toctou: because it high level
toctou: language
TheAtom: C++ isn't really high level >_>
TheAtom: In fact, the reason *why* there are no core dumps is because it *isn't* a high level language
Ducknaro: raga
Ducknaro: i study python
SharagaPKS: Э бля.
Пендосы. А я знаю что вы дрочите!\
SilentLlama_fb: вы пэдоры
SharagaPKS: РААСИИИЯ СВЯЩЕННАЯ НААШААА СТРАНААА
SharagaPKS: И ВАС БЛЯЯЯТЬ ПИНДОСООВ НИКТО ТУТ НЕ ЗВААл
wlesavo: ping Bob MadKnight reCurse
struct: ping struct
struct: Do you need something wlesavo?
wlesavo: well these russian boys are being mean
struct: They are probably gonne
toctou: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/eeb0e5dd-5a82-44b5-acf9-73fc6f3590d1
toctou: :relaxed:
wlesavo: struct oh, didnt notice it was half an hour ago
MadKnight: hey hey struct how's your bot ?
struct: Still not done
MadKnight: why so long ?
MadKnight: u just need to wrap stuff into a vector
struct: ezpz
struct: Where is everyone Automaton2000?
Automaton2000: one thing at a time
ThunderbirdOne: everyone's home deu to COVID#19
MadKnight: only Automaton2000 is out there
Automaton2000: the more i look at it
MadKnight: hmm why is there Automaton2020
MadKnight: hihi ThunderbirdOne
TheAceOfToasters: Thought my college classes were gonna be postponed/online due to Corona, but it was infact a different college with the same name like a thousand miles away
MadKnight: rip
ThunderbirdOne: hiya MadKnight
MadKnight: how's your c# ThunderbirdOne ?
ThunderbirdOne: pretty decent? I think?
ThunderbirdOne: going backwards though, current project is still .NET 4.5 >.>
ThunderbirdOne: so many nice things i can't use
MadKnight: how big is your job's project ThunderbirdOne ?
ThunderbirdOne: let's just say i'm at belgium's biggest payroll provider atm :p
ThunderbirdOne: so... BIG
MadKnight: how many projects in solution ?
AtekahHafeez: ktaeah69
ThunderbirdOne: 11
ThunderbirdOne: but we've got a ton of dependencies we also maintain
MadKnight: and the client code ?
MadKnight: WebClient ?
ThunderbirdOne: this is MVC with jquery :p
MadKnight: rip
ThunderbirdOne: yeah
ThunderbirdOne: team is pretty old too, so they're very anti new stuff
ThunderbirdOne: so GIT, DevOps, Angular...
ThunderbirdOne: you really have to push hard to get stuff like that done
ThunderbirdOne: still runs on a DB2 database too
MSmits: i'm sitting here in a room with 60+ students
MSmits: someone sneezed just now
MSmits: oh and another coughed
**MSmits ducks
Astrobytes: Not wearing your hazmat suit? :P
struct: wtf schools still open there?
MSmits: nope, it would freak out the students
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: yes struct
struct: And you have 10x more infected
dbdr: rip
struct: Here there are 70 cases
Astrobytes: Still open here too
ThunderbirdOne: school closing here starting monday
struct: and everything is closing
MSmits: we have thousands infected
struct: 614 confirmed
dbdr: probably much more
struct: but yes
dbdr: takes time to be detected, if ever
dbdr: 2 weeks before symptoms I think?
MSmits: I suspect 100k at least
ThunderbirdOne: approx. 11 days incubation
struct: WTF
Astrobytes: 2-14 days yep
struct: really?
MSmits: well in china they say 100k infected, but it is millions for sure
ThunderbirdOne: we are royally late on doing something about it
dbdr: sounds reasonable
MSmits: you cant test everyone and most have mild symptoms
dbdr: actually China did much better measures than other countries
Astrobytes: Nobody took it particularly seriously until recently, at least in Europe
ThunderbirdOne: "it's just a flu"
ThunderbirdOne: riiight
Astrobytes: The eastern asian countries have experience with containment
ThunderbirdOne: they've all had SARS and shit
Astrobytes: yeah, SARS, MERS all that
MSmits: scientists took it seriously
MSmits: but who listens to those huh
Astrobytes: Yeah, quite
ThunderbirdOne: science is overrated
ThunderbirdOne: :p
Astrobytes: As a career, scientific research is overrated. Ego-driven, money-driven nonsense mostly
dbdr: https://xkcd.com/54/
ThunderbirdOne: just write lots of papers to keep the funding coming
struct: I also read that 50% will get infected is this true?
dbdr: it's very possible
ThunderbirdOne: some countries even project up to 70%
ThunderbirdOne: it's not very lethal though
ThunderbirdOne: some people even carry it without any symptoms
dbdr: probably most do
dbdr: they could test a random sample of the population to know better
Astrobytes: More lethal than 'flu
dbdr: but not sure if it has been done
Astrobytes: 'cause of the similarities in symptoms it's hard to distinguish, also can't realistically test that many people
struct: Well im staying home
Astrobytes: I've no choice in the matter :P
struct: Why?
ThunderbirdOne: same here... client is still holding on to "everything is fine
Astrobytes: I'm quarantined
Astrobytes: 'flu
ThunderbirdOne: I got to work in about half the time it normally takes me lol :p
ThunderbirdOne: so that was nice
struct: I guess I quit the bartending in the right moment
Astrobytes: Well, patient zero was in November last year...
dbdr: https://i.snipboard.io/VKwdnE.jpg
struct: origin?
struct: China?
Astrobytes: Yeah
ThunderbirdOne: 55 year old man in Hubei
ThunderbirdOne: or whatever the province is called
Astrobytes: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/first-covid-19-case-happened-in-november-china-government-records-show-report
Astrobytes: Yes dbdr, that's what I plan to do as long as I'm feeling well enough :D
struct: I'm still at AVX...
