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<img src=/a/63753462726500> mdaw: i pushed him ;)

<img src=/a/50038025798963> Phantomghoul: how do you debug?

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: with an offline IDE

<img src=/a/50038025798963> Phantomghoul: in clash of code

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: stderr

<img src=/a/50038025798963> Phantomghoul: with java....

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: System.err.println()

<img src=/a/5338452207730> NinjaDoggy: eulerscheZahl what's plan for this contest?

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: not sure

<img src=/a/5338452207730> NinjaDoggy: is it fun?

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: i'm working on something but motivation isn't too hugh

<img src=/a/5338452207730> NinjaDoggy: :(

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: i don't like the heuristic nature of the game

<img src=/a/5338452207730> NinjaDoggy: rip... DUCT not good here?

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: don't know, never used that particular algo

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: no smitsimax either?

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: well me too ~

<img src=/a/5338452207730> NinjaDoggy: I'm thinking about a smitsi, duct combo

<img src=/a/5338452207730> NinjaDoggy: but lacking motivation hard :(

<img src=/a/5338452207730> NinjaDoggy: still haven't even finished sim lmao

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: :upside_down:

<img src=/a/53561120333886> ClockSort: NinjaDoggy I've been trying DUCT all week, it's not easy on this one

<img src=/a/53561120333886> ClockSort: I tried DUCT with all 6 agents selecting their moves separately... but since you share mana and wind stacks, you don't find the best moves

<img src=/a/53561120333886> ClockSort: also, MCTS doesn't do well when you need a specific sequence of moves to win (i.e. 5 specific moves in a row to protect base)

<img src=/a/53561120333886> ClockSort: rollouts don't find long sequences very well.

<img src=/a/53561120333886> ClockSort: this contest is remarkably good for heuristics vs search... much better than 2021 Spring

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: is that a good thing?

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: hm? people were doing good in 2021

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: with heuristic as well

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: my search is somewhat working now (attacker only, defense still heuristic)
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/628985966

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: i still don' track units in fog, which makes it harder to search (i forget my future plans and can't find them anymore)

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: and it's slow
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/628986910

<img src=/a/42613726657704> Quidome: finally gold, with a defense only bot :)

<img src=/a/42613726657704> Quidome: pfff

<img src=/a/5338452207730> NinjaDoggy: ClockSort Hm... makes sense. For the first point that's why i'm thinkikng of combining Smitsimax with DUCT :P,  but for the second one, won't it just avoid states where it's necessary to find the exact sequence?

<img src=/a/5338452207730> NinjaDoggy: or does FOG ruin that part

<img src=/a/26083283518959> BenjaminUrquhart: I forgot I had cg sync until now

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: hmm 1st in gold

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: but not legend yet?

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: you will make it, ranking fluctuation is high enough

<img src=/a/64043283452801> Noyotens: why my IDE not show me errors

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: maybe... but my bot is still missing some key parts

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: (dont even watch replays, you will get upset :D)

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: I'm master mana earner and using that wind train (all heuristic) but not doing that "preparation" move...

<img src=/a/26083283518959> BenjaminUrquhart: with 2 days left, finally got around to some form of attacking https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629018888

<img src=/a/26083283518959> BenjaminUrquhart: hopefully good enough for now

<img src=/a/26083283518959> BenjaminUrquhart: submits being a pain as usual so I won't get to see where it landed for the next 3 hours

<img src=/a/26083283518959> BenjaminUrquhart: oh hey found a bug lol

<img src=/a/26083283518959> BenjaminUrquhart: fixed

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] FlyingPencilCaseAndHisDog_50cc: finally I got the right answer :)

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] FlyingPencilCaseAndHisDog_50cc: :joy:

<img src=/a/81726100871269> hiamkaito: BenjaminUrquhart how to display status like your

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: share replay

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: add " message" to your output

<img src=/a/81726100871269> hiamkaito: how to do it bro, i use C#

<img src=/a/81726100871269> hiamkaito: oh thanks jacek, i made it :blush:

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: :tada:

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Lich3243: thank :)

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Lich3243: he chung

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Lich3243: t ne

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Lich3243: :))

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] 500plus: Are there any tasks that are mainly based on mathematics? 

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Brawler_zx: yes homeworj

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Brawler_zx: *homework

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] 500plus: hate homeworks

<img src=/a/54066924332220> therealbeef: puzzles and multis have tags; you could look for puzzles with math related

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] 500plus: thx

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: :scream:

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Brawler_zx: Now coddingame also tells me to get a job lol

<img src=/a/4030238757816> geppoz: :D

<img src=/a/4030238757816> geppoz: and if you hover on it, you get: "don't fool around here mate, get a job"

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: try projecteuler.net if you like math

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Wtf

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Just woke up and im 8?

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: sweet childhood eh

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: go to bed again and see where this is going

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: How am I 8th

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: When my bot play like this

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629037127

<img src=/a/20774306904131> kovi: interesting rockpaperscissors effect on leaderboard

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: as always when the heuristic is too strong

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: reminds me a bit of BotG

<img src=/a/54404666418987> ItsNotABug: lol, your bot really decided not to take the easy win there, and kill the spider in their base with no defenders

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: am still paralized - I just found that my re-write of the last few days is rejected due to too long compile-times; it's just ~3.5s on my machine!

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: kotlin?

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: C++

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: massive use of templates?

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: how do you slow down a g++? :thinking:

<img src=/a/54066924332220> therealbeef: with templates it's not that hard, but template meta programming doesn't seem so suitable for this kind of game

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: it's templates

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: hah!

<img src=/a/79146641399080> Westicles: maybe clang++ is faster?

<img src=/a/52891227671085> jordonez: is it better 1ms turn than a 49 ms one? or is it the same meanwhile you are under 50?

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: i want to submit my new bot but i'm scared that my current rank is better than it should be and i can't climb anymore

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: I programmed an NN-driven MCTS search, where there are 6 different "towers" to drive the search. That kind of thing is best done with templates.

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: doesn't matter jordonez

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: It's not the runtime, it is the duration of the compilation - the Arena just kills the compiler.

<img src=/a/52891227671085> jordonez: thanks

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: exceed the 50ms in a single turn and you are out

<img src=/a/52891227671085> jordonez: ok

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: that sounds really complex burnpanck. if you somehow get it working to play well, i'm heavily impressed

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: and inoryy will give you a reference if you want to apply at DeepMind

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: not intersted unless they work on bioengineering certain creatures

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: reminder: codejam round 1C is starting in less than 1 hour

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: thanks for the reminder! after my fiasco here, I'm much more inclined to compete there :-)

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: its CG fiasco they cant compile your code ~

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield:  ̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤

<img src=/a/79146641399080> Westicles: would templates compile faster with -std=c++20 flag?

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: maybe not the templates themselves, but there would be less template instantiations needed mainly due to Concepts

<img src=/a/79146641399080> Westicles: well, you could try it

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: I can't set flags in the Arena, there is no #pragma for that

<img src=/a/79146641399080> Westicles: run it from bash

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: but what's the point, I have no trouble compiling my bot locally. I want to let compete in the arena, and for that I have simply no path here.

<img src=/a/79146641399080> Westicles: you can run bash in the arena

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: now that is an interesting thought 

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: is this possible for contests?

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: technically possible: sure. but might get you disqualified

<img src=/a/79146641399080> Westicles: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/20949c31-e9c6-4ffa-ae74-e5eab71fbf78

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: it's probably cheating on the "language choice" aspect

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: anything that looks like obfuscation will get you disqualfied. i don't know where exactly they draw the line

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: I guess the other problem with that approach is that then, I would have to get the compilation time down to the 1s of the first move time limit.

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: rule was introduced because of https://github.com/Agade09/CG-Send-Binary

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: compressing your NN weights is ok, as long as the rest of the code is readable

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: https://forum.codingame.com/t/new-contests-rule/2895/9

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: yeah, anyway, I would have to re-write my code utilising the C++20 goodness, and thats too much work given the uncertainty if it will help AND be accepted.

<img src=/a/54066924332220> therealbeef: for my UTTC bot i started with heavy template use for state eval, but it took 2 mins to compile even locally. in the end i still kept some of it (moving some of the compile time calc to runtime calc) to stay in the 10s compile limit, and it does give speed benefits

<img src=/a/14763281360107> Nik05: morning

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] putibuzu: @burnpanck could you elaborate what you mean with "towers" in your search? sounds interesting :) 

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/fa2e8528-076f-4e6a-9e8a-7bd6ec623892

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: each tower learns to characterise different aspects of the game: own heroes, mobs, pairing of the two, etc... 

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: I.e. the input features to the hero tower are "distance to the base", "number of mobs in wind range",..., and the outputs are "move towards enemy base", "self-shield", ... 

<img src=/a/54066924332220> therealbeef: ah, like branches in the NN?

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: the input features to the mob-hero pairing are "time needed to intercept", "is within control range", and the outputs "move toward that mob", "control that mob".

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: do you use unicode encoding

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: exactly, like branches in the NN; similar to the typical towers in deep learning, each of those branch stacks vertically in parallel layers - between each layers, there are weak bridges leaking information

<img src=/a/25666559702940> burnpanck: between the towers I mean; allowing the "hero" tower to take into account aggregated summaries over all pairings from the "mob-hero" tower. 

<img src=/a/2509638482149> _NikJ: 5th boss is random, any way to make it "replay in same conditions"?

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: nope

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: press that button many times

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: hack into its rng

<img src=/a/2509638482149> _NikJ: Can't beat this mfker

<img src=/a/2509638482149> _NikJ: all out of ideas

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: try to copy a strategy from legends

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: look at the games from global leaderboard

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: _NikJ i would reccomend trying to do 2 defenders 1 attacker

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: it works like a charm against the boss

<img src=/a/2509638482149> _NikJ: I am, MindController

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Ur attacker

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Goes to attack very late

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Try with earlier attacking

<img src=/a/2509638482149> _NikJ: I use 200 for mana thres, after that I start attacking

<img src=/a/2509638482149> _NikJ: though whenever I tried to make it smaller, I'd end up ranking worse

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: I would reccomend checking out my games

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: My strat is insanely simple to code

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: And working quite well

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: I try to use minimal amount of spells

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: 2 defend

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: and 1 attacks very early

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: wow, your resubmit is top10 again. not a fluke

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Did a few changes

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: i completely rewired my attacker, 40 ranks lower

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Did like 3 changes

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: If only using 1 change

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Im 30 ranks lower

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: If combining them all

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Well

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: This is the result

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: new strat, i win against boss, lose against my old bot..

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: mana issues

<img src=/a/64013847666734> Nerchio: rip eulerscheZahl :(

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: damn I see a lot of people were hiding their bots

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: i hide mine so well that even I don't know where it is

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: lol

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: https://wompampsupport.azureedge.net/fetchimage?siteId=7575&v=2&jpgQuality=100&width=700&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Fnewsfeed%2F002%2F244%2F642%2Fa5f.jpg

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: eulerscheZahl dont give up

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: the upper one will soon dig downwards and fall on the head of the other

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: at least that's how digging works in lemmings

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] putibuzu: @burnpanck awesome thank you :) good luck :) 

<img src=/a/4210501575817> aCat: this game is totl=al lottery

<img src=/a/4210501575817> aCat: rock paper scissors

<img src=/a/4210501575817> aCat: and metachanges and faster and faster attacks

<img src=/a/64238669570457> Dapps: its true

<img src=/a/64238669570457> Dapps: don't really see longer games at legend

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: 1d 21h 

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: Hope can be legend

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: me too ;-;

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I am around ~190 in gold

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: ...

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: i dont think im gonna make it by looking at the leaderboard the whole time it's calculating

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: pretty close 

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: i just got around 400

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: when I update it got lower score :*

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: i used my reverted old code 1week ago which cant even beat silver boss, reached top 1000 yesterday

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: i dont understand the calculation

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: I would say silver boss is strong

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: i cant beat anyone in gold with that code, but my rank keep rising

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: haha

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: i have no idea

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: you're winning the latest battles tho ?

