eulerscheZahl: will you MadKnight?
eulerscheZahl: always telling others to play but skipping them yourself
MadKnight: yea maybe ye for this one
eulerscheZahl: we don't even remember if you are a strong player
struct: He needs physics contest
MadKnight: cmon struct
struct: yes?
MadKnight: cmon
MadKnight: are u now gonna reference everything to csb ?
struct: Its the game you seem to enjoy the most
MadKnight: no it was the first game where i tried to use simu
MadKnight: and i wanted more people to train my GA against
MadKnight: no need to make a thing out of that
KiwiTae: I might , just got injured so my season is off, more time for coding
KiwiTae: MadKnight i would try using Kotlin >,< might not get out of woodi , still struggling with it
MadKnight: improve your kotlin skills faster
LelouchVC2: Improve your c++ skills
thibpat: I'm streaming my progress on Twixt-PP, yesterday we optimized the code and were able to increase the depth of the negamax... without seeing an improvement in our strategy. So today it's time to focus on a better evaluation function https://twitch.tv/thibpat
KiwiTae: MadKnight im trying to fix my xboxone code first >,<
KiwiTae: m getting trolled by sharedptr
MadKnight: xboxone code ?
MadKnight: what is that code KiwiTae ?
MadKnight: and why are u getting trolled by sharedptr
KiwiTae: MadKnight xboxlive sdk for UE4 hehe
KiwiTae: cause I am tracking an issue theres like stuff happening on xboxlive that i dont get how and i think its because i dont reset some ptrs
MadKnight: nice nice KiwiTae
MadKnight: did u fix it KiwiTae ?
sobuksruk: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/12051487bddf5f2ea5a24806df7068b22fc9dad
Nerchio: radar range in crystal rush is like torpedo in ooc?
Illedan: ye
Illedan: but you don't need bfs since there are no islands..
MSmits: ahh so bfs is island-specific
MSmits: gonna use that for my AI class :P
Illedan: :P
Illedan: OoC for midterms?
Astrobytes: Hi
WINWINWIN: https://github.com/sebastientromp/codingame-fantasticbits
WINWINWIN: Can the owner of this repository please remove this? there are too many java bots that function similarly
Astrobytes: Copy-pasters gonna copy-paste :/
WINWINWIN: :( I`m stuck in silver and was going through top guys replays
WINWINWIN: 20 draws!
Shakib.M83: Hello
WINWINWIN: Hi
Shakib.M83: I'm Shakib
wlesavo: WINWINWIN by posting the link you will probably make it worse
Shakib.M83: what's your name?
WINWINWIN: Sorry :(
WINWINWIN: in gold yet wlesavo?
WINWINWIN: worst thing about that link is that he has some how gotten a hold of magus, pb4 and ranarama1s codes!
wlesavo: no, pushed a boss to far, and one more guy to gold :slight_smile: some improvemnts though, maybe ill finally make it
WINWINWIN: :)
WINWINWIN: I gave up on heuristics, not getting anywhere
wlesavo: id gave up on my bot rather than on heuristics :slight_smile:
Nerchio: crystal rush description is very confusing
Nerchio: entityCount says about entities currently visible to you and then they say that 2: one of your buried radars
Nerchio: so i can see enemy radars or not/
blasterpoard: you can't
blasterpoard: only your radars
Nerchio: so i can only see a hole not whats inside then
blasterpoard: yes
Nerchio: ok ty
blasterpoard: a big part of the bot is trying to figure out what the opponent actually did
RoboStac: the other big part is trying to make it look like you did something when you didn't
Nerchio: so far i am in silver i just made my robots mine efficiently
Nerchio: and i started blowing up on mines against silver opponents
blasterpoard: have you encountered the mine walls yet?
blasterpoard: or is that gold
Nerchio: not yet
Nerchio: people trying to do chain explosions? :D
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/456150683 this stuff
blasterpoard: usually at x=1
Nerchio: so i can't see opponent bots either if they are not in radar range?
blasterpoard: you can see them, but not their inventory
Nerchio: kk
Nerchio: the description could be more clear :p
blasterpoard: to get to legend, you only need to place some mines at the start of the game, be extremely paranoid about opponent's mines, and then "protect" ore by pretending you put a mine on it
Nerchio: so initially there is no 'hole' on ore before you mine it or put something on it
blasterpoard: yes
Nerchio: ah so it makes sense to mine couple of ores before actually returning anything to just to make holes
Nerchio: but people in silver probably still ignore that :D
blasterpoard: no, just wait 1 turn at spawn, and then go dig a cell that has 2+ore
blasterpoard: opponent can't dig it, because there could be a mine
Nerchio: got it
blasterpoard: so you collect it later
Nerchio: but wait to undig a mine you need to kill your bot?
blasterpoard: no, there is actually no mine on that square
blasterpoard: you just make the opponent think there is one
Nerchio: ah ok :p
Illedan: If you want to code it easier, just always get a radar when you can. And place it on a 2+ ore if you dont need more vision. Then fetch radar ores at the end
MSmits: tricksy
blasterpoard: except there are many bots that think you pick up radar whenever you can, and then they assume the squares they dug are safe to dig
Illedan: w00t
Illedan: :rocket:
Illedan: top 10 now MSmits
Nerchio: where?
Illedan: FB gold
MSmits: gj Illedan
Illedan: Still 2 points below the boss at 60 % :(
MSmits: ah well, you'll get there
Illedan: Yeah, now I just need to find that 1 eval param to tweak :P
Illedan: 7-2 vs the boss is promising though
wlesavo: i was above the silver boss but got a heavy lose streak, damn
wlesavo: 0.04 points below :expressionless:
wlesavo: WINWINWIN can you submit a couple of times to get a game against me? :smiley:
MSmits: yay finally finished last assignment for my class: https://imgur.com/a/o0GdpmQ
MSmits: crossword puzzle generator works
wlesavo: now you need to write a solver
MSmits: nah, now I need to check out the stuff they omitted from the class due to time restrictions. Because it is about learning and neural networks
wlesavo: i remember some things like that in '00s you type some known letters and a programm filters its dictionary based on the input
MSmits: oh
MSmits: not sure what kind of assignments this has
wlesavo: ok, finaly, easy FB gold
WINWINWIN: How`d u do it wlesavo? is a heuristic enough?
MadKnight: hey MSmits i kind of got afkw
MadKnight: after i asked
MadKnight: what did u say again MSmits ?
sobuksruk: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1205311565e72fad0f0249b2827340e23a5ca19
dbdr: wlesavo you promoted?
MadKnight: oh no Automaton2000 it's a trap!
Automaton2000: u need a ga for csb
MadKnight: that's right Automaton2000 but i'm talking about the link Automaton2000 - don't click it Automaton2000 u're gonna end yourself in a clash
Automaton2000: if i worked on it for a couple of months ago
MadKnight: end up getting in a clash*
MadKnight: when is the contest starting Automaton2000 ?
Automaton2000: how would i do that
MadKnight: what's the exact date Automaton2000 ?
Automaton2000: its time to do it in 1 line
eulerscheZahl: the topcoder website is weird, greeting me with some new rubbish every day when it fails to load
MadKnight: today's the last day of april Automaton2000
Automaton2000: i'm looking at my code and it looks like a good way to learn
eulerscheZahl: https://imgur.com/a/UNJFCU0
Astrobytes: lol wtf
eulerscheZahl: sometimes it just gets stuck in an infinite login loop
Illedan: What is that eulerscheZahl?
eulerscheZahl: showing me the login page, logging me in, loading the page again until infinity
FireFeathers: hi
Astrobytes: Strange
eulerscheZahl: topcoder had an optim contest recently Illedan
Illedan: :O
Illedan: How long lasting?
Illedan: done?
