cegprakash: I've fixed that major bug
KnightMoves: come for the code, stay for the drama
cegprakash: top 20 hopes still alive
ZarthaxX: there are no tshirts tho
Icebox: wait what
Icebox: no shirts this contest?
ZarthaxX: check the contest description..
Icebox: why did I even start it then :D
ZarthaxX: :)
cegprakash: don't get too attracted to things
cegprakash: unless u are top 20
BenjaminUrquhart: ofc the code I spent the past 4 hours writing performs worse than what I submitted 2 days ago
cegprakash: haha
BenjaminUrquhart: how hard could this be
BenjaminUrquhart: aaa
dbdr: BenjaminUrquhart 4 hours? try 4 days...
eulerscheZahl: not a real try-harder
BenjaminUrquhart: lemme try something and ruin everything again
Cusumi: i hope all good luck guys
BenjaminUrquhart: my old code can even do this on occasion
https://www.codingame.com/replay/467101838
thethiny: "this" winning against Lord?
thethiny: @eulerscheZahl is there a way to play out the game offline through the brutal tester logs?
thethiny: currently I have to hit Play then intercept the call and return my custom json
thethiny: that's because the webpage doesn't work offline
thethiny: gives network -1
cegprakash: clock is blinking
WINWINWIN: Yes, cegprakash top 30 yet?
BenjaminUrquhart: as expected, the thing broke everything
eulerscheZahl: i don't know, sorry
thethiny: np, thanks
WINWINWIN: Will this be made available as a multi immediately like Ocean of Code?
eulerscheZahl: probably today already
WINWINWIN: Nice! Would be most played after CSB :D
eulerscheZahl: Tron and Back to the Code have a lot of players too
WINWINWIN: 5K?
eulerscheZahl: yes
WINWINWIN: Wow, then this is only most played contest
eulerscheZahl: 5,786 CodinGamers in the Tron Battle arena
eulerscheZahl: 4,626 CodinGamers in the Back to the Code arena
eulerscheZahl: and what i don't understand:
2,702 CodinGamers in the Ultimate Tic-Tac-Toe arena
eulerscheZahl: that has never been a contest
WINWINWIN: Tic Tac toe wasn't a contest?
eulerscheZahl: nope
WINWINWIN: Maybe people just joined it as its tic tac toe :D
eulerscheZahl: was the first SDK game directly added to the multiplayer section. before everyone could upload their own
WINWINWIN: Oh, so it is the most popular community MP then?
eulerscheZahl: it was still made by codingame staff
eulerscheZahl: so not sure how to count it
BenjaminUrquhart: 3 and a half hours
BenjaminUrquhart: um
eulerscheZahl: if you don't count it, vindinium with about 300 players is the most popular
eulerscheZahl: there's a huge difference between 300 and 2.7k
BenjaminUrquhart: eulerscheZahl can you run a game against me and give me some tips
thethiny: tip: Try to win
BenjaminUrquhart: thanks
Zenoscave: ^ this
WINWINWIN: Yes, community MPs are tougher as most are based on board games
eulerscheZahl: great tip
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/467110420 you win
BenjaminUrquhart: oh kek
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/467110556
now i win
BenjaminUrquhart: thanks euler for that genius move by you
eulerscheZahl: i'm timing out in the IDE
eulerscheZahl: arena has release mode, so not an issue
WINWINWIN: C# is prone to timeouts in IDE right?
eulerscheZahl: c# and rust
thethiny: what do you mean by release mode in arena?
BenjaminUrquhart: more optimizations
Zenoscave: NO pdb or debugging symbols
eulerscheZahl: you are about to pick up both super pellets on the left but then suddenly turn around
eulerscheZahl: wait, i mean right
eulerscheZahl: the other left
BenjaminUrquhart: internal pathing conflict it seems
BenjaminUrquhart: they think they're gonna collide
eulerscheZahl: 5 players is chaotic, hard to analyze
eulerscheZahl: another timeout
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/467112126
eulerscheZahl: null 3 ms
eulerscheZahl: great idea
BenjaminUrquhart: :thinking:
BenjaminUrquhart: that's not supposed to happen but ok
BenjaminUrquhart: thanks
BenjaminUrquhart: let me try and fix those 2 things
eulerscheZahl: frame 16: why the scissors?
eulerscheZahl: you are not in danger with your paper. and you win't catch a speeding paper with a rusty scissors
thethiny: lol @benjaminuruqhart you're #418 I'm #419
eulerscheZahl: also frame 16, rock at bottom left: you speed 1 cell away from the dead end
eulerscheZahl: if you speed 1 turn later, you can use the speed more efficiently
cegprakash: last minute change: reducing my depth
BenjaminUrquhart: speed it nothing more than "spam when available"
cegprakash: I'm not happy with my simulations
BenjaminUrquhart: well thanks for your help, let's see how much I can get done
eulerscheZahl: and now tell me what i'm doing wrong
eulerscheZahl: except for IDE timeouts
Zenoscave: You're asking us mere mortals for help
Zenoscave: That's your mistake eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: i'm desperate
eulerscheZahl: i can see myself and top3 without scrolling
eulerscheZahl: but not there :(
Zenoscave: Send replay against me? don't have cgenhancer on this laptop
Zenoscave: I'll analyze
cegprakash: he'll wreck u though
cegprakash: :D
cegprakash: u sure?
Zenoscave: Fresh Eyes to see how he can wreck even more
Zenoscave: perhaps
BenjaminUrquhart: I think I found the pathing error
BenjaminUrquhart: classic off-by-one
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/467115684
thethiny: guys
thethiny: if x
returns true if x < 0?
BenjaminUrquhart: which language
thethiny: python
eulerscheZahl: if x != 0
BenjaminUrquhart: I think so
BenjaminUrquhart: cause bits are set
thethiny: oh damn
Zenoscave: eulerscheZahl do you do parity checking
thethiny: damnnnn
eulerscheZahl: parity?
eulerscheZahl: like before the real checksum was invented?
DollarAkshay: I think I might make it to legend
eulerscheZahl: speed on odd coords you mean?
DollarAkshay: Submitting Code now
eulerscheZahl: tested offline, was on par with my arena bot
Zenoscave: if (Target.IsDeadEnd() && && Target.Dist() % 2 != 0) SkipSpeed
EvModder: best of luck
Zenoscave: don't do odds. parity of dist works slightly better
Zenoscave: try that
eulerscheZahl: i think i have that
eulerscheZahl: did you see me not doing it?
Zenoscave: I think once
Zenoscave: not sur
eulerscheZahl: at least i do in direct range
eulerscheZahl: ok, let me try to extend that then...
Zenoscave: what range? <5 or < 10
eulerscheZahl: speed and next move with dist=1? => no speed
EvModder: ^ that optimizaton was causing an awful bug in my code
Zenoscave: I also saw this some.
cegprakash: my winrate is always between 50-60% so it's hard to say any bot I submit is good or bad before it cross at least 50%
EvModder: works now, but somehow i also broke my pellet heatmap
thethiny: wd benjamin
Zenoscave: Make them chase you and switch right before collision
EvModder: idk if i will get a good submit ready on time so i might just resubmit the code from last night that got to 10th
EvModder: although competition is going to be harder now =P
eulerscheZahl: legend bots do't chase
eulerscheZahl: only kill
EvModder: yes
EvModder: chasing is wasting
Zenoscave: right but if the kill is flawed or you have cooldown == 0 do they still try?
eulerscheZahl: no
Zenoscave: Ok then I've got nothing
EvModder: unless... min(my_speed - ur_speed, ur_ability_cooldown) <= dist
EvModder: then chasing makes sense ;)
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/replay/467075008
eulerscheZahl: i'm not happy with my spreading
thethiny: I fixed a value from x to x > 0
thethiny: now I win against myself by 30
eulerscheZahl: too many in the same area
eulerscheZahl: but not sure how to adjust this
eulerscheZahl: i mean without breaking everything else
Zenoscave: score exploration higher
eulerscheZahl: i don't score exploration
RustyCrown: how do you factor in the warp tunnels?
Zenoscave: Just harvest points in time range?
BenjaminUrquhart: I finally found the root of the turnarounds when getting the super pellets
BenjaminUrquhart: my function for assigning pellets to pacmen doesn't not conside enemy pacs correctly
cegprakash: I don't know if I should configure my depth based on no. of pellets in map
BenjaminUrquhart: consder*
BenjaminUrquhart: consider*
eulerscheZahl: and dist to pellets from final pos
cegprakash: for now my depth is based on game turn and pacs count
thethiny: my depth is based on alive pacs
BenjaminUrquhart: I don't have depth
BenjaminUrquhart: dab
thethiny: dab dab
DollarAkshay: Damn thats deep bro @BenjaminUrquhart
cegprakash: int customDepth[5] = { 20, 18, 16, 14, 12 };
BenjaminUrquhart: stop with your puns
BenjaminUrquhart: I'm too tired for this
thethiny: hahaha
cegprakash: that's what I use
cegprakash: 20 for 1 pac 12 for 5 pacs
eulerscheZahl: 6,6,6,5,4
cegprakash: my bot would do too worse for 6,6,6,5,4 :D :D
thethiny: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/467122375
what are the odds??
cegprakash: that's also because I don't have enemy prediction
DollarAkshay: WTF
DollarAkshay: The boss timedout ?
DollarAkshay: LMAO
thethiny: exactly
BenjaminUrquhart: thethiny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRvu0yHoHy8
thethiny: lol
DollarAkshay: 1/(2^64) are teh odds
cegprakash: DollarAkshay happens
eulerscheZahl: hm, i don't increase depth when some of my players decease
DollarAkshay: Guys will the map width size always me odd number ?
thethiny: you totally should
DollarAkshay: be*
thethiny: @Dollar yes
thethiny: for symmetrical maps
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl I do it.. u can try
DollarAkshay: Okay I think I sohuld store enemy positions based on my position on Turn 0
eulerscheZahl: about to test it
thethiny: yeah dude
thethiny: it's always like this
thethiny: they're always on your -x -1
thethiny: if you're at 0 they're at width
thethiny: 1
thethiny: -1*
DollarAkshay: yeah ill try adding that
Csipcsirip: https://www.codingame.com/replay/467123887
saelyos @42
Csipcsirip: I mean 16
cegprakash: I'm getting a bid for 350$
cegprakash: :D
eulerscheZahl: screenshot? :D
Zenoscave: who sent it?
Icebox: ceg I'll take your entire bot stock for 690$
cegprakash: https://prnt.sc/siqkxo
Zenoscave: that is sad
BenjaminUrquhart: imagine paying someone to code for them to get internet points
Icebox: he's getting real life prizes
Icebox: from his uni
eulerscheZahl: there's an internal university contest
BenjaminUrquhart: ah
thethiny: another major bug fixed
thethiny: my "escape" routine was to go into enemy pac
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/dca8cc11-0a68-4b3c-a801-1c4c6f5c5c59
eulerscheZahl: chat from yesterday
thethiny: my ratio against Lord went from 1:4 to 3:2
BenjaminUrquhart: :thinking:
BenjaminUrquhart: there are so many discord emotes I'd rather use to express myself but they don't exist here
RustyCrown: pepehands
StreetFighterLan123: pee pee
StreetFighterLan123: :eyeglasses:
BenjaminUrquhart: https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/702621598385176686.png?v=1
Zenoscave: I asked ceg if he'd give me his favorite method name for the high price of 1 cent
Zenoscave: TBD if he takes the offer
RustyCrown: idk you might be over paying
Zenoscave: probably going to say Main
BenjaminUrquhart: oh
BenjaminUrquhart: my
BenjaminUrquhart: gosh
BenjaminUrquhart: I'm so dumb
Zenoscave: Glad you can accept it BenjaminUrquhart ;)
Zenoscave: jkjk
BenjaminUrquhart: when assigning super pellets, I never checked if there was a wall...
BenjaminUrquhart: it was literally a fancy Manhattan
thethiny: hahahaha
DollarAkshay: Something weird is happening
DollarAkshay: My game_turn variable is getting incremented by 2
DollarAkshay: on the first turn
DollarAkshay: wtf
BenjaminUrquhart: eulerscheZahl it doesn't turn around anymore
https://www.codingame.com/replay/467132170
DollarAkshay: Wait a minute
DollarAkshay: Nevermind
eulerscheZahl: great BenjaminUrquhart
BenjaminUrquhart: of course, the tradeoff is it loses 8/10 of the initial matches
BenjaminUrquhart: cause why not
BenjaminUrquhart: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
cegprakash: this MangooTiere at #108 wrecking me
dbdr: let's see if i can climb back :)
eulerscheZahl: just let it be :fearful:
eulerscheZahl: arena: 67 Pacman: 79 draw: 40
smells like submit
dbdr: :D
dbdr: that 40 draw is highly suspicious, probably symmetrical matches
BenjaminUrquhart: eulerscheZahl can you rerun the game with me now that it's submitted? seed=8692787439888939000
eulerscheZahl: with my new or old bot?
BenjaminUrquhart: yes
eulerscheZahl: best answer :D
RustyCrown: god i want to sleep >_>
BenjaminUrquhart: same
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/467135584
BenjaminUrquhart: still horrible end game
BenjaminUrquhart: I had a fix for that in my trashed code but I alread explained how well that went
BenjaminUrquhart: already*
DollarAkshay: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/467137097
Can someone tell me how the Gold boss pacid:3 evades my paper pac without even seeing it ?
BenjaminUrquhart: he knows
DollarAkshay: Its almost like it has 6th sense
BenjaminUrquhart: e v e r y t h i n g
WINWINWIN: Who is the gold boss?
dbdr: DollarAkshay you can learn information without seeing a pac directly
eulerscheZahl: DollarAkshay you can check the score changes
eulerscheZahl: 0, then 2 for every opponent
eulerscheZahl: speed, double-move
DollarAkshay: Oh damn
eulerscheZahl: there's only one possible direction for such a double move
DollarAkshay: Never thought of that
eulerscheZahl: my bot does that too
DollarAkshay: Holy shit
DollarAkshay: LMAO I not reaching legend then
DollarAkshay: im*
WINWINWIN: I don't understand, how do you know the moving direction based on score change?
WINWINWIN: There are multiple directions to gain those pellets
BenjaminUrquhart: process of elimination
dbdr: not always
WINWINWIN: Hmm, so this is a tracking system to filter positions?
cegprakash: legend leaderboard is so unstable
cegprakash: lot of good bots in bottom
BenjaminUrquhart: come to gold
BenjaminUrquhart: talk about unstable
cegprakash: haha
cegprakash: no thanks
Zandy156: no kidding
BenjaminUrquhart: i might call it a night soon
BenjaminUrquhart: considering the amount of players and my placement, I think I'm pretty decent where I am
thethiny: I can beat the boss more, but I lose against my arena self more.
dbf: how long submit in legent takes to calculate now?
thethiny: What?
cegprakash: I think the problem is my seed in srand.. I'll revert my seed to old seed
DollarAkshay: use seed=69 for maximum rand luck
BenjaminUrquhart: I was about to meme about using rand but then I remembered that you GA everything
eulerscheZahl: dbf about 30min
dbf: eulerscheZahl thanks
DollarAkshay: @BenjaminUrquhart Nice Jebait
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/467145717
BenjaminUrquhart: DollarAkshay complete accident
DollarAkshay: My bot does no switching at all actually
DollarAkshay: Kinda sad
BenjaminUrquhart: there's a few edge cases in my pathfinding while speeding but it'll probably break my bot if I fix them
thethiny: that'ss what hapenning to me
thethiny: my bot performs bad when I'm fixing a huge bug
Zandy156: just make more bugs then
thethiny: that's what I did
thethiny: if True:
BenjaminUrquhart: so, here's my genius plan
BenjaminUrquhart: wait for this submit to finsh
BenjaminUrquhart: then wait for the people submitting below me to push me up
BenjaminUrquhart: not like it's enough for legend, but whatever
BenjaminUrquhart: thethiny I've really passed you now
cegprakash: seriously? changing my srand seed took me to top 30
cegprakash: what is happening
DollarAkshay: @cegprakash Did you use 69 ?
cegprakash: I use 42
DollarAkshay: GG
cegprakash: the answer to the life the universe and everything
DollarAkshay: You are unstoppable now
thethiny: @BenjaminUruqhart yes
BenjaminUrquhart: epic typo
WINWINWIN: Cegprakash should the srand seed affect anything?
DollarAkshay: Naa just luck
cegprakash: 42 is so powerful
WINWINWIN: :D
BenjaminUrquhart: also 5k players
BenjaminUrquhart: almost*
WINWINWIN: 40 more
BenjaminUrquhart: you can tell how tired I am from how I type
eulerscheZahl: let's quickly create some fake accounts :D
WINWINWIN: :D
BenjaminUrquhart: what if I submit my smurf /s
eulerscheZahl: then you have 2 bots in the arena
BenjaminUrquhart: hence the /s
eulerscheZahl: and violate a rule that isn't checked anyways
eulerscheZahl: Neumann uses a smurf too
BenjaminUrquhart: banned
WINWINWIN: What is wrong with a smurf?
thethiny: new account
thethiny: for the same person
WINWINWIN: Yes, but why is it bad?
BenjaminUrquhart: 2 entries in a contest
BenjaminUrquhart: and you're only supposed to have 1
WINWINWIN: they are not creating multiple accs to dominate a leaderboard anyway
eulerscheZahl: some did have 2 high ranked bots in the past
eulerscheZahl: e.g. RockyMullet and LuckyMullet
eulerscheZahl: to see if version 1 is better than version 2
cegprakash: will all bots submit together or submit 1 by 1 in recalc?
BenjaminUrquhart: all together
eulerscheZahl: but if everyone does that, it's a mess
eulerscheZahl: but only top100
eulerscheZahl: min(100, legendSize)
Vadasz: Hmm, and is it legal to have multi acc for testing?
WINWINWIN: Oh, so resubmit is only for top 100 in legend?
BenjaminUrquhart: all I'm hearing is I'm not included
cegprakash: I'm scared to touch anything now on my bot
eulerscheZahl: 1 account per contest
cegprakash: even scared to resubmit same bot
eulerscheZahl: for multiplayer games they are less strict, still not appreciated
BenjaminUrquhart: I have smurfs in some multis for testing purposes
BenjaminUrquhart: um
BenjaminUrquhart: breakthrough and hypersonic
eulerscheZahl: valid reason to have multiple accounts: you create your own multiplayer game and need some bots in your private arena for testing
BenjaminUrquhart: which reminds me, I have to update email addresses
WINWINWIN: What happens if you submit as the contest ends, is the submit evaluated?
VicHofs: frame 52
BenjaminUrquhart: all pending submits are finished iirc
VicHofs: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/467154138
VicHofs: pure bullshit?
DollarAkshay: @VicHofs seems like you moved only 1 square with speed
VicHofs: yep
VicHofs: 'xcept it doesn't when I replay in same conditions :upside_down:
DollarAkshay: @VicHofs your output says "MOVE 1 24 7 normal; (23, 7)"
DollarAkshay: Which sasy you moved only 1 unit
VicHofs: indeed
BenjaminUrquhart: Looks like I'm placing roughly 300th out of 5k players
BenjaminUrquhart: have fun, I need sleep
VicHofs: that's pretty good tho lol
BenjaminUrquhart: I'm not making the same mistake as UTG
BenjaminUrquhart: still salty
Gonny: haha I remember that
BenjaminUrquhart: you saw nothing
Gonny: didn't you multiply your rank by 3 or something?
DollarAkshay: I dont think we sould even consider people who are in wood 1 and 2
DollarAkshay: Probably just clikced submit on the default code and left
DollarAkshay: That would make me 200 out of 4k players
BenjaminUrquhart: Gonny I submitted the code in my IDE and I forgot it had untested code in it
Gonny: I am very annoyed. My bot from 2 days ago is much better than my new bot. So much sleep lost for nothing...
BenjaminUrquhart: literally same
Gonny: worse is I don't evenknow why, and I'm sure it's the same for you
Gonny: drives me nuts
VicHofs: I got to 2 in my league at one point
BenjaminUrquhart: only thing I changed this entire time was fixing a clearly broken pathfinding
VicHofs: 1000 rn
VicHofs: -yay-
Cappefra: Same Gonny, and it doesn't make sense to me
BenjaminUrquhart: I was top 10 for all of 5 minutes last week
Gonny: well at least we're not alone in that situation :)
DollarAkshay: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/467154668 LMAO
thethiny: The boss is timing out a lot with me
DollarAkshay: @thethiny You are the Choose one :crown:
DollarAkshay: chosen*
thethiny: XD
DollarAkshay: Gues If I implement a switch function I might go to legend
DollarAkshay: Currently #100 in gold
thethiny: nice
WINWINWIN: Wow
BenjaminUrquhart: thethiny https://www.codingame.com/replay/467149394
BenjaminUrquhart: did I already send you that, idk
Peudoki: switch has low value
Gonny: fwiw almost no one uses switch in legend, apart maybe for a guaranteed kill
Peudoki: guaranteed kill and when my pac is very afraid are the only times I use it
DollarAkshay: @BenjaminUrquhart LMAo your bot is scared of Emoji's
DollarAkshay: XD
DollarAkshay: Taht taunt from @thethiny
BenjaminUrquhart: hush
Cappefra: holy shit this submit is moving around like crazy
thethiny: I play astronomia if I'm gonna die
Cappefra: just went 520 -> 300 -> 50 -> 200
Cappefra: I shouldn't watch it, it will give me false hopes
DollarAkshay: You gotta pray to RNGesus
cegprakash: same here Cappefra
BenjaminUrquhart: I'm only moving up
BenjaminUrquhart: and I don't want to touch it
BenjaminUrquhart: not even actively submitting anymore
Peudoki: right now legend is also people spam submitting and praying to RNGesus
DollarAkshay: I went all the way to Gold #80 and dropping slowly XD
thethiny: I'm gonna submit
thethiny: :(
BenjaminUrquhart: 76 people are current submitting
thethiny: I beat my arena code
BenjaminUrquhart: cool boost my rank kthx
eulerscheZahl: 77
thethiny: everytime
BenjaminUrquhart: eulerscheZahl it's called a race condition
BenjaminUrquhart: no stop, I'm supposed to be going up, not down
dbdr: nice start eulerscheZahl
RustyCrown: i no longer have any idea what my code is doing lol
Peudoki: lol who writes code they understand, that would be weak
WINWINWIN: Exactly Peudoki
Peudoki: mine is now 1200 lines of a clusterfuck of random ideas
eulerscheZahl: i can top that with 1500 lines mess
WINWINWIN: Mine is 223 lines
WINWINWIN: :D
RustyCrown: oh my god lol
RustyCrown: how do you have so many lines
Peudoki: well just a lot of time spent for me
RustyCrown: i had like 800 at most i think
WINWINWIN: They are in legend RustyCrown :)
BenjaminUrquhart: I have 887, but that's nothing compared to my broken submit
BenjaminUrquhart: which just barely topped 1k
KnightMoves: I have 2695 lines 😅
BenjaminUrquhart: yeah ok
BenjaminUrquhart: :knife:
Peudoki: btw are you KnightMoves from the TCEC chat?
BenjaminUrquhart: MadKnight gave up?
WINWINWIN: Yes, you are probably the longest KnightMoves
RustyCrown: so your telling me more lines = higher rating?
KnightMoves: @Peudoki yeah i am
Peudoki: exactly
BenjaminUrquhart: no RustyCrown
WINWINWIN: Madknight is #637
RustyCrown: in that case brb
WINWINWIN: So Just under Silver Boss
Peudoki: nice meeting you here too
BenjaminUrquhart: :thinking:
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/467156489
DollarAkshay: Im doing a really simple change
BenjaminUrquhart: there's also this monstrosity that displays my horrible endgame search
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/467157135
DollarAkshay: I will change my pac type if it is stuck in the same position for over 5 turns
DollarAkshay: Lets see how this goes
BenjaminUrquhart: I've had that for the past forever
DollarAkshay: Currently Gold #110
SabertheLost: Wow, I found a small bug in my code :) If there is corridor from spanning the entire length of the board and no walls at the ends. My code that check what the pacman can see just keeps looping: )
Peudoki: ^^
Peudoki: not the biggest issue
SabertheLost: well it times out:)
BenjaminUrquhart: I have a seed to test for that
Peudoki: yeah but I assume maps like that are rare
DollarAkshay: @SabertheLost I remember thinking about this edge case
DollarAkshay: So i iterated only BOARD_WIDTH times
BenjaminUrquhart: fixing it make little difference for me in terms of rank, it was just annoying to time out at seemingly random times
BenjaminUrquhart: I just kept going until I came across a location that I already visited
Peudoki: I iterate max(width,height) times because I can warp both ways xD
BenjaminUrquhart: while(this.read(pair) && visible.add(pair)) {
visible.add(pair);
<add +-1 in a direction>
}
KnightMoves: what do you mean? you can't warp vertically
Peudoki: true, I just didn't realise that when I wrote that code
BenjaminUrquhart: my code can wrap vertically
Peudoki: yeah mine as well
Peudoki: they put all walls in row zero all the time so it doesn't matter
eulerscheZahl: my final cheese isn't working :cry:
BenjaminUrquhart: you didn't change your avatar to cheese
BenjaminUrquhart: that's why
eulerscheZahl: idea: if opponent starts with rock+paper, i'll do paper+paper for kill immunity
eulerscheZahl: but the switch costs too many turns already
eulerscheZahl: and now my rank is base-jumping
Peudoki: thought of that too eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: not worth it according to my local test
Csipcsirip: I still don't switch at all :
ChooJeremy: I think that might be worth it but not on the first round, large pallets too important
eulerscheZahl: also tried variations like: only if no more large pellets
kovi: euler- tried that yesterday
eulerscheZahl: and also not if more than 50% of small one harvested
eulerscheZahl: with no success i guess, kovi
kovi: yeah. switching is too costly
eulerscheZahl: that was supposed to be my final cheese, planning this for a week already
Peudoki: I never actually tried it, took the lazy route
Peudoki: if someone makes it work then I look into it ^^
kovi: i tried 4 pac switch as well
Csipcsirip: funny thing that only psyho does. dont use speed immediately with some of his pacs, to confuse opponents detection
kovi: and have speed advantage later
kovi: tried that it didnt work
kovi: (generally)
Csipcsirip: didnt have time to try out ideas like that. could spend few more weeks on this :D
Peudoki: jokes on them, I have no enemy detection anyway
eulerscheZahl: wtf
eulerscheZahl: you are in top10
BenjaminUrquhart: imagine knowing where the enemy is
eulerscheZahl: tracking the opponent allows you to avoid a lot of unnecessary paths
Peudoki: it's not that I have nothing, but nothing so fine that would get confused by off cycle speeding
Peudoki: pretty much just keeping track of the whole circle they can possibly be in
Peudoki: with no smarts to it
eulerscheZahl: ah ok
eulerscheZahl: i have that too, keeping up to 150 possible locations with history
eulerscheZahl: excluding some as i explore: there's a pellet? then the opponent wasn't there
eulerscheZahl: and i detect if all opponents speed at the same time
Peudoki: I should refine it based on the fact when I see pellets missing clearly eaten by the opponent
Peudoki: but never got to that
kovi: still no submit from karliso
Gonny: not before 9:45
ShannonNorris97: I last submitted like 10 hours ago. Is it worth submitting again even though I haven't changed anything?