Astrobytes: That should keep you going
struct: At least it doesnt feel like im totally wasting my time
Astrobytes: time spent learning is never wasteful
struct: I had to switch back to ubuntu
struct: VS compiler does some weird stuff
Astrobytes: wrt?
struct: its either VS or me
MadKnight: are u also a studio ?
MadKnight: StructStudio
MadKnight: or wait what are u talking about
Astrobytes: you crack me up sometimes Maddy
enzoROD: Hello there
enzoROD: Is this chat global?
MadKnight: yea
enzoROD: nice
Uljahn: nah it's just world-wide
enzoROD: XD
struct: like function performance would skyrocket if I passed the parameter by reference
struct: but on linux had no change
struct: Didnt matter if it was by reference
dbdr: did you look at the asm?
struct: I dont know asm
struct: So I did not
dbdr: it can be useful if you want to get serious about performance
dbdr: like using avx :)
MadKnight: Astrobytes did u try to use AVX too ?
MadKnight: just like struct
dbdr: you don't need to be able to write asm, just read it, learning bit by bit what comes up
Astrobytes: No MadKnight, I've done some reading on it though
struct: Yes but I always have the same problem
struct: I always try to early optimize
struct: Without having working solution
dbdr: oh yeah, write something working first
dbdr: then optimize the 10 lines that actually matter
struct: How do I check for cache misses?
ThunderbirdOne: pre-mature optimisation is really a waste of time
ThunderbirdOne: although a lot of famous programmers call "performance" a feature :p
struct: I guess Ill need to learn how to use valgrind
struct: or anyone has any other tool to recomend?
MadKnight: ask agade
MadKnight: on discord
wlesavo: robostac is comming for you dbdr :slight_smile:
dbdr: yeah, saw that
dbdr: some competition, good!
MadKnight: dbdr is willing to be coming for u back robostac
MadKnight: improve your improving
dbdr: by the way, I did a test wlesavo
dbdr: 46 validators: min=292 avg=316.90 max=337
92 validators: min=301 avg=316.71 max=333
dbdr: I divided the scores by 2 in the second case for easy comparison
dbdr: actually I don't tree the N=1 case specially, I should
dbdr: more noise than needed
wlesavo: hm, i would say it is convincing enough
RoboStac: not sure my improving can be improved much
kovi: nice one robo
dbdr: RoboStac what's your story with Rust?
RoboStac: given it's just the same code as before but with actual performance instead of trying to make debug rust work
dbdr: ah yes
dbdr: are you Rust-curious? :)
dbdr: or using it much already?
RoboStac: yeah, I'm messing with it a bit
dbdr: how is it so far?
RoboStac: did advent of code with it, and my number shifting was rust
dbdr: nice
dbdr: I started 1 year ago for previous RAIC
RoboStac: I like it a lot, but it's hard to justify giving up the performance for
RoboStac: I guess I should try it somewhere where it gets properly compiled so that doesn't matter as much
dbdr: performance is pretty good with --release
dbdr: essentially on par with C++
MadKnight: didn't they enable optimize in rust when submitting ?
RoboStac: they do for multi's
dbdr: only in area
RoboStac: not for optims
dbdr: arena
dbdr: I send a compile binary here
dbdr: compiled
dbdr: I have my own messy hack
dbdr: but https://github.com/Agade09/CG-Send-Binary should be usable as well
dbdr: it's a bit more tricky to fix in size because the C/C++ stdlib is installed on the host, while the rust one has to be compiled in
dbdr: *to fit
dbdr: wlesavo: score for N=1 is always 5 right?
RoboStac: yeah, I considered trying to send the binary but it was a couple of megabytes so it seemed unlikely I'd get it down to the correct size
dbdr: did you stip it?
dbdr: strip
RoboStac: not at the time, but just tried that and it is still 240k
dbdr: then it can be compressed :)
dbdr: Agade recommends https://upx.github.io/ I think
wlesavo: dbdr right, 5 it is
dbdr: cool, running a new test
dbdr: 200 1: 5.00 2: 5.03 3: 4.95 4: 5.20 5: 5.72 6: 6.27 7: 7.19 8: 8.17 9: 9.39 10: 10.50 min=299 avg=317.12 max=340 0.19/s
dbdr: seems I got lucky :)
dbdr: unless the fixed response on turn 1 is more favorable than the average one
wlesavo: could be so, considering its 2/8 and 3/7 b/c for L=10
MadKnight: sooo i watched feminator 6
MadKnight: it's just remake of terminator 2 but with the evil terminator guy having like infinity number of abilities but he uses them only when he can't kill anybody with them
reCurse: Definitely not what I first had in mind
Astrobytes: giggity
MadKnight: and the arnold terminator who got called Carl is now a family guy
Astrobytes: They should have left it at T2. Milking it as per usual.
MSmits: I did like one thing
MSmits: the liquid terminator around the old-style terminator
MSmits: it's a nice idea
MadKnight: with weird black teeth?
MSmits: i have no comments about the teeth
MSmits: why call it feminator btw, there were dudes in there too
MSmits: carl, the liquid terminator and I assume it's terminator skeleton thingy... 3 dudes!
MSmits: terminator 3 also had a female terminator
MSmits: and a Arnie
MadKnight: producer said they would never endanger actors and other guys so every action in the movie is 3d
MadKnight: even simple jumps
Astrobytes: Quantum Termi's next, Fermionator
MSmits: what would 2d actions look like?
MadKnight: like Automaton2020
MadKnight: Automaton2000
Automaton2000: i cant get it to work with
MadKnight: director or producer i dunno who he is but he looks like avatar aang
MadKnight: with his weird blue tattoos
MSmits: cool
MSmits: if I wanted to get tattoo's, they would be weird and blue also
MadKnight: and looked like avatar's arrows ?