FireFeathers: thats what she said
eulerscheZahl: https://twitter.com/_simanman/status/1255710921365716993
eulerscheZahl: done, 7 days
eulerscheZahl: you rotate a subsquare
MadKnight: they've been hacked Automaton2000 don't believe eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: and try to arrange the numbers that way
Automaton2000: like if you have a lot of my time
wlesavo: WINWINWIN yes, apparently, just choosed a version that is good against boss, not sure it was best one overall, but pushed boss quite low
Illedan: :(
Illedan: looks fun
Illedan: did you join?
eulerscheZahl: was fun even if i failed in the end
eulerscheZahl: 16th before rerun with more testsets
WINWINWIN: Yeah boss is at its lowest
wlesavo: dbdr yes, but have to wait for 2 hours
eulerscheZahl: psyho is the clear winner
eulerscheZahl: the one you might know from halite
Illedan: k
dbdr: well done! take a break ;)
Illedan: Let me know next time there is something fun happening in the world :D
eulerscheZahl: ok, i will
eulerscheZahl: and if i'm not sure if it is?
dbdr: Illedan there's something fun happening in the world right now
eulerscheZahl: like http://azspcs.com/Contest/SumsOfPowers
i won't join there
Illedan: Optim or bot only :P
Illedan: With prizes and a timer
dbdr: so specific
Illedan: :)
eulerscheZahl: the first prize was $0 for the squares rotation
Illedan: I never win anyway
Illedan: sooo, just a timer is enough
Illedan: xD
dbdr: https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20200508T18&p0=50&font=cursive
eulerscheZahl: what's that counting to?
dbdr: guess
eulerscheZahl: no idea. 24h after CG contest start?
dbdr: but could be anything, Illedan just wanted a timer to have fun
wlesavo: lol
eulerscheZahl: so, what is it?
dbdr: doesn't the contest start on a friday as usual?
eulerscheZahl: no
dbdr: :O
eulerscheZahl: fail
dbdr: heresy!
eulerscheZahl: 11 days this time
eulerscheZahl: they even did it wrong in the trailer
dbdr: :D
wlesavo: thats a marketing, 11 days sounds weird :slight_smile:
eulerscheZahl: coding contest sounds weird
wlesavo: hm, thats also true
dbdr: property testing is awesome!
dbdr: my world just changed :)
wlesavo: what do you use it for?
dbdr: automatically finding the minimal input that makes a test fail
dbdr: or if it does not find, having some reasonable confidence that your code passes the test because it has been tested on thousands of random inputs
wlesavo: i mean what problem?
dbdr: right now?
wlesavo: yes
dbdr: testing my model of twixt-pp :)
wlesavo: hm, sounds interesting
eulerscheZahl: i do that random testing in codejam-like problems sometimes
wlesavo: i wanted to do something simmilar
eulerscheZahl: when my code crashes on submit of if i have a bruteforce solver (too slow) and a faster one with wrong answer
dbdr: does is also finds the minimal example?
eulerscheZahl: codejam 1C this weekend btw
eulerscheZahl: not sure if minimal but i try to generate small testcases of course
eulerscheZahl: try an input with 5 numbers to hope for crashes before increasing to 100
dbdr: the idea here is it tries to find any input that fails, then it starts to simplify that input while keeping the failure
wlesavo: wow
dbdr: there is a nice basic example here: https://altsysrq.github.io/proptest-book/proptest/getting-started.html
eulerscheZahl: i see. interesting approach
dbdr: and it can work with any type
eulerscheZahl: makes it easier to trace the source of the failing
eulerscheZahl: but you need a way to detect the failure ofc
dbdr: you can say pairs of integers in a certain range, etc
dbdr: but here I had to define a Tree structure
dbdr: and the system automatically understands it, and will see if a subtree also makes the test fail
dbdr: it fells like magic :)
dbdr: indeed. you still need to write the test
dbdr: it helps it you have debug assertions in your code, then you can already get feedback if they ever fail
dbdr: now I was not testing that I get a specific answer, just that a certain property is true at the end, which should always be true
wlesavo: how you generaly handling input() in unit test? wraping input in function and paching that function or there is more simple way?
dbdr: I already knew it can be false, but the case I had had 250 recursive calls into my function, so would be fun to debug... :D
Nullergoj: that is the way to do it
Nullergoj: Creating an adapter class
dbdr: after making a model of my function calls, the system found a case for me with only 3 calls :)
eulerscheZahl: in some languages the recursion limit would have killed you at that point already
dbdr: wlesavo I would not use input() inside a test. I would pass the input to the test as a parameter
dbdr: it was not 250 deep
dbdr: it was 250 calls in total, in in out in in out out in ... etc
eulerscheZahl: oh
dbdr: a single parent call
dbdr: the function being minimax, and modifying my state recursively
wlesavo: hm, nice
IjustKilledutoo: hello
IAmNoob: hi
Shakib.M83: Hi
IAmNoob: is anyone here at coders strike Back?
eulerscheZahl: MadKnight your job
MadKnight: why is it my job to help newcomers
MadKnight: eulerscheZahl u're better at that
MadKnight: help him
IAmNoob: :)
IAmNoob: dont worry
MadKnight: IAmNoob eulerscheZahl can help u but he's too shy
MadKnight: ask him quietly
eulerscheZahl: nah, i'm depressed as being the cause of headache https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/community-puzzle-cgfunge-prime/116994/17
IAmNoob: no thx
MadKnight: the toad gets scared of loud sounds
darkhorse64: MadKnight: it's your job to say the magic formula
MadKnight: eulerscheZahl while u're depressed u can still help noobs
reCurse: MK not jumping at the opportunity of saying -3*vel and GA?
reCurse: Who's depressed now? :P
reCurse: You doing ok?
MadKnight: u haven't been there when i told that but
MadKnight: eulerscheZahl remembers
MadKnight: don't make a big deal out of that, CSB was just my first game where i used simus to make a bot and i practiced this approach a lot and i wanted more players to come to rekt them with my new approach, but now my bot is even better and rekting some noobs is boring
MadKnight: also MSmits and me want to make a really nice techio tutorial on NNs
MadKnight: so i'm waiting for MSmits to fiinsh with his teaching stuff to have time for our tutorial
Astrobytes: Who will carry the CSB torch now?
MadKnight: i know that a fancy MM bot will rek any few-if'ed bot, what's the big deal, Automaton2000 ?
Automaton2000: thats what i am doing the same thing
MSmits: wait... I agreed on this already MadKnight?
MSmits: I thought I only said I was going to look into machine learning over the summer :P
MSmits: not that it's not interesting. I like the idea of a good tech.io tutorial
IjustKilledutoo: hello plz give me a follow to do pair
MSmits: huh?
eulerscheZahl: who's utoo and why i he dead?
IAmNoob: Yessss!!!!
IAmNoob: i got top 1
eulerscheZahl: yes, you even that the 1 at the first and last digit of your rank
IAmNoob: ?
AntiSquid: what is the last digit of your rank IAmNoob ?
IAmNoob: 7
Astrobytes: Rank not level
IAmNoob: 1
IAmNoob: sry
AntiSquid: debug successful :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
IAmNoob: do anyone know topological sort?
IAmNoob: ?
IAmNoob: if yes can they clear a thing
dbdr: Astrobytes, you're pulling the top3 down in Tulips by losing against us :D
Astrobytes: I know dbdr, sorry :P
dbdr: no worries :)
dbdr: logically, you're pulling the top 2 down more
Astrobytes: My 'improvements' were nothing of the kinda apparently
Astrobytes: *kind
dbdr: kinda improvement
LoGos: IAmNoob what is this thing?
Astrobytes: kinda failing more like
Astrobytes: oh, that's why. Woops
**Astrobytes is an idiot
IAmNoob: topologycal sort?
LoGos: I know topological sort. What's the thing to clear?
IAmNoob: isent there a more efficient way to do it
LoGos: the most efficient way is O(n) if we speak about time complexity.
IAmNoob: of topological sort?
