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Tien118: eat taco

VN~Minh4893IT: hello <33

Tien118: hi minh

AryanTripathi: coc job done :moyai:

AryanTripathi: finally reached legend level

j4at: cheater lol

AryanTripathi: no

AryanTripathi: it literally took me 900+ clashes to get it

AryanTripathi: lmao

Thorcode: bruh

AryanTripathi: anyways gm guys

AryanTripathi: hii thorcode long time no c

Thorcode: gm

AryanTripathi: where have you been?

AryanTripathi: eat taco

AryanTripathi: taco eat

AryanTripathi: taco eat person

AryanTripathi: lmao

AryanTripathi: taco bot dead

j4at: AryanTripathi then share the code of this clash

j4at: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/report/2453267dff7cb2dfa64cac18b96fb2cf40033d2

StevenV: gm?

StevenV: what is gm?

jacek: happy Caturday

j4at: AryanTripathi so ?

j4at: share the code ?

j4at: 5DN1L can mods see hidden code in clashes?

j4at: My dude finished the clash mentioned above in 45 secs using the language used by the contribution maker (javascript). It's not that easy. I thought maybe he did the clash before.

j4at: But when I asked him him to share the code he refused. He made an execuse that he is in another clash. But when I asked him again he just ignored me, I pinged him multiple times + he was writing in World chat in the same time.

j4at: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/697584a9827f06e5aa94b9ca54b1d1344a06

Default avatar.png JS53: hiii good morning guys

Default avatar.png JS53: lol no one here in the chat

Default avatar.png JS53: sad

Westicles: j4at, mods can't see that kind of stuff.

Tinaud: j4at if you want more proofs, I found that same guy suspicious sooner. He submitted a 400+ chars solution in a shortest clash, in 59 seconds, without sharing. I checked the contribution, and the proposed solution is exactly the length of his.

Tinaud: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/report/2453200f14b2e9f19850bf832286e71ffc52eec

Tinaud: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/9800f182f3792b298f2c4cf3c92bf2702d4

eulerscheZahl: i'm sorry, looks like my website plays a role in this

eulerscheZahl: this is from the logs:

eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/b4932bad-f00a-4da3-8e17-c2f38f33f5ea

eulerscheZahl: searching for "counter", then for "strategy". btw you can search for more than 1 word at a time

Default avatar.png JS53: what you guys talking about?

Westicles: guy bragged about his coc prowess then was outed as a cheater

Westicles: not an American, we are highly ethical

Default avatar.png JS53: ohh

Default avatar.png JS53: is my clash of code rank is the rank which is in my profile?

Default avatar.png JS53: btw wesitcles can you play coc with me?

Westicles: no, I'm no good at that, look at my rank

Default avatar.png JS53: ohh i see

Default avatar.png JS53: yee! i got 50 xp

AryanTripathi: i am sorry for cheating guys I am really sorry, I promise I will not do that again

Default avatar.png KrishnaTripathi302: why even did you cheated?

AryanTripathi: just to get into top 1000

Default avatar.png KrishnaTripathi302: mhm

ethaneCH3CH3: how can you cheat in this game lol

eulerscheZahl: when you played enough clashes, you can see the code of the problem creator on the contribution page

eulerscheZahl: enough=300

eulerscheZahl: how can one even play 300 clashes and not reach top1000 at the same time?

eulerscheZahl: if you don't just submit a broken code on purpose, that's an achievement on its own

Uljahn: setting achievable goals is good, but the main question is "have you really become better at coding or just at gaming the system?"

khanglovesIT: how can i beat bot in wood league 1

Uljahn: you mean without reading any hints?

khanglovesIT: i cant beat it i don't know why

Uljahn: maybe the boss is too strong for you

khanglovesIT: mad pod racing

khanglovesIT: boss 3 i can't beat

khanglovesIT: there's something wrong with my code

khanglovesIT: but i don't know :((((

Uljahn: how do you know?

khanglovesIT: because my car takes a long time to turn over and change angle for a new checkpoint

Uljahn: maximum turn rate is 18 degrees per turn

khanglovesIT: while True: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/022320d2-b0a3-462e-8b61-3abeab3ab07b

khanglovesIT: while True: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/7bf6e904-25c4-438e-aa5b-653e978a4672

khanglovesIT: while True:

khanglovesIT: x, y, next_checkpoint_x, next_checkpoint_y, next_checkpoint_dist, next_checkpoint_angle = [int(i) for i in input().split()]

   opponent_x, opponent_y = [int(i) for i in input().split()]

khanglovesIT: if next_checkpoint_angle > 90 or next_checkpoint_angle < -90: thrust = 0

   else: thrust = 100

khanglovesIT: print(str(next_checkpoint_x) + " " + str(next_checkpoint_y) + " BOOST")

khanglovesIT: where is my code wrong???

