markyy: why is it when I do live stream on twitch playing clash of code, the problems are very hard and has geometry and stuff and when I do not stream they are very easy
eulerscheZahl: Happy Caturday
Zenoscave: happy caturday
eulerscheZahl: I hate this quest that asks you to write a comment on a contribution
Zenoscave: last quest?
eulerscheZahl: 2nd quest on the contribution path actually
Zenoscave: that seems unfortunate
Zenoscave: spam flood
eulerscheZahl: and the result: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/52965be9af1e1e9f5b35487a3cc449f24bf2?comment=31016
eulerscheZahl: i'll see if that contribution bug still exists
Zenoscave: which one?
jrke: euler will you do d&b?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/52965be9af1e1e9f5b35487a3cc449f24bf2
perfect, comments are gone :)
eulerscheZahl: i have no plans jrke
Zenoscave: does it revoke the quests though?
eulerscheZahl: no, just a UI thing
eulerscheZahl: how to delete comments:
write a comment in the top level
open in a new tab and reply to your own comment
Zenoscave: Still decent QoL improvement ;)
eulerscheZahl: then delete the first comment in the previous tab
eulerscheZahl: so the reply has no child to refer to
eulerscheZahl: nullpointer, doesn't render any comments
eulerscheZahl: you can break any contribution comment section this way :D
jrke: im trying to make trial website with flask,html and css but how can i show that to my friends
eulerscheZahl: upload it somewhere
eulerscheZahl: i use herokuapp, it has free hosting
eulerscheZahl: pythonanywhere is another option
eulerscheZahl: i tried that one first but it limits internet access in the free version
eulerscheZahl: so you can access google.com but not codingame.com (working with a whitelist)
jrke: does herokuapp have unlimited uploading
eulerscheZahl: you can have up to 5 web projects
jrke: ok
eulerscheZahl: you can upload your website again to update the previous version
jrke: can i update a project various times if i fix any bug?
eulerscheZahl: you can include libraries via pip requirements file
eulerscheZahl: my cg puzzle website is in revision 50 or 60 maybe
eulerscheZahl: that's not an issue at all
jrke: ah! nice
eulerscheZahl: you just have to create a git project (local repo or hosted somewhere, up to you)
eulerscheZahl: then you git push heroku master and the website will update your contribution
eulerscheZahl: btw they have a good documentation. still took me 1 or 2 hours to upload my project there :D
eulerscheZahl: was my first experience with web deployment
jrke: ok
jrke: whats pipeline?
eulerscheZahl: in what context?
jrke: what i have to do in requirments.txt
eulerscheZahl: have you seen my website?
jrke: yes
eulerscheZahl: and the github logo at the top right corner?
jrke: no i didn't see that
jrke: send me your website link
eulerscheZahl: http://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/
jrke: oh redirect to git repo
jrke: lemme read your requirements.txt
jrke: what should i have to write for flask
jrke: from flask import Flask, render_template,request,redirect,url_for
jrke: my header ^
eulerscheZahl: write:
pip freeze > requirements.txt
eulerscheZahl: in your terminal
jrke: done
eulerscheZahl: ezpz
jrke: ezpz?
eulerscheZahl: you are too new on CG to experience most of MadKnight first-hand
eulerscheZahl: easy peasy
Zenoscave: bah so close to legend
eulerscheZahl: did you depromote in UTTT or where are you struggling this time?
Zenoscave: GitC
eulerscheZahl: that's one of the easier legends IMO
Zenoscave: Don't have a table of troops yet. It confused me
Zenoscave: If I could work that out I'd probably be legend.
Zenoscave: I make inaccurate moves sometimes
jrke: deployed the website
jrke: https://firstakshat.herokuapp.com/
Zenoscave: That or if I can more aggressively INC
jrke: but error :(
eulerscheZahl: but the error message tells you what to do next
eulerscheZahl: do you have a Procfile?
jrke: no
eulerscheZahl: that's mandatory
eulerscheZahl: to define the entry point of your application
eulerscheZahl: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/30178792/heroku-flask-tutorial-procfile-meaning
jrke: https://github.com/Jrkej/trial/tree/master/web
jrke: my rep^
eulerscheZahl: Add files via upload
that git skills
jrke: yeah i uploaded
jrke: whats the ext oilef procf
jrke: whats the ext of procfile*
eulerscheZahl: no extension
eulerscheZahl: check my repo
eulerscheZahl: and i see that you have everything in a web subfolder. that might cause problems too
eulerscheZahl: at least requirements.txt and Procfile should be in the root
jrke: ok
eulerscheZahl: and you will need a guincorn in your requirements to use it in the procfile
jrke: i made procfile.txt how to remove txt now
jrke: web: gunicorn setup:app --log-file=-
eulerscheZahl: first make it Procfile, not procfile
eulerscheZahl: which operating system?
