mericho: how can i work with this
mericho: i'm noob please help me
jacek: happy Caturday
eulerscheZahl: happy Codejam
eulerscheZahl: there's even D support
emh: eulerscheZahl I started last night hehe
eulerscheZahl: are you trying to solve all problems?
eulerscheZahl: i decided not to try the last one (Indicium)
eulerscheZahl: time to avoid mines
LegendsOfCodeAndMagic: Is there a chance to go gold without tracking opponent paths?
eulerscheZahl: is there a chance to see you using your main account?
eulerscheZahl: for your question: i don't know the answer
LegendsOfCodeAndMagic: I will be using after my stream
eulerscheZahl: streaming OOC? or locam again?
LegendsOfCodeAndMagic: I will stream OOC and some other stuff today for my institutes open days for future wannabe student
LegendsOfCodeAndMagic: That's why I'm testing some stuff from this acc
LegendsOfCodeAndMagic: I will advertise later, but sadly it will be in Polish
LegendsOfCodeAndMagic: And more advertising like 'what in AI4Games we do in our lab'
eulerscheZahl: apart from that it's all about CG? or other sites like RAIC too?
eulerscheZahl: or competitive programming (codeforces)?
LegendsOfCodeAndMagic: Thank you that's nice idea I can mention thse two
LegendsOfCodeAndMagic: actually I'm only in CG cause I use it for teaching and stuff, and I'm not into the really competition programming
eulerscheZahl: CG isn't even that competitive, more about forming a community. try streaming a topcoder marathon, you'll most likely get disqualified
LegendsOfCodeAndMagic: An that's why I like CG
LegendsOfCodeAndMagic: and ability to create own games/puzzles
eulerscheZahl: yeah, the sdk is a great feature
dbdr: and learning from each other
dbdr: still you're not supposed to stream a legend bot
eulerscheZahl: i just did the interactive problem on codejam. usually it takes more time for me to do the stdin/stdout than to solve the actual problem
eulerscheZahl: sure, there are rules which ideas to stream/share. the top ranks are a competition
eulerscheZahl: this time codejam described and extra input line we have to read. but wasn't there, i guess they changed the protocol but not the specs
eulerscheZahl: or did i get lost in the wall of text? :thinking:
inoryy: silver boss sometimes crashes https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/445265942
eulerscheZahl: blame whoever wrote that boss
inoryy: shame you, whoever wrote that boss
LegendsOfCodeAndMagic: That give us all silvers some chance :D
eulerscheZahl: inoryy uses SILENCE a lot. maybe timing out as the tracker path grows
pb4: eulerscheZahl : you said chucknorris == csipsirip ?
chucknorris: I was surprised that this nick is free. I had to take it
Lostrick: can anyone help me with the 3xN tiling?
Lostrick: it's medium but I don't know how to do it at all
eulerscheZahl: no, i said Csipcsirip = chucknorris (with an extra c)
AntiSquid: why no camel case chucknorris ?
eulerscheZahl: or pascal case
sohang: What is the meaning of "MSG" action?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/replay/445260738 check the text below the player avatars on the sides sohang
eulerscheZahl: MSG your text that will print a text below your picture. it's just for debugging and has no effect to the gameplay
chucknorris: Jesus my bot went 2ply. but the oppenent was fighting vs himself
Famout: Haven't been back here in some time, time to try Ocean.
Famout: As someone who is a casual here, I kinda like it.
Uljahn: what do you mean by "to complete"?
AntiSquid: are you gold yet tranculent ?
Uljahn: you're supposed to compete, not to complete
AntiSquid: get highest possible rank by the end of the contest
AntiSquid: also get an avatar for +5% win rate bonus
Famout: If you are new as well a bit of extra info for ya, each League adds a new twist to the game you need to code for.
Famout: So write code you can build on :p
Uljahn: eww clashes
AntiSquid: personally don't like being rushed, feels like having to swim to escape a shark instead of just swimming for leisure
Famout: Do what you enjoy, any coding is an improvement
AntiSquid: Uljahn just curious, when did you last improve your bot?
