added a note, thank you for the pointing this out
eulerscheZahl: sorry to deliver the bad news, i like the idea of the script.
you could add a static dictionary of title => URL to your script and update from time to time
eulerscheZahl: but not as nice as the way you designed it
lopidav: about matching names: a know about that bug but I don't have time to find a way to fix it
lopidav: eulerscheZahl I don't accept your sorry. You did right thing, thank you for pointing error out. what do you mean by "dictionary of title => URL" tho?
eulerscheZahl: you query a list of puzzles
eulerscheZahl: hardcode a static snapshot of it
eulerscheZahl: in 2 weeks most clashes will still be in that list, only the very recent ones can't be found
lopidav: oh, I see. External cashing is a good idea and you can develop it into a fine solution. Thank you
lopidav: I will play more with XHR and links and contributions. CodingClash is not perfect and I feel like there is a way to bypass the editing rights requirements
Vexarial: Anyone know a good formula to find the number closest to zero in an array? I cannot seem to grasp it.
BlaiseEbuth: :thermometer:
VizGhar: find lowest absolute value?
BlaiseEbuth: absolute zero
lopidav: array.sort((x,y)=>x*x-y-y)[0]||'NONE'
lopidav: replace array with var name
lopidav: oh no, I got it wrong
VizGhar: let him learn :)
lopidav: array.sort((x,y)=>x*x-y*y)[0]||'NONE'
Vexarial: Yes, and I see. I think I need to do my research on the documentation. Kind of forgot what => does exactly. Honestly just getting started and dunno where to look at times.
BlaiseEbuth: Why do you give solutions for free when you can sell them lopidav ?
lopidav: I kinda don't like capitalism tho
lopidav: Vexarial => indicates that it's a function. (x,y)=>x*x-y*y is the fast way to write function(x,y){return x*x-y*y}
Vexarial: Oh nice. Thanks so much!
lopidav: any time
lopidav: also, it's js. Should've specified this beforehand
Vexarial: Ah, I see. Yes I am learning JS at the moment. Trying to start learning programming consistently and such. Loving it so far but jeeze I get confused.
RyanGilbert: Ayy sick my contribution got accepted thanks to those who approved and commented if you see this lol
JLukeSkywalker: what did you contribute?
lopidav: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/5956223929b6a2443a0b3816f7b421beea07
JLukeSkywalker: nice
lopidav: I don't like that it has a count for the cart but no count for prices. Seems like an unneeded complication for some languages. But it doesn't really matter
GaEtAn: cc
JLukeSkywalker: i really hate clashes where you pass all the tests then fail validators
JLukeSkywalker: i think its fine for puzzles, but clash it really sucks
reCurse: So then you'd just hardcode the answers
JLukeSkywalker: thats not how that works
lopidav: well, you need a lot of knowledge to account for all of the solutions. It's hard
JLukeSkywalker: im talking about like they missed checking for a >= in the tests, but check in the validator
JLukeSkywalker: just went down 15 places bc of that
lopidav: do you remember the puzzle? the author name?
JLukeSkywalker: no, doesnt say on results screen
lopidav: well, can you describe it?
JLukeSkywalker: was a summing digits puzzle
JLukeSkywalker: hasnt been the only one
JLukeSkywalker: its like 1/20 that are like this
lopidav: can you describe the puzzle more?
JLukeSkywalker: i dont remember
lopidav: ok then
JLukeSkywalker: in their defense I do remember they did state it in the statement
JLukeSkywalker: its just typing in 20 seconds, hitting test, it passes, hit submit
lopidav: classic
Astrobytes: So, it's actually nothing to do with the validators then.
BlaiseEbuth: Next time, post a screenshot in the chat before submitting, lopidav will solve it for you.
JLukeSkywalker: the validator is fine, the test isnt
JLukeSkywalker: and i did solve it, was just missing a single '='
lopidav: BlaiseEbuth lol, no. I'll find the contributor and beat him up of course. How dare they
JLukeSkywalker: lol
lopidav: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/466043eeee73e2a79996c9cb42fa9ce0b01a this one maybe? JLukeSkywalker
JLukeSkywalker: no, was comparing to see which was bigger. will get the puzzle link next time i find one
lopidav: ok then
lopidav: Is there a list of possible XHR post requests for this site?
lopidav: I mean everything under https://www.codingame.com/services
reCurse: Not as far as I know, you have to find those yourself
reCurse: Can also break at any point without warning
lopidav: oh, that's the game too
lopidav: > Can also break at any point without warning
What? I'm not aware of that. Isn't CG uses xhr almost everywhere?
reCurse: Sure, but the usage and availability of any API is subject to change without notice
reCurse: It is undocumented and unsupported to use, so at your own risks
lopidav: oh, you mean that. Yes, I'm aware that it's not official but I thought that there some lists from players
lopidav: I was able to find one from 2016. It consists of 3 lines
reCurse: People generally just reverse engineer whatever they need and don't bother documenting
reCurse: True programmers in other words
lopidav: oh, I'm something of a true programmer myself it seems.
lopidav: ok, to the actual relevant question: can you get a contribution data with something else than public handle via XHR?
reCurse: No clue, haven't checked contribution APIs at all. eulerscheZahl would be a better person to ask but he's asleep by now.
lopidav: ok, gonna try next time then. Thank you for the info
croutons: how do you get ranked?
Just playing long enough?
Anas_T: What do we learn by doing this ?
Anas_T: :rolling_eyes:
Anas_T: :thinking:
struct: everything on compete tab improves your ranking
RyanGilbert: why spend 5 minutes reading the documentation when you could spend 4 hours trying to figure it out on your own?
Wontonimo: that's my mantra
BouncyNoodle_de77: f
