LeBaoHoang8A4: how to move the ribbon in wood2 tron battle? i 'don't understand
KYUMA: :)
jacek: good morning
TheTaskmaster: is it possible to compete with a specific person?
TheTaskmaster: like, a 1v1 battle
McCheng: Yes. You can start a private clash.
TheTaskmaster: in fantastic bits
TheTaskmaster: how?
Putnam3145: for bot stuff there's just the players at the bottom
Putnam3145: you can delete one and replace with anyone in your bracket
TheTaskmaster: aight thanks
LinhT.Nguyen: guys what does expected nothing means
LinhT.Nguyen: even though outputing nothing is not mentioned in description
SPDene: your output was too long: it was expecting ABC and you output ABCD
LinhT.Nguyen: i see thank you
TiziToure: hello who can explain me why I don't get my
TiziToure: 50xp on the battle of clash ?
sayori: ds
sayori: aSD
sayori: X
TheSilentCommitter_79c9: interesting
logfk: How to use this website?:thinking:
Q12: How to do nested loop in the Stub generator input?
eulerscheZahl: loop a loop b read x:int
Q12: thanks a lot
Q12: I want to make loopline inside a loop how to do this?
Q12: Never mind I did it :grinning:
Putnam3145: how's score determined in bot stuff
Putnam3145: the leaderboad at wood 1 here is kinda disturbing
eulerscheZahl: Trueskill
Putnam3145: boss is at 19.57, i'm at 17.38, everyone else is at 11.56 or below
Putnam3145: only the top 5 are above 0
eulerscheZahl: you gain score for wins and lose score for losses.
but how much depends on your current and opponent score
Putnam3145: oh no
jacek: thats logical isnt it
Putnam3145: only the top 13 of 83 here are failing to timeout
Putnam3145: it's logical but, like, one sec, lemme verify something
Putnam3145: oaky yes, it sure does appear that I can't even get close to the boss's score
Putnam3145: ...despite literally winning every single simulated game
Putnam3145: including against the boss
eulerscheZahl: hard to believe
Putnam3145: https://i.imgur.com/l6hyNf2.png
Putnam3145: https://i.imgur.com/A7AgFDk.png
Putnam3145: https://i.imgur.com/hpZmMd5.png
Putnam3145: i can't even finish a simulation against the #2, it timeouts every time
eulerscheZahl: you lost 1-3 vs the boss
Putnam3145: that's kinda frustrating, since I straight up can't recreate that in IDE
Putnam3145: wait no after 4 (!) wins in a row it managed to generate a losing one
eulerscheZahl: if you are stronger than the boss and just got unlucky, resubmitting may help
Putnam3145: only complaining cause I've tried that 3 times and I get consistently *far* worse results than I might expect lol
Putnam3145: well, tried that and like
Putnam3145: made adjustments, which might actually be a BAD idea
eulerscheZahl: the fact the you are using D makes me curious: how did you find CodinGame?
Putnam3145: previously non-coder friend told me about it
Putnam3145: they had no idea that you could use D on it, but that was the deciding factor for me deciding to actually try it anyway
jacek: D? deciding factor?
Yimir: Language
jacek: bloody hell
hem123: is there like a game where you will train on pandas"
Putnam3145: listen
Putnam3145: i'm allowed to use D on personal projects, basic fast scripts I need to whip up and nothing else
Putnam3145: and I find it actually pretty fun
eulerscheZahl: nothing wrong with it. I was just curious because parts of the D community were very active on the forum and "enforced" that D was added to the CG platform
Putnam3145: i can't imagine any other way it'd get here
eulerscheZahl: so I was curious if you found your way from the dlang forum
Putnam3145: it's strange just how quiet they seem to be for being so very loud
Putnam3145: for the most part it's just shouting at each other that someone ought to advertise it
eulerscheZahl: they left almost instantly after CG added D
Putnam3145: i don't particularly know what to call the D attitude
Putnam3145: i think the problem is that D doesn't really have a particular "thing" that its supporters love to pimp as much as e.g. Rust people do
Putnam3145: personally I like the template system, and how much you can do at compile time in general
Putnam3145: more than anything
Putnam3145: Rust allows a lot of that but it's... "verbose" is the wrong word, it's mostly just difficult to read
jacek: is D as performant as C++/Rust?
