Neon_Tuts: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/118825589a3dbe86b6b0f65ef980a5e16f28eb1
Zenoscave: Neon_Tuts please don't post clash invites in chat
Zenoscave: people will join if they please
Neon_Tuts: Ok
Neon_Tuts: Sorry
Zenoscave: no worries
Neon_Tuts: :)
Famout: It's silly, being drafted into silver makes me feel the need to actually improve my bot in Ocean.
eulerscheZahl: Zenoscave still trying, you are close :o
Zenoscave: Not close enough
eulerscheZahl: oh, boss at 30
Zenoscave: ~1.5 below
eulerscheZahl: 1.39
Zenoscave: right
eulerscheZahl: and my polar bear is even lower
Zenoscave: yeah
Zenoscave: he was doing good for a whil
Zenoscave: while
ZarthaxX: i was below boss once lol
ZarthaxX: ppl started to smash me
ZarthaxX: :c
Zenoscave: lol nice work
eulerscheZahl: you are below the boss all the time
ZarthaxX: i meant like
ZarthaxX: second
ZarthaxX: funny shark
Zenoscave: second below boss so third?
ZarthaxX: ??????????????????
ZarthaxX: 2nd in gold
ZarthaxX: sheez
Zenoscave: are you YoB
eulerscheZahl: if you pass the 2nd on the ladder, what's your rank then?
ZarthaxX: tob?
ZarthaxX: yob?
ZarthaxX: wat
Zenoscave: yob o
ZarthaxX: oh guys just stop
ZarthaxX: im dying here
eulerscheZahl: so warm?
ZarthaxX: :/
ZarthaxX: the f
Zenoscave: because polar bear
eulerscheZahl: oh, it's getting winter for you soon
Zenoscave: think I'll get bumped this far away?
eulerscheZahl: possible
eulerscheZahl: if you don't notably improve, just wait
Zenoscave: gah I will wait then
eulerscheZahl: i know it's hard to wait and do nothing
ZarthaxX: u wont get it
eulerscheZahl: you have to believe
Zenoscave: probably not. I am forever gold
ZarthaxX: i was below and got down 9 positions
ZarthaxX: this shit is actually impossible
ZarthaxX: it's already f cold here eulerscheZahl
ZarthaxX: :C
ZarthaxX: corona is gonna be happy with that
ZarthaxX: btw Zenoscave
ZarthaxX: same code that once reached 2nd , ended like 40
ZarthaxX: soooooo :)
Zenoscave: Just gonna break my dreams huh
ZarthaxX: ye
ZarthaxX: i want you to suffer
ZarthaxX: like i am
ZarthaxX: well u have been suffering more
ZarthaxX: so im sorry
Zenoscave: Thanks
ZarthaxX: this game is savage
ZarthaxX: :(
eulerscheZahl: let's just wait for pacman
Riyuk: don't hate the game, hate the players :D
ZarthaxX: i hate u
ZarthaxX: :c
ZarthaxX: kidding
ZarthaxX: love u
ZarthaxX: im sorry corona is getting me
eulerscheZahl: you were like this before
Riyuk: :apple:
Zenoscave: you were always this way
Zenoscave: beat me euler
eulerscheZahl: not in terms of eloquence
Neon_Tuts: Hello world whats going n?
Neon_Tuts: *on
eulerscheZahl: a contest
Neon_Tuts: :)
eulerscheZahl: time to move into my office
PC 1 off, PC 2 on...
see you
Zenoscave: ttyl
Zenoscave: new submit ZarthaxX?
ZarthaxX: yeah
ZarthaxX: had 14 wins in arow at start
ZarthaxX: was fun
ZarthaxX: andd back down
Famout: Feels weird to bring out recursion, don't use it nearly enough in normal coding.
Zenoscave: I see
ZarthaxX: this is impossible
ZarthaxX: :c
Zenoscave: you're gonna bump me right zarhtie?
Riyuk: Doesn't look so :open_mouth:
ZarthaxX: mhm
ZarthaxX: i will try to get to top
ZarthaxX: funny thing is when i got top before i beated boss 4 time
ZarthaxX: out of 5
ZarthaxX: :/
Zenoscave: my best was 8/16
ZarthaxX: that's cool
Zenoscave: this was 2/6
ZarthaxX: dont u feel its kind of random
ZarthaxX: like nokidding
ZarthaxX: i know that if u have a good bot u prob win
ZarthaxX: but
ZarthaxX: having a submit reach like 5
ZarthaxX: and then 40
ZarthaxX: is weird
Zenoscave: the deviation is pretty high
ZarthaxX: yeah the trueskill fails in this one
Zenoscave: I think you're in range to possibly face me
Zenoscave: bump incomming please!
ZarthaxX: i killed boss once
ZarthaxX: maybe helps
ZarthaxX: and lost
ZarthaxX: :c
ZarthaxX: im sorry
ZarthaxX: gave u one
ZarthaxX: :)
Zenoscave: you lost to me too ;)
ZarthaxX: and fed the other dude
ZarthaxX: sheez
ZarthaxX: the top is so rough
ZarthaxX: i fed the boss
ZarthaxX: want a resubmit?
Zenoscave: up to you my friend
ZarthaxX: i will change some tiny things
ZarthaxX: mhm
Zenoscave: you may feed boss more. but i'm going to bed now. hopefully i wake up in legend
Zenoscave: gn
Zenoscave: was 1.39 below. now 1.38
ZarthaxX: aight
ZarthaxX: gn zeno
ZarthaxX: hope u get it once and for all
ZarthaxX: :D
Zenoscave: thx :+1:
manc: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1188294de619ccdc934fa72d0ffb0b8cd15138c
AntiSquid: zeno again at #2
AntiSquid: that must feel annoying
dbdr: size(legend) == 42
dbdr: definitely closed now ;)
AntiSquid: zeno will promote
AntiSquid: and there will be more
thibpat: :wave: we're live for more Ocean of Code progress https://twitch.tv/thibpat
AntiSquid: go get legend thibpat
AntiSquid: :D
dbdr: not on stream ;)
AntiSquid: yes on stream, good luck thibpat
dbdr: that would be chaotic
lhm: I thought streaming gold+ code was forbidden? Anyways, good luck for legend thibpat !
AntiSquid: he doesn't read my comment and i am cheering for him :(
dbdr: it is lhm
AntiSquid: lhm he is not far from top 50 in gold
dbdr: not sure if it's a formal rule, but defnitely expected not to do it
AntiSquid: no formal rule
dbdr: culture also matters
struct: how many hours did he stream? 24+?
lhm: AntiSquid yes I know he is not that far from Legend, i'm actually really cheering for him ;)
AntiSquid: well personally i wouldn't stream past bronze, silver max
AntiSquid: but now it's top 100 gold already
AntiSquid: since the "damage" is done, i rather see him go top 10 legend :P
dbdr: I guess if it's really long, it would be unlikely that many people would watch everything ad copy the whole code *correctly*
AntiSquid: you don't need to copy, looks like weird spaghetti code
AntiSquid: you can improve your own bot based on it
dbdr: I think that might be fine
dbdr: takes a lot of time to watch, you don't know in advance if it will be worth it
lhm: Yes, just take the ideas behind his code and do a beter version of it in C++ :3
AntiSquid: maybe i should fix my threshholds based on his
dbdr: if he's not taking the 50ms, using C++ will give you nothing
lhm: dbdr Well you know it is worth now and you can still watch the entire run cant you?
struct: 17 hours
dbdr: true. if there is enough time left ;)
lhm: It might if I try to improve it
AntiSquid: go at 1.5 speed
AntiSquid: or maybe 2x ? he doesn't change too much too fast
dbdr: write software to capture the screen and extract the source code ;)
AntiSquid: don't need to write
AntiSquid: just print screen and OCR it
dbdr: that's only one page
dbdr: software needs to glue it together
AntiSquid: uhm, lol waste of time
dbdr: sure :)
lhm: fun project tho
AntiSquid: i don't know his strategy but going through the video is probably better you know what he is doing
AntiSquid: which might save you time and just improve based what he does succesfully
dbdr: sure, but often everything is connected
dbdr: best values of constants will depend on details of your code behaviour
AntiSquid: do you want a bot same strength as his or better?
dbdr: I don't need to answer that ;)
AntiSquid: it was a rhetoric question and addressed at nobody in particular
dbdr: I know :)
struct: Ok Im gonna stream
struct: Legend or delet
AntiSquid: oh he has an interesting charge sequence, that looks useful :p
AntiSquid: mine isn't "fine-tuned"
dbdr: silencing before torpedo?
struct: Are there situations where its better?
struct: Besides kill
AntiSquid: annoy opponent with timeouts?
dbdr: I do that, but I did not optimize
struct: you wont timeout with silence torpedo
struct: maybe if the enemy uses D
AntiSquid: gold boss not random anymore?
