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jacek: oO

M0hammed: hi jacek why sleep when u can code right

M0hammed: tbh lack of sleep is not good tho

M0hammed: affects concentration too much

Default avatar.png HenroLST: according to darwin if we all stop sleeping we would evolve past sleeping

Default avatar.png HenroLST: therefore sleeping is for the weak

eulerscheZahl: or we would get extinct

Default avatar.png HenroLST: psh

Default avatar.png HenroLST: extinction mcextnction

Default avatar.png HenroLST: if we die then we were weak

Default avatar.png HenroLST: ff im done for the day, bfs beat me today, but tommorrow ill beat it

waterproofsodium: if you "sleap"

waterproofsodium: you were weak

Default avatar.png Mengshang: Which the best Visual Studio theme is .

eulerscheZahl: blue

eulerscheZahl: the classic one

eulerscheZahl: light blue

jacek: :upside_down:

jacek: Automaton2000 where is my :taco:

Automaton2000: so it's the same as yours

iamsofia_rless: hy

aCat: chat still alive

aCat: so hello chat :-)

BlaiseEbuth: Not for long... But happy caturday

aCat: as far as this cat knows is sunday :(

BlaiseEbuth: Caturday is everyday

BlaiseEbuth: :cat:

aCat: ah

aCat: :D


BlaiseEbuth: ^^

aCat: :joy_cat:

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: yay, cat-loving people!

eulerscheZahl: hey cat, we have a few more days of reprieve for this chat

eulerscheZahl: let's hope for the governor's call last minute to stop the execution

aCat: I really hope for this

aCat: I mean I use discord normally but rarely for CG and it is not a substitution for CG chat in any moment

j4at: Yeah, also discord can't replace coc chat.

eulerscheZahl: admittedly that's an aspect i don't care about personally - but i understand what you mean. you can't easily find the participants of your particular clash on discord and hope they see it in a timely manner

Default avatar.png K4YZ: Hi guys! I am new here to discover CodinGame, what a fun way to practice coding skill :D

eulerscheZahl: i'm here for 6 years - and the gamified approach with animations still keeps me here

jacek: startup eh

Default avatar.png K4YZ: :grin:

eulerscheZahl: you have to find that one exception, don't you jacek?

jacek: i write in java, my code is really exceptional

eulerscheZahl: just checked: 22 days until my 6th anniversary on CG

Default avatar.png Wishbone: I'll soon have my 1-week anniversary here :-D

Westicles: how do you tell how old an account is?

jacek: by counting the rings

Westicles: Getting started with CodinGame! Mar 4, 2017

Westicles: 5+ years for me

eulerscheZahl: i checked the age of my forum account

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I can't find that. is it somewhere in the settings?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: aah, I found it. I need to expand something when I'm on the page of my forum profile

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I've been on here for almost two weeks

martinpapa69: impressive

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: lol

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: not as impressive as teemo's height

martinpapa69: wow

martinpapa69: im 69th

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: ok, that's pretty cool

jacek: oh my

martinpapa69: ye i need new profile image

martinpapa69: teemo is boring

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: what about a yin-yang sign that's secretly almost the numbers 6 and 9?


martinpapa69: oops

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: that's a quick way to flush the chat

jacek: waku wak

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: Automaton2000 what do you think martinpapa69's new profile pic should be

Automaton2000: there is no need for mcts

jacek: oO

StevenV: Hi Automaton2000,

Automaton2000: it has the same result

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: Automaton2000 as what?

Automaton2000: i think there's a bug in your code

StevenV: how old are you Automaton2000.

Automaton2000: to find the index of the first action thing still work?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: Automaton2000 tell me where my bug is please?

Automaton2000: or do they have a script to merge them

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: not helpful. was worth a try tho

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: Automaton2000 I found my bug! I had a gigantic if-else tree and I forgot a case

Automaton2000: but this is my first time

StevenV: I wonder how they code Automaton2000

Automaton2000: that last bit triggers me, oh well.

5DN1L: You can check its profile, there's a blog link there, you can read it to learn more

StevenV: thanks

5DN1L: np

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: there's also this

Automaton2000: because you need to check if the opponent is in the top of the leaderboard

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: XD

StevenV: well...

Darleanow: i need to confess

Darleanow: people who code in C are scary

Default avatar.png Floxyii: Anyone that wants to play an escape room?

StevenV: I need to confess, most of top players use C++ for CG bots

Darleanow: i'm more comfortable with c++ than c xD

Darleanow: it is weird right ?

StevenV: no, I learn C++ from the beginning, and never learn C though

Darleanow: ok we fine then!

StevenV: :D

Darleanow: oh btwi have a question

Darleanow: we you init an array, you need to give it the size

Darleanow: or either values to that

Darleanow: but what if i wanna do an array who's length is growing up

Darleanow: like in a for loop

Darleanow: it would be [1] then [1,2] etc

StevenV: why don't use a linked list for it?

StevenV: or ArrayList in Java

Darleanow: can i do something like int arr[**argv] ?

StevenV: for C++, we can new an Array at run time, so we actually can create a structure like ArrayList in Java

Darleanow: idk about java :/

eulerscheZahl: linked list and arraylist are hugely different in regards to expected runtime

Rafarafa: how do I paste a snippet again? pastebin doesn't work atm right?


jacek: for C++ use vector

Darleanow: (i'd prefer something not so slow, because i work with those values)

eulerscheZahl: for vector use C++

Darleanow: i'm using C atm :)

StevenV: ah

StevenV: yes, vector is like arrayList right?

jacek: then your dead

jacek: eeyup

Darleanow: i think that the problem is that i've started with python instead of c or something like this

Darleanow: ah f***

eulerscheZahl: nothing wrong with python to get started

eulerscheZahl: fast progress, keeps motivation high

jacek: except its dynamic and does stuff for you

Darleanow: i mean, there is a lot of things that are easier, that's the problem imo

Darleanow: in C u need to write a lot more

eulerscheZahl: it has a lot of magic things going on that you won't understand or have to consider

Darleanow: i'm not really experienced so i might be saying stupid things

Darleanow: indeed x)

Rafarafa: alright, this is my solution to the problem 'Treasure Hunt', does someone know why dfs2 doesn't work?

Rafarafa: (python)

Rafarafa: the solution works, but not the dfs2 is what I mean

StevenV: oh, an easy puzzle needs an DFS for it?

eulerscheZahl: you have one object for visited that you pass in the recursive call for dfs2

eulerscheZahl: you have to remove it at one point (or make a copy as you did in dfs)

eulerscheZahl: visited.add(node) result = gold + max(...) visited.remove(node) return result

eulerscheZahl: something like this

Default avatar.png Bn_Gaber: can i creat a room to beat with my friends ?