Putnam3145: in practice, absolutely not
Putnam3145: it's a garbage collected language
Putnam3145: if you're extremely careful about it and use LDC then yes you can get really good performance
Putnam3145: if you compile in -betterC mode it's practically guaranteed
Putnam3145: oh, that and its multithreading is rather easy, but it's not significantly easier than, like, C++20
jacek: woo new puzzle of the week
Astrobytes: Nice to see a 'real' D user who isn't just a zealot :)
eulerscheZahl: yes, what a pleasant change
Astrobytes: Hey euler, my random insult throwing friend has returned:
https://imgur.com/a/HGFYPY9 (bad language)
eulerscheZahl: what have you done to make him angry?
Astrobytes: Nothing, I don't recall ever speaking or even seeing the dude
eulerscheZahl: :D
Astrobytes: He's Australian, so comes on when I'm offline and seems to have a strong desire to swear at me
JBM: stupid me, i solved the puzzle of the week last week
SPDene: simple: just unsolove it, then solve it again :P
JBM: currently looking for the unsolve button brb
SPDene: I think you have to code that yourself :)
Scarfield: ask struct
Scarfield: but is he really cussing at you syteBortsA? maybe he was cheering GO, f yea
Astrobytes: I doubt that dleifracS
Astrobytes: Also, what's an AstroBetys?
Scarfield: xD
Scarfield: "From now on you will refer to me as Betty"
Scarfield: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz1rjq5emKY
Astrobytes: Yeah I got it :D
freezy0001: a
Dlx: wtf, who are people who actually sit here and paste code? when everyone uses 10-15 min, and they have a pretty solution in 28 seconds ;p lololololol, what is the point???
Astrobytes: Some people are fast, they might have seen the problem before. Also, you know there are bots in clashes sometimes right?
SPDene: yeah - I've seen some who "type" 30 lines of code within 10 seconds
Dlx: not possible to write so much code in 28 seconds :)
I heard about bots, are they from codingame, or just people made them???
Astrobytes: Official CG bots yeah, so you have 'someone' to compete with when there aren't any human opponents
Astrobytes: It tells you on their profile that they're a bot I believe
Astrobytes: The captchas are there to prevent people writing their own bots but maybe there are some. Also pretty sure some people copy/paste from time to time.
eulerscheZahl: i'm confident I could write a clashing bot.
the captchas would just stop be from running it for a while without any input from myself
Astrobytes: Yeah, the captcha system isn't particularly effective in that regard
Astrobytes: Just a pain in the ass for most human players :D
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/tt5bb7
that's one random upvote. how do you even find the contribution now?
Astrobytes: wow :D
SPDene: go to contribute / my contributions? or is that not what you're asking?
eulerscheZahl: rhetorical question
SPDene: what's that?
SPDene: :P
eulerscheZahl: possibility 1: user saved the link long ago, now returned to upvote
Astrobytes: But... why?
Dlx: what is the point of "following" someone in here???
SPDene: oh - you mean how did THEY upvote?
eulerscheZahl: possibility 2 (for lvl29+ users): open puzzle, view contribution
eulerscheZahl: exactly: why? :D
Yasser: congrats first place euler.
eulerscheZahl: thanks. it's a back and forth for months already :D
Yasser: do u work ?
eulerscheZahl: took 2 weeks off :)
eulerscheZahl: but yes: I have a job
Yasser: very Nice.
Yasser: u live in Deutschland?
eulerscheZahl: yes
SPDene: Dlx the only point I've found is that, once you're folllowing someone, you can spam them with invites to CoC (I have no idea why it would let random people do this, and it's really, REALLY annoying!)
