Ajaiy: struct Which league are you in btw
struct: bronze
struct: but i havent done much yet
Ajaiy: oh ok
Ajaiy: But I am not able to select your bot
ClockSort: I've done a ton and I'm in Wood 2. Hah
Ajaiy: It's not showing
ClockSort: technically I haven't submitted anything though
struct: its not top 1000
Ajaiy: ok
struct: I need to find some motivation :/
Ajaiy: I can relate
ClockSort: struct what do you think of this challenge compared to past ones?
Ajaiy: I give up every single time when I try to make a game in Unity
Ajaiy: idk what is making me do that
Ajaiy: But pretty sure 75% of loss of motivation
struct: ClockSort I'm not a big fan of it
struct: but I don't like fog
Ajaiy: Spring Challenge 2021 made me super confused
Ajaiy: I reached till Silver
Ajaiy: This year is better
Ajaiy: for now
JohnyDaison: Ajaiy have you set yourself small achievable goals or are you always trying work on everything from the start?
Ajaiy: I mean, I could complete small games if my motivation didn't run out
struct: not really JohnyDaison
struct: Maybe i should do that
Ajaiy: Each day, my motivation halves
Ajaiy: But I HAVE recreated a nice version of Hangman in Python
Ajaiy: Since it took 2 hours
Enknable: The bright side is...you'll never lose your motivation!
meowhurrhiss: The temptation doubles everyday, however.
Kokoz: Good morning guys.
Kokoz: What does shield do in the spring challenge?
ravenbluedragon: Prevents spells
Kokoz: only spells? it doesn't stop dmg?
ddreams: you know there's a description right there
Kokoz: yes, thank you
Miki09: some1 using neural networks for spring 2022?
Kokoz: I wish I knew how to do that :)
Kokoz: Is there a way to challenge top ranked players?
Miki09: yes
Miki09: In ide
Miki09: players
therealbeef: in the IDE you can select bots (at the bottom of the screen) that will play against each other when you do play my code
Kokoz: I cant find you
therealbeef: only the top 1000 in your league are selectable
therealbeef: and your own bots
Kokoz: oh. Thank you :)
Miki09: Do you think it's better to have 2 "defenders" and 1 "serial killer"(kills everything near him, camps in middle of map) or 2"defenders" and one guy who sends and shields spiders to enemy base?
VizGhar: If he's succeful, then choice #2 :)
Miki09: ok :-)
Kokoz: I am using the second method now and it doesnt work so good :S
therealbeef: that kind of knowledge ('meta') usually changes over the course of a contest, as more advanced bots are submitted
Kokoz: It is hard to progress with choice #2
VizGhar: you are using it wrong then... check top player
Miki09: I already checked him
Miki09: Hes killing me 3:0 all the time :-(
VizGhar: hmm easiest way is to stand near opponnent base. If mob is not targeting his base, send it there (control). If it's targetting the base shield him
VizGhar: should work for top 500 (my guess)
Miki09: thanks for advice
Kokoz: the top 1 guy just spam control on my heroes so they cant defend the base :D
Miki09: Yeah
Kokoz: cool
Miki09: Even with 3 defenders I lost 1:0
VizGhar: yup... I'm shielding if there is any mob near my base and opponent hero in range
VizGhar: (dont check now, resubmit :P )
VizGhar: win rate 11/11 so far... I've probably improved a tiny bit
Miki09: congratulations :clap_tone3:
Miki09: OMG u r 260
VizGhar: hmm wind is incorrectly computed somehow for me... good to know
VizGhar: 260?
Kokoz: I think this challenge is too complicated for me (for my skills).. I will satisfy with mid bronze
_NikJ: I'm shielding myself if there's an enemy within CONTROL range and there's a spider nearBase, but so far I don't like how it's working
Miki09: Kokoz dont satisfy with low!!!! Aim for at least silver
therealbeef: the bronze boss will probably be chosen from mid-bronze, so if you're mid bronze now, you can reach silver too :)
Isaax: hello
Miki09: hi
XxGrindingSheeshxX: when silver guys ?
Miki09: today
Miki09: 5 pm cest
Miki09: 3 pm gmt
XxGrindingSheeshxX: ty, hate this offensive meta, hope there will be more defensive spells
Isaax: why when i return 0 the function don't end?
Isaax: def f(fathers, log): http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/830c9934-2646-4306-a9bd-f3f3c4afbb5c
Miki09: @VizGhar you from slovakia!!!
Kokoz: Im 1867th now.. But I just don't know how to pregress. I get the idea but it is hard to implement it.. I am a beginner (or low intermediate) with not much experience
Miki09: hmm
Miki09: Ill watch your matches
VizGhar: :D hej som
Miki09: Já jsem z české republiky :-)
VizGhar: :wave:
Miki09: Kokoz first of all you have kinda lagged wind method
Miki09: You need to check if the target is in range
VizGhar: Hmm my bot didn't perform that well at the end :) I'm just enhancing defenders
Miki09: Once you lost because you used wind and the enemy was out of range
Ajaiy: Miki09 Can you just tell me how to see someone's plays?
Ajaiy: I can only see Top 1000
Miki09: Go to leaderboard
Miki09: You cant see more than 1000
Ajaiy: Sorry, I confused bots with plays
Miki09: If youwant to watch specific player search it in the search bar
Miki09: Oh ok
Kokoz: yes Miki, I am aware but I dont know how to fix it.. I think I am checking for range..
Miki09: Try euclidian
Miki09: distance
Miki09: math.sqrt((myx-hisx)**2+(myy-hisy)**2)
Miki09: https://www.tutorialexample.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Euclidean-distance-in-tensorflow.png
Kokoz: I am checking if the monster is close to my base AND if my heroes are in wind range
Miki09: hmmm
Miki09: What is ur distance formula?
Ajaiy: Kokoz All your heroes are in the base, it might be better to send one of them to kill some spiders outside the base
Kokoz: heroes x and y minus monster x and y <= 1250
Miki09: thats not gonna work
Miki09: https://www.tutorialexample.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Euclidean-distance-in-tensorflow.png use this
Kokoz: Ok, I will try that. And Ajaiy, I will try moving them little bit further away from base
Miki09: Nice
XxGrindingSheeshxX: if your hero's position is x = 0 and y = 0 and monster's pos is x = 1250 and y = 1250 your calculations are not gonna work cause the distance is bigger than 1250
Kokoz: I see
Kokoz: Thank you guys :)
Miki09: np :-)
XxGrindingSheeshxX: np
FrozenYT: hello
FrozenYT: im new here
FrozenYT: im doing no spoon but im stuck
Miki09: Where?
FrozenYT: at the start
FrozenYT: i dont understand it
Miki09: hmm
VizGhar: he is doint there is no spoon puzzle
FrozenYT: yea
FrozenYT: for python
Miki09: For each node, you have to output his neighbors on right and down
VizGhar: FrozenYT ask questions directly
FrozenYT: ??
VizGhar: You didn't ask anything
VizGhar: we cant help you
FrozenYT: so should i say "Can you help me understand the 'there is no spoon puzzle'"?
VizGhar: there is full description there... what you dont understand?
Miki09: you have to go left to right
Miki09: in every node
Miki09: like reading a book
Miki09: and for every node
Miki09: you should print its neighbors
Miki09: on right and down
FrozenYT: ok
FrozenYT: thank you
Miki09: np
VizGhar: I don't understand how does that help him o.O
Kokoz: I think I fixed wind range issue..
Miki09: NIce
VizGhar: improved my bot falls 150 places :D that's life
Miki09: lol
avdg: I hope it's worth long term
Gawei: Ma da shen are you there?
avdg: Also, ranking can be a bit flaky
Kokoz: So, by fixing wind issue and moving heroes forward I moved 450 places up in the ranking :3
Jerrasterix: I want to make a summer holiday project, involving astronomy... any ideas pls ??
LaurensD: how about taking a picture every hour for the whole summer of the sky and make a slice show out of it
Jerrasterix: involving programming dude
jacek: programming in bikini
LaurensD: you can make your own raspberry pi code :innocent:
Jerrasterix: jacek :unamused:
avdg: matrix math with stars, sky and time?
Jerrasterix: cool, thanks avdg
LarsVR: can we get out of bronze yet?
Jerrasterix: nope only at 1pm EST
Jerrasterix: *2pm
JohnyDaison: Why is opening Silver delayed so much?
therealbeef: this is normal. because they make the bronze boss out of one of the bots, they want people to have some time making decent bronze bots
Uljahn: yes, there are no bosses prepared in advance for higher leagues, they want the bosses' difficulty to scale with average skill of participants to make legend league not too crowded and not too empty
Enknable: Uljahn does that mean bosses are coded during the competition by Codingame to separate Leagues?
therealbeef: they just copy a person's bot
Enknable: oh
Enknable: thats a better way lol
therealbeef: sometimes you can see that when they copy a 'chatty' bot ;)
Enknable: so there's someone out there...getting pwned by themselves
Enknable: what a world
therealbeef: i think everyone above the chosen bot (including the bot that got copied) gets automatic promotion
JohnyDaison: Why should they be pwned by themselves? Have you tried running your own code against itself? Perfectly symmetrical violence. Ended with a tie.
Enknable: sounds like The Matrix.
Enknable: I beat myself all the time.
Enknable: <3
XxGrindingSheeshxX: if u use random values it can not be symmetrical violence xD
JohnyDaison: TMI
dinggg: Hey. When is Silver out and anyone know how many people get in straight away?
Enknable: relax antiwonto
Thorcode: ;taco:
Thorcode: :taco:
Thorcode: that bot slept
Wontonimo: hi antiwonto
antiwonto: [auto] hey Wontonimo. I'm a bot :robot:
Thorcode: how
Enknable: dang
Wontonimo: nope sleep, just not gonna taco during competition
Thorcode: why
Jerrasterix: hello antiwonto
antiwonto: [auto] hey Jerrasterix. I'm a bot :robot:
Enknable: Wontonimo must be a positonimo
Wontonimo: there is too much conversatiion about competition and there is some fear it will turn into spam
Thorcode: ok
Thorcode: hola antiwonto
Enknable: sup, antiwonto
Wontonimo: only looks for "hi" ;( I should improve it to also allow hola, sup
Thorcode: balls
Thorcode: yeah
Wontonimo: that's no longer a bad word
Thorcode: that badword dead
_NikJ: you bet your ass it isn't
antiwonto: [auto] _NikJ be respectful and watch your language
https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
_NikJ: there we go, I triggered him :d
Wontonimo: please don't try and trigger it
Thorcode: new word?
Enknable: there is no language anchor in that link btw
Thorcode: what can you do antiwonto
Enknable: no mention of "bad words"
Thorcode: help
Wontonimo: it really just says hi, looks for bad words, and clash of code links right now
Thorcode: anti stop sending msg with "help"?
Thorcode: that's goood
_NikJ: I know it's been asked 22! times already, but when does the silver open for spring contest?
_NikJ: Maybe you can add an answer to it Wontonimo
Wontonimo: II think maybe 2pm
Wontonimo: EST
_NikJ: that's in 10 hours?
Thorcode: spring challenge like the botter of the galaxy
Wontonimo: idk, i was just looking at the logs for an answer
_NikJ: are you participating in the contest, Wontonimo?