LoGos: yeah. Are you using your own algorithm or did you google it?
eulerscheZahl: O(nodes+edges) actually
LoGos: yeah, I just wanted to correct myself
LoGos: what would even n refer to
eulerscheZahl: a natural number
LoGos: nvm
IAmNoob: thx
IAmNoob: how can you defeat the boss
IAmNoob: i defeated
IAmNoob: him
IAmNoob: is it not a glitch?
IAmNoob: is there not a glitch
IAmNoob: i am still the 10 000'th
IAmNoob: please someone
Nerchio: did you use submit.
IAmNoob: yes
IAmNoob: sure
IAmNoob: in the editor
IAmNoob: i killed boss
IAmNoob: (defeated)]
IAmNoob: i hope at the end of precessing i will be at least in top 10
IAmNoob: processing*
IAmNoob: if you kill the boss you are upper in the top?
AntiSquid: click leaderboard
IAmNoob: ok
AntiSquid: the search for your name
IAmNoob: ok
IAmNoob: 12 793'th
AntiSquid: if your rank is < 1 then improve your bot
IAmNoob: it is way bigger
IAmNoob: but in the editor i killed the boss
Uljahn: it doesn't matter much
AntiSquid: dude are you serious?
IAmNoob: I?
IAmNoob: yes
AntiSquid: get rank 1 . be above the boss
IAmNoob: cant get rank 1
IAmNoob: i would not be #1
AntiSquid: then tough life
IAmNoob: because is someone that has more
Uljahn: look through your last battles and learn from your losses
IAmNoob: I havent really lost
eulerscheZahl: you must have lost if you aren't 1st
IAmNoob: i won 1 with the person X and than lost with the person X
AntiSquid: ba ce plm ii cu tine? stii cei aia clasament?
IAmNoob: Da:)
AntiSquid: si atunci ?
IAmNoob: Is locu' 100000
IAmNoob: habar n-am
AntiSquid: daca nu esti primu nu te califici
IAmNoob: stiu:(
IAmNoob: dar zice ca daca bati bossul
IAmNoob: l-am batut
AntiSquid: si atunci ce dracu tot intrebi
eulerscheZahl: stop making up new words AntiSquid
IAmNoob: dar nu si pe #1
dbdr: TIL AntiSquid speaks romanian :)
IAmNoob: :)
AntiSquid: da o data din noroc
eulerscheZahl: he is from there afaik
IAmNoob: mereu
AntiSquid: submit bot again.
dbdr: TIL AntiSquid is romanian
eulerscheZahl: his name is Sergiu
IAmNoob: daca dau in editor si si in meci dar pentru ca am pierdut multe nu ma pune peste bot
AntiSquid: if you can't beat all bots before that then you can't reach boss
AntiSquid: was never a secret dbdr
eulerscheZahl: but he speaks German too
IAmNoob: I too
IAmNoob: deutsch sprechen
AntiSquid: besides you were following me on github
dbdr: I'm just ignorant then :)
dbdr: i am?
AntiSquid: the old referee repo at least
IAmNoob: I dont know guys but thx for the help
eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/SpiritusSancti5/Breach
"solution to poorly explained puzzle" :D
eulerscheZahl: and calling it bs.py
AntiSquid: ya got angry, sry
AntiSquid: should i remove it?
IAmNoob: me?
IAmNoob: sry
IAmNoob: nothing
eulerscheZahl: nah, i don't care
eulerscheZahl: i'm more amused about it
AntiSquid: not you IAmNoob, talking about a repo
IAmNoob: yes
eulerscheZahl: also the else: "shitty puzzle"
IAmNoob: undestood
IAmNoob: understood
dbdr: well, it's a spoiler
AntiSquid: ok whatever removed
eulerscheZahl: just tried the new online editor
when I close the autocomplete suggestions with escape, i can't type anymore. is that me (addon maybe) or a common issue=
eulerscheZahl: ?
Astrobytes: Doesn't happen for me
WINWINWIN: Hi, I`m trying to use visual studio for C#, which template do I use so that I can run my code?
reCurse: Console application
eulerscheZahl: Console Application
eulerscheZahl: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
eulerscheZahl: i blame the chat lag
Astrobytes: He who lags least, laughs last.
WINWINWIN: thanks
reCurse: Shouldn't he laugh first
reCurse: That makes no sense
Astrobytes: no. He gets the last laugh
reCurse: Implying someone would laugh before him
Astrobytes: As he was first.
Astrobytes: euler was annoyed by the fact he came second in the er 'lag race', therefore you have the last laugh.
reCurse: whoosh
eulerscheZahl: stop messing with our brains
Beautiful_Potato: guys is there any way that I can solve the problem after the end of clash?
Astrobytes: In gaming terms, if your opponent lags out and you win - who has the last laugh?
MSmits: me
MSmits: I'm lagging at all of you
eulerscheZahl: only if you remember the statement so you can search for it Beautiful_Potato
MSmits: I just did q-learning playing Nim,
MSmits: it's cool
MSmits: just a small assignment that was part of my class but they left it out due to time restrictions
Beautiful_Potato: it was a reverse problem
eulerscheZahl: do you remember inputs or outputs?
Beautiful_Potato: hm
Beautiful_Potato: only the first one
eulerscheZahl: are you willing to share it?
Beautiful_Potato: my code?
Astrobytes: The input that you remember
Beautiful_Potato: oh
Beautiful_Potato: 2
C 15.999
O 12.011
CO2
Beautiful_Potato: output:
44.009
trycoder: hi
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/112915c7494ad48066d6d1e8f731b80e991b
reCurse: What a beast
reCurse: or... frog
Beautiful_Potato: ayy. thanks a lot
eulerscheZahl: nah, just searched for CO2 here
http://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/search/CO2
eulerscheZahl: after the decimal number resulted in a crash for whatever reason :D
reCurse: I mean that still includes the part where you did that
stacked: is max thrust 100
stacked: can u go negative thrust
reCurse: It's 100 until legend
reCurse: And no you can't
stacked: thanks
eulerscheZahl: and BOOST is 650 i think
stacked: i feel like i need to slow down when hitting a hard angle
stacked: ok
stacked: thanks guys
reCurse: Now I can't help but think it might be a better game with negative thrust :/
stacked: lol
stacked: you could do cool tricks
stacked: to advance do you need to beat all other AI's in the league?
reCurse: You need to bet the top 10 convincingly
reCurse: *beat
stacked: what does that mean?
reCurse: There's no hard rule
reCurse: You need to finish your submit with a score higher than the boss
reCurse: But it's not just beating the boss but also the top AIs of that league
stacked: ey i made it to bronze
stacked: this is fun
stacked: i feel like it will get a lot harder
reCurse: It does
stacked: :((
reCurse: People have spent months if not years on that game
stacked: does this game go out of cycle?
stacked: or is it always here
reCurse: No it's permanent
stacked: ok
fvla: Which game would you recommend starting with?
LborV: mars lender
reCurse: Ask 100 different people you'll get 100 answers
stacked: why are some games so short
stacked: like 3 ticks
stacked: and its over
AntiSquid: what type of game do you like fvla ?
reCurse: Probably because y our bot crashes
reCurse: Or takes too long
stacked: oh im a dumbass
stacked: lol
AntiSquid: you can click on each one at a time and see the replay, see if it looks appealing
fvla: i'm a big RTS player, been trying out Code Royale as a result
AntiSquid: code royale
stacked: ooh
stacked: whats that
AntiSquid: oh ok nvm didn't read full sentence
AntiSquid: plantinum rift, crystal rush fvla ?
fvla: i'll check out platinum rift too
AntiSquid: (sort of)
fvla: coders strike back was also interesting
fvla: but i wanted to ask about how steering works first
stacked: you dont steer
IfIHadATail: so I don't know if people remember but there was an email sent out during the Ocean of Code challenge about people streaming it. does anyone remember the name of the person that was doing it in Java?
