eulerscheZahl: EvModder not all games provide parameters in addition to the seed
VizGhar: hey eulerscheZahl did you managed to run brutaltester somehow?
eulerscheZahl: didn't try
VizGhar: hmm ok thanks... I'm unable to run it (neither wonto)
eulerscheZahl: i know that you have to patch the referee first in order to expose a command line
VizGhar: I only wanted to print java -jar tester.jar -h
VizGhar: with no success
VizGhar: In that case i shouldnt need referee
EvModder: Is this the correct way to get a spider's position next turn?:
constexpr pii get_next_xy(){
return sym_truncate({x_+vx_+.5, y_+vy_+.5});
}
EvModder: wait let me simplify that lol
EvModder: new_x = symmetric_truncate(old_x + .5)
EvModder: new_y = symmetric_truncate(old_y + .5)
EvModder: wait damnit I forgot vx and vy
EvModder: new_x = symmetric_truncate(old_x + vx + .5) **** there we go
BenjaminUrquhart: I just add vx and vy lol
PatrickMcGinnisII: .5?
EvModder: I was doing that too but it seems to be incorrect
EvModder: apparently x = x + vx is wrong lol
BenjaminUrquhart: works well enough for me
JulienKerlero: since vx and vy are integer I don't get why you would truncate them ?
EvModder: because in the underlying game engine they are doubles, not int
JulienKerlero: oh I see
EvModder: for example, it might tell you vx is 400 but next turn you see the entity has only moved 399 in that direction
JulienKerlero: then how do you know what are the real vx and vy ?
EvModder: we don't, but it always either truncates or "rounds up" (i.e., .1 becomes 1)
EvModder: so I just picked .5 arbitrarily
EvModder: saying 0.0001 is equally valid and will give the same output
JulienKerlero: isnt is written in the rules how it is truncated?
EvModder: yeah, i just wanted someone to check my math lol
EvModder: I'm basing off the source code of the engine here: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/c481d8fcaafbba9e4dbf767ee4d0b4040d088938/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Vector.java#L164
JulienKerlero: dude its 7am where i am and I havent sleep
EvModder: f
Fallback: Has anybody seen strange-ness around the velocity of mind controlled mobs? The flags from GC will say that they are threatening a base when the velocity isn't because it is from before the mind control.
EvModder: i think even if u mind-control a monster to be outside ur base it won't lose it's target
EvModder: only wind has that feature
PatrickMcGinnisII: it divides by length so i see where it can lose digits, but significnt to 1/2200
PatrickMcGinnisII: .0045
EvModder: this is what annoys me with challenges like this... (floating point precision)
Ketroc: It takes 2 frames from the CONTROL cast before the velocity/trajectory is updated.
cegprakash: Are the servers back to normal?
BenjaminUrquhart: mostly
PatrickMcGinnisII: there's more serious errors. a mob can have a threat of 1 and have a travel trajectory where it doesn't get caught by base and goes off the board
Ketroc: ya, I think they were always normal... it's just when they opened silver league they had to run games for everyone at once, so it took hours.
PatrickMcGinnisII: i shielded several and lost mana for nothing, i attacked/wind several and lost turns.
PatrickMcGinnisII: like 9 hours
Ketroc: i've never noticed that. maybe you just winded it to where it then missed the base
PatrickMcGinnisII: no i wind to keep it from getting caught, when it wouldn't have
PatrickMcGinnisII: althought threat said it would
Ketroc: well, I've never engaged a spider with threat 1 that ended up missing the zone.
PatrickMcGinnisII: very small %, but it happens
PatrickMcGinnisII: they don't snap to lineborder
EvModder: floating point nonsense.. i miss pacman game lol
Ketroc: pretty sure there is only integers. when I truncate my calculations to ints, it matches perfectly to the in-game trajectories
PatrickMcGinnisII: i was trying to CONTROL mobs to opposite enemy base corners to screw up defenders, but the math never worked right
burnpanck: There are all sorts of strange things in this game implementation; calculations are done with floats, but truncated to ints in an almost-but-not-quite symmetrical fashion at random places
Ketroc: ya, that is true. if you send em to the exact corner, they just walk off the screen (but their threatFor won't be 1)
burnpanck: for example the speed of a monster is truncated to integer almost all times, except when a monster is pushed outside the base radius - then it receives a random, floating point speed. the positions are then truncated at each move step.
Ketroc: I just aim them in an extra 100 coords from the corner.
PatrickMcGinnisII: pulling my defenders is just ugh https://www.codingame.com/replay/624191897
struct: burnpanck I agree with you
struct: its a mess
jacek: they should have used BigDecimal :v
Aramang: do you gain wild mana if you hit spiders in the enemy base?
VizGhar: hmm good question
VizGhar: wild mana: mana gained outside the radius of your base.
VizGhar: so answer is yes
dbdr: defend the enemy base, win on wild mana :D
VizGhar: yeah, and with your defenders only redirect spiders to opp base
struct: I would say you do
Kururugi: is there any way to calculate the wild mana i have generated?
Kururugi: within game
dbdr: you can estimate it
DaNinja: If your hero’s new position is outside base and within 800 from the monsters old position, then damage is dealt and you get wild mana
Uljahn: is wild mana generated by damaging monsters or just by staying outside the base?
struct: damaged monsters by heroes that are outside your base
struct: So if a monster is inside but your hero is outside you get wild mana
YiCao: Please, When to open Gold and Legend?
therealbeef: why does that matter?
VizGhar: therealbeef people sometimes ask questions just to get answers ;)
YiCao: Yes :sweat_smile:
therealbeef: but 100s of people asking the same not-very-relevant question all day gets a bit old
VizGhar: that's true
Uljahn: new league every two days
YiCao: Thanks UIJahn
eulerscheZahl: i'm surprised that they opened a league on Sunday
VizGhar: so they don't have to deal with everybody complaining how slow the promotion is :P
eulerscheZahl: maybe because it was an old game and they already had a boss. like for the planet game where they had leagues up to gold on beginning
eulerscheZahl: so not a player's bot this time i assume
VizGhar: hmm maybe... and what was format of this game before? Probably not full blown online contest
eulerscheZahl: no, a shorter duration. 1.5 days for the one we found
eulerscheZahl: maybe it was used on other occasions with different timeframes, no idea
struct: I still think the boss should have been stronger
struct: The boss seems stronger than my bot
struct: and mine still passed
VizGhar: for sure... this one is joke
eulerscheZahl: i promoted without spoells
therealbeef: maybe the samsung contest was a bit longer, who knows
struct: was samsung contest confirmed?
Kururugi: For this contest, is there any genetic algo i could use?
Examples would be good too. Like using the referee brutaltester to improve my ga
eulerscheZahl: you have to code your own, no framework provided
therealbeef: no, but i see no other explanation for a guy submitting a bot within 2 after contest launch that then dominates field for 4 days
therealbeef: *2 hours
VizGhar: aha... so thats why 2 samsung guys are at top
Kururugi: i see
therealbeef: either that or the guy is a god
struct: not 2 VizGhar
Kururugi: but is there any example of a ga learning against itself and improving?
struct: https://i.imgur.com/sQ1ALu4.png
jrke: i think that default AI is stronger than boss3
VizGhar: hehe... They wont win... you can see they are only using heuristics
struct: I cant talk much though I also had an advantage the previous contest
Kururugi: heurestics are only as strong as its robustness
Kururugi: the more it can deal with complex situation, the better
derjack: best heuristic is: doWinningMoves()
derjack: :upside_down:
struct: Is that what you use on most board games?
derjack: this is jacekmax. instawin
derjack: if both use jacekmax, servers crash
struct: im just waiting for last day submit
struct: maybe there is a bug
derjack: there are many bugs in this game. the point is to kill them
struct: I meant feature sorry
aCat: so far no sim batter then heuristics confirmed so....
Westicles: euler got silver with no wind?
struct: I havent submited yet aCat
aCat: you are my hope struct :*
struct: Guess i'll have to code then
aCat: good motivation ;]
struct: I guess it can also be last contest and my last chance to get a shirt
Kururugi: yeah that is..
dbdr: any official announcement about that?
struct: no
aCat: so why people think that way?
aCat: because CG is slacking off and givin as old games?
struct: Math
struct: 2020 3 contests
struct: 2021 2 contests
struct: 2022 1 contest
aCat: yyy
derjack: 2024 -1 contest
aCat: 2022 you have first half
EvModder: wait what? no future shirts after this contest?
dbdr: what about fall 2022?
derjack: they ran out of stock
aCat: in 2021 first half you had 1 contest also
EvModder: are there shirts for this contest at least??
struct: EvModder I just dont know if there will be more contests, but I know the same as you
EvModder: if no shirts, why am i even competing lol
struct: It was just a way to motivate myself, there will probably more contests
EvModder: so are there shirts for this contest, or not?
struct: There are
struct: top 20
EvModder: alright
Westicles: the issue is they aren't going to have employees around capable of making one of these. almost nobody is working on CG anymore
dbdr:
Win a CodinGame T-shirt
The 3 winners will receive a personalized canvas of the event artwork!
Also 20 T-shirts will be awarded to the 20 top players in the Leaderboard!
SirLoxley: How can I play against a friend who's not in the top 1000?
SirLoxley: I cannot find his bot
dbdr: community has done official contests in the past
struct: you cant
aCat: yep
aCat: planty of community people willing to do games
aCat: and skilled enough in the cg sdk
eulerscheZahl: technically you had the tshirt chance twice in the last year, escape also gave some
struct: I was porting backgammon before contest but didnt have enough time to finish it yet
struct: its not about the shirt
struct: an escape shirt wont have the same meaning
eulerscheZahl: it's about winning it by achieving something, i know
eulerscheZahl: i'm competitive enough to have the same way of thinking
dbdr: top 20 escape is much harder (for me ;) )
eulerscheZahl: *top5 teams
eulerscheZahl: you could have cheated: play once, reveal all hints to speedrun with high penalty. then do it again with other account as you know the answers
eulerscheZahl: but as said: not the same feeling of achievement
dbdr: didn't they count time from start of event for main lb?
dbdr: I know there was one for your own time as well, but that's cheatable indeed
eulerscheZahl: if you are fast enough, you can do 2 runs before others finish the first
dbdr: then you win without cheating :D
eulerscheZahl: i feel like sometimes i need to CONTROL spells to redirect. is that just me?
eulerscheZahl: it's cheating as you still reveal all hints without getting penalty for it
struct: I just use wind and hope rng redirects it
eulerscheZahl: *two control
dbdr: ah yeah, forgot about hints, sorry
dbdr: eulerscheZahl isn't it just the 1 turn delay?
struct: one weird beahviour i found with control spell is that vx and vy dont get updated next turn but threathFor does
eulerscheZahl: https://i.imgur.com/FMKEEQx.png
dbf: eulerscheZahl , congrats with codejam round results, how is your sim going? :)
eulerscheZahl: thanks, didn't expect to do that well on codejam. and i gave up on sim
struct: euler vx and vy dont get updated
eulerscheZahl: thanks struct. sounds like a bug to me
eulerscheZahl: is it reported?
dbdr: eulerscheZahl yes, control applies one turn later. you don't need to do it twice, just wait
struct: I reported it on the forum
struct: No answer yet
aCat: its not a bu i suppose
struct: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2022-bugs-questions/195480/54
struct: maybe add a reply with that image
eulerscheZahl: what if not a bug? just a major WTF?