Thorcode: he is
Enknable: hi antiwonto, I found a real ass in https://www.codingame.com/ide/48546456e7d6e2e50fc86753d96171ce61673d4x
antiwonto: [auto] Enknable be respectful and watch your language
https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
Thorcode: stop pls bro
Enknable: just wanted to see
Enknable: the switch statement
Enknable: ;)
Wontonimo: Enknable, consider that your warning. No more
Westicles: can you get into silver with only wind?
Thorcode: i think can
Jerrasterix: I guess not
Jerrasterix: literally every top 250 players are using control
Wontonimo: my rank is 1385, and I only use wind
Thorcode: some guy could defend with one knight and wind
MACKEYTH: I'm not.
Jerrasterix: nope you can't Thorcode
Westicles: well, then how about only control? I only want to learn one spell
Wontonimo: lol
avdg: I'm now 650 with only wind, got to less than 1800 yesterday without spell
Aramang: i reckon you could get silver with shield and no wind
Thorcode: yep
Jerrasterix: lol, you can't with 1
Thorcode: only control can do that
Enknable: Wontonimo affirmative :cop_tone1:
Wontonimo: :thumbsup: :grin:
_NikJ: Yesterday I was 80th and I only used wind. Today I'm using shield too and I'm 300th :D
Enknable: Dang..megaman looks alot like the police lol
Jerrasterix: _NikJ, that's bcoz others have started to use spells
_NikJ: Oh believe me, I've noticed :D
_NikJ: Some are very aggressive
Thorcode: wind and control is good to defend
avdg: and I'm wondering why the ui doesn't display emoji's in comments
Jerrasterix: yeah, I am struggling for a basic implementation lol
avdg: it can do unicode, I saw Japanese text earlier today
Jerrasterix: defending will only earn you a lose as you will not go out of the base
Jerrasterix: and will gather less wild mana
Thorcode: how do control cost you?
Enknable: jerrasterix thats true, but only if you don't lose yourself
avdg: spells can eat mana I guess
Thorcode: yep
Thorcode: every spell need 20 mana
Jerrasterix: each spell 10 mana
avdg: you can loose 30 each turn
nalka0: Do you guys know if damages dealt by a hero outside of the base to a monster inside the base is wild mana or not?
Thorcode: i'm thinking how to caculate time each round?
avdg: I think any hit gains mana?
Thorcode: nah
Thorcode: killing gain mana
Jerrasterix: outside is wild mana nalka0
nalka0: Yeah any hit gains mana but my question is about WILD mana
Enknable: nalka0 if you're checking that deep
Aramang: i don't know for sure i heard wild mana was based only on the hero position
Enknable: damn u scary
avdg: `In case of a tie, the player who gained the highest amount`
avdg: `this is called wild mana`
nalka0: Haha well i've been looking at the code in their repository but the only thing i found is a gainMana() that increases manaGainedOutsideOfBase without conditions
Thorcode: i think i should start coding my own hero now
Q12: "In case of a tie, the player who gained the highest amount of mana outside the radius of their base will win. this is called wild mana."
avdg: Basically, wild mana is kinda like a hidden parameter unless you know about it
avdg: It only cannot be more than mana
nalka0: Exactly, that's why I ask cause I can't just figure it out with "debugging" ^^
Thorcode: just make a var to store your mana to caculate wild mana i think
pmor: wild mana is determined by the position of the hero
Enknable: pmor I trust u for some reason
pmor: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/3297c5714be55f900028750e8ecb8b51d6aa4551/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Referee.java#L563
Enknable: might be fear
avdg: if my ai plans to maximize, I don't have to store wild mana I guess
avdg: though the game provides the mana of each player each turn
nalka0: @pmor yeah I was about to post it here but you've been faster ^^
nalka0: And also, i've been wondering, is it normal that we're all stuck bronze?
MACKEYTH: nalka0 wild mana is earned when your hero does damage while outside of the base
MACKEYTH: Monster position doesn't matter
Wontonimo: no
Wontonimo: wild mana is earned just being outside of base
Wontonimo: no combat needed
Wontonimo: it is an incentive to not camp in your base, that's it
yhyoxx: wild mana is mana earned outside the base
MACKEYTH: No, combat is required, if I'm reading the ref right. It's in the performCombat function
avdg: combat just means getting your hero close to monster outside base
nalka0: Wontonimo, do you pull this from reading the code or the knowledge you have of the game? Cuz indeed Referee.java line 570 makes it look like you're right but i'm not sure about fully understanding the code
MACKEYTH: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/3297c5714be55f900028750e8ecb8b51d6aa4551/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Referee.java
MACKEYTH: line 563
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/623410227 wth was that in the last few turns
nalka0: @mackeyth Yeah this line means only the hero matters, but it doesn't mean you don't need to deal damage
JohnyDaison: nalka0, are we reading the same code? because to me it looks like you need to be in combat
cegprakash: how opponent pushed about 10 monsters of distance 10000 units in 1 turn :O
MACKEYTH: triple overlapping wind spells.
avdg: in the worst case, 6 heroes can push a single entity
cegprakash: I was only using MOVE commands avdg
avdg: well, onsters, because you can't push your own team
avdg: so 3 times 2200 => 6600
cegprakash: SPELL WIND 17630 9000 means push to right bottom right
cegprakash: why is it pushing to top left
Aramang: it would probably be op to gather up 3 spiders and triple yeet them at the enemy
avdg: pusing is relative to your hero, otherwise dunno?
kovi: i saw some blue wind 0,0
avdg: 6600 push with a base fog radius of 6000
Jerrasterix: I try to accomodate SHIELD in my code , went from 1200 to 4100 :innocent:
kovi: on that replay
Aramang: 4100 means literally doesn't run right?
Jerrasterix: nope, just last every battle somehow, without any error :sob:
avdg: hmm I had a running bot at the back, it just didn't defend well yet
Jerrasterix: I am reverting
AidasLau: please help on wood 2 league?
avdg: you have a code problem or a problem solving problem?
AidasLau: 2nd one
Jerrasterix: just defend your base
avdg: probably best to share a replay?
AidasLau: yes but how to write code for that?
cegprakash: kovi I'm unable to reproduce that replay with same seed in IDE
cegprakash: it's so weird how 10 units teleported 10000 distance
Jerrasterix: just attack the spider nearest to your base
kovi: your backwind helpem them a lot
(pulling both mobs and enemies)
JohnyDaison: cegprakash it seemed to me like one of your dudes also casted wind in the direction of your own base
avdg: 6 * 2200 => 13200 => basically almost the whole map
cegprakash: no JohnyDaison my base is 0,0 I am using spell on SPELL WIND 17630 9000
cegprakash: and opponent has only 20 mana JohnyDaison
Jerrasterix: nope your output shows that you are SPELL winding at 0 0 cegprakash
cegprakash: even triple wind is not enough to teleport 10000 units
Jerrasterix: your bot 0 does it
JohnyDaison: yep
LaurensD: so... is the entityid consistent the whole game or can that be changed each loop?
JohnyDaison: turn 198
JohnyDaison: entity.Id is consistent
AlMualem: is there a way to know where the cut off will be done for silver?
LaurensD: Thanks :grimacing: I wonder what I'm doing wrong with the current refactor :P
avdg: cut off silver: unknown, depends on which ai the moderators are picking
AlMualem: maybe mid of bronze or top 1/3 i would say....lets see
cegprakash: thx Jerrasterix JohnyDaison kovi fixed it
Jerrasterix: np
Aramang: treating all 3 heroes as one is kind of cool https://www.codingame.com/replay/623417233
this is super basic test logic, skip to about 45
AlMualem: For a weird reason i read Johny's name and i read Davidson :P
AidasLau: help on wood 2
AidasLau: how to write code
Aramang: if you don't know how to write code start with a simpler problem
Ajaiy: Wait, how do I know if someone pushed me with WIND?
Thorcode: start with the starter kit then got to bronze fast
benobab: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/47d44bac-037e-4f7e-9b20-db2116af589a
benobab: Hi, C++ here, for the spring challenge 2022, I'm timing out at 70/75ms, not 100ms. Am I the only one ?
dbf: 50 ms per turn is a limit
Wontonimo: 50ms is the timout
Jerrasterix: Ajaiy you can if you track the position, and telling if there was a sudden increase or decrease
benobab: oh boy ok, it's writtent "Temps de réponse par tour ≤ 100ms" it's for both players?
benobab: thanks
Ajaiy: Ah I see
Ajaiy: Thanks
jacek: its 50ms
dbdr: 50 ms in english is translated as 100 ms in french :D
jacek: but time is slower in france
Ajaiy: dbdr lol
benobab: aha
benobab: thanks for your replies, I'll let the creator know
Ajaiy: It's like telling that ord in python is OrderedSet in some language
benobab: of course it is :p
SirLoxley: that awkward moment when you start programming an attacker, play against your version which doesn't do it ... and lose
Ajaiy: I understand
jordonez: Working on that right know, my attacker is useless hahaha
jordonez: now*
Ajaiy: What does it do though?
jordonez: he is not a real threat so i lose because of wild mana
AnyaForger: :kissing_heart:
SirLoxley: my attacker actually works, only thing is ... he attacks my base lol
Something is odd with the normalization logic
jacek: insurance fraud?
Aramang: your bot geined sentience and tried to commit suicide
Ajaiy: SirLoxley Maybe you used the wrong coordinates for something
Ajaiy: Like thinking your base is at 0, 0 when you are in red team
Ajaiy: It happened in my code
SirLoxley: of course I did :-)
Ajaiy: Wait, really? :O
Flash7: do someone know if an entity is protected from spell the turn it is used?
SirLoxley: I actually made the effort to 'normalize' the game, i.e. if I happen to have the opposite base, I will make a note, and invert all input ... that way I can always assume my base is at 0, 0 (obviously has to be corrected during output)
SirLoxley: Looks like there was an oversight :-)
Enknable: r u using atan2?
Ajaiy: Who?
MACKEYTH: Flash7 no, shield takes effect the turn after it's cast
Enknable: SirLoxley
Flash7: alright ty
SirLoxley: no. Cos/Sin nothing more fancy
SirLoxley: It's ok, found it
Ajaiy: Wait, why do you need it though?
Alurian: How's everyone doing in the event?
Ajaiy: Very well, thank you :)
Alurian: Is there a way I can play against your bot?
Ajaiy: Which league are you?
Alurian: Bronze
Ajaiy: I guess, no? Since I am not yet in Top 1000
Ajaiy: I am tweaking my code
Alurian: ooh ok
msumera: When is silver league opened?
Alurian: in 5 hours if im correct
Mortis_666: yeah! im at top 100 now
Alurian: waiting for that
Alurian: top 50 here :D
Mortis_666: nice
Alurian: waiting to improve until silver comes
Mortis_666: same
LaurensD: Is there any way to identify when a spider dies?
IvesL: hp = 0?
Alurian: not really, it's better to recreate a list each turn
SirLoxley: dies or died?
LaurensD: died
IvesL: dieded
SirLoxley: you don't get the ID in the next round
Alurian: hp = 0 won't work seeing as they wont give spiders with 0 hp
Aramang: you cant know where the emeny will move so its possibly unknown if they will hit it
LaurensD: aww made it so I got a list that is re-used so that I still have the older locations when someone is out of bound
IvesL: but if you dont have it in vision, its id disappears as well
LaurensD: Yeah but it might be alive
Th1nhNg0: I was test the stable-baselines3 library in python with snake environment and it look very promising
Aramang: spider heads out of vision towards my base...
my bot: this is fine
SirLoxley: My attacker sucks :/ ... I won against my own but, but by Wild Mana only
Alurian: you should just make sure atleast 1 guy is close to base
Alurian: because you can see everything up to 5000 units away from base
Alurian: I often win with wild mana
Alurian: attacking is hard
JohnyDaison: LaurensD just put a tick limit on how long to store that Entity. If it hasn't been seen in a few ticks, it's probably gone.
