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Ajaiy: gm

antiwonto: [auto] Hey Ajaiy, here is a :taco: for loggin in today while it is quiet. You now have 12 tacos

Default avatar.png JKK: I need help.

chaosabordine: wat with?

5DN1L: with this probably:

5DN1L: https://how-to-properly-ask-a-question.surge.sh/

chaosabordine: just the url lol

chaosabordine: A: Hi, here is a problem that I have: [the problem] I mean, that's way better, isn't it?

5DN1L: yeah, "help" is too broad

chaosabordine: just checking is it a comment on my earlier questions?

chaosabordine: this -> hello community i have an hist history question sry coding legend history that is. any buffs on that subject?

chaosabordine: actuallu. i thought you also zere the person that posted "I need help" then the link to the url lol

chaosabordine: were

5DN1L: that'll be hilarious or absurd :smirk:

chaosabordine: i went with absurd..

chaosabordine: but found it hilarious.

jacek: :upside_down:

antiwonto: [auto] ':upside_down:' was defined as ' ɥǝllo '

waterproofsodium: ah ha

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jacek: :rage

waterproofsodium: the bot recognizes very well that each of my mindful contributions is at least worth one taco!

waterproofsodium: :taco: jacek

antiwonto: [auto] waterproofsodium has awarded jacek 10 tacos. jacek now has 49 taco. waterproofsodium now has 38 taco

waterproofsodium: this is the oldest one

waterproofsodium: I had to get rid of it :p

jacek: hm?

tutubalin: puzzle search is not working

antiwonto: [auto] Hey tutubalin, here is a :taco: for loggin in today while it is quiet. You now have 2 tacos

5DN1L: euler's site is down right now

5DN1L: wait until start of next month

5DN1L: it'll be up again

tutubalin: thanks!

5DN1L: np

tutubalin: how can i find the puzzle from the last event?

tutubalin: i'd like to see who won

5DN1L: i guess you get an email for that?

5DN1L: not sure

tutubalin: for the 3rd phase - no

tutubalin: but yeah, i could find it via previous emails

jacek: Automaton2000 where are my tacos

antiwonto: [auto] Hey jacek, here is a :taco: for loggin in today while it is quiet. You now have 50 tacos

Automaton2000: i tried to use the same code

jacek: phew

DomiKo: easy taco

jacek: was that unicode thing any helpful?

DomiKo: yes it was

DomiKo: trick with normalizing is soo good

StevenV: Hello guys

DomiKo: hello

struct: hi

44AA44: 44AA44

jrke: anybody have idea using what library or tools we can put aur trained RL model weights on CG?

antiwonto: [auto] Hey jrke, here is a :taco: for loggin in today while it is quiet. You now have 2 tacos

Hunter64TheOne2: Hello can someone (please) help me learn c++ and python? Thank you.

Default avatar.png noobcoder42: just code and start practice

Hunter64TheOne2: yes, I thought so, but...

jacek: jrke how big is your model?

jacek: if small enough, you can manually copy & paste the weights ;d

jacek: oware battles revived eh

DomiKo: a lot of people submitting I see :D

XJDream: https://opensea.io/assets/matic/0x2953399124f0cbb46d2cbacd8a89cf0599974963/56377839503561231245842455003577131432784162627717476144511506838145973878794/

antiwonto: [auto] Hey XJDream, here is a :taco: for loggin in today while it is quiet. You now have 1 tacos

XJDream: Look at this NFT anyone like?

5DN1L: XJDream Don't paste these links in the chat

XJDream: oh sorry

Default avatar.png Youssif_Ekadi: joe mama

Default avatar.png Wizard-Dude: when will the next competition start?

5DN1L: no news yet

jrke: jacek i am just asking which libraries i can use whose weight can be put on CG

jrke: like stable baselines3?