MSmits: or just, all blue
MSmits: like.... the genie in Aladdin
MadKnight: avatar MSmits
MSmits: fine avatar
Astrobytes: lol ffs
MadKnight: physics teacher avatar
MSmits: speechless :notes:
MSmits: well another day survived in school
MadKnight: gj
MadKnight: now go do your avatar duties
MadKnight: and improve your bot
MSmits: what are they
struct: How do you know you survived?
MSmits: which one?
MadKnight: CSB ofc
MSmits: how does anyone know they are alive?
MadKnight: struct is gonna get your smitsi with his AVX
MSmits: that would be cool
MSmits: I'm just finishing up langtons ant
MSmits: getting it to work i mean
MSmits: I have 2 params I will fit and if it seems i cant improve it further I will move on to the next multi
MadKnight: MSmits are u gonna try to make a NN eval() ?
MSmits: nah
MSmits: I dont think i would enjoy it that much
MSmits: I mean out of interest I will of course make a NN at some point, now that I am teaching CS.... but I prefer to know what my bot is doing exactly
MSmits: and i like to apply strategy to board games
MadKnight: MSmits do u think u won't know that? NN just generates a super fancy math function based on inputs to return eval value
MadKnight: is like return x*3+y*4+a*11
Astrobytes: Maddy, you spend so much tiem extolling the virtues of NN, yet I don't see you writing one for any multi?
Astrobytes: *time
struct: Write a multi MadKnight
MSmits: MadKnight, you wont know what the numbers mean....
struct: CSB v4
MadKnight: MSmits but u can know that it priorities A over B
MadKnight: just visualise your NN MSmits
MSmits: but not why
MSmits: you try to visualize deep learning
MadKnight: why -> because of experience
MadKnight: just visualize deep learning MSmits ezpz
MSmits: maybe show us the way instead of telling us the way :)
MSmits: write a NN for a multi
MSmits: then write up an article telling us how you did it
MadKnight: pb4 already did it
MadKnight: just read his article
MSmits: pb4 didnt really. That article isnt written for someone who knows nothing of NNs. It's written for people who know their stuff
MSmits: you write one for NNoobs
MadKnight: then make a NN that predicts XOR operation MSmits
MadKnight: FreexXx started that way too
MSmits: i got other things to do atm :)
MadKnight: XOR NN is just a few neurons MSmits u can even draw this NN on paper
MadKnight: or just find a tuto about XOR NN
MSmits: ok
MadKnight: they explain everything about how XOR NN works
MSmits: ttyl, my train is arriving
struct: MadKnight gogogo make tech io tutorial on NN
MadKnight: ezpz
MadKnight: don't they have one already ?
MadKnight: u wanna join me today evening struct ?
struct: join on what?
MadKnight: on making a tech io tuto on NN
struct: I have no NN knowledge sorry
69razer69: hey
69razer69: what is NN
MadKnight: don't worry i only need some phrasing and texting from u struct
MadKnight: NN is neural network
MadKnight: struct u will also learn NN while doing that
69razer69: u mean the structure of persceptron
69razer69: perceptron
MadKnight: a whole neural network
tehHacker2000: hello everybody how yeh doing
69razer69: so yeah where is that ?
MadKnight: where is what
69razer69: i think there is a NN course
69razer69: or what
MadKnight: on tech io ?
MadKnight: about a XOR NN ?
reCurse: Why don't you do it instead of telling others to do it
MadKnight: do what?
MadKnight: the tuto?
MadKnight: but i'm already going to do it
MadKnight: i just invited struct if he wants
MSmits: let us know how it goes MadKnight
MSmits: dont have time for it myself atm, but that doesnt mean I'm not interested
MadKnight: u wanna check my tuto MSmits ?
MSmits: if you have a link, I can bm it
MSmits: but I dont speak russian
MadKnight: sure don't worry it won't be in russian
MadKnight: but i can give u "NN in python in 11 lines" MSmits
MadKnight: even now
MSmits: ok
MadKnight: https://iamtrask.github.io/2015/07/12/basic-python-network/
MSmits: thanks
MSmits: that's cool also because it is python, I can use it in class maybe if it is really that simple
MadKnight: they use matrix multiplication in there
MSmits: mmh yeah might be a bit out of reach for most of my students
MadKnight: just draw them a pic of NN
MadKnight: a few neurons
MSmits: i should learn it first. I like to be way ahead of what I teach
MadKnight: show them what is multiplicated by what
MSmits: maybe over the summer
MadKnight: multiplied
MSmits: hey reCurse, how far can I get with NN's over a summer vacation of 6 weeks ?
MSmits: if I just know the basic theory before I start that is
MadKnight: u can beat pb4 at CSB ez
MSmits: I'm not doing that
MadKnight: i'm using that to compare distance
MadKnight: u can go that far
reCurse: Weird question
MadKnight: the big problem u will need time to learn is how to make NNs learn faster
MSmits: not really, you started from nothing, not too long ago, right?
MSmits: was it a year or so?
reCurse: jan of last year
MSmits: yeah
reCurse: I'm just not sure what kind of answer you're expecting
MSmits: just trying to find a realistic goal
MadKnight: oh so that's what u wanted
MadKnight: > I'm not doing that
now i see what u meant
eulerscheZahl: is there any known issue about broken links?
reCurse: Took me around 3 months to achieve CSB from nothing
reCurse: So extrapolate however you want
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/community-puzzle-bulls-and-cows-2/164149
link to puzzle not working, 404
MadKnight: MSmits NNs only predict stuff they don't do stuff
MSmits: hmm ok, but thats while working right? You were not 3 months off from work
reCurse: No
MSmits: but I guess you're also much faster than I am
MadKnight: MSmits try to find a problem of prediction stuff from other stuff
reCurse: But I dedicated most of my free time there
MadKnight: of predicting* stuff
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: MadKnight I dont think I'll actually use it for CG
MadKnight: i'm not talking about CG MSmits just find any kind of problem to solve with NN
MadKnight: where u need to predict or detect
reCurse: Just find a nail for this hammer
reCurse: zzz
MSmits: I would like to make maybe some simple examples for teaching. Machine learning is part of the optional curriculum for CS
MadKnight: XOR is the easiest example
reCurse: Then stick to the classics
reCurse: No xor sucks
reCurse: MNIST is easy
MadKnight: xor is 2->2->1 neurons
MSmits: I need something a bit flashier than XOR even if it is simplest to understand
reCurse: xor is uninteresting for entry level
MadKnight: AND ?