aCat: it is so that you do not know the intention of control
struct: But I know
struct: because threath is updated
dbdr: it's not applied yet. so not a bug?
aCat: lol
Westicles: was that guy right earlier that you can figure out the rng?
struct: Its not applied but threathfor gets updated dbdr
struct: Check on euler image
eulerscheZahl: let me extend the screenshot range
aCat: threats are changed ; -)
struct: it shows it
aCat: ok, that is a bug xd
dbdr: > Override the target's next action
dbdr: just ignore threat, you should compute that yourself anyways ;)
struct: But in this case it helps
struct: because you have wrong vx and vy
eulerscheZahl: https://i.imgur.com/tx5UeR3.png
struct: so threathfor helps if it was controlled by opponent
dbdr: it's not wrong, the control has not been applied yet
dbdr: it's the rules
eulerscheZahl: if i add the speed to the location, i certainly don't get the new location
dbdr: yes, because your control applies after that, not before
struct: But if it applies after why threathfor get updated?
struct: This is the part I dont get
eulerscheZahl: i already did a control in the turn before
dbdr: but control is delayed as per the rules
eulerscheZahl: for me it's a bug. suppose my opponent does a CONTROL: i won't even know
dbdr: struct yeah, threat is not consistent
struct: euler you have is_controlled i guess
dbdr: yes, not knowing what the opp does is intended. you know they did control, just not where
dbdr: just more fog ;)
struct: You know if he redirected it to your base though
kovi: yeah, at least you can track your own control
eulerscheZahl: i'm fine with the spider keeping the direction. but in the following turn the speed should be undated to the following direction
dbdr: in turn t + 2 it is, no?
dbf: eulerscheZahl, are you going to use heuristics and geometry instead of sim?
eulerscheZahl: i count this as a bug and wait for a CG resolution instead of coding on my own to account for it
EvModder: what is the bug?
struct: Which part is the bug euler?
eulerscheZahl: i don't know yet dbf
struct: vx and vy not getting updated?
struct: or threatfor getting updaed?
eulerscheZahl: bug = speed not updated in inputs
EvModder: spiders revert back to the direction they were originally going after control spell ends?
eulerscheZahl: that's my monte carlo at work
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/623689521
dbdr: eulerscheZahl, it's the referee applying what the statement says. won't be changed
VizGhar: EvModder they shouldnt
eulerscheZahl: but getting spells in there will be a pain
dbdr: imo
Salticid: Adding vx and vy to the position doesn't produce the next position (if I understand correctly)
EvModder: VisGhar are you sure?
EvModder: when I read the rules, it sounds like they should
Tiramon: according to text and referee i say they should ...
struct: I agree with Tiramon
struct: It will save me work
Tiramon: ;)
eulerscheZahl: does Tiramon agree with me? i'm getting more and more confused
EvModder: i agree as well, it seems to be what the rules say
dbdr: :D
Tiramon: afaik only wind changes vx/y in a random way
aCat: euler depth 1 + state eval?
EvModder: yes
eulerscheZahl: my monte carlo from the replay above is depth 15
struct: no beam?
eulerscheZahl: no
aCat: you do so deep search?
aCat: omg
eulerscheZahl: back to coding now, i'll close the chat
aCat: good luck
Tiramon: hm opening silver date was a timestamp and they forgot to add gold opening
dbdr: Tiramon statement does not really say if direction change is permanent
dbdr: but it is, right?
dbdr: and it says spiders go in a straight line
Tiramon: and in that way it should not in wind it is said that direction gets random
dbdr: so if it changes one turn, then they continue on that new line
Tiramon: to be precise text says
Override the target's next action with a step towards the given coordinates.
Tiramon: so it only affects the next step
dbdr: well, it should be clarified for sure
Tiramon: sure
dbdr: after the next step, control does not apply, but spiders go straight, so they continue :)
Tiramon: but we can keep euler from coding with discussing that with him ;)
dbdr: :P
dbdr: he closed I think
aCat: we can ping :>?
struct: we should let him code
struct: I want to beat him on a fair fight
Tiramon: omg battles are pretty slow again ...
eulerscheZahl: slow submit made me reopen the chat
aCat: :joy_cat:
Q12: Do you guys use sim? I don't know if to try to implement it or it is just a waste of time
Tiramon: didn't sim anything yet
struct: I cant code without sim
Q12: That what I thought struct, but it seems hard this time and maybe not worthwhile
struct: the referee is public
struct: just dont copy how they check if a spider is a threat
struct: :)
Tiramon: lol i got a fight with aggresive opp spells and my defense can handle it but he can't handle the incoming with his remaining 2 heroes ... thats a nice win
Q12: it doesn't feel right for me to just use complicated if else and geometry and heuristic
Q12: thanks struct I will check it out
VizGhar: I'm using heuristic... Dont have time for sim :) Hope I can get to top gold
struct: I need to use sim because I dont know math
Q12: :smile:
Q12: Yeah, It took me a while to check if spider is going to damage my base but I did it finally
VizGhar: I've just geometrized "closest intersection" so that I'm not wasting time following unreachable creep/finding optimal path to it. Also I'm able to attack multiple creeps at once... but no search
VizGhar: removed half my code... heuristic is hell
Q12: yeah, understood
VizGhar: dropped 400 places, but I think It was worth it
VizGhar: :P
cegprakash: d0m 2 attacker meta by d0m is OP :D
cegprakash: he is in top 300 with 2 attacker meta lol
Q12: I think I will keep with my code for a little while but in the end I would switch to sim
Aramang: i reckon my 3 defenders would do better vs 2 attacker than 1
Aramang: they tend to waste a lot of mana shielding themselves against 1 dude
cegprakash: not really Aramang
cegprakash: d0m wrecks u https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/624223877
Aramang: so do 700 other bots lol
cegprakash: stop defending and go for the kill Aramang
cegprakash: attacking is the best defense
Aramang: yeah I'm adding some attacking stuff, but its more about making them waste time in base not gaining wild mana than dealing damage
_NikJ: personally, I can't make my bot right when attacking, my 3 defender bot was way higher inthe ranking than my 2+1 combo :(
_NikJ: Not sure what I'm doing wrong
EvModder: If I submit my current IDE code I'd probably drop 1000 places
yhyoxx: same
EvModder: but I still believe it is better, inherently :P
struct: I wouldnt because im at the bottom already
Tiramon: cegprakash but attacking is only useful if you got a working defense ;)
_NikJ: same EvModder
_NikJ: true, it could be that my 3 man defense is much much stronger than 2 man defense, that's why it's performing worse Tiramon
Tiramon: and even 2 heroes have to do the right stuff and can be effective that way
struct: Best way is 3 attackers
Q12: short games
cegprakash: sumbits too slow again :(
cegprakash: struct u mean 3 allrounders? :P
Tiramon: hm still loosing to many games by wild mana :(
struct: I have no idea about strategies in this game cegprakash
struct: Anyways it's my turn now to close the chat
struct: Ping me if mod action is needed
derjack: balls
MACKEYTH: Ah, finally got that timeout bug locked down
derjack: hm?
MACKEYTH: My challenge bot kept timing out mysteriously
Murat_Eroglu: Battles are really slow
MACKEYTH: Yeah they are
DollarAkshay: Getting network error
DollarAkshay: Anyone else ?
aatj: It would be interesting to know the range of memory usage and program complexity (calculations per round?) for everyone in the silver round.
ProS: same, 504
Digon: +1
eulerscheZahl: 504 all the time
ProS: when trying to open https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer
Rhadamanthus: I'm getting 504 too
ProS: Code wasn't saved(
eulerscheZahl: that's why you use an offline IDE and copy-paste it
ProS: That's strong argument you said
Rhadamanthus: That's exactly what I did :D
aCat: nie push euler ;-)
aCat: *nice
eulerscheZahl: and with a bit of extra setup you can code in multiple files and bundle it
aCat: anly way to do it ;]
eulerscheZahl: thanks. still very basic heuristics actually. not sure if others are bad or i'm lucky so far
aCat: without marger its a pain
eulerscheZahl: anly?
eulerscheZahl: and 2 losses in a row, just that you mentioned it
eulerscheZahl: 1h to reach 25% progress :zzz:
pychainman: good morning
kaitai: how often do promotions happen?
eulerscheZahl: every minute or so
kingSelom: I cant get it to work on my side
kingSelom: since yesterday
kingSelom: and there are my errors in the console too
kaitai: I mean I started yesterday and didnt get promotion in couple of hours after beating boss
kaitai: now Im waiting for promotion out of the woods :wink:
Nerchio: eulerscheZahl your attacker feels lonely, nothing to do https://www.codingame.com/replay/624241074
eulerscheZahl: that's less than 30 lines of logic for the attacker. of course it's stupid
Nerchio: ye just find it funny when there's a guy in my base without nothing to do whole game, happens quite often
jrke: anybody in top 10 having sim?
Nerchio: but that's kinda the game you slip up once and you lose
eulerscheZahl: i don't really like the game. my goal is to reach legend and call it a day. and that will already require more effort than i want to take on this
eulerscheZahl: just out of tradition of reaching legend
Salticid: Game frequency seems to have picked up a bit
kingSelom: Guys the player is not working for me, I cant see what's going on, it's gray
kingSelom: anyone having the same?
Salticid: That happened to me yesterday, I had to close the "last battles" slider and open it again, then it worked
kingSelom: ok i just changed my browser, now using firefox
kingSelom: it's working for now
burnpanck: eulerscheZahl same here except for the "tradition of reaching legend" part :-)
kaitai: how do you get text above heroes?
_NikJ: MOVE X Y YOURTEXT
_NikJ: basically just append whatever you want to the existing command
kaitai: tysm
_NikJ: Silly me, it seems as though always send the nearest hero to the monster is not a very good strat
Murat_Eroglu: eulerscheZahl, do you think that some if else algorithm will be enough to reach Legend league?
eulerscheZahl: yes
Alurian: yes
eulerscheZahl: for other games like the previous contest: no way
but this one is different
Tiramon: does wild mean outside of 6k or 5k from base?
Rhadamanthus: yes
_NikJ: I'd say 5k, 6k is only mentioned when it comes to fog
Rhadamanthus: outside 5k
dbdr: the question is whether a pure search can reach legend ;)
blasterpoard: 5k, and wild mana will be irrelevant, don't worry about it
kaitai: my heroes are obsessed their initial targets disregarding anything else :innocent:
dbdr: blasterpoard, do you think attack is OK?
dbdr: OP, I mean :)
kaitai: also it's my first challenge here and I'll aim for legend
blasterpoard: dbdr https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/624251262 judge it yourself
blasterpoard: I'm murdering *everyone* in <80 turns at the moment
kaitai: lol :joy:
blasterpoard: ille dan sometimes lasts a bit longer though
dbdr: nice blasterpoard
Fox787: hmm, i need to learn this technique, looks like fun
_NikJ: THAT WIND COMBO WAS INSANE
Murat_Eroglu: Nice combo
Tiramon: blasterpoard not with your current arena ... i didn't loose a life
Tiramon: that wind attack ist still ide?
desoindx: Hello !
I have something i don't understand on this game: https://www.codingame.com/replay/624213755
On the turn 135, none of my hero attack the monster 90 even if he is in range :/
dbdr: desoindx the attack is counted before the spiders move, did you account for that?
blasterpoard: ofc im hiding it Tiramon, I would gain no information by submitting
therealbeef: blasterpoard will submit in 6 days and 22 hours...
