eulerscheZahl: Hjax not here anymore i guess. that's an official referee. you have to modify it to follow the stdin-stdout protocol of the brutaltester
TranQuocHuy: :(((
WINWINWIN: Last 5 min of contest
WINWINWIN: At least I can stay in the top 100 :)
WINWINWIN: contest over, well done everyone
jacek: happy Caturday
WINWINWIN: Happy Caturday jacek
WINWINWIN: Sorry for that previous message on the contest being over :joy: I misread the date on the website...
WINWINWIN: It ends tomorrow
jacek: phew
WINWINWIN: :D
cegprakash: hi all
cegprakash: did the PR contest end?
cegprakash: okay I see it's not ended yet
cegprakash: I don't want to read the problem statement can someone tell it in short
cegprakash: should I try PR1 in order to understand PR2?
eulerscheZahl: no, these are 2 different games
cegprakash: i give up..
cegprakash: tool long to read
cegprakash: I go to paper soccer
Astrobytes: lol, you're some guy ceg
Astrobytes: :D
cegprakash: u missed "awe" before "some"
Astrobytes: lol
struct: ceg nver open Yinsh
Astrobytes: :D
struct: https://i.imgur.com/WZIrtxV.png
struct: I added these
struct: For legal moves
struct: So people dont need to read
struct: I might disable it though
cegprakash: ^ that's not PR2
eulerscheZahl: you mean disable by default and hide behind a togglle?
struct: yeah
struct: Ok, I switched some stuff, now I don't think it looks so bad
jacek: mhm
struct: not submited yet
struct: Ill fix statement next
struct: Ok all done I think
struct: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_complexity#Complexities_of_some_well-known_games
struct: 46000 moves???
struct: on connect 6
jacek: well you have 2 moves per turn
struct: ah
Astrobytes: So LoA or Amazons next?
eulerscheZahl: is that a google question?
Astrobytes: Close, it's a struct question
struct: I don't know yet
struct: I enjoyed both
Astrobytes: Yeah, both great games
struct: I never played any though
struct: I don't really played any of the games I ported
Astrobytes: You can play them online to get a feel for the rules
struct: I would port the river one to change the type a bit
struct: But I don't really like random games
Astrobytes: Try it with both players receiving the same tile
Astrobytes: or the same choice of n tiles
struct: euler do you know where I can find more documentation about SDK?
struct: Version 3.15.0 seems to be released, but can't find any info about it
struct: oh even 3.15.2
eulerscheZahl: it's not in the release notes. so: commit messages
https://github.com/CodinGame/codingame-game-engine/commits/master
struct: TooltipData
TooltipDto
struct: This is new right?
struct: GameResult
GameResultDto
struct: Maybe not
eulerscheZahl: no idea
struct: But yeah, https://github.com/CodinGame/codingame-game-engine/blob/master/playground/misc/misc-3-release-notes.md
struct: easy to see here
struct: "Improve statement editor"
eulerscheZahl: oh, just not reflected on tech.io
struct: yeah
struct: https://i.imgur.com/5mhoEzX.png
struct: way better
eulerscheZahl: they changed default avatars? :scream:
eulerscheZahl: no more king
struct: https://i.imgur.com/hnPNCeg.png
struct: lol
Astrobytes: :D
struct: I think I'm gonna do gota
JBM: how d'you get the pix on the CG CDN?
struct: what do you mean JBM?
JBM: your pictures
JBM: how did you get them linked from CG?
struct: to the replay?
JBM: from the html
struct: ah in the statement?
JBM: yes, thath
struct: ok
struct: I submit the pictures on asset folder
struct: then I do this, let me screen shot
JBM: i don't think i've got an immediate need for this
JBM: but i haven't seen this really documented anywhere, i'mcurious
struct: This is because its not straight forward
struct: Its like fixing stuff with hammer
struct: When you submit a new image on assets folder
struct: https://i.imgur.com/k0tmsal.png
struct: It will create a link
struct: If you dont change the image or delete it, the link wont change
struct: So I just update the statement after, with the link from the previous submit
JBM: so you just name them normally and the sdk translates accordingly?
JBM: gtg, i'll read you later
struct: Yeah, I can put any name, I just need to submit one time to get the links to update the statement
Astrobytes: struct - Othello seems finished, are you planning any more changes?
struct: I think it's fine like this
Astrobytes: Everything seems to be OK, legal moves, valid move input all matches up with viewer and map input
Astrobytes: Seems to be ready for approval imo
struct: Should be
struct: But I think the game gets more visibility on Contribution page
struct: :p
Astrobytes: lol :)
Astrobytes: All default code in all langs works, or doesn't crash at least, I'll give it an approve
struct: Thanks
Astrobytes: :+1:
eulerscheZahl: entries on contribute page: 28
entries in multiplayer section: 45
eulerscheZahl: keep it pending :P
struct: Also dont forget that you get red notification on contribution page
struct: when a multi gets aproved you dont get any notification do you?
eulerscheZahl: no
eulerscheZahl: make it private and WIP again. at least once per day
struct: lol
yassineH: guys how can i find all the puzzle someone contributed...???
yassineH: i only have the name of the user...
eulerscheZahl: http://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/?q=
CTRL+F, enter username
eulerscheZahl: loading the page may take a second or 2, lots of content
yassineH: ok thx
struct: https://i.imgur.com/LdmQT4t.png
struct: :'(
eulerscheZahl: seems i indexed it before you deleted
eulerscheZahl: i still have the bitrunner bosses in my DB (but don't output that part)
yassineH: hello again @eulerscheZahl , the solutions you provided was exact but i could not find one of his contributions.. it is a ClashOfCode i just played few mins ago.. anyways, is it possible that some of the contributions dont appear in that list??
yassineH: *solution
yassineH: if so, then how can i find it...
yassineH: i still have the text of the challenge.. and of course the name of the user..
eulerscheZahl: maybe it's very now and i have to index again...
