Exa65536: (from the "last battles" page, I mean)
Edrevan: not in the last battles page
Exa65536: is there some other way to get cerr output for the last ply of a game which was played in the league? (as in, not in the IDE)
Edrevan: but if your code truly is deterministic but you dont get the same result, it can be only 2 things : either the opponent's code isn't deterministic, or you barely stay within the time limit
Edrevan: do you measure how long your code takes each turn ?
Exa65536: Yeah, and I pipe that to cerr
Edrevan: are you close to the 50ms mark ?
EvModder: hmm i've noticed something
EvModder: whenever there is a bug in my enemy tracking so that it fails entirely and doesn't track enemies, my ranking for that submit is way higher
eulerscheZahl: oh dear, this is going to be tough
cegprakash: MattSOrme what happened
Icebox: moin :wave:
eulerscheZahl: moin
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl how far do u plan to cause accidents
eulerscheZahl: half of my bot is a big accident
cegprakash: do u plan it like 20 turns ahead?
Exa65536: This is for Ultimate Tic-tac-toe, which has a 100 ms/move limit. And I'm generally well under it, but I currently can't abort mid-iteration and iteration costs are erratic - so I'm just aborting after the first iteration that lasts at least 17 ms. If I could see the cerr output of the last ply of a game where I timed out, I could see how long the last successful iteration lasted and adjust the threshold so it'd have aborted after that
cegprakash: that would be crazy
eulerscheZahl: hell no
eulerscheZahl: impossible to plan that. opponent can switch or move everywhere in that time
Icebox: ceg didn't you say you're using depth 20?
cegprakash: I still do
cegprakash: when I have 20 pellets
Icebox: :thinking:
cegprakash: but I assume enemy doesn't move unless he wants to kill me
cegprakash: I don't have an enemy dummy
cegprakash: which I'll add later tonight
eulerscheZahl: the squirrel just came again to ask for a peanut :)
Icebox: god damn disney princesses
cegprakash: * 2 pacs*
thethiny: When my friends ask me how I went from Bronze to Silver I tell them I changed my IDE and submitted
thethiny: TechnicallyTheTruth
cegprakash: plz don't write that in ur post mortem thethiny
cegprakash: :D
thethiny: :D
thethiny: sometimes you guys are boring :D
eulerscheZahl: when my friends ask me how I ...
wait, I have no friends playing CG :(
cegprakash: I can be ur friend
Durkin: hell man, forget a friend playing, I'd be happy if a single person from my college did this
thethiny: @eulerscheZahl do we have to be in Legend tier to be your friends?
thethiny: @Durkin well I sent the link to 5 of my friends and 2 only played, the 3rd only signed up.
eulerscheZahl: i mean those who know me in person don't play CG
thethiny: that's sad
cegprakash: under lockdown nobody is going to know u in person
cegprakash: we can video chat eulerscheZahl aftr the contest
Durkin: yeah I'll have to send out some links next contest, this was a blast, think I could rope in a few
cegprakash: show me ur code and lets have fun eulerscheZahl
cegprakash: and lets make some gifs
EvModder: eulerscheZahl im playing vs your bot, it seems whichever of us doesn't time out wins
EvModder: lots for me to learn from this game though lol:
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466027661
thethiny: finally beaten clyde
thethiny: π
EvModder: grats!
EvModder: BTW that replay I linked is my IDE code, and it's not as good as it looks
EvModder: I think I lose that game with submitted code, and the IDE code has some big issues they just don't come up in that one
MattSOrme: ffs. Something is wiping my stored neighbours
thethiny: probably your other neighbors
thethiny: stealing your nodes
thethiny: Rank 988/988
thethiny: very nice indeed
EvModder: i often find myself 78/78 because of bad submits
thethiny: same here now
thethiny: everyone in silver is killing my pacs
thethiny: anyone got a seed for 2 pacs?
EvModder: they will do that :)
EvModder: not offhand sorry
thethiny: np
wi_lius: how to set a seed in online IDE?
EvModder: i have to rewrite so much :l
EvModder: i was basing my code on the assumption my pacs always move in the order 0, 1, 2, 3, 4
EvModder: but now i want to change their move order and it complicates things
EvModder: actually nvm i can just add "move_order" member to my Pac class
EvModder: and sort on that
thethiny: changing the order is interesting indeed
thethiny: I always move them in the order 0 -> 4 then I go back and readjust if clashes happen
thethiny: works fine for me
thethiny: anticipating everything is costly
EvModder: i want to prioritize pacs that are "escaping" vs regular movements
DaNinja: why does move order matter?
MattSOrme: i haven't done anything about move ordering. I just always deal with them in order :/
EvModder: by move order i mean the order in which i pic moves for pacs. I keep track of which moves i've already picked so I don't repick them, DaNinja.
so move order lets me prioritize pacs in danger so other of my pacs don't block their moves
EvModder: but i should've give away too many trade secrets ;)
thethiny: orrr
thethiny: you can move them in order
thethiny: then after you're done
thethiny: you check if they were panic and CLASHING
DaNinja: I see, so its for selecting the best move for each pac
thethiny: then you add +1 move to the other pacs
thethiny: in my case I have a path for every pac
EvModder: perhaps i will need to reorganize moves at the end as well
thethiny: if the path gonna block another, I just repeat one step in the path
thethiny: this way if it was gonna speed, it wont
thethiny: or if it was gonna mvoe 1, it'll wait
thethiny: I can beat clyde but not the enemies
thethiny: this is sad
EvModder: eulerscheZahl what is this godliness:
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466041814
EvModder: that trap at the beginning
EvModder: trying to program something that fancy into my bot would be a nightmare
EvModder: i guess that's top 10 strats
WINWINWIN: Wow, the trap is amazing!!
Zandy156: but at the same time he gave up 2 super pellets for no reason
EvModder: every bot has some bugs
Zandy156: should have gotten the double kill at least
fasil: die()
fasil: System.exit(0)
fasil: done
fasil: fi
eulerscheZahl: not the nicest thing to kill you right there :P
EvModder: i am not even going to bother figuring out a way to avoid that situation
EvModder: too next-level for me xD
eulerscheZahl: i don't avoid either
eulerscheZahl: as long as only few people go for the kill, you will just waste turns
eulerscheZahl: and somehow i still lose with 5 vs 4
EvModder: luck
kkhabour: hi
eulerscheZahl: you get all 4 big pellets
EvModder: my bot has such a bad pellet collection strategy that your bot couldn't predict is eulerscheZahl
EvModder: oh, yeah that happened too
eulerscheZahl: my opening is really bad. not just in this game
EvModder: my opening is pretty good for the most part, but i fall apart late game
EvModder: my pacs start following eachother for the last few pellets instead of splitting up
Csipcsirip: hm 40% of my cpu usage was the pow function. lessons learned
EvModder: oh wow
eulerscheZahl: :D
javatar2018: Hi EvModder, can i speak to you in private please urgent
EvModder: i use pow() multiple times for every pellet on the grid, every turn
EvModder: maybe i should rethink that
EvModder: sure
Csipcsirip: precache it in the first turn
EvModder: it hasn't caused me problems yet
EvModder: but i'll keep that idea in mind if i need some extra performance
Doju: Ahhh sht
EvModder: hm?
Doju: i've made a number of questionable design decisions
BenWo: lol morning Doju
EvModder: im in that boat as well lol
Doju: and now i need to change everything related to them
Doju: morning BenWo
Doju: agh
Doju: i think i need to go from cell objects to numpy arrays
Doju: but EVERYTHING is a cell in my thing
EvModder: i also have Cell class
EvModder: but im in c++ so it is okay for me :)
Doju: or at least the precalc distance thing needs to be a numpy array
Doju: instead of a dict
BenWo: just because of performance?
Doju: yeah
Doju: my magic method will do a loooot of array math
Doju: and python apparently doesnt like that
BenWo: yeah I'm not very efficient either, though I'm not really having performance issues yet
kovi: morning
Doju: morning
BenWo: morning kovi
kovi: 1 day to go, first day i am not on top
Zandy156: exciting
kovi: psyho - legend already
karliso - hiding
Doju: ah, maybe i should actually have my cells be np arrays instead of tuples :/
Doju: wonder if that'll break stuff
kovi: euler submit after a day or so
eulerscheZahl: broken submit
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466053556
Csipcsirip: cant break top70 anymore euler ?
eulerscheZahl: not with this :joy:
eulerscheZahl: somehow me local testrun said it's on par with the arena bot
EvModder: i can't break top 20 anymore and idk what i did :(
thethiny: π€΅π»π€΅π»β°π€΅π»π€΅π»
thethiny: @EvModder nothing, others submitted too. I got pushed back by 300
EvModder: yeah but this was in legend league like 5 hours ago
thethiny: oh
EvModder: and it's because of resubmit (i was 14th before)
thethiny: go back to the history
thethiny: and submit your older one
thethiny: and see
EvModder: i'm going to keep fixing-forward
EvModder: but i might do that, just to see
thethiny: just to ease your mind
EvModder: yeah
dbdr: OK, I have an idea how to code a bot, let's do it!
/me is gone coding
**thethiny test
**thethiny is gone coding
eulerscheZahl: https://i.gifer.com/2SIF.mp4
EvModder: i have this line of code:
v = v <= 0 ? --v : -v;
EvModder: except "v" is a more complicated name
eulerscheZahl: refactor it
EvModder: no it is beautiful
EvModder: is
v = v > 0 ? -v : v-1;
more readable?
EvModder: i'll go with that
thethiny: yeah the previous one would give error
thethiny: you can't assign v to --v
Doju: Also i need another grid but that one has to only have the cells
EvModder: but can't you?
Doju: ahrg
Doju: wait no, i need a flat array
Doju: okay that makes things a bit easier
thethiny: submitting...
thethiny: wish me luck
EvModder: gl!
Doju: gl
thethiny: thanks π
BenWo: good luck :)
thethiny: time out lol
thethiny: time to fix the bugs
thethiny: this guy is using random
thethiny: I can't replicate the bug
Doju: Time to change an integral part of my code and pray that everything doesn't break
EvModder: rip
BenWo: I tried that, now I have a cleaner version of what I had before that works worse
thethiny: @Doju π€΅π»π€΅π»β°π€΅π»π€΅π»
thethiny: @BenWo XD
thethiny: I hate it when the replay doesn't produce the same match
thethiny: My attacking works :D
thethiny: List of Last Battles:
- 2
- 2
- 2
thethiny: very nice
BenWo: lol huh?
thethiny: I lost all my battles once I ironed all the bugs
thethiny: this is the system that I want to have but it's not performing well
thethiny: Guess that's my capacity
BenWo: ok that's what I thought you were saying, lol
thethiny: I'm stuck at #227
thethiny: sad life
Doju: This is a miracle
Doju: everything works
javatar2018: how can i avoid blocked pacs ?
thethiny: πππ
Doju: Is there any more sensible way to work with flat arrays where the walls have been taken out than storing the index of the cell in that?
thethiny: rephrase your question pls
Doju: I've been storing dists from cell to every other cell in a dict
Doju: with the other cell as the key and distance as value
Doju: i want to make that a numpy array that consists of only the walkable cells instead of a dict
Doju: but since bfs doesn't return the distances in order it's a bit of a puzzle to put the values in the correct order
thethiny: @AsaiYusuke congrats
Doju: actually i guess i can just initially store them in a dict and move them into a list afterwards
Doju: extra-actually:
Doju: i'll just keep the original dict in place so i don't break anything
thethiny: 100% battles at #72
Doju: That was surprisingly easy
ashikujjaman: which algorithm will be good in silver league?
Doju: ashikujjaman for what goal?
Doju: gathering pellets?
ashikujjaman: yes
Doju: that'll be for you to figure out :P
ashikujjaman: :sweat:
Doju: It's pretty much the point of the contest
ashikujjaman: any hint's?
thethiny: BFS with custom weights
Doju: i'll give you the hint that even naive systems will go pretty far
Doju: if you make them right
EvModder: https://www.codingame.com/replay/466080020
EvModder: eulerscheZahl i eat 3 of yours and you still win
thethiny: damn such a close fight
eulerscheZahl: not very polite of you
EvModder: sorry i am working on that
EvModder: i'm actually about to rip out all my code for hunting enemy pacs because it's hurting me more than it's helping.
eulerscheZahl: let me submit a version without killing. just to see how it ranks
MarKes: Guys, how do you use timer, to kill process?
eulerscheZahl: depends on your langauge
MarKes: C++
eulerscheZahl: #include <chrono>
MarKes: I use: unsigned t0=clock();
but it works more random
eulerscheZahl: auto start = std::chrono::high_resolution_clock::now();
eulerscheZahl: while (std::chrono::duration_cast<std::chrono::nanoseconds>(std::chrono::high_resolution_clock::now() - start).count() < time * (int)1e6) {
eulerscheZahl: and make sure to start the timer AFTER reading the inputs
MarKes: thanks, i will try
Csipcsirip: or a nicer way:
Csipcsirip: auto endt = chrono::high_resolution_clock::now() + 48ms;
while(endt > chrono::high_resolution_clock::now())
eulerscheZahl: peaceful seems to rank a little lower but not much. maybe i need a compromise
struct: rand() % 2
Csipcsirip: its realy hard to tell 1 elo is not that much
dbf: like my boss in uni told me: just take to algorithms from articles, combine them so each is used when it is better and we will publish new article :)
thethiny: you work as a research assitnant?
dbf: no, it was when I was studying
kovi: for the top the trueskill variance can be 3
thethiny: okay I see
kovi: its easy to get stuck in midway and slowly ascend
and it is possible to reach very top and slowly descend
eulerscheZahl: spam submit till lucky start
dbf: I was banned for several minutes of submits yesterday..
struct: I think its like 20 per hour max
struct: isnt it?
thethiny: oh there's a limit?
[Csongor]: You can time out if your program is not optimized enough, right?
thethiny: Guys lol it showed that I lost a battle in arena
thethiny: I pressed play and I won
thethiny: in the arena
WINWINWIN: [Csongor] yes you can
WINWINWIN: but only if you have something VERY time heavy
eulerscheZahl: pretty easy to timeout
[Csongor]: Is pathfinding from every player to every field of the map every turn heavy?
thethiny: yes
eulerscheZahl: no
thethiny: in c++ no
[Csongor]: but if you do a different pathfinding every time (js)
jdyerjdyer: Well, 168 LOC (and the last letter doesn't stand for code) and I'm in Bronze, hovering around 1600 with 70% of battles done. Now I need some sleep and I only have one day to complete a project I estimated at 2 days...Extra features are going to be minimal...At least I got something accomplished today, but was it the right thing...IDK...
WINWINWIN: Nearly 4900 players so far, Will it hit 5K?
eulerscheZahl: number is increasing slower
thethiny: I don't think 100 people will come in the last 1 day
thethiny: I can beat clyde 140-85 yet I'm stuck in low (bad) silver
thethiny: look like I always time out in 35x17 maps
thethiny: which is once every 10 matches
thethiny: Now I'm stuck at #75 cuz of the time outs
thethiny: damn
eulerscheZahl: then you know what to do next: get rid of the timeouts
thethiny: I can't cuz I'm timing out in the flood fill
thethiny: already optimized the hell out of it
eulerscheZahl: i doubt
thethiny: suggestions then?
eulerscheZahl: which language?
Doju: even if you're using python you shouldn't be timing out
thethiny: python
thethiny: the time outs are so random
eulerscheZahl: hm, is it ok to share the BFS here?
eulerscheZahl: quite generic snippet, i'm not sure
thethiny: let me see
darkhorse64: Share the playground or redblobgames
eulerscheZahl: i mean for us to see his code
Cappefra: eulerscheZahl idk but it's a pretty easy google so I don't see the harm in it
Cappefra: oh ok
Cappefra: no idea
Doju: yeah well you can find bfs code anywhere
Doju: if you just google
eulerscheZahl: ok, just do it :see_no_evil:
thethiny: https://imgur.com/a/RksDXaB
thethiny: here is the code
Doju: don't have your visited as deque
Doju: that should be a set
eulerscheZahl: or boolean array
Doju: also what on earth is happening there
Doju: you're doing it from every neighbor
thethiny: "Visited" contain the nodes (tails) only
thethiny: so it's quite small
ashikujjaman: what the uparrow and downarrow means in leadboard?
thethiny: @Doju the inner loop is done for every neighbor
Doju: oh right, you're doing the recursive thing
Doju: i see
Doju: wait, aren't you doing, umm
Doju: basically depth first and every path has a max length of self.max_length
Doju: self.MAX_STEPS, sorry
eulerscheZahl: the recursion seems very weird to me, considering that it's supposed to be BFS, not DFS
thethiny: but it's doing the BFS as intended?
thethiny: I can see that when I project the grid
Doju: its dfs but has the same outcome as bfs
Doju: except that you're doing it super far
Doju: for every path
Doju: i think
thethiny: okay so I realized that I sent the wrong function
thethiny: I need to change my naming scheme
thethiny: the function I sent is working fine π€¦π»ββοΈ
thethiny: https://imgur.com/imNiB5c
thethiny: this is the one timeing out π€¦π»ββοΈ
Doju: now that looks like a bfs
thethiny: πππ
Nerchio: i dont get this challenge i submit i end up at like 80 place and after many hours i am top18
Nerchio: why
Doju: i'm very confused by your use of a deque as the visited
eulerscheZahl: because win rate is too close to 50% to climb quickly
thethiny: I tried list and deque and I found deque to be faster
Nerchio: submiting in gold feels bad because of it euler :D
Cappefra: yeah submitting in gold is awful :(
Cappefra: unless you have legendary code that is
eulerscheZahl: one small speedup thethiny: get_adjacents should not return walls. just cache a list of neighbors that you compute once
thethiny: question, does the first turn include the first playable turn as well?
eulerscheZahl: i don't know if you loop over all 4 directions or have a list stored at least
eulerscheZahl: 1st turn is until your first line of output
thethiny: how do you mean by caching a list of neighbors?
thethiny: like store the neighbor for every node in advance?
Cappefra: yeah exactly
Cappefra: that will help
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/139d3cba-6302-4c05-817b-ba1a05cec202
Cappefra: I use an algorithm similar to yours at the very start of the game and it does it in 20 ms, idk if maybe in python it would take close to 50 ms
thethiny: hmmm, so basically you're storing the neighbors that aren't walls in advance
Cappefra: thing is I'm not using it every turn because the purpose of my algorithm is to store the distance from every node to eich other
thethiny: so that you skip it the next time
eulerscheZahl: yes, faster looping
eulerscheZahl: and you can remove 1 check in the BFS. there is no -1 anymore
Doju: Also I think you're upping the depth by one for every neighbor
thethiny: since it no longer is counted
thethiny: I can just remove it altogether cuz of the check after it
thethiny: != 999
thethiny: oh no nvm
Doju: wait nevermind, no you're not
eulerscheZahl: and i'm not sure about that BFSPoint. seems you are spamming new objects
Doju: also why are you even doing the != 999 thing?
thethiny: if grid[point.y][point.x] == -1:
continue
if visited[point.y][point.x] != 999:
continue
thethiny: this is repetitive
kovi: t1024 has huge lead
eulerscheZahl: writing the distance into an array (class member of that point) would be fater
eulerscheZahl: time to rage quit
eulerscheZahl: someone asked me to sell my code, should have accepted the offer :D
Cappefra: kovi hungarians seem great at this
Cappefra: my wife is proud
thethiny: @Doju it means visited
Nerchio: really euleR? :D
eulerscheZahl: yeah
eulerscheZahl: can you sell me your code ? my school promise us to give a prize for the first 3 student and i need that prize so much
please bro help me
thethiny: hahahaha
Nerchio: lol
Cappefra: hahahaha
thethiny: @eulerscheZahl removing my debug prints solves my timeouts
Csipcsirip: yeah he asked me as well. Is he an anti cheat bot by cg ? :D
eulerscheZahl: debug prints, classic :D
thethiny: that's cuz I didn't know first turn means first output I thought until I read input
thethiny: damn
Nerchio: yea yuo cant have too many printouts
thethiny: time to re submit :D
eulerscheZahl: to much error in general makes you timeout. and the first turn ends after you print to stdout
Doju: thethiny oh i had the same thing lmao
thethiny: I'm climbing up faster now :D
Cappefra: looks like my biggest weakness is getting eaten
Cappefra: no idea what to do about that anymore
Nerchio: roll the dice
Adnmaster: make your pacs switch if an enemy is near
Cappefra: Nerchio now I'll fight you and come back victoriously with a replay where I win
Cappefra: be back in half an hour
thethiny: π
Durkin: haven't actually used a switch command yet
Adnmaster: i use it to make my enemy dead if he comes at me
thethiny: oh wow rank #18
Cappefra: I need to play a bit with my eval function
Adnmaster: what does eval() do?
thethiny: battles in progress 44% and rank 37
thethiny: fingers crossed
Cappefra: Adnmaster it's not a built-in function
eulerscheZahl: eval() executes code passed as a string
Adnmaster: oh
eulerscheZahl: eval is built in. at least in python and javascript
Cappefra: oh ok
Adnmaster: let me look it up on google
Cappefra: then I didn't mean that eval lol
Cappefra: I meant my evaluation function
BenWo: welp, I give up
eulerscheZahl: F12, go to console
eval("3+4")
prints 7
Adnmaster: hey eval is awesome!
Adnmaster: why didn't i use it before...
Cappefra: seems safe! :D
Doju: It's kind of sketchy though Adnmaster
thethiny: what would eval help in?
Doju: why would you need to use that?
Adnmaster: not really, but still seems like a function i could use somewhere
eulerscheZahl: to load code dynamically
Doju: hm
thethiny: example maybe?
Cappefra: Nerchio HA! MADE IT
Cappefra: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466127450
Doju: wouldn't something like dictionaries be better for that?
Cappefra: it only took like 15 tries
Adnmaster: yeah, you are right
Cappefra: does anyone else get the feeling if they watch the last battles outcome during the submit it'll be worse? haha
thethiny: @Doju oh nice I'm close to you now
Doju: nice
Cappefra: uh this actually looks like a promising submit
Cappefra: went up 150 places at 7%
thethiny: damn I was 16 for a sec
thethiny: then Doju disappeared
Doju: ?
thethiny: you were 19
thethiny: now you're gone
Doju: Oh, right.