Uljahn: im improving it rn
Uljahn: arena bot is 8 days old
AntiSquid: using your bot as point of reference, since ladder was shuffled, just now made some changes
Famout: Goal for tonight is to shake off the rust, and get a simple A* pathfinding setup done so I can just putt my ship around the whole screen before needing to surface.
Lots will need to change, but seems like the best place to start.
Famout: ....And all the error checking code too, I miss breakpoints
chucknorris: debugging your code offline with dummy input can save a lot of time
Famout: I could see that
YannT: eulerscheZahl: you've got issues I think ;)
YannT: forgot to add back current position to path after surfacing? :p
eulerscheZahl: interesting, thanks!
elderlybeginner: python: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a90380ab-0764-45db-8709-13f47c15dbc4
a = [14+0j, 14+1j, 14+2j, 14+3j]
inoryy: has to be something else, if I execute your code it works fine for me
eulerscheZahl: i didn't even know that python supports complex numbers :o
elderlybeginner: i'm using it for x,y grids, works wonderfully
eulerscheZahl: the problem here is just the python part. way too slow to be competitive if you want to simulate some turns
eulerscheZahl: (i'm aware that there's a python bot ranked above me)
inoryy: elderlybeginner use numpy instead
inoryy: unless there's like 50 people hiding their bots, I think OOC is one of the more balanced games in terms of languages
elderlybeginner: indeed, there was something else :joy:
elderlybeginner: I cannot remove elements that way, only coping now?
eulerscheZahl: you modify a collection while iterating over it
inoryy: what are you trying to do
eulerscheZahl: under the hood it's probably doing a for loop with the index
eulerscheZahl: and you delete element 0
eulerscheZahl: so the new element 1 from the loop is the actual 2
elderlybeginner: removing all elements with real part over 14
elderlybeginner: yes, I think I know what's going on now. Coping leftover without elements to cut off to another list seems the solution
inoryy: > a = [13+0j, 13+1j, 13+2j, 14+0j] > b = [x for x in a if x.real > 13] > b == [13+0j, 13+1j, 13+2j]
eulerscheZahl: b is exactly the opposite inoryy
inoryy: ha, you're right
inoryy: > b = [x for x in a if x.real < 14]
inoryy: but again, numpy is what you really want here
inoryy: w, h, pid = map(int, readline().split()) grid = [input() for _ in range(h)] grid = np.array([[grid[y][x] == '.' for y in range(w)] for x in range(h)])
MadKnight: who knows who knows...
AntiSquid: i use intellj
eulerscheZahl: how does that help with the question?
AntiSquid: /kick MadKnight @_@
AntiSquid: do you mean me euler?
eulerscheZahl: not sure if i got the question right: the user wants to compile a program so that it can be executed with JRE 1.8
eulerscheZahl: with JDK 1.8 you are on the safe side
eulerscheZahl: it might be possible to use a higher version (in C# you can use some newer features and still compile to a lower .net version), but i don't know if that applies for Java too
AntiSquid: well i don't mind telling which jdk & jre i have but no idea how to check exactly
AntiSquid: i get this: javac -version javac 1.8.0_
eulerscheZahl: ~ javac -version javac 14-ea
AntiSquid: i think i used both 8 and 11 at some point (JDK)
eulerscheZahl: you only need the JRE to execute a java program
eulerscheZahl: and JDK to compile it
eulerscheZahl: if you use newer language features (higher JDK version), you might not be able to run it with an outdated JRE
eulerscheZahl: (that is the person you share your binaries with)
eulerscheZahl: JDK = java development kit JRE = java runtime environment
inoryy: if I silence over multiple cells are all prohibited on the next turn or only the final one?
pb4: You're playing inoryy ?
