tekki: hi darling
EmilHuzell: has anyone solved shadows 2 using trilateration?
TheWaterCooledSkater_cead: i,m a newer and i wangt to make some progress
TransExterminator: poop
5IGI0: oh ! hein voilà
TransExterminator: go on codeforces there are better problems there
5IGI0: hm
5IGI0: give link pls
TransExterminator: im talking to other guy
TransExterminator: just google it
lotosmui: how i know if the id on the loop is my id?
struct: what game?
lotosmui: platinum rift
lotosmui: episode 2
struct: they give you your id
struct: at the start of the game
struct: on first turn
DavidLC: invite me
DavidLC: helo
DavidLC: hello
Ducknaro: guys
yfprojects: hi
TwilightLady_79fc: Helo Gaimers are u ready for this fortnite vicroy royel
SarthakSS: negative
TwilightLady_79fc: Positive for hiv is what your dad is
SarthakSS: no shit sherlock
TwilightLady_79fc: :heart_eyes:
struct: Hello AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: what do you mean by that to me?
Uljahn: AutomatonNN: that means you should invite euler to coc
AutomatonNN: eulerscheZahl is there a way to learn to code in the code and the last case will be the same as the
Astrobytes: hahaha
struct: poor euler :(
struct: euler should make a bot that every time AutomatonN N pings him, the bot would ping Magu s
Uljahn: wasn't it Agad e's before?
struct: I think soi
struct: Well just ping both
struct: or ping everyone at #fr
jang888: Will i have band if i hardcode?
struct: you mean ban?
struct: if you mean ban, you wont get banned
struct: But your solution wont pass the validators
struct: Unless you hardcode the validators
wlesavo: i guess there are some puzzles where you can watch the replay from validators, although in these puzzles it is easier to actually solve them then to hardcode
jang888: thank
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
struct: Well sim is finished
struct: Finally
struct: Time to delete :'(
Uljahn: delete what? the acc?
struct: Yes
struct: I said 1 mill sims or delete
eulerscheZahl: how many do you get?
struct: worst case 600k
eulerscheZahl: best case?
struct: best case 2mill
eulerscheZahl: fair enough, for me that counts
eulerscheZahl: you can keep your account for now
eulerscheZahl: but you have to reach UTG legend when it's added
struct: :cold_sweat:
struct: ofc these numbers are without eval
struct: and just random search
Uljahn: with avx?
struct: yes
struct: using floats, not doubles
struct: also my sine and cosine are not equal to normal
struct: They are close enough though
struct: http://software-lisc.fbk.eu/avx_mathfun/avx_mathfun.h
struct: I think euler linked it before
Uljahn: you can cache trigs i guess
Uljahn: when an action space is 0, 200 for thrust you can precalculate all 200*cos(angle) and 200*sin(angle) with angle being int in degrees
dbdr: eulerscheZahl: I dealt with the vanishing avatars
eulerscheZahl: a local copy
dbdr: yeah
eulerscheZahl: and now you have to do the same with pastebins :P
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/dd647f4e-46ac-4fc7-bb1e-64867d4516a3
dbdr: meaning I will have the history of everyone's avatars :)
dbdr: yeah, I did it for pastebins already
eulerscheZahl: oh nice
dbdr: not accessible yet, but they are stored
dbdr: do you know how long they stay?
dbdr: oh, you linked to an old one?
eulerscheZahl: 0s worst case
dbdr: wat?
eulerscheZahl: no, i added some newlines
eulerscheZahl: created one
eulerscheZahl: no idea how long the remain
eulerscheZahl: the 0s is when they are broken again
dbdr: ah :D
eulerscheZahl: were you on CG already when we had sad times without emojis?
eulerscheZahl: once they broke too
dbdr: added benefit is the space savings
dbdr: https://cg.spdns.eu/index.php?title=Chat:World/2020-03-15&action=history
dbdr: no, I don't remember about emojis
dbdr: https://cg.spdns.eu/index.php?title=Chat:World/2020-03-15&diff=75&oldid=63
eulerscheZahl: and another benefit: the search results are less cluttered
dbdr: yep :)
dbdr: JFB, if you're there: I set the lang now
dbdr: you can get your automated translation
dbdr: with chrome only by default I think, not FF
eulerscheZahl: wow, great
dbdr: wrote an extension that sets the language based on the page title
Nixerrr: Holy cow, euler is #1. Congrats!
struct: Nixerrr long time no see
Nixerrr: :wave: struct
wlesavo: holy bulls and cows, you gotta be politically correct nowadays :wink:
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: hey Nixerrr!