WINWINWIN: someone approve othello, I want to try it in the arena
eulerscheZahl: 9 puzzles added. try again yassineH
struct: You can work on it in demo
struct: Its just less games played
yassineH: @eulerscheZahl thx alot, i just find it..
eulerscheZahl: note: you can also add a text to filter and search for
eulerscheZahl: that is: a part of the statement or testcases
struct: euler do you think it matter if notation starts from 1 to 10 bottom
struct: instead of 10 to 1
eulerscheZahl: no
eulerscheZahl: as long as it's clear how the notation works it's fine i think
struct: Yeah, I think the same
eulerscheZahl: we have some inconsistency in other games too. e.g. UTTT uses y,x while most others have x,y
eulerscheZahl: much more annoying for me :P
yassineH: @eulerscheZahl btw is this a personal project? i mean that link you shared with me...
eulerscheZahl: yes
eulerscheZahl: there is no official puzzle search
yassineH: that is cool..
yassineH: how do you actualy get the data?
eulerscheZahl: there is an overview page with all approved puzzles. you need level 29 to see them
yassineH: oh, ok..
eulerscheZahl: and opening the page on CG kills the tab because the list is too long :D
struct: :D
yassineH: i see
yassineH: btw i think you search input does not include the sub-title of the items (mean the user name of the contributer "puzzle_type by user_name")
yassineH: *your
yassineH: *meaning
eulerscheZahl: correct: i don't check the username
eulerscheZahl: only statement, testcases, comments made by other users
eulerscheZahl: and the title of course
yassineH: ok thank you again for sharing, and have a nice day
eulerscheZahl: you too :)
struct: euler I need your feedback again, sorry to bother you
struct: https://i.imgur.com/V6lM140.png
struct: Imagine this scenario, white only has 8 moves left
struct: black has 31
struct: Neither of white moves can impact black moves
struct: Should I end game earlier?
struct: Oh this might be a bit hard to do
struct: if piece at d1 doesnt make white stuck
struct: it still has 1 move
eulerscheZahl: guidelines: end game early if it won't change the winner
eulerscheZahl: i don't know the rules of the game to answer that
Astrobytes: It's last man standing struct
struct: yeah astro, but if player cant win anymore
struct: should it continue?
eulerscheZahl: guidelines say: no
but if it's not directly obvious, maybe you should still keep going
eulerscheZahl: lots of complaining users
eulerscheZahl: cegs
struct: He complained about Othello statement right?
struct: I wasnt here at the time, so I dont know
Astrobytes: Implement it as it should be at first, and lets test it
struct: You are right
struct: Ill see how it goes
Astrobytes: Don't forget that people can block their amazons in error
Astrobytes: So losing when they should have won
struct: Yeah, that can happen
struct: But it shouldnt with good bots
Astrobytes: ofc
eulerscheZahl: if it can happen, play till the end
Astrobytes: And even though it's like a two-phase action, I think just keeping it as MOVE_SQUARE SHOOT_SQUARE is fine
Astrobytes: Well, obviously with starting square or unit ID first
struct: will be like a4 a6 a8
Astrobytes: yeah
struct: unitpos moveto arrowpos
Astrobytes: exactly
Astrobytes: afk for a bit
Astrobytes: Hm, a rejection because someone doesn't like it? How about just not playing it?
struct: ...
struct: I saw
struct: I mentioned it in fr
Astrobytes: Yeah I saw
struct: Its just not about being 1 more MCTS game
struct: at least from what I read in fr chat
Astrobytes: Wow
Astrobytes: That's just... not why you reject a contribution
eulerscheZahl: i dislike the troll vs castle game (too random). not a fan of search race either (CSB clone).
but that's a personal opinion, not sure if it would justify a refuse.
you are not forced to play every game
Astrobytes: Indeed.
eulerscheZahl: but :popcorn:
Astrobytes: And as for 0 originality - it's a straight port of a board game...
eulerscheZahl: keep going with more of those games
struct: Also why should we even spend a lot of time on contributions
struct: CG doesnt reward it
struct: Even if I create an original game
struct: it doesnt get promoted
eulerscheZahl: we should stick to what CG gives us and not use our own opinion for moderations: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/contribute---help/contribution-guidelines
eulerscheZahl: Contributions must be original. (for all games but Clash of Code)
i guess that's his point for refusal
eulerscheZahl: but questionable, IMO unique enough
struct: Well how many puzzles use same algorithm?
