Allison: Hmm... Why isn't 2.47255199914939E+18 smaller than 3.73890469722706E+18?
AbundantPuddle: I feel like that's a trick question...
Allison: No, serious question... I don't get it. :|
Allison: Both of them only have 14 numbers following the ., they're both E+18, so why isn't 2.47~ smaller than 3.73?
AbundantPuddle: What language are you using? How are you comparing them? What is the code that you are using to reference them?
AbundantPuddle: When dealing with very high and low numbers, different languages sometimes behave strangely.
Allison: C#, if(closestDistance < newDistance) closestDistance = newDistance
AbundantPuddle: What type of variable is closestDistance and newDistance?
Allison: Both doubles.
AbundantPuddle: Yeah, I don't see why they wouldn't compare correctly. Have you tried debugging sections of your code?
Allison: Yeah. Gonna try changing doubles to floats and see if still upsetti spaghetti...
AbundantPuddle: It's worth a shot. If it's still giving you trouble, I would make sure that those are absolutely the values those variables are getting at that point in the code.
AbundantPuddle: Oh wait, are you sure it's not a logic error?
AbundantPuddle: By the sound of the variables and assigning of the variables, aren't you checking to see if the new variablie is closer than the old one?
AbundantPuddle: if(newDistance < closestDistance) closestDistance = newDistance
Allison: ..... >.>'
AbundantPuddle: Did that help solve the problem?
Allison: *checks*
Allison: I swear I've switched it from > to <
Allison: andviceversa.
AbundantPuddle: There could be other reasons as well. Just looking at the snippet of code you gave, that's one thing that I would check.
Allison: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/5d621e0d-f749-4e41-8d5d-c0f5f10bbb60
AbundantPuddle: Something in your code is backwards because it's assigning the 5.1... over the 0 as well.
Allison: Crap, forgot to reassign closest to 999999 before running. xD
Allison: Alright, so reassigned, here are the results...
Allison: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d0a543e7-cad3-4c53-865b-748e8b5d9c6a
AbundantPuddle: Also, I'm not sure if you changed it in the code and just left it in the debug, but you still seem to be comparing closestDistance<newDistance.
Allison: Yep, I left it like that intentionally. Gonna switch it here in a second.
AbundantPuddle: How are you assigning your variables? I find it odd that when you changed the 0 to 99999, it didn't have any effect on your code.
AbundantPuddle: Which puzzle are you working on?
Allison: Defibrillators.
Allison: I'm so freaking confused at this point and may just start over and see if maybe I'm just being dumb.
AbundantPuddle: Okay, I vaguely remember that one, although I did it in Python.
AbundantPuddle: Are you assigning values to variables at multiple places in your code?
Allison: Hmmmmmmm... Possibly? Let me check something... Looking at this again.... Currently it's trying to say that there's (somehow) well over 10,000 km distance between a single º long/lat.
Allison: So something is *definitely* off there.
AbundantPuddle: Even if the values weren't assigned correctly, from the debugging code you sent me, it seems like the comparing is not performing properly either, which means it wouldn't ven matter what the values were assigned.
Allison: Yeah... I'm not sure either why it was being so dumb, but.
Allison: Fixing the error within the values did seem to fix it.
AbundantPuddle: Is it working now?
Allison: Yeah. :>
AbundantPuddle: I was just writing up a long winded message. Lol.
Allison: I forgot to replace the ',' with '.' for the locations.
AbundantPuddle: Well that's good. Glad you got it working.
AbundantPuddle: Oh yeah, that makes sense.
Allison: Probably made this more complicated than I needed to.. but.
Allison: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/aceb37e4-5a97-412f-a073-fae94e4cf5bc
AbundantPuddle: I haven't delved all that much in C# and it's been a while since I've worked in C++ or C, but your code is organized and easy to read, so it's okay in my book. Lol.
Allison: :>
AbundantPuddle: But I'm heading off. Take it easy. Good luck.
Allison: Take care, and thanks. :3
AbundantPuddle: No problem.
Bob: joy to the world
Allison: Yo.
Bob: shi ?
Allison: How's it going?
Bob: fine
Bob: last day at work before vacation :)
Bob: your code for temperatures isn't all that complicated
Allison: Temperatures? o _ o;;
MSmits: Bob talking to his imaginary friend
Bob: defibrillators
Bob: not quite awake yet
Allison: Oh. :D
Allison: Oki. :P
MSmits: grats on last day btw Bob, great feeling I know :P
Bob: you could skip storing the defibs and just process them on the fly
Allison: I was just thinking... "There's probably a much easier way to do this...."
MSmits: better tonight even
Bob: there might be more elgant ways to write it but that one's ok
Bob: and it's a good exercise
dbdr: Bob: don't forget to push breaking changes to production a few minutes before leaving
MSmits: lol
Allison: Now to just figure out this garbage.... =___=
Bob: dbdr :)
Bob: dbdr: this has become harder now that we have pull requests and controlled merge to master
Bob: I'd have to hide somewhere in a bit of obscure code
MSmits: would be easy for me, most of my code is obscure
Bob: in my previous project just anybody could commit to trunk, code review notwithstanding
Bob: and it did happen more often than not where someone would fubar some important section of code bfore going off for 3 or 4 weeks
MSmits: seems dangerous
Putnam3145: oh my god the puzzle of the week is a sudoku checker
Putnam3145: i've already written one of those!
Allison: It wasn't too hard. :>
Allison: Iunno if mine was any good, but I solved it pretty easily. ^^;;
Allison: And am super noob.
Bob: I'm pretty sure I submitted something like that as a CoC
Bob: all those years ago
MSmits: when you were young
dbdr: anyone can commit to trunk, but automated tests run, and if they fail that module is not upgraded
dbdr: so it does not affect other modules and releases
dbdr: including the tests of other modules that depend on it
MSmits: that kind of hinges on the quality of those automated tests
dbdr: sure
Bob: boy how many crappy tests have I seen
dbdr: but it scales well
Bob: in our main software, we started doing tests when the software was already 15-20 years old
dbdr: if I have good tests for my module, I don't have to worry that anyone will break my module when changing another one
MSmits: you mean the chance for catastrophic bugs grows slowly with the size of the project, when you say scales well?
Bob: needless to say, most of the tests just check that the code does what it did at the time
Bob: and many of them don't even do it correctly
dbdr: I mean behaves well when the number of modules/programmers grow
MSmits: ah right
dbdr: I can guarantee quality regardless of what other teams do
Bob: this implies people are responsible for some specific section of the code
dbdr: e.g. it's easy to have 3 great programmers, harder to have 100 good ones. so you need some mechanism to prevent mistakes from affecting everyone
dbdr: right. personally I like code ownership
dbdr: and decentralised vs centralized
dbdr: precisely because it scales
Allison: Ooofs... I'm not even sure where to start with 1D Spreadsheet... D:
MSmits: is that like when you make your excel window so small it only shows 1 row?
Allison: Easy Puzzle. :\
Allison: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/1d-spreadsheet
MSmits: ohh I seem to have solved it
dbdr: MSmits: yeah, we all love the 2D -> 1D transformation :)
Bob: make a function to compute the value of one cell
MSmits: I have a cell class and a double loop with way too many ifs, if that helps
dbdr: cell A(col * 128 + row)
Bob: which parses the content
Bob: gets the contents of the referenced cells, if any, and carries out the operation
MSmits: ah yeah dbdr, you can make anything 1D that way
MSmits: except for infinite spaces
dbdr: you can for infinite too, just not this way
Bob: a cell is basically either a value or an operation with two arguments
MSmits: right
MSmits: let's not get into that :P
Bob: and an argument is either an actual value or the value of another cell
Bob: so make a function to parse and return the value of an argument
Bob: and one to parse and return the value of one cell
dbdr: was it you MSmits who doesn't like these infinite things? :)
MSmits: nah, i just need to do some shopping. I'd like it too much
dbdr: lol
Allison: Alright.. so, going by the $x, I'm assuming I'm also going to have to store cells as well?
MSmits: ttyl :)
dbdr: just do infinite shopping once and be done with it
MSmits: will do, see you later, when the universe reboots
dbdr: *clue Futurama scene
Bob: I don't remember whether it's mandatory but it will definitely speed things up if you store the value of computed cells
Bob: so you don't have to compute them multiple times
Allis: You either need recursion or a loop that repeatedly runs until all the values have been reified.
Allis: For 1D spreadsheet.
Bob: yes the functions will recurse
Allis: *recur :P
Bob: ok :)
Allison: Wuuuut. o _o ''
Bob: the statement guarantees no cyclic references however
Allison: Oh my. xD
Bob: so you don't have to worry about infinite recursion
Allis: Right.
Bob: hmmm
Bob: I'm having an idea for a new puzzle
dbdr: 0D spreadsheet?
Allison: Plz no. xD
Allison: Now I wonder what a 3D SS would look like though... O_o
Bob: well, move to nD from 1D isn't really difficult
Bob: it's just a matter of defining and parsing a syntax for the cell coordinates
Bob: it's just like pikaptcha, if you design the first steps correctly, the next ones are super easy
Bob: apart from debugging copy-paste mistakes when changing cube faces :)
Allison: xD
Allison: Well, I got up to Backward Dependency to work, but now I'm almost at a loss...
Allison: This is kind of ebil....
Bob: hmmm not sure what could go wrong
Allison: I'm thinking... I have a few ideas, but I'm pretty sure I'd probably time it out if I did them...
