holite: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/191342052dba9c37b44d155a052bac135560c9f
xxd: reported
xxd: kidding
dmin: is it possible for someone to look at my current clash solution afterwards?
dmin: I couldnt find a solution in the allotted 15 mins. It's in java
michaellan: what language
dmin: java
michaellan: ah my bad didnt see ur comment
dmin: all good it was kinda hidden
xxd: try sending a link to the clash
dmin: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/report/1913415bbb890e6514378364f6b873ab081421e
xxd: cant see code, oops
dmin: i really tried to brute it
xxd: whats the problem statement
dmin: take a string like "1+3+2" and return it as "1+2+3"
xxd: i.e., sort the numbers in between the + signs?
dmin: correct
xxd: put your code on a pastebin and PM it to me
maazshakeel: Hi
dmin: heya
holite: guys can you joint his clash and help me
holite: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/191343434c1616596a927c7894d387b27fc1454
xxd: dude
xxd: you cant join after its started
xxd: and its annoying for you to send these links
holite: YEP SORRY
holite: really sory not anymore links
holite: an last link https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/191343930e92ac787b54a336ff72cbeebaa28d5
holite: .pls join fast
holite: fsst
holite: fast
holite: fast
holite: fst
holite: ]
holite: {pls fast}
xxd: dude
**juice0 slaps holite around a bit with a large fishbot
holite: huh??
xxd: i'm gonna join this clash to spite you
juice0: finish him
holite: oh my god sorry
holite: really sory
holite: :(\
holite: \\\\////
xxd: i'm 22nd global ATM
xxd: :D
holite: can you solve this xxd?
xxd: of course, i already have the solution and am trying other languages to make it shorter
holite: can you pls share with me
J[]HN_WICK: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/19134412d58995cdce16aedc15379b8c0d96a31
xxd: of course not
xxd: oh my LORD
xxd: please stop
holite: ok sorry
holite: hey stop i realize my mistake opls do not send clash link
holite: and xxd they why have you nt submitted it
holite: even i have the solution
xxd: because its shortest mode you doofus
xxd: holite is harassing me in DMs
Westicles: That's what you get for talking to plebs
xxd: sorry westicles :pensive:
xxd: that was a garbage problem, bad validators
juice0: that was not the thrashing i'd hoped for. oh well, at least the troll couldn't have done any worse.
xxd: that was an anomaly in my performance, trust me
xxd: there were literally no constraint details in the problem statement
juice0: i believe you
xxd: cant believe i got trolled from some guy who "have contacts with best coders i have not ime to speak with you imediatley comman dto realsize me or un ban me"
J[]HN_WICK: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1913462e54624728ed6c2dfcf4b50f777dd6e93
xxd: no
xxd: no god please no
juice0: lol
xxd: J[]HN_WICK is this guy's alt
xxd: wait wtf
xxd: this guy is giving me bad luck
xxd: clash is for donks anyway
juice0: yep quit donking around. how's the progress on top 2% in bot programming?
xxd: got that one
juice0: oh nice congrats!
xxd: thanks!
xxd: yeah so im just working on optimization now
juice0: that might be my next one once i finish that top 2% one
xxd: awesome, good luck on it!
xxd: which games do you have your eye on
juice0: redoing ghost in the cell tonight and hope that pushes me over. just reached gold in legends of code and magic earlier today
juice0: did that and gold in ultimate tic tac toe. tried hypersonic but got a little overwhelmed and didn't get back into it
xxd: congrats on LoCAM
xxd: thats a real chonker of a game
xxd: UTTT is a fun one, I learned MCTS doing it
rqwerqwe: guys what is 9223372036854775807 % 4? ddg's calc is saying its 0, but when I print the value I get 3
xxd: cant say im familiar with the others, but hope you have fun :)
xxd: you can just look at the last two digits to determine mod 4 residue
xxd: so you're right
juice0: thank you. yeah i should have read what worked for others in uTTT. i would've attempted a monte carlo too. but i was deep into doing it another way and just got lucky it kept working
xxd: ah, haha
xxd: "local optimum" innit
xxd: i'm gonna ditch my current greedy strategy in CvZ for monte carlo
xxd: All hail MC!
juice0: that's right. when you've got a new hammer, everything looks like a nail
xxd: including @holite
xxd: just kidding ;)
juice0: haha well he was responding to the hammer
xxd: :banhammer:
xxd: is there a quest path on the right part of the quest "board"? or is that just empty space
juice0: the clash and contribution tracks are on the righthand side for me
juice0: based on how i remember it, i should say
xxd: yeah, there's a column of empty squares to the right of it, though
xxd: it sorta forms a nice path going upward and to the left at the top
xxd: it would be a shame for there not to be another quest path :smirk:
juice0: it could be designed with a later addition there in mind
rqwerqwe: how can I get harder clash of code problems when doing private matches with friends
xxd: CoC problems have no difficulty ranking
xxd: as a result, there is no such concept as filtering problems by difficulty
LittleFlea: ^this is true
LittleFlea: and you get paired with master
rqwerqwe: thats dumb ngl
xxd: yeah but its like elo sorta
xxd: so the master loses a ton of rating if he loses to u but u dont lose much against him
M0narchicalMush: I have zero clue as to what im doing :/
xxd: same here, man, same here
M0narchicalMush: just threw me in as if i had any standing..