Csipcsirip: ofc. submitting is fun
thethiny: hahahaha
Gonny: what league are you in?
Vadasz: :D
thethiny: you will lose your score
ShannonNorris97: I'm only in silver
Gonny: def not
ShannonNorris97: Ah I'll leave it then, wasn't sure if it'd knock me down or boost it, thanks guys
dbf: also when you submit servers are slower =>your opponents are nervous => you have more chances to win
Gonny: lolol
dbf: so don't give up and re-submit
Gonny: on CG there's a bonus on having submited a while ago because you get pushed up by other people
BenjaminUrquhart: thethinyyou can do it
thethiny: I'm timing out all of a sudden
BenjaminUrquhart: thethiny
BenjaminUrquhart: oh rip
thethiny: whenever people submit
thethiny: I time out
Gonny: BenjaminUrquhart I thought you were going to bed
Gonny: are you in bed?
BenjaminUrquhart: does it look like I keep my word
BenjaminUrquhart: that's not a good thing mind you
Gonny: remember last time! You were already going to bed and kept coding in bed
BenjaminUrquhart: I'm literally just here starting at the chat
BenjaminUrquhart: I'm not touching the code
Gonny: haha ok
BenjaminUrquhart: you can check my last submit
dbf: BenjaminUrquhart why you are not touching a code if you still can submit?
BenjaminUrquhart: because it's almost 3 in the morning
thethiny: hahahaha
Peudoki: I also coded from bed, fell asleep, when I woke up I was sure it is over as the clock showed 12 something
Peudoki: came to check my rank and magically it was 7am instead
BenjaminUrquhart: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/80ffc2db-b123-45f2-a9d3-de88bdfbd0b1
solaimanope: The clock shows 1 hour 17 minute left
Peudoki: so I had time for a last submit
BenjaminUrquhart:
Last submit
5/18/20 1:20 AM
solaimanope: So, 40 minutes before the clock?
eulerscheZahl: there are timezones...
Peudoki: where?
BenjaminUrquhart: EST here
Peudoki: CEST here
eulerscheZahl: CEST here
BenjaminUrquhart: k
BenjaminUrquhart: it's like actually day for you
solaimanope: In my timezone, clock shows it ends at 2PM
BenjaminUrquhart: 4AM
eulerscheZahl: wait, we are in the same timezone Peudoki? 8:45am?
eulerscheZahl: i thought it's 7:45 for you
Peudoki: I'm in Hungary right now because of the virus and stuff
Peudoki: I'm a uni student, and you can do it from home right now
eulerscheZahl: ah. i remember the hungary part. just wasn't aware that you moved backhome
Peudoki: yeah I don't think I mentioned it before
BenjaminUrquhart: top 10 is all C++
BenjaminUrquhart: :thinking:
Peudoki: only said that I'm Hungarian and that this site thinks I'm in the UK based on the uni I gave and that I kind of live there now
eulerscheZahl: i see java
BenjaminUrquhart: I overlooked that
eulerscheZahl: you can change your location
BenjaminUrquhart: :upside_down:
Peudoki: I'm not sure which one is proper to give in my situation
Gonny: yeah tough challenge for Pythons
Gonny: less than 10 in the top 100 I think
Peudoki: I kind of use Hungary/UK pretty randomly in these situations
eulerscheZahl: choose the right tool depending on the problem
Peudoki: so when I got UK by default I just rolled with it
BenjaminUrquhart: exactly 10 in top 100 Gonny
kovi: i expect all hungarians loose to my bot to make me top3
BenjaminUrquhart: solid plan
thethiny: all these bug fixes caused me timeout now
thethiny: RIP
Gonny: haha
BenjaminUrquhart: wait hold up
WINWINWIN: When the final rerun happens, is the code in IDE or last submit used?
eulerscheZahl: i wish you luck for top3 kovi
Peudoki: I'm losing to Csipcsirip all the time I think
BenjaminUrquhart: R4N4R4M4 OBJECTIVE C
Peudoki: at least I used to
eulerscheZahl: now that i accepted i won't make it
Peudoki: that's my Hungarian contribution
kovi: thx euler, considering ooc...well i hope for best
Csipcsirip: yes I have 100% winrate against you Peudoki
eulerscheZahl: you definitely deserve to be lucky after OoC
Gonny: what happened to Kovi in ooc?
eulerscheZahl: top4 was on par
eulerscheZahl: guess who was 1st before the rerun and 4th after
Gonny: oh damn
BenjaminUrquhart: so uh
BenjaminUrquhart: the only Objective-C submission is in legend
Peudoki: is there a rerun?
eulerscheZahl: :100:
BenjaminUrquhart: they flexing
BenjaminUrquhart: yes, top 100 get resubmitted
eulerscheZahl: top100 players get about 1000 matches each
eulerscheZahl: to stabilize the ranking
Peudoki: nice
dbf: it is sad that only top-100, not the full legend :(
eulerscheZahl: you start at your current position, no full restart
Peudoki: that's good, my AI likes strong opponents
dbf: ah, even no full restart
KnightMoves: so if you are in the top 100 at the end of the time, you are guaranteed to get a top 100 placement?
kovi: this is a game where most top likes top
eulerscheZahl: for BotG i broke my rank 40 bot on purpose
kovi: at least i had trouble in 20-40 range last days
Peudoki: makes sense kovi
eulerscheZahl: time check to only play strong in the rerun, start low
eulerscheZahl: climbed from 98 to 73 i think
kovi: lol
eulerscheZahl: the rerun isn't enough to push you to your real rank but definitely helps
dbf: why they can't do a full rerun like when league is created...
eulerscheZahl: and that's how i sacrificed a good contest rank for science
pde-bakk: how long have you legends been doing these contests/ working in this field, cus its looking like you are some serious veterans
dbf: I can help them to trunkate table 'rank' if required
Peudoki: my first contest here
dbf: truncate
Peudoki: it is a ton of fun
BenjaminUrquhart: DollarAkshay :eyes:
https://www.codingame.com/replay/467207307
eulerscheZahl: i'm competing here for almost 4 years
eulerscheZahl: and i studied comp sci and work as a programmer
BenjaminUrquhart: this marks my 1st year anniversary of competing
Peudoki: I study maths
eulerscheZahl: but this is different to the day to day job
BenjaminUrquhart: still a student
Peudoki: no work yet
Gonny: oh wow I did not know that
DollarAkshay: @BenjaminUrquhart haha yeah i just saw that replay
eulerscheZahl: but let's get to the most important question: does that cat on your pic live in UK or Hungary?
Gonny: so you do get an advantage being 20 rather than 50 at 4am
Peudoki: Hungary
cegprakash: bottom 10 in legend are very strong bots
BenjaminUrquhart: I got freaking CoIF as my first contest
eulerscheZahl: nice game
Peudoki: I rent in the UK and no pets allowed
eulerscheZahl: perfect information, sufficient depth, simple rules
Peudoki: also I probably wouldn't want one there moving all the time and stuff
eulerscheZahl: i see
Gonny: 2nd serious contest for me after UTG
eulerscheZahl: where i finished 1 above Gonny :imp:
Peudoki: it's my third year living there and moved each year so far
Gonny: haha indeed
Gonny: doing the exact same thing!
Gonny: only slightly better apparenty
Gonny: but we literally had the same core everything
Peudoki: damn my bot started losing like crazy
BenjaminUrquhart: same
Peudoki: bye bye top 10
eulerscheZahl: i wasn't really motivated for UTG. somehow the game wasn't my cup of tea
BenjaminUrquhart: and I didn't touch it
eulerscheZahl: but for this contest i was really trying
BenjaminUrquhart: it's almost like people are submitting better code
Gonny: I'm still waiting for Karliso
Peudoki: lost 10 out of last 11 games
Peudoki: he is also too tired like me
Gonny: Kovi is waiting for him more than me though
Peudoki: Karliso?
eulerscheZahl: submitted 5min before the contest ended last time. and won
karliso: still coding...
Gonny: hadn't seen him in the whole contest up to that point
thethiny: woah nice
Gonny: haha
karliso: noidea where i land
WINWINWIN: Awesome karliso
eulerscheZahl: we have no idea either, let's see :popcorn:
kovi: we have no idea where any of us land
eulerscheZahl: good point
thethiny: I fixed my bugs and yet again I perform bad
thethiny: I swear the more bugs I make the better I perform
kovi: except romka who is consistently top3
thethiny: cuz bugs ruin my pathfinding, which means my pathfinding is bad
Peudoki: to resubmit or not to resubmit
Peudoki: that is the question
eulerscheZahl: bb | !bb
Gonny: this game is too random
Peudoki: :D
WINWINWIN: Peudoki Does it make a difference for you? the top 100 has a rerun anyway
DollarAkshay: GOTTA PRAY TO RNGEsus
Peudoki: I heard I start from my position though
Peudoki: no idea how much it matters honestly
Peudoki: as I said my first competition here
eulerscheZahl: at the beginning you will quickly go up and down 5-10 ranks
solaimanope: For Gold, the current rank will be the final right?
Gonny: so if you resumbit at 3:59, chances are at 4 you're not top 100 yet, does that mean you get screwed?
eulerscheZahl: then it slowly stabilizes
Peudoki: oh okay
BenjaminUrquhart: solaimanope once all pending submits are done, yes
eulerscheZahl: but your starting position affects your opponents
eulerscheZahl: you fight your rank +-5 i think
Gonny: or do they start the rerun after all submits are done?
Gonny: so at like 4:15 or whatever it is
eulerscheZahl: after all submits are done + promotions
Peudoki: too risky to try resubmit for me I guess
cegprakash: how many games does each bot gets
Gonny: ah so you actually can submit at 3:59
eulerscheZahl: expect the rerun to start 1h after the official end of the contest
cegprakash: will it be ladder based or random opponents?
eulerscheZahl: your first rerun cegprakash?
eulerscheZahl: thank god they don't do that best of 5 on rerun anymore
cegprakash: I never been awake for rerun
eulerscheZahl: oh, it's in the night for you?
dbf: in highloadcup they had rerun for several days
dbf: as a result - a lot of people have lost interest :)
eulerscheZahl: topcoder takes weeks
Gonny: weeks is a little over the top
eulerscheZahl: for only 80 participants
jrke: anybody suggestion to pass silver plz
BenjaminUrquhart: win more games
DollarAkshay: Avoid All bots
sas4eka: jrke collect pellets as hard as you can
DollarAkshay: use speed ASAP
DollarAkshay: ignore switching
BenjaminUrquhart: also Gonny I left my coding setup, so now I can't code anymore or be tempted to
jrke: i am using speed and switch both
DollarAkshay: I was able to get out of silver with simple dfs heuristic
Gonny: good call BenjaminUrquhart
eulerscheZahl: i'm desperately changing magic constats
DollarAkshay: and JUST SPEED
BenjaminUrquhart: I A M S P E E D
BenjaminUrquhart: Automaton200 tell this man how to win
BenjaminUrquhart: sam
BenjaminUrquhart: same
BenjaminUrquhart: Automaton2000 tell this man how to win
Automaton2000: but i just like the challenge, but if i had a similar issue
solaimanope: I am finishing one more contest in Gold. Legend is too tough for me :(
kovi: karliso submit
DollarAkshay: @solaimanope Same :(
jrke: hey i am using speed and switch then why my rank
BenjaminUrquhart: the only multi I think I have legend in is CSB
karliso: need to test some versions no idea
BenjaminUrquhart: jrke try using only speed
jrke: K
DollarAkshay: @jrke are you avoiding enemy bots ?
jrke: hey if ability cooldown is 0 then i check if switch is needed then i switch else speed
DollarAkshay: You dont need switch if you are avoiding enemy bots
morning_cloud: looks like silver depends more on optimal pellet eating than any other strategy... Any tips on optimising pellet eating for higher score :sweat_smile:
BenjaminUrquhart: mad dash for super pellets
DollarAkshay: @morning_cloud What stratergy are you using now ?
eulerscheZahl: even legend is about eating pellets as fast as you can
BenjaminUrquhart: assume every space has a pellet until proven otherwise
eulerscheZahl: no fighting
BenjaminUrquhart: euler I really want to remove switching from my bot now
BenjaminUrquhart: good thing I can't code
eulerscheZahl: :D
DollarAkshay: @admin WHen is next contest ? :P
kovi: actually i tried few hours ago
eulerscheZahl: i guess opponents in legend behave differently
kovi: but it didnt make it to the top
morning_cloud: @DollarAkshay first go for capsules, then the nearest pellet visible, I also keep track of previous pellets seen by any of my bots so they would go to them if no visible pellets are around
eulerscheZahl: we don't attack if it's not a certain kill. so just having cooldown=0 is enough to defend
dbdr: bottom legen also behaves differently from top legend
DollarAkshay: @morning_cloud You know DFS ?
BenjaminUrquhart: I assume every empty space has a pellet until proven wrong
morning_cloud: yes
eulerscheZahl: i lose a lot against the bottom
eulerscheZahl: always making it hard to climb
DollarAkshay: Try running a DFS of depth 10 to find the rount which yeids the highest score
dbdr: same
kovi: except...when you learn enemy behaviour
Csipcsirip: same
kovi: which i didnt had time to implement
BenjaminUrquhart: ceg already said bottom legend is underrated
BenjaminUrquhart: DollarAkshay I'm still using closest pellet :P
dbdr: that's not an easy one kovi. and the game is not very long to learn, if there are few opportunities in each
kovi: for halite...i have added learning
DollarAkshay: @BenjaminUrquhart You what ? :scream:
morning_cloud: @dollarAkshay ah right that's a good one :thumbsup:
BenjaminUrquhart: closest pellet gang
kovi: true. too few interactions
jrke: is BFS needed for silver
BenjaminUrquhart: some sort of search is needed
BenjaminUrquhart: oh MadKnight arrived in gold
BenjaminUrquhart: and idk where struct went
dbdr: had 4 games running at once in my submit
BenjaminUrquhart: is that a good thing
dbdr: I guess it's busy time :D
DollarAkshay: Gold is so weird. I loose to bots bwtween #450-#512 but do so well against #200-#300
DollarAkshay: Weird
BenjaminUrquhart: 139 computing
BenjaminUrquhart: DollarAkshay leaderboards have been unstable since bronze
jrke: when is next contest :thinking:
BenjaminUrquhart: at most 6 months from now
jrke: what!!!!!
tomatoes: same code +/- 200 positions fluctuations :rolling_eyes:
jrke: 6 months
BenjaminUrquhart: welcome to the club tomatoes
jrke: tomatoes same here
DollarAkshay: @tomatoes Yeah I understand you
eulerscheZahl: join legend. with less than 200 players you can't fluctuate that much :)
BenjaminUrquhart: hush
jrke: is there any other website with currently ongoing contest or coming soon
Cappefra: thanks for the tip euler
NickStahl: Can we expect some blogs/forum posts from various people explaining how they did things after the contest?
I'm pretty motivated to learn something proper than doing heuristics and it helps to hear some other peoples thought processes.
BenjaminUrquhart: where's that site with all the contest listings
DollarAkshay: I have a 16-4 streak agaisnt bots raked ~300 but i loose more than 50% againt bottom gold bots
Cappefra: :angry:
tomatoes: you may try old contests here
DollarAkshay: The solution is to submit your code and leave it
BenjaminUrquhart: NickStahl yes
BenjaminUrquhart: there should be a forum feedback thread created shortly after the contest ends
BenjaminUrquhart: that's where postmortems go
NickStahl: BenjaminUrquhart tx. Will look into it.
DollarAkshay: 10 losses in a row
NickStahl: Writing spaghetti and not even getting too gold is getting old :)
DollarAkshay: yaaayyyyy
BenjaminUrquhart: so 10 people joined for the last hour of the contest
jrke: 36 min left
zarif98sjs: How will the final rank be calculated ?
eulerscheZahl: for gold and below: all pending submits will finish, then it's final
jrke: there will be mega run for top 100 of nearly 1000 matches
eulerscheZahl: for top100 in legend: about 1000 extra matches per player to stabilize
Cappefra: wait what
Cappefra: I thought I had time to submit another one
DollarAkshay: Winning streak lets gooooooo
Cappefra: this one sucks
BenjaminUrquhart: who wants to promote in csb
BenjaminUrquhart: you technically do Cappefra
eulerscheZahl: you can still promote after the contest ends
Peudoki: you still have more than half an hour
eulerscheZahl: if your pending submit is good enough
Cappefra: but you're talking about when the timer ends right? not like right now
Peudoki: exactly
eulerscheZahl: and later (probably today already) the game will return to the multiplayer section. no prizes, infinite time
Cappefra: ok ok
Peudoki: we're all here for those sweet prizes obviously
BenjaminUrquhart: not me
BenjaminUrquhart: clearly
Peudoki: not because it's fun
jrke: lets do voting who will win the contest
eulerscheZahl: my only motivation. i hate keyboards
Peudoki: I vote for kovi, he was the leader for so long
Csipcsirip: how do you type then ?
DollarAkshay: Oh an ew leaderboard is out
eulerscheZahl: but i want that curved monitor to look at powerpoint presentations
BenjaminUrquhart: speech to text
DollarAkshay: Top schools and companies
jrke: curved monitor to kovi or euler
thethiny: submit time
thethiny: I'm not gonna recover from this
BenjaminUrquhart: nope
BenjaminUrquhart: don't be like me
NickStahl: eulerscheZahl What kind of programming do you do at Siemens?
thethiny: I am beating Lord Betrayus 5-1
thethiny: and myself 4-1
BenjaminUrquhart: means nothing
thethiny: why
eulerscheZahl: internal software
thethiny: lord betrayus keeps timing out
thethiny: why
BenjaminUrquhart: I can beat the boss and myself regularly, but I can't beat the stupid people in 500th place
Cappefra: same as Benjamin
thethiny: lol
Csipcsirip: do you know the hungarian company evosoft ?
Nerchio: same guys same :p
thethiny: I'm gonna battle #2 then
NickStahl: web or no-web?
thethiny: and see
eulerscheZahl: from analysis of electric streamlines for safety evaluation to a web project to administrate a list of materials
kovi: csipcsirip, are you from BME?
BenjaminUrquhart: ok why is my rank dropping
thethiny: I can beat him easily
BenjaminUrquhart: smh
NickStahl: ah both :)
thethiny: submitted
Csipcsirip: nah, Széchenyi
eulerscheZahl: and boring stuff like "i have data in excel, want to feed into another program that only understands XML"
BenjaminUrquhart: so you have chosen... death
kovi: too bad, we are all from different uni
Peudoki: I'm from ELTE
eulerscheZahl: mostly windows desktop
thethiny: hahahahaahahahahaha worst idea ever
Peudoki: well from LSE now, but ELTE before that
aCat: with the submit?
thethiny: I lost all the matches
NickStahl: winforms? :)
aCat: :/
eulerscheZahl: win forms, wpf
DollarAkshay: The top 10 people in legend should form a fake company to get topp 100 company award lol
thethiny: hahahaha
BenjaminUrquhart: but like
BenjaminUrquhart: no
BenjaminUrquhart: I'm pretty sure that's banned
aCat: 1st company all top 100 ;]
BenjaminUrquhart: on a side note, my school isn't even on the leaderboard cause I'm the only one out of 3 people talking it seriously :P
aCat: but we got our uni fair :D
DollarAkshay: All gold boys in one company ?
DollarAkshay: Gold .inc
NickStahl: I guess I understand the need to look at powerpoint presentations then... probably from managers :)
DollarAkshay: XD
thethiny: my old submit wins against #500 people
my new submit wins against #100 people
thethiny: why is the world like this
BenjaminUrquhart: because
eulerscheZahl: as you guys liked my stats on the last contest ( https://eulerschezahl.github.io/OceanOfCode/ooc_stats.html ), here's one for this contest: https://imgur.com/a/9BZx2wE
thethiny: now I'm 571
Peudoki: this game is 100% random
thethiny: I was 400
thethiny: brb cry in the corner
Peudoki: we're just better at pretending to be good at it
BenjaminUrquhart: there's still 2.5k people in bronze
BenjaminUrquhart: why is bronze always cursed
SabertheLost: if this game was 100% random then you would not stay within 100 spots of your current position
aCat: euler the image is great
DollarAkshay: @eulerscheZahl :clap_tone1::clap_tone1::clap_tone1::clap_tone1::clap_tone1::clap_tone1:
WINWINWIN: :D
thethiny: @BenjaminUruqhart that's when the final rules are set
thethiny: pretty much Silver is nothing
NickStahl: :)
dbdr: eulerscheZahl lol. I was wondering if you had found any interesting stats
NickStahl: I should have seen that chart a few days ago, now it's to late to change my code :D
Cappefra: there, resubmitting my old buggy boss which does better everytime
aCat: he had :D
eulerscheZahl: no, i'm just trolling :D
Peudoki: eulerscheZahl I need you to claim 8th place from me
thethiny: @everyone do not submit anymore
thethiny: you'll slowly die inside
Peudoki: I'll hold on to your 7th
BenjaminUrquhart: watch me /s
dbdr: I considered making stats if people rather switch or counter, but never got to it. did not seem critical
thethiny: your loss tbh
BenjaminUrquhart: 174 computing
BenjaminUrquhart: madlads
eulerscheZahl: aagreed. didn't seem worth to collect stats
thethiny: 173 computing in total
eulerscheZahl: but pb4 asked for some winrates for his alternative ranking
MSmits: wow what happened in the night, went from 30-40 to 83
eulerscheZahl: good thing: i only have to look at last battles, not download all of them
MSmits: I just resubmitted, hopefully not making it worse
BenjaminUrquhart: leaderboard happened
BenjaminUrquhart: oh you probably made it worse
thethiny: I keep saying #2 in my last battles
thethiny: seeing*
dbdr: MSmits same code?
MSmits: yes
dbdr: why?
eulerscheZahl: MSmits i was down to 20 too. pulled down, now back to 7 with little modifications
thethiny: @Euler after the tournament is over can you share your code please
MSmits: dbdr better start point
BenjaminUrquhart: why would he do that
thethiny: so we can learn
dbdr: or worse
BenjaminUrquhart: but
BenjaminUrquhart: copy-paste
eulerscheZahl: i would like to share my code. sadly there are some copycats
MSmits: yes
MSmits: but 83 is waaaaaayy lower than anywhere i got before
MSmits: but yeah, might be worse
MSmits: gamble
thethiny: Will the same tournament repeat?
eulerscheZahl: so there are some players willing to learn. and others claiming a top rank without even looking at it
thethiny: or they never do?
Peudoki: I can share my code so people learn how not to code
BenjaminUrquhart: they don't repeat
dbdr: sure, worth it MSmits. it seems you did not invest that much into this one anyways
thethiny: then what's wrong with sharing code then, I don't seem to understand
Cappefra: it'd be cool if the submit history kept track of the end-positioning
MSmits: I did until around wednesday
Cappefra: I hope I resubmitted the right one
Adnmaster: aaaa 23 min left!!
DollarAkshay: Can top 100 in gold please resubmit ? Thanks
MSmits: everythng stopped working after monday
MSmits: i mostly failed though, it's not like i didnt try
BenjaminUrquhart: DollarAkshay just get the boss to resubmit
BenjaminUrquhart: easy
thethiny: lmao
thethiny: I can't believe all my bug fixes were for nothing
thethiny: who knew bugs make things work
BenjaminUrquhart: that happens every contest
BenjaminUrquhart: every
BenjaminUrquhart: time
dbdr: MSmits what did you try to improve?
thethiny: today morning I was like I won't touch this
thethiny: now I did and look at my go down :(
thethiny: @Lanfeust you need to resubmit
thethiny: you may win
MSmits: after monday, mostly predicting opponents, avoiding dead ends, hardcoding supperpellet targeting and some smaller things
dbdr: I also failed to improve search. I went back to tracking, but only in the last hours
zarif98sjs: How often does this type of challenge happen in here ?