Bob: the design I have suggested earlier gives few opportunities of making mistakes
Allison: I'll go back and reread. ; - ;
Allison: I'm not very smurt. Sorry.
Bob: no it's okay
Bob: consider that a cell is always operation arg1 arg2
Bob: so the function value-of-cell just parses that and you have a simple if that computes the result of the operation
Bob: and then an argument is either an actual value or a reference to another cell
Bob: so there is a function value-of-arg which returns either the value or value-of-cell(reference)
Bob: and that's pretty much it
Allison: Yeah... The issue I'm running into right now is when they're requesting data that hasn't been assigned yet because of order of loops... :\
Bob: that's where you need to keep a list of computed and not-computed-yet values
Allison: Yeah.
Allison: I'm seeing this. <3
Bob: value-of-cell starts by checking whether you do have a value for the cell
Bob: if yes, you return it
Bob: if not, you compute it, store it and return it
Bob: this is probably necessary to not timeout on the last case anyway
cg99: hello world
JBM: Password:
LeBaoHoang8A4: Hello, i'm in wood league of Spring challenge. Now i need to control 5 pacs. do they have different pacID?
Bob: yes
LeBaoHoang8A4: thanks
Bob: note that the id is unique *within a team*
Bob: so there are two pacs #0, one for you and one for the opponent
LeBaoHoang8A4: it means that all my pacs have pacID 0?
MSmits: your pacs 0,1,2,3,4
MSmits: his pacs 0,1,2,3,4
MSmits: unique within team means, all different within team
MSmits: but same as other team
MSmits: the input tells you it's your pac, so there is no problem there
LeBaoHoang8A4: ok
MSmits: you can also just error-print the input and you'll see
LeBaoHoang8A4: got it
VirtualAtom: e
VirtualAtom: (oups, sorry, wrong window)
jrke: yeah finished all paths of quest
Bob: gg
jrke: My last quest was 100 achievements out which 7 were left
jrke: i solved Rubik@ in 7 different lang ;)
Bob: you mean not all ?
LeBaoHoang8A4: Hi, how to print the MOVE of all my pacs?
Bob: on one line, separated by |
JBM: on stdout
Bob: e.g.
MOVE 0 27 11 | MOVE 1 5 3 | MOVE 2 17 6 | MOVE 3 5 9
Bob: you can add some text to be displayed after each pac's command, e.g.
MOVE 0 27 11 hello | MOVE 1 5 3 world
Bob: you can omit one pac entirely if you don't want it to move for this turn
Allison: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/36ec708f-9a4a-4355-a939-a33756e5921c
Allison: Well, that wasn't what I wanted to happen, but okay. xD
Allis: No, that won't work. If everything is solved, you hit the `continue` every time and thus `unsolved` never gets updated.
Allis: Oh, but that's correct. Then `unsolved` will be false. Sorry, I got confused by the double-negative.
Allison: Is all good. My apologies for wording it weirdly.
Allis: Easier for me personally to comprehend would be something like `done = true; foreach { if (!x.solved) done = false) }
Allison: Could just change variable names and make it more consistent. :P
Allis: Either way, you've got the right idea as far as determining when you're finished processing the cells.
Allison: There's more that's happening after that, just wasn't entirely relevant.
Allis: Yes, of course.
Allis: The part that tripped me up when I thought I had it was that the VALUE operation can take a reference rather than an immediate value, so keep an eye on that.
Allis: It's a really rewarding puzzle to solve, though, so stick with it. You got this! :)
Allison: I think I got it.
Allis: Awesome.
Allison: All test cases completed successfully. :>
Allison: Hecks yeah.
Bob: gg
HXLYTT: “Timeout: your program did not provide an input in due time. Earth was destroyed!”anyone knows how to solve this??
Allison: Your loops are taking too long to complete, either you're doing too many loops or you're stuck in an infinite loop.
DomiKo: hi
HXLYTT: oh
HXLYTT: thanks
Allison: Hi hi
jacek: ohai
DomiKo: how is morning going?
Astrobytes: My morning is like a jellyfish
Astrobytes: A bit wobbly but moving forward in a graceful fashion
Allison: xD
Allison: I like that allusion.
Allison: Going okay, how about yourself, Domi?
DomiKo: wow
DomiKo: that that phrase
DomiKo: awesome
DomiKo: my morning equals debugging physic
Astrobytes: Soul destroying?
DomiKo: kinda
DomiKo: but i'm telling myself SCB will be fun...
DomiKo: so at least I have hope :joy:
Astrobytes: SCB?
DomiKo: CSB
DomiKo: *
DomiKo: *
Astrobytes: Ah
Astrobytes: You're trying to get Legend or improve your Legend?
MSmits: CSB is ok. It's just getting the sim right is annoying
Astrobytes: Bit of a pain, yep
DomiKo: yes
DomiKo: ot
DomiKo: it's like i know what my sim should be
DomiKo: should do*
DomiKo: but he's not...
MSmits: my rank hasn't changed for over a year I think
Astrobytes: 5th?
DomiKo: not many people will try that hard
MSmits: 6th
DomiKo: i guess
MSmits: everyone above me is NN
Astrobytes: ah ok
MSmits: feels like oware :P
Astrobytes: Neuman n is NN too?
MSmits: oh
MSmits: not sure
Astrobytes: I thought he did Smitsi, could be wrong
MSmits: that would be cool
MSmits: his previous version was mm I think, but this one must be better
Astrobytes: Yeah, was a while back when I noticed he'd climbed up there, I asked him but I don't remember what he said
MSmits: oh ok
MSmits: 100 more characters of torture in cotr
MSmits: then I have all validators maually solved
MSmits: I blame the quest map
Astrobytes: Oh, I'm not a fan of CotR
MSmits: I like it, but not enough to spend time on an algorithm
MSmits: so I solve all of them manually
MSmits: the first 14 or so are easily done, the last one is 300+ characters
MSmits: so i have to type in a string of like 1500 brainfk instructions
Astrobytes: Whatever works for the quest is fine ;)
MSmits: yeah i beat the quest without the last one, but then i was ranked 361 out of 4k
MSmits: and i guess i can shave a lot of characters off that last validator if i did it manually
MSmits: unfortunately it is the entire text on the ring :P
Astrobytes: Got my quest and ditched it. Put it back on my Really Bored Emergency List. Hopefully I'll never get round to it again
fuckboiiii: hi
fuckboiiii: i love you
MSmits: will do that too, once i am done with this line
MSmits: thanks random troll
Astrobytes: 1 week later, running an offline brainfk optimiser...
Astrobytes: :P
MSmits: no no, i am going to try other things after this
Astrobytes: Good
DomiKo: oh yes I found cause of bug
fuckboiiii: Is this a dating app?
DomiKo: yes man
Astrobytes: Are you gonna play Atari Go?
DomiKo: you can date nice game
fuckboiiii: i am male
fuckboiiii: 180 cm
MSmits: not for a long time Astrobytes, it's not high on my list
fuckboiiii: good looking
MSmits: I got breakthrough before that
Astrobytes: fuckboiiii: do you have anything useful to add to the conversation? Or would you like to be kicked out?
MSmits: you have to kick yourself for bad language if you say his name
Astrobytes: Ah, the big board size putting you off of Go?
MSmits: kinda, i have no idea what to do there
MSmits: dont want to go down the go rabbit-hole
fuckboiiii: we are the world
Astrobytes: I'm just learning
fuckboiiii: I love mankind
MSmits: othello was much easier, at least to get a working bot. I just have 7 parameters and thats it
fuckboiiii: hello world
fuckboiiii: i am god
Astrobytes: Want a free ban?
MSmits: think you can kick him Astrobytes
Astrobytes: I did
MSmits: ah ok
MSmits: gj
Astrobytes: Banned
dbdr: damn, missed my chance to try my inaugurate my mod rights :D
MSmits: :(
DomiKo: close
dbdr: Astro did it by the book, warn, kick, ban
MSmits: he's a by the book kinda guy
MSmits: me too
dbdr: ah, no, kick, warn, ban
MSmits: on yavalath
MSmits: oware
dbdr: that's wrong. burn him!
MSmits: uttt
dbdr: or rather, ban ;)
MSmits: he said a bad word too
MSmits: do you see a history of mod actions dbdr?
MSmits: or are you just inferring this from the chat?:
dbdr: it's on the webchat
MSmits: oh ok
dbdr: "
fuckboiiii has been kicked by Astrobytes."
MSmits: now you said the bad word too :(
dbdr: dark gray en darker gray :)
dbdr: oh I see. I didn't even notice it I think
dbdr: what word MSmits?
MSmits: the name
MSmits: of the troll
dbdr: what name?
Allison: Oh, I didn't see any of that, I just saw him getting kicked... Assumed it was due to name.
MSmits: I've got brain
dbdr: :P
dbdr: more than me
jacek: coitusboii
MSmits: coïtus
dbdr: I think beahviour was more problematic than just the name
MSmits: the name was a nice hint
dbdr: true
MSmits: btw, what kind of algo did you use for cotr dbdr?
MSmits: ga.sa ?
MSmits: just wondering, not gonna try it myself
MSmits: ack, my handtyped solution for the last validator is so long, it's messing up the language assist colouring
MSmits: 20 more words to go
dbdr: you did it by hand???
