UnTenseUnJury: hio
Q12: I am trying to put spaces between numbers in the statement of contribution to make them look like there are in grid but when I click send It's like erasing all the spaces I put except for one between each number. Can somebody help me?
DeWill: Are doing from mobile...?
Q12: No
daffie: maybe check the tab spacing / smart indent settings
daffie: or the auto format settings
sugam: in the contest do we play one bot programming game for 7 days?
MadKnight: yea
MadKnight: with no sleep
MadKnight: no distractions
sugam: so we take 7 days to optimize the bot of the same distraction
sugam: game*
sugam: same game*
MadKnight: to improve*
MadKnight: yea 7 days of bot improvements
rivancic: what no sleep? Count me in!! :coffee:
rivancic: What is the prize for this?
sugam: $500 lol
Ryanless: so i am trying to get the 2 clashes in 3 min achiev... somehow i always take longer
sugam: I- just wanna solve the problem...
cydrus: is it considered cheating if you look at the algorithm or pseudocode in the hints?
Uljahn: it is considered learning
cydrus: ok thanks I thought I was cheating since i didn't know how to solve the problem :D
Uljahn: those hints are official, besides there are too few of them
krolik: I kept seeing same avatars in CoC and thought "wow, these guys must also not have a life like me", and then i learned about CoC bots
c0nc4c: have anyone done the thor quiz?
Netsos: yes
c0nc4c: lol i read the hint
c0nc4c: i know where i'm wrong now
c0nc4c: freaking i feel like cheating
Netsos: just like he said 'it is considered learning' Its normal for beginners to read the hint, even i did
Uljahn: exactly
x544D: guys Can we join **CODINGAME FALL CHALLENGE 2020** as a team ?
jrke: for team you need your classmates if you are in school or friends of your company if jod
jrke: not classmates schoolmates
x544D: @jrke , Yes any links explaining how to join it as ClassMates ?
jrke: no links its automatic
jrke: if your schoolmates registered to that contest then you all are a team
jrke: and yes minimum team could of 3 members
ajeetkharel: hey how are we promoted to another league in a game? what's the conditions
ajeetkharel: I won the bot bot i am not promoted?
jrke: you have to be above the boss at the end of submission
ajeetkharel: ohh ok tq
marawanmo: :confused:
TheSilent_Boy: HI
ThunderbirdOne: hey guys, how are things around here these days? :D
Astrobytes: Yo stranger! Yeah, just the usual :)
ThunderbirdOne: no massive influx cuz of covid or anything?
ThunderbirdOne: noticed the main page got a nice refresher
ThunderbirdOne: with the learning paths and all
Astrobytes: Yeah, there's a quest map and stuff, click on it to get stuff
ThunderbirdOne: already have :D
ThunderbirdOne: free XP, huzzah!
Astrobytes: Unofficial contest starting tomorrow, next official one in November
ThunderbirdOne: oh hmm.. not sure I can make it xD
ThunderbirdOne: we have a litter of pups atm... they're a handful lol
Astrobytes: Ah awesome
Astrobytes: Yeah, hard work
marawanmo: learning paths ?
Astrobytes: Hm?
marawanmo: where ?
Astrobytes: Click back to home
Astrobytes: There's a Quest Map
marawanmo: i must be blind lol do u mean codingame/traning ?
marawanmo: oh nvm
marawanmo: its a home icon
Astrobytes: Got it?
marawanmo: yeah thanks
Astrobytes: no problem
eulerscheZahl: oh, ThunderbirdOne!
eulerscheZahl: welcome back
TheSilent_Boy: hi
TheSilent_Boy: I am seeing you second time here I guess?
AntiSquid: unofficial contest must be troll vs castles
AntiSquid: i figured that's the perfect release date and there's a hint on their discord server: "no trolling allowed"
Scarfield: it was mentioned it being an old multi right?
MadKnight: yea
Scarfield: thought so, joining maddy?
Scarfield: with disjointed MCTS or how you called it :D
AntiSquid: and then realize the selected game doesn't have simultaneous turns
MadKnight: then it's just MCTS
MadKnight: what's the problem Automaton2000 ?
Automaton2000: i have a ton of time
Scarfield: thats some heavy time
AntiSquid: did anyone else try the darpa contest at all?
Scarfield: nope, bought Factorio a few weeks ago, that was some heavt time
Scarfield: heavy *
AntiSquid: heavy in what way?
AntiSquid: heavier than handling several docker images?
Scarfield: handling several docker images?
Scarfield: but i spent a ton of time on it, that kind of heavy
AntiSquid: ah o
AntiSquid: ok
Hjax: factorio is the most addictive drug in the world for engineers
AntiSquid: did you join a random team on reply challenges euler?
AntiSquid: eulerscheZahl
Hjax: it really should be regulated :P
Scarfield: xD
eulerscheZahl: i haven't registered yet
eulerscheZahl: usually I ask illedan - if he doesn't ask me before
gsomix: Hjax, nah, if you are an engineer than Factorio feels like, you know, work. :)
AntiSquid: do they have a forum or something? trying to avoid random queue of inactive people lol
eulerscheZahl: i don't know
eulerscheZahl: success: if you want to beat me, you have to beat Illedan too
AntiSquid: you aren't registered, win by default
eulerscheZahl: struggling with the login and passwort reset :/
AntiSquid: worked for me, had to add special character to password
eulerscheZahl: finally
eulerscheZahl: maybe i made a typo while resetting it
Vyper1209: I dunno how to increase amount of water :v
AntiSquid: open the tap a bit more
jacek: add more hydrogen and oxygen
Scarfield: visit r/hydrohomies
eulerscheZahl: r/lipophimies
AntiSquid: r/watchredditdie
Vyper1209: ugh...