Snef: original = not close to an existing multi or not copy pasted from a real game ?
eulerscheZahl: other CG game
eulerscheZahl: adding additional value to the platform
Snef: well it is (for me) original then
Astrobytes: Do they think we can't read French or something btw?
struct: If the game was checkers on 10 x 10 I could understand
Snef: othello is one of the easiest board game to play
struct: Well w/e people are entilted to their opinion, I just don't think that was good enough reason to refuse it
eulerscheZahl: reminds me of the wikipedia community (which differs depending on languages)
eulerscheZahl: some are like "if 1 or 2 users read that article and it helps them, let's approve this article"
eulerscheZahl: German community: this topic isn't relevant enough, delete
eulerscheZahl: same here: not sure if i will ever play Othello. But i know a few users who will have fun with it
Astrobytes: Not good enough eulerscheZahl, you must say one thing and chat then reject the contribution and fail to mention that fact
Astrobytes: *in chat
struct: If I hate a game i just ignore it
Astrobytes: ^
eulerscheZahl: my bad. can we have a contribution that gets refused, then reuploaded and approved?
struct: yeah
eulerscheZahl: i know some users who hate it when that happens :D
struct: Nothing prevents it
eulerscheZahl: rhetorical question
struct: ah I answered too afst :p
struct: fast*
Astrobytes: euler's in thinking-ahead troll mode :P
eulerscheZahl: happened a few times in the past, they got really mad
Astrobytes: lol, some people are seriously way too sensitive
eulerscheZahl: understandably if it was a bogus clash approved by some users with green rank
Astrobytes: Yes of course, but otherwise if it was a perfectly valid contribution...
eulerscheZahl: actually I respect them: they raise overall quality. giving justified feedback, editing puzzles even after approval (stub generator, statement, ..)
struct: If I add fog of war, will my contribution be original?
eulerscheZahl: :D
Astrobytes: Oh I agree there euler, in fact a few have stopped even doing so because of CGs rules
Astrobytes: (wrt clashes at least)
struct: Clash is completely differnt from 2 years ago
struct: So many math problems
struct: Its ridicolous
bao555: hi
Astrobytes: I guess it appeals to a certain demographic
yassineH: hello again @eulerscheZahl , here is a "i dont know what i am doing with my time" kind of contribution to the following link you share :
yassineH: eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/
yassineH: contribution :
yassineH: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/5955f9f6-12b0-46e9-9798-fc5fb8b527be
yassineH: #just run this in the console...
yassineH: #sorry_for_wasting_your_time hhh
eulerscheZahl: that style is quite blue
bao555: hello world
yassineH: yap
yassineH: i am a big fan of blue
eulerscheZahl: i might do some visual cleanup one day. definitely needed
eulerscheZahl: but not that blue ;)
Astrobytes: The style is nice if not the colour scheme :D
yassineH: @eulerscheZahl hhhh, i would love to help if you would let me..
struct: are RAIC games original enough?
eulerscheZahl: define a stylesheet that is less agressive and i'll add it
Astrobytes: lol
yassineH: @Astrobytes thx/2
struct: Sorry I got a bit salty
yassineH: @eulerscheZahl challenge accepted
eulerscheZahl: nice
eulerscheZahl: send me a private message in case i'm offline when you are done
Astrobytes: No I understand totally struct
eulerscheZahl: don't let that 1 reaction ruin your day struct
eulerscheZahl: we are still cheering for you
Astrobytes: And you have completely silenced fr by speaking English
Snef: struct create another contrib that is othello with dynamic board size in reponse
struct: Thanks, I'm well aware that my games are not original
struct: Snef I dont even need to do tha I just need to change 2 values
Astrobytes: Physics-based, no board, in space
struct: and it should work
Snef: yea but you need to do another contrib
eulerscheZahl: like coders of the realm :imp:
yassineH: @eulerscheZahl sure will
eulerscheZahl: :thumbsup:
struct: But Snef it will still be dominated by MCTS
Snef: struct i know it was waying that just to annoy those who refused othello ;)
Snef: -w +s
Snef: -t
Stilgart: Astrobytes: #fr is often dead those days :(
Astrobytes: Really? It used to be busy always!
Stilgart: it is during contests
Stilgart: but otherwise, it can be pretty empty
Astrobytes: Ah, I guess it's kinda the same for World. It's been a little busier recently though.
eulerscheZahl: #de is dead
eulerscheZahl: :cactus:
eulerscheZahl: :desert:
struct: To me feels like CG is :(
eulerscheZahl: we need a contest. a real one, not that PR2 fake contest
Astrobytes: Nah, not dead. There are enough regular users who like to hack away at things. But definitely more so than it used to be.
struct: Yeah, contest are what keep site alive imo
Astrobytes: I think if thibpat can coordinate a proper contest with an original contribution it would be a success
eulerscheZahl: or if we can convince Thibaud when we have a game
Astrobytes: Yes, that also
eulerscheZahl: that is: not spoiled and more original than othello :P
eulerscheZahl: sorry struct
Astrobytes: :D
struct: I wouldn't mind, but I don't really have ideas
eulerscheZahl: join me?
struct: Sure euler
eulerscheZahl: private then
Astrobytes: Woop woop!
Stilgart: struct: as I said earlier on #fr, I would rather have you working with others on original ideas
Stilgart: your engines are nice, so are your statements
Astrobytes: Yes, although I'm a fan of the board games it would indeed be nice to see him work on something original.