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: i havent submitted since then

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: was around 1900-2200 globally, then yesterday suddenly popped a message, congrats to gold, then it keeps rising

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: I took a few days to improve my bot and it go from 200 to 800 :(

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: :(

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: what is going on here........

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: it happens 

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: the goal is not to beat the boss

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: and do the opposite

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: [solved]

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: but beat more people in the league than the boss

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: that version is an experimenting bot, if you check out my games, 1 of them is likely to be idle at some point

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: sometimes I wind and the mod still there?

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: does anyone face the same issue?

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: got replay?

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: did you wind it to the edge?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629159002

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: turn 63,64...

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: yes, it is the edge

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: yes it will stuck

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: cant blow it out of map

<img src=/a/4030238757816> geppoz: hero y<9000, wind y=9000 => you are pushing it towards wall

<img src=/a/4030238757816> geppoz: I suppose you should wind at same y of the hero at least

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: you are proply calculating the direction wrong, doing wind from hero perpective

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: using vector hero->destination

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: thanks, I see that

<img src=/a/82843906026552> skymount: /me

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: so it is a bug in my code :D

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: Automaton2000 where is your hero

<img src=/a/40502662118268> Automaton2000: it's not like you can do it offline

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: hmm now I'm back, still at 46th in silver (which is better than being around 700)

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I just fix it

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: need to implement more passive defends I guess

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] mesu7: hi

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: :upside_down:

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] mesu7: i am trying to solve rotating arrows problem 

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] mesu7: but my code couldn't pass the 3rd test case

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] mesu7: and i don't know why

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: Do you mean the test case "Overflow" or "Validator 3"?

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] mesu7: yes

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: No, I'm asking you which one?

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] mesu7: Overflow

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: ok. What's your current code logic

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] mesu7: can i paste my code here xd

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: yes

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: it will go to a basepin actually

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: yes if you want to, though it may help if you can explain your code logic too haha

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: See photos and price history of this 3 bed, 2 bath, 1241 Sq. Ft. recently sold home located at 17630 Maple Ave, Country Club Hills, IL 60478 that was sold ...

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: why it doesn't convert my text to a link?

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: not long enough or not enough lines

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: try 5 lines

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1cab7f60-e04c-4953-8fb9-963796fa852e

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: :D

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] mesu7: when i paste my code it says This command does not exist.

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: Does your code start with /?

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] mesu7: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/eab8e63e-2d58-4a28-ae6c-962d0a4af014

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: ok i can see your code now

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: Hmmm your code passes Overflow

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: your code doesn't pass Validator 3

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: You can look up the name of the case you fail

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] mesu7: from where

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: by clicking RESULTS and then DETAILS

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: on the left

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: The error I see is:

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading '0') at Answer.js. on line 24

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: There's only one arrow in the whole grid in Validator 3

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: Maybe your code doesn't handle that correctly

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] mesu7: yes i see the bug in my code :D

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: great!

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] mesu7: thank youu

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: yw

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Lumideus:  = 

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: how to defend when 2 monsters are far away from base and enemy sneaks into my base

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: my heroes often go out to defend so far ending my base unguarded

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: this just costs sooo soo many games

<img src=/a/54404666418987> ItsNotABug: Set max distance from base for defenders, or keep a defender with distance of known enemy?

<img src=/a/54404666418987> ItsNotABug: 2 of many options

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Zyk0: Or attack better than opponent if you don't want to change your farming/def behaviour

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: maybe u should never be too far from base

<img src=/a/4030238757816> geppoz: question: if a monster has 1 health, and 3 heroes in range, they all get mana?

<img src=/a/54404666418987> ItsNotABug: yes

<img src=/a/36336680250371> blasterpoard: geppoz yes

<img src=/a/54404666418987> ItsNotABug: monsters give mana even if health goes sub zero

<img src=/a/4030238757816> geppoz: well so i think i have to rewrite all :D

<img src=/a/4030238757816> geppoz: if i see 2 monster and i have 2 heroes

<img src=/a/4030238757816> geppoz: better go with both on one monster, then on other monster

<img src=/a/4030238757816> geppoz: instead of split :D

<img src=/a/4030238757816> geppoz: in this way I would get double mana

<img src=/a/4030238757816> geppoz: I mean in first turns, when few monsters, in farm phase

<img src=/a/4030238757816> geppoz: (well not double mana, but some more)

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: hmm 12 hours after submit, my bot went from 46 to 26 in about an hour

<img src=/a/54404666418987> ItsNotABug: yes and no. They will only get "double" on last hit, and only if health drops under 0.

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: srr too excited for a bit

<img src=/a/54404666418987> ItsNotABug: Otherwise they will just kill spider quicker, and then be left not hitting anything

<img src=/a/4030238757816> geppoz: right

<img src=/a/54066924332220> therealbeef: 20 ppl above you might have promoted, avdg

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: can be :-)

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: also I won a few of the latest matches

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: meanwhile I have to solve another math problem that I guess will help defense a bit

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: my defense was good, but its proven to be done too costly now

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: yesterday evening I solved a quite similar math problem at it helped my bot a lot it seems

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: saved a bit of mana through less mispredictions

<img src=/a/54404666418987> ItsNotABug: To get high in gold you only need very basic defence. Hit stuff to get mana, and kick stuff out of base if its a risk of taking a life. Then focus more on attack imo

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: my bot is doing that already, but it need higher precision

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: or maybe top silver is a bit hard :p

<img src=/a/54404666418987> ItsNotABug: My bot to get into gold was stupid as :D Super basic defence with no state awareness. Then send a bot up to enemy and do some simple attack work

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: what kind of math problems are u solving ?

<img src=/a/54404666418987> ItsNotABug: Working on re-writing the whole thing atm to think a bit more :D 

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: geometry

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: im quite interested in intercepting spiders where they're heading

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: couldnt figure out a way yet

<img src=/a/52891227671085> jordonez: my bot is around gold 50th with just a huge amount of "if" but i don't know how to improve it to reach legend

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: well you have to estimate where they are going

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: not that good with geometry 

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: yhyoxx I use for loop for that

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: coz I bad in math

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: hmm I've solved that problem in the previous weekend

<img src=/a/36336680250371> blasterpoard: yhyoxx just calculate spider's position on future turns in a loop and check whether you can get there within that number of turns

<img src=/a/54404666418987> ItsNotABug: track unseen spiders, keep adding vx, vy each turn until you either should have seen it, or it should be off the map. Not a heap of geometry involved

<img src=/a/36336680250371> blasterpoard: don't bother with any geometry

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: it could then already tracked invisible monsters too

<img src=/a/36336680250371> blasterpoard: just simple distance checks

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: nice 

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: (and I'm still silver :D)

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: thanks 

<img src=/a/52891227671085> jordonez: how can you track unseen spiders!?

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: memory

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: and math

<img src=/a/52891227671085> jordonez: but if you dont have seen them, how do you know they even exist?

<img src=/a/23956705948685> Uljahn: symmetry

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: u cant then

<img src=/a/54404666418987> ItsNotABug: You have to have seen them once to know position and "un-affected" route. But other option is not to :D 

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: or that

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: though my math wasn't perfect

<img src=/a/52891227671085> jordonez: ah ok

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: I solved the problem part I couldn't solve with brute force math

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: so it might do up to around 20 guesses, but they are relative rarely needed

<img src=/a/25131813219979> tugrul512bit: what problem?

<img src=/a/25131813219979> tugrul512bit: I like brute force

<img src=/a/25131813219979> tugrul512bit: link pls

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: no

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: it's geometry problems, and the loops mostly involve when a bot think it's possible when it isn't

<img src=/a/25131813219979> tugrul512bit: was performance problem with brute force?

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: my bot does mostly all the work in a fraction of a ms

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: and the bruteforce was I believe a multiply and compare

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: which is basically almost the fast thing a cpu can do (besides adds and binary shifts/rotation/etc)

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: well all that matters is the problesm you want to solve and see if you have enough data and resources to get there

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: if only I had a bot as strong as I've now 2 days back I would have been chilling in legend league right now.. more the time more harder for climbing the ladder as everyone are getting stronger

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: cegprakash but the boss is not getting stronger

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: so isnt climbing to legend the same?

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: it isn't

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: meh, the bot behaves sometimes like a traffic jam

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: it can block very smart bots that are not capable to beat the ai

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: coz climbing the ladder against 10 different strategies is harder than just beating the boss

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: MindController

<img src=/a/36336680250371> blasterpoard: it gets easier with time, because people are optimizing against boss and pushign its rating lower than it should be

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: or sometimes good bots that are not high enough to fight the boss

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: boss is now 30+

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: he was in 28.5

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: cegprakash boss was always 30+

<img src=/a/36336680250371> blasterpoard: the boss is #55 in legend, that tells you how many people already got to legend even though they don't really belong there

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: ppl pushed the boss up

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: they didnt

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: meaning ppl don

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: the day legend came out

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: don't care about beating the boss much 

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: boss was 29.5

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: It is way easier to climb now

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Cause u only have to optimize against boss

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: if u beat boss, u beat 90% of gold

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: the ratings of both leagues are disconnected I guess

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: the score only represents a relative number to everyone in the same group

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: There is no way

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: If u have >60% wr against boss, that u cant get out of gold

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: wr?

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: winrate

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: you still have to float on top of the other ai's

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: but I can't say if gold is hard/easier than top silver

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: cegprakash only win 1 out of 5 fights against the boss

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: there is no wonder he cant get out of gold

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: without winning consistently against boss

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: hmm just checked my brute force again, it has a Math.sqrt in it :p

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: they are still in even after I use a lot of alternative methods where possible

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: I only use 5 sqrts but I have added some more math stuff so I can get rid of 1

<img src=/a/80884281764474> peerdb: @Eaglewind make sure to select Codam as your school also in the challenge please and thank you

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: control can only force 1 turn, is that correct?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: this mean we only control the hero 1 move?

<img src=/a/4030238757816> geppoz: y

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: thanks

<img src=/a/4030238757816> geppoz: care that is the next one, not the current

<img src=/a/4030238757816> geppoz: means: he will do the move he output when you output your control, then your control is the move in the next turn

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: thanks

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: Hope I can move to legend with update on controll

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: 0.01 from gold boss... I wont make my fixes before reaching legend

<img src=/a/44036705103292> barbora: :clap:

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: nice one VizGhar!

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: I'm legend :D astro I won't buy my student the laptop :D

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: tnx barbora

<img src=/a/23956705948685> Uljahn: :tada:

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: lol VizGhar! did he/she make it to legend or still in gold?

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: still gold and he cant improve

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: ah, your wallet is safe :rofl:

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: still, well done to him for trying

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: he's damn good/lucky haven't expected such performance from high schooler

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: Yeah, that's awesome. A future talent I hope. Buy him a rubber duck for debugging purposes :D

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: did you have a bet: if student beats you, you buy him a laptop?

<img src=/a/81726100871269> hiamkaito: :joy:

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: eulerscheZahl exactly

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: well, many hours to improve and then go down from 200 to 800

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: that's a risky bet

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: eulerscheZahl so a student punches him and he gets a laptop? i wish i had a teacher like that

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: then I revert and do small improve and rank around 100 I think

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: jacek: :rofl:

<img src=/a/81726100871269> hiamkaito: me too, from 93 to 593 idk why :joy:

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: except you would beat the teacher

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: Ram death should not suggest such things, some of his class are really good

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: + Konstant a 's class

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: grats vighar

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: viz*

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: :thumbsup: from now on, legend in every contest :)

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: all 0 we are currently expecting?

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: :(

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: you really think so euler?

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: if so then yes... all 0 

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: hard to tell

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: But this time they didnt even add more servers

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: at least it feels like it

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: i have no idea what to expect. just couldn't resist the :salt:

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: we really need this / or simillar web... is there any other such nice platform?