AntiSquid: still random for me :/
AntiSquid: 50% to win on specific seed
Riyuk: Going to gold finally :smile:
Riyuk: Where is AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: dbdr was in a contest at the beginning of the contest
dbdr: thanks for the ping AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: what do you mean by "don't understand the problem?"
pb4: hey
pb4: anybody has a seed with lakes in it ?
pb4: ideally 3 to test stuff
pb4: struct I'm sure you have that in store :D
IjustKilledutoo: hello, how is everybody
Uljahn: pb4: seed=9051324 seed=-1425933
pb4: thanks !
pb4: Uljahn : my lake detector is officially better than me xD
pb4: I counted 3 lakes on your first seed
pb4: lake detector told me there are 4
pb4: double checked and found the small one in the center :D
Uljahn: :)
kovi: any reason to use lakes? other than starting in biggest one?
pb4: starting in the biggest one
pb4: don't have that yet
Illedan: Assume the opponent is in your lake.. Else you can't kill him anyway
Illedan: And find him faster
pb4: oh didn't think about this one :)
MichaelPu: nice
MichaelPu: though aren't lakes rare enough to be negligable?
pb4: are there many "lake seeds" by the way ?
Illedan: Not many with lakes of this size afaik
JanisSerzants: What's incorrect here
MOVE E MINE | SONAR 1
??
wlesavo: probably smth else
tobk: Is there a way to enter a game seed in the online IDE? I remember something like "game options" next to the opponent selection, but can't find it now.
wlesavo: tobk settings mode expert
JanisSerzants: TOBK you can sync with IDE press settgins and Use an external code editor
tobk: right, thanks!
Neon_Tuts: Hello Everyone :wave:
dbdr: Illedan: not stricly true, the blast can reach another lake through a corner :)
Famout: JanisSerzants guessing you mean that as two separate inputs and not just one?
Famout: Oh, I see what you meant, sorry, misread.
AntiSquid: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Nerchio: sup antisquid
Nerchio: work or bot
NormantasStankevicius: I love silence spam
**Famout is guilty of it
NormantasStankevicius: my predictions jump from 80 to 14000
NormantasStankevicius: and code brakes down
Famout: I also don't use any of my guns soooo
Famout: Getting drafted into Silver via a pacifist run felt like cheating so actually learning to read my foes inputs now.
NormantasStankevicius: I just woke up
Famout: Can't wake up
NormantasStankevicius: and instantly started to work on code
NormantasStankevicius: I am addicted
OncePromise: :grin:
**Famout is annoyed by parsing strings
anid: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
SpaceCastle: Game use attack annoying strings parsing.
It's very effective.
RavenKZP: *Wake me up inside*
OncePromise: The purpose of a program is to find the number closest to 0 from a set of numbers. If no number is input, output 0. How to write the code of output 0 without any number input
OncePromise: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/69d40961-62fa-43a0-a003-a5134f95ef74
tobk: if n == 0 .... else ... ?
OncePromise: This is the source code. Please modify and add new code on it
OncePromise: I've run it. It doesn't seem to work
tobk: sure it does, depends on what you put in the ... though
Riyuk: wow almost 60 places gain, just by changing a little thing
aCat: yay, no more timeouts :D
AWice: zzzzzzzzz clash code
Riyuk: New submit Illedan :D
JanisSerzants: I guess torpedos are stronger than mines
NormantasStankevicius: yeah, kinda
aCat: not exacty
NormantasStankevicius: it really depends tho
aCat: torpedos are problematic cause you reveal your position
NormantasStankevicius: yeah
NormantasStankevicius: that is why it's kinda
aCat: so be careful with them ;-)
NormantasStankevicius: if you torpedo, you have to have a getaway path (Silence)
NormantasStankevicius: is the best idea
JanisSerzants: how can a bloody bot predict where I am?
NormantasStankevicius: math
JanisSerzants: after 10 moves you can tell I am 6 2, don't think so
NormantasStankevicius: your spawn
JanisSerzants: so maybe starting top left is bad idea
Nerchio: maybe someone is cheating :O
NormantasStankevicius: :O
NormantasStankevicius: Scripting?
NormantasStankevicius: is someone scripting in my game? ohhh my gosh!
NormantasStankevicius: starting top left is not that good
NormantasStankevicius: if you move to the other corner
NormantasStankevicius: like top left to bot left
NormantasStankevicius: or top left to top right
NormantasStankevicius: what league are you Janis?
JanisSerzants: Javascript
NormantasStankevicius: league
NormantasStankevicius: not language
NormantasStankevicius: silver, wood?
JanisSerzants: phh 😀 Bronze
NormantasStankevicius: bronze?
NormantasStankevicius: ok, I am in silver
NormantasStankevicius: try to move in a circullar path
NormantasStankevicius: less locations
NormantasStankevicius: that the bot can track you
NormantasStankevicius: You can get to silver with just clever pathing
NormantasStankevicius: not out of silver tho, I am stuck
Nerchio: forever silver :cry:
NormantasStankevicius: yeah
NormantasStankevicius: I didn't want to implement silence counter
NormantasStankevicius: but I had to
NormantasStankevicius: so I worked till 2am and did it
NormantasStankevicius: now optimizing and reworking some of my code
Nerchio: nerd
NormantasStankevicius: hey, u gold
NormantasStankevicius: ;<
Nerchio: i sat a couple of times until 3 am np
NormantasStankevicius: uptop man
NormantasStankevicius: bad sleep schedules is the new norm...
gaha: how do you counter silence?
gaha: i mean, what is silence counter for you
Famout: Pathing alone got me to silver, was very silly.
NormantasStankevicius: yeah
NormantasStankevicius: when I look back, it was basically the same
Famout: Hopefully tell you once I know myself Gaha!
Famout: Hoping to touch gold once I get guns online.
NormantasStankevicius: somewhat same
NormantasStankevicius: my pathing
NormantasStankevicius: due to that
NormantasStankevicius: I had to rework a lot of my code
Famout: First things first, and honestly most importantly, gotta track my foe.
Famout: I was lucky? My pathing, once it "worked" was suboptimal, and I wanted to tighten it down... but was solid enough to reach silver so leaving it alone for now!
NormantasStankevicius: I did optimize my path
NormantasStankevicius: but not much difference
Famout: It's a real hackjob of A* pathfinding, only to find the longest path, and it's weights isn't even good at that.
NormantasStankevicius: I feel like notmany people in bronze added proper location prediction
Famout: I already fear Silence, I think I know how to work around it, but still vastly complicates things.
Famout: I got rough sudo code layout done, but since it involves some light recursion it's gonna be fun to make proper.
Famout: I also missed the fact more then one command can be given a round, so parsing for many commands is the current task.
NormantasStankevicius: yeah, I had a simillar thing
NormantasStankevicius: that was holding me back in wood
NormantasStankevicius: fixed that
NormantasStankevicius: I climbed
NormantasStankevicius: 600spots
Famout: Thankfully I didn't even touch it and my boat just floated on it's own all this way.
Famout: I did something right... and/or bribed people at codingame somehow.
NormantasStankevicius: I think it's the ladder ;)... it's so annoying to implement silence counter (but kinda must),
NormantasStankevicius: now I have to rewrite a good portion of my code
Famout: I'm going in the deep end, and hoping gold doesn't add anything extra since Silver didn't
NormantasStankevicius: it shouldn't
NormantasStankevicius: as much as I know, only wood adds new stuff
Nerchio: if u have mines u have everything
NormantasStankevicius: most of the time
Famout: I could have sworn some of the other things added stuff all the way past gold?
Famout: I still need to fix my pod racer....
Famout: Still, nice to know I don't need to keep things too flexible.
NormantasStankevicius: no there are some games/bot programming that add up to legend I think
NormantasStankevicius: but I am not that experienced in CGs, tho my classmates are
Famout: Yea, that's right, I got a broken pod racer at legend rank.
Famout: Huh, ego boost there, looks like 97k submissions for CSB, and I'm at 805... broken bot, but still, yay me.
Dav1dS: https://www.twitch.tv/saintplaysthings
tobk: what's all this about pathing? I just do a quick floodfill to see which moves lead to deadends, which is far from optimal, and still in most games I never have to surface
AntiSquid: so what do you do vs mines?
Famout: At the moment? Die....
AntiSquid: tobk
tobk: not too much. have basic mine tracking, but just try to avoid those cells
mark7: Hello
AntiSquid: 1 boss win :o
Famout: Woo!
Famout: Wood 1 is also pretty easy, just having a working boat moves you along plenty.
NormantasStankevicius: When you are about to leave silver
NormantasStankevicius: watching your placements is like you are watching horseracing with a bet on it
NormantasStankevicius: You are invested
Famout: I mean, ATM I am invested in getting this parser to work correctly so I can track every move.