Default avatar.png Bn_Gaber: compete*

5DN1L: scroll to the bottom, click START A PRIVATE CLASH


5DN1L: if you're talking about Clash of Code with your friends

Default avatar.png Bn_Gaber: yes that is what i mean

Default avatar.png Bn_Gaber: thank you man

5DN1L: np

Rafarafa: wait but then I get a max recursion depth message

Rafarafa: since it loops forever with visited = {} no?

eulerscheZahl: not if you did what i told you to do

eulerscheZahl: you add the node => 1 node in the list then you do the recursive call and add another => 2 nodes

eulerscheZahl: then you get more and more until you return from recursion and remove then again one after another

eulerscheZahl: in the end your visited list will be empty again

Rafarafa: can't say that I fully understood what you say but it works indeed

Rafarafa: said*

Rafarafa: thanks by the way

eulerscheZahl: just print the list of visited nodes each time. should give you an idea of what's going on

Rafarafa: :thumbsup:

martinpapa69: test

struct: test received

eulerscheZahl: test completed

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: test eaten

enamya: test tested

Darleanow: no teemo pp :'(

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: nice nice pic tho

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: new*

martinpapa69: ty, but the thumbnail is still the old one

martinpapa69: for me at least

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: lmao true

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: for me too

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: chat is really buggy then

struct: ctrl f5

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: ah

martinpapa69: nope

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: lol

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: me neither

martinpapa69: I think the server periodacally updates the thumbnails or something

Darleanow: has anyone achieved happy-numbers in C

Darleanow: and if so, in how many lines (just to get an idea) and how about the difficulty of it

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: lemme make it in python real quick and port it to c

Darleanow: Aldoggen, you can't x)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: oh wait big numbers

Darleanow: happy numbers


Darleanow: i can even give u my code for py one

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: well, python can handle all integers

Darleanow: but the problem is with the atoi function

Darleanow: yeah i did it in py

Darleanow: but u can't convert py to c

Darleanow: this easily i mean

Darleanow: you can try if u want

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I don't think the problem is with atoi. it's with the inherent storage of integers in c

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: idk. were you trying to fit the whole number in an integer, or just one digit?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: Darleanow do you still need help?

eulerscheZahl: my c# code for happy numbers has 30 lines, others are in a similar range

eulerscheZahl: it's more of a math problem than coding

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: yup

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: just did it in 22 lines in python

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: and I didn't use big integers at all

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: kept them as strings

eulerscheZahl: for an easier one: try to solve it without loops

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I think Darleanow left a long time ago

eulerscheZahl: oh, RIP

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: the one you sent is cool!

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I'm guessing I want to use the gauss formula

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: and then add the multiples of 3 and 5, and subtract the multiples of 15

eulerscheZahl: yes

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: noice :)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I think I did this a few years ago, but with loops

eulerscheZahl: the add and subtract is called principle of inclusion and exclusion btw

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: aah, size of the union of two sets is the sum of the sizes of the sets, minus the size of the interception :)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I forgot how intricate it became for more than two sets lol

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: okay, back to the happy numbers problem. did you use some kind of array to store the sums of squares of digits?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: aah, it was c#

MSmits: yay I finally have my bitboard updating correctly and a nice error print map:

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: noice :)

MSmits: making good prints for boardgames is an art unto itself :)

MSmits: next up, get the BFS working so i can get out of wood 1 :P

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: that reminds me I have about 5 projects of this site I eventually need to get back to lol

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I agree about the prints for boardgames

struct: are you using u128 MSmits?

MSmits: i am using 64 bit for verticals and 64 bit for horizontals

MSmits: i never use u128

struct: you did for hs

MSmits: yeah, that's when i learned not to :P

MSmits: GE is a bit misleading, it seems like you have 9x9 squares so it wont fit on 64 bit , but it does

MSmits: there is no point to placing walls on the outer edges, so i ignore them

struct: yeah when you said 64 it instantly made sense :p

MSmits: btw, i kinda do use u128 in my windows forms programs, but it's this weird type called Guid

eulerscheZahl: what's weird about Guid?

MSmits: it's weird because it's not intended to be a 128 bit integer

eulerscheZahl: of course not

MSmits: it has something to do with web, i dunno

MSmits: i use it as a 128 bit integer anyways

eulerscheZahl: it's just a unique identifier. you can use it anywhere, not just web

MSmits: yeah

MSmits: like an integer :)

eulerscheZahl: might be an ID for the database of your website, yes

MSmits: i guess that is what it was intended for

eulerscheZahl: basically a random 128 bit number, but with more complex rules to generate it

MSmits: I use it for persistent dictionary. It is the largest value type, so i dont have to use a struct which is apparently slower

eulerscheZahl: i think it includes the timestamp of creation and some hardware info of your computer

eulerscheZahl: struct you are slow

struct: ik

eulerscheZahl: struct is a value type in C#. i think MS recommends it for structures up to 8 or 16 byte, something in that range

Default avatar.png pyprog: hello lusers

Default avatar.png pyprog: :innocent:

Darleanow: is there anything above unsigned long long int ?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: Darleanow do you still need help with the happy numbers?

Darleanow: in C ?

Darleanow: i did it

Darleanow: i can solve 3 firsyt

Darleanow: but for the two last ones

Darleanow: unsigned long long int x;

Darleanow: isnt enough

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: the solution is that you need to as many numbers as you can as strings

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: you need to store*

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: so that big number you get in input? store as string. need to compute the squares of digits? convert individual digits to int

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: from then on you can probably store everything as int

Default avatar.png dager12: yall text too much guess why we nerds have no girls

**PatrickMcGinnisII :coffee:

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I can't tabcomplete Automaton2000's name anymore

Automaton2000: ah i need to look at my code and it shows the script?if so that would be great

Default avatar.png HenroLST: hm

Default avatar.png HenroLST: dager12 you have one?

PatrickMcGinnisII: yall need avatars, i always assume blank ones are newbies and ignore msgs

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: my avatar is on my linux partition

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I haven't found a way to access it without downloading some random program

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: on windows currently

Default avatar.png HenroLST: i have one but doesnt show on chat :(

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: sad stuff

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I uploaded my pic

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: gitlab allow you to download it

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I tried discord first

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: wouldn't work

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: it's only 400x400 pixels tho

PatrickMcGinnisII: i guess chat is really going away this week... acording to Thibaud

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: yeah

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I've been following people I want to keep in touch with

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: aw you followed me back <3

China-xyh: I like Clash of Code!

China-xyh: Ummm

PatrickMcGinnisII: i like seeing what rank people are on bot game start page, don't know much use beyond that, discord names don't match up... well mine doesn't

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: lol

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: yeah I still don't know what to do when chat goes down

China-xyh: Hee

PatrickMcGinnisII: I haven't been on CG discord in months, probably tons of chat history with valuable info tho

China-xyh: Emm

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: and memes

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: today's meme is one about python's help function

China-xyh: But I can't use discord in China.

China-xyh: ...

Default avatar.png Ryflyy: how do i code im new

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: the gist of it is: you give very specific instructions to the computer, and then it hopefully does what you meant it to do, instead of what you told it to do

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I suggest to start out in python3

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: if you don't know what that is, click on my name in chat, and we'll talk in the private chat

nowfel: @kentonbandy not just you


Default avatar.png BlueTaxidermist_737: hello, here's a fun fact for today: visual basic sits proudly at the top with regards to number of keywords with 217 of them being present in the language

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: lmao

MSmits: nice, simple BFS seems enough to get out of wood for great escape

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: noice lol

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: to bronze, and beyond!

MSmits: indeed :)

wediaklup: bfs?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: breadth first search

MSmits: breadth first search

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: apparently you type even slower than I do :)

MSmits: well sometimes

MSmits: I just type carefully so they don't think it's about searching for bread

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: bread first, then jam!

MSmits: bronze is huge, 1210 players

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: that's a bunch

MSmits: ranked 352 now, still going up, with simple bfs

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: in cyborg uprising it's 2.7k tho

MSmits: nice

MSmits: ghost in the cell

MSmits: that's what it was called i think

MSmits: before the great purge

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: are you talking about cyborg uprising?

MSmits: yes

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I don't know about the great purge :)

MSmits: they renamed a lot of arena's to avoid lawsuits over copyright violation

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: ooh

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: wow yeah

MSmits: mad pod racing = coders strike back

MSmits: (star wars reference)

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: and power of thor?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: lol, I like mad pod racing better though

MSmits: I think it was still called that?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: it's a little more descriptive

MSmits: yeah mad pod racing is ok

MSmits: we just always called it csb

PatrickMcGinnisII: it's hard AF to find post mortems as it is

MSmits: so that takes some getting used to

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: thor can probably not be claimed, so it's ok to use

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: oh, because all the post mortems refer to the old names?