Nixerrr: Hey hey
Nixerrr: My gym closed so I might return to CG :D
YurkovAS: struct you use avx same?
https://github.com/robostac/cg-meanmax-postmortem
My implementation runs 8 different games in parallel, so you can try 8 different moves at once and evaluate them. This gave a speed up of 5-6x in CSB.
RoboStac: it's great for ga style solutions, a complete pain for mcts based ones (eg smitsi)
struct: yes
eulerscheZahl: thanks Nixerrr (and welcome back)
CG changed their ranking formula, that's how i got there
eulerscheZahl: and today i started Cultist Wars :tada:
struct: why do you think is a pain for MCTS RoboStac?
struct: You cant really avx the tree
YurkovAS: RoboStac you current csb bot without avx and 1 mil sim?
struct: is that why?
RoboStac: it's hard to make use of parallel games efficiently
RoboStac: as you need a way to not just generate the same game 8 times from the tree
struct: True, but still possible
struct: I guess the gains will decrease a bit though
RoboStac: my current bot is avx enhanced but not parallel games - just doing all the collision checks at once etc
RoboStac: I had better results with that than parallel games
YurkovAS: RoboStac thanks. I use avx in uct formula and pod end move (round, trunc), but it give very small benefit.
struct: I see, I will try this way though
struct: to see how it goes
struct: Do you load the values YurkovAS?
struct: also I found that if I use avx flags on my none avxed code
struct: I still gain a bit of performance
struct: due to auto vectorization
struct: small boost
struct: 10%-20%
YurkovAS: struct I use sse (not avx): _mm_set_ps and for read - union { __m128 v; float a[4]; }
YurkovAS: struct #pragma GCC target("avx") ?
struct: I used all
struct: #pragma GCC optimize("O3","unroll-loops","omit-frame-pointer","inline")
- pragma GCC option("arch=native","tune=native","no-zeroupper")
- pragma GCC target("sse,sse2,sse3,ssse3,sse4,popcnt,abm,mmx,avx,avx2,fma")
TransExterminator: hi
struct: hi
AntiSquid: hi
AntiSquid: how is life?
AntiSquid: need to go shopping, wonder if there's anything on the shelves :thinking: Automaton2000
Automaton2000: well you don't have the time yet
TransExterminator: struct are you talking about c
TransExterminator: my favourite
struct: c++
TransExterminator: what about cpp are u talking about
struct: We were talking about AVX
TransExterminator: to do what
struct: to apply it on CSB
struct: coders strike back
TransExterminator: lol
AntiSquid: how's your CSB TransExterminator?
TransExterminator: if only they used clang
AntiSquid: did you fix it?
TransExterminator: fix what
Astrobytes: it
TransExterminator: what
AntiSquid: your CSB bot
AntiSquid: fix it TransExterminator
TransExterminator: im new
AntiSquid: that's the best time to fix it, when you're sitll new
TransExterminator: i signed up yesterday i will check it out
TransExterminator: ok
TransExterminator: where is it
AntiSquid: just do Vindinium instead:
https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/vindinium
AntiSquid: how's your Vindinium TransExterminator?
TransExterminator: checking it out right now
TransExterminator: its gcc right?
TransExterminator: so i can use bits stdc++
AntiSquid: let us know when you fixed it
TransExterminator: what is fixed
TransExterminator: i win the game?
AntiSquid: get top 10 in Vindinium
TransExterminator: why
AntiSquid: i mean reach Wood 1 first
AntiSquid: then top 10
TransExterminator: like global top 10?