Astrobytes: Stilgart: re bitboards
https://eprints.qut.edu.au/85005/1/__staffhome.qut.edu.au_staffgroupm%24_meaton_Desktop_bits-7.pdf
Astrobytes: Not sure if it's this one you're looking for but it's useful
Stilgart: it was the one (dwarfie and I had a different link for it though)
Stilgart: struct: I was thinking that, for yout othello, maybe you can sell the bitboard part, which is more original than the mcts part
struct: Sorry, was talking with euler
Astrobytes: Ah ok. It's a very useful paper.
struct: Yeah I agree that working with others might make it easier to create an original game
Stilgart: yep, might be worth to give this link in the statement
struct: I remember this link from Yavalath :D
Stilgart: (I never opened this one... too many puzzles these days)
darkhorse64: This paper is mostly irrelevant for Yavalath
Stilgart: but it is relevant for othello
struct: But I remember it being mentioned around that time
darkhorse64: Sure
Astrobytes: I also agree that a Bitboard(ing) tag should be added struct
struct: There is bitboarding tag
struct: Should I use that one?
Astrobytes: Yeah
struct: Only 1 puzzle uses it, and its not really a puzzle
struct: its a tech io thing
Stilgart: then, you have your source of motivation for othello
Astrobytes: Breakthrough has it
Stilgart: but is is more advanced in othello
darkhorse64: Upvote this game !!
struct: oh so its that one, if I search bitboarding on search bar nothing appears
struct: only tech io guide
darkhorse64: Actually, you can bitboard Onitama, Oware. Yavalath is where you can really do smart things
struct: One day I'll try the games I ported
darkhorse64: For Yavalath, the competition has been really fierce in the top 10
struct: It was quite active
struct: At a time
darkhorse64: I have fond memories of it because I learned really a lot
leojean890: first players have nice openers on yavalath
leojean890: makes me think of gomoku (I played that a lot)
leojean890: 5 in a row without gravity and 15*15 or 20*20 board
darkhorse64: you mean, openings ?
leojean890: yes
darkhorse64: #1 has an opening book
leojean890: I think I am around #30 on yavalath
leojean890: oh ok
leojean890: I watch their games et those openings seem to be really good
leojean890: I hesitated to hardcode the same :P
leojean890: not done yet xD
leojean890: ow it's MSmits
darkhorse64: I have no book except for the first move choice
leojean890: I use my own heuristic for the moment to try to block the opponent
leojean890: so you have something for the first move, and MSmits has more openings
darkhorse64: If he finds a line that leads him to a loss that his bot is unable to solve, he adds it to his book
darkhorse64: He went quite deep in his search
Astrobytes: "quite deep" :D
eulerscheZahl: as in: berserk mode
leojean890: I heard that some people do that for UTTT :P
darkhorse64: The same guy
leojean890: if they lose, they play the situation locally
leojean890: of ok
leojean890: oh ok*
leojean890: and then it's hardcoded :)
eulerscheZahl: only a random map generator can prevent that kind of gameplay
darkhorse64: Yes, it's efficient but is it really fun ?
leojean890: yeah, but it's not possible for every game :P
leojean890: maybe less fun to use hardcode
leojean890: I did it for some optims
leojean890: A*Craft mostly
leojean890: 15 lvl for A*Craft, 2 lvls for CvsZ
darkhorse64: The fun is in the making of the book, the tools, the encoding
leojean890: yes
Astrobytes: Smits loves doing this stuff. The solving (or not), the search, the 'thrill of the chase' I guess
Astrobytes: That's what it's all about
leojean890: making local research opens more ways to exploit :)
Astrobytes: And he's bloody good at it too :)
eulerscheZahl: he's really passionate to play the game for a long time
Astrobytes: Yes, he has an admirable tenacity
leojean890: he seems to go deep on analysis of games yes :)
leojean890: some people do the same for CSB
leojean890: I have just begun this multi
leojean890: with an easy -3vel for the moment
eulerscheZahl: try -e*v
leojean890: oh ok e instead of 3 :P
leojean890: should do a simulator one day for this game and search algo :P
jrke: what is e euler
leojean890: exp(1)
eulerscheZahl: eulerscheZahl in German :P
Astrobytes: e = eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: classic
Astrobytes: :D
leojean890: e = e^1
JBM: i discovered this (U+2107) a few months ago: ℇ
eulerscheZahl: i don't get the message behind that unicode. that's an epsilon, isn't it?
jrke: oh so e=eulerscheZalh another constant
eulerscheZahl: https://xkcd.com/217/
**MostComplicatedUsername will not click on a random link she does not recognize
MostComplicatedUsername: Wow, I'm so smart :stuck_out_tongue:
Dan4Life: Are there bots in clash of code?
leojean890: nope ;p
leojean890: only multis
leojean890: and not all
leojean890: of them
Dan4Life: I keep seeing the same people or they just like playing so much...
leojean890: maybe they are bots
eulerscheZahl: clash of code? bots!
leojean890: or real players playing a lot but I think bots:P
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/leaderboards/clash/global?column=clashescount&value=DECREASING
eulerscheZahl: everything above 10k is a bot
Dan4Life: Ahhh... I see
Dan4Life: So I've been playing with bots this whole time!
Astrobytes: All explained here Dan4Life:
https://www.codingame.com/blog/clash-of-code-time-has-come-for-clash/
jrke: i noticed some bots by my own like tychkorg,lanner,etc
Dan4Life: AlkhilJohn
jrke: is alkhijohn a bot or real man
leojean890: they enable people to be able to play when they want even if no real player is there
Dan4Life: I think he is a bot tho
Dan4Life: So that means few people play cuz I see at least 3-4 evry single match
Dan4Life: How about Unnamed Player
Dan4Life: Is he a bot?
WINWINWIN: No
WINWINWIN: if CG made a bot, they give nicknames
Astrobytes: And lots of real people do clash, just not all the time. The bots use real solutions from players.