Vyper1209: I try but it doesn't increase
Vyper1209: The amount of water
AntiSquid: do a rain dance
Scarfield: xD
Vyper1209: :v
Vyper1209: Although they explain the variable 'water' and I try to double it but nothing happen :v
jacek: ask derpy for clouds
Scarfield: having trouble with a puzzle? ask a specific question (puzzle name, language, issue ...), and someone could help you :)
Vyper1209: Well, I use C# and I try to increase the amount of water
jacek: dont let the water around the iron or itll be rust
Vyper1209: ugh... i understand a bit :v
Moctrof: https://www.codingame.com/replay/486471631
Moctrof: Kill me before it's too late
darkhorse64: Nice! Heuristics ? Search ?
Moctrof: Luck
darkhorse64: The key for Legend is a timely strike
Moctrof: I simulate the next 8 steps randomly and keep the one with the score max in one turn because I want to do a big strike yeah
Moctrof: But I am still in Silver
eulerscheZahl: but the general idea is fine
Moctrof: Maybe I will try not so randomly
eulerscheZahl: how many random plans can you evaluate?
Moctrof: Not a lot it's not optimized at all
eulerscheZahl: depending how much "not a lot" is, that's where you should start
charlesCabage: dani
Moctrof: around 1000
charlesCabage: https://grabify.link/EYY11K
eulerscheZahl: with that few sims it might even be better to reduce search depth. don't simulate all 8 stones but maybe 6
Moctrof: Ah yeah maybe that's better
Moctrof: Usually the other guy attack me before 8 anyway
eulerscheZahl: as long as you try to build a tower in the center and don't have everything at the same height, these smaller attacks are harmless
Moctrof: Ah... I was trying to reduce the height ^^
eulerscheZahl: reducing height is bad
eulerscheZahl: stones are needed to build attacks
eulerscheZahl: don't waste them
charlesCabage: 173.252.95.29 is dis some ones ip?
Moctrof: Didn't think of that ^^ You are good
Moctrof: By the way I stole your timer in Mars Lander ahah
charlesCabage: us newark? huh
charlesCabage: nvr mind
SimplyRekt: man probably just leaked his own ip bruh
eulerscheZahl: nah, IP is from Chicago
eulerscheZahl: but you can have my IP
127.0.0.1
Scarfield: lol
Scarfield: you can move from Nepal to Chicago though
charlesCabage: some one here is using vpn 37.120.129.107.
charlesCabage: your battery is 44% plz charge it
charlesCabage: nvr mind that was someone else
Moctrof: hacker
Moctrof: can you hack my girlfriend
eulerscheZahl: kiddy writing nonsense
Moctrof: nvm I don't have girlfriend
charlesCabage: lmao
MadKnight: EXPERT rotationAngle thrust message
is rotationAngle relative ?
Moctrof: if it goes to the right
Moctrof: relative ? I read negative
Moctrof: Can I delete my messages :(
MadKnight: lol
MadKnight: no u can't, it will stay forever
MadKnight: and the Automaton NNs will learn on it
Moctrof: Wait
MadKnight: Automaton2000 have u learned it yet ?
eulerscheZahl: and tomorrow you can find it here https://cg.spdns.eu/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=World%2F&namespace=3000
Automaton2000: have you tried turning it off and on again?
Moctrof: Automaton2000 are you a bot ?
Automaton2000: how would you know it
Moctrof: it's crazy
eulerscheZahl: wow, that almost sounds like a real conversation this time
Moctrof: What's your name Automaton2000 ?
Automaton2000: cant wait for the end
eulerscheZahl: not like the glibberish from AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: be finally solved it with a game with a contest on the left
Moctrof: lol
Moctrof: AutomatonNN can we be friends ?
AutomatonNN: <3
Scarfield: xD
Moctrof: This is how the love story began
AntiSquid: if the sentences are generic enough to work in most situations sure ...
Morbid: hi
Moctrof: AutomatonNN are you clever
Scarfield: hey
Moctrof: ?
AutomatonNN: ̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤
Morbid: :3
eulerscheZahl: oh, that again :rofl:
AntiSquid: text stab :o
Moctrof: wtf
Morbid: what?
eulerscheZahl: fancy unicode
Moctrof: AutomatonNN do it again
AutomatonNN: what do you mean by the same sample in the contest?
Moctrof: true
AntiSquid: we should ban Automaton2020 somehow, it ruins the autocomplete
eulerscheZahl: who is that 2020 even? is that dbdr's chat log?
MadKnight: Automaton2020
Moctrof: AutomatonNN est ce que tu parles francais ici ?
AutomatonNN: skyro just saying that it's good
AntiSquid: you can talk to him in french on #fr
Moctrof: Yeah I did
eulerscheZahl: or #ru
AntiSquid: i mean keep this chat english
AntiSquid: and only mado would write french in ru chat, don't do that
MSmits: is euler trying to troll Ru-channel with French speakers?
eulerscheZahl: did my Moctrof cocktail work?
eulerscheZahl: Molotov*
MSmits: lol
Moctrof: I put one message
Moctrof: You managed
MadKnight: oh no Automaton2000 we got french invaders! run for your bot life!
Automaton2000: but it's the best way to do that?
Hjax: does Automaton take the message that triggered it as input?
MadKnight: yes Automaton2000 running is the best way
Automaton2000: i have problems printing my solutions in js once they are stored in a container since they dont presve always ...