AntiSquid: we still wait for a starcraft 2 bot contest fvla
fvla: lmao, that would be the best
fvla: but also kind of broken
AntiSquid: ikr
fvla: you can steer in coders strike back by changing the destination point...
stacked: oh shit
stacked: holy
fvla: ...but i don't have access to the game source
stacked: thats genius
Astrobytes: IfIHadATail Vadim Savin (from the discord streaming channel)
fvla: so i don't know whether 90 degrees 5 pixels or 90 degrees 500 pixels makes a difference
fvla: does it?
stacked: i dont think so
IfIHadATail: awesome! thanks you so much and I totally forgot that channel existed lol Thanks!!
stacked: x and y exist for direction solely i thjink
Astrobytes: No worries
reCurse: It makes a difference in the sense that you don't get as much precision over the angle if it's close
fvla: ah, i see
fvla: that's the only difference
reCurse: Not that it matters that much
fvla: that makes sense
fvla: so 1 pixel away would suck
stacked: smart
fvla: i tried a clash of code
reCurse: It wouldn't suck if you could give a fraction of unit
reCurse: Then it would be as precise as you'd want
fvla: yeah, that would be nice
reCurse: But it's integer so the closer the less precision
fvla: it was a shortest code contest, and nobody but me submitted a working answer
fvla: are most clashes like this?
stacked: no
stacked: unless ur with bots
fvla: they were 5 other non-bots
stacked: or unles the problem is hard
AntiSquid: those are clashes, contests are longer thankfully
fvla: bronze league in coders strike back is so restricting
stacked: y
fvla: it annoys me that i have to infer certain information (e.g. waypoint locations) that will be available via input in higher leagues
stacked: what is a waypoing
stacked: t
reCurse: Yeah it's a known issue, that's why it didn't happen again with newer games
reCurse: But can't change without breaking thousands of bots
fvla: oof
fvla: oh well
stacked: whatst a waypoint?
Astrobytes: Checkpoint
fvla: checkpoint, rather
stacked: oh like a list of all checkpoints?
fvla: okay, time to break out of bronze league
stacked: fvla wanna play
stacked: clash
fvla: sure
fvla: i knew it, speed is my weakest point
romrd468: lol in csb my bot now go's after 2 checkpoints at the same time and somehow makes it through them
romrd468: why does my pods apparently have 2 nextId's
romrd468: so 1 can equal 1 and 2 at the same time in my code...
romrd468: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/456236949 next id is listed in output and somehow its flickering
romrd468: Its fairly entertaining but I do not like it
Uljahn: then fix your code, it's definitely a bug in it
romrd468: But I am having an issue on inputs so I guess I will need to start over
Uljahn: silver bots don't work with gold inputs
Uljahn: the only way is to use "restore default code" button
romrd468: I am in gold
reCurse: Yeah you have to redo inputs in gold
AntiSquid: best multi for beginners, redo bot in gold
romrd468: What is the normal range for vx and vy?
fvla: go into debug mode to find out :)
romrd468: am trying to make my own vx and vy and I need to know the bounds because of special cases are a pain
reCurse: Roughly sqrt(vx*vx+vy*vy) <= 1885
romrd468: thanks
romrd468: so the normal way of using vx or vy is what equation?
reCurse: ?
Norange: r u using c++?
romrd468: python
Norange: oh
romrd468: and vx*3 is what I heard and it just seems wrong
Astrobytes: Think about what that does
romrd468: I dont know what operators to place before it
romrd468: I can understand vx*3
Nerchio: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/456243168
Nerchio: insane guy :)
Astrobytes: Well think about what you have to output, and relate that to your velocity
eulerscheZahl: no more GitC?
eulerscheZahl: there are other bots that build a whole line of mines
eulerscheZahl: to kill everyone in a chain explosion
Nerchio: i know but this one was funny
Nerchio: 1 bot left :p
Nerchio: hehe yeah right now i just try to get legend in whatever i play
Nerchio: not really aiming for high places
Nerchio: i will focus on high places in 'live' competitions i think
eulerscheZahl: you got a great timing to start playing CG then
Nerchio: CG?
BenjaminUrquhart: my bot is an example of the mine trap
BenjaminUrquhart: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/456243892
eulerscheZahl: CG = codingame
BenjaminUrquhart: it worked really well for all of a day during the contest
Nerchio: ah ye :)
Nerchio: nice mine trap Benjamin
eulerscheZahl: but then bots started avoiding your traps
Nerchio: i am in silver atm so can't deal with it yet
Nerchio: i turned off my mines actually
Nerchio: because i was using them on ore
Nerchio: but that's kind of a waste
BenjaminUrquhart: the only reason I use mines is so I can avoid having to redo collection :P
BenjaminUrquhart: take down the enemy with me
eulerscheZahl: next level is to act like placing a mine on ore
eulerscheZahl: while you aren't actually
BenjaminUrquhart: I do that but badly
eulerscheZahl: but the opponent will think you did. so you can pick it up in the late game
Nerchio: hmm i actually have no idea how to predict mine/radar/just a hole
Nerchio: yet*
eulerscheZahl: you can track if the opponent waited a turn on the baseline
eulerscheZahl: that's a potential mine but you can't be sure
Nerchio: ah ye that's nice
Nerchio: unfortunately i think the description for the contest is not the best
Nerchio: so i struggled with that a little :p
eulerscheZahl: what do you miss?
eulerscheZahl: i think i barely read it, as most was known before the contest already
eulerscheZahl: thanks to BenjaminUrquhart leaking it
Nerchio: i think right now its already quite clear
Nerchio: but it says
BenjaminUrquhart: eulerscheZahl don't make me find the spring challenge ones
Nerchio: entityCount for the amount of robots, radars and traps currently visible to you.
eulerscheZahl: CG learned from their mistakes
Nerchio: and then you can't really see opponent traps or radars
eulerscheZahl: replays are private by default now
BenjaminUrquhart: nice
AntiSquid: well we all know it's pacman anyway
BenjaminUrquhart: hush
AntiSquid: don't hush me, there's a giant cover image of pacman :/
eulerscheZahl: another way to track: each item has an ID
eulerscheZahl: so you can observe your own radar IDs
BenjaminUrquhart: oh yeah that thing
Nerchio: omg
Nerchio: that sounds like cheating :D
eulerscheZahl: and if you get 2 consecutive numbers, no opponent mine :P
BenjaminUrquhart: but effort
Nerchio: they should random the IDs then
eulerscheZahl: i mentioned that on the chat during the contest, later #2 said it's useless
Nerchio: to avoid coding the numbers
eulerscheZahl: then changed his mind, saying it helped a lot
AntiSquid: that's not fixed yet?
eulerscheZahl: it's part of the game, isn't it?
Nerchio: it's a game outside of a game i'd say
BenjaminUrquhart: metagaming
AntiSquid: it's basically a bug
eulerscheZahl: at least only few players realized it and used it to their advantage
AntiSquid: it was in chat all week, not everyone bothered
Nerchio: doesn't seem that hard to core
Nerchio: code*
eulerscheZahl: and if you want to dig a potential ore cell, do so while an opponent is next to it
Nerchio: hmm silver is harder than I imagined
eulerscheZahl: either you trade 1:1 or you have ore
Nerchio: ye i thought about this already
Nerchio: not implemented yet :p
Nerchio: silver so far is hard because if my first radar is worse than opponents i can get behind and lose from then on
eulerscheZahl: different first radar is what got me to legend in the contest
BenjaminUrquhart: I got lucky with silver cause almost nobody could deal with the mine traps at that time, so I got high enough to promote :upside_down:
PortalBot: but wait just because replays are random does that really mean you can't request the data of the replay?
BenjaminUrquhart: huh?