Fox787: And then won't have long enough for placement to function
therealbeef: no, the game waits for everyone to finish their matches
therealbeef: he can even submit in bronze
struct: Distance: 993.98692144313
desoindx
aCat: blasterpoard heur or sim?
_NikJ: feels illegal that you can 'double wind'
jrke: _NikJ whats your opinion on triple wind then?:stuck_out_tongue:
blasterpoard: aCat sim, up to depth 6 in that replay... kinda
aCat: :*
aCat: sims are not hopeless ok, nice to know
kovi: but no opponent prediction i guess
_NikJ: rip jrke
aCat: but I'm kining a heuristic try now ;]
_NikJ: no better way to put it, if someone shoots a triple wind rocket towards my base, I'd just surrender :D
aCat: *koding
aCat: lol
eulerscheZahl: coding
therealbeef: double wind, double inpulse, double distance; seems reasonable
_NikJ: seems legit
struct: just wait until you find double hulk
_NikJ: next up: casting control on all 3 enemy heroes automatically makes them succumb to you and surrender
jrke: _NikJ in that case your heros also won't do anything else except spells so that can be dangerous though
jrke: or you can cast spell in a way that opponent heors protects your base
dbdr: pretty fun idea jrke :D
Fox787: I have seen a few get attacking hero behind the enemy heroes and just wind spam them out
jrke: :sweat_smile:
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/624272938 illeda.n is definitely the most annoying defensive bot right now
_NikJ: I've seen one where someone put 1 hero in base and just spam wind, 1 in middle to farm and wind spiders towards the 3rd, while the 3rd was spamming wind into enemy base
Rhadamanthus: arrrg I'm hovering around 30 XD... so close!
kaitai: if you have 3 heroes stacking wind you can push spiders to enemy base without them seeing it :grin:
Rhadamanthus: Yeah I saw that once and it is scary lol
Nerchio: blasterpoard show me our game, I will probably die fast but I want to see
blasterpoard: Nerchio https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/624283053 oof, your bot is even better at defense
struct: Cant beat a starcraft player
_NikJ: Why do I feel like stacking wind shouldn't be possible?
_NikJ: Seems kinda meh to be able to pull monster from the center, then double wind straight into base without any chance of enemy reacting
Nerchio: blasterpoard I mostly tuned it against 1 attacker, not many people use 2
Nerchio: that's why your strat works so well atm
_NikJ: I mean, obviously, I would've done it too if I figured it out before, but seems it shouldn't be possible
struct: you can even cast 3
struct: Maybe with 6 you can make it across the map
struct: let me try :p
IvesL: this can be solved by placing shields on monsters
IvesL: but only if you are willing
IvesL: not many people do that
_NikJ: Yes, but you're shielding monsters which attack you
_NikJ: either way you're screwed
Q12: you can attack him before he attacks you
Q12: he only have one defender
Q12: *has
_NikJ: You could also attack with 3 instantly and hope for the best, but just because you beat some people, doesn't mean overall you wonj't be losing a lot :D
IvesL: that means you need better vision control
IvesL: you could have reacted when someone is near your base
IvesL: control him, search near him whatever
_NikJ: I do agree with you, I still however believe that stacking wind shouldn't be possible
IvesL: i had thoughts like yours when i saw it first few days back
jrke: i have an idea that can be good not sure maybe
IvesL: but to do so, you risk your defense, that means the opponent could also take advantage of that
SirLoxley: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/f61f750f-e547-4c6b-9eb3-24620cce5613
struct: meh cant make all the map even with 6 winds
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/624292360
struct: last turn
dbdr: struct :D
Nerchio: are you having fun struct
struct: someone had to test it :p
_NikJ: LMAO
_NikJ: that was funny af
_NikJ: I'm bookmarking that replay
dbdr: well, 2200 * 6
IvesL: makes sense, 6*2200=13200; diagonal distance 19794
_NikJ: now it's time to put 3 of them 2/3rds of the way to enemy base and spam wind on all 3, wonder how that bot would do :D
struct: well you can be in fog and use 3 winds
IvesL: @_NikJ you mean statiolake
struct: and it will reach the base
IvesL: https://www.codingame.com/replay/622091030
_NikJ: lmao IvesL
_NikJ: what rank is it atm?
IvesL: silver 1900 sth
_NikJ: huh, thought it would do better
IvesL: idk if he changes but i doubt
_NikJ: maybe if he started sooner, he started kinda late
struct: its too risky
ItsNotABug: stacking wind is so busted
Nerchio: :wave: ItsNotABug
ItsNotABug: Yo
SirLoxley: "Directory src/main/resources/view/assets not found." ... I don't have a java IDE, but trying to run the referee with mvn ... how to fix that
ItsNotABug: Ranking has finished, i'm above boss... but no timer to move up?
Ekaon: Someone knows if we can shield continuously ? Like if (entity.shield_life <= 1)
IvesL: no
IvesL: only == 0
aCat: one turn without shiled is sure
Ekaon: So it let the opponent use this turn against us
IvesL: SHIELD also protects entities from receiving a new SHIELD.
Ekaon: Yes, but I was wondering if the spell would apply after the end of the shield, and before opponent actions
Ekaon: But you wall seems to say this isnt possible
Ekaon: Thanks for the answer !
burnpanck: Coding heuristic bots is so frustrating! My python 3 bot from the first day of the contest still performs better than any of my C++ bots - even an "exact" reimplementation of the python bot in C++. Heuristics are so fragile!
aatj: You an see the Action order for one term in the problem statement. 3 is application of shield spells, 8 is decrement of shield countdowns.
ItsNotABug: Up into silver is good enough for me tonight. Be back when gold is open :peace:
dinggg: Do you know when Gold opens?
Ekaon: What is heuristic bot ?
aatj: Tomorrow evening, ~30 hours, I understand.
HerkusP: it's faker
HerkusP: :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
HerkusP: :flushed:
HerkusP: Juliau
HerkusP: paziurek i mane
struct: stop spamming
Vyerz: baikit
HerkusP: sorry men
Vyerz: juokauju
Uljahn: english here, guys
Vyerz: ;)
Vyerz: ok man
HerkusP: i am sorry
Ekaon: How can we name our heroes ?
Ekaon: I the game view I see some bot name their heroes with their behaviour
aCat: add text after command
aCat: MOVE 44 56 here i go
Ekaon: Thank you !
Audrone: hello
aCat: :-)
pychainman: what is the mana that is read from input. It doesn't seem to be the current amount of available mana.
Uljahn: eh?
Q12: maybe your confusing with the opponent mana
pychainman: oh
Q12: the loop in the beginning gives your mana and health and also the opponent mana and health
aatj: Wild mana, I understand, is a measure of the total number of strikes performed over the game - sum of damage. It's not stored for you, and there is no way, I understand, to calculate the opponent's wild mana.
pychainman: wild mana is from damage outside the radius of your base
Alurian: yes, but it's all strikes outside your base
aatj: Right, thanks
Djellowman: you could keep track only of the opponents wild mana if you have permanent vision of their heroes
pychainman: boss 3 has not provided 3 lines in time lol, wth
pychainman: The boss bot TLE on me hmm
SirLoxley: Sorry for the spam, is there really no one able to run the local referee outside of an IDE?
_NikJ: I switched from 3 def bot to 2 def 1 attacker bot and dropped from 200th in silver to like 1500th. Would anyone care to take a look and see if I'm doing something blatantly wrong?
AshamanCooper: What is wrong with this? if (light_x - initial_tx < 0 ) and (light_y - initial_ty = 0):
print("E")
blasterpoard: controlling spiders already in base range doesn't do anything; you're just wasting a lot of mana with your attacker and not achieving anything
Uljahn: AshamanCooper: use == to compare
AshamanCooper: Uljahn: awesome, thank you :)
egor1: lol
TobiasA: this really hurt my feelings. I was so close
TobiasA: https://www.codingame.com/replay/624334099
_NikJ: the comeback is real
TobiasA: my defenders were windind like their lives depended on it in those last few seconds
TobiasA: I could see the fear:joy:
TobiasA: *winding
DaNinja: SirLoxley try this from a previous challenge https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/springchallenge-2021-referee-graphics/190947
DaNinja: try copying view/assets to view/assets/assets
Gordonihno: when is the best to use wind on spider attacking your base? i always spam too much or too late
EvModder: if u know u can't kill it in time (turns until attack < turns it will take to kill)
EvModder: however, it gets trickier if there is an enemy around
Aramang: if wild mana is a win condition for you its generally worth winding them entirely out of the base area
EvModder: i guess it depends how much health they have currently
EvModder: but in general yes
Aramang: yeah it would, mostly it keeps your heroes from getting stuck inside though
EvModder: the other benefit to winding them outside is they might randomly target the enemy
Gordonihno: hm i tryed to push them away to farm wild mana, but when enemy attacks me i lose because instead of killing, i try to wind them away
SirLoxley: thanks!
EvModder: what happens if a monster is 1 or 2 health and both players have a hero in range of it?
EvModder: who gets the mana? or do both get mana?
Ekaon: Both gets it
EvModder: ok that's good
Aramang: i think if you have 3 heroes in range you get mana 3 times too
Djellowman: what do people mean when they say heuristic bots?
EvModder: ^ i've been wondering the same
Djellowman: it's not like you can do a minimax search or something
EvModder: i think they mean something like machine-learning-based or hand-tuned
Djellowman: basically everyone's bot uses heuristics... just not necessarily static game state evaluations
Aramang: it means they mean not sim/ML really
Aramang: basically better logic executed less
EvModder: ah figured
Djellowman: is anyone using ML for this hackathon then?
EvModder: (I'm actually using a bit of a min-max, but it makes a few assumptions currently that aren't 100% true)
Djellowman: how can you locally train the game if you don't have local access to all other peoples
Djellowman: bots
EvModder: can train against yourself
Djellowman: how do you do minimax if you can't look steps ahead?
Aramang: in theory if you beat a bot you beat everyone below them too
EvModder: Djellowman I assume that the only "possible" moves are the only "logical" moves, i.e., moving towards targets or casting spells on targets
Djellowman: i think if you'd so something like a genetic algorithm, you won't stumble upon the handmade strats that people made, and will have weaknesses because your model hasn't seen those bots befoer when battling in arena
EvModder: which limits the # of moves but is subtly incorrect
Djellowman: but that's a huge branching factor if you take everything into account... plus you can only see part of the entities
EvModder: Yeah, I think the trick is a combination of ML and hand-made strats personally
EvModder: and yes, the branching is crazy... that's why I've been trying for 3 days straight to crack the random game seed so I know the vx,vy of all entities as soon as they spawn :)
Djellowman: does your minimax algo look ahead a few steps with all possible actions?
EvModder: only about 3 steps lmao
Djellowman: sounds about right tbh
EvModder: but hopefully that will improve if I can reliable get the seed within 15 turns
Djellowman: i guess you limit movement directions to cardinal 4 directions, or 8
EvModder: I limit directions based on possible targets
EvModder: so if you can see 4 entities, minmax assumes heros will only move towards those 4 or towards base
EvModder: so far it's not been working well for me though
Aramang: is it move to intercept the target or move to target?
EvModder: to intercept
EvModder: it takes X turns to reach, move towards where it will be in X turns
EvModder: i could add the other possibility as a branch, but it would only help me against weaker bots
Aramang: yeah that would be silly
EvModder: handling spells is really tricky because I need to keep double-checking rules for event order
Gordonihno: can anyone look at my "monster danger level" function and tell me whats wrong
eulerscheZahl: don't share larger segments of code please, still a contest
peerdb: If I cast SHIELD on a monster, but in the same turn my opponent casts CONTROL on me, will I still shield the monster?
peerdb: In other words, does CONTROL override only a movement action, or any action
EvModder: control overrides action next turn, not current :)
peerdb: oh okay i missed that, thanks
EvModder: me too originally
Th1nhNg0: How i can run SpringChallenge2022 source code local ?