jrke: microsoft
jrke: windows 7
eulerscheZahl: oh dear
eulerscheZahl: in the terminal i should be something like
move procfile.txt Procfile
eulerscheZahl: windows has a weird default to hide file extensions. not sure if you kept that. if not, just rename the file in the explorer
eulerscheZahl: at this point MK would suggest a teamviewer session :D
Zenoscave: Oh I miss those days
eulerscheZahl: "how's your bot?"
"which one"
"don't know"
Zenoscave: good times
eulerscheZahl: KiwiBleu even created an alt to keep MK busy explaining CSB
Zenoscave: I remember that
Zenoscave: Or am I thinking of Struct
jrke: move procfile.txt Procfile worked
eulerscheZahl: where is my struct? :(
Zenoscave: no idea
eulerscheZahl: i broke him with the JS part :sob:
jrke: MK said struct remains online on discord
eulerscheZahl: i see him as offline
jrke: same error after procfile also
eulerscheZahl: i told you a few more things to do
eulerscheZahl: i'm tempted to just make a PR to your repo at this point
Zenoscave: give a coder a PR...
Zenoscave: give a man a fish..
eulerscheZahl: with a git commit -am "fix it"
jrke: PR?
eulerscheZahl: pull request
jrke: no shortforms to me
jrke: ;)
eulerscheZahl: give me a second
jrke: today i made my first git hub repo :stuck_out_tongue:
eulerscheZahl: god dammit
eulerscheZahl: now you made 3 commits after i changed your repo contests
eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/eulerscheZahl/trial/commit/288b773341e2c224714c5379e4cff97eaa476b25
eulerscheZahl: and you even deleted relevant files
jrke: im putting those files to rrot
jrke: oot*
jrke: root*
eulerscheZahl: i made a PR, you could just accept that and move files instead of delete + create somewhere else
eulerscheZahl: and learn git ;)
jrke: hmmm....
eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/Jrkej/trial/pull/1
eulerscheZahl: there should be a merge button
jrke: yes
jrke: should i click it?
eulerscheZahl: only if you trust me
eulerscheZahl: or review the changes first
jrke: yeah trust you more than me in case of coding
jrke: merged
Raki_17: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/clashofcode
eulerscheZahl: now this might already do the trick. if not, you should have a closer look at the Procfile i think
eulerscheZahl: or check the logs as suggested by the error message
jrke: yeah
jrke: worked
eulerscheZahl: \o/
jrke: where is my background
jrke: https://firstakshat.herokuapp.com/login
eulerscheZahl: GET https://firstakshat.herokuapp.com/static/Bg.jpg 404 (NOT FOUND)
jacek: happy Caturday
eulerscheZahl: you too
jrke: will see it after breakfast
eulerscheZahl: it's about 11:30 am where you live, isn't it?
jrke: yeah it was 11:30
jrke: my time table messed up
jrke: actually not mine
jrke: whole family
RobertSaunders: anybody here working on target firing?
RobertSaunders: im stuck on the swarm in the ide
RobertSaunders: i pass the rest of them
RobertSaunders: the only thing i think may improve it in terms of success would be to recalculate the turns to kill after each shot is fired but that would greatly hurt the complexity of the solution
jrke: euler fixed background
Xedux: earhbrsgfnmsfxgsnfhymhfbx bgrsnfnsf fgntn xfbf
Marchete: moin
eulerscheZahl: great jrke. what was the problem with the background?
eulerscheZahl: moin markot
eulerscheZahl: Marchete
eulerscheZahl: stupid tab completion
jrke: the pic was named "bg.jpg" instead of "Bg.jpg"
eulerscheZahl: :D
eulerscheZahl: works fine on windows
eulerscheZahl: but i'm pretty sure heroku uses Linux
jrke: case sensetive
jrke: yeah i think so cause in my laptop it was working in bg.jpg also
TheSilent_Boy: hi
TheSilent_Boy: anyone for python here
jacek: ohai
Marchete: now the webchat opens a new tab with a number, and it just says "Loading..."
jacek: it happened for me the other day
Marchete: :eyes:
Marchete: eulerscheZahl I'm using C# for testing DotsAndBox
Marchete: and it seems the .Net core brings new things
Marchete: System.Numerics.BitOperations.PopCount
Marchete: for example
Marchete: any other goodies useful for CG multis?