C0deLoGgEr: join my clash !! https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1188762a59a181a24bc18db614f551258fdc1b5
Famout: Time for sleep, got most parsing working, able to take someone using every command on a turn and still save it.
ZarthaxX: zenoscave sorry
Nerchio: what did u do :D
NormantasStankevicius: Silver 33/540
NormantasStankevicius: I can taste gold
ZarthaxX: not helping him get legend yesterday
ZarthaxX: now it's impossible
Nerchio: why its impossible?
ZarthaxX: top getting super annoying
AntiSquid: NormantasStankevicius that means nothing
Famout: It means progress.
NormantasStankevicius: ^
Riyuk: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
NormantasStankevicius: same :(
Hyslach653: hi i need help with the power of thor game. Anyone here has solved it using JS?
Crypticsy: Hey can someone help me figure out how the wire T-P become S-O in the puzzle " Enigma - 3 rotors without plugboard"?
Crypticsy: Hyslach653 sure
Ustorix: haha i am also doing power of thor in c
Hyslach653: i'm stuck on lvl 3
Hyslach653: how can i share my code with you?
Crypticsy: do you mean easy angles?
Hyslach653: yess that one
Crypticsy: https://pastebin.com/
Crypticsy: here
Crypticsy: you can create a paste and send it
Hyslach653: On my way!!
Crypticsy: or message me, which ever is convenient to you
Hyslach653: thank you so much! im pasting it
Hyslach653: https://pastebin.com/9g7HYyHD
Nerchio: damn i hate and love staring at a code for 2 hours just to see there was a typo in the end
Hyslach653: i'm trying to get it right but i have been 2 days trying to get it right, beginner here :)
eulerscheZahl: you don't need a direction variable when you have directionX and directionY (which you print in the end)
Hyslach653: yeah i was just trying things
Hyslach653: clearly that doesn't work
ZarthaxX: hi zen
ZarthaxX: zenoscave
Crypticsy: Hey can someone help me figure out how the wire T-P become S-O in the puzzle " Enigma - 3 rotors without plugboard"?
Crypticsy: XD i am still waiting for someone to look it up
ZarthaxX: neverdone it srry
AntiSquid: ZarthaxX getting close
ZarthaxX: meh
ZarthaxX: not gonna make it
ZarthaxX: this game just makes u sad
AntiSquid: when did you start playing it?
ZarthaxX: 2 daysafter it started
AntiSquid: ya it's annoying
ZarthaxX: left for a week ,from gold to legend
ZarthaxX: didnt do much each day as its too much time
ZarthaxX: it sucks your life out lol
AntiSquid: yes
ZarthaxX: also, this doesnt make sense for me
ZarthaxX: went to sleeep 8
ZarthaxX: now im 2nd
AntiSquid: some promoted
ZarthaxX: who?
ZarthaxX: i didnt see any
AntiSquid: idk
AntiSquid: are you sure?
ZarthaxX: of ppl promoting?
AntiSquid: look ZarthaxX :o
ZarthaxX: i remember a 42
ZarthaxX: yeah i saw
ZarthaxX: still dont give a f lol
eulerscheZahl: 42 in legend, wa like that 12h ago too
ZarthaxX: right so no new
AntiSquid: hm then people changed their bots
AntiSquid: "fixing" bugs
ZarthaxX: argentina friendo was last legend i think
AntiSquid: your sensei
eulerscheZahl: beating you again
ZarthaxX: yeah my sensei
ZarthaxX: eulerscheZahl u remember last contest
ZarthaxX: dont u know him? lol
ZarthaxX: u cant compare
AntiSquid: i didn't like the last one either :/
ZarthaxX: oh p´rtomoted
ZarthaxX: nice
AntiSquid: lol
AntiSquid: told you
ZarthaxX: mehwas luck
AntiSquid: skill
Illedan: Lucky skill?
AntiSquid: patience skill
AntiSquid: wait for push at the right time
ZarthaxX: or maybe dont have any strong ideas to even dare to submit
ZarthaxX: thanks zenoscave <3
AntiSquid: now that the fat bear is out of the way you can promote too Zenoscave
AntiSquid: ZarthaxX here's a parting gift:
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/450704852
Skril: gg ZarthaxX :-)
ZarthaxX: thanks :)
ZarthaxX: AntiSquid wtf :P
wlesavo: lol nice
RavenKZP: can I TRIGGER multiple torpedoes at once?
wlesavo: no
RavenKZP: sad
Illedan: You can trigger mines, not torpedos. And you can only do 1 of each command every round
AntiSquid: you can also trigger people
RavenKZP: yh yes i mean mines not torpedos :P
RavenKZP: AntiSquid I know how to trigger multiple people at once
AntiSquid: you get time out if you trigger more than one at a time
Nerchio: coming to the top boys maybe i will push someone
Nerchio: xD
AntiSquid: Just do it! Don't let your dreams be dreams
Nerchio: zenos owning me
ZarthaxX: lol
ZarthaxX: push zeno
ZarthaxX: he needs a rest
Nerchio: he is #4 so probably not
ZarthaxX: and boss?
Nerchio: didnt have games vs boss yet
ZarthaxX: what score
Nerchio: i made my bot a little more consistent so my submits should be better nowe we will see
Nerchio: this one didnt quite work
Nerchio: i don't win games vs boulet
Nerchio: ever
Boulet: :D
Boulet: ty
Boulet: helps me so much Nerchio
Nerchio: ocaml
Nerchio: wtf
Boulet: java let me laugh
Nerchio: boost nr2 incoming
Crypticsy: XD has anyone done or read "Enigma - 3 rotors without plugboard"?
Nerchio: 54/72 matches won not bad ;o
tobk: why are you always doing "silence 0"? I mean I understand that (a) some bots might not even be aware that that's possible (but probably not in gold anymore) and (b) it takes away the risk of silencing full-speed into some bad situation
tobk: but if you _always_ do silence 0, isn't that kind of predictable?
Nerchio: me?
tobk: no, zarthax and antisquid in their replay, but heard it from others, too
wlesavo: tobk thats easier, i punish for silence 0, because even in gold its quite common
wlesavo: in legend i mean
tobk: sure, every once in a while, my bot silence-3s into a dead-end, but if all the top-bots do silence 0, it kind of gives away their posiiton like not silencing at all...
wlesavo: you can silence into mine field, thats much worse
tobk: hm, maybe I should just try it, let's see where it takes me from gold-80, but it feels kind of dumb...
wlesavo: you can sometimes do other lengths
wlesavo: in early game preferably
tobk: what I do: get my "preferred" direction for a regular move, then silence a random amount (including 0) in that direction.
ZarthaxX: and trap yourself :c
tobk: yes, sometimes :-P
Nerchio: thats why predicting state of the map after the silence is important
tobk: but again, if you ALWAYS do silence 0, and so many others, too, then maybe I should just ignore the opponent's silence and see where that gets me :-P
tobk: (or maybe just put a higher weight/probability on that position; currently I'm just having a set of possible positions, but no probabilities)
tomatoes: i rand 0 1 in preferred direction
Nerchio: my submits so far look like
ZarthaxX: try tobk
ZarthaxX: spam submit
Nerchio: get unlucky first few matches then crawl through the middle of the gold to end around top10 xd
tobk: I will, but not now. technically stil at work :-)
Nerchio: i just beat you tobk u can watch that
Nerchio: xD
YannT: 128 matches vs. kovi today
YannT: man there isn't enough bandwith on the internet for your pushing :)
Illedan: haha
Nerchio: btw matches are not being played unless someone pushes or?
Illedan: Correct
ZarthaxX: matches generateon submits
kovi: yeah, cg servers are doing better today
yesterday i gave up after 2-3 submits
Nerchio: kk i will keep spamming submits then
ZarthaxX: u are gonna get a captcha
Nerchio: just need to get lucky in 60% of the games
tobk: Nerchio Hm, your bots beats mine pretty consistently, 5 out of 5. But I'm still 8 ranks ahead :-P
[CG]Thibaud: :fear:
YannT: kovi: I'm pretty sure you're a big factor in wether the servers are doing well :p
Nerchio: tobk i am top15 gold but i keep spamming submits
Nerchio: hoping one will get through
kovi: yannt, seriously it was the other way around :)
tobk: oh, you did just resubmit. didn't see that in the opponent selection
Nerchio: yeah
tobk: good luck then. off to more work for now.
Nerchio: i won 35 out of 38 last matches
Nerchio: idk this game you can work on your bot a lot but in the end some luck is required
Nerchio: top3 guys are really close to the boss
Nerchio: i will push someone at some point for sure xD
Boulet: Nerchio: u see you can win against me :D
Nerchio: 1 game sick.