MSmits: at least twice a year
MSmits: at most 5 i think
BenjaminUrquhart: in other words, not often enough
MSmits: often enough fo rme
thethiny: what is coder strikes back btw?
MSmits: ex-contest multiplayer arena open all year
BenjaminUrquhart: the onboarding for multis
dbdr: the nice thing with tracking is, if you deduct true information, it is almost sure to help
MSmits: like other arenas
MSmits: I did improve tracking
dbdr: for search, it's much more uncertain what will work or not
dbdr: and harder to reason about
MSmits: I wrote a function that calculates the mandatory cells travelled between the last position of an opponent pac and the new position
MSmits: it takes into account all the pellets that were seen on that path (and thus not travelled) and all the places the pac was not seen on specific turns
dbdr: I have that too, also supporting split paths
dbdr: but only if they went straight enough
BenjaminUrquhart: I just get the shortest path between opponent and previous position and remove pellets
MSmits: yes
BenjaminUrquhart: split paths are arbitrary though and I don't take into account how long they were gone fore
MSmits: dbdr did you also do backwards elimination for pellets
BenjaminUrquhart: for*
dbdr: why do you mean by that?
Adnmaster: is it allowed to use neural networks and train our pac to play?
MSmits: so if you see a pellet on turn 30, you know it was alive on turn 20 and an opponent cant have passed through it on turn 20
BenjaminUrquhart: Adnmaster yes
dbdr: it's on my todo list :D
MSmits: ah, thats one of the things that i did
BenjaminUrquhart: keep in mind there are no NN libraries available so you'll have to roll your own
dbdr: nice
MSmits: the thing is, i never saw improvement form it
MSmits: and that was true for anything i wrote
MSmits: You lose motivation
MSmits: I did test and it worked
MSmits: btw, rank 39 now at 30%
dbdr: you search using MC right?
MSmits: yes, the search is the one thing thats good about my bot
MSmits: it lacks too many heuristic stuff to deal with RPS and superpellets though
Gonny: MSmits I've been doing the exact same thing
MSmits: exact like what?
Gonny: keep coming up with super smart ways to get more info but it just seems to be useless
MSmits: ahh ok yes
dbdr: I removed my specialized superpellet rusher to let the search find them
dbdr: was better by deleting code :)
MSmits: both ways seemed to work equally well dbdr
MSmits: hardcoding and let search find them
MSmits: i think my hardcoding was just bad
MSmits: i just let them go for closest superpellet
MSmits: way too simple
dbdr: it was bettere for me because my rusher was ignoring things like enemies, or better path to get there
Gonny: yeah I don't have a super pallet allocator either
dbdr: it was very early legacy code
Gonny: I just hope they are close enough to be in my depth, which is not too great
BenjaminUrquhart: dbdr my rusher only finds the closest super pellets, my search does all the heavy lifting
MSmits: I could get my depth up real high and still find great paths, provided my opponent doesnt move
MSmits: depth 12 easily... search was very strong
MSmits: but without opponent prediction its useless
dbdr: i search depth 15
MSmits: wow nice
DollarAkshay: Yeah same here
MSmits: wait
DollarAkshay: 15 on python
MSmits: when you say depth 15 you mean 15 cells?
MSmits: or 15 turns?
DollarAkshay: 15 cells
thethiny: I accidentally pressed submit again
Gonny: same
thethiny: kill me
MSmits: I could easily search 12 turns
BenjaminUrquhart: thethiny you're doomed
MSmits: that includes speed
BenjaminUrquhart: 12 minutes left
dbdr: hm, depends on which version. but for the current one, 15 cells
thethiny: yeah...
BenjaminUrquhart: looks like I'm landing just above 300
MSmits: ah then mine could go deeper, but as i said, its pointless, because opponent will stroll in and ruin your path
LunaBread: is there any redo functionality in the ide
BenjaminUrquhart: LunaBread define redo
DollarAkshay: @thethiny For you : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4n1h1uig6E
DollarAkshay: :P
chokudai: I need more time! X(
dbdr: well, my search includes the opponent
LunaBread: I CRTL Z some stuff and now I want to redo it
thethiny: 😂😂
BenjaminUrquhart: shift-ctrl-z
MSmits: mine doesnt, well I floodfilled him and adjusted score
BenjaminUrquhart: standard
thethiny: @Doju i', mext tp ypi
MSmits: if an opponent could get somewhere before me, the pellet would be worth less
ChooJeremy: I thought ctrl-y is the standard?
dbdr: ok, that's what I mean too
BenjaminUrquhart: chokudai we all need more time
ChooJeremy: for redo
BenjaminUrquhart: I mean
Gonny: MSmits I have that too but only for the first few turns
BenjaminUrquhart: works for me across multiple platforms
dbdr: I did try really simulating opponents, with some interesting results, but finally never switched to it
Gonny: I mean next few turns
pde-bakk: do i have to resubmit or will it happen automatically? Also I made some small anti-timeout changes but my score is currently computing, can I just click Submit again now?
Gonny: did not really see a difference tbh
Gonny: like most of the things I added
MSmits: Gonny its hard to say what way works best... i never saw a difference from it either
BenjaminUrquhart: pde-bakk you can submit whenever before contest ends
MSmits: dbdr my live version does have real opponent prediction
MSmits: it guesses where opponents can go with some assumptions
pde-bakk: will scores automatically be recalculated at the end?
MSmits: so i can avoid getting killed mostly
dbdr: yay 4/10 HU flags in top 10 right now :flag_hu:
MSmits: but its not very good and i still die a lot
BenjaminUrquhart: pde-bakk top 100 get recomputations
pde-bakk: ah cool thanks dude
thethiny: recomputations for what?
BenjaminUrquhart: everyone else is frozen once their submits end (if any)
DollarAkshay: Imagine being top 5 in GOLD
MSmits: seems my proper rank is 35-55
MSmits: so resubmit from 83 was a good idea
MSmits: someone chainsubmitted and pulled me down last night i think
aCat: I'm top 5 in gold ;p
aCat: but won't dare to resubmit :P
BenjaminUrquhart: we had 3 people promote to gold
BenjaminUrquhart: cool
Cappefra: maybe to eliminate some of the randomness, the ranking algorithm should take account of the points difference rather than just a win-lose
dbdr: wait until the rerun for your real rank MSmits. could be even better ;)
RoboStac: Cappefra - that'd be much more random
thethiny: my new submit looking good wut
DollarAkshay: chants: " RESUBMIT...RESUBMIT...RESUBMIT...RESUBMIT..."
thethiny: what happens if im computing and the time isn't up?
BenjaminUrquhart: welp, my rank got decimated
BenjaminUrquhart: reee
MSmits: I'm hoping for <50 but it's ok. I'm just glad it's over. Not blaming the game or creators btw. Just did not have much success.
thethiny: then it becomes up
BenjaminUrquhart: it finishes
dbdr: aCat why not? at least you'd get a last change ;)
Cappefra: @RoboStac you think? most time you lose against a weak bot it doesn't destroy you, it just wins by a slight margin
thethiny: you mean it continues or halts
BenjaminUrquhart: continues
thethiny: okay cool
aCat: I'm afraid I can go much lower
dbdr: does it matter much though?
MSmits: anyway, i have some work to do. Busy day. all the stuff I postponed due to contest :)
aCat: but I don't know what strategy is better
dbdr: cost/benefit analysis time
MSmits: ttyl
DollarAkshay: The boss is actually 28.49 and #2 in gold is 27.21 ... a whole point away
Nerchio: oh some people fed the boss so hard
Nerchio: he was like 26.5 yesterday
aCat: I'm rather hoping for push
AntiSquid: the boss was 26 only lol
DollarAkshay: @aCat Nice rank 2 gold
aCat: yep
aCat: :D
MoMaT: aCat, you're so close, but so far...
aCat: pray
AntiSquid: people mindlessly submitting because of the RNG lottery
dbdr: other top gold ppl please resub to give acat a push :)
thethiny: 😂😂😂
MoMaT: VilBoub was your chance but he is loosing momentum...
BenjaminUrquhart: stop submitting, you're knocking me down smh
dbdr: entropy is your friend
DollarAkshay: Bretrayed by Lord Betrayus
aCat: yep
aCat: pleaaaase
BenjaminUrquhart: 5 minutes
BenjaminUrquhart: better make the most of it
aCat: this cat is very nice and helpful to you all
aCat: :P
DollarAkshay: Last 5 minutes guys
Peudoki: 4
F0lio: is it enough for a new push?
MoMaT: OK, wait aCat, solaimanope is trying now.
aCat: oh no
BenjaminUrquhart: F0lio go ahread
F0lio: I mean this last 4mins
JohnCM: haha just did a resubmit
aCat: not him
DollarAkshay: RNGjesus is super strong in the lst 5 minutes...RESUBMIT now or .....
JohnCM: XD, nothing to lose anyway
ChooJeremy: I should have starting benchmarking with cgbenchmark earlier
BenjaminUrquhart: you can submit all the way until the end
ChooJeremy: who knew it would take so long lol
aCat: probably the only one in top I got more loses than wins :P
F0lio: Hhhh Xd
RavenKZP: @aCat ii'm with you :)
Chkoupinator: I give up
Zaphus: is the final ranking where you are when the clock hits 0, or does it continue to run for some time to settle things down?
BenjaminUrquhart: it continues
Chkoupinator: been trying to fix this error for eons
RoboStac: yeah, timer just stops you submitting code / accessing the ide
RoboStac: positions won't be final for a few hours after that
BenjaminUrquhart: ok who wants to submit in CSB really quick and promote the entire bronze league
F0lio: CSB?
Gonny: ouh Karliso submited!
Zaphus: I made a minor change an hour ago, jumped from 450th to 195th in Gold - but I suspect that is more due to others resubmitting, the change wasn't that great!
solaimanope: What's CSB?
BenjaminUrquhart: coders strike back
BenjaminUrquhart: Zaphus same here
BenjaminUrquhart: except my last submit was 2 hours ago
MoMaT: nothing better than last minute submission drama...
DollarAkshay: Why are we talking about CSB?
karliso: Gonny I submitted 3 times already.
Zaphus: I suspect my change is worse, but it's too late now :-)
Adnmaster: as i know all the bot programming games come after a contest, and others are allowed to play it again, is this gonna be like it?
jrke: its a min now
thethiny: I know my change is better but I don't see it
DollarAkshay: 60secondssss........
thethiny: 60
BenjaminUrquhart: DollarAkshay because CSB is a contest's worst enemy
JohnCM: woohoo exciting
DollarAkshay: 50
Gonny: oh haha didn't see karliso
thethiny: 50
jrke: 50 sec
jrke: 45
aCat: magic push?
thethiny: 40
jrke: 40
DollarAkshay: The time to fix bugs is now
aCat: I will be good cat from now on, I promise
DollarAkshay: JK JK
Illedan: Change random param and push :D
BenjaminUrquhart: MAKE MORE BUGS
thethiny: 30
jrke: ;)
Adnmaster: 30
AntiSquid: lol this is too random
thethiny: 20
NickStahl: GL on re-run for all top100 legends!
jrke: 20
DollarAkshay: 15
BenjaminUrquhart: quick someone crash gold boss
jrke: 15
aCat: sola probably legend
Cappefra: I feel this is gonna be the wildest re-run ever, if the randomness is even close to the submitting one
thethiny: 10
karliso: Yeah, I think I do reasonably well against top players.. but I can't get there.
DollarAkshay: 9
jrke: 10
DollarAkshay: 8
dbdr: nice Illedan :D
DollarAkshay: 7
jrke: 9
jrke: 8
BenjaminUrquhart: 5
BenjaminUrquhart: 4
Adnmaster: 5
BenjaminUrquhart: 3
ChooJeremy: 2
Illedan: :P
WaRiOrOfCoDe: 1
thethiny: 0
jrke: 1
BenjaminUrquhart: 1
Adnmaster: 0
BenjaminUrquhart: nice
aCat: -1
AntiSquid: mass promo on gold
mlomb: gg all!
jrke: stop
Nerchio: the site exploded
aCat: -2
Lastone: GG
eulerscheZahl: we can't all be lucky NickStahl. when A is lucky and gets puched above B, then B is unlucky
BenjaminUrquhart: -3
BenjaminUrquhart: -4
BenjaminUrquhart: -5
Quidome: gg all
thethiny: resubmit time for top 100
thethiny: good luck
Gonny: what happens if I click that submit button now?
Adnmaster: good game to everybody
Gonny: oh it kicked me out
BenjaminUrquhart: Gonny error
thethiny: hey I was watching
DollarAkshay: RIP
JohnCM: gg
ToshiTuringMachine: hey i didnt save
Gonny: alright bed time, good luck everyone!
BenjaminUrquhart: 189 computing
Cappefra: so what's the time estimate for the leaderboard?
eulerscheZahl: error 404
BenjaminUrquhart: few hours
AntiSquid: fall challenge
DollarAkshay: RIP CPU's
thethiny: my Compete tab shows (1)
Durkin: woot woot, glad to have done it, glad that it's over xD
thethiny: but I can't click on it
DollarAkshay: Calsh of Code guys ? XD
thethiny: ohhhhhhh
thethiny: new contest
Adnmaster: will it compute again, or will the current leaderboard be accepted?
BenjaminUrquhart: site died
thethiny: https://www.codingame.com/contests/fall-challenge-2020
Adnmaster: aaand, the other competition...
thethiny: fall challenge 2020
Adnmaster: where can we see the results?
solaimanope: how to see the Gold boss's current score?
ToshiTuringMachine: end of the year woooot?
dbdr: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2020/leaderboard
dbdr: it's not final yet
Illedan: 189 in submit :D
DollarAkshay: Its not final for top 100
DollarAkshay: Rest all is final i think
BenjaminUrquhart: aaaaaaand signups are broken
dbdr: no because of submits in progress
dbf: can anyone share link to leatherboard please?
RoboStac: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2020/leaderboard
eulerscheZahl: look 5 messages above
BenjaminUrquhart: scroll up
dbdr: just above dbf
WaRiOrOfCoDe: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2020/leaderboard/global
Nerchio: so many people in legend submited :P
eulerscheZahl: whatever: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2020/leaderboard
dbf: thanks
jrke: hey new fall challenge
BenjaminUrquhart: "5 CodinGamers have registered to this contest"
Durkin: Wonder what the next contest will be, hope to god no fog
BenjaminUrquhart: inb4 the entire game is fog
drykberg: god damn it... got to bronze last night, placed 2012, then worked whole morning to implement abilities half-heartedly, clicked submit 5min before end, and was placed 2227
jrke: 16 registered
DollarAkshay: dbf you are in legend league XD
Quidome: registerd for fall challenge :D
DollarAkshay: Why are you asking for leader board
thethiny: inb4 Euler spams the new contest
Durkin: Its the reverse engineering puzzle in contest form benjamin
solaimanope: Will someone qualify for legend still?
eulerscheZahl: END OF THE YEAR 2020
TO BE CONFIRMED
RoboStac: they can do
BenjaminUrquhart: Durkin no
solaimanope: if he beats the gold boss?
dbf: what is a gold boss score?
eulerscheZahl: that's months away :(
thethiny: :(
Adnmaster: i hope this contest will be optimization
AntiSquid: that's fine
AntiSquid: need a proper break
DollarAkshay: it was 38.5 when i last saw it
dbdr: time to catch up on multis eulerscheZahl
AntiSquid: two contests back to back like that and hidden info :/
eulerscheZahl: i'm indeed missing some now
DollarAkshay: What multi's are we doing guys ?
tobk: bah, lost 50 ranks in the last half hour...
BenjaminUrquhart: um
eulerscheZahl: but i don't have the same motivation as for contests
AntiSquid: i have a long list of to do multis
JohnCM: next contest is end of year
JohnCM: haha
JohnCM: quite fun this one
dbf: eulerscheZahl, try miniraic once it is announced
Chkoupinator: I feel like commiting sudoku tbh
BenjaminUrquhart: what multi should I do
eulerscheZahl: on my list already dbf
Chkoupinator: I spent the last 20 minutes trying to fix a dumb bug
Cappefra: the re-run after all submits are computed is only for the top 100?
thethiny: how do we know our scores in the competition?
Chkoupinator: and I couldn't submit my new version
solaimanope: Is there any way to see Gold boss's current score? Seems like I am on the second rank in gold
eulerscheZahl: last one was fun. even if i wasn't happy about their recalc at the end
Cappefra: so basically the gold league leaderboard will be fixed in like 10 minutes from now?
BenjaminUrquhart: thethiny you'll get them soon in the completed tab under compete
BenjaminUrquhart: Cappefra basically
eulerscheZahl: planned round robin, screwed up and played random matches. way less than for a full round robin
BenjaminUrquhart: unless someone promotes in CSB
Cappefra: lol what does csb have to do with anything?
Nerchio: solaimanope boss has like 28.5 pts? :D
tobk: my last submits yesterday evening took ~30 minutes, but yes, fixed soon
AntiSquid: is strategy and feedback thread up already?
Cappefra: is that a meme or something? I see it mentioned so often
thethiny: @BenjaminUruqhart mention me again, the previous one didn't turn red
thethiny: I wanna see
DollarAkshay: I think the first 10 people who registed fro Fall 2020 shoudl get a prize :P
BenjaminUrquhart: because there's tens of thousands of players on hte leaderboard
solaimanope: Nerchio I have 27.5. It's a longs shot, but I want to keep hope.
AntiSquid: true DollarAkshay :p
eulerscheZahl: when someone submits in CSB and pushes down the boss, there's like 500 promotions at once
eulerscheZahl: slowing down the whole website
thethiny: hahahaha
RoboStac: solaimanope - you can see boss on http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/spring-challenge-2020/solaimanope
Cappefra: oh ok hahahaha
AntiSquid: someone quickly do a CSB submit
Cappefra: that's good trolling
thethiny: 568/4976
thethiny: my rank
thethiny: 😢
BenjaminUrquhart: 283/4976
Cappefra: is your submit over thethiny?
DollarAkshay: Imagine betting Rank 404 with PHP
thethiny: I don't know @Capperfra
BenjaminUrquhart: I'm still being pushed around though
thethiny: it was at 8% when it kicked us out
DollarAkshay: getting*
Cappefra: oh then no way
BenjaminUrquhart: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2020/leaderboard/global?column=SCORE&value=INPROGRESS
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2020-feedback-strategy/184113
Cappefra: you're at 68% thethiny
eulerscheZahl: share your strategies there is you want
thethiny: okay
thethiny: thanks
eulerscheZahl: random gif https://imgur.com/a/2hGeE8b
Cappefra: I'm at 87% still hoping for a tiny push forward
solaimanope: RoboStac I can't load the address
AntiSquid: maybe yolo submit wasn't such a good idea :thinking:
BenjaminUrquhart: Magus and Illedan already replying
eulerscheZahl: magus already hitting enter
Cappefra: idk Antisquid, if you're there at 27% chances are you're gonna end up top or mid-gold
eulerscheZahl: he's always one of the first to answer
Cappefra: which you already were, right?
Magus: it's not like i'll make a very long PM when i'm just 35th
AntiSquid: well it was 90th in gold this morning Cappefra :D
DollarAkshay: Well atleast I am #3 in India
Cappefra: oh :/
AntiSquid: i lose about 1k - 2k CP if i fail submit
BenjaminUrquhart: I'm top for my school cause I'm the only one that actually participated
DollarAkshay: Was too busy playing chess instead of concentrating on improving my botr
eulerscheZahl: "I didn’t find any good solution to handle the fog of war. So my code just don’t handle it. If an opponent pac is not in my inputs, it does not exist for my code."
wow
BenjaminUrquhart: I mean
MoMaT: Nerchio, gold boss is at 28,13. it will be though, but not impossible!
DollarAkshay: @eulerscheZahl who said that ?
BenjaminUrquhart: I'm pretty sure most people did that
eulerscheZahl: magus on the forum
thethiny: yes I saw lol
RoboStac: eulerscheZahl - I do that too
DollarAkshay: And he made it to legend ? :O
eulerscheZahl: tracking is essential to remove pellets
m01: is it possible to get hold of my code after the competition has ended?
eulerscheZahl: you can avoid useless paths
DollarAkshay: WTf @RoboStac you are top 10 without tracking enemies ?
BenjaminUrquhart: yes
DollarAkshay: MONSTER
Magus: i never find a working solution
Magus: everything i tried was worse
eulerscheZahl: you don't need the perfect solution
solaimanope: what's gold boss score now?
AntiSquid: anyone tried OOC style tracking?
DollarAkshay: @solaimanope 38.3
eulerscheZahl: but in some cases you can tell the opponent position with 100% accuracy
Magus: but the beamsearch works fine for farming ;D
eulerscheZahl: i do that too. but less depth
RoboStac: interesting how you did beamsearches for each move getting deeper, I didn't think of that
eulerscheZahl: and running twice with reverse order of my pacmen
Cappefra: honestly I'm baffled, I implemented tracking, whenever I see an opponent for the second time I assign every pellet on its last path a 0.1 score (cause most times I can't be 100% sure of the path it took)
Cappefra: I treat last known positions that aren't older than 3 turns as if there was still an enemy there to avoid escaping behind a corner and then coming back to die
Cappefra: and all that stuff made my bot DO WORSE
solaimanope: So, my submission has ended 27.58 in GOLD
eulerscheZahl: sounds like you are getting too shy that way
thethiny: 577 is my final rank
NovaHorizon: Nicely done, solaimanope
thethiny: oh people still computing below me
thethiny: RIP
DollarAkshay: @solaimanope yeah you are #2 in gold
Quidome: gold submits not finished yet
DollarAkshay: Just below boss
Cappefra: I killed a bunch more and died a bunch less but apparently the exploring got bad because of it
NovaHorizon: How do you know if yours is still being computed?
Quidome: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2020/leaderboard/global?column=LEAGUE&value=ALL
DollarAkshay: You can see it in leaderboard
eulerscheZahl: red circle for pending submits
DollarAkshay: Ther will be a circle next to rating
Uljahn: sort by score:computing
Nerchio: im glad this one is over lol
eulerscheZahl: my rank goes skydiving again :cry:
ClosetAI: No contest until fall, this could mean 3 total in 2020
eulerscheZahl: thibaud already announced that CG will host less contests
eulerscheZahl: and no more community contests
unixmonster: can you still play that thing in like a practice mode?
Cappefra: does anyone know what's objective-C performance in relation to C++?
DollarAkshay: @unixmonster After a day or two yes
solaimanope: next contest on which month?
eulerscheZahl: yes unixmonster. the game will return to the multiplayer section soon. probably today already
Cappefra: I might go objective-c next contest
eulerscheZahl: date for next contest isn't decided yet
DollarAkshay: @solaimanope People were saying its near the end of the year
unixmonster: gotcha.
unixmonster: Thanks!
eulerscheZahl: next AI contest will probably be mini RAIC
eulerscheZahl: on aicups.ru
eulerscheZahl: it's all russian but google translate works surprisingly well
DollarAkshay: Nice
DollarAkshay: When is it ?
eulerscheZahl: and they allow international competitors too
MSmits: ooc got thrown in unplanned. Companies pay CG to organize contests that the community can sometimes join. There's a chance we'll be able to join earlier. Just come in every once in a while
MSmits: and play a cool boardgame while you're here
eulerscheZahl: not announced. i expect it in 2 months maybe
NovaHorizon: mini RAIC?
eulerscheZahl: or create your own contest and suggest it to CG
eulerscheZahl: mini raic: https://aicups.ru/
unixmonster: also... is there a way to have multiple files?
DollarAkshay: On CG ? Nope
eulerscheZahl: and a contest match: https://aicups.ru/session/661598/
Cappefra: Has CG ever explored the idea of pay-wall contests? I'd pay something to join one if that meant having more of them
eulerscheZahl: click here: https://prnt.sc/sityp0
eulerscheZahl: there are private contests. hackathons for companies
Nerchio: eh its one of those games euler :p
eulerscheZahl: but most of the time they are less interesting than official contests. this pacman game was a unique idea. hackathons are often (not always) variations of existing games
GlitchyByte: This was a pretty awesome competition.
MindControler: Will Spring Challenge legend league codes be resubmitted?
eulerscheZahl: final leaderbaord will probably be copied to the multiplayer section directly
eulerscheZahl: no full resubmit, just a copy
jrke: when and where we can see final leaderboard
jrke: its my contest first here
Nerchio: java temporary #1
Nerchio: impressive
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2020/leaderboard
Cappefra: it's almost final for you jrke. The final recalculation is only for the top100
jrke: K
jrke: thanks
semera: game is over, can somebody share "movement resolution" code? My code was either crazy slow or there was some issue in my simulation. Collisions of several pacs was unclear for me how to evaluate it...