MSmits: yeppers
MSmits: 1 more
dbdr: beam search, if I remember well
MSmits: all other validators solved
dbdr: what's wrong with you? ;)
MSmits: dunno, it's the fault of the quest map
MSmits: i was trying to get it under 6k
dbdr: I mean, why by hand
MSmits: and when i did, there was just this last validator left
dbdr: you of all people
MSmits: because I had 2 paths. To get a solution better than a handmade solution would actually require more time I think
MSmits: it's not that easy
dbdr: you need to metamcts this cotr ;)
MSmits: I can get top 50 I bet, with handmade
dbdr: probably
dbdr: not sure it takes less time though
MSmits: for me it will
dbdr: but also depends how you feel, that's fine
MSmits: I dont have a ready made solution for optimization
dbdr: true, it's different from multis, so maybe more time to get productive
dbdr: it was my first, IITC
MSmits: like ga, sa, never written a working one
dbdr: IIRC
dbdr: but beamsearch you have ;)
MSmits: sure, but i didnt even think of that
jacek: you never did GA? D:
MSmits: nope
MSmits: i was gonna do sa first, because i fully understand it
MSmits: seems easy
MSmits: but havent gotten around to that
MSmits: ga seems messy, too much to experiment with
MSmits: I like my parameter space smaller
dbdr: just ga your ga parameters
MSmits: lol
dbdr: its gas all the way down
MSmits: that's a discworld reference?
MSmits: turtles?
jacek: i was briefly hooked to swarm particle optimization but many places have different implementation detaisl
dbdr: yeah
jacek: and it also has paraemeters, so meh
Astrobytes: I did warn, kick, warn ban btw actually
dbdr: turtles
dbdr: don't know about discworld
MSmits: ah yes its not discworld
dbdr: ah, even better Astrobytes :+1: :)
MSmits: discworld does have a bunch of turtles stacked
MSmits: but not infinite
Allison: I want turtles... :O
dbdr: noob
SPDene: why did I read the "gas" in "gas all the way down" as the plural of "ga"? I think I'm coding too much!
dbdr: lol SPDene
DomiKo: MSmuts you have to try GA
Astrobytes: lol
MSmits: yeah that is a sure sigh
MSmits: sign
DomiKo: it's so much fun
dbdr: I noticed it and decided to keep it for fun
MSmits: why is it fun?
DomiKo: more parameters => more fun
MSmits: maybe i need a template to mess around with
Allison: As long as it's not LiveCode....
dbdr: a physicist might understand "gas all the way down" in a different way
dbdr: if we had one
MSmits: yea
MSmits: maybe also a intestinal physician
dbdr: which might be true cosmologically?
dbdr: yeah
SPDene: oh, so you're not talking about a parachutist who ate beans for breakfast? :P
MSmits: ah thats both
dbdr: problem is gas is not well defined I guess
MSmits: never heard a cosmologist say, gas all the way down
MSmits: and they say a lot of weird stuff
dbdr: once the pressure gets too low to make sense statitically
MSmits: density mostly
dbdr: right
MSmits: well the laws are statistical
MSmits: so timescales would just be longer
MSmits: less collisions, so takes a lot of time to get some kind of equilibrium after a disturbance
MSmits: maybe it's more a matter of how many particles you have, because if you make the space small enough, no density is going to give you working statistical physics
MSmits: and if you make it large enough and wait long enough any density > 0 works
MSmits: damnit dbdr, i need to finish my ring sentence :P
dbdr: competition happens at all levels, including distracting on chat ;)
dbdr: reminds me I need to retake #1 on CotR
MSmits: so who made us obsess over that ascii game last night?
dbdr: :innocent:
MSmits: lol
MSmits: btw, that last validator is pretty lazy. They just did the ring sentence and introduce 2 typos
Allison: Any of the easy puzzles any of you would recommend I hate myself while trying to accomplish?
MSmits: did you do the batman?
MSmits: its officially medium
MSmits: but its pretty easy
Allison: Shadows of the Knight?
MSmits: yes
Allison: I will try it.....
MSmits: it's fun
MSmits: and you get graphics
Allison: I'm bad at these.... xD
MSmits: you should do all the classic puzzles with graphics
MSmits: the skynet ones are cool too
MSmits: bit harder
MSmits: very good practice though
MSmits: for learning searches
DomiKo: is there any rule for what time you will advance to next league?
Astrobytes: is it CSB?
MSmits: probably, dont know exactly
DomiKo: yes
Astrobytes: oh no
DomiKo: long time?
Astrobytes: Yeah at least a few hours
MSmits: i remember being relieved
MSmits: ohh, i can finally sleep
MSmits: and then i woke up and was top 5 :P
DomiKo: wow
Astrobytes: mine was on a Saturday, in the summer, late afternoon/early evening
MSmits: DomiKo this was when the NN's werent here
Allison: I hate you MS. xD
DomiKo: wish me luck
MSmits: I spent 2 months after this trying to beat this 1 guy with a super minimax
MSmits: but his bot is no longer alive
DomiKo: still have some bugs
Astrobytes: ah pen
MSmits: yes :(
MSmits: he should be up there
DomiKo: legend is so big
MSmits: yeah
DomiKo: i'm wondering where i will be
DomiKo: it's the best part
MSmits: the interesting part about csb is that small differences in bot strength lead to 100% winrates
DomiKo: when advancing
DomiKo: yes
DomiKo: actualy true
MSmits: so if you're weaker than someone else, you'll probably lose everything
MSmits: at the top we had brackets of maybe 3-4 players that dont always beat one another and beat everyone below them
DomiKo: really excited
MSmits: several of those brackets, they are like whole leagues
Astrobytes: There are mini-leagues the whole way up CSB legend
DomiKo: sounds fun
MSmits: sure, it's not really my kind of game, but some parts of it are definitely fun
DomiKo: graphics is super coooll
MSmits: yeah
DomiKo: i like showing my replays to friends
Astrobytes: What are you using for CSB DomiKo?
DomiKo: GA
MSmits: btw, once you have the sim down good, you can also try bit runner 2k
Astrobytes: Cool
Astrobytes: Yeah, BR2K is awesome
DomiKo: yes i will
MSmits: never got to highest league there
Allison: I definitely don't know where to start with this one, MSmits... :\ I'm such a noob...
MSmits: you mean batman?
Astrobytes: I must get back to BR at some point
Allison: Yeah...
MSmits: you need binary search Allison
Astrobytes: Batman?
MSmits: jump to the space between the current position and the edge of the map
Astrobytes: Oh Shadows of the Knight
MSmits: so if you're at x = 3
MSmits: and the bomb is to the right and the max for x = 10
MSmits: 3 + 10/2 = 6
MSmits: you jump to x = 6
MSmits: put some parentheses in there
Allison: Hmmm... Oki.
MSmits: (3+10)/2
MSmits: do this for x and y both
MSmits: also, remember y increases downwards
MSmits: so south = higher y
Allison: Kk... Let's see if I can figure dis out. :O
MSmits: this is actually how I learned the algorithm binary search
MSmits: never heard of it before
DomiKo: never heard of "guessing the hidden number?"
MSmits: nah
MSmits: except if you mean mastermind, i knew that, but thats different
DomiKo: it's like the little game
MSmits: i know it now DomiKo
MSmits: it's how i teach binary search to students
DomiKo: lag*
MSmits: i give them batman if they're bored after finishing all other assignments
DomiKo: sometimes CG chat lag is huge for me i guess
MSmits: some of my students solved it
MSmits: yeah sometimes it is
Astrobytes: yep
Scarfield: you need to exclude as many possible cell positions as possible for each jump. you get the bombs relative postition to batman, so each time you want to go to the middle of your current not-yet-excluded cells (rows and columns)
MSmits: lagField ?
MSmits: nice explanation though
Scarfield: SlowField is soon my nick :p
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: hehe
Allison: SlowLagField? :>
Scarfield: yea i felt an explanation was better than only the process
MSmits: Allison if you cant figure out batman, you can always try other easy puzzles. It's not hard but there are easier ones. It's not my intention to discourage you
Allison: I'm not easy to discourage. :>
MSmits: good :)
Astrobytes: Excellent attitude :+1:
MSmits: me neither... I've never given up on a puzzle yet, but some did take me a day or two
Scarfield: and a tip, i didnt notice the "external ressources" links for puzzles when i started here. Before clicking solve it, there are links for the intended algorithms/approaches to thepuzzles intent
MSmits: for some reason marslander 2 was really really hard for me
Allison: If I find a task daunting within regards to programming, I either A: look up ways to do part of what I'm looking to do...
Scarfield: or
/flip
Scarfield: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Allison: B: Work on something else for a while that may have similar concepts; C: Ask someone if they may be able to assist me in understanding....
Allison: Or D: As a last resort, look at someone else's method and try to understand what they did and why.
MSmits: batman is googleable, but do that as a last resort
MSmits: i had one student plagiarizing it
MSmits: then I asked him to explain to me how the solution works :grin:
Allison: Yeah, not looking to have answers given to me unless I absolutely just can't wrap my head around it.
Allison: xD
Astrobytes: Nice. That or boiling oil would do the trick.
Allison: And he was like, "Uh... Iunno... "
MSmits: exactly
MSmits: I think it was even stupider
MSmits: I think he said something like: umm, the website didnt explain how it works
Astrobytes: That's why you need the boiling oil.
Scarfield: boiling oil?
MSmits: hmm i would have to check the teachers manual. I don't think the boiling oil is in there
Astrobytes: Torture may be illegal but hey, it works :)
Astrobytes: (I am kidding)
MSmits: lol
Scarfield: oh thought it was some expression xD
DomiKo: 97% CSB lets see how much i have to wait :joy:
Astrobytes: This is the sort of stuff my highschool teachers used to come out with
MSmits: if you have to explain that you're kidding about torture, you're in a really weird place Astrobytes
Astrobytes: LOL
Scarfield: yea UK has changed lately :p
DomiKo: 1:02 :open_mouth:
MSmits: 1 hr 2 minutes?