Counterbalance: yfprojects for jdk 1.8 and older you can specify -source and -target; -target 6 for instance produces bytecode for java 1.6. For jdk 1.9 and up, there's a -release flag, which does the same but also links against the correct runtime (so java 9 code will be linked against the java 8 libraries if you specify -release 8)
inoryy: pb4 a little bit on the weekends :)
inoryy: I see you're taking it seriously this time?
pb4: I got hooked
pb4: Didn't think I could enjoy an imperfect information game
pb4: But it strikes the right balance of """opponent detectability""" and most importantly "should I do this action knowing that I'll reveal myself"
eulerscheZahl: i'm curious what CG has in mind for their next planned contest in May
eulerscheZahl: and what this is about https://twitter.com/CodinGame/status/1246110607419547648
dbdr: not a reverse engineering puzzle ;)
Astrobytes: Would be nice if it was a finished version of that pacman multi
Astrobytes: Not a finished multi
dbdr: The Cake Is A Lie
eulerscheZahl: i asked thibaud, he says that game has nothing to do with it
Astrobytes: Might be PacMan racing... :smirk:
AntiSquid: better that way, since some people already knew about it
eulerscheZahl: pacman strikes back
AntiSquid: do the ghosts revive in pacman?
blasterpoard: inb4 we get a pacman skin for kutulu
AntiSquid: premium members only
YannT: how can I play in IDE a replay when I only have a link to it (it's not from my last battles tab)
blasterpoard: YannT your best bet is copying enemy commands into a file and making a PHP bot out of them, I think
eulerscheZahl: hardcode your opponent
YannT: no way to emulate the "send to IDE" feature? :(
eulerscheZahl: is the opponent the most recent version of that player?
eulerscheZahl: and is it deterministic?
eulerscheZahl: you know that you can set the seed for a map, right?
YannT: no, how? that'd be all I need
eulerscheZahl: left: settings: expert mode
eulerscheZahl: then in the player selection in the IDE
eulerscheZahl: options -> manual
eulerscheZahl: you see the seed in the details below each replay
eulerscheZahl: you are on CG for almost 2 years somehow i assumed you would know that :D
kovi: lets ban undeterministic bots
kovi: i haveto guessdebug more and more in last few days
YannT: once you don't have any bugs anymore and all features are in, it becomes a winrate game anyway
AntiSquid: TODO: add more randomness
kovi: yeah, when i dont have bugs, i will do that for revenge :)
AntiSquid: run fixed seed in IDE / locally and submit without fixed seed
dbdr: YannT you can get the seed from the replay
dbdr: and then set it in the IDE
YannT: yeah I got it, it works :)
YannT: I honestly didn't know about export mode
YannT: I'm an expert now
eulerscheZahl: scroll down in your chat dbdr
dbdr: sorry, was already said
dbdr: yeah :D
AntiSquid: fake chucknorris on leaderboard, real one would be #1
kovi: but he is #1 leaderboard is lagging behind
kovi: (or plain wrong)
YannT: I have rewritten my eval
YannT: not sure if better or terrible :o
AntiSquid: "Game Summary:Not enough charges of SILENCE" Someone tries to play silence every turn .
MadKnight: it's still not enough
eulerscheZahl: don't you do offline testing to evaluate that YannT?
YannT: I did, it seems conclusive
YannT: but also my bot does weird shit sometimes
YannT: so I have zero confidence :p
YannT: more testing and tuning is required I think
AntiSquid: if (x = 1) again this bug T_T
eulerscheZahl: some write if (1 = x) to avoid this
eulerscheZahl: personally i'm not a fan of it
dbdr: others use a proper compiler with sane options that detect it
dbdr: why waste your time on this?
dbdr: in C, -Wall should warn about this, no?
kovi: lucky rolls
icecream17: how would you do offline testing
eulerscheZahl: clone the referee repo, add your own bot in the test/Main.java
Melf: Dose anyone solved MIME Type in Python? I have a problem to print "UNKNOWN"
MadKnight: i did Melf
MadKnight: what's the problem ?