LaurensD: I sort of had that idea but it'll react unpredicatable because it assumes that spider is still there for a few turns
DollarAkshay: When is Silver opening ?
IvesL: in 4 hours?
DollarAkshay: TY
LaurensD: later today
DollarAkshay: I know it is today. wanted to know the exact time
ACad: Hey how exactly do we win wild mana?
LaurensD: should be kills outside your base
Ajaiy: You kill spiders outside the base
LaurensD: so in the 'wild'
IvesL: you "damage" rather than kill
IvesL: you dont have to kill
ACad: Nice, do you know if you win more by damaging the ones with more health?
ACad: Thank you a lot everyone
KiwiTae: wildmana its smth new in bronze?
IvesL: you get 1 damage per damage
IvesL: 1mana*
JohnyDaison: no, only difference is inside or outside the base, health doesn't matter
ACad: ok thank you!
IvesL: so each hero get 2mana from each monster in range each turn
MACKEYTH: Yep
Ekaon: What makes the difference after 600 rank to win the battle ?
IvesL: what do you mean
MACKEYTH: Two things I found useful was switching the behavior of my attacker between attacking and hunting based on my mana
avdg: my bot is now around 650 (now slightly better)
I guess wasting less moves can do something
avdg: also use more spells to put the opponent under more pressure
MACKEYTH: and making aggressive used of wind to blow spiders into the enemy base
Ekaon: This is rouggly what I do
avdg: my ai is also already quite good in gathering mana
Kokoz: if you use control on monster does it carry "is_controlled" untill something else happens, or "is_controlled" is 1 only while using the spell??
avdg: though it doesn't hunt monsters, just defends the base for now
Ekaon: I had 3 guys that can swtich of behaviour depending wich one is the nearest, one that farm mana, one to defend and one to attack. The attacker is also a farmer at the begening
Ekaon: I found that using mana at begening is really a waste
MACKEYTH: I just added some control-anticontrol logic to my bot. waiting to see if it helps
avdg: Kokoz: control is applied once on the next turn I believe
See statements
Ekaon: Mana is really a key from what I saw, we should use it wisely. For example, I shield my defender only if it was controlled once and helps me get some ranks more
avdg: It's mentioned on "Action order for one turn"
LaurensD: decided to test the bot agains @Alurian, lol that wasn't a good idea =P
LaurensD: got butchered
MACKEYTH: Hmph. literally no difference.
Ekaon: Maybe you should do it more contextually ?
msumera: i just tested my bot against 4th and it won, hope it's not just luck
Miki09: Submitting code
Miki09: With REALLY big changes
Miki09: Hope it'll be ok
LaurensD: it's probably fine ~
Miki09: idk
Valdemar: Ekaon as far as I can see difference in wld mana gathering mainly. The better you move to beat several spiders at once the higher you will climb
msumera: new bot, 40th -> 13th :)
Miki09: Omg
Miki09: congratulations :-)
msumera: thanks! I added some features like standing at the edge outside of base when defending just to get wild mana ;)
Miki09: O.O
Miki09: Can anyone please tell me when will the silver league open,
Miki09: Many people say many different things
msumera: i heard it's in 3.5 hours, but not sure
Miki09: yeah me too
Miki09: but I also heard its in 7.5 hours
Miki09: so idk...
_NikJ: I also heard that they need to add it manually and they won't do it today because it's sunday D:
_NikJ: So nobody really knows when
Miki09: hmmm.....
AlMualem: it is 2pm GMT
SirLoxley: When my hero gets mind controlled and casts a shield on himself in the same turn ... why is there no shield on him in the next turn? I cannot find it in the rules
msumera: if the hero is controlled, he cannot do anything
Obult: silver opens in 4.5hrs
_NikJ: are there any new rules in silver? do we have that info?
DollarAkshay: what happens if wind is used on the edge of the map ?
Uljahn: no new rules expected in silver, bronze rules should be final
KiwiTae: SirLoxley control happens before shielding
Miki09: oh ok
Ajaiy: Wow, this year, the rules are super simple
Miki09: Uljahn do u have any info about when the silver opens?
Ajaiy: but there are millions of strategies
Uljahn: Miki09: no precise info atm https://clist.by/standings/spring-challenge-2022-34341526/
Miki09: ok thx
SirLoxley: the rules are very vague here, it's really easy to miss, there's only one line about 'even if he's controlled' ...
avdg: There is referee code, though the description isn't the worst imo
avdg: There might still be some try and error involved, explaining things clearly is a hard thing to do
avdg: The code can be found here https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/tree/main/src/main/java/com/codingame/game
But again here, you might need to read it quickly 10 times before it makes sense
MACKEYTH: Ooh, top 10!
Nerchio: gz
avdg: nice
avdg: gonna have to clean up my code before I push again, now cleaning up and luckily no big bugs here
avdg: my ai now takes a bit more time with mostly about 1 full ms
avdg: but I now see peeks at 20ms
avdg: hmm
avdg: oh I guess I read the wrong number
msumera: how do you check that?
avdg: `const { performance } = require("perf_hooks"); performance.now()`
avdg: at least in js/ts
Nerchio: playing defense in this game is pretty fun
avdg: mine is quite defensive
Nerchio: I will write offensive when I am satisfied with my defense, which is far from it :grin:
avdg: I'm making already changes to improve offensive implementations later
wlesavo: if you sim the defence you will already sim the offence as well :slight_smile:
karliso: Best defense is a good offense
avdg: hmm my code simming?
wlesavo: oh hi karliso, how you feel about this game? :slight_smile:
avdg: it's not even comparing 2 states at the moment except 1 thing that is not related to simming
avdg: (more related to math I can't do in my head so I took the slow way)
avdg: (so I have a function doing n instead of 1, but with a low n)
karliso: wlesavo nnguys say is it quite unnable so that is good I think.
k4aAki: Hey boys, beginner question here. I expected to be threat_for to be only 1 if its trajectory is pointing towards my base. but it seems like its default 1
avdg: you mean, you mostly get the value 1
RoyTorre: Jo! I've been first in my league for a while, but I'm not advancing. How do I get into a higher league?
avdg: RoyTorre did you get a working bot yet?
RoyTorre: Yep and I pushed it live in arena too
avdg: does it kill incoming monsters?
k4aAki: its seems like i messed up. just printed the inputs
RoyTorre: Yes it does. I win most battles
RoyTorre: I'm in wood 1 though XD, but for some reason it doesn't send me to a higher league
avdg: I'm now rank 660 in bronze with a bot I submitted yesterday evening
RoyTorre: Ah maybe your league changes over night then or something
avdg: the bot needs to be kinda flawless mostly, unless you have a fun bug making your bot win better than expected (already happened to me a few times)
avdg: but otherwise, it just a matter of yeasting the bot sometimes
RoyTorre: I see so I'll just have to push the code to the arena?
ganbat24: I am in 2570 with a bot that doesnt use mana
avdg: yeah, and see if it doesn't do weird behaviour
avdg: I got around 1800 yesterday without using mana (just before I added wind casts and after fixing bugs)
avdg: that position may be higher now, with more bots being better
RoyTorre: I see thanks!
avdg: I guess around 2000 with the same bot
DollarAkshay: what happens if wind is used on the edge of the map ?
IvesL: from my experience, it stucks at that point
IvesL: so it will be constantly pushed and get stuck if your code works like that
Ekaon: the 100ms of game turn are processed after le last monster is read ? Because when i check it can be 80ms long to read the entities
LaurensD: @Ekaeon per constraint it could be < 50ms for turns; the first turn is allowed to be < 1000 ms
Uljahn: start the measurement after reading the first line of inputs
Ekaon: So I dont understand why my program can run 83ms without being shut down
jacek: sometimes there is margin but its unreliable
Ekaon: I benchmarked that reading entities can last 101ms long
LaurensD: are you sure it's 83ms? that's rather slow (I think :?)
Ekaon: Yes, this is why I'm surprised. I use c++ and it's only the entity reading phase that take this long
Ekaon: Not always tho
Ekaon: In avg it's 23ms
Ekaon: Maybe the testing area has slow stream operations ?
Uljahn: maybe you're measuring it wrong?
avdg: I write nodejs code and it's doing turns usually in around 1 ms with additional logic I added just now
Ekaon: I'm pretty confident, but I can show you what i use to measure
Ekaon: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/f12df54e-717a-4e5a-82b2-8eae13f0aeb6
avdg: I've done some precautions though about perf from the start
LaurensD: lol
LaurensD: oh wait
Uljahn: Ekaon: do you start the measurement after reading the first line of inputs?
avdg: it can do turns in less than .2 ms at best
avdg: (mine is measured after reading)
LaurensD: Oh well mine is also like 20 a 40 ms whoopsy
ycsvenom: is silver league open now?
slazure: whats silver league
avdg: few hours
Ekaon: In first place I measured before the first reading until the end of turn. But I was able to restrain it around only the reading of entities
avdg: a bit more than 3 hours and silver is open
slazure: what is silver
ycsvenom: on the contest slazure
ycsvenom: bot programming
Ekaon: Because actually all my others bit of code are smaller than 1ms
avdg: silver is better than bronze, bots are ranked
avdg: Are you sure it's not the waiting on input?
avdg: Because that is normal
Ekaon: You mean before the first input ?
avdg: yeah
Uljahn: so you're measuring the referee time and your opponents time lol
avdg: I wonder if the opponent is executed in parallel
jacek: theyre sequential in referee
RoyTorre: How can I debug log with python?
jacek: print to stderr
Uljahn: print to error stream with file=sys.stderr argument
jacek: print("Debug messages...", file=sys.stderr, flush=True)
Ekaon: Haaa no you're write, the time is while reading the first input
RoyTorre: Thanks
avdg: :-)
Uljahn: :upside_down:
Ekaon: Okay my bad
Ekaon: Mystery solved
jacek: (:
ycsvenom: it would be magnificent if the rank appears as tooltip when you point to someone in vs battles
avdg: (hmm my mind thinks it sees references with bomberman game)
LaurensD: Hmm, if you do move to XX and the next turn execute wait; will it keep walking or stay in place?
avdg: move is only executed once unless it is a monster
avdg: (but meh, you can't control monsters except with a spell)
LaurensD: whoopsy with move I ment my own hero
Uemu: I rly lose a lot when it comes to wildmana score
LaurensD: @Uemu yeah! got to fix that also =P
avdg: my bot can plan attack very well, as long as it sees the monsters
avdg: that's enough to gain a lot of mana for me
avdg: (and yeah, wild mana is gained outside your own base)
ycsvenom: i hate aggressive bots
avdg: and my bot only focusses on defence for now
ycsvenom: what's your rank?
avdg: 663 now
avdg: added some big changes to my ai, but my ai doesn't take advantage of the change now
Last submission was yesterday
IvesL: if you want to play against aggressive bot, try "statiolake"
avdg: hmm, wonder if I win
avdg: nope
_NikJ: statiolake is so aggressive and I'm so passive that he loses to normal spiders before he can get to my base
_NikJ: but man oh man is it an annoying strategy :D
IvesL: he goes all in
IvesL: i like his thinking
Miki09: Like th #986th statiolake?
avdg: just shoot one 1 mentallity :D
avdg: *one in
avdg: hmm second run, I win
IvesL: but honestly his strategy still has great potential, if he manages to herd 3 together
avdg: it would be scary if he does symmetry
avdg: and target the one very close to base
ycsvenom: maybe if we do vulnerability testing on the contest code
maybe we can change it's variables from outside :smiley:
IvesL: his current strategy will will harm his herd
IvesL: still*
LaurensD: @IvesL why does it feel like I
LaurensD: I'm playing with myself
LaurensD: and then getting rekt
Illedan: :tada:
LaurensD: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/623529501
Miki09: Im submitting new code, looks pretty good
Pieman: Is silver unlocked yet ?