Doju: i'm redoing my pellet gathering system atm
Neumann: Are there any people in top 30 legend with small depth search ? (<4)
Doju: because the old one was insanely simple and naive
Doju: i think i'll get to gold ez pz with the new system once it's done
Doju: (in a few hours, prolly)
thethiny: good luck
Doju: ty
eulerscheZahl: i guess you would need to ask all top30 players to find out
Cappefra: I spoke too soon, I'm back where I was
Neumann: eulerscheZahl: let's start with you :D
eulerscheZahl: 6
Neumann: Hum
MSmits: eulerscheZahl you time out a lot
eulerscheZahl: in the arena or IDE only?
Neumann: MSmits is the kind of guy to use a small depth, I bet
MSmits: in IDE I had like 10 crashes out of 100 games, but I just witnessed one in arena as well
eulerscheZahl: then i should do something about it
MSmits: Neumann my search depth is huge, but it doesnt help much
Cappefra: by depth 6 you mean 6 pellets or 6 turns?
eulerscheZahl: 6 turns
MSmits: I can do depth 8, or 10, or 12, but it performs the same
MSmits: which is, good
Cappefra: ok so like 12 if you have speed
MSmits: but i have other problems
Neumann: No less than 8
thethiny: I ranked up way higher just cuz I changed my heuristic from -5 on hostile enemies to -20
eulerscheZahl: depth 8 is a little better offline. but too slow
Neumann: Any tricks to break the top 30-40 limit besides good farming ?
thethiny: my depth search is 9
eulerscheZahl: why do you want to know Neumann? having a low depth yourself and curious if that's what it takes?
thethiny: when it's > 2 pacs it's 8
Neumann: eulerscheZahl: yes, currently depth 4
Neumann: Going further would require a major rework
Neumann: I am wondering if depth 4 can do better by working on other aspects of the game
Peudoki: the trick is always good farming
eulerscheZahl: and that's exactly where i fail :(
MSmits: I fail everywhere else :P
Neumann: What about enemy tracking ? Is going full farm always better than being extra cautious ?
eulerscheZahl: tracking helps to know where to farm
Peudoki: being cautios based on tracking is hard to pull off
Peudoki: but watch some Romka games
Neumann: Ok, tracking what pellets could have been gone. But what about tracking "the enemies at the corner"
MSmits: for me, full farm seems to be the only thing that works. Every time i try to factor in opponents, my bot gets worse Neumann. But that's mostly because I havent found a good way
wereii: are there any limits on threading/async stuff? dunno if that could be used for some of these games but just thinkin
thethiny: after our battles are over, do we get to battle Clyde?
jdyerjdyer: My pacs hurt. They be so dense. I'm out of time now. So much for reaching past bronze in this contest. Thanks anyway. Anyone else's head hurt?
thethiny: or only during the progression?
Adnmaster: my head is explode
Csipcsirip: have an other pac, which sees through the corner Neumann :p
jdyerjdyer: The rules seemed to go from easy to okay to global thermo nuclear war.
Neumann: Csipcsirip: I always forget about the x-rays
Neumann: /flip
jdyerjdyer: "Sometimes the only winning move is not to play." lol
Cappefra: MSmits same for me! I'm glad to hear that, means I can still climb a lot if I keep working on my farm
eulerscheZahl: knowing the enemy around the corner can help
eulerscheZahl: sadly CG deleted some replays already that i wanted to share
eulerscheZahl: i intentionally change my direction when i predict the enemy to walk around the corner, not seeing me
eulerscheZahl: sneaky ninja kill
Neumann: Sweet
Doju: That's pretty neat eulerscheZahl
MSmits: yes Cappefra, my farm bot that came in 2nd on monday, basically got to legend without any modifications, the bot sees all opponents it cant ignore safely as blocks and otherwise just farms
jdyerjdyer: Probably didn't help that I've only had the 12 hours from today that I sort of stole from other projects to try this contest. I'll still meet deadlines, but one of them is going to be tight. lol
jdyerjdyer: Anyway, my bed calls to me at least for the 3 and 1/2 hours I can spare tonight. Best of luck everyone. One of these days I'll get to participate without any conflicts....at least one can hope. G'nite!
Cappefra: MSmits that's great, I'm trying to improve my farming but it seems like all my submits now are only doing worse
Cappefra: best I've made was 150 gold with the same exact code that got me to 350 just 15 minutes before
MSmits: ah yes... dont use the submission as a measurement
MSmits: try playing 100 games vs yourself or something
MSmits: with random seeds
Nerchio: so who do i get enemy id?
MSmits: you mean arena id?
Nerchio: agentId
MSmits: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/spring-challenge-2020/Nerchio
MSmits: I always get it from there
Nerchio: thanks
Nerchio: so can't get a boss then?
MSmits: there is a way to do it in cg bench
MSmits: i forgot how
MSmits: someone else will know
Neumann: -2
Neumann: Is the ID of the boss of your current league
MSmits: helps to have the creator in chat :P
Neumann: Or use 2941103, it's the gold boss
Cappefra: 51% win rate fml
MSmits: I still use your tool a lot Neumann, thanks for making that. Wouldn't have any nr 1's in any arena if I couldnt test my bots like that
Neumann: :D
Cappefra: what do you do with the agentId?
MSmits: it's your opponent
MSmits: it's like playing in the IDE
MSmits: only without the browser
Neumann: https://github.com/s-vivien/CGBenchmark
Cappefra: it uses the submitted code then?
MSmits: no
MSmits: you provide it code
MSmits: a file
MSmits: so you can test without submitting. however, it does get in your play "slot"
eulerscheZahl: there used to be a browser addon too. but it stopped working long ago
eulerscheZahl: CG spunk
MSmits: dont forget that, or the next time you submit, it will be your test that gets submitted
Cappefra: oh wait I only opened the stat tool
Cappefra: thanks guys
thethiny: @AIshock it's funny how our pacs print the exact same messages
thethiny: it's like we think the same
Nerchio: playing against myself is completely useless in this gae
Nerchio: its a draw 99% of the time :p
dbf: just play 1k games to see the diff
Nerchio: haha damn
Nerchio: poor servers
eulerscheZahl: Neumann i found one of those kills i was talking about: https://www.codingame.com/replay/466153064
eulerscheZahl: didn't help in the end
thethiny: I submitted 5 times in 5 minutes
thethiny: I hope I won't get submit ban
eulerscheZahl: first you get captchas
Doju: It's just the stupidest bugs that take the longest to find...
thethiny: @Doju our first and only fight
https://www.codingame.com/replay/466156924
Doju: i was looking for this for like 25 mins:
Doju: cell.dists = [array of numbers]
Doju: for dist in cell.distances:
Doju: "NoneType is not iterable"
thethiny: lol
thethiny: Collided with enemy with the same type!!!
Enemy at (16, 9) of type DEAD
Switch to None
eulerscheZahl: python...
Doju: xD thethiny
eulerscheZahl: every compiled language would tell you what's wrong instantly
thethiny: I didn't handle DEAD yet
thethiny: @euler that's why I love C++, but it's not good for competitions
Doju: thethiny look at the leaderboard
Doju: Oh this is gonna get expensive...
thethiny: whtat's with it
thethiny: Oh I meant
thethiny: not good for me
Doju: ok
thethiny: since I don't like handling dynamic arrays
thethiny: which is what competitions are good at
Doju: god damn
Doju: i wrote some fancy recursive collaboration code
Doju: and i'll time out if i use my fancy new logic
thethiny: oh nice
Doju: with that
Doju: ...
thethiny: oh not nice
thethiny: turns are taking me 3ms
thethiny: but the first turn goes up to 1.1s
Doju: o.o
Doju: Or i guess i'll at least try
Doju: maybe i time out maybe i dont
Doju: if i do i'll have to make this smarter
thethiny: Can't I just beat clyde to advance?
Doju: Nope
thethiny: Do I really have to play others?
thethiny: I mean I always beat him
Doju: :/
Doju: Hmm i got some fancy new probability things working
Doju: Now i have other numbers on my grid than 1 and 9 :D
BenWo: cool XD
BenWo: yep, me two days ago beats me today
BenWo: usually badly
thethiny: I beat Clyde 3 times in a row
thethiny: then lost to EdgeCase 3 times
thethiny: I'm 2nd now
Cappefra: what's the multiName for this contest? I don't see any in the IDE URL
Cappefra: Also I suppose as language I should tip C\# cause # are comments?
EdgeCase: @thethiny: sorry, I guess :)
thethiny: GOLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Doju: gratz
thethiny: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
thethiny: THANKS HOPE YOU'RE NEXT!
thethiny: I can beat the bot
Doju: :o
Doju: 1k in silver exactly
thethiny: I'm winning in goldddddd
thethiny: I can beat the boss of gold at least XD
thethiny: oh god promotion in gold is 1 by 1
thethiny: that's it
thethiny: my life is now complete
thethiny: Goodnight y'all cya next competition
eulerscheZahl: legend is open already
thethiny: I know
thethiny: but I know I'm not that skilled yet
eulerscheZahl: only on league opening you have a larger promotion wave
thethiny: yeah
eulerscheZahl: MSmits
games parsed: 48 timeouts found: 0
duckquackduck: gratz @thethiny
eulerscheZahl: feel free to change my ID in your batch
eulerscheZahl: or test against a stronger opponent
Cappefra: ... I can't use the benchmark tool cause stupid me made his first login with facebook years ago
Cappefra: can't I switch to a different login type?
eulerscheZahl: go to password reset
Cappefra: there it wants my current password which is always wrong cause it's not a CG password
thethiny: @duckquackduck thanks
eulerscheZahl: ask dbdr, he managed to change the login mode
eulerscheZahl: i created a real account in the beginning
dbdr: "I forgot my password"
Cappefra: oh, right lol
Cappefra: thanks guys
dbdr: sorry, won't answer much, in the zone... it might fail miserably, but right now it feels right, so I gotta try :)
thethiny: I stand no chance in gold lol
ashikujjaman: what the arrow sign means i leadboard?
Doju: grid.magic_values
Doju: this is destined to work
thethiny: No idea
thethiny: I don't even understand why my score gets lower the higher I get
Doju: ashikujjaman i think it means your rank has risen
Cappefra: ashikujjaman that's if your points have gone up or down since last change
Doju: or fallen
ashikujjaman: means Up arrow means rank up?
thethiny: yess
Cappefra: eulerscheZahl sorry to bother again but do you know what the multiName is here? the comment says it should be in the URL of the IDE
eulerscheZahl: for me it's 27865409fb226e2168e5d4fd038280cab4e3aa9b
thethiny: Guys I didn't notice the rules change from gold to silver
eulerscheZahl: yours is different
Cappefra: oh ok it's a seed, I thought it should be something like SpringChallenge2020
ashikujjaman: I got 101 rank in silver league my previous rank was 850 But my arrow is down and the value is 23.23:sweat:
eulerscheZahl: just hit play and have a close look at the traffic this generates. then you see the requests and game id ;)
eulerscheZahl: or just copy from the URL now that I tell you, way easier
Cappefra: thanks
Nerchio: its spring-challenge-2020 cappefra
MSmits: eulerscheZahl I did find a win vs you in last battles where you timed out on frame 3. But it might be rare then
MSmits: I guess mostly an IDE issue
MSmits: it's gone now, so i cant prove it
Csipcsirip: yeah euler times out in ide quiet often
WINWINWIN: Should be difficult to optimizze in the top
eulerscheZahl: C# has release mode now
eulerscheZahl: so i'm the next dbdr
eulerscheZahl: IMO it would be the best to use the precompiled bots in the IDE too, when i chose from the leaderboard rather than my IDE code
struct: ^
eulerscheZahl: 1 timeout in 151 matches now
thethiny: that's good
eulerscheZahl: good enough considering that i was at 5 out of 80
WINWINWIN: Why are there timeouts?
eulerscheZahl: because i fail to respond in 50ms
WINWINWIN: But how come it does not happen consistently then?
eulerscheZahl: now i execute some code in turn 1, even if i only need it in turn 2. because of warmup
eulerscheZahl: because i'm close to 50ms. either i get lucky or unlucky
struct: how much faster is release mode euler?
WINWINWIN: K, not a problem that people like me have to worry about then :)
WINWINWIN: I berely touch 20ms as I really dont have much
eulerscheZahl: i haven't measured
eulerscheZahl: could check mean max now. i resubmitted when my bot was broken due to the update
eulerscheZahl: sim count in arena (see my messages) https://www.codingame.com/replay/458176616
eulerscheZahl: IDE https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466200123
eulerscheZahl: i know there are different servers. maybe i got a fast one in the arena and slow in the IDE.
but still a notable difference that can't by explained by the hardware alone i think
thethiny: BTW The push that pushed me from Silver to Gold was that I gave corners less value than normal pellets.
Doju: Alright
Doju: i'm only now assigning real values to pellets. lets see how it goes
Doju: should be ready-to-test in just a bit
thethiny: I'm assigning 0.8 to all pellets
Doju: o.o
thethiny: and 1 if in the seen pellets
Doju: Aha i see
thethiny: so that I prefer a path I've seen than one I didn't
thethiny: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/aabc0289-f3eb-41f7-8469-84deddcfab09
thethiny: and since I don't need corners anymore I got rid of the function
thethiny: and saved 20ms
WINWINWIN: thethiny why are corner pacs worth less?
thethiny: because when u pick them u have to go back
thethiny: so you lost 1 step
WINWINWIN: K, thanks
Doju: thethiny i think that should come naturally from the way i'm making my magic math
Doju: once i get that implemented
thethiny: good luck
Doju: ty
thethiny: goodnight
Doju: night
Dr-D: (mid day here ;) )
thethiny: same here
thethiny: it's 2PM
eulerscheZahl: then have a good lunch
Doju: wwhhat
thethiny: I am up since yesterday
thethiny: working on this
thethiny: cuz last day
eulerscheZahl: still 22h
thethiny: tomorrow I have work so I can't work on it
Doju: how is there only a 1 hour time difference between finland and the uae
thethiny: we're GMT+4
avdg: hi
avdg: (yep, not working on my bot, but trying to experiment with rust now)
Doju: hey avdg
avdg: I'm more interested in computer arch now :p dipping myself a bit into
avdg: branch prediction is amazing
avdg: (if done correctly, without known bloats)
kovi: cmon euler, the other toad is ahead
eulerscheZahl: i broke my bot but right now i don't see where
eulerscheZahl: my version from yesterday is stronger according to offline testing
dbf: do a binary search on your commit log
WINWINWIN: How are you doing offline testing eulerscheZahl?
struct: WINWINWIN https://github.com/s-vivien/CGBenchmark
WINWINWIN: thanks struct
Cappefra: I keep getting internal error with that tool, idk where my config is wrong
eulerscheZahl: that's not offline testing
Cappefra: it goes [ SEED 0 ] ERROR Internal error
eulerscheZahl: i downloaded the repo and modified the main class to use my own bots
eulerscheZahl: i don't use CG Benchmark
WINWINWIN: How many games do you compare against yourself eulerscheZahl?
WINWINWIN: And is there anyway where I can find out how to do that?
MSmits: Cappefra you cant use the IDE while testing with cg benchmark
PippiCoder: Did any of you reach the top?
MSmits: cg benchmark hijacks your play button basically
PippiCoder: Legend league
WaRiOrOfCoDe: every single one talking here is either in legend or in gold
eulerscheZahl: couple 100
Dr-D: <- bronce
WaRiOrOfCoDe: not me
WINWINWIN: How did you find out how to do that?
WaRiOrOfCoDe: i am in bronze
WaRiOrOfCoDe: observation
WaRiOrOfCoDe: i read to get more insight on how others are tackling problem
Dr-D: (cant even write the metal name properly ..)
MSmits: WINWINWIN, they are just good with java. And compiling java programs.
WINWINWIN: Thanks MSmits
WINWINWIN: So no way I can do it then :(
MSmits: sometimes someone shares a brutaltester referee which uses a modified contest referee. You need to make some small modificiation to it to use the brutaltester referee
MSmits: I didnt bother askign anyone for one this time around
MSmits: as I didnt see much value in self-testing
MSmits: cg benchmark makes more sense
eulerscheZahl: i don't even use brutaltester
MSmits: I know, but you use something similar I am guessing
WINWINWIN: eulerscheZahl, so all you did was modify the gamerunner.addagent line?
eulerscheZahl: just the referee itself with my 2 bots hardcoded and playing in a loop
eulerscheZahl: yes, basically
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d1de0264-e28a-4ea0-ab6d-571ef0dab640
WINWINWIN: Thanks eulerscheZahl!, Can I run this on BlueJ as it is the Ide that I use for school?
eulerscheZahl: BlueJ :D
eulerscheZahl: i can't take that IDE seriously
Hvosten: Fifth in silver. I will never advance to gold :D
eulerscheZahl: get eclipse or IntelliJ
WINWINWIN: :D It is what we use for school
WINWINWIN: Thanks, will try that now
MSmits: sometimes a worse IDE is a better IDE
eulerscheZahl: and it's a toy for kiddies, nothing to do real work with
MSmits: thats what i mean, the kiddies dont want to look at all the advanced stuff :)
eulerscheZahl: you click some parts and can't even edit some lines
WINWINWIN: :)
eulerscheZahl: CyberLemonade was using it too
WINWINWIN: Its that bad?
WINWINWIN: https://www.cisce.org/pdf/ISC-Class-XII-Syllabus-2018/25.%20ISC%20Computer%20Science%20Syllabus.pdf
kovi: nice top3
WINWINWIN: This advises the use of BlueJ :D
eulerscheZahl: " BlueJ is strongly recommended
for its simplicity, ease of use and because it is very
well suited for an βobjects firstβ approach"
Dr-D: one to go, kovi
eulerscheZahl: make your own opinion MSmits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pt2cl3lfmI
eulerscheZahl: i see it as an April fools joke
MSmits: will check it out
WINWINWIN: Is that guy serious??
MSmits: what do you mean WINWINWIN
eulerscheZahl: me?
WINWINWIN: Not u eulerscheZahl, the guy making the video
eulerscheZahl: i guess so
MSmits: I can't hear an indian accent now and not think of the KitBoga scammer videos =/
MSmits: they are awesome btw
WINWINWIN: scambaiting?
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: they all have the same accents, presumably Indian
wlesavo: MSmits same but with jim browning
MSmits: ah right there are multiple channels like that
MSmits: but as for Bluej, seems like a legit attempt at simplifying the process for getting a working program in java for students new to programming. But it could have problems I would run into when giving it a serious try
MSmits: it looks like what my colleague is using for his java class, but it might not be Bluej
Doju: Yess its finally not throwing an error
NickStahl: Doju, ready for gold!
Doju: NickStahl I have to finish all the things first
Doju: but for now it's looking decent
Doju: https://www.codingame.com/replay/466247497
Doju: Oh i wasnt even using the probabilities oops
Doju: xd
eulerscheZahl: i didn't know that you watch KitBoga too MSmits
eulerscheZahl: more entertaining than Jim Browning. But Jim achieves that a whole callcenter gets shut down and people arrested
MSmits: i didnt watch it until a week ago or so
MSmits: sometimes you find new corners of the internet
[Csongor]: Can you disable underlines from errors somehow?
MSmits: oh and one time i was called by a similar scammer
MSmits: very confusing
MSmits: it was a woman with an indian accent that told me I had a problem with my computer and that I should turn it on
MSmits: and she worked for microsoft (of course)
eulerscheZahl: me too. told me that i have a windows virus. told him that i have a linux
eulerscheZahl: then he kept telling me about an infected network
MSmits: ah, I actually have windows, so I just told her I'll fix the problem myself :P
eulerscheZahl: :D
eulerscheZahl: i listed for a minute or 2. then i told him what his next steps would be (remote connect, event viewer, netstat, ...)
Dr-D: How did you get any of those calls? I never got any of those calls O.o
eulerscheZahl: he was like "then why are you wasting my time"?
me: "you called me"
he insulted me and then hung up
MSmits: Dr-D randomly, not sure... I never heard of these scams before that
eulerscheZahl: random number? no idea
MSmits: ah, cool, you pissed one off
eulerscheZahl: achievement unlocked
MSmits: If I knew it was a scammer I would have made more of an effort. I was too surprised
MSmits: of course 5 min afterwards I did realize
eulerscheZahl: was tempted to let him connect to a linux VM with weird configuration
Dr-D: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/e18ab760-570a-4d1a-8d61-7bf330386d73
Dr-D: -.-
eulerscheZahl: i3wm: you don't even know how to launch any program when seeing it for the first time
eulerscheZahl: like the vim editor
MSmits: Dr-D these scams are more technical than the spam mail javes Veitch handles
MSmits: james
**Dr-D is too stupid to c&p ..
MSmits: basically they do things like, tell you're getting a refund
MSmits: then use teamviewer on your pc to open your bank. Then do some javascript to make you think you were refunded too much
MSmits: then you have to give *them* money
MSmits: usually with google play cards or something
MSmits: so that there is no bank trace
MSmits: only works on completely clueless people
MSmits: but there are many of those
lifetimeLearner007: Hi all, I'm trying to find closest enemy for switch. checking same x or same y isn't considering if there is a wall in between. Any suggestions?
jrke: hey anybody can suggest me what can i do
jrke: https://www.codingame.com/replay/466255043
MSmits: no easy fix for that
MSmits: though
MSmits: your bot stopped after speed for 1 turn
MSmits: frame 19
MSmits: nah might just be non-sychronized
lifetimeLearner007: no MSmits, the enemy pac has speed, so it looks like our pac stopped
MSmits: hard to see
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: its difficult to see
eulerscheZahl: this guy is quite fun to watch as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll-zBCtVfas
lifetimeLearner007: any suggestions for my question above MSmits?