Dan4Life: I just found out you could check if they wer e bots from their accounts
CFrost: how?
CFrost: oh nevermind
JBM: eulerscheZahl: it's unicode "EULER CONSTANT" (formerly "EULERS") (epsilon is U+03B5)
JBM: eulerscheZahl: no idea why it's represented as an epsilon, though
JBM: ε ℇ Ε (lowercase epsilon, euler constant, uppercase epsilon)
eulerscheZahl: that's what i see: https://prnt.sc/sz4wj2
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/sz4wqw
JBM: that's mostly what i see as well
MostComplicatedUsername: Dan4Life there are bots
MostComplicatedUsername: Oh lol I just scrolled down
eulerscheZahl: Axel Voss (German politician) detects those by the gmail address. only bots would use a gmail to complain about his politics
leojean890: there are many "unnamed player" on CG right ?
leojean890: even in the top sometimes
eulerscheZahl: happens when someone decides to delete the account
eulerscheZahl: or never set a nickname
struct: even Yavalath has that...
leojean890: yeah, I tjought about the 2nd case :P
struct: on the creator
leojean890: didn't think about account deletion
d-d: are the practice puzzle meant to feel difficult ? cause im struggling
eulerscheZahl: they have a difficulty assigned, from easy to very hard
eulerscheZahl: the latter ones aren't supposed to be easy
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/training/easy
these should be doable when you know the basics
struct: The easier puzzles are, The descent, Power of Thor, horse-racing
MostComplicatedUsername: I keep timing out on the river
MostComplicatedUsername: But I can't figure out how to cut down the length of the loop
eulerscheZahl: share code or idea
MostComplicatedUsername: Ummm idk what my code does I wrote this a year ago
MostComplicatedUsername: lol
eulerscheZahl: and now you are wondering why it doesn't pass? :D
eulerscheZahl: delete it, start again
MostComplicatedUsername: Well, I was reminded of it when d mentioned easy puzzles
MostComplicatedUsername: Okay...
eulerscheZahl: do you store all reached numbers?
eulerscheZahl: that's common among those players who fail to solve it
MostComplicatedUsername: idk, I know that it should work if there wasn't a time limit, because it's passing all the test cases except for the last
MostComplicatedUsername: I think I'll just delete it and start again
eulerscheZahl: I solved that in 21 lines of Ruby (MK mode activated)
Astrobytes: Where did he disappear off to anyway?
eulerscheZahl: the desert where CSB was recorded
eulerscheZahl: the movie scene
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: to merge together as one, finally
Astrobytes: Anton Skywalker
MostComplicatedUsername: O:-)
MostComplicatedUsername: 0:-)
MostComplicatedUsername: huh
eulerscheZahl: :angel:
ekym: gg elym winning
eulerscheZahl: oh, you are not SeizedSilver
Brokolis: eulersche - are you employed?
Brokolis: I am just asking because any time I come on, you are here
Astrobytes: Hover over his avatar Brokolis ;)
eulerscheZahl: i have a job. 35h/week
Brokolis: Alright! Cool
eulerscheZahl: so during the week i'm offline in the morning + early afternoon hours
jrke: so you work 7h a day
jrke: or also on saturday sundays
eulerscheZahl: 5 days a week
jrke: k
eulerscheZahl: except i have holidays
eulerscheZahl: germany is great in that matter: 30 personal days i can take. and some public holidays
jrke: top players in PR2 are resubmitting and wrecking other bots
jrke: siman submits continously one after one
Astrobytes: Yeah, he does that a lot
Astrobytes: Every contest.
jrke: and for a moment currently wala is also doing that
MartinCiaffone: Hi, is someone aged +55 here?
Astrobytes: I lost motivation to play
Astrobytes: I'll go back to it though, it's a nice game
jrke: who is aged 55+
MostComplicatedUsername: lol no one
MartinCiaffone: I am 57 :-)
MostComplicatedUsername: I am 16 :D
BenjaminUrquhart: I am exist
jrke: im 13
MostComplicatedUsername: BenjaminUrquhart how do we know that for sure???
MostComplicatedUsername: You could be faking existence
Astrobytes: Plenty older people on here MartinCiaffone
BenjaminUrquhart: MostComplicatedUsername you'll just haveto take my word for it
MostComplicatedUsername: Ig so :D
MostComplicatedUsername: rip https://www.codingame.com/replay/472639480
MostComplicatedUsername: I need pathfinding
Astrobytes: The 'contest' is almost over and you just realise you need pathfinding. RIP MCU
MostComplicatedUsername: Well I knew that before
Astrobytes: But you failed to implement it.
MostComplicatedUsername: But I never joined to win the contest, I knew that wasn't going to happen
MostComplicatedUsername: I just joined for the sake of joining
Astrobytes: Yes but that's not the point. Play to learn.
MostComplicatedUsername: But... but... random movement ftw?
Astrobytes: You learned some graph theory no?
MostComplicatedUsername: Maybe...