SemChumboPT: damm I was so bad at this spring contest :-(
Durkin: hah! paper.io contest from the russian one, yeah I'll definitely bite- thats sounding like a blast
Cappefra: there's only one person still computing in silver and one in gold
Cappefra: after that it's all about the legend guys
AntiSquid: oh 85th gold in the end, better than this morning
AntiSquid: still 201st is bad overall :D
thethiny: why can't we play previous contests?
thethiny: https://www.codingame.com/contests/detective-pikaptcha
AntiSquid: you can
thethiny: how
BenjaminUrquhart: they're puzzles now
Cappefra: we can but you have to look for them in the right section
BenjaminUrquhart: that one is a solo puzzle
Cappefra: type detective pikaptcha in the search section and you'll find it
BenjaminUrquhart: also I have a bad relationship with that game please no
AntiSquid: thethiny look at the top of the CG website and find the search bar, type in the title of the game you are looking for (contest title in this case) and search
Cappefra: I had fun with the quidditch one
thethiny: I found it now as episodes
thethiny: thans
thethiny: thanks
Cappefra: it was so much easier than ooc or this one though. I made gold in 2 hours there
WINWINWIN: I never made Gold -_-
jrke: hey same here
AntiSquid: nice table Illedan :p
eulerscheZahl: Illedan where did you get that CG sticker?
karliso: Is it just me .. or the competition level was super high this time?
eulerscheZahl: i felt the same karliso. strong competitors
AntiSquid: CG sends those stickers if you host local codinghub for their contests eulerscheZahl
AntiSquid: and some other advertising stuff
Magus: you can also have some of these sticker if you won a contest :D
AntiSquid: competition was high but also randomness on the ladder
Magus: i got some stickers when i won fantastic bits
eulerscheZahl: well, that's some tough conditions :D
AntiSquid: so hard to assess correctly the strength of others
Illedan: I got it from streaming eulerscheZahl
Illedan: Do you want 1?
Illedan: I have many
eulerscheZahl: nah
AntiSquid: i still have some too
AntiSquid: hard to find enough people to give them to
eulerscheZahl: shipping cost would exceed the sticker cost a lot :D
eulerscheZahl: and i'm not a sticker guy
AntiSquid: you would be a recycling recipient, doing my bit to save the planet
Marchete: congrats to the winners!
AntiSquid: Marchete ?!
AntiSquid: why didn't you participate
eulerscheZahl: Marchete!
eulerscheZahl: haven't seen you for a while
MattSOrme: be interesting to read the postmortems
Illedan: Hi Marchete! Did you fix all your C# bots as they broke C#? :P
jrke: after a long time going to improve my csb legend bot :)
AntiSquid: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2020-feedback-strategy/184113/10 MattSOrme
Marchete: broken again?
Marchete: man :D
wlesavo: rerun
Marchete: I was completely out for weeks
eulerscheZahl: we have .net core now
AntiSquid: completely out ?
eulerscheZahl: so your mono runtime optim isn't working
Marchete: noice, net core is powerful
AntiSquid: stuck on a cruise ship Marchete ?
Illedan: Mono.Unix.Native.Stdlib.system
doesn't work Marchete
eulerscheZahl: and release mode for c# submits
eulerscheZahl: debug mode for the IDE
eulerscheZahl: i'm crashing like dbdr :D
Marchete: I mean .net core have a lot of optims
Marchete: so you wont need Mono.Unix.Native.Stdlib.system
Illedan: True, but most of my bots do now crash
Marchete: I imagine
eulerscheZahl: release mode! no need for runtime optims anymore :)
Marchete: I was at quarantine, but not on the mood to code anything
kovi: gl everyone
eulerscheZahl: it started
Marchete: like ... zero lines, just coding at work because I need to
Marchete: ahh no
Marchete: that wasn't the real recalc?
Marchete: it starts now?
eulerscheZahl: yes
Illedan: Starts now
Illedan: contest ended 30 min ago :P
Marchete: sorry for saying congrats
Marchete: euler, prepare to go down as usual :D
Marchete: I saw you 1st some days ago
eulerscheZahl: i was hoping for top10 :(
eulerscheZahl: yeah, 1st on saturday
eulerscheZahl: long ago, i'm a has been
eulerscheZahl: and the cow is overrated i think
eulerscheZahl: ah, going down already
BALEK: C# environment will be .net core soon ?
eulerscheZahl: C# is .net core already
eulerscheZahl: they changed that directly before the contest
Marchete: you know, most people have had more time for this contest
Skril: good luck to all :-)
Marchete: btw recurs_e?
eulerscheZahl: is relocating and has no time
Marchete: ah
eulerscheZahl: maybe no motivation either, dunno
BALEK: oh nice, the FAQ is not updated yet
MattSOrme: BenjaminUrquhart your strat for colliding forgot the best one. Stubborn! just keep pushing the grid either they give up, or you both go a pac down XD
BenjaminUrquhart: k let me add that then
jrke: this was easier than OOC but it doesn't matter because the level of coders was so high
Marchete: I think I don't have many C# bots fortunately
eulerscheZahl: my OOC is broken
AntiSquid: i think there were simply more people jrke
eulerscheZahl: using system.drawing to debug images tehre
eulerscheZahl: would have to remove that
BenjaminUrquhart: MattSOrme added
eulerscheZahl: falling already, i might not even be the first toad :/
thethiny: I just got the achievement submit your code 10 times in the IDE
thethiny: hmm???
AntiSquid: watch legend completely change, ranking lottery is on! Automaton2000
Automaton2000: i guess i'll try to improve the bot
eulerscheZahl: multiplayer games don't count for that submit achievement
eulerscheZahl: not sure if bug or feature
thethiny: okay
thethiny: thanks!
AntiSquid: looks like full legend recalc, 117 people, not 100 max
BenjaminUrquhart: thethiny
eulerscheZahl: no i won't join your clash. god damn it
jrke: all legends are eveluating
Marchete: there isn't any alternative to Mono.Unix.Native.Stdlib.system?
thethiny: 😂
BenjaminUrquhart: what part of I can't code do you not understand
thethiny: I was trying it
dbdr: no, you're crashing more eulerscheZahl :P
AntiSquid: solaimanope stuck right below boss
eulerscheZahl: indeed. they run the whole league. i've seen that differently
BenjaminUrquhart: rip solaimanope
AntiSquid: improving earlier does mean a lot
eulerscheZahl: crashing?
eulerscheZahl: show me a replay to prove that
dbdr: > (10:35:26 AM) eulerscheZahl: i'm crashing like dbdr :D
eulerscheZahl: ah
dbdr: did you mean in the ranking?
eulerscheZahl: crashing more than you? that's an achievement
eulerscheZahl: was in the context of IDE matches
dbdr: ah ok :D
solaimanope: I can hear the coffin song playing.
solaimanope: What was the gold boss score in the end?
solaimanope: I can't find it.
ntroPi: ~28
eulerscheZahl: 28.40
AntiSquid: i want to read chokudai's post mortem, how do you get legend in less than 1 day, #1 PM by far imo :p
eulerscheZahl: see https://www.codingame.com/replay/467279114
solaimanope: Ok. That was fair I guess.
wlesavo: AntiSquid not sure we will get it
solaimanope: Would have hurt more if I were second with very close score :p
eulerscheZahl: japanese community is active on their blogs. i think there will be a post mortem. just not in english
WINWINWIN: When does it open as a multi?
BenjaminUrquhart: I assume after legend submit finishes
eulerscheZahl: we don't know but i think in 7h
ClosetAI: There are some japanese tweets https://twitter.com/chokudai?lang=en
dbdr: top 2 to 4 within 0.02 :D
eulerscheZahl: will history repeat?
dbdr: "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce."
jrke: its going to be tough call top 10
AntiSquid: "The one that kills by sandwiching between two bodies" www
Nerchio: i just realised you could do moves with pacs out of order?
Nerchio: so like pac 3 then pac 1 :D
BenjaminUrquhart: yes
eulerscheZahl: moves are in synx anyways
Nerchio: makes sense didnt use it though lol
eulerscheZahl: sync
ntroPi: does the order have game impact?
BenjaminUrquhart: I threw everything into a set so no defined iterations order :P
wlesavo: Nerchio they move simultaniously though
NovaHorizon: I don't think the order has game impact
Nerchio: yeah i guess
Nerchio: i didnt understand this game xD
AntiSquid: https://twitter.com/chokudai/status/1262293438583549953 this is basically a PM
ClosetAI: Looks like 2-4 places are decided by pure randomness
BenjaminUrquhart: not like I can read it
BenjaminUrquhart: ok so now
BenjaminUrquhart: sleeeeeeeep
Nerchio: YannT bot was very similar to mine maybe a little more fleshed out in some parts
AntiSquid: euler and his twin are very similar in rank, coincidence? :thinking:
Marchete: eulerscheZahl, Illedan
Marchete: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/edb9c13a-255e-4170-87b9-777b0ebb8ec7
Marchete: just as a fast replacement
AntiSquid: beamsearch was probably the most obvious first choice
Illedan: thx Marchete
Marchete: I'd say randomness is when players have +-0.02 or similar
Marchete: 0.50 difference is not that random
AntiSquid: you should have played to experience randomness of the contest first hand
Marchete: btw Illedan, do you see .net core faster?
Marchete: or it isn't noticeable?
Illedan: Didn't do tests yet
Marchete: when did they change it?
Illedan: Same day as contest started
Illedan: 1 day of 30% crashing bot at the start
Marchete: oh wow, that's a risky move
Illedan: Yeah, didn't allow my bot to stay 1st :(
Marchete: I never ever, like not in my worst nightmares, would push such change along with smth important
Illedan: And the motivation drained from that first day :P
Marchete: well, still top 100, and 16th in the previous one, so gj
MattSOrme: A player called FrenchKiss got into legen, but its bot has been crippled
AntiSquid: lol
AntiSquid: probably was bot hiding and overslept?
AntiSquid: maybe he wanted a last minute submit but failed
Uljahn: or unlucky last minute submit
MattSOrme: rip
Marchete: was the contest fun?
wlesavo: i think it was broken for quite a while
Clagus: depends on what is your definition of fun :D
Marchete: that you don't want to die at each key you press
dbdr: that's a low bar :D
dbdr: .
MoMaT: why would you cripple your legend bot? maybe if you used someone else's code to get there and try to hide it...
AntiSquid: marchete partially yes
AntiSquid: i enjoyed it up to the part where i started submit spamming just because of random leaderboard
Cappefra: @MoMaT but it got promoted to legend after the last submit...
RoboStac: it was in legend yesterday
RoboStac: last submit was 3:12pm 17/5
MoMaT: yes, so could have been changed after getting in. I don't think we can tell the promotion time...
AntiSquid: you can change the bot in gold before promotion
AntiSquid: once promotion is confirmed you can do whatever you want
AntiSquid: you still get promoted :p
MoMaT: good point. I didn't thought about that.
MoMaT: FrenchKiss, explain yourself :P
Dr-D: Jeha! Top 2000!
MoMaT: AntiSquid, you had a great last minute submit, you should be happy!
struct: javascript in top 20?
MoMaT: I remember several contest that ended up badly for me...
AntiSquid: i could have done much better, if i didn't waste time on submits lol
AntiSquid: should have focused better on fixing my bugs
AntiSquid: there are 3 bugs in my last submit that i am completely aware of btw
MoMaT: true. but that's the fun part :)
AntiSquid: playing ladder lottery ? kinda
MoMaT: tell me about it. my todo list is longer than the code...
NickStahl: Lot of C++ only in the top, one lost Java player :)
MoMaT: no, not the lottery, I'm not really saying *this* is good, but the thrill of watching your bot climbing up (and down)...
AntiSquid: ya i guess mine is horribly long too
MadKnight: i'm in gold this time
MoMaT: that's the fun part of the contest for me. I can't muster the same enthusiasm for the multi...
AntiSquid: wow MadKnight
MadKnight: did u beat AntiSquid MoMaT ?
MoMaT: you've stopped taking part for some time MadKnight, good too see you back.
MoMaT: depends how you look at it :) in ranking, no. he was like 100 places higher. but directly yes, his late submit actually improved my rank.
KeshaDM: The previous contest was more understandable. This one for me: my bugs in code are competing with the others' bugs :grinning:
F0lio: XD
MoMaT: to much functionality, too little quality? I'd like to see some kind of "on the side" results with minimum code (the simplest idea) to beat each boss.
MoMaT: I think it would be a great learning resource.
[CG]Thibaud: I'll ask Maxime to share a few ideas. At some point in the contest, he was top 300 with 200loc
eulerscheZahl: competition really improved the last days
[CG]Thibaud: yup
Uljahn: MoMaT: there is a postmortem for 300 LoC legend bot in kotlin
MoMaT: thanks, I'll have a look.
Peudoki: the French overtook the Hungarian kingdom in the end
Doju: Oh is it fine to share code now?
[CG]Thibaud: no. The game will open soon
Doju: alright
F0lio: Uljahn: what does postmortem mean? (curious)
Doju: so it's just explanations
MoMaT: "after death"
F0lio: right, thanks!
Uljahn: F0lio: it means a forum topic for discussing strategies and hints for specific contest
F0lio: I see
F0lio: im new
F0lio: much to learn
SparshMc07: UwU
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2020-feedback-strategy/184113/
Marchete: 300 LoC legend, I love challenges inside challenges :D
eulerscheZahl: dbdr has about 10 lines i think
dbdr: :innocent:
eulerscheZahl: his file bundler is weird
Marchete: how many, dbdr?
dbdr: compressed or normal?
Marchete: normal
dbdr: 1.9k
dbdr: that might include some non-fully used lib
dbdr: ah, also that's the pretty printed version, longer than what I wrote
eulerscheZahl: 1537 lines here
eulerscheZahl: verbose for me
Marchete: so, a normal bot :D
eulerscheZahl: a boring bot
Cappefra: 1.6k for me, I think 400 of which only for the hungarian algorithm to solve the super pellet assignment problem
eulerscheZahl: you can bruteforce that :D
eulerscheZahl: and: i should have do. was on my list but i totally didn't feel like it
wereii: friend of mine shared the link two days before closing, didn't make it further then Bronze but I had around 400 loc and most of it were OOPzed components with one or two methods for the game logic xd (py3)
eulerscheZahl: so sometimes i only get 1 superpellet
dbdr: do you include the opponent in that?
MSmits: hey Marchete
Peudoki: same here euler
MSmits: good to see you on chat
eulerscheZahl: and we have a similar rank Peudoki
eulerscheZahl: seems like i got you in the recalc
Cappefra: I only include the opponent to assign half of the super pellets to me and the other half to the opponent in the first round
Peudoki: I started so good in recalc
Peudoki: kept ascending
eulerscheZahl: but probably running out of battles before reaching robo
Peudoki: then like last 25% bombed
eulerscheZahl: and cow was 1st, now 10th already
MSmits: imagine I was rank 83 when I woke up. Resubmitted, rank 40, now on recalc 34 currently
MSmits: this is how random the game is
eulerscheZahl: and karliso climbed a lot
karliso: ...
dbdr: MSmits: non sequitur ;)
eulerscheZahl: maybe i should have resubmitted before it ended
karliso: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/spring-challenge-2020/karliso
Cappefra: by bruteforcing I sometimes ran into situations where a pac went to the closest one even though he could have gone for the second one, and the second closest pac was farther away than an enemy
MSmits: well done karliso
eulerscheZahl: these stats imply that you should climb even more
karliso: I feel dissapointed on multiple levels.
MSmits: dbdr it's an example, not a proof. Plenty to go around :)
Cappefra: so I treated it as a Munkres assignment algorithm
eulerscheZahl: pb4 will make his alternative ranking when the recalc is done
Cappefra: a bit excessive maybe but it worked
eulerscheZahl: curious to see how different it will be
MSmits: eulerscheZahl, not sure if thats a good idea though... there's a very good chance it will give a different result
MSmits: will breed resentment
eulerscheZahl: that's the point: giving an idea about accuracy
eulerscheZahl: and of course the alternative version isn't the "real" one either
MSmits: I know
eulerscheZahl: just showing possible discrepancies
MSmits: I don't think accuracy is possible. At most you can say for someone in top 10 , your rank is 6 +- 3 or something
MSmits: for someone ranked 40, your rank is 40 +- 20
eulerscheZahl: i'm still curious to see how similar or different the ranking will be
MSmits: yeah me too
Peudoki: we have 8-8 head-to-head eulerscheZahl
MSmits: I just hope people won't complain too much
MSmits: I won't
MSmits: i just acknowledge the randomness
eulerscheZahl: cgstats is incomplete as only the last 500 matches are shown
Scarfield: i will complain, uuuu how i will complain! :p
eulerscheZahl: but i'm collecting data already
karliso: np, multi will open and I will be first.
eulerscheZahl: we will see
MSmits: karliso you may be
MoMaT: dbdr got you good karliso.
MSmits: I think I got the lucky end of the recalc though. Not the first time either.
Peudoki: I think I got the unlucky end, but oh well
MoMaT: it would be nice to see which games were lost by a unlucky corner turn kill, and which where really competitive.
MSmits: peudoki, it's really hard to say. when you're submittign there are several distorting factors
MSmits: 1) A submit is not long enough to stabilize so you need time after
Peudoki: I'm between 10th and 20th either way I think
MSmits: 2) sometimes a lot of people who submit are rock vs your scissors and you drop lower than you should, or reverse
MoMaT: eulerscheZahl: could one extract that from server? I guess only for own games...
MSmits: 3) when lots of people submit,they are lower on the ladder and your rank seems higher than it is
MSmits: probably more things like this
Peudoki: well I'm close to Csipcsirip who is rock to my scissors
Peudoki: that hurts my recalc probably
eulerscheZahl: i'm just opening the last battles of each player and counting the wins/losses vs each other
MSmits: cool be yes
MSmits: could
eulerscheZahl: not by hand of course
eulerscheZahl: but the data is publicly accessible. not like i try to get your stderr stream
MSmits: two toads fairly near eachother on the leaderboard eulerscheZahl
MSmits: but I think you'll be top-toad
eulerscheZahl: the other toad got me at topcoder recently
MSmits: I see
MSmits: so this is payback
MSmits: eye for eye, toad for toad
Doju: I think the last revision of my bot caused timeouts :/
Doju: is there a way to see the games anymore?
eulerscheZahl: CG is my home game. i lost the away game
MSmits: true
eulerscheZahl: Doju last battles https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2020/leaderboard
MoMaT: Doju, yes, from the ranking, click "last battles".
MSmits: illeda n I would have expected to rank higher
Doju: oh thanks
MSmits: i didnt see him online so much lately
eulerscheZahl: he wasn't motivated
MSmits: ah I see
MSmits: well good thing he made legend at least
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a1679d01-99dd-4ce6-999f-be567122b1cb
eulerscheZahl: is that a general statement or does thibaud know something?
MSmits: thibaud always knows things
MSmits: anyway, gotta go do some teachin'
MoMaT: eulerscheZahl: you talking about the game results, I was wondering if you can get the gameplay data too. all the moves. this is needed to figure out the accidental deaths and measure how random the game really was. am I correct hat is only visible for your own games?
jrke: hey new name for first ranker
dbdr: stdout is public
RoboStac: no, you can get anyones replays. the only private thing is stderr output
eulerscheZahl: i even wrote an article how to do it: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/53705/contest-tools-and-workflow/introduction
eulerscheZahl: with code that you can run on the tech.io server directly in your browser
MSmits: wait, did you guys realize, there's someone with a gerbil on their company name !?
MoMaT: thanks RoboStac. I'll look into it then, maybe I can make some quick analysis.
MSmits: how do i get a gerbil?
MSmits: rank 36 on the recalc
eulerscheZahl: do you want me to get a dictionary now?
eulerscheZahl: you mean emoji?
MSmits: yeah!
eulerscheZahl: saw that
MSmits: it's awesome
eulerscheZahl: instafluff. that's from the streamer
eulerscheZahl: https://www.twitch.tv/instafluff/videos
dbdr: eulerscheZahl: type "By arena bot prints..." on https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/53705/contest-tools-and-workflow/setting-up-the-ide
MSmits: I see
dbdr: -> My
eulerscheZahl: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Doju: Oh right... pellet_distance_power = 0.3
Doju: yeah thats bad
Doju: considers pellets to be at almost the same distance
eulerscheZahl: committed. tech.io should update it soon
dbdr: I made a typeo in "typo" :D
dbdr: and again
dbdr: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
ashelkov: challenge finished.
now we gonna return to work and sleep a bit :)
thx to all for participating. it was a nice time. :ghost:
eulerscheZahl: doesn't matter. it's not like anyone would download chat history so we can look at it later
dbdr: :innocent:
Clagus: ashelkov <3
eulerscheZahl: congrats for doing so well in javascript ashikujjaman
eulerscheZahl: ashelkov
eulerscheZahl: bad tab completion :/
ashelkov: thx! ive try hard
eulerscheZahl: i think everyone at the top did
Peudoki: I couldn't catch the toad in the end
Doju: Also i spent some time making sure that i'll at least try to catch any errors
Doju: then i left this on
Doju: DEBUG = True
Doju: xd
eulerscheZahl: you'll get another chance next time
eulerscheZahl: and you got 1 toad
Peudoki: but cg shows 9-8 head-to-head so I can blame my feeder teammates ^^
eulerscheZahl: cg stats is incomplete, only showing the last 500 battles
eulerscheZahl: i suppose there were more, that are trimmed now
eulerscheZahl: i downloaded the stats, still have to parse them
ashelkov: i've fihting here not only for self but for all Javascript community:)
Clagus: eulerscheZahl are you happy with top15?
eulerscheZahl: not completely
eulerscheZahl: but i think it's a deserved place
Clagus: top1 German? :P
eulerscheZahl: my bot wasn't that good
eulerscheZahl: first in germany is normal. there's even another german in legend, which isn't normal
Clagus: I think my bot was crappy, but I put a lot of time in it, and I'm pretty happy with 275th place :P
Clagus: yeah, not a lot of Germans here
eulerscheZahl: great. as long as you had fun and maybe even learned a thing or too, it was well invested time
Clagus: yes, I think so :) I'm on CG for a long time, but it was first contest I put a lot of time in
Clagus: it was also helpfull to talk with you guys here on chat
eulerscheZahl: woah, you joined in 2014 already
Clagus: :)
eulerscheZahl: when there were only 13k users
Clagus: top 20 is dominated by C++
MoMaT: eulerscheZahl: sorry, one more question. you seem to spend time on a "kill mode". is there any kind of corner kill (collision without vision from friendly unit) that you would consider non-random? I want to count the through unlucky deaths.
SujalAI: Hey anyone there?
MoMaT: *true
RoboStac: I'm pretty sure some people were aiming for corner kills on super pellet routes (as they were quite predicatable)
SujalAI: Now that the challenge is over can someone post their code
eulerscheZahl: i did some corner kills: know where the opponent is (visible or by tracking), then move another of my units (not visible to the opponent) to the predicted cell
eulerscheZahl: turned it off in my final submit, made some wrong guesses
Clagus: hah
eulerscheZahl: about where the opponent will go next
MoMaT: OK, so I could maybe look at interception of the shortest unit -> super dot paths as planned. would that make sense?
Clagus: isn't that a lot of effort for something that could bring very little gain?
eulerscheZahl: that path is hard to intercept. because then you would be even closer or at least as close to the super pellet as your opponent
eulerscheZahl: i even give up on some super pellets when opponent has same dist but can beat me
eulerscheZahl: lunch time
Clagus: yeah, that's easy and actually is good
Clagus: and I've seen a lot of maps with such situations, as if they were not random at all :D
SujalAI: Can someone post their code
Uljahn: SujalAI: the challenge will reappear as a multiplayer game in some hours, why ruin it?
SujalAI: Uljahn when will that happen?
SujalAI: I was going to continue my code today but the game is just gone
Clagus: SujalAI you can't just come and ask people for hours of their work like that :P but if you need some help, you can ask questions
SujalAI: How can I prevent my pacs from targeting the same pellet?
Clagus: that's a good question! I implemented it myself actually
SujalAI: I have an array with the location of every single pellet
tomatoes: prioritize pacs
SujalAI: What do you mean by prioritize pacs
Clagus: I am calculating top 7 moves for each pac, and then I am selecting a field only for one pac
Clagus: so if another pac already took it, it's not allowed for another pac
SujalAI: Do I need to use speed for bronze or can i finish it with switch
tomatoes: speed more important
SujalAI: tomatoes Oh someone told me switch is more important :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Clagus: yeah, in bronze you can just use speed as soon as it is possible
Vadasz: Will be there top10 resubmits, or this is the final leaderboard?
RoboStac: this should be final, the recalcs happened
SujalAI: I think I'll need to find out the direction of the pacs to use speed or else I might just run into an enemy
Clagus: sometimes you will, but most times you won't :P
Uljahn: SujalAI: more hints for you (but no code, sorry) https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2020-feedback-strategy/184113
SujalAI: Clagus can you give me some tips for defense, right now I'm just using switch when an enemy is close by. But this causes some problems when i'm under cooldown
SujalAI: Uljahn I'm on that page right now
Clagus: SujalAI you can always check your cooldown, and if it's not active yet, you can try to evade
SujalAI: Clagus that's what i did
Clagus: I'm actually mostly evading enemies
SujalAI: Clagus I didn't evade the enemies
SujalAI: I don't know how to implement that lol
Clagus: if you can see enemy
Clagus: and he is stronger kind
Clagus: you can check if his speed + your speed <= distance
Clagus: then you are in a danger zone
SujalAI: How do I know which way to go, I only know the distance
Clagus: I am check the distance to the field my pac is going to
Clagus: and the enemy to the same field
Clagus: if the enemy distance is more than my pac distance, then I will not collide with him probably
Clagus: so no directions needed for that :)
Clagus: I came up with that myself :P
Clagus: probably isn't very smart, but still
Clagus: it works in most cases so...