Melf: if i print("UNKNOWN") it says Failure Found Nothing
Melf: if i write "unknown" it fails with found: "unknown" soo i think there might be another problem.
eulerscheZahl: YannT payback time here's a bug of yours: https://www.codingame.com/replay/445414495
eulerscheZahl: siman crashing too https://www.codingame.com/replay/445413627
eulerscheZahl: and YannT again https://www.codingame.com/replay/445415481
eulerscheZahl: wanted to check for timeouts of myself actually, YannT has 22 in 500 matches
YannT: eheh yeah I've noticed, if life==1 and no available tiles, I timeout :D
Salenger: wow ranked 816 at coders-strike-back gold league
AntiSquid: only looks like a good rank because of the few hundred thousand players
AntiSquid: oh nevermind, it's stil under 100k
eulerscheZahl: and CSB has a low ratio of players who really try
eulerscheZahl: we are great at motivating people
eulerscheZahl: keep going Salenger!
YannT: I'm actually thinking of putting log(x)*5 for a thing in my eval function
YannT: this is either genius or completely stupid, probably the later ahah
eulerscheZahl: i went with exp(-x)
kovi: what is x?
YannT: oh that's terrible, that will not do at all
eulerscheZahl: i won't tell you what my x is
kovi: i asked yannt, not you ;)
YannT: pretty sure I figured it out :p
YannT: we're doing the same thing essentially I think
kovi: i had log idea for something, but forgot already what that wss
AntiSquid: hi twitch
eulerscheZahl: aCat forgot to ?disableChat or hide the avatars
eulerscheZahl: oops, even streaming under his real nick :blush: sorry
SavinVadim: Streaming now https://youtu.be/iSu91jHKHHI
AntiSquid: SavinVadim polish stream https://www.twitch.tv/acatai
eulerscheZahl: nice costume :D
AntiSquid: yes SavinVadim
AntiSquid: from anywhere
icecream17: SavinVadin your bot shot itself 6 times in a row https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/445442692
YannT: alright, running cgbenchmark using the power of logarithms
chucknorris: thx for the log idea btw worked well :p
YannT: lets see if MATHS can improve ranking
chucknorris: I still have terrile winrate against pb4 tho
YannT: it would indeed appear to work better with MATHS
YannT: I still have the issue of acting a bit like a suicide bomber sometimes
chucknorris: yeah I'm thinking about adding some maths to my code. and a bit of science
YannT: noo never add science
kovi: what is with this logarithm again?
YannT: you'll end up like MSmits coding around impossible possibilities
eulerscheZahl: adding math + science is considered as cheating
YannT: alright, new eval is a go
YannT: it's annoying how the line numbers in crashes in the IDE don't correspond to anything
Swagboy: Yes this or no lines sometimes
Swagboy: What I've been doing, on a Vry advice, is to print all input for some game in order to play them on local
YannT: could not be bothered yet to set up something like this
Swagboy: I think I won some time all in all
Swagboy: But not quite sure because of some input formatting headaches
Vry: Swagboy, you ping me? :D
YannT: eulerscheZahl: the power of MATHS appears to be working
eulerscheZahl: oh no, another user who will give me headache
eulerscheZahl: yes, it's a turn-based game
eulerscheZahl: yes, your bot will only be executed on your turn
Swagboy: Vry acknowledging you for some advice!
YannT: I think we sqhould consider not pushing all at the time time...