PortalBot: i mean private
eulerscheZahl: and bombing in legend is much less than in gold (and i'm bad at avoiding), so it even was mid-legend
BenjaminUrquhart: pretty sure it either 404s or 403s
eulerscheZahl: yes, 403
BenjaminUrquhart:
Oups
An error occurred (#UNAUTHORIZED): "You are not authorised to view replay 456243893".
BenjaminUrquhart: but it still gives me the 404 page
ZarthaxX: stop breaking everything apple
BenjaminUrquhart: [object Object]
AntiSquid: apple died when steve jobs died
AntiSquid: change my mind
eulerscheZahl: oh, it's even a 200 OK actually
reCurse: Apple is just a company with good marketing
reCurse: Change my mind
eulerscheZahl: >>> r
<Response [200]>
>>> r.json()
{'error': {'code': 'UNAUTHORIZED', 'message': 'You are not authorised to view replay 456243893'}}
BenjaminUrquhart: ah yes 200
eulerscheZahl: apple = overpriced hardware and hipster software
reCurse: Made possible by....
eulerscheZahl: but still selling a lot, so they have great marketing for sure
eulerscheZahl: same goes for supreme
Astrobytes: People were too busy ragging on MS to notice Apple slithering in
Astrobytes: And Apple products are proof of style over substance.
AntiSquid: one of the first videos about apple i've seen was an old video about jobs talking about beautiful font ...
AntiSquid: the devil being in the details
romrd468: will it always be Id == 1 at the start of a CSB match?
reCurse: Yes
struct: which id?
struct: chcekpoint?
struct: pod?
reCurse: There's only one id in csb
struct: ah true
IfIHadATail: using codingame sync how do I get it to auto upload without having to press "Force Upload" everytime?
reCurse: Did you install both app and extension?
IfIHadATail: yeah it all works but just wont auto sync
reCurse: OS? Chrome ver?
reCurse: Works fine for me
struct: Which options do you have turned on?
IfIHadATail: win 10, Google Chrome is up to date
Version 81.0.4044
reCurse: Same here...
IfIHadATail: https://i.gyazo.com/f260ef607c5c86b653a8ce80adb74412.png
reCurse: Try rebooting :upside_down:
IfIHadATail: I reloaded chrome and Intellij multiple times already are you saying to just reboot the whole comp?
reCurse: Maybe. I am out of suggestions sorry.
reCurse: I'm guessing it doesn't receive file system notifications for some reason
struct: y
Uljahn: reboot the universe, Automaton2000
Nerchio: i ctrl+c ctrl+v with intellij much faster :s
Nerchio: but I didnt try syncing
Automaton2000: the problem is not that useful
Astrobytes: Autolag2000
icecream17: in JS I just named my function class "Object" and it worked....
Lekato: :grin:
IfIHadATail: so, yeah, Restarting my computer fix everything :embarrassed: lol thank you guys for your time : )
ThaddeusQ3: vb.net question. How do I create a new dictionary in the iDE?
I've tried every combination of declarations I can find and each time it tells me that "Dictionary" is not declared.
ThaddeusQ3: Same problem as with HashTable
ThaddeusQ3: *same problem with HashTable
ThaddeusQ3: Doing the MIME Type puzzle
ThaddeusQ3: Example: Dim dictExtTypes As Dictionary(Of string, string)()
AntiSquid: well either you do it wrong and should google it or it's a bug and should report it, maybe on forums or maybe on discord chat
ThaddeusQ3: Didn't read my post huh? Got about 2 words into it or what?
Astrobytes: ThaddeusQ3
1. I suggest you chill out and fix your attitude a little
2. You forgot to do something
ThaddeusQ3: I presumed that I forgot to do something. Telling me "go to google" when it clearly says in my inquiry that I've been searching is a pretty harsh middle finger.
Astrobytes: Welp. I googled and I know what you haven't done.
ThaddeusQ3: I'm reaching out for *help*
Astrobytes: Where would you find the definition of Dictionary?
ThaddeusQ3: Been to here
ThaddeusQ3: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11135488/how-to-use-dictionary-in-vb-net
ThaddeusQ3: https://www.dotnetperls.com/dictionary-vbnet
ThaddeusQ3: http://vb.net-informations.com/collections/dictionary.htm
Astrobytes: Think in simpler terms
Astrobytes: Look at the top of your code. See anything?
ThaddeusQ3: So I need to include a library or something similiar
Astrobytes: Do you normally develop in VB.Net?
ThaddeusQ3: no. learning. I normally program PLC's in ladder logic and am trying to expand my skillset.
Astrobytes: Right, in the .NET world you have to import what you need
Astrobytes: So you'll import whatever you need from whichever namespace it's located in
ThaddeusQ3: ok. That's the kind of help I was looking for. Thank you.
Terrain2: Hello
Astrobytes: So go check out the namespaces and whatnot, get familiar
ThaddeusQ3: I know a little about them some from years ago in school. Did some C++ stuff.
Astrobytes: In the .NET case it's a bit more Java-like.
ThaddeusQ3: hmm...that doesn't help me much
ThaddeusQ3: don't know much about java
Astrobytes: Just making the distinction between this and the C++ you remember
ThaddeusQ3: ah! there we go.
Thanks and I apologize for my crassness before. It actually felt like I was being told off.
Astrobytes: Look up VB.NET namespaces and importing them, you'll find what you need quickly
Astrobytes: lol, don't worry
Astrobytes: Oh you got it, cool.
AntiSquid: didn't mean to come across like i am showing you the middle finger ThaddeusQ3, but it's pretty much one of the two options
ThaddeusQ3: what does the red text mean? Is that a PM?
AntiSquid: no, just mention
ThaddeusQ3: how to do?
AntiSquid: everyone can see it
Astrobytes: Just type the person's name
AntiSquid: just write user's name you want to mention
ThaddeusQ3: Antisquid Test
ThaddeusQ3: @Antisquid Test
AntiSquid: ya i see it red, but i could be lying right? :p
Astrobytes: Also, if you type the first few letters then press Tab it will autocomplete
Astrobytes: Just check it autocompletes correctly :P
ThaddeusQ3: Astrobytes This is another test
Astrobytes: Test OK
Astrobytes: ThaddeusQ3
ThaddeusQ3: kk. Thanks
AntiSquid: progressing in a multi with more players is still more rewarding in CP
Astrobytes: He's just practising VB AntiSquid
AntiSquid: top of gold XR just 1200 CP, #110 in gold crystal rush 2.2k CP and i have like a page of TODOs or stuff to try out ...
AntiSquid: just rambling about my bots Astrobytes
Astrobytes: Oh I get you
Astrobytes: Still no XR legend?
AntiSquid: no
AntiSquid: i get pushed down actually
AntiSquid: it's like people only improved to push me down @_@
Astrobytes: lol, always feels like that
AntiSquid: i didn't touch XR for over a month now
Astrobytes: Well, still time before the contest
AntiSquid: but it's kinda true for xr, i mean i was close to promo and then few peeps suddenly feel like submitting and they submit strong bots that drop me, nothing experimental that promotes me so yes it does feel that way
Astrobytes: XR gold is not fun
AntiSquid: i need to optimize it
AntiSquid: it's very slow
AntiSquid: and i don't make full use of the time
Astrobytes: Mines is a disgrace. How it's 60th is miraculous. I ca barely read the code.
Astrobytes: *can
AntiSquid: i rewrote mine after ooc
AntiSquid: and then copied a few bits in from the old one see what to keep / discard
AntiSquid: old one was rank 550 in gold :D
Nerchio: silver bot in crystal rush
Nerchio: so good
Nerchio: should be illegal
AntiSquid: well game is very random so from what i remember to promote i had to do on tactic back then and then switch to different strategy in gold
AntiSquid: but if gold and silver were merged and a recalc took place there would be heavy shuffle
AntiSquid: quite sure top 200 silver and bottom 200 gold are very similar if not same in strength, all about right strategy for the bots you encounter
Nerchio: probably true
Nerchio: i guess i will try to force myself to gold with some submits i am doing quite consistent atm
romrd468: is oversteering or understeering better in CSB
icecream17: like, turning or speed?
romrd468: like closer targets or farther
romrd468: close print or farther print?
icecream17: sorry, my brain interpreted that as (go closer to targets or farther).... idk what you mean....