MadKnight: 2->1
reCurse: It's not the 90s anymore
reCurse: MNIST is ridiculously easy to get working
MSmits: I like the number recognition problem. Is that MNIST?
reCurse: And it's easy to understand why you can't do it easily by yourself
reCurse: Yes
MSmits: ah ok, yeah I want to do that
reCurse: There's also a billion examples around it
reCurse: So it's a no brainer to teach
MadKnight: i have a tuto on number recognition with a really nice explanation and demonstration of each hidden neuron in the network
MSmits: well link me that too then :)
MSmits: thanks reCurse
reCurse: Or if you want to be fancier
MadKnight: and a nice visualisation
reCurse: There's also mnist fashion
reCurse: For recognizing clothes
reCurse: A bit more fun
MSmits: yeah, sounds cool
MSmits: i mean not for me, clothes dont interest me one bit, for the students I mean
reCurse: It's not about interest
reCurse: But it's a more interesting problem
MSmits: ahh ok
reCurse: You can imagine recognizing clothes to be harder than numbers
MSmits: depends on how bad the handwriting is I suppose
reCurse: It's not just about that
reCurse: But some smarter people could think of extracting a skeleton and do analysis on the resulting spline
reCurse: Well with clothes it's not that easy
MSmits: I see
MadKnight: u can still extract outline
MadKnight: spline is weird kind of outline
reCurse: sigh
reCurse: Anyway
MadKnight: do u understand the basic idea of neurons/perceptrons MSmits ?
MSmits: i know the basic idea yes
MadKnight: i mean the logical idea
MadKnight: not the maths
Uljahn: you mean conceptual?
MadKnight: ye
MadKnight: each neuron in each layer predicts some value or % probability of a single thing based on neurons and their single things from the previous layer
69razer69: hey whats the ideal of tech.io
69razer69: i see playgrounds and so on i dont get it
MadKnight: to learn something
MadKnight: they teach u to do something
MadKnight: just go to tutorials
69razer69: about NN there a great book called make your own neural network writen by tariq rachiid
Uljahn: btw Mad do you really have the link to that tuto with a nice visualisation or were kidding?
MadKnight: it's in russian and it's somewhere on habr
MadKnight: but i lost the link
Uljahn: ah nice
MadKnight: just try to find it by keywords
Uljahn: https://habr.com/ru/post/342934/
MadKnight: haven't seen this one
Uljahn: there are too many of them :(
MadKnight: https://proglib.io/p/neural-network-course
MadKnight: MSmits just use google translate
BenjaminUrquhart: codingame is officially broken in safari
BenjaminUrquhart: :clap:
BenjaminUrquhart: or wait
BenjaminUrquhart: it's broken here too
BenjaminUrquhart: chrome
BenjaminUrquhart: "TypeError: Cannot read property 'infos' of null"
arkwaw: Same here , 404 on bot programing games
MadKnight: [CG]Thibaud
[CG]Thibaud: yes, we're aware. Sorry, we're on it
tutubalin: best introductory article to Machine Learning is this:
https://vas3k.com/blog/machine_learning/
tutubalin: also available in Russian and Portuguese
BenjaminUrquhart: you can get into the game IDE by visiting https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/GAMEID directly
arkwaw: thanks
Uljahn: tutubalin: good one
Uljahn: MadKnight: but it's just a translation of a video which is in english: "But what is a Neural Network?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aircAruvnKk
[CG]Thibaud: should be fixed
Uljahn: it's working now, thanks [CG] team
BenjaminUrquhart: [CG]Thibaud the details tab for practice puzzles still doesn't preview for me (multis work though)
BenjaminUrquhart: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/fc959745-08ea-496d-bb2e-58ed9e272571
Uljahn: ctrl+f5?
eulerscheZahl: where is my shrine BenjaminUrquhart?
brando2: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/5930b797-8c34-4de7-9c2f-ea44b219d65a
BenjaminUrquhart: Uljahn that output is from refreshing with cache disabled
**eulerscheZahl confirms the null puzzle
eulerscheZahl: but the relevant stuff is working fine
Uljahn: which puzzle are you talking about? give me the link
BenjaminUrquhart: any solo, tested with https://www.codingame.com/training/easy/graffiti-on-the-fence
Uljahn: i've tested some community and classic ones in ff, no error found so far
BenjaminUrquhart: chrome's just bad then
struct: They are in the proccess of removing puzzles so we have more code size for multies
BenjaminUrquhart: ah yes
Uljahn: good to know
Uljahn: one multi is enough, csb with 100Mb code size limit :smiley:
struct: you spelled Yavalath wrong
Uljahn: BenjaminUrquhart: there are a lot of warnings in the developer console but they are ignored in ff i guess, so the details tab is working as intended
BenjaminUrquhart: Uljahn what I have is a straight error
struct: hmm
struct: its a bit buggy to me
struct: I need to press details
struct: to see puzzle description
struct: But besides that everything works
BenjaminUrquhart: exactly
Uljahn: i though the details tab is one shown on the results tab :thinking:
Uljahn: yep, landing pagw details shows blank for me too
Uljahn: *page
Ducknaro: hi
BenjaminUrquhart: hi
tobk: struct What did you mean, removing puzzles for more code-size in multis? Purging puzzles and solutions from their servers to have more size for submitted code for the rest?