YannT: we're cramping each other's respective styles :p
Counterbalance: Salenger you'd have to implement that yourself. I have code for nodejs if you like but I'm not sure i it's useful for typescript
Counterbalance: ohh that was meant for SabertheLost
Counterbalance: tab completion :(
eulerscheZahl: yes you can Salenger
eulerscheZahl: and to kill https://www.codingame.com/replay/445475140
struct: as long as you dont repeat the same action
eulerscheZahl: i don't see a problem with allowing both and disallowing now will result in justified complains by those who implemented using that feature
Astrobytes: You can SILENCE with 0 distance though
struct: They are considered different
AntiSquid: all actions being possible same turn is absolutely fine imo
YannT: the power of MATHS is workiiing :D
AntiSquid: the slow leaderboard update is really irritating
RickHodder: question, i'm trying to set up external code editor, i have installed the chrome extension, but i dont know what the next step is - i'm using vscode
Counterbalance: have you read https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/codingame-sync-beta/614 ?
AntiSquid: i still don't beat boss, fail! :/
AntiSquid: 1 win !! finally lol
eulerscheZahl: i thought you like touch bosses you were even against nerfing wood bosses
Zenoscave: just not tough for him ;)
AntiSquid: only maybe if they are female and good lucking, otherwise no
eulerscheZahl: more a sadist than a masochist
eulerscheZahl: good lucking? i'm tempted to risk a strike by suggesting a typo correction
AntiSquid: the issue, is if i commit to something and then it gets nerfed it's really annoying, also wasn't complaining about the boss
AntiSquid: just rambling about my failure
AntiSquid: well your wrote touch instead of tough
AntiSquid: also what strike? i don't get it
AntiSquid: actually you get a strike, reach 1000 and you're out
eulerscheZahl: didn't even notice my typo
eulerscheZahl: in baseball it's 3 strikes
eulerscheZahl: on youtube too i think
tempux: did anyone used python for codejam?
eulerscheZahl: wlesavo did
Zenoscave: Shit i forgot codejam again
RoboStac: I did
eulerscheZahl: still running
AntiSquid: go use python Zenobia
Zenoscave: I didn't know go was written in python
AntiSquid: i'll see myself out .
eulerscheZahl: 6h remaining, you need 30 points
tempux: I seem to get runtime error on codejam for the sample test cases
tempux: using python
RoboStac: are you using f strings?
RoboStac: yeah, their python is out of date and doesn't support them
tempux: oh okay
tempux: i solve first two using c++
RoboStac: they're still using 3.5
eulerscheZahl: and i thought CG is slow at language updates
tempux: I didn't want to reimplement the third one with c++ again
eulerscheZahl: dive = silence? yes you can
RoboStac: yes, you can do all 7 actions in one turn, you just can't do any single action more than once per turn
eulerscheZahl: order matters
eulerscheZahl: also for your torpedo range which changes after moving
eulerscheZahl: or to fully charge and then directly use your torpedo
wlesavo: damn, my fatality is bad, it does not consider quite a few possibilities
eulerscheZahl: yes Doubt_Cloudy
eulerscheZahl: i'm willing to exchange my killer move vs your movement wlesavo
wlesavo: eulerscheZahl :smiley:
kovi: top is quite packed
eulerscheZahl: where does the top end for you? below #6?
wlesavo: eulerscheZahl i would say my movement was in part inherited from number shifting
eulerscheZahl: hm, interesting
wlesavo: but looking at the top there are probably quite a few better ones already
YannT: I have good fatality but I also do non fatal suicide bombing sometimes :p
YannT: SILENCE 4 | TORPEDO *dead*
wlesavo: i try not to torpedo after silence
YannT: I take a more hands off approach to bot management, I prefer to let it express its creativity :p
YannT: and apparently it has the heart of a kamikaze, who am I to judge
wlesavo: that is somethong a wise god would say :slight_smile:
struct: close fight at top still
eulerscheZahl: i don't expect to see a clear winner with 2 points ahead at the end
YannT: coming for you kovi :D
struct: you are probably right
struct: I wonder if anyone is hiding
eulerscheZahl: i'm hiding my submarine but torpedoes still hit me
struct: fix it
YannT: speaking of hiding, I try to calculate torpedo options when there's like 200 possible ennemy positions and it takes a bit of time apparently
AntiSquid: is there no perfect or semi-perfect hiding?