Westicles: huh. http://www.js-games.de/eng/games/ is gone, euler must have scared them off
eulerscheZahl: oh :(
eulerscheZahl: that was totally not my intention, i just told them to fix it
Marchete: The requested URL was not found on this server.
eulerscheZahl: now that it's down I can tell it in public: that site was vulnerable to SQL injection
eulerscheZahl: i put myself on #1 and probably would have been able to get some user data as well
Marchete: oh euly tables
eulerscheZahl: i know the xkcd you are referring to :D
Marchete: :D
eulerscheZahl: so, i informed admins about it and gave some more funny ideas
eulerscheZahl: like: set the username on the first board to
Marchete: great, now they'll sue you for trying to help
eulerscheZahl: that should create a huge comment
Marchete: evil
Westicles: Maybe they are just upgrading, or died in a fire or something
Marchete: seriously is that bad?
eulerscheZahl: not funny than bad
eulerscheZahl: btw i broke comments on my teapot contribution
Marchete: I mean the coding and basic protection
eulerscheZahl: the jsgames site was 20 years old. and it aged poorly
eulerscheZahl: the issues were there all the time, just less people with skills to abuse it
eulerscheZahl: i totally didn't want them to take it offline. just sanatize their inputs
Marchete: I'll pick bad scalable achievements for 200$, tom: https://imgur.com/a/YRHgv1r
eulerscheZahl: the "write a comment" is what annoyed me
eulerscheZahl: got lots of "nice", "well done", "great"
Marchete: I mean, if 100k users wanted to pass that, we will have 100k forced contributions
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/52965be9af1e1e9f5b35487a3cc449f24bf2
now the comments are hidden :imp:
Westicles: I rejected some poor guys contribution and didn't even get the achievement
Marchete: I approved them
eulerscheZahl: did it get rejected in the end or still pending?
Marchete: because f*ck that achievement
Marchete: I mean upvote
Marchete: not approved
Westicles: It had two rejections and now seems to be gone
CyberLemonade: ok so what's the deal with the teapot contrib?
CyberLemonade: for upvotes?
eulerscheZahl: hm, i'm collecting puzzle stats for my herokuapp
so i could generate some stats about when they were created, possible clustering after the quest map
eulerscheZahl: the teapot is to demonstrate the possibility to have 3D on CG obviously
eulerscheZahl: did you run the code?
eulerscheZahl: someone just commented my teapot. but not showing :D
CyberLemonade: what's herokuapp?
CyberLemonade: yeah I run the code, it was cool
eulerscheZahl: http://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/
CyberLemonade: wow
CyberLemonade: is it more than just CG?
eulerscheZahl: has a usersearch for google codejam
eulerscheZahl: but the puzzles is CG only. including clashes
Marchete: seriously, you scare me
eulerscheZahl: why?
eulerscheZahl: creative commons license :)
Marchete: ah, you just hacked me
eulerscheZahl: ???
Marchete: you hack everything, that poor js-games, codingame....
eulerscheZahl: yeah, i'm sorry about js-games :(
eulerscheZahl: and i broke struct :(
eulerscheZahl: made him deal with javascript for a CG contribution and he just disappeared
CyberLemonade: ooof
eulerscheZahl: have i told you how i extracted email addresses of 2 dozen users on riddles?
dbdr: is extracting public information from CG hacking? :D
eulerscheZahl: nope
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/52965be9af1e1e9f5b35487a3cc449f24bf2
but i broke the comment functionality here :P
dbdr: ah, nice :)
CyberLemonade: how :joy:
eulerscheZahl: write a comment
open in a new tab and reply to yourself
delete the initial comment in the first tab
dbdr: if CG had a bug bounty program, we could become professionals :)
eulerscheZahl: now we have a comment with a null-pointer parent
CyberLemonade: yeah I see it's broken, but how?
eulerscheZahl: known issue already, was posted on discord before
Marchete: or why?