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: I added extra salt in your honour when cooking my noodles yesterday euler

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: blasphemia

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: :D

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: ceg I think you are wrong, people keep submiting on gold and passing to legend easily

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: my case ^^

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: there are some other websites but none that can really compete with CG

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: topcoder has nice optim contests. but the usability of the website is a mess

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: you also have bomberland

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: but docker

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: or w/e the game was called

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: but some real prizes at topcoder. like a trip to the USA instead of a canvas with artwork

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: yeah, CG were the cream of the crop when it comes to quality

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: RAIC: no idea about the future

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: yeah, that's a sad one

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: halite: dead

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: LuxAI: on kaggle, with few battles and limited languages i think

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: though they have bigger plans

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: their contests are always so long

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: riddles: died years ago

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: aigaming: no idea why i even mention it

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: theaigames disappeared too didn't it

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: riddles was done by theaigames staff

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: oh right

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: that explains that then

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: ok, time to remake my bot

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: https://www.gocoder.one/blog/ai-game-competitions-list

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: 2 attackers or 1 to cheese gold?

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: 3

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: :/

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: it is indeed 2|1 is indeed 3

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: wtf

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: am i writing

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: indeed yes indeed

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I just woke up sorry

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: indeed

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: eeyup

<img src=/a/54066924332220> therealbeef: CG has gold in their hands. how can they not make good profit on this? if you see the amount of money companies spend on recruiting and events... and they don't even do advertisements yet.

<img src=/a/54066924332220> therealbeef: i don't get it

<img src=/a/4367050238110> [CG]Keelhaul: We do it from the pureness of our hearts

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: And it's very much appreciated. But you make it very hard on yourselves

<img src=/a/36336680250371> blasterpoard: this site should have a premium subscription for extra 20ms per turn, faster submits and skipping wood

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: hey Keelhaul, out of interest: are you an intern? i think i saw you as a regular user without [CG] years ago

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: skipping wood :D

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: 10 free medals on sign up

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Skipping wood this time was easy

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: the boss codes were public

<img src=/a/4367050238110> [CG]Keelhaul: I was recruited a couple months back :)

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: undercover

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: :)

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: oh, congratulations

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: are*

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: yeah congrats

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: good luck with your career

<img src=/a/54066924332220> therealbeef: i'd pay for 'premium', even without competitive benefits :)

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: i still remember you from the hypersonic contest, we finished close to each other in the end

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: even a 'donate what you can afford' would bring in money

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: if you accept something else than credit cards

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: German banking system is a nightmare when you want to transfer abroad

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/2c12f15e-b20c-4a14-a99e-8fdb8e371e97

<img src=/a/4367050238110> [CG]Keelhaul: Thank you ;)
As for money, our main resource revenue is from https://www.codingame.com/work/
Community won't became P2W^

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: oh I chatted too long

<img src=/a/4367050238110> [CG]Keelhaul: Hypersonic was one of my few Lengend leaugue, that was a fun one :p

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: yeah we know about CG for Work

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: how does the work thing work

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: my first CG contest. came back years later to play it properly

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: IvesL: follow the link, it's explained

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: the work thing is recruiting tests

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: and internal team building events

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: passing tests is 1 thing, having a stable company is another thing :p

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: the company I worked for then was growing too fast

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: so it became inflexible when the economy shifted drastically

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: the story of many a company

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: meh it was a company where managers recruited people and basically put them on where was work

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: just big scale

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: salary and benefits were nice though there

<img src=/a/54066924332220> therealbeef: managers....

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: yeah, managers only placed you and they expect you to deliver

it works better than expected though if your final customer knows how to deal with it

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: so basically the managers just collection tasks and distribute them

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: the system breaks when the manager has to do some it stuff/decision at the customer

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: Can't be CG platform (contests) sponsored by EU grants or something? It's AI everybody want AI experts

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: any new rules in silver, gold or legend league? or same as bronze

<img src=/a/23956705948685> Uljahn: same

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: ow I silently promoted to gold

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: is it possible to miss WIND spells, because it is cast after the move phase?

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: you can't move and cast at the same time

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: but you can be moved

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: just looking at a game, and my heroes double cast wind on a monster, but only 1 hits

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629311632

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: is this the best defense?

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: no, but the monsters move

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Look how my attacker defends the opponent at the end

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: This might turn into meta

<img src=/a/82686047998725> fcil: hii

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: wind is step 6, monster move is step 7

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: i personally wont aim at 0,0

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: lets say you cast WIND on a monster, but during the turn you cast it, they move out of range

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: to prevent such scenario

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: oh you're right. i cant read

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: yeah ill aim based on angle soon

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: turns out i didnt have mana for 1 of the casts

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: you miss the  my_mana -=10

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: guess you have to keep track of how much mana you spend during a turn yeah

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: yeah mana buffer is important

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: my bot does keep track which moves are being played

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: so it always knows (for at that point of time) how much mana is spend

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: it doesn't flush moves out directly

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] DustinNunyo: I am starting to suspect that this boss AI in mad pod racing just strait up has a faster ship than me...

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: :D

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: oO

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: the ai paid premium

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: lol

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I feel the same when I play my bot vs top 3

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: what is the right way to debug? say i want to see a particular monsters' stats such as shield_life

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: during the game. mouseover only shows limited info

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: print to stderr

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: probably the best way to debug, for code you can control, is to split up properly

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: the debug approuch depends on your situation

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: here, probably stderr or chat comments

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: but you would have to print out so much to stderr. in a debugger you can just see current variable values

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: all the stats for all the entites on screen basically

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: if you have a working simulation, you can take all the information for a turn and run it offline

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: but you still have to print that info to stderr, or download a replay

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: you can dump state if you are only interested in frames

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: not sure what you mean

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: wouldnt that be printing out every variable on every frame

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: just stderr the stdin you get

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: then you can reply without sim

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: just reply on recording

<img src=/a/26367790351026> Counterbalance: i just print the bot input to stderr, copy-paste the starting input and turn input to a local file, and then run the bot in VS with debug commandline argument < in.txt

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] DustinNunyo: How might one go about viewing shared code on these mini games? or is that something that isn't allowed?

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: yeah i'm still working entirely in the in-browser ide

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: well it doesn't have a debugger, so unless you do what was stated above you're stuck with stderr only

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: sharing codes? :scream:

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: alright, thanks

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: np

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: damn boss 4 is a lot harder.. controlling my heroes out of the base when monsters are nearing it

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: that moment when u finally enter top 10 then u lose 10 games in a row

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: my legend dream keeps vanishing

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: are double wind casts on monster that will damage the base next turn a waste? is it better to just use 1 cast at a time

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: the sum of all wind vectors is taken in that case

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: yes

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: that's why you have goally ai

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: but i'm asking if you should even double cast wind for defense

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: it depends

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: monster also change target once outside the radius

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: i get the feeling its better to save the mana and cast it again later if they get close again

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: hoh, now I'm in gold, I'm questioning myself how this game would be if they introduced boosters

<img src=/a/44601741841370> Zaphus: Hmm, I've only lost 5 out of 30 games from this run - and in 5 of those I was playing as red...  going to have to check my code for hardcoded stuff  :slight_smile:

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: (so with boosters, the heroes are temporary faster for a few turns)

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: my heroes randomly dont use wind when they should wtff

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: too big decision trees I guess

<img src=/a/1731941853736> FrancoisB: Never gonna let you down Zaphus

<img src=/a/62975800305095> IvesL: @avdg i suggest implementing levelling system, heroes that have killed enough monsters could level up to unlock different spells, or improve attributes

<img src=/a/1731941853736> FrancoisB: is it me or it's taking ages to submit, I don't recall it being so slow in the last few years

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: need more fan and dust cleanup in the servers

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: Blasterpoard MindController can I get a replay with 1 of u guys?

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I'll watch it till my submit ends :P

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: me vs u guys

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: look it up on the leaderboard ceg

<img src=/a/36336680250371> blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629401681

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: ^^ dammmn

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: oh, you're still gold, my bad

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: thxx

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: this submit most likely take me legend

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I fixed an if statement in my attacker

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: good luck :)

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: okay i just realized we have to print commands in order of heroes 0, 1, 2....

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: i sorted them :cold_sweat:

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I only sort enemy heroes never my heroes :P 

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I never had the need for it.. I dedicate my 0th index hero for attacker, 1 and 2 index for defence 

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: can entities be pushed by wind & controlled on the same turn?

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: they are normally separate steps I guess

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: say u print control on turn X Djellowman, the immediate turn monster just stops moving.. only the next turn it moves to the destination you give it.

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: when it stops moving wind still works.

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: but when it's moving to the destination you give it overrides the wind

<img src=/a/2509638482149> _NikJ: ah cegprakash, soo close bro :D

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I mean if u wind a controlled unit on immedate turn it works, on the control movement wind won't work 

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: so if i cast control, the monster wouldn't move that turn..? i think it still moves. but it will move in the controlled direction next turn. shouldnt that stack with a wind cast the next turn?

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: oh wait.. 

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: yes it should stack

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: what am I speaking

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: and yes it still moves

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: wind is an AOE spell and not a targetted spell

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: targetted spell gets overridden by control

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: for example a shield on a control

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: or a move on a control

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: move action is also kind of targetted action so it gets overridden

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: huh

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: you can't cast shield on controlled targets?

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: i think you can. just if shield & control get cast the same turn, the shield cast will do nothing i think

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: could be wrong, but thats how i interpret the docs

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: or it could be that the control still gets executed next turn, and the shield will also still be applied next turn

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: CONTROL - Override the target's next action with a step towards the given coordinates.

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: meaning if it's a move or a shield whatever is the action it'll override and CONTROL will take place

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: even in order of priority CONTROL gets the first prio Djellowman

<img src=/a/75480226748956> 44AA44: Why do people not like the bots in clash of code

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: what do u mean by bots

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: 44AA44

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: There is no way to make the win push less than 2200 units right ?

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: wind*

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: only if you push against a wall

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: cegprakash yet, but being blown away or shielded by another entity is not an action of the target entity

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: yes*

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: it overrides the entity's  own actions

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629436663

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: ...i imagine

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: why hero is pushed but monster isn't ? turn 75/76

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629436663

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: does anyone know why?

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: why is a game against yourself not completely symmetrical until the end?

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: LOL HoriMiyamura :D looks like bug

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: Djellowman, one is on ide, one is arena, they aren't the same

<img src=/a/36336680250371> blasterpoard: heroes move before winds happen, no bug there

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: aha right

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: yeah

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I just see that

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: HoriMiyamura i'm not sure what you mean. if you play against yourself it should be a symmetrical game

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: no the one in my ide is editable

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: you never done that before?

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: regarding the game; yeah the hero moves into range before wind gets cast, and then the monster moves into range

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: yes it is editable in the sense that you can select an opponent. if the oppont is yourself, the game should always be drawn, no?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: no, there are 2 case that can cause the game not symetric

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: 1./ The one on IDE is different code from the one on Arena, which is my case

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: 2./ when the algorithm isn't deterministic

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: so they are not the same bots then

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: yup

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: i don't see a reason to introduce nondeterminism in these bots

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: case 2 is same bot, but they run random algorithm

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: since they started out mirrored, i was surprised that the result wasn't a draw

<img src=/a/82245887911953> Djellowman: ah i see, so you did make them nondeterministic

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: At lot of bot Algo are nonditerministic, although we tend to use a seed to make it deterministic

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: but it may depend on how you code your solution.

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: the replay is about case 1: 2 bots with different source code

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: If I send a 0 HP monster into the enemy base does that do damage ?

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: sent by wind

<img src=/a/36336680250371> blasterpoard: no

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: Can we do that?

<img src=/a/53561120333886> ClockSort: blasterpoard are you using a search alg or just heuristics?

<img src=/a/53561120333886> ClockSort: it's crazy how well your approach works :D

<img src=/a/36336680250371> blasterpoard: you would probably call it depth 1 search with a sort of cheat-like evaluation that substitutes deeper simulation

<img src=/a/36336680250371> blasterpoard: but that's just heuristics, isn't it?

<img src=/a/2509638482149> _NikJ: so basically, dark magic?