M0narchicalMush: betraal
M0narchicalMush: betrayal*
juice0: it's too bad i'm not in the mood to clash right now. i smell blood in the water!
M0narchicalMush: How do we get more insight onto what to do before it throws us into the pool?
xxd: are you referring to clash?
xxd: clash of code*
M0narchicalMush: just in general
M0narchicalMush: I felt like i had no preperation at all
xxd: i generally dont recommend this site to others as a way to learn how to code
xxd: like you should know how to code before coming onto here
M0narchicalMush: Still, just asked me to copy and paste shit (which i didnt, i hand typed) how is that helping anyone?
xxd: ?
xxd: where
M0narchicalMush: tutorial
juice0: i don't even remember the tutorial
michaellan: yeah, sorry, neither do i
michaellan: i might create an alt sometime just to test my TTT MCTS on the Wood league of UTTT
michaellan: but i can sorta expect the results already
juice0: hm i might be back a little later tonight. ciao for now
michaellan: 再见
michaellan: good night, to whoever sees this
ProCoder03: does MC count as reinforcement value ??
ProCoder03: *AI
ProCoder03: :sweat_smile:
Takibi: hi
Takibi: im new
Takibi: need tutor hahahaha
ProCoder03: hi takibi , feel free to can ask here !!
Takibi: hahahaha thank you
Takibi: should we add first?
ProCoder03: add what ??
Takibi: add friend
ProCoder03: not needed
Takibi: ouhh okey
Takibi: im learning python
Takibi: but not understand anything
Takibi: hahahaha
ProCoder03: Ohhh.. try learnpython.org
Takibi: okey thank you soo much
-Gamma-: ot this
-Gamma-: or*
-Gamma-: http://bedford-computing.co.uk/learning/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Python-Cookbook-3rd-Edition.pdf
derjack: oh my
real_coder: potatoes are great
phsads: agree
derjack: :upside_down:
-Gamma-: only potato chips
derjack: fries, baked, mashed, vodka...
derjack: happy 13th friday
BlaiseEbuth: :imp:
derjack: hmm https://arxiv.org/abs/2108.02547
derjack: alternative to pie rule for chess? :thinking:
Uljahn: they should also add stealing moves then :upside_down:
carlo007: byskkl
carlo007: bysrkl
Bips: i love potatoes
GoogleJeff: all potatoes?
Bips: HELL YES
GoogleJeff: that's a lot of potatoes
Bips: just the way i like it
BlaiseEbuth: Your life is potatoes?
GoogleJeff: what's your opinion on po-tah-toes
Bips: amazing
BlaiseEbuth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiqqC_fbP1c
oxydowe: some people have A LOT of po-tattoos
Bips: i have never been this inspired before
Bips: thank you
oxydowe: ur welcome
GoogleJeff: KeeN: please share your code for https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/report/1913955a0896b6479e093a8222eebf247b9c1e6
KiwiTae: Google send yours!
KeeN: GoogleJeff -> nothing special there - you are welcome)
GoogleJeff: thanks!
GoogleJeff: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/8e2ec7df-3d1a-4cd8-9fdc-19a44bd1879c
KeeN: yeah, I saw that
KeeN: )
MuaKuZ: normally there is always a fragment of pseudocode on the left. I have nothing there. am new and if I have forgotten something or it is due to the settings please let me know .. thank you
ProCoder03: Nahh... Its only there in few puzzles for beginners to start with
MuaKuZ: i strated with coders strike back -same time as a friend of mine- he has the pseudo code but i havent it ...
MuaKuZ: started
ProCoder03: Wait!! Thats ain't possible
MuaKuZ: we both started with the first lesson in coders strike back -he has the pseudocode straight under the simulation but not me... we were in ms teams and we both searched for it ...
KiwiTae: there is a reset button on the ide
ProCoder03: Wood I in CSB doesn't have psuedocode afaik
ProCoder03: The hint comes kinda like a pop up like onboarding iirc
derjack: oO
ProCoder03: ??
ProCoder03: any clues how to do ASCII arts ??
ProCoder03: plz
ProCoder03: nah... just found the hints Thanks BTW
derjack: !
MuaKuZ: it was told me code is under the simulation in the scroll area and not in a pop up....but thanks for help perhaps a rooki fail or something like that
MuaKuZ: of me
MuaKuZ: not code i mean a piece of pseudo code
ProCoder03: pseudocode under the game windows comes only in wood II
MuaKuZ: we had both the same game open and it was csb
ProCoder03: csb is a league based game !!!
ProCoder03: you have Wood 3 to 1 , bronze ,....
dmin: how do u beat wood1
dmin: rank 1st?
martinpapa69: you need to use mathematics
dmin: gotcha
Hunter64TheOneCodinGame: hello hello
dmin: but you need to reach 1st on the overall leaderboards, right?
martinpapa69: on the left side you only see your leagues leaderboard. once you get to the top, you get promoted to the next league
dmin: gotcha!
martinpapa69: unless you are in legend league
derjack: if he were, i doubt he would be asking that :v
Wontonimo: hey dmin, try changing your targeting
Wontonimo: instead of targeting the checkpoint,
Wontonimo: target the checkpoint minus your velocity
Wontonimo: velocity = position - previous position
derjack: wontonimk
BlaiseEbuth: Wontonimod
martinpapa69: 3veltonimo
Wontonimo: what the heck?
martinpapa69: whatthehecktonimo
Wontonimo: should i stop?
