MadKnight: why do u close p if u opened h1
MadKnight: fix your html
stacked: lmao
stacked: he lives life on the edge
stacked: i dont have that much xp with making bot ai, where should i start
MadKnight: stacked
cpchenpi: helloeveryone
MadKnight: hihi
cpchenpi: how to solve the ascii art
terminal-bash: doing a bitwise clash, and this makes no sense to me in python.
Adnmaster: hi
struct: hello
Adnmaster: these coding challenges are awesome
Nerchio: which ones
KobeL: Streaming some clash of code over at https://twitch.tv/saintplaysthings feel free to hop in and join
cegprakash: hey icecream17 and Crog plz promote me
cegprakash: I'm only 0.25 away from silver boss
cegprakash: plz resubmit icecream17 I have good win rate against u
cegprakash: once I get promoted if u resubmit may be u can also get promoted because I won't be there on ur way
aCat: lol :D
aCat: collaborative bossfighting
Uljahn: so your goal is bottom gold :smirk:
Nerchio: gold is a respectful league :p
Uljahn: ye, for a newb like me :smiley:
cegprakash: Uljahn push me
cegprakash: you can
K4Mx: how is decided who makes the first turn in Onitama bots pvp battles ?
K4Mx: or its indirect pvp ? ie who score the best vs CPU (and i will be disappointed)
K4Mx: bc its pve in the nd xD
K4Mx: bc its pve in the end xD
MSmits: K4Mx the bots are on the leaderboard, when you submit, you play battles against them and go up the leaderboard if your bot is any good
MSmits: the boss is just to have a bot to practice against and to act as a gatekeeper for the highest league
MSmits: the first turn is random in the case of onitama
K4Mx: can i pick a specific vs bot , ie my friends bot
MSmits: but can be different in other games
MSmits: to practice against yes, once you have submitted and your friend is in the same or lower league
K4Mx: thank you
MSmits: np, onitama is not the easiest game to start with though, be aware of that
K4Mx: it appeals really much to me though
MSmits: ultimate tic tac toe might be easier, it starts with regular tic tac toe up to bronze league
MSmits: sure, thats important too
K4Mx: its fine ill grind my head on onitama
MSmits: kk
K4Mx: :grin:
Nerchio: i programmed a bot for ghost in a cell and it is playing in a way i don't even recognize it
Nerchio: xD
AntiSquid: it is taking over
Nerchio: it can't even take over bronze
Nerchio: so im not sure about that xD
K4Mx: omg my bot is alive
K4Mx: i love this website and commiunity xD
K4Mx: *first move dance*
AntiSquid: the bug took over your bot
CapoDiTuttiCapi: i hate shortest mode
CapoDiTuttiCapi: is there a method to always play fastest mode?
Uljahn: yes
if not shortest: leave()
Uljahn: or fastest
ashelkov: my fav is shortest :)
ashelkov: and reverse
wlesavo: leave=[0,1][!fastest|shortest]
AntiSquid: if len([fun:]) > 0:
play()
CapoDiTuttiCapi: :)))))
AntiSquid: can't play :/
CapoDiTuttiCapi: is there some way to access the history of matches played to see your evolution?
cegprakash: yes
cegprakash: click on Last battles on the left side
thanos11: hi..
MSmits: :ok_hand:
MSmits: thats me snapping my fingers thanos style
MSmits: hi
Crypticsy: hey, how do you do list.pop() in clojure?
eulerscheZahl: oh, MSmits already got me :/
eulerscheZahl: congrats
MSmits: thanks, code is mostly done. Just working on eval
ZarthaxX: got you where?
MSmits: onitama
ZarthaxX: lets see that lb mhm
MSmits: nice thing about onitama is that games are short. Makes it easy to tune constants :)
MSmits: I might write a tuner program that can do it locally, if I feel like it
MSmits: but I would have to copy your board generation code eulerscheZahl, not sure how much work that is
MSmits: well actually just your card generation code
MSmits: thats all that is different between games
eulerscheZahl: very little code
eulerscheZahl: 16 different cards i think
eulerscheZahl: take 5 by random
MSmits: some exceptions right
eulerscheZahl: a few combinations are excluded as easily solvable
MSmits: yea
MSmits: this bot is bascially the same as my oware bot
MSmits: just way worse eval atm
MSmits: oware is extremely tuned
eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/eulerscheZahl/Onitama/blob/master/src/main/java/Onitama/Board.java#L16
map generation
MSmits: great thanks
eulerscheZahl: and the blacklist https://github.com/eulerscheZahl/Onitama/blob/master/src/main/java/Onitama/Board.java#L198
MSmits: gith still having issues
eulerscheZahl: https://www.githubstatus.com/
eulerscheZahl: working fine for me but they report an incident
MSmits: now it works again
eulerscheZahl: lots of red in the monitoring for such a big website
MSmits: yeah
eulerscheZahl: i would expect such a graph from the CG chat but not github
MSmits: they're probably being targeted
MSmits: or coding is something that happens more during corona crisis
eulerscheZahl: maybe 2 years ago there was a major downtime too with a corrupted database. they wrote a detailed blogpost about what went wrong
eulerscheZahl: but this time i just see that it's resolved without explanations what happened
eulerscheZahl: btw you can now have unlimited contributors on your private repos (used to be 3 for free accounts)
MSmits: I never had a contributor including myself :)
MSmits: I just post playgrounds
MSmits: but I like that stuff cna be private now
MSmits: wow look at this one
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/454207564
MSmits: see how fast it's solved
MSmits: seems like an exception though, probably low branching
eulerscheZahl: indeed
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/454204227
and here i screwed up, looking at your output
MSmits: lol yea... its possible. I am not 100% sure that I have no bugs
MSmits: but since I am the one that won... not sure
eulerscheZahl: when you decide that you will lose, do you still try to play as good as you can and hope for a weak opponent?
eulerscheZahl: as in your replay the losing player didn't even try i think
MSmits: I choose the node that has the most visits. Meaning it takes the node that took longest to solve as a loss
Astrobytes: Same as your Oware bot
MSmits: that increases the likelyhood the opponent didnt solve the win
MSmits: yes
MSmits: about the other replay, i dunno, maybe it really didnt have an option.