Nerchio: idk breaking through without having 70% win ratio against top guys seems really tough
blasterpoard: I wonder why top gold meta is much more silence-heavy than legend meta
NormantasStankevicius: uhmmm, what is a quick formula to calculate sector from my cordinates?
MadKnight: /3 ?
blasterpoard: int sector() const {
return 1 + (y / 5) * 3 + x / 5;
}
NormantasStankevicius: thanks
NormantasStankevicius: I was having issues for some reason
blasterpoard: make sure to use integer division
NormantasStankevicius: I was
NormantasStankevicius: I had a very similar formula
NormantasStankevicius: maybe the same
Nerchio: i hate that i am losing to lechuck in submits and have more than 50% in practice games ;p
NormantasStankevicius: but idk
NormantasStankevicius: I had issues
MadKnight: how many practice games did u play Nerchio ?
blasterpoard: if less than 1000, it's not a good sample size
MadKnight: especially if just 5
Nerchio: ofc not 5 xd
MadKnight: how many ?
Nerchio: 6
MadKnight: ez
MadKnight: u need 7
Nerchio: the games at the top go way too slow need to submit :D
kovi: results are different with everyone resubmit
Riyuk: definitely, changes the league's result everytime
IsraelGever: any1 knows how to resize the Console output window? im getting crazy
gaha: in CG ide? you can only Expand it
gaha: afaik
NormantasStankevicius: 2.2score diff between Silver boss and 2nd place
NormantasStankevicius: yikes
Nerchio: i will have nightmares about lechuck
blasterpoard: he's just protecting you from the hell that is legend
Nerchio: i would be glad with my bot rotting in legend
Illedan: Yeah, I would like to go back down
AntiSquid: at least you won't end up under a ventilator
idkhow2codee: hi, if I use torpedo command after move than can I target cells in range 5 from init pos in the same direction ?
AntiSquid: no
AntiSquid: wait
AntiSquid: you worded it weird
idkhow2codee: xd
AntiSquid: range 4 from wherever you are at the moment you fire
AntiSquid: simple as that
Nerchio: if you silence and move you can hit a target 10sqm away for 1hp
YannT: has siman gone into hiding? :D
idkhow2codee: I mean if I move E and fire in the same turn then can I fire my_pos _x + 5 ?
AntiSquid: oh right last weekend, there should be more bots coming out of hiding
eulerscheZahl: nah, only on monday
Scarfield: actually 11 squares away, since the blast goes both up/down and sides
idkhow2codee: oh nvm so I can move only after torpedo
AntiSquid: what
Scarfield: actions can be done in every order you want to
idkhow2codee: oh k maybe smth wrong with code xd
AntiSquid: fix it
idkhow2codee: I will thanks
JanisSerzants: if you try to shoot above the island, you get kill instantly?
Scarfield: yes, you can only target water cells
JanisSerzants: i mean you target water, but between me and my target (water) has island
gaha: read the instructions about how torpedo distance is calculated
gaha: it's actually "traveling-like" distance
gaha: anyway, out of range torpedo does not kill you
JanisSerzants: imagine i'm on 1 1, i want to shoow to 1 3, but 1 2 is island, will this be game over?
gaha: No
gaha: As I said
gaha: You will even hit the target, since the distance is 4
idkhow2codee: so there is some path finding algorithm involved in using torpedo
ZarthaxX: yeah
ZarthaxX: bfs depth 4 is enough for that
idkhow2codee: but what what if I would be in closed group of cells e.g 1x3 I've been once in such board
idkhow2codee: but that's very rare
idkhow2codee: and if ur bot sucks like mine
Scarfield: have you read about floodfill? its an algorithm for that kind of thing
Scarfield: the bucket tool in Paint uses it for instance
ZarthaxX: lol
ZarthaxX: great example scarfo
cohr: codeforces >>
eulerscheZahl: codejam
eulerscheZahl: in 3 days
cohr: kick start in 2 days
eulerscheZahl: meh
Scarfield: noo, the qualification is already over :'(
ZarthaxX: lol
NormantasStankevicius: hmmmm, how to spam silence less?
ZarthaxX: spam it only when in danger of getting hit?
NormantasStankevicius: well
NormantasStankevicius: I run the same predictions for myself
NormantasStankevicius: as enemy
ZarthaxX: and?
struct: grats on legend ZarthaxX
NormantasStankevicius: I tried using silence
NormantasStankevicius: when my predictions reach a certain point
NormantasStankevicius: like 30predictions where I could be
NormantasStankevicius: I guess I'll need to do a lot more code
ZarthaxX: thanks struct/tob
ZarthaxX: tobo
Nerchio: damn gold is so funny
ZarthaxX: zenoscave pushed me hard
ZarthaxX: :P
Nerchio: people ending in top10 then in top 50
ZarthaxX: its not funny at all
Nerchio: right now i see borisZ who was at the top very often then i saw him at top40 now submitting top 5
ZarthaxX: lol
YannT: I swear one day I'mma look at cg and kovi will not be currently pushing and I'll get worried about him
JFB: :-)
blasterpoard: I have trouble deciding which version is best because the rating depends mostly on whether kovi is submitting or not
JFB: Maybe he has bot for pushing :-)
YannT: for the last week your ranking has pretty much been your winrate vs. kovi :p
eulerscheZahl: is that how i got back to top20 now?
blasterpoard: 26% 9 / 25 / 0
blasterpoard: without kovi, I'm in top5
YannT: 41 / 51 / 1
YannT: it's going down though because he put me at my 500 matches limit
YannT: in reality I probably player him >200 times
kovi: my rank depends on everyone else pushing (except jolindien who still owns me hard)
YannT: I don't even know how you can possibly estimate how good anything is by chain pushing like this
YannT: you realize the 150 matches of a push is not a good indicator right? :p
eulerscheZahl: oh, a new multiplayer game. when did that happen?
kovi: yannt, that is why i push so many, avg. of 3 :)
eulerscheZahl: and submit spamming affects the ranking of others. and thus your rank on the next submit, as it depends on the score of other players
YannT: why don't you use cgbench with fixed agentIds that would be a more valuable indicator :p
JFB: Maybe kovi do not look on the rank - but calculate winrate with other playsers - each one separatelly
YannT: a run of 150 matches, on this game, has a 10-20% variance with fixed agentIds, on ladder with other people pushing etc probably more
YannT: actually if I get a 10-20% variance on a run with fixed top5 agentIds on cgbench, it's probably worse on ladder
YannT: basically doesn't tell you anything
eulerscheZahl: but playing 150 games by submit is faster than with CG-benchmark
AntiSquid: another multi wow
eulerscheZahl: yeah, with huge branching
AntiSquid: someone make a plants vs zombies multi while we are at it
eulerscheZahl: no idea how we shall keep track and play all of them
eulerscheZahl: 6 multis on my TODO now (counting coders of the realm as 1)
YannT: it's faster but (at least on this game) not extremelmy relevant
YannT: "letting it sit" is a better metric by far
YannT: unless kovi's having day, because then that too is not very precise :p
dbdr: we need to create an alternative leaderboard
dbdr: that's insensitive to submit spam :)
dbdr: and to match order
dbdr: I think someone even did that for a past contest
dbdr: when the result of the rerun was debatable
YannT: you could basically do the entire run with random people in the league, and only at the end of all matches update everyone's scores accordingly
YannT: but it would be less gamey :)
eulerscheZahl: bad mode with a less rock paper scissors game
eulerscheZahl: i remember each vs each at RAIC, a lot of matches in codeball were useless because you could tell the winner before
dbdr: you could take the matches that CG decided to run, and find the ranking that best predicts the results taken together, regardless of order
reCurse: The leaderboard is too unstable for that to work
reCurse: Too many submissions per player, which one is relevant
dbdr: you do that for the last submission
dbdr: each submission has its own value
dbdr: since it's different code
reCurse: The value is always relative
dbdr: sure
reCurse: If tons of people are submitting all the time, you lose any hope at good references
kovi: yes
AntiSquid: imagine a multi where you basically need to optimize a leaderboard :o
dbdr: and imagine the leaderboard of that multi
reCurse: The only "real" solution is continuous games and we know that won't happen
AntiSquid: 2k frustrated players?
dbdr: reCurse: that does not fix everything if match order matters
reCurse: It does not fix everything but takes you much closer to reality
AntiSquid: indeed
reCurse: You control the entire scheduling
reCurse: Instead of users whim
dbdr: not more matches for new submits?