Miki09: no
Ekaon: In 2h
IvesL: @LaurensD, i feel like you need to set priority for your heroes, rather than all of them rushing for the same target
avdg: hmm his bot is random, same run, different result
avdg: or maybe it's because I changed something in my code (I only changed something in the debug output)
LaurensD: @IvesL had something that made sure that there were not two attacking the same target but that did not work too well haha
avdg: or maybe he updated his bot
avdg: this is one run from my ai
https://www.codingame.com/replay/623533226
IvesL: @avdg, i think you use too many wind in early turns
IvesL: when you can hunt them for mana
1mpossible_c: playing codingame makes me feel so smart but in reality I suck at programming
avdg: it is already conservative, though the checks needs to be improved
Miki09: Oh god
Miki09: He uses 3 winds at same time
Miki09: O.O
avdg: outside base it only uses wind when it think it is effective
IvesL: @1mpossible_c same same
ycsvenom: that was brutal avdg
1mpossible_c: when there's character criteria, it becomes really unfair for C-family languages
ycsvenom: he is an aggressive player
1mpossible_c: python and similar languages will just write very short functions
1mpossible_c: C-family needs curly bracelets for beginners lol
avdg: ? what is brutal?
LaurensD: throwing the enemy right to the finish
ycsvenom: i mean the reply you shared
LaurensD: dude did the same to me
ycsvenom: replay*
avdg: it's the only way my ai can be outbeated I believe apart from overloading
avdg: well, at least my defence
RoyTorre: fuck had to revert 2 h of work because of a bug XD
antiwonto: [auto] RoyTorre be respectful and watch your language
https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
avdg: ai's don't seem to like that :p
Divlo: Hello, world!
Divlo: :sunglasses:
ycsvenom: till now i have max of 4 lose streak
LaurensD: @avdg I thought challenge accepted; but awww https://www.codingame.com/replay/623537597
avdg: it's only using wind now :p
LaurensD: mine has not really brains atm
LaurensD: just randoms
LaurensD: lol
avdg: hmm I might get a very aggressive bot working quite soon
LaurensD: is there any trick to throw enemies really far?
Aramang: multiple winds on the same turn
avdg: I'm working around some fog issues right now
LaurensD: interesting
avdg: what also helps: your ai's aim in the same direction
StyllyMyle: Sup bois
StyllyMyle: long time no see
Aramang: yeah if the heroes arent in the same location they need to shoot in parallel, not at the same point
LaurensD: @avdg always to the enemy base :3
avdg: ? my winds?
avdg: yeah
LaurensD: does it help being in front of them and then execute with winds? or isn't there a logic like that
LaurensD: so the draft throw is bigger
avdg: there is logic to keep my heroes a bit outside base, but with 1 always near base
avdg: and 2200 is the distance it travels
avdg: base fog is 6000
StyllyMyle: Cannot get promoted to wood 1?
avdg: StyllyMyle did you just submit?
StyllyMyle: I can only get test in arena button
StyllyMyle: No submit
StyllyMyle: and after testing, Im above bot but still can't get upgrade
avdg: you need to wait the full rank stabilization procedure
Miki09: Illedan congrats on #3
untab: this is good crack
Illedan: ty
avdg: hmm my new changes add 323 lines of code to the ai and it currently doesn't improve the ai at all, will work on that soon
Miki09: Im currently on 153 line :-)
avdg: 1125
Miki09: lol
madninjaskillz: nearly 600 lines and every change makes it worse :|
tealfrog: what language?
madninjaskillz: c#
Miki09: me python
avdg: typescript
avdg: and still doing less than 1 ms each turn
Audatic: I feel if you make it top 50 they should give you more than 50 battles for the rank to stabilize. Just so random at the top spots.
tealfrog: I'm at 200 lines in python which seems enough for this league (12%)
Miki09: With my 152 lines I'm #746
Illedan: 1300 for 3rd
Miki09: nice
avdg: I wonder if there are others who track how long their bot spend on 1 turn
Miki09: Me totally not
VizGhar: 1300? you are searching right?
struct: you are doing good Illedan
VizGhar: like stuc t during last multi :P
Miki09: Does anyone know somebody who uses nn?
VizGhar: you were 1st for quite some time
struct: well I was beta tester
VizGhar: aha ok :P
avdg: you reused your code?
struct: on previous contest yeah
struct: but it wasnt that strong
struct: and I didnt really have anyone to test against
struct: so it wasn't a huge advantage
avdg: simming this game isn't that hard and unless your bot keeps state, the info for each turn is quite small
avdg: so in best case, dump data, run local
avdg: at least, if you had bugs
struct: My final bot had 100% win rate vs the beta tester bot
struct: so
avdg: ah
avdg: you could only play with yourself :p
struct: I could play vs the other beta testers
struct: but my bot also had very high win rate vs them
avdg: or share (parts of) the code with your collegues
avdg: because you are not in contest anyway
struct: I didnt share any code
WannaBeHum1n: guys
WannaBeHum1n: is sliver out yet ?
avdg: 2 and a half hours now
Alurian: 600 lines for 45 here. but using c#
avdg: @Alurian is it fast?
WannaBeHum1n: 104 lines js for 800 xD
Alurian: wdym fast?
avdg: I guess less than 10ms a turn is still quite fast
MACKEYTH: I'm up to 1138. A lot of trash has accumulated
Alurian: I have no clue how fast. i can place a timer
KamiTzayig: does this arena thing go forever?
avdg: mine does it typically in less than 1 ms a turn in typescript even after adding some logic, but I focussed on optimisations a bit
struct: the contest is 8 more days
KamiTzayig: im rank 6 now and i have an idea how to improve
struct: but after it gets released as a multi
KamiTzayig: how do i stop?
avdg: (rank 6600 here)
WannaBeHum1n: KamiTzayig what language u using
Audatic: new submission has a winstreak of 22 so far, fingers crossed :D
avdg: uh with 1 zero less
WannaBeHum1n: out of curiosity
KamiTzayig: python 3
KamiTzayig: im new to this platform
WannaBeHum1n: is it some genetic algortithm kind of stuff or conditions based bot ?
KamiTzayig: i clicked test in arena and have no idea how to go out lol
JohnyDaison: just click in the dark area
WannaBeHum1n: it keeps going by itself but u can press vs battles
KamiTzayig: maybe this is not the same ranking what we are talking about
WannaBeHum1n: to close it
KamiTzayig: ahh ok thanks
WannaBeHum1n: what division u on ?
KamiTzayig: wood 2, just start an hour ago
WannaBeHum1n: ahh ok
KamiTzayig: rank 4
WannaBeHum1n: have fun
KamiTzayig: lol
KamiTzayig: what devision are you?
KamiTzayig: leage
WannaBeHum1n: bronze 770
KamiTzayig: ok
KamiTzayig: lets see if i can get there
WannaBeHum1n: u will
JohnyDaison: everyone is waiting in bronze for them to open silver
WannaBeHum1n: u got this
KamiTzayig: thanks :D
Alurian: it's 18 ms
madninjaskillz: silver opening will make me look better - coz all the actually talented people will be out of bronze :D
WannaBeHum1n: i have a questioin
WannaBeHum1n: when silver opens up
Alurian: max is 30ms. but it can still use a lot of improvement
Alurian: in 2hours
WannaBeHum1n: how many will get automatically get there
WannaBeHum1n: ?
Nerchio: i'd say around 400 but we will see :P
Nerchio: maybe more
struct: way more
Alurian: aight
WannaBeHum1n: oof
struct: I expect like 40%
WannaBeHum1n: got get out of 700 800 range then
WannaBeHum1n: XD
struct: Alurian you have more than 2 hours
Nerchio: finally the first 20 games of a submit will not be a waste of time
Alurian: haha nah, waiting for silver :p
Nerchio: when does silver open? in 12 minss?
struct: people are saying 2 hours and 12 minutes
Alurian: Hard to see what works atm with only 40 people above me, and i have exam in few days
Nerchio: ok
peerdb: Usually it shows when the next league opens in the IDE right? They had a timestamp there but removed it
madninjaskillz: Finally improved... 711. Now scared to touch it lol
Alurian: here are my ranks when testing
WannaBeHum1n: In case of a tie, the player who gained the highest amount of mana outside the radius of their base will win. this is called wild mana.
Alurian: 847-1083-910-220-156-345-45
WannaBeHum1n: what is the radius of base
WannaBeHum1n: cuz 6000
WannaBeHum1n: is vison range
Alurian: 5000
WannaBeHum1n: ahh ok
WannaBeHum1n: thnx
BRETTRIVERBOAT: How are ties determined? Same base health at the end of the game?
WannaBeHum1n: in case of a tie, the player who gained the highest amount of mana outside the radius of their base will win. this is called wild mana.
_NikJ: if the health is the same then it takes into account wild mana aka the mana collected outside of your base
IvesL: do we have wild mana as input
Larbino: when does the silver league open ?
_NikJ: no, we don't IvesL
BRETTRIVERBOAT: Thanks
madninjaskillz: you can kinda calculate it - if an entity disapears - and you were attacking it and its not near your base, you can count it as a kill and thus mana
IvesL: can we copy opponent's moves?
avdg: hard to do in fog of war
madninjaskillz: if you can see them
WannaBeHum1n: if i see em
Alurian: uhm
IvesL: so we cant directly copy from output stream
Alurian: every hit isd 1 mana
avdg: don't blow when you have nothing to blow at though
Alurian: Your team will also acquire 1 point of mana per damage dealt to a monster, even from monsters with no health left.
avdg: I guess the copy bot will be a bad idea
WannaBeHum1n: when u hit it in the same turn
WannaBeHum1n: how to print text in the game
JB5: So far I was able to get to Bronze using simple code, I'm wondering if experienced programmers use any complex algorithms or data structures when implementing more complex code for this challenge?
WannaBeHum1n: ?
JB5: like graph, min-max, ...?
avdg: hmm I would benefit from extreme simple data structures though...
IvesL: i dont mean to copy opponents, i only want to know its actions
Audatic: I was top 10 now I am top 100 with only if/else no state
JB5: ok, thanks - I'm new so was curious a bout it
Alurian: top 50 with no state
madninjaskillz: I'm an experience programmer and my code is dumb as hell - its just an FSM with different behaviours based on how agressive the enemy player is. Anything clever I make does poorly lol.
Alurian: ooh i haven't calculated the enemy in yet
avdg: your bot has a basic empathy implementation?