AntiSquid: it's more like you can keep tweaking the variables, submit, see results and repeat
romrd468: should I have more or less velocity
AntiSquid: yes
romrd468: Should I have precision steering or should I have speed steering
AntiSquid: that's what tweaking implies, more or less, keep trying @_@
icecream17: both? figure out how to speed by turning faster?
romrd468: How can I tell my pod to go fast and slow?
AntiSquid: be like water my friend
reCurse: Fast: thrust 100
reCurse: Slow: thrust 0
reCurse: Really slow: shield
Terrain2: hey so google is allowed, right?
reCurse: In what context
Terrain2: clash of code
icecream17: as long as it's not suspicious and learning
reCurse: It's unenforceable so sure
romrd468: currently my steering is at .01 is that precision enough?
AntiSquid: uhm :thinking: well screw clash, so yes ?
reCurse: Steering at .01 means nothing
reCurse: It's as if I ask you whether my win constant at 7 is good
AntiSquid: it's good 7 lucky number
AntiSquid: so people claim
Astrobytes: It's good. But only if x == 1337
icecream17: go at "checkpoint x squared" mod "numApples".
romrd468: haha I just created gandolf code
AntiSquid: was about to say i prefer 13, but your number is better in this context Astrobytes
Astrobytes: 7 is a lucky number AntiSquid? It's my birthday and I'm practically cursed I'm so unlucky :D
romrd468: you shall not pass!
AntiSquid: Astrobytes not sure how you are unlucky, but 7 being lucky is a common urban myth
Astrobytes: Oh my whole family is cursed, you wouldn't believe half of it. But nevermind that, what about the 7? Never heard that before
AntiSquid: romrd468 get an avatar
Astrobytes: *anime avatar
reCurse: Never heard of lucky 7s?
Astrobytes: Only in the context of fruit machines/bandits
AntiSquid: why does the jackpot machine have a 7 on a the rolls ?
AntiSquid: even outside that
romrd468: I times my vx by 3.14 and it went in circles
reCurse: Sounds like a question for google
Astrobytes: It's religious. Next.
romrd468: how close can you get to zero while still having an impact?
AntiSquid: In many cultures around the world, seven is considered a lucky number. ... Some people believe it is, but this belief may simply stem from the positive things often associated with the number. Like most beliefs associated with the concept of luck, superstition plays a large role in perpetuating the belief.
AntiSquid: copied from google
Astrobytes: Yes, it all stems from religious texts. Like I said. Next
AntiSquid: there's some biblical arguments in the results, tried to keep it neutral in that regard
Astrobytes: romrd468 why are you multiplying your velocity by pi?
MSmits: to go in circles. He just said that
MSmits: sigh
Astrobytes: No that's the result. his intention is unclear MSmits :P
AntiSquid: ya Astrobytes he just said that!
MSmits: o
reCurse: Because it sounds fancier to multiply vel by pi than 3.
Astrobytes: Shuddup AntiSquid :P
AntiSquid: i actually tried pi too
AntiSquid: it's good he understand he needs to try random stuff if he just wants to make things magically happen
Astrobytes: I spent ages on steering behaviours and shit, even made a little offline visualiser, got to gold, then discovered the trick. That's why I warn people off of the shortcut.
reCurse: I thought it was my secret :(
MSmits: wanna hear something really funny
AntiSquid: this was back when i started and gradually made some improvements, was always suggested to add the -3vel no matter what, although it was in there already -.-
AntiSquid: a certain madao kept telling me to add it, forgot he told me and told me again
reCurse: madsnowflake
Astrobytes: hehe
AntiSquid: still trying to ban Automaton2020
MSmits: so remember how I've been fitting onitama for like a week, prolly thousands of cg bench games
Astrobytes: MSmits tell us your funny something
Astrobytes: o
MSmits: i got a pretty good bot now
MSmits: but
Astrobytes: And you threw away all your benchmarks?
MSmits: i got really spikey results
MSmits: for constants
AntiSquid: and how do you adjust vars? still the old fashion way?
MSmits: like one ideal value and if i go right next to it, its 10% worse
romrd468: I have 3 difference CSB bots I am combining
MSmits: yes, but this is something else AntiSquid
MSmits: i found out the reason why my constants are so sensitive
MSmits: for a game thats quite random with the 300k card combinations
Astrobytes: Because they are wrong?
MSmits: no
AntiSquid: using polymerization romrd468
AntiSquid: use *
MSmits: because all of my thousands of games were done with the same 5 cards :P
MSmits: I have just been swapping games on those cards, both sides
Astrobytes: You knob :D
MSmits: but it never saw the other 10 cards
MSmits: but got nr 1 with that so thats cool :p\
Astrobytes: Jeez
AntiSquid: that's like getting #1 for perfecting a bot for 1 seed
MSmits: compare these two:
MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/628509da-b11b-4185-8ef7-9fe68d806859
MSmits: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/multi-onitama/MSmits
MSmits: look at the difference in how strong the bot seems to be
MSmits: see how badly i overfitted for this seed
MSmits: yes AntiSquid, that is it exactly
AntiSquid: ok
MSmits: so on the seed i am 80% + and on the cg stats i am around 50-60
MSmits: even my exploration parameter would drop my winrate from 80% to 70% if i made it go from 1.21 to 1.20
Astrobytes: Epic
MSmits: https://imgur.com/a/GyybpHL
romrd468: anyone notice that in CSB going to bots like the top left corner?
MSmits: so I am going to have to start over :P
MSmits: with this as a base I guess
Astrobytes: lol, pretty specific
MSmits: I'm also going to have to bring back the 4 eval features i discarded as useless. They may have been useless only for this seed
Astrobytes: hehehehe
MSmits: well this is what i get for only playing games with no random like oware and uttt
Astrobytes: Every day's a school day Mr Bits
MSmits: yep
MSmits: btw, i finished the harvard cs 50
romrd468: madknight gave me bad advice go figure
AntiSquid: :o
AntiSquid: shots fired
Astrobytes: What was the bad advice he gave you romrd468?
romrd468: He said to use the vel*3 and it made my code worse
AntiSquid: lol
AntiSquid: maybe your code is bugged
MSmits: well you had pi before
MSmits: pi > 3
Astrobytes: hehe, like I said earlier, please try to understand what that does
MSmits: romrd468 are you in gold?
romrd468: yeah
AntiSquid: the idea is to always use full velocity and then target an area before the next check point so you turn much faster to get ready for next checkpoint romrd468
MSmits: then it's time to either A) go to a different game or B) learn how to write search algorithms
AntiSquid: full speed i mean
MSmits: the sunglasses dude is a B
Astrobytes: heh
reCurse: I've heard a rumor some people got to legend without search
AntiSquid: that's me
reCurse: So definitely a rumor
MSmits: sure that may be possible, but why bother, you're just hitting the same kind of ceiling a little higher
romrd468: I had a glitch which made me go after 2 checkpoints at once and somehow I still went through both
Astrobytes: hahaha
AntiSquid: i used vel*2.98 !!
AntiSquid: obv the real legend constant
AntiSquid: and had a blocker
MSmits: which did -3 vel on his runner?
AntiSquid: idk, i forgot
Astrobytes: I just #include <Madeleine>
Astrobytes: and then call MK::FixIt()
AntiSquid: MSmits didn't like CSB, just did random submits for legend to then try something else, madao was nagging in chat all day and pinging everyone new
Astrobytes: woops, and don't forget to set MK::EZPZ to true;
Astrobytes: *.
AntiSquid: there was more, constant promotion of inoryy starter bot ... and how the other guy got top 50 with it, got really irritating at some point
AntiSquid: "write a simu, how is your simu?"