BenjaminUrquhart: I think he was joking
darkhorse64: He has a self-destruct sense of humor.
eulerscheZahl: :D
tobk: In my defence, we are well past the parody inversion point at this time... https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-10-02
Astrobytes: Hah. Sadly very much on point.
eulerscheZahl: dilbert? here we quote xkcd!
Astrobytes: lol
eulerscheZahl: schools are closed here in bavaria now
Astrobytes: In the UK the strategy is "let everyone get infected and hope they develop immunity" . . .
tobk: in that case: https://xkcd.com/2278/
eulerscheZahl: to be fair mortality rate is pretty low - at least for the younger generation...
eulerscheZahl: to me it feels a bit exaggerated, a normal flue can be deadly too
Astrobytes: Higher than 'flu.
Astrobytes: Though true infection numbers are unknown, so could easily skew the lethality rate
darkhorse64: Look at Italy
Garneek: mars
eulerscheZahl: :it:
eulerscheZahl: margherita color :pizza:
eulerscheZahl: basilikum, cheese, tomato
Astrobytes: NB: The UK is the *only* country pursuing this strategy
eulerscheZahl: so we can tell if it was wise for us to perform a lock-down in hindsight
eulerscheZahl: you are like the placebo group of a medical experiment
tobk: Astrobytes is that parody now or is that really your strategy? you know, after Brexit...
JBM: i heard the us was pretty close to that
Astrobytes: Essentially they don't mind sacrificing between 10's of thousands of people up to potentially 1.1 million. And hope it doesn't mutate
Astrobytes: tobk don't get me started! :D
darkhorse64: UK people are resilient. If our government behaves like that, there woukd have alreadty been a revolution
eulerscheZahl: i don't want to be the politician who decided that, if the strategy backfires
Astrobytes: Resilient? Apathetic
eulerscheZahl: french people know how do revolt
with burning cars and all that
dbdr: burning cars in 1789? :)
darkhorse64: It's the first step. After, we burn palaces and cut heads
Astrobytes: Tuesday - riot, Wednesday - strike, Thursday - burn effigies, Friday - party, Saturday - riot :D
JBM: was about to say mostle that (dbdr)
tobk: kind of like a nation-wide measles party...
dbdr: Headline: "Boris Johnson won't be tested despite UK health minister contracting coronavirus"
UK really chose clever leadership /s
eulerscheZahl: burning horse carriages
JBM: lovely ambiguity
Astrobytes: As a UK citizen I can't even make excuses. I didn't vote for him. Shrug.
dbdr: did you vote at all?
Astrobytes: Yes.
JBM: him? wait, i'm one cycle late
eulerscheZahl: neither did we vote him
Astrobytes: For the Scottish National Party.
dbdr: cool, Astrobytes!
Astrobytes: As I'm Scottish.
eulerscheZahl: your profile implies that
JBM: you'd be allowed to have multiple parties
Astrobytes: Yes, thank you euler :P
darkhorse64: Do you have a programming cat ?
darkhorse64: I mean the kind that steps on your keyboard
eulerscheZahl: mine sometimes discovers shortcuts that i wasn't aware of
tobk: you mean besides the shortcut over your keyboard?
eulerscheZahl: :D
Astrobytes: Yep, I have 2 in fact
Astrobytes: They like to perform what I refer to as Monte Carlo Tail Searches
Astrobytes: They press keys and knock stuff off my desk with their tails which I then have to search for
miszu: I just finished my MCTS in C++. It runs slower than my Java code. How is that possible haha
eulerscheZahl: poor implementation
eulerscheZahl: e.g. passing an array as a copy instead of reference?
Elioh: eulerrr
Elioh: what is ur thought about going into the data science field ?
miszu: my 2D arrays are actually vector<vector<Square>>
miszu: but yeah, I need to verify what am I passing by value and what not
icecream17: what am i doing?
Astrobytes: And you've got the required pragmas mszu?
Astrobytes: miszu
miszu: what you mean by pragmas?
Astrobytes: #pragma GCC optimize("Ofast","unroll-loops","omit-frame-pointer", "inline")
- pragma GCC option("arch=native","tune=native","no-zero-upper")
- pragma GCC target("avx2")
eulerscheZahl: i really can't give you advice on that Elioh
first it really much depends on you (knowledge, interests, passion to get into it)
eulerscheZahl: second i'm not in that field myself, can't tell much about it
Astrobytes: Something like that miszu
Astrobytes: We need a C++ pragma button in the chat
miszu: oh boy. I have no idea about that world.
dbdr: AutomatonFAQ
miszu: I am C++ beginner
eulerscheZahl: reminds me of another student at university
he defined a lot of shortcuts to write text blocks for certain scenarios
Astrobytes: Stick it at the top, try it, then lookup GCC compiler optims
eulerscheZahl: AutomatonFAQ would even be a useful bot
Astrobytes: Yeah, it would
eulerscheZahl: who can do the hosting?
miszu: but wait, I thought you guys use your own compiler. I can write my compiler options when I submit my code?
eulerscheZahl: no
Astrobytes: hence the pragma directives
eulerscheZahl: but pragmas are different to compiler flags
eulerscheZahl: they only apply to your own code
eulerscheZahl: so STL (like vector) will still be slower than with -o3
Astrobytes: But it's a huge improvement with the pragmas
eulerscheZahl: agreed
miszu: i just copy paste that pragma example to the top of my cpp file?