EvModder: u will need to make(or copy) a game engine simulator
Th1nhNg0: I found the source here https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022
EvModder: u can try to download, compile, and run it, but honestly it's probably more hassle to get it working than it's worth
peerdb: so if I check and see that my unit is under control (is_controlled == true), does it matter what I try to do?
EvModder: i just do "wait" when i see that
EvModder: because i dont think it matters
Nerchio: siman sorry :grin:
EvModder: i do "wait -_-"
KamiTzayig: i cant see the videos of the battles
KamiTzayig: only grey area
Djellowman: EvModder how do you do your heuristic / terminal node evaluations? that seems like a very daunting task for this game... which patch through the tree do you pick / sort moves by?
jrke: how does wind work? unable to locate in referee:neutral_face:
EvModder: i have a tuple in this order: base health, mana, vision
EvModder: or more specifically, the difference between mine & opponents in each one
Djellowman: with moving to intercept you mean you take the coord distance per step and the vx/xy into account of the target entity?
EvModder: my_base_health - opp_base_health, my_mana - opp_mana, etc
therealbeef: jrke it's called push in referee
EvModder: yeah, i think so
Djellowman: what's referee
therealbeef: L285 in Referee.java
EvModder: he's talking about the game engine source code
Djellowman: ah yeah makes sense
Djellowman: 1 more question Ev
EvModder: ok
Djellowman: the last thing you sort by in your tuple is vision
Djellowman: how do you determine vision
EvModder: circles overlapping = less vision
Djellowman: do we have access to such variables
EvModder: there are 4 circles to account for
EvModder: base, and each of 3 heros
Djellowman: okay you just calculate circles around base & units i see
EvModder: yeah, i might drop it from my minmax though because of the excessive sqrt() calls
Djellowman: would be a good heuristic if you could see 100 steps far ;p
derjack: sqrt is cheap
derjack: in hardware
Djellowman: perhaps maximizing the sum of monster distance to your base ^ -2 would be useful
EvModder: yeah, that's probably a cheaper calculation too
Djellowman: where ones very near to your base have a quadratic effect on the heuristic
Djellowman: it might decide to blow them away lol
Djellowman: 50ms really isn't much for deeper searches though
DollarAkshay: is time.time() good enough to measure 100 ms ?
DollarAkshay: I mean is is good enough to measure times below 100ms on coding game.
RSBat: just set a little lower threshold (i.e. 95 instead of 100) and it should be ok
DollarAkshay: I am not using it as a threshold. Just want to know how accurate it is on CodinGame's platform
jobvan-d: I guess one could just calculate a^2 + bˆ2 = c^2 = distanceˆ2, and then just square the distance you want to compare it to, then you don't need a sqrt. Does need a square but that's much much faster
Alshock: DollarAkshay it is accurate to the ~50µs at least, but you will probably need more safety zone depending on your code loop. The timer starts when you read your first input (unless you tried to do too many stuff after your output, in which case this wil lcome first)
DollarAkshay: Ahh, alright. Thanks @Alshock
Alshock: Time.time is not recommended for such counts though, I think time.perf_counter() would be a better pick (time.time is absolute) https://docs.python.org/3/library/time.html#time.perf_counter
Michael_Howard: Is there any way to log more text to the console, so it's not cut off with "..." after a while?
Alshock: Michael_Howard best way to get better logs is to play against yourself locally IMHO
eulerscheZahl: you can zip and convert to base64
Alshock: well yeah you could even base96 your logs but is that really a good advice?
Inuit: v
DollarAkshay: hey does any one know the relation between monsterHp and turnNumber ?
peerdb: am I correct in assuming Gold opens on wednesday? How come this contest it doesnt show in the IDE when the new leagues open
Jasper_185: I think it was every 10 turns 1 extra hp is added
DigitalOsmosis: is there a way to challenge a specific player to see how you respond to their code?
DaNinja: delete Boss and select them if they are in range of your rank
DollarAkshay: @Jasper_185 Hmm that is pretty accurate thank you
peerdb: also not that it is anything except cosmetic, but purple spiders seem to start at idx 38 and red ones at 78
Michael_Howard: peerdb Gold opens Tuesday now I believe (used to be Wednesdays). They took it out because it was showing the date in Unix time, and they'd rather show no date than a correct but buggy looking date.
peerdb: aight thanks
Milanovich: DaNinja really nice strategy, can't seem to beat that!
Milanovich: Got like 20 spiders up in my base while you have 0 all the time ^^
DaNinja: :)
jamil.zaitouny: How long does it take until you get promoted to the next league if you're doing better than the boss?
therealbeef: it has a countdown at the top of your screen
jamil.zaitouny: Ah, the percentage battles?
blasterpoard: you need to finish 100% of your battles first, after that it should take only a couple of minutes
jamil.zaitouny: I see, thank you!
jamil.zaitouny: I wonder how far a greedy algorithm will take me
ddreams: greedy for what?
VizGhar: ftw
jamil.zaitouny: The distance of the insects from the base
ddreams: Low bronze :)
ddreams: that's what mine does
ddreams: the wood 1 bot also beat wood 2
jamil.zaitouny: Do older battles reset?
jamil.zaitouny: Like, if you leave your bot overnight
ddreams: well, mid bronze now
ddreams: Kind of
ddreams: other bots will battle yours
jamil.zaitouny: It seems like I'm going to fly through wood 1 which is great
jamil.zaitouny: Without using any spells lmao
ddreams: same here
ddreams: was sleeping while it beat wood 1 :D
jamil321: Is the number next to the battles the win rate?
DaNinja: ELO points are shown in leaderboard
Uljahn: TrueSkill rating
JohnyDaison: Wood is a tutorial. Bronze is the first actual challenge.
Quantee_: ^
jordonez: when does gold league open?
HenroLST: hello
Matryzas: hi
Matryzas: gold opens on tuesday if i remember
SirLoxley: Stupid question, is threatFor parameter somehow bugged or not always set?
PaulBunyan: I've had no issues.
PaulBunyan: Using python
Uljahn: SirLoxley: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/issues/7
geppoz: someone can explain this:
geppoz: https://www.codingame.com/replay/624527982
geppoz: step 138-140, spider 100
SirLoxley: I will consider it unreliable hence
geppoz: winded out, reenter, then reexit
geppoz: :D
VizGhar: its maybe that thing that struct was struct by :P
eulerscheZahl: the wind will randomize the spider direction
geppoz: uhm, no, only if winded out from base, this seems not the case
kovi: too bad we cant sim that
geppoz: in fact, it keeps speed vector
Drageas: hi
geppoz: for 2 steps, with y negative
geppoz: then when enter base, it goes out
Uljahn: you mean the entity is still in inputs with negative y?
Uljahn: looks like a visualizer glitch
geppoz: I still have in IDE, doublechecking
geppoz: I loose vision after wind, so I cannot dump it
eulerscheZahl: try to find it here
https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/replays/analyze/?id=624527982
eulerscheZahl: or just give up
ddreams: pretty sure it's because it intersects with the base edge
jeyBoole: when open gold league? anoyone know?
ddreams: jeyBoole why do you ask?
jeyBoole: i m wondoring
Uljahn: tomorrow
Uljahn: usually new leagues are opened every two days
ClockSort: hey eulerscheZahl, congrats on the very strong finish in Google Code Jam Round 1B yesterday!
eulerscheZahl: thanks. i definitely didn't expect to do that well
ClockSort: I think you're going to advance through Round 2 this year
eulerscheZahl: managed to adapt my bulls and cows strategy from a CG optim to the C task
eulerscheZahl: saw you always qualified for the next round
eulerscheZahl: 951st iirc
eulerscheZahl: also*
ClockSort: that's right. I didn't solve the second test set on C
wlesavo: i comletely missed 1st round, wanted to try it, but got caught by cg
eulerscheZahl: you have a final chance on saturday
wlesavo: doubt cg will let me :smiley:
eulerscheZahl: it's just 1h if you play it toad-style :P
wlesavo: this is becoming a bad tradition to play only qualification raund
wlesavo: my style is to write 15-min and then try to find bug until the end of the round :slight_smile:
eulerscheZahl: i have another contest lined on in friday+saturday. not sure how much time it will require. sad it collides with CG contest
eulerscheZahl: lined up on...
somehow i can't type
wlesavo: at least i finally got my first version of search bot
wlesavo: it is almost as good as 300 lines of python heuristics from friday :smiley:
aCat: !
aCat: great wlesavo
TobiasA: what kind of search is it wlesavo
wlesavo: TobiasA a bunch of MC simulations badly tied up together :slight_smile:
thanks aCat
aCat: but you aim for deep search (MC/GA) or more shallow minmax approach?
TobiasA: damn then it looks like a search algorithm would be worth it after all
TobiasA: I was contemplating
wlesavo: i wanted to do minimax, but at last i think it is gonna be such a pain to get working and restricted myself to MC, at least for the contest
NewCoder09: It took me a while to do Minimax
Kasparas: why is total available mana not part of the game input? :(
Kasparas: ^ ignore :D
Kasparas: learnt to read
NewCoder09: 2 days, 13 hours, 36, and 45 seconds to be exact
NewCoder09: 36 minutes
Fubuchi: look like the calculation for "threatFor" considered the position outsite the playable area. I had an case where the contact point with the base circle was x: -398.37; y: 4984.11 but the threatFor value still = 1
LaurensD: want to fight the bot a friend made, but I cannot seem to find him when searching; is there any requirements for it to be allowed? because in the past it was possible.
IvesL: top 1000 in the same league?
LaurensD: haha same league but we are both > 1800 :P
LaurensD: had a idea there was a requirement unfortunately
MichExpatMatt: so maybe a combination of threatFor and nearBase? It would be annoying at the least to have to calculate threatFor oneself when ostensibly it was "given"
sosi: Why does my rank not move?
LaurensD: not good enough :?
sosi: I played 50+ games but it didn't change. I have won one and been 2nd couple of times
sosi: So it should change at least a bit right?
Fallback: so if a mob is one move away from hitting a base at 2 hp and a hero strikes it. Does it damage the base or die first?
BJD: monsters die at the end of the round, so i think it damages the base
BJD: nevermind, it doesnt
WolfDarrigan: the order for that case is heroes move > heroes do damage > wind spell > monsters move
cegprakash: when I control a monster will the monster's velocity change immediately when the control is cast or only after the control ends?
WolfDarrigan: > CONTROL spells are applied to the targets and will only be effective on the next turn, after the next batch of commands.
Fallback: yes, but he's asking if the target/threat flags and velocity will update on that next turn. I saw outdated flags/vel so I don't trust them when a mob is under control.
WolfDarrigan: ooh, my mistake
cegprakash: WolfDarrigan can't get u
cegprakash: I also got old velocity Fallback
cegprakash: :(
cegprakash: what I did was I used control and used wind immediately on monster's direction and it didn't work as intended
cegprakash: I mean I used control on turn x and wind on turn x+1 and it didn't work as intended
Spressed: else if(initialTx > lightX && initialTy > lightY && initialTx <= 41 && initialTy < 17)
Spressed: why doesn't the code check the last condition initailTy < 17?