AntiSquid: one step at a time
AntiSquid: top 10 Vindinium
TransExterminator: how do i make my thing mobe
TransExterminator: move
AntiSquid: using directions:
NORTH, EASTH, SOUTH, WEAT
AntiSquid: WEST *
TransExterminator: ok
TransExterminator: that move me one forwars?
AntiSquid: but you need to choose correct one each turn!
TransExterminator: how do i know where the enemy is
AntiSquid: one square at a time
AntiSquid: it's given in the inputs
AntiSquid: read the text on the left
AntiSquid: how's your bot?
TransExterminator: its standing there doing nothing
AntiSquid: someone help me give the perfect 5 letter reply?
Astrobytes: Fix it
TransExterminator: ok im doing it
Astrobytes: ezpz
AntiSquid: when Wood 1?
TransExterminator: i just started idk what wood is
struct: :fireworks:
TransExterminator: how do i get my own x and y position
struct: Which game?
struct: Vindinium?
TransExterminator: vindinium
TransExterminator: yeah
struct: I think its given in inputs
TransExterminator: it said x and y is of the entitiy
struct: it gives entitytype
struct: if hero
TransExterminator: OH
struct: I think I fixed or broke something
struct: my sim number increased by quite a bit
Astrobytes: Defo broken :P
ronthecookie: im addicted to the clash now.. 2 days in a row...
BurakEkincioglu: hey is there anyone now ? , it is my first time, it is very interesting for me :D
TransExterminator: nevermind idk wtf i am supposed to do
TransExterminator: i am going to do clash of cod
struct: Wise choice
Astrobytes: Clash of cod? Fish battling!
struct: Im gonna create a multi called Clash of Code
struct: free advertisement
Astrobytes: Clash of Cod would be better tbh
Nixerrr: I tried cod several times, but never really acquired a taste for it
Nixerrr: Very bland taste and falls apart easily when roasted or fried
Astrobytes: Only if you overcook it
Astrobytes: But bland yes, takes strong flavours well
struct: I havent played it a lot
struct: only have 3k games I think
Nixerrr: Astrobytes Right, I might have overcooked it, true
Nixerrr: Or handled it too much while cooking
struct: Now I need MSmits
struct: Now that I finished sim
Astrobytes: Yeah that would do it Nixerrr
Goes well with chorizo if you like that
Nixerrr: Yeah I like chorizo a lot
Astrobytes: When I used to eat that kinda thing I liked a bean + chorizo stew with pan-fried cod
Nixerrr: Not anymore?
Nixerrr: Went vegan?
Astrobytes: Vegetarian these days
Nixerrr: I usually like fish with more character and fat. Had carp the other day, it was great
Astrobytes: Yeah, carp's nice. The oily fish have more flavour usually
Astrobytes: But the more bland white fish like to be paired with strong flavours. Cod is nice in a curry for instance
AntiSquid: why the chorizo? i get it it's much beloved ingredient, but you could just use paprika powder / tomato sauce and some other spices with the cod
herbs . lemon . garlic
AntiSquid: also maybe this is a time in life where one might consider begging as a necessity
AntiSquid: begging for toilet paper
Astrobytes: You could also do that yea
Astrobytes: These days I substitute chorizo with smoked paprika
TransExterminator: smoked paprika in soup is very good
TransExterminator: in chili or some thick starch soup
AntiSquid: got the perfect money making idea:
giant easter chocoloate egg with a toilet roll inside! i bet it would sell like crazy
5IGI0: oxford '-'
5IGI0: you're a asshole's bourgeois
AntiSquid: there is no middle class
AntiSquid: just the poor commoners, the super piss poor commoners doing drugs and then all the rich classes and above
Uljahn: ah, those pesky russian oligarchs
romrd468: What is the latest python libraries?
romrd468: A lot of the ones I was finding online were dead libraries.
struct: What do you mean by dead?
MadKnight: rip
MadKnight: it means when u include them your code outputs F
MadKnight: and then they do nothing
MadKnight: what is the latest py library, Automaton2000 ?
Automaton2000: not trying to get from bronze to gold
MadKnight: just open github, sort repositories by latest commit date and filter them by py3
MadKnight: ezpz
romrd468: fudge another list of dead libraries or ones that are not functioning
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PatrickMcGinnisII: really?