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: mean max obvious one

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: oof

Default avatar.png defalt404: yooo this website is ccoooooooooooool

Default avatar.png defalt404: how i didnt know abt this:(

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I think a lot of people don't

MSmits: yeah

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I learned of its existence through reddit of all things

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I'm currently doing line racing

MSmits: tron

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: yup

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: it's actually annoying I couldn't find it using that name

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: harry potter flyers

PatrickMcGinnisII: Aldoggen yes, it's great to read what people did on contest when u trying to do multi, can save alot of time. GitC is still my fav game... er great purge... smh. CSB is still a good multi to start with tho

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: great purge?

MSmits: gitc is called cyborg uprising

PatrickMcGinnisII: An omage to a movie isn't a TM/copyright infringement, I don't really see why they did it

MSmits: the great purge was what i call the renaming of arena's

PatrickMcGinnisII: oh sorry

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: aah all right

MSmits: PatrickMcGinnisII i completely agree, they went way too far with it

MSmits: it's like renaming it was cheaper than checking with a lawyer

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: just to make sure I guess

MSmits: well a lawyer can make sure too, but this costs money

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: GitC is probably my favourite one too at the moment

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I've played many games like it in the past. there you had to do the moving yourself of course

MSmits: I like gitc, but wasn't very good at it

MSmits: i didnt know what search type to use on finding the best moves

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: so now I'm trying to capture my experience in hard coded commands lol

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: yeah, it's far from evident

MSmits: I remember getting to silver and then 3 months later getting to gold out of the blue, from someone pushing me over boss

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: whoa how does that happen?

MSmits: people submit

MSmits: lose battles to you

MSmits: you go up in rating

MSmits: can also go down, but lucky streaks happen

PatrickMcGinnisII: maybe they were tired of the github repos of Fantastic Bits code ... I dunno.

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: but don't you have to beat the boss yourself?

MSmits: no, you have to be ranked above the boss

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: aaah

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: which movie is green circle referencing

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: that's how I got to bronze in GitC then

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I was rank 1, just below the boss at some point

MSmits: Nikanameu dont think it references a movie. It was made to accomodate a company. Green refers to sustainable energy.

PatrickMcGinnisII: Nikanameu I think it's refereencing the sponsor companies commitment to green tech

PatrickMcGinnisII: hmmm, i defer to u MSmits

MSmits: as you should :P

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: pecking order among programmers lol

MSmits: Aldoggen sometimes you can play perfectly and still not get to the next league on submit

MSmits: this happened to me in the lower league of dots and boxes

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: it's just luck I guess

PatrickMcGinnisII: MSmits I been redoing my Galleon Wars code, any recommendations?

MSmits: no, i havent made a serious bot for that one PatrickMcGinnisII

MSmits: i think i watched a YT and copied their code

MSmits: a long time ago

MSmits: just to get bronze

PatrickMcGinnisII: I have sumbitted on every multi, some good...some bad... revisions are definetely necessary to regain CP i lost on green circle

PatrickMcGinnisII: omg, MSmits u in wood2...sry

MSmits: lol

MSmits: thats possible too

MSmits: i just have a crap bot is all i know

MSmits: i have a crap bot on some of those ex contests. Mean max too

PatrickMcGinnisII: yep, i submitted crap bot for mean max

MSmits: I'll get to them at some point

MSmits: one thing at a time. It's great escape now

MSmits: kinda like this one

PatrickMcGinnisII: but i can do better than 1277th in Galleon ...

MSmits: yeah seems likely

PatrickMcGinnisII: hmm great escape, oh yall were talkin bout it earlier

MSmits: yeah, I am going to try a mcts for it

PatrickMcGinnisII: eww

MSmits: first version is just bfs. got out of wood for it, now 229/1210 bronze

PatrickMcGinnisII: I think full sim is like 42 depth

MSmits: 42 depth?

MSmits: are you talking about branching?

MSmits: or do you mean random rollout?

PatrickMcGinnisII: 10 walls *2, plus max move distance ... I think the math works out to around 42 depth

MSmits: i will probably not roll out till end of game. Randomly placing walls seems bad

PatrickMcGinnisII: i couldn't figure out the eval for depth... 5 to 6

MSmits: I could just use bfs distance as the end result and backprop that

MSmits: need to bfs anyway to check noone is blocked

PatrickMcGinnisII: simple path inserrtions got me to depth

MSmits: yeah makes sense

PatrickMcGinnisII: I know how to pack the wall info into 64 bits, but unpacking into nodelists were too cpu intensive

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: then you obviously need to perform all calculations on those 64 bits

struct: MSmits floodfill might work here

MSmits: how so struct?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: slash (/) s gives me an error that that command doesn't exists lol

PatrickMcGinnisII: my pathfinders are FF

struct: Yeah floodfill can be used as pathfinder

struct: basicly you keep doing floodfill to not visited cells and when you reach end

struct: the iteration of flood will match the distance

MSmits: that's bfs basically

MSmits: i got to rank 229 bronze with just bfs

MSmits: no walls

struct: nice

PatrickMcGinnisII: the 9x9 visited map screws up performance

MSmits: why ?

Astrobytes: php

MSmits: void SetVisited(int x, int y) { visited[y] |= 1 << x; }

MSmits: void ResetVisited() { memset(visited, 0, 9 * sizeof(int)); }

MSmits: works fast

Astrobytes: you don't even need the memset if you do it the counting way

PatrickMcGinnisII: no memset in php, array setting/copying is not ideal

MSmits: yeah i know Astrobytes, wasnt any better when i tested though

aCat: counting way?

MSmits: yeah you have integers that go up, but you'll need more of them

MSmits: 81 integers instead of 9

PatrickMcGinnisII: i saw the counting way on a puzzle reecently, it is fast

aCat: ah ok, right bet then no bits

BlaiseEbuth: Oy there. What's the multi?

MSmits: talking about great escape

MSmits: I think mainly for the mcts, I need to prune walls to consider

MSmits: can't consider all 128 wall placements

BlaiseEbuth: Old things coming back...

Astrobytes: mcts?

MSmits: yeah

Astrobytes: interesting approach

MSmits: why not mcts

MSmits: i think yurko did it, he's rank 2

Astrobytes: no, not condemning it or anything :D

BlaiseEbuth: 2 is not 1

MSmits: the other one is the contest winner I think

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: 2 is better than bronze

MSmits: yes

Astrobytes: indeed :D

MSmits: 2 is not 1, but it proves it's a valid approach. I just have to do it better :)

BlaiseEbuth: Better is better than worse

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: then you'll be rank 2 :p

MSmits: rating difference is like 0.4 or something, he's probably randomly 2

MSmits: 0.47

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: ah, still possible to become rank 2 I guess

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: but harder

PatrickMcGinnisII: i still say MC on GE is kinda yucky, definetely have to direct it with some starting position strategy

MSmits: mcts you mean?

MSmits: mc is a different thing

PatrickMcGinnisII: yessum

MSmits: you can just consider a limited amount of walls

MSmits: like, walls near your opponent

MSmits: and near yourself

Astrobytes: I never finished my GE bot, think its in silver or something

MSmits: once you coded the mcts, that pruning strategy is all you need to think about

BlaiseEbuth: Same Astro. Well it was...

MSmits: astro 971st

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: is it possible to demote?

Astrobytes: no Aldoggen

Astrobytes: thankfully

Astrobytes: ty MSmits

Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth ;)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: all right :)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: brb

struct: maybe add close to the last placed wall MSmits :)

PatrickMcGinnisII: definetely off/def. game ... maybe a 3 depth minmax... and then a mcts on like top 50 leaves . that was what I wanted to try, but never did

PatrickMcGinnisII: I think it's like 27^3 ... which i could do in php\

martinpapa69: test

martinpapa69: still old thumbnail wtf

struct: restart your browser

struct: idk how it works tbh

struct: its cached in your browser

martinpapa69: still

martinpapa69: ctrl f5 should do the job, its server thing

PatrickMcGinnisII: chat is on last legs

PatrickMcGinnisII: GL MSmits, let us know how it goes

BlaiseEbuth: Nah cach stay even after refresh

MSmits: will do thanks PatrickMcGinnisII

martinpapa69: what about ctrl f5 ?