Clagus: I like simple ideas, easy to implement, but powerfull in outcome - I'm too lazy for anything else :P
Clagus: as Homer Simpson said: "if something is hard to do, it's not worth doing" :D
Dipucian: can we add new languages~?
Clagus: SujalAI - good luck with improving anyways - for me trying out new ideas is the fun
Marchete: hello MSmits
Uljahn: Dipucian: admins rarely add new langauges, they're more focused on supporting the existing ones
Dipucian: is there anything we can help~?
Clagus: just out of curiosity - which language?
Uljahn: you could ask them on discord or on the forum
Hvosten: I've started in groovy with simple algorith and I had many timeouts :D
Dipucian: maybe unison~?
eulerscheZahl: there were some problems with groovy this time
_____snow_____: Is there anyone who made use of machine learning approach in the contest? maybe it can be used for designing evaluation metrics?
Uljahn: doubt it
GauravGosain: i need some help with a practice question, has anyone solved Shadows of the Knight - Episode 1
GauravGosain: :(
BeardedWhale: GauravGosais, ask away
GauravGosain: well the question gives just the direction as the input in every iteration but we have no array having the positions of the bomb how are we supposed to determine how many steps in that direction do we have to jump
BeardedWhale: The bomb remains in the same position, so you must use all previous directions as clues to where it can be.
BeardedWhale: You cannot figure out directly where the bomb is, you must rule out as many possibilities as you can with each jump
PiterYeh: is it possible that using C# in the contest we had random 10ms hiccups, maybe due to GC?
GauravGosain: oh thanks
Uljahn: there is the hint in puzzle tags (binary search)
GauravGosain: thx guys :) will try to solve it
BeardedWhale: np, good luck :)
Clagus: PiterYeh I had no timeouts using c# (after I fixed my structs to properly implement GetHashCode :P )
IAmNoob: HI!!!!
Clagus: PiterYeh but I wasn't really checking my execution times...
wereii: @ernestvw what was the math behind clicks? tried to do it simple but meeh
IAmNoob: What is that fall challenge 2020
wereii: clinks*
PiterYeh: i didn't implement GetHashCode but i didn't have any dictionary... sometimes time just kind of warped between one pac and the other, so i gave 0ms time budget to beamsearch and my pacs randomly walked around for one turn :( i couldn't find the problem in my code, so i thought maybe it was a C# thing
IAmNoob: i dont belive they started another challenge
IAmNoob: they are insane:))))))
tomatoes: fall
PiterYeh: Clagus were you using the full 50ms?
HappyJoo: Estamos de volta com um material que achamos ser de bastante interesse das pessoas que querem seguir na programação Python. What's this language? Can't I change it?
Uljahn: Automaton2000: what's going on the chat?
Clagus: PiterYeh probably not - as I said I didn't check that
Automaton2000: when i tried it and it will get a lot more
Clagus: I only checked my initial time (because I was timing out)
MSmits: yay looks like i made 33 after all...
eulerscheZahl: congrats
MSmits: big relief tbh
IAmNoob: what is fall
IAmNoob: thingy
eulerscheZahl: fall = autumn
IAmNoob: ok i know
IAmNoob: is another contest
PiterYeh: Clagus alright, thanks anyway
IAmNoob: i mean
Uljahn: it's not ready yet :)
MSmits: eulerscheZahl bit sad you didnt get higher than 14. Is this unlucky or did you just get passed in bot strength in the last 2 days?
eulerscheZahl: i have no idea
MSmits: yeah i should have guess, noone has an idea about this :P
eulerscheZahl: saw myself at 6 today (with some submitting)
MSmits: hmm ok
eulerscheZahl: but that rank could have been luck as well
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: I'll write a serious PM I think. I'm not near the top, but I think some parts of my bot are definitely top 10 worthy
eulerscheZahl: then i dropped. and my bots isn't even worse against some players from the top than vs 10-20 range
eulerscheZahl: i'm not sure if i want to write a PM or not
MSmits: I'm curious about your search
eulerscheZahl: beam search, one pacman after another
Cappefra: I'm curious about the traps
eulerscheZahl: then run again in reverse pac order
MSmits: oh, i started with beamsearch... I got stuck on recursion
eulerscheZahl: bruteforce traps
Cappefra: or in generale about how top people implemented cooperation
MSmits: i will share this Cappefra, my cooperation was definitely good
eulerscheZahl: for each opp and pair of 2 own pacmen: where can opp go (list of cells)? then i move to limit these options
eulerscheZahl: repeat until 0 possible locations (=kill) or cooldown=0 (escaped)
eulerscheZahl: quite simple actually
Clagus: yup, simple but powerfull
MSmits: ahh ok
Clagus: very cool
MSmits: I did a full monte carlo sim
eulerscheZahl: and i also put a null into my own pacmen. that way i do 1 vs 1 kills
MSmits: with opponents as walls when they have advantage of type
MSmits: a null?
eulerscheZahl: and my bot thinking: https://imgur.com/a/2hGeE8b
eulerscheZahl: nullptr
eulerscheZahl: so that one pac is null and i only move 1 of my team
MSmits: ah ok
MSmits: very different from what I did
MSmits: a big thing I take away from this contest is the power of monte carlo
IAmNoob: are there many people in CODERS STRIKE BACK legend?
MSmits: I always viewed it as a poor man's solution if you dont know a better way
MSmits: but thats not correct
MSmits: IAmNoob yes
IAmNoob: ok:(
IAmNoob: i am now in gold and i thought i am one of 100
eulerscheZahl: maybe i should write a PM then. at least about tracking + killing. i'm just totally not in a mood :/
MSmits: yeah, understandable
JBM: just don't wiat until you forgot all about it
MSmits: I'm in a better mood because i woke up at rank 83 :P
eulerscheZahl: like my xmas rush post mortem, JBM?
MSmits: you did that one really late?
eulerscheZahl: which is still published soon
MSmits: oh
IAmNoob: Is there a contest or a challenge every season?
JBM: possibly :D
JBM: not yet
JBM: only 3 to go
IAmNoob: ok
MSmits: IAmNoob nope, the schedule is erratic
eulerscheZahl: in the past we had 4-5 contest per year. will be less frequent now
IAmNoob: ok
IAmNoob: thx
eulerscheZahl: next contest is planned for end of 2020. that's all we know
MSmits: but honestly, you can get almost the same experience by having a group of likeminded people fight a multiplayer arena at the same time
MSmits: happens all the time
eulerscheZahl: or we create our own contest and suggest it to CG
MSmits: pick an arena you like, talk about it here regularly and people will join, try to beat you at it
MSmits: or that
Marchete: except poker chip race
Marchete: don't talk about it anymore
SujalAI: Has anyone done code vs zombies?
MSmits: heh, no PCR is in my past now, probably forever, with all the arenas available
MSmits: SujalAI yes
Clagus: why after finishing top300 I lost ranking points O_o
Clagus: I mean global account ranking
RoboStac: it won't have been counted yet
MSmits: check tomorrow
Clagus: oh ok, I thought it was because in "bot programming" I saw increase
MSmits: it's pretty expensive to recalculate a leaderboard of 2 million players, so they do it at night
MSmits: Clagus other stuff happens every day, so that increase may have several causes
Clagus: ok sure :P
Clagus: yeah I've just checked in details, that was old increase :P
MSmits: ah ok
Clagus: I was just suprised cause I got new ranking today and it was lower than last ranking from March
Clagus: that's why I asked
Clagus: thx
Illedan: hmm, what is wrong with PCR Marchete? :thinking:
MSmits: he just spent too much time on it I think
MSmits: but result is quite good
SujalAI: MSmiths how do i prioritize Ash to target zombies close to humans?
MSmits: I just did a bunch of random moves and calculate score based on that
MSmits: then picked the best move
MSmits: monte carlo
MSmits: other than that, no heuristic rules
SujalAI: But how can I proritize zombies close to humans?
MSmits: your search gives score for surviving humans
MSmits: so your search wont pick moves where humans die
SujalAI: I'm just finding the closest zombie, but I want to chose a zombie if it's very close to a human
PiterYeh: If CG is gound to host less contests, are you guys going to use any alternative platforms?
MSmits: ah well you can calculate for each human what the distance to the closest zombie is and then walk to the zombie that is closest to a human
MSmits: not saying this is the best way, but its a good thing to do to practice
Nerchio: so they go away from community contests and then we will have 2 contests per year ^^?
IAmNoob: The best thing in coders strike back are the fancy drifts
Marchete: PCR simulation is sh*t
Marchete: even with the referee is hardf
PiterYeh: i'm not saying to drop CG, just wondering if there are alternatives in between CG contests
Miarem: MSmits, now I'm free to wreck you at uTTT
MSmits: hehe, good luck :)
Miarem: pff... I have skill, I don't need any luck!
MSmits: ah but when both players have skill, luck is the difference :)
MSmits: I have to warn you... i am very lucky :P
MSmits: for some reason luck gave me a 100% winrate as p1 vs you, karli so and re curse after all... :P
Nerchio: Piter i think there is not that many contests unfortunately
Miarem: we'll see, 3 elo pts is a big gap to cover
MSmits: i would worry more about kar liso though
MSmits: my bot beats him now because I broke his opening book
MSmits: but he's in a league of his own compared to everyone else
MSmits: my bot may match him,but I am not even sure of that
MSmits: its funny how nagrarok got pushed up too
MSmits: still strong after all that time
Miarem: karliso, what do you code daily?
Miarem: do you have anything to do with AI and similar stuff?
Miarem: or is it just a hooby?
Miarem: *hobby?
MSmits: might be afk
Quidome: Is the leaderboard final?
Miarem: and what is most impressive about Nagrarok's commit. it's date 04/08/2018
Miarem: Quidome, yes
MSmits: yes, he was nr 1 for a long time, i think like a year
Quidome: Nice work MSmits
MSmits: what do you mean Quidome?
Quidome: plaats 33 legend :)
MSmits: oh ja, best tevreden, ben nu post mortem aan het schrijven
Quidome: cool, zit op middelbaar onderwijs?
MSmits: Ik geef natuurkunde en informatica, dus ja
Quidome: Oh, ok, je bent docent :)
MSmits: yep
Csipcsirip: no rerun for the top10 ?
MSmits: there was a recalc
MSmits: did you miss it?
MSmits: it just does this for top 100
MSmits: not top 10 specifically
Csipcsirip: hm I thought there would be 1 more rerun only for those in the top10
Miarem: i don't think it's possible
MSmits: They never do that
Csipcsirip: hm...okay
MSmits: pb4 will do his own calculation to check, with a different system, to see if the order would be different
MSmits: but thats not official
Miarem: cause some of top-10 might get smaller score than 11th
MSmits: miarem, they could solve that problem
Csipcsirip: yeah sure you're right
MSmits: but they're not going to. It's not wise either, any recalc is going to keep the randomness inherent to this game. It would be sad for people who got nr 1 on first recalc, then nr 3 on second, or something
Miarem: yeah, this one gone quite messy
MSmits: it would only cause more contention about the end result I think
MSmits: better to accept the result and move on. I think Saelyos is reasonably clear as a winner, but not sure
MSmits: good enough
MSmits: it's not 0.01 difference
Miarem: yeah, i also see the flaws of the system
Miarem: but i kind of enjoy them
Miarem: it is a part of game
MSmits: it's not a flaw of the system really. The system isn't perfect, but the game is just very random. With the game a given, an unbiased ranking system can't exist I think
MSmits: you will always have situations where the nr 8 easily beats the nr 3, but the nr 3 easily beats 4, 5 and 6
AntiSquid: MSmits hates the game
MSmits: no i dont
MSmits: i accept the randomness as a given
joelthelion: most intersting games are like that
MSmits: I actually got the lucky end of it in my rank
AntiSquid: do you think the game would be as random in outcome with 1 pac?
eulerscheZahl: winrates that will be used to generate the alternative ranking: https://pastebin.com/4Kxk7x2r
MSmits: AntiSquid no it would be less random
AntiSquid: or less pacs
MSmits: or without hidden information
MSmits: it would be less random then too
AntiSquid: 5 pacs, tiny map, you basically calculate best options turn 1 if i am not mistaken
MSmits: the first turns are super important there yeah
RoboStac: 1 pac would be instantly over if you died on a corner
RoboStac: which would be very random
RoboStac: though I guess you could track better
MSmits: yes, you could already sometimes guess an opponent would be coming around the corner
kovi: back
AntiSquid: well corner kills are also very random :/
MSmits: yes, corner kills are the biggest source of noice
MSmits: noise
GlitchyByte: I didn't know about gaming the ranking the system. Boosting with promo. 1st time doing this. I was 50 Silver at some point. Could have left it at that and probably be boosted to gold. Instead I had to tinker and submit close to the finish line.
MSmits: it's hard to say if you could actually have been boosted to gold GlitchyByte
MSmits: depends on the rating difference mostly
AntiSquid: lots got pushed to legend GlitchyByte :D
MSmits: not the actual rank
RoboStac: it's very unlikely you'd get boosted that far - it tends to just be people very close to the boss
MSmits: yeah, normally it is. there is a large margin of error in some areas on the leaderboard though, with lots of people with the same rating
MSmits: but those tend to get pushed past the boss very quickly
RoboStac: yeah, but that affects the middle much more than the top ends
MSmits: whats left are people will bots clearly weaker than boss
MSmits: with
MSmits: true RoboStac
MSmits: in legend middle, the error was +- 20 ranks I think
MSmits: at top probably +- 3 or 5
MSmits: gold it was +-100 for many
kovi: 20 for top...
MSmits: well depends on what you mean by top and how many people are submitting at once
kovi: true
MSmits: you guys were all submitting at once, thats even more unreliable
AntiSquid: got worse by the end MSmits, gold bots got similar in strength and between submits you could have 200 rank difference for some
MSmits: yes, but +-100 is a 200 margin
MSmits: it doesnt bother me too much, if you look at the whole leaderboard of 5k players, better bots did clearly rank better. It's just a bit annoying for those that just missed something. Like a promotion or a prize
eulerscheZahl: or the opportunity to sell their bot
GlitchyByte: Ha!
MSmits: lol, what?
eulerscheZahl: got an offer to sell mine. ceg too
MSmits: wow
MSmits: I've never gotten that
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/sipo2z
MSmits: thats bad
MonZtaDeluxe: wtf
MSmits: did you report them to CG?
eulerscheZahl: i told here to contact thibaud (and also shared that chat and a bit more on the moderators channel on discord)
MSmits: ah ok
eulerscheZahl: she said banning them later wouldn't work
eulerscheZahl: and then asked me to have my bot
MSmits: it would have been a good idea to disqualify them from the leaderboard so they have no standing for their school
MSmits: the opposite of what they were trying
Stilgart: eulerscheZahl: no comment
MSmits: I like how ceg responded
Cappefra: granted that scholl thing is really happening
Bob: lol, I say
Stilgart: btw, am I the only one to have an increase of invitation for CoCs ?
Cappefra: yes
IAmNoob: :))
IAmNoob: yes
Stilgart: ha nice
Bob: you must be so popular <3
Stilgart: IAmNoob: at least, spent some time between two votes, it would be nice
Stilgart: Bob: well, it will become "completely absent" if things goes on
IAmNoob: Why
IAmNoob: ?
eulerscheZahl: i got a lot of CoC invites too recently
Bob: I believe Azkellas's CG enhancer script can disable them
CyberLemonade: is it from raghavachekuri?
Stilgart: that's the last one (yesterday)
CyberLemonade: yes he spammed me today
eulerscheZahl: 8 invites in the last 11 days for me
CyberLemonade: 5 since morning for me
eulerscheZahl: you won :D
CyberLemonade: :joy:
IAmNoob: Stilgart why should i dont vote early?
Stilgart: voting should be down after some reflexion
IAmNoob: ok
Stilgart: more than 10 votes in half an hour is not so good
Stilgart: it makes me think that you don't even read the statement
Stilgart: (note that I don't know what you really do)
Uljahn: is it contribution related?
Stilgart: yep
IAmNoob: I do bro:))
IAmNoob: why would i dont
Stilgart: some in the past did not
IAmNoob: I make my own solutions
IAmNoob: for what i accept
Stilgart: and some contributions with issues were accepted
IAmNoob: there were minor issues
Stilgart: having a solution is far from enough
CyberLemonade: IAmNoob that's okay but often times the clashes aren't fun at all
IAmNoob: I know
IAmNoob: Stilgart
Stilgart: I was thinking of contributions with major flaws
IAmNoob: like:
IAmNoob: put a link or something
Stilgart: it is not among the one you accepted... I said "in the past" :)
IAmNoob: aaaaaaaaaaaa
IAmNoob: ok
IAmNoob: :))
Stilgart: just keep in mind that, in the same past, fast multiple votes like this have led to mass refusal
MSmits: I dont get invited much, did I turn of some notification or something?
Stilgart: (we on #fr are good at mass refusal)
MSmits: btw, I dont want invites... just in case you're wondering
IAmNoob: Stilgart ok thx
Stilgart: MSmits: I wish it were possible
IAmNoob: :))
Marchete: :rofl:
wlesavo: even i got an offer of 200$ for my bot lol, different acc from ceg though
IAmNoob: i would give the bot:)))
IAmNoob: but at 500$
struct: lol
struct: wlesavo for the bot of this contest?
eulerscheZahl: i got 2 offers: the one from ceg and javatar2018
wlesavo: same scheme actually, but my kid was also crying that his parrents will kill him if he wont be in top 100
eulerscheZahl: who i can't find anymore, probably the nick changed
MSmits: rofl wlesavo
wlesavo: yeah, javatar
wlesavo: thats the guy
struct: 200$ for 12 days work
struct: cheap
MonZtaDeluxe: there's a zero missing on the right side a guess
cegprakash: :( :(
cegprakash: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
cegprakash: woke up to very bad rank
cegprakash: this ladder system won't give me games against top guys
eulerscheZahl: and we don't know if we would actually ever see the money
cegprakash: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/spring-challenge-2020/cegprakash
wlesavo: i tried to give him some advices, but then i realised he uses euclidean distance, so he is probably quite far form top 100
eulerscheZahl: how shall i click a link when you message appears the same moment i want to click wlesavo?
wlesavo: lol
wlesavo: clickbait
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl I had 60% win rate against 40-50 ranks
cegprakash: but it didn't matter for CG
cegprakash: it gave me more games against bottom 20
eulerscheZahl: recalcs can be painful
eulerscheZahl: once i dropeed from 25 to 91
eulerscheZahl: top50 = tshrit ranks, was already celebrating
cegprakash: what
cegprakash: top 50 t shirts
cegprakash: :@ :@
wlesavo: which game?
eulerscheZahl: coders of the carribbean
wlesavo: painful indeed
AntiSquid: where does it say anything about t-shirts?
eulerscheZahl: for this contest? nowhere
AntiSquid: ah ok
eulerscheZahl: and that's how you quickly spread misinformation by people only reading half the chat ;)
AntiSquid: ille only at 91 for this contest? thought he had a stronger bot
eulerscheZahl: in the beginning. people improved
AntiSquid: brutal legend
eulerscheZahl: he confirmed having low motivation
eulerscheZahl: and still beating most players
AntiSquid: you defeated your clone
Csipcsirip: :D
eulerscheZahl: implying eulerscheZahl = Illedan? :D
AntiSquid: no, that daiver guy
Csipcsirip: the other toad I think
AntiSquid: #22
eulerscheZahl: my revenge for topcoder
eulerscheZahl: where i got 17th and he finished 4th i think
AntiSquid: did you enjoy this contest ?
eulerscheZahl: at first: no
Adnmaster: it was quite fun
eulerscheZahl: when i got the idea: yes
eulerscheZahl: not a fan of fog of war in general
SunjiWa: Personally I preferred some other contests
SunjiWa: like overcooked and hearthstone clones
AntiSquid: felt more like a puzzle initially
SunjiWa: hi from me
AntiSquid: hi
struct: I just hope someday we will get another physics contest
eulerscheZahl: like overcooked and hearthstone clones
that's so of the least liked by me
eulerscheZahl: so => some
AntiSquid: pacman 2 clone would have been nice imo
SujalAI: has the spring challenge been made a game now?
AntiSquid: soon
AntiSquid: maybe this afternoon
CyberLemonade: has anyone written a PM?
AntiSquid: has anyone written in chat?
eulerscheZahl: check the forum
Uljahn: SujalAI: you'll get a notification when it's released i guess
[CG]SaiksyApo: How did you liked pac-collision or would you have preferred pac overlapping resulting in shifumi fight when enemy ?
darkhorse64: Will the pacman clone (the multi submitted right before the contest)return ?
eulerscheZahl: collision is fine
wlesavo: AntiSquid will pacman contribution be released?
eulerscheZahl: even if a little hard to understand with "human logic" sometimes
eulerscheZahl: in the end i didn't even implement any collision physics in my bot. just avoided colliding with myself
wlesavo: darkhorse64 damn, somehow thinked of the same thing just now
eulerscheZahl: and kept bumping into the opponent. speed makes you lose 1 turn. switch gives the opponent the option to counter-switch
eulerscheZahl: that multi was actually uploaded almost 1 year ago. made by jupoulton
Uljahn: i'd like to have "look around the corner" ability :smiley:
darkhorse64: I like the RPS thing, the collisions were OK as they are, I have mixed feeling for the fog of war. All in all, I fared pretty badly in this contest, so I may be biased
AntiSquid: round the corner kills was the main issue imo [CG]SaiksyApo
eulerscheZahl: you can deduct some info from details given (score, missing and remaining pellets)
darkhorse64: My question was whether the multi can return for all
AntiSquid: wlesavo you need to speak to thibaud, he told me not to share the game
eulerscheZahl: but he didn't tell me and i downloaded it from squiddy's contribution :imp:
darkhorse64: That's totally understandable given the contest theme but now that the contest is over, it may be reconsidered
eulerscheZahl: we don't know why it was created
eulerscheZahl: a prototype for this contest? an internal hackathon for a company?
eulerscheZahl: hacakthons can't be multiplayers for contract reasons
AntiSquid: i think there was a diff reason darkhorse64
AntiSquid: also it looks exactly like pacman except it's 2 players, 1 pac each
AntiSquid: no fog, no RPS, ghosts are in there, damn it seems a lot of fun
darkhorse64: I am OK with any decision taken it's just a question for CG. Is it OK for them or not
darkhorse64: [CG]Thibaud: do you know anything about that ? Can the multi return ?
darkhorse64: Yeah, it looks like the classic game, a nice to have thing
wlesavo: also easy to implement a simple bot by cutting current one, so probably will have some attention and a little more players than usual community contributions
[CG]Thibaud: I'm sorry, we prefer to keep it
wlesavo: oh well, understandable i guess
Astrobytes: I'm sure someone in the community could come up with something similar for us all
darkhorse64: No problem, thanks for the quick answer
Marchete: it's hacking time! https://youtu.be/bS5P_LAqiVg?t=607
kurto: can anyone help me
kurto: ??
AntiSquid: yes jesus can if you let him in your heart
ShlOk: @kurto what happened??
kurto: im stuck down a well
kurto: i need to learn to code
kurto: really quick
kurto: i use python
struct: why really quick?
Astrobytes: To get out of the well, presumably
ShlOk: @Antisquid i have a damn question for u. Last day u did not allow me to share links now that guy is sharing the link . Cant u tell him??
Astrobytes: ShlOk AntiSquid meant clash invitation links
Astrobytes: It's bad form to post those
ShlOk: Who r u all to tell me bro??
ShlOk: Protocol is for everyone
ShlOk: Not only for selective ones
wlesavo: dam Marchete now im watching kung fury
Astrobytes: Dude, you don't have to share clash links, if people want to clash - they will join
eulerscheZahl: legend is 114 players now. where did they go?
Astrobytes: Any other non-clash links are fine ShlOk
ShlOk: @Astrobytes dont change the point broo.
Uljahn: clash links are dead in 5 minutes so that's spam
tobk: collision was kind of weird though. in one replay had two of my own bots headbutt each other trying to kill another bot. needless to say the attacked bot in the middle did survive this...
ShlOk: U also know i m right!!
Astrobytes: ShlOk which part are you not getting here?
WINWINWIN: Multi released yet?
ShlOk: I know u all r experts!!!! But i dont want anyone to be bias on this website.:angry:
Astrobytes: Later today probably WINWINWIN
WINWINWIN: :(
kurto: how do i select only the initials of a name?
WINWINWIN: python right?
eulerscheZahl: FrenchKiss removed. and 2 others as well. spot the missing players
Astrobytes: ShlOk - Dude. The rules are simple. no clash links. Most other links are fine. Where is the issue?
WINWINWIN: name = input().split()
WINWINWIN: initials = [ i[0] for i in name]
WINWINWIN: This will give the initials as a lisk kurto
WINWINWIN: *List
Csipcsirip: will the contest return as a multi ?
Quidome: I moved up 6 places, so 6 people aboce me removed?
eulerscheZahl: soon
AntiSquid: shlok / shiok that conversation was about not harassing people to join stupid clash
AntiSquid: you can share links (apart from NSFW)
Csipcsirip: nice
Quidome: why are they removed?
AntiSquid: 6 places where ?
thethiny: can someone send me the forums link
thethiny: can't seem to find it
WINWINWIN: 6 places in contest?
eulerscheZahl: let me check...