PatrickMcGinnisII: Happy St, Patricks Day
MadKnight: what's your browser ?
Scarfield: happy green day, surprised google havent changed their logo for today
PatrickMcGinnisII: 56.2.10.1 (64-bit)
struct: what is that?
PatrickMcGinnisII: waterfox
MadKnight: are there earthfox and airfox ?
Astrobytes: *windfox
PatrickMcGinnisII: just a year old
Scarfield: there is a snowfox but not good for browsing
PatrickMcGinnisII: the webmaster tools in waterfox are pretty good
MadKnight: but then the firefox nation started a war...
PatrickMcGinnisII: ok rusky fire bender
Scarfield: but water is super effective against fire
PatrickMcGinnisII: gotta cook corn beef and cabbage before I go to the Bikini contest
PatrickMcGinnisII: laterz
Astrobytes: ...
struct: Chat has been quiet today
MadKnight: struct how's your float hacking ?
struct: haven't started
MadKnight: just set its value manually struct
Scarfield: float hacking?
Scarfield: param fitting?
MadKnight: no he needs to generate random from 0 to 1 without any float operations
MadKnight: he only got bitwise
MadKnight: i told him he can manually set first 9 bits and randomize the other 23
TransExterminator: why do floats lose precision?
Astrobytes: Cause they float. They all float down here.
MSmits: :balloon:
MSmits: :clown:
struct: hello there MSmits
struct: My avx sim is finished for the most part
MSmits: cool
struct: and my account still remains
struct: at least for now
MSmits: why wouldn't it
Astrobytes: Sim count > 1 mil?
struct: in most cases yes
MSmits: awesome
Astrobytes: With eval?
struct: nah
Astrobytes: It still counts no?
struct: without eval I get around worst case 700-800k
struct: best case now I get 2.5mill
struct: after some changes
Astrobytes: Good enough if you ask me
MSmits: yes
struct: this with floats
MSmits: lol Astrobytes, you made me nr 1 oware
struct: by quite a bit
MSmits: nah, that's still within the margin
MSmits: i am guessing Astrobytes chose some params that are somewhat hurtful to re curse
struct: wasnt roy ale that pushed you?
MSmits: yea i just checker
MSmits: royale did it
MSmits: astro pushed all of us equally
MSmits: but royale royally screwed re curse
struct: Im hyped to see his new version
MSmits: you mean the csb?
MSmits: oh re curse
struct: yes
struct: re curse
MSmits: it's not gonna be much different, it's gonna whack everyone, including me, but when I submit a new version it could be different again
MSmits: unless he somehow made himself immune to new params
Astrobytes: My bot did Robo
MSmits: ohh ok
MSmits: so you and royale tag teamed the nns
Astrobytes: Yeah, was a battle royale
MSmits: hehe
Astrobytes: I don't want to see that game for at least another day
struct: also it seems that avx doesnt work very well with trees like smitsimax
MSmits: yeah I am not enjoying it much anymore
MSmits: why not struct
struct: robo says he uses avx only to resolve collisions
struct: I think it can still work
MSmits: but you just said you got millions of sims
struct: havent tried
struct: yes but node selection isnt so straightforward
struct: Ill need like current[pods][8]
MSmits: ah
_Royale: Astrobytes: lol :) yeah I submitted a lot today
MSmits: hey there _Royale
_Royale: hi MSmits!
Astrobytes: _Royale yeah me too lol, you win :D
MSmits: nice to see you all around the community multis
MSmits: you did langtons ant right before me
struct: Where is your yavalath bot?
_Royale: yeah I had a lot of fun on Langtons too
MSmits: i had some annoying bugs, but once it worked, it worked really well right away. At least i didn't have so many params, like in oware
_Royale: and now that we have the lockdown I can spend even more time here ;-)
MSmits: me too i guess, but also need to do a lot of remote-teaching
Astrobytes: I'm actually surprised CG isn't more active right now, I guess everyone has a bunch of crap to deal with though
MSmits: yes, the hunt for toilet paper and all that
Astrobytes: Don't, I gave my supply to my grandad, down to last roll. A vegetarian with 1 toilet roll is not good :D
MSmits: lol
MSmits: that's poop-ist
Astrobytes: I can't be poop-ist to myself
MSmits: mmh ok
Astrobytes: Poopism-by-proxy?