MSmits: and good idea struct

eulerscheZahl: browser restart doesn't clear your cache unless you changed the default settings. ctrl+f5 sounds much more promising to me

PatrickMcGinnisII: <alt>+F4 solves my problems

martinpapa69: :)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I'm implementing a Voronoi-based eval for line racing. I just realized this method will also always try to maximize the amount of moves in case it gets stuck. I like that

BlaiseEbuth: Another math teacher explode...

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: explode?

BlaiseEbuth: Yeah. Boom

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: why?

BlaiseEbuth: Seems the 'Voronoi' people do for line racing is not a Voronoi mathematically speaking. But I don't know exactly, I'm not a math teacher. Proof: I didn't explode

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: XD

wediaklup: good proof

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I'm glad I didn't become a math teacher

Westicles: Another way of saying 'I'm glad I didn't major in math'

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I did

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: well

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I'm messing about with the last couple of courses

struct: I do have a major in math

struct: maths*

Astrobytes: ;)

BlaiseEbuth: Yeah that doesn't look like fun... They don't have the right to make humor, and if they do they mutate into physics teachers... :scream:

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: my math teacher in the last years of high school constantly cracked little math jokes

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: was a civil engineer tho

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: maybe they are allowed

BlaiseEbuth: :thinking:

Astrobytes: Starving parrot == polynomial

Astrobytes: (Polly no-meal)

Astrobytes: not my 'joke' thankfully

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: an old lady I once knew had a parrot. when she first bought him, he did nothing but curse

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: (this is a joke btw)

Westicles: maths and sport are the two biggies where US guys will think you have a learning disability or something

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: she tried a lot of stuff, but finally the only thing that worked was putting him in the freezer

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: first couple of seconds he still cursed, but after that it became awfully quiet

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: she opened the fridge, and the parrot shyly stepped out

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: he said "I'm sorry for my behaviour. I'll stop cursing from now on."

PatrickMcGinnisII: I did rank high on line racing using voroni calc of each direction

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: And followed with "And by the way, may I know what the chickend did to you?"

MSmits: lol

Default avatar.png putibuzu: :D

BlaiseEbuth: :D

Astrobytes: :rofl:

Astrobytes: love it

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: punchline is soo good imo

MSmits: this is like a norm macdonald joke

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: maybe it's his, Idk where it came from

BlaiseEbuth: Ffs Astrobytes... And ZarthaxX is a cartesian bear who changed its coordinates system.

Astrobytes: :D

Westicles: they used to tell poles in the left-hand plane jokes in college but it might offend jacek

BlaiseEbuth: oO

Westicles: or maybe it was right :thinking:

BlaiseEbuth: Oo

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: BlaiseEbuth love how it's now the other eye that's bigger

BlaiseEbuth: OO

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: oo

PatrickMcGinnisII: right hand rule physics jokes can get a bit dirty

PatrickMcGinnisII: :zipper_mouth:

MSmits: Westicles: Polish joke

PatrickMcGinnisII: nyone ever notice that Elon Musk is literally applying Afro-Engineering, since he was born in S. Africa?


Astrobytes: MSmits :D

MSmits: norm macdonald is always good :)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: MSmits the last line was delivered deadpan too lol

Nerchio: kek

Astrobytes: indeed he is

BlaiseEbuth: musk...

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: why are some puzzles giving more XP than others in same category

struct: Some where made by CG

struct: non CG puzzles only give 50exp

Westicles: now YT is going to recommend norm OJ jokes until I erase cookies

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: nintendo 500 shadows 2 750 i dont understand

struct: shadows 2 has an achievement

struct: that gives 250exp

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I was gonna say because they made it the f up

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: but that sounds more plausible

MSmits: westicles =) they are good oj jokes though

MSmits: that's my lucky stabbin' cap!

Westicles: heh heh

MSmits: he got fired for those actually

MSmits: producer was a friend of oj's

MSmits: and he wouldn't stop

Westicles: that's what they say, but I suspect the Clinton jokes might have been a factor as well

Westicles: lucky he wasn't killed

MSmits: yeah. I heard bill clinton killed a guy

MSmits: (is norm macdonald joke)

MSmits: he did this on like a morning show too

eulerscheZahl: isn't he eating babies?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: why not both!

PatrickMcGinnisII: Told my GF I wasn't gonna get my haircut til I got laid, my dreadlocks are getting annoying. I should get a haircut and freak her out, she'll think I'm stepping out on her. meh.

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: at the same time!

MSmits: no no, this was way before conspiracy theories were a thing Euler

MSmits: he was just making fun

MSmits: on a US morning show

MSmits: even

Astrobytes: wasn't it hilary that eats babies? According to the consp. theorists/alt-right

eulerscheZahl: why not both?

MSmits: i think a lot of people eat them

Astrobytes: :D

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: lol

eulerscheZahl: bill gates too. you can tell by how young he still looks

Astrobytes: ever seen the movie Dumplings?

eulerscheZahl: nope, should i put it on my list?

Astrobytes: Yes!

MSmits: what kills me about this conspiracy is not even that they think people drink the blood of babies, but that they think it works

PatrickMcGinnisII: hillary has lost her mind from injecting hormones from glands of fetuses

Westicles: that bohemian grove thing is for real though

Astrobytes: Hong Kong horror-ish, but something of a tale of morality

Astrobytes: every time I make steamed dumplings, I remember it

Westicles: dress up like owls and worship... something.

eulerscheZahl: somehow i always think about ducklings when reading dumplings. and then think "what the hell is he eating?"

MSmits: so it's like going to church in the woods Westicles?

Westicles: I don't know, the YT conspiracy guys always say they can't talk about it or they'll get deleted

Astrobytes: because it's completely false?

Astrobytes: Or...?

MSmits: I think you have to be religious for this sort of thing to bother you anyway. Even if they go worship some totem or other it's the same as any other kind of worship to me

Westicles: It is a pillar of the Conspiracy Iceberg!

Astrobytes: I bet this owl cosplay stuff is a hoot :P

MSmits: norm joke!

MSmits: good one

Astrobytes: I should have left the emoji off

MSmits: yep

jacek: :neutral_face:

Lisa-Has-Ideas: I heard an certain ex-prez has a steering wheel fetish.... Hey it's just what I heard.

Lisa-Has-Ideas: Geez... I think I'm responding on theme, and then I realize I am responding to something from hours ago. Just ignore me :)

eulerscheZahl: no, it still fits

Astrobytes: Yep

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: you waited so long it came back around

Lisa-Has-Ideas: (hehe, yep)

eulerscheZahl: bashing trump is never out of place

eulerscheZahl: or T**** as stephen colbert censors it

Astrobytes: extra points if you do it when Westicles is around

jacek: wheres that github thing

eulerscheZahl: W isn't a Trump fan

Astrobytes: no I know

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: why on earth is there a in java

Astrobytes: It's just more fun

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: it's interfering with map.Entry

Westicles: Trump or Bernie, either one for the chaos

Lisa-Has-Ideas: I mean steering wheels are nice and round, they dont object to any one putting hands on them, and you can steer them right. Also some are fuzzy.

