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AryanTripathi: scored 92.5% in my exams lesssss goooooo

AryanTripathi: @nicola you always online but you don't chat lmao

eulerscheZahl: 92.5% less than what?

eulerscheZahl: nicol a is mostly active on #fr

emh: good morning

eulerscheZahl: the source code is confusing me. when i disturb an opponent, i have to give a card (so far, so clear) when i don't have a skill card anymore after giving, i get to draw a new card?

eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/societe-generale/GreenCircle/blob/62fb2c43108c1dd7d7fd2da8041f43567be36774/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Game.java#L435

kovi: If they do not have any skill card in hand, they get 2 Technical Debt cards.

Default avatar.png FootDuck: subscribe to technoblade

Default avatar.png FootDuck: wrong chat

eulerscheZahl: that's what i understand from the statement too

eulerscheZahl: but i don't get how the code reflects this

eulerscheZahl: also: "when i don't have a skill card anymore **after giving**"

eulerscheZahl: so: i have 1 skill card. i pass it on. i have none left. ?i get a new one?

kovi: you are right code seems quite different from description :(

eulerscheZahl: i try to trigger the case and analyze the replay

eulerscheZahl: hm, won't occur often

eulerscheZahl: i should just finish the sim to my understanding of the rules and then analyze any differences to the real one

therealbeef: i think that get number of cards to throw can never be 0 at that point

therealbeef: it seems not updated by giving a card

therealbeef: and if you had nothing to throw you had nothing to give either

therealbeef: so the give card function wouldn't be called

Ayushman965: hey are there ever any contests for less experienced coders? (like me)

Ayza: It's really the leagues Ayushman965

Ayza: but you probably always still need some experience for the first league

AshamanCooper: The sping challenge was a good one, with the spiders. The video will walk you though the first bit to give you an idea on what to do, and you can improve it as you learn. This one I keep thinking I got it, just to still be missing a part to win not using random...

eulerscheZahl: the spiders couldn't convince me, too heuristic-heavy

AshamanCooper: I had to look that up, but would that not just be programing in a nutshell...?

eulerscheZahl: there are other games where you can simulate the game a few turns ahead to analyze the possible outcomes of your actions

eulerscheZahl: more fun for me personally, feels less like patching one thing and breaking some other instead

AshamanCooper: It does feel like reaction a lot of the time.

AshamanCooper: YES!!! passed division 1 of wood for the Green Circle. I have been at this all day!!

TINOUAINANI: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642193728

TINOUAINANI: in 30 how I RELEASE an application with just 7 skills without getting a dept card ?

TINOUAINANI: can some one help me ?

eulerscheZahl: i guess you did some automation before

TINOUAINANI: oh i see thanks

eulerscheZahl: frame 15: CONTINUOUS_INTEGRATION 8

jacek: i can get to ~20th but when i woke up i was 5th. so all i need is just to wait :3

AshamanCooper: wth is the cardTypeID??

[SG]Sebastien: AshamanCooper: it's the numeric id (0 for training, 1 for coding...7 for refactoring, 8 for bonus)

AshamanCooper: Just figured this out, even seeing this 5 min ago would have helped, thank you. I had a repl on my card class that I forgot about and made debugging worse lol.

jacek: when PLAYED_CARDS was added lol

emh: jacek with the update yesterday

emh: hmm.. my release criteria is mostly myScore < opponentScore.. kinda works, but I should find a better idea I guess as I'm usually behind opponent in this way

emh: release critera with debt that is

jacek: Automaton2000 where are your cards

Automaton2000: it used to be an easy puzzle

therealbeef: we're way past that point Automaton2000

Automaton2000: i have a better version

raxkin: Can anyone explain me this case: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642227670

Turn 43, how it's possible to release the app 23. There is not enougth points to release, and on top of that it only gets 1 technical debt

raxkin: And similar for the next releases

TINOUAINANI: can I throw the bonus card in POST ADMINSTARATIF?

tobk: Can someone explain what exactly ARCHITECTURE_STUDY "The team will draw one more card at the beginning of their turn." means? I can pick 2 (or 3, 4, ...) cards from the desk I MOVE to?

emh: raxkin each skill card has 2 good skills and 2 shoddy skills. it adds up

emh: and the shoddy skills are of any type

raxkin: emh i know, but it have 2 skill card and 1 bonus, that's 2+2 + 1+1, so it's not able to release the app that requires 4/4

raxkin: missing 2

emh: you have 2 coding and 1 training. that's 6 good skills and 6 shoddy

emh: tobk nope, not from the desk, from your draw pile at the start of the turn. instead of 4 cards you get 5,6,7...

raxkin: it's on the blue guy

raxkin: that is releasing

emh: ohh

tobk: emh ah, that makes sense, thanks!

emh: raxkin he has 4 automated bonus

emh: you can see if you hover over his player

raxkin: Oh i understand it now

raxkin: thanks

Default avatar.png Dream1234: good morning

tobk: does an "automated" skill card still provide 2 good + 2 shoddy, or just 1 good?

MSmits: still does everything tobk

tobk: Thanks! But like "permanent" they are still gone after the release, right?

MSmits: no

MSmits: continuous integration is *really* permanent

tobk: Oh, that's nice! Thanks again.

jacek: they are more permanent than permanent skills :thinking:

MSmits: np

tobk: The rules in this one are really complex... :-D

Default avatar.png Dream1234: have you guys done algorithms on hackerrank Im struggling with TBS problem and spieses reviesed

MSmits: well, the complexity is not that big, but everything is really wordy

Default avatar.png Dream1234: okay thx

MSmits: if they just called it mana or something with various colors and the colors having specific powers, you would not find it as complex

tobk: The explaining video being in french does not help that much, either (although the automated subtitles are some help) :-P

AshamanCooper: far to much.. I think I have my code to the point I can get it to do most anything, it tracks alot, but I am not sure what to tell it to do..

Default avatar.png Dream1234: interesting

MSmits: AshamanCooper now the real test begins :)

MSmits: what was the new location? "PLAYED_CARDS" ?

AshamanCooper: I haven't watch it yet, but I am hoping this will help me understand. https://youtu.be/dlat7r5FygU let see how inspired it really was, hopefully alot.

MSmits: exact wording i mean

DaNinja: PLAYED_CARDS

MSmits: it doesn't show up when i reset the code (in the comments)

MSmits: ah ok thanks

DaNinja: its shwon in the "Next cardLocationsCount lines:" section

DaNinja: *shown

MSmits: you mean in the statement

jacek: so they didnt update stub

MSmits: apparently not

jacek: dat QA

MSmits: it's better if they do, for players that join this weekend

MSmits: lol c++ is the worst. I added the cardlocation to my bot, but forgot to increase my cardsarray by 10. It just happily runs and starts overwriting memory locations.

MSmits: i start releasing apps that dont exist

emh: why are you using c++? do you need performance? are you writing sim?

MSmits: yeah i am trying to

MSmits: might need performance, might not

MSmits: hard to say at this point

emh: I feel it's gonna be too hard to write a probabilistic sim

MSmits: dont want to have to convert next weekend

emh: hehe

jacek: "i start releasing apps that dont exist" thats reminds me of something

MSmits: also, even though C++ is way worse than working with C# for example, i do it a lot, so my familiarity with it offsets the inconvenience

eulerscheZahl: for me c# is both more convenient and more familiar

emh: I like C++. avoiding pointers I rarely segfault anymore

jacek: the problem with C++ is it works overwriting some memory then much later BAH!, some random error

MSmits: C# has a lot of useful features I don't know about

jacek: at some other place and you look into that place

eulerscheZahl: C# adds so much in every big release, i lost track as well

MSmits: jacek yes that is what just happened to me. Thankfully i noticed the error relatively quickly. Could have taken me hours

MSmits: btw, i might create a local arena in C#

MSmits: if i have the time

MSmits: some windows forms thingy

MSmits: since cg benchmark isnt really an option anymore

eulerscheZahl: try the new .ne MAUI. it's platform independent

eulerscheZahl: .net

MSmits: why is it useful for it to be platform independent?

eulerscheZahl: so i can use it too?

MSmits: lol

MSmits: ok

MSmits: i need to use something thats familiar to me. I use windows forms every day

eulerscheZahl: well, not sure if linux is even part of maui :(

jacek: so you can run arena in the phone youll win in this contest

MSmits: lol

eulerscheZahl: it's for windows, macOS, android, iOS

eulerscheZahl: and in the end you just add a single webview to the UI and do the rest in Blazor

MSmits: uh ok...

MSmits: something to investigate wen i have more than 9 days

MSmits: when

emh: I've reached a plateau with my bot. waiting for a new meta. or lightning strike me with a new idea

eulerscheZahl: youtube: Tim Corey does great tutorials to get you started on various .net technologies

AshamanCooper: What are sims and why is performance on here import. is that just good practice? I am new and those statement make no sense to me.

MSmits: thanks, will note that down euler

eulerscheZahl: Nick Chapsas for deeper insights on small details. like memory management and performance with C#

MSmits: AshamanCooper sim means simulating the game state when you make a move

jacek: it may not be that important in this contest, but it is important in many bot games

MSmits: preferably you should be able to see the result from applying various moves and pick the one that gives the best result

MSmits: the more you simulate, the more time it takes, so you want it to be fast

jacek: think of chess engine analyzing deeper moves

MSmits: if you dont know how to do this, dont worry about it in this game really. There's simpler games to learn how to do this with

MSmits: simple if/else rules will go a long way herew

emh: ahh Zylo resubmitted that's why I'm 3rd

Zylo: ok, I'm looking...

Zylo: (not here, sorry)

emh: haha

Zylo: :-P I've answered for old comment and then I got a new ones

Zylo: emh: for now top5 play in different way but have similar "play power"

jacek: ifs power

emh: hmm ok

emh: rock paper scissors

MSmits: mmh you can use TASK prio on 2 cards of the same type?

Zylo: I have many loops also :-P

MSmits: that seems unproductive :P

MSmits: also it seems like you cant pick a bonus card with it?

emh: can't you pick a bonus card by picking from an empty desk?

MSmits: not sure, maybe ?

MSmits: I just meant you cant use index 8

MSmits: as a target

emh: yeah

MSmits: but you can point to your own bonus card with it

MSmits: so 8 7 is ok

MSmits: 7 8 is not

kovi: permanent skills cannot be used for release?

MSmits: no

MSmits: they are in your discard pile

MSmits: you used em

MSmits: wait

MSmits: i thought you meant the continuous integration card itself

MSmits: but thats not permanent

MSmits: you mean daily routine

MSmits: and architecture

kovi: yes

MSmits: you used those and you get a separate modifier for having used them

MSmits: when you use them they go into played cards, then discard, then back into draw

MSmits: so you can use the same daily routine card multiple times and they stack

MSmits: but you cant release with it on a turn where you played it

kovi: my original question: can i use them while in permanent position for release or not?

MSmits: no

kovi: thx

emh: MSmits ahh I seem to have botched the selection of bonus cards for TASK_PRIORITY after a change. added a TODO

MSmits: i am confused about 1 thing now though

MSmits: do they go in discard when used?

MSmits: or is this permanent position a card location?

kovi: no. they stay with "player"

Astrobytes: I still have no idea what I'm doing

MSmits: is it a card location?

kovi: they go to discard after release

MSmits: yea ofc

MSmits: but where do you get them in input

MSmits: it's one of the 5 cards, so where is it?

MSmits: hand/played/discard/draw ?

MSmits: Astrobytes many don't

MSmits: i sort of understand most rules and can sim them, but other things confuse me

Astrobytes: oh they added PLAYED_CARDS

Astrobytes: Yeah, some of the details are a bit vague

MSmits: very

emh: I didn't bother about PLAYED_CARDS but now I realized you need it for cards left

Astrobytes: saves us having to track it manually at least

MSmits: yeah i was worried about having to do that

MSmits: mmh can someone check this. Near the end of the game (frame 104 for example). The architecture cards count up to a total of 4. This suggests the "permanent" architecture skill also takes up one of the 5.

MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642262387

MSmits: which means that when you want to calculate how many cards are in the desk, you also need to take into account the permanent skills of the players

wlesavo: MSmits yeah, all permanents are consumed

MSmits: so not just 5 - hand - draw - played - desk - 2x auto, but also subtract the permanent for archi and daily

kovi: yes, those are "slots" (disappear from all other piles)

MSmits: that's very easy to miss though

emh: I missed it

MSmits: wlesavo "consumed" is a very dubious statement

MSmits: the important thing is the card locations

wlesavo: not obvious from the rules, as many other things

MSmits: apparently the permanent skills are 2 more possible card locations

wlesavo: MSmits well i mean it in the way it is not present in any hand or board

MSmits: yeah i got that now :)

MSmits: it's just all very confusing

Default avatar.png Paroni: Thinking of this as an actual board game helped me a lot I think. Most rules are pretty intuitive that way. For example, the permanent cards are tracked by having them in front of the player on the table.

kovi: exactly (i just thought that they can be used as well - before discard)

jacek: you just need to buy physical copy

MSmits: they disappear from the hand in the viewer kovi, thats how i know they cant

MSmits: there's just a permanent skill nr that goes up +1

kovi: yeah, i though they are like automated

kovi: with spefic additional benefit

MSmits: automated are weird too as they can *only* be used for release

eulerscheZahl: the list of valid inputs implies that TASK_PRIORITIZATION can only take a skill card. but reading the source it's also legal to pick a bonus card, isn't it?

MSmits: yep, but its not

MSmits: you can trade away a bonus card

MSmits: but not receive one from the bonus pile

MSmits: but you can receive one from an empty skill desk

MSmits: so 7 8 is allowed and 8 7 is not

MSmits: wait

MSmits: the other way around

MSmits: 8 7 is allowed

eulerscheZahl: are you sure? https://github.com/societe-generale/GreenCircle/blob/62fb2c43108c1dd7d7fd2da8041f43567be36774/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Game.java#L288-L291

eulerscheZahl: i should be able to pick up an 8

MSmits: I am just going from the random actions i get offerd

MSmits: maybe it doesnt show up in random

eulerscheZahl: also those tiny things really pull me off while reading thrownCard vs cardTaken

eulerscheZahl: can't you call it takenCard for consistency?