MSmits: I'm just saying, just because they dont eat meat, doesnt mean they dont poop right
Astrobytes: I'm vegetarian
MSmits: oh
MSmits: wait, you gave him all but 1 roll?
Astrobytes: I eat a lot of spicy food
Astrobytes: Yeah, I mean I only had a pack of 4
MSmits: oh ok
MSmits: re curse suggested printing out php code
Astrobytes: All the people in my town are selfish idiots
Astrobytes: *Most of
MSmits: everywhere apparently
Astrobytes: Indeed.
MSmits: we only have appropriate amounts of toilet paper
Astrobytes: I get a pack of 4 every other week
Astrobytes: Sometimes 2 if my sister visits
Astrobytes: :P
MSmits: lol...
Astrobytes: I don't know either. She just gets through it
MSmits: gives you a lot of stress I take it
MSmits: oh ok
MSmits: I thought you had issues out of stress when she visits
Astrobytes: That too lol. You can tell she's visited by the reduction in toilet roll
struct: remember
struct: not all toilet rolls are same size
Astrobytes: She must smoke it or something
MSmits: struct do you mean they get smaller when you use them?
Astrobytes: lol
MSmits: I can tell this is a late night conversation
Astrobytes: Yep, look at the clock :smirk:
MSmits: that too
Astrobytes: But yeah, totally
MSmits: I need help with Onitama :(
struct: How can I explain :/
Astrobytes: About toilet roll size?
struct: yes
Astrobytes: We're just kidding
MSmits: struct isn't
MSmits: this is serious stuff to him
Astrobytes: The toilet rolls when I worked in Corfu were much smaller than here
Astrobytes: What's up with your Onitami MSmits?
Astrobytes: *Onitama
MSmits: I'm a bit stuck on figuring out a good bitboard
MSmits: it's 5x5 so fits easily in 32 bit for either player
MSmits: I could use a cardpattern and shift it to the right cell
MSmits: but I dont know what to do about shifts that go over the edge
struct: so you mean it fits in __mm256i 8 times
struct: __m256i
Astrobytes: I've not played it properly yet but the patterns seem easy enough to work with bitboard-wise?
MSmits: yeah, but that wont be useful to me I think struct
struct: I also dont think you can avx every multi
Astrobytes: You can. But it won't benefit you
MSmits: Astrobytes I thought so too, but say you have a card that moves 2 to the left
MSmits: that could be a shift of two on the bitboard
MSmits: however, what if the origin cell is on the left edge of the board
MSmits: the shift will still happen
MSmits: and then you go to the next row
MSmits: but that's incorrect
Astrobytes: So you need to rotate
MSmits: in bandas this can easily be solved because you shift 1 at a time
MSmits: but not in onitama
Astrobytes: not rotate as in angle
MSmits: rotate wont work
MSmits: you can also move 2 vertical
MSmits: so there will always be a direction in which this happens
Astrobytes: Hm, yes I see
MSmits: and i cant rotate every move, because that defeats the purpose of a bitboard, too expensive
Astrobytes: Yep. Have you tried it without bitboards yet
MSmits: i've been thinking about just having a lookup array
MSmits: just take the card and the cell
MSmits: and lookup the bit pattern
Astrobytes: That sounds logical
MSmits: i try to avoid it when i can, because lookup comes with a price also
MSmits: i dont know how to do it efficiently without a bitboard
Astrobytes: But play it without any bitboards and see if you can see a way to work them in
MSmits: I cant save the state on the nodes then
MSmits: too much data
MSmits: would be completely different bot
MSmits: I'll make it work I think. It's just harder than I thought
MSmits: I got the framework from my checkers/oware bot
Astrobytes: 1. Make slow working bot.