Uljahn: what do you mean? weights are just arrays of numbers, that's the only way to put your model on CG

Uljahn: there is no special ML/DL/AI support on CG, other than general purpose libraries such as numpy

j4at: We need tensorflow :'(

j4at: or even better pytorch

DomiKo: numpy is really enough

j4at: Converting my model from pytorch to numpy is a pain in the ass.. Because the model is complicated

DomiKo: I'm doing the same and it's like 20 lines of code for me

DomiKo: you only need to take 2D/3D arrays from your array

DomiKo: notthing special

j4at: What about the operations MultiheadAttention, custom PositionalEncoding and other custom layers, i'm using. I need to convert everything to numpy. But well it's understandable why they can't add pytorch/tensorflow.

struct: I dont understand the training part well enough yet

Default avatar.png Alif005: same

jacek: im not aware of 'easy' way to convert weights from libs to your needs. one plus for doing all the stuff yourself :v

Default avatar.png EvilClownVonKirschenwald_825a: Are there any tutorials on how to utilize this site for lessons? I would like to use it for a last-week section for some AP CS Principles students. I did a basic coding challenge in Python but can't figure out how to get to the next step. Thanks.

Default avatar.png Stromtropers: hello there please dont banned me I am not gonna do something bad I promis wont do something bad

5DN1L: EvilClownVonKirschenwald_825a:

5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/blog/1-hour-to-teach-programming-with-codingame-in-fun-way/

5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/blog/one-hour-learn-bot-programming/

Default avatar.png Stromtropers: thank

Default avatar.png EvilClownVonKirschenwald_825a: Thanks.

Default avatar.png Stromtropers: i am going to the site

5DN1L: EvilClownVonKirschenwald_825a, there's one more:

5DN1L: https://code.org/files/coders_strikeback_teacherguide.pdf

MAWAAW: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/242984680be05204f468734b7eada2d7d100349

antiwonto: [auto] hey MAWAAW dont paste those links here. Use the channel #clash

Default avatar.png Stromtropers: nice

jacek: coders strike back? that takes me back...

5DN1L: those were the days

Default avatar.png Stromtropers: how do we create a communite contest

jacek: :(

Stromtropers: dos somebody know

5DN1L: What community contest are you thinking of?

Stromtropers: any

5DN1L: That's too vague

5DN1L: Give an example of the contest format

Stromtropers: I want to create one

jacek: oO

5DN1L: If you can't give any details, we can't asnwer you, Stromtropers

Stromtropers: ok

Stromtropers: clash code contest

5DN1L: are you talking about creating a single clash of code puzzle?

Stromtropers: yes

5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/creating-your-own-puzzle

Stromtropers: thank

Stromtropers: what can I put like input description and output

5DN1L: Refer to other contributions and puzzles for some examples

Stromtropers: I am contributing a clash of code

5DN1L: If you have no idea, please practise some first before you try to create one yourself

Stromtropers: and where I practise

5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/clashofcode

Darleanow: Hello 5dn1l :)

5DN1L: Hello Darleanow :)

Stromtropers: you are frend

MAWAAW: #vn

Stromtropers: #hello

Stromtropers: 5DN1L

Stromtropers: are responding

5DN1L: If you have any questions, just ask. It's not always me that will be answering here

Westicles: Welcome Stromtropers, have a taco

Westicles: https://imgur.com/a/AsBCNuF

Stromtropers: have taco what

Stromtropers: 5DN1L why do my computer is making sound with code in game

nicola: Maybe when someone is poking you.

nicola: Like this: Stromtropers.

Stromtropers: HOW DO A LIKE THIS nicola

nicola: What?

Stromtropers: like this :thumbsup:

.fill.: #hello

Stromtropers: #.fill.

Stromtropers: # #

Stromtropers: # e

5DN1L: that's all for you for today

Default avatar.png JabaDUDE: Hey guys new to the site. Seems like a fun way to get good but... uh... well you see, and this is awkward, I have no idea wtf I'm doing. Can anyone assist me

Default avatar.png JabaDUDE: Kindly,

Default avatar.png JabaDUDE: Jabadude

5DN1L: Have you learned any programming languages before?