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: Do we have anygroup discuss about the strategy for this game on discord?

<img src=/a/36336680250371> blasterpoard: after the contest, there will be postmortems on the forum

<img src=/a/81933981049265> GlaceCoding: :eyes:

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: I know, just want to know if currently we have one

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: I am struggling to legend

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: _NikJ yea dark magic

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: there is one on the CG discord yes, and a bug report thread in the forum, plus the webchat here

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Currently there is a thread to report bugs but thats about it

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: https://discord.com/channels/466965651135922206/966605784781836348

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I need to finish my bot, ping me if anyone misbehaves

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: during contests there will be some level of strategy talk, but the potential winning players wont at shouldnt give away the gold nuggets until after contest is over

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: np struct

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: also oi

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: hi and bye

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: xD

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: hiya Scarfield

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: :wave:

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I see you got in legend

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: well, I am stuck ...

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: nice

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: who astro?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: TichHuyen which league are you in?

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: I'm in gold

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: I am in gold

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: didnt you get legend Scarfield?

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: I am in gold

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: My last submit is around 100 in gold

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: nope

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: oh my bad

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: i have an imposter :o

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I thought you did

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: but any improve from me make it worse

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: Scaryfield

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: TichHuyen look at what top players do and try to copy their strategy

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Can give tips on my strat

<img src=/a/81933981049265> GlaceCoding: triple wind with 2 heroes…

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I currently use 1 attacker and 2 defenders

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: my attacker is mediocre at best

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: and im top 100 gold

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: should I look the tops on Lengend or just the top on gold?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Top legend

<img src=/a/81933981049265> GlaceCoding: legend

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: or people that are about to get promoted on gold

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: 1 attack 2 defend

<img src=/a/2703903845691> Whiskee: I lose like 100% of the matches against triple defender and double  attacker and I'm still second in gold

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Is very easy to code

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: maybe i will get there tomorrow, but doubt it :'(

<img src=/a/2703903845691> Whiskee: don't try to counter everything

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: if they have a big lead

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: And works quite well

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: my attacker doesnt even farm

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: at the start

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: it just stays still for 40 turns xD

<img src=/a/2703903845691> Whiskee: I think I had a match against you when you were still doing 3 defenders

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: probably

<img src=/a/2703903845691> Whiskee: I hate those walls, I gave up trying to win at points

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: the code i have scrambled together for this contest is the ugliest code i have made in a long time

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: if code is like that I gues

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: I use 2 def 1 att, so I think I should find the same strategy

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I can describe my AI

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Opponents heroes dont exist

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: If I cant see a spider it doesnt exist

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: If close to base I wind it

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: thats it

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: o0

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: 0o

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: very the same as me

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I dix fix the wind so I aim based on spider pos

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: My only differnce

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: on the attacker

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Is i sometimes control enemy hero when attacking

<img src=/a/57774109997186> Miki09: struct you use 2 def + 1 att?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: yes

<img src=/a/57774109997186> Miki09: And what place r u?

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: so we are same on this point too

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: 90 gold

<img src=/a/57774109997186> Miki09: O.O

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: do you use control?

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Miki09

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: no

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Im using 1 attacker 2 deffenders

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I only use wind

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Im 4th in legend

<img src=/a/57774109997186> Miki09: lol

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629474451

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: my attacker stays still for 40 turns

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: the last submit I am around 100 gold too

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: as you can see

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: I stay for 50turns

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Anyways I need to go back to coding, cya all later and gl

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: we are quite the same :D

<img src=/a/57774109997186> Miki09: strcut should I inspire from fact that you dont use shield and u r 90 in gold?

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: I use shield and wind and now 100 gold

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: gl :)

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Miki09 no shield rank 4 legend

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Miki09 I just copy others strategy

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: add control and everything stucked

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I dont see many at the top using shield

<img src=/a/57774109997186> Miki09: Ok I'll inspire :-)

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: I will try remove my shield

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: when you wind a spider its like 5.5 turns of movement

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Which is a lot

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Shield is sometimes good on attacking

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: But its hard to make it effective

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: if I have 2 defenders attacking a shielded spider its 20 damage

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: but some time you wind opponent too?

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: I wish I could copy other people's strats

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: And I get mana for that

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: ah

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I think Wind is better value than shield

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: remove shield should be good

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: because you can wind multiple but can only shield one

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: TobiasA what's stopping u

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: I cast shield too much and it wastes my mana

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Unless you are using shield very late

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: oh, very nice

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I dont think its worth to cast a shield on a spider if the dist and health == N

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: my mental capability:smiley:

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: then I can use shield at very late, you make a lot of insight view, thanks

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: some math formula should do it

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: But I can be totally wrong

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I think it should called inspire view..

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: :(

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I never tried to use shield on spiders

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I am going to implement your propose

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Its just

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: as I am stuck at 100 gold for now

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: If ur planning to use control on enemy defenders

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Its sometimes more effective to use shield

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Yes needs to  be a mix of both

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: but when does it become better than wind?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Probably hard to say

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: When out of wind range

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: :)

<img src=/a/14488393339187> Enknable: also if the enemy is going to cast a spell that will do some critical thing, control cancels it

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: oh nice

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Thanks for the idea

<img src=/a/14488393339187> Enknable: ..i thnk lol

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Enknable but the problem is

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: U newwd to guess 2 turn into future

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: you need to see 2 turns ahead

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: yeah

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: So its just easier

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: To shield

<img src=/a/57774109997186> Miki09: Am I cursed if I have my_players={} instead of my_players=[] ?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Thanks MindController

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: You gave me an idea

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: :D

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: hard to close chat when so much ideas are given

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: I can also give u even better idea

<img src=/a/14488393339187> Enknable: true. Unless you think of it like: If I can interrupt 2/4 of his casts

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Dont afk on first turns

<img src=/a/14488393339187> Enknable: its worth the missed casts

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: :)

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: :D

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: I also have a lot of idea

<img src=/a/14488393339187> Enknable: but def a good point tho

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: and adding them make my bot go down :(

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Thanks again for all the tips, I will close the chat for real this time

<img src=/a/2509638482149> _NikJ: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629484821, turn 65-67, why did monster 41 (top left base) get stuck? o.O

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Ur pushing from the perspective of your hero, but not the monster

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: U need to change the wind

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: to push from monster to base

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Not from hero to base

<img src=/a/2509638482149> _NikJ: as in, I need to change condition on which I use wind?

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Nope

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: U need to change

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: map edges inside bases are "sticky", monsters cant leave borders when inside bases, if they hit a wall, they stop there

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: The wind coordinates

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Tip: conditions doesnt change

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: The wind coordinates changes

<img src=/a/2509638482149> _NikJ: ah, I keep it simple, if my base is 0,0 I wind at map_width, if I'm at map_width, I wind at 0,0 xd

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: wind direction is difference in position of monster and op base, still simple ;)

<img src=/a/53561120333886> ClockSort: people are very generous with their ideas and algs -- thanks :)

<img src=/a/81726100871269> hiamkaito:  Can i change my base in "Play my code" button?

<img src=/a/53561120333886> ClockSort: hiamkaito no

<img src=/a/2509638482149> _NikJ: Yeah, MindController helped me very much with some ideas (basically, KISS - keep it simple, stupid)

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: hiamkaito you can change which player you play as

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] stolyaroleh: Yes, you have to delete both players and then assign yourself to the right one, hiamkaito

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: if thats what you are asking

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: yes hiamkaito, left of play my code, you can see the players, delete both, and put yourself as player 2 and whoever as player 1

<img src=/a/53561120333886> ClockSort: ok, so I was wrong :)

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Zyk0: You're still there struct

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: isn't that you said you would close the chat struct?

<img src=/a/53561120333886> ClockSort: lol

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: and you still here

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: sry, im out

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: :D

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: he can't help it :D

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: xD

<img src=/a/81726100871269> hiamkaito: Thanks all , i'll try:kissing_heart:

<img src=/a/53561120333886> ClockSort: my goal is to type more chars of source code than chars into chat

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: What does CG use for showing games on the canvas?

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: pixi.js

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: :thumbsup: tnx Astro

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: np

<img src=/a/75557505655318> ntsd: I win the gold boss but I can't pass 1000 players in the gold league.

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: my new bot beat the account that above the boss and still stick around 400

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] stolyaroleh: overfitting?

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: not sure

<img src=/a/75557505655318> ntsd: Yep the strategy create for the boss only lol

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: but yes, it just doesn't work with others

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: overfit on everybody then "D

<img src=/a/57774109997186> Miki09: hello VizGhar

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: hello Miki09

<img src=/a/23956705948685> Uljahn: hello Automaton2000

<img src=/a/40502662118268> Automaton2000: you can try to make it easy to use

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: as Automaton2000 says... just a few ifs and you are good to go

<img src=/a/40502662118268> Automaton2000: it's not gonna be a good way

<img src=/a/57774109997186> Miki09: Automaton2000 are you in legend league?

<img src=/a/40502662118268> Automaton2000: so you want to take a break and come back to that

<img src=/a/57774109997186> Miki09: Automaton2000 You are so smart

<img src=/a/40502662118268> Automaton2000: if you want to learn the basics first

<img src=/a/57774109997186> Miki09: ok

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Automaton2000 not participating in this contest?

<img src=/a/40502662118268> Automaton2000: now i just need to look up

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: I am thinking could I use my super power to go to legend

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] rockyyyyyyy123: Im new to here

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: like I look the leaderboard and then bang

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: I am legend

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: but I am not sure If my super power is strong enough to do that?

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: and can it be before the contest end?

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: hi new to here

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: heh. heh. ugh, but welcome rockyyyyyyy123 :)

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629501673 what to do with this 3 def :(

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: TichHuyen u couldve done 1 damage at frame 120

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: If u just walked up

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: And wind monster again

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: Instead of shield

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: well I've tried to add that but other things break

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: but I would try again then

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] rockyyyyyyy123: Hello scarfield

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: here for the contest?

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: for the protest

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: you are a pro tester arent you

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: jacek who are we protesting against?

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: contesters

<img src=/a/75022708430709> Kururugi: i am gonna protest against protestors

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: I must contest your protest

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: is this a sign?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: https://i.imgur.com/Mfexnr2.png

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: :'(

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: bye struct, thanks for your service

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: lol not again

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: I've reached legend and I've lost interest immediately... is this normal? :D

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: no

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: it is not normal

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: grats though :)

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: do you still owe a pc?

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: depends on the game

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: usually it's not normal but this time i am with you

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: you should: I've been legend, then now I will get CG Tshirt

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: This is the normal

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: there are no new designs, are there?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I don't know

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: but we should have T shirt if in top 20 right?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I've never had one

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: mission "win a tshirt for struct to consolidate him for the deleted account"

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: so...

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: oh

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: lol

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: yes, top20 are the tshirt ranks

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: struct said that?

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: *console not consolidate eulerscheZahl

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I will get legend

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: We trust you struct, you can do it!

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: There is no way I cant improve my bot

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: or "as consolation for his deleted account"

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: Scarfield no I dont owe... student didn't break me

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: my bug code currently computing 38% and rank 7x in gold

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: oh, consolidate is what CG and coderpad did?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: is this mean my fixed-bug code would be much higher?

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: consoling might consolidating him

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: in that they consolidated their resources I guess, yes

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: i memorized that vocabulary wrong, thanks for pointing it out

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: a little better every day

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: np, I am always happy to improve your English :D

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: (no trolling, tell me when i write nonsense)

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: nice VizGhar, also i kinda rooted for your student though :p

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: haha 

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: understandable

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: Always do :)

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: I would too

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: (I always tell you I mean)

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: a private teacher for free

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: knowledge is free, if I can share it and it's useful then :tada:

<img src=/a/75022708430709> Kururugi: how do i share a replay from my last battles? Is there a way to create the replay link?