Ajaiy: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/623571150
Ajaiy: I have no idea how it worked with Wood 1 code
Audatic: same. If I send the hero where the mon should be next turn my win rate drops by about 10%
avdg: my bot is basically the same for the first moves, except my ai push them out the base
Alurian: simple is best haha
WannaBeHum1n: Illedan are using genetic algotithms ?
Ophen: when will silver league drop
WannaBeHum1n: got to 678 if statements only xD
avdg: 2 hours from now till silver
msumera: what is the requirement to advance to silver?
avdg: beat the bot that has yet to be determined
madninjaskillz: can you read the name of the player youre against? So I can intentionally not go to silver. Wanna be a big fish in a little pond lol.
JulienKerlero: The only infos you get are what the game tells you, I don't think you can read the player's name
Astrobytes: of course not
Audatic: nah then you could hard code strategies against player names....
WannaBeHum1n: guys
JulienKerlero: But what you can do is pick a random number at the begening of the fight, and lose the game if it's below a threshold
WannaBeHum1n: how to make text on hero
WannaBeHum1n: using js
Audatic: add it after command
JulienKerlero: That way, you'll never promote but you'll still be (sometimes) an unbeatable opponent
avdg: you only get their base health and mana other than entity data
Ophen: how do you know when silver will drop ? where it is mentionned
WannaBeHum1n: SPELL WIND 6000 5000 TEXT
IvesL: i dont get how you are unbeatable by losing
WannaBeHum1n: like this ?
avdg: https://clist.by/standings/spring-challenge-2022-34341526/
IvesL: yes
JulienKerlero: Let's say 50% of the time you lose intentionally
JulienKerlero: You'll never get promoted
avdg: it made the opponent scared I guess
Mateuszone: how can index 0 be out of range in range(heroes_per_player) xd
IvesL: but you lose intentionally is still beaten
IvesL: so you are not unbeatable
JulienKerlero: then you'll be promoted
JulienKerlero: the goal here is not to be promoted
JulienKerlero: to achieve that, you HAVE to lose games
WannaBeHum1n: it is to be evil
LaurensD: @Mateuszone perhaps it has not been filled yet :?
IvesL: then just write random codes
WannaBeHum1n: and make ur enemies doubt their skill as developers
IvesL: randomize your actions
Astrobytes: never heard so much nonsense
IvesL: lmao yea
WannaBeHum1n: guys this is super dumb
WannaBeHum1n: but i am console.error an array
WannaBeHum1n: how can i make the items in the array
WannaBeHum1n: show under each other
JulienKerlero: IvesL the goal is also the be "the unbeatable guy" and thus have a really good AI
WannaBeHum1n: not in a long line
JulienKerlero: add a \n after each element ?
JulienKerlero: or whatever the new line symbol is in your programming langage (is it Java ?)
WannaBeHum1n: [item, \n, item]
WannaBeHum1n: like this ?
JulienKerlero: yup
IvesL: i will let you continue your work there
WannaBeHum1n: ty
IvesL: seems i have misunderstanding about the concept of unbeatable
Puiss51: Hi I think silver league is not opened yet, does somebody know when it would be?
WannaBeHum1n: asked earlier
WannaBeHum1n: people said
DollarAkshay: is mana gained in the opponent base considered as wild mana ?
WannaBeHum1n: in around 2hrs
DollarAkshay: "wild mana: mana gained outside the radius of your base."
DollarAkshay: So I am guessing mana in the enemy base is wild mana ?
Alurian: JUP
WannaBeHum1n: when all my heros attack the same entity
WannaBeHum1n: do i gain mana
WannaBeHum1n: more
WannaBeHum1n: than hitting by single hero
WannaBeHum1n: ?
IvesL: just for imagination, but would it be a good idea that the heroes can be leveled up by slaying certain numbers of monsters for better attributes, like speed, damage, spells
Alurian: Your team will also acquire 1 point of mana per damage dealt to a monster, even from monsters with no health left.
WannaBeHum1n: i cant manage to understand the sentence
WannaBeHum1n: because all heros do damage
WannaBeHum1n: same turn
Alurian: if you hit a monster that has 1 health
Alurian: with 3 heroes
SergeyShirokov: leveling up will be a runoff mechanic
Alurian: you get three mana anyway
Alurian: even though the first would kill it
WannaBeHum1n: but this is an edge scenario
WannaBeHum1n: what id monster full hp
WannaBeHum1n: i wont gain anthing right ?
WannaBeHum1n: ot no
WannaBeHum1n: or*
Alurian: if you hit an enemy with more health, you just do 3 dmg and get 3 manba
Alurian: EVERY 1 dmg = 1 mana
WannaBeHum1n: so basically i just kill it faster
WannaBeHum1n: no mana gained
WannaBeHum1n: ty
WannaBeHum1n: 4 taking the time
Alurian: what you mean no mana gained
WannaBeHum1n: to help
Alurian: at the edge case you gain extra mana
WannaBeHum1n: yeah
WannaBeHum1n: but i am thinking
WannaBeHum1n: i divide them to attack more monsters xould be more beneficial
WannaBeHum1n: cuz i always lose by wild mana
Alurian: hitting multiple monsters at once is more beneficial tho. because 1 hero can attack 5 monsters at once for example
Alurian: i send 2 out to get wild mana and one to defend
WannaBeHum1n: yeah i think i am statrting to understand why i dont gain as much mana
Alurian: the multiple monsters is a more complex subject i am yet to implement
Mateuszone: guys im a newbie
WannaBeHum1n: scan all monsters
WannaBeHum1n: check if coordinates
Mateuszone: how i can make sure that wind will not be casted towards my base?xd
WannaBeHum1n: are in same
WannaBeHum1n: hitting range
WannaBeHum1n: mobilize
WannaBeHum1n: hero
WannaBeHum1n: u mean this Alurian ?
KamiTzayig: im rank 1 in wood league, how do i get to bronze?
WannaBeHum1n: wait
WannaBeHum1n: can take even 5 mins
Alurian: yeah that's way more complex. because you also have to take into account that they move. so if it's to far away you will just waste time and your hero will just be running around hityting nothing
WannaBeHum1n: u will get a notification
Alurian: mateusz
Alurian: 'use
SPELL WIND ENEMYBASE.X ENEMYBASE.Y
Alurian: themn you blow to enemy base
WannaBeHum1n: alurian yeah accounting for direction would be hard too
WannaBeHum1n: the can be going opposit eways
WannaBeHum1n: resulting in them getting out of hit range faster
Alurian: yeah so in theory its simple but in practice its not
WannaBeHum1n: yup
Alurian: right now i just hit closest target
Alurian: what rank are you wanna?
Thheo: herocan't move less than 800 units?
WannaBeHum1n: can i dm u Alurian?
Alurian: sure
Alurian: yes they can move less
Alurian: they move 800 maximum
IvesL: shorter target xy
Alurian: I've never used the wait command lol
Mateuszone: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/c244ab1b-4563-428f-aed4-5268baa9874d
Mateuszone: guys why it forces my all 3 heroes to slowly go towards enemy base instead of forcing only hero number 0 to go there?
jacek: does it work? no out of syncs messages?
jacek: because after the if (i == 0) there is no else nor return
avdg: so they all move towardds the spiders?
avdg: I don't see where spiders_ranked is evaluated, but it must be unchanged for all 3 heroes
IvesL: could you provide a replay
avdg: the first loop only may trigger the first if statement
Mateuszone: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/28aab8f5-6034-47a9-86b6-6ee97cddfa34
Mateuszone: thats a full code
avdg: the other 2 will do the snake check I guess
Wizard-Dude: I thought the silver league would open up today, where's the boss?
jrke: it will open in few hours
Illedan: Usually around 6pm, but might be whenever
IvesL: yea very soon
LaurensD: I heard someone say 'boss', you have summoned me
LaurensD: Very good tactic by standing still, you have defeated me
dbdr: we used to know which ms the league would open, but that has been remove apparently :D
Alurian: https://clist.by/standings/spring-challenge-2022-34341526/
Alurian: thats when
JohnyDaison: Mateuszone the line "spiders_ranked.append(spider)" seems sus
Illedan: They couldn't deliver with MS accuracy dbdr :P
jrke: dbdr this may help https://cg.spdns.eu/wiki/Chat:World/2022-04-21
jrke: :smiley:
jrke: 1650812400000
jrke: here
dbdr: :+1:
dbdr: what's that leaderboard for?
jrke: it says 3pm gmt
thekindboy: hi guys i want to get better with python
thekindboy: whats your advice plz
dbdr: practice
LaurensD: basics tutorials
IvesL: code more?
DollarAkshay: r/ProgrammerHumor
DollarAkshay: :P
Thheo: when does silver open?
avdg: less than an hour
avdg: normally
Thheo: ty
JohnyDaison: Mateuszone or it could the be the extra 2 spaces before print('SPELL WIND 17630 9000')
SashaNukem: How to add numbers above my heroes?
Darleanow: Hello everyone
Darleanow: i need to build a machine learning app
SashaNukem: Hi👋
Darleanow: but i need to find like whats the purpose of it
Darleanow: i have no ideas :/
Uljahn: generate some ideas [solved]
Darleanow: OH
JohnyDaison: SashaNukem just add extra text at the end of commands for your heroes e.g. WAIT TEXT
avdg: Submitting my new ai
avdg: can't wait for the results :P
Kukiss: good luck :)
avdg: I think I might have to fix something already, but it luckily doesn't break the bot
MACKEYTH: My bot feels like a Jenga tower right now. Every time I change or add something, it falls over.
Anonymous_004: |M|power|N| and |N|power|M| my math is damn sucks i can't even solve this :D
JohnyDaison: time for a refactor
struct: league did not open yet?
avdg: 20 min and you know
avdg: hm need to fix few bugs in my code, luckily not on the critical part
WannaBeHum1n: says 16mins on the scoreboard
bolmos-o: Where do you check silver league opening time? I cannot find it anywhere...
avdg: https://clist.by/standings/spring-challenge-2022-34341526/
Marrggta: Does the SHIELD spell prevent from being affected by the WIND spell?
DaNinja: rtfs: The target entity cannot be targeted by spells for the next 12 rounds
Marrggta: yes, but for me it wasn't clear if the wind target entities as we don't specify any id there
ScifiSpirit: it says "All entities" for me in statement for wind
ScifiSpirit: (except your own heroes)
Uljahn: also shield spell does not protect from a spell from this same turn.
ScifiSpirit: also technical details say that spells may be cancelled
ScifiSpirit: does not say if by opponent, but i assume so
vvandenb: How do I name my heroes pls?
struct: cout << "WAIT message you want\n";
struct: so normal commmand followed by the message
aatj: Do the entity trajectory variables vx and vy represent the relative trajectory from the current x,y of the entity, or the ultimate target x,y of the entity?
vvandenb: so you can tell them to wait and do somethin?G
MACKEYTH: aatj relative
vvandenb: thx
pixelxd: yes
aatj: Thanks MACKEYTH
pixelxd: :stuck_out_tongue:
aatj: What is the promotion threshold?
Rikus: vvandenb you just append any text AFTER your command (move/wait/cast) and that will be printed on top of your hero
(remember to add a Space character " " between your command and th text)
MACKEYTH: I've been watching erick.lee's bot trying to figure out what makes it so good.
jacek: is it love?