MSmits: my eval is not card based, just position based
MSmits: a better eval would take the actual cards into account
MSmits: and possibly also the positons of students and masters
MSmits: i mean not just the self-positions
MSmits: but the positions compared to others
MSmits: but lower difficulty would be to take cards into account
MSmits: it's not bad to be on the left side, if the cards all give you moves to the right... for example
MSmits: not sure how sophisticated the other bots are, but I get the feeling the search-type is far less important than the quality of the eval
eulerscheZahl: or just having cards with many legal moves
MSmits: oh, right yes
MSmits: I am also not sure if positions should take all cards into account or just the cards you have
MSmits: because you can use those cards only once and then the opponent will have them
eulerscheZahl: maybe a mix of both
MSmits: possibly, can do both, put a constant in there and see what happens when you tune
MSmits: but I am just going to finish tuning my current simple eval, then it can be a baseline later
MSmits: while I am doing that, I was thinking of coding a STC bot
MSmits: the biggest challenge for that one seems to be a fast sim
MSmits: I was thinking a uint16_t bitboard per color, floodfill for checking combos
MSmits: a rotated bitboard though, falling to the left, so uint16_t[6] per color
MSmits: to the right that is
MSmits: then when stuff disappears, i can shift right in some way... not sure if it is worth it. Seems really complicated
eulerscheZahl: at some point performance doesn't even matter than much at STC i think
eulerscheZahl: you need lots of sims. but when you reach them, more doesn't help much anymore
eulerscheZahl: at least for what i'm doing (i mostly ignore my opponent)
MSmits: there are many games where that is true yeah
eulerscheZahl: if you want to play different opponent attack scenarios, you'll need more sims i think
MSmits: I see
MSmits: cool thing about this is that part of the code can be reused for tulips and daisies
MSmits: though you need 4 in a row there
eulerscheZahl: did they redesign the IDE leaderboard?
eulerscheZahl: avatars are much bigger
MSmits: not sure, lemme refresh
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: nice
wlesavo: oh, mb thats why it was laggy today
reCurse: I don't see any difference...
pb4: MSmits : STC is "bitboardable" if you want to try
reCurse: Everything is bitboardable if you're creative enough and don't care about perf
pb4: Jeff06 did it
pb4: His perf were respectable at the time of the contest
reCurse: I was giving motivation to MSbits
MSmits: :)
MSmits: it's a bit of an obsession
eulerscheZahl: a bit :D
reCurse: I see what you did there
MSmits: :grin:
reCurse: One day you'll be worthy of the challenge
reCurse: CSB in bitboards
MSmits: ehh lol, not quite that masochistic
MSmits: do you ever use bitboard reCurse? I thought you did on ice and fire
reCurse: I did
MSmits: and on some boardgames i wont mention
reCurse: Uh?
reCurse: No bitboard on uttt
MSmits: the u-word
MSmits: oh?
MSmits: thats original
reCurse: Is it
MSmits: most top players have it
reCurse: Why
MSmits: no idea, tunnel vision?
reCurse: Just kidding I have bitboards
MSmits: lol
reCurse: Well I did go through a number of versions...
MSmits: same
MSmits: actually i have 3 systems in my live bot not counting the input system
MSmits: binary, ternay and something to compact my state representation for opening books
MSmits: got a little out of hand there
reCurse: You have exceeded your allotted quota for discussing the topic: UTTT
MSmits: agreed :)
MSmits: darkhorse will not be happy
MSmits: just passed him in onitama... but its probably a random fluke, his bot is still stronger
darkhorse64: I said no more coding before next contest
MSmits: oh, did not get the memo. I will stop coding now then
MSmits: will just tune constants :P
MSmits: i wonder if you have anything fancy in your eval besides position based scores
MSmits: like card based stuff
reCurse: You have exceeded your allotted quota for discussing the topic: coding
MSmits: bah
reCurse: :P
MSmits: are you going to throw traffic lights at me soon?
**reCurse takes notes
darkhorse64: for now position based scores but it's clearly not enough
MSmits: same as me then. It helps a lot though
MSmits: when i implemented a first version of that, it had 85% vs my version that just counted knights
darkhorse64: A vanilla MCTS would rank at eulerscheZahl place
MSmits: yes
MSmits: it did
MSmits: I was almost the same rating as euler, with counting knights
eulerscheZahl: i have a position scoring but not sure if it's any good
eulerscheZahl: maybe i'm scoring the wrong things
MSmits: it's probably good, but you're also using C#
MSmits: performance matters here
eulerscheZahl: illedan still much higher than me
MSmits: hmm thats true
eulerscheZahl: but i admit i didn't tune for performance
eulerscheZahl: for me it was more about coding the game than actually playing ti
eulerscheZahl: it
MSmits: yeah, that is a victory in and of itself, it's a great addition
AntiSquid: need multi of the week with xp reward for participation
MSmits: mmh how to define participation?
eulerscheZahl: we have enough multis to almost fill a year with it
eulerscheZahl: legend
darkhorse64: Do 25 XP really matter ?