Spressed: and it runs eitherway, I'm so confused
Spressed: thanks
Fallback: add parenthesis around those terms and see if that helps. It may be evaluating (lightX && initialTy) first
eulerscheZahl: and don't forget to update thor's position. the game does not do this for you
Spressed: ohhhhh
Spressed: makes sense
Spressed: thanks
Spressed: appreciated both of you
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/624615524 now this is just jank; accidental cheese prevention
eulerscheZahl: why did they move out at the bottom around frame 34?
aCat: but you knew he was there ^^
eulerscheZahl: you send spiders to the base and they are just like "nah, not now"?
blasterpoard: exactly
eulerscheZahl: why?
eulerscheZahl: bug in the game?
blasterpoard: yes
eulerscheZahl: did you report it on the forum already?
blasterpoard: out-of-bounds spiders behave weirdly
geppoz: if a 400px step brings them >9000 then they die
therealbeef: not really a bug; they were out of the arena already, just drawn on the edge
geppoz: regardless of being entered base
therealbeef: actually they die at 9800
therealbeef: but if they hit the base circle while outside 9000, the referee angles them away from the arena, otherwise they'd kill the base from outside the arena
kovi: from the baseedge they target base
which means +1 dy. and with symtrunc they go out next
kovi: +0.001dy sorry
kovi: (nvm, i saw 8999, they were already out earlier)
Nerchio: can't push monsters outside of the map right?
Wontonimo: you can , just not in your base
Nerchio: :eyes:
RootYou: Can someone give me a clue about this problem: i would like to give my Hero a "patrol routine" going back and forth between 2 points.
But this hero and the gamestate is reset every turn.
RootYou: i tried first with a initialPosition, initialize with one of the position and try every turn to know if its on it and switch to the second. But yeah, the hero is reset every turn ^ ^
aropan: RootYou: you can store data between turns. ID heroes don't change.
struct: outside units have a little strage behaviour when you use control
struct: I think I posted a replay here before
struct: but cant find it
RootYou: will try to store heroes position in a Map. thank you aropan
JRFerguson: hello world, anyone knows if top players in contest simming or using heuristics ?
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/624643883 out-of-bounds scoring...
VizGhar: JRFerguson both
JRFerguson: ok, thks viz
Nerchio: blasterpoard quite a few 'bugs' heh
karliso: Works as coded.
struct: :D
jacek: :upside_down:
karliso: Nobody said mobs are dead after they leave map. Just that players are not given their coordinates.
blasterpoard: my math says that using 1 hero with multiple winds is enough to escort an out-of-bounds spider to a base
karliso: And if you apply wind or control to mob outside of map it will get snapped to game zone. Which makes sense or else it could just appear at opponent base.
blasterpoard: karliso after using wind, on a spider, it doesn't get snapped to the game zone; only control
karliso: oh, ok-ey. Only if base wall intersection.
Quidome: When using control, spider will be moving in current direction only new direction on next turn. Meaning when spider has a current destination in you base-zone it will target your base anyway
Quidome: Is this the correct way of looking at this?
avdg: evening
NewCoder09: hello there
NewCoder09: :taco: avdg
avdg: ow?
NewCoder09: did they move it?
Astrobytes: disabled for contest.
NewCoder09: oh
NewCoder09: why did it get disabled during the contest?
eulerscheZahl: because it adds clutter
NewCoder09: oh ok '
NewCoder09: Is Automaton2000 disabled too?
Automaton2000: this website is good for that
eulerscheZahl: unfortunately not
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/624663242 out-of-bounds scoring with only 1 hero... gotta get a patch for this
Quidome: that was interesting spider are spawned in a symetrical way :)
Quidome: didn't noticed that before...
NewCoder09: I haven't even started spring challenge 2022
Jokras: When is Gold League opening?
dbdr: quidome, seems you didn't read the statement ;)
dbdr: > Monsters will appear randomly, but symmetrically from the map edges outside of the player's bases. They appear with a random moving direction.
jamil321: Can you drop ranks?
Emmus: NewCoder09 You should! It's super cool
Illedan: blasterpoard -.-
Quidome: dbdr thanks for pointing that out :nerd:
Illedan: blasterpoard, did you report?
Quidome: me feeling silly :(
blasterpoard: I just posted it on the forum Illedan
Illedan: Thx
NewCoder09: Emmus i just now did
George13156: How to code batmanGame
struct: eulerscheZahl "so yes, that’s a bug in the input : vx and vy should be updated too. We’ll see if we fix it tomorrow or decide to let it as it is."
struct: and I guess everyone
struct: This is about controll spell
NewCoder09: Geurge13156 Batman game?
struct: it wasnt euler that said that, might be a bit confusing sorry
struct: I just wanted to ping him
NewCoder09: struct what's your favorite coding language?
struct: c++
Ketroc: name gives that away
NewCoder09: That's nice I kind of learned C++ but I switched over to Javascript
Astrobytes: :rolling_eyes:
struct: blasterpoard on the replay you shared shouldnt the spider collide?
struct: and snap
NewCoder09: Atsrobytes what i used C++ for like 2-3 months and i want to try something new
matteo1123: I'm like 3 from the worst peson in the entire contest
jacek: like cobol
matteo1123: those two must be morons
blasterpoard: struct afaik it snaps if it intersects the boundary of the game zone
blasterpoard: if it starts outside and ends outside, no snapping happend
wlesavo: 156 turn bottom of the map
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/624658280
eulerscheZahl: thanks struct
eulerscheZahl: " We’ll see if we fix it tomorrow or decide to let it as it is"
that response though...
Astrobytes: a touch concerning indeed
eulerscheZahl: as if someone doesn't care anymore
Astrobytes: suits the general mood of the contest I guess
Astrobytes: anyway, I must wash off all this salt
**eulerscheZahl never puts salt in the water when cooking noodles
Astrobytes: Jeez. You heathen.
eulerscheZahl: we know each other for so long and i still manage to shock you
Astrobytes: Once in a while! :D
lolTempest: those are the best types of friends
Emmus: agree
avdg: Refactoring my ai under 1500 lines of code again for now
avdg: brb
MACKEYTH: I'm wondering if there's a double wind sniper bot revolution waiting to happen
BJD: i was playing around with wind, and with all 6 players you can get a monster from the middle to a base in 1 turn https://www.codingame.com/replay/624708490
_NikJ: Yeah makes perfect sense, 3 players can hit 1 football 3 times as far as 1 player
jacek: 9 women will bear a child in 1 month
Quidome: wow that was a cool demo, thnxs :D
blasterpoard: MACKEYTH yes https://www.codingame.com/replay/624718127
MACKEYTH: You should let that loose in the wild. Secret's already out...
blasterpoard: the difference is that you can't test your bots against it yet
orangesnowfox: Doing the math (@BJD): http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/5988c627-9da5-4fd4-ba3a-c3a249206e7b
orangesnowfox: ... DANG IT PASTEPIN
orangesnowfox: The world will never know what the math was
orangesnowfox: TL;DR you can push about 2/3s across the map
orangesnowfox: which is at least 1/2, so BJD is right
jacek: it's at least 10
MACKEYTH: I like that set and spike move you did, blaster. Slick.
orangesnowfox: jacek: thanks for the peer review, I'm going to publish this in an accredited journal now /j
BJD: I wish you could wind your own heroes, you could fly around the map
orangesnowfox: right?
MACKEYTH: It's like the crane kick. No can defend.
orangesnowfox: There have been times where I was like "if I could wind my own hero (by *choice*, obvs I wouldn't always want this) I'd be able to handle a lot of those strats that send mobs into your base while you aren't looking
orangesnowfox: maybe like make it a different spell, "boost" or smth
avdg: there was a japanese bot that was specialized in pure catapult mayhems
orangesnowfox: only targets your own heroes
avdg: the bot had no defense though
jacek: offense is best defense
Nerchio: not in this game
gearhead: sup
orangesnowfox: until someone counters your offense with more offense, and then someone counters *that* bot with defense :p
Nerchio: orangesnowfox there is some rock-paper-scissors strategy wise here
orangesnowfox: exactly
avdg: offense in opposite corners
avdg: would be fun if it was the same bot and struggling at the same time
nightwalkerinthedark: SIUUUUUUUUUUU
Nerchio: but in the end the quality bots still dominate :P
orangesnowfox: oh, yeah. There's RPS, but there's also the frontier of possibility, and you can beat the opposing RPS if your bot is better
orangesnowfox: 100% agree
Nerchio: but I am only saying this because am in top10, if I was top 100 I would call the game pure randomnes
Nerchio: :wink:
orangesnowfox: I mean, I see parts where my bot is defo worse than it could be
eulerscheZahl: i just hate the heuristic nature regardless of my rank
orangesnowfox: ah, I love heuristics, I've done a billion sims
eulerscheZahl: oh wait, this might actually sneak into top100
Nerchio: I enjoy heuristic part because I am not willing to code in C++
eulerscheZahl: 96th at 18% great game
dbdr: :P
DomiKo: I just hate games with too many cases
eulerscheZahl: i'd still prefer a slightly more search heavy game over pure heuristics
eulerscheZahl: i'm with domi. so much nonsense to deal with. players come up with all kind of stuff
eulerscheZahl: i want the sweet spot between this game and a board game where you just throw another MCTS at it
dbdr: stop being creative people! ;)
eulerscheZahl: silver opened a day earlier than usual. do we know about gold+legend?
Nerchio: maybe that's why i enjoy this one so much, cause you can do whatever you want
wlesavo: just ban blasterpoard and we good :smiley:
eulerscheZahl: i don't want to have that much freedom
eulerscheZahl: take me on a leash and only give me a little room to move around within that tiny radius
Nerchio: maybe we can make that happen
eulerscheZahl: nah, community contests are dead
eulerscheZahl: pepsi
Scarfield: but i have a leash
Astrobytes: lets stop the BDSM right here
NewCoder09: hi
wlesavo: unleash the toads
Scarfield: xD
dbf: submits are slow again :(
Scarfield: just walking the frog
Astrobytes: :rofl:
wlesavo: i feel that my search will eventually became a bunch of heuristics here and there
wlesavo: well search is already a strong word :smiley:
Astrobytes: heuristically guided action exploration
wlesavo: 'if' guided mess
Astrobytes: True AI
dbdr: ah, the famous HGAE algorithm
Astrobytes: was it during Ice & Fire that someone came out with that True AI thing?
Astrobytes: dbdr :D
eulerscheZahl: pretty sure it was later. pacman or so
BorisBarca: is distance calculated with sqrt or manhattan?
eulerscheZahl: euclid
Astrobytes: That much later?
BorisBarca: thx
Nerchio: I used manhattan until top20
Nerchio: cause I didn't realize it's different
Astrobytes: lol
dbf: :laughing:
wlesavo: :smiley:
eulerscheZahl: at least it's faster
kovi: i used squared dist mostly
kovi: seems like a wasted effort wo. effective search
SirLoxley: FYI defense only gets you up to rank 600 in silver ... Now if I only knew how to attack lol
eulerscheZahl: i didn't even bother, sqrt all over
eulerscheZahl: can still optimize if needed
Nerchio: SirLoxley thanks I will keep that in mind
MichExpatMatt: Defense got you up to 600 in silver?