MACKEYTH: The thing that stands out most is that it's really good at mana hunting.
Epigene: I'm trying "WIND 14000 4000" and erroring out with "Bad command". Do the coords need to be in range of the caster? Even so, I think I am..
aatj: Thanks Rikus - didn't know that either
MACKEYTH: SPELL WIND x y
MrAnderson: @aatj rank ahead of the boss after the evaluation is over
aatj: Thanks MrAnderson
Alurian: 1 minute...
MACKEYTH: spell commands start with SPELL ... Epigene
Miki09: So silver should be now?
Alurian: yes
Alurian: I assume it'll take a minute to be here
einaj: do we need to resubmit to get promoted to silver?
Miki09: ok
Alurian: no i don't think so
avdg: I guess it will be slow to process bot submissions from now
Miki09: yeah
Miki09: rip the servers
Miki09: ITS HERE
Alurian: it's here
avdg: let's see how boss 3 behaves
Alurian: ez win
avdg: hmm I can beat boss 3
Alurian: hell yeah
_NikJ: need a resubmit or no?
aCat: no
avdg: I've submitted my fixes just in time :-)
Miki09: its promoting some guys!
Miki09: I hope ill get in silver
avdg: my ai only uses wind as spell for now
Nerchio: bronze boss isnt agressive
Alurian: newp
Thibauld: ey silver league
Thibauld: Just opened?
Alurian: yes
Alurian: it's processing
Miki09: lol my "play in progress" is still loading :-)
IvesL: bronze bot looks familiar
avdg: already found out which ai?
MrAlexS: @madninjaskillz i know that feeling
Miki09: I cant get match to load so I havent seen the boss yet
Miki09: Network error : status 504
Miki09: rip servers
_NikJ: boss aggressive af :D
MACKEYTH: Yay, flawless victory vs Boss 3. Silver here I come.
Thibauld: omg the update overwrote my code with an old version :/
marata13: guys do you know how long it takes before the game promotes you to the next league?
IvesL: @Thibauld you are right, so as mine
Alurian: not long
madninjaskillz: balls. im in silver.
JohnyDaison: yea, the fact the it refreshes the page without asking is annoying
avdg: it can take a while if servers are overloaded
Waffle3z: watching my bronze rank climb as everyone is promoted
Alurian: but right now it's bumping up silver peeps
Alurian: it's going through list backwards lol
avdg: I guess I will bump to silver soon
avdg: top 500 now (not sure how many left bronze now)
MACKEYTH: Hm. Boss 3 is a defense bot. I'm surprised.
Miki09: I hope I will bump to silver soon
avdg: my ai defends better
struct: So they still promoted like the old way
einaj: i was top 300 but havnt been bumped jet. resubmitted just in case
struct: and have everyone compute the battles again ....
KCrown: I got into silver :P
Alurian: top 40 but still bronze
Audatic: same top 40
Whiskee: same
Miki09: 510 in bronze :-(
avdg: 452 now
Alurian: eyy
Alurian: silver
Miki09: 496 now
Thheo: top 1000 placed in silver hmmm
Fubuchi: Do I need to resubmit to promote?
peerdb: bruh i was 200th, how come I still am in bronze
avdg: nope fubucchi
avdg: it may slow things even down maybe (not 100% sure)
Miki09: peerdb its promoting from backwards
avdg: but resubmitting will at least mean you have to wait all the battles
Miki09: the top 1 player is still in bronze
peerdb: Miki09 okay thanks. why tho
Alurian: it will def slow you down
avdg: and the server is already loaded -> even slower
Alurian: i think it's promoting randomly
struct: 718 computing...
struct: and it will be even more once all get propmoted
jrke: again silver bug!
Waffle3z: what bot was used for the bronze boss, the one in 1000th?
avdg: 718 computing is server load?
jrke: in one contest silver got opened on the first day only due to server errors
Miki09: "Codingame ended 24.4.2022 because all the servers blew up and killed whole france"
Alurian: well this is a massive load
struct: I dont know how many got promoted
struct: but I guess it will be 1.5k computing soon
struct: it will take hours
jrke: i am enjoying it my rank went from 104 to 712 just under 10mins:grimacing:
JohnyDaison: Silver currently shows me 670 members
IvesL: 600-700 promoted
Alurian: 690 members
jrke: IvesL it will be more than that
Alurian: 710
jrke: there is server error ig
avdg: I hope they picked a fast boss
a1.dk: @jrke i have diferent situation from 400 to 79 XD
jrke: :grinning:
IvesL: @jrke i expect top 1500-2000
jrke: expecting same
Alurian: 760
jrke: but atleast i am expecting me to be in silver
jrke: :grinning:
Scarfield: can you see the bronze boss yet, i cant pick it as opponent
Miki09: I can pick him
msumera: when is gold opened?
avdg: there isn't one yet
IvesL: i will just leave it here right now, just to avoid further code loss due to page refresh
avdg: it's probably a dump ai
Miki09: Im still in bronze :-(
avdg: 343 in bronze now
IvesL: it is supposed to be a dumb ai, it's the starting the league after tutorial
Miki09: me 381
Miki09: 372
avdg: hmm a player few positions higher than me promoted now
Alurian: 920
jrke: finally i reached silver
Lexer31: why best players are still in bronze
jrke: after travelling 104 to 927
Waffle3z: why's it called "mad pod racing" now
jrke: Lexer31 server errors
JackMc: caus pods are mad
Scarfield: copyright worries waffles
Bernard_Lowe: Lexer31, I don't know, but it's hilarious. Many of top 50 are still in bronze.
Kukiss: I was ranked ~700 and got promoted very fast. So it really could go backward
Miki09: Illedan and butcher still in bronze
IvesL: nah its random
Scarfield: a lot of other multies and puzzles have had name changes
KCrown: no rule changes in silver it seems?
MACKEYTH: Maybe players closer to the boss's rank are being promoted first?
jrke: 1216 computing damn CG is gonna ...
IvesL: no rules will be changed from bronze
peerdb: why is it promoting backwards wtf
avdg: bronze has all the rules
YiCao: The system seems blocked again? Terriable
KCrown: ah I hate changes
gokubill: hi
JohnyDaison: don't worry, already over 1000 promoted
MACKEYTH: Silver's still growing. Up to 1040 now.
CommanderCero: how am i rank 914 in silver when I was 1600 in bronze
Miki09: lol
jacek: inflation
avdg: rank is probably shuffled and many didn't made it through yet
gokubill: con cặc
madninjaskillz: less people in siver - and being high rank doesnt seem to be what promotes you
Aramang: i think the more people in a league the less accurate the ranks, due to limited games played
Alurian: 1104
Miki09: Now im 295 in bronze
avdg: it's hard to compare bots when they have different strategies to win
Waffle3z: nontransitive
daffie: I agree the scoring system is pretty basic in this
Miki09: Everyone has got like "battles: 4%"
Miki09: Its gonna take ages
avdg: 235th here now
SabertheLost: 106
Thheo: would it be possible to do the battles on user's computers?
jacek: silver :tada:
Miki09: congrats
SabertheLost: is there a good way to know how much time you have spent on each turn?
struct: I was promoted and I was rank 2k?
struct: how many made it through
struct: lol
avdg: me not yet
jacek: i was 1.5k
msumera: got from 30th to 16th in bronze, so itf it's random ~50% is processed :)
SabertheLost: 1364 seems to be in silver
avdg: my queue is now 214
MACKEYTH: What language SabertheLost?
Miki09: Butcher2013 now in silver
LaurensD: boss 3 is pretty weak, though lost because of wild mana
SabertheLost: Java Mackeyth
Miki09: me 2
MACKEYTH: I usually use System.currentTimeMillis()
aatj: Yes, Boss 3 is easier than the test bot.
KCrown: silver numbers are stilling going up. its at 1497 for me ... so probably the first 2000 gets in?
MACKEYTH: Grab a start time immediately after your first input read statement
struct: KCrown I was 1979
struct: so its likely
therealbeef: 2100 ppl will be left in bronze it seems (based on current boss ranking)
Kagey: Are there new mechanics in the silver league ?
Miki09: I was 777 and im still in bronze :-(
struct: no
struct: anyone has a replay of boss 3 playing?
struct: I want to watch him but I cant play against him anymore
Miki09: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623677630
MACKEYTH: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623673496
struct: ty
Ekaon: Someone has settup the challenge in local ?
KCrown: did boss3 do anything differnt?
struct: I have no idea how my bot places higher than boss 3
struct: My bot plays much worse than that
Runner87: new rules for silver?
struct: no
KCrown: silver have the same rules
Kagey: By the way does anyone know why I have this error ? error: cannot find symbol
public List<Hero> heroes = List.of(
Runner87: CONTROL : change direction of monster ?? or no?
Kagey: The arrow is pointing on the dot of List.of(...)
struct: on next turn yes
Miki09: Why boss 3 so bad?
Miki09: He tries to control shielded spiders
aatj: The thing that makes boss 3 so easy is that it isn't standing next to your base casting spells.
Wontonimo: oh cool, i got promoted to silver without doing anything
Wontonimo: but i'm bottom of the bottom
aatj: @MACKEYTH is 3 now in bronze
Wontonimo: no need to use the "@" aatj
aatj: Thanks Wontonimo
Wontonimo: btw, the text is red only because your name is in it
struct: my bot should not have made it to silver
Wontonimo: :grin: glad it did
PatrickMcGinnisII: i made it to silver while i was gone, kewl...noww my bot is jumping +/- 300 ranks in minutes
PatrickMcGinnisII: did it just open?
avdg: a half hour ago
Miki09: And many people still not promoted
Kukiss: maybe all will go to silver :p
1600 already
Lexer31: there is too much people in silver
avdg: now someone a few spots before me got promoted
Miki09: avdg what place r u?
LarsVR: what got changed in silver?
LarsVR: did not get the popup
Miki09: nothing
avdg: 161 now in bronze
Miki09: me 182
LarsVR: ah wut, thought something changed every league
Wontonimo: nope
madninjaskillz: when you got to bronze it said "youve unlocked the full game"
MACKEYTH: Usually all the game mechanics are available in bronze.
Wontonimo: that's is only mad pod racing. everything else has consistent rules from bronze on
LarsVR: aha, mb
MACKEYTH: Mad Pod Racing is a glaring exception
Wontonimo: +1 MACKEYTH "we are thinking the same thing"
Wontonimo: wow, my score is -4.05 !
Ekaon: So.. When the gold league will open ?
Wontonimo: that's bad
HoriMiyamura: Hi Wontonimo, long time no see
HoriMiyamura: You are mod now?
Wontonimo: yeah, i've been upgraded
Wontonimo: Modtonimo
HoriMiyamura: haha
Aramang: Wontonimo(d)
Scarfield: Wonmodimo
Wontonimo: oh, i like that one
HoriMiyamura: I wonder If I can use an AI algorithm for this problem?
Wontonimo: yes you can
HoriMiyamura: too many randomize things
benobab: When do the next leagues open?
Wontonimo: no, that's not a problem
HoriMiyamura: really?