Astrobytes: No, not changed. Just not bothering to hide things any more Scarfield
DomiKo: yes
DomiKo: only 1H wow
MSmits: thats not bad
MSmits: i think i had to wait over 4 hrs
Astrobytes: That's not bad at all, I waited 5 or 6 hrs
DomiKo: the worst one for me was 6H
MSmits: oh... are you on an all-legend spree?
DomiKo: I'am on road to guru
dbdr: it's Legend all the way up
MSmits: ahh I see
MSmits: I was gonna say we could always use more gurus
MSmits: but we never get more gurus
Scarfield: xD
DomiKo: xD
DomiKo: personal challange to reach guru before new semester
MSmits: you're going to steal someone else's guru
DomiKo: :(
MSmits: dont you feel bad about that?
DomiKo: mayby 101 will be ok too?
MSmits: sure
MSmits: if you want to be a measly grandmaster
DomiKo: the best grandmaster?
DomiKo: is this a thing?
MSmits: thats true
Scarfield: the grandest?
DomiKo: grandgrandaster?
MSmits: https://apps.rezonux.com/codingame/
MSmits: you can use this too
MSmits: though i dont know when it was last updated
DomiKo: iam using this for multi
DomiKo: watching winrate is so useful
MSmits: thats cg stats right?
DomiKo: yes
MSmits: https://apps.rezonux.com/codingame/?user=cf4e1a99c35a5c4b9774dfd98702b03f5308692
MSmits: i added your profile id
MSmits: check where you're missing points
DomiKo: Atari is second in less missing
DomiKo: and i have 0 points
DomiKo: lol
DomiKo: i still have a lot 0points games
MSmits: yeah me too though
MSmits: I played about half
MSmits: you can be guru playing about a quarter of them I think
MSmits: contests help too
DomiKo: yea
DomiKo: i have 45K and i need 68K
MSmits: 5-6 multis
DomiKo: it's doable
MSmits: or 50 clashes and 4-5 multis
MSmits: unless you already did that
DomiKo: I'm clashing since 2018 i guess
JollyGood: hi i have a question, im new
MSmits: ohh ok, I've been clashing 2 days total, sometime early this week
JollyGood: is it OK to copy paste code from internet?
JollyGood: for any challenge
Astrobytes: No.
MSmits: well...
JollyGood: not even a part?
Astrobytes: Why would you do such a thing?
JollyGood: like, a small part
MSmits: need to make this more specific
JollyGood: no, I just wanna know
PlungeDominick: This clash's test cases are horrendous
SPDene: hmm. so somehow the width of the CG IDE has changed, such that O can only see the code window if I drag the browser over 2 monitors. clearing cookies didn't fix it. anyone seen this before?
MSmits: you can take algorithms from internet
Astrobytes: hehe, as long as you don't copy a full solution
JollyGood: yeah thats what I was asking
MSmits: adapt them
MSmits: thats fine
JollyGood: okay thanks
MSmits: but some people shared whole bots on google, thats not ok
JollyGood: uhhh
Astrobytes: Yep, you'll find new algorithms and want to apply them, so definitely do that
JollyGood: yeah, cz no point wasting time inventing an algorithm when its already there on internet right
Astrobytes: Well, you're gonna want to understand it too
JollyGood: well, yeah
Astrobytes: So you can code it by yourself in the future
DomiKo: you can invent sth for specific game
JollyGood: hmm
DomiKo: so you need to really understand what you are doing
DomiKo: and why
JollyGood: true
JollyGood: okay thanks
Astrobytes: Yup, sometimes you can adapt algorithms for specific purposes, and ... yeah what DomiKo said :)
JollyGood: got it
Scarfield: i have recoded the same search algo 3 times now for different multies. It has gotten neater and faster each time, and i learned a lot, instead of just copy pasting it. 10/10 would recommend
JollyGood: ohhh
MSmits: same
JollyGood: so you took a lot of time the first time right
DomiKo: every time
Scarfield: looked at my Bandas bot the other day, yuk :p
JollyGood: i just got my first software engineering job and, ii feel like my code is so messy, and I take a lot of time to do something when trying on my own
MSmits: however, this is most noticable when the search is a large part of your bot. Some multis have a 600 line simulation. Then it's nice to have a search ready but you'll spend more time with the sim
MSmits: board games have a simple sim, so the search takes the most time there
Scarfield: yea the first time took the longest, now i feel like i almost know it by heart :p
JollyGood: ohhh
JollyGood: so it's normal to feel like
JollyGood: I suck?
JollyGood: when trying for first time
JollyGood: i mean
Astrobytes: Of course! That happens
MSmits: isnt it always like that?
JollyGood: like i constantly have doubts T.T
JollyGood: yeah but
MSmits: with everything you learn?
JollyGood: most of the ppl around me, they do it so fast (they r more experienced than me though)
DomiKo: man
DomiKo: i still suck
JollyGood: aww
MSmits: I sucked when i got here 2 yrs ago
JollyGood: sometiems I feeel like i should change careers, I hate not knowing something
Astrobytes: Your confidence will grow the more you do it but you'll still feel like you're sucking at it sometimes
JollyGood: ahhh
MSmits: understood basic coding, no algorithms
MSmits: and physics ofc
JollyGood: so its common this feeling
JollyGood: thtas why I came here
DomiKo: yes
DomiKo: but
JollyGood: i want to impove
JollyGood: *improve
DomiKo: that is key
MSmits: good place to be
Astrobytes: 100%
DomiKo: if you want to improve you will be good
JollyGood: and it's nice to find a community like this
JollyGood: awww
DomiKo: this comunity is soooo goood
Astrobytes: Yep. You get out what you put into it.
JollyGood: I hope so too
MSmits: you do need to know a single language fairly well. Loops and conditions and all that
JollyGood: hmm
MSmits: but once you have that, you can learn the rest here
DomiKo: and then some opti trick
JollyGood: i see
DomiKo: in that language
Scarfield: and if you wanna improve, i suggest not copy pasting at all :)
JollyGood: so first I should master one language?
JollyGood: haha
MSmits: not master
JollyGood: okay then I'll try
MSmits: i havent mastered any language
MSmits: just be able to use it
JollyGood: oh :/
MSmits: the simple stuff
MSmits: i'd suggest python
DomiKo: mastering language is weird phrase
JollyGood: realllyy
MSmits: easiest if you know nothing
MSmits: if you already know a language, do that one first
JollyGood: ok so best to stick to one language first right
JollyGood: ill try python then, thanks
MSmits: at some point you'll want a fast language for some specific purposes, you can always learn one of those then
MSmits: but they are usually much harder to learn
JollyGood: ah
JollyGood: >.<
MSmits: its not needed for many things
MSmits: all puzzles can be done with python
MSmits: over half the multis also
MSmits: clashes
MSmits: etc.
MSmits: so python is fine
MSmits: i use it too
JollyGood: yeah, i saw python is most popular language out there
JollyGood: thanks all for your advice!!!
MSmits: yeah, its just not the best choice for bots that require millions of simulations per second
JollyGood: oh
JollyGood: then what is?
MSmits: but there isnt anythign like that needed for you any time soon
JollyGood: C++?
MSmits: or Rust
JollyGood: ah
MSmits: or for somewhat slower, but easier, C# or java
MSmits: or Go
JollyGood: hmm
MSmits: algorithms are almost always more important than the speed of your language
JollyGood: then it's easier to code right
MSmits: and typing a python program will generally be 3-5 times faster to do than doing the same in c++ etc.
MSmits: thats what i mean yes
JollyGood: ahhhh ok understood
MSmits: python is easy to code in
MSmits: C#/java also, but python is more beginner friendly
JollyGood: niiice
JollyGood: I'll try python
MSmits: rule of thumb, the easier it is to code in a language, the less optimized your code will be
MSmits: not a general truth, but a rule of thumb
JollyGood: i see
MSmits: but if you dont need optimized code....
JollyGood: yep, got it
PlungeDominick: or if you wanna lose shortest clashes
JollyGood: jeez, learned so much just from yall, than textbooks. thanks!!!
MSmits: np
jacek: rust eh?
PlungeDominick: rust :flushed:
MSmits: rust is just as fast as c++ isnt it?
Putnam3145: yes
TonIsHere: is lua good to learn?
Putnam3145: yes
TonIsHere: i want a sugg
TonIsHere: oh ok]
Putnam3145: well, rather, what are you planning to use it for
MSmits: is lua good to learn if you have the choice between python and lua?
Putnam3145: it's good at one thing, and EXTREMELY good at it
MSmits: whats that?
Putnam3145: and that thing is acting as an embedded scripting language
Putnam3145: it's very small and rather fast
Putnam3145: personally I've mostly only used it for, weirdly enough, memory hacking APIs
Putnam3145: like, completely disparate ones that decided to use Lua independently
Putnam3145: Bizhawk and DFHack in particular
TonIsHere: Most ppl use lua to hax
PlungeDominick: oh god
Putnam3145: i think cheat engine has support too?