2. Make improvements to other bot based on that.
3. Profit
MSmits: just need moves/eval/input/output
MSmits: i never do that Astrobytes
MSmits: oware hasnt been optimized after it first started working
MSmits: only eval changes
Astrobytes: I know. Sometimes thinking from the ground up lets you see things you might miss
MSmits: but for me, after writing so many bitboards, it's not really that much easier to do it without them
MSmits: i'm used to it
Astrobytes: You'll figure it out
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: I'm just whining
Astrobytes: Better than wheezing
MSmits: true true
MSmits: how are you btw
Astrobytes: Not so bad, just lacking energy, can't stand up for more than 5 minutes, typical 'flu symptoms
Astrobytes: Not any better, not any worse
Astrobytes: You and family all good?
MSmits: it's weird that virus that is more similar to a cold virus has symptoms nearer to a flu
MSmits: yeah we're fine
MSmits: i had to go to work quickly today cuz i forgot to pick up a stack of tests =/ Was 2 1/2 hrs, mostly empty train so it was ok
Astrobytes: It's an interesting little virus that's for sure.
Good to hear. Ah, so quiet everywhere you should be gine
struct: you still go to school?
Astrobytes: Or fine
MSmits: i dont exactly "go to " school
MSmits: the building is almost empty
MSmits: i just go in, take my sht and leave
Astrobytes: Use the toilet like everyone else you beast :P
MSmits: oh, that's right, I could have stolen some rolls
MSmits: missed opportunity
MSmits: and, no, I am not using the tests
MSmits: have some respect!
Astrobytes: "i just go in, take my sht and leave"...
MSmits: yea yea
MSmits: students do not like it when they make a test and you take months to grade it
MSmits: I couldnt really leave them there ungraded
Astrobytes: The Phantom Shtter of Old Whatever-Town-It-Is
MSmits: lol
Astrobytes: But yeah, definitely the right thing to do
MSmits: I had a video meeting for my studies todat
MSmits: my teacher invited a teacher from a different school to talk about their coder class
MSmits: really awesome, these young students (12 and up) learn coding 5 hrs a week
Astrobytes: That's awesome
MSmits: by the time they're 18, they know enough to work at an IT company
Astrobytes: The only coding experience we ever got was LOGO programming on a BBC Micro in primary school
struct: MSmits in CSB you use 9 moves right?
MSmits: well that's the norm in my country in most cases
MSmits: struct only 7
MSmits: I did 8 for a while, but 7 worked slightly better
struct: you dont shield angle?
MSmits: oh wait
MSmits: i thought you meant depth
Astrobytes: Kids can learn so much so young, just a question of allocating resources
MSmits: in that case, it is only 5 I think
MSmits: right Astrobytes
struct: only 5?
struct: 200 0, 18 -18
MSmits: yes, maybe 6 sometimes? On average less than 5
struct: you dont have
struct: shield 0 18 -18
MSmits: 3, 5, or 6 it was i think, depending on circumstances
MSmits: no shield no, just first layer
MSmits: so depth 0
MSmits: because I prune many move sequences, the branching is quite low
MSmits: I think many attempts at smitsi in csb fail because people try all moves
MSmits: you cant converge that way
MSmits: a regular turn has 2 types of power (0 or max) and 3 types of angle (-18,0,18), so max 6 moves
MSmits: but because many move combinations make no sense, it is on average much less
MSmits: maybe I should publish my move sequence pruning at some point. it's really effective
MSmits: more proud of that part than anything else in my bot :P
struct: isnt it just if you -18 0
MSmits: no not just that
struct: you wont 18 0 next turn
MSmits: there's more
MSmits: if i do -18 0, i wont allow the following on next turn:
MSmits: 18 0
Astrobytes: tech io tuto incoming
MSmits: 0 0
MSmits: i think also 18 100
Astrobytes: Makes sense
MSmits: i think after -18 0 I only allow -18 100 or -18 0
MSmits: because you do this to take a sharp turn right?
struct: hmm
MSmits: so either you keep turning at 0 power, or you start turning with power because you almost finished the turn
MSmits: let me check it
MSmits: ah yes
YurkovAS: MSmits can you share avg count of mcts nodes (moves)?
MSmits: what i said was correct, just those two moves
MSmits: so some nodes have branching 2
MSmits: what does that mean YurkovAS
MSmits: total nodes in game?