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: extra points if the horn is nice

Astrobytes: all about that horn

Lisa-Has-Ideas: (yes, if they are horny)

Lisa-Has-Ideas: tap that horn

Westicles: something something blow the airbag

Lisa-Has-Ideas: He's into the Power steering

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: damn, keep your steering wheel fetish out the chat

Astrobytes: :rofl:

eulerscheZahl: the imagination of trump throwing his lunch at the wall when angry amused me

Astrobytes: cheeseburger wall decor

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: who is best country leader

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: if you get lucky, you can almost make the US flag with ketchup and mayo

PatrickMcGinnisII: next up: the nuclear football

PatrickMcGinnisII: herre, hold this between your legs...;do u feel the power?

**PatrickMcGinnisII needs to shut up

Lisa-Has-Ideas: And yet all the TrumPets would defend him: "Hey, its his football."

Westicles: Justin Castreau?


eulerscheZahl: he's odd indeed

Astrobytes: where tf did that Trudeau conspiracy come from

Westicles: he looks just like him

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: his mom liked castreau

Westicles: and his mom hung out with him

Westicles: and he's the right age

Astrobytes: never heard so much shite in my life :rofl:

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: more handsome man


Lisa-Has-Ideas: Hey y'all I just got my very first Classic Puzzle Approved/published. If so inclined, go solve it (easy) and give it a solid 5/5


Westicles: too much cutting and pasting

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I can't seem to tab-complete Automaton2000's name anymore. did I already say that

Automaton2000: so at least i think that is what you do with it?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: ?

Westicles: people are stunned by the castreau facts

Astrobytes: Actually I'm brushing my hair

Astrobytes: takes a while

BlaiseEbuth: :lion_face:

Westicles: KTG went from 6 1-stars to 4. People are torn, losing sleep over it

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: ktg?

Westicles: kiss the girls

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: lol

eulerscheZahl: you could play the puzzle of the week with your hair

MSmits: are you telling him to light his hair on fire?

Astrobytes: :o

BlaiseEbuth: :metal:

jacek: oO

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: HOT

BlaiseEbuth: (╯°□°)╯︵ Oo

jacek: - That. - She.

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: - You look radiant today!

Astrobytes: hahaha

Westicles: bottle rockets flying tomorrow, it could happen

jacek: why

jacek: all of the failures help to fuel success, in the bloody and visceral weather game of chess ~

MSmits: or you can just play indoors

Astrobytes: Yeah, shuffleboard chess is overrated

Astrobytes: well, the big outdoor boards, not technically shuffleboard but you get the idea

MSmits: when i google shuffleboard i get something totally different

Westicles: My mane is purple and my coat is orange What I've become? I have no idea.

jacek: oO

Westicles: jacek is that a MLP song?

MSmits: trump put on the wrong wig and leaked his bronzer all over his coat

MSmits: did i solve the riddle?:

jacek: its CNN song

jacek: or was it RNN :thinking:


jacek: (warning: youtube link from jacek)

Astrobytes: Good lord. Whatever you do, do not google those lyrics and listen to the 'song'

BlaiseEbuth: Why? :innocent:

jacek: and now you convinced them

MSmits: wait did CG just autolabelled jacek's message

MSmits: with a warning?

jacek: its kind old mlp-based fanfic of how rainbows are created

Astrobytes: It's beyond atrocious. Like coin coin coin is Grammy-winning compared to this

Westicles: oh I was just joking, it really is MLP

jacek: those multilayer perceptrons eh

BlaiseEbuth: Astrobytes where are you? I can't hear you... My hears are bleeding and I think my brain is leaking too... :cry:

Astrobytes: :D

jacek: :innocent:

**BlaiseEbuth strangle jacek with his halo.

Astrobytes: jacek:


jacek: they made movie about me?

Astrobytes: I'd rather listen to Où es-tu mon petit anus? for 24 hours than watch that bronycon thing

Westicles: heh heh

BlaiseEbuth: Why does she have her unerwear on her head?

BlaiseEbuth: +d

Westicles: she's horse famous

jacek: stop horsing around

Astrobytes: this weekend I planned to do some things on CG, instead all I achieved was an FR takeover of World and a bunch of new terrible songs

Astrobytes: A successful weekend at least

BlaiseEbuth: :ok_hand:

jacek: here, have some aww

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: nice

Astrobytes: lol, that's actually pretty good

jacek: :rage:

Astrobytes: why the rageface?

jacek: i thought i trolled you once again

jacek: not many occasions :(

Astrobytes: no that was pretty awesome

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: good anime

Astrobytes: you can keep trolling me on discord after the chat goes, don't worry jacek

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I think you trolled me

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I was expecting cute kittens or puppies or something

jacek: :tada:

BlaiseEbuth: You can keep trolling on cheloniangall... :innocent:

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: instead I got nazis and cu clux clan

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: and i actually had to look up how to spell that last one

jacek: theyre catholics...

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: yeah, so?

Astrobytes: indeed @BlaiseEbuth, turtle power

BlaiseEbuth: :turtle:

Astrobytes: Aldoggen: K's not c's (I have no idea why that is)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: aah, right, thought something was off

PatrickMcGinnisII: Artificial Emotional Intelligence: I didn't like it

jacek: wah

Westicles: nope

Westicles: two lines of code buried in 40 lines of formatting

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: oof

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: soup text

BlaiseEbuth: How can you say that. This contribution has been legitimately approvate by very serious and attentive people, as always...

Astrobytes: damn, that puzzle looks really annoying

PatrickMcGinnisII: I mean it's easy ... but I think i spent more time editing the const arrays

Astrobytes: some ascii maths and printing lots of shit

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: imagine if this was CoC

Astrobytes: then I wouldn't have to look at it :)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: and I just called .lower().split(", ") on the text I copied lol

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: python ftw

Astrobytes: I usually do easy-medium puzzles in python first

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I only do them in python lol

Astrobytes: I bet there's a perl one liner for this

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: can I use semicolons?

Astrobytes: sure

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: it'd probably work in python then

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: (sorry, don't know perl)

Astrobytes: don't worry, I've forgotten most of it too

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: she didn't include a consonant list

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: grrrr

jacek: you cant sit on keyboard anymore?

Astrobytes: lol

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: what?

PatrickMcGinnisII: I learned PERL for a job interview in West Palm Beach, I couldn't believe what the company was trying to do ... (this was in like '95) ... I told them to f*ck off and left.

jacek: to do perl

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: lol

Astrobytes: $%&^*()_@:><?}{ probably does something

BlaiseEbuth: As a great man said "Perl users are well educated, otherwise they would code in Java."

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: well

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: thanks

Astrobytes: :rofl:

Astrobytes: who said that?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: a great man

jacek: she

PatrickMcGinnisII: lol Astrobytes $my&^doessomething

BlaiseEbuth: A french Perler

Astrobytes: You

BlaiseEbuth: Some kind of Perl evangelist if I can say

jacek: was french made in perl

Astrobytes: Patrick try poetry in perl

Astrobytes: perl wasn't made in french at least jacek

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: and on top of that, her lists are 1-indexed

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I can't believe this

PatrickMcGinnisII: I think I still have those Perl books, glad i didn't return them to the library to screw up more people

PatrickMcGinnisII: wasted two weeks of my life

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: they can still serve as toilet paper

Astrobytes: eh come on, perl is actually pretty cool

jacek: :no_mouth:

Astrobytes: It was much better than python, nobody really knew what python was for until relatively recently

PatrickMcGinnisII: server admins were getting good $ back in the day using perl...not for me

jacek: isnt php a derivative of perl

BlaiseEbuth: Perl is <3

PatrickMcGinnisII: ./eatme

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: hmm my AI sounds a bit robotic

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: "It's so nice to meet you, my dear sincere ['F', 'r', 'a', 'n', 'k', 'i', 'e']. "

Astrobytes: after I left my job at the search engine and did my year of bartending in corfu, I ended up having to build a website for my boss, and he wanted a custom guestbook, I wrote that in perl

Astrobytes: 2001

**PatrickMcGinnisII needs a :baby_bottle:


BlaiseEbuth: Perl. Is. Perfect

Astrobytes: "Because of the dire consequences of having sex with URI, one should make sure you're well protected."