[Csongor]: lifetimeLearner007 find path to enemy and use the length of the path as distance ( I do this)
Doju: Oh come on...
lifetimeLearner007: check path with what, [Csongor]?
lifetimeLearner007: path length*
Doju: np.average(single_dimensional_array, axis=0) seems to return the average along axis 1 :(
lifetimeLearner007: ok, u mean path length with dx or dy... got it... thanks
Doju: Oh wait, nevermind
Doju: i'm trying to index infinity, i think.
MSmits: lifetimeLearner007 yeah just calculate the distance for each
MSmits: eulerscheZahl it's funny indeed
[Csongor]: So, is it possible to remove underlines from errors?
Scarfield: "They're among us" xD
Scarfield: nice link euler
eulerscheZahl: :)
MSmits: not as good as a video of kitboga keeping a scammer on the line for 4 hrs and make him watch while he redeems the google play codes or use the money to buy stuff on amazon :P
MSmits: the rage is insane
StepBack13: starting in 20 sec
cguzman: @eulerscheZahl how is the code jam?
eulerscheZahl: i failed
cguzman: was difiicult?
eulerscheZahl: difficult to me
cguzman: no so easy like this contest?
eulerscheZahl: just different
PippiCoder: guys , how do you think I could "eat" an enemy pac, is there a number of tries?
eulerscheZahl: i love kitbogas banking website with the security checks
PippiCoder: I see some healthbar but cannot grab it as a number
cguzman: at least you try it !
cguzman: good luck with this contest
EvModder: it's not a health bar, it's the cooldown for changing types :)
Doju: PippiCoder that's not a health bar
PippiCoder: Hmm shit
PippiCoder: That explains xD
PippiCoder: Can enemy pacs be eaten in the bronze league?
Doju: uhhh
Doju: i think so
IAmNoob: hi:)
PippiCoder: One hit and their gone?
Doju: yes
Doju: if you beat them in rock paper scissors
PippiCoder: Hmm
PippiCoder: I see
Doju: hi IAmNoob
PippiCoder: It made me think
PippiCoder: I can speed when I see them xD
PippiCoder: And chase them
Doju: perhaps
MSmits: speed is often synchronized for a long time
PippiCoder: What do you mean by that?
PippiCoder: Synchronised how?
MSmits: meaning all pacs chain-speed
MSmits: they're all speeding at the same time
MSmits: until something happens and they may need to switch
MSmits: that de-synchronizes the speed
PippiCoder: But the command is issued per pac, isn't it?
PippiCoder: I mean speed boost
MSmits: yes, they can all speed
MSmits: the cooldown is per pac
MSmits: so speed whenever you can unless there is a reason not to
MSmits: for example, when an opponent has you trapped and can kill you
SujalAI: Hi I am in wood 1 league
PippiCoder: Hey SujalAI
SujalAI: My program is timing out, I think it's because there are so many loops. Can you help me?
PippiCoder: Do you have it on github somewhere?
PippiCoder: I can
MSmits: eh
MSmits: you're definitely not supposed to have it on a public github
SujalAI: No, I'll p[ut it on github now
MSmits: thats against contest rules
PippiCoder: I didn't know
MSmits: we dont share code during contest
SujalAI: It's just wood league and I'm finding the nearest pellet
PippiCoder: I see
MSmits: at most you can share a snippet to debug
MSmits: but not whole bots
SujalAI: Okay
PippiCoder: I didn't know, sorry
MSmits: in fact this rule is also true for multiplayer arena
MSmits: no need to be sorry, i am just preventing problems :)
Doju: Good guy MSmits
PippiCoder: MSmits do you work here?
MSmits: no
eulerscheZahl: did he share already? i need some inspration
MSmits: lol
Doju: euler :D
PippiCoder: Shit humor
PippiCoder: lol
PippiCoder: Its so dry I need to drink something
jdyerjdyer: Who needs sleep when you can waste 4 extra hours hacking away at pos code only to watch your pacs do was making you go smh. I think I'm done. Can't seem to crack past 1500 in bronze. Brain fried. G'nite for real this time.
jdyerjdyer: btw, was stands for "weird *** ****"
jdyerjdyer: if that wasn't clear enough...lol
MSmits: same for me jdyerjdyer also pretty much done, nothing worked all week after monday :(
MSmits: but learned some new things at least
MSmits: and gn
wlesavo: MSmits that improvement also didnt work?
MSmits: opponent tracking? No not really
MSmits: or opponent pellet prediction, or whatever you want to call it
MSmits: it made things worse
MSmits: as far as I could tell
MSmits: its really hard to tell
wlesavo: this is main problem for me, hard to tell if any one particular feature works
cguzman: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466287263 frame 80 lucky enemy
IAmNoob: wtf
ShannonNorris97: At the beginning of the contest I said I'd be really pleased with myself if I got into the top 500, but at this point I'm making such little progress that I'll be happy to get in the top 1000. I've got some stuff to learn
IAmNoob: at what level do i reach gold?
ShannonNorris97: When you beat the silver boss, which is around position 550 on the overall leaderboard
IAmNoob: no no no no
IAmNoob: at my level
IAmNoob: i am now 23
ShannonNorris97: ohh sorry, I'm not sure
EvModder: MSmits i have been working on opponent tracking for the last 4 hours and i still don't think it's helping me at all
EvModder: lol
EvModder: so ik how you feel
MSmits: yea, I started out liking this contest and I still think it's fine, but my failure at making almost anything work well is getting to me =/
MSmits: after monday that is
Cappefra: I feel exactly the same
MSmits: ooc was also a very complicated contest, but it was a bit easier to see the result of your changes
MSmits: oh... and the changes I did there actually helped :)
JocelynL: I have learned one thing from this challenge: don't sacrifice unit tests because you want to go faster
MSmits: good lesson for me also... my code is too much of a mess to work with now
MSmits: not sure how many bugs it still has
JocelynL: now every little change I make is hard because there are hidden bugs :(
MSmits: I think most people feel that way atm
MSmits: it's pretty common at end of contest, but this one is pretty bad in that regard
eulerscheZahl: :+1:
JocelynL: it's easy to get ahead of yourself because you start with a very simple idea, so you think you don't need tests. And that's the beginning of the end
JocelynL: of course in the professional world we would never do that :sweat_smile:
MSmits: it's a fine line too... how much code do you write before doing the test. It's a different amount for everyone. I used to make more mistakes. I often write like 50-100 lines before a test now... probably too much
Doju: please dont time out please dont time out
Doju: nice, doesn't time out
Doju: Maybe it's time to submit this
Doju: no timeouts pls
PippiCoder: This website is fun in general
PippiCoder: How do you find it compared to other ones like LeetCode?
eulerscheZahl: it's just different. LeetCode, Codeforces and such offer puzzles that you can solve alone and get 100% correct
MSmits: that seems more of a learning website
eulerscheZahl: here you play a game. there is no "solved"/"finished"
MSmits: CG has lots of learning related activities but seems more competitive
eulerscheZahl: i think i confused leetcode with another site
RockyMullet: is there a reliable to way to tell how many turns have passed ? the speed kind of screw the simple way of incrementing a counter on each input
MSmits: I guess the practice puzzles fit the criteria, but they give xp and are not really intended to be competitive
avdg: Making testable code is more important than having tests (though if you do make a lot of errors, having tests are very valuable)
MSmits: RockyMullet inside your sim or in the game?
eulerscheZahl: somehow thought about atcoder, ignore me
avdg: kinda tradeoff speed vs correctness
RockyMullet: MSmits in the game
MSmits: if in the game, just do turn++
avdg: easy to not get it right
MSmits: before you output
RockyMullet: MSmits yeah ok, but it can be wrong
eulerscheZahl: RockyMullet they fixed that bug. always 200 turns, not frames
MSmits: why
SAFAKKARAASLAN: selam beyler
RockyMullet: if a single pac has speed, 2 turns pass
eulerscheZahl: read my text
MSmits: your game will still do one update turn of 50ms
MSmits: or do you mean in the viewer?
RockyMullet: oohhh ok thnx euler
RockyMullet: I missed that
RockyMullet: I just want like a "cap" where it's impossible the game go behond that point
IAmNoob: AT WHAT LEVEL I REACH GOLD??
RockyMullet: ONCE YOU BEAT THE SILVER BOSS
eulerscheZahl: rank above the silver boss
eulerscheZahl: sorry, forgot capslock
IAmNoob: i am level 24 silver
RockyMullet: oh ok you mean the levels
IAmNoob: yeah
RockyMullet: 30 I think
IAmNoob: ok
IAmNoob: thx
RockyMullet: np
eulerscheZahl: OH THAT GOLD. 30 FOR GOLD, 40 FOR LEGEND
IAmNoob: STFU
eulerscheZahl: I NEED A BIGGER FONT
MSmits: :scream_cat:
IAmNoob: OK GO BUY
RockyMullet: someone does like jokes lol
IAmNoob: :)
MSmits: eulerscheZahl, you might be rank 1 again after contest right? I mean overall
RockyMullet: ok last day, time to make my sim lol
MSmits: seems Royal e in gold
eulerscheZahl: no idea, didn't do the math
MSmits: we'll see
eulerscheZahl: fixed my bug, back to ~15
and timing out again
eulerscheZahl: (β―Β°β‘Β°οΌβ―οΈ΅ β»ββ»
eulerscheZahl: games parsed: 70 timeouts found: 5
MSmits: I'm super close to counter balance on Dutch lb, hope this pushes me to rank 1 again
MSmits: he has a lot of points
eulerscheZahl: for germany there isn't really any competition
MSmits: right, you're just taking on France all by yourself
eulerscheZahl: :crossed_swords:
eulerscheZahl: new leader or lucky start?
eulerscheZahl: 2 points ahead
ShlOk: Hey i got 1st in many of clashes but still it shows 1 gold. And how to increse xp in this??
RockyMullet: xp is for puzzles
RockyMullet: and achievements
MSmits: and some other stuff
MSmits: mostly community related
RockyMullet: anything involving other players gives CP
IAmNoob: HOW DID eulerscheZahl MADE LEVEL 52, I AM ONLY LEVEL 24 AND DID LOTS OF HARD PUZZLES
IAmNoob: AND VERY HARD\
eulerscheZahl: i cheated. but pssst
RockyMullet: he made multiplayer bots, gives you a lot of xp
IAmNoob: now for real
MSmits: he did almost all of them, and every contest since he joined and every arena. He's legend in all of them
RockyMullet: like made the game I mean
eulerscheZahl: not really. 250XP for a contribution that gets approved
MSmits: the ones that have a legend that is
eulerscheZahl: no matter of complex multiplayer or boring clash of code
IAmNoob: ok ok ok, this mean i should work on my bot?
MSmits: bot(s)
RockyMullet: most of my XP comes from promoting in leagues
eulerscheZahl: each wood-> legend gives approx 1k XP
RockyMullet: took me a while to reach lvl 30
IAmNoob: MSmits what do u mean bot(s)
MSmits: write 30 bots that get somewhere between rank 3 and 40 and you'll get near euler
eulerscheZahl: twice if you do it in contest + multiplayer in the past (changed now)
MSmits: IAmNoob there are many multiplayer arenas
IAmNoob: ok i did not know
IAmNoob: and this is how you guys make XP?
MSmits: just check out: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming
IAmNoob: ok thx
eulerscheZahl: and don't underestimate upvotes
MSmits: its where most of my xp comes from
MSmits: but not all
eulerscheZahl: space maze only gave me 250XP for approval. but > 750XP for upvotes, was pending for ages
MSmits: oh, nice
eulerscheZahl: https://chadok.info/codingame/leaderboard_xp.html
ShlOk: Can u explain how Achievement showcase are calculated??
wlesavo: space maze still on my list, looks really fun and really hard
MSmits: wow I am ranked quite high in xp
MSmits: did not know
MSmits: only level 34
eulerscheZahl: robo recently solved space maze. even in python
wlesavo: wow
wlesavo: so there is hope
wlesavo: ill ggive it an honest try
MSmits: seems more fulfilling if you do it in python. Means you wrote some great code
MSmits:
Community success rate: 6% lol
eulerscheZahl: when i created it, i wasn't even sure if i should make it easier. i struggled to solve it with a faster language (C#)
IAmNoob: MSmits in what language do u progeam?
AntiSquid: lots confusion was caused by that and the dead pacs change
MSmits: c++ now mostly, but I am more comfortable with C#. These days I almost always drop C# for a faster bot though
AntiSquid: ah chat scroll, wonderful
AntiSquid: does top of legend still feel random?
AntiSquid: just wonder if having well improved bot means more stable rank
eulerscheZahl: there is some up and down
Doju: How do you guys tweak variables?
eulerscheZahl: but you can see that some players are stable in the top region
Doju: It takes forever to submit
eulerscheZahl: not at #1 or #2 all the time, but still somewhat stable in top5
Kellthazar: howdy
Doju: hey
WINWINWIN: Who is the #1 in the XP leaderboard?
WINWINWIN: Far ahead of euler
eulerscheZahl: we don't know
but it's possible to self-upvote. that's probably what happened
eulerscheZahl: maybe in combination with a script
Icebox: recalc still gonna flip everything upside down
eulerscheZahl: create a private contribution, upvote yourself. +10XP
WINWINWIN: Maybe, but how is he at a lower level that you?
MSmits: upside down would be great :P
WINWINWIN: Lvl 50
eulerscheZahl: because lvl50 was the cap in the past
eulerscheZahl: till i mentioned that i'm 51 actually
eulerscheZahl: so they changed that. but only updates when you gain more XP
WINWINWIN: Ok
AntiSquid: isn't that just a test account of sorts as #1 on the xp leaderboard?
eulerscheZahl: CG says it's not their account
ShlOk: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1223937c50b6c90bb8a5bd9249b29783e34f1ce
eulerscheZahl: no
AntiSquid: why don't they remove all the "Unnamed Player" accounts? they are deleted anyway
ShlOk: plssssssss
AntiSquid: hey no clash links here
WINWINWIN: Or did they just not provide a nickname?
AntiSquid: not sure i didn't tell you already ShlOk
ShlOk: Why??
WINWINWIN: Its a spam
AntiSquid: and don't beg people to join either, if they want to play it's ok, but harassing people to play, especially clash, is a big NO
WINWINWIN: contest is more fun anyway
ShlOk: Oh sorry did not know.
Icebox: unless it's eulerscheZahl
Icebox: you can always invite him
Icebox: to play some clash
Icebox: I've heard he's always happy to get invites
eulerscheZahl: stupid "feature" of the platform
AntiSquid: in private, not in chat
WINWINWIN: :D Icebox
cegprakash: hey eulerscheZahl what's ur win rate against me
cegprakash: u and me counter each other
cegprakash: as I have anti accident and u cause accidents
eulerscheZahl: how did you even reach legend?
WINWINWIN: :D
eulerscheZahl: congrats, you surprised me once more
MSmits: it was an accident
AntiSquid: i beat boss when he was at #2 and needed just a bit of extra
MSmits: how does that make you feel AntiSquid
AntiSquid: idk
cegprakash: AntiSquid will be proud
MSmits: do you want to talk about it
cegprakash: of his mate
AntiSquid: well more like saving someone from a sinking ship while i am still drowning i guess MSmits
cegprakash: when I win this contest
MSmits: thats a good way to look at it I guess
AntiSquid: lol ok ceg do it then
MSmits: AntiSquid maybe ceg will end 1 place above me and we can commiserate together AntiSquid
AntiSquid: at least annoy people in top 10 legend with your bot
cegprakash: see I was above kovi 2 days back
cegprakash: and kovi is #6 now
cegprakash: first I'm gonna increase my simulations as it's so less
cegprakash: I only do like 1000 sims
WINWINWIN: I thought CPP does not need to be optimized that much?
AntiSquid: ok then not time to waste in chat ceg go do it
AntiSquid: scramble the top 10
MSmits: I get a million sims in turn 1 :P
pde-bakk: What is legend like now? Are you just trying to counter the other top strategies?
MSmits: dont need optimization no
AntiSquid: i didn't write a sim this time
AntiSquid: well not complete sim anyway
Icebox: 1000 sims but 20 depth? :thinking:
cegprakash: yes Icebox
cegprakash: :D
AntiSquid: feels like you're always forced to write a bloody sim
pde-bakk: @MSmits Ill probably fail but im coming for that nr1 Dutch spot! ;)
cegprakash: + 1000 more for mutations
eulerscheZahl: some like some aggressive pruning
WINWINWIN: isnt 20000 pretty good cegprakash?
lifetimeLearner007: seems it is not enough for him :p
MSmits: pde-bakk you mean in legend or overall?
cegprakash: WINWINWIN turn 1 sims doesn't matter
cegprakash: u are going to speed anyways
MSmits: in contest or overall i mean
pde-bakk: overall
pde-bakk: have yet to crack legend
MSmits: oh ok
WINWINWIN: Hmm, speed on turn 1, will try that
cegprakash: no no don't enforce it
cegprakash: sometimes u shouldn't speed
MSmits: I dont really go for maximum CP usually. I spend much time on the same arena to get as high as possible. I have many games untouched
lifetimeLearner007: how many sims r u getting in subsequent turns, cegprakash?
cegprakash: have like a 99% probablity of speed
cegprakash: or 90%
cegprakash: on turn 1
WINWINWIN: are you using the fact that the map is symmetric in tracking?
MSmits: could probably get 20k cp in 2 weeks if i did some of these older ones
cegprakash: told you only 1000 lifetimeLearner007
lifetimeLearner007: ok, i thought it was for 1st turn
Doju: I have no idea how to set my constants :(
Doju: Seems like every combination is a losing one
cegprakash: I have only 3 variables in my eval
cegprakash: life, pellets and distance
cegprakash: simple the better
Doju: Well you have to give things weights at some point
cegprakash: but only 3
cegprakash: not as complex as other games
Doju: ehh
cegprakash: and I use floats
Icebox: you can always simplify at the cost of performance
Doju: i have weights for how much value pellets get from being close to other pellets, how much that should decrease at distance, how much should my pacs care about distance, how much my pacs care about uncertainty, how uncertain the pellets get
Icebox: you could have literally 1 int: 1 for win state, 0 for not finished and -1 for loss state. With 200 depth you'd have a perfect bot
Doju: i'm not simulating
cegprakash: Icebox MCTS can do that
cegprakash: MSmits is probably using MCTS
cegprakash: :D
WINWINWIN: Skrill taken a considerable lead
Skril: Seems to be luck, will drop soon ;-)
Doju: Seriously my old thing of "go to closest pellet unless a super pellet is within a reasonable distance" got me to rank 10 or something but this varies between rank 400 and 700
Doju: maybe i'll just do that then
cegprakash: oh sheet I just lost a beautiful seed
tobk: aw, heck, Gold boss is random again..
Doju: nooo
Doju: oh, gold boss
Doju: i dont care about that nevermind xd
tobk: so much for "oh, why did my bot do this thing, let's add some debugging output and NOOOOOO!"
ChooJeremy: Is there a way to increase the amount of text shown in the standard error stream?
ChooJeremy: I'm printing 15 lines but only 3 are being displayed
Icebox: there's a char limit
Icebox: that you're probably hitting with your 3 lines
Icebox: and no, there isn't
ChooJeremy: Is there a way to increase the limit?
ChooJeremy: oh
WINWINWIN: @ChooJeremy You can copy paste the input for that turn into a local and run it
WINWINWIN: that way you can see all lines
ChooJeremy: That sounds painful
ChooJeremy: but I'll try
ChooJeremy: very painful actually
ChooJeremy: need to emulate previous states :/
WINWINWIN: :D MadKnight taught me that
WINWINWIN: It is painful
NickStahl: doju
Doju: Yes?
Nerchio: where can i provide seed to play on?
eulerscheZahl: settings -> expert mode
NickStahl: Still no gold? :)
Nerchio: i know i have it
Nerchio: but where
eulerscheZahl: then at the players selection: options -> manual
Doju: Still no gold... Trying to tweak the constant (of which i have rather many) NickStahl
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl when fixing timeouts
eulerscheZahl: i thought i did?
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466373018
eulerscheZahl: games parsed: 113 timeouts found: 1
eulerscheZahl: that's an IDE match, doesn't matter
NickStahl: You will get it somehow! I believe in you :)
eulerscheZahl: C# has release mode on submit. IDE crashes are fine
Doju: constants* and i have no idea which way to tweak them
cegprakash: why so aggressive eulerscheZahl give 2 ms for us
cegprakash: u not letting us counteer u
eulerscheZahl: i'm not using a timer
eulerscheZahl: fixed search depth which works on submit
eulerscheZahl: sometimes fails in the IDE
cegprakash: oh
cegprakash: I have variable depth
AntiSquid: doju at this points maybe just go to discord and watch the streamers, thibpat basically leaked pretty much most important bits, should get gold at least with that info
AntiSquid: maybe it's enough for legend too
Doju: AntiSquid hm, I don't really want to get there by copying others
AntiSquid: you don't need to copy and i don't see how you can copy
Doju: i think this is a good system but i just need to tweak it
AntiSquid: just see the ideas leaked
Doju: well yeah :/
Cappefra: I don't get why it's not ok to put code on github but it is ok to stream it
Cappefra: doesn't make any sense to me
Doju: although i was already at like rank 10 with my stupid bot
WINWINWIN: People like cegprakash only stream basic code
Icebox: :D
cegprakash: WINWINWIN that's because I don't want u stare me debug all the time
cegprakash: It's not like I don't want to
WINWINWIN: they keep the good code to themselve
cegprakash: what nooooo that's not the intention
WINWINWIN: cegprakash dont understand you?
WINWINWIN: It should be :)
cegprakash: u are saying I'm selfish?
WINWINWIN: No, but it would be a disaster if you gave good ideas to others :)
cegprakash: here u go
cegprakash: my full strat so far
cegprakash: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/90f14917-187a-4a20-990b-ffed85e8e344
WINWINWIN: Cant implement it anyway :)
AntiSquid: i am doing all of that though
AntiSquid: maybe bugged though, def not fully implemented
lifetimeLearner007: me too, yet stuck in bronze. i guess there r mre bugs
AntiSquid: ceg you have complete sim ?
cegprakash: yes AntiSquid
AntiSquid: aha
AntiSquid: i don't handle some corner cases
lifetimeLearner007: whats a complete sim? how is it different from normal sim?