Wontonimo: i don't think it is published here. maybe on discord. go check there
Wontonimo: ^^ benobab
benobab: alright thanks
struct: oh no
Wontonimo: so, consider this HoriMiyamura : let's say you have a small sim thatt only takes into account what is visible
HoriMiyamura: is there a group on discord discuss about algorithms to solve this problem ? Wontonimo
HoriMiyamura: oh
struct: 2k computing
struct: and its back to 100 battles
HoriMiyamura: do you have next Wontonimo
Wontonimo: let's say you've hard coded 4 different if/else bots. use your sim to check which if/else bot does the best over the next 5 turns.
struct: 200k matches incoming rip servers
avdg: 113th
avdg: and getting a fight now
avdg: oh, it's not the bot
Wontonimo: I don't have a sim, or a good if/else bot right now HoriMiyamura. I haven't been serious about this competition
avdg: hmm I'm colored different now
avdg: and back, weird
avdg: got promoted anyway
avdg: yey
HoriMiyamura: I can write a sim myself I think
HoriMiyamura: but why do I need 4 different if else bot?
Wontonimo: no, you don't. it was just an example
HoriMiyamura: ah
iTsluku: when is gold open?
Wontonimo: "imagine" that you had written 3-7 different if/else bots that handle different situations. your sim will help you chose which one is best over the next 5-10 turns
Uljahn: in two days
HoriMiyamura: so you mean we don't care about the random things
Wontonimo: no, we do. but a first implementation that ignores outside the FOG will probably do well
Wontonimo: something that takes into account a probabilistic view of what's in the FOG will probably do better
iTsluku: ty Uljahn
Wontonimo: but i'm just guessing
HoriMiyamura: ummm
Scarfield: the random things are also somewhat limited, only newly spawning monsters, and monsters thrown out of a base area
KCrown: THIS time maybe a sim wont be the way to go?
Wontonimo: looking at replays of the top players, it looks like if/else is still very powerful in this game
MACKEYTH: That's what I'm doing.
KCrown: too many random events THIS time for sim to do well?
HoriMiyamura: yeah
HoriMiyamura: that's why I think we can't have a good bot algorithm
Wontonimo: like how in CSB sim'ing just for drift helped ... i bet limited small sub-sims (if you will) will help
MACKEYTH: There are so many possible moves from each game state, I don't know how you could Monte Carlo it
Wontonimo: just MC, not MCTS.
MACKEYTH: Either
Scarfield: i dont think the random parts weill be an issue, but the search space is huuge. pruning will be the problem
Aramang: there is a lot of math you can apply to efficiently assigning 3 heroes to n targets, I wouldn't be surprised if you could make silver with if/else and no spells
struct: you can use heuristics to generate moves for monte carlo
HoriMiyamura: csb doesn't have too many randomize I think
HoriMiyamura: the rule a fix?
Scarfield: yea thats probably what i will try struct
KCrown: Ive gotten to gold with just if then else bots a few times
struct: The problem for me is not the number of moves
struct: but the rng and fog
PatrickMcGinnisII: i love his replay: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623689797
KCrown: MC doesnt do will with fog and random ... but I hate MC personall :P
iTsluku: i think u need some kind of search pattern to overcome the fog; meaning where to go when the hero would idle --right?
KCrown: I dont think u'll be idle much
iTsluku: depends on idle pos
MACKEYTH: I have my attacker orbit the opp bast at just over 6000 distance so the base can't see it.
WJChua: I have one question guys. How do I set the game with the AI with me on the opposite side?
MACKEYTH: My defenders just stay in place.
KCrown: the first 10 turns maybe then the spiders comes and gets harder
iTsluku: remove players and add them in the different order
iTsluku: just swap, down at the icons
struct: WJChua press delete on ide
struct: you can choose which player you play on ide
struct: https://i.imgur.com/n94qWqp.png
WJChua: Thank you so much!
WJChua: You guys are god sent.
struct: np
WJChua: It took me so long.
KelvinAndHubbles: ouch dropped 700 places on league promote, guessing it's just slow servers trying to do all battles?
CommanderCero: does wild mana count if the monster is in my base but the hero is outside?
KCrown: thsi game is more like soccer/football ... a goalie or an attacker? two defender is the norm I think ...
iTsluku: everyone is on like 5% battles
orangesnowfox: Kelvin I'm like 5% through my submit :p
Mateuszone: the rules of debbuging says that you can append text after any command and that text will appear above your here, can someone show me example in python?
orangesnowfox: yeah
MACKEYTH: Hey, I'm Bronze #1! Kneel before your king, serfs.
struct: print("MOVE 1000 1000 hello")
struct: Mateuszone
orangesnowfox: Mateuszone:
print("WAIT your message here")
iTsluku: print(<action**> <msg>)
Wontonimo: i thought the rule for debugging was "debugging is twice as hard as coding. if you write your code as cleverly as possible, by definition you do not have the skill to debug it"
MACKEYTH: lol
iTsluku: xd
madninjaskillz: 90% of coding is removing bugs, the other 10% is adding new ones.
RandomSteve: xddd
Tryst: lol
Wontonimo: All code has at least 1 bug, and all code can be optimized by at least 1 line. Applied iteratively, all code can be reduced to 1 line that doesn't work
VizGhar: So... greenfield project is just about creating bugs right?
Wontonimo: that's why i love greenfield projects
Wontonimo: it plays to my strengths
madninjaskillz: green fields ARE full of random insect and bugs - where do you think the name GreenField comes from? :P
VizGhar: :D so true
VizGhar: 2000 players in silver already? is this a joke o.O
avdg: is everybody that should be promoted promoted now?
MACKEYTH: Not yet
Wontonimo: wow, i changed 2 innocuous hyper parameters by marginal amounts and I jumped from 1200th to 600th. Still same poopie bot, just different camp spots (by 50 units at that)
VizGhar: wait a few hours avdg :)
avdg: bronze bot isn't stabilized yet I guess
VizGhar: Wontonimo so it will go to hyperparam optim? :)
Wontonimo: hehe
VizGhar: avdg bronze bot is probably only stable thing right now
VizGhar: I can see you writing python script + GA just for testing
VizGhar: I still havent decide how I'll approach this... But since I have no time for this contest, I'll probably just go with heuristic... bottom gold
_NikJ: I just love how my dumb bot from 2 days ago is now in silver 70th place, while my "smart" bot can't win 2 consecutive rounds vs my dumb one
CommanderCero: seems like your dumb strategie is just more effective xD
CommanderCero: not so dumb afterall
_NikJ: it's like a fortress, just farm and defend, that's all it does, yet it's 65th in silver atm
orangesnowfox: Honestly, I've just been kinda waiting for silver to open just because of how difficult it is (for me) to write a bot that wins multiple spots on the RPS
_NikJ: though I expect to drop like 100 places
MACKEYTH: Ah, silver at last. Feels like my ears popping.
aatj: Altitude sickness?
MACKEYTH: No, same sense of relief
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623705186 sim bot coming along nicely
RandomSteve: why is the batman puzzle so hard afdsfs
blasterpoard: might be ready before gold
aatj: blasterpoard: your blues have a nice strategy
ACad: when does gold open? is it already?
LaurensD: only sucks you killed the ones walking in the enemy's base lol
MACKEYTH: RandomSteve hint: you can solve Batman without diagonal leaps and centroids. Horizontal and vertical leaps work just as well
PatrickMcGinnisII: have mercy blasterpoard , you spot and performed a killshot in 6 turns
Wontonimo: share replay please PatrickMcGinnisII
PatrickMcGinnisII: he did... 9 minutes ago
Scarfield: nice blaster, the wind train
PatrickMcGinnisII: 3 killshots... mad crazy
Wontonimo: nice nice
Aramang: when naming a varaiable for an enemy hero, do you guys use "enemy" or "nme"?
Scarfield: op
therealbeef: oppo
orangesnowfox: opponent bc I'm verbose like that
therealbeef: their
Scarfield: myHero
opHero has the same no. of chars, me like
MACKEYTH: o<descriptor>
orangesnowfox: `my` and `their` is pretty good too
aatj: enemy_opponent_who_is_opposed_to_me_*
Scarfield: xD
orangesnowfox: lmaooo
orangesnowfox: no... I'm not *that* verbose, I do have to fit in the submission file limit
Scarfield: could shorten it with first letter of each word: eowiotm.. easy to read as well
Ketroc: Is "Test in Arena" only running 1 game now for everyone else too?
orangesnowfox: nah, my brain sees an owo there and that kind of acronym is *not* going in my code (even if its broken by an `i`) especially if you ignore the words like "is" and "to" in your acronyms like I do, you get EOWOM
jacek: uwu?
Scarfield: much better than opponent xD
LaurensD: arena battle are a bit slow
LaurensD: haha
orangesnowfox: jacek gdi
LaurensD: probably hurts the server adding a new tier
struct: only 2.4k submits
struct: this is fine :)
geppoz: there is a strange behavior in the inputs after a spell CONTROL on moster
Scarfield: CG has fire extinguishers at the ready
orangesnowfox: geppoz wym?
geppoz: it is given again with the previous vx,vy
struct: yeah
struct: https://forum.codingame.com/t/spring-challenge-2022-bugs-questions/195480/54
struct: check this geppoz
struct: I describe it there
struct: I'm waiting for an answer
orangesnowfox: huh, thanks for pointing that out, I'll... Need to work around that
struct: because threatFor gets updated
struct: but vx and vy dont
orangesnowfox: if threatFor didn't get updated I would've noticed that a lot sooner (with the double controlling of mobs)
geppoz: yeah, exactly
struct: I think its what you described
struct: I dont see the logic on giving one updated and other not
HoriMiyamura: so will this be fixed?
struct: no idea
Scarfield: o0 so you have to remember prev pos of a monster, to be sure of their actual vel?
HoriMiyamura: well then ...
struct: dont think so Scarfield
struct: Check what I say on the post is a bit different
aatj: trajectory, rather than velocity, right?
struct: The vx and vy get updated but only 2 turns later
orangesnowfox: Oh, you know what, it might be so that you can't figure out where they're going
orangesnowfox: Like, if the opponent controls a mob
struct: orangesnowfox why does threatfor get updated then?
orangesnowfox: *shrug*, just a guess
Miki09: lol came here 1.5 hours later and still battles in progress: 9%
struct: yeah I know, this is just my counter argument
struct: in case that is their answer
struct: It will only get slower Miki09
Miki09: :-(
jacek: time dilation is no joke
struct: Don't know why they didnt promote like last time
aatj: As Scarfield said, if you want to know the actual trajectory, you can try to store spider x,y across turns
Wadzhamah: when i will be promoreted to the next legue?
orangesnowfox: struct what happened last time?
struct: They just added the top N players to the next league but without submit
struct: you kept the same points you had
orangesnowfox: ah
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623722348 vs current rank 1
orangesnowfox: aatj, you could store the ID and direction of mobs you control
blasterpoard: just in case someone still thinks wild mana is relevant
orangesnowfox: So, current meta is to spawncamp the mobs?
HoriMiyamura: never Wadzhamah
orangesnowfox: and then wham them into bases
Nerchio: It's good but it won't be a winning strat
VizGhar: When will gold league open? :D
Scarfield: isnt that because you cast the spell, the spell aplies next turn, but only after reading the input of vel (that has not yet been updated, since the spell is only being cast this turn)
struct: but why is threatfor updated?
Scarfield: it kinda makes sense, not knowing where the opponent wants to control the monster i guess, untill it moves
struct: if the spell hasnt been cast?