Default avatar.png JabaDUDE: I'm learning my first one, Javascript

Razovsky: haaaaa

Razovsky: noooooooooo

5DN1L: You see, this is a practice website rather than a tutorial website

Razovsky: nothing can save you

Default avatar.png JabaDUDE: My problem isn't the language, it's how to navigate the site and understanding what i'm looking at

Razovsky: flee

5DN1L: JabaDUDE you can practise by playing puzzles here: https://www.codingame.com/training

5DN1L: and you can play multi-player games here: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer

5DN1L: More details here: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/im-new-to-codingame

Default avatar.png JabaDUDE: Im doing the training and looking at The Descent, I guess I'm not sure what its wanting me to do.

Default avatar.png Wizard-Dude: question, how would I calculate the impulse of two objects when they collide, if both objects have a mass of 1 and all I know the velocity of both objects?

jacek: youre probably struggling with input/output stuff

jacek: even more advanced people are struggling at first

5DN1L: JabaDUDE you're supposed to revise/complete the code so that it will solve all the test cases/validators

5DN1L: you read the inputs, process them, and write the answers as outputs

5DN1L: write refers to "console.log" in javascript

jacek: in the hints you even have complete solution. but generally you have, in loop, the list of mountains in inputs and you need to print desired output in each iteration of loop

Default avatar.png JabaDUDE: I know that, I guess I'm confused by the text. Am I shooting the last mountain or am I shooting all the mountains?

5DN1L: that is just visualisation

jacek: shoot the highest mountain

5DN1L: what you really have to do is to deal with text inputs and outputs

Default avatar.png JabaDUDE: gotcha, so I'm just outputing the last index

5DN1L: outputing the index of the highest mountain

5DN1L: index in the list of heights you are given

struct: Hi YurkovAS I see you are also doing STC, are you using random search?

5DN1L: e.g. if inputs = [7,6,5,4,3,2,1,0]

5DN1L: you output 0

5DN1L: because 7 is index 0 in the inputs

jacek: Wizard-Dude if youre doing simulation for mad pod racing i think there are some implementations already

Default avatar.png JabaDUDE: Ok so each turn the 'high mountain' will be a diff index and my code has to locate it thru loop, and 'fire it'

5DN1L: yup

Default avatar.png JabaDUDE: Gotcha. I guess I was reading too much into the description. Thank you.

5DN1L: np

jacek: like http://files.magusgeek.com/csb/csb_en.html

Default avatar.png frits.becker: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/07721f91-f65e-4f83-95be-aedf4aaec0ee

5DN1L: you can post your question on the forum

5DN1L: i'll amend the title of the post now

Default avatar.png frits.becker: thank you

5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/community-puzzle-guessing-n-cheating/61810

Default avatar.png frits.becker: <3

Default avatar.png frits.becker: I finally understand what I am doing wrong. thank you very much!

5DN1L: np :)

YurkovAS: struct hi! I'm use mcts

struct: oh nice

struct: Im redoing my unfinished bot

struct: Trying to use bitboards here

YurkovAS: + fast connected components https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/58038/fast-connected-components-for-6x12-bitboard

struct: didnt use that but I think the floodfill is fast enough

struct: There are plenty of tricks for non bitboards too

Default avatar.png sdfk: why dont people use java?

Default avatar.png sdfk: in coc?

struct: it's verbose

struct: you need to type a lot

Default avatar.png DOMINER: :taco: dominer

Default avatar.png sdfk: :(

Default avatar.png sdfk: i only know java :(

struct: :taco: jacek

antiwonto: [auto] struct has awarded jacek 10 tacos. jacek now has 50 taco. struct now has 48 taco

Default avatar.png sdfk: and i always lose the shortest battles

Default avatar.png sdfk: lol cause pythong wins

PatrickMcGinnisII: :taco: struct

antiwonto: [auto] PatrickMcGinnisII has awarded struct 10 tacos. struct now has 58 taco. PatrickMcGinnisII now has 32 taco