MSmits: sometimes a small incentive gets people to try a multi
reCurse: All I see is wasted potential of CG to host smaller events
MSmits: You mean contests
eulerscheZahl: i noticed player count got up when it was the puzzle of the week
reCurse: Doesn't have to be contest
AntiSquid: even just submitting, get some activity up, more xp if rank increases / promotion / etc why not
MSmits: you're right, it is half wasted. A game can be a contest and then a multi
MSmits: well however you define contest
reCurse: The concept of mini-contest is unexplored
MSmits: like br2k was
reCurse: Could have been done with minimum resources I think
reCurse: oh well
eulerscheZahl: onitama doesn't have depth for a full contest i think. but for a weekend it would be fine
MSmits: yeah
eulerscheZahl: and we get more and more contributions like that
MSmits: it's not easy to estimate a good length for a contest it seems
reCurse: It's not about length at all
reCurse: If you can have puzzle of the week
reCurse: You can have challenge of the week
reCurse: No leagues
reCurse: No rerun
MSmits: I totally agree
reCurse: But achievement/mention of top 3 somewhere
reCurse: Or XP bonus for top 50
reCurse: Who knows
reCurse: Tons of options
MSmits: did someone make this suggestion?
MSmits: I mean apart from here
reCurse: I don't care about making suggestions that are any more complex than ~1 LOC :P
reCurse: They don't get done
MSmits: -1 LOC?
AntiSquid: focusing too much on difficulty of the game, i mean we had a puzzle of the week where all you had to do was output cube of a number or something equally easy, forgot what it was
reCurse: tilde 1
reCurse: Stupid font
MSmits: ok but what is LOC?
reCurse: line of code
MSmits: oh ok
eulerscheZahl: i can see the tilde
darkhorse64: +1
MSmits: btw darkhorse64, i am not using transposition tables
MSmits: dont wanna waste your time trying. It was too slow. I think rehashing timed me out
MSmits: it works on yavalath because you expand 60 hexes and expansion happens a lot less
MSmits: well it arguably works, it wasnt great
eulerscheZahl: compared to having few move options in onitama?
MSmits: yes
MSmits: so many more expansions
MSmits: even though it has a ton of repeated states
MSmits: so TT should work... it didnt for me
AntiSquid: showing confidence in darkhorse's abilities: i failed so you better not waste your time little bugger
MSmits: haha thats not what i mean
MSmits: I meant, I spent the time writing a crazy 64 bit state representation
MSmits: it's not worth it without TT
MSmits: well once you have it, it's fine
MSmits: but the debugging is insane
MSmits: you need to use pext and pdep just to know where you master is
eulerscheZahl: board.Players[MY_ID].Master.Cell
i have some indirection too
MSmits: I think maybe it would be cool to have it for a minimax, because with minimax you can just do TT up to depth 6 or so
MSmits: with mcts i save the tree between turns, too complex
MSmits: eulerscheZahl ah ok, i am not sure how that compares with speed of pext and pdep
MSmits: they are multiple instructions
MSmits: inline uint32_t GetMasterPosition(uint32_t playerBoard, int masterIndex)
{
return __builtin_ctz(_pdep_u32(1 << masterIndex, playerBoard));
}
MSmits: the index tells you which of the 5 bits on the boards is a master, so it's between 0 and 4
eulerscheZahl: so you have 25 bits with up to 5 1's and another 3 bit to tell the master?
MSmits: yes
eulerscheZahl: but do that twice and you can't store the cards anymore
MSmits: i can
MSmits: there are 30 card states
MSmits: thats 5 bit
eulerscheZahl: ah, so you have the cards in play as a global variable i guess (you like globals)
eulerscheZahl: and just store the index in each board
MSmits: yep
eulerscheZahl: the permutation*
MSmits: thats what i do, you have to be a bit careful about the fact that 0,1,2,3,4 is the same as 1, 0, 2, 4, 3
eulerscheZahl: i know
eulerscheZahl: you talked about it earlier
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: I can talk about this stuff forever :P
eulerscheZahl: 2 is the middle card then?
MSmits: the 3rd in the list is yes
darkhorse64: Is this just for weekend challenges, to what extremities will you go for the next context ? Bitboarding all pacman
MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/46f2b3fe-835d-4081-967b-7947fdfa12ee
MSmits: i don't know darkhorse64, I always fear not having enough time to code some extreme state representation
MSmits: you need time to come up with good pruning heuristics, strategy, tune constants etc.
MSmits: you cant take till 2nd friday just to get a working bot
darkhorse64: That's why I like the relaxing aspect of multi. Need a month to get Legend ? No worries
MSmits: time is a resource in a 10 day contest for me. Not for euler I think.
MSmits: i agree darkhorse64
eulerscheZahl: i'm usually running out of ideas before the end :D
eulerscheZahl: or motivation
eulerscheZahl: or both
MSmits: thats what i mean, I am fighting against the clock. The worst thing for me is not ending lower than usual, it is having untried ideas when the deadline hits
Nerchio: what you guys playing?
MSmits: onitama right now
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/onitama
Nerchio: silver in ghost in a cell hehe
eulerscheZahl: i guess you don't need hits how to improve you
eulerscheZahl: yet*
eulerscheZahl: hm, wanted to type "yet", but "you" makes sense as well
Scarfield: i dont think he needs "hits" either ;)
eulerscheZahl: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
eulerscheZahl: i should just type random letters, makes no difference anyways
Nerchio: its hard to make progress i think but i make it little by little
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/454238422
compare the first turns, which factories we conquer
Nerchio: ye hehe
Nerchio: i know
Nerchio: the 0 factories are kinda useless but i need some logic to capture them too
eulerscheZahl: they can help for upgrading
eulerscheZahl: but not in the early game
Nerchio: i just move between factories length <=4 usually so idk on some maps i might be closed if i dont take 0 factories
eulerscheZahl: ther's nothing wrong with taking them
eulerscheZahl: just a matter of priorization
Nerchio: and you need some logic for smaller maps
Nerchio: where taking 10cyborg neutral factory can kill you
eulerscheZahl: the game is not that simple
Nerchio: I can see
IAmNoob: HI!
jacek: good evening
AntiSquid: good morning
idkhow2codee: hi
jrke: good night for me
jrke: hey can anybody tell me how to reduce reponse time of programme in cpp
jacek: optimize it *.*
dbdr: new leaderboard design :O
AntiSquid: where
Nerchio: where
Nerchio: :D
AntiSquid: Automaton2000 where
Automaton2000: what is the main problem is that it is a string
AntiSquid: stop your string output dbdr
dbdr: ?
dbdr: IDE/Leaderboard
AntiSquid: ugh
AntiSquid: i don't like it :D
cegprakash: Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays me from kicking butt. Just reached Gold League.