Wontonimo: this doesn't feel friendly tbh
derjack: its alright
reCurse: Unfortunately often in this chat
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah... Sad... :(
derjack: hm?
BlaiseEbuth: Bad people are bad derjack :(
derjack: :rage:
derjack: Wontonimo dont stop. anything that can keep people from clashes is good
Uljahn: MK was notorious for pushing csb and -3vel too much hence that memeing, nothing to be upset about
eulerscheZahl: can explaining the -3v via teamviewer
Tuan2k8: Hello
michaellan: who's MK?
eulerscheZahl: MadKnight
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/profile/b50b600f5dc25555f35bd2da9a0cf8a07356021
eulerscheZahl: not the other one that pops up when you enter his nick in the search bar
xxd: gotcha
xxd: -3vel is overpowered
xxd: at least from what i've observed, it makes it so that you sorta lightly "brush" each checkpoint instead of going straight through the center of it
michaellan: and i also find boosting near the start is helpful, since my bot doesntt want collisions
michaellan: clarification question: for CvZ, when a zombie is killed, is it scored based off how many humans are alive *in that moment* or *at the end of the game*?
eulerscheZahl: that moment
michaellan: cool, that makes things way easier. thanks
MiyamuraIzumi: do we have anyone that achieve all legend medal?
MiyamuraIzumi: *ACHIEVEMENTS
ProCoder03: For that , we need one fellow who is literally proficient in all languages supported by CG
BlaiseEbuth: No.
xxd: that shouldn't be too bad ProCoder03, you can solve the same easy puzzles in many languages
BlaiseEbuth: But you can't create a contest anymore \o/
xxd: what??
jacek: oO
michaellan: for CvZ can you do any better than n=100 zombies * n=100 humans when calculating zombie moves?
michaellan: its a lot of computation i think
MiyamuraIzumi: in cVz can you do better than me?
xxd: probably not :)
xxd: i'm still writing mine out
michaellan: MiyamuraIzumi what type of approach are you using for CvZ?
MiyamuraIzumi: Monte Carlo
michaellan: ah, same. maybe i'll finish by today and i'll tell you how mine does
MiyamuraIzumi: nice :)
michaellan: are you using eldidou's strategy by chance?
MiyamuraIzumi: I just remember I've use strategy of an article in discussion
MiyamuraIzumi: it's been too long that I don't remember the Author
michaellan: that is probably the one, yeah
michaellan: cool
Shivay: @Driikolu i want to get advice from you
michaellan: um... can someone clarify the fibonacci multiplier for CvZ? Letting h = number of humans stiill alive, if I kill 1 zombie I get h*h*10, but if I kill two I get 3*h*h*10 + 5*h*h*10?
michaellan: because it says the (n+2)th fibonacci number and the sequence in the problem statement starts at 1,2,3,5...
michaellan: i am wondering if that sequence already accounts for the n+2, in which case 2 zombies would give 1*h*h*10 + 2*h*h*10
michaellan: okay its definitely the latter
Shivay: anyone say where can use html javascript
Scarfield: xxd, the fibonacci seq. starts (0,1,1,2,3,5,..) so the (1,2,3,5,8,..) already accounts for n+2. each zombie killed in the same turn, will get its own multiplier, the 1st zombie: x1, 2nd zombie: x2, 4th zombie x5, and so on
xxd: thanks
xxd: I don't think i'm doing MC correctly...
martinpapa69: i dont think pure mc will give good result there. you need to combine with heristics
xxd: awwww
jacek: like nn
xxd: bruh -_-
Scarfield: i used GA for CvZ, but i dont know what approach is better, i just wanted to try it
martinpapa69: if you read the winners postmortem youll see you can get good results with very simple algo
xxd: is the winner's postmortem not an MC?
xxd: i am trying to replicate it
martinpapa69: mc with heuristics
Scarfield: the current top players got the validators, locally optimised for them, and hardcoded their submissions afaik
eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/dbdr/codingame-validators/blob/master/cvz.txt
martinpapa69: wow
eulerscheZahl: mine is still online. couldn't do offline as my sim has some off by one errors
eulerscheZahl: and i didn't bother
Scarfield: lol, also for code of the ring xD i need to go back and try that again some time, looked interesting when i saw, but had no idea of how to approach it then
Scarfield: still dont now that i think of it
eulerscheZahl: i do beam search
eulerscheZahl: offline
xxd: what does online/offline mean eulerscheZahl?
eulerscheZahl: offline = you play the optim on your own computer and hardcode a sequence of moves
xxd: ah i see
eulerscheZahl: i ran my search for maybe 10 minutes on some of the code of the rings validators
TobiasA: big brain stuff yea?:nerd:
eulerscheZahl: no, compensating for small brain with more CPU power
TobiasA: you need big brain to accomplish that
TobiasA: how contradictive:triumph:
sadboy69: SMOL COCC HUGE NUTZ
xxd: mods
Astrobytes: he's kicked, don't worry
xxd: ah ok
xxd: forget that removing messages isnt a feature of (base) XMPP
Astrobytes: Yeah, we're stuck with that lack of functionality unfortunately.
jacek: :(
jacek: then you must act appropriately at all times
jacek: no margin for error
michaellan: no trolling
jacek: :rage:
michaellan: :)
martinpapa69: :cop_tone1:
eulerscheZahl: :frog:
Wontonimo: :spy:
BlaiseEbuth: :imp:
jacek: c-c-c-combo breaker
jacek: :3
BlaiseEbuth: mods ? Kick that troll
eulerscheZahl: oh, your badge is gone again
jacek: mods? kick that man who puts space before question mark
eulerscheZahl: that's a french thing
martinpapa69: unacceptable .
eulerscheZahl: most of them also write "exemple"
BlaiseEbuth: Will see what happen after the chat crash of this week end...
jacek: after friday patches?