Astrobytes: AntiSquid I tried telling him :shrug:
Quidome: i am 466 gold and I was 472
WINWINWIN: thethiny
WINWINWIN: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2020-feedback-strategy/184113/33
AntiSquid: it's not even about sharing clash link, he was telling everyone to join the clash now he is being a drama queen Astrobytes
Quidome: sorry overall rating that is
KonamiCode: yeah, someone got removed
Astrobytes: AntiSquid I know, I saw him doing it
WINWINWIN: @Quidome, maybe some people are removed from contest because of what happened in the morning
thethiny: thx winwinwin
Quidome: what was happening?
KonamiCode: mataranga was 70-something, now N/A
Astrobytes: What happened in the morning?
WINWINWIN: Some US college offered a prize to winners and to get that prize the students tried copy pasting
AntiSquid: i was 201st, 3 got removed above me it seems
Quidome: Oh, ok, interesting
Astrobytes: FFS, real clever
[CG]Thibaud: we kicked a few smurfs and people who shared code
[CG]Thibaud: still deciding if we should kick the main accounts (who had smurfs)
eulerscheZahl: kord
mataranga
FrenchKiss
struct: Thibaud you mean multiple submits with multiple accounts?
struct: or smurf accounts with only 1 submit?
MSmits: my massive PM is up
[CG]Thibaud: yeah, sorry I mean "alt accounts"
WINWINWIN: Does not seem possible to figure a smurf if it is multiple submits multiple accounts
struct: Yeah I get that, but my question is, you ban people that used alt accounts + real accounts?
struct: Like multiple submits per person
AntiSquid: similar code i guess Winwin
Astrobytes: I think that's what they're trying to decide struct
Quidome: hm, this is not so funny
struct: I think my wording is poor
struct: let me see if I can explain my question :p
darkhorse64: Anxious, struct ?
[CG]Thibaud: we kick the alts only not main accounts. And when code was shared, we kept the first player only
MadKnight: [CG]Thibaud probably only legendary and maybe gold alts
WINWINWIN: :) darkhorse64
struct: So Imagine you had a smurf and only submited on contest with that account
[CG]Thibaud: yes MadKnight
struct: That should not be a problem imo
struct: But if you submited with smurf + other accounts
struct: asure
eulerscheZahl: 3 in legend removed: kord, mataranga, FrenchKiss
darkhorse64: Only copy / paste if you improve
Quidome: [CG]Thibaud thnxs for all the efforts!
[CG]Thibaud: :heart:
eulerscheZahl: yeah, highly appreciated
AntiSquid: so alt until silver is ok ?
WINWINWIN: On top of that they also reached gold in the contest!
WINWINWIN: Awesome [CG]Thibaud
WINWINWIN: !!
struct: darkhorse64 im not anxious, just wanted to understand, I did not compete in this challenge
[CG]Thibaud: alt is never ok
darkhorse64: struct: I am just trolling you :innocent:
wlesavo: nice PM MSmits, thx
GauravGosain: hey guys :D
GauravGosain: im still noob at coding but slowly learning
GauravGosain: this is super fun
kurto: is it possible to learn python in 3 months? i seen a YT vid of a guy saying he got proficient enough for a job at google after 3 months of coding
kurto: im still in a well
Hjax: can you learn python in 3 months? absolutely! can you learn enough that google wlil hire you, unclear
Hjax: google cares about more things than just how well you write code, they care about how you think, how you solve problems, etc
struct: past experience also counts
kurto: i can write a calculator using python, where do i go from here?i want to learn more
struct: If he had previous languages knowledge
Maciulis: did he learn to code from scratch or had previous experience in other language
Uljahn: i doubt you can learn python with all standard libraries in 3 months
Marchete: and in 2 months?
Uljahn: sure :smiley:
Marchete: :D
GauravGosain: if u have coded in almost any language before learning python is a breeze
kurto: is a 6 month python course going to bring me up to speed?
Uljahn: it depends
kurto: im fucking dumb
kurto: but i want to improve
Uljahn: improve in what? what's your goal?
kurto: coding. make money from it
AntiSquid: then do some android apps and insert as many ads as possible into them
AntiSquid: make sure they are cash grab p2w
AntiSquid: or be innovative and create something unique
kurto: i mean i want to learn to code and get a job
kurto: currently i a dumb welder
AntiSquid: what kind of job
kurto: backend developer
AntiSquid: then pick a language for backend and learn that
kurto: im doing that
kurto: but
kurto: as i said, i can code a calculator. where do i go from there?
Astrobytes: Hey, being a welder does not make you dumb. Give yourself some credit ;)
AntiSquid: i don't think this is the best site to learn backend development
AntiSquid: what Astrobytes says is very much true, there's lots of "IT" people that are dumb
kurto: where can i learn to understand the flow of a code
AntiSquid: hey i don't know best site for backend, but use google to find tutorials, alternatively use freecodecamp it teaches backend too
Maciulis: go to job boards search for junior positions, analyze reqs get familiar with some of the tools used and apply
MSmits: yw wlesavo, I like writing them
Maciulis: you will learn on the job
Uljahn: or try to apply for internship
AntiSquid: make sure to ignore junior positions that require years of experience, those are people trying to underpay you
kurto: ive been doing that for 9 months
kurto: i need to get past just being able to code a calculator
AntiSquid: do their charity projects if you can't find anything better
AntiSquid: and use that to show you have experience
AntiSquid: or go freelance i guess ?
Maciulis: there is not much of market for custom calculators
AntiSquid: that's why i said he should search for tutorials if he wants to learn more, but the calculator project is just one of the many on that site, he stopped early
Maciulis: try paid evening courses in your city, most of them advertise that they will help you find a job afterwards. Got to invest money to make money
AntiSquid: charity projects on freecodecamp (if they still have those) are free and you do real world stuff
Kellthazar: Anyone did the Monte Carlo Tree Search Exercise? https://www.codingame.com/training/hard/monte-carlo-tree-search-exercise
Uljahn: yep
Kellthazar: So, could you help me? When they said: "Reading baa 30" why not create 3 nodes instead of one? root -> b -> a -> a
RoboStac: thats how basic mcts works - each time you search from the root you create one new node and then do a playout from there. Creating nodes for each move in the playout is very inefficient as you might never come back to this part of the tree (and usually the game is much deeper than 3 moves).
struct: My uTTT problem :(
struct: I guess its simple enough to fix
MSmits: oh nice, a mcts puzzle
Marchete: try it, maybe you never heard about it :D
Marchete: about MCTS
Marchete: it's kind of interesting
Kellthazar: RootStac, so, how to differ the "baa 30" playout from the "bbb 4" (first example)?
Kellthazar: By this statement "Finally, reading bbb 4 will create a new node on a path bb from the root, updating all statistics on a way to the root, so the root will have 3 visits, and b node 2 visits."
Kellthazar: "create a new node on path bb"
Kellthazar: I cant understand...
RoboStac: each time you start from the root and follow your tree until you encounter a move you've not seen before. You then make a node there and backprop the score
RoboStac: so the first line creates a starting move b as there aren't any nodes
RoboStac: second line creates starting move a as you haven't seen that
RoboStac: third time you already have b node so you travel to that and create a child b node on there
MSmits: lol Marchete
RoboStac: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/09ad409c-882c-4fab-8b12-31c33ff97437
RoboStac: so you end up with that tree
lifetimeLearner007: hey guys
any idea when spring challenge 2020 will be available for offline playing?
Kellthazar: RoboStac... ohhhh
Kellthazar: lifetimeLearner007: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2020
Kellthazar: You can "play it" locally with this project...
Kellthazar: Thanks, RoboStac, I think I get it.
lifetimeLearner007: Kellthazar, I meant like a game in CG website. Like we have past OOC, LOCM etc. Sorry, I wasn't clear b4.
Kellthazar: Oh, no problem... And I don't know. :)
eulerscheZahl: "we’ll release the game soon"
eulerscheZahl: https://forum.codingame.com/t/spring-challenge-2020-bugs-questions/180397/161
Riyuk: 429 Too Many Requests
struct: refresh
Riyuk: seems it's unavailable for a while
lifetimeLearner007: thnx euler
thanhvuxx122: hello world
ZarthaxX: hai
ashikujjaman: can I see the code of others?
ZarthaxX: tooooooooooooooad
eulerscheZahl: polar bear
WINWINWIN: :D
ZarthaxX: howdy
eulerscheZahl: still your toad #1
ZarthaxX: #2 in lb tho
ZarthaxX: you gotta fix that issue
WINWINWIN: He already did :D
ZarthaxX: i see his second
ZarthaxX: him
eulerscheZahl: wait till tomorrow
eulerscheZahl: royale missed top100 in the contest
ZarthaxX: oh..
ZarthaxX: that's an f
ZarthaxX: need to check that lb
WINWINWIN: Anyone use sublime text?
WINWINWIN: I tried coding offline and copy pasting but I am getting this error
WINWINWIN: TabError: inconsistent use of tabs and spaces in indentation
WINWINWIN: python3
ZarthaxX: didnt sublime go pay to use?
WINWINWIN: :/ I dont pay
eulerscheZahl: i use atom
WINWINWIN: It asks me to I just click remind me later
ZarthaxX: weird, i got that problem in linux
ZarthaxX: yeah i know that window :P
WINWINWIN: Never got an error till now :P
ZarthaxX: atom is cool
ZarthaxX: doesnt vscode do the job anyway?
WINWINWIN: But why is that error coming?
WINWINWIN: TabError: inconsistent use of tabs and spaces in indentation
ZarthaxX: did you google?
ZarthaxX: ah that's a python error
WINWINWIN: Says something about inconsistent spacing
eulerscheZahl: i never really tried VS code
struct: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5685406/inconsistent-use-of-tabs-and-spaces-in-indentation
RoboStac: it means you've got both tabs and spaces at the start of lines
RoboStac: so it can't work out the program flow
ZarthaxX: structooo :*
struct: hi ZarthaxX
WINWINWIN: Hmm, thanks ZarthaxX
WINWINWIN: Will just run a replace in python3 online
RoboStac: the stub codes here appear to be space indented, so there might be a setting you can change in sublime to use spaces instead of tabs
WINWINWIN: thanks RoboStac
ashikujjaman: what is your code length for spring challenge
egaetan: 2,5k
Uljahn: i used some imports in python, should i count underlying code to? :thinking:
ashikujjaman: @Uljahn NO
eulerscheZahl: 1.5k lines
BenjaminUrquhart: I used a number of lines
struct: .13€ per line
ashikujjaman: I am in silver an my code is 500 lines
BenjaminUrquhart: struct nice JS bot btw
struct: yes I got to bronze and never made a bot
Uljahn: tutubalin was able to reach wood1 with 100 chars in js :)
ashikujjaman: @eulerscheZahl may ask you which algorithm you have used?
Uljahn: what is forum, Automaton2000
Automaton2000: and as you can see
Gonny: 1.5k too, too long if you ask me...
struct: That seems a lot
struct: 100 lines
eulerscheZahl: beam search for path finding
ashikujjaman: anyone used AI (I am poorly know about AI)
ashikujjaman: @eulerscheZahl thanks
eulerscheZahl: storing a lot of nodes for possible locations for each opponent. removing some when i can exclude them (e.g. seeing a pellet => opponent hasn't been there)
eulerscheZahl: bruteforce for kills
Brokolis: In the rock-paper-scissors war puzzle, in the example there are 2 papers on the lowest row, however, I fail to see how
Brokolis: It says that you can wage war on at most 4 fronts, so the top row C's would beat bottom row P's, making rows equal
Brokolis: And then for 3 remaining rounds they would both mvoe one left
Brokolis: How is it that there are 2P's at the end on the 2nd row?
Brokolis: Nevermind, I am dumb
Brokolis: It also goes left
MSmits: eulerscheZahl I think it's funny you started with MC but found it to work badly and switched to beamsearch and made it work well. I started with beamsearch and i couldnt code it properly and switched to MC which worked well
ashikujjaman: does depth first search always go the maximum depth node
eulerscheZahl: :D
BenWo: morning
MSmits: ashikujjaman no it doesnt
MSmits: it just explores the most recently added node first
MSmits: but you might find a short path that way
MSmits: it's just not guaranteed
wlesavo: fun fact, my rank is exactly twice of my team rank 68 vs 34
MSmits: I rank exactly 1 above your team :P
MSmits: btw what is your team, company or school?
MSmits: my school never got enough participants, though I was happy with Thiesjoo
aCat: woah somone kicked from legend?
ashikujjaman: MSmits I want to find a maximum length path where all node is 1
can I do it with one dfs
struct: yes aCat
wlesavo: school, not many people had time to participate this time, last time we were 2nd
aCat: less people now
MSmits: oh, nice wlesavo
MSmits: 2nd
MSmits: ashikujjaman what do you mean 1?
MSmits: node = 1?
MSmits: you mean each node counts as 1?
ashikujjaman: cosider a graph have all node 0 and 1
MSmits: and you want to find the path with the most nodes?
MSmits: hm ok
wlesavo: but last time it was different because many people were only participating by company
Scarfield: 0 = not visited, 1 = visited?
ashikujjaman: no
MSmits: so it's just a property true or false ashikujjaman?
ashikujjaman: 1 not visited 0 visited
MSmits: oh
aCat: we defended #1 uni :-)
MSmits: gj
eulerscheZahl: aCat you might miss the following players:
kord
mataranga
FrenchKiss
wlesavo: wow, pb already made alternative ranking post
Marchete: well, wroclaw is a lot higher than 2nd place
ashikujjaman: @MSmits can I personally message you
Marchete: 38k vs 36k
MSmits: yes
eulerscheZahl: he's about to cleanup his script and then share that too. how the alternative ranking is done
Anonymous_007: Anyone can help me solved it C++?
eulerscheZahl: i'm 14th in official vs 11th in alternative
eulerscheZahl: 2nd and 3rd switched
MSmits: ah, not too bad
MSmits: was expecting worse
eulerscheZahl: expect for 2nd/3rd, top7 is consistent
aCat: not so much, they are 36.9
BenjaminUrquhart: "So this is not about where the pac was, but where it wasn’t."
MSmits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZe5J8SVCYQ
journeyvivek: hello
journeyvivek: khoi hindi bath karthe
MSmits: lol BenjaminUrquhart
wlesavo: lol im exactly at the same place
struct: So long since i used SDK :'(
aCat: I know the pain struct
aCat: everything is forgotten
eulerscheZahl: the SDK changed a lot since locam anyways
struct: The statement live editor
struct: is great
struct: I wish I had it while I made Yavalath statement
eulerscheZahl: doesn't work for leagues
BenjaminUrquhart: fall challenge appears to be a solo puzzle btw
struct: I enjoy having full rules at start
struct: so it doesnt bother me
aCat: where is this live editor oO
aCat: never heard of it
Uljahn: did you know zuko3D used neural networks in LoCaM contest (one for pick and another for play)? he told us today on ru, so we asked him to write a pm...
struct: http://localhost:8888/statement.html
eulerscheZahl: and ceg complains about the alternative ranking already
eulerscheZahl: there is also stub.html
aCat: thanks i will remember about this trick
eulerscheZahl: no. you will forget it when you need it
aCat: hey
aCat: i bookmarked it :D
aCat: (but yes, you're true)
wlesavo: there also is a http://localhost:8888/stub.html
cegprakash: me is disappointed
cegprakash: https://forum.codingame.com/t/spring-challenge-2020-feedback-strategy/184113/39?u=cegprakash
eulerscheZahl: "there is also stub.html"
thanks wlesavo ;)
wlesavo: oh
wlesavo: i need to learn to read
wlesavo: :slight_smile:
struct: I decided to allow both viewer types for Yinsh
struct: both line viewer and hex
struct: You will be able to change
eulerscheZahl: cegprakash the alternative ranking is purely based on your measured performance of the last submission in the arena
eulerscheZahl: https://pastebin.com/4Kxk7x2r
MSmits: Yinsh doesnt have hidden information does it?
struct: no
MSmits: great
eulerscheZahl: a toggle?
struct: yes euler
eulerscheZahl: cool
wlesavo: ceg you shouldve keept a lucky submition before rerun started, anyway thats what i did, otherwise i would join you at the bottom
MSmits: when do you aim to have it finished? Want me to take a look at it? I wont code an entire bot yet, but just at your description and the game rules?
struct: 3 days
MSmits: allright, warn me when i should be looking at it
cegprakash: where is the ranking eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: where is which ranking?
eulerscheZahl: the chart as text?
cegprakash: it has 3000 lines
cegprakash: u said alternate ranking
eulerscheZahl: that's p1 p2 with winrate
eulerscheZahl: this fine was used to generate the alternative ranking
eulerscheZahl: so when you got lots of losses there, you will be at the bottom
cegprakash: I did not even get matches
cegprakash: I rarely lost
MSmits: cegprakash it's sad you got stuck at low legend, but still quite an achievement to even get to legend. This is a big contest with strong competition. Well done.
aCat: legeeend .....
aCat: so near so far......
aCat: ;(;(;(
MSmits: even top gold is not easy here aCat
MSmits: not with 5k size
MSmits: 150 gold in this contest is equivalent to 50 legend in a normal contest
MSmits: because 3x size
eulerscheZahl: closer to 2x
MSmits: depends, xmas rush was 1k
MSmits: so 5x
eulerscheZahl: and assuming that the new players are equally skilled as the veterans
MSmits: i think it drew more good players as well
eulerscheZahl: the topcoder guys were strong, no doubt
MSmits: it's kind of weird, the last few contests went worse for me than the first few even though I think I got better. Maybe slightly less obsessed. Can it be the opposition is better than when i started 2 years ago?
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl did u invite them
cegprakash: how did they get to know
Insufficient: i found this website from errichto's youtube videos
Insufficient: he is a strong competitive coder and active on a lot of the sites like topcoder etc
MSmits: Insufficient how do you like CG so far?
[CG]Thibaud: yeah he streamed a few challenges before
MSmits: It's basically all i know
cegprakash: MSmits u are probably better at working with non hidden information games
[CG]Thibaud: he told me he hadn't the time for Spring Challenge this time
MSmits: cegprakash could be true yes
Insufficient: it's really great and different from other stuff i've seen, and it's a really nice mix of competitive programming and gaming in a way
cegprakash: I am usually good with board games. That's why this rank is disappointing for me
Insufficient: and it's an interesting community of people with different skills and backgrounds
MSmits: agreed
AntiSquid: what about the streamer i suggested [CG]Thibaud ? were you worried you get too many participants? :p
Marchete: a lot of hobbyist coders, like smits
Marchete: a bit weird
[CG]Thibaud: I lacked a bit of time
eulerscheZahl: whom did you suggest AntiSquid?
Marchete: but they are much better than others
[CG]Thibaud: Ocean of Code didn't help
[CG]Thibaud: Sendex
MSmits: are you saying I'm weird Marchete
MSmits: or is it weird that there are a lot of hobbyist coders
MSmits: or both?
eulerscheZahl: or do you want a lawyer?
MSmits: lol
struct: hmm this design doesnt look bad does it?
struct: http://www.brettspielwelt.de/img/Hilfe/Anleitungen/Yinsh/image1.jpg
MSmits: I do prefer when the cells are visible a bit more clearly
MSmits: unless there is a debug mode or something
MSmits: In the other Y, the layout of the board is very clear
struct: Ill see what I can do
struct: I need to fix referee first before i go into design
MSmits: sure
MSmits: take it easy
struct: Thanks for the feedback
MSmits: quality > speed
Marchete: I say it's weird a hobbyist outperforms 99% of paid coders
MSmits: oh ok
MSmits: well i'm weird too, so that would be ok
MSmits: i'm not a total hobbyist anymore since i am studying to be a CS teacher
MSmits: working on an AI class now
MSmits: well i did everything in 4 days so i am mostly waiting for the test
Marchete: you know what I mean
MSmits: yeah i knoe
MSmits: it is strange
eulerscheZahl: you will forget all the content again till your exam
AntiSquid: how many of them are coders and not just students / other kind of IT staff ?
MSmits: eulerscheZahl 50% that was in the class i already knew, so its not that much risk
eulerscheZahl: i'm kidding
MSmits: i know that too :P
jrke: hey any body knows how to gain charge in OOC i just started OOC plz
MSmits: oh, thiesjoo said he was maybe going to pick a CG game for his research project for the final year of high school
MSmits: to test some search algorithm
AntiSquid: euler this streamer https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfzlCWGWYyIQ0aLC5w48gBQ and unlike codingbullet who has 2 million, he has far more useful content
struct: MOVE DIR SKILL_TO_CHARGE
MSmits: kinda cool
AntiSquid: 2 mil followers i meant
dbdr: codingbullet is entertaining, not informative :)
jrke: what struct
struct: you output
AntiSquid: what would you call instafluff dbdr ?
struct: "move dir skill_to_charge"
jrke: K
jrke: thanks
dbdr: who's instafluff?
AntiSquid: a streamer
MSmits: it's the gerbil guy!
dbdr: what's gerbil?
AntiSquid: the one with clouds and plushies and balloons all over the screen
AntiSquid: he has no gerbil lol
MSmits: he did have a gerbil
MSmits: sec
AntiSquid: basically a rodent dbdr
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2020/leaderboard/global
MSmits: rank 36
dbdr: :D
MSmits: gerbil
AntiSquid: maybe he is awesome streamer for kids
SujalAI: is the pacman thing back
AntiSquid: that's not the streamer though, it's one of his minions who follow him
struct: Does the gerbil work on chat 🐹?
MSmits: oh it's a hamster AntiSquid
dbdr: wait, #36 is a logo
MSmits: it's hamster guy
MSmits: :hamster:
AntiSquid: #525 gold
AntiSquid: that's the streamer
SujalAI: Is the pacman thing back as a game?
AntiSquid: https://www.twitch.tv/instafluff dbdr
MSmits: then he got beat by his minion hamster guy
dbdr: not yet I think SujalAI
Uljahn: yes, for premium accounts
MSmits: can you have a hamster in your name?
dbdr: I just finished implemented two tracking features I did not have time for, just had to
dbdr: so waiting for the multi too :)
MSmits: ouch, i cant do that dbdr, i dont want to risk getting a bot that is much better, then regretting not coding it sooner
dbdr: lol
dbdr: I usually don't
PrivateBrocolliOfDoom_bb03: i cant even beat the art one
dbdr: now it just felt right
MSmits: ah ok
MSmits: Illedan always continues after hash code
MSmits: after the deadline
AntiSquid: MSmits it's more like a sorcerer conjuring a powerful demon hamster lol
MSmits: I see
dbdr: next step requires a time machine
PrivateBrocolliOfDoom_bb03: im gonna do the labyrinth
MSmits: good puzzle to learn from PrivateBrocolliOfDoom_bb03
dbdr: that pseudo :D
sha-man: guys, in the first thor puzzle, the position of thor in a given moment is equal to the initial variable ???
AntiSquid: well it is a super food MSmits
MSmits: a hamster is?
MSmits: dont think the hamster would agree
AntiSquid: brocolli
MSmits: o
elderlybeginner: how to turn off editor suggestions?
MSmits: sha-man, you need to update the initial position every time you output a move
MSmits: otherwise it stays the same
PrivateBrocolliOfDoom_bb03: i cant solve power of thor ;-;
sha-man: ohh....
sha-man: jeez... wish the problem told me that 2 hours ago
MSmits: it helps if you output error messages, they dont count as normal output
MSmits: you can use this to debug and learn how the input/output system work
jrke: when it will be released as classic game
PrivateBrocolliOfDoom_bb03: temp
sha-man: I thought the initial variable keeps updating as he moves :S
MSmits: no, the only thing that happens is that you are given input
MSmits: everything else you have to do yourself
struct: sha-man, only the stuff inside the while loop keeps updating
struct: In some games this is the case
struct: and some puzzles
MSmits: so the input gets assigned to some variable, usually local, so you need to make it global or store it somewhere outside the loop
MSmits: that is, if the puzzle gives new input over several "turns"
MSmits: not sure what thor is like
MSmits: too long ago
BenjaminUrquhart: WakaTime: [weekly] report for 2020-05-11 until 2020-05-17 (no data)
BenjaminUrquhart: sounds right
MSmits: What's a waka?
Hjax: the noise pacman makes when he moves around? wakawakawakawaka
ZarthaxX: lmao
MSmits: ohh true
MSmits: wakawakawaka
cegprakash: Bronze was too hard league considering tons of ppl stuck there. There should definitely be a Bronze II and Bronze I
AntiSquid: so shakira is a pacman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpeEdMmmQ0
AntiSquid: oh league divisions would be nice, but playing people only with 100 ranks range is also nice
struct: Yeah
struct: we need 100 leagues
dbdr: 5k leagues
dbdr: only remaining problem is the ordering of the leagues
AntiSquid: no need if you only play people around your rank
AntiSquid: much easier fix
struct: Maybe 1 league per player?
dbdr: ^
AntiSquid: why just 1
AntiSquid: if you want a trainwreck do it properly
eulerscheZahl: i want a single player. not bothering with other players in my match
struct: Wow great idea, we should take with cg
struct: talk*
AntiSquid: FOW mitigation ? what's that? zasmu mentions it in his PM
eulerscheZahl: fow 0 fog of war
eulerscheZahl: =
AntiSquid: bloody acronyms ...
eulerscheZahl: damn TLAs
eulerscheZahl: but i agree. i tend to spell out words when i'm not sure everyone will understand them
eulerscheZahl: i even write coders strike back instead of CSB usually
eulerscheZahl: at least when talking to newbies
dbdr: single player, right. we could call it, I don't know.... optim? :)
eulerscheZahl: that sounds too competitive
eulerscheZahl: almost like having leagues
dbdr: puzzle?
eulerscheZahl: yeah. let's have a puzzle contest. but without the time pressure thing
eulerscheZahl: everyone is a winner
Illedan: Anyone started to make a pacman Optimization yet?