Yasser: do u enjoy holidays ? I hope
Astrobytes: Dlx: you can see where they place in multis, puzzles they've solved when you're on the puzzle/multi landing page rather than looking up the leaderboard, invite them to clashes. That's about it for now.
Yasser: nice time to take a break during the pandemic
eulerscheZahl: i just wanted to code on a private project. just felt like it. I can take off without long planning luckily
Astrobytes: SPDene, you know you can disable the notifications now?
Dlx: @spdene maybe if you code in java or a laguage with few clashers, you could want to invite people you are still not friend with :) I do java, and that sucks for small riddles like clash, because there is no reward for well structured code that "speaks" to the reader ;p
SPDene: no I didn't
Astrobytes: Settings->Notifications
eulerscheZahl: go to your profile settings
eulerscheZahl: :/
Yasser: I like the roadmap they added recently
Astrobytes: You can choose to receive invites from people you chose to follow, or not at all
Dlx: is that fall coding competition thing going to be fun?
SPDene: thankyou!!!!! I have several people (i have no idea who they are) who regularly invite me 20+ times per hour
Dlx: Only just started here, so have no idea what it is :)
DomiKo: that will be contest
Astrobytes: SPDene, yes this new-ish feature was a godsend :)
eulerscheZahl: we don't know any details about the fall challenge yet. here's the game from the last contest: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/spring-challenge-2020
Astrobytes: Dlx: We don't know the contest but contest time is usually pretty fun
Dlx: yeah, it was more general, are those type of contests in here usually fun :)
Dlx: as @Astrobyte said ;p
Astrobytes: Good atmosphere, chat is usually buzzing
DomiKo: yes
eulerscheZahl: imagine it being a multiplayer game. but 2k users playing it at the same time
eulerscheZahl: you go to bed at rank 10 and wake up at 50 the next morning
wlesavo: or you go to sleep and wake up in legend
eulerscheZahl: that's my UTG story
jrke: one approval needed for same game
eulerscheZahl: and the cat writing about a planned change in the puzzle discussion. would be better to put it back to WIP i think
Astrobytes: Agreed
Dlx: the spring challenge, can you just enjoy it now like a regular bot game?
Dlx: or whatever the "ai" games are called
eulerscheZahl: yes. only difference: no prizes to win anymore
Astrobytes: All (most) previous contests end up in multiplayer after
Astrobytes: (or optim or puzzles, depending what they were ofc)
eulerscheZahl: the only one I can think of that didn't: The accountant
eulerscheZahl: not much of a loss I think. was similar to code vs zombies
Astrobytes: Yeah it looked really similar
eulerscheZahl: shooting mechanics were different. ash shoots whenever he can and always kills instantly
eulerscheZahl: at TAC you had to target and the damage changed based on the distance
Astrobytes: Ah I see
Putnam3145: i am getting a timeout really consistently in the submitted matches but never locally. this is terrible
Putnam3145: i'm gonna just start spamming plays until i find it
Putnam3145: orr i can just send game parameters to IDE like a sane person
Astrobytes: Don't forget to switch to manual so the seed is the same
Putnam3145: yeah, totally
Putnam3145: and now I know the exact issue
Putnam3145: well, kinda
Astrobytes: It's a start right? ;)
Putnam3145: i think there's an error it's just not showing me, and i'm definitely not getting an input where there should be
Astrobytes: check against the default code
Putnam3145: wow i said "input" when that's the exact opposite of correct
Putnam3145: one of my outputs isn't going out correctly, in a specific situation
Astrobytes: Ah, lol
Putnam3145: which does help, and I figure it's to do with some of the weirder metaprogramming i'm doing
eulerscheZahl: and flush your error stream
Adi137: hih
frontendwizard: typescript is a no go for those clash
frontendwizard: 😅
jacek: huh
AntiSquid: why is there a home button next to CG logo which already takes you to the home page? @_@
Astrobytes: One of the great mysteries of our time.
jacek: clicking on logo isnt obsvious
LinhT.Nguyen: hehehehehehe
AntiSquid: Automaton2000 ban
Automaton2000: but it's just my guess
LinhT.Nguyen: hehehehehehehehh
AggYzz: imagine using rust for coc
Allis: I do think it'd be cool if there were a "performance" mode for Clash where execution time was the winning metric, but I realize it'd be too subjective.