AntiSquid: define normal
lifetimeLearner007: idk
lifetimeLearner007: :P
AntiSquid: then idk the answer to your question
AntiSquid: is this some hidden info question? not in mood for one
EvModder: hey AntiSquid how u doing :)
AntiSquid: (riddle)
AntiSquid: yes, never been better before, how are you
lifetimeLearner007: when he said complete sim, i thought mayb there are other kinds of sims. so asked.
EvModder: doing good!
AntiSquid: well my simulation is incomplete lifetimeLearner007
AntiSquid: was hoping to cheese a higher rank easily
Cappefra: I don't know what you mean by normal but I would say a complete sim is one where you don't make your move until you have simulated a turn in every aspect of it
AntiSquid: because after playing ooc and utg back to back i am not 100% into playing another hidden info game
Cappefra: meaning the opponents "moves" as well and so on
Kellthazar: Is there any algo without simulations (pure heuristics) on legend?
Cappefra: like my sim is not complete cause I don't take into account a bunch of things
lifetimeLearner007: hmmm
AntiSquid: mhm
SujalAI: Can someone explain what's happening here: https://www.codingame.com/replay/466384279
SujalAI: I'm in wood 1
WINWINWIN: What are your ouputs?
AntiSquid: you're standing still most of your turns
lifetimeLearner007: u r moving only 1 pac utmost
AntiSquid: you can click ..... and check his outputs WINWINWIN
Scarfield: you need to output like "MOVE 0 25 6|MOVE 1 1 3|MOVE 2 31 13"
WINWINWIN: Is it a blank line or move to your own positions?
pde-bakk: @SujaAI youre only moving 1 pac per turn, your 3 commands should be put on the same line and only a newline after that
Scarfield: when you have more pacs, and you are telling your pacs to move to the cell they are already in somethimes
AntiSquid: also most important detail people forgot to mention, you're losing the game
WINWINWIN: :D
EvModder: lol
lifetimeLearner007: lol
Scarfield: yes, dont lose, ez win
SujalAI: Should the commands of all my pacs be on the same line?
pde-bakk: yes
Scarfield: yes same string
Scarfield: MOVE 0 25 6|MOVE 1 1 3|MOVE 2 31 13
WINWINWIN: Yes, joined by the Pipe symbol
WINWINWIN: ' | '
pde-bakk: like Scarfield said
SujalAI: Oh no wonder
Scarfield: :)
pde-bakk: you can also make them say something by doing MOVE 0 25 6 "msg"|MOVE 1 1 3 "msg"|MOVE 2 31 13 "msg
SujalAI: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d93f6f40-816e-49a4-ba8a-a66f22025afc
SujalAI: can someone tell me what's wrong with this code:
SujalAI: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/38cf18fb-9310-4f6c-ad8b-ca67abb713b1
Scarfield: dont know the language, but do you need the splice?
SujalAI: I need to remove the final pipe symbol, that's what the splice is for
SujalAI: It says move.splice is not a function
RoboStac: you can have an extra | on the end without a problem
SujalAI: Ok
Neumann: Peudoki going strong
SujalAI: The problem was that it should be slice not splice
SujalAI: Can someone tell me why the top left pac behaves like this after turn 40:https://www.codingame.com/replay/466401736
AntiSquid: extra | at the start works too
SujalAI: My logic is that I just find the closest pellet
RoboStac: because you are doing closest ignorning walls as you move towards one the other becomes closer
RoboStac: so you move back
AntiSquid: political sciences help with bot programming skills somehow :thinking: AutomatonNN what do you think
SujalAI: Oh, how can I fix that?
AutomatonNN: congratz
ShlOk: @ Sujal kis grade me ho??
pde-bakk: you could pathfind and save where your pac is expecting to move for example
Scarfield: use a BFS function to find the nearest pellet. Essetially navigating areound the walls, finding the shortest path to the nearest pellet, and not just the one with the smallest "manhattan" distance
SujalAI: @Shlok going to 9th standard
ShlOk: i m in 10th
SujalAI: What's a BFS function?
Scarfield: google it :) but breadth first search
ShlOk: @ Sujal kitne saal se coding kr rhe??
AntiSquid: please click #in for indian chat
SujalAI: @Shlok come to indian chat
AntiSquid: oh that's still english, nvm i forget india has lots of languages
MattSOrme: I can beat the gold boss, but the players between me and the boss are being a pain and not letting me win
Braykin08: I feel the same. currently 14th, more win than losses, but won't get up
Scarfield: yea the leaderboard gets weird often, yesterday i was 150th in bronze, logged in today to be 500th in silver lol
SujalAI: @Scarfield can I use A* instead of BFS
AntiSquid: gold boss isn't strongest boss in gold :D
AntiSquid: strongest bot *
wlesavo: im beating #1 sometimes but this players in legend so annoying, dont let me to come up there and beat him
Scarfield: i never used a* myself, but BFS should be simpler, and no need to use a* for such small a grid as this as far as i knoe
Scarfield: know*
MattSOrme: Do some people have something like enemy play style detection? Feel like that would only work, if you could store data across games, and you played the same person multiple times
SujalAI: Will it time out if I use BFS, since it scan the whole area
Doju: It won't
Doju: as long as you do it right
Braykin08: I guess any online requests will take too long haha. Maybe in the first 1000ms
MattSOrme: I implemented 1 BFS that would go until i timed it out. Then i re-implemented it and now its 0-2ms
Implementation is key
NickStahl: MattSOrme you could check how your opponent reacts in the first few rounds and change your strategy for the later rounds in case same situation occurs again. But not sure if it's easy to implement :)
MSmits: MattSOrme play style detection is rare, but happens sometimes in contests
MSmits: last contest some people detected whether someone only did 0 distance silences (you could go up to 4), in that case it was easy to track them
MSmits: but you cant store data between battles
MSmits: so it has to happen during the course of the game
Braykin08: I have some persistent data in a game to see how you handle collisions, i.e. do you let them pass or keep bumping or do you switch to the stronger/weaker type.
eulerscheZahl: *cough* botters of the galaxy *cough*
MSmits: never done that yet
Icebox: I actually had a very good playstyle detection in CR
MattSOrme: yeah, its not something im gonna do. But would be interesting if someone is tracking enemies who "counter-switch" for example and using that against them
Braykin08: I do it then.
MSmits: Code royale Icebox?
Icebox: yeah
eulerscheZahl: crystal rush
Icebox: code royale
eulerscheZahl: crystal rush
RoboStac: actually both were places where it was pretty useful
Icebox: completely different heuristics for people using giants, for people spamming towers etc
eulerscheZahl: and i'm just trolling
Scarfield: should trolling be recharacterised as frogging :thinking:
MSmits: Icebox sounds good. My bot was mostly hardcoded build orders + knight avoidance code. I didn't do fancy stuff like that
tobk: oh my, just implemented trapping, but now my last submit (which was probably a rather lucky one) is slowly creeping up Gold... resubmit or just wait? :anguished:
MSmits: it's still safe to submit i think. Plenty of creeping left to come
MSmits: besides you'll be more sorry if you never submitted this code
tobk: first submit of that bot was G70, second G250, third G50
Braykin08: In 17h hours, will the submit stop but playing continue for a bit, or will the standing at that time be the final one?
tobk: crept up to G30 from yesterday evening and to G20 while I was coding the new feature
MSmits: all submits will end first
MSmits: then the standign will be final for gold and down
RoboStac: it'll wait till everyone hits 100% and then lots of extra games will play in legend
MSmits: top 100 legend will be recalculated i think? Or the full legend?
Braykin08: It's the same thing lol
MSmits: it is now
AntiSquid: 89 legend wow .
SujalAI: Can someone give me a strat for bronze
pde-bakk: full legend i believe
eulerscheZahl: min(100, legend size)
tobk: beating bronze or getting into it?
Braykin08: Man, 13th in gold. Gotta get that legend
MSmits: ah, i remembered correctly then
SujalAI: beating bronze
MSmits: 13th can be very far away from boss. Whats the rating difference Braykin08?
eulerscheZahl: did it on spot when i broke my BotG bot: 98 before recalc
Braykin08: about 2 points
MSmits: not that far then
MSmits: you do still need some improvement to beat him though
Braykin08: 26.61 to 24.82
Braykin08: Working on it lol
SujalAI: Can someone tell me how to beat bronze
MattSOrme: ugh, another random enemy that i have to repeat until it hits the same crash
MSmits: eulerscheZahl your final botg bot was broken?
MSmits: or did you contribute?
eulerscheZahl: kill switch
ZarthaxX: 1.8
Yasser: isn't anyone having an issue with compilation??
I see the test results are negative without showing what's the error..
Then when I send it to IDE, it works.
eulerscheZahl: wanted to see how far i can climb in the recalc if i start low
eulerscheZahl: my actual rank was around 40
MSmits: how far did you climb?
eulerscheZahl: went from 98 to 73 i think
MSmits: sad
eulerscheZahl: for the science :D
MSmits: that's what i'll say if i end bottom legend
MSmits: it's all science
eulerscheZahl: but that game was random, hard to tell if bad recalc. i did poorly against meele opponents
eulerscheZahl: and when there are a lot of them in your range...
MSmits: how much lines of code for that game?
MSmits: many
eulerscheZahl: botg?
MSmits: yes
MSmits: i seem to remember you guys saying the sim is very big
AntiSquid: probably need the contest to run for longer
eulerscheZahl: 597 lines
AntiSquid: locm got its month
MSmits: oh nice, thats not much for you at all
MSmits: noone spent a month on locam
eulerscheZahl: i would have rage quitted
eulerscheZahl: actually i did at the end of botg
MSmits: I was in the Efteling for a quarter of locam :)
Yasser: @codingame
MSmits: thinking of draw orders while upside down in a rollercoaster
eulerscheZahl: :D
AntiSquid: the rollercoaster wasn't intense enough then i guess
MSmits: or maybe draw orders were really compelling
AntiSquid: or you were trying to think of something else to look less scared?
MattSOrme: i don't even see any glaring bugs in what i've submitted, so just gonna submit again haha. need more matches to check
MSmits: hehe nah, they dont scare me, they hurt me mostly and I get queasy
MattSOrme: Theres def improvement, but too advanced for what i can be bothered with today
AntiSquid: do you remember the name of the coaster MSmits ?
MSmits: https://www.efteling.com/nl/park/attracties/python
eulerscheZahl: he wants to sacrifice a multiplayer
tear him, feather him!
https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/feature-suggestion-official-code-share-for-1-old-multi/183959
MSmits: he's suggesting something you can already do through github
MSmits: even though thats not allowed
eulerscheZahl: i guess he wants a few PHP bots
AntiSquid: i guess it depends on the coaster, that one looks quite mild MSmits
AntiSquid: https://youtu.be/-EFbBMlzHyU?t=17
MSmits: he can just solve space maze and see other people's solutions
eulerscheZahl: 3x C#, 1x Python
eulerscheZahl: no PHP
MSmits: AntiSquid yeah its pretty old too
RoboStac: there is a go solution too
eulerscheZahl: you solved it twice?
RoboStac: no, I've only done go
MSmits: plenty of other puzzles that require real searches arent there?
MSmits: or at least a few?
eulerscheZahl: my bad. no python
RoboStac: optimising that was bad enough, no idea if python is even possible
eulerscheZahl: agreed. was a struggle with C#
MSmits: i think that is what you can learn from other people's code mostly, how to structure it and how to code the searches. Most other stuff is specific to each multi and for that, a post mortem thread is enough
dbdr: OK, I wrote a new bot, let's see what it does :)
eulerscheZahl: too bad there was no proper review on the puzzle
MattSOrme: dbdr, how new? scratch or just some fixes?
wlesavo: dbdr is it completele new?
dbdr: mostly scratch
wlesavo: wow
wlesavo: nice
MSmits: dbdr did you test it vs your old version?
dbdr: started this morning. not sure there's enough time, but let's see
RoboStac: though I did finally get it to always solve on the first turn and not need to wiggle the car about to get more time
MSmits: that's funny
dbdr: I've never ran :)
wlesavo: dam robo ruining my hopes, ill still try it, at least to solve some percent of cases
MSmits: wiggling for more calculation time :)
RoboStac: there may well be a decent way wlesavo
RoboStac: just the way I chose wouldn't work
eulerscheZahl: illedan solved 1 level offline and hardcoded that validator
RoboStac: I actually passed all the validators fairly easily, it was test 22 that caused me problems
RoboStac: so I could have just left it alone
RoboStac: but it was annoying me
eulerscheZahl: my respect for solving it. definitely one of the harder puzzles
wlesavo: it is not always possible to wiggle car around though, right?
RoboStac: no, but it was on test 22
RoboStac: I imagine theres nearly always some stable state you can get too
MSmits: what is the difficulty with this puzzle eulerscheZahl, if you can say without having to write too much
eulerscheZahl: just a hell lot of states. and hard to tell if you are any closer to the solution with a move
MSmits: ah I see
MattSOrme: getting a timeout, but no explanation :'(
AntiSquid: MattSOrme you can narrow down the location of the problem code by added debug output lines
AntiSquid: for me at least it worked easily, since it printed the debug before the timeout section started
wlesavo: wow, my bot finally have around 50% wr and can climb a little
RoboStac: yay, #1 (I'll just ignore the fact that it's only due to the people above me resubmitting)
dbdr: gg wlesavo :)
eulerscheZahl: screenshot time?
AntiSquid: screenshot for PM
Kukiss: also MattSOrme you might not see the error information if you print out too much information. At least I noticed it with Python
MattSOrme: AntiSquad yeah i do that, but this time i don't even know where to start
wlesavo: thx dbdr, being at the very bottom of legend feels bad :slight_smile:
MattSOrme: Kukiss I turned off my debug printing, and still timing out
dbdr: better than top of gold, I would say
wlesavo: sure
Kukiss: hard to say the reason then :/
AntiSquid: but but but ... there's often bottom legend bots worse than top gold bots!
MattSOrme: yup. Gonna have to go hunting
wlesavo: AntiSquid mine probably is
MattSOrme: Talk about making 1 guy do all the work
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466452052
pb4: "Most other stuff is specific to each multi and for that, a post mortem thread is enough
" --> disagree, I did learn a lot by reading other people's codes
MattSOrme: OOF. winning by 1 pellet with no moving pacs cos a game hit the 200 round timeout when a pac couldn't find the pellets
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466454167
pb4: though it's better just to ask for that person's code instead of sacrificing a multi...
eulerscheZahl: or search on github
pb4: or that too :)
pb4: Learned a lot from kimiyuki's hypersonic code
eulerscheZahl: for the asking part: i guess your success depends on your previous acheivements
cegprakash: omg RoboStac
eulerscheZahl: if you would ask me for a bot: sure, here it is
if some new guy asks me: probably not
eulerscheZahl: so you have to be good to get better
eulerscheZahl: that cow is climbing a lot. saw it around rank 15 this morning. no submit since
MattSOrme: Seems the way to level up in this game is to let others push you up
eulerscheZahl: or be really good/lucky
eulerscheZahl: some users consistently submit into top5
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl why hiding ur best bot
eulerscheZahl: sadly this is my best
Yasser: unfortunately, it's not possible to continue this contest due to a bug in codingame for Groovy language.
eulerscheZahl: so contest is over, we all have to stop now?
AntiSquid: so it isn't so groovy afterall
Cappefra: lol guys
reCurse: Oh wow chokudai is in the contest. Didn't even notice
AntiSquid: he entered yesterday
ZarthaxX: started??
wlesavo: yes
AntiSquid: didn't seem like he even needed much time
ZarthaxX: he got to 14 and startedyesterday?
AntiSquid: apparently
wlesavo: exactly
reCurse: He's another competitive programming legend so not surprising
ZarthaxX: how the f lol
AntiSquid: i am surprised he stopped there
MattSOrme: If you've done loads of these before, probably much easier to get the right framework, or copy old code in
eulerscheZahl: https://twitter.com/chokudai
AntiSquid: (Some of the people who are submitting have dropped, so it's really low)
AntiSquid: google translate :thinking: is this contest really low skilled or what does he mean
Cappefra: the most frustrating thing ever is when correcting a bug makes your bot do worse
Cappefra: wtf
Chkoupinator: is codingame using C++20 or C++17?
reCurse: I think he means that he's not as high as shown because the others on top are submitting, so at the bottom
struct: 17
reCurse: C++17
Chkoupinator: thanks
AntiSquid: I'm doing Codingame,
// It's difficult, so later
// Because it is troublesome
There are such descriptions everywhere in the source code ... w
SujalAI: Can someone help me in beating bronze
AntiSquid: w = lol
AntiSquid: that's all i know
reCurse: And he did start 2 days ago
struct: AntiSquid the last sentece is wrong
reCurse: Interesting
SujalAI: Can someone help me in beating bronze
AntiSquid: ya ok, but i don't know japanesu struct .
struct: Me neither
reCurse: You just need to be creative with the translations
struct: Just translated
reCurse: And you get it
AntiSquid: so he is not making fun of the referee ?
struct: If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us at
reCurse: No
SujalAI: Please help me :sob:
reCurse: He's commenting on his code
wlesavo: AntiSquid why would you think so
struct: Maybe im translating wrong one
AntiSquid: ah his own bot comments
reCurse: Yes
AntiSquid: wlesavo was thinking of UTG referee when i wrote that
AntiSquid: didn't check the pacman one
wlesavo: lol
JasperV: do you have vision in the corridor where left and right side are connected?
AntiSquid: yes
struct: reCurse he mentioned you on twitter
reCurse: Nice troll
struct: who?
reCurse: You
AntiSquid: the twitter post or struct's msg ?
AntiSquid: aha
struct: https://twitter.com/chokudai/status/1262043235783868417
eulerscheZahl: :D
reCurse: He tweets instead of chatting? lol
AntiSquid: maybe he can translate his sentences then if he sees us struggling? chodukai please
wlesavo: lol
wlesavo: he was on chat yeasterday
AntiSquid: we need to join in and have a twitter battle
reCurse: Nah chokudai it's just rumors I'm not that good
eulerscheZahl: who is that reCurse?
cegprakash: oh no https://prnt.sc/sig4ql
chokudai: I'm very bad at English so chatting is difficult for me. X(
AntiSquid: (ReCurse-san, wasn't he really strong as far as I heard the rumor?)
AntiSquid: recurse-san
eulerscheZahl: the struggle with English seems to be common among our Japanese competitors, isn't it?
struct: meanwhile yandex translation (as long as you hear the rumor that Ms. reCurse was not a strong person?)
reCurse: It's a struggle amongst many Japanese as far as I know
AntiSquid: he is not on the leaderboard, obv not strong chodukai
Icebox: they don't need our inferior language
AntiSquid: "our"
Icebox: *soviet hymn starts playing*
reCurse: But they still have much better english than most westerners at japanese
eulerscheZahl: a friend was in japan once. asked people how to get to a certain place and such. everyone trying to help but he didn't understand a word
AntiSquid: because it's harder to learn japanaese
reCurse: Yeah pretty much my experience too
AntiSquid: and 3 alphabets
reCurse: Mostly getting by with signs
eulerscheZahl: except for that one person. he was taking pictures and she got mad for violating personal rights with him taking pictures. the only english speaking person also was the only unfriendly
lifetimeLearner007: Hey guys, can someone give me suggestions on scoring system? On what basis do I score a state in this game? I'm running monte carlo sim
AntiSquid: i use google translate with text recognition, worked alright even in china
lifetimeLearner007: pac count, no.of pellets, pellet points current score, what else?
cegprakash: may be it's time for me to add pellet probability
eulerscheZahl: is it a problem for contests like codejam, when you aren't fluent in English?
cegprakash: I don't know how hard it is though
cegprakash: yesterday euler was posting some probability image with some pellets having > 1 prob
eulerscheZahl: fixed that bug
eulerscheZahl: also the negative probabilities that made me run away from some cells
Scarfield: pacs needed to give 110% to eat them
reCurse: There's a difference between getting by and being fluent
wlesavo: spooky cells
reCurse: With enough time on google translate I could figure out how to do raic for example
cegprakash: i just gave some performance boost to my bot I now get 10K sims
reCurse: It's a pain but it works
eulerscheZahl: worked surprisingly well on RAIC
eulerscheZahl: except for the text in images
reCurse: OCR
eulerscheZahl: I asked MK to translate me something
AntiSquid: no
Scarfield: "fix it"
reCurse: But was it worth the price?
AntiSquid: google translate doesn't fix ambiguity in text
reCurse: j/k
eulerscheZahl: he was helpful
AntiSquid: if you like free t-shirts i guess
Scarfield: sure, he helped me a lot when i started here and was suggested to do CSB xD he also said fix it a lot, about 50/50
eulerscheZahl: mini RAIC wasn't even too bad game-wise
eulerscheZahl: a little annoying that it was only about conquering, not defending
eulerscheZahl: and 6 players is chaotic
eulerscheZahl: and they screwed up the finals
eulerscheZahl: planned to do each vs each with 12 finalists
eulerscheZahl: that is 12 choose 6 matches to play
eulerscheZahl: somehow it started as 1 vs 1, they quickly cancelled it
eulerscheZahl: and then just generated random matchups instead of full round robin
eulerscheZahl: i got 7th on a coinflip (4-6th got a HDD)
AntiSquid: Scarfield be honest, MadKnight helping with CSB is more like forced manual labour
Scarfield: slavory with extra steps :thinking:
SujalAI: Please help me with bronze league
AntiSquid: no
SujalAI: :cry:
MindControler: Please help me with gold league
AntiSquid: click discord button and watch streams, lots of info there SujalAI
MindControler: Can someone submit a lot and beat boss a lot?
struct: :rofl:
eulerscheZahl: be the change you want to see
AntiSquid: sure lets wreck legend
AntiSquid: they seem too comfortable with reduced randomness
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl how do u find the no. of games timed out on arena
AntiSquid: download replays
cegprakash: I just found 1 game timed out on arena and I'm worried if I have a bug
AntiSquid: it shows timeout
wlesavo: cegprakash https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/53705/contest-tools-and-workflow/introduction
AntiSquid: or 1by1 also works
eulerscheZahl: ./replay_download.py && ./replay_cleanup.py
eulerscheZahl: games parsed: 209 timeouts found: 3
reCurse: Is that "a" timeout or "his" timeout though.