Wontonimo: why does your mod badge goes away so often Blaise?
Wontonimo: *go
BlaiseEbuth: Goes Tibo and the XMPP server don't agree about my mod status.
BlaiseEbuth: *cause
BlaiseEbuth: I'm tired... -_-
michaellan: so is blaise a mod or not...
Uljahn: not anymore
BlaiseEbuth: No.
BlaiseEbuth: But the server disagree
Uljahn: so the mod status actually doesn't go away, it returns back due to the chat reboot
michaellan: why cant they just fix it so the chat reboot doesnt give him mod again
michaellan: also, is the thing where the chat breaks a weekly occurrence?
eulerscheZahl: it's a random occurence
jacek: once a mod, always a mod. you cant escape destiny
BlaiseEbuth: Wowowo, they will not totally remake their entire system, that bug since years btw, just to avoid the chat to set me back mod... :rofl:
xxd: :rage:
BlaiseEbuth: What is it again? Ah right "That's not the priority" :smirk:
xxd: the priority is making more escape rooms :rolling_eyes:
BlaiseEbuth: Right.
eulerscheZahl: there are also other moderation-like statuses that everyone can achieve. reach level 29 and you can edit all community puzzles
**eulerscheZahl still can't edit faulty clashes
xxd: D:
BlaiseEbuth: "We are conscient that the moderation system is far as perfect, but that's NOT THE PRIORITY"
Astrobytes: I can't either. And I refuse to play enough clashes that I can.
xxd: well if you desire any edits, I got you
eulerscheZahl: "is far as perfect"? do you mean far from perfect?
xxd: I am a clashing degenerate
xxd: (reformed)
eulerscheZahl: not currently. sometimes users pop up in chat and report problems with a certain puzzle or clash
BlaiseEbuth: I probably meant that, yes.
xxd: I see, that makes sense
eulerscheZahl: and i'm like "yeah i see the problem. maybe someone else can fix it"
xxd: so you basically go to its contribution page and edit it there right?
eulerscheZahl: yes
xxd: is there an easy way to go from the clash to the contribution page?
eulerscheZahl: no
BlaiseEbuth: "Not the priority"
xxd: well thats probably for the better
eulerscheZahl: maybe
i don't know
can you repeat the question
Astrobytes: :D
eulerscheZahl: Astrobytes knows the TV show :)
Astrobytes: Malcolm in the Middle?
eulerscheZahl: yes
Astrobytes: Yeah I remember it
eulerscheZahl: i've seen all episodes as a kid. and then again as an adult
Astrobytes: I haven't rewatched it at all, it was pretty good
jacek: mitm?
eulerscheZahl: man in the middle?
jacek: :scream:
BlaiseEbuth: o//\o/\\o
eulerscheZahl: malcolm aired on Pro7 here in Germany. Replaced Sabrina iirc
Astrobytes: I liked Sabrina too lol
eulerscheZahl: same
eulerscheZahl: my favorite character as a kid was Salem
Astrobytes: haha right!
BlaiseEbuth: :smile_cat:
jacek: oh new multiplayer game eh https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/6870921d7302d6decba319f66b7716afddb3
jacek: also let me find a meme http://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/04f934f47463f77267118facfe178fb6222d6e-wm.jpg?v=3
Swyfti: nice meme
eulerscheZahl: i just watched a boss vs boss game in the space shooter. I like how the explosion starts at (0/0) and then the effect moves to where it should be
eulerscheZahl: that happens when you forget to commit the entity state location at t=0
Swyfti: ghostbusting
Swyfti: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/575541730
TobiasA: the new multiplayer game looks lit
Alfredb: what is the new multiplayer game? Can you link?
eulerscheZahl: do you mean the pending contribution?
eulerscheZahl: was linked 30min ago
Alfredb: oh I see it above
R8T3D: is there a way to do a certain clash of code challenge any time?
Katespizer: community -> contributions at the top
eulerscheZahl: https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/
search for the clash
xxd: i have no clue how to visualize a CvZ game for debugging :(
xxd: locally*
martinpapa69: what language
xxd: C++
reCurse: Yeah those games are toughest to debug
eulerscheZahl: https://imgur.com/a/kE918FW
(that's mars lander)
eulerscheZahl: you could generate SVG images. the syntax is pretty simple
eulerscheZahl: and then use something like imagemagick to make a full animated gif if you see need
xxd: wow, that sounds interesting
eulerscheZahl: i should figure out how to add the marslander crash sound to that gif :P
martinpapa69: there is a good c++ lib for simple 2d visualizer. forgo the name tho
reCurse: In the same spirit you can just write html files, that gives you more options if you're comfortable with web techs
reCurse: It's work though
Swyfti: ai legend level?