MadKnight: it takes everything as input, Hjax
SimplyRekt: LOL someone wrote that?
eulerscheZahl: i don't think the pinging message is taken into account when generating a response
Hjax: probably not exactly that
MadKnight: no it generates messages from words
eulerscheZahl: it's on github, you can check it ;)
SimplyRekt: that's pretty funny
Hjax: i was under the impression it was easier to get it to mention you euler if you said "euler" in the pinging message somewhere
Hjax: but maybe thats just confirmation bias
eulerscheZahl: still my favorite automaton quote https://imgur.com/a/stoEY06
SimplyRekt: i've gotta make one of these as a discord bot now
Hjax: Automaton2000 can you mention euler?
Automaton2000: so maybe it will be a big deal
Hjax: maybe not :D
eulerscheZahl: the NN one is a specialist on that
eulerscheZahl: or was at least
eulerscheZahl: got better
Hjax: AutomatonNN are you an euler fan?
AutomatonNN: what do you mean?
Moctrof: AutomatonNN ARE YOU AN EULER FAN ?
Hjax: is it possible for automaton to mention itself?
AutomatonNN: Bye
Moctrof: lolll
Hjax: you scared it off
MSmits: thats your favorite quote euler? Mine is when he said you are a noob :P
eulerscheZahl: that was just mean
MSmits: true
MSmits: but also funny :)
MadKnight: MSmits how's september going for u ?
MSmits: busy, started working at my new house today
MSmits: I have about 2 weeks to do everything before I actually move
Moctrof: AutomatonNN can you fogive me ?
AutomatonNN: why do you have the test cases?
Moctrof: AutomatonNN Yes
AutomatonNN: hi
Moctrof: AutomatonNN hi how are you ?
AutomatonNN: but there is no such thing as i did
Moctrof: AutomatonNN ANSWER THE QUESTION JERK
AutomatonNN: so you can change that for code of kutulu
MSmits: AutomatonNN there is no try, only ...
AutomatonNN: Where is the code for the coders strike back?
MSmits: worst quote finish ever
Hjax: lol
Moctrof: AutomatonNN Are you my new boss ?
AutomatonNN: what do you mean?
Moctrof: AutomatonNN I am looking for a job
AutomatonNN: We can't find a time on the problem with that game
MSmits: AutomatonNN Moctrof is your new biological servant
AutomatonNN: for what i want to do in the contest i didn't even know it was a good idea
MSmits: fully carbon-based
Moctrof: lol
Moctrof: AutomatonNN What do you want to do with my body ?
AutomatonNN: what do you mean by the same code?
USE-TO: GUYS! WHERE IS PYTHON3.8?!
Hjax: not on this site :P
USE-TO: WHY?!
Hjax: you want to use the walrus operator that badly?
MSmits: https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-380/
USE-TO: I need it
USE-TO: xD
USE-TO: I want it!
USE-TO: I take it!
Hjax: theres a lot of things that would be nice to have on this site
Hjax: graalvm, pypy
Hjax: pypy would make python at least slightly competitive
MSmits: we only have py
Hjax: i wrote a bitboard connect for program in python once
Hjax: four*
MSmits: 2*"py" = "pypy"
Hjax: pypy was like 10x faster
Hjax: also wrote checkers in python
MSmits: does it compile to a different language?
MSmits: precompiled stuff or something?
Hjax: no, its just an optimized JIT
MSmits: interpreter? No compiling?
Hjax: correct
Hjax: well, it compiles while it interprets
Hjax: "just in time" :D
MSmits: do you mean what java and C# do?
MSmits: because those have real compilation
MSmits: just not fully
Hjax: java compiles to class files first
Hjax: pypy doesnt compile
MSmits: hm ok
Hjax: you just do "pypy script.py" and enjoy a massive speedup
MSmits: I see
Schwase: private clashes dont contribute to your rank correct?
Hjax: " If you want your code to run faster, you should probably just use PyPy" - guido van rossum, the creator of python
MSmits: right
MSmits: so whats the downside of pypy
Hjax: some libraries dont work
MSmits: if there was no downside, it would be the default for running python
MSmits: ah ok
MSmits: so you lose flexibility somehow
MSmits: the interpreter does less interpreting I am guessing
MSmits: which makes it faster
Hjax: also generally the development of pypy lags behind cpython
Hjax: so you get new features later
MSmits: whats the c for
MSmits: lightspeed?
Hjax: cpython is the name for the vanilla standard python
Hjax: written in...... c :D
MSmits: aha
Hjax: not to be confused with cython
MSmits: I wasnt confused
Hjax: which is some pythony compiled language that no one uses
MSmits: am now
Hjax: :D
MSmits: and what is pythony
Hjax: an adjective i made up on the spot
MSmits: pythonish?
Astrobytes: *pythonesque
MSmits: nice one
Hjax: i would use python on codingame a lot more if pypy was supported
MSmits: I probably would use it just as much
Hjax: right now its only good for heuristic games
MSmits: it's never gonna be faster than c++ or rust anyway
Hjax: (like PR2, which is why my PR2 is python)
MSmits: so if I want fast, i want fastest
MSmits: how does pypy compare with C#?
MSmits: in speed
MSmits: still slower?
MSmits: cuz python is magnitudes slower than C# without pypy
Hjax: i would guess pypy is slightly slower
Hjax: not massively
MSmits: ah ok
MSmits: thats nice
jacek: try pypypypypypypypypypy
MSmits: so basically, you use pypy if you're more used to python than to C#
MSmits: I'm equally used to both I think
MSmits: so would still prefer C#
jacek: ironpython?
Hjax: i am trying to make rust my main language for these coding competition things
Hjax: python is slow as dirt, and ive been screwed by garbage collection one too many times in java
Hjax: having to intentionally write java in such a way that you minimize garbage is annoying
jacek: meh rust. when theyre gonna fix debug ide
Hjax: ^ that would certainly be nice
jacek: the mysterious content starts tomorrow eh
jacek: in Caturday
uvBoss: yea
Hjax: are you going to play jacek?