YannT: who would've thunk it
chucknorris: hm I dont even try to shoot yet when there are more than 9 possible locations
eulerscheZahl: when you invest all your energy in hiding, you can't fire torpedoes anymore AntiSquid
eulerscheZahl: because you have to charge them too
AntiSquid: isn't silence + mines a good idea?
YannT: silence spam means you don't have time for mines
AntiSquid: don't spam, do both .
AntiSquid: 9 in total or 9 around you chucknorris
chucknorris: I only shoot when the hit chance is 100% I know its not really good
Swagboy: Mine spams means the opp know where your mine where dropped from
YannT: AntiSquid: doing both is pretty much the meta... mine spam is something else ;)
YannT: it means you don't silence or very little, and that's usually not good
kovi: nagra did great doing mine spam for quite a few days. but with mine avoidance he is down
AntiSquid: but that's what i asked YannT
AntiSquid: chucknorris your twin: https://www.codingame.com/profile/45d40dac5af96d1ad3cdd6e45b3f1bd61647851
wlesavo: yeah, nagra did really good without silence, i think he can do better using it though
linjoehan: did yall do google?
YannT: you're not determenistic chucknorris?
YannT: or did I just bug something :p
chucknorris: no my bot is not deterministic. and has a lot of bugs too :D
YannT: ah, that explains why I can't reproduce a thing then
icecream17: I don't feel like doing ocean of code anymore....
YannT: take a break and come back to it?
AntiSquid: hey icecream17 i hate it from day 1 and i am still at it
AntiSquid: well i mean day 1 of contest, when i first tried it i didn't notice how annoying silence is
AntiSquid: but why not play some other multi then? there's massive variety icecream17
Albeast: /message dadbeast
icecream17: if you just move and silence at random directions and track and put random bombs every 20 moves, after 300 moves you're set to win
teccles: What's the current contest like?
AntiSquid: well you remember unleash the geek?
AntiSquid: kinda like that one, but more things to take into account imo
AntiSquid: and i think i enjoyed that one a little more
teccles: Thanks :)
blasterpoard: teccles incomplete information once again
kovi: hey teccles
kovi: almost turtlish game
teccles: Cool. So, bots are heuristic rather than heavy search?
kovi: for now yes
teccles: Ah yes, two weeks in and python is at #3
AntiSquid: that's an exception
teccles: Hey it's captain sonar!
teccles: That's a great game
YannT: it is :)
YannT: sounds like a new challenger has entered the arena :grin:
blasterpoard: #2 is taken
wlesavo: i was #1 for couple of days even, right before gold :slight_smile: but yeah, slipping down now, have not much time to improove
Zenoscave: Ah 23 points so far on GCJ I'm stuck with a Wrong answer on the Parenting problem
struct: it has a few differences teccles
struct: here you cant destroy mines
wlesavo: blasterpoard for a sec, some tops are resubing
teccles: Oh, if #2 is taken I guess I'm out
blasterpoard: wlesavo I was talking about teccles taking it once again
NinjaDoggy: lol teccles the #2 god :P
AntiSquid: a lot of random atm
icecream17: Hey, I have an idea, what if you have 2 different modes? One for silence players and one for everyone else?
teccles: Which is weird, because consistently getting #2 is clearly impossible :(
wlesavo: oh i see, out of context
kovi: that is why you won halite 3 :)
AntiSquid: but you'll always be second to the best!
teccles: Oh, UTG is live and my bot is still there!
teccles: I might flip a flag and see if I could have trivially won
blasterpoard: it was reopened at around the same time the contest started
AntiSquid: now they automatically push the bot to the multi
blasterpoard: not much time to do anything yet
blasterpoard: btw if you'll keep submitting your utg bot, I'll go down to #20 there
AntiSquid: just need some luck @_@ RNGesus heed my call
teccles: I won't keep submitting it - just changing one setting to see how much I should kick myself
AntiSquid: go go jbl ! push me drop boss ! :o
Astrobytes: Pray harder to RNGesus AntiSquid
Zenoscave: AHHHH I can't figuer out my bug on GCJ
Astrobytes: oh teccles has finally arrived
teccles: Maybe. Not sure if I'm joining.