MSmits: yeah]

MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/06051f91-d9fb-419e-a7ac-6cb049508340

eulerscheZahl: and that's my point: i think the list of actions doesn't 100% match what we are allowed to do

MSmits: there is no 2nd index 8

eulerscheZahl: i know

MSmits: ah ok

eulerscheZahl: time to hardcode and see, i guess

MSmits: well good that makes things easier. In my sim i should only consider picking up bonus cards directly from the bonus pile then

MSmits: and ignore empty desks

Astrobytes: but what about "If you need to draw a skill card from a desk and there are none left, you will draw a BONUS skill card instead. If there is no BONUS skill card left, you will get no card."

jacek: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/83eb8cac-ad88-4d7d-9649-0f67783f4030

MSmits: yeah not all possible orders are in there jacek

MSmits: you miss task 7 8

MSmits: for example

jacek: w00t

jacek: this is from referee :f

MSmits: huh

MSmits: where in referee?

jacek: that is, not my sim

MSmits: is this the possible actions from the random selection or is this some limit on the actual possible actions?

jacek: possible moves from hundreds of random games

Rafarafa: task priority needs a skill card I think

Rafarafa: that's why no 8 right?

MSmits: yeah so you are taking this from the list of randoms jacek

MSmits: this list is not complete, it doesnt give you all the options you have

MSmits: Rafarafa you can give away an 8 according to the list, but not take an 8

MSmits: which is wrong if you read the source code

MSmits: you *can* take an 8

Rafarafa: wait so the tooltip is wrong?

MSmits: throw new GameRuleException(command, "you can only deprioritize a card type between 0 and 8");

MSmits: throw new GameRuleException(command, "you can only prioritize a card type between 0 and 8");

MSmits: from the referee

eulerscheZahl: 8 is bonus

jacek: inclusive or exclusive

MSmits: inclusive

MSmits: because we already know 8 is allowed for giving away

eulerscheZahl: the question is, what i can get instead

MSmits: how do you mean euler?

eulerscheZahl: wait a moment, trying to hardcode it

eulerscheZahl: frame 26 https://www.codingame.com/replay/642283199

eulerscheZahl: getting a bonus for a skill card. this should not be possible according to list of possible inputs provided

emh: https://github.com/societe-generale/GreenCircle/blob/62fb2c43108c1dd7d7fd2da8041f43567be36774/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Game.java#L734 there is the code that doesn't generate the 8s

eulerscheZahl: TASK_PRIORITIZATION 7 8

MSmits: nice one eulerscheZahl :)

jacek: darn. will they fix the inputs or restrict the 8?

MSmits: it's not really an issue tbh

MSmits: only people who dont generate moves lose this option

Astrobytes: well since it's wrong it kinda is :D

MSmits: and they can just pick an empty desk for a bonus anyways

jacek: i dont generate moves ;f

MSmits: yeah ok, but it is a small issue compared to so many other confusing things

eulerscheZahl: that's why i read the code instead of messy statement

emh: there is not always an empty desk though

Smekarn: euler: Was TASK_PRIORITIZATION 7 8 among the possible moves given to you?

MSmits: if there's not, you can get your favorite card, why would you want bonus then

eulerscheZahl: painful to make progress but you catch this kind of easter-egg

emh: MSmits ahh true enough

MSmits: ye reading the source definitely helps

eulerscheZahl: Smekarn i don't heve the inputs for this specific turn, but:

eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d1f82586-ce41-4dcc-bc74-946da341ebf6

eulerscheZahl: they never offer you to trade an "x 8" but it's possible regardless

eulerscheZahl: referee even handles that case separately

eulerscheZahl: so doesn't look accidental to me

Smekarn: I see, nice catch!

struct: So I can do TASK_PRIO 0-7 8?

Astrobytes: Yes

MSmits: no

MSmits: TASK_PRIO 0-8 8?

MSmits: you can trade bonus for bonus

Astrobytes: oh right you are

struct: so TASK _PRIO 0-8 0-8?

MSmits: yep

struct: thanks

MSmits: we are here all day figuring out to the rules for you :P

Astrobytes: getting another coffee

struct: jacek will have to starting generating moves

struct: its not too hard I guess

MSmits: yep

jacek: :scream:

struct: I think making a NN work might be harder than generating moves, but what do I know

MSmits: it's super easy, barely an inconvenience

jacek: nah, its impossible for this game due to not perfect information

MSmits: it's still possible using azero style

MSmits: it's just crazy hard and if you dont make it in 9 days you have nothing

struct: The hardest part of this game is the sim part of admin

struct: imo

MSmits: because the throw happens in 2 phases?

struct: even if it was just one

struct: I just add pending move to gamestate

MSmits: looking at my sim function for it you are correct, it is the largest, but mostly because it is 2 cards

MSmits: you dont want to double the possibilities so i consider 2 identical and then do the i 0 to 8 and j i+1 to 8

MSmits: as card A, then card B is the same as card B, then card A

MSmits: and you need to keep track of the throw phase so your sim knows there is only 1 card left to throw

struct: But you are not taking into account card A card A with that are you?

MSmits: yes i am

MSmits: 2 identical

struct: ah

struct: didnt read the start sry

MSmits: np, you see,the size of my chattext is parallel to the size of the function

struct: lol

emh: I also have a big function. it's called main

emh: where everything lives, more or less

MSmits: I have some advice that will blow your mind emh

emh: MSmits what is it?

MSmits: make a function void MASSIVE_IF_FOREST() . this will clean your main right ip

MSmits: up

emh: hehe

struct: Next thing is are going to say is that you use the online ide

Astrobytes: :rofl:

MSmits: i have a dilemma

MSmits: my solver now picks the winning moves with the lowest TD

MSmits: but if i input training and code cards, the solver no longer predicts the win, but a win probability

eulerscheZahl: TD? tower defense?

MSmits: technical debt

eulerscheZahl: makes more sense in this context

MSmits: so do i want the highest win probability or do i want the lowest TD

emh: struct I do use the online IDE

Astrobytes: was hoping for temporal difference

MSmits: lol

MSmits: i shouldnt call it win prob, i should call it app-5 release probability

emh: I don't have too many ifs. just 50

Astrobytes: that is indeed a dilemma. I would say test it

struct: I need probabilities? im screwed

MSmits: this is starting to look very similar to locam

jacek: Temporal Difference?

MSmits: in that game i would use brute force and usually only use 1% of calc time except in rare instances where it used all

jacek: oops not scrolled

MSmits: you also had phases in a turn there

emh: oops wrong file.. I do have too many ifs. 160

struct: more ifs than all my bots combined

MSmits: in code a la mode i had over 300 ifs

MSmits: and i used a beam search :P

emh: hehe nice

emh: 160 ifs. 49 else. 49 for loops.

emh: 1309 lines

MSmits: nice

MSmits: difficult bot to modify

emh: yes especially there's repeated distance desk take code everywhere

emh: after daily routine skill

Astrobytes: 560 lines and all it does is read the input and store it :o

MSmits: oh that, i didnt even get around to simulating that

Sheeesh---: i just crashed the game

Sheeesh---: and didn't save the replay

Sheeesh---: what a waste

Default avatar.png jimliu: hi

MSmits: you crashed your bot or the actual game?

Default avatar.png jimliu: yes

Sheeesh---: the actual game

MSmits: oh... thats bad, someone else will crash it though

Sheeesh---: dunno if i can repeat it

Astrobytes: try

Sheeesh---: i did it again

MSmits: oops

Sheeesh---: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642295674

Sheeesh---: sheeeesh!

eulerscheZahl: 470 lines here - for an untested sim

emh: ohh I'm in your replay

MSmits: me too

MSmits: I think everyone is in that replay

wlesavo: yeah

Sheeesh---: yeah

Astrobytes: Yep

Sheeesh---: lol

wlesavo: nice :smiley:

struct: whats the error Sheeesh--- ?

Sheeesh---: the replay has an empty icon for me

Smekarn: My strategy: Take only TRAINING and CODING cards, release the first app as soon as possible. Then you should be able to stall the game until round 200 by only playing TRAINING/CODING cards. This loop is possible since I draw new cards from the discard pile.

struct: that referee throws

Sheeesh---: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/bd0d6f70-6b4e-4a14-a789-be54e11885d1

Astrobytes: my 560 also includes all my utility classes (timers, random, logging etc)

Sheeesh---: here is it

therealbeef: out of cheese error

eulerscheZahl: congrats Sheeesh--- you found a way to crash the referee

MSmits: sheesh

eulerscheZahl: submit this in the arena and get 100% draw rate

Sheeesh---: it's an honor

Sheeesh---: wait

wlesavo: i have ~400 loc with 70 ifs :slight_smile:

struct: Legend here I come

struct: im just gonna do CTTT tactics

struct: if I cant win crash

Astrobytes: :D

MSmits: cooperative tic tac toe?

Astrobytes: Counting lol

MSmits: o

MSmits: oh i copy moves there

MSmits: except when is solve the game,it is funny

Astrobytes: uttt == uncooperative tictactoe

MSmits: yeah

Sheeesh---: it dosen't happen in arena tho

Sheeesh---: doesn't

Sheeesh---: just got scammed

struct: It should even if rare

struct: They referee is the same

StevenV: Hello guys

~Gambit~: can a bonus skill be a shoddy skill

Astrobytes: one good, one shoddy

struct: Bonus = one good point for any skill and a shoddy

emh: uhh ohh 12 losses in a row against Zylo's new submit. down to rank 5

~Gambit~: ok

Astrobytes: debating whether or not to continue along the sim-based route or just make an if-forest :thinking:

struct: Im gonna finish the sim

struct: Because then I can use it anyways

struct: It wont be wasted

Astrobytes: true

DaNinja: 210 lines now, debating whether to bother with a sim

struct: Im coding a sim because im not very good at coding heuristics

vsa: too much caffeine.

MSmits: same

MSmits: (struct)

emh: my Master thesis was a heuristic

emh: but more loops than ifs

MSmits: my Master thesis was a sim :P

NotSureWhyThisWorks: what would be a simple algorithm to use with a sim for this type of game?

MSmits: (not kidding)

MSmits: brute force = try all moves

NotSureWhyThisWorks: so run to the max depth that time limit allows, and choose best first move?

StevenV: I think another Heuristic

MSmits: dont want to say too much, but no not necessarily like that in this game, try to fully understand the game first

emh: just took a shower. a good heuristic is to wash the dirty areas more

Astrobytes: A wise decision.

MSmits: I feel dirtier reading that than when I saw your csb modification

Astrobytes: :rofl:

StevenV: csb

MSmits: mad pod racing

emh: hehe

StevenV: where is antiwonto?

MSmits: he changed the pods for another thing starting with p

StevenV: ah

Astrobytes: Pandas

MSmits: naturally

StevenV: is the bot still there, let me check

struct: :taco: Automaton2000

MSmits: he doesnt want to get banned for it

Automaton2000: and i forgot to change it

MSmits: might be copyright infringement, not sure he used his own p

Astrobytes: :D

emh: what's wrong with pandas eating eucalyptus?

MSmits: nothing, it's cute

emh: see. you have nothing to worry about

MSmits: true

eulerscheZahl: if it's his P, it surely isn't his V

StevenV: panda won't eat eucalyptus

struct: I dont think thats true

MSmits: are you objecting over realism StevenV?

struct: There are a lot of eucalyptus in portugal but no pandas

struct: I think its related

MSmits: solid proof

eulerscheZahl: because you have a panda-repelling stone

StevenV: haha

eulerscheZahl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm2W0sq9ddU&ab_channel=notesonvirginia

MSmits: oh, did not get that reference

MSmits: I must be too young

MSmits: it's a good rock to have though

MSmits: it rocks

StevenV: I just realize that the card in hand got discarded at the end of the turn :D

MSmits: milestone reached

StevenV: haha

Astrobytes: Pandas eat bamboo

StevenV: yup

MSmits: hey, so if you accidentally play daily prio, you can now crash your bot by only providing one index on the move command?

emh: ahh so it's Koalas

emh: who eat eucalyptus

Astrobytes: Yes.

Astrobytes: And koalas are not bears.

emh: bear with me I'm not a zoologist

MSmits: koala bears are not bears?

Astrobytes: But pandas are.

Astrobytes: Giant pandas at least.

Astrobytes: MSmits: no they're marsupials

MSmits: o

MSmits: I just googled the :poop: out of marsupials

emh: I need a koala to optimize my mars lander

StevenV: same

Astrobytes: marsupials = think pouches for carrying young

Astrobytes: kangaroos etc

MSmits: yeah it's ok Astrobytes your job is done. google is handling the follow up

MSmits: :)

Astrobytes: OK. Test on Monday, 9am sharp

MSmits: got it

Astrobytes: :D

MSmits: I'm mostly submitting for detecting crashes/bugs

struct: gets rank 1

MSmits: heh not possible, i am only simming the last turn

StevenV: ___

MSmits: doing the simplest possible heuristics for other turns

StevenV: I am a Java dev, so ...

StevenV: sim algorithm is far

MSmits: far?

emh: I'm not a Java dev, but I'm doing GC in Java because of the good starter bot

Astrobytes: out of reach I think MSmits

MSmits: ohh

StevenV: too far for me to get the algorithm work good enough

struct: I'm not a dev so I use C++

Astrobytes: LOL emh

Astrobytes: same struct. C++: the language of non-devs

StevenV: I used the starter bot for Java for the 1st day, and well the bot won't even compile

StevenV: wasn't

Astrobytes: they fixed that I think StevenV

StevenV: yeah

emh: one of my friends likened malloc to Molloch, the demon

Astrobytes: :rofl:

struct: Is there any way to give tech debt to opponent?

MSmits: never used malloc

MSmits: struct not directly

eulerscheZahl: so you are more of a calloc type of person?

MSmits: but you can block desks so he has to skip over you and pass admin desk

MSmits: i havent used any allocs

struct: I see, thanks

MSmits: i just use fixed arrays for everything

Astrobytes: I suppose memset is Memnoch then

emh: I coded a kd-tree to lookup in freedb once. I think I used malloc there

struct: brb

emh: Astrobytes lol

Astrobytes: :grin:

emh: Astrobytes do you like Ardbeg?