Nerchio: gz!
cegprakash: did anyone saw who pushed me
AntiSquid: oh
AntiSquid: lame
AntiSquid: i thought you wrekced boss
eulerscheZahl: i know that text
eulerscheZahl: you can twitter it now
AntiSquid: shouldn't have wrote that last line ceg
cegprakash: it's okay
cegprakash: all is fair in promotion
AntiSquid: if only i had a twitter
cegprakash: okay to park the bot at #2
cegprakash: and wait for ppl to push
cegprakash: no shame in that
cegprakash: I won't stop here though
cegprakash: 60+ ppl in legend
cegprakash: means I can also do it
Nerchio: gold is the hardest but i hope you can do it :p
eulerscheZahl: a lot of people are over 2 meters tall. yet i see now way how i could do it
eulerscheZahl: your reasoning is invalid ceg
cegprakash: remember that I'm top #20 in one of the challenges
cegprakash: what was it called..
cegprakash: it's a grid game
cegprakash: u draw lines and block opponents
eulerscheZahl: great escape?
cegprakash: to reach other side
cegprakash: yes
cegprakash: I was in top #20
cegprakash: I didn't do the conteset
cegprakash: I joined multiplayer
cegprakash: and I learnt that 3 wall thing
eulerscheZahl: i know, you told everyone on the chat
AntiSquid: over 500 space travelers, so you should also do it cegprakash
cegprakash: and added a counter strat
ZarthaxX: lol
ZarthaxX: you are saying that as you are top20 in one multi u can get legend here?
cegprakash: keep trolling
cegprakash: while I wreck u all
ZarthaxX: u are trolling
ZarthaxX: lmao
eulerscheZahl: go play codejam
AntiSquid: ^
jacek: or clash
AntiSquid: x
Zenoscave: y
Zenoscave: z
cegprakash: I want this 500 xp
eulerscheZahl: did you do the 4 player CSB?
eulerscheZahl: that's easier 500xp
cegprakash: non eulerscheZahl
Zenoscave: BR 2048?
eulerscheZahl: no
eulerscheZahl: CSB
AntiSquid: 4 player CSB? link?
Zenoscave: there's a four player csb?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/replay/422879379
AntiSquid: flour *
eulerscheZahl: click "play"
jacek: unathrozied
Zenoscave: unauthorized
cegprakash: Please contact codersHS@codingame.com
AntiSquid: lol MadSnowflake_b78b is first in that multi
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/replay/422878767
AntiSquid: i mean MadKnight
Zenoscave: same
cegprakash: same
eulerscheZahl: damn, why? :(
AntiSquid: actually nvm, MadSnowflake_b78b kinda same user name anyway
eulerscheZahl: they fixed it
i can still access as i submitted before i guess
dbdr: yeah, I can access it too
AntiSquid: i can access it :p
jacek: so no easy 500xp?
Zenoscave: was that AntiSquid's version that got taken down?
AntiSquid: what? no
AntiSquid: i had no csb version wtf
Zenoscave: what game did you release that they hid
eulerscheZahl: pacman
AntiSquid: pacman
Zenoscave: nice lol
AntiSquid: probably without the power ups in the cover image
cegprakash: 4 players everyone controlling 1 car?
cegprakash: or 2 cars?
AntiSquid: i am sure the contest will have power ups
MadKnight: lol they changed leaderboard design ?
AntiSquid: ya
Zenoscave: Heya MadKnight
cegprakash: link the contest
Zenoscave: how's your bot
AntiSquid: i don't like it, do you MadKnight ?
AntiSquid: Zenoscave he is 1st in 4 player CSB lol
AntiSquid: he achieved the dream
MadKnight: yea this new design looks weird
Zenoscave: Nice gz
AntiSquid: he transcended the heavens
cegprakash: for god sake someone show me the game
MadKnight: let's hire Automaton2000 as a designer
Automaton2000: but if you go to the leaderboard
AntiSquid: i am #19 with D on the 4 player CSB leaderboad btw, proves the efficiency of the language
aCat: Is it possible to create clickable link in the puzzle description?
aCat: simply use html tag?
aCat: "classic in-out puzzle"
eulerscheZahl: only in SDK contributions
aCat: ah, ok, thx euler
eulerscheZahl: so you have to add a viewer now ;)
aCat: nay, not my puzzle
aCat: I'm reviewing
aCat: but my own will bo up I hope soon :P
eulerscheZahl: in-out puzzle? multiplayer?
aCat: I wanted to make some simple optimization ones
eulerscheZahl: cool
aCat: simple, don't get too much excited
eulerscheZahl: worth approving then?
aCat: based on some labtasks from the AI course
aCat: your magnificent frogginess will decide ;p
dbdr: how can optimization be simple?
eulerscheZahl: can we find the optimal score?
dbdr: either you can achieve the optimal, and it's kind of pointless
cegprakash: why am I watching Join the PAC spring video on loop
cegprakash: am I going to win it
Zenoscave: no
eulerscheZahl: no
dbdr: or you can't and it's not simple
Zenoscave: Winning would mean you'd have to read the instructions
aCat: ok, you will not jum over the language performacne
eulerscheZahl: if you can solve it, make it a puzzle and demand a certain score
eulerscheZahl: like bush fires or however it is called
aCat: I was also considering this approach
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/training/medium/forest-fire
aCat: woo - I LOVE this - people actually are doing in-out puzzles with graphics !!!
aCat: These ones should be more visible on the site
eulerscheZahl: i totally agree
aCat: the same as original CG puzzles
dbdr: those are rare, but indeed nice
eulerscheZahl: completely lost among all the other games
aCat: they blend n too much and be honest - level of design is much different
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/training/hard/11-puzzle/discuss
BenjaminUrquhart: imagine making artwork
this post made by the guy who converted a font to png files to use because I'm dumb
eulerscheZahl: there was another one...