Astrobytes: Pushed for time or not keen?
AntiSquid: i shall kick/ban Automaton2000 as an offering to RNG deities
Automaton2000: and see what they do with the way i do it in a while
teccles: I kind of decided to stop doing these
The_Duck: D: why?
AntiSquid: GOLD :o
teccles: They eat my life and I think there might be better things to do with my time
AntiSquid: not kicking Automaton2000 though, hehe, scammed RNGesus
Automaton2000: i cant do anything with them
teccles: But then again, I don't actually *do* better things with my time :)
The_Duck: I love having my life eaten by these :)
Astrobytes: gz Squiddo
The_Duck: I am sad I am only now getting to this one :(
AntiSquid: 2 weeks time though
kovi: game is on....so will recurse join aswell?
AntiSquid: thx astro, looks like i will be glued to the bottom of gold though
Astrobytes: Better than stuck at 2nd silver at least ;)
teccles: Is it possible to look at the rules for this game without joining the contest?
kovi: afaik if you dont submit you wont be "counted" as playing
struct: but he cant see all rules though
Astrobytes: structs bronze rules pic incoming
teccles: Awesome, thanks
struct: I dont have the url anymore Astrobytes
Astrobytes: shame on you! :P
AntiSquid: cut off text oops
AntiSquid: ok ignore it
pb4: teccles even better : https://www.codingame.com/ide/demo/8392839245e18c46e2dac324152a05070dcc91
pb4: Select league 4 at the top right
icecream17: Wow! The error appeared as early as move 10 - and the opponent didn't even silence! yay!
icecream17: welp i'm going to the ocean
MostComplicatedUsername: Random torpedo for the win
icecream17: so i was working on astrobytes idea to make damage arrays, and i realized... instead of shifting, just add the specific damage from a space before the oppmove, then add the damage from the space after the move. you don't need to total damage array.
**MostComplicatedUsername Has no idea what icecream17 is talking about
icecream17: Torpedo hits, then move, then mine,
icecream17: so the torpedo damage, then shift the position only, then take mine
teccles: I think I'm out of this one... I don't quite have the energy for it right now. Good luck everyone!
icecream17: whoa how did your username disappear
NinjaDoggy: anyone on right now willing to answer some questions about tracking silence? :)
icecream17: you can't
icecream17: but track as much as possible!
NinjaDoggy: @YannT are you still only tracking positions?
Astrobytes: icecream17 I think you tagged me in error
icecream17: so it wasn't your idea..? but i'm sure in the chat/// nevermind just know i stole some idea from someone
AntiSquid: nothing stolen, it was shared 24/7 in chat and on stream
icecream17: hmm should i keep track of who i get ideas from?
Astrobytes: Not me no, I think I remember the conversation though
YannT: NinjaDoggy: no paths
YannT: I was tracking only positions in like
Astrobytes: icecream17 you don't keep notes?
icecream17: ..................................(error: timeout)
NinjaDoggy: so you're very approximately tracking silence then?
NinjaDoggy: since paths give you a lot of information about silence possibilities
Zenoscave: I drop any path after the first 900 or so
NinjaDoggy: for example if someone does silence N 1 followed by move E
YannT: if you're talking about the replay, this is a case of me suiciding to avoid an ennemy mine
icecream17: no..... sorry
YannT: obviously not ideal behavior
NinjaDoggy: does your code rule out the possibility of silence W 1?