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: if gold is this competitive I wonder how legend league would be right now

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: there would be 50 strats from 200 ppl

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: but seriously this gold boss seems like a bot from legend

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: um... technically it is

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: gold boss is just wind spammer

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: it won't even let me get mana it just keeps attacking

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: because no bot for legend :D

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I'm not really worried about the gold boss

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: maybe if you were you'd be in legend

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: Use the REPLAY AND SHARE button just below the replay, Kururugi

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: it's the top 300 in gold I'm worried about lol so many strats here with almost 2000 ppl in gold

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: legend is a zoo as well

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: we need a Ultra legend league

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: -_-

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: 2 atts :(

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: quiz for the veterans: which quote did i modify?

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: "multiplayer is a zoo"

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: :A

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: point for Astro

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: "Germany is a zoo" ?

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: or just convert all current leages 1 tier lower make Bronze2 as Bronze 3, Legend as gold so we have one more league

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: only 20 should be in legend not 200

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: at least at this point

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: no, we are an inclusive community now

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: and heursitic games always have more legend players

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: I remember when early for this contest, I submit the default code that "WAIT" all the time

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: and go to wood1

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: phew :cold_sweat: i'm giving up on this contest i'll try to get to legend like next year

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: why next year?

<img src=/a/4970026385060> Lysk: yeah that waiting is the sadest part

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: how about the other challeng in next 6 months?

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: TobiasA don't give up with just 1 day to go + sleep time

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: dont expect a bot contest next year though. not that i wont to poke that hornets nest of a discussion, just saying there might not be one TobiasA

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: That's how long I usually procrastinate cg games that stress me

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: <incoming salty hornets>

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: I believe CG can only get better after this:slight_smile:

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: (or salted? :thinking: )

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: i hope

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: I really like the bot contests on CG, why you procrastinate it?

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: If this challenge have 4 time a year, then I will participate actively

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: I like them too by procrastinate I mean I do other ones then come back to that one later

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: umm

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: that's called "putting it on the back burner"

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] TichHuyen: I also play on the last few days

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: yea I put it on the back burner

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: some people work better when not under time pressure, its for fun. to each their own way of having fun :)

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: like, downgrading its priority

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: I got lazy and curmudgeony about this one, still sitting in silver with basically a bunch of if/else's and a pythagorean function

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: curmudgeons unite

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: no trig and never touched vx or vy

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: no nn or minimax or graph theory or anything like that

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: you can sit in gold or legend with that if you improve your ifs

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: or else?

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: my money's on the ifs :P

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: or else what?

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: see that's all I was going for. Still need to up my mana farming but without letting the big guy's touch my base in the last half or third of game

<img src=/a/2157829775470> Jazzcript: Hi, is there any way  select player from legend, when at gold league?

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: hell maybe even rearranging the order of all the if/elses, I'm always changing my mind or watching a game I lose and trying to address that one reason I lost that one time

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: No, unless you request a replay from someone in legend and you are top 1000

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: I can beat the Boss in IDE but doesn't seem to help me in arena/leaderboard

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: can't find Jazzcript as opponent in selection

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: watch a bunch of games and try to generalise the reasons for the losses

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: the opponent selection is such a 5% feature, useless for the rest

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: trolling aside, for CSB you really can't select that many players percent-wise

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: indeed

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: indeed yes indeed

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: struct would indeed confirm

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: 1 == 2 or whatever he said

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: yes indeed 1 | 2 = 3 indeed

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: or w/e

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: :rofl:

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: i dumped my search bot, too many flaws. now i'm around 30 again while search was bottom of the league :tear:

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: :'

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: no emoji?

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: :crying:

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: :'(

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: :cry:

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: dammit

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: that one

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: :frog:

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: missing a (

<img src=/a/73294709815061> Scarfield: : ' ( :'(

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: at the end

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: somehow i expected :sob: for : cry :

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: :sweat:

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: turn on your air conditioning jacek

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: you have air conditioning?

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: No.

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: i have a fan for hot summer days

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: Same.

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: me too

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: a fan

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: It broke though. Thankfully summer in Scotland isn't very hot

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: I am in Arizona, if I didn't have air conditioning over here I might not actually survive the summer

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: Well, not thankfully, I miss the nice weather

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: i also have a lot of fans on CG. broke the 1000 mark now

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: ba-dum-tsss

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: he's here all week folks

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: a sheep, a drum and a snake fall down a cliff. da-dum-tsss

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: :laugh:

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: *baa-dum-tsss

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: oh FFS

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: the sheep was so surprised for falling first, that it only got out a "ba"

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: it was a "da"

<img src=/a/60413902297900> '''**Astrobytes awaits the excuses'''

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: ta-da

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: falling from high floor - aaaa bam
falling from lower floow - bam aaaa

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: https://giphy.com/gifs/family-guy-fox-family-guy-foxtv-3o6ZtpRoYe9wbyfcBi

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] -Banana: haha

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: :D

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: not gonna click *that* one

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: i know the last 3 letters

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: in fact, never gonna click that one

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: :D you already know by url? mg :D

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: yep

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: how?

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: you

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: there is a guy totally dedicated about rickrolling

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: I have to shorten it

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: yeah? where?

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: once invested $1500 to show the video as a youtube ad

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: lol, that is some dedication right there

<img src=/a/82217880354500> VizGhar: oh... well, he buys it so

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: and paid a sky writer to draw it over the superbowl stadium

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: someone has too much money

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq8JexGCZEo&ab_channel=TheTekkitRealm

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: i'm pretty sure he gets that money back with youtube range on his channel

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: how about next contest about rick rolling :thinking:

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: he also likes to get hired by companies just to mess around and get fired. e.g. as a tictoc moderator

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: once he got hired by indian scammers to build them a new website. and he just deleted all of it

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: omg that's awesome

<img src=/a/59288125027693> dusk_sd: chad

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: guy's got some style lol

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] AmbF: For the Spring Code Challenge (python), i get issues where i'm not correctly reading the input data even though i'm not removing any input. Any ideas why?

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: extra output perhaps, maybe printing something to stdout that isn't the 3 required lines

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: or an extra newline, etc 

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: make sure any debug printing goes to stderr

<img src=/a/5392215379325> GalvaBart: @AmbF did you check the starter code on github?

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] AmbF: Ah i see what i did wrong now thanks !

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: :)

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] AmbF: Yes yes i was just moving AND doing a spell

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] AmbF: Totally forgot about the output limit

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: good catch :)

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] AmbF: thanks

<img src=/a/5392215379325> GalvaBart: I forgot to print SPELL and was wondering why my wind command was crashing XD

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: How close should I let monsters before using wind spell ?

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: 42

<img src=/a/5392215379325> GalvaBart: Range is 2200 I think

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: wind range is 1280, shield and control are 2200

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: at the section spells you got a range

<img src=/a/5392215379325> GalvaBart: oops no, it's 1280

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: wind is 1280

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: All entities (except your own heroes) within 1280 units are pushed 2200 units in the direction from the spellcaster to x,y.

<img src=/a/79146641399080> Westicles: do you get double xp/cp for contest leagues then later the multi?

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: I am guessing he means how close to the base should he let them get before winding them away

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: not anymore

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: lol indeed

<img src=/a/5392215379325> GalvaBart: Will this bot challenge be available after the event?

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: yes

<img src=/a/5392215379325> GalvaBart: awesome

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: ahh who knows. if they are even in my base and unshielded, I like to yeet them out of the base if possible, I'd rather get wild mana while hitting them if possible

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: it will move to compete->bot programming

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: might take 2 or 3 days until you can play it again

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: Yeah how close to my base should I let them be

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: or is it sponsored and won't come back? no idea actually

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: I feel like I am over using wind spell to defend my base

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/31f603fe-f3fe-4ea4-ab7d-cae07dffcd88

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: Dollar it depends on strat

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: did we get confirmation about the future of the game?

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: Single defender

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: Don't think so, but doesn't seem to be sponsored despite previous use. That is a good point now I think on it.

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: eulerscheZahl maybe itll be reused once again in next contest

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: :upside_down:

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: DollarAkshay I use based on danger level

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: more danger more wind

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: @MichExpatMatt like this :? https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629482516

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: LaurensD hahaha kind of! But in my case it's usually my 2-3 guys defending and one attacker pushing back

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: omg that was wild though, like your guys got offended and decided to just kamikaze the enemy base

<img src=/a/5392215379325> GalvaBart: I'm curious how alphaStar would fare XD

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: haha, yeah made that for fun it's in the arena but not performing that well though haha

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: https://www.codingame.com/replay/628667511

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: but there are some interesting video's to watch haha

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: I tried shielding myself more often based on whether an opp was close enough to cast control... but seemed like a waste of mana and base started taking more damage

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: ok I gtg for now have an appointment in like 17 min but might be back to mess with this later

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: You might want to make a simple check when one of your hero's will get controlled, it'll raises a flag and start doing that

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: at least that is a option you do have to preserve your mana for like > 50% of the matches

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: haha good luck

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: oh, pushing can happen too :3

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: can't find the many reflections one but this one does seem interesting

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: https://www.codingame.com/replay/628648963

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] AmbF: What breaks ties, total mana collected or mana left ?

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] qwertzui11: check the "wild mana" in the description

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: wild mana

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: LaurensD what criteria would you be thinking for the check though... I think my old check was like... if an opp is within 2200 of my guy, or within one turn or being in that range

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] AmbF: I see great thanks

<img src=/a/78672341302451> MichExpatMatt: but then it seemed like my guys were spamming shiled on themselves unnecessarily

<img src=/a/83077785974377> Boopitibap: Do the certification tests test anything other than if the tests pass? Like time complexity, memory usage, etc? I got 99 percentile but I highly doubt that score, feels like it is simply because the tests passed

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: no they don't

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: CG said they would fix the percentage quite some time ago...

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: not sure about their progress

<img src=/a/83077785974377> Boopitibap: That makes more sense, thank you

<img src=/a/79633423380001> 5DN1L: :)

<img src=/a/2509638482149> _NikJ: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629595775 well that was quick

<img src=/a/77568527131373> FaRNaM.Hs: Hey!

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: Fingers crossed I hope I get out of Gold with this submit :(

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: back to silver?

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: :joy:

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: Thank god there is no demotion in CG

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: That would be brutal

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: @MichExpatmatt, yeah that seems to be a fine condition, this this will also assume when your enemy crosses you, or one enemy is near your base for example. It will make you waste your mana, hence the control check on the hero, thought that might help

<img src=/a/79146641399080> Westicles: I think the ML version that shows up and wins at the last minute won't have clear delineation between attackers and defenders

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: for wind you can probably do a check your last position is > distance away from the current, which probably might mean you were hit with wind. or something in that familiar

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: that kind of bot sounds unstable

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: Yup, thought it depends, I assume you cannot connect to external resources right?

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: I mean ML gotta learn

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: you actually can but I haven't done it before

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: what I was trying to say is that a bot that doesn't have clear delineation between attackers and defenders I picture it being unstable but what do I know i've never done anything complex:relaxed:

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: ML? mars lander?

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: Machine learning

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: @TobiasA I guess it could get a distinction for attacking defending :3

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: most likely

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: let's make a socket and control it ourselfs :grinning:

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: what's a socket?

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: depends on context

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: or what context

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: python or the one you can stick a fork in

<img src=/a/2509638482149> _NikJ: pretty sure you can only stick a fork once

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: Socket is used for realtime communication between client and server

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: oh i believe I could stick a fork in that kind of socket more than once

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: And context would be when the bot runs that you 'are' the player.

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: Really? Let's try it then

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: be sure to use a fork that is full metal

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: I tried it :slight_smile:

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: now my screen is broken

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: Perhaps you turned it off by doing that

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: try again

<img src=/a/68718744735597> TobiasA: mhm I did it again

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: if I do CTRL+F and do username + " failed" it should give all the failed movements right? Is there any other invalid moves that's not covered by this CTRL+F

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: i.e in the game information log

<img src=/a/83148989788968> DustinNunyo: Hmm... There isn't a way to use type hints and function overloading in the challenges is there?

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: hey which was that website where you could see the win rate against specific opponents ?