Astrobytes: We spent long enough teaching the basics to you
MostComplicatedUsername: mhm
Astrobytes: You darn well better have remembered it :P
MostComplicatedUsername: I'm using your suggestions rn
MostComplicatedUsername: I just need some way to find the enemy's hq past 1 zone
Astrobytes: Now implement a BFS
jrke: do you know BFS MostComplicatedUsername
jrke: just apply it
Astrobytes: redblobgames.com MCU, have a look on there. Even has interactive examples and python code
MostComplicatedUsername: okay...
jrke: or you can also apply floyd warshall
Hjax: i look at my pr2 bot and its like 150 straight games against just wala and siman
struct: They are spam submiting
Hjax: yeah lol
jrke: yes
struct: You dont notice in contest because there are more players
jrke: wala currently defeating everyone except reurse
Hjax: his record against me isnt incredible
jrke: his battles is 86% and he is 4th currently he is defeating dbdr and marchete i.e 2nd and 3rd but lose with recurse
MartinCiaffone: are there other channels, besides this one?
eulerscheZahl: language channels: #fr #ru #de ...
eulerscheZahl: and you can create your own channels
- MartinsPrivateChannel
eulerscheZahl: huh?
eulerscheZahl: #MartinsPrivateChannel
eulerscheZahl: there it is
MartinCiaffone: Thank you.
eulerscheZahl: probably #es for you
eulerscheZahl: meh, that channel is almost dead
MartinCiaffone: I see, kinda lonely there...
eulerscheZahl: #world is the most active
Astrobytes: Not everyone is a teenager MartinCiaffone, honest
eulerscheZahl: fr and ru have some popularity too. rest is mostly inactive
jrke: hey i wanna ask one ques is javascript little bit like c++
jrke: in syntax
MartinCiaffone: euler/astro - back to work, I expect to return from time to time to learn things. Thx.
Astrobytes: No worries Martin :)
jrke: Othello approved
Astrobytes: But I wanted my leopard-print background :(
jrke: Astrobytes,WINWINWIN and jrke approved Othello
Astrobytes: Yes I see. Did you write a bot for it jrke?
jrke: not yet will work on it after csb
Astrobytes: Then you should not have approved.
eulerscheZahl: i think you even have to set a checkmark on that before you can approve
eulerscheZahl: Stilgart failed
Astrobytes: How do you know the contribution is correct? You can't just take other user's word for it.
Astrobytes: *sigh*
jrke: no i have not written whole but normal code i have written
Astrobytes: Yes, but you're supposed to check the input against the statement, check the input/ouput with the statement and viewer, verify the game mechanics etc
jrke: i did that
Astrobytes: Did you ensure the default code works with every language
jrke: cheked in 4 lang ruby,javascript,c++,python
jrke: and C also
eulerscheZahl: fun story about bender optim approval: used to work, then a pixi update happened, viewer was completely black. got 2 approvals before the 3rd reviewer noticed it :D
Astrobytes: It's also helpful to submit, even if it's just a random bot or whatever. To test against other opponents
Astrobytes: Bugs can arise from real games as opposed to Default AI games
jrke: k
trictrac: hello all, I approved struct othello.
eulerscheZahl: corner cases like crashing opponent: does the crashing player lose as expected?
trictrac: but it's still blocked
jrke: lol trictrac its already approved
Astrobytes: Yes I remember that eulerscheZahl :)
struct: Hello tric trac
eulerscheZahl: race condition trictrac
struct: I guess you aproved at same time
jrke: othello in Bot programming now
trictrac: ok cool it's approved
eulerscheZahl: and the fox already submitted
Astrobytes: jrke - in future make sure you are much more thorough in your testing before approval, OK?
jrke: Ya ok :thumbsup_tone1:
Astrobytes: Cool
jrke: submitted random bot
struct: Who will be the first to beat 1990 bot
jrke: i got 9 defeats out of 9 random bot
eulerscheZahl: because your opponent is very much not random
Astrobytes: I'll put 0.5€ on tric trac struct
jrke: ya i know that
eulerscheZahl: then i go for jacek. just for the thrill
Astrobytes: That's where my other 0.5€ was gonna go, I'll pick darkhorse instead
Astrobytes: :P
eulerscheZahl: smits will manage to beat the fox. but not be the first to do so
Astrobytes: *if* he plays it
eulerscheZahl: true
Astrobytes: (he will)
eulerscheZahl: and that's most of the usual suspects already
Astrobytes: lol
eulerscheZahl: it's always the same players at the top of board games
Astrobytes: I guess Yurkov might join
eulerscheZahl: maybe karl iso too
darkhorse64: Thanks Astrobytes but my bot is not finished
jrke: same here i will work on it tommorrow
Astrobytes: You still have time, don't fail me now darkhorse64 ;)
jrke: and currently gonna sleep its 1 am in INDIA
Astrobytes: Goodnight jrke, get some rest
jrke: ya for sure gn in advance to you also
Astrobytes: thanks :)
jrke: seems trictrac has also random moves
trictrac: yes for the moment random move
struct: You are already beatingf fox?
struct: How?
struct: o.o
Astrobytes: trictrac is a master struct
Scarfield: dayum nice one :muscle:
Astrobytes: that's why I put 0.5€ on him first :P
Astrobytes: AlphaZeros will be incoming. If tric's isn't already!
trictrac: I have a minmax structure ready and only genmove, playmove & eval to provide
struct: Ah I see
Astrobytes: :)
Astrobytes: Planning to try the alphazero approach though right trictrac? Going by your approval comment ;)
trictrac: yes I started on oware and never summit because i don't master the approach -> my alphazero is weaker than minmax
struct: I was gonna port Game of the Amazons next
struct: But I have something else to do atm
Astrobytes: Well, keep trying. I'm sure you'll get there trictrac
struct: This was Astro suggestion
Astrobytes: Yes, I like Amazons
trictrac: I don't know this game
Scarfield: Snu snu?