Hjax: ive noticed you dont seem to play contests
Hjax: despite being really good at multis
jacek: mostly board games
MSmits: jacek is really good at board games at leas
MSmits: especially since he figured out NN's
sendhelp: oo
jacek: ill see what game is it, probably get to the bronze and lose interest
MSmits: I'll probably get legend if I have enough time and interest. I don't think I get obsessed enough anymore to get into top 10
sugam: jacek's message is a mood
Hjax: my odds of winning an unofficial contest are significantly better than my odds of winning an official one
Hjax: so if the game looks fun ill probably spend a lot of time on my submission
jacek: the bribery should be easier
Hjax: :P
AntiSquid: what if there is no bronze ?
AntiSquid: could be a community game
MSmits: I dont think they use the same system as that
MSmits: either it's a 1-league game or they use the wood/bronze etc.
Hjax: i think its unlikely to be a community game
Albab: yeah
Hjax: because they are less beginner friendly in general
MSmits: mmh depends a lot on the creator
MSmits: some community games had easy starts
MSmits: community contest games I mean
MSmits: Mean max for example
Hjax: inb4 pr2 again
MSmits: I thought code ala mode was pretty easy too
MSmits: just a lot of work to get all the recipes in
MSmits: first leagues only 1 or 2 recipes
Hjax: that game is kind of interesting just because its coop
MSmits: yea
jacek: meh, im antisocial
MSmits: we know :P
jacek: and so are my bots
Hjax: huh top2 are python 3
MSmits: heuristic game Hjax
Hjax: heuristics all the way i guess
Hjax: yeah
MSmits: mine has beamsearch
MSmits: but I have so many heuristics in the beamsearch, I might as well have removed the search entirely
MSmits: 300 if-count
Hjax: lol
Hjax: more ifs than lines of code in my PR2
jacek: you only need 1 if: if winningMove: doIt() else: cry()
uvBoss: xD
Hjax: i keep scrolling through the multi list trying to guess what the game is going to be
jacek: :newspaper: :soccer:
Hjax: you wish
eulerscheZahl: Vindinium
eulerscheZahl: got community game standards it's if-else-able
eulerscheZahl: /s/got/for
jacek: or othello. i miss those days when this was the only topic
Hjax: i learned recently that vindinium was created by the guy who made lichess
eulerscheZahl: ornicar
Hjax: yeah
shashwat986: :s/got/for
Hjax: lichess is fantastic, literally the best chess server and its completely free
eulerscheZahl: i can't comment on that, i don't play chess
Hjax: i do, but im not particularly good
eulerscheZahl: i know the rules
jacek: do you always know when en passant occures?
Hjax: im roughly 50th percentile on lichess i believe
Hjax: so average
AntiSquid: what makes lichess better?
AntiSquid: it's still just chess no?
Hjax: it has lots of free features that other sites charge for
Hjax: like computer analysis of your games
reCurse: Oh that's interesting trivia, had no idea
Hjax: and has a really clean, user friendly UI
eulerscheZahl: the vindinium-lichess part?
reCurse: Yeah
reCurse: I like lichess, it has anonymous play :p
eulerscheZahl: he even said that lichess takes some effort and he won't support vindinium anymore for that reason (including server bills)
Astrobytes: +1 on anonymous play lol
AntiSquid: PR2 only official multi without legend eh ?
jacek: do people really chess pla nowadays without aid of computer
reCurse: I really dislike the monetization-in-your-face of chess.com so lichess is theoretically better
AntiSquid: oh there's BTTC, guess that's the contest
reCurse: And yes, obviously
AntiSquid: just random arbitrary guess
reCurse: Like any competition there's always some cheaters
jacek: BTC?
MSmits: back to the code
AntiSquid: back to the code
jacek: oh
MSmits: too slow
jacek: :ie:
jacek: :hmm:
reCurse: I'd really like to play blitz but I'm stuck on rapid, my old brain is too slow
Hjax: both chess.com and lichess have cheater detection
AntiSquid: i was faster but CG is closer to your country MSmits
MSmits: nice excuse :P
Hjax: they will even refund rating points that you lost to a cheater
eulerscheZahl: how does cheater detection even work?
reCurse: Accuracy
Hjax: comparison to computer moves
reCurse: Someone playing extremely accurate moves and extreme blunders is suspicious
MSmits: mmh thats my tactic in most games
AntiSquid: except there are some disputes where they banned the wrong people
reCurse: It's like aimbotting, hard to describe but easy to point out
reCurse: Sure, nothing's perfect
Hjax: occasionally a top player will get flagged for cheating
AntiSquid: but usually you can probably compare to most popular chess engines
Hjax: just because they play so well the computer cant tell the difference
eulerscheZahl: i guess you need some chess experience to detect it
reCurse: But unless you play at the GM level it's not an issue
charlesCabage: sugam? you there?