<img src=/a/83148989788968> DustinNunyo: I am using python3 btw

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: I remeber someone from the community made a website where you could analyze to whom you are loosing 

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: but there is no contest

<img src=/a/75480226748956> 44AA44: https://playfreeminecraft.farted.net is cool too

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: oO

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: Damn where are there no contests ?

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: maybe CG doesnt expose them

<img src=/a/2509638482149> _NikJ: what do you mean no contests? I'm using cg stats to track my submission % while away

<img src=/a/26367790351026> Counterbalance: it's listed there, but can't find any players

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: oh, its down there on the spinner

<img src=/a/2509638482149> _NikJ: player has to be in top 1000 I believe

<img src=/a/26367790351026> Counterbalance: ow, cors errors.. ofcors.

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: @Counterbalance thank you :) 

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: DollarAkshay http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/spring-challenge-2022/DollarAkshay

<img src=/a/18256210360824> DollarAkshay: :thumbsup:

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: wild mana

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: rip I lagged against chat again

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: got that often too haha

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: 3 defender into 3 attacker strat switch is OP https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629631086 he had a window of 10 turns and he killed me in that

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Aland_52879: anyone knows why this happens in top left at 119-127 
https://www.codingame.com/replay/629609245


<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: wind range is 1280

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: are u sure u are in the range Aland_52879

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: at turn 125 it gets pushed properly

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Aland_52879: yes i'm in range but sometimes my hero spams the wind 

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Aland_52879: is there any reason that causes wind spell to be spammed by a hero? i can't figure out what is the cause of it

<img src=/a/64043283452801> Noyotens: how to get rid of "wild mana collecters"

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: It's a multi-turn thing, your code is still triggered by your criteria Aland

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/58f12880-7175-4638-9c93-76c955e7a86c

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: Aland u are not in range buddy

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: Aland_52879

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: seems like he was talking about the spamming of the wind

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: he is spamming coz he thinks the monster is close to him

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I mean his code thinks

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: no offence to Aland_52879

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Aland_52879: exactly he thinks the monster is close but looks like your calculation proves i have to look into the range check again. thank you guys

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Aland_52879: it's okay. Thank you for help :) 

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: you can try to execute the calculations of cegprakash with your dinstance calculation

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: for a fast check

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I use this website https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/geometry-plane/distance-two-points.php 

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: :P

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Aland_52879: i will thanks. 

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: haha I just use dotnetfiddle with my code =P

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629645502

Blasterpoard one of ur fan is in gold :P 

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: and he's in rank 795 in gold donno why

<img src=/a/18279641223736> MindController: 2 attackers - Blasterpoard fan

<img src=/a/82554786776169> nalka0: When you control a monster, are its vx and vy changed according to where the control is gonna send it?

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: for a fan, you sure did loose

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: lose*

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I'm glad I lost to a Blasterpoard fan

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: -_-

<img src=/a/80884281764474> peerdb: Does anyone know where I could find how the ELO is calculated?

<img src=/a/42069868247135> CaptainHamburger: U win u gain some, u lose u lose some

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] ataya-codam: ^

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: on CG trueskill is used

<img src=/a/75369242083208> jacek: for elo, there is calculator https://www.3dkingdoms.com/chess/elo.htm

<img src=/a/80884281764474> peerdb: thanks jacek

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: hmm I have not much hopes for gold

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] qwertzui11: me neither :D

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: Im in the back of gold

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: at least, hope for getting in the top in gold league

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: 1940 of 1970  with my fun bot

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: the defense I've just added seemed already useless to the nr ai

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: *to the ai

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: an ai needs to be sharp from the start to beat the boos

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: or I need a very good goally ai

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: If I don't go to legend in this submit u can call me a "cockroach" for the next 7 days

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: hmm what is your rank now?

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: and no, I will take into account that it takes a while to get on top of the ladder

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: 18% progress 4 losses in first 27 games

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: aw, way better than my ai

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: my current submission has an experimental piece of code

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: gonna see how much influence it has

<img src=/a/83148989788968> DustinNunyo: Hey could somebody tell me; if I have a circle at a certain position with a certain radius; how do I get the x/y position of say a 45 degree angle around that circle?

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: you know the first point?

<img src=/a/35022107863170> DaNinja: x+cos(angle)*r, y+sin(angle)*r

<img src=/a/83148989788968> DustinNunyo: TY!

<img src=/a/35022107863170> DaNinja: where r is in radians

<img src=/a/35022107863170> DaNinja: * angle in radians

<img src=/a/36520489091198> pmor: isn't r the radius, and angle is in radians?

<img src=/a/36520489091198> pmor: :)

<img src=/a/35022107863170> DaNinja: ;)

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: look like I'm gonna be called as a cockroach

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: but it's at 26% too early to call

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: maybe I'll code something different tomorrow

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: I'm bit running out of ideas after implementing some stuff that others noticed

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: something a bit more in the direction that is useful, hopefully

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: well, there is 1 thing in my ai that never worked, but it didn't seem to have a big impact

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: show me a replay with u

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: avdg

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I give u idea

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: if I find any flaw

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I'm waiting on my submit and bored

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: :D

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: oh lol

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: yeah my strat is too boring and even hate to watch my own replays

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: lol

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: nah, I'm not bored, it's just, I better want to put resources in something I learn more

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: all that matters now is throwing out bugs or come up with a system to throw them out

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: just share a replay :)

<img src=/a/65928766959454> '''**wotroe slaps advg around a bit with a large fishbot'''

<img src=/a/65928766959454> '''**wotroe slaps asdfasdf around a bit with a large fishbot'''

<img src=/a/65928766959454> '''**wotroe slaps {{ <img src=x > }} {{ 12 * 12 }} a around a bit with a large fishbot'''

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: but for tools, for many things, these are things that need time

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: wow, don't get wild

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: we don't like ai's that are out of control

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: if anyone wanna find flaws in ur code share ur replay - free of cost for next 5 mins :P 

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: preferably against me

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: k, gonna run some games against your ai

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629671700

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629672104

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: first replay turn 13 to 17 what are u doing yhyoxx

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: :P

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: ur defender just randomly wandering

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: haha yea

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: in 2nd replay same happens for first 30 turns

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I have more than double ur mana in first 30 turns yhyoxx

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: fix ur early game

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: yup 

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: thank you

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: u rekt me in both games tho

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: nice

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: oh actually 2nd game I won

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: that was a hole in my defense in first game

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: :P

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629671613

I have to investigate why it's using wind in the center because it shouldnt do that anymore with a recent change

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: yea

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: wind in center is kinda waste of mana

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: maybe it's a bug that only occurs when I'm on the right side

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: what are ur 2 defenders doing till turn 9 avdg

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: they like chilling huh

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: :D

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: oh, missed that

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: hehe

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: ah, attacking code that broke

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I am looking at ur fog of war

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: debug mode fog of war only urself

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: that way easy to notice these

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: and no, my ai doesn't work with roles

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: it works with relative position to others

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: and task queues

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: man, yesterday I was like, ok, these heroes don't have a move, just push them forward, nope

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: ur shield usage is also bad avdg

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: u are using shield from middle of the board

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: and ur wind direction is also bad

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: in same replay

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: yeah, the limitations might be better be more strict

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: make a function
bool shouldUseWind(Hero, Monster) {
  //add 10-15 conditions   
}

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: it's already like that :p

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: just need different checks

<img src=/a/83148989788968> DustinNunyo: I'm having a bit of trouble converting degrees to radians. I assume that this is the correct way?

angle = (180/math.pi) * angle

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: fixed the first moves: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629681017

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: how many conditions do u have in wind function for defending

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: hmm depends, but many

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: DustinNunyo

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: though not worked out completely

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: long double radians(long double degrees) {
	return degrees * PI / 180.0;
}


<img src=/a/83148989788968> DustinNunyo: ty!

<img src=/a/35022107863170> DaNinja: cos(degrees * PI / 180.0)

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I have 16 comparision statements inside my denfending wind condition avdg

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: lol

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: my ifs are kinda messy and recalculating stuff a lot there

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: but lazy to fix because my ai still runs under a ms a turn

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: my ai timings are in stderr

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: anyone else want to share a replay with me -_- I can help till my submit ends.. it's at 50% now

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I think this was reported yesterday right?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629683836

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: frame 181-182

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: The spiders that go out

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: The Rng wont handle them symetrical

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I only share replays with bugs

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: don't get struct what's the monster id

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: hmm sending spiders back might be hard to do fairly unless the referee keeps track where they are send

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: one approuch I think of (but I guess others may do better) is keep track of distance to travel to the other side

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: 134 and 135

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: they will go in different directions

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: maybe combined with how close they get to the base

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: But I guess this is fine

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I can live with this bug

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: or keep a list of send back directions and shuffle for both sides

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Was just confused on why my bot didnt draw

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: then it's random, but in a closed set

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: since I have symmetry

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: (a bit like tetris)

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: struct wind from inside the ring to outside right

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I heard it's random direction

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: yes

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: its random and non symmetrical it seems

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: yeah

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: need to check referee

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: no need

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: the replay is proof

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I'm above gold boss for the first time ever

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: hope my points maintain

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: gl

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: should my defenders think before my attacker 

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: :thinking:

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: lol struct

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: it's independent right

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: no due to mana

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I think for attacker before defender but keep at least 10 mana for my defenders

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I see

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: u can do the same reverse 

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: if u are confident with ur attacker

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: my attacker is a pleb attacker

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: lol

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/main/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Referee.java#L327

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: hmm

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: that else part should do the redirection I think

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: so it seems its not working properly

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: unplayable

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I hope they add 1 more week to the contest due to this bug

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: :)

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash:         random = new Random(this.seed);


<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: there is only one random used for both players

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: so it'll give diff values for directions for both players right

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I'll check it once I reach legend

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: it should use a random number pool

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: they should have a random for each player if it should generate same random value for both players in order

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: though with a circle, it's still hard to make it fair

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: the same direction has an other effect on an other place of the circle

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: though I think it will still be a bit more fair

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: Haha this version of the bot is still at the beginning, with only defending lol I wonder how far I can come with xD

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: gotta stop anyways

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: ?

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629699799

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: and laurens did you get progress?

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: I would keep 1 close to the home base

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: A little bit, started over hoping to get a decent system, which is probably too complicated lol

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: I can't believe how many challenges come with just grouping monsters. 

<img src=/a/28437229401065> avdg: even with my ai keeping 1 at the back, it still gets suprised sometimes by monsters slipping through to the base

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: previous bot was okay, but gold was his limit =P want to make a tad smarter and more efficient bot

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: Haha thanks for the tip, wanted to have a midpoint at the very least today so the combat mechanic is just the closest with a few conditions =P

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: gonna hurt my head over it tomorrow, likely

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: but it's so fun :nerd:

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: laurnensD may be top 1000 gold not more than that LaurensD.. 

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: cg should let us run our own servers for running arena tests 

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: almost everyone in top 1000 has an attacker

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: some blockchain type of architecture

<img src=/a/82554786776169> nalka0: I don't cegprakash

<img src=/a/42069868247135> CaptainHamburger: Nagatsuka_Akiya doesnt attack and is 45th in legend

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: @cegprakash was like 1300 ish, if I recall correctly

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: nalka0 u have a crazy defense xD

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: doing it mostly for fun at this point

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I can't kill u -_-

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: soon to be a legend bot and I can't kill u

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: self proclaimed soon to be legend bot

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: :joy:

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: check the leaderboard LaurensD

<img src=/a/82554786776169> nalka0: haha well i think you can pass it if you try several times, it has issues with keeping an eye on what happens in the middle (and sadly that's from here that most people attack)

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: oeh! nice!

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: congrats :D

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: nalka0 most attacks are sneaky

<img src=/a/82554786776169> nalka0: The previous versions of me were beating boss 5, didn't try it with the latest ones

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: and unpredictable

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: especially coz defending is not easy

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: I haven't figured out what makes the legend bots so good yet. There seem to be so many different strategies.