AntiSquid:
cegprakash 04:50PM
I just found 1 game timed out on arena and I'm worried if I have a bug
100% sure you have a bug
eulerscheZahl: i only check for my own timeouts
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/replay/466494286
WINWINWIN: cegprakash
WINWINWIN: u played y-kawano twice
WINWINWIN: both timeouts
WINWINWIN: other than that, no others
cegprakash: how did u find
cegprakash: :O
AntiSquid: game is rigged, letting kawano win /s
WINWINWIN: Timeouts are easy to find
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/fb698d39-acf1-4d07-a5b0-815c811ad3b2
WINWINWIN: just look for short matches, takes like a minute to check all replays
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl gimme that script :O
eulerscheZahl: no
cegprakash: plz?
eulerscheZahl: check wlesavo's link
eulerscheZahl: that tells you how to write your own script
SujalAI: Can someone tell me the code to store all your pacs and the enemy pacs. Even those which are not visible.
AntiSquid: look at streams on twitch or whatever
AntiSquid: it shows everything
cegprakash: on which tab should I got to the XHR?
AntiSquid: instafluff even shared his js and intended to stream all the way to legend
struct: network cegprakash
cegprakash: I mean which url
cegprakash: last battles page?
cegprakash: or I have to open the replay and then do inspect element
AntiSquid: freecodecamp.org thank me later
AntiSquid: or F12 and suffer through hell
SujalAI: (β―Β°β‘Β°οΌβ―οΈ΅ β»ββ»
WINWINWIN: How did you do that SujalAI?
AntiSquid: /flip
WINWINWIN: (β―Β°β‘Β°οΌβ―οΈ΅ β»ββ»
WINWINWIN: Awesome
AntiSquid: (β―Β°β‘Β°οΌβ―οΈ΅ β»ββ»
**SujalAI slaps AntiSquid around a bit with a large fishbot
cegprakash: what do I do now /flip
cegprakash: (β―Β°β‘Β°οΌβ―οΈ΅ β»ββ»
eulerscheZahl: cegprakash how do you access your last battles my hand? when not logged in
AntiSquid: SujalAI i gave you all the best advice you needed
Scarfield: SujalAI squids advice is good
AntiSquid: so quiet
eulerscheZahl: try to take the same path and analyze the network traffic
SujalAI: You gave me no advice
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl I can't find that api call
**WINWINWIN loves AntiSquid`s advice
cegprakash: findInformationById when is it called
AntiSquid: https://discord.com/invite/qAKXEEv SujalAI
SujalAI: At least tell me how to store all the pacs even those which are not visible
AntiSquid: which leads to https://discord.com/channels/466965651135922206/472807181163429890
icecream17: sujal what language
cegprakash: is there a postman or something
SujalAI: JS
AntiSquid: SujalAI how you store them is up to you
struct: ceg go to leaderboard
struct: press last battles on your name
SujalAI: How do I acces the ones which are not visible
struct: you cant
AntiSquid: https://www.twitch.tv/instafluff SujalAI this guy streamed JS and shows starter code
WINWINWIN: That is what all the Legend guys are working on
AntiSquid: how do i initiate enemy timeout AutomatonNN ?
AutomatonNN: I have more than that and it doesn't work as it is
AntiSquid: in JS AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: what is the most problem with the new contest and the code is wrong?
Scarfield: you dont get input of pacs that arent visible, but you can choose to ignore them or assume where they moved, start with ignoring them i would advice
Uljahn: enemy pacs' positions are symmetrical on the first turn
cegprakash: i found the API
cegprakash: what do I do now
AntiSquid: enjoy life
struct: I think you should focus on contest and figure that after it
SujalAI: I quit, this sucks
AntiSquid: so do you
vtenneke: So ive faced the issue of timing out in battle but not when I send to the IDE. Anyone knows why this is?
Uljahn: different cpu type?
Scarfield: any random element to your code? or the opponent has random element, or ^
cegprakash: :"(
Uljahn: my bad, cpu type shouldn't matter if your timing is precise enough
reCurse: Most bots are not deterministic
reCurse: So it could be sheer luck
reCurse: Keep playing in the IDE until you encounter the timeout
reCurse: Unless you're coding in Rust or C#. Then you're out of luck.
WINWINWIN: wouldnt a timeout show up irrelevant of how the game proceeds?
cegprakash: I don't want to see all last battles by hand
reCurse: Some could. Some wouldn't.
reCurse: Can be literally anything
**SujalAI What is this
Scarfield: he propably reached an edge case in his code, when there is a random element to one or both bots, its not certain the reason for the timeout will happen again even from the same seed
WINWINWIN: Understood, then nothing to do but submit again with a couple of debug messages?
reCurse: Or keep playing in the IDE until it shows up
reCurse: But yeah debug helps
reCurse: Serializing your bot state is even better
Uljahn: or maybe using the replay reproducer's output could help to recreate the same situation
reCurse: If his bot is stateless yeah sure
AntiSquid: compare older version of bot to your newer version, there's a chance it's newly added bug
reCurse: chance is the keyword here
reCurse: A lot of my stupidest bugs stuck around since the first version
AntiSquid: i have some like that too, still not sure why the bot works worse when one gets fixed
icecream17: all 10 wins. maybe ill finally beat bronze
reCurse: Because you optimized against that local minima
reCurse: It's always like that
AntiSquid: :(
Scarfield: its like Mr. Burns, all bugs keep the bot stable, but start fixing them and the other bugs will get room to kill :p
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466454277
3 kills and still lost
eulerscheZahl: (β―Β°β‘Β°οΌβ―οΈ΅ β»ββ»
Alshock: what dos in mean to serialize one's bot?
**SujalAI slaps eulerscheZahl around a bit with a large fishbot
Csipcsirip: you waste too many pacman rouds in the endgame to trap opponent
icecream17: WHyyy. Everytime I even see myself in the top 100 for one second i lose twice
eulerscheZahl: more like cluelessly walking around, searching for the last pellets
eulerscheZahl: trapping randomly happens but i think i would have lost without it as well
Xlos: wait how did you get that, where you can see the time you take each turn
eulerscheZahl: stopwatch or whatever it is in your language
eulerscheZahl: and then: MOVE id x y message
Xlos: ? It's displayed on the screen so it wouldn't be a code thing right
Xlos: I'm talking about in that replay
eulerscheZahl: you have to output your message along with your move command
Xlos: There's a command to output a message?!?
eulerscheZahl: MOVE 0 28 11 |MOVE 1 31 2 |MOVE 2 16 7 |MOVE 3 9 5 |MOVE 4 29 6 34 ms
eulerscheZahl: the last part prints the time
Xlos: Whaaa
eulerscheZahl: you can write a text to each of your pacmen
Xlos: 10/10
Xlos: Thanks a lot for that tip
Xlos: In exchange I will give you the big brain observation I just came up with
eulerscheZahl: you make me curious
Xlos: Always use speed at (odd, odd) coordinates
Xlos: It seems that 3/4 way intersections only occur there
eulerscheZahl: so i won't waste turns at dead ends
Xlos: Thus you don't run into vision problems
Xlos: That too
Scarfield: hmm... big brain
icecream17: 60th!
eulerscheZahl: hm, let me try that offline vs my arena bot
Xlos: This is the power of thinking on the toilet
kovi: depends on your overall strat
Scarfield: http://nedroid.com/2018/05/driven-to-greatness/
Cappefra: i was expecting something stupid tbh and then you come with this actual game-changing observation
kovi: if you trapper, this will be counterproductive
kovi: (been there...)
eulerscheZahl: i planned to limit my speed use a bit
eulerscheZahl: right now i only allow speed at the first step of my sim, not any deeper
eulerscheZahl: so i might speed while there's 1 pellet and then a dead end
eulerscheZahl: so changing that is on my list anyways
eulerscheZahl: so far arena: 19 Pacman: 17 draw: 4
eulerscheZahl: a little worse but in range of randomness
kovi: unlike parity, that specific case didnt worked for me for some reason
Xlos: Hmm
Chkoupinator: anyone knows which file in the github gives the output every turn ?
eulerscheZahl: start with Referee.java and track it from there
Chkoupinator: thanks
eulerscheZahl: SPEED at odd coords seems to be on par with always speeding
Cappefra: I would really like to figure out how to make that cgbenchmark work
eulerscheZahl: at least for my bot
wlesavo: for mine also seems not to make it worse
wlesavo: submitting it rn
eulerscheZahl: always allowing it in first and 2nd turn in my sim: arena: 22 Pacman: 11 draw: 4
eulerscheZahl: that's getting worse, hmm
icecream17: aww im not in top 1000 so cgstats doesnt work
eulerscheZahl: and the cow got pushed to #1 now :D
eulerscheZahl: feels so random
ChooJeremy: I think the observation shouldn't be speed at (odd, odd)
kovi: it is weirdest ever
ChooJeremy: because there are dead ends at (odd, odd) too
Xlos: Interesting, thanks for testing
eulerscheZahl: worse than locam
ChooJeremy: something like (1) prefer speed at intersections
ChooJeremy: and (2) Observation: intersections always appear at (odd, odd) for some reason (how to abuse?)
Xlos: I thought it would be much better since you get vision at every intersection
Xlos: Maybe it's too conditional
eulerscheZahl: but sounds reasonable
ChooJeremy: yeah but probably better to test for intersections (x+1, y), (x-1, y) (x, y+1), (x, y-1) rather than just odd, odd
ChooJeremy: you're given the grid at the start
eulerscheZahl: speed at odd is fine. will make you end up on an intersection later
Scarfield: the idea seems good, but a search should find out by itself i think :)
eulerscheZahl: my search won't, pruning options
icecream17: Oh. When I speed i stay in the same position and think i collided
Scarfield: xD
Scarfield: "stop hitting yourself"
reCurse: Worse than locam? Such exaggeration
eulerscheZahl: sorry, i take that back
eulerscheZahl: pacman is still enjoyable to play for me
eulerscheZahl: locam was a pain
kovi: we were only talk about leaderboard randomness
reCurse: Even then
reCurse: locam was much more tight and random
eulerscheZahl: locam had a clear #1 (closet) and #2 (recurse)
kovi: in locam there was a clear top3
kovi: well yeah
kovi: royale in top5
eulerscheZahl: the cow submitted 12h ago, ranked around 15th
eulerscheZahl: now at #1
eulerscheZahl: pushed up all the way
reCurse: locam: 2.8pt in top30
kovi: i also made a top1 than a top10 pushed up top3 today
reCurse: pac: 5pt in top30
reCurse: I rest my case
kovi: that is the point, even 5 pt means nothing with 50-50%
eulerscheZahl: but a drifting of 3 points
reCurse: You think there was no such drifting during locam? :)
RoboStac: cow's cg stats are interesting
eulerscheZahl: i admit i wasn't really dedicated at locam
kovi: pointwise less, rankwise similar except top
kovi: top3
eulerscheZahl: so i can't tell how much locam was drifting
RoboStac: 50%+ against top few, less than 50% against those lower
eulerscheZahl: yeah. and as higher ranked players keep submitting...
CowZow: Hello! I was also surprised to find myself this high up...
eulerscheZahl: and for the final rerun you only play against close neighbors on the leaderboard
eulerscheZahl: we were too. congrats anyways :)
kovi: i fell 5->19
CowZow: ha, i don't think it will last. How did you find the stats vs other bots?
RoboStac: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/spring-challenge-2020/CowZow
cegprakash: is 42 a nice seed for srand? I feel like changing seed can help
cegprakash: ppl started countering my seed
eulerscheZahl: do you believe in horoscopes too?
CowZow: ah interesting
kovi: yeah, not everything is 50-50
reCurse: This rerun will be a rollercoaster
kovi: i really dont know what to expect
reCurse: A rollercoaster
eulerscheZahl: and psyh o will disappear for another 4 years
kovi: even though i still bet on him, i even wonder how karliso will handle this randomness
kovi: phew it was a hard climb to 10th
eulerscheZahl: i don't even know if psyh o is really trying or just playing a bit for fun
Miarem: reCurse, because of your inactivity. codingGame thinks that Ubisoft is Ukrainian company : )
reCurse: It partly is
Cappefra: I think that's it for me
Cappefra: 140 gold is the best I can do apparently
eulerscheZahl: you will drop if you stop now
EvModder: enum MoveType {COLLECT, SPEED, CHASE, RUN, HIDE, ACCEPT_DEATH};
EvModder: the last one is my favorite of course
Miarem: i'm curious how the country of the company is defined
Miarem: most of them are global...
Cappefra: I'm out of ideas, literally any change I've made in the past 30 hours has made it worse and I eventually had to revert it
reCurse: Well isn't that the fun of globalization
reCurse: It's defined by whatever is most profitable for a specific case
eulerscheZahl: for tax reasons the headquarter shall be in Ireland now
AntiSquid: my rank fluctuates from 110 to 150 so hard to say anything about the final rank :D
reCurse: You will be below 100.
AntiSquid: Cappefra not sure it's worth trying harder anymore
AntiSquid: i am below 200 overall ...
AntiSquid: i mean not top 200
eulerscheZahl: 99 in legend already
cegprakash: what was ur best versions' rank AntiSquid
reCurse: Well you said hard to say anything
reCurse: I found it easy to say something :)
Chkoupinator: enemy pacs always spawn symmetrically to our pacs right?
AntiSquid: idk what my best version is cegprakash
eulerscheZahl: yes
Chkoupinator: thanc
cegprakash: my #40 bot few mins back is getting so badly rekt now
Miarem: there are so many participants... it won't affect much the final points
Chkoupinator: am I the only one to find the information summary lacking?
Scarfield: both positions and types Chkoupinator
cegprakash: donno what everyone added or everyone is stuck on bottom legend like me
AntiSquid: it does affect the final points a lot when mid gold orso Miarem
Chkoupinator: Scarfield thanks :D
AntiSquid: huge difference from top 50 to top 200 or even just top 100
Miarem: for 5k participants?
cegprakash: hey AntiSquid yes
wlesavo: that big brain thingy seems to work for my bot at least
AntiSquid: yes Miarem
EvModder: idk, i was 14 yesterday and now i'm 50ish, so i think there's a fair bit of flectuation
cegprakash: top 100 in gold probably already has dead player tracking
AntiSquid: 2k points diff, but w/e :/
cegprakash: what is gold boss' point now
EvModder: dead player tracking?
AntiSquid: or 3-4k ?
Zenoscave: My enemy prediction does awful
Zenoscave: Does attacking enemies work? I just avoid enemies if at all possible
eulerscheZahl: of course you can attack
eulerscheZahl: game i'm debugging right now: https://www.codingame.com/replay/466454277
Zenoscave: I mean is it worthwhile?
eulerscheZahl: 3 kills and still lost :D
eulerscheZahl: but kills were all in endgame
eulerscheZahl: and 2 of them were really nice
ChooJeremy: If the enemy is smart and your attacking is just chasing the enemy without any guarantees of reaching it the enemy can just keep running and you'll never reach him
eulerscheZahl: in the replay i shared you can see 3 guaranteed kills
Zenoscave: So only go for traps then
ChooJeremy: yup I know, was responding to Zenoscave
eulerscheZahl: still costs a few turns that you miss on harvesting
Zenoscave: Ok so scoring tuning for it is a good hope maybe
cegprakash: i'm changing my seed to a prime number
cegprakash: lets see if it works
Doju: Oh great, i'm controlling dead pacs again somehow
eulerscheZahl: switch them to rock first
Zenoscave: eulerscheZahl why Rock?
Zenoscave: that is completely arbitrary
Zenoscave: Like a prime seed
eulerscheZahl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYJQPYKvU6U
Zenoscave: lol
Tiberiu02: Will the leaderboard freeze exactly when the contest is over, or will it keep evaluating for a while to reach a stable state?
eulerscheZahl: finish pending submits
eulerscheZahl: including league promotions
eulerscheZahl: then a big rerun for top100
eulerscheZahl: everyone gets about 1000 matches
eulerscheZahl: takes a few hours to finish
eulerscheZahl: then the ranking is final
kovi: will it be 1000 only?
eulerscheZahl: every player starts 500 matches
kovi: considering the randomness more would be welcome
Thiesjoo: Wut Clyde can timeout? https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466585244
eulerscheZahl: at the same time you can be chosen as opponent with equal probability
Numby: Can we keep submitting for fun after the competition is over or we have to wait for a while?
Tiberiu02: Wow nice to know
eulerscheZahl: i think the #1 player will even get less matches statistically, #6 will get more than 1000
eulerscheZahl: as opponent selection is in range +-5
eulerscheZahl: and there is no #-4 player fighting #1
eulerscheZahl: while #1 only has 5 opponents (2-6), giving more games to #6
Tiberiu02: Are these details written anywhere?
eulerscheZahl: there's an old forum post. but not much detail
eulerscheZahl: it's always like this for a few years
eulerscheZahl: with a 4 player game you get more battles (as you always start 500 yourself and get chosen as an opponent by others)
eulerscheZahl: can't find the forum post anymore
eulerscheZahl: but didn't say more than I just did now
eulerscheZahl: and pb4 might do his alternative ranking again
eulerscheZahl: which of course has no effect on prize awards
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/ocean-of-code-alternate-ranking/176074
SujalAI: My pacs are going for the same pellet what do I do?
Braykin08: Dont let them
Braykin08: By asking them politely (and programmatically) to not do it.
SujalAI: Good idea
icecream17: possTargets.removeTheTargetAndStuffFunctionWithAReallyLongName
eulerscheZahl: https://projects.haykranen.nl/java/
SujalAI: What am I doing wrong in this replay:
SujalAI: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466600932
eulerscheZahl: let's ignore that you suicide right into the opponent for a moment
eulerscheZahl: your scissors completely ignores the superpellets
SujalAI: I am just going towards the closest pellet
eulerscheZahl: your rocks moves straight into the corner. that mean it has to go back and can't collect anything on that way
SujalAI: And they switch when an enemy is close
Doju: Oh
eulerscheZahl: you don't use speed
SujalAI: i've not
wlesavo: euler wow i completly missed that pbs alternative ranking, htx
Doju: i was weighting stuff in the inverse way that i should've been. Maybe that's the reason why my bot sucked
eulerscheZahl: i didn't miss it - I provided the data :P
AntiSquid: refactoring magically fixing a bug i wasn't aware of @_@
eulerscheZahl: for such an analysis you don't even have to download every single match. it's enough to load the last battles list
kovi: it depends on lucky roll + who is submitting
kovi: back to top5 again
eulerscheZahl: yeah, you kicked me out
eulerscheZahl: that will be a fun rerun tomorrow
ashikujjaman: how can I play my bot with boss multiple time
.epsilon.: I got the clyde bot to time out...
AntiSquid: i got the gold bot to time out at least once
SujalAI: How can I detect where the superpellets are?
AntiSquid: seems like if it can't track you properly then it times out :D
Braykin08: SujalAI when you read the pellet input, you know it's value. A superpellet is worth 10
ShannonNorris97: SujalAI, if you're looking through all pellets you can pick out the super ones because they have a value of 10 instead of 1
SujalAI: Oh yeah i forgot we can see super pellets from anywhere
IAmNoob: I make a distance function which selects the pallet where to go
IAmNoob: depending of the value
fchris82: Why I can't go to higher leagues? I submitted my code, my pacmans win, but nothing happend. Just the same leagues.
IAmNoob: you have to defeat the boss
SamuelTheBad: you have to be ranked higher than the boss AI for that league
fchris82: My rank is 1. If I see the last battles tab, Ranking order:
1. Me
2. Pinky
RoboStac: you have to wait for 100% battles to be complete too
RoboStac: on last battles it'll show your progress
Doju: Oh noooow we're talking
fchris82: AAaa, I can see. Battles in progress 86%
Doju: i was calculating a value for each cell but not actually including it in the final value
Doju: it's actually finally doing what it's supposed to be doing
Doju: leaving pellets at dead ends every now and then etc.
Doju: Flying up the ladder!
IAmNoob: :))
Zenoscave: Ladder is too random. Code that ranked ~100 can't climb above 300 now
AntiSquid: haha same issue here
AntiSquid: fixed a serious bug then decided it's clever to submit, now struggling
AntiSquid: we need to do our own tweets about our contest progression
Zenoscave: And I can't test improvements in this state
AntiSquid: nobody can
AntiSquid: it's more like lottery at this point what final rank i get
cegprakash: FrenchKiss is hiding his bot
AntiSquid: lol
Zenoscave: what league Ceg?
cegprakash: legend league.. he has submitted some dummy code and stays at #100
lifetimeLearner007: can u do <50 rank, cegprakash?
ChooJeremy: Doju
cegprakash: lifetimeLearner007 no but I can do < 20
lifetimeLearner007: oooooohhh.. nice
IAmNoob: If i exit the tab and in the last few seconds i submited it is there a problem/will it stop?
cegprakash: already been top top 30-40 many times.. so real target for me is top 20
cegprakash: and then spam [CG]Thibaud for sending me my first T shirt
AntiSquid: you didn't get tshirt yet @_@
AntiSquid: ceg you need to try harder
lifetimeLearner007: this time there are no t-shirts i think
lifetimeLearner007: or am I wrong? lemme check
IAmNoob: Is there not a way to speed up the subtim?