Uljahn: you don't print trust

Uljahn: *thrust

Uljahn: try this: print(next_checkpoint_x, next_checkpoint_y, thrust)

Uljahn: but you'll have no boost in this case...

5DN1L: Are you able to explain what your code does?

5DN1L: oops

5DN1L: chat doesn't scroll

5DN1L: ignore me

khanglovesIT: UlJahn I can't use boost so the boss wins me

Uljahn: guess you can add another if-statement to use boost at the first turn

khanglovesIT: what can i add if

jacek: oO

Default avatar.png Fallheur: hello

jacek: happy Caturday

jacek: Automaton2000 are you still there

Automaton2000: msmits what do you guys have any advice for some guy who is just getting into coding and just struggles ...

struct: hi

Default avatar.png apopogang: l

Default avatar.png deadpanda: lkjh

Default avatar.png Fallheur: i am looking for some help/trick in python. I am trying to initialize a dictionnary without putting an input().split() in a list

Default avatar.png deadpanda: k

jacek: can you give example of input

jacek: and your desired dict

Default avatar.png Fallheur: code:

Default avatar.png Fallheur: incoming=[input().split() for i in range(n)]

Default avatar.png Fallheur: output:

Default avatar.png Fallheur: [['A', '20'], ['B', '10']]

Default avatar.png Fallheur: (i mean the value of "incoming")

Default avatar.png Fallheur: I tried : incoming={input().split().join(':') for i in range(n)}

Default avatar.png Fallheur: but it doesn't work

jacek: dict([['A', '20'], ['B', '10']]) ?

struct: Is 20 the number of times that A is present?

Default avatar.png Fallheur: it is the value of A

Mortis_666: u want the dict o look like {'A':20,'B':10} ?

Default avatar.png Fallheur: yes

Mortis_666: dict(input().split() for i in range(int(input()))) will work

Default avatar.png Fallheur: how did i forgot about the 'dict' inctruction? thank you

Default avatar.png Fallheur: (mortis and jacek)

Mortis_666: 👍

Default avatar.png Fallheur: I can't believe I bothered you with such a thing...

Default avatar.png Fallheur: thanks again, i am going back to my puzzle

jacek: which puzzle

jacek: struct hows hexapawn

Default avatar.png Fallheur: @Jacek: Equivalent Resistance, Circuit Building

Default avatar.png Fallheur: (easy puzzle)

struct: hi jacek sry

struct: was afk

struct: I havent done much yet

struct: The example I linked here 2 or 3 days ago

struct: use policy

struct: I dont think I want to use policy for cg do I?


jacek: i dont

struct: I would try policy for search race though

struct: But I will try to make hexapawn without policy first

struct: It will probably take me quite some time to do it though

Joleaf: Can i look somewhere in the validator cases of blender 1?

Joleaf: *blunder

eulerscheZahl: no, they are not accessible

eulerscheZahl: you aren't that far off with "Blender", in the past it was called Bender

struct: does derjack use policy on search race?

jacek: 2 output nodes - one for angle and one for thrust

Joleaf: :D I missed one validator case, however, the test case works :(

jacek: so it is basically policy i guess?

struct: Have you tried like 5 moves for policy and then value?

struct: I dont know the terms so Im just trying to describe the best way I can

jacek: no i didnt

HarryYo: Hey guys wassup

HarryYo: Anybody here willing to help with my homework? I can't understand the question. Meaning what I have to learn or research about

struct: is it a simple question?

Dren: I mean you are probably asking the wrong person if they can't figure it out

Dren: lol

helpmefindaname: https://dontasktoask.com/

HarryYo: Yes it only requires abstract classes to be made

HarryYo: I mean it's a data visualisation scenario but I can't seem to know where to start

Westicles: damn, that cheater guy from last night gave a 3rd rejection

struct: who is cheating?