Astrobytes: It's 10x10 chessboard-based, 8 queens, 4 white, 4 black. You move like a queen in chess, then you fire an 'arrow' using the same move limitations, the square the arrow stops becomes blocked
Astrobytes: Last player able to move wins
Astrobytes: It's used in many papers on game-playing alorithms and such
Astrobytes: *algorithms
Astrobytes: And it's a good game
trictrac: very good proposal
Astrobytes: Thank you, I thought so too.
Scarfield: first you need to be no. 1 in othello in 2-3 weeks :p
Astrobytes: After you HayField :P
Scarfield: HetField? :)
trictrac: for the moment it seems than jacek is providing a killer on othello
jacek: wtf https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/472649406
struct: Wait
struct: Now I see name in IDE
struct: omg :(
jacek: ?
struct: ide/puzzle/othello-1
jacek: nah im just have barely working impementation. i think i will for few weeks for now
Astrobytes: That was a nice win tho
Astrobytes: That means you need Othello-2 struct, Physics Edition :P
trictrac: I a have a bug in eval for sure. no more piece is not good !!
Astrobytes: Hmm :thinking:
Astrobytes: :)
jacek: ah yeah, i was winning short games
jacek: never won against fox and i pushed trictrac down
Astrobytes: Shame on you sir :P
struct: Now he fixed it, we are doomed
Astrobytes: :D
struct: Oh no I have a bug????
Astrobytes: Where?
struct: ah no
struct: its tri trac
struct: It was a lost game anyways so shouldn't matter
Astrobytes: *you* have a bug or the game has a bug?
struct: No bug
Astrobytes: Just fail? :)
struct: He played an illegal move
struct: And I thought there were none
struct: none legal mvoes
struct: and it was his turn
struct: thats why i got confused
struct: but there were plenty of moves available
Astrobytes: Oh ok
AntiSquid: :o othello :o
AntiSquid: and AutomatonNN is in it?!
AutomatonNN: think i got the bugs for a bit of my time
Astrobytes: Hi AntiSquid
AntiSquid: hi
Astrobytes: We've been missing your D submission in Othello
AntiSquid: well i just beat struct with D https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/472653138 first win of the day
Astrobytes: :D
Astrobytes: The balance is restored to the universe
AntiSquid: tryharding on kaggle atm and failing somewhat to understand some of the stuff
Astrobytes: Which task(s) are you working on?
lmntrix: don't know what to do here. I am new here. I need help
struct: What do you need help with?
AntiSquid: i've mainly went through their courses to learn the theory, forgot it since i first did it, forgot the syntax for the pipeline and function calls
struct: hi AntiSqui
AntiSquid: hi
lmntrix: I am new in codingame. I have no idea how to go about the site
III: hi
Astrobytes: Which parts are you struggling with AntiSquid?
AntiSquid: just the syntax and remembering the function names
lmntrix: Please I need help help. Like a guidiance on how to get started in the codingame site
Astrobytes: You'll get familiar again quickly AntiSquid, wouldn't worry about that
AntiSquid: i mean you import some stuff from python ML libraries, put the data through a pipeline, adjust some values, submit and then keep readjusting some few things and resubmit, it's like CG without having to rewrite the referee basically :p
AntiSquid: InvisibleStopwatch_9c1 do the onboarding challenge
AntiSquid: use search bar at the top
AntiSquid: and then try to do some puzzles or some really simple multi othello seems alright for that (don't get fooled by people telling you to do CSB, you'll hate it)
MostComplicatedUsername: (Don't listen to anti, csb is awesome) :D
Astrobytes: aw not this again
Astrobytes: MCU how is your BFS
Pooshlmer: Resubmit as another user?
Pooshlmer: Whoops, mt
jacek: oO
struct: What hapened jacek?
Bobbadillio: So, I'm thinking about replacing my Ultimate Tic Tac Toe HashMap with a BTree in Rust.
Bobbadillio: Should be a pretty easy change, but I feel like I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel :D This almost certainly isn't going to be the thing that gets me 10x more rollouts from turn 2 :/
Astrobytes: How many rollouts do you get on turn 2?
AntiSquid: no but rust is perfect for bot hiding in contests
Bobbadillio: 1800 rollouts
Astrobytes: Ah
Bobbadillio: Antisquid, what do you mean by bot hiding?
Astrobytes: Tried bitboards?
Bobbadillio: I store each subboard for each color as a 16 bit unsigned bitboard
AntiSquid: when you send replay to IDE to try and find out why you lost the RUST bot times out since it's not in release mode so you can' test vs it new ideas
Astrobytes: MCTS?
Bobbadillio: I'm kind of doing MCTS, but not random. Doing a REAL random MCTS is probably a good idea.
Astrobytes: MCTS with eval...or...?
Bobbadillio: rollouts performed by best move on destination small-board. I can't remember what I do with a free play... That actually could be my whole problem right there.
Bobbadillio: I've been away from my code for a few months
AntiSquid: you expand based on probability no ?
Bobbadillio: I choose a node to rollout based on UCT bound
Astrobytes: Also, do you preallocate your nodes and precompute sqrtLog and inverse sqrt?
Bobbadillio: I'm not precomputing sqrtLog and inverse sqrt, but that definitely makes some sense to me.