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/training/expert/breach/discuss
eulerscheZahl: and one more :thinking:
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/training/medium/find-the-winning-strategy
aCat: they are created as "solo game" ?
BenjaminUrquhart: yes
aCat: actually I wanted to ask this question a few days ago
aCat: ;]
aCat: ok
eulerscheZahl: almost forgot my own contribution now :D
https://www.codingame.com/training/expert/space-maze
aCat: I will do something, definitely
Nerchio: how do you go about writing one of these?
aCat: when I finally remember how to show that damn graphics
struct: Nerchio you need to use codingame SDK
eulerscheZahl: takes a while, start with the documentation: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/25775/codingame-sdk-documentation/introduction
aCat: bleh, takes some blood
BenjaminUrquhart: pro tip: don't keep creating sprites cause the viewer will crash if you do
struct: once you get used to it, it gets easier
eulerscheZahl: as you know java but not the SDK, plan 1 weekend to get something simple like tic tac toe working
eulerscheZahl: when you are into it, you can do it in 1 afternoon
eulerscheZahl: BenjaminUrquhart exactly, was there too :D
aCat: oph my, I still remember the pain optimizing number of sprites in LOCM
struct: After I understood it I made very simple Connect 4 in 1:30 hours
eulerscheZahl: the SDK got a lot better here aCat
eulerscheZahl: vindinium used around 1.5GB RAM for a single match on a large map
eulerscheZahl: now it's around 100MB i think
aCat: I don't remember connect 4 as multi game?
struct: not to mention that it used to crash every timne
struct: I never released it aCat
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/ide/demo/8292209ca950fe69e9ab715bad4fb1d99a7d8c
aCat: why?
struct: Its stuck as a demo
struct: Connect 4 is solved
aCat: I really think all the classic stuff like, checkers, breakthrough etc should be here
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/46281f7f235246e27d00f9d9db645461a4db
you can still download the code
eulerscheZahl: checkers and breakthrough are!
dbdr: why not change SIZE = 4 to SIZE = 5?
BenjaminUrquhart: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/breakthrough
aCat: I know - that's why I'm mentioning them
BenjaminUrquhart: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/checkers
aCat: It's great they are
BenjaminUrquhart: oh lol
eulerscheZahl: connect 5?
jacek: oh
struct: Could also be connect N
aCat: I know you guys think in categories solved/not
dbdr: yeah
aCat: but these are great tasks for students
dbdr: slightly larger so it's not solved
eulerscheZahl: more prone to ties i suppose
eulerscheZahl: i don't know of course
aCat: and not ass complicated as normal multi
aCat: *as
aCat: lol
dbdr: https://xkcd.com/37/
struct: Maybe there should be one more cattegory
struct: Like Training multiplayers
struct: or practice*
eulerscheZahl: take connect4, add a default bot and turn it into a puzzle. beat the boss on some initial states, tie on others
BenjaminUrquhart: that's called wood league /s
dbdr: ultimate connect 4
struct: Turn limits :(
jacek: or connect4, but connect3 is losing
eulerscheZahl: on a hex board
dbdr: each piece is a conect 4 game
BenjaminUrquhart: every circle is a connect 4 game
AntiSquid: normal ass multi
dbdr: or mix games for more fun
dbdr: ttt in connect 4, and connect 4 in ttt
aCat: that's another issue that I suppose when there are anough players in the game more leagues should be opened
AntiSquid: connect 4 with rotation
BenjaminUrquhart: leagues in breakthrough when
dbdr: connect 4 with velocity and friction and collisions
AntiSquid: ultimate ocean of code for more fun
BenjaminUrquhart: bumper car c4
eulerscheZahl: sadly community multiplayers aren't that popular anyways. you don't really need leagues
dbdr: some are
jacek: but brakthrough has over 145
aCat: yeh i know
aCat: that's sad :(
eulerscheZahl: vindinium with 268 is the most popular i think
AntiSquid: ya
aCat: If I will push students for some games I can double the playerbase :D
aCat: for the less popular ones
AntiSquid: but vindinium was popular before CG
struct: Paper soccer
aCat: checkers also lol
jacek: :3
eulerscheZahl: yes and the first community multiplayer
aCat: I lake this current game
eulerscheZahl: now there are so many that it's hard to be seen
aCat: *like
AntiSquid: the old way of splitting CG original and community stuff was better imo
eulerscheZahl: which current game?
AntiSquid: why hide the origin @_@
dbdr: I just started to look at Tulips and Daisies
struct: Im still thinking if I should port Code Vs Reborn or not
eulerscheZahl: you don't even need a total split. maybe split at first but with a chance for some worthy contributions to promote to the official area
eulerscheZahl: like that forest fire that's in a similar quality as official puzzles
AntiSquid: struct the answer is yes
AntiSquid: but only if we can have pokeman characters
eulerscheZahl: isn't that the STC variant?
AntiSquid: otherwise it deserves a downvote
eulerscheZahl: i would say "yes" if there wasn't STC already
struct: Yes, the one where it needs to add to 10
AntiSquid: port code samurai :D
eulerscheZahl: https://samuraicoding.info/index.html
struct: val won
struct: nice
AntiSquid: even better port Fighting game Ai:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzbr79l_Om8&feature=emb_logo
AntiSquid: http://www.ice.ci.ritsumei.ac.jp/~ftgaic/ website if you need the sourcecode
aCat: actuall
aCat: maybe not port direct
aCat: but I suppose something in this still will be cool contest game
aCat: and definitely doable
tobk: I just noticed that i CotC the actions for the individual ships of the silver boss are shown in the viewer, but only for the boss and no other player. how does it do that?