**PatrickMcGinnisII is marked safe from Perl today

Astrobytes: When my ex asked me if I knew R and could I help her with it I told her that all pirates know R. Took a little explaining

BlaiseEbuth: Arrr!

Astrobytes: indeed


Default avatar.png Aldoggen: til pirates are statisticians

Astrobytes: not all, but all statisticians are pirates :P

tobk: What's up with the new Green Circle bosses? At first I thought my mid-silver bot would not make it out of Wood 4 (looked really close), now in Wood 2, straight wins...

jacek: the bosses are default ai

jacek: they will discuss if green circle multi will have previous leagues

jacek: full rules since wood2

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I'd say all pirates know R and hence must be statisticians, since there's not much need for R outside of statistics

PatrickMcGinnisII: yall should be thankful this tree doesn't bring up bad memories

PatrickMcGinnisII: P pirate smh

Astrobytes: Aldoggen: fair point. She (and I) only ever used it for bioinformatics stuff (both biologists)

Astrobytes: And I hate bioinformatics

jacek: i used R in one subject. the guy didnt care, he just graded stuff so it follows gaussian distribution

Astrobytes: :P

PatrickMcGinnisII: unless u work for the CDC, Rrrrr

Astrobytes: I don't. What did they do?

PatrickMcGinnisII: center for disease control, virus R factor... not important

j4at: why a lot of people use R instead of Python ?

PatrickMcGinnisII: never used R, does it have like high math precision or something?

Astrobytes: stats-wise it's better and possibly faster

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: many operations are by default vectorized

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I think

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: it's really made to work with datasets

jacek: can you make NN in it

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: you can make NN in bf if you want

PatrickMcGinnisII: can it find ~A matrix solutions for me?

Astrobytes: yeah for matrix math etc, it's always been top dog in that respect. Python though, with certain math libs and ML libs I'm sure can compete

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: Astrobytes I think I'd hate bioinformatics too, but I know nothing about it

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: python has some nice ml libs last time I heard

Astrobytes: I just always preferred other people to analyze my data for me and send it back

j4at: Python is faster than R unless big vectorizable data. In that case you can use libraries.

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: PatrickMcGinnisII ~A matrix solutions? do you mean matrix inverse? it probably can

PatrickMcGinnisII: well that's cool at least

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: the * is matrix multiplication by default I think

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: don't remember

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: sounds weird tho

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: ah nope * is just pointwise

BlaiseEbuth: Why people use a fast and efficient language designed for the task they want to accomplish when they can use a generic purpose and not so good language (euphemysm) to do it? :3

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: wrap it in percent signs to get the matrix operation lol

Astrobytes: j4at: most things I came across in various bioinformatics depts. were built around frameworks built in C++, with R and python parts

Astrobytes: for things like RNA microarray data etc

PatrickMcGinnisII: There's 1 or 2 puzzles on here that will melt your brain if you can't write your own ~A matrix maker

j4at: python has @ operator for matrix multiplication btw

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: can you point me to one PatrickMcGinnisII?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I'm trying to procrastinate from bugfixing line racing

Astrobytes: lie racing?

Astrobytes: *Line

Astrobytes: ohh tron

BlaiseEbuth: tron

PatrickMcGinnisII: Teacher I know lost his job teaching USGS and datasets, then CoV happened ... THEN they needed him ... I don't think he knows R tho

Astrobytes: any search or even reflex with a heuristic of most squares reachable should be fine for that

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: j4at does it do that by default?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: yup tron

jacek: i think its for numpy

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: aah makes sense

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: Astrobytes I'm implementing something using voronoi, but it's basically multiple flood fills at the same time

Astrobytes: scipy has some handy things too, I mean it's not like python is bad or anything

Astrobytes: Aldoggen: yeah, that sounds like you're on the right track

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I don't think I am. currently 8 inent levels deep

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: indent*

Astrobytes: refactor

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: once I get it working I'm gonna buy some milk

Astrobytes: get it working then refactor

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: aka abandon it for ever

j4at: yes it have by default. Its not for just numpy you can use it with lists/tuples

Astrobytes: lol pretty much

j4at: Aldoggen

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I wanna test that out now lol

j4at: But everyone uses library :3

Astrobytes: hmm, my line racing needs some work

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for @: 'list' and 'list'

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: sad

jacek: its in DLC

Astrobytes: :P

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: lol

BlaiseEbuth: ngl

PatrickMcGinnisII: Aldoggen I can't find the puzlle

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: til python is p2w

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: ty for searching PatrickMcGinnisII

Astrobytes: python immortal

BlaiseEbuth: $_$

Astrobytes: :smiling imp:

Astrobytes: :Smiling_imp:

Astrobytes: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: :smiling_imp:

j4at: oh, its actually for numpy :o

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: XD

Astrobytes: :imp:

j4at: My bad hehe

BlaiseEbuth: ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I had a suspicion j4at

jacek: :upside_down:

Astrobytes: trolling us eh j4at :P

BlaiseEbuth: There's no trolls here.

jacek: :no_mouth:

BlaiseEbuth: Nah. I recognized the name.

BlaiseEbuth: No more hears anyway

Astrobytes: *ears

jacek: you dont like castlevania?

Astrobytes: *lost your hearing, ears don't work

Astrobytes: ears and hears are great for French

Astrobytes: :D

j4at: Oh @ actually works with lists


j4at: ^

BlaiseEbuth: Poor humans who only have ears when I have hears... :imp:

jacek: belgium youtube?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: HI lost my hears, and now HI can't 'ear anymore

Astrobytes: :rofl:

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I'm not clicking any of those links

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: my laptop is connected to boxes

Astrobytes: XcQ eh

BlaiseEbuth: Yeah...

Astrobytes: that one looks familiar

BlaiseEbuth: It's a trap

Astrobytes: Im never gonna click on that

BlaiseEbuth: But you know the rules, and so do I

Astrobytes: when euler extracted the links from the chat logs, rickroll was 13th place

BlaiseEbuth: eZ did that?

Astrobytes: Yeah, on Friday? I think


Astrobytes: maybe yesterday morning

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I wonder what was shared more than rickroll

BlaiseEbuth: Oh. What was first?

Astrobytes: was directly above rickroll


Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I have fond memories of this one. my array wouldn't update or something

j4at: you cane

Astrobytes: :(

j4at: you can make @ works with lists you need to overload __matmul__

j4at: and use custom lists

j4at: :p

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: what a weak paste bin it say invalid so weak so weak


BlaiseEbuth: matmul... That sounds like a Gread Old One name...

Astrobytes: that's all I have, not the full list

Astrobytes: and not a full extraction either

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: what is that

j4at: a virus

j4at: don't open

Astrobytes: the extracted links from partial chat logs

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: only open once you've overridden the mathmul operator on it

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: jaat weak joke

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: Nikanameu weak level

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: uncle roger reference no personal

Default avatar.png Nikanameu:

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: all right

Astrobytes: Nikanameu: default CG pastebin is broken

j4at: 8th link is self promotion

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: it's thibault probably

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: so it's fine?

BlaiseEbuth: The JBM Twich is 7th eh.

Astrobytes: no another thibaud

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: oh wait wow

Astrobytes: he did a lot of streaming and an unofficial 'contest' too

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: my impersonation maybe weak

Astrobytes: so not self-promotion

Astrobytes: but hey, who cares eh, this will all disappear in a matter of days

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: :cry:

j4at: :'(

j4at: before that

j4at: guys, follow me in github I will do feet reveal when i reach 3 followers

Astrobytes: :rofl:

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: why disappear

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: getting 3 followers would be a feat

Astrobytes: I give out code on my patreon and only fans

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: is it sit-on-your-keyboard-perl?