PatrickMcGinnisII: taco horse race

struct: thanks patric

struct: sdfk use ruby to beat python

Westicles: :taco: BlaiseEbuth

struct: heres a few tricks

antiwonto: [auto] Spread the love. Give tacos to someone else, not someone you spam with tacos.

struct: https://github.com/siman-man/ruby-golf-style-guide

Default avatar.png sdfk: ok ty

Default avatar.png sdfk: i only know java from my school

Default avatar.png sdfk: but ye

Default avatar.png sdfk: python looks pretty simil

Default avatar.png sdfk: aar

jacek: dont bring knife to a gun fight...

5DN1L: bring a white flag?

jacek: huh

jacek: struct :taco:

antiwonto: [auto] jacek has awarded struct 10 tacos. struct now has 68 taco. jacek now has 41 taco

Wontonimo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-fWDrZSiZs white flag

5DN1L: capture the flag: https://lab.reaal.me/jsrobot/

Default avatar.png DOMINER: hey

Default avatar.png DOMINER: i need tacos

Default avatar.png DOMINER: i'm gonna die

Wontonimo: waving flag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTJSt4wP2ME

Wontonimo: that's sad DOMINER

Wontonimo: if only there was a way to help you

Westicles: here you go DOMINER

Westicles: https://imgur.com/a/AsBCNuF

jacek: oO

Narcyssus: is it possible to open a clash report by id from channel ?

Wontonimo: gotta go

jacek: you have clash reports in notification

Default avatar.png dtator: Is there any way to clash only with persons using the same language?

struct: Yes in privates clashes or during clash events

Narcyssus: jacek, got it, thanks

Default avatar.png CarajoRosa: hello

Default avatar.png DOMINER: taco time

Default avatar.png DOMINER: :taco: dominer

Default avatar.png DOMINER: power taco

antiwonto: [auto] That taco command has moved to the #taco channel

-Ace: Hi

Default avatar.png CarajoRosa: why the descent take so long to understand xd

jacek: hm?

struct: you just need to understand how puzzles work I guess

ValentinBrault: function find in js doesn't work in codingame?

jacek: array.find()?

ValentinBrault: yes

struct: it seems to work

jacek: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/7ceaee40-d0c7-43eb-b38b-0bebcaaaec01

jacek: it works

ValentinBrault: ok maybe a error from me

ValentinBrault: thanks

struct: jacek how many weights does your NNs usually have?

jacek: oware has 81k

jacek: i keep them around 50k-80k

struct: any reason for that?

jacek: around 50k if i want to keep the code still readable. more for performance

jacek: i use one-hot inputs which are not size friendly, but fast

struct: I see

struct: I was thinking if L1 cache would help but it doesnt really fit there

struct: it would need to be like 8k weights

jacek: 8k weights? what is it? an NN for ants?

struct: would still beat my bots

struct: :D

DomiKo: "NN for ants" :joy:

jacek: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/MuJoCo-Ant-environments-for-continuous-control-tasks-used-in-our-experiments-The-labels_fig3_352672530

Aligg5: :slight_smile:

Peter_Riedel: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Wontonimo: hi

antiwonto: [auto] Hey Wontonimo, here is a :taco: for loggin in today while it is quiet. You now have 27 tacos

Wontonimo: yeah

struct: hi

Wontonimo: how's it going struct?

struct: good, trying to finish my stc bot

struct: what about you?

struct: are working on something?

Wontonimo: nope. I've been chatting just a tiny bit with jacek and ImSeaFu about NNs

Wontonimo: don't know if I've been a help

Wontonimo: probably I'd be able to help more once I actually use NN on CG

struct: you should try it

struct: I would help if I had a clue how to do one

struct: lol

Wontonimo: yeah

Wontonimo: :grin: thanks

struct: I could help writing the past forward stuff in c++ in avx or something

Wontonimo: that would be cool. there's lots here on CG to start with in the playgrounds

struct: I probably should ignore math and just try to do it

struct: what can go wrong :rolling_eyes:

Wontonimo: not much really. maybe a crash course in matrix math just so that you stop thinking in "neurons" and instead think in terms of connections (the matrix operations)

Wontonimo: because the connections are the important part. the neurons (nodes) are not.