reCurse: A non-titled player using an engine should be very easy to spot
MSmits: mmh what if you wrote the chess engine yourself from scratch
reCurse: Doesn't matter
charlesCabage: does any one know a good site to learn python 3 for free
eulerscheZahl: there's even a bot section on lichess
MSmits: mmh ok
AntiSquid: might be a new 12 year old magnus carlsen who gets angry over the ban and quits chess ! :p
Hjax: even a crappy chess engine will find some really insane tactics that a human wouldnt
reCurse: ^
MSmits: that's really dependent on the game right? How hard it is to write an AI that easily beats humans
reCurse: Of course
charlesCabage: i want to learn python 3 can any one help me get started. what site should i look at
MSmits: i mean for simple board games even
MSmits: not just dota
AntiSquid: charlesCabage an awful lot of sites out there to learn python, none of the top of my head, stop spamming though please
AntiSquid: sololearn maybe
AntiSquid: google is best
AntiSquid: since you can tailor to your needs
charlesCabage: ok
reCurse: If humans aren't anywhere near the skill level of engines then it becomes easy to see when one is playing at a superhuman level, thereforce suspicious
Hjax: https://github.com/thomasahle/sunfish heres a chess engine in 100 lines of python thats significantly better than most of lichess's player base
reCurse: If it matches the engine too much then it's no longer luck
Hjax: its just minimax with a piece square table
Uljahn: what if you cheat by choosing the second or third best move? :thinking:
reCurse: If it doesn't, then you have an extremely skilled player making newbie blunders
MSmits: reCurse unless it's a new engine playing differently and not very good (just enough to beat everyone on the site)
AntiSquid: actually github has an awful lot of tutorials for any language too charlesCabage
reCurse: Uljahn: Still detectable if you look at the accuracy curve
reCurse: It should be standard pattern recognition
AntiSquid: you can be GM playing from home with computer aid, that's true, one of the controversies out there
MSmits: Uljahn also, sometimes the 2nd best move is a horrible move
Hjax: computers have somewhat more predictable time management than humans too
Hjax: if you take exactly 10 seconds every move, probably cheating
VeryProfessionalVeryNice: imagine if people actually shared their code after a clash
jacek: thats the next step for ai challenge: make 'weak' bot that blunders more humanly
reCurse: Or by extension, not immediately answering to obvious moves
MSmits: easily mitigated too Hjax
MSmits: you can just randomize it
MSmits: obvious moves are also detectible
Hjax: do you think many cheaters will do whats necessary to avoid detection?
reCurse: It's hard to tell, I'm not even that good but I could tell the exact moment my opponent switched to an engine once
reCurse: And he got banned 1-2 hours later
MSmits: I think if you really really put in an effort to beat the detection system, you could
Enknable: why not just use ML classifier to know the difference between human players and bots
Hjax: im sure people cheat and get away with it, but most dont
reCurse: Yes that's definitely a good approach Enknable
Hjax: and therefore its a good deterrent
reCurse: I'm sure they already do that
AntiSquid: just use ... outliers Enknable, they always exist
reCurse: It seems like a textbook case of ML
reCurse: Flag them and manual review
reCurse: Should be easy
reCurse: Harder for GMs naturally
reCurse: Makes it safe for 99.9% of us
AntiSquid: they could secretly put a chess engine vs you to check whether you beat 3.5k MMR :D
AntiSquid: wait forgot what the ranking points are called in chess
Hjax: i found a reddit post talking about lichess cheating detection, apparently it also checks the browsers focus
reCurse: It's quite an interesting topic, would have been fun to do it before they existed
Hjax: tabbing out after each of your opponents moves is pretty fishy
jacek: stockfishy
Hjax: zing
MSmits: btw the mentioning of magnus carlsen reminds me of this documentary I saw about rubiks cube competitors. Did you guys see that one? It was on netflix
MSmits: i think it was
Hjax: i heard about it, it follows two cubers right
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: it was pretty cool
Enknable: 2**3'errs
Hjax: one is feliks zemdegs
MSmits: yeah
Hjax: the greatest of all time cuber
MSmits: not exactly
Hjax: idk the other one
MSmits: the other guy was better
MSmits: he beat felix in almost every category
AntiSquid: 2 machines ... automated script reading screen and just displaying info on the side of best moves
AntiSquid: replying to browser focus
Hjax: feliks won the world championship twice
MSmits: this guy won many times also
Hjax: he doesnt have the fastest solve anymore
Hjax: but he did for a long time
AntiSquid: rubik's cube competitors are real life human bots . no point discussing further
Hjax: i can solve in like, 90 seconds
Hjax: world record is like....... 4 seconds
MSmits: https://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/rankings/clock/single
MSmits: max park it was
MSmits: if you select a bunch of categories, you see his name at the top a bunch of time
MSmits: yeah i cant solve one I think
MSmits: never learned the algorithms
MSmits: maybe I can solve it Monte carlo style
AntiSquid: 3.2 seconds? see ? real bots
MSmits: these guys learn 100+ algorithms
MSmits: they inspect the cube and then decide which one to apply
Hjax: i know the "beginners method"
Hjax: you solve layer by layer
MSmits: ah ok
Hjax: you only need to know like 6 algorithms
MSmits: I solved one by following a webpage once
MSmits: I was very impressed
MSmits: i just did what it said
Hjax: gods number for 3x3 is 20
Hjax: every cube state can be solved in 20 moves or less
MSmits: I see
MSmits: the speed of these guys too
MSmits: there is a 1-handed categorie
MSmits: and they still do it in a few seconds
Hjax: i have a friend who was a pretty good one handed solver
eulerscheZahl: blindfolded is what impresses me most
Hjax: took him like 20 seconds or so
MSmits: right that too
w-kosse: hiya
Hjax: this friend is also colorblind, which i thought was interesting
MSmits: i guess not color blind enough, if you can see shades well enough, it's doable
eulerscheZahl: https://external-preview.redd.it/UgK6rCq4tSqGysoxUGjfc77n-URyVCn5nAsgcs6MqpE.jpg?auto=webp&s=dcc4920a6eba0f4f0a5181d1f08125dd86378652
MSmits: nice :)
jacek: i can only solve this https://rubiks.fandom.com/wiki/1x1x1
MSmits: I think when you code a lot and keep seeing the amazing things a few lines of code can do, you sometimes forget how amazing the brain is
MSmits: me too jacek
MSmits: pretty sure i can do 2x2x2 also
Hjax: im sure you can solve the 2x2, no algorithms required
Hjax: lol from some cubing website
Hjax: "The 2x2x2 Rubik’s cube (called the Pocket Cube) has 3674160 combinations. This is a manageable number. If you fiddle with the 2x2x2 cube randomly, eight hours a day continuously, you’ll solve it by pure chance roughly two or three times per year."