NinjaDoggy: no i'm talking in general, not about replay
YannT: ah, no it doesn't
YannT: of course not
NinjaDoggy: hm... ok
NinjaDoggy: cuz that's the decision i'm trying to make right now
YannT: in this case I used silence to "jump over" a mine, except it left me with 1 life and nowhere to go to :p
NinjaDoggy: trade of between run/code time and robustness
NinjaDoggy: ahh rip
YannT: I don't consider silence 0 as an option for myself
NinjaDoggy: ok thanks
Zenoscave: I dropped around 20 ranks :/ I am not doing well in gold
NinjaDoggy: i feel like even top gold bots
NinjaDoggy: are tracking quite poorly :/
NinjaDoggy: like not making use of damage taken from torpedo to eliminate positions
NinjaDoggy: and stuff
Zenoscave: then come beat us up
NinjaDoggy: will do :D
Zenoscave: We do that though...
NinjaDoggy: ok maybe there's not as much info as I thought from the replay then
AntiSquid: it's more annoying than it looks
wlesavo: NinjaDoggy you are quite wrong
icecream17: tracking paths is how much better? 1.7x?
icecream17: also, does the month-glass in the top left actually go down over time? i can't tell, too slow
MostComplicatedUsername: Don't think so
MostComplicatedUsername: Cus there's less than half left and the hourglass has more than half at the top
wlesavo: NinjaDoggy the numbers printed out are usually delayed one turn, but overall pretty acurate and reliable across all the players
Zenoscave: wlesavo do you see much wrong with my bot? I'm running low on ideas
AntiSquid: purchase a fix it toolkit from MadKnight
Zenoscave: MadKnight how much will that cost
MadKnight: fix it toolkit ?
MadKnight: wait i got a link
MadKnight: here's the fix it toolkit
Zenoscave: I'll use it now
MadKnight: MostComplicatedUsername u don't know don't starve game ?
MadKnight: struct plays it too
MadKnight: i was just trolling
MadKnight: don't take it seriously lol
wlesavo: Zenoscave well the meta is mine escaping, your bot does not seems to do that
MadKnight: MostComplicatedUsername do u like open-world survival kind of games ?
MostComplicatedUsername: Like Subn
MadKnight: try don't starve MostComplicatedUsername
MadKnight: u might like it
Zenoscave: How do you track mines? just probability of placement on each action?
AntiSquid: ya MostComplicatedUsername just write his username in your blacklist-booklet, one day you'll meet him and pay him back, no need to be so serious now
wlesavo: Zenoscave well you can have all the possible possitions, just average the damage and you good
kovi: but that makes harder to remove all when one is triggered
Zenoscave: how? Position to int hashmap
Zenoscave: when one triggers set value to 0
wlesavo: Zenoscave when one is triggered you have to remove phantoms as well but accoint for duplicates as well
Zenoscave: got it
icecream17: i have 1614 but also a 120 line comment at the end
Zenoscave: 120 line comment!?
icecream17: yeah just put ideas and explanations and possible useful code in there. also to debug
icecream17: mostly to debug actually
The_Duck: when you use silence, can you cross over your own path?
Zenoscave: no The_Duck
The_Duck: ok cool
The_Duck: and do all the squares that you pass over count as "visited"?
icecream17: weird how you both answer at the same time
Zenoscave: not really
The_Duck: thanks both :)
kovi: my msgs displayed with 20+sec lag in forum
Zenoscave: same here on occasion kovi
MadKnight: just use random
MadKnight: > How do you track mines? just probability of placement on each action?
The_Duck: so you can move and silence in the same turn right?
mlomb: you can
The_Duck: hm, my opponent seems to be doing move + zero-distance-silence in the same turn but maybe I am confused
The_Duck: oh ok you can
The_Duck: his output looks like
The_Duck: "MOVE S TORPEDO|SILENCE N 0"
mlomb: He charged the torpedo, then silenced and moved 0
mlomb: not moved*
The_Duck: ok so I assume also "MOVE N TORPEDO|SILENCE N 4" is also allowed?
The_Duck: cool thanks mlomb
mlomb: you can do any combination you want, as long you have cooldown and don't issue the same command twice
mlomb: also you could use "MINE" and not move at all