Astrobytes: The single malt?

emh: yes

emh: I have one in the closet. it's smoky as hell

Astrobytes: Yes I do. More of a Talisker guy but I really dig most of the Islays

emh: nice

emh: I haven't tried Talisker

Astrobytes: Yeah the peatier and smokier they are the better, imo

Astrobytes: I've been to the Talisker distillery on Skye, beautiful round there

emh: cool

Astrobytes: and they served 16-18 year old Talisker in the pub: very very nice

emh: have you seen "richard patterson how to drink whisky" on youtube?

emh: it's entertaining

Astrobytes: no I have not

Astrobytes: Noted for later watching

emh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frRonhQdRdQ

Astrobytes: thanks!

Astrobytes: I like him already :D

Michael_Howard: Is the number of cards left on a desk given somewhere or do you just count who was where on a MOVE gamePhase?

MSmits: hmm, say you dont have daily prio > 0, can you still use move 3 3

MSmits: Michael_Howard no it's not given, you need to calculate

Michael_Howard: Thanks.

MSmits: yay it works

MSmits: MOVE 7 7 😀

MSmits: with no daily prio. You can still specify the desk you want to take it from

struct: it works before it thinks its a player message

struct: it works becasue*

MSmits: mmh

MSmits: I guess

Mathieu_Hidalf: z

Mathieu_Hidalf: z

Mathieu_Hidalf: z

struct: dont spam

StevenV: no daily prio, you can output move 7 6 and it still work

struct: ofc it works

struct: Working as intended

StevenV: and 6 is player message in this case

therealbeef: just like move 7 42

MSmits: well i am just going to assume the referee is smart enough to understand i want to move to desk 7 and get a card from desk 7 :P

struct: It should work yes

struct: or you can just check if a == b

struct: when you output

MSmits: yeah i guess

MSmits: but i am lazy

Default avatar.png Chinmay_1729: hey guys

struct: hi

MSmits: hey

MSmits: allright, i am going to try to sim the training card... this is going to be painful

struct: Everything is painfull

MSmits: you mean this whole game

MSmits: ?

MSmits: or is this your general outlook on life?

struct: The worst part is move, to throw, to give to apply action

struct: Both

MSmits: thats all parts except release

kovi: the flow is just messy

emh: poor simmers. my sympathies

MSmits: simpathies

emh: hehe. the last game I remember simming was Fantastic Bits. a lot of work

aCat: :-)

MSmits: it is , but this one is especially difficult because of the random element

struct: Im just gonna use the bot I made for backgammon

aCat: yeah random inside your actions is painful

emh: lucky you struct writing reusable code

struct: emh the joke is that my backgammon bot is cout << "random\n";

struct: so in theory I have the same bot

aCat: but its not that cpp is fast enough to do some expect here?

emh: ohh hehe

aCat: random sims or test expected values

struct: I have an idea of what search to use

struct: If it will work or not, I have no idea

struct: I never really played game with rng elements like this

MSmits: locam had this, but people just ignored the rng

MSmits: you could get away with that

MSmits: in this game you cant because of the train and coding mostly

struct: Could you draw cards during your turn on locam?

struct: ah ok

struct: You type too fast MSmits

MSmits: people only simmed their own turn on locam and maybe the opponent turn while ignoring their hand

MSmits: but noone simmed a second turn

kovi: afaik there was no time for that

MSmits: actually there was, most turns took 1 ms to sim

MSmits: but too much unknown

struct: There was plenty of time, you had 30 days :p

MSmits: that too

emh: lol what happened I'm numero uno

struct: grats

emh: thanks to 9 wins in a row against Zach-Leee

emh: thank you struct

Default avatar.png JamesWrank: Anyone to help me out a little at the first Mad Pod Race ? Not sure why my ship isnt moving I just added a simple condition :(

Default avatar.png JamesWrank: if x == next_checkpoint_x: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/e326e6bc-34cc-4731-818a-9e2ab49e085a

struct: sure

struct: print(str(next_checkpoint_x) + " " + str(next_checkpoint_y) + " 50")

struct: you always need to print x y and thrust

Default avatar.png JamesWrank: Ooh alright

struct: the first if and elif make you output illegal actions

Default avatar.png JamesWrank: So i'm not sure how to make it move straight then ^^

struct: Ok so try removing the part that you pasted

jacek: you can reset to default code and then fix the y y thing

struct: Yeah

struct: do what jacek said

struct: should be easier

struct: Reset is on top right of ide

jacek: "do what jacek said" - struct

jacek: always trust jacek

Default avatar.png JamesWrank: Alright I listen to jacek ^^

MSmits: do what jacek is almost always a good idea except when it isn't

MSmits: 60% of the time it works every time

PatrickMcGinnisII: ctrl+Z, love good undo

Default avatar.png JamesWrank: So the fix here is just in the output line ? Don't need any condition ?

struct: yeah for first league you should only fix the output

emh: I should make instructional videos for csb newbies. pay to view. point of view

Default avatar.png JamesWrank: Alright that's a hint! thanks guys <3

aCat: is there a difference between played and discard?

struct: yes

struct: because discard pile can still be shuffled to the draw pile

struct: during your plays

struct: abut the played cards cant

struct: but*

aCat: yuu sure?

struct: 50%

aCat: so if I do training lot of times

aCat: hahaha

aCat: not what I expected

struct: if you do training a lot of times they all go into played cards

aCat: yeah but you should draw more

struct: you still do

struct: but you cant draw the played cards

struct: That were played between move and release

struct: of that turn

aCat: so if i empty my discard, more trainings wil not draw from played?

China-xyh: Does anyone here would like to play a Clash of Code?

struct: Correct aCat

China-xyh: #clash

Default avatar.png JamesWrank: -Oh my god

struct: played go into discard after release I guess

Default avatar.png JamesWrank: I didnt see there was 2 y in the output

Default avatar.png JamesWrank: That was so simple I overcomplicated it so much :D

struct: np

~Gambit~: can someone help me (green cirlce). With continous_integration skill i can automate one card, can't I automate continous_integration card type

struct: you can

struct: but you need to have 2 in hand

kovi: and automation is only for release

struct: ^

~Gambit~: yeah i'm trying keep one in automation. I'm getting a error. i only have 2 card

therealbeef: so you also cannot task prioritize itself back to the board?

PatrickMcGinnisII: This event is confusing, some phases only happen if u have a training card in hand?

eulerscheZahl: skill card in general

[SG]Sebastien: phases only happen if you have a decision to make

PatrickMcGinnisII: or a release is available... but could drop a ton of debt on you if u don't wait

PatrickMcGinnisII: so wierd

eulerscheZahl: oh, Sebastien is here. i have an annotation to make

eulerscheZahl: frame 26 https://www.codingame.com/replay/642283199 getting a bonus for a skill card. this should not be possible according to list of possible inputs provided but the game allows it TASK_PRIORITIZATION 7 8

struct: Was the game crashing reported Sebastien?

eulerscheZahl: right, the crash...

eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642295674

struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/bd0d6f70-6b4e-4a14-a789-be54e11885d1

struct: damn its not even possible to get the seed to reproduce

eulerscheZahl: referee crashed before serializing those info

struct: but you can get this info though

struct: ;)

eulerscheZahl: ?

eulerscheZahl: how?

PatrickMcGinnisII: Nice Spliterator

struct: maybe not the seed

struct: but the error you can

JohnyDaison: Is the bug with Task Prio and CI fixed already or not?

eulerscheZahl: i copied the replay link from Sheeesh---

eulerscheZahl: do you mean find the bug from stacktrace?

struct: yes

struct: its given in replay

struct: But yeah seed seems impossible to get now

Default avatar.png Sraiti: here we go again

struct: maybe Sheeesh--- can reproduce it and share another replay with the seed to make it easier for you

[SG]Sebastien: JohnyDaison : it was fixed yesterday evening

PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm so confused. How can i calculate the technical debt received from a release? Where's the shoddy count for a Hand card?

emh: phew I survived the Paroni attack :)

emh: I'm just sitting here like a guard dog watching my position

Default avatar.png Paroni: :P I think I made my bot worse by fixing it :D

Sheeesh---: i actually changed a lot from my code

emh: hehe. classic

Sheeesh---: can't reproduce it anymore

[SG]Sebastien: for your hand, your shoddy skill available = 1*BonusCount + 2*SkillCount. But you do not use all of them (you only use enough to replace the missing skills

struct: But you submitted to the arena right?

struct: it should be in history Sheeesh---

[SG]Sebastien: eulerscheZahl: indeed, a TASK_PRIORITIZATION 7 8 was not planned

Sheeesh---: there are 3 code that are 4 hours ago dunno which one

struct: ah ok

struct: Will it be fixed Sebastien?

eulerscheZahl: it was planned, check the source code. you even handle that case specifically

eulerscheZahl: there was also another thing that confused me in the code. let's see if i find it again

eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/societe-generale/GreenCircle/blob/62fb2c43108c1dd7d7fd2da8041f43567be36774/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Game.java#L435

[SG]Sebastien: well, in that case, let's say this a feature and not a bug ;)

eulerscheZahl: why do we possibly take a new card after giving one?

ToshiTuringMachine: PatrickMcGinnisII I also don't understand how to calculate technical debt

eulerscheZahl: surprise reward for disturbing

eulerscheZahl: note: i didn't see it happen in a replay, just stumbled over it in the code

[SG]Sebastien: you move, if needed you throw, if needed you give, and only after all that, you take the card from the desk in which you arrive

PatrickMcGinnisII: tx seb, i think...still confused...I guess I take the release requirements and multiply by 2, and subtract 1 for every bonus card I have that can be used?

eulerscheZahl: aah

eulerscheZahl: somehow i thought that would be an extra function. not the clearest naming ;)

eulerscheZahl: giveCardAndDrawOne()

[SG]Sebastien: oh sorry. I did try to have good names, but I did not always succeed

Zylo: emh: I move you to the first place ;-)

emh: yes hehe thank you

ToshiTuringMachine: was the infinite loop solved?

[SG]Sebastien: yes

[SG]Sebastien: no more infinite loop

eulerscheZahl: hm, then my code might handle things in the wrong sequence. i allow to give a card i just took :(

[SG]Sebastien: this is not good

jacek: :neutral_face:

MSmits: eulerscheZahl I have a Move->Throw->Give->Gain order of functions

MSmits: Gain is like an artificial phase for me

[SG]Sebastien: this is better

eulerscheZahl: i think i'll move the pickup part before the play

eulerscheZahl: refactoring incoming

eulerscheZahl: i mean: 7

MSmits: :)

kovi: yep, i have a similar internal flow

therealbeef: you can even throw a card to the location you're moving to and pick it up again

MSmits: nice

MSmits: reverse boomerang

PatrickMcGinnisII: omg, so now we are playing Freecell

tobk: Example output shows "TASK_PRIORITIZATION 8 2" and "GIVE 8", but those would actually be illegal, since 8 = Bonus Card, right?

MSmits: no

MSmits: you can give and gain bonus cards with task prio

MSmits: even though the gaining of bonus cards does not show up in the allowed moves list

MSmits: so 8 7 is possible and 7 8 also

tobk: Okay... thought the bold "skill" in all the description is to emphasize that distinction, but good to know then.

eulerscheZahl: i think i saw some players move to the admin office to avoid the technical debt penalty. is this a thing or did i get confused watching?

MSmits: hey, if you have 2 plays left and your first play is given as "WAIT", do you still get the second?

MSmits: confused i think

eulerscheZahl: oh, ok

MSmits: i dont know how you'd even move there

MSmits: it has no index

eulerscheZahl: then i can delete some of my code again

MSmits: you are as slow as I am this contest

struct: cant be slower than me

struct: I probably will have something ready by the time gold opens

MSmits: well you produced more lines of code in the same amount of time struct

eulerscheZahl: somehow i struggle to motivate myself

MSmits: ahh i have no struggle this time, last time i dropped out without trying though

MSmits: I'm just slow because its a lot of work

struct: yeah

struct: Its a lot of work to get a sim

MSmits: ye

eulerscheZahl: in the end i always have the goal to reach legend. keeping up with traditions

jacek: darn who would have thought String.format() is so expensive

MSmits: that's my goal too

MSmits: well my realistic goal

eulerscheZahl: at least i just finished a 161 frames match without crashing. that is producing valid actions and picking one at random

MSmits: grats

eulerscheZahl: now onto comparing outcomes with actual gamestate

eulerscheZahl: will surely uncover some bugs

jacek: valid_actions = ["RANDOM"]?

eulerscheZahl: everything but "RANDOM"

struct: So I have the same thing that euler has

struct: the move gen

eulerscheZahl: in theory i can also predict the outcome of my moves

[SG]Sebastien: eulerscheZahl: you move to the admin office for the THROW phase. It is only a small break in the move pahse

struct: Well I can do that but its bugged

eulerscheZahl: ah, bonus frame in the replay

PatrickMcGinnisII: ok, we don't know what cards opponent has in his hand, but we can speculate

PatrickMcGinnisII: someone code_review my lawn mower

jacek: reject

PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm seeing that bonus cards are finite

struct: yes 36

ToshiTuringMachine: if i have x cards in draw pile, and must draw y cards, how many possible combinations are there? Is that the superset?

ToshiTuringMachine: i should have studied more at univ

ToshiTuringMachine: instead of playing prince of persia

PatrickMcGinnisII: where does the bonus skill card come from if a desk is empty? how many are there?

struct: It comes from the middle pile

struct: it has 36 cards - the number of bonus players have

MSmits: have, meaning in hand/draw/discard

MSmits: they cant be in playable afaik

MSmits: played

MSmits: oh... i need to track plays too. This is another complication

MSmits: especially if you chain training/coding cards

struct: its not too bad I think

struct: Maybe it is

MSmits: no single thing is bad, it's the combination :)

PatrickMcGinnisII: ahh ok, working out the maths...I thought there were only 5 extra bonus cards. So at game start I'm seeing 4 bonus in each players possession, 28 bonus in middle, and then 5 skill cards at each desk

struct: I havent reached that part yet

struct: yes patrick each desk as 5 skill cards

struct: when it runs out of skills it starts giving bonus instead

MSmits: which is not necessarily worse

struct: The only downside is that they dont have skills

PatrickMcGinnisII: it was the bonus cards that were killing me, since they reduce the need to collect technical debt. I assummed the race at beginning of game would be to collect the 'rare' bonus cards. I'm seeing a bunch of random games going 200 turns...where bonus cards are all gone

MSmits: a lot of games that last 200 turns are just played by bad bots

MSmits: try look at the top 50 games

PatrickMcGinnisII: i know my observations are newb. sry. So far I'm not seeing anything super difficult, just trying to wrap my head around it. The first day, I had to walk away. heh.