Putnam3145: which is another memory hacking library
Putnam3145: or application rather
Putnam3145: I've never used it
Magus: I read that Rust is a little slower than C++, but Rust features for multithread code are so damn good that the benefit is above the performances need in many cases
Magus: but i never benchmarked anything myself between the 2 languages
Putnam3145: I actually wrote some multithreaded C++ earlier today
Putnam3145: ...and working in a sort of terrible DLL hook situation where I'm dealing with memory managed by another game engine, and if I ever try to do anything at all with any of that memory I instantly get a segfault
Magus: but for CG, since we don't have optimizations flags for many languages, i can't really say what is faster between C++ and Rust
Putnam3145: I'm using D cause I'm an obsessive with it
Magus: i think is faster since we can have the pragmas and we are one threaded
Magus: *i think C++ is faster
MSmits: i was more thinking about order of magnitude
MSmits: c++ and rust are the same in that sense
MSmits: C# and java and go are on a lower level
Magus: yes
MSmits: what other languages are on the same level with C++ and rust? Besides C ?
Magus: https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/rust-gpp.html
Allison: Alright.. Getting screwed over on Tower and above for testing things....
Magus: it seems than Rust can effectively compare to C++ in performance. I suppose some will says that C++ g++ is bad and slow, but i can't really find other sources :D
RoboStac: rust / c++ performance is basically identical these days. The biggest difference in benchmarks tends to be differences in data structures used in the standard library
MSmits: ah ok
RoboStac: (eg c++ map / unordered_map have restrictions that mean they can never be very fast)
MSmits: do you guys know other languages with comparable speed?
Magus: i don't know anything except C++/C/Rust for performances
MSmits: hmm ok, that makes Rust a lot more interesting to learn
MSmits: if there is not much alternative
RoboStac: just be prepared for pain using rust on cg as you can't force optimisation in the ide
MSmits: yeah I know =/
jacek: i have a great idea. lets turn on rust optimization in ide and turn off in submits
Putnam3145: D
jacek: and let the rusters go wtf
Putnam3145: is pretty dang fast
Putnam3145: mostly when using LDC though
MSmits: lol
Putnam3145: also if you like
Putnam3145: know how to finagle the GC
Putnam3145: which is a bit of an ordeal
Allison: MSmits, am I going to need an offset, too?
MSmits: for batman?>
Allison: Yeah.
MSmits: you need to keep track of your own position
MSmits: every time you output it
MSmits: so store your new position
MSmits: so that you can calculate the new position to jump to
MSmits: the output is not relative
MSmits: you output absolute coordinates
Scarfield: try and make a simple drawing of the process of a few turns ;)
MSmits: yeah, that helps
Allison: Oooh... wait....
MSmits: dbdr, made rank 48 with handcrafted solutions :)
MSmits: lucky guess with that top 50 :)
MSmits: 3474 total score
MSmits: that means I typed 3474 characters by hand =/
Scarfield: those poor 2 fingers :p
MSmits: hehe
MSmits: It's not actually a bad thing to do if you want to test a GA or SA, makes for a good benchmark
MSmits: or beamsearch or whatever
DomiKo: MSmits 3K chars really...
TonIsHere: hi
DomiKo: so lets the submit in legend begin!
dbdr: gz MSmits
LeBaoHoang8A4: Hello, in wood1 league in Spring challenge they say i need to control 5 pacs but why PINKY(BOSS) controls 2 pacs?
JBM: what a loser
LeBaoHoang8A4: me?
JBM: pinky
LeBaoHoang8A4: but why?
LeBaoHoang8A4: Why PINKY controls 2?
JBM: don't ask me
Schwase: lollll
LeBaoHoang8A4: HAHA
SPDene: but why shouldn't we ask you JBM? :P
RoboStac: you both have the same number at the start - 5 is the maximum
Schwase: jbm only takes responsibility for his monstrosities, not anyone else's
JBM: exactly
LeBaoHoang8A4: OH GOSH
Schwase: im doing firmware development and after 3 weeks of having v115 i received v116 to test and today i got v117 lol
Schwase: thanks for the interval testing material
Schwase: literally 2 in 2 days
Schwase: "it should be ready tomorrow"
Schwase: coders last words
LeBaoHoang8A4: But why when i test my code, PINKY has 2 pacs
LeBaoHoang8A4: RoboStac 07:31PM
you both have the same number at the start - 5 is the maximum
SPDene: I'm just guessing, but probably something to do with the number of pacs :)
LeBaoHoang8A4: you mean i can have 2 or 3?
MSmits: or 4
LeBaoHoang8A4: yep
LeBaoHoang8A4: haha
SPDene: it says "you will control up to 5 pacs" in the rules
LeBaoHoang8A4: whatever
MSmits: that's actually a wrong statement
MSmits: it should be 1 to 5
LeBaoHoang8A4: OH
MSmits: or is it 2?
SPDene: to me, thaat's what "up to 5" means
LeBaoHoang8A4: OH man, this is hard
MSmits: LeBaoHoang8A4 spring challenge is definitely not the easiest multi to pick if you're a beginner
LeBaoHoang8A4: OK
TheBarnacle: Is there any way to measure small gains on the coders-strike-back puzzle? Or is the only way to measure improvement to beat the boss?
TheBarnacle: I don't see a timer or anything
MSmits: you can count the frames
TheBarnacle: Ohhh, thank you!
MSmits: np
LeBaoHoang8A4: Hey MSmits, how can you color your letters?
MSmits: i dont, you just see it that way when your name is in the statement
MSmits: LeBaoHoang8A4
MSmits: type my name fast by starting the word and finishing with tab key
LeBaoHoang8A4: let me try
LeBaoHoang8A4: MSmits
MSmits: i see that as red
MSmits: you dont
MSmits: MSmits
Astrobytes: LeBaoHoang8A4
LeBaoHoang8A4: wow
Astrobytes: LeBaoHoang8A4
Astrobytes: LeBaoHoang8A4
MSmits: you dont see your own name in red apparently
Astrobytes: Indeed.
MSmits: if you type it
LeBaoHoang8A4: Astrobytes
MSmits: shame, i wanted to ping myself
LeBaoHoang8A4: haha
Astrobytes: Yep LeBaoHoang8A4.
LeBaoHoang8A4: when was you guys learning to code?
TheSpiffiest: 1988? :P
LeBaoHoang8A4: 2020
MSmits: I think I learned somewhat over the course of 2010-2017 by doing modding for games and learned most of the rest (which is most) here on CG
LeBaoHoang8A4: so long, i've learned for 6 months
TheSpiffiest: It's silly. I've got 30 years experience in something that takes 3 years to master.
MSmits: the yoyo?
LeBaoHoang8A4: whut?
MSmits: oh wait you're still talking about coding :P
LeBaoHoang8A4: HAHA
LeBaoHoang8A4: You guys are grown up, i don't see any people at my age
MSmits: hmm
MSmits: well half of them are trolls and they get banned :P
LeBaoHoang8A4: let me guess, you are 30?
MSmits: almost 40
MSmits: februari will be 40
MSmits: we have young players too
MSmits: many around 20 I think, students
MSmits: some younger ones too
LeBaoHoang8A4: almost 14
October i will be 14
MSmits: yeah thats young for CG, but you're not unique for sure
Astrobytes: jrke is 12 or 13
wlesavo: wow, MSmits actually quite young, i thought you close to 50th
MSmits: haha just spiritually :P
wlesavo: lol
Astrobytes: I'm 37 but feel 67
Scarfield: his avatar is not a picture of him :p
LeBaoHoang8A4: OH MAN, sorry for you
LeBaoHoang8A4: his cat
Scarfield: btw le 'stro, any news about your back?
MSmits: it's not a beheaded ca i think LeBaoHoang8A4
MSmits: cat
wlesavo: Scarfield :grinning:
MSmits: just looks that way
Astrobytes: Still waiting on bone density scan Scarfield, but I have some new medication which is helping a little bit better
MSmits: but they will do surgery for sure?
Scarfield: thats nice at least
MSmits: just a matter of time?
Astrobytes: I don't know MSmits
MSmits: hm ok
Astrobytes: The primary objective rn is to find out why I have osteoporosis at the age of 37
Scarfield: do you know its osteoporosis yet?
MSmits: oh i didnt know it was that
Scarfield: i thought you needed the density scan to be sure of that?
Astrobytes: Yes I do, but it's still the prime suspect
LeBaoHoang8A4: go to the doctor for sure
MSmits: he did
Astrobytes: LeBaoHoang8A4 I certainly have been
MSmits: he's been dealing with this for months
LeBaoHoang8A4: ok
LeBaoHoang8A4: i'm sorry
Astrobytes: No need! I'm alive :)
MSmits: Astrobytes so it wasnt caused by something you did wrong in the garden or anything, there was an underlying condition
Astrobytes: Yes MSmits
LeBaoHoang8A4: :wink:
LeBaoHoang8A4: wanna to join a clash of codw?
LeBaoHoang8A4: *code
JBM: BAN
LeBaoHoang8A4: PLEASE NO
LeBaoHoang8A4: HAHAHA
Scarfield: oof, you are new here. Clash of code is not popular among regular users ;)
LeBaoHoang8A4: yeah i know
LeBaoHoang8A4: just for fun
JBM: it's not clash of code so much as talking about it in #general
DomiKo: i will join!
LeBaoHoang8A4: OH DOMIKO
Scarfield: i have no issue with someone asking about it, but posting links can be annoying
LeBaoHoang8A4: yep
Astrobytes: Yep, send invites in PM
JBM: to that euler guy
TheSpiffiest: So one thing - when you do clash of code, share your code
TheSpiffiest: Then others can learn from you.