Uljahn: there is such mode, it's called "multiplayer ai bot programming" :smirk:
Astrobytes: beat me to it
Allis: Aye, fair enough, but that doesn't have the right-now excitement factor attached.
Allis: I'm sure it can still be a high-pressure situation, just not in quite the same way.
Astrobytes: You should try the next contest :)
Allis: I'm terrible at programming. :sweat_smile:
Astrobytes: So? It's fun, you don't need to be a god to enjoy it
Astrobytes: It's a 10 day clash
Astrobytes: Of bots
AntiSquid: but you can make the argument there's no 15 minute time limit on multis
AntiSquid: (i hate clash either way)
Astrobytes: Yeah, that's why clashers clash I guess. Not my thing either.
AntiSquid: was a response regarding the compilation time mode for clash
Astrobytes: ah right
cjzw: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/48905c39-361d-41a1-adfe-b17314dd5371
tmwilliamlin168: :
AggYzz: yoo
AggYzz: hello tmw
AggYzz: wassup
tmwilliamlin168: hi
DomiKo: using rust for coc?
DomiKo: i use c++ for coc
DomiKo: so?
DomiKo: iam crazy?
Putnam3145: what's coc
jacek: k
DomiKo: Clash Of Code
Putnam3145: oh
Putnam3145: who uses only one language for clash of code
DomiKo: iam not using only one
DomiKo: but most time I use c++
DomiKo: and I mean
DomiKo: language is language
DomiKo: only in shortest
DomiKo: it make difference
Putnam3145: i use D by default but switch to C++ for anything that involves individual character manipulation, python for anything that I think might use list or set comprehensions, Ruby for anything involving string manipulation and often for golf,
Putnam3145: yeah but some things are easier in some langauges
Allis: Nah, the other two are about how quickly you write your program, not how fast it runs, so "scripting" languages are good.
Putnam3145: ruby's string stuff is fantastically quick to write
Putnam3145: same with python's list/set stuff
DomiKo: 10 charactesr more
DomiKo: isn't difference
Putnam3145: what context is this in
Allis: If you think the same program can be written in Ruby and C++ with only a ten character difference, you're not thinking straight. :P
Putnam3145: `void main()` is 11 characters for one
Putnam3145: int main is 10, sorry
DomiKo: i mean
Putnam3145: i'm staring at D code too hard
Putnam3145: and that's 10
Putnam3145: yes
Allis: Empty string is 0...
Putnam3145: but {} is 2, and ; is each one
DomiKo: iam thining about not whole program
DomiKo: when we are talking about shortest
Putnam3145: yeah, but shortest code sure does
DomiKo: then yes
DomiKo: its more than 10
Allis: When speed is crucial, I can't think of any good reason to use any even remotely verbose language.
Allis: Speed in the sense that's relevant to Clash, obviously.
Allis: C++ is a great language, but only in certain contexts.
Putnam3145: though i do have to say
Putnam3145: i don't actually know ruby
Putnam3145: i only know that it has easy regex syntax
Allis: It has easy everything. :P
Putnam3145: mostly for CoC i use D cause it's supreme at quick-and-dirty
Putnam3145: especially since, for some baffling reason, they decide to start you out with `import std`, giving you access to the entire standard library
Allis: That doesn't seem terribly unreasonable.
Putnam3145: it does when there's two toUpper functions which clash
Putnam3145: ...which is why I instantly switch to python or ruby upon seeing strings, mostly
AggYzz: python with strings is so op
AggYzz: it has a method for everything
Allis: @DomiKo Sorry; Ruby has that too. :P
AggYzz: one i used yesterday is str.title()
DomiKo: Allis i cliked testcases
DomiKo: idk why
Allis: Haha! I did too. Bad habit.