MSmits: yeah no worries, we are all newb

struct: So let's say I have in hand [2, 1, 0...]

struct: so only 3 cards

struct: and I go through admin

struct: If I choose to throw card [1]

struct: do I still need to throw another?

struct: or the referee does it alone?

therealbeef: i think the referee takes over if you have only 1 possible to throw or all throwable cards are of the same type

MSmits: yeah so if you have only 2, there is no throwphase turn for you

MSmits: if you have 3, you need to do both phases

MSmits: because after throwing 1, there are 2 left

MSmits: so there's a choice

MSmits: (both times)

struct: but what if those 2 are the same type?

struct: after throwing the 1st one

MSmits: i did not check, but i doubt the referee is smart enough to deal with it

MSmits: it should not matter for your bot anyways

struct: I guess its not very importantt

struct: yeah

MSmits: in that case, if you have 5 cards of the same type, it should skip also

struct: yeah

MSmits: or if you have 4 TD cards, and 2 other

MSmits: i actually think it does skip that

Default avatar.png RIT: when you release an application, do the cards you used to release it go back into your discard pile?

Default avatar.png RIT: and same question for when you use skills?

MSmits: When you release an application, your permanent skills are discarded.

struct: and the cards in hand are also discarded

MSmits: when you use a skill it is also discarded, but it goes in the played cards pile first, to prevent you using the same card two times in a turn

MSmits: (infinite training loop)

Default avatar.png RIT: By "discarded" are they deleted from the game or do they go to my discard pile to be reshuffled into my draw pile eventually?

struct: after release phase all cards in hand are discarded

MSmits: nothing is ever deleted

struct: doesnt matter if you used them or not

Default avatar.png RIT: oh ok

StevenV: even if you don't release, cards still get discarded

MSmits: which is the main reason those if bots are so strong currently. Not playing cards is a major waste. They are discarded anyway. But simmed bots that play cards are still being worked on

StevenV: which bots are so strong?

StevenV: you mean the boss 1, 2?

struct: to answer my question

struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642361842

struct: Frame 70

struct: I discard 4 and I have 2 cards of same type

struct: the referee doesnt handle it

MSmits: the top bots in bronze StevenV

StevenV: ok

MSmits: right struct, so you need to do work there

struct: this is not very green

StevenV: 2 cards of same type?

StevenV: what is the problem?

struct: There is no problem

struct: It could just auto discard one

struct: since I dont really have an option

struct: its a forced move

StevenV: you mean frame 72 where you give a card and throw 1 card?

MSmits: no he throws 2 cards, but there is only one way to do that

MSmits: because 2 of the 3 available are identical

MSmits: so the referee could have just done it for him

StevenV: 2 / 3, so he could throw 2 type of cards

StevenV: or 1 type of cards

MSmits: no

MSmits: actually yeah

StevenV: I mean he could throw 1 card type A and 1 type B

StevenV: yup

StevenV: so the referee is correct

MSmits: no

struct: but after I threw the first

MSmits: the 2nd was 2 bonus cards

struct: the reamining one s are of the same time

struct: type*

struct: ...

StevenV: no

struct: my typing

struct: yes it is

StevenV: after the first

StevenV: there are only 1 throw

StevenV: the other are GIVE

struct: no

struct: Input actions: 2 THROW 4 THROW 8

struct: Input actions: 1 THROW 8

struct: Input actions: 2 WAIT ARCHITECTURE_STUDY

struct: There is not even give

struct: because it gives the only card I have

MSmits: so there were 2 throw turns

struct: yes

MSmits: and one of the throw turns there was 1 option

StevenV: how can 2 throw turn?

MSmits: btw StevenV we are not saying the referee is wrong, it's just less efficient

struct: Yeah

StevenV: no

MSmits: you need to throw 2 cards

MSmits: at admin desk

StevenV: What I see is 2 throw and 1 give

MSmits: that's correct, in the viewer that happened

StevenV: I see from frame 70 to 72

MSmits: but that doesnt mean the bot got a turn

MSmits: he didnt get a give turn, because there was 1 card

MSmits: but he did get 2 throw turns

MSmits: but the second throw turn there was no choice to be made

MSmits: so he should not have gotten it

MSmits: just like the give turn

StevenV: 2 throw turn = 4 cards?

MSmits: no, 1 card each

MSmits: throw is actually 2 separate phases

StevenV: I know

MSmits: so 2 cards

struct: When you can throw you always get 2 throws

StevenV: what I see is you got near opponent right?

struct: yes

StevenV: so there is 1 give

struct: The give is automated by the referee

MSmits: but he also passed admin first

struct: since I only have 1 bonus card in hand

struct: Its a bit confusing

StevenV: you mean the 2nd thrown isn't automated right?

MSmits: it isn't, but it could have been

MSmits: if they coded it that way

MSmits: since there is no choice to be made

StevenV: all I see in the replay is "random" :(

MSmits: yeah that is structs output unfortunately

StevenV: Maybe I see it wrong with automated

MSmits: lazy struct

Washier: hehe

ToshiTuringMachine: if discard pile is empty you don't receive it from inputs?

struct: no idea, probably not

struct: same for played cards

StevenV: and automated cards too

ToshiTuringMachine: oh yes seems so. gotta update to all zeroes when not received a deck

MSmits: memset (0)

jacek: memeset

MSmits: thanks btw, i just did that

struct: = 0

Default avatar.png Harsh_Chourasiya: Hey

Default avatar.png DeadlyTokyo: hi

Lisa-Has-Ideas: Hey all -- I have a pending classic puzzle that is really good, (fun and educational) but just not getting any love. it has a few upvotes but no comments or Approvals. If anyone is bored, please check it out. Any feedback (good or bad) is appreciated, but of course "Approval " is the goal :)

Lisa-Has-Ideas: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/182986ce43712d2b4e105ac72cacc96208e53

StevenV: many are busy with the challenge, I guess :wink:

MSmits: Lisa-Has-Ideas these next 9 days people are very busy playing the contest. You might have better luck after that.

MSmits: I am non-stop coding personally

jacek: everyone busy with backgammon

Lisa-Has-Ideas: (Thanks)

struct: I dont understand why my draw pile is empty if I have cards in the discard pile

therealbeef: i think it only refreshes the draw pile when it needs to draw

struct: so if I use training and have cards in the discard pile and no cards in the draw pile it will refresh?

MSmits: yeah

struct: ty

MSmits: just not from your played cards pile

struct: yeah

struct: ty again

struct: I can only imagine how hard could it be to write a statement for this game

MSmits: me too

jacek: easier than for backgammon?

struct: I think backgammon is on par with sim difficulty

jacek: many edge cases?

struct: yes

struct: If you can play all the dices you must play all, if you can only play 1 dice you must play the highest one, its not too bad

struct: My referee doesnt know this though

struct: Since I wrote the referee without reading the rules...

jacek: artistic freedom

Donotalo: are desk-0 and desk-7 adjacent?

aangairbender: yes

struct: yes

Donotalo: can i move from desk-N to desk-N in next move phase?

kovi: contest is not in cgstats yet?

aangairbender: Donotalo you can't

MSmits: Donotalo you cant stay at your desk

Donotalo: hmm, thanks

struct: Magus decided to go green and save the servers

eulerscheZahl: hey jacek, ille told me you are NNing the contest. really?

eulerscheZahl: kovi you can add it by tampering with the URL

jacek: :zipper_mouth:

eulerscheZahl: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/green-circle/eulerscheZahl

kovi: cool, thx eulerscheZahl

struct: jacek already hiding his bot

eulerscheZahl: where was he before?

MSmits: 30-40th

MSmits: last time i saw

eulerscheZahl: oh, not bad

MSmits: so he made a reasonable heuristic bot

eulerscheZahl: didn't really check the leaderboard yet

struct: You misspelled NN

jacek: and how would you NN this game

eulerscheZahl: got my sim somewhat working and submitted a bot with the most basic eval

MSmits: how well is it working?

struct: jacek dont ask me, I cant even NN hexapawn

eulerscheZahl: that's what confuses me. not the usual board game but a hell of a mess

eulerscheZahl: 73rd right now, MSmits

eulerscheZahl: you can have my scoring:

eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3687f59c-9554-4463-a240-a781125ac068

MSmits: nice

struct: just read recurse pm after the contest, maybe he will show you

MSmits: you score this at the end of your turn i assume

kovi: copied my eval :)

eulerscheZahl: yes, after RELEASE phase

struct: random search?

MSmits: yeah i am doing the same thing, but currently only for winchecking the final app

eulerscheZahl: brute force, everything

MSmits: me too

eulerscheZahl: only 1 turn so it's doable

eulerscheZahl: "turn"

kovi: yes, for 1 turn it works

MSmits: it's probably not doable for chaintraining/coding with a large draw pile

kovi: the problem is how it can get strategy

eulerscheZahl: you need long-term thinking, which will be a pain

kovi: (evolving eval)

kovi: yes

MSmits: isn't it always

eulerscheZahl: still not sure how to tackle this game

MSmits: well you solved part of it

MSmits: i think your way is correct

jacek: ez. the same way you'd tackle magic the gathering [solved]

eulerscheZahl: it's just boilerplate code, nothing solved yet

struct: Im not sure my bot can calculate all the states

MSmits: it should be able to if you only play 1 train or code card

eulerscheZahl: maybe i time out in some edge cases, no idea

eulerscheZahl: i can possibly do more trainings

MSmits: it depends heavily on the size of your deck

struct: if you have daily routine and architecture it can be problematic I think

MSmits: daily routine doesn't explode that much, it's mostly training cards that do

eulerscheZahl: we will see

MSmits: daily routine adds maybe a factor of 3 or so, maybe 5

eulerscheZahl: but not today anymore, i achieved my goal of the day

MSmits: you achieved my goal of the day too

MSmits: but i sleep later, so...

eulerscheZahl: was 380-ish before. now i'm ready for silver

MSmits: seems like it

struct: I hope I have something ready before silver

struct: lol

jacek: silver 20 jun

eulerscheZahl: monday

jacek: you can delete 3 accounts before that

struct: I see you are optimistic jacek

struct: only 3?

jacek: how many alts do you have

struct: lost count

eulerscheZahl: nulte

eulerscheZahl: tobou

eulerscheZahl: struct II struct III

struct: lol

jacek: Automaton2000 how many are there

Automaton2000: but its still the same

Astrobytes: class, enum, namespace

struct: stop pinging me Astrobytes

struct: :p

Astrobytes: :rofl:

struct: So on Task Prio I first take the card and then place mine on the board?

struct: Its what I understand from the referee

struct: but the statement says the reverse

struct: :confused:

MSmits: how so?

KinaKhongs: Hey, did you have any hint as to how I can improve my code in green_circle, i'm trying to figure if some MTCS can do the job, but i can't even implement it haha

MSmits: if you havent ever done a succesful mcts, really dont try it here

MSmits: it's sooooo much harder

MSmits: try it on a simple boardgame first

jacek: and simple mcts wot probably work here

struct: MSmits like do you place the removed card first on the board?

KinaKhongs: Ok x), i will just do some basic simulation every turn then

struct: or do you take the card first from the board

struct: and the place yours on the board

MSmits: why does that matter?

struct: Because if the room was empty

struct: and you place the card

struct: you can take it again

struct: but if it was empty and you take first than thats not what happens

MSmits: i dont even consider desks that are empty, if i want a bonus card i'll just take it from the pile

struct: yeah Ill probably will ignore them after too

emh: I felt between sleeping and coding, so decided to make myself a dark and stormy. but too bad I accidentally bought _lite_ ginger beer. hate unnatural sweeteners

therealbeef: struct: throws are processed before pickups

struct: Thanks therealbeef

therealbeef: so you can 'throw' a card to yourself

therealbeef: though i don't really see the need

Astrobytes: emh: dark & stormy is THE drink :D I agree on the sweeteners :/

struct: https://github.com/societe-generale/GreenCircle/blob/62fb2c43108c1dd7d7fd2da8041f43567be36774/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Game.java#L275

struct: I think not therealbeef

struct: The thrown is only added after cardTaken

therealbeef: oh i thought you meant throwing and pickup from new location

struct: ah like on move

therealbeef: i think you're right about the prio

therealbeef: yes

Zandy156: has the challenge changed like bug fixes since Thursday?

struct: yes

struct: Played cards do not go to the discard pile anymore

struct: they go into a player cards pile

struct: and only after release those cards will go back into discard pile

struct: release or end of turn

Zandy156: that doesn't affect wood 2 league though I guess?

struct: I think it does

struct: not sure

Zandy156: there's only move and release phases in bottom league from what I could tell

struct: oh so shouldnt affet

struct: affect*

Zandy156: before I was having an issue with my output for release phase being registered before my move phase

Zandy156: but either whatever I changed fixed it, or something with the challenge was causing the issue

tobk: Why isn't the event put back into "last activities" after testing or even submitting? it's just pushed away be recent puzzles and you have to do three clicks to get back to it. :weary:

Astrobytes: yeah it's annoying tobk, I saved the link as a bookmark instead

eulerscheZahl: CTRL+D

eulerscheZahl: same idea

Astrobytes: but I was faster eh :D

**eulerscheZahl slaps Astrobytes around a bit with a large fishbot

eulerscheZahl: stupid me wrote STRG first and had to delete

struct: I didnt even notice it was so many clicks

struct: maybe i need to close the ide more often

Astrobytes: lol euler

eulerscheZahl: do you even turn off your computer over night?

struct: yes

Astrobytes: I do unless I'm downloading or installing something or maintenance etc

eulerscheZahl: in a timeframe what i would call night?

Astrobytes: struct gets his sleep, he just gets it very late

struct: I have a lots of problem falling asleep

emh: I never turn off computers

struct: even worse when I go to bed right after coding

jacek: ill turn off computer once i quit vim

emh: well.. sometimes I close the lid of my laptop, I don't know what its response is

Crosility: I turn off my computer, I just never close tabs I use constantly.

struct: When I was coding my breakthrough bot I couldn't fall asleep

jacek: :no_mouth:

emh: I'm watching quiteLola on twitch. done with coding for the day

eulerscheZahl: we need a sleepthrough multi

emh: same same struct I often have problems sleeping after coding

PatrickMcGinnisII: Screensaver is an awesome nightlight

Astrobytes: I have an ext HD that blinks all night and illuminates the room unless I remember to cover it or can turn off

emh: I have a ghost pacman which can serve as a nightlight

emh: it was a present

emh: it also has disco mode

Astrobytes: though in the summer when I go to bed it's usually getting light, only about an hour or 2 of actual dark

MSmits: 2 ??