JBM: that part still is weird to me
TheSpiffiest: DomiKo beat me by 30 characters, but we don't know what he did. Likely map/reduce tricks
Astrobytes: Same.
Astrobytes: Not very competitive if you all see each others code
jacek: what if hes ashamed of his code
DomiKo: which clash?
jacek: as he should be
TheSpiffiest: Ha! gotta protect those imaginary points you get here? :)
Astrobytes: I solved the clashing problems by not clashing.
JBM: indeed you do
DomiKo: i have auto share option on my profile
DomiKo: dont know we it didnt work
Astrobytes: Think you gotta do it manually in clashes DomiKo
Uljahn: it works for puzzles only
DomiKo: https://pasteboard.co/JkcvSm2.png
DomiKo: so this "view code" is fake
DomiKo: good to know
jacek: you can always see your code
RoboStac: you can view it, but until you click the share button no-one else can
Astrobytes: If you click share it activates it for otheres
jacek: wait, we can choose not to share puzzle code?
DomiKo: rly?
Astrobytes: Yes jacek
Astrobytes: Yes DomiKo
DomiKo: ohhh
DomiKo: TheSpiffiest tranlate
DomiKo: to can google it
TheSpiffiest: https://pasteboard.co/JkcwrIU.png
DomiKo: now you can see it
DomiKo: i guess
TheSpiffiest: Ah, cool.
TheSpiffiest: Yeah see I had no idea that function existed.
Uljahn: which one?
TheSpiffiest: python3 - string maketrans
TheSpiffiest: But I know C, C++, Python, JAVA, Lua, C#, VB.NET, JavaScript, Ruby, R etc
DomiKo: if you want do sth in python
DomiKo: you must know one thing
TheSpiffiest: So I suck in many languages
DomiKo: there is a function for it
TheSpiffiest: but I'm not great at any
TheSpiffiest: Thank you for sharing DomiKo
TheSpiffiest: I like this site over HackerRank because it saves my code. I can solve the problem in Java, then go back and solve it in Ruby
TheSpiffiest: HackerRank you solve the problem and the code gets deleted.
TheSpiffiest: This is educational, plus I love the visualization of the robots and drone games
Astrobytes: It's a bit less dry than some other sites
DomiKo: wow
DomiKo: hard faster clash
DomiKo: math is hard
DomiKo: can i report clash?
DomiKo: or check if there is bug?
dbdr: DomiKo: there is a button to report the clash
dbdr: "I had a problem with this clash", sth like that
DomiKo: yea i see
jacek: you can give feedback
DomiKo: oh yes i will
DomiKo: clashes for fiding pattern in math problem
DomiKo: is not cool
TheSpiffiest: Interesting thing though Amazon asks you to take a test on HackerRank.com during their interview process
TheSpiffiest: and google has used https://codeforces.com/
TheSpiffiest: Although they are kind of bizarre in their interview process. You'll be given problems that you can't possibly solve.
Astrobytes: Google use leetcode too
Astrobytes: Evaluating your approach to solving the problem no doubt
TheSpiffiest: Yep. I've got interview 5 today so stuff like this is actually my homework
DomiKo: i believe that they are using only easy/medium tasks from this sites
TheSpiffiest: I feel like an idiot. I haven't done algorithms from scratch since Clinton was president.
TheSpiffiest: because - you *don't* do it by hand. You just use new LinkedList<int> and be on your way
DomiKo: if you consider LindedList as algoithms then i guess you are begginer
TheSpiffiest: Heh, I don't know what I am. I've been programming since I'm 12, and I'm 42
TheSpiffiest: it's more like at this point the terms blur together
TheSpiffiest: I've done it, but I don't recall which is called what
DomiKo: the wierd part about interviews is that you dont't really use algorithms
TheSpiffiest: depth first would or radix sort would be an algorithm and linked list a data type.
DomiKo: that you need to know
DomiKo: for them
TheSpiffiest: like what for example?
DomiKo: have you seen interview with Erichto?
DomiKo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuPSibuIKIg
DomiKo: that question is not eaasy
oetzi: no i havnt seen it
oetzi: shall i?
oetzi: *should
DomiKo: for me
DomiKo: it was interesting to watch
TheSpiffiest: Yes. I watched a ton of those.
xlr4829: js is not good for math
TheSpiffiest: The funny thing is I'm not great at math, but I ship working code and am good at leading teams.
TheSpiffiest: Oops - forgot I was in a code clash :) 7/8 and I timed out
Dlx: why are someone noob if they consider LinkList an algorithm @domino? LinkList is a perfect example of an algorithm and even part of the base libraries of most languages, so I have no idea what you are babling on about and calling others noob. That was rude!
DomiKo: i didn't sad noob
Dlx: @domiko that is
DomiKo: just a begginer
Dlx: still
DomiKo: in can of inteview in google
DomiKo: in case*
Dlx: why don't you consider linked list and implementations there of, as algorithms???
Putnam3145: linked lists are data structures
Astrobytes: Possibly because they are data structures...
SPDene: nice DomiKo. I should have had the advantage on that one (I approved it this morning), but I completely forgot how to do it!
Dlx: linked list, yes sure, but in "all" languages you have classes with supported operations, and I'm pretty sure that's what he was talking about
DomiKo: what I meant is that you need to know something more complex
DomiKo: than LinkedList
Dlx: LinkedLIst, not linked list, is a clas
DomiKo: SPDene nice bracket case
DomiKo: i didn't know about brackets and added one by one
DomiKo: a lot of testing...
Astrobytes: Dlx: I believe DomiKo was referring to the the fact that in some cases you need to know the underlying implementation of a LinkedList
Astrobytes: How to construct the data structure, which algorithms to use for insertion etc
Scarfield: and anyway he obviously didnt mean to offend, neither was Spiff offended, so.. Just keep it civil
Astrobytes: Quite. No need to jump off the deep end when we can just discuss like adults.
AntiSquid: very warm outside wow
Scarfield: xD
DomiKo: haha
Astrobytes: Yeah, it's a nice day
DomiKo: that's what happend if you clash to much
Scarfield: "And now for something comepletely different"
DomiKo: :yoy:
Scarfield: :yoyo:
SPDene: it's nearly 30C here -it's HORRIBLE
AntiSquid: ok i am slow, didn't notice any uncivil chat *confused*
SPDene: nor me
Astrobytes: I miss living in London 34-37 degree days, amazing
DomiKo: where you live now?
SPDene: yeah - that's pure torture for me. give me 10-15 any day
Astrobytes: Back home in Scotland
AntiSquid: next to the loch ness monster
Astrobytes: Quite far from Loch Ness
DomiKo: Scotland rain rain rain
Scarfield: i was smelling torches and hearing pitchforks rattle, but no need to ring the alarm :p
AntiSquid: that's basically all of UK DomiKo
Astrobytes: Yeah, we get a lot DomiKo
AntiSquid: well this area anyway
DomiKo: I was there once
DomiKo: and the felling
DomiKo: when i go to shop
DomiKo: 10 min
DomiKo: go outside
DomiKo: hmmm
Astrobytes: :D
Astrobytes: You get used to it. I hate it but you get used to it.
DomiKo: 3 min rain every 15 min
DomiKo: its weird
Scarfield: apparently you can have 4 seasons of weather in 1 day in scotland
Astrobytes: Yeah
Astrobytes: in 4 minutes or less if you're in the hills or mountains
AntiSquid: anyone heard about this? https://youtu.be/2kA0-UmNbPg?t=81
Astrobytes: Yeah some Dutch guy floated the proposal earlier this year
Astrobytes: I'm not entirely convinced
DomiKo: wait what
Scarfield: in doesnt float well.. badum ts
AntiSquid: it's a dutch thing of course you wouldn't understand
Astrobytes: Yes Scarfield, you took that to it's natural conclusion ;)
Scarfield: there is already a line somewhere, a direct train from paris to london is a thing afaik
AntiSquid: yes
AntiSquid: but that's underwater
Astrobytes: The channel tunnel
AntiSquid: wait it's that what it's called? i forgot
AntiSquid: weird name
Astrobytes: It's a tunnel under the English Channel...
Scarfield: lol, i assumed (wrongly as ever) that these were tunnels xD
AntiSquid: nah someone wants to build a massive dam
AntiSquid: worried London and other cities might flood
Allis: They should call it the Dayum Dam.
Astrobytes: We just need massive beavers to build it
AntiSquid: could genetically engineer some
Scarfield: xD
Allis: Genetically engineer some dams?
Astrobytes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castoroides
Scarfield: skips the beaver part
Astrobytes: Giant beavers
Bob: *must not get mental image*
Scarfield: must. resist. the. puns..
Astrobytes: Bob, was just waiting for that :grin:
AntiSquid: nitpicking on semantics, but some SF books have genetically engineered space ships, so ...
AntiSquid: Allison
Bob: *epic fail*
Bob: :see_no_evil:
AntiSquid: oh there's allis and allison, so if i ping allison i ping both?
Bob: there goes my weekend
Allis: AntiSquid: That wasn't the best test case.
dbdr: RustyGhostFromHell_ec10, pretty good user name, why change it? :D
Allis: But no, thankfully I didn't get pinged when your post only contained "Allison".
Allis: The power of \b.
AntiSquid: i could rename to Automaton20000 so Automaton2000 also gets pinged
Automaton2000: what league are you in?