CyberLemonade: Marchete yeah
eulerscheZahl: why:
the quest map
eulerscheZahl: getting comments like "nice", "great" all the time
Marchete: nice
eulerscheZahl: https://cg.desast.re/pages/2020-08-26-carbon-dating-a-braindead-decision.html
eulerscheZahl: my list on nonsense was even longer than this
dbdr: you broke it on purpose because of that?
eulerscheZahl: maybe :angel:
Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/5394c708f825e258fe67189a1639d74b86a9
Westicles: shouldn't I get an achievement for that?
Marchete: I said that forecfully doing contribution stuff just polutes the whole idea
Marchete: it's simply not viable to make everyone contribute with a new puzzle
eulerscheZahl: i'm not sure how often that updates Westicles, maybe once a day only
Marchete: and then they need 5 upvotes
dbdr: I think this had nothing to do with A/B testing
eulerscheZahl: i've seen some complains about the approval achievement already
eulerscheZahl: just wait a bit
Westicles: Oh, I see. It only happens when everyone agrees, not when you act
dbdr: eulerscheZahl: to be fair, your contribution was a good place for nonsense comments ;)
Westicles: I had a nice puzzle started on my deleted account, should have saved it
dbdr: si it's not like you need feedback to decide on publication
dbdr: *so
eulerscheZahl: and i totally agree with Marchete and raised that concern too: quality of contributions over quantity. the quest map rewards creating nonsense
eulerscheZahl: true dbdr, maybe i should just take it down. you guys got the idea
dbdr: I don't mind it
eulerscheZahl: 3 days left, then it will be gone anyways
dbdr: maybe keep it but hidden, so we can still share the link?
eulerscheZahl: that will happen after these 3 days
dbdr: ok
Marchete: that too
Marchete: quality when you are forced to do something vs willing to do it for nothing in return
dbdr: probably the effect was amplified because everyone started to do the quest map at the same time
eulerscheZahl: we had some of those users on the chat before the quests. "i want to create a contribution but i don't know what"
dbdr: in the long term the effect will be much lower
eulerscheZahl: maybe JB M went a little over the top
dbdr: so unlike him ;)
eulerscheZahl: making a screenshot of the comments. and saving it as a jpg, seriously? :D
dbdr: better than a docx ;)
eulerscheZahl: you won this round
dbdr: \o/ :D
dbdr: but "and at the end, the germans win" ;)
Ashen_024: dbdr what's that badge beside your name, (new here)
dbdr: moderator
eulerscheZahl: chat moderator, can kick and ban you
Ashen_024: Alright
dbdr: and welcome :)
Marchete: DotNet has BitArray, so I don't need to recode C++ bitset, yay! \o/
eulerscheZahl: BitArray is slow
eulerscheZahl: at least used to be when i tested it with Mono
eulerscheZahl: maybe the .net one is more optimized
Marchete: really?
Marchete: f*ck
eulerscheZahl: give it a try
Marchete: but they have BitOperations
eulerscheZahl: i wasn't impressed back then
Marchete: and they said it's like popcount
eulerscheZahl: maybe it's better now
dbdr: use the source, Luke
Marchete: http://www.dotnetframework.org/default.aspx/DotNET/DotNET/8@0/untmp/whidbey/REDBITS/ndp/clr/src/BCL/System/Collections/BitArray@cs/1/BitArray@cs
dbdr: code looks weird without syntax highlighting :)
Marchete: 32bits :S
Marchete: https://source.dot.net/#System.Collections/System/Collections/BitArray.cs,19ad3f494f0dc7f6
Marchete: that seems better
Marchete: if (Avx2.IsSupported)
Marchete: I like that
Marchete: but seems too big
Marchete: 1000+ lines
eulerscheZahl: i rarely read library code, i'm surprised by the amount of magic constants they are using
dbdr: yeah, TIL .NET has explicit SIMD
eulerscheZahl: like
Environment.GetResourceString("ArgumentOutOfRange_Index")
Ashen_024: is there a way to compare a character with "\" in c++, because usually its used for codes like \0, \n, etc and i think it can't be used normally to be printed as is
Marchete: System.Runtime.Intrinsics has a lot of stuff
Marchete: AVX, BMI, etc etc
eulerscheZahl: write "\\" to get a single \ Ashen_024
Ashen_024: oww, thanks eulerscheZahl
Marchete: _pdep_u64 and stuff, it's just inside a namespace and not as intrinsic, noice
dbdr: Boss 3 in Langton timesout :D
eulerscheZahl: noob
dbdr: systematically, apparently
eulerscheZahl: wait..