Illedan: 1-5 pacmans, clear the map as fast as possible
Illedan: only movement
eulerscheZahl: nah
kovi: psyho will win that
AntiSquid: contest wasn't far from that
MonZtaDeluxe: is somehow the ide down?
MonZtaDeluxe: or is it me only
eulerscheZahl: someone wanted to make a code a la mode optim
BenjaminUrquhart: contest ended MonZtaDeluxe if that's what you're trying to do
Illedan: too wierd controls in calm
MonZtaDeluxe: i'm in code4life game
BenjaminUrquhart: ah
Illedan: pac is just 1 cell moving
AntiSquid: sometimes it breaks, you need to refresh MonZtaDeluxe
eulerscheZahl: collisions?
BenjaminUrquhart: it's talking longer than usual for it to load for me
MonZtaDeluxe: (i refresh 3x already) nvm - i have my code offline so i will try later
Illedan: make them simpler euler
Illedan: let them move in the sequence of actions..
AntiSquid: the viewer bugged a lot during contest
Illedan: only collide if the next is occupied
eulerscheZahl: you mean no parallel movement?
AntiSquid: maybe they should collect fluff instead of pellets too ?
JBM: no parallel fifths!!!
SujalAI: Has anyone used ML?
JBM: sorry flashback
Illedan: parallell, but 1 by 1 on the same frame :D
thethiny: is the link to play the competition for fun up?
BenjaminUrquhart: not yet
thethiny: thanks
Illedan: eulerscheZahl has a contribution
Illedan: if you wanna play
eulerscheZahl: should be soon. announced for today
BenjaminUrquhart: also the IDE died for me so that's cool
thethiny: I'm tryna make an offline interface for brutaltester
eulerscheZahl: i did a cleanup on my contributions :D
thethiny: where you can convert the output json into replays
Illedan: ah
eulerscheZahl: you just have to start the webserver (part of the SDK) and place the json file in a folder where the SDK finds it
thethiny: or you can load the frame and give it the json file
thethiny: since replays are basically json loaders
AntiSquid: huge CP boost tomorrow
thethiny: the referee code already contains the js and assets
AntiSquid: oh i failed once again to reach top 50, but didn't try as hard this time at least
eulerscheZahl: i think this time top50 was harder than usual
AntiSquid: but i feel like i massively fucked up more than usual
dbdr: indeed, only 50 people succeeded
BenjaminUrquhart: such a profound statement
struct: There are plenty of multies you can get top 50 easily
struct: without any effor
struct: t
cegprakash: what are they struct
cegprakash: someone cheated and beat me on country ranking
cegprakash: I need to beathim
Csipcsirip: lol dbdr
wlesavo: first 68 succeeded
struct: The ones that dont have 50 players
GeekNbOne: Anybody has achievement not updated after a puzzle?
cegprakash: here is my exact code that finds the best move
I used in spring challenge
https://prnt.sc/sj4sck
AntiSquid: so you have a random search
cegprakash: yes for 23 ms I do random search
cegprakash: followed by 23ms on mutations
cegprakash: a validSim is a sim where I don't self collide
cegprakash: because I don't know how to handle that in the eval
Csipcsirip: why dont u just goto to the bottom of the while. goto is fun
Csipcsirip: if(validsim) no fun
cegprakash: haha
Csipcsirip: you can make a matrix of occupied cell history btw. so you can exclude moves where you'd collide, instead of handling collision later
cegprakash: I felt this was easier
cegprakash: what u say might work
cegprakash: but again
cegprakash: u'll have to ignore many simulations
cegprakash: oh wait..
cegprakash: getRandomSolution function may be slow
cegprakash: if we do what u say
Csipcsirip: you should prune moves anyways
Csipcsirip: not fully random
SujalAI: Has anyone done code vs zombies?
SujalAI: I'm stuck on split second reflex
Csipcsirip: you can read what top players did back then
Csipcsirip: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/code-vs-zombies-feedback-strategies/1089
Frankly: is the spring challenge going to stay online? it looks like the arena is still available
struct: They will release it tomorrow
aCat: nice
aCat: will it finally get some name?
wlesavo: aPac
dbdr: I call is pac2020
wlesavo: nice one
wlesavo: like warcraft2000
MSmits: PacWars2020
MSmits: I see you're back to being a pussy wlesavo
MSmits: or didnt you change your avatar before?
wlesavo: the other one was also a pussy
eulerscheZahl: finally the old wlesavo is back
wlesavo: changed it after the end of recalc
eulerscheZahl: still cached
MSmits: ah ok
eulerscheZahl: struct 08:03PM
They will release it tomorrow
not today?
eulerscheZahl: oh, just saw it on discord
tutubalin: somebody mentioned me here, but i cannot see message now
tutubalin: could you please repeat your message?
eulerscheZahl: i can mention you now if it makes you happy.
eulerscheZahl: tutubalin
struct: I think someone said you reached wood 1 in 100 lines of js
tutubalin: are, yes )
i will post my code in post mortem
tutubalin: eulerscheZahl thank you! i mention you back )
eulerscheZahl: :wave:
d0npr0n: Where can I continue improving my Bot for the Spring challenge? Cant seem to find it...
eulerscheZahl: tomorrow
eulerscheZahl: will be in compete/multiplayer
d0npr0n: ah ok, thanks
Csipcsirip: is there an existing UCB algorithm where the node tree is not a tree but a 2d grid, or I invented something new ?
struct: how does it work?
Csipcsirip: basically thats all. 2d array of visits and rewards. and I have an extra 2d array of visit counts of cells in the actual simulation. to punish in the UCB formula the cells, that are visited multiple times in one iteration.
Csipcsirip: I came up with the idea during the contest but didnt know how to handle crosses that should be visited multiple times
Csipcsirip: it converges pretty quickly 200 itereaion with 40 depth. cant wait to try it out in pacman multi
MSmits: not sure if it is compatible with traditional mcts type algorithms
MSmits: but it sounds interesting
Csipcsirip: oh and I have a separate matrices for each pacman. and each pacman gets a percentage of other pacmans rewards
MSmits: sounds a bit like how i did PCR
MSmits: basically my smitsi algorithm with a score per chip and an overall team score, but my way doesnt work that well on grids where movement can be blocked
MSmits: if you can do something similar but with a fix, i'd be very interested in reading about it
Csipcsirip: yeah I got the idea from smitsimax. thats what I used in contest
MSmits: ohh
Csipcsirip: with this "colllaboration coefficien"
MSmits: but you didnt use actual smitsimax right? an idea that just shared some similarities?
MSmits: because i've been telling people it wont work for spring challenge
MSmits: I would feel guilty :P
Csipcsirip: I think its very similar to smitsimax. ucb tree for each pacmans
MSmits: ah ok
Csipcsirip: pacmen*
MSmits: but dont they get in eachothers way?
Csipcsirip: no because of they get a percentage of other pacs rewards
MSmits: hmm ok
KnightMoves: I also used Smitsimax 😄
MSmits: lol
KnightMoves: I did have to make some changes, but it got me to legend
eulerscheZahl: you are a new user, do you even know what that is? :D
MSmits: well it shouldn't work, the fact that you guys got it to work, is your achievement :)
KnightMoves: Luckily he wrote an article about it! I found a link to it on the one of the other challenges, and thought it would be good for this contest
MSmits: good thought apparently
MSmits: reminds me of xmas rush where half the top 10 used it even though it shouldnt have worked there either
Csipcsirip: I needed a very strong rollout heuristics tho. struggled with it for days
MSmits: I guess it's because nothing really *works* in games like this. You start with some idea and adapt it until it does what you want, but nothing is perfect
Quidome: I don't get XP for solved puzzles at the moment
jacek: oO
karliso: I guess it's because nothing really *works* in games like this. ---- so true, I wasted so much time trying various adnavced search approaches none all of which gave significant improvement.
KnightMoves: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/9d31fb82-2d22-4772-9e2f-48f4de3d6ba1
KnightMoves: i guess you can't send long messages...
MSmits: i read it, yeah you could be right
MSmits: reading other people's PM, there are many valid approaches here
jacek: ifletons for the win
MSmits: ifletons?
eulerscheZahl: if else
MSmits: o
karliso: What I tried was: use my tracking to build a potential opponent game state and then search from his side... the use his moves and simulate my turn to make good moves... and so on recursively deeper..
karliso: But it wasn't any better than simple approach.
MSmits: i was afraid it wouldn't be so I tried to keep it simple. Simple was hard enough
MSmits: also damn... what did you do to uttt :P
karliso: I improved by base code, was working on it for a while.
MSmits: ohh ok
karliso: MSmits GW=96,26% [ W=94,25% L=1,72% D=4,02% ] [522]
Nagrarok GW=96,61% [ W=94,92% L=1,69% D=3,39% ] [531]
shummie GW=96,62% [ W=95,06% L=1,83% D=3,11% ] [547]
-- TOTAL -- GW=96,50% [ W=94,75% L=1,75% D=3,50% ] [1600 games] [2 crash(es)]
karliso: From white side
MSmits: wow thats crazy
eulerscheZahl: what game is this?
MSmits: uttt
karliso: I feel mentally exhausted, feel like need a break.
MSmits: take a break so i can figure out whats different about your bot :P
MSmits: but grats
karliso: btw, I found a weakness in your opening book from a white side...
MSmits: i do too
MSmits: i found it already
MSmits: its my teccles heuristic
MSmits: its imperfect
MSmits: beatable
eulerscheZahl: oh, you are first again. congrats!
karliso: No, I meant you said you have 100% as white
MSmits: in your old bot
MSmits: that version I did a 300 game cg bench against you and won all 300
MSmits: as p1
MSmits: as soon as you change 1 thing it no longer holds of course
karliso: Yea, but I didnt take moves back.. but added even more
MSmits: ahh I see
MSmits: you do realize that makes it easy for me to counter you again?
karliso: Now the forced line is eve nlonger.. :D
MSmits: best is to have less moves
MSmits: instead of more
karliso: yeah, but i can turn it off any time
MSmits: true
MSmits: btw
karliso: Just trying to make a point.
MSmits: something has been bugging me and also re curse
MSmits: do you really get 400k rollouts during a normal turn?
MSmits: we think that has to be impossible, especially re curse who has been trying hard to get his higher a while ago... it helped a bit but nowhere enough
KnightMoves: on turn 2?
MSmits: yes
jacek: 400k? and here i am poor within 15k
karliso: I think rollout count is not that important, but I do get a lot
KnightMoves: the highest i could get is 20k...
MSmits: I get 130k at the most with a good cpu and I think re curse about 180k or more
KnightMoves: are there any good resources for how to optimize like that? I did pretty much every thing i could think of and hit a limit
MSmits: c++ ?
KnightMoves: yeah
KnightMoves: i'm using bitboards
jacek: GCC optimizations?
MSmits: making the random rollout fast is important
MSmits: its quite costly
KnightMoves: yeah i use #pragma GCC optimize "O3,omit-frame-pointer,inline"
jacek: yours random? i thought it was 1-ply win
MSmits: huh what?
MSmits: i dont always get jacek humor :P
darkhorse64: On oware
jacek: if can win, use that move. otherwise random
MSmits: oh
jacek: or your rollouts are compleetely random
karliso: My 1st turn could look like this:
karliso: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/71b8984d-9227-403c-912a-d3025cc778f1
MSmits: hmm it's quasi random yes
MSmits: but what are these countes karliso?
MSmits: do you rollout a game all the way to the end and count that as a single visit?
jacek: not everything i say is humorours
karliso: More or less
eulerscheZahl: is that a joke jacek?
MSmits: no i know, i just dont get it right away jacek :P
JBM: i found it funny
JBM: not sure if joke tho
MSmits: karliso do you use fancy AVX stuff or other tricks noone knows about? No need to tell them
karliso: I do use AVX for node selection only
MSmits: oh I tried that
MSmits: didnt get it to work properly
MSmits: well, it wasnt any faster anyway
MSmits: do you think it helped you a lot?
karliso: It was not a big improvement if i recall correctly
MSmits: also, do you rollout from 1 chid on each expansion or all children at once (like some other players). This second method gives way more rollouts
karliso: I have already answered this question before
MSmits: sorry
MSmits: i thought you said 1 child then
karliso: I said somethign else
MSmits: i just have a hard time understanding your high numbers
MSmits: was i online when you said this? I dont remember, or maybe i misunderstood
karliso: You asked me this
MSmits: oh
Astrobytes: (they don't call him Memory Smits for nothing :P )
MSmits: lol
MSmits: damn, i wish i'd remember, seems important
karliso: I feel like doing node selection for each node is not the right approach in this game.
MSmits: what do you mean node selection for each node?
MSmits: you somehow go down the tree differently?
MSmits: or wait... maybe you prune lots of moves
karliso: You could select one node and expand one child.
karliso: Which could probably give more accurate scores.
MSmits: you mean select it heuristically?
MSmits: to get better moves?
karliso: Yeah, one could select one child as heuristic
MSmits: like... expand a winning move first?
MSmits: that wins a miniboard
karliso: And rollout only 1, but I feel like you should expand al childs.
MSmits: hmm ok
karliso: Ahh, I think I misunderstood
karliso: You asked something else
MSmits: my question was mostly about how a rollout is defined, to somehow explain the high numbers
MSmits: but if you have to give away too much to even explain how you define a rollout, you shouldnt say
karliso: Select a node and rollout of each cild is defined as a separate count
MSmits: ok
MSmits: so you select a node, expand it, it gets 9 children and it counts as 9 visits because you do 9 playouts to end?
karliso: Roughly so
MSmits: ahhh, that totally explains the numbers!
MSmits: this is what darkhorse does and he insists it's better, while I cant get it to work better
MSmits: but i get many more rollouts that way
darkhorse64: I do that but I do not get 400k
MSmits: no, but i do get nearly twice as many and if i were re curse and adapted my bot i could get to 400k
MonZtaDeluxe: anybody got an idea in code4life how to decide if a sample is diagnosed or undiagnosed?
MonZtaDeluxe: i guess i'm too drunk to read this from the description
MSmits: karliso thanks for explaining, this has been bugging me for a while :)
eulerscheZahl: -1 value = undiagnosed
4candles: Hi all, I'm a beginner here and don't understand how I can debug to see the state of my variables at each frame. Can anyone help please?
MonZtaDeluxe: danke <3
darkhorse64: You mean my implementation sucks ? Guess you may be right :grimacing:
Hjax: try printing your variables to stderr 4candles
MSmits: no, i am saying both ours suck compared to re curses powerhouse :P
4candles: Thanks. I did, It just complains that it is not the output it is looking for.
Hjax: 4candles print to stderr not stdout
4candles: That is the bit I need help with :)
MSmits: but karliso is right, rollouts is less important than other factors
Hjax: what language are you using?
4candles: Python
MSmits: i just didnt like not knowing why the high numbers
eulerscheZahl: the default code should have a commented line directly before the print
Hjax: @4candles
import sys
sys.stderr.write(myvariable)
sys.stderr.flush()
4candles: thank you i will try it
4candles: that is different to the comment
eulerscheZahl: different ways to do the same thing
eulerscheZahl: flush is important though
Miarem: MSmits, i still don't see why there should be such be difference for rolling out 1 or all childs
Miarem: i tried both... and got more or less same numbers
Miarem: around 100k
MSmits: selection is expensive
MSmits: I think I got nearly 200k for rolling out all children
MSmits: selection goes less deep and happens far less ofte
Hjax: what game are we talking about? UTTT?
MSmits: yes
Miarem: it is not a game!
Miarem: don't dare to play with it
MSmits: it is life?
Miarem: indeed, it'll consume your life
jacek: dont play with it! youll get blind!
Miarem: :D
eulerscheZahl: it's Pandora's box
MSmits: so i was right Miarem
MSmits: i am not who you should watch out for in uttt :)
Astrobytes: More like the Hellraiser Puzzle Box
Miarem: by the way
MSmits: karliso is 5 points ahead of you and 2 points ahead of me :P
Miarem: whut!?
MSmits: yepp
KnightMoves: if you're rolling out all the children, do you still use UCT?
MSmits: yes, during selection
MSmits: its only the expanded node's children you roll out from
MSmits: so at most 9 rollouts at the start
MSmits: per iteration
MSmits: you just play more games per selection round
MSmits: it works in many games
Hjax: when i was messing around with UCT i wasnt sure if it was better to rollout all children or not
KnightMoves: yeah makes sense, i think i'll give that a try
karliso: Would be cool if someone challenged my bot.
WINWINWIN: multi out yet?
MSmits: I use it in Yavalath, which means a whopping 50+ rollouts per iteration at the start
eulerscheZahl: got delayed till tomorrow WINWINWIN
WINWINWIN: K
MSmits: challenged how? I will be researching your opening book at least karliso. Primarily not even to beat you, just because it interests me to figure out what makes someone win at this game
KnightMoves: besides making your bots play UTTT, have you played much?
MSmits: the teccles heuristic is really interesting to me also. Still not sure why it works
karliso: Well I dont have much of an opening book MSmits
KnightMoves: I'm curious if anyone has an intuitive sense for the game
Miarem: i'm accepting the challenge! : )
MSmits: hmm, then it is deterministic because of something else karliso
MSmits: your old version almost always did the same moves
karliso: the teccles heuristic is really interesting to me also. Still not sure why it works
karliso: I have some insights
jacek: teccless heuristic?
jacek: make move to the same board?
MSmits: it means when you're on an empty board, you send the opponent to the same board
MSmits: yes
Miarem: oh... that is forbidden knowledge!
karliso: * First, you don't want to win board by giving free move
karliso: This avoids it.
jacek: when i play against computer it seems its doing that
MSmits: but it's an opening game gambit... so there are no finished boards yet karliso
Miarem: so lucky to drop in here, tonight : )
karliso: * secondly (from a white player side) it increases variance.
Miarem: so many insights
karliso: * thirdly you usually dont want to win board 3 vs 0:
MSmits: ah yes that last one i did realize
MSmits: you want him to waste moves
karliso: Like you play board... and opponent sends you here again...
karliso: If you make 2 in a row... then if you play you either win 3 v 0 or make a useless move.. or he plays and he can block you
MSmits: makes sense yes
MSmits: up to now, i have never found proof of a situation where the teccles heuristic is weaker than another move
karliso: I have seen games...
MSmits: but I think it might be... not sure yet
MSmits: yes games, but i mean from a meta mcts perspective, running millions of games, doing research on this
karliso: But it is usually last open board or close to that .. and potentially some board has already been won
MSmits: i find better winrates for teccles heuristic
MSmits: oh, last open board yes
MSmits: that is possible
MSmits: you need to get quite deep to test that
MSmits: didnt get around to testing that deep yet
MSmits: well I'm glad someone else shares my fascination with this game :P
Miarem: Something wrong happened
(-2)
MSmits: lol
Miarem: this is what my uTTT page says
eulerscheZahl: the error code is -5 for you
Miarem: i know, it sounds like a lame excuse, but i can't load the multi : )
MSmits: oh lol, i thought you were kidding
MSmits: like euler is :)
Cappefra: ok I can now tell 100% that contests are amazing for improving algo skills
MSmits: for sure
Miarem: well, i keep refreshing the page, but results is the same
eulerscheZahl: and now you can read the forum to see what others did (if you haven't already)
MSmits: wont load for me either miarem
jacek: youre banned from uttt forever
MSmits: hehe
MSmits: it loaded!
Miarem: yeah, i got it as welll
Miarem: i think it's karliso's dirty hack
tutubalin: eulerscheZahl nice replay with 2 traps! i like your approach
MSmits: maybe :)
Miarem: i just wanted to watch some karliso-karliso games : )
MSmits: an unstoppable force vs immovable object?
eulerscheZahl: i even found a replay where i killed 3 out of 5 opponents. an still lost!
Miarem: exactly!
Miarem: it seems pretty predefined
Miarem: at turn 33 X get a win
Miarem: 5 games in a row
tutubalin: when i fixed a bug in enemy tracking, i dropped 600 places down
Miarem: and he doesn't call it an opening book?!
MSmits: well its possible it is deterministic
MSmits: might not be opening book
MSmits: sometimes bots will just always react the same way
MSmits: minimax is worse like that
Miarem: anyway, it is easy to overcome this
MSmits: I did it before, to all 3 of you, so yeah
MSmits: but i am more interested in just making my bot better
karliso: Actually It is opennig boook... but those 30 or so move from both sides is like half of my opening book moves, lol.
MSmits: by learning tricks about the game, better heuristics etc
MSmits: karliso, one time i noticed your games vs re curse went almost 20 deep with no change
MSmits: that was also a book i assume?
karliso: well... he plays a forced line....
MSmits: i know
MSmits: so you both did :P
karliso: if he didnt, i wouldt either
MSmits: same here :)
Miarem: all games and at 51st turn
MSmits: its a funyn situation
MSmits: funny
MSmits: you do realize us 4 are the only ones doing this
MSmits: the rest of uttt is book-clean
Miarem: pure kids
MSmits: and i cant write an opening book to counter any of them, a book is useless vs them
MSmits: i tried and it barely helps at all
karliso: Miarem you started this...
Miarem: i think i did
Miarem: i do regret it now
MSmits: yeah you even sometimes went on the board saying things like: "well this should last me a while" after you got nr 1
karliso: It is not like I have an opening book as much as I have Opening book vs thir opening book.
MSmits: i should have realized you just updated your book right then :)
Miarem: but i'm curious how deep can we get
4candles: Another beginner question (sorry).. is there a way to insert multiple cursor to comment or (un-comment) a block at once? Thanks.
karliso: MSmitss, nagraok, shummie don't have much of an opening book and I don't ahve anything vs them either
pb4: "MSmits 21H38
the teccles heuristic is really interesting to me also. Still not sure why it works"
jacek: ctrl+/ ?
MSmits: miarem i have books that go all the way to solved status
pb4: What is that ?
MSmits: against you 3 this happens sometimes
MSmits: or at least until my bot solves it during a normal game
MSmits: pb4 its when you play an empty board
MSmits: and you pick the cell that sends your opponent to the same board
Miarem: i also have solved entries in a book, but my book is a bit outdated
MSmits: its almost always the strongest move, karliso says it may fail om the last empty board or so, but i havent seen that yet
Miarem: ,if you wish
MSmits: Miarem yeah, do you still have that book where karliso wins the 1st board on ply 12?
MSmits: or so?
MSmits: that is what boosted him hard
Miarem: i can submit a bookless commit right now
karliso: MSmits I deleted that line from my side, it was no good
Miarem: i'm going to rewrite it anyway
MSmits: yeah i couldnt use it either
karliso: (from my side)
jacek: opening books contest? what is this, early computer chess tournament
MSmits: my meta mcts would not allow me to use the same move vs miarem
dbf: jacek, it is a data compression contest :)
MSmits: jacek, yeah it is a bit strange, we're hijacking chat to discuss opening books for a while now
MSmits: I'm not sorry though, its fun :P
karliso: btw, MSmits I think side openign as black as you do migh actually be a better move.
MSmits: yeah, i learned that from re curse
struct: When are you gonna play Yavalath?
MSmits: it seems to be better indeed
MSmits: oh wait
MSmits: do you mean first move?
karliso: ad black
MSmits: like next to center cross on the side?
karliso: yeah
MSmits: I have no idea if that is better. I did not explore it enough
MSmits: because noone uses it
MSmits: re curse had it for a while, then dropped it
Miarem: my mtcs doesn't aprove this move
MSmits: mine either atm, but i meant the second move as black
MSmits: you all pick corner
MSmits: but re curse picks middle edge
MSmits: that last one seems to be better for me
Miarem: he did for a while
MSmits: i mean on the corner board
MSmits: 4th ply
MSmits: p1 plays corner, using teccles, then you and kar liso play a corner as p2
MSmits: re curse does mid edge then
jacek: why do you put space after re
MSmits: ping
struct: jace k
jacek: Automaton2000 is it ok?
Automaton2000: trying to get it to work
MSmits: dont want to spam, i know you would like torment him about uttt, but I am a nice person :P
pb4: You don't want him to read your *confidential* strategic discussion ? :D
MSmits: re curse just really hates the game
MSmits: i honestly dont want to stress him out :0
pb4: Back to :popcorn:
derjack: him?
MSmits: yes, re curse is one of our top players, does many interesting things on CG
MSmits: like pb4
Miarem: i just noticed... there are 6 Unnamed Players in uTTT legend
MSmits: alt accounts?
jacek: maybe they couldnt get into content legent
karliso: Hate and love is related
jacek: why i cant type right
karliso: They are not the opposites
MSmits: I guess you're right in a way
karliso: The opposite of love is indifference
MSmits: jacek, what did you do to karliso
MSmits: he went all philosophical suddenly
Astrobytes: Very profound
jacek: i distract him from uttt
eulerscheZahl: you are 1 day too late
karliso: No, I cant think about any game. So exhausted after the competition.
Miarem: lol, jacek i studied in the same university!
jacek: in gdansk?
MSmits: I didn't code all day yesterday because I was already too exhausted, i know the feeling karliso
Miarem: yeap, had a year of my erasmus mundus
struct: Should I leave steal on Yinsh?