Westicles: some guy pasting code into clashes

Westicles: a minor crime, but he rejected my beautiful contrib, unforgivable

Dren: :eyes:

Dren: which one

Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/18429f2b452ae7ee8e44b2ecf12e69e8f3960

eulerscheZahl: for us Europeans it was this morning

TimothyAlexisVass: :taco: Westicles

TimothyAlexisVass: :(

jacek: :rage:

Default avatar.png Harsh_Chourasiya: Hey

Default avatar.png tommy_52012: hi

AryanTripathi: @Westicles I rejected your contribution because it was very hard and difficult for COC

Westicles: nah

AryanTripathi: for you it's easy to say it's not hard

AryanTripathi: and also no need to say me a cheater and tell everyone about it all the time, i don't like if people do like that

AryanTripathi: I apologised for cheating and promised will not do that again

AryanTripathi: but you people don't understand that

Westicles: If you reject all the ones you personally can't solve then the talented guys won't ever have a challenge

jacek: i shall put space maze as clash

jacek: but there are no graphics in clash :(

5DN1L: fair point

AryanTripathi: I am not only the one who can't solve that, two more peoples can't solve too, and maybe more than two can't solve, people didn't reject your contribution because they can't solve it, people reject your contribution because they think others can't solve it

AryanTripathi: I also got so many of my contributions rejected but I didn't said that "That cheater guy/newbie noob guy can't solve it that's why he rejected it", I started seeing some contributions started learning how they make questions and then I again started making contribution

Westicles: You had to play 900 clashes to break into the top1000, and that was with cheating. I don't think you get to judge these things

AryanTripathi: Can't you understand I apologised for that?

5DN1L: fine, both of you have voiced your opinions

5DN1L: please stop arguing here

AryanTripathi: lmao

AryanTripathi: angry 5DN1L :joy:

5DN1L: i'm not angry

AryanTripathi: uhm kk chill

TimothyAlexisVass: 2 of the 3bots beat me this clash :laughing:

AryanTripathi: which bots?

5DN1L: the clash bots just recycle the code used by previous human players of the same clash

AryanTripathi: ohh how do you detect the bots

5DN1L: you can identify them by checking the leaderboard of clash of code

5DN1L: they have the highest frequency of participation

AryanTripathi: i've heard that a coc player "BSod" is a bot is that true?

5DN1L: yes

AryanTripathi: ohh demn

5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/leaderboards/clash/global?column=clashescount&value=DECREASING

5DN1L: all those Level 7s at the top

AryanTripathi: 175k demn

AryanTripathi: are they all bot?

eulerscheZahl: jacek 04:34ᴾᴹ i shall put space maze as clash but there are no graphics in clash

eulerscheZahl: space maze ASCII art?

jacek: :thinking:

Westicles: man, everybody is razzing me today. one of the #fr guys called me a cow

5DN1L: relax, Westicles

jacek: mooo

eulerscheZahl: they meant coward but forgot that ard

Westicles: :P

5DN1L: better if they call Westicles a leg

5DN1L: but forget the end

TimothyAlexisVass: :cow:

jacek: try omelette du fromage

TimothyAlexisVass: :cow2:

AryanTripathi: why people leave their contribution in WIP, even if it's ready?

Zorg1: to farm XP

AryanTripathi: lmao

eulerscheZahl: troll vs castle > 2 contest creations

AryanTripathi: yep true true

eulerscheZahl: but that you would get the 2500XP twice

eulerscheZahl: *not that

AryanTripathi: it literally got +553 score

Westicles: In other news I've been killing myself trying to solve these derivative puzzles symbolically, turns out you just have to do finite differences

5DN1L: yeah, same here, tackling it the difficult way

5DN1L: learned something interesting though

AryanTripathi: hey @Westicles check DMs I sent you some ideas

Default avatar.png Harsh_Chourasiya: Hey

Default avatar.png CRIS0: i don't know about you guys, but on my terminal it works perfectly, on the other hand, here, the program gives me errors. this is out of my understanding

jacek: what program

Default avatar.png CRIS0: for now, the "Horse-racing Duals" gives me troubles

jacek: what errors

jacek: works for me

Default avatar.png CRIS0: something with type error. error that i do not encounter on my pycharm...

jacek: screenshot?

Mugrim_FF: lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

5DN1L: no spam please

Default avatar.png CRIS0: https://ibb.co/NVMVLh8

AryanTripathi: lmao

AryanTripathi: reeee

5DN1L: CRIS0 your code keeps overwriting the same variable pi

Default avatar.png CRIS0: @jacek i forgot to give a variable to diff, but is the same error.

Mugrim_FF: lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

5DN1L: kicked, next is a ban

Default avatar.png CRIS0: even if i let it without the "for" loop, gives me somethign wi the index out of range

Default avatar.png CRIS0: with*

5DN1L: CRIS0 try storing the numbers in a list

5DN1L: pi is not a list

5DN1L: it is an integer

Default avatar.png CRIS0: ok, but why on pycharm is working and here no?