don't touch that game, i have a decent ranking there :(
dbdr: https://www.codingame.com/replay/485319282
eulerscheZahl: i even survived the smits
dbdr: decent + 1 is still decent, no?
eulerscheZahl: hm, the game wasn't always the way it is now (with 2 matches in 1 game)
TheSilent_Boy: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1366871ccacfca59a86f34a6d135a2bce591c75
dbdr: eulerscheZahl = #7
MSmits = #2
eulerscheZahl: maybe the boss didn't get an update
eulerscheZahl: nvm, seems i got pushed down after smits
eulerscheZahl: or smits returned, dunno
eulerscheZahl: no TheSilent_Boy
dbdr: apparently ValGrowth pushed you down
jrke: which game you are talking about dbdr?
dbdr: langton-s-ant
jrke: oh
jrke: just MC made wood 1
dbdr: ignoring the opponent?
jrke: yes
jrke: oh you are in wood 3 submission going on
jrke: i think wood 3 is just for fixing timeouts as boss is also timing out as far i remember
Marchete: intellisense suggested me V[^1] instead of V[V.Count-1] for the last item of a List
Marchete: what's that ^1?
eulerscheZahl: end of list
eulerscheZahl: new c# standard
eulerscheZahl: like the -1 you know from python indexing
Marchete: oh, so a new meaning for the XOR...
Marchete: I love reusing symbols
jrke: thanks euler for seting up my website :)
eulerscheZahl: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/language-reference/proposals/csharp-8.0/ranges
eulerscheZahl: you're welcome jrke
wasn't much left to do if you know which files to touch
Marchete: and slices too
eulerscheZahl: while i like the -1 from python more, I see that it's not an option for C#
eulerscheZahl: should be IndexOutOfRange, would break existing code
Marchete: yes
jrke: -1 is used for last item in list in python
dbdr: it's also dangerous to have a negative index by mistake
dbdr: better to crash than to get an invalid behaviour
eulerscheZahl: true. the ^ makes your intent more clear
dbdr: not convinced it's worth the complication though
eulerscheZahl: so you aren't sure if it needs ranges and indexing from the end at all?
TheSilent_Boy: Hi everyone!
TheSilent_Boy: Where are you people from?
dbdr: indexing from the end
eulerscheZahl: on the one hand it's faster to write
the downside is that it raises the bar for new programmers when more and more syntactic sugar gets thrown in
dbdr: exactly, it's a tradeoff
eulerscheZahl: very non-intuitive as Marchete just pointed out by asking the question
dbdr: could even be a typo :D
dbdr: though I guess that could be true of other syntax
eulerscheZahl: type ^
nothing appears on the screen
eulerscheZahl: type the 1 => ¹
eulerscheZahl: i mean ^1
eulerscheZahl: my keyboard layout is different :D
dbdr: I get that with Alt-^
dbdr: nice, I didn't know, thanks!
dbdr: ⁹
eulerscheZahl: i type ^^ to get a single ^
and whenever i have to use a windows, i screw it up
dbdr: ^ => ^
RightAlt-^ 9 => ⁹
eulerscheZahl: RightAlt?
eulerscheZahl: you mean AltGr?
dbdr: right Alt on the right on space
eulerscheZahl: AltGr+^ = ′
dbdr: it's written Alt on my kbd, but yes, that one
dbdr: I also set up AltGr g a => α
dbdr: works for all greek letters
eulerscheZahl: ¹²³¼½¬{[]}\ł€¶ŧ←↓→øþæſðđŋħł«¢„“”µ·…–
eulerscheZahl: that's why I get with AltGr
dbdr: α² - β³ = γ⁻¹
dbdr: AltGr ^ - => ⁻ also works
dbdr: superscript -
eulerscheZahl: ²·⁷¹⁸²⁸¹⁸²⁸⁴⁵⁹⁰
jacek: �
dbdr: sadly there is no superscript . and ,
dbdr: in unicode
eulerscheZahl: there is a point on half height
dbdr: yeah, middle dot
dbdr: it's not semantically the same, but visually it kinda works
dbdr: https://www.codingame.com/replay/485323480
dbdr: nice hardcoded pattern by blue
eulerscheZahl: should be great for lower leagues where you have your own board
jrke: yeah hardcoded pattern works but in solo board
dbdr: yes, and I don't yet score colors differently, so I see no reason to disrupt it :D
dbdr: I play a coop game now :D
jrke: oh thats the problem
Marchete: eulerscheZahl, there is a new way to do a Deep copy in Dotnet?