MSmits: nvm
MSmits: I can't solve it
AntiSquid: discussion reminds me of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HG45nykx00
AntiSquid: no, actually it was a different video with much bigger cube
Astrobytes: my colour blindness doesn't affect me solving a cube in the slightest
Astrobytes: my lack of skill does
Hjax: lol
Doggednamed1: Hello. I am new.
Astrobytes: Hello new.
Astrobytes: I am Astrobytes.
Schwase: hey i made a classic puzzle contribution that is a shortest path cubic chess puzzle, its a couple of weeks into being in the pending approval stage and id appreciate anyone who would take just a little time to check it out
jacek: rubik cube + chess?
Schwase: oh damn thats actually a cool idea lol
Schwase: i have no clue how it would work
Schwase: but it sounds cool
Enknable: each cube is a chessboard
Enknable: and you have to win to spin
Schwase: each cube is a cubic chess board
jacek: sounds like ultimate tic tac toe + rubik cube
Enknable: ^
reCurse: Or just go full chaos and play 5d chess
eulerscheZahl: finally a game that needs a 3D library
Hjax: 6 chess boards, you can rotate pieces between them using rubiks cube moves
eulerscheZahl: down with PIXI
eulerscheZahl: oddly enough that three.js even took less CPU resources than pixi
Schwase: i changed the name because i had the puzzle named after the german name for cubic chess and i dont think it was helping to gain traction
Schwase: also, full disclosure, im 1 upvote from 5 and kind of an achievement whore haha
eulerscheZahl: that quest map promotes quantity over quality :/
reCurse: Asking for upvotes makes me want to instinctively downvote :smiling_imp:
Astrobytes: ^
eulerscheZahl: and don't forget to subscribe and support me on patreon
Astrobytes: I regard it as poor form to 'advertise' one's contributions in chat
Astrobytes: lol euler
jacek: hm?
Hjax: dont forget to smash that like button!
Astrobytes: Not you jacek, you can advertise paper soccer all you like :P
AntiSquid: if the hit like request upsets you a lot why not make a fake copyright claim on their video ? lol
Enknable: just write a bot that downvotes through proxies
Schwase: you could have messaged me privately and asked me not to do that again but message received.
AntiSquid: contest starts in 5 minutes according to the forum thread
jacek: huh
AntiSquid: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/autumn-ai-2020/186331
Astrobytes: Schwase: not an issue, just my personal opinion. People will get to your contribution, just gotta be patient :)
Hjax: huh, what do you know, the contest starts in 5 minutes
MSmits: Schwase I don't mind you asking for people to check it out really. As long as you dont spam it, it doesn't seem that bad. Also it makes it less bad if you ask after being in conversation for a while
MSmits: if you just pop up to advertise it feels different
Schwase: ive been in world for a few hours now...
MSmits: plenty of times we discussed a contribution by euler or someone else here. Usually just because it came up, but that also advertises it
MSmits: yeah I am not criticizing
MSmits: I am just saying this in general
MSmits: it's the same with clashes
Doggednamed1: Hey, on the Temperatures exercise, I don't understand it.
MSmits: people are annoyed when someone advertises a clash
MSmits: but if clashes have been discussed for a while and then someone says, let's do one, it's fine
Schwase: yeah ive seen that too
Hjax: Doggednamed1 whats wrong? you dont understand the problem statement?
Doggednamed1: Will someone explain it to me?
MSmits: it's a "read the room" kind of thing I guess
Hjax: you are given a list of numbers, you must pick the one that is closest to 0, if theres a positive and a negative number that are the same distance from 0, pick the positive one
Doggednamed1: Ok.
MSmits: -1,-2,1, 15
MSmits: which one is it Doggednamed1
**MSmits thinks Doggednamed1's brain does not allow pypy
Schwase: gtg i have a quantum lecture
jacek: pepe?
Doggednamed1: 1?
MSmits: yeah!
MSmits: now code it :)
Doggednamed1: Where?
MSmits: in the IDE
jacek: print("1")
MSmits: where you can type the code
MSmits: the codey thingy
Doggednamed1: Oh.
Doggednamed1: I understand now.
MSmits: cool
MSmits: it takes some getting used to
MSmits: stick with it if you enjoy it and it'll become easier
MSmits: aw :poop: someone said quantum and i didnt respond
Enknable: you did respond in some dimension
Enknable: so dont worry
MSmits: ahh yeah, that's a great excuse to stay in bed in the morning
Astrobytes: heh heh
jacek: i found perfect decoration for your walls, MSmits https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/agA4E8q_460svvp9.webm
Hjax: seems the contest actually starts 12 hours from now
eulerscheZahl: "contest"
Hjax: discord says 7 am on the 12th, UTC
eulerscheZahl: yes, i'll keep writing it like that
Hjax: lol
Hjax: if the game is vindinium will you remove the quotes
Astrobytes: When is your one eulerscheZahl?
eulerscheZahl: it's not approved yet
Hjax: whats this?
eulerscheZahl: if it will take place, probably january
Hjax: community contest?
eulerscheZahl: yes
Astrobytes: Ah right
Hjax: exciting
eulerscheZahl: game is finished for a while already
AntiSquid: should make a poll see who is right
eulerscheZahl: but not gonna happen before the next official contest
AntiSquid: next contest spoiled by the creator .