SirLoxley: well, still ranking, but I am at 600
DomiKo: but do you predict opponent? ;P
SirLoxley: Don't even look at the opponent
eulerscheZahl: i predict spiders, that must be sufficient
DomiKo: I predict my failure
NewCoder09: Same
wlesavo: i cant even predict my timeouts
Nerchio: I predict that I will hit a spider after my move, spent 10 minutes on that so it must be good
orangesnowfox: I spent way too long figuring out how to calculate a position within the intersection of n>3 circles, so
eulerscheZahl: top50, my highest so far in this contest
eulerscheZahl: except for first hour
Astrobytes: :tada:
orangesnowfox: grats euler
eulerscheZahl: that's so low :(
Astrobytes: plenty time
wlesavo: euler is it a search version?
eulerscheZahl: nope
wlesavo: oh ok
AkumaHiza: Hi. I saw that my health and mana variable isn't my but boss's. It's kind of bug? How can I repair this?
eulerscheZahl: have a search for my defense coded. but it plays worse
eulerscheZahl: i see some cases where my heuristic fails hard. but search (or scoring) has some other flaws as well
eulerscheZahl: do you read the boss variables and replace your own in that process AkumaHiza?
wlesavo: euler i feel you pain
wlesavo: your
eulerscheZahl: i'm a pain too, that was correct
AkumaHiza: I tried. I code in C++. "Game Input/Output" says "Your data is always given first". So it should be correct. Earlier i have heroes_per_player and base_x / base_y. Base co-ordinates is correct.
eulerscheZahl: default is like this:
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/5ce520d7-5443-4ea1-8b08-bb2586b73f4a
eulerscheZahl: this will replace the first values in the 2nd iteration of the loop obviously
eulerscheZahl: i can assure you that the bug is on your side, the game works fine
AkumaHiza: But i don't change these values
jacek: "the game works fine" really, no bugs in the game? phew
eulerscheZahl: you have to change that default code
eulerscheZahl: the mana+health input works fine. there are certainly bugs
avdg: hmm I rather spend cleaning up the code for my bot now, I don't have the time to get the best of my bot
avdg: (and wow I missed a lot of chat again)
jacek: "Spiders are neither bugs (Hemiptera) nor insects (Insecta) but a Class all their own – Arachnida, or arachnids." so no bugs in the game
eulerscheZahl: my code
public class Bug : Entity
eulerscheZahl: less typing than "spider"
jacek: no wonder youre so low
Nerchio: i have Monster xd
aCat: I also have Monster ;]
VizGhar: I have Mob
avdg: I stick to monster here
eulerscheZahl: even 1 more letter than spider
wlesavo: so you have bugs all over the code now, at least they are easy to find
aCat: Autocompletion ^^
avdg: if mob is used instead of monster, you safe 50% of chars per use
avdg: :p
Astrobytes: BadCreaturesWhoHurtMyBase here
Schw1ngschleifer: well why use descibing names in the first place. Just go with S for spider
avdg: CreaturesThatShouldBeAtTheOppositeSide
Astrobytes: I like it avdg
kaitai: does that include your heroes too?
kovi: what about m? (it can be both monster and mob)
avdg: or maniac
Astrobytes: kaitai: MyHeroes and NotMyHeroes of course
WannaBeHum1n: 270/2708 on silver
WannaBeHum1n: feels good
eulerscheZahl: weird submit, i blame the nature of the game
100 -> 170 -> 50 -> 86 now
eulerscheZahl: not stable at all
Scarfield: blame Canada
avdg: DontLetMeDownPleaseIAlreadyTryMyBestToLetYouWin
avdg: yeah, the heroes should solve it I guess
JohnyDaison: eulerscheZahl do you mean right after sumbit, or submitted multiple times?
eulerscheZahl: during submit, still not 100%
Illedan: Yeah, very random who you meet om the way
Illedan: I have some enemies in 100-300 that beat me every time :P
eulerscheZahl: i've never seen such extremes in sim-based games
Illedan: Fog..
ItsJasper: hi all. in the description I read After an entity moves towards a point, its coordinates are truncated (when below halfway across the map) or rounded up (when above halfway across the map). Can it be that this is the inverse? looking at the source code. e.g. let's say we are at x=2.4 and halfway point of the map is x=5. Then 2.4 - 5 = -2.6, truncate to -2, add 5 again gives 3. we just rounded up 2.4 to 3 and we are below halfway across the map
AkumaHiza: I found my bag. Default code be like for(i<2) cin>>health>>mana and this was overwriting my variable bu boss's
Astrobytes: Are we missing any Top CG Contest Features?
We have fog and incomplete info
Astrobytes: + bugs
ClockSort: Astrobytes what bugs?
Illedan: There is also the cheatcodes
Astrobytes: check the forum and/or discord
Astrobytes: lol
Illedan: Just use: "all your base belong to us"
avdg: on discord there is 1 issue they might investigate later
wlesavo: Illedan you can diasble fog in settings, this should fix it :smiley:
Astrobytes: hahahaha
avdg: something to do with monsters that are out of arena near base that deals damage
eulerscheZahl: we also have slow submit and clojure timeouts
Illedan: Ahhhh
Astrobytes: true euler
Illedan: Missing language update for the full experience :(
Astrobytes: yeah, broken Java, C# and Rust woulda been fun :D
avdg: I'm waiting for an assemblyscript option
avdg: not sure if x86 and arm should be options too
avdg: which I cannot work with
dbf: lol, I've also recently submitted and float around euler's bot :)
ItsJasper: anyone who can help me out with the example I gave above?
JohnyDaison: why is it important? The map is 17000 wide, 1 unit means nothing
ClockSort: if you have $17,000 does $1 mean nothing? :)
avdg: unless it's an edge case
ItsJasper: just want to understand if the wording in the description is incorrect or if I am not understanding the code.
Astrobytes: off by 0.000001 means nothing in space flight
jacek: 0.000001 parsecs?
Astrobytes: <insert unit of measurement here>
Scarfield: mole
jacek: banana
Scarfield: xD
ClockSort: ItsJasper for my simulator I just copied the Java code. For my bot I just use ints and don't worry about accuracy.
JohnyDaison: ItsJasper why are you doing this: "2.4 - 5 = -2.6, truncate to -2, add 5 again gives 3" ?
JohnyDaison: shouldn't it just be 2.4 is < 5, so truncate to 2, end of story
ItsJasper: JohnyDaison my example is like that because that's what I think the java source code does of the game. See method symmetricTruncate in the vector class.
Ketroc: to match their calculations, truncate to ints.
ClockSort: does GCC -O3 remove asserts?
Astrobytes: I usually #define NDEBUG
Astrobytes: as to O3 disabling it, not sure it does
Astrobytes: *them
Nerchio: blasterpoard what is this submit
Astrobytes: you're welcome :P
blasterpoard: Nerchio it's bad, it doesn't know what a shield is
DomiKo: so you are still hiding?
blasterpoard: and defense is copied from my #600 bot
blasterpoard: no, I'm still developing the bot
blasterpoard: this is still a very, very rough version
Nerchio: hey i survived with 1 life
Nerchio: thats a success
blasterpoard: good job
Illedan: xD
blasterpoard: you're definitely one of my worst matchups
Nerchio: 2 attackers is the worst matchup for me for now
avdg: hmm wanna check how others do to my bot
blasterpoard: now I lost a game because I yeeted a dead monster to enemy base; no, I don't look at spiders' hp either
VizGhar: Looks like we have first legend candidate :)
avdg: against illedan: I defend quite well but I don't attack enough, then got swamped in my own base full of monsters
VizGhar: And he's from SK :D good job
avdg: function keys<K extends PropertyKey>(m: Map<K, any> | { [P in K]: any }): K[] {
if (m instanceof Map) return Array.from(m.keys())
return Object.keys(m) as K[]
}
blasterpoard: VizGhar not legend candidate; just a bot people will overfit against in gold
avdg: oops
jacek: oO
avdg: https://www.codingame.com/replay/624800573
avdg: meh, I was playing around with typing issues :-)
avdg: failed to copy the link :/
VizGhar: maybe... It will be very important to know where the opponent is
VizGhar: I've made code to hit 2 creeps at once and to find shortest path for intersection
cegprakash: can someone help me with any 30 degree and 60 degree vector.. for eg. 4i + 4j is a 45 degree vector
VizGhar: Also very accurate guessing where the mobs are (game memory)
avdg: opponent location may be hard unless you have something as good as a GPU I guess
VizGhar: but I don't have time to make search :|
avdg: though estimating may be enough
avdg: or doing with less precision
VizGhar: blasterpoard you are running for mobs you clearly don't have chance to catch (not saying about killing)
cegprakash: can someone help me with any 30 degree and 60 degree vector.. for eg. 4i + 4j is a 45 degree vector
I don't have a protractor with me :\
blasterpoard: VizGhar I'm not pretending that this is a good bot; it has a lot of problems I'm aware of
blasterpoard: it just happens to murder silver bots
Astrobytes: ceg your message was seen by all already, no need to spam it
VizGhar: I'd be more than happy to have your bot :D I should sobmit my 300 ranked bot. I feel ashamed seeing yours
VizGhar: cegprakash what?
cegprakash: nvm I'm happy with 45 degree vector -_-
cegprakash: for now
Astrobytes: (I don't know either)
JohnyDaison: 1i + sqrt(3)j
jacek: you imagining things again
cegprakash: thx JohnyDaison.. u have for 60 deg also?
cegprakash: and how did u find it? some sin cos thing?
Astrobytes: jacek: the oware stones thing we were talking with MSmits about the other day, I finally got an email
JohnyDaison: https://study.com/cimages/multimages/16/righttriganlex_is_11289958687351002907.png
jacek: Astrobytes nice
MACKEYTH: https://blog.prepscholar.com/30-60-90-triangle-ratio-formula
Astrobytes: Yeah, just need to get this contest out the way and finish my app
kovi: monster stuck already reported?
https://www.codingame.com/replay/624796592
wlesavo: kovi, i had the same issue, but not reported
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/624658280
avdg: which frame?
wlesavo: 111 for kovi and 156 for me
Nerchio: is it stuck? hes pushing it into the border
Astrobytes: ^ that's what I thought
avdg: stuck at the fence I guess
najedzony: Does channging monster's direction by using CONTROL last only one turn or is it permament? Anyone knows?
wlesavo: Nerchio mine is a little bit more visual
Kukiss: najedzony, it is permament unless it is within a base range
avdg: oh kovi's mob is stuck at the other side of the bases
avdg: weird
Nerchio: yeah I guess you are right it shouldnt be stuck outside the base
Pasora: Can i not play my past clashes?
avdg: you can normally get your past bot with history
avdg: and you can play against your bot in arena
wlesavo: aangairbender found the possible reason of this
https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/main/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Referee.java#L507
Astrobytes: oh damn, I see it now
Astrobytes: Pasora: No, but if you remember some details you can search for it here and try to complete it
https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/
cegprakash: what happens when 2 heroes of mine and 1 hero of opponent try to control a monster in same turn
MACKEYTH: Combined vectors. Just like wind
cegprakash: who gets the control
avdg: democracy
cegprakash: I see..
cegprakash: so all 3 gets control
cegprakash: it's not like majority wins
cegprakash: gotcha
jacek: communism eh
_NikJ: blasterpoard kicking ass with his windy combos
antiwonto: [auto] _NikJ be respectful and watch your language
https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
Astrobytes: :rofl:
MACKEYTH: You and everybody else, _Nikj
Astrobytes: Very nice blasterpoard
blasterpoard: the meta was too boring, I couldn't bear watching it
Nerchio: there is a meta?