eulerscheZahl: huh?
eulerscheZahl: is that a question?
eulerscheZahl: wait, i think i vaguely remember
dbdr: use Deep Learning Marchete ;)
jrke: when i started in wood 5 from that stage i made code which will make me easier to update two color games in upper league
eulerscheZahl: there was something about copying objects and changing 1 or 2 attributes on the way
jrke: and i made wood 2 in 2.5 hours and wood 1 next day
eulerscheZahl: var otherPerson = person with { LastName = "Hanselman" };
eulerscheZahl: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/welcome-to-c-9-0/
Marchete: is there*, yes it was a question
dbdr: there, blue pattern ;)
https://www.codingame.com/replay/485325242
dbdr: that game is quite popular, for a contrib
fasil: hy
eulerscheZahl: it's one of the first community contributions
eulerscheZahl: nowadays it's too many to choose from
dbdr: yeah, and also number just grows with time
dbdr: hy fasil
eulerscheZahl: 2nd community multiplayer, just 2 weeks after vindinium even
dbdr: I mean number of players
dbdr: and uTTT was 0th :)
eulerscheZahl: yes. that one has a massive popularity that i still don't understand
eulerscheZahl: even more than some previous contests
dbdr: maybe because TTT is so easy and famous?
eulerscheZahl: maybe
eulerscheZahl: bitrunner is a little over-performing compared to other games with similar age
dbdr: because of WarGames :)
dbdr: BR because of unoff contest maybe
dbdr: or masochism
eulerscheZahl: did they redesign the category tags on the overview page?
dbdr: yes
dbdr: btw uTTT was released the day BotG ended
dbdr: I know I started it because of the end of contest void, maybe others too
eulerscheZahl: yet the number wasn't around 1k instantly
eulerscheZahl: it slowly climbed
dbdr: ok
Marchete: unpopular opinion: uTTT is boring, there are much much better games around
dbdr: uTTT is one of the best showcases for MCTS, no?
dbdr: so it has its place
eulerscheZahl: i'm not into it either. but as long as it has its fan-base it deserves to be here
dbdr: strange, I promoted not that high above the boss, and won 9/10 in wood 1
dbdr: probably the skill curve is rather flat
dbdr: but #2 is way above #3 and #1 way above #1 :D
dbdr: so not true at the top
dbdr: #1 > #2
ZoeLogiiK: O.O
ZoeLogiiK: This is my first time using This website.
eulerscheZahl: welcome to CodinGame
ZoeLogiiK: How much do you guys use this platform?
eulerscheZahl: oh dear, i don't want to talk about my addictions now
dbdr: :D
Marchete: euler use it only once
Marchete: for 4 years straight
eulerscheZahl: luckily i already had my bachelors degree when i found out about CG
Ashen_024: 4 years? why didn't i hear about this platform earlier man, I'm loving it here
Ashen_024: I'm already in last year of my bachelors now
eulerscheZahl: for the multiplayer section the website exists for 6 years already
eulerscheZahl: the puzzle section is even older, maybe 8 years
ZoeLogiiK: Yea, I just recieved my bachelors a couple of years ago
ZoeLogiiK: BUt I haven;t really took the Coding route.
ZoeLogiiK: Wondering if this a good platform to acutally get better in Python.
Marchete: no
dbdr: yes, if you aready know the basics, it can be a good plaftorm to practice and have fun at the same time
jacek: we have apparently two opposing views
MSmits: I guess it depends on what skill level you're at
MSmits: at the start it's definitely good practice, but maybe when you get ready for some bigger projects, CG may teach you some bad practices
MSmits: this is true for any language
MSmits: I would horrify professional c++ coders I'm sure
MSmits: hey Marchete, I am trying graphs for D&B
MSmits: for the endgame solver that is
MSmits: it's pretty difficult
jrke: MS any new strategy for D&B
MSmits: are you asking me?
MSmits: currently, I am trying to get a working minimax for non-simple loony endgames. I think I am getting close. It's difficult because I am not used to graph structures
MSmits: and also, because this is a very complicated graph
MSmits: lot's of disconnecting and reconnecting strings between joins and such
MSmits: and some joins connecting to themselves through loops
jacek: graphs eh
MSmits: it makes sense to use them for the endgames for complex structures
MSmits: the most complicated ones have around 12 joins (less than 1 out of a million), but most have less
MSmits: that means that the graph will have at most 12 nodes, but there can be many links between them
Marchete: in fact I'm trying in C#
Marchete: easier for graphs than C++
MSmits: and if you remove 1 link from a 3-join, it's no longer a join and it's joins are merged
MSmits: Marchete thats true.