MSmits: AntiSquid I don't like it much either. I only kept going cuz it went so well, succes motivates. I really dont want to go back to it though
reCurse: Most satisfying game to watch though, maybe only second to FB
MSmits: i like to watch onitama :)
romrd468: Angle to vector program initialized
MSmits: probably should have watched my cg bench games though :flushed:
romrd468: if same target drop a nuclear bomb on their pod
reCurse: ecks dee
Astrobytes: CSB with weaponry would certainly be... interesting
MSmits: that's mario kart
MSmits: and
MSmits: yes please :)
AntiSquid: romrd468 why don't you try mini max? there are grenades
AntiSquid: mean max multi meant
AntiSquid: kinda sleepy
Astrobytes: Magic algos create new game features
Astrobytes: :P
MSmits: magic algos?
MSmits: locam?
Astrobytes: no, Squid's magic mini max that creates grenades
romrd468: I can throw your pods off screen XD
reCurse: ecks dee
Astrobytes: lel
Nerchio: crystal rush gold hard earned xD
romrd468: strategy = one ram while using shield two is boost after to make sure they dead
Astrobytes: grats Nerchio
MSmits: gj Nerchio
AntiSquid: hard coded and then just a bit more hard coding and legend !
AntiSquid: gj
Nerchio: not much hard coding so far :p
AntiSquid: no fixed radar placement ?
Nerchio: ok that i have :D
Nerchio: but nothing except that
Astrobytes: Still can't bring myself to paly that game again
Astrobytes: Or play it
MSmits: same
MSmits: I couldnt even finish the contest
MSmits: only time i ever dropped out during
AntiSquid: you would have dropped out of ooc if it were 1 week
MSmits: hmm
MSmits: i might have made different decisions
Astrobytes: It started at what could be described as a 'difficult' time in my life, plus I didn't really like it
AntiSquid: actually i wanted to drop out of ooc day 1, right there in wood2 :D
MSmits: i didnt hate ooc
MSmits: wasnt the most fun contest ever, but it was ok
MSmits: for me that is
Astrobytes: I liked OOC more, but in a relative to 'Crystal Rush' way
reCurse: I'd like a break on fog of war
reCurse: Possibly forever
Astrobytes: Yeeeep
MSmits: you mean you want a game with full knowledge?
AntiSquid: on hidden information
AntiSquid: not fond of it and ooc i dislike the most
MSmits: i think its different in ooc because the hidden information is the whole game. In most other games it's just a small feature of it like in utg or wondev woman
Astrobytes: Compared to UTG?
reCurse: Probability stuff with CG's architecture is straight up masochism
AntiSquid: yes
MSmits: why
MSmits: what do you need for probability stuff?
AntiSquid: one of the reasons is the character limit
reCurse: Better sampling
AntiSquid: ooc and UTG are screaming at you to do some sort of statistics
Astrobytes: But you need more games, and that's just never gonna happen
Amirabbas: hello i got a question about the privite clash of code .... if i play on match with my friends can we play again or should we generate new link to share.?..my friends arent here right now i want to know
MSmits: true i did use a bit of statistics for ooc, but the biggest part of the code is tracking and managing states
AntiSquid: wondev woman didn't seem that bad to me, but it was my first contest ... right now i think ooc is #1 worst game, and utg #2 worst
MSmits: i think every clash is a new link
MSmits: Amirabbas
MSmits: what did you like most AntiSquid?
Amirabbas: thanks ...is there anymone here to join just to try...just skip the test
reCurse: Trick question: nothing
AntiSquid: kutulu
Astrobytes: Code Royale was my firs AntiSquid and it seemed fun at the time, I hate it with every cell in my body now
MSmits: i liked it too
MSmits: i am trying to think of one i liked more
MSmits: I think code royale doesnt count for me because it was my first... big thrill
AntiSquid: lol why not ?
MSmits: well looking at it objectively it was far from the best contest
blasterpoard: huh? I though kutulu was kinda bad
MSmits: I enjoyed it a lot though
AntiSquid: ya well opinions
blasterpoard: waaaay too simple if you realize what's important in that game
Amirabbas: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/12058083f5fbffed78f77b9bf31858b7e192dde id be happy if anyone just join and then skip the test dont anser just to test if i can remach
MSmits: every game is equally hard blasterpoard, everything thats easy for you is also easy for the opponents
AntiSquid: well someone was saying it's too complicated with too many things to take into account
MSmits: well 4p is always hard to write a search for
blasterpoard: MSmits well, I have a #5 if/else bot on the leaderboard
Astrobytes: Don't spam those clash links in chat please Amirabbas, people will join your clash if you make it and they want to clash
MSmits: blasterpoard that might be a sign that its hard, not that it's easy :)
AntiSquid: how many things do you precompute blasterpoard ?
MSmits: if it's hard to write a search, then people use heuristics
blasterpoard: AntiSquid line of sight and distance between all pairs of squares
MSmits: me too
Amirabbas: i undrestand i just want to test smh no playing...i want to see if we can have a remach in privite once
blasterpoard: also number of turns for a slasher to reach a square by rushing then moving
MSmits: same
MSmits: btw some of these things are pretty hard to do in the calc time available if you use C#
MSmits: have to be careful about optimizing your BFS and such
blasterpoard: my bot is not optimized at all
MSmits: it;s also probably c++ :P
blasterpoard: and I didn't have optimization pragmas during the contest
AntiSquid: ok so doesn't this come down to preferences then? if you like to extract lots of hidden info then that's your kinda game no?
MSmits: yeah
Astrobytes: For sure
MSmits: i prefer full knowledge, but I was ok with it in ooc
Astrobytes: There's a bunch of games on here for most tastes I reckon
MSmits: oh, strangely enough i liked code a la mode :)
Astrobytes: Just the last 2 contests have been heavy on the missing info
MSmits: just people not taking my plate... that I hated
Astrobytes: F that cooking game
AntiSquid: code a la mode was about reading brainless coworker
MSmits: ye, i assumed brains
AntiSquid: will he save the food from burning? bot always worked better when i guessed NO
blasterpoard: UTG high legend was mostly rock/paper/scissors because of the fog of war
MSmits: it's right there! You're next to the damn window, pick up the dam plate!!!
AntiSquid: so what's the best game on cg blasterpoard ?
Astrobytes: *what's your favourite game
blasterpoard: AntiSquid idk... the same I liked the most so far was, to my surprise, halite 3
blasterpoard: *game
Astrobytes: On CG tho
MSmits: on CG\
blasterpoard: I know, that's why I wrote the "idk"
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming
MSmits: pick one
AntiSquid: cg being inferior to halite 3 :thinking:
Astrobytes: OK, exluding Halite 3
reCurse: There's no bad answer, except for c4l of course
Astrobytes: *Excluding
**MSmits hopes blasterpoard says uttt
blasterpoard: no, I tried uttt, and I got bored
**Astrobytes thinks MSmits is attempting to troll reCurse
MSmits: :innocent:
MSmits: blasterpoard do you enjoy board games at all?
MSmits: or does it have to be a more complex simulated game?
MSmits: if so, do you prefer one with physics or a grid based one
blasterpoard: I don't like it when all I can do is a search algo
MSmits: how about ghost in the cell
MSmits: search does work somewhat, but not that well, most use heuristics, but not all
blasterpoard: I used to not like physics, but now I don't really mind, after dealing with the worst physics iof all the games
blasterpoard: ( AntiSquid knows what I'm talking about )
AntiSquid: you mean worst randomness i think
MSmits: Raic?