YannT: new submits could start at current score
reCurse: No, you need to maintain enough weight between close players that don't submit
vlad_rdv: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/c6ee4395-9bd5-4501-9069-4c1691f501b3
reCurse: You could think of an optimization where you remember and reuse the winrate past X matchups for old submissions
reCurse: But if you don't maintain relations between everyone close the leaderboard becomes fucked up
reCurse: Like every leaderboard at CG
reCurse: Exhibit A: Top 4 at CSB
reCurse: Resetting sigma and not mu would also do wonders to get more juice out of submits
reCurse: But anyway wasting time on stuff that's never happening
dbdr: you can implement it yourself ;)
reCurse: Sure, give me access to their repo
dbdr: you can schedule your own matches
dbdr: no need to
dbdr: you have the agentIds
reCurse: Then I'll need 20 alt accounts to have decent speed
dbdr: ah, true
reCurse: Hope CG doesn't kill me
dbdr: :D
dbdr: crowdsource it
reCurse: Like I'd trust anyone here
dbdr: no need to trust
reCurse: To not mess with the results :p
dbdr: they send the gameIds
reCurse: Ah, clever
reCurse: brb
dbdr: you need to tell them the seed too
AntiSquid: guess who's back
eulerscheZahl: i can run the same game multiple times until i'm happy with the result
dbdr: hence the seed, but true it's not enough with stochstic bots
Nerchio: whats the oldest multi you can still play?
dbdr: when if you need to respond withing 30 seconds
dbdr: cannot run it more than once
dbdr: you could not respond if you don't like the result
AntiSquid: Nerchio Tron
dbdr: but then the master could decide you are not reliable and stop using you
AntiSquid: Nerchio you can see old contest games here:
https://www.codingame.com/contests/finished
Nerchio: can't play them?
AntiSquid: you can
AntiSquid: they are in the multi section now
icecream17: I've discovered something weird...
icecream17: on turn 14 the space '14 14' disappears
icecream17: always on turn 14
eulerscheZahl: can you elaborate on that?
wlesavo: number magic
icecream17: the bottom right corner disappears in turn "14" (frame 31 or so) every time
eulerscheZahl: display bug?
icecream17: In an array called "available"
icecream17: No, my code
eulerscheZahl: bot bug
AntiSquid: lol
AntiSquid: make it happen at specific time of the day too
Marcose: Has anyone used tornadofx with kotlin?
Nerchio: let's goooooo
Nerchio: making chaos in gold again
AntiSquid: vandalize the boss Nerchio
Nerchio: bot PLS
Nerchio: U CAN DO IT
Nerchio: just some luck vs lechuck
AntiSquid: you getting rekt by the boss though
AntiSquid: maybe you should just leave the bot on #2 after this
Nerchio: i cursed myself
Nerchio: again
ZarthaxX: swag promoted
AntiSquid: lol
AntiSquid: but he's feeding the boss
Nerchio: comeback?.
Nerchio: nope
AntiSquid: yobo has most fitting avatar for #2
Nerchio: xd
Nerchio: 1 point is quite a lot
Nerchio: do i keep submitting
AntiSquid: no
ZarthaxX: 1 point?
AntiSquid: boss beats yu up too often
ZarthaxX: i was like 3 below yesterday
ZarthaxX: and i got pushed
ZarthaxX: lol
AntiSquid: you only roll for lower rank
AntiSquid: ya just do a ZarthaxX
ZarthaxX: what squid is kind of tru tho if u feed boss
ZarthaxX: its never ending
AntiSquid: hibernate until legend
ZarthaxX: and top ppl will hate u
ZarthaxX: ye just do that
Nerchio: i feel like they should do
Nerchio: eventual auto-game vs boss for top10 people
Nerchio: or something
Nerchio: like once in a while 1 game vs boss
Nerchio: instead you need to wait for people submitting
ZarthaxX: the spam is big anyway
ZarthaxX: u gotta see last day submits
ZarthaxX: :)
AntiSquid: ya and the server lag
Nerchio: 4 wins in a row vs submitting tomatoes
Nerchio: feels good
Nerchio: ok i guess i will leave my bot be for now, might resubmit later if needed
Zenoscave: zarthaxx...
Zenoscave: you dirty toe-eyed cabbage.
AntiSquid: make passata out of him Nerchio
Astrobytes: pml, insult of the year Zeno
Zenoscave: pml?
Astrobytes: pissing myself laughing
Zenoscave: ah
AntiSquid: piss my life
Zenoscave: he beat me to legend
Zenoscave: :/
Astrobytes: Yeah I saw lol
Zenoscave: I'm missing something
AntiSquid: while doing nothing Zenoscave
Scarfield: you got him with a head pew
AntiSquid: he wasn't doing anything !
Zenoscave: Will a legend player show me a match that would be a good hint
Nerchio: you can watch legend games
ZarthaxX: mhm
ZarthaxX: Zenoscave
ZarthaxX: thanks
AntiSquid: the god damn clapping gets irritating
Zenoscave: There's so many. Just wondering if there's a good strat im missing
ZarthaxX: wat
ZarthaxX: hi Zenoscave
ZarthaxX: im so sorry
ZarthaxX: :C
Zenoscave: hi Zenoscave
ZarthaxX: lol
idkhow2codee: can I silence through islands?
Zenoscave: I am Z<tab>
Nerchio: no
struct: no
ZarthaxX: lmao
ZarthaxX: still love me right?
Zenoscave: yeah
ZarthaxX: literally beated u almost every game ,lucky push
ZarthaxX: oh well
AntiSquid: well rekt
cegprakash: anyone want to team up with me?
cegprakash: for sprint challenge
cegprakash: spring challenge
cegprakash: C++
struct: Is it even allowed?
cegprakash: it's not a team event?
cegprakash: I read somewhere it's team event
AntiSquid: even if you were the best player in the world i still wouldn't want to team up with you ceg, nothing personal though
Nerchio: wow thats rude :(
eulerscheZahl: that sounds very personal
AntiSquid: no, assertive
eulerscheZahl: Zenoscave 09:01PM
I am Z<tab>
test: ZarthaxX
Scarfield: "But i said no offense"
Zenoscave: It depends on when you enter chat euler
eulerscheZahl: i know
ZarthaxX: lol AntiSquid savage
eulerscheZahl: yeah, ban!
AntiSquid: was a polite no
struct: polite?
AntiSquid: wordy ?
eulerscheZahl: you love ceg as much as i love a now inactive user
struct: :thinking:
ZarthaxX: i forgot his name
ZarthaxX: indian boi
struct: aniruhp?
ZarthaxX: that one
struct: or something like that
AntiSquid: cybercamlemonade?
ZarthaxX: LOL
cegprakash: is someone trolling an Indian?
cegprakash: I'm here for the rescue
AntiSquid: no, because he might just be a migrant
Astrobytes: cegprakash where have you been?
cegprakash: my email says "
For the Spring Challenge, we have assigned you by default to your company, else to your school. If you don't have any team yet, you can still join one. Here's mine:"
cegprakash: so I thought it's a team event
struct: Thats spring challenge
struct: not OOC
eulerscheZahl: "I agree that it’s difficult to reach the top rankings of the solo leaderboard, but in a team, there’s everything to play for. "
AntiSquid: check the leaderboard for the current contest cegprakash
eulerscheZahl: thanks for reminding my that my colleagues don't want to play, Thibaud
AntiSquid: doing more "work" outside work
ZarthaxX: same with uni friendos
struct: euler you can team with some people from CG I guess
eulerscheZahl: for this? https://www.codingame.com/contests/ocean-of-code/top-companies/global
FrankR: eulerscheZahl: we wouldn't mind you on our team.. and we're hiring :)
cegprakash: oh only 37 universities took part in OOC
cegprakash: is it possible for a 1 man team?
eulerscheZahl: in Ulm, um Ulm und um Ulm herum
struct: no euler I mean for Spring challenge
cegprakash: I'll submit a dummy bot in OOC
FrankR: München oder Meersburg ginge auch ;-)
eulerscheZahl: what are you working on? projects? technology stack?
FrankR: consultancy.. so it depends on the client projects a lot
eulerscheZahl: found your website
FrankR: oh gosh.. we haven't hidden it enough.. I'll let our marketing know, thanks
struct: 2.3 points diff
cegprakash: if I start OOC today how far can I go
struct: rank 1
eulerscheZahl: :rofl:
AntiSquid: you are your own limit
ZarthaxX: rank1 wood
ZarthaxX: lmao
FrankR: eulerscheZahl: also tech stacks vary widely.. from bare metal embedded C projects all the way up to the cloud
Astrobytes: Why did you not start already ceg, that's why I asked where have you been?
AntiSquid: away from the pain and suffering, Astrobytes
Astrobytes: lol AntiSquid
AntiSquid: he was hiding coz contest too hurd
Astrobytes: lol, no ceg, and no Madeleine either
AntiSquid: madao would have played if the subs had velocity, not his fault
Astrobytes: hahaha
Nerchio: 0.43 pts behind boss xd
struct: Nerchio just wait
struct: someone will push you
Astrobytes: ^^
Nerchio: no i will submit now!