NewCoder09: Anybody play beatsaber? just a question out of the blue
blasterpoard: Nerchio now there will be
Astrobytes: heh heh
blasterpoard: until now, everyone wsa so defensive
cegprakash: OOO MYYY GOOD I fixed a SHIELD bug..
Abdi-29: we;ll done
Abdi-29: i have tiny bug on my code
Astrobytes: you made it not stink when you step on it? :smirk:
Abdi-29: my hero 0 is doing whatever he wants
cegprakash: Abdi-29 what does he want
avdg: almost half my logic of the just not 1500 lines is planning code
avdg: meh, "simplifying" that
Abdi-29: no clue, he just goes to help the enimies
YuToutCourt: Do someone know what is the memory limit ?
avdg: it's on the faq page
blasterpoard: 768 MB
avdg: though I wonder how you got memory constrained
udu: Is there a version control to restore the code?
Astrobytes: easily done depending on what you are doing
Astrobytes: udu: yes, it's called git and you should try it
avdg: memoize everything?
udu: haha, I was not smart enough and trusted the browser ide
udu: I mean here in the codingame ide ...?
Astrobytes: more about memory allocation avdg
YuToutCourt: I was just wondering, I have no problem with memory
avdg: you can get your source back from history, at least if you submitted your ai
udu: oh thank you actually obvious panel -.- sorry
Astrobytes: udu: if you pressed 'play my code' or 'test in arena' it should still be there, plus as avdg said you can use the history tab
avdg: about memory: I would use as less as possible, the less memory it needs, the more data/code there is in CPU caches
Astrobytes: when you need 25 million MCTS nodes allocated upfront...
avdg: continuous memory :-)
avdg: lol
jacek: :no_mouth:
wlesavo: nice, bluster quit hiding, thats the spirit :slight_smile:
VizGhar: now lets kick his ass right?
antiwonto: [auto] VizGhar be respectful and watch your language
https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
blasterpoard: wlesavo I'm not a hider; if I were hiding, I wouldn't post that bug on the forum
blasterpoard: you's still get to see a bot like this though
blasterpoard: *you'd
wlesavo: im just kidding :slight_smile: just waited for you to submit to see how that strat will rec me
blasterpoard: the strat is bad and I already know that I will have to play quite differently later on
wlesavo: but for now im wrecking myself =(
VizGhar: omg your bot has so many (hopefully easily fixable) bugs blaster... wonder what you will come up with in 6 days
blasterpoard: but this is a fun bot and I'm OK with people optimizing against it
Astrobytes: wlesavo: gotta check yoself before yo wreck yoself
blasterpoard: now I wait and see whether this makes it to legend
cegprakash: VizGhar it's not a bug if it works
Illedan: I think so
cegprakash: that's what I tell my manager at least
cegprakash: :D
Astrobytes: oooosh just checked the score you finished on. I think so, yes
kovi: gratz blasterpoard, impressive
VizGhar: cegprakash he is using wind against shielded bots :) he's not using shield himself...
blasterpoard: thx kovi
VizGhar: he will squeeze more of it for sure
blasterpoard: the bot doesn't know what a shield is
cegprakash: self shield is for kids
cegprakash: real men take the hit and counter
cegprakash: that's a 10 extra mana VizGhar
Astrobytes: :expressionless:
cegprakash: for the first time I'm entering top 150 and I have lots to improve in attack and defense.. feeling hopeful
cegprakash: will I get a T shirt..
cegprakash: I donno if ppl are sleeping or I'm that good
cegprakash: or ppl hiding good bots
Astrobytes: pretty sure you say that every contest
Astrobytes: :D
Eacaw: Has anyone managed to get this to run locally? Using cg-brutaltester?
cegprakash: Astrobytes seriously I can't believe why my bot is in top 150 with really nothing -_- just bug reduction since bronze..
Astrobytes: cegprakash: volatile league though bro, very rps in a lot of ways
cegprakash: fixing 1 losing game at a time
cegprakash: 1 bug at a time
cegprakash: adding 5 iffs seem easier than writing a sim :P
Astrobytes: lol
avdg: refactoring code here instead of fixing bugs, I have too much planning code
jacek: prune array eh
cegprakash: jacek no minimax this time
Astrobytes: jacek :D we already did the prune array jokes
jacek: :upside_down:
Illedan: 2 IFs and this Twood tripple winder lost xD
Astrobytes: lol
cegprakash: there is a real chance for Bob to win this contest
Illedan: Even won blaster with that fix
Illedan: ^^
cegprakash: Bob is the master of if else
elderlybeginner: when gold opens for spring challenge?
Bob: cegprakash stop you're going to make me bblush
Bob: and just no way
blasterpoard: Illedan countering my bot isn't hard, but noone had ifs for it until an hour ago
Bob: hundreds above me are obviouslt better at if elses than I am
Illedan: In submit now
Illedan: I win you about 50 %
Illedan: in those few games I tried
Illedan: Make that 40 %
Illedan: I'll accept a high 30 % even
Astrobytes: heh
blasterpoard: good
blasterpoard: optimize against it
Astrobytes: blaster playing the mind games
Illedan: :)
Illedan: He got the counter to the counter to the counter to the counter to the counter
blasterpoard: did you notice that it doesn't use any spells before gathering 220 mana?
cegprakash: lets counter the counter to the counter to the counter to the counter to the counter
Illedan: Fun threshold
Astrobytes: yes, that makes some amusing sense
Illedan: Why?
blasterpoard: because it can only gather or go berkers
blasterpoard: *berserk
blasterpoard: no in-between
blasterpoard: and it's just a ranbom number to make sure I don't run out of mana before killing you
Astrobytes: amusing because 2200...
blasterpoard: and yes, that's why 220 Astrobytes :)
Astrobytes: ;)
wlesavo: 128 would be better then :slight_smile:
blasterpoard: I was starting to bet worried that no one would get the joke
Illedan: lol
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/624880558 wlesavo 128 vs 220; 128 is definitely better
wlesavo: :smiley:
blasterpoard: just enough for 3 controls and 9 winds
Illedan: Ah, fack. My fix made a bunch of bugs :D
dinggg: Does anyone know why, after I control a spider and point it to the enemy base, it turns back around the move after?
BJD: is it in your base?
wlesavo: do you control witihin your base?
dinggg: Good point! Thanks haha
dinggg: bed time I guess
wlesavo: but seriously blasterpoard's bot makes me wanna quit my pseudo search. that and the fact that it's broken again
wlesavo: i feel like i lost the last tiny bit of understanding of the game that thought i had
Illusive: hh
Illusive: why is it console.log, like bro is that shit some birch or sumting
Wiilss: guys why is it c++ but not c--?
antiwonto: [auto] Illusive be respectful and watch your language
https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
Illusive: #sigmamalegrindset
JRFerguson: i'm not understanding how to determine where a controlled hero will move
Astrobytes: MODS: children alert
JRFerguson: there is no vx vy in the inputs
JRFerguson: am i missing something ?
Kellthazar: vx vy is only for monsters I guess
Wiilss: :strawberry:
Kellthazar: spiders*
Astrobytes: only the monsters velocities are given JRFerguson
Illedan: JRFerguson, you can't know
Dapps: It would be amazing if we could know
Astrobytes: All it will do is move it in the direction you pushed it plus whatever direction it's going in already iiuc
Illusive: how do I Initialize vector without copying and using move semantics
JRFerguson: thanks for the answers, it seems rather strange that we can't know this information
Astrobytes: add it to the strangeness list :D
JRFerguson: :joy:
Kellthazar: You can track the lastPosition of heroes and calculate the "velocity" from that.
pedrosorio: Kellthazar if you receive an input that says one of your heroes is controlled, it will move this turn, so looking at the current position (and last) is not really useful to achieve JRFerguson's goal, I guess
JRFerguson: exactly
Illusive: how do I Initialize vector without copying and using move semantics
Ketroc: how does hero attack range work? Clearly "After a hero's move phase, any monsters within 800 units will suffer 2 points of damage." is not correct.
Larbino: when does the gold league open ?
Wiilss: fortnite balls all in your face
Astrobytes: struct
Wiilss: struct
Wiilss: struct mystruct.gov
Illusive: struct please deal with this neanderthal
Wiilss: bro he needs to upgrade to classes
Wiilss: mans stuck in c 89
Wiilss: bussy boy
Astrobytes: dbdr, Wontonimo, Tiramon, Uljahn
Illusive: nigger
antiwonto: [auto] Illusive be respectful and watch your language
https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
Illusive: touretts
Astrobytes: 5DN1L, Bob, nicola
Astrobytes: Magus
Wiilss: balls fortnite and among us :skull:
ClockSort: are the heroes of each player always the first to be provided via stdin?
Bob: nope
Astrobytes: 0,1,2 or 3,4,5
Bob: if you are player 2 your heroes come second
ClockSort: but heroes always come before mobs?
Astrobytes: P1 & P2 respectively
Astrobytes: what Bob said
Astrobytes: Bob, have the children been taken care of
ClockSort: you see, I'm 4 days into the contest, ~600 lines of code, and finally reading the input :D
Bob: looks like it, dbdr was here first
Astrobytes: gotcha, dbdr, some textual input would be nice, I can't see that anymore remember :P
Astrobytes: ClockSort: Same for me until yesterday lol
Astrobytes: ClockSort: did you get my reply regarding -O3 and assert?
ClockSort: yep I did, thanks so much Astrobytes
ClockSort: I will assert with confidence :)
Astrobytes: np
Astrobytes: hahaha :D
Zedidiah: Is there a way to tell how much time has passed since a turn has started?
Astrobytes: yes, start a timer in your language after reading the first input
Astrobytes: don't do it anywhere else or you'll get a wrong reading
Astrobytes: so in this case, after reading base x and base y, start timer
Zedidiah: ok, I wasn't sure if the first timer started at complation or if it was after the input.
cegprakash: okay I now have a decent attacker should be able to get into top 20 with this submit I guess. lets see
cegprakash: T shirt dream is real
Ketroc: fyi, in case someone had the same headache for me: heroes are moved, then attacks are done, then spiders are moved. So it's like you attack the prev position of each spider
cegprakash: Ketroc same I had the head ache
ClockSort: I spent two days headaching the provided Java code and I still struggled with that simple fact :P
icecream17: what my code was so bad how do i get to wood 1 overnight
Bbrainstormer: Lmao i have no idea what to do
Astrobytes: time for a brainstorming session
dbf: I'll brainstorm during the sleep :)
Astrobytes: :D
Spressed: My brain hurtz hehe
Spressed: Hello lads
cegprakash: so no one is able to beat Blasterboard's meta now nice -_-
andyyyyy: Probably just need to make some sort of prioritization to cast wind on as many spiders as possible
Spressed: I can't even do the simple temperatures one, I should just give up XD
Astrobytes: cegprakash: no, this now adds a meta to counter and work from
cegprakash: and I don't see anyone with 2 defenders defending him
Astrobytes: and provide *ideas*
cegprakash: what can human race do against such a rage
Astrobytes: Spressed: no you should keep trying
a-Rye: Spressed try The Descent or Mars Lander 1. Those are really easy once you sift through the instructions
Astrobytes: So is Temperatures ;) Just think it through properly. I always recommend using a whiteboard or pen & paper to work through a testcase or 2
a-Rye: ^^true, or talk to rubber ducks (explain what you're trying to do to an inanimate object that won't talk back)
a-Rye: In addition to writing it out I mean. It's good to really "see" the problem, both drawn out and be able to understand what's going on
Kukiss: animated objects are fine too. My dog sometimes looks like he enjoys the attention
Astrobytes: Yeah definitely, to both :)
a-Rye: ah yes, pets are great too! lol
Astrobytes: My cats and any visiting relatives have had to suffer this frequently :D
Astrobytes: I swear the cat in my avatar judges my code when she sits in my lap.