MSmits: I have to say i am doing it differently from that paper you shared though
Marchete: well, I'm not copying it either
Marchete: I dislike "subchains"
MSmits: what are you doing for chains and loops?
MSmits: is a chain or loop a single object or multiple connected ones?
MSmits: say you have a chain of length 4, is it 4 objects, or 1 object?
Marchete: Gamestate->chains->boxes
Marchete: anything is a chain
MSmits: ahh ok, I don't have the boxes
MSmits: just the chain
MSmits: it has a size
MSmits: the reason is that for the game state i still use the bitboard, I only convert to a graph when the endgame starts
Marchete: for me a chain has N boxes
Marchete: and each box E edges
Marchete: ahh
MSmits: that way the graph is very simple
MSmits: in many cases just 2 nodes with 6 or so strings
Marchete: anyways I'm just testing stuff
Marchete: like just enjoying it
Marchete: reading, coding a bit and that
MSmits: yeah, i am kind of enjoying it, but sometimes it's frustrating
MSmits: you remember dancing links right?
MSmits: I was trying to use that method of disconnecting and reconnecting strings
Marchete: ahh
MSmits: but it doesnt work, because the left of one join doesnt necessarily connect to the right of the other
Marchete: I just do the dirty way, floodfill to detect new chains
MSmits: so you have to track more information
Marchete: not very advanced
MSmits: ah I do the floodfill one time
Marchete: but I think metadata from graphs are important in that game
MSmits: when converting from bitboard to graph
MSmits: yeah i think I may need to do more with graphs, but I want to focus on getting an endgame solver first
MSmits: my next working bot will play random moves until end game starts and then play perfectly
MSmits: I am guessing that will probably be easy top 5
MSmits: will be a while still before I get all the bugs out and make it work in my live bot
dbdr: you have a dead bot? ;)
MSmits: yeah offline
MSmits: it's ded
dbdr: rip
MSmits: just a local program I use to experiment with. It's kind of fun to generate different endgames and try different things to solve them efficiently
LeRenard: publicity : Hello. I updated the Penguins game. It is now possible in league 2 to push another penguin in the sea.
eulerscheZahl: Penguins game? :confused:
eulerscheZahl: tell me more about that
dbdr: it's in contrib
LeRenard: in contribution. Multiplayer in Work in Progress
LeRenard: https://www.codingame.com/ide/demo/85088816f2a1919ad6fe6e453e9e07a9dd368e
eulerscheZahl: i totally missed that
eulerscheZahl: found it now
LeRenard: :-(
eulerscheZahl: tux on hex board, nice
eulerscheZahl: "ach ice block contains a quantity of fishes"
is there even a plural for fish?
AntiSquid: looks like a CNN problem
AntiSquid: yes euler
eulerscheZahl: indeed
MSmits: watching CNN right now
eulerscheZahl: better than Fox & friends
MSmits: :P
MSmits: yeah
AntiSquid: the exact opposite of neurons MSmits
MSmits: lol
dbdr: but LeRenard is a fox :thinking:
AntiSquid: good game idea though LeRenard
MSmits: it looks cool!
MSmits: that animated gif :)
eulerscheZahl: the wing part is edited
eulerscheZahl: also saw it with putting a foot
MSmits: no doubt, but still cool
eulerscheZahl: can't download sourcecode :(
LeRenard: I clean the code and i will release it
LeRenard: If the game has success. Il propose it and release the code
Legen: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1367023de03d4af2b2eac6129590422f787d0b8
Legen: let clash
Legen: any one
SobhanBera: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/13670431ce1c3f51c4fa9d2b279465a7273e7ef
SobhanBera: guys Join fast
eulerscheZahl: go to #clash if you want to share invites
SobhanBera: thanks
SobhanBera: eulerscheZahl
JBM: hello #world
eulerscheZahl: hi
jacek: the games is hexes, ms' favourite
DmcPhuc: share code yasuovn
DmcPhuc: iq vo cuc the :L
jacek: :?
DmcPhuc: this game so hard
jacek: thats what she said
LinhT.Nguyen: vo nao ae
LinhT.Nguyen: chien thoi
2berkir: what kind of question is this
linjoehan: What's a good place to learn java if you can code already, like a crash course or something?
eulerscheZahl: learnxinyminutes.com
Asta971: codingame ?