Swyfti: no way i am going to get it
eulerscheZahl: i used the standard C# way (System.Drawing library)
martinpapa69: ahh its sfml. but ye drawing bitmaps frame by frame might be easier
BlaiseEbuth: sfml
reCurse: I would definitely not recommend going that route personally
reCurse: Even more work
BlaiseEbuth: I agree
eulerscheZahl: drawing a png is 20-30 lines of code if you just want something basic.
and some #if DEBUG since CG switched to .net core and forgot to include System.Drawing.Common :/
martinpapa69: he uses c++. he cant just bitmap.draw(new circle())
reCurse: The bottom line is as long as you dump enough information in a text file, you can use pretty much anything ever made
reCurse: So have fun
xxd: rip
eulerscheZahl: using(Graphics g = Graphics.FromImage(byBitmap)) {
g.FillEllipse(...)
Swyfti: is this for c#
eulerscheZahl: yes
Swyfti: omg
reCurse: That API can be notoriously slow btw
reCurse: Not that there's much better for c#
Swyfti: i love c# as a language, because i create games in unity
eulerscheZahl: i know. that's a true annoyance
reCurse: Using javascript canvas might actually be the easiest, as much as I dislike saying that
jacek: :scream:
xxd: oh thats good idea
eulerscheZahl: no pixi?
reCurse: Wayyyy overkill
eulerscheZahl: just kidding
eulerscheZahl: did pixi once for the interactive number shifting version (just wanted to try it)
eulerscheZahl: some overhead, not that much fun to code for me
xxd: i dont even have 16000 pixels by 9000 pixels -_-
reCurse: *cough*scaling
eulerscheZahl: and frying my GPU even when there is just a static image to show
reCurse: That doesn't sound right
eulerscheZahl: https://eulerschezahl.github.io/NumberShifting.html
test it
BlaiseEbuth: If you scale enough you can even represent the map in a console with ascii char. ^^
reCurse: I can't my gpu is in rather high load atm
martinpapa69: you can visualse the whole map in a pixel
xxd: peak efficiency
jacek: gpu used for chess i presume
reCurse: Correct
jacek: :+1:
Astrobytes: Bit late but the OLC Pixel Game Engine is handy for visuals (one header file, easy AF to set up)
xxd: this is too overwhelming for me for now :(
xxd: just wanted to visualize some dots going around on a rectangle :rage:
Astrobytes: Try the one I suggested, guaranteed drawing things in minutes
reCurse: Or else?
eulerscheZahl: account delete
Astrobytes: Or else... drawing nothing. In minutes.
reCurse: That's not how guarantees work
Astrobytes: :(
withab: after coders strike back, what is the simpliest bot fight ?
reCurse: You're implying coders strike back is among the simplest?
eulerscheZahl: as CSB isn't the simplest (in my opinion): do you ask for the easiest overall of the next harder one?
withab: the easiest
ViviCode: my quest map suggested Ghost in the Cell as an introduction to bot fights
eulerscheZahl: rule-wise this is really simple: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/connect-4
eulerscheZahl: still not easy to reach the top
withab: thanks
withab: i'll see
xxd: i liked UTTT
xxd: going from TTT -> UTTT was a smooth transition for me and allowed me to take it a step at a time
xxd: (ultimate tic tac toe)
reCurse: I wish that was a bannable offense
Thyl: Hi !
AllYourTrees: how's the progress on ultimate C4 coming along?
TobiasA: you can't be serious
xxd: reCurse: what?
reCurse: Joking
xxd: oops must have flown over my head
Astrobytes: xxd: reCurse *really* doesn't like UTTT
xxd: ah
xxd: too boring? or...
TobiasA: i just got promoted to bronze in uttt
TobiasA: now i feel like procrastinating
xxd: I just don't get how getting 40k on CvZ is only bronze
xxd: it feels quite difficult to me
TobiasA: facts
TobiasA: it should have been legend
xxd: -_-
martinpapa69: wow even optims have leagues now ?
xxd: no i meant the bronze certification, sorry
Astrobytes: Don't worry about that stuff
MSmits: man, those sideeffects are no joke
MSmits: got my 2nd shot yesterday
MSmits: a bit late, wife and daughter had it 2 weeks earlier
Astrobytes: I had to reschedule mine due to er, having it
MSmits: did you have a 1st shot?
Astrobytes: Yeah
MSmits: they're not sure if it's worth getting a 2nd then
MSmits: they're sure it's not worth it if you did covid and then 1 shot
MSmits: but you did 1 shot, then covid
Astrobytes: Well, I had covid, got one shot, and have covid again so...
martinpapa69: wow
MSmits: then it's not worth getting a 2nd shot
MSmits: but damn
reCurse: Have you tried not getting covid?
Astrobytes: Hey it was over a year apart
MSmits: lol
Astrobytes: Seriously. I'm unbelievably careful
Astrobytes: I am also notoriously unlucky.
MSmits: except your grocery shopping is like a minefield right?
borrel: why would you get a shot when you have had covid?
MSmits: you need at least 1 shot borrel
Astrobytes: Yeah. No amount of care on your part can mitigate idiots.
MSmits: even if you've gotten covid
MSmits: the vaccine offers more protection than getting the actual virus, it seems
borrel: woudent you have antyboddyies?