5DN1L: you split there

5DN1L: split a string into a list of numbers

Default avatar.png CRIS0: i split it here, too:)) gives me the error with list index

Default avatar.png CRIS0: the same code

5DN1L: but you see the statement says:

5DN1L: "N following lines"

5DN1L: each horse strength is given to you in one line

5DN1L: there's nothing to split

5DN1L: when you do your code locally, you put all the horse strengths in one line

5DN1L: that's a different input format

jacek: n = int(input()) pi = [int(input()) for i in range(n)]

Default avatar.png CRIS0: so i have to make a list and then append the numbers to that list?

5DN1L: either your way or jacek's way

jacek: .split() doesnt work with multiple lines

jacek: that it, with input()

Default avatar.png CRIS0: now i understand

Default avatar.png CRIS0: thank you.

5DN1L: drjacek will be happy

5DN1L: or is it derjack?

Default avatar.png CRIS0: good. for first to cases worked. but for third... no

Default avatar.png CRIS0: "Failure Process has timed out. This may mean that your solution is not optimized enough to handle some cases."

jacek: yeah, cg servers are slow

5DN1L: there can be quicker ways to do it :shrug:

jacek: buy more RAM?

5DN1L: Received an email from my bank just now: Protect Yourself Online. Beware of Phishing Scams

5DN1L: CRIS0 check out the front page of the puzzle

5DN1L: there's a hint to what can be done

Default avatar.png CRIS0: let me guess. in the same email the "bank" is asking your credit card details?:))

Default avatar.png CRIS0: ok. i'll take a look

5DN1L: no, it's actually really the bank I have an account with :joy:

jacek: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733556241493917766/984068869691949056/unknown.png

jacek: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733556241493917766/984138349419855932/IMG_1040.png

yhyoxx: nice

struct: I would fall for both

eulerscheZahl: fall for what?

struct: the scams jacek posted

eulerscheZahl: i don't have a credit card, i'll never know my minion name :(

Ayza: as long an anime girl wants my credit card sure :slight_smile:

Default avatar.png CRIS0: ok, that's it, i don't know how to handle a list with 100k entries. :(

5DN1L: did you find the keyword on the front page?

Westicles: Got everything to pass except ln(ln(ln(ln x))), maybe I'll figure out why later

Default avatar.png CRIS0: i read it, but i'm not sure if you saw what i saw:)) "large arrays"?

5DN1L: This puzzle shows that sometimes, the simplest solution is not performant enough. You will also learn to handle large arrays and gain experience with their processing time. External resources SortingLists

Default avatar.png CRIS0: so sorting

5DN1L: yes!

Default avatar.png CRIS0: i don't know why, but i jumped over that:))

5DN1L: now you can have another try :)

Westicles: probably python eval can't handle complex numbers?

struct: What are you trying to solve westicles?

Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/training/hard/derivative-time---part2

struct: trictrac your bot has a bug I think https://www.codingame.com/replay/640558606

Ayza: shouldn't there be a mathematics tag or is the statement just scary

coconnexion: hey

struct: hi

struct: Those are the types of puzzles I avoid

Westicles: I didn't like it at first but ended up pretty fun

Westicles: Had to do it in python, good practice I rarely use that

Ayza: lol, you're the only submitted solution

Ayza: either a new puzzle or too hard

Westicles: 5D solved it but I don't think he usually publishes

5DN1L: true

5DN1L: read an article on using Reverse Polish Notation for derivatives

5DN1L: fun on implementing that lol

eulerscheZahl: many years ago i wrote a formula parser for fun, that can also compute derivatives

eulerscheZahl: but if i try it, i probably feel lazy here and compute the value around the point

Westicles: yeah, I ended up doing it that way. didn't really know how that worked with multiple partial derivatives until I looked it up

eulerscheZahl: just saw that and wonder how to do it :D

eulerscheZahl: and the missing brackets annoy me

eulerscheZahl: sin y*z

Westicles: and it breaks on one case since you are taking logs of negative numbers and eval can't handle that

eulerscheZahl: i'll just not do it then, problem solved

eulerscheZahl: but i did a hacker.org task just today

eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/4892c8a7-6e89-4cc0-a7ce-9bbfb41c585f

eulerscheZahl: but hacker.org is wrong regarding the accepted solution. off by 1

eulerscheZahl: so i was guessing after i solved it

struct: im not even sure if the change I did on c4 was better or not

jacek: what change

struct: I dont think its significant, might be just randomness

struct: I just made it have a chance to select childs with same uct score

jacek: better spam submit to make sure

struct: instead of always picking the 1st one

jacek: how often would that be though

struct: probably only at the start

struct: I do rolout for all expanded childs so it might be more common

struct: or it can just be rng

ImSeaFu: Hmmmm what's the point of these bots that add you on here?

struct: what do you mean?