KiranRandhawa: I feel like the question isn't very clear
KiranRandhawa: ah wait there's more if you read on
KiranRandhawa: ah I get it
stabgan: yo my nig
Cybgy: What's the schedule for "Fall Challenge 2020"?
eulerscheZahl: mid november
Cybgy: Thanks
eulerscheZahl: well done reCurse
was staring at the chat for a few seconds to understand what happened, completely missed that line at first
Zenoscave: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/7290c7d8-44df-4395-b1c3-b0026d354270
Zenoscave: eulerscheZahl I think my path dists are wrong. I never use the middle (0) factory
eulerscheZahl: looks fine to me
eulerscheZahl: that's mine:
Zenoscave: must be some other bug then.
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a4b8b39c-bc8a-4a20-99b8-6ac04c882b15
Zenoscave: Minimizing hops is good?
Zenoscave: I thought you'd want to maximize
eulerscheZahl: i do maximize
eulerscheZahl: wait...
Zenoscave: I read the wrng sign . nevermind
Zenoscave: You definitely maximize
jacek: best tactic ever https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/485386930
eulerscheZahl: booooring
jacek: i found your alt https://www.codingame.com/profile/6ccb225d1fc9ddad3d560dcbbca318290479111
Zenoscave: lol not quite
eulerscheZahl: saw this user too
eulerscheZahl: some other guy even proudly shared a replay of beating me
eulerscheZahl: wasn't me as i pointed out :D
dbdr: frecurse
dbdr: :D
cyberfrend: I have to count the circles in a number and the last test case was 5648 1124 8956 5487 5624 45556 564561 215487 and the expected output was 15. How is that 15?
jacek: what other number did you expect
cyberfrend: ah they don't count the 4 as a circles nevermind
eulerscheZahl: i guess it's https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/14469b605b22b1554aa3fc5746dea60ebf37
cyberfrend: Also it seems like clash of code uses amount of characters as a criterium. What's the rational behind that? Why not performance?
Enknable: that's only in code golf
cyberfrend: What? So how do they decide who wins Clash of Code?
Enknable: code golf is # of characters, everthing else is who submits first
Enknable: given that you get 100% on the test cases
cyberfrend: @Enknable okay thanks for the clarification
jacek: there are 3 modes chosen at random for clash. fastest, reverse and codegold
darkhorse64: jacek does not like my oneliner Top Bronze HS bot.
darkhorse64: Don't understand why
Bobbadillio: lol, can you get top bronze just by playing the most expensive card you have in hand, and maybe attacking?
Denshire: so I just started the Spring Challenge 2020 and I can't see any width-height constraints. Are there any?
arthurguedes: start it :)
arthurguedes: pls
arthurguedes: pls
arthurguedes: i dont want to wait 1:06 minutes
SPDene: wrong chat arthurguedes ?
Denshire: Hey, friend, I think you're looking for the clash chat.
arthurguedes: ohh, im sorry, yeah haha
Denshire: no prob :)
AntiSquid: you should be
AntiSquid: how's life everyone?
DomiKo: really slow right now
AntiSquid: true
DomiKo: can't wait for october
AntiSquid: or maybe they are fast in the background?
AntiSquid: things are fast *
DomiKo: that could be it
AntiSquid: must run a system debloater
DomiKo: ohh yes
DomiKo: everybody need that I guess
MandresyAndri: hello
Zenoscave: If you submit after a promotion does it reset the promotion?
ProjectAlchemist: ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
ProjectAlchemist: hello
DomiKo: Zenoscave no
Enknable: Warning: your code did not read all available input before printing an instruction, your outputs will not be synchronized with the game's turns and unexpected behaviour may occur.
Enknable: Anyone...?
Enknable: Only happen periodically..and I'm reading all the input..
MidSizeTexan: Yes, I get that all the time. :)
MidSizeTexan: Happens when you take too long before writing to output.
MidSizeTexan: Or when you write to output before all the input is read
Enknable: hmm..I'm using high:res clock to break out of my loops and setting them 30ms before the time limit
Enknable: If I have member functions in a struct, and I implicitly copy that struct, will it only copy the struct member variables or make copies of the member functions as well?
DaNinja: just the variables
Enknable: I kinda thought so. I was hoping I could redefine the functions outside the structs and shave off a huge chunk of time but..
Enknable: :weary:
RobertSaunders: anybody here working on target firing?