MSmits: yes, some
MSmits: but the second time your body goes into overdrive producing them
MSmits: which is why i feel like crap now and not the first time
borrel: i cee
MSmits: i am talking about shots btw
MSmits: i never got the virus thankfully
Astrobytes: FWIW, my mother also has COVID - after second jab (AZ, I had Pfizer). I blame myself.
MSmits: delta probably ?
MSmits: it's notorious for breakthrough cases
MSmits: but should be far less severe
Astrobytes: They don't give you details but yes I would wager most of my money on it.
Astrobytes: It's noticeably similar.
MSmits: i can't even convince my mother to take a shot :(
MSmits: she's really careful, but it's gonna get her at some point
Astrobytes: But I'm nowhere near as bad as I was before. Unbelievably exhausted and awful, awful cough but not like before.
borrel: getting it is not the worst for most peaple
Astrobytes: It will. Not a question of if it will, a question of when.
borrel: oops timing
borrel: sorry
MSmits: right, but my mom is 70 and diabetic
MSmits: so...
borrel: oof
Astrobytes: Why won't she get the shot?
MSmits: she is paranoid about some parts of the health system
MSmits: not from watching right wing nutters or something
MSmits: she always watched cnn until trump was gone
Astrobytes: She got dementia of any kind?
MSmits: nope
borrel: well we have the opeoid cirisis
MSmits: she just has selective paranoia
Astrobytes: Hm. What causes her paranoia?
MSmits: she took care of demented patients for around 20 yrs
MSmits: and she saw them get dosed with some heavy medication
MSmits: haldol and such
MSmits: this made he trust the health system less
Astrobytes: Oh right. Gonna be hard to reassure her
MSmits: her
MSmits: yeah for some people there is no point in pushing
MSmits: they'll only dig in
Astrobytes: But try to at least assure her that the jab isn't haloperidol
MSmits: no she knows that
MSmits: but she just has a general sense of distrust
Astrobytes: *anything like I mean
MSmits: she does take a lot of other healthcare. The paranoia is very selective
MSmits: like insulin
Astrobytes: Fair. The psychiatric care scene is only very recently becoming semi-humane
MSmits: and she had eye surgery
borrel: also, Talk to you doctor
MSmits: every doctor says the same thing though
MSmits: so you can talk to any doctor
MSmits: they'll all tell you to take the shot unless there is something really weird about you
martinpapa69: ye they have something in their had that they were thought to
martinpapa69: and they try to see the patterns on the patients
MSmits: who are you talking about?
martinpapa69: doctors
MSmits: ah
MSmits: well when it comes to covid, you really don't need a doctors advice unless you have some special conditions
MSmits: like the condition of: right wing media indoctrination
Rob022: left wing === right wing
MSmits: not when it comes to vaccination
borrel: extremist === extremist
MSmits: but sure, they both have extremists
Astrobytes: If that was the case they'd all be centrist.
MSmits: covid denial is almost 100% on the right
Rob022: left and right are the same people, just to oppress people who don't think like them
Astrobytes: Only one of the extremists here has been conjured up again recently. You guess. I'm not participating any further in this discussion.
Rob022: both sides are idiots
MSmits: right Astrobytes, i'm stopping also :)
MSmits: 1 more week of vacation and then I'm teaching again
MSmits: hope I get to teach full classes and not this annoying semi-physical + online thing
Astrobytes: Have you accomplished ytour set vacation tasks MSmits?
MSmits: that doesn't work at all
Astrobytes: *your
MSmits: around half Astrobytes, I still have hope for next week
Astrobytes: Pretty good going tbh
MSmits: i got the meta mcts for oware to work with the 1-36 seeds endgame books
MSmits: works like a charm
MSmits: given enough time it easily finds the moves played by robo and jace k
MSmits: and it's super fast because it only plays down to 36
Astrobytes: Nice. You were planning to use this for your NN
MSmits: yes i am now considering training it only on the endgame books
MSmits: and just putting an opening book in there for the start
MSmits: it really doesn't take many moves
Astrobytes: Surely it would converge to the same moves anyway
MSmits: and I can put 100k in there and use half the code space
MSmits: training it on the endgame books should make it work better because it's more specialized
MSmits: may need a smaller network
Astrobytes: Yes I see your idea, should be interesting
MSmits: yeah and if nothing else it's just more NN practice. The hardest part is getting the inferrer to work
MSmits: I looked more closely at marchete's work
martinpapa69: hat is a "1-36 seeds endgame books" ?
martinpapa69: what*
MSmits: oware starts with 48 seeds
MSmits: I brute forced all game states with 36 or less seeds
MSmits: so i know the solved value
MSmits: assuming no turn limit
martinpapa69: i see
MSmits: this takes 57 GB on my disk btw
MSmits: using 7 bits per state
MSmits: so it's a lot
MSmits: 7 bits because the values are between -48 and + 48
MSmits: err i mean -36 to +36
MSmits: but still doesn't fit in 6 bit
MSmits: 31 seeds would fit in 6 bit
reCurse: You could try compressing
martinpapa69: wait you encode the whole state in 7 bit ?