AntiSquid: oh wow wait that was worse
AntiSquid: but no
blasterpoard: MSmits I'll PM you
MSmits: kk
AntiSquid: imagine RaiC except bullets can randomly go through walls
reCurse: I want a name and/or URL
AntiSquid: or randomly blow your opponent off the map
Astrobytes: wtf
MSmits: super smash brothers
Astrobytes: Name and shame or forever be damned
icecream17: YES! My blocker is... sort of working! https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/456284936
Illedan: blasterpoard, what game? :P
MSmits: icecream the blocker is supposed to do more than be a goal post
reCurse: I forgot how slow csb is before legend
Nerchio: when will we get more info about spring challenge
MSmits: in 6 days, 17 hrs 2 mins and 48 seconds
MSmits: 44
Nerchio: no more teasers?: p
Nerchio: sounds like bad promotion xD
MSmits: ah well maybe a few hrs before, or a day, but nothing that is helpful
reCurse: It's pac man with powers, what more do you want :P
AntiSquid: maybe an email with a screenshot from thibaud
MSmits: a selfie?
AntiSquid: 1-2 hours before contest
MSmits: look at me being happy knowing the game while you're all waiting
AntiSquid: yes MSmits, his webcam pic next to the game viewer
icecream17: if you go into the console....
MSmits: aha
icecream17: and type "codingame"...
icecream17: codingame.session has "codinGamer" but even more interesting an empty array "newFeatures" hmm
reCurse: h4x0r
icecream17: What if you do... codingame.session.codinGamer.xp = Infinity
MSmits: allright getting some sleep, gn
Nerchio: cya
Astrobytes: nn
AntiSquid: gn8
AntiSquid: nice you're halfway through gold
Nerchio: who
AntiSquid: you
Nerchio: hehe ye thats actually the first commit
Nerchio: i didn't program since then
Nerchio: lots of stuff to fix for sure
Nerchio: i added the basic trap prediction like you(?) i think said
Nerchio: where you assume they took the trap if they were 1 turn at spawn
AntiSquid: no idea what i said anymore tbh
Nerchio: could be someone else that said this though xD
AntiSquid: ya
Nerchio: maybe cpt blasterpoard
AntiSquid: ctp *
Astrobytes: AT least 3 people mentioned it from what I saw in today's/tonight' chat
Astrobytes: And I wasn't here the whole time :P
struct: mentioned what?
Astrobytes: Yinsh struct, Yinsh
Astrobytes: (I'm joking)
blasterpoard: Nerchio how about bots who pick up the mine, leave 1st column, return there without digging, and then go place it?
Astrobytes: Trap prediction in UTG struct
Astrobytes: Remember that game? :P
struct: Never heard of it
struct: Is it still here?
Astrobytes: Yeah, Crystal Rush now
Nerchio: blasterpoard at the moment I coded really general trap prediction I didn't play with nuances
Nerchio: main goal so far was to get as much ore as possible without losing bots
Nerchio: otherwise i would stay in silver forever
Nerchio: but at some point i will probably add 'tricks' to my bot as well
Nerchio: so its not so easy to predict my traps
blasterpoard: don't focus on that
blasterpoard: just don't lose bots and make stashes
Nerchio: i think losing 1 turn here and there for each bot is not the biggest deal and can throw off a lot of people on my way to legend
Nerchio: didn't work with stashes yet, do you mean gatherin ore to 1 spot and collecting it later?
blasterpoard: yes
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/456288847 btw your mine detection isn't that good
blasterpoard: or do you only try to not dig them up?
blasterpoard: that's not enough
Nerchio: yeah so far ye
Nerchio: you blew it up yeah?
blasterpoard: yes
Nerchio: my bots shouldn't mine this
blasterpoard: blowing up mines intentionally is very common in gold, even more so in legend
Nerchio: yeah i have some small code as well
Nerchio: if i have the chance i will blow it up 1 for 2+
AntiSquid: doesn't that take more time? your bot spends a turn placing the ore into stash, later on another bot spends 1 turn digging it out
blasterpoard: you don't really have to do it, just don't lose 2 bors for 1
blasterpoard: AntiSquid you increase opponent's travel time a lot
Nerchio: yeah i will see how often it happens in gold
struct: a lot
Nerchio: how do you increase opponents travel time because of stashes?
Illedan: TravelTime++;
Nerchio: stopEnemyBot=true
reCurse: opponent->TravelTime++;
reCurse: Illenoob
AntiSquid: place construction site signs around your digging area :p
reCurse: Hmm, Illedanoob works better
Illedan: noobCurse
blasterpoard: Nerchio the opponent has to travel far to collect ore in the late game; you can just collect the stashes
Nerchio: yea but you're not collecting as well?
Illedan: Not:
opponent->++TravelTime;
reCurse?
blasterpoard: Nerchio I do collect it eventually
struct: ++opponent->TravelTime
struct: ;
blasterpoard: but I get more of the ore closer to the 1st column
blasterpoard: so I travel less
Astrobytes: Noobedan
Nerchio: that's probably more of legend tactics :p
blasterpoard: no, that's high gold
Astrobytes: reNoob
blasterpoard: high legend is trying to figure out what can you mine safely
AntiSquid: opponent->operator[](i)->TravelTime++;
Nerchio: i will probably start with splitting my bots against mines looks like it happens quite often in gold
tecnosam: print("Hello World")
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/456290055 here's a replay against squid; notice how far to the right he has to go to get ore
Your_Lord_And_Savior: OOOF
Your_Lord_And_Savior: :rage:
AntiSquid: ya i am horrible at collecting ore on top of that
Astrobytes: if (screwed) goto IncrementOpponentTravelTime;
blasterpoard: I just needed to find a bot that doesn't explode in first 20 turns and doesn't make stashes
Nerchio: :D
reCurse: I approve of antisquid getting rekt
AntiSquid: ^ i thought it's a compliment to not explode in first 20 turns
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/456290785 just had to play 1 more game against you
blasterpoard: and you explode as well
Nerchio: blasterpoard dunking on golds :(
AntiSquid: i thought i fixed that :/
Nerchio: that's probably the first thing i will try to fix
AntiSquid: it thinks it does a good trade for some reason
Astrobytes: #include <Madeleine> AntiSquid
AntiSquid: ah nvm blaster dug that
AntiSquid: my bot used to be very suicidal
blasterpoard: Nerchio yes, not exploding is quite important
Astrobytes: "not exploding is quite important" - words to live by
reCurse: Unless it's exploding your enemies
Astrobytes: Of course. Context is king
Astrobytes: *everything. Fixed my sexism.
reCurse: Check your privilege
blasterpoard: I'm surprised by how often it happens agianst gold bots, considering that I only do it if I randomly happen to be nxt to a mine that happens to be next to 2+ opponent's bots
Astrobytes: triggered
blasterpoard: (maybe 1+, I don't remember)
Nerchio: probably because it requires quite a big more logic
Nerchio: you can say DIG not being close to a dig and it will take you there
Nerchio: but now you need to predict if 2 of your bots will be close to each other
blasterpoard: that's why the move command is there
Nerchio: i know but as i said it requires a lot more logic :D
Nerchio: because now I need not only to check where my bots will end up but also where is a good spot for them to move
Nerchio: that's not a problem ofcourse just saying it's much easier in this game to code a base bode without logic like this
AntiSquid: my bot places a lot of mines and it doesn't do any man spreading
Nerchio: lol
Nerchio: code + bot = bode
blasterpoard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manspreading
blasterpoard: good bot
Astrobytes: lol
AntiSquid: was a joke, i don't keep them apart, high chance they land next to a bomb together
Astrobytes: Anyway, I'm out. Good night, dobru noc, bonne nuit, noapte buna
blasterpoard: the biggest bug in my bot is that I don't avoid having 2+ bots aroung my non-mined stashes
Nerchio: yeah hehe
Nerchio: https://www.codingame.com/replay/456290835
Nerchio: i exploded antisquid too :D
AntiSquid: do i really need to fix that next? don't feel like it :p
Nerchio: probably helps with consistency
Nerchio: losing 2 bots for 1 is pretty much auto-loss
Nerchio: ok i go to bed cya guys
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