ZarthaxX: no u wont lmao
AntiSquid: bad idea Nerchio, better wait for 0.01 diff
Astrobytes: For your sake I hope that was a joke Nerchio :D
Nerchio: its all zenos fault btw
Nerchio: he beat me 8 times in that submit
Neumann: Nerchio, are you the famous SC2 player ?
eulerscheZahl: once i resubmitted with 0.01 below the gold boss, took me days to promote
Nerchio: Neumann i might have played some sc2 ;d
Neumann: Is that a yes ? Arthur ?
Astrobytes: Oh shit, *that* Nerchio?
AntiSquid: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Nerchio
Nerchio: damn i got discovered
Neumann: I don't believe you
eulerscheZahl: why do you ask then?
struct: ^
ZarthaxX: lol
Nerchio: my bot beats yours isn't that enough of a proof
Neumann: Irrelevant
ZarthaxX: weird answer
struct: go 1vs1 starcraft
eulerscheZahl: wikipedia tells me that Nerchio has a twitch account. do you want him to stream CG as a proof?
ZarthaxX: tomatoes promoting him?
tomatoes: a bit
Nerchio: i am 1-1 in his submit
AntiSquid: struct, on blizz game chat it would be : "1on1 noob?"
struct: sorry havent played
Astrobytes: *1v1 noob
AntiSquid: any argument ends up with someone asking that
idkhow2codee: show us ur polish language skills xd
Nerchio: czesc
idkhow2codee: xd
idkhow2codee: k I belief u
Neumann: Are you still sponsored by Redbull ?
Nerchio: no
Neumann: Then why you still got Redbull assets on your twitter account
Neumann: Liar
RavenKZP: żółć - it's polish :D
AntiSquid: i've been to Torun
AntiSquid: nice city
Nerchio: its just a picture ;p
Nerchio: tomatoes good submit xD
tomatoes: boss 30 again :no_mouth:
Nerchio: well just gotta wait
AntiSquid: well fed
Nerchio: trictrac smashing into top5
Nerchio: took my points
AntiSquid: a true friend gives points
AntiSquid: thanks for the points
Nerchio: time to resubmit
tobk: how often did you submit so far, in total?
Nerchio: i have 250 submits over a week or something
Nerchio: 215 submits
Zenoscave: 1,273...
struct: wtf
tomatoes: 112
tobk: 39 :-D
Nerchio: zenos i see you coming with a submit at 30% and then u stop :D
Zenoscave: I lose too many low rank to pass
Nerchio: i had same
Nerchio: but last few submits were pretty consistent in getting to top15 at least
tobk: including 2 to test only silence 0-1 and only silence 0, did not really make a difference in rank for me
AntiSquid: top 50 isn't low rank you snob
Nerchio: xD
Zenoscave: but top 200 is
Zenoscave: ...
Nerchio: but yea good start in a submit bumps you quickly to the top
Zenoscave: I'm not discrediting anyone's code. I just know I can't pass legend if I fail too many beginning matches
SaadEdynn: khoti rah w7lna wlah ma3rfna ki ndiro liha
Zenoscave: that's nice
KobeL: https://www.twitch.tv/saintplaysthings
Astrobytes: KobeL you should announce what you are streaming, and there is a 'Streaming' channel on the discord, or you can post in the forum
KobeL: Sure thing! Will do from now on
Astrobytes: :)
AntiSquid: ah clash
AntiSquid: or something like:
WARNING: it's clash of code
KobeL: Currently doing some clashed indeed, might work on my stream setup or some puzzles later
Astrobytes: KobeL, remember to post what you are streaming (clash,puzzles, contest) in the discord channel or you'll lose viewers
KobeL: Edited
Nerchio: zenos bombing top10 over and over again :D
Zenoscave: Yeah :/
Nerchio: its what i did for most of the day before
Nerchio: will do it tomorrow as well if i fall down
Zenoscave: really dense top 10
Nerchio: im afraid its only going to get worse as time goes by
NormantasStankevicius: ^ same
AntiSquid: it usually does Nerchio
Amrhossam: does this help really getting a job ?
Illedan: To some degree
Amrhossam: but it's all about algorithms
Amrhossam: companies care about building stuff not memorizing algorithms
Illedan: Hence to some degree
Amrhossam: i'm a mechanical engineer after all
NormantasStankevicius: Employers enjoy enthusiasm
NormantasStankevicius: If you participate in these kind of events, codejams work on your own on some passion stuff
NormantasStankevicius: it will sho
NormantasStankevicius: w
NormantasStankevicius: to employers that you are passionate about what you are doing, and hence it means you might work better
NormantasStankevicius: because you might look like a hard worker with a desire, not a worker who is living for a living
-words of a Unity and ex-amazon hiring specialist, I talked at Unity offices in my town
Nerchio: zenos are u feeding the boss
Zenoscave: 2/3 losses
Zenoscave: only 1 win
Nerchio: my bot loses to you 65% of the games i think
Nerchio: go legend so i can rest in peace
Zenoscave: I'm trying
Illedan: Very close now zeno
Zenoscave: this is my best bot so far for sure
Zenoscave: But i feed boss too much
Nerchio: you won 7 games in a row vs me :P
Zenoscave: 72 wins 25 losses 4 ties
AntiSquid: lies, he wants to be the gatekeeper to legend
Nerchio: bot 30.5 :(
Zenoscave: I had 1/5 against boss....
Zenoscave: err 1/6
Nerchio: you are second so i guess camp time? :P
Zenoscave: not until I figure out why i lose terribly to boss
wlesavo: because it is so good? :slight_smile:
Zenoscave: true
AntiSquid: what's the secret to your shenanigans wlesavo?
Astrobytes: They'd no longer be shenanigans if he told ye squiddy
MSmits: hi guys
Astrobytes: Oh hey man, you good?
MSmits: been away for a bit, busy with work on uttt. But now I am back to try and get a respectable rank before end of contest. Hopefully legend (?)
darkhorse64: no sleep til legend ?
MSmits: work and uttt i was gonna say
Astrobytes: How did UTTT go?
darkhorse64: play onitama. I am waiting for you. Or push me to legen
MSmits: rank 1 again
darkhorse64: d
Astrobytes: gg
MSmits: darkhorse64 will do onitama between the two contests
MSmits: but i'm taking it easy
wlesavo: MSmits nice
Illedan: Welcome back
MSmits: thanks :)
MSmits: i coded some mine avoidance today
cegprakash: in OOC is Silence = Jump?
cegprakash: I'm on wood1
MSmits: it's working, but it's no miracle cure
Illedan: This game sure as hell has no silver bullet
Illedan: Who makes stuff like this :(
MSmits: it really doesn't. I'm guessing it's lots of little tweaks and such
icecream17: silence = move N * 4
Astrobytes: cegprakash it's moving between 0 - 4 cells without telling your opponent where you moved
MSmits: I kinda thought it was gonna be like that. I do like the game, but I don't like to spend 4 weeks on trial and error
Illedan: Yeah, I did chill some during it
Illedan: Regretting now
Illedan: :P
Illedan: Too much I wanna do
Illedan: and then work I need to do too
wlesavo: AntiSquid in fact only the stuff that i considered necessary, in a sence that i thought everybody would do that at some point, but i guess there are couple of shenanigans as well
MSmits: I think i coded 5 days total or something
Astrobytes: At least it goes straight to multi after
MSmits: It's hard to not get drawn away by these majestic board games :)
Illedan: New one today
MSmits: even uttt
MSmits: which?
Illedan: New multi
Astrobytes: Daisies and something
MSmits: sounds very masculine
MSmits: tulips and daisies
Astrobytes: Tulips and Daisies
Illedan: Pure bitboard optimization fun :P
MSmits: yet, you did it in C#
Astrobytes: Hey, "Tulips From Amsterdam" MSmits :P
MSmits: yeah i was gonna say, I'm dutch, automatic tulip expert
Illedan: Maybe I should try C++ :O
Zenoscave: I might rewrite my bot in C++ after contest
MSmits: I dont see you use that... have you coded c++ before?
Illedan: Nope :D
Illedan: Might as well try it some day
Zenoscave: It's a very different beast from C#
Astrobytes: I hope the momentum will keep going after contest
Illedan: or learn to code with unsafe :thinking:
MSmits: you'll learn it faster than I did. Just pick a multi for which you coded a small bot with not too much of the Linq magic and such and convert that to c++
MSmits: I recommend uttt or similar
MSmits: or do rust or something, be original
Zenoscave: I might try and make a LINQ++ header library
MSmits: I might have done a different language if i had to choose now
Zenoscave: SFINAE style and all
MSmits: c++ is nuts sometimes. Earlier I accidentally mistlaid a parentheses and it just compiled and ran... just not very well. It was like Setpath(x,y), z; instead of Setpath(x,y,z); c++ is nuts
Zenoscave: Ah yes compound statements
Zenoscave: those are the worst
MSmits: the annoying thing is that the Setpath function was overloaded
MSmits: so both ways were ok and apparently the ,z didn't bother it
Zenoscave: Oh man that is pretty unlucky
MSmits: yeah
Scarfield: shouldnt it fail because you call it with too many arguments?