Putnam3145: oh and if i want ranges that AREN'T sets or lists D is boss
Putnam3145: C++ is pretty good but the template syntax kinda makes me weep
Allis: How's that? Ruby's ranges are *amazing*: (1..10) === 7 # => true
Allis: @AggYzz Ruby has 192 methods on String out of the box, which is nuts. But Python does win when it comes to really nice slicing.
Allis: str[::-2] is very, very nice.
Galaxy_001: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/52580dbb0a8f3ee2f6ab36eb1e90510eca7e
Putnam3145: str.retro.stride[2]
Putnam3145: str.retro.stride(2), rather
Allis: Ooh, that is pretty good.
Putnam3145: it gets kinda ridiculous with the chained UFCS at some point though
Allis: Also kinda scary that ranges are mutable, apparently.
Putnam3145: nah, that just gives you a view into the original string, which is actually just an immutable(dchar)
Putnam3145: uh
Putnam3145: immutable(dchar)[], rather
Putnam3145: my brackets, they are not good today
Allis: Hm? I just meant that D's Range has reverse(), which is in-place.
Putnam3145: i've never actually used it
Putnam3145: like, I'm not sure it's even often *usable*? it always seemed like a weird special case to me
Galaxy_001: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/52580dbb0a8f3ee2f6ab36eb1e90510eca7e
Someone downvote my code. Is there something wrong?
Putnam3145: What's the second input?
Galaxy_001: iqweert
2
3
Putnam3145: It's referred to as "a number" twice, nothing more qualified than that
benschreyer: the validator should not be the same as the test case, it should test the same thing but with different input
Galaxy_001: ok
Galaxy_001: thank you both
eulerscheZahl: when was the house next to the CG logo added?
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: In TrollvsCastles, let's say you throw 9 stones. Does the troll go the same distance if you throw 1 stone 9 times? (Assuming the opponent doesn't throw any)
PAINANDSUFFERING: E
PAINANDSUFFERING: huh my username didn't update
eulerscheZahl: it did: pain and suffering
PAINANDSUFFERING: Not on my screen...
PAINANDSUFFERING: Maybe if i refresh...
eulerscheZahl: ctrl+F5
PAINANDSUFFERING: Nope refreshing didn't do anything
PAINANDSUFFERING: Oh
PAINANDSUFFERING: nvm
PAINANDSUFFERING: Annnnnd it's back to EEEEEEEEEEEEE
PAINANDSUFFERING: For the codingame sponsored contest, if I "move", by how much does my score increase? 2?
eulerscheZahl: that depends on your movement
PAINANDSUFFERING: :O
PAINANDSUFFERING: I'm assuming that it's different for each testcase?
eulerscheZahl: no, there is a common rule. you just can't say it for a single move without seeing the big picture of it
PAINANDSUFFERING: Okay...
PAINANDSUFFERING: Do you know if any of the inputs give the points?
PAINANDSUFFERING: That would be very helpful...
eulerscheZahl: not given as input
PAINANDSUFFERING: Oh, sad
PAINANDSUFFERING: Hmmm it looks like I can get a score of 16 max on the first testcase...
PAINANDSUFFERING: Just printing A and E...
PAINANDSUFFERING: I get a score of 16 on the first two doing that, but on the rest a score of 2...
AduVjpDev: hello dudes :>
PAINANDSUFFERING: :<
eulerscheZahl: so it's time to figure out what the other inputs stand for
PAINANDSUFFERING: Nope I gave up already, I'm moving on to crystal rush to figure out why that's wacky
PAINANDSUFFERING: :p
eulerscheZahl: or you play the spring challenge
PAINANDSUFFERING: Spring challenge?