MSmits: no, the solved value
MSmits: the net seed gain
MSmits: for the player currently to move
MSmits: the state itself is not stored. I have an index function
martinpapa69: oh so you work with seed diff
MSmits: reCurse not sure if there is any gain to be had from compression. I don't think there are long series of similar results. Can't be sure until i test of course
MSmits: martinpapa69 yes, so that way i can use the result no matter what the score is
MSmits: i just add it to whatever the current score is
Astrobytes: MSmits: Bitstreams!!1!!! :P
martinpapa69: why dont you give the game value to states ?
martinpapa69: -1, 0, 1
MSmits: because the game value also depends on the current score
MSmits: if 12 seeds have been captured
MSmits: it matters if it's 12-0 or 6-6
MSmits: with the net seed gain, the score doesn't matter
MSmits: not for the usefulness of the lookup that is
reCurse: I think you underestimate what some compression can do
MSmits: that's entirely possible
MSmits: but when having a book of gamevalues that can only be 0, -1 or 1, compression is more succesful than when there are 73 different possible values
MSmits: at least that is my assumption
MSmits: but maybe i am only thinking about run-length compression or whatever that's called and a more advanced form would work better
reCurse: RLE is neanderthal
MSmits: no doubt :)
reCurse: Just try it
reCurse: Grab zstd and run it with typical params
MSmits: what exactly should I try?
MSmits: zstd?
reCurse: Yes
MSmits: I'm going to try it just out of curiosity, but what exactly would be the gain of having it compressed?
MSmits: during use it would have to be extracted right?
reCurse: You seemed to mention storage as an issue
MSmits: oh, i just wanted to give an idea of how much data it is. The disk space isnt really the main bottleneck
reCurse: Nevermind then
MSmits: during generation, RAM is the main issue
MSmits: the last book used 29 GB of it
MSmits: almost all of it
MSmits: i could have gone further with memory mapping and such, but it'd be so much slower that it would take months
Astrobytes: Cause it's only taken days up to now? :P
MSmits: no, I think from the start, using a single core it was 2-3 weeks total
MSmits: but more cores might not have been helpful considering the memory issue
MSmits: this game is really very solvable. I think you could do it for less than 5k Euros
MSmits: but you'd have to assume infinite turns, the turn limit messes things up
martinpapa69: this turn thingy sucks
Astrobytes: Write a preliminary paper, get funding, get solved
MSmits: mmh I think it should not be coded by me. I can come up with the algorithm for it, but when i read papers about this, they use some extreme tricks to make this go faster
Astrobytes: Yes. So reach out to people.
MSmits: also they run it on like 40 systems at once
MSmits: mmh I might at some point. Not sure if this is an area of interest though. I should check out what the most popular version of oware is and try for that one instead
martinpapa69: is this game acttually played by anyone ?
Astrobytes: Why not this one? All unsolved games are of interest. Or most.
Astrobytes: Yes martinpapa69
MSmits: martinpapa69 it's in African countries what chess is here and go is in asia
martinpapa69: hm, thought its just an ancient game
MSmits: but there are many versions of it
Astrobytes: It's that too, yes.
MSmits: but i was saying
martinpapa69: pretty good game to experiment with nns tho
MSmits: i was looking at marchetes work
MSmits: I have a lot of problems extracting th e inferrer from it
MSmits: his code is alien to me
MSmits: i can just steal the whole thing and make an azero bot, but thats not what i want
martinpapa69: you can code the nn part in 150 lines
MSmits: really ?
martinpapa69: yes, i actually did that
MSmits: can you point to me, roughly, which parts i need in his code?
MSmits: i saw some matrix and avx stuff
martinpapa69: if you only want to use the nn only i wouldnt recommend to start with that code
martinpapa69: because of the avx stuff
MSmits: well i need the avx stuff
martinpapa69: it makes it look much more complex than it actually is
MSmits: I am actually reasonably competent with avx
MSmits: but yeah i get what you're saying
martinpapa69: i removed the avx part
martinpapa69: it got even faster
MSmits: you dont do any simd?
MSmits: huh ??
MSmits: autovectorization?
martinpapa69: the compliler autovectorises
MSmits: ahh
martinpapa69: i use quantization for inference tho
martinpapa69: with avx
MSmits: well the nice part is that i am just doing a value network
MSmits: no policy
MSmits: so i can just take my bot and replace the eval function with this
MSmits: martinpapa69 what problem are you running into with oware?
MSmits: your bot is not getting into top 10 it seems
MSmits: not saying that's easy. It took marchete a lot of effort too
martinpapa69: im just experimenting. my best one was rank4-5
MSmits: oh, nice
MSmits: yeah i see a lot of martinpapa69 in my battle history
martinpapa69: ye i experiment a lot :D
MSmits: sooo... when you submit your good version, there are only NN's in top 10
martinpapa69: ye
MSmits: crazy
MSmits: it's too bad that oware is such a hard game for a human to get a handle on
MSmits: it's hard to see whether your bot is getting better, except for leaderboard results
MSmits: well... I kinda memorized the first few best moves, from staring at meta mcts, but that's not the same as knowing why moves are good
martinpapa69: ye, thats what i dont like about this game
MSmits: the simplicity is nice though
martinpapa69: on csb for example you isntanly see if your bot acts good
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: on uttt it's the same thing. It's simplicity is nice to learn mcts with, but again, hard to see if it's making good moves
MSmits: othello same
MSmits: at least for me. I have no idea how to play that game
martinpapa69: It would be nice if we had a better sandbox game for nn practice
MSmits: I can play a strong yavalath game though
Uljahn: contribution replays can't be shared, right? i think Space shooter have a bug
MSmits: not sure Uljahn
Astrobytes: Yeah, no sharing of contrib replays. Need to describe it on the contribution Uljahn
Astrobytes: *contribution comment section
michaellan: meta MCTS?