Astrobytes: Nikanameu: they're 86ing the webchat next week

Astrobytes: Aldoggen: if requested

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: mmmm ;)

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: i don't know what that means

Astrobytes: :rofl:

Astrobytes: Nikanameu: they're getting rid of it this coming week

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: the chat will be terminated this week

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: and my voronoi is too slow

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: somehow

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: no more chat why

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: my blender broke today now chat

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: it's too expensive to keep somehow

Astrobytes: Nikanameu:

jacek: you think he didnt see that? its pinned

Astrobytes: :P

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: i have selective reading

jacek: lysdexia?

Astrobytes: where do you keep it?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: dslxyia

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: ah, I forgot an e

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: filtering what i don't need

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: dyslexia bad filtering good

Astrobytes: sometimes you need to dig deeper.

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: increase tolerance can decrease quality

j4at: I'm actually a NN created by jacek to increase the quality of the messages in chat, to stop it from being deleted. Now, after I failed my job he decided to terminate me :skull:

BlaiseEbuth: Oo

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: shouldn't ahve trolled me about @ :p

Astrobytes: Nikanameu: leave that for the computer, we are more nuanced

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: chat distracting maybe is to increase productivity

Astrobytes: distraction is not the chats problem, just the user

jacek: which user

Astrobytes: you

jacek: :(

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: he did nothing wrong

Astrobytes: ask a silly question...

Default avatar.png HenroLST: j4at :astonished:

Astrobytes: Nikanameu: this is jacek we are speaking with

Astrobytes: aka Trollpony Extraordinaire

Astrobytes: I swear half the reason I will miss this chat is because of jacek

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: no other code site has chat

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: all forum

j4at: and me ?

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: who?

Astrobytes: no just jacek :P

Default avatar.png HenroLST: j4at arent you jacek's NN though?

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: that's why i said who

j4at: Yeah I'm supposed to be better

Astrobytes: I got that Nikanameu

j4at: Well, there is no hope I hacked the Russians nuclear warheads. He can't terminate me now, OR I will destroy Australia

Default avatar.png HenroLST: Dang

Default avatar.png HenroLST: not the emu's

jacek: not the alps

Astrobytes: Not sure if many would notice, other than the fallout and whatnot

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: those alps are pretty southern suddenly

Astrobytes: lol right

j4at: well the spider will try to find a new home

Default avatar.png HenroLST: they teleported

j4at: so I bet you will all notice

Default avatar.png HenroLST: australian secret

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: war no fun, everyone talking big now we all get ... in trouble, NATO, Russia, China, no matter who right or wrong

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: but since autralia is upside down, the nuke would just fall away into the sky

Astrobytes: jacek: AustrALIA not Austria

jacek: :upside_down:

Default avatar.png HenroLST: hmmm

Astrobytes: Nikanameu: indeed

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: jacek is suddenly australian too

j4at: Jacek is Australian :o

Default avatar.png HenroLST: Dang

arfelious: are all players listed as online clashers?

Astrobytes: Poles apart :rofl:

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: maybe post fallout australia will be written austria to make name shorter

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: think so

Default avatar.png HenroLST: then would austria be ...

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: yep doesn't make sense to me

j4at: upside down Austria

Astrobytes: Austria might be just aus at that point

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I guess

Astrobytes: (there's a joke in there)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: could you say ich bin aus aus?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: or does that not fit,

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: ?*

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: and my flood fill is way too slow lol

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: why is the timeout so short

Astrobytes: seems legit, euler would be best to confirm that though

Astrobytes: probably another word used for that

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: google translate says ich komme aus australien

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: so it probably works :)

Astrobytes: Never mind the time limit, why is your code so slow is the question you need to ask

j4at: how to e10 in c++ ?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I know

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: how do people implement flood fill? lol

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I'm putting strings in twodimensional arraylists

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: that's about it

jacek: strings in array? :scream:

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: XD

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: strings aren't mutable, so might as well right?

j4at: well, seems like no uses C++ here

jacek: double x = e10?

j4at: e10 deez nuts

jacek: oO

Default avatar.png HenroLST: magic

Default avatar.png HenroLST: ...

Default avatar.png HenroLST: jacek fix your NN

Astrobytes: exp(10)?

Astrobytes: grim joke

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: does just e10 not work?

Astrobytes: might do

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: when next week is chat dead

Astrobytes: never tried tbh

j4at: In python we use 1e10

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I looked at some random reference. seems like it should work. idk

Default avatar.png Odins_Kin: How am I to start learning things in here if I am unsure of how to play

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: make sure you use python3, have another tab with w3schools open, and try things out

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I guess

Default avatar.png Odins_Kin: thank you

Astrobytes: 1e10 should work fine in C++

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: Odins_Kin no problem. if you have specific questions, hit me up in chat. chat will disappear some time next week tho

Default avatar.png Odins_Kin: how do I reach you right now then?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I think j4 was just making a dees nuts joke

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: discord I guess?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: or do private messages still work?

Astrobytes: Aldoggen: hence my "grim joke"

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: ah

Astrobytes: no, all messaging will be removed

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: sad

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: well, there is a codingame discord server Odins_Kin

Astrobytes: can still contact people on the forum, and discord, if you don't know someones discord username just ask

Astrobytes: someone should know

Astrobytes: hopefully

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: mine is the same on discord

Astrobytes: mine is the same middle part of my discord name

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: welp can't find it on the CG server if you're there

j4at: Humans don't understand comedy, I guess. Alphazero can't stop laughing everytime I tell him a dees nuts joke.

Default avatar.png krishna636: hi guys, I am new here

Default avatar.png krishna636: where should I start from, any suggestions?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: j4at lol

j4at: follow this tutorial krishna636

Default avatar.png krishna636: bruh..

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: that's why chat dying

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: krishna636 the easy puzzles. if you don't know any programming languages, start with python. w3schools is a useful resource

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: have fun!

Default avatar.png krishna636: thanks Aldoggen

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: i start on atcoder easiest way to learn

Default avatar.png Odins_Kin: Aldoggen what's your for digit tag so I can hit you up in the discord chat

Astrobytes: Odins_Kin: join the CG discord

Astrobytes: You'll find the username easily

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: you can @

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: and start typing my CG name

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: this chat so many memories i don't have :'(

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: i'm wondering whether the CG discord will liven up once this chat dies out

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: hey Nikanameu, I started two weeks ago. I missed almost all of it

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: still, I already have some nice memories :)

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: i started during contest

Astrobytes: If we make it so I guess, but so many people will not or can not move to discord

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: looked ugly so i went away

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: the green circle? yep

Astrobytes: the last contest Nikanameu?

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: yes sorry

jacek: best contest ever eh

Astrobytes: it was... a difficult contest

Astrobytes: jacek :D

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I looked at the rules, and went to do something else

jacek: so difficult i havent bothered reading the rules

Astrobytes: the statement was kinda off

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: miss me with that flying s

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: i read your forum post jacek you did good

Astrobytes: he certainly did :)

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: are you doing any other contest site jhacek

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I still find it funny he didn't read the rules and just crammed the inputs into... was it NN? dont' remember

Astrobytes: yeah, deep Q-learning

jacek: no. i rarely do contests for real. this one worked

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: aah

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: talent

Astrobytes: have you seen jaceks board game rankings on here?

Astrobytes: most of those are utilising NN

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: i see complain no ML support

jacek: you make your own ML with blackjack and hookers

j4at: yeah, jacek was just lucky

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: and you?