Scarfield: you dont gent pinged like this AntiSquido
AntiSquid: oh weird
Allis: Not too weird; it probably matches the message against /\byourname\b/i or some such.
dbdr: AntiSquid
Dlx: is there a way to 'store' a clash as a favourite and replay it, or invite friends to play it???
Scarfield: if you make a private clash i think you can choose the clash, but i dont know how it works, never did it
xlr4829: i can win this time
Sooran: Hello~
Dlx: cool scarfield. will try that, thanks
Scarfield: np :)
Astrobytes: Not sure you can choose the actual clash itself, but you can choose the type and the language in a private one for sure
Putnam3145: looking at my code and realizing that what I was doing made no sense, but was working anyway
Putnam3145: baffled
Astrobytes: time for a screen break ;)
DomiKo: nashhhh
DomiKo: 222 in CSB
DomiKo: still a lot to work
Astrobytes: gg, you were 600-ish earlier on first submit right?
DomiKo: yes
DomiKo: in gold max thrust was 100
DomiKo: there is 200
Astrobytes: hehe yeah
DomiKo: my boost was 200...
OwenGaming: Hi im new to coding! :hand_splayed:
DomiKo: so i was slow as f...
DomiKo: hi man
Astrobytes: :)
DomiKo: maybe top200 right now
Astrobytes: Hi new to coding! :)
DomiKo: winrate looking good
DomiKo: :joy:
OwenGaming: yes i am and if only played the tutorial
Astrobytes: Onboarding or the pod racing?
OwenGaming: Idk what you mean im sorry
Astrobytes: The tutorials
Astrobytes: that you played
OwenGaming: onboarding
AntiSquid: just build a dam around astro, he'll stop bothering you then
Astrobytes: Cool, I would suggest continuing with the easy puzzles and ignoring Anti Squid for an easier life :P
OwenGaming: Ok i wont ignore both of you
OwenGaming: :joy:
Astrobytes: lol
DomiKo: lmao
xlr4829: oh shit here we go again
xlr4829: second place common
Astrobytes: Get first!
Dlx: is it only me who wants to complete every clash even if I loose/time out? Completeion geene I guess...
My problem is I somettimes have just a little time and want to solve som quick puzzles, and the clashes seem like the only option??? But I don't care about points/winning, only want to "force" myself to practice practice, and then I want to complete (doing Java so mostyl on bottom 50% ;) not the fastes/shortest language
Dlx: is there some other activity that is good for 10-20 minutes???
Allis: Rubik's Cube?
Dlx: chekcing :) thanks :)
Astrobytes: Sure, some of the easy (and possibly medium depending on your expertise) can be solved in 10-20 mins
Astrobytes: *puzzles I mean
Allis: Oh, sorry; I meant solving Rubik's Cube for 10-20 minutes to pass the time.
Allis: I think I misunderstood your question.
Dlx: haha :)
Dlx: I was looking hard for it ;P
Astrobytes: There are a couple of Rubik's puzzles
Allis: Well, sort of.
Astrobytes: yeah
dbdr: https://www.codingame.com/training/medium/rubik%C2%AE
Allis: That one's all math and has nothing to do with the mechanism of a Rubik's cube, though.
dbdr: rubik's cube IS math :)
Astrobytes: ^
Allis: It's definitely not.
Allis: Or, well, doesn't have to be.
Allis: I'm a speedcuber. :)
dbdr: need to fight JBM
Astrobytes: Yeah, double stream, cube vs cube
Allis: I average high 14s, so I'm not crazy-fast, but I do enjoy meeting other cubers.
dbdr: ^
dbdr: cubung with one hand, coding with the other
dbdr: *clashing
Allis: I've done that. :sweat_smile:
el19oc: I'm not allowed near anything cuboid in shape
Astrobytes: hahaha
el19oc: not since the accident...
dbdr: like the earth?
Logiman09: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
dbdr: oops, revealed myself as a cube-earther
Astrobytes: a cube-earther
Astrobytes: That's a thing now?
dbdr: why would flat and round be the only two options?
MSmits: the Earth is Tetrahedron!!!
JBM: til proven otherwise
Allis: It's a torus.
Astrobytes: Everyone knows it's a teapot
el19oc: it's a tortoise
Allis: It's toroidal tortoises all the way up.
Allis: (But also flat.)
Astrobytes: and gas all the way down
dbdr: ^
dbdr: v
dbdr: which way is down?
Allis: Thataway.
Astrobytes: Depends on your perspective
el19oc: head upward, but the other way
dbdr: trick to remember: when your hand's palms are facing down, your left hand is the one with the thumb on the right
MSmits: and your right hand is the one with the thumb on the left?
JBM: how'd you guess
MSmits: I extrapolated
dbdr: ^ genius
dbdr: never mix them up again
MSmits: it's water tight
MSmits: and airtight
DomiKo: beaten euler in CSB job done
JBM: nwo clash him
Scarfield: hmm i just put by hands on the table, and seemingly both right and left is toward myself :thinking:
MSmits: weirdly shaped table
el19oc: how do you tell your hands from your feet
dbdr: weirdly shaped self?
Astrobytes: weirdly shaped hands
MSmits: just say
MSmits: Get away from my feet
MSmits: you hands!
dbdr: maybe the space is curved
dbdr: any blackhole in the neighbourhood?
Scarfield: ---- ----
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Scarfield: lol
MSmits: why are you showing us your church layout
Scarfield: fingers pointing at each other
MSmits: seems you are sitting close to the exit
Astrobytes: In case of black holes obviously
Scarfield: hit < insted of shift when creating newline, was about to make line art to show my hands
el19oc: always ready to make a quick getaway
el19oc: I like it
Scarfield: :point_right: :point_left:
Astrobytes: Failfield
Scarfield: xD
Scarfield: like that, but palms down, pun unintended :p
MSmits: you're working real hard to tell us what your hands are doing :confused:
Scarfield: xD
MSmits: dbdr confessed to me earlier he is doing this on purpose
MSmits: so we dont break his nr 1's
MSmits: keep us busy
Astrobytes: hahaha
MSmits: remember that ascii game from last night?
MSmits: that was part of the strategy
Astrobytes: never underestimate a multitasker (pun intended)
Astrobytes: lol yeah
dbdr: what's the intended pun?
Logiman09: what is the easiest type of code for coders strike back?
MSmits: working on multis
MSmits: while being distracted by you
MSmits: that's the pun
Astrobytes: aka multi-tasker
dbdr: ah, multi
dbdr: :D
Logiman09: what is the easiest type of code for coders strike back?
dbdr: -3vel
MSmits: Logiman09 mostly we use ascii
Astrobytes: It's not the same when you have to explain it!
Astrobytes: lol MSmits
dbdr: gg, Astrobytes
dbdr: MSmits: you realize if I have to keep animating the chat, it defeats the purpose, since I can't improve either
dbdr: conclusion, you're talking to a dbdr bot
Scarfield: :O
Scarfield: its self aware
Logiman09: MSmits ascii does not apear as a choice
dbdr: no need, the chat is quite predictable
dbdr: just react to a few keywords and it's above the average level of coherence
dbdr: Logiman09: you mean programming language?
dbdr: which ones do you know?
Scarfield: Logiman09 the -3vel was actually a strat for CSB, subtract 3*vx from target x of next check point
Scarfield: same for y
Astrobytes: Though that has to be one of the greatest responses ever
MSmits: hmm what if we have always talked to the dbdr bot
dbdr: what if there is no dbdr
Logiman09: I don't know any. I have been practicing with JavaScript but I am not very good with it
MSmits: me neither
el19oc: then who made the dbdr chat bot
Scarfield: i am suspecting you have just submitted some code dbdr?
dbdr: it made itself
Scarfield: xD
dbdr: ML, obviously
dbdr: why do you think there are chat logs?
Scarfield: Cogito ergo sum
dbdr: the automatons were just earlier, more primitive attempts
dbdr: Scarfield: submitted?
Scarfield: waiting for submit to finish -> more time to distract in chat
Scarfield: or more computational power to do so, since the bot is no longer coding
Astrobytes: As the famous philosopher Cyberpunk once said: Good coder is 10% talent and 90% not being distracted by chat.
dbdr: my submits are automated too
dbdr: (true story)
Scarfield: this statement is false
Astrobytes: Thanks for letting us know.
Scarfield: testing if dbdrBot would "non sequitor"
Scarfield: i think we are safe
Astrobytes: heh
el19oc: he's learning
el19oc: pretty soon he will be indistinguishable from a real human being
dbdr: 🤯
jacek: .exec 'rm -rf /*'
AntiSquid: you can do few multis and pass wood league
AntiSquid: ah chat scroll
AntiSquid: it's like time travel
JBM: but cheaper
Putnam3145: okay so like
Putnam3145: are the leagues "fake" or something
el19oc: yes, it's all a conspiracy
Astrobytes: There are no leagues.
Putnam3145: never have been
el19oc: this whole website exists so that the dbdrbot can learn from the chat
Astrobytes: What do you mean anyway?
Astrobytes: regarding the leagues
Putnam3145: like, are they... actually indicative of real players I'm beating
SPDene: Astrobytes did you look in the sea. I heard there were 20,000 of them under there :P
Astrobytes: SPDene dear oh dear :D
Astrobytes: Well, they are all bots submitted by someone at some point Putnam3145
Putnam3145: okay the 30 minute promotion is making me suspect it's real--yeah okay
Putnam3145: sorry i just got to silver league after like... two hours?