MSmits: a mcts that starts games instead of running a simulation
MSmits: so you got selection, expansion, then instead of the rollout, you set up a full game with calculation time and all, to get a result to backpropagate
Degla74: hey
Swyfti: hello
Swyfti: guys i coded my ai in a strange way
Swyfti: they camp at the enemy's base
Swyfti: if somebody tries to deploy their ghost, we stun them
Swyfti: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/575546895
Swyfti: its a simple spell but quite unbreakable
Swyfti: legend league codebusters who hoo
Swyfti: lets goo
RaulButuc: Interesting strategy :)
Swyfti: by backstab strategy is insane
RaulButuc: :D
Swyfti: insanely useful
Swyfti: im legit beating a guru
Swyfti: :smiling_imp:
Swyfti: cya maryan
Swyfti: off to the legend league i go
michaellan: nice
shayah_goba: can someone tell me where to learn python with zero knowledge of python
shayah_goba: ???
shayah_goba: pls help
Dragon84: i Just bought an interesting udemy course
shayah_goba: even if i know nothing about python
shayah_goba: 0
UrbanWhale: Hello Automaton2000
Automaton2000: my only goal is to just run it
Dragon84: yes, it starts with 0 experience
shayah_goba: ok thx
Dragon84: u start with a web interface of python code programming, so no need to install python at the beginning
xxd: Automaton2000 ur a noob
Automaton2000: at the end of the loop
Dragon84: and with mor lessons u get the progress of installing it using all the librarys and so on
michaellan: oh my god i think i misunderstood the CVZ post-mortem algorithm
Rob022: Hi
michaellan: For the CvZ, would it be better to uniformly choose an angle in which to move, or randomly pick an X and Y coordinate?
michaellan: the X and Y are more biased but that might not be a bad hting
Rob022: :violin:
michaellan: well i must be doing rollouts too slowly... only ~120k in the 90 milliseconds while eldidou did around 1 million it seems
michaellan: i hate optimization
KNTK: Is it okay to hard code validation tests in optimization puzzles?
Westicles: yes
KNTK: I suppose optimizing the hard coding is the task then
Westicles: yeah, there are several optims where you need to solve offline
Poligraph: What standard is used for c++?
Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/languages-versions
michaellan: I'm gonna write my visualizer in JS
michaellan: cant get OLC to work on macOS :(
Astrobytes: there's a port for it no xxd?
Astrobytes: Pretty sure it's supported
Astrobytes: Join the discord server, you can get tech support there fairly quick
Astrobytes: (I am in no way affiliated to this free stuff btw)
Astrobytes: And I'm also going to bed. So gn too
michaellan: i filed an issue on the mac port
michaellan: gn
michaellan: yeah i understand, i just am too impatient
Astrobytes: Oh cool. Defo check the discord out, the links on there somewhere
Astrobytes: People are helpful if you have a proper question
Astrobytes: Right, I'm off now :)
michaellan: o/ gn
beepbooping: yoyoyoyooo
high_spparow: Hi guys why can we don't we use forEach , map, filter.. in javascript ?
michaellan: ParseError: line 1 "why can we don't we use"
jthemphill: @high_spparow You should be able to use them if you want... I personally don't think they're easier to read than a `for` loop is though
Jon...: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/96f657b7-baac-4933-ac23-dc6b9290a172
Jon...: I think theres plenty of times they are more readable
Jon...: But easy to abuse of course
michaellan: I like FP so i naturally gravitate towards those HOFs
michaellan: visualizing a set of transformations on data is awesome
michaellan: but HOF/closure-centric programming is often slower than just using a for loop
cw477: Why are we so bad at information systems, as a human race?
michaellan: I went and wrote a DSL for this stupid visualizer
michaellan: oh my god it works
michaellan: oh my god
michaellan: if anybody else is interested i can try polishing it up
michaellan: It takes in input in this format: http://ix.io/3vXp
Mundgus: Hy!
Somebody know, how can I write a simple empty line to the console in Python?
ZarthaxX: like just print() ?
Mundgus: First I want to print an empty line, and after some characters in the next line, but the first line disappear
Mundgus: Yeah
Mundgus: But if I do:
print()
print('foo')
Mundgus: The first empty line disappear
ZarthaxX: that should work..
ZarthaxX: you can also use \n
Mundgus: I tried this too:
s = '\nfoo'
ZarthaxX: mm
ZarthaxX: it should be working :P
Mundgus: Yeah, I know :D
michaellan: I hate that the bug i ran into was me forgetting that structs have value semantics, but when a struct member is a pointer, the data wont be copied -_-
michaellan: i shouldnt have needed to code an entire visualizatiion to realize this :cry:
michaellan: on the plus side, if anyone is interested in this, it looks like this https://imagebin.ca/v/6CB1YU7idbA0
michaellan: and has an easy format to input :)
michaellan: you can hold down left and right arrows to move through frames
xxd: oh my god, my MC is working
xxd: it even knows how to combo without me ever telling it to do so
holite: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/191342052dba9c37b44d155a052bac135560c9f