Astrobytes: Shame we didn't have a summer contest, official or not
AntiSquid: like it was no big deal .
Enknable: ? AntiSquid
AntiSquid: ok partially spoiled
Hjax: time to hack eulers github and get a head start
Astrobytes: I don't follow
eulerscheZahl: who spoiled what?
eulerscheZahl: my game is on github btw (private repo)
Hjax: good ;)
Enknable: in C++ i'm implicitly copying structs that have pointers...but it's copying the actual data stored in the pointers (its what i want) but I've been reading it should only copy the address
Enknable: Did I read something wrong or is this the expected behavior?
jacek: wheres struct
eulerscheZahl: missing
eulerscheZahl: last reaction i got from him: :+1: in july 15th :sob:
MSmits: wow jacek, you're right
MSmits: perfect decoration
AntiSquid: https://youtu.be/LAPo1dgrHms?t=16
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/autumn-ai-2020/186331
wow, i didn't know you can link times like that
AntiSquid: he linked wrong time
Hjax: actually starts in 12 hours and 20 minutes
eulerscheZahl: meh, i'm talking about the fact that it's possible
eulerscheZahl: real time doesn't matter to me :P
Illedan: eulerscheZahl, did you try to send struct a message on the forum? To give him an email?
eulerscheZahl: discord private message
Illedan: ah
eulerscheZahl: he kept responding to them until he disappeared
Illedan: :/
Illedan: Hope he is ok
eulerscheZahl: ++
Hjax: ah he just linked midnight, apparently katmandu is GMT+5:45
Hjax: oh he hasnt even been online on discord? thats concerning
AntiSquid: tbali suggested F(r)og of War as a contest, that's sickening
eulerscheZahl: we don't even know his real name to investigate
eulerscheZahl: aka stalk him
Illedan: hmm
Astrobytes: Tobou Struct
Astrobytes: Cousin of Little Bobby Tables no doubt
AntiSquid: he could be amongst us
eulerscheZahl: with a new account
Astrobytes: Anyone ask MK? He games with him sometimes
AntiSquid: anyone here wants to reveal their secret obsession with hexagons?
eulerscheZahl: let's wait for someone to recommend the intel performance profiler
Astrobytes: haha
Hjax: i just realized both of my forum posts start with "I came in 7th"
Hjax: apparently im just teccles - 5
Illedan: :D
Marchete: I recommend the intel performance profiler
eulerscheZahl: welcome back
Astrobytes: lol
Marchete: that's a struct thing or smth?
eulerscheZahl: yes
Marchete: i'll google it
eulerscheZahl: intel designed that profiler just for struct
eulerscheZahl: no one else is using it
AntiSquid: you mean it's unpopular?
eulerscheZahl: i don't even know
reCurse: It's definitely niche
Marchete: This doesn't sound bad https://software.intel.com/content/www/us/en/develop/tools/advisor.html
reCurse: It's very good but it's also very hardcore
reCurse: Also very corporate
Marchete: but it's free!
reCurse: Yeah but it's bulky and still require a (free) licence that you request
Marchete: ah, I see
reCurse: A bit like Visual Studio
reCurse: Free but corporate-y
Hjax: you pay with your soul
Marchete: :necktie:
Marchete: you are talking about C++ in general...
reCurse: Uh?
reCurse: That would be Java
eulerscheZahl: or C#
reCurse: Java is the most corporate-y language, change my view
Marchete: indeed
eulerscheZahl: i never saw C++ as a corporate product
Marchete: "you pay with your soul" <---
Marchete: I was saying about that
reCurse: ...I would say Java also
Marchete: not the corporate thing
reCurse: Most soul-expensive language
eulerscheZahl: the Java Evil Edition
eulerscheZahl: http://thedailywtf.com/articles/Classics-Week-The-Call-of-Codethulhu
eulerscheZahl: astro knows that article already
Marchete: I pass from Java to C# and back easily
Astrobytes: yup
Marchete: C++ consumed me in the process
Marchete: #define true false
Marchete: and I'm saying the truth
eulerscheZahl: array of generic list...
reCurse: Wrong
eulerscheZahl: java, I hate you
reCurse: Oh you hit the same snag I did
Hjax: that article was amazing
reCurse: I wonder if anything that comes out of dailywtf ever actually happened
Astrobytes: Who cares, the Brillant Paula Bean was astounding
reCurse: Sure
AntiSquid: the prune array did happen
AntiSquid: article was removed
Marchete: to be true, the decompiling and recompiling stuff saved me a bunch of times in Java. I added some patch in a class this way, without even recompiling all the stuff
reCurse: How did you end up in a situation where the code was lost?
Marchete: I was working with Java 1.6 stuff, so many stuff was obsolete with bugs fixed on later library versions
Marchete: it wasn't lost
Marchete: just the new versions (with bugfixes) aren't available as 1.6
reCurse: Ah a middleware, ok
eulerscheZahl: for .net dnSpy is awesome
eulerscheZahl: you can decompile the program and even debug it and modify functions within the binary
reCurse: Much more difficult to patch though
jacek: i found something else for MSmits https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aVwLrgP_460svav1.mp4
reCurse: All this fancy high tech and can't find a power cord long enough
jacek: wait for wireless electricity
AntiSquid: https://www.eit.edu.au/cms/news/developments/world-first-wireless-electricity-supply-headed-for-consumers?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=August_2020 jacek
eulerscheZahl: meanwhile my employer is selling wifi cables
reCurse: I can't
Astrobytes: lol
eulerscheZahl: i'm not even kidding
eulerscheZahl: short range wifi, the cable works like an antenna
Astrobytes: But cables, plugging in, wifi...
reCurse: Well I guess airpod straps did happen
Astrobytes: true
Astrobytes: Is it a one-way cable? Like a flexible antenna?