eulerscheZahl: yes
Astrobytes: Yup
miszu: I'll give it a try. Thanks
Astrobytes: And please do look up the available options and what they do
miszu: yes of course. If it actually improves I gonna read about it
miszu: it didn't change much really
Astrobytes: You may have bigger problems ;)
miszu: the loop where I do traversal, rollout and backpropagate only interate 50 times +/-
miszu: so yes, my code is so shitty that GC can't help me haha
AntiSquid: lol UK being like Wonderland
AntiSquid: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8108271/Chief-scientific-adviser-wants-60-percent-entire-population-catch-coronavirus.html
eulerscheZahl: and how many in java?
miszu: for me I am afraid of allocating new memory so I prefer to do everything by value
miszu: 500+ in java
miszu: sometimes 800
eulerscheZahl: i hope you don't pass large arrays by value?
miszu: I thought in C++ I could achieve 2-3k
miszu: cuz it's C++ master race
eulerscheZahl: which game? tic tac toe?
miszu: uttt yes
Astrobytes: And more, but not if you just write it like it's Java ;)
eulerscheZahl: you should get 20k rollouts in 100ms for legend
miszu: that's the issue haha. I wrote it with a Java mind haha
eulerscheZahl: just to give you an estimate how close/far you are
miszu: at least I don't have core dumps. So I have the correctness. Now it's just optimize it
Astrobytes: You're gonna have to allocate some memory :P
miszu: NUUU
miszu: I love automatic memory allocation
miszu: now I have to deal with descturctors
eulerscheZahl: make an array at turn 1, global variable
Astrobytes: ^
eulerscheZahl: and do you know what bitboards are?
miszu: yeah-ish
miszu: I use a class to represent my board game
miszu: and enum to represent the state of each square
miszu: very OOP
Astrobytes: Might be useful:
https://eprints.qut.edu.au/85005/1/__staffhome.qut.edu.au_staffgroupm$_meaton_Desktop_bits-7.pdf
dbdr: AntiSquid: dailymail is pretty trash, isn't it?
Astrobytes: yes dbdr
AntiSquid: well the title is the same for many other news sites
AntiSquid: i read dailymail comments actually
Astrobytes: But they're on point this time, just sensationalising it a little more
Astrobytes: "dailymail comments" you masochist AntiSquid
AntiSquid: lol no
AntiSquid: it's fun read
AntiSquid: always weird shit in there
Astrobytes: It's insane :D
AntiSquid: i like the arguments
dbdr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI
miszu: that pdf is a rabbit hole
Astrobytes: lol dbdr
Astrobytes: We call it the Daily Heil
Astrobytes: miszu, lots of good info here too
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Main_Page
Astrobytes: Plus there are a few TTT (not ultimate) articles out there that might be a good idea to start with
dbdr: Astrobytes: probably because of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Support_of_fascism
Astrobytes: Yes, precisely because of that dbdr
Astrobytes: They haven't changed
AntiSquid: really? i am more inclined to believe they are supporting any type of bullshit as long as it's bullshit
Astrobytes: No, they've consistently pushed a far-right message, most UK press does to some extent or another.
AntiSquid: most articles i read online across multiple websites keep mentioning brexit and how bad it is, and i am saying this as someone who isn't in favor of brexit
struct: miszu I would start with simple TTT
struct: The change you have to make for UTTT then is not so big
struct: and will be way simpler to understand TTT
Astrobytes: AntiSquid - that's because it is
AntiSquid: the point is, it's mentioned too often
dbdr: https://www.dailymail.co.uk this website looks like it was done by a 14 year old who just learned HTML
Astrobytes: Too often for what?
AntiSquid: most media is is leftist
Astrobytes: Leftist? Media? I nthe UK?
Astrobytes: In the UK?
struct: Most stuff on that website looks like ads
Astrobytes: Last I heard we had the most right-wing press in Europe
Astrobytes: They'll be the ones telling you everyone and everything is 'leftist' or 'communist' or - lol - 'Marxist'
AntiSquid: w/e
AntiSquid: weekend here
Astrobytes: They've managed to demonize practically anything left of centre-right
AntiSquid: how do i download replays again? it's been a while
AntiSquid: honestly i find both the right and the left have fallen in the the far extremes
Astrobytes: I thiiink it changed a bit? Still the JSON but I think the format is different
Astrobytes: Yes I agree AntiSquid
Astrobytes: We live in all-or-nothing, my-way-or-the-highway times, everything is extreme
Astrobytes: Anyway, way too much politics
reCurse: But it drives up our followers engagement /s
Astrobytes: haha
dbdr: https://cdn-games.codingame.com/community/2101153-1569555230260/2835f6cce17f3bd352b1a87760ff09a3b40a2fca5061b9a8ce97e1dd4105c4c9.json
dbdr: wth is this?
reCurse: Sprite sheet
Astrobytes: lovely
eulerscheZahl: hint: use short names for you images to save replay size
eulerscheZahl: i'm totally serious on that
and the names have to be the same for all replays of the games
dbdr: AntiSquid: https://www.codingame.com/services/gameResult/findInformationById
dbdr: the best is to open a replay url after hitting F12
dbdr: and find the right request
eulerscheZahl: (i used a dictionary to assign a,b,c,... as names, changed for each replay)
caching replaced the images instead of properly loading, gave funny matches
dbdr: eulerscheZahl: well, it's compressed, so does it matter much?
dbdr: or there is a SDK constraint on uncompressed size?
eulerscheZahl: you mean the json is compressed when sending it?
eulerscheZahl: SDK checks uncompressed
AntiSquid: HTTP Status 405 – Method Not Allowed
dbdr: sure, compressed as part of HTTP
eulerscheZahl: pass arguments
dbdr: if the browser requests it, which it should
dbdr: and use POST
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/6f13e14f-f9e4-4671-9ca4-af4f32fe6ed6
eulerscheZahl: dbdr are me using different APIs
eulerscheZahl: but there are often several options to get the data
dbdr: CG always has several APIs for the same thing
dbdr: for some reason :D
dbdr: I just opened https://www.codingame.com/replay/413187225 and watched the traffic
AntiSquid: is this out of use?