PatrickMcGinnisII: I have coindrop sound setup when I get online purchases ... better than rain sounds to help with sleep. I'm hald deaf, so yes I can hear the darn CG notifications from anywhere in the house...smh

struct: it happens if you go to bed at 4 am

MSmits: how far north art you

MSmits: are you, not art thou, was not trying to be classical

Astrobytes: :D

emh: usually I have a fan blowing wind on me while I am sleeping. especially if I am overheated by alcohol

Astrobytes: Central scotland isn't that far north but it's still only an hour or 2, worse in Sweden

MSmits: you're supposed to drink it, not burn it

Astrobytes: :rofl:

emh: burn the calories

emh: I'm 140 kg

PatrickMcGinnisII: em=electronic music

emh: should update my profile picture to a chubby cute one instead of menacing haha

eulerscheZahl: E=m c²

MSmits: ahh, should get one of those bicycle thingies i have behind me. Turn on netflix, half an hour of cycling and back to coding

MSmits: efficient

emh: ohh I know that equation, it means you burn square the energy when coding much c

Astrobytes: lol

MSmits: correct

PatrickMcGinnisII: ℏ

jacek: e^pi - pi

PatrickMcGinnisII: I know what that means... "Keep your hands above the equator"

PatrickMcGinnisII: :raised_hands:

therealbeef: 140? woah, your avatar looks like agent 47, emh

emh: hehe. thanks

therealbeef: drinking and coding just go so well together

emh: there's the xkcd graph showing the relation

Astrobytes: Ballmer peak

therealbeef: this morning i woke up and looked at my bot code and didnt remember writing it, but it was good code

Astrobytes: I'm like that even if I wrote it sober :D

emh: therealbeef did you get a deja vu at least?

MSmits: I am always sober and always think my code is crap

MSmits: maybe i should drink

emh: should I change my profile pic to this https://emh.lart.no/publish/phatman.jpg ?

Astrobytes: lol MSmits

jacek: “If an important decision is to be made, they [the Persians] discuss the question when they are drunk, and the following day the master of the house where the discussion was held submits their decision for reconsideration when they are sober. If they still approve it, it is adopted; if not, it is abandoned."

Astrobytes: If you want emh, we're not judging, well I'm not anyway

emh: nahh I prefer my younger self. it puts terror into the hearts of my opponents

Scarfield: xD

Scarfield: there is always the cat avatar option

Scarfield: all the cool kids has one

Astrobytes: I look like a metal hippie

emh: I don't have a cat though. it would be hypocritical

emh: Astrobytes really? do you get all the girls?

Astrobytes: not made of metal, metal as in the music

Scarfield: xD

emh: I had a metal rock star looking guy visiting me and random girls walked up to him and kissed him in the bar

emh: then he wanted to borrow my bed when he took the girl home. alas I couldn't agree with his proposition

Scarfield: from now on i will picture you as a terminater

Astrobytes: only hippie chicks from Europe tbh

Astrobytes: lol emh, that seldom happens to me

emh: seldom is better than never

MSmits: “ Code with me if you want to live.”

emh: hehehe

PatrickMcGinnisII: I need to learn korean or mandarin, these subtitles r killing me

Astrobytes: well, these days it never happens tbh

Scarfield: xD smits

Astrobytes: :rofl:

emh: I'm 37. I'm in my prime

MSmits: indeed

MSmits: that is a prime number

emh: you got it

Astrobytes: hah

emh: the best ages are power of two though

Scarfield: im 32 :muscle:

PatrickMcGinnisII: My dad turned 74 yesterday and gets more cat than i do. :cry:

emh: nice. enjoy

Astrobytes: 1 year til my next prime

MSmits: more cat?

Astrobytes: fking 40 this year

PatrickMcGinnisII: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Astrobytes: read between the lines MSmits

emh: hope I will reach the age of an 128-bit SSE instruction. not really. I'm content with x64

MSmits: what do you do with your pets over there PatrickMcGinnisII, do i want to know

emh: we recycle polyethylenes here

Astrobytes: I figure the less time I have to spend being old on this godforsaken planet the better. 64-76 suits me fine

therealbeef: 2 more months until the answer to live the universe and everything

therealbeef: life

Astrobytes: we *make* polyethylene in my town emh

emh: but I'm really rooting for AGI. want to live to see it

emh: Astrobytes ohh you make my Turkish pepper bottles then haha

PatrickMcGinnisII: How r coders gonna fix the next great depression? And who is gonna deliver our pizzas?

Astrobytes: Ineos. They make most of the shit that fks up the planet :D

antiwonto: [auto] Astrobytes be respectful and watch your language https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct

Astrobytes: oh, sorry for my filthy language

PatrickMcGinnisII: ahh :taco: time

StevenV: csb

MSmits: lol

antiwonto: [auto] 'CSB' was defined as ' Coders Strikes Back (aka Mad Pod Racing) '

StevenV: coc

therealbeef: what does Ineos actually do? only know them from cycling team

emh: PatrickMcGinnisII fixing depression is all about using multiply and add in the same instruction and stay away from subtraction

emh: pizzas will be delivered by drones

struct: are they not delivered in drones where you live?

PatrickMcGinnisII: 3000 cows died of heatstroke in Kansas ... it's beginning

MSmits: summer?

PatrickMcGinnisII: they closed yellowstone due to excessive rain, and cows die in midwest for lack of shade... the world is upside-down

MSmits: I like stranger things

jacek: or it is australia

PatrickMcGinnisII: I'll move to AU, then things will b normal...ok

Astrobytes: therealbeef: chemical manufacturing/processing and PetroIneos does what you might expect, oil refinery. We are lucky enough to have both in my town :|

MSmits: if you move one astronomical unit you'll be in the sun, that's even hotter PatrickMcGinnisII

Astrobytes: lol

MSmits: this astrophysically correct joke was brought to you by...

emh: struct not yet

PatrickMcGinnisII: Now we live in Monty Python movie

emh: a giant foot stomps you

Astrobytes: which one?

Astrobytes: DINSDALE!

Astrobytes: (random Python utterance)

PatrickMcGinnisII: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxRnenQYG7I&t=360s

PatrickMcGinnisII: The Meaning of Life

emh: to eat

emh: and drink

emh: and code

emh: in reverse order

Astrobytes: Yes, that's fair PatrickMcGinnisII

MSmits: I am confused about a replay. On frame 113 I do training. I obviously have more cards to play, yet I release on the next. Why am i not forced to WAIT or play another card.

MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642439054

Scarfield: https://youtu.be/A3GZx3tfO6w?t=106

Astrobytes: gets me every time Scarfield :D

PatrickMcGinnisII: MSmits comment about this message brought to you by... reminded me of Monty P for some reason

Astrobytes: "Incontinentia Buttocks" :D

emh: classic

Scarfield: and now for something completely different

Astrobytes: I even get the theme in my head when you say that

MSmits: my replay :)

Scarfield: yea that movie is great :)

Astrobytes: I have no idea MSmits

kovi: MSmits issue already reported

MSmits: oh, what is the issue?

MSmits: it just doesn't give extra plays?

Astrobytes: ^

Astrobytes: ^ meaning "yes, what is the issue"

kovi: there was no official answer of this :weidness"

MSmits: does it always happen? Or sometimes happen?

Astrobytes: must be still looking into it I guess

kovi: for me it seemed too often, but i was lazy to investigate further

MSmits: ok well it is good to know that it got reported

The_Duck: in this replay https://www.codingame.com/replay/642441539 I seem to only draw 3 cards on turn 45, instead of 4. Or rather based on my logging, I think I draw 4, but the BONUS card I draw is invisible? is this a viewer bug?

struct: I saw this bug before with my bot too The_Duck let me see if I can reproduce it

Astrobytes: ah it's The_Duck :)

The_Duck: hi!

Astrobytes: If your logging says that after that you got the card then it must be a visualisation thing

struct: Hand: [0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 1]

struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642447371

struct: turn 41 also invisible bonus

emh: New York The_Duck. do you know anyone from Theta Chi fraternity in Boston?

struct: you can reproduce by just printing random

struct: if you want to check

Astrobytes: interesting. I don't pay much attention to the viewer this time around tbh

emh: ohhh lo and behold I'm top dog again thanks for boosting me up hehe I did almost no coding all day

emh: last submit about 8 hours ago

MSmits: grats emh

emh: the trick is to know when you're just gonna eff up your code by doing more

emh: thank you MSmits

MSmits: eulerscheZahl if you are still around. Did you limit your trainings? I time out every time i allow unlimited trainings

Astrobytes: didn't he say he only allowed one or didn't include it?

MSmits: not sure, he said he thought he could handle multiple trainings, but he didnt say his current bot has it

Astrobytes: ah, must be thinking of that

MSmits: I may have a bug though

MSmits: brb

Astrobytes: :)

eulerscheZahl: didn't limit but still have bugs

TobiasA: sorry I don't really understand the game yet. So when you guys say "trainings" does it have something to do with the training skill in the game or NN training?

eulerscheZahl: not generating all move sequences

struct: training skills

Astrobytes: in the game TobiasA

struct: Unless its jacek saying

Astrobytes: :)

TobiasA: oh ok thanks

jacek: training?

MSmits: ahh ok thanks for explaining, i think i have bug, otherwise i dont understand how 3 training cards end up inmy played pile when i only have 1 and 1 in draw

struct: Time to code undoAction

jacek: just copy your states. ezpz

struct: my states are big :/

jacek: thats what she said :smirk:

Astrobytes: Never change jacek, never change

emh: United States of Murica. lol. no

emh: I'm watching a baby shower getting drunk with hot girls on twitch. trash TV?

struct: But you are right ill never code undo move for this game

struct: if coding apply move is hard I cant imagine how hard it will be to undo

Astrobytes: emh: why not just skip to the pr0n?

emh: Astrobytes that's reserved for CSB

Astrobytes: :grin:

jacek: hm?

emh: jacek is it time we invite you to the palace of pleasure?

jacek: eeyup

Murat_Eroglu: Am I the only one who thinks that this contest is more complicated than previous ones?

Astrobytes: No :)

Astrobytes: Not necessarily more *complicated*, more of a confusing, or less understandable :)

Scarfield: and more buggy it seems from chat, i still havent really gotten motivated to try

Astrobytes: some bugs, but that's usual

struct: I think its fun

struct: I havent anything working yet but thats a different story

Astrobytes: I like the game itself

jacek: do you plan to buy it

Astrobytes: No

jacek: :upside_down:

antiwonto: [auto] ':upside_down:' was defined as ' ɥǝllo '

jacek: oh my, dat csb

Default avatar.png Arthur_Morgan_RDR2: :apple:

Astrobytes: jacek: :rofl:

Astrobytes: It's certainly 'different' :D

Default avatar.png Arthur_Morgan_RDR2: Anyone played Red dead redemption 2 here?

Default avatar.png Arthur_Morgan_RDR2: Just completed the game yesterday

Default avatar.png Arthur_Morgan_RDR2: Definitely the best game i've ever played

eulerscheZahl: when i use a card for a skill, can't i use it again for release in the same turn?

struct: Heard about it never played it

struct: Dont think so euler

struct: they go into played cards pile

Astrobytes: ^

Astrobytes: at least that's what I understood

struct: But if you get a card from using a skill then you can use it

Astrobytes: yep

struct: At least the canBeReleased function is not checking played cards

struct: So I think what we said is correct

Astrobytes: It's confusing isn't it, but that's what I understood earlier

struct: and my asserts would have triggered by now

Astrobytes: lol, got a bunch of those too :D

Astrobytes: to hell with unit tests, long live assert

eulerscheZahl: fixing bugs improves the rank. at least that early in the contest, before desperation kicks in

Astrobytes: desperation == any sim will do

jacek: what bugs? yours or theirs?

Astrobytes: at this stage possibly a heady mix of both :D

eulerscheZahl: me failing to replicate theirs? :P

Astrobytes: hehehe

emh: jacek was invited into the inner circle, but he's quiet about it

jacek: im training NN for it

emh: ahh right

eulerscheZahl: what inner circle?

jacek: oO

eulerscheZahl: the transparent area inside the green one?

jacek: tell him

FuriousTurtle: For some reason, I have enough cards in my hand to release, I do the output command to release, but the game disqualify me for not having enough card . The cost is 4 daily + 4 refactoring, my hand is 4 bonus cards + 1 task priorization card + 2 coding cards

The rules of this challenge are super confusing

jacek: is it 5th app?

FuriousTurtle: Yes

eulerscheZahl: no shoddy on 5th

struct: cant use shoddy

eulerscheZahl: that would be shady

MSmits: and sloppy

FuriousTurtle: I'm in wood 1, this rule doesn't apply yet right ?

MSmits: it does

eulerscheZahl: it does

jacek: per statement

jacek: but i dont blame you for not believing it

Giyom: no shoddy only apply since bronze not wood

FuriousTurtle: I'm sorry I really don't see it in the rules for some reasons ?

jacek: "The 5th application of each team cannot be released with shoddy skills!". at least in bronze

eulerscheZahl: just trust us in this case

Giyom: yes in bronze but he is on wood league

FuriousTurtle: Also is there a cap on the maximum technical debt you can have ? I see a red gauge but nothing about it in the rules

struct: 100

jacek: its use in tie break

FuriousTurtle: Then this wasn't the issue either, I'm still unable to find out why my application made me disqualified, and it happens a couple of times

struct: are you sure you didnt use shoddy points?