Wontonimo: the nodes (neurons) are just the output, not the operation

struct: I think i understand that part

struct: just stopped at how it learns

struct: on how it changes weights

Wontonimo: use tensorflow during training. it does the weight changes automatically

Wontonimo: oh follow jacek's playground and just use c++

Wontonimo: but then you don't have all extra bells and whistles of tensorflow ;(

struct: his xor one?

Wontonimo: yeah

struct: thanks

struct: I might have a look after I finish stc

Husoski: 3182 times

Husoski: oops wrong chat

Wontonimo: food plz

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j4at: :taco: Wontonimo

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Wontonimo: you sir are a saint

j4at: (:

Wontonimo: what are you working on j4at?

j4at: Im almost done with my AI

Wontonimo: what will this AI do?

j4at: the spider attack one

Wontonimo: nice. what kind of stuff are you putting in your AI?

Wontonimo: i see you are already at silver, nice

j4at: That's just hardcoded. So the AI can be trained to play level 3 only.

Wontonimo: what algorithm(s) are you using?

j4at: Im using an encoding transformer neural network. I don't know if you read about transformers yet. but this is my architecture

j4at: https://ibb.co/C91HKtG

j4at: lol

j4at: self recursive ofc

j4at: forgot a line https://ibb.co/sJLwkhs

j4at: "output" is more like "output state"

PatrickMcGinnisII: look at NN sim of the human eye, i think they do image recog. with 20+ layers of 'intermediate' nodes

j4at: Will do

j4at: More accurate https://ibb.co/Chn3nkn

Wontonimo: and how is it doing so far? do you have an intermediate result replay?

j4at: I didn't test it yet to be real

j4at: I found a trick tho in RL

j4at: Do you know about ddpg ?

Wontonimo: nope, reading it now

Wontonimo: ah, seems pretty straight forward in concept, learn a value and policy. kinda what alpha does

Wontonimo: but for RL

Wontonimo: and how is the training going? do you have any metrics to indicate how good it is compared to your current silver bot?

j4at: Its only playing against itself. So have no metrics but hopefully tomorrow I will have some

Wontonimo: with old saves you can see how many generations of absolute defeat there are. For example, let's say you have

Wontonimo: about 500 saves of previous best versions. Starting with version 1, find the next version that wins against it 90% of the time. Maybe that is version 12.

j4at: Yes I know I finished working on it like few hours ago So I didn't test anything yet

j4at: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/f99a6c50-b05e-4882-b912-0d5b8550a910

Wontonimo: Then repeat finding the version that beats version 12 90% of the time

Wontonimo: when you got the 500th (or whatever your current version is) how many 90% win/loss levels is it ahead

Wontonimo: your solution to use 2 agents and 2 critics is interesting

Wontonimo: what kind of metrics do you have to see if it is improving?

j4at: Well, I will start but making it play again my hard coded version and then make it play with older versions

j4at: because ofc it can overfit if i make it train with my hardcoded version

j4at: Well I can use the hardcoded version only as a metric i'm sleepy :3

j4at: for now

j4at: not for training

Wontonimo: very interesting stuff !

j4at: So, the critic lowers the score of actor's action prediction and that makes the actor tries to output a good action but different action than previous ones, self explore :o. The thing I'm scared about tho is if the actor will not try "bad" actions at all. So I might neeed to add some randomness ? Or I might just need to play with the 3 different learning rates and makes them change differntly.

Wontonimo: have you used this architecture on something more simple, like 3x3 tic tac toe ?

j4at: Not yet, I need to do a lot of tests :3 in my defense I came out with it like 2 days ago.

j4at: I tested the NN architecture tho