Astrobytes: Yes, they're quite expensive
Bobbadillio: In terms of node preallocation, I use a zobrist hashing scheme to get node ID, and make/unmake moves
Astrobytes: And a preallocated pool of nodes is useful. Don't make your nodes too heavy either
Bobbadillio: I store node statistics in my lookup table based on the zobrist hash.
Astrobytes: I'm not too up on Rust but I'm guessing memory allocation during a turn is slower than allocating in the 1second you have on first turn?
Bobbadillio: Or at least, the time is less sensitive in the 1 second first turn? I make my lookup table with a capacity that (I believe) allocates all the space I expect to need. (about 2 million entries)
Astrobytes: Rephrased: Guessing memory allocation is slow so best to do on the first turn (my mad, I apologise for the wording)
JBM: so mad
Scarfield: MadstroBytes
Astrobytes: damn you JBM
Bobbadillio: deeply angry :D So angry, I'm going to go profile where my allocations are.
Astrobytes: And you MadField
Scarfield: xD
Astrobytes: lol Bobbadillio
JBM: now that's anger
JBM: True anger
JBM: not like that anger where you just do more sims
Astrobytes: The One True Anger.
struct: Bobbadillio you get those numbers on IDE or Arena?
AntiSquid: i thought true anger is when you delete account
Astrobytes: Ohhhhh yeah Rust debug mode
Astrobytes: good point struct
Astrobytes: That's Truly Giving Up AntiSquid
Bobbadillio: struct, I'm getting my numbers from the Arena, not IDE
Astrobytes: Hmm, fox making a comeback but still losing hard against tric
Bobbadillio: I'd love to have a web IDE that compiled with release mode, but oh well
Bobbadillio: Also, lazy_static would be cool. I've considered doing some compile-time shenanigans with procedural macros...
AntiSquid: someone remind me to do next contest in D
Astrobytes: Will Do
Scarfield: remember to do the next contest in D anti
Astrobytes: ScarFirst beat me to it
Scarfield: yuss
Astrobytes: Lastrobytes :(
Scarfield: xD
JBM: you've been scarfisted
Bobbadillio: Oo
Astrobytes: or Scarified
Bobbadillio: It's a Racer X song!
Astrobytes: Racer X... Paul Gilbert?
Scarfield: lol i wouldnt want to google that xD
Bobbadillio: Paul Gilbert, yeah! https://youtu.be/yfXeO_Ff_Wc?t=57
Astrobytes: I'm no shred fanatic but Paul's a helluva guitarist, more than just a shredder
Bobbadillio: Oh yeah
AntiSquid: Bobbadillio get an avatar that doesn't look like JBM's
AntiSquid: gn8 all
Astrobytes: Other than metal stuff I'm more of a Jerry Garcia type myself (waits for incoming hate)
Scarfield: gn
Astrobytes: gn AntiSquid
Scarfield: tommy emmanuel is sick if you enjoy acoustic
Astrobytes: Yeah I know Tommy, great fingerstyle stuff
Astrobytes: I couldn't pick a favourite guitarist, nevermind a favourite musician
Astrobytes: ('pick' see what I did there)
Scarfield: no but tommy is definately up there for me :)
JBM: pick me! pick me!
Scarfield: CandyRatRecords is a great youtube channel for acoustic guitar players if you dont know of it
Astrobytes: Check out Dick Gaughan, Scottish folk guitarist
Astrobytes: Made some incredible music, a very fine guitarist
Astrobytes: And the only reason I ever tuned to DADGAD
Astrobytes: And check out Pierre Bensusan if you like DADGAD tuning stuff too
Scarfield: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAphofZCkfY i think this is DADGAD as well, but havnt played much for a few years now
Scarfield: but like the scotsman :)
Astrobytes: Sounds like it could be yeah
Scarfield: Andy Mckee is also one of my favourites
Astrobytes: Good taste
Bobbadillio: I haven't been following super close, but has Leo Kottke been mentioned?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7MqKDTUETk
Astrobytes: Check this, sorry for quality but it's lovely Scarfield:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ7oYCx6tBw
Astrobytes: Oh good shout Bobbadillio
Scarfield: listening to Pierre, he can guitar as well :o
Astrobytes: Ohhh yeah
Bobbadillio: This Dick Gaughan guy is pretty good :D
Astrobytes: Check out all his stuff man, he's a diamond
Astrobytes: Anyway, g'night guys, nice chatting. Got an appointment with Better Call Saul and some food
Scarfield: 2 sec astro
Astrobytes: 2 secs expired
Astrobytes: :P
Scarfield: yea trying to find a guitarist that Guaghan reminded me of
Scarfield: will find him for next time, cant remember his name :'(
Astrobytes: Cool, please do!
Astrobytes: gn for now anyway, take it easy
Scarfield: gb
Scarfield: gn *
Scarfield: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG1yUs0ybys Found him, Andrew White, but too late im afraid
Scarfield: Leo Kottke is nice as well Bobbadillio, havent heard his music before i think
yassineH: hi eveyone
yassineH: gn eveyone hh
yassineH: gn @AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: hi
yassineH: good night @AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: eulerscheZahl is there a way to see a problem with the code of the game and the output is easy enoug
AdamB: @SPDene, mind sharing your code for https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/report/12548409a173aab66f1ed29c4e7cb875e0acb92
SPDene: @AdamB done
AdamB: @SPDene ah, so simple. thank you!
JBM: how d'you get the pix on the CG CDN?