https://www.codingame.com/services/gamesPlayersRankingRemoteService/findLastBattlesByAgentId
dbdr: from the name, that would give you replay ids, not replays
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/services/gamesPlayersRanking/findLastBattlesByAgentId
eulerscheZahl: new URL
eulerscheZahl: without RemoteServices in it
PatrickMcGinnisII: Astrobytes bitboard url 404
eulerscheZahl: try the whole URL
eulerscheZahl: the chat breaks it at some characters, where it shouldn't
Astrobytes: ^
PatrickMcGinnisII: "https://eprints.qut.edu.au/85005/1/__staffhome.qut.edu.au_staffgroupm$_meaton_Desktop_bits-7.pdf"
PatrickMcGinnisII: yup sure does
PatrickMcGinnisII: had to cut/paste twice
PatrickMcGinnisII: hmm, cellular automata interesting for langston ants
darkhorse64: The name is as difficult as the content
PatrickMcGinnisII: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/97b7d15c-e74f-4c75-b3fb-a05e016d7b5d
PatrickMcGinnisII: https://pastebin.com/mUekmdSS
PatrickMcGinnisII: had to use safe strings w/ base 88 encoding into 800 byte chunks, so weird, but it works
PatrickMcGinnisII: sorry, just bragging on my low level solution to get data into the ide for Uttt
ktaeah69: anyone got the solution for the thor game with python 3? my code fails on the 3rd and fourth test cases, its the right code but the remaining turns finish before he reaches the light?
ktaeah69: is it possible to increase the movement instead of 1 cell per go
eulerscheZahl: share your code
eulerscheZahl: paste it here
ktaeah69: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/e1e63931-579a-43e2-a47f-9778ae2f6a7e
eulerscheZahl: you have to update thor's position
ktaeah69: ah ok! makes sense!
ktaeah69: how did u update his position?
struct: example
struct: if you go north
struct: then thor initial position -= 1
struct: if you go south it increases by 1
ktaeah69: ok cheers!
AntiSquid: my js replay downloader is broken ... error at const express = require('express'); lol
struct: For East and West you update X positon
ktaeah69: :thumbsup_tone1:
AntiSquid: it never goes north or south, forgot which
Uljahn: never N
AntiSquid: is this correct? https://www.codingame.com/services/Leaderboards/getFilteredPuzzleLeaderboard
AntiSquid: trying to call leaderboard info, will pass parameters such as league
dbdr: looks right
AntiSquid: tiny bug somewhere can't find, must sleep, Automaton2020 help
AntiSquid: Automaton2000 ?
Automaton2000: i need to test it
AntiSquid: who is the 2020 guy?
Astrobytes: Someone's typo from earlier I think
dbdr: this year's Automaton :D
Astrobytes: AutomatonXXXX, Bot of Ages
Astrobytes: Anyway, I liked euler's idea earlier of an AutomatonFAQ bot
Astrobytes: Something that would actually be useful and not just a spam-machine
eulerscheZahl: dbdr started with it today
but i remember suggesting something like that about 2 years ago when automaton was still new
eulerscheZahl: because suggesting is always easier than doing it
MSmits: questions like: Why is MadKnight asking me to go on teamviewer?
AntiSquid: OMG something is happening ! Automaton2000 you were of no use of course, as usully
dbdr: AutomatonFAQ give me a hint for CSB
Automaton2000: what's the problem with that?
eulerscheZahl: AutomatonFAQ when will get get promoted?
Astrobytes: AutomatonFAQ why can I only get 2 sims per turn
eulerscheZahl: how do i measure turn time?
AntiSquid: MSmits it's scam !
Astrobytes: So many FAQs
MSmits: hmm
eulerscheZahl: right now there are 7 hackers on your computer
eulerscheZahl: let me help you fix the problem
dbdr: AutomatonFAQ who is Automaton2020?
Astrobytes: hehehe
AntiSquid: call microsoft customer support bangladesh call center
MSmits: i had one of those calls
MSmits: you have a problem with your computer
eulerscheZahl: jim browning had an interesting video recently
MSmits: please turn on your computer
eulerscheZahl: accessing their cameras while they scam people
MSmits: cool
eulerscheZahl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le71yVPh4uk
Astrobytes: hah, excellent
AntiSquid: just add FAQ at the end of Automaton2000FAQ problem solved
Automaton2000: any idea why my code is spaghetti
AntiSquid: lol
AntiSquid: was laughing at automaton, why is there a security cam in a scam center though?
MadKnight: AutomatonFAQ: will i be able to hack MSmits via TeamViewer ?
MSmits: :P
eulerscheZahl: because cameras are always good!
MadKnight: MSmits did u read that paper ?
Astrobytes: nice eulerscheZahl, I love stuff like this
eulerscheZahl: kitboga for entertaining clips
jim browning for a deep analysis
the boss of the call center even got arrested
MSmits: what paper MadKnight?
AntiSquid: forgot how ugly the replay files can be, ugh disgustang
eulerscheZahl: some effort to parse for older games
eulerscheZahl: nightmare for SDK games
Astrobytes: Prefer deep analysis. Classic pentesting techniques here
reCurse: SDK is a step backward in many ways
MadKnight: i gave u 5 hrs ago MSmits
MadKnight: link
MadKnight: Uljahn saw that
eulerscheZahl: SDK is the way to make the platform accessible without forcing us to learn pixi
eulerscheZahl: a compromise at the cost of flexibility
eulerscheZahl: but we can write our own modules to get the full power of pixi
eulerscheZahl: i admit i never tried myself
MSmits: I went off the train then probably?