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: how to climb ?

<img src=/a/82554786776169> nalka0: Well the way people attack most of the time is predictable but i meant probably need to keep my center hero more often in the center to have vision on monsters coming in the center

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: optimize against boss ? against top bots in the leaderboard ? against legends ?

<img src=/a/82554786776169> nalka0: (by center i mean center of my base)

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: against everyone ?

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: can't press play my code, odd

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: test in arena is possible lol

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: oh

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: Lost a player, whoopsy

<img src=/a/82554786776169> nalka0: cegprakash i did a quick BO9 with the boss, he 5-3'd me but when i won i obliterated his wild mana

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: my first win, lmao did not expect that :3 

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629721915

<img src=/a/82870028077964> LaurensD: Won against twitter :3

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: nalka0 gold boss spends a lot of time in early game winding in enemy base not collecting any mana

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: nalka0 gold boss' atacker never uses anything other than wind

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: wind is defendable without self shield

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: just have to do counter wind

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: tho it gets rewarded for it, at least against my bot :angry:

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: but the ladder is much harder nalka0

<img src=/a/82554786776169> nalka0: well if you never shield the issue is plenty people are just control chaining you heroes

<img src=/a/82554786776169> nalka0: And except being shielded, you can't defend against that imo

<img src=/a/82554786776169> nalka0: If gold boss is that easy, why is it dropping so slowly though?

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: with 2 defenders you could wait untill detecting control and only after go for counter measures

<img src=/a/82554786776169> nalka0: I prefer preventive shielding, i do it when my hero is already in a good position and i have at least nearly 100 mana

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: boss is rank 8 in goold

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: and boss is down to 29

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: too many legend

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I will be one of the next legend :D

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: should I say: "I am being a legend"

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash:  Promotion to Legend League in :
00H 00MN 11SC

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I just run 45 mins

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: 45%

<img src=/a/79146641399080> Westicles: nice job ceg

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: still wait a lot

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: next goal should be top 20?

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: finally

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: well

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I increase 1 rank thank to you :D

<img src=/a/82554786776169> nalka0: So you're telling me I beat legends? :p

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: ty Westicles

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: gg ceg

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I'm coming for the T shirt

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: top 20 T shirt is it

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I have never have a T shirt

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I am coming for it too

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: do you have any CG Tshirt ceg?

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: no lol

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: :)

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: my best rank was like top 200ish only

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: and I usually get legend in 50% of the contests and end up in gold/silver in others

<img src=/a/7600169987414> PRO_G_r_AM_m_ER: how close you need to be for wind to work ?

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: PRO_G_r_AM_m_ER depends on situations

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: 1280

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: oh yeah the range

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I would say, this time we have too many legend

<img src=/a/7600169987414> PRO_G_r_AM_m_ER: I will try that

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: look at the rules 

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: wind : All entities (except your own heroes) within 1280 units are pushed 2200 units in the direction from the spellcaster to x,y. 

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: we already have 211 legend till now, and we have more than 1 day left 

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: we will have 300-400 by the time contest ends

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: xD

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: :D

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: more chatic legend 

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: chaotic*

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: it already is chaotic I barely climbed 10 ranks since my submit

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: lol

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: climbed 50 ranks

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: now we speaking xD

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: nice

<img src=/a/2703903845691> Whiskee: oh wow I went afk in gold (run completed) and came back to legend :eyes:

<img src=/a/2703903845691> Whiskee: thanks to whomever beat the boss and pushed it down

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: it was a team effort Whiskee

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: boss was 30.5 at one point

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: we brought him down to 28.5ish

<img src=/a/2703903845691> Whiskee: I was actually consistently 3-0ing the boss without tuning against it at all

<img src=/a/2703903845691> Whiskee: but I'm very weak against double attackers

<img src=/a/2703903845691> Whiskee: that were popping up everywhere

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: double attackers are bad at defense except for blasterpoard :P

<img src=/a/2703903845691> Whiskee: yeah I just didn't have great logic against it

<img src=/a/2703903845691> Whiskee: I focused on the most common meta

<img src=/a/36336680250371> blasterpoard: nope; my defense is bad as well

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: u convert defence into attack xD

<img src=/a/82554786776169> nalka0: Double attackers are hard to def indeed

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: Arnaud has stronger defence yes agree

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: planning to switch to 2 defenders blasterpoard?

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: that would be a lot of code change

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I hate this game

<img src=/a/82554786776169> nalka0: 15-2 mon dernier submit pour l'instant :o

<img src=/a/82554786776169> nalka0: oops wrong channel x)

<img src=/a/82554786776169> nalka0: I meant my latest sumbit is 16-2 :p

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: don't test too much against boss he just a wind user :P u need a generalized solution..

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: boss is like last level of testing

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: do you guys know how to hanle 2 atts?

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: atts?

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: attackers?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: attacker

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: which leage are u in

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: still in gold

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: Listen to the wisdom of the ceg

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: just wind them

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I lost to 2 att a lot

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: but the monster right?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: wind the monster?

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I have a global variable to kknow if I'm playing against 2 attacker

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: yeah

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: in that case I have custom defence

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: then what to do?

<img src=/a/82554786776169> nalka0: I like how you say just wind'em but sometimes they shield themselves ya know?

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: shielding 2 attackers are weaker they take too late to attack

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Time for me to try 2 attackers I guess

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: do you have replay?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: If it doesnt work I give up

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: to counter 2 atts?

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: yes I'll give u replay

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: thanks

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629790289 

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: DollarAkshay has a very very strong 2 attacker strat

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: he snipes from long range with double wind

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: actually triple wind

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: wind followed by double wind

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: and I defend against him

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: it works in gold

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: thank you

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: stop exploiting your countrymen ceg! :P :D

<img src=/a/5392215379325> GalvaBart: @cegprakash thanks for sharing, that snipe was very surprising!

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: 2atts are quite a cheat

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: we have to treat them like this

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: haha

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: sorry Astrobytes :P

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: don't tell DollarAkshay

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: hehehe

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: congrats on legend btw cegprakash

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: ty Astrobytes

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: going to add prune array next

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: :D

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: :rofl:

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: hahaha

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: excellent

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: but I need some sleep now

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: no sleep til #1

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: going to code non stop sleeping last 24 hours

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: sleep 8 hours now

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: and probably visit hospital after contest for backpain

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: I literally *live* backpain

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: get some sleep!

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I dont know how to code these kind of bots

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I might just try to plug a mcts to see if anything happens

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: are you hiding a secret search bot

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: struct if else all the way

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: nope

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Im just bad

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: said you in EVERY contest

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: u came late if I remember struct

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: had u come 2 days earlier u are legend by now

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: Personally, I don't care, gold is fine, I ain't bothered

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: he was here cegprakash

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Fog kills me

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: I really don't like the game, it was a chore to motivate myself to reach gold tbh

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I kill monster from it's back while defending for better vision struct

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: like 800 units extra vision

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: I'm just happy we had a contest tbh

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: true

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: it's been over an year

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: and it's good to have something on vectors xD

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: brings back Fantastic bits memories

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: there we kick the ball here we kick monsters with wind and both are base defence

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: and I ended up in gold in that.. so happy to do better this time

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: yeah, that part of the game I don't mind :D

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: i like vectors 

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I'll probably do code vs zombies after this contest

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I didn't pass the last test case

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: minus the fog and some different mechanics would have been better imo, but that's just mo

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: hopefully after contest I could do it

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: as both are kind of similar problems

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: except single player for CvZ

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: this game has a lot of codebusters in it

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: codebusters meets code royale meets fb, without the fun of fb

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: rec

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: At least this bot seems a bit better

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: First submit was rank 400 so I got demotivated

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: since I typed that I'll finish: recording guitar isn't that easy

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: hf

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: No I'm explaining my random 'rec'

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: Wrong damn window

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: where you at now struct?

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo:  some late coding here?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: 20 gold

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: yes

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: just saw it, looks good

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: figting for legend?

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: struct add some movement to your attacker

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: struct is, I don't give af

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: I understand

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I can i guess

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: no saltiness, got gold, can't be overly bothered :D

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I just hate this game with some passion

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: completely forgot to get up for coedjam 1C this morning too

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: me too

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: wooo codejame even, coedjam I might have got up for

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: but I missed it on purpose

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: you already qualified

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: nope

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: :(

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: why?

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: before 1B I had another contest

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: before 1A I had exam

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: and today I had HashCode

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: no time for codejam :/

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: ah, 1A for me never was gonna work at that time in the morning. 1B was at like 5pm, I can't do that stuff at 5pm. So I was counting on 1C and totally forgot :D

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: next time 

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: maybe next time xd

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: Yeah, I'll be more prepared

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: how was hashcode btw?

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: it was suppperrr hard

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: 24th for us

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] witty3: there is no 1D, 1E

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: 20 teams had like 0 points

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: wow

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: we go 1MLN, and top1 got 5MLN points so...

<img src=/a/20774306904131> kovi: gratz domiko

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: how about you kovi?

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: madness

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: yeah how did you do kovi?

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: or 'team kovi' shall I say :D

<img src=/a/20774306904131> kovi: was hard....barely made it

<img src=/a/20774306904131> kovi: 31th

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: *31st

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: F was your's friend too 

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: well done

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: # + th is only for numbers > 3

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: (Sorry, I coach euler on his English a bit so it's habitual to correct)

<img src=/a/46567648927625> DomiKo: Better to know that you are making a mistake

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: Agreed. I would expect it if trying to speak in another language.

<img src=/a/82432385689004> Kido-san: Anyone know what the trick is to get more wild mana? Heroes are away from base the whole time still getting around 578 wild mana..boss3 getting 614

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: which league are u in Kido-san

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: try to attack him instead

<img src=/a/82432385689004> Kido-san: Bronze hehe (quite low)

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: just don't go too far from ur base

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: that should do in bronze

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: and try to work as a team 

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: use wind, that should help

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I mean ur heroes should split farm

<img src=/a/82432385689004> Kido-san: Thanks..doing all that at the moment I think. Only losing as Boss3 keeps getting more wild mana

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: can u share a replay

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: can easily find what u are doing wrong

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: with turn  number

<img src=/a/82432385689004> Kido-san: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629807738

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: don't use wind in first 20 turns

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: u are losing farm

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: health of monsters increase by 1 every turn

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: so it's pretty easy to kill the monsters in early game

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: I mean health of monsters increase by 1 every 4 turns*

<img src=/a/82432385689004> Kido-san: Great tip!

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: don't use wind for first 50 turns *

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: u have to be as close to the monsters and farm more than pushing it away from u

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: push it only when u feel u are in danger

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: u are faster than the monster by 2x anyway

<img src=/a/82432385689004> Kido-san: Thanks cegprakash, super useful tips :-) will save mana and use it only if base gets surrounded

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: say u spot the monster at 6000 distance monster has 20 turns to reach the base and u can do 40 damage in 20 turns

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: just with 1 hero

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: and if there are too many monsters then feel free to trigger the button

<img src=/a/10550602859943> cegprakash: blew em away

<img src=/a/82432385689004> Kido-san: :bow:

<img src=/a/82432385689004> Kido-san: That helped, now in silver league, thanks a lot

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: how to counter 3 def then?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: are you still there cegprakash?