AntiSquid: msg ?
eulerscheZahl: print a message
eulerscheZahl: check the output of the boss in the console
tobk: oh, right, you can append any message to the action
tobk: does not say so in the statement, though
FIFA: .
eulerscheZahl: mean statemetn
tobk: works perfectly, thanks
AntiSquid: oh samurai ai code runs every year
AntiSquid: and it looks much better than battlecode
eulerscheZahl: but has a long running time, i prefer short contests :scream:
AntiSquid: how long is it ? didn't check
eulerscheZahl: it also has prizes, about 400 euro for the winner
idkhow2codee: week?
eulerscheZahl: 2 months testing, 2 months contest it seems
BenjaminUrquhart: ew
eulerscheZahl: RAIC extreme
dbdr: oh :(
https://xkcd.com/2293/
AntiSquid: so kinda like halite
aCat: that's beautiful
eulerscheZahl: yeah, that's why we have a conway multi pending now :(
dbdr: nice idea
jacek: battle of game of life?
eulerscheZahl: yes
AntiSquid: wow interesting https://xkcd.com/2296/
dbdr: I don't have the knowledge to understand that one
aCat: ok, I gave second approval on https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/497385b5a52bd71c954079fb45667ba73b8e
dbdr: laughed at 2295 :D
dbdr: need to read https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2296:_Sourdough_Starter
AntiSquid: well a starter is just flour and water and yeast, you could have yeast added or leave it out so yeast that circulates through the air gets in
aCat: c'mon you can filter contributions on puzzles/clash not a multi, bleh
dbdr: how likely / fast is that?
eulerscheZahl: because the filter is older than the SDK
aCat: haha :D
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/ide/demo/8266462d136bc0f9f853dd517ef1cf8f2e3cc6
another cool contribution
AntiSquid: well gathering "wild" yeast can be slow
eulerscheZahl: but he wanted an optim and it's a puzzle :(
eulerscheZahl: so it seems he lost interest
AntiSquid: can't even download :p
eulerscheZahl: correct
aCat: yeah I had similar idea once
aCat: It was partially coded
eulerscheZahl: and now aCat joined a clash and left us
aCat: Ididn't ;p
eulerscheZahl: main page said something else
aCat: I have something so ugly I have no idea how to make it
aCat: how you have notification that i entered the clas?
eulerscheZahl: upload faster, screenshot tool...
eulerscheZahl: there's some nonsense going on on the homepage
eulerscheZahl: showing you the next clash and who's in
aCat: but that dind'm mean I'm here talking with you :P
eulerscheZahl: but a clash is about speed
i'm sure you lost now
aCat: 1) it's about size
jacek: i think im gonna invite someone to clash
struct: not always
aCat: 2) noone did anything
aCat: 3) ot's damn nicola mathematical stuff
eulerscheZahl: you did that yesterday already jacek
AntiSquid: it's about having a solution DB ready
aCat: i have no idea how to solve it
jacek: eulerscheZahl and you declined :(
eulerscheZahl: i ignored
aCat: 4) actually i'm not clashing but douing achievement hunting lol ;p
aCat: 434 to go ;p
eulerscheZahl: :D
aCat: or sth like that
AntiSquid: i got top 100 in clash just by instantly quitting for the achievement
aCat: fasetest 0% is still best 0% !
eulerscheZahl: fastest to reach 0%
eulerscheZahl: and aCat was faster than me
AntiSquid: and probably shortest 0% too ?
aCat: damn
aCat: and I forgot i'm doing shortest:D:D
aCat: I have the fastest 0% 273 chars
aCat: ^^'
struct: 500 clashes for achievement
struct: danb
struct: damn
AntiSquid: work on your multi aCat, don't you care about the community?
Nerchio: omg
Nerchio: i was debugging my bot looking at the enemy for the past 1 0minutes
aCat: ok, ok, i will do something
aCat: got my promise
aCat: some day
aCat: :D
struct: port Starcraft Nerchi o
AntiSquid: autochess / mortal combat / volleyball
struct: also cs go since it was leaked
AntiSquid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZVqLbSZ5gE
eulerscheZahl: blobby volley
AntiSquid: just port dead or alive beach volleyball ezpz
eulerscheZahl: why is there always so annoying music in sports summaries on youtube?
AntiSquid: it's to emphasize on the suspence
eulerscheZahl: we have sports commentators for that
AntiSquid: ya i like when they stutter and say something like "uh ah ... ogh <unintelligible>"
dbdr: https://i.snipboard.io/3HSWKl.jpg
Nerchio: hehe i started meeting darkhose64 and leonjean in silver
dbdr: a rather predictable lb
eulerscheZahl: there are more familiar players waiting for you to be unlocked
Nerchio: i will not stop until i am destroying your bot :D
dbdr: famous last wods
dbdr: *words
eulerscheZahl: i should work on my upgrade behaviour, it's broken
AntiSquid: obviously D is not in release mode or you'd get rekt hard dbdr
JBM: lol
dbdr: obviously
dbdr: it's all about perf at this point
muy31: i have a question about mars lander...
muy31: does the units seconds correspond to actual time or turns
muy31: like 1 turn = 1 second,
muy31: or i need to use system time?
Nerchio: so many people who got legend in ooc are in silver ghost in the cell :p
Nerchio: they didnt like that?
Zenoscave: It was difficult to leave silver
struct: They are completely different games too
Nerchio: i know i find ghost in a cell much harder so far..
Nerchio: 2d grid feels very natural to me
Nerchio: and this not so much
Nerchio: zenos you are gold+ in ghost in a cell?
Zenoscave: anyone do simu in legend ?