MadKnight: pixi is easy eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: i made a pixi toy project
the interactive number shifting website
MadKnight: nice
AntiSquid: will you also use Uljahn as eyewitness during your teamviewing session?
MadKnight: he can't
AntiSquid: "i crashed pc, lulz, Uljahn saw that"
MadKnight: he got paws
AntiSquid: s
Uljahn: i see what you did there :spy_tone1:
MadKnight: i didn't mean him as witness i meant he still got the link and he can re-share it
MadKnight: Uljahn MSmits needs the link give it to him
Uljahn: the link was lost in flood
MadKnight: u got history
MadKnight: didn't u open it ?
Uljahn: i've cleared my history 5 seconds ago :smiley:
AntiSquid: Uljahn is your bookmark bot ?
MadKnight: it's still somewhere in deleted files on your PC restore it Uljahn
AntiSquid: it's bugged, MadPostItNote_eacf fix it
MadKnight: rip the chat Automaton2000
Automaton2000: it really depends on what you mean
Soonies: anyone up for a clash?
MadKnight: euler
AntiSquid: i have same face expression as your cat when i see clash request in chat, Soonies
MadKnight: lol
MadKnight: did u watch terminator 6 AntiSquid ?
Astrobytes: aka "feminator 6" if you're confused
AntiSquid: no, but even this kind of youtube video is more entertaining:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=77&v=CF1t7Y91zRA
MadKnight: doesn't really bad acting of actors and super bad effects entertain u ?
Astrobytes: AntiSquid I despair
Astrobytes: MadKnight have you seen Iron Sky? 1 & 2
Istian: for you SQL masters... on conflict do nothing means if all insert targets are in conflict, or if any of the targets are in conflict, then do nothing.
MadKnight: transactions
MadKnight: Istian
AntiSquid: iron sky was great, i think 2 was boring, can't remember
Astrobytes: I liked 2, not a patch on 1 but still funny. Hope they get Bad Heidi out at some point
Astrobytes: Or Mad Heidi
Istian: MadKnight so if I have three insert targets, if i say on conflict do nothing, do all three have to conflict for it not to do anything, or will any of the 3 be enough for it not to insert?
MadKnight: any
Istian: coolbeans, thanks
Astrobytes: AntiSquid https://madheidi.com/
AntiSquid: dunno not in mood to watch
Astrobytes: check it out when you are, very much Iron Sky, same producer
AntiSquid: k screw replays, i hate the formatting too much ... time to test vs individual bots, what tools were there? cg bench and ... ugh
Astrobytes: cgbench
Astrobytes: brutaltester is local
Astrobytes: the spunk plugin one doesn't work anymore
MostComplicatedUsername: How do I do comments that are more than one line long? Commenting each line separately gets annoying
MostComplicatedUsername: Or do I just do """?
AntiSquid: is there extra delay with it ? Astrobytes
AntiSquid: can i change timeout ?
Astrobytes: with what AntiSquid?
Astrobytes: bench or brutal?
AntiSquid: bench
AntiSquid: need more time / turn if possible to test vs opponents (slow search / random weird shit strats and other reasons)
Astrobytes: No I don't believe so, it runs matches against online opoonents so.. best to use brutaltester against a bot you made
AntiSquid: oh
AntiSquid: ok then no other choice
MostComplicatedUsername: 57 seconds...
AntiSquid: no XR ref for brutal tester?
Astrobytes: ummm, check the forum?
Astrobytes: Or ask on discord, don't remember tbh
AntiSquid: cg bench it is then, test eval
Astrobytes: Think it's just a line or two that needs changing in refs to work with brutaltester, can't remember which tho
Astrobytes: Might be on the repo
AntiSquid: could diff check files
AntiSquid: i guess
Astrobytes: Anyway, I'm out, catch you later
MadKnight: struct
struct: yes?
struct: MadKnight what did you want?
MadKnight: 3am here
MadKnight: anyone still online ?
MadKnight: Automaton2000 do u see anyone ?
Automaton2000: i think its because of the time
MadKnight: struct is long gone, Automaton2000
Automaton2000: is there a reason why i don't get how this works
MadKnight: that's because u're just a bot Automaton2000
Automaton2000: when you are the gold boss
MadKnight: where is zarthaxx Automaton2000 ?
Automaton2000: is there some kind of search
MadKnight: is there some kind of Automaton2000 AutomatonNN ?
AutomatonNN: &but i can't code it
Automaton2000: why do u need jasperr, antisquid?
MadKnight: yea why don't u prefer Automaton2000 ?
MadKnight: or CSB
Automaton2000: yeah, there is a problem
MadKnight: a big problem, Automaton2000
Automaton2000: and back to the past
Le_Hue: https://www.spoj.com/problems/TRIALDIV/
Le_Hue: I am solving this problem on SPOJ and have received "Wrong anwer". How sad!! Could u give me some advice !!
Le_Hue: I've tried tests that I can figure out
Le_Hue: :cry:
BenjaminUrquhart: at least yours doesn't time out :upside_down:
miszu: QQ does using uint16 vs uint8 has a performace different in C++?
tutubalin: use uint_fast8_t
miszu: yeah I just looked it up. Looks great
miszu: my problem is how to represent all possible moves since there are 81 cells and I need to chose a random move from a bitboard
_Flippy: 9x9 ?
miszu: yeah, for uttt
_Flippy: the board ?
_Flippy: there is 18!/(2 * 9!) = 8821612800 moves
_Flippy: so it will take a lot of memory (and time) to save all moves
miszu: those are not moves but states
miszu: a move is the link between states
_Flippy: so, make a 2D list
_Flippy: and save in the links what u have to save
miszu: I try to avoid list and vector. I am aiming for speed now. I want to use bitboards and so on
_Flippy: what are the dir you can move ?
_Flippy: directions
_Flippy: I go
_Flippy: bye
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