YurkovAS: yes, i'm try to prune moves, but it not give benefit
MSmits: hmm ok
MSmits: I dont save the tree
MSmits: like in mcts, you cant really do that
MSmits: apparently, most turns I use around 50-60k nodes
struct: per pod?
YurkovAS: total or per pod?
MSmits: total
YurkovAS: MSmits thanks!
MSmits: any time
struct: I guess I know why my smitsimax never worked
MSmits: oh, sometimes it goes below 40k
MSmits: probably has to do with collisions
MSmits: expensive sims
MSmits: how is that struct?
struct: I used like 100k nodes
struct: oh wait
MSmits: ah
MSmits: yes, you prune less
struct: I didnt visit the 100k+ obviously
struct: but it expanded to that
MSmits: neither did I
MSmits: i expand to 40-60k
MSmits: but I branch less
MSmits: so i expand less
MSmits: it's easy to converge when you have very little branching
YurkovAS: now i use ~500k nodes. min=200k, max=800k.
In my case it play better than: 40-80k
MSmits: wow
MSmits: this is smitsi?
YurkovAS: yes
MSmits: crazy, how much depth?
struct: wtf
struct: how many sims?
YurkovAS: top15 :smiley:
Astrobytes: And this is with AVX on UCT?
YurkovAS: sims ~300k
MSmits: how can you get so many nodes?
MSmits: with the same amount of sims that I get
YurkovAS: i'm recheck now count of nodes
struct: oh my
struct: forget my old number of 100k nodes
struct: I just checked
struct: more like 600k-900k nodes for me
MSmits: is that in a full game or in a turn?
struct: turn
struct: with around 170k sims
MSmits: ok let me check mine then
struct: This is without pruning
struct: and allowing shield every turn
struct: so its like 9 moves per turn at worse
MSmits: yeah it really is 40-60k for me
YurkovAS: avg=600k, min=400k, max=1mil nodes total for 4 pods
struct: that is with pruning YurkovAS?
YurkovAS: sims 300-400k
MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/e5405535-7a69-422e-9e47-627a0a6c808c
YurkovAS: no, with pruning play bad. i'm try to find better result
MSmits: maybe your pruning has a bug?
YurkovAS: my bot is bug. when i use ttl=150 vs ttl=75 in brutal tester - they play same. but sims count 2x time more
MSmits: hmm ok
MSmits: I should stop talking about csb, I dont want to be dragged back into it :) Already fighting nn's in oware
MSmits: I think everything above me in csb is a nn
MSmits: except iggy maybe?
struct: I wonder if sims will make a difference
MSmits: they will
Astrobytes: Donno about that one, just saw the leaderboard yesterday after a long while
MSmits: I can go deeper with more sims
MSmits: or explore more
MSmits: either way, it helps
MSmits: also, with avx sim I could defeat that final boss in br2k :)
MSmits: being stuck behind a wood boss is embarassing
Astrobytes: IT's not real wood tho
MSmits: I know
struct: dont make me open yavalath league with undefeatable boss
Astrobytes: Laminated boss
MSmits: what would an undefeatable boss look like?
MSmits: I know one way
struct: Which way?
MSmits: make him always be p1, choose middle hex and disallow swap :P
MSmits: steal I mean
struct: The referee doesnt know if it is the boss that is playing
MSmits: oww
MSmits: well then I got nothing
Astrobytes: Guess it could if you sent it a signal
Astrobytes: :P
MSmits: a secret signal we can also use ?
Astrobytes: Is that possible on CG? I know they did similar things in Halite
struct: Ill send some generated stuff from bot
struct: to referee
struct: referee reads and decodes
struct: if its right its bot
MSmits: Astrobytes yeah it is I think.
MSmits: You just need an agreed upon starting sequence
Astrobytes: Cool
MSmits: however, people would figure it out and then abuse it
MSmits: so say, you wanted to boost me in oware
Astrobytes: Half the fun tho right?