PAINANDSUFFERING: I missed that one
eulerscheZahl: last contest
PAINANDSUFFERING: Yeah I completely skipped it
eulerscheZahl: so you are the reason why it didn't reach the 5k players
PAINANDSUFFERING: :O
PAINANDSUFFERING: I'm sorry...
eulerscheZahl: about 4950 competed. biggest CG contest ever
nsasupreme: dont talk to me
PAINANDSUFFERING: So if I had joined the number would have increased by 50...
PAINANDSUFFERING: I'm that popular?
PAINANDSUFFERING: :O
eulerscheZahl: you are not the problem alone, but you are part of it
jacek: its like nonvoters
xzxy: .
Allis: "The drop doesn't feel responsible for the flood."
PAINANDSUFFERING: :(
PAINANDSUFFERING: I'm sorry
PAINANDSUFFERING: See, this is why my username is pain and suffering
jacek: eeyup
LATER: hi
LATER: eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
LATER: :rolling_eyes:
LATER: yay i win
Masterpiece: :nerd:
Insufficient: hey guys, quick question: i know sharing competition bot scripts is frowned upon on githubs, so i dont do that
Insufficient: but is it frowned upon to do githubs of your solutions to puzzles also?
eulerscheZahl: not appreciated but it happens. you can find almost all puzzles solved there
eulerscheZahl: official puzzles: probably all, maybe 1 or 2 missing
Insufficient: i'm guessing kind of like the articles people do on CG i'd have to just explain high level what i did and use pseudocode - would that be ok?
eulerscheZahl: community puzzles: at level 29+ you can see the code of the problem creator
jacek: as long as there is more effort than copy&paste solution, i think its alright
eulerscheZahl: sharing the idea without giving a copy-paste ready solution is perfectly fine
Insufficient: ok cool, thanks! yeah i won't share any code that stays in my private repo
eulerscheZahl: i think there are only very few puzzles where you can't find a solution on github or on CG directly after leveling up: community puzzles with animations
jacek: no solution for space maze? :(
eulerscheZahl: not the only animated community contribution
eulerscheZahl: http://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/?q=&category=PUZZLE_SOLO
eulerscheZahl: and for those you don't have to provide a working solution to upload it
tssw: Allis, share, please?
AbundantPuddle: sosnik, good job, but be careful with your variable names. "sum" is a reserved keyword in Python.
jacek: #define true false // happy debugging, suckers!
AbundantPuddle: This statement is false.
PAINANDSUFFERING: E
AbundantPuddle: F
PAINANDSUFFERING: G
AbundantPuddle: R
PAINANDSUFFERING: Z
PAINANDSUFFERING: Well, time to work
AbundantPuddle: Lmao
AntiSquid: AutomatonNN ban the spammers
AutomatonNN: eulerscheZahl is there a way to see the game with the same games as a programmer and the most probab
jacek: where is struct when you need him. i hope he'd make this http://history.chess.free.fr/images/variantes/terachess-II.jpg
sirsatan: @jacek wth ?!
OfficialVaultTec: .
OfficialVaultTec: .
FlashPirate_8aa5: .
MassiveMaster_1978: .
RubyRen: I cannot solve it. I'm gonna cry:innocent:
RubyRen: Could somebody plz stick his/her answer??:dizzy_face:
Allis: Which puzzle?
RubyRen: Mars Lander - Episode 1
RubyRen: :worried:
Gorbit99: iirc, that's just about realizing what you *don't* want, and making the ship avoid that at all costs
Gorbit99: it even helps you a bit
Gorbit99: "As such, a thrust power of 4 in an almost vertical position is needed to compensate for the gravity on Mars"
RubyRen: Thx, finally I solve it!!!!!!! Spent me a night and a day....
RubyRen: I thought it very difficult like a physical problem, but actually..
RubyRen: I don't know the value of power can change,ohhh:joy:
Gorbit99: good job
RubyRen: :smile_cat:
codingmaster69: wassup
slowest: hello
slowest: I'm here from geohot
slowest: geohot is my god
slowest: I worship him everyday
AduVjpDev: ?.?
slowest: You might not understand
McCheng: Yes. You can start a private clash.