ImSeaFu: I have a few people following me that are definitely bots since they followed me when I've been inactive and would have no organic way of finding me afaik

struct: no idea

eulerscheZahl: CG bots don't follow anyone

eulerscheZahl: do it like me and ignore it https://i.imgur.com/CJdqQM1.png

Westicles: they probably got banned and followed you on the new account

Westicles: everybody keeps asking me to connect them to rockstar/robinhood/alex1 but I don't want to out him

struct: jacek grats on 1st

jacek: hm?

struct: uttt

jacek: w00t

jacek: bowwowforeach pushe me :*

eulerscheZahl: you should bow to him

eulerscheZahl: and reCurse also dropped to 2nd at STC

eulerscheZahl: thanks to Yurkov spamming

eulerscheZahl: oh wait, he spammed reCurse back

jacek: hm? reCurse is still 1st

eulerscheZahl: again, not still

YurkovAS: :smiley:

eulerscheZahl: you even spammed me down to 6th and back up to 3rd

YurkovAS: and csb lb broken

eulerscheZahl: MPR*

eulerscheZahl: why, how?

eulerscheZahl: looks fine to me on first glance

eulerscheZahl: just the 39.0 and below all the same

eulerscheZahl: but that's been for years

eulerscheZahl: did pen die to a language update?

YurkovAS: 2021-12-17 https://github.com/dbdr/codingame-leaderboards/blob/5389b13070eb1172fc347f3ca5417d94d193c149/multi/coders-strike-back.tsv


eulerscheZahl: pen already dead, we have to dig deeper

YurkovAS: he use 150ms

eulerscheZahl: pretty sure he adjusted his bot

eulerscheZahl: dapo is still on 150ms

eulerscheZahl: hard to tell with those huge gaps now, but they should both be around your rank if not crashing

struct: well some of them used minimax

struct: might be harder for the bot to be good with half the time

YurkovAS: i'm use brutal tester, but more easy is just submit

eulerscheZahl: i admire your passion to try hard on all those old contests

eulerscheZahl: to some degree i did that too. but only a dozen games out there when i found my way to CG

YurkovAS: :smiley:

jacek: yeah, who would obsess over some games on some site :unamused:

DomiKo: and some CP points

eulerscheZahl: for CSB it doesn't matter CP-wise if you are 1st or 100th

DomiKo: true

DomiKo: real python only matters!

struct: your bot is real python?

DomiKo: of course

struct: why o.o

eulerscheZahl: and fully deterministic

eulerscheZahl: NN

DomiKo: :sweat_smile:

struct: so it outputs based on state?

struct: not eval?

DomiKo: with depeth 1 search!

DomiKo: NN is just eval here

eulerscheZahl: i found him a while ago, was surprised https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/leaderboards/?game=coders-strike-back

jacek: DomiKo and magmasa again :thinking:

struct: so you try N moves and eval?

struct: why not search deeper?

DomiKo: its funny, because didn't trained it together

DomiKo: python can't search deeper

eulerscheZahl: ah, truly python then

DomiKo: I try 49 combination of moves for Runner and Blocker

DomiKo: and that's all I can get

DomiKo: it's like 30-40ms

jacek: value?

DomiKo: yes Qvalue

struct: You ignore the opponent?

struct: I mean you dont eval him at all

DomiKo: nope

DomiKo: my network uses opponent position

DomiKo: otherwise the blocker wouldn't make sense

Default avatar.png shizf: hi

jacek: good evening

AdemDj12: hey ge

jacek: :upside_down:

jacek: reCurse is online? better not ping him needlessly

struct: jacek has a re curse scanner

struct: maybe he will win next contest just to send a message

waterproofsodium: gm

waterproofsodium: what's a reCurse?

BigMike: gn

thethiny: Yo

thethiny: my IDE for the past 3 days is always red squiggly lines

thethiny: it says "Cannot import src.common"

thethiny: which is something I wrote last week

thethiny: it's bugging me in Clash

numann: make sure to have an `__init__.py`

thethiny: the problem is in the codingame IDE, not in my IDe

avontron: I've been seeing weird red squiggly lines in clash of code

thethiny: so it's not only me

avontron: missing ":" when not really missing

avontron: is the error

Mortis_666: py run print('hi')

Default avatar.png CodeRunner.: hi