MSmits: no it was overloaded
MSmits: both were ok
MSmits: I was calling the one with 2 arguments, but i meant to call the one with 3
MSmits: and all i did was misplace a parentheses
Scarfield: aah :/
MSmits: in any sane language that would give a syntax error and it costs you like 2 seconds
MSmits: The only thing i like about c++ is the speed.
MSmits: That's why I would maybe like to learn a different, more modern fast language
Scarfield: D++ will soon be available :p
Astrobytes: You could check for things like that but it would be more coding
MSmits: yeah I am sure a more competent coder would not spend too much time fixing my mistakes
Nerchio: i feel like all coders say that
Zenoscave: especially the really competent ones
Zenoscave: ;)
Zenoscave: MSmits you're what rank in uttt?
MSmits: :)
Astrobytes: 1
Astrobytes: and +1
MSmits: that's more raw talent and obsession :P
cegprakash: Astrobytes if I do Move N TORPEDO from 5,5 and I use silence where do I go?
Zenoscave: Ceg read the instructions
Scarfield: xD
Astrobytes: cegprakash it depends
cegprakash: oh I can specify that as well
cegprakash: sick
Astrobytes: Zenoscave classic ceg :D
Zenoscave: exactly
Scarfield: you still refuse to read the statements i see :D
Illedan: The contest is not to reverse engineer the rules -.-
Astrobytes: No contest is the same without ceg appearing and demanding to know the rules before reading the statement :D
cegprakash: Illedan I joined the party late.. but I did join
MSmits: I read the statement very well and I still somehow understood it to say that Surface teleports you across the map
Astrobytes: Welcome at last cegprakash!
Astrobytes: LOL forgot about your Tardis submarines MSmits
MSmits: I coded 600+ lines before I figured out it didn't teleport. I watch too few games
AntiSquid: still have a crappy mine tracker, maybe i should have focused on improving something else :/
Astrobytes: All good, I found a bug today that I do believe I have to do a rewrite for
MSmits: how do you track mines, if you dont mind sharing
AntiSquid: that's like the worst bit of the contest
MSmits: oh also, is it the tracking of the positions of the mines or the code to avoid them?
AntiSquid: mine per path? same as everyone else?
MSmits: but why is it crappy?
Illedan: that is 2 different problems MSmits
MSmits: yeah i know
AntiSquid: doesn't get me far
Illedan: tracking is the hard part
MSmits: mmh, depends... i had to think less for the tracking than for the avoidance
AntiSquid: you have a tracker too MSmits no?
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: only today coded the avoidance
MSmits: i had a tracker a week ago
AntiSquid: ya without tracker i get about rank 40 - 50, with tracker i get stuck at 70 - 80
MSmits: mmh but that is weird. How would mine tracking make you get a different rank
AntiSquid: so it's crap right?
MSmits: it's just more information
AntiSquid: because bot reacts differently
MSmits: are you sure it isnt the way you deal with the information thats wrong?
MSmits: not the tracking/.
AntiSquid: the tracking can't be 100% accurate either way
MSmits: depends on what you consider accurate. I track positions from where mines were laid. That is accurate. You just dont know where they put them
MSmits: left, right, up, down
Swagboy: Same MSmits, avoidance is more tricky as you need to anticipate opponent probability of triggering
MSmits: I dont even do that. I assume they can see me, currently
cegprakash: do I lose a life if I use SONAR when it's on cooldown?
Illedan: no
MSmits: not a life
MSmits: either it fails or you lose, not sure
Illedan: but self tracking makes you crash
MSmits: huh
Swagboy: it fails, you might lose your charge
Swagboy: But you don't lose I think, like wrong trigger/torpedo
MSmits: anyone else get confused by the orders. I keep reading MOVE E TORPEDO as the sub launching a torpedo
Illedan: MSmits, when you track yourself you look at your own prints, and if it failed. You can't know. As someone didn't add that as part of the input
cegprakash: oh I see my bot always picks my grid to use sonar
MSmits: Illedan I'm not sure what you mean by self tracking?
MSmits: do you mean using your own orders on your own tracking mechanism you also use for the oppponent?
tomatoes: yes. to know how much opponent knows
Scarfield: you know what you are going to output, so also what opponent will know
MSmits: ok makes sense, but why does Illedan says this makes you crash and what is lacking in the input?
Zenoscave: opponent view tracking is important. It makes you crash if you don't bound the possible size. timeouts
MSmits: ah... well isn't this just effectively doubling your calc time?
Illedan: If you track yourself and assume you do invalid commands, you are suddenly out of possible locations
Scarfield: incorrect output is not given as input, only performed actions comes as input
MSmits: ahhhh Illedan I get it now
MSmits: so don't do invalid commands :P
Zenoscave: I forgot about that
Illedan: Yeah, as past tense Illedan forgot about adding it as inputs :(
Astrobytes: Well, it is what it is
MSmits: I don't see the problem. If someone is that far into his bot that he makes a self tracker, why would he still be doing invalid commands?
Scarfield: that would just make people output stuff to mess with other bots i suppose
Illedan: There is this thing called bugs, you might have heard of it? :P
MSmits: yes, but that's their bugs, not yours :P
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/450980498
cegprakash: what's happening
cegprakash: I don't understand
cegprakash: why I don't get any sonar
Astrobytes: You lost ceg
Zenoscave: 5 Codinbucks says Ceg didn't read the rules
Scarfield: xD
icecream17: MOVE N SONAR
Illedan: You tried to torpedo something you could NOT
tomatoes: charge it first
Zenoscave: You ran out of lives
wlesavo: lol
Scarfield: MOAR SURFACE
wlesavo: nice sonar btw
Astrobytes: I wouldn't bet a single Codincent against that Zenoscave :D
wlesavo: well at least opponent got your sector, so it kinda like sonar
MSmits: well it works 50%
MSmits: right i was gonna say that
Illedan: cegprakash, I think your MinMax values having free space too much..
MSmits: at least someone can see him :)
cegprakash: I am printing extra endl
cegprakash: every turn
cegprakash: shit
Zenoscave: XD
MSmits: :poop:
Zenoscave: I hate when that happens
Astrobytes: Why does the jobby emoji look surprised?
Illedan: jobby?
Astrobytes: Woops, showing my Scottishness, the poop
MSmits: think he means mr turd
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/450981973
cegprakash: there is something wrong with sonar cooldown
cegprakash: I never get sonar cooldown
cegprakash: the charge is always 0
MSmits: you need to charge it...
MSmits: MOVE E SONAR
Zenoscave: on MOVE the last word is what you choose to charge
MSmits: moves you east and charges sonar
Scarfield: or read the statement, it would go faster, than stumbling on problems and asking chat ;)
Astrobytes: MOVE W READ_STATEMENT
cegprakash: I used to print MOVE E TORPEDO
cegprakash: instead of TORPEDO i now print SONAR?
MSmits: yes
Zenoscave: If you want to charge sonar yes
Zenoscave: resource allocation
Zenoscave: Astrobytes has the best one
cegprakash: I can't charge both?
Illedan: Someone actually used time to write the statement -.-
AntiSquid: i can't make my own rules?
Illedan: Sure
cegprakash: "charges a power of your choice. When you move, you must respect the following rules:"
cegprakash: oh
cegprakash: I'll respect
Astrobytes: cegprakash honestly mate you'd save a fuckload of time just by reading
icecream17: you can charge both.... just takes a few more turns....
Illedan: shh, let him read
MSmits: mostly our time though :P
cegprakash: oh no now what do I charge
Astrobytes: MSmits not wrong man :D
cegprakash: to get out off wood
AntiSquid: if you charge torpedo and silence you get super combo charge bonus and have a free trigger charge
Astrobytes: You're mobile ceg
Illedan: torpedo > silence > sonar
MSmits: our time would be better spent discussing the surprisedness of mr turd
Astrobytes: *Your
Astrobytes: I agree MSmits * Mr Jobby
Zenoscave: Jobby the hut
Astrobytes: t
Turch: Hey, I beat Boss 3 in Wood 1 League for Coders Strike Back, but I'm not advancing to the next league - am I missing something?
Astrobytes: And yeah, I like that
MSmits: Dr Dung
Zenoscave: There's a time wait Turch
Astrobytes: The wee beige jobby
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7idfce
Turch: Ah okay, good to know, thanks.