Zenoscave: and yes nerchio
Nerchio: i like the new leaderboard
Nerchio: i mean i dont see much change but its ok ;p
MSmits: ghost in the cell is not exactly harder
MSmits: you just need a different skillset
MSmits: people are good at different things
MSmits: Zenoscave illedan has a GA I think
MSmits: for GITC
MSmits: also everyone has a simulation in some way, but not everyone has a search
MSmits: people confuse sim and search. Sim is just simulating what is going to happen if you do "X". Pretty sure even the heuristics bots have some form of that. Search is making it systematic, more complete and more calculation intensive
Nerchio: someone said that ghost in a cell has too many possibilities to do a real GA i think
Nerchio: not sure
Nerchio: you played it msmits?
MSmits: yeah, i just have a heuristic bot that wasnt particularly good
MSmits: but got to gold with it
MSmits: this was a long time ago thoguh
MSmits: when i was on cg for maybe a month or two
Nerchio: I wasn't sure if i like ghost in the cell but right now i kind of enjoy it
Nerchio: i hope i will like pacman too
icecream17: ooh. just took a look at ghost in the cell - looks awesome
AntiSquid: watch the anime, it's even better
MSmits: weeb
AntiSquid: ghost in the shell stand alone complex
Nerchio: anime :nerd:
AntiSquid: i mean if you can't enjoy a story because of the format, then you have issues imo, you raise barriers you shouldn't have to deal with
AntiSquid: there's the live action movie but it's nowhere as good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4VmJcZR0Yg
Nerchio: cant enjoy something i didnt see :upside_down:
icecream17: js question: How do I refer to the "me" in the "total" function:
icecream17: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1a44eb46-610b-4c8e-828a-a604298854ec
CodinBotChatRelay: _creepersbane#2074:
players.me ?
CodinBotChatRelay: _creepersbane#2074:
oh my gosh this thing still works
AntiSquid: you mean this? https://www.w3schools.com/js/js_this.asp icecream17
BenjaminUrquhart: https://tio.run/##rVHNCsIwDL73KXLsQLedN3wS8VBrKpWuKW0VRPbsdYWhzhVPfpBD/r58SS7iJoL02sWtpROmZDCCM@KOPsAOHgxmDNh9eBlKyEheY@hgf9gsUkeKhWikKEwH6mpl1GR59UWYkcf7yXbQ9qvkKqDIA88tGkhNEuuXphJ3RtPwgTyCnJatVhUjK3vjexFy7l@HaEv8lsj@PjVb6ht7JskGMlgbOvP5d/WAVUpP
BenjaminUrquhart: you can indeed do players.me
BenjaminUrquhart: also that's one thicc link
BenjaminUrquhart: console.log(players.me) // { factories: [], bots: [], total: [Function: total] }
AntiSquid: right inner should be able to know about outer
cegprakash: icecream17 did u promote me overnight
icecream17: You were still at 2 last time I checked. But then in the morning you were gone from the leaderboard mysteriously.
cegprakash: haha
cegprakash: definitely Crog
cegprakash: if not you
cegprakash: he is #3 now
cegprakash: he is also improving
cegprakash: almost there
AntiSquid: maybe someone already promoted to gold ?
cegprakash: AntiSquid I may not go to legend
cegprakash: but I'll definitely rekt you
AntiSquid: that's what life is all about is it?
cegprakash: yes
cegprakash: u blame it on the life then
cegprakash: after I rekt u
AntiSquid: the galaxy is astounded
AntiSquid: lol i don't care about your life
AntiSquid: beating a bugged bot isn't something to brag about
cegprakash: I like gold and legend leagues beccause I don't have to read problem statements anymore
AntiSquid: do you ever read them?
cegprakash: just the 3 lines
cegprakash: about the change
cegprakash: not full statement
cegprakash: usually when I promote I just play a game with boss
cegprakash: and assume what the new skill is doing
cegprakash: and start coding
AntiSquid: did i hurt your feelings really really badly?
cegprakash: not now
cegprakash: not yet
cegprakash: you are the one angry on me
cegprakash: i love u
cegprakash: i love wrecking u
AntiSquid: gay
icecream17: There should be a "find obscure bugs" contest. Or "send obscure bugs". Whoever's bug is the hardest to figure out wins....
cegprakash: what about the dev who makes bugs that are hard to figure
cegprakash: do they get a prize? if so I'm up
cegprakash: whatever I write is very hard to debug definitely
cegprakash: I'm just implementing a damage map AntiSquid
cegprakash: after that I plan to add self trackking
cegprakash: once I add these I rekt you
AntiSquid: dude you sounds mildly retarded
cegprakash: why
cegprakash: what's the use of all the coding without bragging
AntiSquid: first of all i don't care
AntiSquid: stop pinging me
cegprakash: lolz
cegprakash: okay
cegprakash: I go ez on u
AntiSquid: do what you want, reach legend if you can
icecream17: How do you change your settings again (like fontsize of ide code)
icecream17: Oh yeah! Promote to wood2 (ghost in the cell)
cegprakash: why not continue OOC icecream17
cegprakash: u are so close to promote
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/454343697
cegprakash: turn 43 u have bug
cegprakash: it's better to go into the choke point instead of using SURFACE
icecream17: Oops.. an Error Occured
cegprakash: I send screenshot where u bug
icecream17: Also, "available" only contains spaces with... hey wait a minute!
icecream17: I could add another array of spaces that are deadends...
cegprakash: https://ibb.co/ctSQhWc
cegprakash: next turn u use SURFACE and charge TORPEDO
cegprakash: but better move is going south
cegprakash: and ur firing accuracy seem to be bad as well
cegprakash: these two fixes should take u gold
PeaceMoreZ: Isn't the 'smallest code' clash slightly unfair?
theroot99: hello, how can i know how is start first in the last challeng?
cegprakash: you choose it
cegprakash: upto you
cegprakash: you can print any position in the board and u spawn there theroot99
cegprakash: I think this was done so that game is not symmetrical as well as fair for both players
theroot99: i think randomly ?
cegprakash: random is good enough
cegprakash: until Bronze
cegprakash: where u need to add 1 extra condition
cegprakash: for now just don't spawn on an island or u die instantly
barberk2206: Where can I go on this website to learn Java?