AntiSquid: ah right no t-shirts this time cegprakash it seems
lifetimeLearner007: yep, no t-shirts
IAmNoob: Who knows
cegprakash: but if I get to top 20 they will give me
cegprakash: I'll have to believe on that
cegprakash: don't change my mind
AntiSquid: that's why i am not top 20 yet /s
lifetimeLearner007: yes... cool t-shirts are there cegparkash but for top 15. So get under 15 rank... (Y)
lifetimeLearner007: :thumbsup:
AntiSquid: where does it say?
lifetimeLearner007: :p
AntiSquid: didn't see any
IAmNoob: How old is CODE OF KUTULU?
lifetimeLearner007: really old
IAmNoob: i discoverd it now:))
AntiSquid: go to "compete > contests" scroll down and find it
Counterbalance: oct 2018
IAmNoob: and i like it
IAmNoob: it is really nice
NickStahl: found a bug in my code, I bet when I fix it it will result in so many new bugs that I rather keep this one :)
AntiSquid: kutulu was less random than this mess
IAmNoob: yes
lifetimeLearner007: haha.. yeah NickStahl. tell me about it
Counterbalance: s/oct/july/
IAmNoob: If i play nno
IAmNoob: now kutulu
IAmNoob: up says PAC MAN
IAmNoob: :)
lifetimeLearner007: I like Legends of Code and Magic and Code for Life
IAmNoob: I like Back to Code
eulerscheZahl: "already been top 30-40 many times"
https://prnt.sc/siis3j
NinjaDoggy: ok eulerscheZahl why you gotta do him like that
IAmNoob: :))))))
IAmNoob: lol
cegprakash: I mean in Spring Challenge eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: sorry, couldn't resist :(
AntiSquid: he was talking about legend leaderboard lol
eulerscheZahl: ah
NinjaDoggy: what a dummy eulerscheZahl goin around making assumptions
Doju: Finally gold
NinjaDoggy: ok i needa shut up and get legend XD
struct: It was clear
eulerscheZahl: just casually reading the chat while submitting. not really paying attention
reCurse: I enjoyed the jab
Doju: turns out it's good to have your bot work like it's supposed to
NinjaDoggy: reCurse! :O hai
NinjaDoggy: why aren't u wrecking everyone in pacman
IAmNoob: It takes literally 5 minutes for just puts me in the top
eulerscheZahl: he's moving. or am i confusing something?
eulerscheZahl: relocate, that's the word
IAmNoob: I like the humor of eulerscheZahl
AntiSquid: ya chodu kai and psy ho even mentioned him, called him out, went to gym and exercised getting ready to fight reCurse but reCurse was a no show, wtf Automaton2000
Automaton2000: it's just a bunch of times
reCurse: Yeah I'm moving
NinjaDoggy: hm... your last contest was COIF
NinjaDoggy: that was like a year ago hm...
NickStahl: Congrats Doju!
reCurse: Time flies
Doju: ty
reCurse: I'm also a has been
eulerscheZahl: you are still actively chatting
eulerscheZahl: which i highly appreciate
reCurse: True
IAmNoob: If i will go in gold at a bot programming competition about how much XP would i earn?
NinjaDoggy: :O Inaniwa and Risus aboutta promote
struct: IAmNoob
struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/6a6cd490-da25-4fea-847e-dc7c4d09db2c
IAmNoob: ?
NinjaDoggy: @IAmNoob whatever you already for woods,bronze,silver and gold
IAmNoob: ahhh
IAmNoob: ok
IAmNoob: thx
NinjaDoggy: X2
AntiSquid: legend is a safe space for like 20 bots so they don't drop back to half way gold
eulerscheZahl: not x 2
NinjaDoggy: yes X2
struct: no
NinjaDoggy: once in contest, once in multi
NinjaDoggy: no?
eulerscheZahl: contests are now moved to multiplayer section directly
struct: doe
NinjaDoggy: rip
reCurse: Recession hits everyone
struct: not rip
struct: its a good thing
eulerscheZahl: since unleash the geek aka crystal rush
NinjaDoggy: it is a good thing
NinjaDoggy: dont' need to save wood bots
eulerscheZahl: no more losing top bots
NinjaDoggy: ahh i haven't tried since COIF :(
reCurse: top bot :thinking:
AntiSquid: more struggle to reach same rank again
cegprakash: 9 wins in first 13 games
eulerscheZahl: many players didn't care to resubmit
cegprakash: looks like a good submit
cegprakash: :D
eulerscheZahl: even a few contest winners are missing
cegprakash: 12 in 15
NinjaDoggy: true!
cegprakash: go go #1
Inaniwa: I won all the first 10 races. But I still can't seem to be promoted
AntiSquid: cegprakash
NinjaDoggy: like closet AI saying F it after winning hearthstone
lifetimeLearner007: looking good prakash
AntiSquid: what percentage cegprakash ??
eulerscheZahl: closet cared enough to write a post mortem at least
cegprakash: 4%
eulerscheZahl: and romk a recently (about 2 months ago) finally submitted his hypersonic contest bot
NinjaDoggy: lol
struct: Nice, copy pasted bots going down
eulerscheZahl: that was my first contest in 2016
struct: hypersonic leaderboard quite different since I last saw it
struct: Never recall seeing karlis o in rank 1
IAmNoob: I hate people that copy paste bots or solutions
eulerscheZahl: he's there for a while already
IAmNoob: many work hard for them rank and comes those noobs which copy pasted and make better rank
NinjaDoggy: karliso rank 1 in a lot of multis...
IAmNoob: trash kids
dbf: I copy paste my bot from ide to cg websitefor every submit
IAmNoob: ok not that
IAmNoob: i mean from githib or youtube
IAmNoob: or other ways
lifetimeLearner007: u can use CGSync extension, dbf
SujalAI: I want to amke a 2d array of all the pellets in the grid how do i do that?
lifetimeLearner007: have to rewrite from youtube, not copy paste right
SujalAI: The logic is that everything other than a wall is a pellet
IAmNoob: ok
IAmNoob: try a boolean matrix
IAmNoob: or a struct with x, y
IAmNoob: a queue pair
IAmNoob: there are many ways
lifetimeLearner007: u've to manually create 2d array structure in JS, SujalAI. JS doesn't have inbuilt support for multidimentional arrays
SujalAI: I don't know what mistake I'm doing, but I'm getting an empty array
SujalAI: I know lifetimelearner
IAmNoob: you dont have to update every frame
SujalAI: This is my code
IAmNoob: you know right?
SujalAI: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/fe43702f-67a8-4a45-af38-8c3f1befb927
IAmNoob: you make JS
SujalAI: yes
IAmNoob: and you can not make 2D arrays
IAmNoob: you know right?
SujalAI: I didn't make a 2d array
SujalAI: I just made an array with all the pellet objects
IAmNoob: ok...
SujalAI: I don't know what's wrong with it but it's making an empty array
lifetimeLearner007: j<row.length
lifetimeLearner007: not j<row, SujalAI
SujalAI: oh yeah
IAmNoob: :))
IAmNoob: sneaky error
SujalAI: How did I not see that
IAmNoob: sometimes that is how life work
lifetimeLearner007: cz JS is very friendly
lifetimeLearner007: :p
IAmNoob: I like how simple JS is
IAmNoob: compared to c++ or python
IAmNoob: or java
IAmNoob: JS is more friendly
SujalAI: Python is almost useless without any modules
IAmNoob: i use sys
IAmNoob: but my main is c++
IAmNoob: i would like to try to learn C#
Kukiss: but you can import basic modules here for Python, like numpy
SujalAI: My pac and the enemy are going for the same pellet so they are stuck in a loop
IAmNoob: i know
SujalAI: How can i fix this?
IAmNoob: this is the main challenge:))
Cence: You ceck if your position is still the last position
Cence: *check
IAmNoob: try to check if the positions repeat
IAmNoob: and if so....
SujalAI: But I think it's okay if I ignore it because we both lose one pac
IAmNoob: try a random position
IAmNoob: SujalAI league?
SujalAI: bronze
IAmNoob: ok
IAmNoob: when you are gona evolve you gona see many bots that dont stuck
IAmNoob: i am bronze:((
IAmNoob: but i know
SujalAI: I made an improvement to my code and I rank became worse
SujalAI: I ahte it when that happens
AntiSquid: don't worry that happenes to everyone in this contest
IAmNoob: it is 50% random SujalAI soooo...
SujalAI: How do I remove a specific element from an array in JS
Counterbalance: splice
AntiSquid: use the power of google
IAmNoob: :)))0
SujalAI: My rank became much worse after the improvement
IAmNoob: this is the first rule
IAmNoob: If your code works dont toucjh it
IAmNoob: touch*
TidyMaze: hi, there is a quick chart to track score evolution in time (top 20). F5 for new data
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vRdR4SpYZ-t8o11tqqMpMQruRPaMjRChAhyJAcWd38W41uExbPFK_I-TKpXjKll3-f6JkUod14jffDY/pubchart?oid=1159856779&format=interactive
SujalAI: The array thing doesn't work for some reason
AntiSquid: what array thing ?
Csipcsirip: does any1 have a replay with a corridor kill possibility at the start of the game ?
TheSkolar: https://www.codingame.com/replay/466193452
Csipcsirip: <3
SujalAI: I made a function to remove elements from an array
SujalAI: function remove(arr, ele){
return arr.filter((val, ind, arr) => val!=ele);
}
SujalAI: function remove(arr, ele){
return arr.filter((val, ind, arr) => val!=ele);
}
SujalAI: It works fine for arrays with numbers and strings
Counterbalance: val != ele might not work for {}
SujalAI: But I have an array with Pellet objects and it doesn't work on that
cegprakash: #40 and 12 hours ticking..
cegprakash: I just need 40 more iffs
cegprakash: to reach #1
Counterbalance: how do you get ele? do you know the index in the array? If so, just do arr.splice(index, 1)
SujalAI: I made an array which takes everything other than a wall as a pellet, now I need to remove the pellet objects which are in the place of a pac
SujalAI: because a pellet is gone when a pac is in its location
SujalAI: I don't know the index
cegprakash: don't delete an element from array it's costly.. have a flag array saying removed[5] and mark it true
SujalAI: what's a flag array
cegprakash: boolean array
cegprakash: if u want to delete index 2
SujalAI: okay
cegprakash: store erased[2] = true
Aplet123: doing that is stupid, then indexing is broken
Counterbalance: can do (val) => val.x != ele.x && val.y != ele.y to get that filter to work
SujalAI: Okay I will try that
cegprakash: exactly Aplet123
MadKnight: hey cegprakash how's your bot ?
MadKnight: already legend ?
cegprakash: ofc MadKnight
cegprakash: ezpz
cegprakash: but I'm stuck around #40-#60
cegprakash: there is some serious prediction going on in that range
cegprakash: so I'm adding my own prediction
cegprakash: slowly but surely
Counterbalance: not too slow, the timer will start blinking in 34 minutes
cegprakash: ot
cegprakash: it's time for eulerscheZahl #1
cegprakash: look at him go
MadKnight: cegprakash when is time for cegprakash #1 ?
cegprakash: A day may come
cegprakash: when I don't want to become #1
cegprakash: But it is not this day
MadKnight: today is the last day ceggy
MadKnight: gogogogo
eulerscheZahl: when you apply an unreasonable filter like country only, i am first. that's how aCat and his team got first at OoC
MSmits: I am first too then
Counterbalance: (β―Β°β‘Β°οΌβ―οΈ΅ β»ββ»
MSmits: sorry :P
cegprakash: cheer for me MadKnight
Counterbalance: :D
cegprakash: it counts
Braykin08: C'mon, country is absolutely reasonable
MSmits: I'm done though
SujalAI: I don't understand why the includes function is not not working. This is my code
SujalAI: [new Pellet(3,1,1)].includes(new Pellet(3,1,1))
SujalAI: And its showing false
MSmits: I didnt finish my todo list, but the changes would be marginal and I dont want to risk completely messing up my rank to start at recalc
SujalAI: Even though I just made an array with that exact element
MadKnight: because it doesn't include itself SujalAI
eulerscheZahl: i have a few TODOs too. but no biggies
MSmits: I never made a kill function
MSmits: I did write an avoidance function for dead ends
eulerscheZahl: except for my screwed up opening, going to the wrong super pellets on some maps
MSmits: but i dont think it works very well
TidyMaze: SujalAI javascript is a stupid language with no defined equals function. You cannot do oneObject == anotherObject
SujalAI: MadKnight I checked in an array with a pellet object for a pellet object
TidyMaze: includes uses the == operator
eulerscheZahl: i don't even try to avoid kills in dead ends
MSmits: oh
MSmits: i thought that was common?
cegprakash: TidyMaze very true u can't even sort an array of integers
MSmits: i mean if you kill there, why not avoid there?
eulerscheZahl: dunno, didn't feel like coding it
MSmits: i know that feeling, lost motivation for a few days now :P
eulerscheZahl: i guess that attitude is part of the reason why i will never win :D
eulerscheZahl: and the lack of talent
MSmits: well I've found in the last few contest that I've adopted your way of looking at it
MSmits: i can't be arsed, screw it
eulerscheZahl: :D
MSmits: i blame community games
MSmits: i enjoy them so much that whenever I spend a week on a contest like this, I miss them
eulerscheZahl: you truly like boardgames
MSmits: your Onitama was awesome
MSmits: yeah
eulerscheZahl: but now you are done i guess
eulerscheZahl: you have a good bot, the rest turns into randomness
MSmits: yeah i am I refitted the constants a while ago
MSmits: I think it's 60% vs karlis o and tric trac
MSmits: so its pretty clear
eulerscheZahl: and then they fit their constants again, beating you
and so on
eulerscheZahl: time to stop that cycle if you don't have ideas for real improvements
MSmits: right
MSmits: I am on breakthrough now
MSmits: seems really easy to code a sim for it
MSmits: but the strategy is hard
eulerscheZahl: an interesting game
struct: MSmits any board game you would like to see that isnt here yet?
MSmits: you know what people will answer to that
eulerscheZahl: i try to plit the board into regions that i minimax independently
MSmits: they've been dogging you for months
eulerscheZahl: if i attack here, i win in 4 moves
eulerscheZahl: opponent takes 6, so attack
MSmits: thats the idea i think eulerscheZahl
MSmits: i think you need to take a pawn and then only consider the stuff diagonally ahead of it
MSmits: the other pawns cant reach it
MSmits: so you can min max that area
dbf: oh, looks like I need to setup clock for 5am tomorrow to test couple of fixes :(
eulerscheZahl: or a group of pawns
dbf: submits are so slow
MSmits: yeah
eulerscheZahl: your attacker team
MSmits: maybe so. I think I will need a look up array to look up patterns and eval them
eulerscheZahl: everyone playing now. it will end soon
eulerscheZahl: 33 computing in legend alone
eulerscheZahl: 214 in total
SujalAI: Can you tell me what mistake I'm doing here:
SujalAI: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466711042
MSmits: you're not moving
dbf: where is aws auto-scaling when we need it?
eulerscheZahl: ignoring big pellet at 15,12
TidyMaze: SujalAI turn 17, you bump several times your own pacs
MSmits: thats how they say hello
MSmits: social distancing
cegprakash: SujalAI turn 17 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9V78UbdzWI&feature=youtu.be&t=81
eulerscheZahl: and then moving both units in a line, not spreading and harvesting
SujalAI: I'm just in bronze
eulerscheZahl: and still no SPEED as i told you earlier
MSmits: eulerscheZahl does it seem like there are more top players than usual? You know many from other platforms right?
cegprakash: SujalAI first turn u are not moving all ur pacs
MSmits: and older contests
MSmits: I'm just wondering if besides having more players we also have more top players
eulerscheZahl: there are some from topcoder
eulerscheZahl: i don't know all of them, i'm that not active there
MSmits: ah ok
eulerscheZahl: topcoders: psyh o, ieh h, davier 19, sullype r
eulerscheZahl: all capable of beating me on their platform
MSmits: speed is more of an issue there right?
eulerscheZahl: fast coding?
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: like a few hrs
eulerscheZahl: no, these are marathon matches too. 1 week for an optim problem
MSmits: ah ok
eulerscheZahl: topcoder has short rounds as well. but i ignore them
MSmits: you know, if this was a short contest, I would actually have gotten a better rank. First time that happened
eulerscheZahl: https://tinyurl.com/y9mqv25y
sorry for URL shortener. the target has [] in it, not recognized as link by the chat
eulerscheZahl: so we won't see you rise this night?
MSmits: no
MSmits: it's done
MSmits: well I wont submit anything new that is
MSmits: dunno what other people will do
eulerscheZahl: i hereby claim victory over MSmits
ZarthaxX: LOL
MSmits: well deserved too
MSmits: too often I beat you by 2 ranks :P
eulerscheZahl: kind of got a habit :D
MSmits: hehe yea. Maybe next time :)
MSmits: I'm hoping no more hidden information though
dbdr: lol, numbers of subs in top 15
dbdr: almost everyone
eulerscheZahl: 7
eulerscheZahl: 8
Illedan: Hi, zup?
MSmits: hi
WINWINWIN: eulerscheZahl so back to #1 global now :)
eulerscheZahl: 12h to go
then it's finally over
dbdr: eulerscheZahl, your estimated probability of finally getting that top 3 achievement? ;)
MSmits: WINWINWIN he's been trading places with royale for a while now
eulerscheZahl: 2%
MSmits: it's entertaining
ashelkov: luck to everyone!
dbdr: that's low
WINWINWIN: :D looks like it will take a considerable lead now, huge lead in contest and when it comes as a multi, that too
eulerscheZahl: i have to improve for top3 for sure
MSmits: people find it hard to optimize vs you eulerscheZahl
ashelkov: its pretty hard to validate ideas beacuse of long submit and random factor
MSmits: because you crash their IDE games
eulerscheZahl: not even on purpose :(
kovi: euler - who do you think currently top3?
struct: I wonder if this is going to get fixed
eulerscheZahl: the randomness is a pain
MSmits: you're just straining C#
struct: I know you dont abuse it but still
MSmits: to the max
eulerscheZahl: there are at least 10 candidates for top3
kovi: ok
eulerscheZahl: and we don't know who's hiding
dbdr: is there such a strong meta? I would think most of the time you can improve in general
dbdr: not against a specific player
dbdr: but I have not been really paying attention to that
kovi: probably some metas in (aggression)
MSmits: one time I did a submit that got 8% winrate out of 100 vs kovi and 50% vs euler (40% if you discount the crashes)
dbdr: right
MSmits: i did a test i mean
MSmits: cg bench
MSmits: then i changed a constant and it was 47% vs kovi
MSmits: so yea... meta
MSmits: i just cant explain what causes the difference exactly. It's hidden meta
kovi: what was that constant lol?
kovi: priv
ZarthaxX: Nerchio you are making me nervous lol
MSmits: had to do with how I handled opponent prediction
kovi: (ofcourse)
eulerscheZahl: games parsed: 215 timeouts found: 0
MSmits: dont know the details
eulerscheZahl: take that!
MSmits: gj :)
kovi: that is meta independent improvement
MSmits: no i was doing a probability thing where I floodfilled out from opponents with their speed per turn, making many assumptions
MSmits: some of them might conflict with your bot behavior
kovi: i meant eulers no timeout improvement
MSmits: when i set the constant to 0, my bot was back to normal winrate vs you
Nerchio: ZarthaxX i just spam submit i dont code for like the past 5 days
Nerchio: i fixed only some variables
ZarthaxX: oh..
ZarthaxX: but man, wtf you were there
ZarthaxX: painful to watch
Nerchio: yeah close
ZarthaxX: wait a sec for that dude submitting
Nerchio: lost too many now
ZarthaxX: maybe he pushes u
MSmits: how close Nerchio?
ZarthaxX: D:
Nerchio: i feel from 1st twice i think
Nerchio: fell
MSmits: wow damn
MSmits: if you end very near the boss, keep it there if many are submitting
Nerchio: i dont like this challenge though i can end on 300th and on 1st
MSmits: maybe someone submits who pushes you
ZarthaxX: Nerchio for real same submit in gold has that behaviour?
NinjaDoggy: lol "i can end on 300th and on 1st" true
Nerchio: yea
ZarthaxX: wtf
Nerchio: gold is sad
MSmits: it's like that in legend also, though its a smaller league
MSmits: so smaller spread
MSmits: I am 20-60
eulerscheZahl: that's why i always try to be above the boss when a new league opens
Nerchio: maybe not 300 but 150+ easily
NinjaDoggy: I miss perfect information games :(
NinjaDoggy: less meta based :(
MSmits: same NinjaDoggy
eulerscheZahl: no submitting at 5:55pm
ZarthaxX: those weredays
NinjaDoggy: COIF was so sick
MSmits: but do arena's after the contest, most of them are perfect information
eulerscheZahl: COIF was great
MSmits: COIF was great, wish i had had a little more time fo rit
Nerchio: i have a positive win ratio vs the boss but still i mean too much luck
MSmits: Nerchio
MSmits: stay up all night
MSmits: keep submitting
MSmits: you will pull him down
eulerscheZahl: wait a bit
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/replay/466727600
MSmits: with less people submitting, your 50% + will win out
eulerscheZahl: 0.6 below the boss
Nerchio: would be nice to go legend but i dont care that much if i dont get it
eulerscheZahl: you have to get up there and fight the boss
MSmits: what is your exact winrate vs boss Nerchio?
wlesavo: i promouted from #7, with that many people submiting you will be in legend in no time
Nerchio: it was 33% before i fixed variables :D
dbdr: Nerchio that is NOT the spirit ;)
MSmits: and now?
Nerchio: now its 55% or something i think
Nerchio: i tested 180games
MSmits: mmh to trust 55%, you have to test with like 200 games
Nerchio: yeah close
MSmits: ah... not very certain, but within lucky submit range
MSmits: the thing is, if noone else submits, you will promote everyone your bot is weak against and only keep the players your bot is strong against, and you will pull down the boss
Nerchio: long term maybe yes but last time submitters pulled me down :D
MSmits: other people submitting will mess this process up
eulerscheZahl: but when the next submit finishes around 100, it doesn't matter
MSmits: this is why you dont go to sleep
MSmits: pro-tip
Nerchio: lol :P
eulerscheZahl: or script the submitting
cfenoy: anyone having random timeout while reading the input?
eulerscheZahl: python?
cfenoy: yes
MSmits: you need to let your bot read it, human reading is too slow
Nerchio: euler I feel like if more people used the scripts and apps that top players use this site would explode :p
eulerscheZahl: flush your error stream
MSmits: 50 ms
cfenoy: ok, I'll try that, thanks
**MSmits trollmode off
Thiesjoo: MSmits no sleeping? How does that work?
Cappefra: Nerchio already tried submit spamming?