I think I asked this before
jacek: yes
jacek: its gonna occupy bookers for a while
karliso: MSmits, I coded all weeked. wanted to win very much, but I focused on the wrong things I believe. My approach was too complex.
MSmits: everyone did things wrong, looking from the PM's. Some people just did less wrong things than others :)
eulerscheZahl: struct we forget the rules every time when you ask once in a month
MSmits: but you did really well karliso, remember, it is 5k players
Hjax: the pacman game broke my brain
struct: euler this time Ill finish
struct: Im currently working on it
Hjax: too much uncertainty
Astrobytes: So true eulerscheZahl :D
karliso: I definitely had the best tracking I think.
struct: But to be fair I also forgot the rules :p
Astrobytes: lol ffs :D
struct: Yinsh has been on hold for 8 months
MSmits: did you post a PM karliso?
MSmits: you dont have to, just wondering
karliso: It is a bit painful to enumarate all my failed attempts to improve to search.
karliso: my search*
MSmits: very true
MSmits: sometimes it helps getting it out of your system though, it does for me
BenjaminUrquhart: Hjax I call it heuristic hell
MSmits: write through the pain!
karliso: it was a great learning experience though.
MSmits: same
MSmits: brb
Miarem: karliso, i asked before, but you didn't have a change to reply
Miarem: do you code on a daily basis?
Miarem: are software engineer?
karliso: Masters in math, self learned programmer, worked 1 year as a software engineer in a very strong team. Now unemployed
Brokolis: Why unemployed?
karliso: i have not been hired
BenjaminUrquhart: what kind of achievement is "thinker"
karliso: I look suspicious perhaps
JBM: Some form of populism
BenjaminUrquhart: oh forum likes
Brokolis: Just wondering if I can ever return to my country if master's graduate with experience cannot land a job
Astrobytes: "I look suspicious" :D
JBM: Some form of populism.
karliso: I got into CG year ago when they asked me to code Hypersonic bot as part of interview process.
JBM: You sure do
JBM: Wow hardcore
KobeL: astro, seeing your results in the competitions, you just are ;p
karliso: They were in 100ish positions and were very prod. I Made it to top 5 very soon and they still didnt hire me. :D
JBM: Have you gone with the now famous MOVE 0 0 strategy?
struct: lol
struct: They only want the best
struct: 1st or nothing
MSmits: karliso what the hell, they are nuts
JBM: Well it*did*get me to silver
MSmits: that hypersonic bot took me months to code
JBM: Make of that what you will
Brokolis: Which company if I may ask?
MSmits: and you beat it fast
Miarem: is it just me of JBM sounds like Automaton?
MSmits: he does
JBM: Can you tell us apart?
Miarem: is he?
struct: Yes, he is but with bigger delay
JBM: Let's call that that miarem test
Miarem: rofl
Astrobytes: KobeL I couldn't (and can't) participate effectively currently as I'm on dihydrocodeine for a back problem
JBM: Automaton2000 would you pass That test?
Automaton2000: do you have any idea how to do the first move
Miarem: i'm just reading a book on Turing test
JBM: Yeah it sure who lags the most TBH
KobeL: That's fair astro! I actually meant you did well
Miarem: karliso - aim for FAANG
dbf: I wish more companies ask to write Hyporsonic bots rather than whiteboard coding excercises
Astrobytes: Oh ok, not recently I'm afraid :D
Did you participate in this one KobeL?
Miarem: you can definetly aim there
Brokolis: FAANG is the onl ones actually worth jumping thorugh hoops for
JBM: But are they?
Miarem: yes JBM
MSmits: what is FAANG?
dbf: facebook, amazon etc
MSmits: sounds like a team of supervillains out of a comic book
Astrobytes: An extra long tooth MSmits
MSmits: ahh
MSmits: makes total sense now Astrobytes
Miarem: companies that a ready to give 6digit sum to SWE
dbf: it is not the easiest way to have 6digits, but probably not as boring as finance
MSmits: I wouldn't know what to do with all that money
MSmits: I'd just have maybe a server room to run more instances of meta mcts.
jacek: give it to me *.*
MSmits: yeah that
Miarem: buy an amazon cluster to solve uTTT
Miarem: :)
Astrobytes: I've got a 6-digit income. If I count digits after the decimal point.
MSmits: right
JBM: Miarem: please expand
MSmits: thats the only thing i can think of
MSmits: lol Astrobytes
jacek: thats why i would by gazillion cores
dbf: I created open-book for my utt at 20$/month VPS :)
Miarem: damn it, the THING learned my name
MSmits: lol nice dbf
BenjaminUrquhart: it knows
dbf: only because I hate noise of my desktop at night
struct: How much for your bot?
MSmits: my wife doesnt let me run it at night for the same reason :)
struct: Will 200$ do?
MSmits: and because she thinks it may catch fire
wlesavo: i got like 10 digits in binary
KobeL: @Astrobytes a very crude base to get into bronze, nothing more, loads of uni work/I prefer to stream and do some easier stuff
jacek: is it intel?
MSmits: mine is
MSmits: ys
dbf: I have PC in separate room now, but I don't want to touch my utt code anymore :)
MSmits: every few months i get a bunch of new ideas for uttt and i have to work on it
Astrobytes: All good KobeL, it's all about fun at the end of the day anyways ;)
struct: I can sleep with pc turned on, but I sleep with ear plugs
MSmits: it's like a recurring thing
struct: I once left it turned on for CvZ, with no success
dbf: I think I've done most of performance fixes avaiable in java, and have no good ideas about game play
KobeL: So true @Astrobytes
Miarem: MSmits, my bookless commit ended up at #15
jacek: convert to c++
MSmits: wow
Miarem: i got really addicted to that stuff
MSmits: my bookless bot beats re curse bot with book :P
jacek: try Y
MSmits: yours too
Miarem: : )
MSmits: just not karliso's
MSmits: he's too damned strong
Astrobytes: I don't leave my PC on at night currently as my second HD is failing and so had to reduce the pagefile size, and each day it fails more and throws a nice INPAGE_ERROR
struct: your uttt is bookless?
Miarem: but i'll keep it there, for the motivation purpose
dbf: jacek, if I convert is will be just another c++ bot, and my aim is #1 in java, but dbdr need to rewrite his bot in rust first
MSmits: not the one on the board currently struct
MSmits: but with cg bench tests i can test it without book
MSmits: and it does fine
struct: if you update book, will it beat karlis o?
MSmits: yes, as p1, 100%
MSmits: and then he will change something
MSmits: and its my turn
struct: Yeah, I see :/
MSmits: again
struct: shame
MSmits: but struct, the solution to this is to not have a book
MSmits: without a book you are invulnerable to this
Miarem: no : )
struct: Are you though?
MSmits: well you mostly are, i cant get a 100% winrate vs someone without a book
MSmits: as p1 that is
MSmits: the book makes you strong and vulnerable both
jacek: so philosophical
struct: True and also you need to book vs multiple players
struct: so
MSmits: but there's only 4 with books now
MSmits: the others dont, well at most 2 moves
MSmits: let me put it this way. If you have a book vs someone without one, you probably increase your winrate by 5-10% at most, I am thinking more like 5%
MSmits: but book vs book you get into 0 to 100% situations
Hjax: are the bookless uttt programs not vulnerable to some traps?
MSmits: uttt doesnt really have traps
Hjax: i see
MSmits: yavalath does
struct: also why 100% vs book?
Miarem: uTTTT is trap itself : )
MSmits: because I can start my meta mcts from their last book move struct, and then solve the game
struct: Ah I see
struct: So you make sure you go until his last book move and then improve your book after that move?
MSmits: impossible to do from ply 2
MSmits: exactly
Hjax: solution: generate lots of books and switch between them randomly
Hjax: and make your opponent really annoyed when they try to counter you
MSmits: not really a solution, I have room for hundreds of lines of play in my book. It's not even 5% filled
Astrobytes: Don't give Smits ideas Hjax
Astrobytes: :P
jacek: so not using unicode stuff yet?
MSmits: the counter books arent mutually exclusive, i just always let my meta mcts find the optimal line of play, so it doesnt hurt me
MSmits: nope
Hjax: i wont give him good ones, just bad ones, turns out i have more of the latter than the former
MSmits: 8 kb book
MSmits: no unicode
MSmits: hjax, we both had almost the same ideas on the last contest
MSmits: I could tell you nothing new almost
jacek: symmetry? i think there is not much symmetry in uttt except first or second mvoe
Hjax: yes, but yours worked and mine didnt
struct: I wonder if it will be possible to make opening books on Yinsh, there are 8×10e13 starting positions
Hjax: i blame java
struct: Considering symetries
Hjax: :P
MSmits: might be :)
MSmits: struct it's really hard to tell without knowing more about the game
Hjax: i should really learn C++ for these coding competition things
MSmits: yavalath has insane branching and yet its possible
Hjax: its just so hard when you are used to nice things like python and java
Astrobytes: 8×10e13 opening moves perhaps, but maybe not that many ones worth doing
struct: True, most positions on Yavalath are useless
struct: true Astrobytes
AntiSquid: we never had a physics game with hidden information :thinking: AutomatonNN
MSmits: Hjax it helps to do a few simple simulation games like uttt
AutomatonNN: can't find the problem
struct: Lets hope it stays this way AntiSquid
struct: But we have
struct: FB, CSB has hidden information
Hjax: i wrote... half of a UTTT program in C++ but didnt finish it
MSmits: Hjax i meant to practice c++ btw
MSmits: ah ok
AntiSquid: we'll see in 6 months
AntiSquid: CSB has hidden info how
MSmits: i did one in C# and converted it to c++
Hjax: i think i finished my board representation, but didnt finish my search
MSmits: thats easier than doing it from scratch
struct: You dont know if opponent has shielded
dbf: AntiSquid, what about CSB at night when you can rotate flashlight?
struct: on FB you dont know what speel he made
AntiSquid: oh perfct dbf
AntiSquid: that's the fall CG contest
MSmits: also hjax, i am pretty lousy at c++. I know just enough to do arenas with and mostly it goes ok on contests, though i still worry the game will be too complex
AntiSquid: contest name: Backlights are broken!
so pods with flash lights
struct: The next contest is 3d
Astrobytes: They seem to be obsessed with hidden info and FOW rn so I don't have high hopes for the 'fall' contest
jacek: FOW?
Hjax: the next contest will have meta fog of war, you dont get to see the game board, the rules, or your code
struct: fog of war
MSmits: I prefer if they didnt do hidden info, but I'll join anyway
Astrobytes: fog of war jacek
Astrobytes: lol Hjax
AntiSquid: i asked same question earlier today jacek, bloody acronyms
AntiSquid: first thought it's some algo
struct: collisions in this contest were a bit foggy
Astrobytes: Yes, it's the Find Other Ways algo AntiSquid
jacek: well, MuZero is about learning game without rules and yet it exceeded AlphaZero
MSmits: Mu?
MSmits: shouldn't they do Beta first?
AntiSquid: BetaZero sounds funny
MSmits: GammaZero?
MSmits: DeltaZero?
JBM: we've got all night
MSmits: Why mu.. seems overconfident
Astrobytes: MuZero is when they get cats to search
JBM: so lambdazero?
JBM: just a notch under overconfident?
Astrobytes: Baby sheep search
AntiSquid: you're a physicist MSmits you should know that constant / variable names aren't used in any particular order
JBM: or meaning, ftm
MSmits: i am not too sure of that
MSmits: we physicists used all of them multiple times :P
MSmits: but sure you're right :)
JBM: invent new ones!
JBM: that's where all the high-end research rage is
JBM: i'm sure
MSmits: true story, I quit an optional class at the university because they made me write this:
MSmits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_(letter)
MSmits: (capital, with all the squiggles)
wlesavo: constants is overrated, make new laws, not assign constants
AntiSquid: then the final openai bot is AbsoluteZero /s
JBM: writing doesn't have to be calligraphy
JBM: this is merely one squiggle more than the most common letter of quite a few languages
MSmits: I said to the professor, cant i just write "x"?
JBM: x is two bars
JBM: xi three
JBM: not so different
MSmits: nope he kept telling me you cant do general relativity without that sign
MSmits: i mean the other one
struct: Ξξ
Astrobytes: MSmits that's weak! I lived/worked in Corfu for 8 months and taught myself the alphabet and how to write it properly from food/household item ingredients! Fix your handwriting :P
Hjax: @MSmits should have gotten a stamp
MSmits: my handwriting is horrible, unfixable
struct: poor students
Astrobytes: Typical physicist :P
MSmits: Hjax that would have been a good idea yeah
JBM: dont get physicists mixed up with physicians there
Astrobytes: They have equally bad handwriting JBM
JBM: no siree
MSmits: physicians are worse imho
AntiSquid: wait aren't doctors the ones with worst handwriting ?
jacek: https://xkcd.com/669/
JBM: there.
wlesavo: MSmits wow, same here, i cant write, or at least others cant understand if i write smth
Astrobytes: Physician is a doctor...
AntiSquid: i mean doctors in general
JBM: not all physicists are doctors
MSmits: I can make myself understood reasonably well on a whiteboard if i dont write too many sentences and stick with formulas
MSmits: but i prefer to use powerpoints
Astrobytes: Medical doctors. ie. physicians, are generally not physicists
MSmits: in high school I had a teacher with an eye problem. He said he had a machine to enlarge handwiriting but he only used it to grade *my* tests
AntiSquid: really how many doctors do you know Astrobytes ?
AntiSquid: maybe they are all physicists
Astrobytes: 3, only one is a physicist, and he's not a medical doctor, he has a doctorate in physics :P
struct: Im a physicist aswell
MSmits: really?
JBM: whereas physicians... do they even have doctorates?
struct: no
JBM: i KNEW it
MSmits: lol
struct: But I have physicist handwriting
struct: if that counts
JBM: same by me
JBM: try telling us about the squiggles, just to be sure?
MSmits: sure, thats how i grade tests as well. I can't read this :poop: It's a 10!
JBM: that's... internationally vert ambiguous
JBM: *very
MSmits: highest grade :P
JBM: ok
MSmits: didnt want to use the stupid American system
struct: Even my numbers are hard to tell appart
JBM: or the equally arbitrary french one
MSmits: how does the French one work?
Astrobytes: JBM I prefer ambiguously green as per your original statement
JBM: typically 0-20
MSmits: ah ok
MSmits: at least it starts with 0
MSmits: ours starts with 1
MSmits: its silly
JBM: though some tolerance goes for primary school
JBM: and their lower ends
JBM: where 0-10 can be observed
MSmits: hmm ok
MSmits: thats best imho
MSmits: 1-10 is stupid as well... a 9 wide scale
JBM: all 10-17yo is on 0-20 guaranteed
MSmits: many of my colleagues, like language teachers have problems converting to a 9 wide scale
JBM: that's... well yeqh something else to get used to
Astrobytes: 1-10?!
JBM: think stars
MSmits: yeah, thats our system
MSmits: 1-10
JBM: you can't rate 0 stars
JBM: there wouldn't be anything to click on!
Astrobytes: lol
MSmits: mmmh good point
struct: Here is 0-100 until 9th grade then 0-20
JBM: so think deeply
MSmits: I like 0-100, takes care of decimals
JBM: should grqdes be considered cardinal or ordinal?
Astrobytes: But say a victim just puts nothing on their paper, what then?
JBM: you'vegot 20s
Astrobytes: *victim = student :P
MSmits: cardinal?
JBM: why not
MSmits: is that a ratio scale?
JBM: i mean both POVs are valid in ways
MSmits: when a victim puts nothing on their paper, they get 1 here
MSmits: or when they cheat
MSmits: it's really the lowest grade
JBM: oooooh we haven't debated that here
Astrobytes: They should be burned for cheating
JBM: what's "cheating"?
JBM: is it well-defined?
MSmits: copying someone elses stuff on a test :)
JBM: legal or moral?
Astrobytes: wrt?
JBM: we had a 2h debate on #fr, sparked by reminiscing that US chap who outsourced his job to china
MSmits: its funny how things are different with cheating in high school and college/university
JBM: 6-fig salary, 1/6 of which went to china
MSmits: in high school students consider it normal, in university they know it's really really bad
JBM: oh right
JBM: that debate sparked by whoever offered who;ever 200 $CUR for their pacman code
Astrobytes: Really?! In highschool if I'd cheated I would get an F
ZarthaxX: AstroF
JBM: but what *is* cheating?
JBM: was it clearly defined?
MSmits: thats true here too, but it's more of a game to them, if they can get away with it, they have no problem with cheating
Astrobytes: And probably face some kind of disciplinary
MSmits: in the university noone will even try, you get expelled
Astrobytes: That was a possibility in my highschool too MSmits
MSmits: not here
Astrobytes: This was a while ago mind
ZarthaxX: in uni 2 guys cheated on an exam
MSmits: also, i need to work pretty hard to prove that someone cheated
Astrobytes: Hey Zarthaxington of ZarthaxXia
ZarthaxX: the fuck is that name LMAO
struct: Here you only get in trouble for plagiarism really
struct: Rest is not a big deal
Astrobytes: I'm trying to be creative
ZarthaxX: hai astrobytopus
MSmits: it's almost the same thing though struct
Astrobytes: Oh I like that one ZarthaxX
ZarthaxX: :)
ZarthaxX: dinosaur like
MSmits: i was thinking more of a seacreature ZarthaxX
JBM: next you're gonna tell us you could cure cancer but don't wanna
struct: I guess, but they only consider it if you copy works or something
JBM: but what's copying
MSmits: hmm ok struct
JBM: take an alg exam
ZarthaxX: MSmits mhmmhm
ZarthaxX: maybe
struct: ZarthaxX I need your designer expertise
JBM: how many possible distinct solutions can you consider?
ZarthaxX: oh mai
ZarthaxX: what are you doing
struct: I need you to make 3D Yinsh board
ZarthaxX: D:
ZarthaxX: how is that
MSmits: you know whats funny. I only ever made one website, about black holes (its no longer up) and one time I caught a student copying from this site for an assignment and he didnt realize it was my website :P
Astrobytes: I did some chemistry stuff with the Open University a few years ago, and my first assignment I was failed and reported for cheating. I'd used LaTeX and (we had to submit doc/docx) embedded my formulas as images
struct: Ill pay well
struct: 200$
Astrobytes: I had to send my professor the LaTeX file and some screenshots
JBM: wow
JBM: depressing in too many ways
MSmits: thats annoying Astrobytes, it worked out in the end?
Astrobytes: Yes, but no more pretty LaTeX
Astrobytes: I mean I'd used it fine for previous mathematics courses with no problems at all
MSmits: i like LateX, but you need to work regularly with it to be fast with it
Astrobytes: So I assumed it would be fine with the chemical notation plugin
struct: I searched latex, went to images
JBM: i wrote some latex formulae yesterday
struct: not good
JBM: for the first time in...
MSmits: lol
JBM: decades
JBM: good thing we have wikibooks now
Astrobytes: I'm wayyyyy rusty in it now
Cappefra: I didn't mind writing my thesis with LaTeX
JBM: as msmits said
JBM: it's fine when you're bathed in it all the time
Cappefra: right
JBM: it's hard to quit and come back
Astrobytes: yep
MSmits: I wrote my thesis in it also
ZarthaxX: struct talk to me later, im in class now :P
MSmits: no talking during class!
JBM: that's no time for class
JBM: how dare you have another TZ
JBM: mmm
JBM: need more :beer:
struct: I was joking btw ZarthaxX
struct: Dont worry
Astrobytes: Time for my pain meds, also goes well with a couple of beers if you fancy getting up late the next day :P
MSmits: yeah I gotta get going also, finish some work and get some sleep
MSmits: gn Astrobytes
MSmits: and everyone else
struct: gn
Astrobytes: Oh I'm still awake, takes an hour or so to kick in
ZarthaxX: aight struct :P
ZarthaxX: cya guys
JBM: pain meds? what did i miss?
Astrobytes: Got a terrible lower back issue JBM, had to go to hospital and everything. Been ongoing since end of last year, had numbness in limbs and such
JBM: ouch :|
Astrobytes: Tests ruled out all the worst things thankfully, but still not got to the bottom of the issue yet
JBM: yeah i see what you mean
JBM: well keep in there
Astrobytes: Yep, taking each day as it comes as always
JBM: that's the way
Astrobytes: Was annoying since I got put on the strong meds a few days before the contest
JBM: like, they impair your coding ability?
Astrobytes: You could say that. Dihydrocodeine.
JBM: like the house thing
Astrobytes: How I managed to get Bronze is an achievement for me under those circumstances.
Astrobytes: House thing? Like Dr House?
JBM: yay
JBM: diddn't codeine before him
JBM: *know
Astrobytes: Hah. Well, dihydrocodeine is a stronger version of codeine
JBM: ok
Astrobytes: Horrible stuff. Also on high dose naproxen (and omeprazole to counter any GI issues from that)
Astrobytes: And diazepam at bedtime so I can sleep. And I can only sleep on the sofa right now, as I can't get out of bed if I lie down flat
JBM: ah, valium
JBM: had to wikipedia
Astrobytes: And just to make things that little bit more fun, I bruised a rib on my computer chair arm while picking up my cat the other day. Happy days :P
Astrobytes: I'd rather the bruised rib than the back *any day*
Astrobytes: Anyway, enough of my moagning
Astrobytes: *moaning
JBM: yeah, good luck finding a night
Astrobytes: A beer or 2 (no more) plus the meds helps a bit.
JBM: yeah helps me too
JBM: hard not to abuse
JBM: though
Astrobytes: I've had my times
JBM: especially with that lockdown and me buying better beer for the occasion
Astrobytes: Indeed :D
Astrobytes: You on some medication also?
JBM: not anything i'd discuss here
JBM: wait, does beer count?
JBM: i'm on beer
Astrobytes: PM if you like, I am also on other medication
JBM: my line's open
AntiSquid: imagine working from home and being drunk on the job without anyone knowing AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: but i will give his time to train a bot
AntiSquid: train bot drunk resulted in pacman gold league
AntiSquid: that's why it's so random, everyone was drunk
Astrobytes: Hm, might try that strategy next time
Astrobytes: Anyway, gn
mohammadhei05: hello
JBM: hey
Snef: Hello
MadKnight: hey Snef
MadKnight: how's your new cool game Snef ?
Snef: haven't started it yet
MadKnight: why?
Snef: because i had only little free time these days
Snef: i spent a bit on the contest but that's pretty much it
Evansj306: Hello Everyone! :)
MadKnight: hey Evansj306
JBM: med
JBM: (heya)
JBM: how are you up this late
MadKnight: gonna sleep soon
JBM: spokojnoj
Doumaki: hello guys i need some help understanding something
JBM: you look like you do
Doumaki: what's that 10**20
Doumaki: someone just beat me in 2min in clash of C , it too me 12mins
Doumaki: he used
variable = 10**20
he used python
iiAviator: power
c0cainee: 10**20 is 10^20
iiAviator: 10 to the power of 20
iiAviator: Yup
DragonJ: why in CSB when I print a checkpoint it just does circles around it
Snef: because you can only turn 18°
Snef: so if you have enough speed you'll just orbit around it
DragonJ: well the person with a speed of 5 did it to
Snef: speed of 5 ? thrust is between 0 and 100
DragonJ: thrust of 5 yeah
Snef: if you print MOVE cpX cpY 5 it'll not circle around it
Snef: you circle around it because you have too much speed
DragonJ: circling was what me and the opponent with 5 thrust was doing
Snef: can you copy a replay ?
Snef: there is an icon to share
DragonJ: I hit replay same map and map switched what???
DragonJ: just multiple glitches in a row is what I think happened
Snef: https://pasteboard.co/J90KShy.png
DragonJ: am stuck in bronze near top beat boss every three matches and than the losses are very weird
Snef: look the url i paste
Snef: click on that button and paste the url
DragonJ: my code is 6 lines and I still have wacky things happen...
Snef: show me your code atleast
Snef: i can't help you without information
DragonJ: https://codeshare.io/2KE97o
Snef: you are printing not what the game want
DragonJ: yeah but it still runs
DragonJ: only reason I am not printing game normal is because debugging
Snef: and ?
Snef: you are still doing it wrong
Snef: to debug you should use
print("Debug messages...", file=sys.stderr)
Snef: and for print you should do
print(x,y,thrust)
DragonJ: ok but changing those wont fix the issues
Snef: the issue is as i said
Snef: if you have too much speed
Snef: and you are not facing the checkpoint
Snef: you will circle around
Snef: you should try doing more condition
Snef: now you have
if angle > 90 => thrust = 0
else thrust = 100
FrancoisB: "drift"
Snef: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a791762f-f775-4eaa-afc0-abe07c6fdbac
BenjaminUrquhart: and just like that, the chat has died
BenWo: heya :)
TheAtomicStopwatch_c7ec: ?
eulerscheZahl: hello dead chat
BenjaminUrquhart: oh hey I got the CG points
urmam: hello
BenjaminUrquhart: hello
eulerscheZahl: oh, 1st again
eulerscheZahl: and some more cp to come with the multi
BenjaminUrquhart: wait there's a level after 50 now
eulerscheZahl: but dropped 3 ranks on the contest leaderboard
eulerscheZahl: they added more levels just for me
WINWINWIN: Nice eulerscheZahl!
WINWINWIN: Multi going to be released?
BenjaminUrquhart: Soon:tm:
eulerscheZahl: https://twitter.com/CodinGame/status/1262438827194449921
RustyCrown: how do you factor in the warp tunnels?