MSmits: this website assumes you know java, or at least the basics. You go here to practice coding, not learn a language
barberk2206: Oh okay thanks
MSmits: np, and gn :)
barberk2206: gn :)
ZarthaxX: 1 less CG user
ZarthaxX: gj MSmits :)
icecream17: wait... what? *dun dun*
icecream17: I pushed someone above the boss in ghost in the cell wood2
icecream17: 2nd place? Sigh
MadKnight: hey hey icecream17
icecream17: hi
MadKnight: show your replay
MadKnight: are u still in wood2 ?
icecream17: yes
icecream17: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/454354400
icecream17: not a very good replay...
icecream17: codingame.com/share-replay/454353837
MadKnight: which one is your new code ?
icecream17: both
MadKnight: why do they play so differently ?
icecream17: Not really. Just attack when numBots - otherNumBots > 40
icecream17: They always send 7 somehow
icecream17: When get factory owned by "noone" just send a third of NumBots
icecream17: Oops, a third is for attacking. I menat a seventh.
MadKnight: > numBots - otherNumBots > 40
nonono u need to learn to protect your factories first so that enemy can't take them over then attack with all your free troops
icecream17: send all troops but protect.... okay
MadKnight: all free* troops
MadKnight: free troops are those that are not used to repel current attacks
MadKnight: for example if u got 10 troops coming towards your factory then u gotta make sure your factory has 10 troops by the time they come
MadKnight: if u got more than 10 then use all of them
MadKnight: except for the 10
MadKnight: also account for troops in nearest enemy factories
icecream17: Oh. I'll just subtract the total, but divide by 1.1 only.
MadKnight: what is that magic numbe
MadKnight: r
MadKnight: is that like 3vel in CSB ?
icecream17: I divide by 3 (originally) so that I don't send all of my troops.
icecream17: What is 3vel?
MadKnight: magic formula that gets u to gold
MadKnight: ezpz gold
MostComplicatedUsername: Na
MostComplicatedUsername: Well yeah
stacked: 3vel?
MostComplicatedUsername: But it's not the best
MadKnight: MostComplicatedMagicFormul
MadKnight: a
MadKnight: stacked are u interested ?
MostComplicatedUsername: You should change it depending on location
icecream17: oooh. But I never made it to gold before so....
stacked: yea, but im really a noob
MadKnight: gogogo gold
MadKnight: u can do -3vel stacked
MadKnight: u too icecream17
stacked: whats that mean?
icecream17: idk
stacked: idek what that is
MadKnight: subtract 3 velocities from checkpoint
stacked: ohhh
icecream17: huh? velocities?
MadKnight: it's like speed but a vector
MadKnight: directional speed
icecream17: Oh. My bronze csb code doesn't calculate that yet.
icecream17: Only in middle school math so I don't understnad
MadKnight: it's easy just divide distance by time but in 2d
MadKnight: 2d distance by time
MadKnight: distance vector
MadKnight: movement vector
icecream17: I know distance, but how direction?
icecream17: Oh.
MostComplicatedUsername: what you do it
MostComplicatedUsername: is*
stacked: it's like an x and y lol
icecream17: My CSB code is just a couple ifs. That's it.
MostComplicatedUsername: print (f'{targetx - 3 * velX} {targety - 3 * velY} {throttle}')
MostComplicatedUsername: THats what you do ^
stacked: this man out here giving code
stacked: lol
icecream17: X - prevX = velX
icecream17: Python is better than js at code golf. JS uses console.log() instead of print
MadKnight: Automaton2000 ban MostComplicatedUsername
Automaton2000: have to go to the top
icecream17: Automaton2000 I didn't know you were in A* Craft!
Automaton2000: are you doing atm marchete?
icecream17: Huh? Atm marchete?
MostComplicatedUsername: atm = at the moment
MostComplicatedUsername: (or) automatic teller machine
MadKnight: or AuToMaton
MadKnight: icecream17 are u doing the -3vel now ?
icecream17: no still on ghost in the cell
MadKnight: try -3vel
MadKnight: real quick
MostComplicatedUsername: Automaton2000 ban MadKnight
Automaton2000: so you have to do in the first place?
MostComplicatedUsername: No you have to do it Automaton2000
Automaton2000: my rank is going to be like this
icecream17: auTOMATOn2000 how do you type so fast
Automaton2000: do you like it so far
MadKnight: are u a tomato Automaton2000 ?
Automaton2000: what happens in the same order
icecream17: 3 * vel is harder than it seems...
icecream17: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/454356942 done!
icecream17: Seems like I should worry much less about going too fast
icecream17: Submit. Original placing: 14450
icecream17: Progress: 16% But first place =O
icecream17: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cegprakash: wow
cegprakash: what did u fix
cegprakash: OOC?
cegprakash: oh CSB
cegprakash: u seem to do all at once
icecream17: CSB, MadKnight said to do target - 3 * velocity
cegprakash: yes
cegprakash: he invented that magic formula
cegprakash: that takes to gold
cegprakash: 1 liner
icecream17: Oh. Well, I have 5 codingame tabs. But also a few more tabs of other stuff, like 20 or something
icecream17: (Responded to previous comment)
icecream17: I can't believe.... I hope I discover something like that during pacman
icecream17: I pushed someone above the boss too. This one liner is soooo awesome
icecream17: Oof. Person I pushed didn't get promoted. The ratings are 24.81, 17.71, 17.71, 17.68
icecream17: Yay! It finished! What!? Promotion in 49 minutes!?
MadKnight: a lot of people came up with the same formula during contest cegprakash
icecream17: gn everyone. wonder whos awake at this time.
emigr2k1: It's 9:40 pm in Mexico/NA
cpchenpi: helloeveryone