MSmits: well, you stay up all night and keep submitting until legend
eulerscheZahl: Nerchio that's why noone has shared the timeout checker
MSmits: not me though, I am done.
MSmits: need to teach you tomorrow Thiesjoo
eulerscheZahl: you have to download each match individually
Cappefra: feels bad seeing you #2 the whole day
MSmits: dont want to be zombie
Thiesjoo: Zombies are cool too :)
NapTown: so who's going to win this thing
MSmits: true true
eulerscheZahl: i still feel bad for the OoC stats I made. downloading 5GB of replays
MSmits: brb
ZarthaxX: so cool looking at teacher-student chat here lol
Cappefra: any idea why cgbenchmark would add this characters at the beginning of my program? 
Cappefra: of course every game fails like that
cfenoy: even with flushing stderr it still times out. I can see a debug message before reading the pellets, but not after
eulerscheZahl: encoding
Nerchio: AI coomunicates with you
Cappefra: lol
eulerscheZahl: try to save it with a different encoding
eulerscheZahl: UTF8 if Neumann is a reasonable person
Cappefra: I'd have oped VS Code already saves it like that
Cappefra: let me see
MSmits: ZarthaxX yeah I like that Thiesjoo joined.
MSmits: first time i see one of my students in a contest
Thiesjoo: Im trying my best, currently rank 600 in silver
eulerscheZahl: Nerchio submitted again. and failed the first few matches
AntiSquid: submits got slower?
Thiesjoo: Goal was top 1000 overall, but looks like im not going to make that
Nerchio: yea and i submit again and again :D
Neumann: https://github.com/s-vivien/CGBenchmark/blob/master/src/main/java/fr/svivien/cgbenchmark/CGBenchmark.java#L94
MSmits: yeah it's better than anyone else from your class would manage though, so well done.
AntiSquid: it's very random
AntiSquid: extremely random
dbf: MSmits, if your student beats you in a contest will it count for an exam?
Neumann: I suppose it's UTF8 by default .. not sure
Nerchio: 500 people gold with pacman randomness is too much
AntiSquid: like AutomatonNN's underwear are falling off kind of random
AutomatonNN: yeah
Nerchio: i need to win first 12+ matches to shoot up to top80
AntiSquid: see?
MSmits: dbf unfortunately I teach him two subjects but neither of them are computer science :)
MSmits: physics and a subject similar to physics
MSmits: my colleague teaches him CS
Thiesjoo: NLT is pretty fun tho
AntiSquid: ya submit spam is the only way
Cappefra: yeah VS Code does utf8 by default
Thiesjoo: Nature, life and technology
MSmits: yeah
AntiSquid: mandatory loss streak incoming ?
Neumann: Cappefra: what's happening ?
MSmits: i guess dynamic modelling is a bit CS-like
AntiSquid: nerchio i saw you at top 5 i think, what happened?
Nerchio: unlucky last matches :P
Neumann: Nerchio : what are you up to these days ? Working in IT ?
AntiSquid: and how much did you get dropped?
Nerchio: im finishing studies as my profile suggests
Nerchio: what do you mean antisquid
AntiSquid: Neumann still thinks it's that starcraft player?
Nerchio: i think spam submit is a better way to advance rather than waiting for 1 point difference
Neumann: I though you already graduated. Studying what field ?
AntiSquid: from top 5 how much did you drop before you submitted ... you lose rank / drop in rank when you lose, that's what i meant
MSmits: is that one of Thrall's spirit wolves Nerchio
Nerchio: distributed systems
Nerchio: idk its a wolf :D
MSmits: it's a spirit wolf
Neumann: Nice
Nerchio: yes
AntiSquid: it's a pooch MSmits, can't recognize it?
Nerchio: antisquid i resubmit at top3 :P
AntiSquid: i wouldn't have done that
AntiSquid: streak of bad luck here
AntiSquid: this is a rank 400+ bot and look at it now, it's top 100 for now at least, but still weird
MSmits: hey, how long have you had that avatar AntiSquid
MSmits: I've used that picture in power point presentations
AntiSquid: maybe if i slide that one magic variable in my code one more time and do a backflip i get rank 1 legend who knows
MSmits: to explain how stars are formed
AntiSquid: it's the pacman nebula
AntiSquid: so since contest started
MSmits: pretty sure it's the eagle nebula :P
AntiSquid: well you're wrong
MSmits: sure, correct the astrophysicist on names of nebulae
MSmits: it could have been named the pacman nebula
AntiSquid: i searched pacman nebula, same picture appeared on 100 different sites so
MSmits: lol
AntiSquid: i can agree with 1 person and disagree with everyone else, but what's the point ?
Bernard_Lowe: if you push code and your code is worse then earlier, you won't lose your league rank right (gold, silver, etc) ?
MSmits: hmm you might be right, if i look at the bigger version it s abit different
AntiSquid: MSmits i just searched eagle nebula, it's not that one, maybe you're confused because it's a small picture
BeeGee: Bernard_Lowe no, you don't lose your league rank
MSmits: you're right AntiSquid
MSmits: they are pretty similar
AntiSquid: also is any of them colored in their true color on the internet?
MSmits: I thought you were kidding with the pacman nebula and you just went through lots of nebulae until you found one that looks like pacman :p
AntiSquid: i mean the results show same thing in 30 different colors
MSmits: most of them arent colored true
MSmits: much of it is UV light
MSmits: or infrared
MSmits: often a combination to see different features
MSmits: some of these radiation types get through dust very well, i think infrared does this. It's important to see through dust clouds
cegprakash: does anyone have a number on average no. of turns in a game?
cegprakash: in legend/gold
AntiSquid: ok the randomness in this game is getting really ugly
AntiSquid: i mean the leaderboard
Nerchio: yes :(
AntiSquid: not the game
MSmits: worse than ooc isnt it AntiSquid?
cegprakash: Nerchio what is it
Nerchio: its a lot worse than ooc in my opinion
cegprakash: oh the randomness
AntiSquid: ooc was nowhere near as bad as this MSmits, in fact i don't remember ooc being random, but maybe i forgot about it
AntiSquid: this is like fking lottery
Nerchio: :D
cegprakash: it's random because lot of good bots with bugs exist in gold
MSmits: it was pretty random when i tried to get past gold boss and I do seem to remember you complaining about it too. Might have been someone else though
AntiSquid: good bots with bugs :thinking: lol
MSmits: cegprakash bugs are not the reason
cegprakash: yeah good bots with bugs will be in bottom usually
AntiSquid: ah i remember now MSmits, there was some randomness true, but i think that was about 20 ranks
AntiSquid: this can be 100 - 300 ranks difference from submit to submit
MSmits: the reason for the randomness is that even if one bot is generally a lot better than another, one unlucky turn by a pac may offset this difference
MSmits: and there is luck involved due to hidden information
0xCAFE: Heeeellll, i was so close of beating the gold boss. I was 3rd.. Now i'm 9th :(
0xCAFE: Rip me
AntiSquid: maybe the number of pellets needs to be increase / arena size ?
Braykin08: I feel you
Cappefra: I just submitted and I'm feeling unlucky
Hvosten: I cant advance to gold, righ after the boss :D
AntiSquid: mandatory random loss streak commenced
MSmits: I know the feeling of being stuck behind gold boss too. I always got past eventually, but one time as late as 1 am on the last day, when i refused to go to bed until legend
MSmits: this is why i am saying, no sleep!
Cappefra: ooc was my first contest and this one's my second, made gold in both but no legend
0xCAFE: I think, I'm gonna sleep instead
Hvosten: And you submit the same algorithm?
0xCAFE: It's my first contest
NinjaDoggy: I don't think I'll be able to last day promote to legend this contest :(
Hvosten: my too
0xCAFE: It's not so bad
Cappefra: I didn't really try in ooc though, when I made gold I was like I'M OUTTA HERE
Cappefra: but I was hoping for legend this time, it's frustrating to see my 2-day-old bot doing better than anything other I've tried even though I've objectively solved some bugs
MSmits: wow NinjaDoggy, you have top 3 achiev
cegprakash: Cappefra been there done that
NinjaDoggy: yea! COIF :D
0xCAFE: Yeah same. It can be frustrating
AntiSquid: NinjaDoggy, if chodukai did then so can you ! :p
0xCAFE: The problem with this game is that it's too random
MSmits: well done that NinjaDoggy
cegprakash: what I did was Cappefra I installed winmerge and made a middle version between current and old
AntiSquid: 1 day legend
cegprakash: and then use that version to move ahead
Cappefra: tried that too, though manually
Cappefra: it's pretty much what I'm submitting now but it doesn't seem like it's moving from bottom gold, the other one was mid-gold
Scarfield: chodukai-san would have gotten legend the first day, if he joined the first dat :o
reCurse: *chokudai
AntiSquid: i just use diffinity to compare versions (old style i guess, since others use the command line)
AntiSquid: say his name 3 times and he will appear, reCurse
Scarfield: Biggie-smalls, Biggie-smalls
Scarfield: ..
AntiSquid: i guess he doesn't need the screen
SkyDreamer: hi
Scarfield: he doesnt even need a keyboard
SkyDreamer: how to sort a char Array in alphabetical order depite upper or lower case?
AntiSquid: that depends on the language
AntiSquid: which language are you using?
SkyDreamer: java
AntiSquid: also it's best to google these kind of questions, there are tons of examples of how to do stuff for all languages
SkyDreamer: Arrays.sort gives upper case first
AntiSquid: well most language (popular ones)
Clagus: this game is nuts... xD
https://www.codingame.com/replay/466769637
how to loose 4/5 pacs and not loose a game? LUCK! :D
ashelkov: how to loose all pacs and not loose a game? ))
Clagus: that's almost what happened
AntiSquid: happened multiple times to many and surely to many others
Durkin: phew, I'm tuckered all out on this contest, but was looking over old ones and saw tron, god doing a tron bot is fun
Durkin: need to revisit it
MSmits: there are many fun games on CG
MSmits: if you like simple games, try one of the many board games
reCurse: itsatrap.jpg
Cappefra: 105 people in legend
Cappefra: If nerchio doesn't make it there's no way I'll make it
Nerchio: lol :p
Nerchio: dont base your success on other people
Nerchio: i didnt code too much for the past 5 days for this contest
Cappefra: no but you're good and today you've been trying to beat the league from a position that was already better than mine lol
Nerchio: i started last league same as you so not sure what you mean 'good' :p
Cappefra: made legend in ooc is enough for "good" haha
Nerchio: ok :p
AntiSquid: ya ooc legend is really good imo
Nerchio: it had a lot going on but i think it was simpler to come up with what you actually need
Nerchio: than this xD
Cappefra: I'm totally with you on this
Cappefra: this is frustrating af
Cappefra: "I KNOW WHAT'LL DO IT *tap tap tap submit drops 300 ranks"
CowZow: Wowz, this was a really impressive trap case handled by romka: https://www.codingame.com/replay/466784361
cegprakash: 9 wins in first 12.. after a long time.. may be good submit?
Clagus: CowZow - but he seems to completely ignore the big pellet right before his eyes :D
Clagus: don't know how can you do it on such a high level xD
Kukiss: CowZow that still very interesting that he did not consume the last super pellet after the kill
Clagus: that's what I just said
CowZow: Hmmm good point, yeah that is interesting
CowZow: I wonder what kind of interactions were at play there
Daher: Hello
Kukiss: oh, sorry Clagus :D just watched the match and typed before following the chat
cegprakash: AntiSquid turn 21 https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466789302 u don't have anti accident yet?
AntiSquid: i don't hear anyone else mention anti accident
AntiSquid: see *
cegprakash: everyone does it
cegprakash: just that nobody tells you
cegprakash: nobody dies in accident in legend league
cegprakash: at least when it's obvious
cegprakash: like this case
Cappefra: how do you avoid that? the turn he sees it is when he gets eaten
cegprakash: no
cegprakash: he should create a danger zone around him
cegprakash: based on what he saw in the past
cegprakash: and where my pacs were
cegprakash: in the past
AntiSquid: i have a tracker, it's incomplete, that's about it
Cappefra: that doesn't seem like an obvious case tbh
AntiSquid: maybe calling it a tracker is better ?
cegprakash: I like not dying to accidents
cegprakash: I call it anti accidents
Doju: Are there always 4 super pellets?
AntiSquid: es
AntiSquid: yes
Doju: thanks
MSmits: thats more like a day 2 question :P
Doju: :D
cegprakash: wait what
cegprakash: I thought it's random
Doju: well, my pacs have been doing all the thinking for me MSmits
Cappefra: none of you is switching after turn 91 there
MSmits: ah ok, thats good Doju
AntiSquid: switching there is bad Cappefra
AntiSquid: usually
AntiSquid: well depends on enemy
cegprakash: Cappefra that's the best move there
cegprakash: u switch u lose the pellet to opponent
AntiSquid: that's one annoying corner case of the contest
AntiSquid: me standing there is a mistake though lol
AntiSquid: it's my last pac
AntiSquid: could switch though, have nothing to lose and am behind points, cegprakash
AntiSquid: but generally didn't seem to be good idea
Cappefra: that's kinda the only play adjustment I make
AntiSquid: need more if else
cegprakash: u have everything to lose AntiSquid
cegprakash: that 1 pellet changes things
Cappefra: play-style I meant
cegprakash: than ur life
faresnaoui: hello everybode:)
AntiSquid: it's 1 pac vs 3, i should switch at that frame lol
AntiSquid: then it's 1 vs 2 . so
Zenoscave: ceg I have a question for your anti-accident stuff
Zenoscave: Can I PM you?
cegprakash: What I don't have yet is this : https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466804226
Kukiss: that's a nice play there
Hvosten: After four days finally gold <3
Hvosten: I can go sleep :D
Hvosten: good luck
Kukiss: gz :)
cegprakash: gz
Cappefra: cegprakash
Cappefra: woah that play tho
Doju: gz Hvosten
Doju: Okay, a few more tweaks
Doju: maybe 2 more features
Doju: then i'm done
AntiSquid: hvosten no sleep till legend!
AntiSquid: no sleep till legend Doju
Doju: stop it pls
Doju: I'm kinda tempted but lets be honest
Doju: without some major improvements that not gonna happen :D
Cappefra: I don't even know what I'm still trying to do here
Cappefra: Same Dou
Cappefra: Doju
AntiSquid: nobody took the big pellet
Doju: Oh you're right next to me in rankings Cappefra
EvModder: i take a break for 6 hours, come back, and i'm #16.
no changes to my code whatsoever
AntiSquid: and you were #5 or so before eh ?
EvModder: i'm starting to think that not participating is the best strat xD
EvModder: very briefly
EvModder: i don't know if i'll finish in top 20 tbh, but i will try and put some time in
AntiSquid: was a joke, that you dropped 5 to 16 without changing code
EvModder: i went from 50 -> 16 without changing code
EvModder: :)
AntiSquid: good
Cappefra: Doju I just lost 200 ranks though
EvModder: yes, but how do i replicate this tactic lol
Doju: :o
Doju: how'd that happen Cappefra?
Cappefra: cause I'm still trying shit that I hope works and inevitably doesn't
AntiSquid: probably leave bot as is and only test in IDE until you 100% sure about the change though even 100% isn't enouhg in this game :/
Doju: This feels dumb
Doju: i'm bringing a variable along a loong chain of functions
Doju: when in reality only the last one needs it
Doju: :/
EvModder: i have a function header with 9 parameters...
EvModder: and most of them are maps, sets, or vectors
EvModder: wait did i say 9? apparently it's 13
EvModder: that's how bad my code is right now xD
Doju: fixed it
Doju: Object oriented programming for the win :P
EvModder: :D
Doju: EvModder yeh my code was decent-ish with everything pretty much organized
Doju: until this morning when i needed performance for magic math
EvModder: ahahha yes
Doju: now it's all a huge mess
stakka: do pacs also 'see' via the wrap around?
stakka: if a pellet is on a straight line on the other side of the map and there is no wall in between
Doju: Ohh shoot
Spifflejedi: yes it will be seen
stakka: thanks
Doju: mine dont hahhah
Spifflejedi: the pellet will be in the list ;)
Doju: wait no, that doesnt matter...
EvModder: LOL
Doju: i swear they do stupid things around the border
EvModder: yeah i've had some problems with it
Doju: maybe it's just my imagination
EvModder: my manhattan_dist() was bad for a long time with the border
EvModder: there would be a deadly enemy and my pac would just walk onto them
Spifflejedi: manhattan distance does not consider the potential wall
Hvosten: I also used manhattan metric, later switched to graphs path finding. How many lines of code do you have?
Doju: Hvosten 1130 and counting
Doju: although maybe 100 of that are old commented out things
Hvosten: 675 :D
Dr-D: Time to remove all those comments
Dr-D: ;)
Dr-D: I write too slow =(
Spifflejedi: 1250
EvModder: nice
muy31: yo Doju we finally made it!
EvModder: i have a ton of comments, currently 1400
Doju: muy31 we did it!
EvModder: i will probably be able to trim it down to 1000 the end, if i can manage to clean it up
Hvosten: Doju I am after you in the ranking :D
Hvosten: not right now :D
Doju: :p
Cappefra: submit's slow af right now
Nerchio: y
AntiSquid: i trimmed 400 lines from my code, could do more, but only did bare minimum to make it more readable
Xlos: I'm only around 600 xd
Xlos: Though I don't have many comments
cegprakash: why am I selecting cars when I'm supposed to select crosswalks
Braykin08: made it to legend. Finally
Doju: graatz Braykin08
cegprakash: just in time Braykin08
cegprakash: biw grab some snacks
cegprakash: coz u deserve it
cegprakash: AntiSquid doesn't
ZarthaxX: that's kind of rude
pde-bakk: I hope to reach legend too tonight, but the difference in score between the top and me seems so big
Braykin08: Now that this is done. How many hours did y'all spent?
ZarthaxX: that's relative pde-bakk
Doju: Waaayyy too many
Braykin08: I but be at like 50h?
Doju: like...
Doju: 11 days? * 15 h
Doju: xD
pde-bakk: @ZarthaxX im ~100 in gold, need like 4 more score points but that is so much
Braykin08: Don't give up pde-bakk. I spent 2 days hovering in top 10 golds until I made the right improvement
pde-bakk: what was that improvement, or do you prefer not to spill?
Braykin08: I'll stay broad. Opponent prediction
pde-bakk: Yeah thats something ive been meaning to get to but damn
Clagus: the easiest way is to calculate enemy moves just like you do with your pacs
Doju: that'd make me time out :-D
Clagus: :D
pde-bakk: true but I dont have as much time for that as C++ people do
Clagus: I'm talking c#
Clagus: that's what I do anyways
AntiSquid: ceg be more humble, i beat boss for you to reach legend
Clagus: :P
pde-bakk: Im talking Ruby
Braykin08: I might have misspoke. I don't not predict where they will go, but where they went
pde-bakk: yeah I understand, that was my plan too
Braykin08: Goddamn legend is ranking up fast. I'm now 38th lol. How many hiders are there?
pde-bakk: what are hiders?
Braykin08: People who "hide' their bot by not submitting it until the end
pde-bakk: to not reveal their strategies, so people cant counter them?
pde-bakk: I thought the entire point of legend was to keep coming up with new strats to counter opponents
Braykin08: Not submitting doesn't mean you cant counter them by playing what they submitted last
AntiSquid: ah there are fun last minute submits that even get #1 in the contest
AntiSquid: not always
AntiSquid: and less likely in this RNG fest
berries: anyone know when the next contest is?
AntiSquid: no
AntiSquid: not announcedd
JBM: there is no next contest
Braykin08: I hope not to seen. I need to take time off lol
Braykin08: soon*
AntiSquid: there were only like 2 weeks between ooc and this one
pde-bakk: I didnt do the ooc one, but did a run of Fantastic bits that the 42network hosted
pde-bakk: which was only like a month ago too
Doju: Lets see how many things i actually did from the to-do list
AntiSquid: lol the 42 was private club
Doju: "enemy memory & prediction" no
Doju: "probabilities" yes
Nerchio: yeah antisquid haha :D
Nerchio: this is the one we were trying to find
cegprakash: hey eulerscheZahl I found a bug in ur bot
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466862245
cegprakash: or is it intentional suicide?
Doju: i did like 8/14 depending on how you count them. Pretty decent :-D
Chkoupinator: is it guaranteed that we see an enemy before it gets killed by our bot (supposing both walk in the same cell after being in a corner)?
Chkoupinator: I suppose not?
RoboStac: nope, thats why the dead pacs were given in silver
RoboStac: so you could tell that had happened
Chkoupinator: wells hit
Chkoupinator: well shit*
Chkoupinator: I'm still in bronze
Chkoupinator: I don't understand why it makes sense to give more info on higher leagues though lol
Chkoupinator: especially one that's this crucial
RoboStac: it was more it was missing and needed adding and they didn't want to break the existing bronze bots
RoboStac: it's not really that useful
SkyDreamer: can i delete an object in java?
Nerchio: no
SkyDreamer: so if i create an int array, i cant recreate it later
Nerchio: if it doesnt have references it will be removed by garbage collector
Nerchio: i mean you can if you have a reference to it
SkyDreamer: well u cant change size of an array once its created
Nerchio: so maybe use a list if you need a changing size
SkyDreamer: but arraylist u can only add slots never reduce i think
Nerchio: it does shrink when you remove elements
cegprakash: how to play on this seed: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466876237
Nerchio: you have expert mode enabled?
SkyDreamer: to remove i only need to ArrayList = null; right?