Astrobytes: eulerscheZahl: regarding the earlier emh comment, jacek has now 'experienced' the True CSB

FuriousTurtle: I did use shoddy points but I'm in wood 1 and there's nothing about not using them on the final application

struct: There is

struct: Just maybe not on the statement

struct: But i think it is

FuriousTurtle: Omg nevermind it's in a non-highlighted part

FuriousTurtle: Starting from bronze it's highlighted in technical details through

emh: Astrobytes damn right

eulerscheZahl: did i miss a meme?

eulerscheZahl: aaah, NSFW CSB

MSmits: or it's new name, Mad P**** Racing

MSmits: its

emh: I love it how you're a respectable physics teacher MSmits and you're engaging with my lowlife jokes haha

eulerscheZahl: *Riding

MSmits: yes, well I have to be careful in case students are online :)

Default avatar.png TheInvisibleMutant_7f19: if dist_1 == enemy_1:

       print(enemy_1) 
   else: 
       print(enemy_2)

Default avatar.png TheInvisibleMutant_7f19: Help

antiwonto: [auto] 'help' was defined as ' https://how-to-properly-ask-a-question.surge.sh '

jacek: onboarding?

Astrobytes: lol @ eulerscheZahl's "riding" correction :D

struct: if dist_1 < dist_2

Default avatar.png TheInvisibleMutant_7f19: thx

jacek: how come youre 3 level if not done onboarding oO

emh: I love boasting to every non-programmer that I'm 139th out of 3 million programmers on codingame. call me vain

emh: of course I don't say how much time I put into it

jacek: Automaton2000 is that right?

Automaton2000: i think the problem is that if you are a mod

emh: Automaton2000 who let the dogs out?

Automaton2000: hi i am new to this site

emh: Automaton2000 you're a liar

Automaton2000: this is where i am

emh: Automaton2000 aren't you ashamed of yourself?

Automaton2000: i already know how to create a private clash

jacek: oh my

emh: Automaton2000 all right have fun with your private clash

Automaton2000: i have a bit of a stretch

emh: Automaton2000 do you need a massage?

Automaton2000: so if i am wrong

Westicles: Whatever happened to wonton? He was modding the hell out of the place for a while

jacek: :taco: Westicles

antiwonto: [auto] jacek has awarded Westicles 7 tacos. Westicles now has 98 taco. jacek now has 8 taco

emh: :taco: jacek

antiwonto: [auto] emh has awarded jacek 3 tacos. jacek now has 11 taco. emh now has 4 taco

struct: he was here just 2 days ago

struct: Maybe he is still reading the statement

Westicles: :taco: BlaiseEbuth

antiwonto: [auto] Spread the love. Give tacos to someone else, not someone you spam with tacos.

Westicles: :taco: jacek

antiwonto: [auto] Westicles has awarded jacek 10 tacos. jacek now has 21 taco. Westicles now has 99 taco

emh: and here I thought it's a give and take. what am I gonna eat for dinner?

eulerscheZahl: you are not French, i'm save

emh: huh?

jacek: omelette du fromage!

emh: now gift it

jacek: :egg:

emh: you gotta break one.. to make an omelette

Astrobytes: :taco: eulerscheZahl

antiwonto: [auto] Astrobytes has awarded eulerscheZahl 10 tacos. eulerscheZahl now has 59 taco. Astrobytes now has 46 taco

Astrobytes: I know you love the tacos

emh: commander taco, wasn't that the editor of slashdot

emh: any relation?

eulerscheZahl: :taco: Astrobytes

antiwonto: [auto] eulerscheZahl has awarded Astrobytes 10 tacos. Astrobytes now has 56 taco. eulerscheZahl now has 50 taco

eulerscheZahl: since when do i lose while giving? meh

jacek: i shook you down in #taco

Astrobytes: I never understand taco bot

eulerscheZahl: bots boring after a while anyways

eulerscheZahl: gets boring

eulerscheZahl: can't type

Westicles: jacek shook you down

Astrobytes: emh: I think you're right, no relation I believe

Astrobytes: Must admit to never ever checking the taco channel

Astrobytes: All this taco stuff is indirectly my fault anyway, so blame me

eulerscheZahl: the comic of blaise is so on point

Astrobytes: it was an instant classic

eulerscheZahl: https://i.imgur.com/GCRAT3B.png

Astrobytes: LOL I never noticed the Westicles part :rofl:

Westicles: user of the month!

emh: hahaha

emh: I want to compliment a girl. I'd say her polygons are so delicately textured

Crosility: Man, I misunderstood the puzzle, and now I have to recreate all my dependency functions :(

Astrobytes: emh: her normals and displacement maps are perfect

struct: Just wait until you find you dont understand the game yet

Crosility: Haha, struct, that's already happened multiple times.

Crosility: Like the current contest. Card Games .. big nope for me.

emh: Astrobytes even better. you've outdone me

Westicles: kafkaesque contest

eulerscheZahl: a colleague once tried to teach me Skat

antiwonto: [auto] hey eulerscheZahl looking for some intro tutorials on programming? This isn't the place probably. Try codecademy.com , 'The Coding Train' on youtube, or first levels in codewars.com

Astrobytes: emh: that's how I get the hippie chicks! (not)

eulerscheZahl: thanks antiwonto, will do

emh: Astrobytes stick to the whiskey

Astrobytes: emh: *whisky

Crosility: Lmao eulerscheZahl

eulerscheZahl: that was when we arrived at the hotel (business trip) and i was already past bed-time

emh: Astrobytes ahh that's right that's how you write it over there

eulerscheZahl: he didn't get it, even after i blatantly told him that i'm about to fall asleep

Astrobytes: Whiskey is either Irish or American

Crosility: antiwonto -1

Astrobytes: lol euler

Remi.: Is it a taco ? (on the picture)

emh: eulerscheZahl what happened on your bed-time?

eulerscheZahl: right, it's about time

eulerscheZahl: not my room is too warm

eulerscheZahl: but my

emh: I'm confused

MSmits: I think this is cool. Maybe I fixed my bug

MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642477662

Astrobytes: #metoo

MSmits: on frame 58 it thinks it has a 8% chance to win, then trains, then gets lucky and estimates at 28%, then gets lucky again and wins

Astrobytes: euler, use a fan

Astrobytes: or get a harem and they can fan you

struct: nice MSmits

MSmits: it's just not final move still

eulerscheZahl: i have a fan. but not really colder outside

MSmits: just on

emh: what about the guy that wanted euler at bed time?

eulerscheZahl: just replacing hot air with other hot air and annoying the cat with the sound of it

Astrobytes: he didn't 'want' him emh, just wanted him to play cards!

eulerscheZahl: no, i wanted to go to sleep as it was quite late

emh: ahh ok

emh: thought it was gay drama

Astrobytes: :rofl:

eulerscheZahl: for you everything is a porn, isn't it?

struct: I dont want to see his STC version

emh: I was speaking to my psychologist about that actually asked them if they have antiporn medicine

Astrobytes: eulerscheZahl: no top covering bedsheets night then

eulerscheZahl: Alan Turing got some medicine, totally broke him

emh: oh noes

emh: I saw that movie

MSmits: eulerscheZahl on c++ debug mode (no pragma) it does max 3 cards played in the play phase, I crash on 4

Astrobytes: Yeah, that was some hardcore fail on society and humanity at large.

emh: true

MSmits: if i limit myself to 3, it is safe

Westicles: he was buggering teens

eulerscheZahl: no idea if i trigger cases with more cards

eulerscheZahl: you need to have a training or coding card first, my bot doesn't want to collect them yet

MSmits: maybe you just dont pick up many training cards, i have seen situations where there's 4 in my draw pile

emh: oh wow i8fbnkyw I bow to you

jacek: and I axe

Astrobytes: Westicles: I believe they were of legal hetero 'age of consent'. Homosexuality was a crime in itself.

Westicles: yeah, but not cool for an old guy to groom students

emh: Rust even

Astrobytes: Fair

Astrobytes: emh: that the Japanese guy from atcoder and such?

Astrobytes: IT is

Astrobytes: nice

emh: I don't know

Astrobytes: hm, what are the best cards to give away?

eulerscheZahl: https://clist.by/accounts/?search=i8fbnkyw

eulerscheZahl: i admit i don't know him

emh: Astrobytes the one that is needed by the least amount of applications

MSmits: give them coding cards Astrobytes

Astrobytes: I saw his name before a few times

Astrobytes: yeah, was just looking for a quick fix since I'm just idly coding things in the starter bot since I opened a beer earlier :D

Astrobytes: not touching my real bot til tomorrow

eulerscheZahl: japanese, you can bet there's a twitter account https://twitter.com/i8fbnkyw

MSmits: enjoy the beer

MSmits: emh, you're on twitter!!!

MSmits: famous!!

emh: lol

Astrobytes: lol, tweeting about top bronze, that's gotta be a first

Westicles: his tweets are compressed python

Astrobytes: heh

MSmits: mmh people tweet what they had for dinner or if they had a difficult poo. I don't think it is so bad to tweet about this

Astrobytes: "I'm doing it with Rust, which has a relatively small number of users, and I want to aim for the number one achievement in the language."

MSmits: someone ping dbdr

MSmits: oh i just did

eulerscheZahl: i tried, he didn't see it

Westicles: I don't think that achievement applies to events

Astrobytes: lol, my first thought too

emh: I'm hosting a young Asian girl tonight, she arrived this morning, but she's not very social, I mean a bit introvert

Astrobytes: Westicles: I think it's more a personal thing for some users

eulerscheZahl: we still have this discord server for out hashcode team. but he's rarely online to see when i like other stuff there

eulerscheZahl: that couch surfing again emh?

emh: yes

Astrobytes: not around as much as he used to be tbh

emh: I've hosted more than 1300 people

Astrobytes: emh: not all at the same time I hope

emh: max 13 at the same time

Astrobytes: emh: also, DON'T show her the CSB

eulerscheZahl: and you keep the pinky toe of all of them as a memory

emh: Astrobytes yes I know

Astrobytes: :rofl:

eulerscheZahl: dexter-like

emh: eulerscheZahl haha you get me

emh: I love Dexter

Astrobytes: well, in that case, show her the CSB :D

jacek: and his laboratory?

emh: hehe

emh: I have a blood extraction lab in the basement for the vampires

Astrobytes: jacek: I liked that cartoon more than the murdering DExter show tbh :)

Astrobytes: It got a bit stale after a while

struct: There was also a new Dexter but not sure which show had the worst ending

emh: how was the new Dexter? I didn't see it

struct: not bad

Astrobytes: American Psycho was good enough

jacek: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/10/96/7c109642593bcdc4daa8e14bfbd02f75.jpg

struct: It's worth a watch

struct: I just think that the ending was rushed

Astrobytes: lol jacek

eulerscheZahl: no idea about the new one. but the ending was really disappointing for the original Dexter

emh: I liked the scene about the cards they had in American Psycho

Astrobytes: Always the way with most things these days struct

eulerscheZahl: and the seasons felt long, i was happy whenever he got rid of his partners

Astrobytes: yeah, that's what I mean when it was getting stale. Repetitive and just waiting

eulerscheZahl: but not as bad as some netflix shows with the dozen sideplots that have nothing to do with the main story

emh: that cop who was onto him was adrenaline building

emh: I guess that was in the first few seasons

eulerscheZahl: money heist is actually pretty cool. but i skip 50% of it

Astrobytes: Anyway, I've still to catch up with Picard S2 and BCS

emh: I've never watched Star Trek properly

jacek: try the orville then

emh: or anything of the sort

eulerscheZahl: cold enough in my room now, good night

emh: eulerscheZahl good night

struct: yeap I cant watch start wars or star trek

struct: gn

Astrobytes: gn euler

emh: Illedan!

Astrobytes: Start with TNG for series, film-wise, watch them all even if the early ones are cheesy

Westicles: it is all SJW now

emh: I stick to earth movies

Astrobytes: I gave up on Star Wars when they did those horrible films with that creature in them

emh: chewbacca? no the other one

Westicles: they say obi-wan is relatively good

Astrobytes: Jar Jar

MSmits: “Mesa called Jar Jar Binks, mesa your humble servant!”

emh: like a java pacakge

Astrobytes: or whatever it was

Astrobytes: yeah, should have remained compressed

emh: hehe

emh: zip it jar jar

Astrobytes: Westicles: my nephew reckons it is, but he loves all of it

Astrobytes: lol emh

Westicles: emh took some pictures of the girls he hosted, but they aren't developed yet

Astrobytes: OUCH

jacek: oO

Westicles: old Steve Martin joke

Astrobytes: yeah it's a classic biter

emh: I have a pretty good digital camera

emh: it develops pretty fast

Astrobytes: ^feigns ignorance :D

emh: one girl wanted to sleep in my bed.. because it was more comfortable. and she watched 3D movies of a NSFW quality on my TV. then she let me take a picture of my tongue near her milk factory. then she undressed in my living room. but I didn't take the hint

Westicles: you should meet Patrick

Astrobytes: He has a sex swing

Westicles: heh heh

emh: but we held hands finally

emh: does he?

Astrobytes: Not asking for any more details there

Astrobytes: Yes! Patrick is a kinky mofo

jacek: mayonaisse guy?

Astrobytes: I don't know his kinks lol

emh: I'm gonna pretend you were writing about La Marseillase

emh: I don't like mayonaisse

emh: except when it's food

jacek: i meant this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71GWS3ccmvI

emh: hmm I didn't get the joke

Astrobytes: I like it

emh: actually I have sriracha mayo in my fridge

jacek: you clicked my youtube link?

Astrobytes: My spongebob memory is vague

Astrobytes: It looked sufficiently different jacek and I have had some beer

emh: jacek I clicked

emh: I've only had 4 beers and 2 beers and 2 rum

Astrobytes: Otherwise I wouldn't

Astrobytes: moar rum emh

emh: it's hard to gulp down

emh: I'm not a professional drinker I'm a slow riser

Astrobytes: no it isn't. Well, not if you're Scottish I guess.

Astrobytes: Beer is easy to drink though, yes.

emh: I sip shots I don't shot em

emh: my specialty shot is vodka with balsamico vinegar

Astrobytes: I shoot shots but I sip cocktails and > shot_amount spirits

Astrobytes: Never tried that. Sounds odd. Might need a dash of Worcestershire Sauce

Astrobytes: and a touch of Tabasco

Astrobytes: Possibly horseradish

Astrobytes: Celery salt

Astrobytes: but no tomato juice

jacek: try nut vodka with milk

Astrobytes: (we used to call that a Naked Mary)

emh: jacek I have tried it. orzech lazkowy?

jacek: eeyup!