Putnam3145: so i was like "hey wait a minute"
Astrobytes: Whether the users are still active or not... some are, some aren't
Astrobytes: Yeah there's a delay sometimes
Putnam3145: then again all the bots in bronze league seem, uh, fantastically simple
Astrobytes: They are ;)
Astrobytes: It gets harder, I assure you
el19oc: most of the competition happens in the higher leagues
Putnam3145: like i didn't see anything basic like adjusting while keeping up thrust to go in a straight line or whatever you call that
Putnam3145: newton
Astrobytes: There's not much needed for the lower leagues in CSB
Astrobytes: The input changes in gold btw
Putnam3145: oh, fun
Putnam3145: i'm using complex numbers for coordinates cause they're the only thing in this language that has built-in angles support. it's kinda silly
Scarfield: sin(), cos(), tan() ?
Putnam3145: and you can just use z.arg to get the angle of that particular complex number
Putnam3145: very helpful
Scarfield: sure, but i doubt that there are not built in sin() etc?
Putnam3145: there are
Putnam3145: just easier to use complex numbers cause i'm too cool for normal vectors or whatever
AlmostM: is there a way to turn off auto-creation of close quotes and close brackets?
Astrobytes: AlmostM Settings on the left
AlmostM: thanks!
Astrobytes: no problem
trictrac: gg Astrobytes go13x13 is for now
Astrobytes: thx trictrac, not quite there yet! should probably implement a search now
Astrobytes: well, in the next league I mean
trictrac: Your winning rate is good against the boss It will be good
Astrobytes: Just not quite consistent enough
trictrac: Sure it will be tonight
Astrobytes: Planning on it :)
Astrobytes: Nice rank btw!
AntiSquid: what game?
AntiSquid: ah that weird go variant
jacek: The Game
Putnam3145: oh wow
Putnam3145: i'm in gold league now
Putnam3145: fun fun
Astrobytes: good job Putnam3145
Putnam3145: oh, nice, you actually get checkpoints now
Putnam3145: before I was storing them as I got to them, then if it found a familiar one it'd start using that info to plan ahead more
Putnam3145: getting speed vector and angle are nice
Putnam3145: i was... also calculating those before
Putnam3145: i might've gone overkill
Hankdane: I kind of gave up on that competition, because I got some strange results when I was trying to counter drift.
AntiSquid: always some bug in the code ^
AntiSquid: easy to overlook
Putnam3145: my experience with that was
Putnam3145: terrible, terrible angle stuff
Putnam3145: negative radians are and have always been a bad idea
Putnam3145: well okay
Putnam3145: they're fine
Putnam3145: something was causing them to act super weird
Hankdane: That's what I found.
Hankdane: It looked like I successfully countered my drift, then the drift would get worse on the next 'tick'.
Hankdane: That didn't make sense.
Hankdane: I mean, I would get my angle to 0 or 1, then it would jump to 14 or so.
Hankdane: Which is fine and can happen, except it was worse than the 'normal' path (not using counter-drift logic).
Hankdane: If there was a bug in my counter-drift logic, it would make sense to get worse. Not better first, then worse.
Hankdane: It wasn't a case of over-shooting either, the angle was getting worse in the same direction, not the opposite.
Razhan13: Hi
johantenhouten: if line
johantenhouten: closet_dist
BaRNiii: hello, is ther anyoen who can help me with coders strike back ?
DomiKo: go ahead
johantenhouten: what is coders strike back?
DomiKo: I'm currenty doing it
DomiKo: ask anything
DomiKo: Bot proggraming
BaRNiii: i am stuck in the begining of the bronze
BaRNiii: how shoudl i improve my pod to beat the first level of the bronze ?
DomiKo: print x, y of next checpoint and 100 thrust?
BaRNiii: and trying to slow down before the checkpoint to avoid drift but i think it isnt good enough
DomiKo: i know there is simple strat without slowing down
DomiKo: that can reach gold
Putnam3145: slow down how much though
DomiKo: so maybe try to
DomiKo: consider current speed
DomiKo: to make drift
Putnam3145: you have to calculate speed
BaRNiii: thrust = 100 - (80 - nextCheckpointDist/100);
Putnam3145: which, like, I did to reach gold, but it's not the most trivial of things
BaRNiii: with this i slow to 20 when i reach the checkpoint isnt it ?
Putnam3145: that's probably too much
DomiKo: slowing isn't the best
Putnam3145: unless you're pre-turning, which you probably aren't
Astrobytes: there's a very trivial solution but I won't give it to you
Putnam3145: unless you're doing something weird
DomiKo: yea
DomiKo: don't give it
BaRNiii: :D
DomiKo: i have it too
Putnam3145: it's POSSIBLE, and I did it, but you don't have to
DomiKo: one liner to gold
DomiKo: but that's not fun
DomiKo: i am
DomiKo: try to maybe watch your car
DomiKo: how it's drifting
DomiKo: like when you have high speed
DomiKo: and you go in straing line to checkpoint
DomiKo: that could be not the best idea
Astrobytes: think about taking the checkpoint into consideration, relative to your velocity, and where you intend to go after
BaRNiii: what do you mean ?
BaRNiii: i dont know the next checkpoint until i reach the current
BaRNiii: i know onlt next checkpont coordinates, distance, angle, and the enemy pod cordinates
Astrobytes: Relate what I said to what DomiKo said
Andriamanitra: i guess you could remember checkpoints from first lap
Astrobytes: Yes, you can indeed
BaRNiii: i dont get it :S
Astrobytes: Take your time and watch the pods
Astrobytes: change a few variables and look at the effects
Scarfield: your pod changes direction somehow, consider what is a good point to aim at
Andriamanitra: is the ranking after submit my ranking in my current league or global?
DomiKo: league
DomiKo: you can check leaderboard for global rating
BaRNiii: should i avoid crash somehow with the other pod ?
johantenhouten: e,ee
DomiKo: no
DomiKo: nobody will do that
DomiKo: right now
DomiKo: try to do the run as fast as you can
DomiKo: image that there is no enemy
DomiKo: imagine*
BaRNiii: okay
BaRNiii: i am currently trying to figure it out how to avoid drifting away
DomiKo: drift is kinda cool
Astrobytes: USE the drift!
BaRNiii: :D
Astrobytes: Really.
BaRNiii: so should i set the next checkpoint cordinate to the right or to the left denpends on the turn for the next checkpoint
BaRNiii: ?
AntiSquid: - 2.98 * velocity
BaRNiii: thats the magic value ? :D
Illedan: Play Search Race to look more into the driving itself
Illedan: ;D
BaRNiii: where is that ?
Illedan: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/optimization/search-race
BaRNiii: thanks
Illedan: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/479680798
BaRNiii: it is turning only right
Illedan: Yeah, my car is not the best driver :P
BaRNiii: :D:D
DomiKo: Hi Illedan
Illedan: hi
DomiKo: i was trying you game
Illedan: Search Race?
DomiKo: yes
DomiKo: and i mean
DomiKo: it's really hard
Illedan: You are close though
Illedan: 98 %
DomiKo: i can easly pass all cases
DomiKo: but validators
DomiKo: ...
Illedan: Do you simulate the game?
DomiKo: so hard
DomiKo: yea
DomiKo: GA right now
Illedan: How long time are you using?
Illedan: 45 ms?
DomiKo: from 25 to 48
DomiKo: changed from submit to submit
Illedan: Use at max 35
Illedan: No idea why
DomiKo: yea i read the forum
Illedan: :+1:
DomiKo: then my % is like 90%+
Illedan: Do you save the maximal used time during a game, just to verify you never use more than 35 ms?
Illedan: If you have loops doing multiple runs before checking the time
DomiKo: hmmm
DomiKo: that could be useful
DomiKo: i will try it
Putnam3145: i'm the only person who's ever done roller coaster in D :(
JBM: gg
DomiKo: wow
DomiKo: 100% Search race
DomiKo: finally
JBM: gg
JBM: wait do i know other words?
Allison: No
JBM: oh yes, thank me
Allison: I think you're just stringing letters along in a way that looks pleasant, but you don't actually know what they mean. :P
JBM: isn't that the point?
Allison: I'm not sure... I wonder if I do the same thing sometimes.
JBM: your opinion Automaton2000?
Automaton2000: and you will see a score column
JBM: well said
Putnam3145: good lord it's absolutely convined i'm a bot
Allis: Convined?
Allis: Oh, I see. Do you mean the Clash captcha?
Putnam3145: convinced
Putnam3145: and yeah
Putnam3145: why is it getting HARDER
Allis: It ramps up the more it thinks you're a bot, which is determined by a combination of frequency (how often you're playing) and the accuracy of your answers.
Allis: I do think they should just limit it to the simple "not a bot" button for users who are clearly not bots.
ARUINY: Does anyone know where to see the original codes in STDIN?
MateusKarvat: at the upper right corner of the "test cases" box, there's a menu button. Click on it and you'll be able to see all tests
MateusKarvat: I hope that's what you were asking about
ARUINY: Thanks @MateusKarvat . But did not find a menu button at the right upper corner. I am in game The Decent.
ARUINY: Screen Shot 2020-08-01 at 10.43.33.jpg
MateusKarvat: oh, I only play Clash of Code here, so I assumed you were talking about that. can't help you otherwise, sorry
ARUINY: No worries. Thanks.
Apfeloxid: @ARUINY You can't see the tests in games like The Decent. You can print out the input after reading it though
Allison: omgishouldn'tdothiswhyamidoingthis...
Allison: Hmm... Why isn't 2.47255199914939E+18 smaller than 3.73890469722706E+18?