Kukiss: an he plays the piano!
Kukiss: or she
Astrobytes: lol, that used to be a ducky keyboard but Scarfield made a little 'enhancement' to the picture
Astrobytes: She, yeah
Alurian: why do any and all 'improvements' make me drop ranks
Astrobytes: Welcome to a CG contest!
cegprakash: submits stuck again
cegprakash: :\
Astrobytes: really? At this time?
Alurian: makes me doubt myself :joy: going from 160 to 1000
cegprakash: yeah I've been waiting for my rank 20 submit for a looong time
Astrobytes: I thought they were just slow
cegprakash: been more than an hour since submit and I'm at 28%
Astrobytes: Alurian: it happens, especially in games like this with a lot of RPS
Alurian: whats rps
Astrobytes: ah, rock paper scissors
Alurian: aah
Alurian: guess im gonna be resubmitting my first bot in the morningg
Astrobytes: One strategy beats another that beats the other that beats the first etc
Alurian: simple seems best tho
cegprakash: rock paper scissors has equal prob for rock, paper, scissors to win
Alurian: everytime i try to add some complexness ranks drops by 600
cegprakash: when most opponents are paper better to go with scissors -_-
Astrobytes: the slow submits don't help with testing admittedly
Alurian: yes that to
Alurian: have to wait an hour before i know i failed
cegprakash: if this is the case now think about last 2 days of the contest
Astrobytes: but take notes from the top
Astrobytes: slow submits gives time to watch and get ideas
Astrobytes: cegprakash: submits were 7hrs + the other day lol
cegprakash: slow submits gives time to chat here
cegprakash: ^_^
Astrobytes: they had to reduce the number of battles in Bronze to 50
Astrobytes: battles per submit I mean
cegprakash: think they need to do it in silver too as silver is pretty crowded
cegprakash: hopefully silver boss is hard
Astrobytes: it's not that bad, that's why they have gold league after all
Astrobytes: there was like 4000+ in BRonze when that was happening
cegprakash: currently SIlver - 2806 Bronze - 2097 Wood1- 784 Wood2 - 189 ppl.. that makes SIlver most crowded which is the highest league
Astrobytes: sure, I get that
blasterpoard: large league is really a problem only in gold, because before that it's usually not hard to promote, but gold can get so big that even a good bot will not get above boss
cegprakash: usually crowd is expected at Bronze I agree.. Silver disagree
Astrobytes: blasterpoard: +1:
Astrobytes: or :+1:
cegprakash: imagine a meta beat silver boss.. everyone would use it to reach gold and it'll be pretty crowded again
cegprakash: silver boss should be made really hard
cegprakash: to regulate gold and legend
Astrobytes: well following your logic, why not extend that to wood?
cegprakash: I'm happy with a parabola
nightwalkerinthedark: my brother is barhouch
cegprakash: wood 2 < wood 1 < Bronze > Silver > Gold > legend in terms of crowd
cegprakash: most crowd should be in bronze
Astrobytes: ...
Astrobytes: yeah ceg, it kinda naturally works out that way anyway
Astrobytes: this time around I feel CG are not giving this contest much attention anyway so... not much point debating it :D
Westicles: what do you mean by meta?
Astrobytes: the overriding strategy
Westicles: oh, so we all copy his strategy and get to gold
Astrobytes: well, sort of. It's the dominant strat at whatever time, it begs to be beaten somehow
Astrobytes: gaming terminology, always lame
Astrobytes: :P
Ketroc: not meta, but I've seen a few bots stack their heroes and launch spiders into the goal from mid-map with triple WIND
ddreams: yeah, just look at the top bot now
ddreams: blasterpoard
ddreams: pro farming too
Astrobytes: Ketroc: that WAS the meta for a bit
Astrobytes: ddreams: yes, blasterpoard is setting the meta currently :D
blasterpoard: for a day or 2 until counter-ifs appear
Astrobytes: if even that long
cegprakash: I am thinking about shielding monsters near my base to counter blasterpoard lol
Astrobytes: I don't even like this contest, I must admit. I'm just playing because we don't get much on CG these days
cegprakash: I really see no other way
cegprakash: I tried pushing away he just comes back
Astrobytes: Use the cheatcode ceg
Astrobytes: anyway, see you all later, take care everyone
cegprakash: bye Astrobytes
FlamingLongcoat_1370: hey guys, I've just came back and reworked a solution so I can get an achievement. I've covered the condition and submitted my solution and got 100 % score but the achievement isn't appearing
BrunoFelthes: blasterpoard is a genius hauhauha
FlamingLongcoat_1370: any ideas what I need to do to get it to register?
BrunoFelthes: blasterpoard is it only heuristics?
blasterpoard: :)
Westicles: flaming, maybe wait a bit. the whole site is slammed with the contest
cegprakash: BrunoFelthes he just doin more paper work than coding a sim -_-
kreska: hi I have a question. If i want to use a spell and calculate if monster is inside the reach of a spell should i calculate distance to monster current position or to monster next round position?
blasterpoard: current
BrunoFelthes: what you mean by paper work cegprakash?
cegprakash: more drawings
cegprakash: even Blasterpoard can't himself defend against him
BrunoFelthes: i did a GA, and it was a disaster
cegprakash: none of his games cross over 90 turns
cegprakash: even against himself
BrunoFelthes: now i'm only using heuristics... #27 now
icecream17: wow I finally compiled rust for the *2nd* time
kreska: blasterpoard thanks
BrunoFelthes: and i'm using the 3 heroes to defend only
BrunoFelthes: winning only by mana :/
ddreams: nice
FlamingLongcoat_1370: thanks Westicles!
aatj: kreska The only exception is if you want to target enemy hero with wind. The enemy hero is moved in this round before the wind is applied to them. It's possible they could move out of range
icecream17: under "Monsters will appear randomly but symmetrically" are they guaranteed to appear with 180 deg symmetry?
ddreams: that appears to be true
kreska: aatj thank you very much i had this feeling this is the case
aatj: If you look in the problem text, you can see the order with which actions are applied.
kreska: aatj i need to llok at this but to be honest i think that sometimes monsters get out of the reach to but maybe i dont see the bug in my code
kreska: aatj and one more thing is that sometimes if i apply control on the monster and in the next round apply windthe monster do not obey control even if monster is not close to the base
aatj: Control is applied on the next round, wind is applied on the current round, so I think your spells are conflicting
kreska: aatj omg thank you so i really got to look at the order of actions
aatj: I mean: control are applied to targets the current round, but are only effective the next turn:
turn 1: control applied
turn 2: control effective, vwind applied, wind effective
kreska: aatj yes i imediately understood it even looked that way in the game visualizer
aatj: Yes, I only relooked at them today, and they expose a number of problems
kreska: but if that is the case the control should be obeyed i think i dont know i need to understand it
kreska: becuase i apply control on the monster and on the next round when monster should respond to control i put wind and then monster do not respond to control just get pushed
kreska: at least sometimes
kreska: i dont know if this work like this allways
aatj: Doesn't wind, if they land outside the base, randomize the direction anyway?
kreska: so my understanding was that this is the case if oyu pushed them outside the base
kreska: only if you pushed them from the base outside but i dont know anymore
kreska: because inside the radius they are attracted to the base if you pushed them outside they stop beeing attracted and get some new random direction
kreska: at least this is my understanding i'm not sure
icecream17: "Each subsequent monster may have slightly more starting health than any previous monster." does this mean subsequent monsters always have >= previous monsters
dbdr: yes
dbdr: every second wave has more more health
icecream17: does one player always start at 0, 0?
Fox787: I see blasterpoard submitted
Ketroc: @icecream17 yep. and instructions have the coords for the other spawn pos
Dapps: let's see how high is new bot goes..
Fox787: rank 1 currently Dapps
Ketroc: spider maxHP slowly goes up as the games goes on. first round is 13hp. by step200 they are around 24hp'ish
Tuo: spiders start at 10 maxHp. Approximate formula that i use is maxHp = 10 + turn // 10
Fallback: If a mob is exactly 5000 units away from a base, does it count as being inside or outside?
orangesnowfox: inside
orangesnowfox: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/63fe14ffec6931b374e6b32c1112fd7975d672a0/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Vector.java#L75
https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/63fe14ffec6931b374e6b32c1112fd7975d672a0/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Referee.java#L665=
cuongdoolaa: hello
cuongdoolaa: everyone
cuongdoolaa: :joy:
AlishaMei: Hello!
SashaNukem: Hi
BrunoFelthes: hi
MACKEYTH: Heya
ijc90: Hi
ijc90: I need winning strategy... i did print("blue wins") but it works half of the time
ijc90: Real question here: does wind change where the monster is facing? is there any reliable way to predict this?
snoyes: I think it does not, unless they were targeting a base and blown out of range. Then new direction is random.
ijc90: I think I saw that happen, changing direction when otuside base, but not sure if maintaining previous one
ijc90: Is there a way to know if your heroe will be controlled?
ijc90: the control command happened last turn, so it should be
DollarAkshay: You can uset the isControlled field
ijc90: thanks!
Ketroc: wind only changes the trajectory on a spider if you WIND it from in your base zone to out of your base zone
DollarAkshay: Hey was the setting to turn off the fog of war under Manual options?
struct: turning off for the game or viewer?
struct: DollarAkshay
DollarAkshay: game
DollarAkshay: there was some setting that someone shared yesterday
DollarAkshay: I forgot what it was
struct: Are you sure that is possible?
benobab: it's on bottom right of the viewer in the IDE
DollarAkshay: No no not the viewer.
DollarAkshay: I think it is possible to @struct
DollarAkshay: You can set the seed and for of ward settings
struct: ok I figured it out
struct: ENABLE_FOG=false doesnt work
struct: but BASE_VIEW_RADIUS=100000
struct: does
DollarAkshay: LOL I guess that works for ME
DollarAkshay: haha Thank you @struct
PatrickMcGinnisII: someone was trying last night, it parses all params as int, ENABLE_FOG=0 did not work
struct: my way works
PatrickMcGinnisII: for fog?
struct: yes
DollarAkshay: BASE_VIEW_RADIUS=100000
struct: it will make your base see everything
struct: look how I tie vs rank 1
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/625087820
DollarAkshay: Default is 6000
struct: ez
PatrickMcGinnisII: ahhhhh, base sees everything
struct: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/63fe14ffec6931b374e6b32c1112fd7975d672a0/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Configuration.java#L71
DollarAkshay: hahah suddendeath ? XD
struct: this is the stuff you can change
struct: DollarAkshay I just made heroes have 100k rang
struct: range*
DollarAkshay: Damn this is soo cool
DollarAkshay: Thanks for sharing
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/625089071
struct: xD
DollarAkshay: STARTING_BASE_HEALTH dosent seem to work though
DollarAkshay: @struck haha Zerg rush
nvkha: Hi, how to use spell wind with correct derection
Jerrasterix: just push them to your opp's base coord
Jerrasterix: SPELL WIND oppBaseX oppBaseY
Rombolt: Can we already access the Gold league? Is it opened yet?
Jerrasterix: nope
Rombolt: Ok, thx
Kururugi: when would it open?
aatj: It would be interesting to know the range of memory usage and program complexity (calculations per round?) for everyone in the silver round.