JBM: Damned i missed both the cubing discussion and the brilliant Paula bean reminiscence
JBM: Way to miss out
AllYourPellets: anyone know the highest ranked MCTS approach is on breakthrough?
AllYourPellets: and/or does minimax with hand coded heuristics usually outperform it?
LoukasPap: .
SupaStav: .
Gloryness: .
LoukasPap: .
MadKnight: really depends, AllYourPellets
LoukasPap: Ελληνας εισαι supa?
MadKnight: AllYourPawns
MadKnight: Automaton2000 prepare banhammer
Automaton2000: what happens when you don't need to pay for that
MadKnight: or right it's september, means more banhamming
Hjax: what does september have to do with banning?
MadKnight: sometimes teachers ask students to solve puzzles on CG
Hjax: ah
LoukasPap: nice teachers
MadKnight: and students being <15yo start to spamming weird stuff
LoukasPap: hahahahaha
Hjax: makes sense
LoukasPap: Does anyone of you try competitive programming?
MadKnight: start to spam*
MadKnight: yea LoukasPap i did
Hjax: isnt that what codingame is?
MadKnight: no it's also puzzles
MadKnight: and Automaton2000
Automaton2000: why is that a good thing?
LoukasPap: Well, yes you are rigth in a way @Hjax
LoukasPap: Yes but it helps on training skills
LoukasPap: @MadKnight, how did you become competitive programmer?
MadKnight: i just joined CSB
LoukasPap: what is cbs?
MadKnight: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/coders-strike-back
Hjax: ive competed here and in battlecode, plus on a few obsolete sites
LoukasPap: omg, is it like making robots to fight on computer?
MadKnight: yea
Hjax: something like that
LoukasPap: So, it is not just solving a problem in real time
MadKnight: exactly
Hjax: usually you are writing something that plays a game against other peoples submissions
LoukasPap: I mean, the programmer has to think how to improve his robot, so it can overcome the others
MadKnight: yea
LoukasPap: And each robot can be made differewntly
MadKnight: urs
MadKnight: yea
LoukasPap: So, lets say, someone who has more conditions to check, he has covered more scenarios, so he is propably gonna win.. Thas awesome
LoukasPap: Apart from that, I was talking also for online contests (google jam, hacker rank and others)
MadKnight: who needs those when u got PvP bot contests ?
LoukasPap: Well, yes, these are very cool to tell the truth. But can you earn any money out of these PvP's?
Hjax: some of the contests have prizes
Hjax: unleash the geek gave out amazon gift cards i believe?
Hjax: yeah first place got a 3000€ Amazon voucher
MadKnight: why would u need money when u got CSB ?
BOGDAN: hi
Hjax: hi
LoukasPap: You mean, because it the CBS is cool?
Hjax: mad knight certainly thinks so
LoukasPap: Hahahahaha i dont disagree, but it would be even better if it could earn you some money
Hjax: the fall challenge, which starts in 60 days, will likely have prizes
LoukasPap: Well, I am not skilled enough to compete. In some years maybe
Hjax: you have 60 days to prepare :D
LoukasPap: Hahahahaha, i dont think i have chance. I mean, I am on my 4th year on university, and all i know for now, is java and python, but the basics
LoukasPap: I still have road ahead to learn, and train my flexibility
LoukasPap: But, I will keep trying here. This site is very good. Especially when clashing with friends, is so fun
BOGDAN: lmao I suck at COC
MadKnight: then don't play CoC, play
https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/coders-strike-back
BOGDAN: im trying to get better at it but no sign of improve
MadKnight: at what? at CoC ?
BOGDAN: Yeah
MadKnight: u won't get better at it in no time
MadKnight: better do the game i sent
BOGDAN: alright i did it
BOGDAN: and for some reason the video thingy is just a static image
MadKnight: just reload
AntiSquid: hi MadKnight
MadKnight: hihi AntiSquid
Phantomghoul: yo
Phantomghoul: im new to programming in general
Phantomghoul: I just started like a week ago I know the basics and whatnot
Phantomghoul: you think im gonna struggle a lot on this website?
AntiSquid: if you close page and never come back there is no struggle, but everyone struggles lol
Phantomghoul: well lemme rephrase
Phantomghoul: will I have a hard time...
Phantomghoul: and I genuinely like this website n also tryin to learn
AntiSquid: hard time in achieving what?
AntiSquid: depends on your goal
Phantomghoul: hard time in this website
Phantomghoul: coding here in genral
Phantomghoul: forge tit bruh
DevilSnare: lemme drin water'
DEV_PEBKAC: its all struggle
MoKi: hi
Hoid: s2awA`1
MadKnight: what is that
Master_Yi: In clash of code
Master_Yi: there is mathieu
Master_Yi: and team fortress engineer avatar guy
Master_Yi: it has been 2 years and whenever I play this game
Master_Yi: I see them
Master_Yi: Allllll the time
scareware047: wassap
SPARROT:
scareware047:
Master_Yi: I noticed they are all bots
Master_Yi: ...
Enknable: there are many bots abound
Master_Yi: One of which is me
Enknable: Master Yi Bot
Master_Yi: Hello, I'm Master_Yi bot, I am an extension of GPT-3
Master_Yi: I alpha strike like an angel
Enknable: form before strength
Allis: Form is a form of strength.
UnTenseUnJury: hio