Zenoscave: I probably shouldn't open that link should I Astro
Astrobytes: Billy Connolly, good Scottish standup comedian Zeno
Zenoscave: Ok Will look
AntiSquid: AutomatonNN this better be an improvement T_T
AutomatonNN: can i just translate a strategy to create a contest to the contest so i can see the game for the con
AntiSquid: test
Scarfield: icles
AntiSquid: contesticles? :thinking
Turch: Am I wasting my time by trying to determine an absolute angle of my racer in Coders Strike Back?
Turch: This isn't something that I just get later on with an 'angle' parameter, right?
Scarfield: yes, you will get it later
Turch: Alright, maybe I should just wait. Here I was saving the last three x's and y's so I could determine my rough angle with arctan, lol.
Astrobytes: Did you watch it Zenoscave?
AntiSquid: watch it Zenoscave, Astrobytes will ask you questions later to make sure you watched it
Astrobytes: lol no Iwon't
Astrobytes: *I won't
Zenoscave: No i'm focusing on bot tuning
Zenoscave: Send it to me in PM and I'll look later
Astrobytes: Meh, fuck that, just google Scottish comedians and jobby
Zenoscave: ok :+1:
Nerchio: so many times i've fallen for
Nerchio: that north is lower y than south
Zenoscave: Are you doing that now?
Nerchio: no just every time i touch code for north/south i need to think about it
Nerchio: and many times i make a mistake
Zenoscave: I feel. thats why I abstract it into deltas and never use directions in client code
Zenoscave: So anytime i look at directions i do foreach (offset in Direrctions) { ... }
Nerchio: i changed my strategy a little bit now need some lucky commit to see if it works
Nerchio: in this submit i lost to a guy who shoots a random rocket on round 3 in an open map
Nerchio: ^.-
Zenoscave: good luck Nerchio!
AntiSquid: Zenoscave so close :D
AntiSquid: like many others before
Zenoscave: I can feel it this time...
Turch: So what's the general strategy for dealing with collision in Coders Strike Back?
AntiSquid: press back button and go play something else
Turch: lmao
Turch: Good point, I guess
AntiSquid: and if you don't believe me just look at the numbers
Nerchio: lol
AntiSquid: there's no way 90k people are still playing it
Turch: I really feel like the circumstances are bound too much by randomness to 'solve' it
AntiSquid: Turch no strategy, just math
AntiSquid: check distance between their middle point
Nerchio: zenos im coming to push you
Nerchio: maybe :p
AntiSquid: and compare to sum of radius
AntiSquid: done
Zenoscave: let's hope!
Turch: Short of programming your racer to take circles around the points.
AntiSquid: you need to to take much into consideration the shap
AntiSquid: shape
AntiSquid: just the distance between points
AntiSquid: but seriously, i rather play this contest than CSB
Turch: Yeah I'm measuring my dist to theirs.
Turch: Just not sure if I should be avoiding or ramming them
Turch: And often it depends on the circumstances of whom gets a headstart
AntiSquid: so if the sum of radius is too close to distance value then it's a collision
Turch: Right.
Nerchio: maybe i should turn off my silence 4 kills me a little too much
AntiSquid: usually anywy
Zenoscave: silence 4?
Nerchio: yeah
Turch: I can understand avoiding collision, but that doesn't help me win
Turch: lol
Turch: I can avoid collision the whole way, but that doesn't mean much if I can't get ahead
Nerchio: hulk smash
Zenoscave: on boss??
Nerchio: on everyone around top10
Zenoscave: Nice!
Nerchio: but i have only 20 matches left
Zenoscave: wait... I'm around top 10
AntiSquid: you sometimes need to collide Turch watch replays
Nerchio: i am 0-4 vs jbl this submit
AntiSquid: if opponent is ahead and there is a sharp turn you don't slow down as much as you should and try to collide with him so you bounce off and move towards next checkpoint
Nerchio: woops
Zenoscave: no...
Zenoscave: oops
Turch: Believe me, AntiSquid. I have a tackle function.
Zenoscave: Now beat the boss!!!!
Turch: I think I just can't get ahead to start, because I usually make up my distance on the goodness of my turns
Nerchio: i swear hitting submit is like gambling
Nerchio: so addicting lol
Zenoscave: It really is
Turch: I also have my boost set to boost at third time I encounter a distance greater than ones I've encountered before - that way I aim for the best case scenario
Zenoscave: THANK YOU
Nerchio: you got in?
Zenoscave: Still calculating
Nerchio: i beat boss once and lost twice to you xD
Zenoscave: miight be enough but it's definitely close
Turch: Maybe I'll just move on. My brain is too small for CSB
Zenoscave: 3rd loss!
Nerchio: i finished submit
AntiSquid: ok now submit again
mlomb: looks promising zenoscave!
Zenoscave: well hold on.
Zenoscave: I think so!!!!!
Nerchio: the ranking is pretty dumb
AntiSquid: play a game of chicken:
the one who is first to stop submit spamming will lose
Zenoscave: only 0.32 below
Nerchio: i won 70% of the matches against all the top guys
Turch: Anyway, thanks for the help, AntiSquid
Nerchio: and i placed top6
AntiSquid: fair
Nerchio: people with killshots from across the map in the middle of gold are scary
Nerchio: xD
Zenoscave: new submit?
Nerchio: yea but bad start so not going far probably
AntiSquid: lol they have fatality checks and are mid gold
Dav1dS: this guy is streaming coding clashes and challenges https://www.twitch.tv/saintplaysthings
Nerchio: yea there is many people in mid gold with finishers already
Zenoscave: We know Dav1dS he has sent the link before
AntiSquid: which is why i don't want to watch him Dav1dS
Nerchio: im here to code a bot not watching coding clashes
Zenoscave: submit looks good Nerchio! Any changes?
Nerchio: no
AntiSquid: anti zeno modifications
Nerchio: i dont change anything anymore today
Nerchio: just spam submit a couple of times and i go to bed
Zenoscave: lol
Zenoscave: let's hope pro zeno mods
Nerchio: maybe i can turn on some more random shooting
Nerchio: should be good vs you
Nerchio: xD
Zenoscave: Random shooting?
Nerchio: ye atm my bot is pretty passive
Nerchio: its more consistent in mid gold
Zenoscave: Mine is wildly random in mid/low gold
AntiSquid: i am going, still need to work tomorrow
Zenoscave: gn AntiSquid!
Nerchio: bye
Nerchio: rip around 20 i think
Zenoscave: yeah?
Zenoscave: bad RNG?
Nerchio: i guess
Nerchio: it's hard to get through people who shoot even though there is 25 possibilities on the map where i can be
Nerchio: and hit me for 2 ;p
Zenoscave: yeah that is pretty tough
ZarthaxX: that's called skill
Nerchio: was a good submit until i run into 25 crashes
Nerchio: funny it got to top50
Zenoscave: timeouts why?
Nerchio: i changed my mine code which resulted in me accessing -1 in array
Nerchio: was a good start of the submit sad :D
Zenoscave: well fix it ;)
Nerchio: i did
KobeL: Streaming coding clashes still, if anyone is interested in watching or joining: https://www.twitch.tv/saintplaysthings/
Zenoscave: Not really KobeL
Zenoscave: CoC is not really all that popular
KobeL: I know but there's still people that like doing it :D
KiwiTae: :joy:
KiwiTae: Zenoscave pewpew
Zenoscave: pew pew
Zenoscave: Hi kiwi
KiwiTae: seting up my custom ue4 engine lol got some time to spare >,<
KiwiTae: whats up o/
Zenoscave: Do the contest
KiwiTae: I am in wood :D
Zenoscave: nice!
KiwiTae: was hard to get there
KiwiTae: pressed join took me a week
KiwiTae: hehe
Zenoscave: It's a long contest. been going for almost 4 weeks
icecream17: Don't know why... but somehow the first possibleOpp position is almost always the actual position by turn 50
KiwiTae: yeaa just saw it was still on
KiwiTae: awesome way to spend lockdown i guess
Zenoscave: Yeah it's been a great time spender
Nerchio: zenos pushed maybe? xD
Zenoscave: YUP!!!!!!!!
Zenoscave: was above boss by less than 0.01
Nerchio: gz :p
Zenoscave: thanks!
Nerchio: should be easier without you xD
vbplaya: Why does the "Top 100 schools" only show 37?
ZarthaxX: ZENOOOOOOOOOOO
ZarthaxX: GZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZarthaxX: go sleep now
MadKnight: hey hey ZarthaxX
MadKnight: vbplaya maybe there are only 37 ?
MadKnight: Zenoscave still there ?
Dav1dS: can anyone give me a hint on coders strike back bronze rank level 4 (aka boss 4)
KiwiTae: Dav1dS whats your strategy so far?
KiwiTae: MadKnight o/ hey
manc: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1188294de619ccdc934fa72d0ffb0b8cd15138c