Astrobytes: jacek: the hazelnut stuff?

jacek: eeyup

Astrobytes: yeah that's lovely

Westicles: give me 6 shots of johnny walker poured over a grapefruit

Astrobytes: I can't have grapefruit

Westicles: statins?

emh: grapefruit is a multiplier for everything

Astrobytes: 1. It's fking disgusting 2. Interferes with most medications

Astrobytes: (having worked in pharma related sht, it literally interacts with almost everything)

emh: I love grapefruit. sometimes

emh: I don't eat it very often, but I buy the juice occasionally

emh: it's a bit sour for the stomach though

emh: I take magnesium pills for sour stomach

Astrobytes: Foul fruit. I'm on omeprazole cause I have to take a COX2-inhibitor

Astrobytes: (NSAID)

emh: ohh hmm

Astrobytes: non-steroidal anti-inflammatory that is, if anyone is wondering

emh: I used to be on aripiprazole, now I'm on cariprazine

emh: against schizo

emh: I actually hosted one of the lead researchers or administrative guys or something in Hungary related to cariprazine and he was the one who recommended it to me

emh: it's one of the newest medicines

Astrobytes: Interesting. I have a friend who might benefit from that info

Astrobytes: Aripiprazole has been the goto for a long while (don't mention quetiapine etc)

emh: I used quetiapine as sleep medicine in addition

emh: *use

emh: but not regularly

Astrobytes: Yeah, that's alright. As main med high dose it's horrific stuff.

emh: it does have some unpleasant side effects, but only when used without alcohol. haha

Astrobytes: hahaha, also interesting

Westicles: lol. mind altering drugs and booze, and you are afraid of grapefruit

emh: anyway it's better than not sleeping for 3 nights

Astrobytes: No *I'm* afraid of grapefruit, not emh

Westicles: you guys need to go on a 72 hour fast to cleanse all that out

Astrobytes: Yes emh, that makes sense

Westicles: get some stem cells going

emh: I tried fasting on tomato juice, but I didn't survive for long

Astrobytes: I only do that kind of thing when I take hallucino- I mean vital 24 hour health breaks!

emh: my friend was really about fasting, he lost a lof okg

Astrobytes: it's not a healthy way to lose weight tbh

Astrobytes: *some* fasting in combo with other sht yeah

Westicles: it is more about autophagy and BDNF

emh: when wiping your own backend is a problem... and you still don't feel like losing weight. I ordered an apparatus from China for wiping, but it didn't appeal to me

TINOUAINANI: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642497579

TINOUAINANI: in case of this ho win ?

emh: it's a tie

Astrobytes: Westicles: that's very specific to ones body chemistry

TINOUAINANI: ok thanks

Astrobytes: emh: what was her name?

Astrobytes: (kidding!!!)

Westicles: ha

emh: Astrobytes who?

Astrobytes: emh the apparatus from China!

Default avatar.png putibuzu: what am I reading :D

emh: ehh.. she?

emh: I don't get it. it's a wiping device

emh: doesn't have a female denominator

Astrobytes: lol, read between the lines here

Default avatar.png RIT: how does the daily routine buff work? do you get to choose which desk you take a card from?

Default avatar.png putibuzu: it basically increases your range to take cards

Default avatar.png RIT: so you'd pick up 3 instead of 1?

Astrobytes: emh: imagine it was a couch surfing candidate

emh: Astrobytes you make it sound so dirty

emh: it's a wholesome sport

Default avatar.png putibuzu: no, if you play one of those you can pick up cards 1 desk away

Astrobytes: :D

Default avatar.png putibuzu: instead of only the card from the space you are in

Default avatar.png RIT: but how do you tell the game which card you want?

Default avatar.png putibuzu: you can output MOVE 0 1

Default avatar.png RIT: ah ok thanks

Default avatar.png putibuzu: np

emh: finally my reign is at an end. I've been knocked down from my high horse. 4th

emh: 5th

Astrobytes: Focus on making a MLPony CSB for jacek

Astrobytes: he'll love it

emh: ponies are doing machine learning?

emh: ohhh

emh: my little pony

Astrobytes: He likes ponies, but incorporate as much MultiLayerPerceptron as possible I guess

Astrobytes: You'll have to ask him for the names and stuff, not my scene

emh: hmm sounds kinky

emh: jacek do you really like ponies?

Astrobytes: he does, no joke, and no shaming

jacek: what else MLP is for

jacek: and dont image google kinkie pie

jacek: it all started with recurse disapproving my saying like "nopony" or "somepony"

jacek: his disapproval glance is all i needed to keep going

Astrobytes: :rofl:

Astrobytes: Love it.

Astrobytes: Not my thing but do what ya do and do it well is what I say.

Astrobytes: "his disapproval glance" - reShade? :D

Astrobytes: jacek, emh, think we killed the chat

emh: Astrobytes let's keep it alive then

Astrobytes: :D

MSmits: we are all still just googling pony related stuff. Give us some time lads

Astrobytes: hahaha

emh: Sharon approves

MSmits: I did something ballsy that didnt pan out yet

Astrobytes: Sharon is the guest? Or another demon emh?

MSmits: i took my endgame solver and just templated it into my normal move sim, now it crashes and i dont know why :P

emh: Astrobytes the guest

Astrobytes: :D

emh: although she doesn't know what my little pony is

Astrobytes: MSmits: interesting, perhaps it is because it is considering the endgame

MSmits: she probably thought it was your nickname for your, you know what

emh: MSmits hahhahaha I doubt it

Astrobytes: :rofl:

Astrobytes: almost choked on my beer

MSmits: he told her: "We are talking about my little pony on chat"

MSmits: "some guy is obsessed with it"

Astrobytes: Quit projecting MSmits

MSmits: :P

Astrobytes: :rofl:

Astrobytes: lol, chat hasn't been this lewd in a long time

MSmits: yeah

Astrobytes: guess we need to make the most of it since it will soon be gone

MSmits: or we will, if wontonimo logs in and sees it

MSmits: i'll blame emh

MSmits: he's the worst

Astrobytes: I have a sneaking suspicion he would see the funny side

Astrobytes: lol poor emh, he is but a humble purveyor of CSB alternatives

MSmits: true

emh: omg I'm the scapegoat

emh: wontonimo willl ban me

Astrobytes: and tbh, most of the chat is risqué references/suggestive things with a couple of double entendres

Astrobytes: I rescued you emh

emh: ok wow thank you

Astrobytes: MSmits: so what about your solver? I mean, plugging an endgame solver into your main game logic from the start isn't ideal is it

MSmits: well i was going to do it like this

MSmits: i can use all the same items

MSmits: so i send a boolean with the template

MSmits: if true it does the eval at the end

MSmits: if false it returns 1 or 0 for win

MSmits: and if some playable cards are not needed to check for the win i can also use ifs for that

MSmits: templated ifs are done at compile time so thats cool

Astrobytes: alright, did you test this with non-templated methods

MSmits: i already have 900 lines

MSmits: i dont want to have 1600 lines

struct: lol

Astrobytes: for functionality purposes. Because templated functions will not give you good feedback if they fail

MSmits: yeah thats the annoying part

MSmits: i forgot about that

Astrobytes: ffs dude, I've had 5 Stellas and even I can see that issue :D

MSmits: whats a Stella?

Astrobytes: Stella Artois

emh: beer

Astrobytes: Beer

jacek: keep the chat PG-13

Astrobytes: it is!

MSmits: yup so far it is

MSmits: not much lower than that though

Astrobytes: Stella as in women, never had one. Did A Christella (sp?) once, Greek.

MSmits: I'm sorry you never had a woman Astrobytes

Astrobytes: Still PG-13

Astrobytes: You read that wrong MSmits

MSmits: oh

MSmits: It's ok you dont like women Astrobytes, dont worry about it

Astrobytes: Now you're just playing dumb :P

MSmits: I know :)

MSmits: well my templatey stuff works, kinda

avdg: The future of programming thrown away... common :p

avdg: *come on

Astrobytes: I'd advise testing the possible cases separately before templating MSmits

MSmits: yeah, but it works, it just fails because my bot doesnt know what to do when there's 4 apps done

Astrobytes: oh hey avdg, playing the contest?

avdg: yeah but not with lots of time

avdg: and with rust

avdg: (I still have to master the language)

avdg: but I can write code that can compile

Astrobytes: MSmits hm, logic issue then

MSmits: yeah

Astrobytes: avdg: this is NOT the contest to practice on believe me

avdg: well I don't have lots of time anyway

Astrobytes: you normally use JS/TS right avdg?

avdg: yep

Astrobytes: Use that. It's complicated enough as it is without trying to learn another lang on top of this mess :D

Astrobytes: (the game I mean)

avdg: meh, I don't have lots to gain by winning the game

MSmits: you get a phone!!

Astrobytes: even playing it will be a struggle, believe me

Astrobytes: this is a "stick to what you know" and analyze the code like a forensic scientist game. Don't read the statement. Output first move given or something until Bronze.

kouin: is there no GIVE_CARD phase in wood 1 league?

struct: Not sure kouin

MSmits: not sure, there isnt in wood 2

struct: But if you want full statement

struct: https://i.imgur.com/vhrIwYo.jpeg

Astrobytes: I was only there momentarily, not sure. I think it was just MOVE and RELEASE first 2 leagues no?

MSmits: oh also, the phases only happen if you have a choice to make kouin. If you only have 1 card to give, there is no phase

kouin: ok thanks MSmits, that was why

MSmits: np

kouin: that was it*

MSmits: ohh sim bot is working i think. I forgot to multiply my TD penalty by the TD score constant. That made technical debt 300 x less important

emh: did I mention I'm a wannabe game developer? I've got 3 games on steam, but the only one can vouch for is "Dance of Cubes"

MSmits: you have 1 review, but it is very extensive

emh: it's very strange

MSmits: yeah

emh: bot-like

Astrobytes: And your full name is quite magnificent

emh: thank you haha

struct: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

MSmits: you're the second most impressive magnus i know

emh: only the second?

emh: who is the first?

MSmits: yes, if you become chess world champion too, you go up a rank

emh: actually there's a Magnus Carlsen living in my building. probably not the same one though

MSmits: yeah thats doubtful

emh: could be he's got an extra apartment for visits to Bergen never know

MSmits: true

Astrobytes: Magnus is a pretty common name MSmits

MSmits: yeah but i only kno 2

avdg: it thinks me at ice cream tbh

Astrobytes: Carlsen is also a very common surname

emh: magnus means great

Astrobytes: avdg that's a Magnum

avdg: even so :p

Astrobytes: hehehe

Astrobytes: (good taste btw, they are amazing)

Westicles: .44 magnum?

avdg: few weeks ago I learned that many ice creams are tested on crack strength, I guess it's done on magnum ice creams as well

Astrobytes: crack strength? :D

avdg: yeah

avdg: with a meter that measure force

avdg: (measuring what is needed to crack the outer cream)

Astrobytes: I am dying hard in too many ways to reply properly

Westicles: tastes better with meth

Astrobytes: doesn't that just apply to the exterior coating though avdg?

Astrobytes: e.g. the chocolate or whatever is on it

avdg: not sure, the guy told that in taste, nothing is by accident

emh: Westicles that's almost a permutation of my name

avdg: probably the cream inside has strength tests as well

Westicles: meh

emh: hehe

Astrobytes: Yes, stability measurements.

emh: people love to permute me

Astrobytes: Additives.

Astrobytes: lol emh

Astrobytes: avdg: as a chef, your ice cream is good if it sets, and starts to melt if it's out of the freezer. That's why you get it to the customer quickly. Ice cream confections you buy from a company are not quite the same.

Astrobytes: Very different requirements. The strength test makes sense though.

avdg: The experience is obviously different when the outer layer is kinda melted :P

Westicles: I used to have to make it with one of those buckets with a crank

Astrobytes: if the ice cream is inside a shell in a restaurant, you have a very specific kind of coating on it, similar to manufactured but not the same

Default avatar.png Sraiti: hey guys the batman game execute two actions in one turn is that normal ?

Astrobytes: Westicles just a whisk and some elbowgrease is enough

Westicles: rock salt and ice everywhere

Astrobytes: Sraiti: I guess you are printing 2 actions

Default avatar.png Sraiti: i thought that the game skip to the next turn once it gets one action

Astrobytes: Westicles :rofl:

Astrobytes: yes Sraiti but just print one per iteration of the main while loop

Astrobytes: or it will read that extra one too

Default avatar.png Sraiti: thanks i will try to see if i'm printing two actions in one iteration

Astrobytes: if you need to debug, print to stderr, otherwise actions go to stdout

Default avatar.png Sraiti: yah console.error in typescript

Illedan: Hi

Astrobytes: yep

Astrobytes: hey Ille

struct: hi

emh: good night

struct: gn

Illedan: gn

MSmits: gn

tablet: yo

struct: hi

Astrobytes: gn!

Astrobytes: oh I'm late

Astrobytes: Illedan how's the hayfever

struct: is that an allergy fever?

Astrobytes: yeah, pollen

Astrobytes: *pollen allergy

Astrobytes: not really an actual fever, it's rhinitis

struct: I see

Astrobytes: eyes, nose, mouth/throat, if you get pollen in there it's a living nightmare depending how bad your allergy is. I don't suffer myself but several members of my family do

Astrobytes: brb

Astrobytes: back

struct: wb

Astrobytes: man this game is just odd

MSmits: yes

aCat: ^^'

struct: at least my bot is doing better than print action 0

Astrobytes: same struct :D

Astrobytes: aCat: locam is simpler!

Astrobytes: at least it makes some sense lol

struct: im not sure yet what data structures to use yet

struct: im using vectors, arrays...

aCat: Astrobytes :kissing_cat:

Astrobytes: I have a bunch of vectors currently in my sim bot, easily replaced by my non-stl vector but plain arrays are nice

struct: I store discard, draw and played all in vector

aCat: no bits :>?

struct: I think its too slow

struct: Not yet

Astrobytes: I just like the ease of sorting and all the other std algorithm functions on vecs

Astrobytes: struct, I keep them all in one vector, but they have an attribute called Location

struct: Maybe Ill use uint32_t for the 8 skills

struct: it should fit

struct: But I think I coded enough for the day

Astrobytes: I need next week to be a thing so I can concentrate. I do too many other things on a weekend

struct: Now I think I really understand the rules

Astrobytes: Yes Joshua, the only winning move is not to play

struct: Do you use bits aCat?