<img src=/a/60413902297900> Astrobytes: come on Hori, watch some replays and do some work

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: you are right, I only need the replay :D

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: too sleepy

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: just submit code, I hope I can be legend after sleep

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: 31 hours only

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: :&

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I think I am legend for this submit

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: can't sleep

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: contest ends at 7am ?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: 27% rank 29

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I think 8am

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: :D

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Its 31 hours and 50 minutes left

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: you 2 on same country?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: nice HoriMiyamura

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: no

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I dont think so

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: :D

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: This bot is a bit better than my previous but not by much

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: hmmm

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: thought it ended at 3pm

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: UTC +0

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: server run faster at this time

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: Almost go to Lenged last time

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: then push down by 2 atts

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: hope that this time I can success

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: gl

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: some strategy is quite flexible

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: they can 2 atts, then later 3 defs

<img src=/a/11962925912807> MrAnderson: Haven't done a contest in 6 years and almost didn't do this one, but I dusted off the ol' IDE this morning.  I'll be satisfied with almost anything, as rusty as I am 

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: gl

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629868536 what is this strategy called?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: the on from Eaglewind

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: I wonder what the most wild mana win someone has gotten is?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I think there are a doc saying about maxium mana in map

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: but not so sure

<img src=/a/77574940369500> a-Rye: Sorry, not coding related, but important. "Please Mr. Putin, don't be a Carl." I expect talk shows in the US might be joking about this soon, but this is for world peace. I worry about a lot of you! https://codepen.io/A-Rye719/full/NWXZdOg . Thank you, and continue to enjoy the wonderful Spring Contest!!!

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: LOL! i have been refactoring and improving code for 2 days straight to get legend! just about to finish and get auto promoted :dizzy_face:

<img src=/a/11962925912807> MrAnderson: congrats!

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: lets keep it coding related pls a rye

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: when will a replay got deleted? OR it would be saved forever?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: rand() % time;

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: idk HoriMiyamura :p

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Some say deletion time gets increaed after someone watches it

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I just got to Lengend struct :D

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Grats hori

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: 2 attackers or 1

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: your idea about shield is correct

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I decrease the use of shield (still use it sometime) and my bot is much stronger

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: nice

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: next is top 20

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: gl

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Try to watch top players to get ideas

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: just a question: if I play multiple account, is it valid?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: no

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I can disable the other code

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: yes sometimes people do that

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I won't use all of them to get price if I have though

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I would not have multiple accounts active on the leaderboard at the same time

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: just use multiple for the sake of make sure I won't need to resubmit a good solution

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: One thing is submiting with an account then break that bot and submit with the main account

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Another thing is having multiple active bots

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I now aim for top 20

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Hori I would recommend against it, but I'm just a chat moderator

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I would keep it to 1 account if possible

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: at the end of contest I will disable the others

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: ok, I got it.

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: other account still in gold

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: there is also plagiarism detection right?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: so maybe I let them there

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Yes Tuo

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Leave them hori

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: because its also not fair if you play vs your own bots

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: It will impact final rank

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: ok, then

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: ty for understanding :)

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: :D

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Long time ago they also offered shirts for rank 1 of each language

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Some people would get legend and then submit with other language

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: They also checked that

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: well, I need to be in 20 first :D

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: hope I can do that

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: Do I need to disable other accounts?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: or just submit some dummy things?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: you can just submit a broken bot

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: thanks

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: this game is weird somehow

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I call WIND on target because it is in range, but the target move and I miss it

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Im still thinking if I hate this one more

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: or 2020 one

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: No

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I don't hate any contest

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: That only happens if the target is a hero

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: at least this is much interest than ESCAPE

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: yeah, I am saying about hero

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: some time the hero can avoid the WIND

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Yeah I still dont check if opp exists

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: So I dont have anything for that

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: :p

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: :D

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I hope we don't see Fall2022 as Escape!!!

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: yeah

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: I'm enjoying this one even though it came at a bad time.

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: 7500 players so far

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: is not bad

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: previous one was 6,867

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: CG is more and more popular

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I think 1 contest per 4 months would be the best

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: ..., it is fun but it will take time

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: At least I can still port board games and make AIs for it :D

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Only thing I know how to make is average ais for board games

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I don't know what is average ais 

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: not top 3

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: like top 10

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: :*

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: The difference is that there I dont need to use ifs

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: :p

<img src=/a/75403300843364> ASM_MOV_INT: what IF you did...?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: :D

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: 2atts is quite powerfull with top players

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: if you use a control spell on say id: -1, does it cost mana?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: unlike those 2atts that only do 1 thing, top players 2atts is nice

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: so I would say normal 2atts is cheat, top player 2atts is interested

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: Zandy156 you can test on your idea, I think it is invalid and you'll lose

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] stolyaroleh: gah, I wish the feedback loop was faster

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: which top players 2atts do you think are interesting?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: like blasterpoard

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: 2atts in lower legend and gold are just going to 1 point and WIND at the same time

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: nothing more, and it is so dum that they got high rank

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: ok I have an idea

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Not sure if it will work

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: But if it does its massive

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: what is your idea?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: it is for the contest?

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: I felt like none of the bots when legend first opened were good. 

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: yeah, I agree

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: but the tops are now very good

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: meaning they all had major weaknesses, just leaning on what you said

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: yes hori

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I'll try it

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: but recently some are getting better

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: might not work at all

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: The first lengends are pioneers

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: the latters aren't

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: there sure were alot of different strategies 

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: bye guys, aim for top 20 after sleep :D

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: bye

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: oh no :worried:. early control is so strong and i put all eggs on 1 + 2 wind

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: that gets countered by single wind :(

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: it looks cool tho

<img src=/a/45542920823970> SkyDreamer: cant we use string var is .replace() parameters?

<img src=/a/45542920823970> SkyDreamer: python btw

<img src=/a/45542920823970> SkyDreamer: in*

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: It should

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: too bad this strategy doesnt work :p

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629936895

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: maybe if they didn't just stand there 90% of the time :p

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: u need to gather some spider on the way there :)

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: like this https://www.codingame.com/replay/629946102

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: nice

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: so you keep track of spiders that are out of fov?

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] stolyaroleh: disgusting

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: no just send whatever happens to walk by :D

<img src=/a/75312145795263> Fallback: so in the game instructions, it says it updates hero move, hero melee and then creep move. So we should be able to move with 800 units of where the creep USED to be and get a hit on it right? I'm seeing a contradiction in the game where I'm not getting the hit

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] stolyaroleh: I hate when boss 5 starts to spam wind

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] stolyaroleh: just burns all my mana

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: What rank are you Tuo?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Fallback you move then attack everyhing in 800 range

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: then wind applies

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: then all spiders move

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: if they were not pushed by the wind

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: legend 240, but my strat doesnt really work in legend

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: well obv because bottom of league

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Im going to try for 2 more hours

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: should be able to make it to legend

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: not that far

<img src=/a/75312145795263> Fallback: Take a look at this replay. The top blue hero should've scored a hit on frame 10 because his current position is within 800 of the spiders last position right? or am I missing something here

<img src=/a/75312145795263> Fallback: https://www.codingame.com/replay/629940400

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: frame 10 to 11?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Hero 0 did it hit

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Hero 1 didnt because it was still further than 800 before spider moved

<img src=/a/75312145795263> Fallback: I mean frame 9 to 10 and he does get a hit. I misread it, just a little tired and seeing things. sry, thx

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: np

<img src=/a/9382042427281> MAWAAW: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/629954386

<img src=/a/9382042427281> MAWAAW: at round 106 the mob 83 is bugged ?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: no

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: it hits the wall

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: If you draw a line from the spider position to where it should go after the wind it will intersect with the wall

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: and will keep the intersection position

<img src=/a/9382042427281> MAWAAW: it shoulgo at 17630,9000

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: The wind is based on your hero position

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: if you output 17630 hero_y it might have worked

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: yeah if your hero blows to its own position, monsters get held in place

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: ofc this way is not perfec

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I calculate spider angle to base I want to send it too

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: and use that instead

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: hero_pos + (target_pos - spiders_pos) 

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: solves this problem

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: So is angle not needed?

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: if u have vector math enabled :)

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] stolyaroleh: damn, I reached the limit of plays per time period

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] stolyaroleh: time to go to bed

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: gn stoly

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: struct no need for angles

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: oh ok

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Im not good at math so I just used angles

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: I'm finally writing some attacking code

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Nice Zandy156

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I wrote some too

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: are you going to do 1 or 2 attackers?

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: I'm going to keep it simple since this is usually the point my bot falls apart

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Yeah thats what I did at first

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: First I kept the defenders I had and then added 1 attacker

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Until it did sometihng

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: the plan is 2, but the simple strategy is to only switch them to offense for a quick attack

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: first thing I did was sent 2 heroes out into the field and told them never to come back

<img src=/a/35237029461849> Zandy156: been training my solo defender ever since

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I see

<img src=/a/80087162572463> DoraUst: Guys i'm so lost i panic everytime i see a code like idk how should i act and watch 1st (it's my 1st time on codingame)

<img src=/a/65335327906264> TranTuan1: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/2374891c5ca698816284bdbf9eecff1995b2e71

<img src=/a/57774109997186> Miki09: Hi guys. I have 1D and 3H to get to legend. Lets code for a while...

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: 1D? 3H?
are you playing chess?

<img src=/a/57774109997186> Miki09: 1 day 3 hours

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: oh. that makes more sense

<img src=/a/57774109997186> Miki09: :-)

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Hi euler

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: oh, Royale also climbed to legend now. congrats if you read this

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: morning

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: large legend already

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: yeah

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Lets hope I can get there soon

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: :p

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Im gonna finish copying this guy strategy then Ill go to sleep

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: some stupid 3 attacker thing?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: yes

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: shame on you

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: lol

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: there are surprisingly few familiar names at the top

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: or at least none that you expect to be at the top close to the end

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: yeah

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: no beam search for you guys

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: But I dont think this contest appeals to everyone

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: sad, isn't it?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I guess none do

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: But I feel hate towards this game

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: because we're not learning much ?

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: i bet blaster is going to win this

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: yhyoxx I enjoy writing the sim the most

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: or a surprise appearance of reCurse :P

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: on this game with fog is just pain

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: i have no idea how to sim or where to start

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Not on this game thats for sure

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: really hard for this game

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: and im glad i can advance in this contest without knowledge i cant grasp in 1 week

<img src=/a/57774109997186> Miki09: where is reCurse?

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: i have a search based attacker. but discarded that bot again

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/628489580

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: that's a positive example. but also fails more often than not

<img src=/a/63320023224200> bolmos-o: Hello, I have a question: can we go back to gold league once we are in legendary league?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I enjoyed simulating the previous contest very much

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: But I also had 30+ days for it so

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: u wanna go back ? x)

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: only go up in leagues, not down

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: we can exchange spots

<img src=/a/63320023224200> bolmos-o: I don't wanna go back, but I do want to test crazy stuff

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: You can still test it

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: legend is the bully league, no fun playing there

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: a second account ?

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: no

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Why not test on legend?

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: 2nd account might get you disqualified if they find out

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: make s sense

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: this contest is great, no fancy CS algorithms just old fashioned if/else

[[File:Default_avatar.png]] Tuo: well at least my bot is :D

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: Heuristic is great in that even non-expert can code a good solution

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: euler :

<img src=/a/53072669816205> yhyoxx: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: and believe me, if you are good at bot algorithm, you can create an excellent solution even the game is aim for heuristic

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: so in my opinion, this game is by great

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I don't know why many of you dislike it

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: *don't understand

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: I give it 5/10

<img src=/a/57774109997186> Miki09: 4/10 hate 2 or 3 attackers

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: yeah the 2/3 atts is weird

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: wind stacking is too strong, that ruins it a bit for me

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: fog ruins it for me

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Without fog I would have done a search

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: :D

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: fog is to aid the heuristic goal

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: ofc

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: this game is to help non-expert enjoy the game

<img src=/a/54404666418987> ItsNotABug: fog is fine, wind should average, not stack though

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: the 2/3 atts is the worst thing

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: yeah

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: I agree

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: if wind doesn't stack, 2/3 atts will quite balance

<img src=/a/54404666418987> ItsNotABug: No fog just means cpp people rinse with no hope for anyone else

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: yup

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: Never used cpp never will

<img src=/a/43135502422075> eulerscheZahl: that would be nice, wouldn't it?

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: the point is wind stacking is too powerfull

<img src=/a/44751789808331> Waffle3z: why doesn't wind simply blow the fog away

<img src=/a/72624646077158> HoriMiyamura: haha

<img src=/a/57774109997186> Miki09: That would be interesting

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: doesnt sound bad tbh

<img src=/a/61418101984360> struct: But by that time its game over anyways

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