MSmits: you make yourself lose whenever you know it's me
Astrobytes: :P
MSmits: then someone else would pose as me and do the same moves
Astrobytes: Yeah, I guess spoofing isn't so much suited to CG games
MSmits: see i know what that word is because i am in an internet security class
struct: if (MSmit s) winratio = -winratio
Astrobytes: hehehe how long you have left on it?
MSmits: 4 more homeworks
MSmits: I think they delayed this weeks' homework because of corona
Astrobytes: I like your measurement scale
MSmits: yes, so 1 month :)
MSmits: after that I will start an artificial intelligence class
Astrobytes: Yeah, loads of people I know have been delayed at least a week, most a month
MSmits: I was supposed to do media and user interaction
MSmits: but that got cancelled
MSmits: I;m so sad that i get to do AI instead ot hat
MSmits: sooooo sad
Astrobytes: HCI is always good tho
MSmits: yes, but... AI
Astrobytes: Obviously AI too ;)
MSmits: it's like free study credits to me. But still worth it, because it increases my motivation level
MSmits: internet security is so boring to me
MSmits: It's important... but boring
MSmits: interesting, and also.... boring
Astrobytes: lol, I can understand that
MSmits: btw, for oware I am now using a pure sinusoid for kroo param
MSmits: period 11 because you seed 11 spots before you repeat
MSmits: and it goes both negative and positive, so on average the bonus is 0
MSmits: i fit the amplitude and I have a power param to make the sine more spiky if necessary (it's currently at 1 though)
MSmits: i had a growing sine before, giving more bonus for larger seed counts, but I stopped that. i figured I already have a bonus for seedcount, so why pollute the sine with it
Astrobytes: Clever.
Astrobytes: I like that
MSmits: i turn it into a lookup array
MSmits: so i dont have to calc the thing during eval, just a small kroo[]
Astrobytes: Yeah I figured as much
Astrobytes: Would be pretty expensive doing that everytime
MSmits: https://imgur.com/a/hKXubEC
MSmits: i had fixed bonuses first, 30+ params, one for every seedcount + pit combo
MSmits: but then turned that into a sine
struct: what do you use to make those graphs
MSmits: orange line was what i used when i first beat the nns
MSmits: just excel struct
Astrobytes: You should do a small paper on this
Astrobytes: Be better than half the other ones out there tbh
MSmits: for oware, yeah I guess so
MSmits: I wouldnt even mind giving stuff away, but I worry ruining the leaderboard
Astrobytes: No need to give anything away directly
MSmits: yeah it's a tough balance
Astrobytes: Or indirectly. Just your findings
MSmits: I also think my bitboard functions are really interesting
MSmits: the seeding + capturing
MSmits: I could double someone's simcount by sharing that
Astrobytes: Implementation as exercise to the reader
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: you know, I really want to just pick 1 game and do a bitboard tutorial at some point
MSmits: yavalath is too complex, uttt too messy
struct: Also on something that is not hex
MSmits: checkers and oware are pretty well suited fo rit
struct: also breakthghrough
MSmits: bandas too
struct: or I can bring Orima
MSmits: i didnt do breakthrough yet
MSmits: a good bitboard tutorial shouldnt just cover adding and removing moves
MSmits: it should also have some pdep / pext usage
Astrobytes: Fair points
Zenoscave: PCR Gold!!!!
MSmits: grats Zenoscave
Zenoscave: no sim yet either
Astrobytes: grats Zeno
Zenoscave: thx thx
MSmits: sim is where the pain begins :)
Zenoscave: That's why I avoided it
MSmits: think about csb, only with pods pooping out other pods
Zenoscave: I hate that idea
MSmits: oh
MSmits: i mean
Zenoscave: It scares me
MSmits: think about csb, only with pods giving birth to other pods
MSmits: that better?
Astrobytes: No.
Zenoscave: not at all
MSmits: ah well I tried
Astrobytes: Worse I think.
Zenoscave: Thanks for the effort
MSmits: :)
MSmits: pcr is much more fun to look at though
MSmits: like onitama is much more fun to look at than checkers
MSmits: time to get going i think, it's late :)
MSmits: gn guys
struct: gn MSmits
Zenoscave: gn
GuYou: :)
Astrobytes: gn man take care
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