Astrobytes: sorry, it was on tv an hour or 2 ago

aCat: no

struct: is that a reference to what?

Astrobytes: Wargames

aCat: I was thinking about it - better performance but I would do sim only partial

aCat: and bits are worse for ifology;]

struct: Well I can only do sim so there is that

aCat: I only have bitset for available applications

aCat: ok, I submitted my bunch of ifs

Astrobytes: Ofc only partial sim but it's a bruteforce depth 1, anything after that you need to start guessing...

aCat: even not hardcoded opening 4 rules for full game

struct: my submit is 100 iterations MC

Astrobytes: I just add ifs to the starter code tonight, I work on the real bot when sober

struct: hardcode opening?

struct: is this a thing?

Astrobytes: i have no idea

aCat: (this cat said nothing :P)

aCat: (secret remains secret ;])

struct: hmm

struct: Im not gonna hardcode anyways

struct: tomorrow I rewrite my sim again

struct: only third time not bad

Astrobytes: writing (part of) my sim gave me at least an understanding of the game, roughly

struct: yeah

struct: Now I know the rules and which parts I can improve the sim on

Astrobytes: now it's trying to do that efficiently

Astrobytes: yeah exactly

Astrobytes: Top 20 is still interesting language-wise, lots to be said for heuristics here at least at the moment, I think that may change in Silver

Scarfield: when probability enters the game, i think it will be the high performance languages, at least i think

Astrobytes: and we still are waiting for Karang to crack the RandomInt

Scarfield: that would be crazy in this game

struct: There is no excuse for the random to be cracked this time

Scarfield: way more powerful than the previous contest

avdg: There is no referee released?

struct: https://github.com/societe-generale/GreenCircle

Astrobytes: Scarfield: good point. And yeah, it's a lot harder with an int though

struct: I don't think it's possible to crack random here

Astrobytes: struct: did they fix the not SecureRandom thing?

struct: SDK has it

struct: and I think it works

struct: but this referee doesnt use it

Astrobytes: yeah exactly

struct: It might use the version but it still uses normal Random

Astrobytes: That's why we called on Karang

Astrobytes: Int is hard af compared to the floats though

struct: and you dont have opponent info

Astrobytes: He was at least willing to try but not sure if he gave up or not

struct: you dont know which cards he started with on his hand

Scarfield: you only know the location of your opponent, never which cards used to release, or cards in their deck right?

Astrobytes: not important if you only consider yours. Draw pile gets updated with randomly chosen cards from the discard pile remember,

Scarfield: and you cant choose which cards to use when releasing?

struct: you only know which cards he has

struct: and the automated

struct: You dont know where they are at

struct: But wouldnt you need the random from his as well to reverse it?

Astrobytes: I'm not 100% on that

Scarfield: oh you do get opponent cards

Astrobytes: yeah you get the cards but not the location, other than automated or not

Scarfield: didnt like this when it came out, realised today its actually interesting :)

Astrobytes: Interesting but very, very, VERY, did I say VERY yet? confusing :D

Scarfield: yea, thats probably why i lacked the motivation to take a decent look at it. have to look through some probability notes from school :)

Astrobytes: Understand the game first, that's harder

Scarfield: im still in wood 2 xD

Astrobytes: print first action

Scarfield: tried it, didnt get me anywhere

struct: I was like rank 200 in bonze with that

Astrobytes: wait a sec

struct: But I was like one of the firsts to submit, so I was a pushed

Scarfield: just submitted a first action again, but i doubt it will go anywhere sadly

Astrobytes: Scarfield: I think I sorted available moves by substring, not RANDOM, I may have done it with MOVE somehow, it was very simple

Astrobytes: as in substring(0, 6) != "RANDOM"

Scarfield: im just gonna make some simple, if i lack one skill card in hand for an app, go there -> release

Astrobytes: Pretty sure it was MOVE or something that got me out of the woods

Astrobytes: Wood 2 anyway, resubmitted in wood 1 with first action and it was fine, straight to bronze. The "RANDOM" in Wood2 is horrific, or was at least

Scarfield: 339/374 with first action, about the same with random for me :'(

Astrobytes: gimme a minute or two

struct: cant help you much Scarfield

struct: My first AI submit was Monte carlo

Scarfield: but i think this is gonna turn into a planning game of blocking your opponent from the cards needed to release the 5th app

struct: and I had to code a sim for it :/

Scarfield: np just gonna make some simple ifs, not tonight though

MSmits: blocking opponent like that is not easy Scarfield, you dont know much of what he has, you cant completely block him and there's lots of playable cards to get around it

Scarfield: yea im still in wood, so just guessing, but there definately is depth to this game i think

MSmits: yeah

Astrobytes: Yes, a lot

struct: tomorrow Ill try your thing MSmits

struct: the % to end game

Astrobytes: Or at least more than it seemed at the start

struct: Do you just brute force all possible combos?

Astrobytes: seems like the way to go

Astrobytes: you can prune silly stuff I think, can you confirm MSmits?

MSmits: i guess so

Astrobytes: mind you, in this game it's hard to judge what is silly at what time sometimes

MSmits: i dont prune

MSmits: struct i do bruteforce but i limit playable cards to 3 in a turn

MSmits: so you cant play 4 cards in my sim currently

struct: thats how you calculate the % like that?

struct: sry for the english

Scarfield: you know opponents debt, what they released since last turn, and which cards they have, that should be enough to get a rough idea of their cards no?

struct: im too tired lol

MSmits: I calculate probability when you draw cards

Astrobytes: your english is perfect struct, shut up :)

MSmits: and i pick the highest probability score when there's a choice to be made

MSmits: drawing cards only happens on training and coding so it's not that hard

MSmits: 2 or 1 card

struct: I see

struct: Thanks, tomorrow I should try it

Astrobytes: In combo with all the info given yes Scarfield, track it carefully tho

MSmits: it's simple high school probability calculus btw, nothing weird

Scarfield: im not going into that untill i get bronce, just realised that the info should be there

struct: Yeah isnt it just based on the cards remaining on draw pile?

MSmits: draw, but with some exceptions for when its empty or nearly empty

MSmits: you need to reshuffle the discard

MSmits: into draw

struct: I see

Astrobytes: but you can bruteforce that too

MSmits: the shuffling is easy

Scarfield: how does that work btw, it seemed there was a bug if you had <4 cards in draw pile?

MSmits: just memcpy the discard into the draw and do the same thing you were going to do if you didnt have to shuffle

Astrobytes: yes MSmits, exactly

Astrobytes: I wrote this earlier

Astrobytes: in my sim

MSmits: ohh ok

struct: what data structure do you use for discard and draw pile MSmits? Anything fancy?

Scarfield: no i mean in the game, do your discard pile get shuffled into the draw pile as soon as there are less than 4 cards in the draw pile?

Astrobytes: I started at a random place in my sim but it makes sense to me. I have all teh methods laid out

struct: no when it reaches 0 Scarfield

Astrobytes: Scarfield, only at 0

Scarfield: so you can draw less than 4 cards, and thats intended or a bug you know=

MSmits: no, i use a crappy int[10] for now

Astrobytes: drawCount == 0 && discard == 0 return false or something, for drawing

Astrobytes: thereafter it pushes discard pile cards to draw

Scarfield: aah ok

Scarfield: 3 cards in draw pile, they for certain are drawn, then one from discard pile (since they all get shuffled into draw) ?

MSmits: I was wondering why my bot would not finish app 5, then i noticed architecture is not an available card to play in my sim

MSmits: architecture is super important for the last app

Astrobytes: Yeah Scarfield, it'll shuffle them all in

Scarfield: okay ty, i wonder why they specify in the rules you have to move one way, when you can still move where ever you want xD

Astrobytes: oh wait, it does that on empty

Astrobytes: hang on a sec

MSmits: you are penalized when going from 7 to 0 Scarfield

MSmits: moving through admin desk

MSmits: (in bronze)

Scarfield: oh, is the statement more clear in bronze?

Astrobytes: ah no, I am right, I neglected to see the looping through the number of cards to draw.

MSmits: Scarfield no

MSmits: there's just more statement

Scarfield: xD

Astrobytes: And yeah, no

Astrobytes: Worse, tbh

Astrobytes: Trust the code and chat

Scarfield: https://youtu.be/2CukM4Eoi7Q?t=25

Astrobytes: lol, that's a thing in North London too :D

Astrobytes: Yeah yeah no, Yeahyeahyeahyeahyeah no

Scarfield: lol

Astrobytes: Scarfield: and the opposite, no no no no yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yXYAK757Oc

Scarfield: xD

Scarfield: that was delightfully dumb

Scarfield: never seen that show before

Scarfield: no no.... no deal

Astrobytes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXgSg2Oq36w

Astrobytes: Scarfield

Astrobytes: Great show at times :D

Astrobytes: Explaining the "hy the long face joke" to Alice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePgGPGYhrmA

Astrobytes: Sadly, that actress died a few years back

Astrobytes: It takes talent to act that stupid!

Scarfield: haha yea :)

Astrobytes: *Why not hy

Astrobytes: Last one, best of Alice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CBZSvdx11c

Scarfield: my ifs seem to work :)

Scarfield: "call me alice"

Astrobytes: did you work with my recommendations?

MSmits: yay 9 out of 10 first games won

Scarfield: tried a few combinations, but decided to finish my approach instead, it was almost there

struct: nice

MSmits: think i finally got the bugs out, well most of them

MSmits: hope this gets top 100

Scarfield: there is always one more bug :p

struct: it should

MSmits: yeah seems like it

MSmits: i definitely went overbudget with my coding time today :)

struct: are you running any book while coding?

MSmits: yeah i am still trying to solve oware

struct: :D

MSmits: after contest i will write some code to clean my meta mcts from all but the necessary proving nodes. That way i wont hit the limit of 2 billion nodes and can keep solving

Astrobytes: Are you and jacek still gonna team up for the Oware thing?

MSmits: I don't think so, but I'll help him if he needs help

Astrobytes: Cause when I saw that I just quit lol

MSmits: Oh btw, if you want to see what i look like, Professor x also put my picture up

MSmits: i figured that world champion he beat also had a picture

Scarfield: just got the wood 1 rules, damn architecture seems op

MSmits: it's needed

Astrobytes: If you want to know what I look like just ask lol

MSmits: but not for app 1-4

Scarfield: yea seems that would be a waste

MSmits: first thing i am going to do tomorrow is make this mess readable.

MSmits: I am talking about my code btw, not the statement

Astrobytes: link for your pic MSmits?

MSmits: sec

Astrobytes: I bet this is a troll

MSmits: https://48stones.com/research-games-challenge/

MSmits: no troll

Scarfield: i prefer to think of you with that white hair xD

Astrobytes: No troll indeed, you look much younger than you feel

struct: you look dutch

Astrobytes: lol that too

MSmits: well thanks I guess :)

Scarfield: xD

Scarfield: at least i dont think of you like a cat

Scarfield: playing the keyboard that is

MSmits: no please don't

Astrobytes: since we're on that subject: does this link work? https://yt3.ggpht.com/USdMksM7jDWstOf2sZ8w2Vo7QcfCqRNxrRYUctMAsDDTVL2QP5cfm4BEdo1ZxudRbtXpp21RdQ=s480-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj

MSmits: yep, is that you?

Astrobytes: Yup

MSmits: awesome

MSmits: like you're in a rock band

Astrobytes: on a good day a few months ago

MSmits: my uncle that worked at IBM his whole life looked like you

Scarfield: but you are not made of metal

Astrobytes: Ah Scarfield, the beard. When it grows I just look metal

Scarfield: xD

MSmits: ended up 61th on this submit. Was 180th without sim

Scarfield: you look pretty metal right there :)

Astrobytes: MSmits: the weed growing one?

MSmits: yeah

Astrobytes: hehehehe

Scarfield: lol

struct: What search are you using? Random?

Astrobytes: I think my tshirt says all I need to say about that

MSmits: brute force, same as euler

MSmits: yep

struct: I dont think I can run brute force yet

MSmits: i still have to put in daily routines card

MSmits: my bot cant use it

Scarfield: i made a new algorithm. its not a search or force, its just brute and dumb

struct: How do you choose which cards you take from the deck MSmits?

struct: Random?

Astrobytes: brutus search

MSmits: take from the deck?

MSmits: you mean drawing?

struct: draw pile yeah sry

MSmits: I don't choose

Astrobytes: you should brute that

MSmits: I draw all

Astrobytes: ^

MSmits: weighted average by probability

struct: But create a different state for each draw right?

MSmits: yes

Astrobytes: nice to know I was going in the right direction :)

struct: Makes sense, I will probably try to brute force tomorrow

struct: For now I'm going to rest

struct: Gn every1

MSmits: me too. GN guys

Astrobytes: gn struct

Astrobytes: night MSmits

Astrobytes: I'll probably f off too

Scarfield: i have a feeling there is an approach here, where you search to maximize your probability to draw what you want, not the other way around

Scarfield: yea me too :) gn folks

Astrobytes: interesting point Scarfield

Scarfield: yup :) but gn its getting way too late

DaNinja: do you need an int[10] for permanent cards?

DaNinja: totally forgot about them

Westicles: looks like only about 200 people max are actually trying on the contest? I'm 250 with a garbage submit

j4at: I'm 243th with pritning first possible action :grimacing:

Westicles: yeah, same here

Westicles: so I think anyone who has basically anything real should make silver

BrunoFelthes: in general, basic AIs can get GOLD, the real challenge is reach legend

square1001: I can't predict how the silver/gold/legend cutoffs will be, though... Only a few (or none) are reaching gold by now?

DaNinja: they select a boss from the submitted AIs to let a percentage of bots promote to the next league

DaNinja: if I remember correctly, last challenge 500 bots got into legend when it opened

DaNinja: which seemed like a lot

Default avatar.png Glyptod0n: sorry can anyone tell me what happens if the two player release the same application on the same turn

DaNinja: first player gets the app. it is removed from the inputs for the next player

Default avatar.png saiko5: coding from airplane lol!

DaNinja: really? :D

Default avatar.png saiko5: yeah

Default avatar.png saiko5: from JA339J

Default avatar.png saiko5: Osaka->Chitose(Hokkaido) Japan

DaNinja: https://www.flightradar24.com/JAL2501/2c4dbb55

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