Nerchio: hmm not sure aboutthat
Xlos: I've got a new record, my code has 7 end braces in a row with no code in between
pde-bakk: ahahah @cegprakash he doesnt mind keeping you stuck there forever, you could send a paperpac to unstuck yours and have a man advantage
Xlos: It's not even nested in a class, just a void function with quickly ending logic
RockyMullet: hum, my sim works, but its all buggued
RockyMullet: no time to debug that...
drykberg: stupid question: what would be the reason if pacs don't move continously, but rater stop-and-go like?
drykberg: also several of my pacs only receive commands every other round or so? hmm too slow? too many conditions to check etc?
duckquackduck: other pacmans are probably using speed
drykberg: i just got into bronze
duckquackduck: the ones not using speed, will move slowly @drykberg
drykberg: in wood they all move normally
drykberg: ah okay, i see, indeed, the enemy uses speed in the beginning but then they also move slowly, i get it
drykberg: in bronze i have to give pacs commands ingame?
drykberg: oh well.. thank you. Very big help already
duckquackduck: np. what you mean in game? you need to prove each pacman command every round
drykberg: well idk, maybe im confused. There were indications here and there that I can change the code or pass in values while the game is played
drykberg: i probably misunderstood that, i hope so, coz i rather not do that
drykberg: ah okay so now, not just MOVE 1 2 3, but also SPEED 1 or SWITCH 1 ROCK
MarekM: LORD BETRAYUS (timed out), just wow
BenjaminUrquhart: oh so that's why my rank dropped so suddenly
BenjaminUrquhart: they broke java stuff
berries: is the time limit when submissions close or when leaderboards close
duckquackduck: submissions close
ZarthaxX: berries game will be available after finishing prob
Doju: i really need to go to bed :/
Doju: Just one more feature though :p
Doju: and then maybe some variable analysis
Doju: now i have extra_magic_values
Chkoupinator: I know the feel lol, been fasting these days and both yesterday and today I didn't eat for an additional ~ 1h (more the day before, about 30 mins today) for the sake of adding something to this heh
Doju: same lol
Doju: or really the problem is that going to the shop takes time away from this :D
cegprakash: I struggle to get to super pellets on this seed: seed=8258687542604494800
BenjaminUrquhart: ceg
BenjaminUrquhart: wait no
cegprakash: what
BenjaminUrquhart: I was looking you up in the leaderboard but the chat window stole my keyboard focus
cegprakash: don worry I'll win this
cegprakash: I'm hiding my best bot
cegprakash: will there be more games during final calc?
BenjaminUrquhart: yes
cegprakash: why do I have a huge bug on this seed :"(
Doju: oh shoot
Doju: i timed out
Doju: i think...
thethiny: @Doju yo gratz on the gold
Doju: thx thethiny
thethiny: I was checking and I have 3 major bugs in my code, but I ain't gonna fix them, I will rank lower than what I am now and there's only 8 hours left
thethiny: not worth it
Doju: :o
Doju: why not
thethiny: If I resubmit I'll stay in gold
thethiny: but my rank will go back to 500
thethiny: and I'm happy with #371
ZarthaxX: thethiny just do it
Doju: mmkay
ZarthaxX: i also did that in the past but then ended submitting
ZarthaxX: you will regret
thethiny: @ZarthaxX I'll just consider the competition over
Doju: i'm so lost
Doju: i have a million different arrays
ZarthaxX: :( ok
Doju: im not used to this D:
thethiny: XD
thethiny: guys let's compare Lines of Code
thethiny: how much do you have
Doju: 1020 pretty much all working code
thethiny: mine is 1455
cegprakash: 1500
MarekM: python 720
thethiny: nice we're around the same
Doju: my magic method just doesn't want to cooperate anymore
thethiny: this is the biggest amount of code I've ever written in 1 file
Doju: same
Doju: and biggest coding project anyways
berries: can the pac see through the wrapped line of sight in bronze
thethiny: yes
morning_cloud: I am at 451 lines
Doju: oh what the hell rofl
Doju: why do i have 8 rows in this array
Dr-D: 447 (bronze)
Doju: not 5 for the number of pacs or like 250 for the number of cells but 8?!
shatteredcube: enemy pacs or double counting your own pacs?
drykberg: is it a bad approach to control pacs using if conditions?
Doju: not really i dont think so shatteredcube
drykberg: is there any other way even? ^^
pde-bakk: no there isnt drykberg
drykberg: okay ^^
pde-bakk: see what the conditions are like, and act based on the information you have
Dr-D: Or train an NN ;)
cegprakash: does anyone else feel so hard with this seed seed=8258687542604494800
cegprakash: or is it just me?
Dr-D: There are many roads to improve
drykberg: has anyone done that? train a nn?
thethiny: I don't think so
drykberg: is that even possible? not really is it?
thethiny: cuz all the top are C++
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466960543 this map :@ :@
Dr-D: Usually there lots of the top coders here share there approach in the forum one the content ends
Dr-D: I bet there is at least one
Dr-D: Evaluation of the submit is sooo slow - I should use the time to write a new feature to it =D
AntiSquid: ofc it's possible drykberg, but who has time in a week to do it for this complicated game? i am no expert maybe someone can do it
Doju: Oh it's been working all along
Doju: lol
Doju: not sure how i got the length of eight
cegprakash: AntiSquid I found a bug and I've no idea how to fix it
cegprakash: this is weird
cegprakash: so what I do is
cegprakash: I get closest pellet to all my pacs
cegprakash: greedily from my pac index 0
cegprakash: also greedily choosing pellets
Dr-D: Improved by 3k!
Dr-D: O.O
cegprakash: so the star pellet usually goes to id=>0 and id=>1
Dr-D: Steps are big in bronze =D
cegprakash: now say I got 4 pacs
cegprakash: *5 pacs
cegprakash: and the id 4 is in a better position to eat this star pellet
cegprakash: how do I command it
cegprakash: :O
cegprakash: right now I swap stuff randomly
cegprakash: based on sum of distances
Dr-D: check distances from every one of your pac to every super pellet and send the closest? remember that choice for the next round ;)
cegprakash: unfortunately I"m simming
cegprakash: and I don't predict enemy will steal my star pellet
Doju: whaa
thethiny: I'm not simming but MY PACS eat MY Star Pellets
BenjaminUrquhart: same
thethiny: that's the bug I was talking about
cegprakash: that hurts :'(
BenjaminUrquhart: until something breaks
Doju: im giving the pellets some negative value based on the average distance to other pacs
thethiny: or
thethiny: you can do something easier
BenjaminUrquhart: I'm breaking everything
BenjaminUrquhart: it's a great strategy
thethiny: give the other pacs a value of -5
thethiny: * the distance
Doju: but changing the constant that does that
Doju: does nothing??
thethiny: less expensive
cegprakash: :'(
cegprakash: Suppose I have 20 games on this seed
cegprakash: think about it
cegprakash: I will lose all 20
cegprakash: and think about all the seeds similar to this
Doju: anybody got a perfectly deterministic bot?
thethiny: what does deterministic means
Doju: it doesnt have randomness
thethiny: yeah mine
Dr-D: Not even a bit randomness?
Dr-D: O.o
thethiny: I don't need it
thethiny: why do I need randomness
thethiny: there isn't a single random decision here
thethiny: if you're stuck by a friend, give pass to the biggest path value
thethiny: if you're stuck with enemy, then switch, else keep getting stuck
thethiny: if he's not cooldown
thethiny: then run away
Doju: I have no idea why but it seems like my pacs are just wiggling about
Doju: going back and forth
thethiny: Here's me against myself
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466986148
thethiny: here's a proof that I don't use randomness oh lord XD
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466987105
Dr-D: =D
thethiny: Frame 54
thethiny: I spent most of my time on this ππ
thethiny: Playing Astronomia when I am sure I'm dying
Dr-D: Dmnd - found an endless loop in my code -.-
drykberg: is it possible to get to silver with randomness ? :sweat_smile:
Dr-D: calculate line of sight with a straight line without any wall
thethiny: :D
BenjaminUrquhart: drykberg why random
Doju: maybe because there's 7 hours left
drykberg: because i dont know how to do pathfinding or any of that business work...
drykberg: how*
thethiny: what language?
drykberg: works*
drykberg: C :grinning:
drykberg: im a hard beginner at coding...
thethiny: Hard Beginner + Path Finding in C?
thethiny: I suggest you find another language
drykberg: thats why im not doing pathfinding :grinning:
drykberg: although, 7 hours to go! who knows how far my motivation takes me :joy:
BenjaminUrquhart: I'm slowly being pushed up, probably because people are spam submitting and failing
thethiny: same
BenjaminUrquhart: what place are you in thethiny
thethiny: #377
thethiny: I've beaten you now haha
BenjaminUrquhart: I broke stuff ok
thethiny: πππ
thethiny: git saves the day
BenjaminUrquhart: I was ~200 before
thethiny: I know I was tracking you
thethiny: you were 167 when I was 500
Doju: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/466998957
Doju: i have no idea what my pacs are doing
thethiny: you too have the same messages as me lol
thethiny: Doju you're python right?
Doju: yes
thethiny: okay can I PM you?
Doju: sure
Doju: oh my god the sun is starting to rise
thethiny: dun dun dun
FrancoisFavier: guys, do you think that a 20 can be push in silver to gold or it's too late ?
Dr-D: Just depends on your coding and ideas I guess
Dr-D: maybe your level of tiredness, too ;)
Doju: oh...
Doju: now i know what my bug is
Doju: these are the values for each pellet on the map
Doju: [inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf
inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf inf nan inf
Dr-D: O.o
Dr-D: Not a good base to choose wisely =D
Doju: wdym? its a perfect situation
Dr-D: division by zero?
Doju: every possible decision leads to infinite value
Dr-D: Well. So random would be the same =D
Doju: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/16f7fe05-05a6-40d9-adc9-229c13f9b1c4
Doju: now i got numbers :-D
thethiny: there's a madlad at #48 with PHP
BenjaminUrquhart: yes
thethiny: cya guys in 6 hours
Doju: cyq
BenjaminUrquhart: so, I've somehow screwed up A* and now my bot is searching to a depth of 550 before timing out
Doju: o.o
Doju: hey umm anybody got tips on tweaking constants?
solaimanope: gold is going up and up :(
thethiny: @Doju which constants?
Doju: thethiny all of them
thethiny: I mean
Doju: dealing with probabilities mostly
thethiny: in my case, constants mean values for enemies/friends, for you what do you mean
Doju: i dont wanna go into specifics
Chkoupinator: I think the part where they explain that the pacs cannot see through walls should have had at least one pacman in a corner so that we know that we can't see diagonally ...
Doju: just in general constants that change how pacs make decisions
thethiny: okay
thethiny: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3e9fe26c-9891-4e54-baae-a482b96808b6
thethiny: here are my constants
Doju: err
Doju: okay
Doju: yeah i have nothing like that
thethiny: XD
Doju: but how do you like figure out which is the best combination?
thethiny: I don't
Doju: lol
thethiny: I just ran it with different values
thethiny: until it behaved as I want
thethiny: basically I just pick a lost match
thethiny: and monitor the movement
thethiny: change this values up or down based on what happened until I win
thethiny: then I repeat for all losses
thethiny: once I win them all then I save
Doju: okay
Doju: ty
thethiny: as to why I have "-20", it's cuz if I had -10, then eating a big pellet and dying with an enemy = 0, which means it's fine
thethiny: but it isn't, dying isn't fine. Since my max step size is 10, so it's -(big pellet value + max steps)
thethiny: which is 20
thethiny: so if i'm gonna die there's no way a path crossing an enemy will give me a good score
Doju: oh okay now i found which one was the important one
Doju: at least against my submitted bot
Doju: pellet_distance_power = 1
Doju: this one :P
thethiny: great :D
thethiny: guys what are the dimensions for the banners
thethiny: cover banners
gitKad: I don't understand how the new rule in the silver league can be leveraged to improve my bot...
thethiny: it won't improve, just be an obstacle
gitKad: How is it a new obstacle?
gitKad: I mean... I don't see why I would change anything about my code from bronze to silver. They perform just as well... nothing really changed with that new rule.
gitKad: Unless I missed something about it
cegprakash: oh jeez
cegprakash: what's the maximum distance a pac and pellet can be
cegprakash: I had 1(00-dist)^3 in my eval and now that's ruined because dist is negative
Zenoscave: Should you go for exploration or memory pellets first?
Zenoscave: If no pellets are visible
berries: how do you use speed
berries: is it in the same command just twice
Doju: SPEED 0
Doju: for pac id 0
BenjaminUrquhart: I got captcha'd
BenjaminUrquhart: this is not what a need
berries: yeah but like for the speed turn how do i use it
BenjaminUrquhart: you don't
Doju: oh right
cegprakash: 4 hours debuggihng 1 seed
BenjaminUrquhart: you specify a spot 2 units away
Doju: you need to give the move command 2 cells away
cegprakash: :(
berries: ahhhh okay thanks
berries: so the turn that i activate speed i cant move during it?
Doju: that's also true
berries: okay okay i get it now thank you
cegprakash: I'm in a sad rank
Zenoscave: cegprakash seed doesn't effect much predictably
cegprakash: but
cegprakash: it's an important decision making
cegprakash: it can affect many games
cegprakash: I'm not taking the big pellet in legend
cegprakash: this is a huge bug
cegprakash: which I'm unable to fix
cegprakash: :(
thethiny: what do u guys think of my banner
https://imgur.com/undefined
thethiny: https://imgur.com/a/2gmYccM
thethiny: ffs imgur
cegprakash: I find 4 best pellets
cegprakash: and random shuffle them
cegprakash: and give score for each matching
cegprakash: and try to maximize this score
cegprakash: it's like a sim inside sim
cegprakash: and it's not working
cegprakash: search inside search
Zenoscave: Ceg just do Hungararian Algorithm
Zenoscave: Finds optimal assignment
thethiny: what is coders strike back
cegprakash: u mean a maxflow?
cegprakash: Zenoscave
Doju: oh right
Doju: no wonder why this wasnt working
Zenoscave: no.
Zenoscave: Cost assignment munkres
Doju: im giving the cells extra value for being closer to other pacs
Doju: stupid me
Zenoscave: https://csclab.murraystate.edu/~bob.pilgrim/445/munkres.html
cegprakash: too many steps
cegprakash: can be very slow
Zenoscave: nope.
Zenoscave: Works in O(n^3) fastest known algo for cost assignment
blini.cat: while using python, do you prefere deque from collections or queue?
Zenoscave: heapqueue
Doju: i'm using collections.deque
cegprakash: n^3? yuck
thethiny: @blini.cat deque cuz of popleft
Zenoscave: ceg brute force is n!
Zenoscave: trust me just try it. or save it till after competition for consideration
ZarthaxX: Zenoscave i dont think hungarian makes sense here
Zenoscave: Why not ZarthaxX?
ZarthaxX: for assigning pellets objectives i mean
ZarthaxX: the costs are not independant of others decisions
ZarthaxX: paths cross etc
Zenoscave: Ah that makes sense.
Zenoscave: Well time to fix that...
ZarthaxX: hi btw
ZarthaxX: pewpew :O
Zenoscave: pewpewpew
Doju: whatever
Doju: im submitting this and never touching it again unless its timing ouyt
Icebox: pewpewpew
dbdr: kovi, staying up all night? :)
Zenoscave: Hi Icebox
Zenoscave: long time
Icebox: long time indeed
Zenoscave: Took a break?
Icebox: missed last contest
Icebox: so yeah, kinda
SparshMc07: where r u guys from?
abuhuraira071: You can see via profile.
Chkoupinator: are there always 4 big pellets?
Icebox: yes
Chkoupinator: thanc
solaimanope: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/467052043
solaimanope: epic ending
cegprakash: why isn't the clock blinking
cegprakash: solaimanope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9V78UbdzWI&feature=youtu.be&t=81
Icebox: not yet
cegprakash: Icebox cheer for me
Icebox: I think down from 4h
Icebox: I'd rather not :upside_down:
cegprakash: have u ever lived inside an Icebox Icebox
ZarthaxX: :face_palm:
Icebox: ofc
Icebox: my natural habitat
ZarthaxX: i live inside those
cegprakash: wow
cegprakash: cold hurts me
cegprakash: I loves heat
cegprakash: my rank is 69
cegprakash: me likes that
VicHofs: arguably better than rank 1
cegprakash: yes
cegprakash: 69 > 1
RustyCrown: is the outside of the tunnels considered wall tile?
cegprakash: sometimes yes sometimes not
BenjaminUrquhart: "vell yes but actually no"
BenjaminUrquhart: ok so
BenjaminUrquhart: apparently my bot sucks at late-game exploration
BenjaminUrquhart: it does really well in the beginning and drops the ball in endgame
ashikujjaman: what is the extra statement in gold league?
VicHofs: plus a ton of other stuff same here BenjaminUrquhart
VicHofs: lol
BenjaminUrquhart: none
cegprakash: I have lot of todos but I'm stuck on this bug
Kellthazar: ashikujjaman none
ashikujjaman: so it's the problem about efficiency?
eulerscheZahl: wow. bots improved a lot during the night
ashelkov: not sleep is a secret))
Icebox: jesus it's 5am
eulerscheZahl: 5:15
RustyCrown: whats a good way to handle collisions
eulerscheZahl: good morning
BenjaminUrquhart: eulerscheZahl I dropped 300 places
Icebox: morning toad :wave:
BenjaminUrquhart: they sure did implrove
BenjaminUrquhart: improve*
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl u can now submit ur bot which u are hiding
eulerscheZahl: i dropped by 100%
VicHofs: RustyCrown I calculate what move that if done would lead each stuck pac to the other and reverse it
eulerscheZahl: i was never hiding. my bot just sucks
cegprakash: just kidding
RustyCrown: ok cool, ill keep that in mind
RustyCrown: thanks
cegprakash: my bot is not going to closest super pellet
cegprakash: I deserve to be in wood
cegprakash: what am I doing here
VicHofs: also you can check whether a pac is stuck by a bool check of sorts pac.last_position == pac.position"
VicHofs: RustyCrown
kovi: morning
eulerscheZahl: hi
RustyCrown: got it.
cegprakash: this is fun: https://prnt.sc/sipo2z
thethiny: is it normal that in brutaltester when I increase the number of threads the matches duplicate?
thethiny: t 1 n 5 gives me 20-80
t 5 n 5 gives me 100-0
thethiny: no matter how much I repeat
thethiny: @ceg you told him 200$ lmao
ashelkov: cegprakash, i've got a similar proposal- to sell the code :)
RustyCrown: thats just sad honestly
eulerscheZahl: ceg :D
eulerscheZahl: i got almost the same but a different user
cegprakash: oh come on I spent 10 days and they offer just 200$
RustyCrown: why bother paying for a ranking, they wont feel fulfilled by it
cegprakash: lol
cegprakash: do universities really pay their students for winning this?
cegprakash: :D
WINWINWIN: :/ this allows competitors to get "Unofficial" prizes
thethiny: guys in brutaltester do we have to select the league?
eulerscheZahl: ramdeath has prizes for his students too
eulerscheZahl: medals, one even got an internship in a software company
thethiny: @cegprakash when I was in uni
thethiny: I got 800$ for winning sth like this
WINWINWIN: Didn't know that this was that serious
thethiny: It really is serious
Durkin: huh, cool, but also can't imagine my college even considering it xD
RustyCrown: its not that serious, but it does demonstrate knowledge and understanding, especially if you get high ranking
Cusumi: my colleagues cheating too that's why i asked you for helping me
BenjaminUrquhart: what
RustyCrown: you just need to convince them durkin
WINWINWIN: understandable cusumi
RustyCrown: then just report your colleague
Cusumi: i was on the top but somehow they find a code and they share it with each others
eulerscheZahl: i guess javatar2018 in on your school as well
eulerscheZahl: as he tried the same
Cusumi: yes
Cusumi: i was working all night and day
WINWINWIN: perhaps they collaborated and made their own code?
Cusumi: how do you know his username ?
eulerscheZahl: he contacted me with a similar question
WINWINWIN: What if people try to cheat the system or disturb the school/company leaderboards?
Copying code between players is forbidden during contests. We'll thoroughly monitor players' submissions and we reserve ourselves the right to ban any player in case of abuse.
eulerscheZahl: my advice: talk to your teachers. your best classmates who are about to win prizes have to hold a short presentation
Cusumi: see
eulerscheZahl: one will notice when they didn't write the bot on their own
WINWINWIN: this is in the contest rules, I don't think people would risk it
eulerscheZahl: and another option: ask codingame (namely [CG]Thibaud) to have a look at those codes
eulerscheZahl: he has removed some copy-cats in the past already
Cusumi: if i talk to my teacher all what they will do is a recoding session they will ask them about code
Cusumi: and that is easy it no gonna solve the problem
Zenoscave: Cusumi talk to [CG]Thibaud. He can get them disqualified
thethiny: apparently there's a command called "WAIT" that we can use?
thethiny: static final Pattern PLAYER_ACTION_PATTERN = Pattern.compile(
"^(WAIT|MOVE|SWITCH|SPEED|MSG)\\s+(?<id>\\d+).*",
eulerscheZahl: depends on their skill level. i'm pretty sure a beginner won't be able to read and understand my code. but Thibaud is a good option too
Zenoscave: That is a more reasonable approach than trying to cheat as well
EvModder: my bot in IDE is consistently losing to submitted code
EvModder: i am sad
eulerscheZahl: just do it soon (he should be in office in about 3-4h, still early in Europe)
WINWINWIN: thethiny not in the rules
Cusumi: nothing to do in this case even if i reported them everywhere
thethiny: @WINWINWIN it's in the code though
Cusumi: all my 10 days work goes for nothing
Zenoscave: Would you have won if they didn't cheat?
eulerscheZahl: hm, i could actually mention what's going on in the moderators room on discord. there it will be seen for sure. i can't promise any disqualifications but there's a good chance of investigation it least i think
Cusumi: i was on the top of course if they didn't cheat i won
thethiny: I think using the same code between ,ultiple users isn't against the rules, right?
eulerscheZahl: filtering the leaderboard for
"California State University"
i only find you
thethiny: is*
eulerscheZahl: how do i find your classmates?
WINWINWIN: don't know why you would use "WAIT" tithing, may as well not print a command :/
Cusumi: yes i think not problem to use the same code
thethiny: @WINWINWIN not printing anything will cause you to timeout
WINWINWIN: That is only if you don't print for all pacs
eulerscheZahl: thibaud will see when several users submitted the same code.
how do we find your classmates who should be checked for possible cheating?
Cusumi: thank you guys for listening to me
Cusumi: eulerscheZahl dm me in private
Exa65536: (from the "last battles" page, I mean)