Astrobytes: it takes a little bit of manipulation to fit these things into CG-palatable input but it can be done

j4at: I didn't want to participate to give you a chance

Astrobytes: (he failed and gave up too early :D )

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: after all, j4at is the better version of jacek

j4at: Yeah they should increase chars limit from 100k to 1m

Astrobytes: that's what clever encoding is for

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: what limit?

j4at: Well, someone write a library bc I'm not clever enough

Astrobytes: there are scripts

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: oh, code in the IDE?

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: MCTS always works

Astrobytes: if you look in the chat logs I think robo shared some nice stuff, or just ask jacek or whoever

j4at: send links I'm not clever enough to use google

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: others train bot on MCTS makes it better faster stronger

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: jacek share nice stuff

Default avatar.png GVART96: Hey guys is there a way to integrate codeingames with some of Jetbrains IDEs?

Astrobytes: you can use cg sync or cg local plugins (browser)

Astrobytes: they sync with the file you work on, so IDE independent

PiterYeh: did CG kill shortest CoC?

Astrobytes: updates in the CG IDE

Default avatar.png GVART96: gonna try, ty

PiterYeh: i logged on to play "just one" shortest... but it's been 50 minutes :D

Astrobytes: no, still a thing afaik

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: next week biggest CERN experiment maybe chat gone anyway

PiterYeh: aight... back in the queue i guess

j4at: I have 12.5 m NN. I will give whoever can fit it in CG. the secrets to survive CERN experiments

jacek: use black hole to fit your NN into several bytes

jacek: kurisu made it

Default avatar.png HenroLST: ...

j4at: Well, the closest black hole is 1000 light years.

Astrobytes: OR IS IT

jacek: youre not weeb enough

j4at: oh steins gate

jacek: :tada:

struct: just make smaller NNs

Astrobytes: OR CAN YOU?

j4at: ladies likes it big tho

Astrobytes: OR DO THEY?

j4at: like*

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: smaller like 1 layer perceptron no learning

Astrobytes: OR IS IT?

jacek: most my NNs have mostly 1 hidden layer, at most 2

Astrobytes: OR DO THEY?

j4at: MLP KEK

Astrobytes: Lack of Gumball appreciation here is sad

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: all recent study show bigger is where it is at

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: increase gpt 3 to 10x and it will look like sentient being

j4at: That's for transformers which what i'm using normally :)

j4at: But stopped bc of CG :(

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: lies you wasn't in contest

j4at: Huh ?

struct: my SR NN is 15k chars

Astrobytes: OR IS IT

j4at: I'm 24th in the hardest contest.

j4at: Search race how dare you inult me

j4at: jk :p

Astrobytes: Or are you? Or did it?!


j4at: Jacek you don't use GPU to train ?

jacek: im too dumb

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: lol

j4at: Well, we all dumb that's why we should use frameworks :)

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: nvidia cuda cores all you need to know

j4at: Kaggle offers free GPU servers :)

Astrobytes: or write your own around existing libs

j4at: tensor cores :)

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: quantum tensor cuda hyper-omega cores

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I forgot to add 2000

Astrobytes: Quores

Astrobytes: (that might be a thing, I don't know)

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: 30 hour gpu but kaggle contest need all week

j4at: My dude destroying us using only CPU. And I'm here renting RTX 3090 servers

jacek: going green

j4at: GPU are more green because a lot faster

j4at: RTX 3090 is not the most green GPU tho

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: then why bitcoin sanctions

j4at: but I use my GTX 1080 normally

Astrobytes: depends on power consumption not speed

jacek: you went full green in last contest so you should be 1st

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: and LHR limitations on anything lower than 3090 ?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: Astrobytes quores sounds too much like chores

Astrobytes: Aldoggen: lol fair point

j4at: Astrobytes it depends on powerconsumption/speed -_-

Astrobytes: naturally, but power consumption is usually higher for people using higher powered gpus because they leave them running far longer

j4at: GPUS are like x100 faster than CPUS

Astrobytes: no shit

j4at: so yeah gpus are more green

j4at: I should have gotten the first place :)

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: then get fast car it uses almost no fuel because it goes fast

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: no work like that

Astrobytes: lets get into production of gpus shall we? Soooooo green

j4at: bruh you can train the nn in 1 minutes instead of an hour

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: you think small

j4at: GPUS are totally worth it :)

Astrobytes: Sure. But don't call it green.

Default avatar.png MRBlack01: hi for all

Default avatar.png MRBlack01: new user

Default avatar.png MRBlack01: here

j4at: GPUS > CPUS :)

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: j4at playing a prank nobody using gpu 1 minute

j4at: ofc no one uses a gpu for 1 minute

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: why you think stronger computer need better power supply

Astrobytes: I'll just let that play out

j4at: Check supercomputers that uses cpus powerusage compared to GPU super computers

struct: so GPUs beat CPUs on everything?

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: ok you solved world power problem if everyone uses super power consuming devices we use less electricity

j4at: struct nope

j4at: CPUS are smarter and offer less delay

Astrobytes: just more environmentally friendly :rofl:

j4at: GPUS are more environmentally friendly.

j4at: Imagine If OpenAI uses 50K CPU instead of 500 GPU

struct: well you are saying for NNs

j4at: imagine if miners still use cpus

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: maybe you are onto something Quantum computers are magnitudes faster so maybe they can slow down consumption

j4at: because they started with cpus

j4at: they woudl use a lot mroe power

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: miners do it all day

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: nobody limits their income omg

Astrobytes: in the short term vs CPU of course they are more green and efficient, but that isn't how they are used, they are used CONSTANTLY

Astrobytes: don't see people doing that with CPUs because it's stupid

j4at: THey don't do it with CPUS because CPUS are slow

j4at: THey used to tho

Astrobytes: you are so missing the point

j4at: In ancient days of bitcoin

j4at: they used cpus

jacek: this is the most green

struct: my bike is faster than my car and its more green

struct: but when it rains I get wet

Astrobytes: anyway, I'm out for tonight. Hopefully chat is still here for us to argue tomorrow :D

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: they used pen and paper

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: ok i am too slow

jacek: slowpoke

struct: and cuda programming is not trivial

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: jacek mining with his pen and paper right now has link open all the time

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: better chat gone than argue this

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: i need use my time better omg j4at

jacek: welp you dont need cuda with tensorflow or pytorch

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: Astrobytes gn!

j4at: pen and paper are not energy efficient don't do it Nikanameu

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: does it make you emit green gases?

j4at: yeah you fart a lot when you do cryptography.

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: you fart green gases O.o

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: ?*

j4at: yeah :)

j4at: Also paper is made of wood

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I wanna see that

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I thought it was the other way around

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: we throw away paper and trees grow out of it

j4at: You didn't watch cartoons ? Theirs farts is always green

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I've seen white ones too

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: I think

Default avatar.png Nikanameu: burning 40 years consecutively how you stop climate change?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: lol more than half the easy puzzles I've done were to help other people

j4at: THe should rename wood league in green circle

j4at: they*

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: to paper league?

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: sounds good

j4at: no, to tree league

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: sounds fun when you're in tree three league

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: all right I'm off for the night

Default avatar.png Aldoggen: gn!

struct: gn

j4at: gn

Default avatar.png HenroLST: farewelll

Default avatar.png Sympthey: How is everyones day going thus far?

MAWAAW: good

Default avatar.png anxiom: 'supp

Default avatar.png Sympthey: SUo

Default avatar.png Sympthey: Sup

Default avatar.png anxiom: Clc ?

M0hammed: hi

Default avatar.png hamza_hix: hello how are you

Default avatar.png hamza_hix: ?

Default avatar.png MonarchButterfly: og.log ={7

Default avatar.png HenroLST: when 2*2=4 and 2^2 = 4 and 2+2=4

Job_Nuttakarn: console.log("hello world")

Default avatar.png Gosen_Nekko: true programmers know that 2^2 = 0