Scarfield: thats the weider part i think
orangesnowfox: legend has it that on struct's grave will be the words "but why is threatfor updated"
struct: lol
Scarfield: but either both should be updated, or none of them
struct: yeah
orangesnowfox: yeah, regardless of reason the lack of consistency is a bug
orangesnowfox: or, feels like one
Scarfield: and they look like bugs
struct: afk
aatj: It's definitely a bug. If it were a feature of the spell, it would be documented.
struct: I think we can all agree its a bug
struct: I dont think it will be fixed though
orangesnowfox: yeah...
LaurensD: lol I think my test in arena is bugged, it's stuck I think at 57%
HoriMiyamura: no it isn't a bug
orangesnowfox: LaurensD no bug, just a tons of submits
HoriMiyamura: it is a feature @LaurentsD
aatj: Hah
LaurensD: ah alright, I thought it would have a empty field at top, with a loading indicator
orangesnowfox: mm, regardless of UI silver just opened, which... uhh, means a lot of games that need to be played
PatrickMcGinnisII: blasterpoard wth, u wind way out of bounds
blasterpoard: PatrickMcGinnisII seems completely ok to me
HoriMiyamura: The default code submit doesn't seem to help me to Wood1
orangesnowfox: WAITing is... not a very good strat no
PatrickMcGinnisII: blasterpoard it literally loaded the shotgun
Wontonimo: HoriMiyamura there is a bunch of starter AI here https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/tree/main/starterAIs
Wontonimo: it's the published starter kit. What lang are you competing in ?
PatrickMcGinnisII: wow, still jumping +/- 200 rank 18% in
HoriMiyamura: my colleague go to wood1 by default code, but I can't do the same. Where is the equality?
Wontonimo: it's equity these days, not equality
Wontonimo: ;)
HoriMiyamura: Thank Wontonimo, I don't notice the starter kit...
sergod: Is there a difference in Silver league? I think it has the same contraints
HoriMiyamura: yeah equity
Wontonimo: using the starter code _and_ adding a sort to the monsters is a pretty good start
orangesnowfox: sergod: better opponents
HoriMiyamura: Thanks
geppoz: question: in "Action order for one turn" it is specified that CONTROL and SHIELD (2-3) are applied before mana generation (5), then WIND is applied (6); this means that WIND can be cast using the mana being generated in same turn ? :D
Wontonimo: then add a wind towards the enemy base if a bug is too close to your base, that'll give you another +200 ranks easy
orangesnowfox: ... geppoz, that's... lemme check, I want to know
Counterbalance: geppoz unfortunately no
HoriMiyamura: starter doesn't sp cpp :(
HoriMiyamura: I would use Java then
Wontonimo: meh, if you like cpp then just copy the ideas. it's simple enough
HoriMiyamura: haha, yeah
Wontonimo: java's garbage collection is a serious issue when all you have is 50ms imho
orangesnowfox: tbh, you can get away with *python* in this game
orangesnowfox: if you aren't simming
Wontonimo: anyone else have opinion on java (who has actually used java here)
Wontonimo: I'm using python atm (no sim)
geppoz: Counterbalance so the mana is consumed in step 1
orangesnowfox: :raised_hand: I had to use Java for a HS class once, that *sucked*
Nerchio: Wontonimo in hard calculation games you can't beat cpp but for everything its fine
orangesnowfox: wrote a neat CLI calculator tho
geppoz: and it run out in order of the 3 use
Nerchio: everything else*
orangesnowfox: ... That I ported from the same one I wrote in C++
HoriMiyamura: so you mean python is better than Java for performance?
HoriMiyamura: on CG platform?
Wontonimo: no, hell no HoriMiyamura
aatj: HoriMiyamura: If you watch MathisHammel's intro video, he basically goes through the python starter with some additions.
PatrickMcGinnisII: Wontonimo , yup the kernel doesn't gaf . but you can gc
orangesnowfox: Yeah, that isn't what I was saying at all
orangesnowfox: ... *all
orangesnowfox: wait, I did say it right :facepalm:
orangesnowfox: But my point is that... If you're just doing heuristics (like myself) you don't really need to be all that fast...
Scarfield: there could easily be python bots in legend this tournament i think
Scarfield: "easily"
orangesnowfox: as easily as any other language
Wontonimo: I was just assuming that wanting to use cpp meant an interest in sim. Both java and python are probably poor choices for that, first java's GC within 50ms and python's slowness
avdg: hmm when I need a weak bot, I don't get any
orangesnowfox: @Wontonimo, it could mean more comfort in C++, like, I use Rust and I don't sim
aatj: I used Python, but I think a language with functional features would be perfect to calculate on a lot of entities at once, avoiding too many loops.
Wontonimo: yeah, i assumed
PatrickMcGinnisII: the array filteering in java is a pain in the ass compared to PY and rust imo. albeit dropping the old for loop and doing it yourself can be faster
antiwonto: [auto] PatrickMcGinnisII be respectful and watch your language
https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
Scarfield: you should add an easter egg bad word to antiwonto, and change it from time to time :p
orangesnowfox: aatj Kotlin is no joke fairly useful for compos if you like Javaesque languages
Wontonimo: *a pain i the bottom/rear
PatrickMcGinnisII: ass
antiwonto: [auto] PatrickMcGinnisII be respectful and watch your language
https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
PatrickMcGinnisII: huh
aatj: Yes, indeed. Thanks orangesnowfox
aatj: Not allowed to talk about donkeys in here.
orangesnowfox: a pain in the back or neck, is my preferred one. 'specially because that's where the pain tends to manifest
Wontonimo: PatrickMcGinnisII , I like you but please don't encourage antiwonto and make it spam.
PatrickMcGinnisII: antiwonto use tinyurls, you are spamming
PatrickMcGinnisII: ^
MACKEYTH: 4% of silver battles done. This is gonna take some time
orangesnowfox: lmao, my bot computes the entire set of actions in 1-4 microseconds
orangesnowfox: Sometimes its randomly 15 tho
Scarfield: im at 27% but yea, ~200k games will have to take some time
_NikJ: Wontonimo, why don't I see you in the leaderboard? Hiding before a fake account before busting out a winning solution?
Scarfield: you can search for a name
_NikJ: I do, but it's not showing me any results
_NikJ: Maybe search died too
Butanium: if my hero has isControlled = 1
Scarfield: i find him when searching, 630 in silver, no idea _NikJ
Butanium: it will ignore my order this turn right ?
PatrickMcGinnisII: i think it's only 40k games and it's 25% done
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/623740171 turn 110 monster 83 stuck?
MACKEYTH: Yes, Butanium
Aramang: i lost a match 748 to 736 wild mana lol
Butanium: thanks MACKEYTH
Scarfield: when a monster is inside a base area you cant push it out, i guess it stops at the border when you are pushing it cegprakash
Scarfield: i havent tested this myself yet though
cegprakash: RIP wind physics
Ketroc: @ceg likely a mechanic of trying to push a monster out of bounds in the base zone.
Scarfield: your wind would have to be along the x-axis to avoid this i bet
MACKEYTH: That's right. Monsters in a base attraction zone are immune to going out of bounds
Scarfield: i assumed it would still move the dx value, but seemingly not
_NikJ: You guys using "cooldowns" on spells?
orangesnowfox: Aramang how did you keep track of that?
Scarfield: its shows in the kill screen
PatrickMcGinnisII: ceg, looks like it clipped to wall because it was on the wall...1 px up and it shoulda worked fine
geppoz: cegprakash monster y is already 8999, your WIND vector has a component y positive = pushed into border
Aramang: orangesnowfox its in the output at the end of the match
orangesnowfox: presumably only when it's tiebroken off of wildmana?
Scarfield: yup
Aramang: yeah if it reaches turn 220
JackMc: Yeah seems the border in base zone is sticky
Scarfield: euler shared a replay where he would draw eith wild mana
PatrickMcGinnisII: push to 17630-15,8999-15 maybe
Butanium: is that intended JackMc ?
JackMc: I don't know, didnt write the harness :)
orangesnowfox: Aramang, the reason I asked is because I checked a game where I won on hearts (opponent took 1 damage) and I didn't see wildmana there lol
orangesnowfox: found it on a different match though
Scarfield: dang it, extra effort to my sim idea :/
jordonez: "Append text after any command and that text will appear above your hero" - how is this? i'm getting bad command :(
orangesnowfox: jordonez: `MOVE 0 0 your comment`
Aramang: did you rememebr to put SPELL before WIND?
jordonez: thanks!
cegprakash: submits stuck at 1 game zz :P
LaurensD: @jordonez yeah, took a while to notice they ment it as after the command in the same line
LaurensD: does make sense though after you know about it =P
LaurensD: @cegprakash haha, mine at 70%
jordonez: hahaha
orangesnowfox: I personally wish they went with the `WAIT; SAY hi` style
_NikJ: For the past 15 minutes I've been banging my head why my code changes aren't improving the play. TURNS OUT, external editor plugin crashed and I kept replaying the same code...
orangesnowfox: but I get that you can only do one action, sooo
LaurensD: @orangesnowfox WAIT; hallo my name -- I would prefer that
LaurensD: with ';' as indicator end of command
cegprakash: _NikJ and in the process u broke the existing code as well :P
Kukiss: _Nikj copy/paste doesn't make such problems :D
Th1nhNg0: hey guy, is there anything new in sliver rank ?
Scarfield: nope Th1nhNg0
Th1nhNg0: thanks
Scarfield: same rules from bronze and upwards
Th1nhNg0: okay
orangesnowfox: Th1nhNg0 "better opponents"
Th1nhNg0: I will take my time to do some reinforcement learning xD
Scarfield: gl
Th1nhNg0: look like butcher2013 is not the bot any more =)))
Scarfield: the leaderboard has not stabalized since silver opened, he is likely still in the top i think
Th1nhNg0: oh
Th1nhNg0: let see :D
AlMualem: so now gold is open ?
HoriMiyamura: nooo
orangesnowfox: AlMualem, nope, silver
AlMualem: lols....and when gold will open?
orangesnowfox: no clue
Wontonimo: probly 2 days from now
orangesnowfox: yeah, at least two days, no more than 4
jrke: is everybody promoted to silver till the cut off or still few remaining?
Scarfield: between 10 seconds and 40 years
Wontonimo: i can't believe I've been coding python for 6 years and just now learn about math.hypot /flip
Scarfield: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Uljahn: i prefer numpy.linalg.norm though
AlMualem: guys at the moment i am about 65%-35% winning the silver boss....i dont see any difference with the bronze boss...am i blind or crazy or either? :P
AlMualem: *didnt make a single change to my code
therealbeef: which silver boss?
barbora: there is no silver boss yet
AlMualem: AI* Default* whatever you prefer
blasterpoard: AlMualem "default" is not the boss, just a random AI you can test agains, and it's the same in all the leagues above wood, bosses are copies of chosen players' bots
Scarfield: Ai default is wood boss
Eacaw: I'm getting this error: Warning: your code did not read all available input, does anyone know any typical causes? (JS)
AlMualem: ok thanks for clearing this up guys
AlMualem: much appreciated
Scarfield: you didnt read all the available input :p
Scarfield: have you changed the input reading loops or something?
JohnyDaison: blasterpoard I don't think bronze AI is the same as silver AI, at least it didn't feel like it
MACKEYTH: Eacaw possibly you outputted more than 3 commands last turn?
Scarfield: that could be the cause as well ^
Eacaw: Aye, that's what I am looking into now, it's entirely possible
avdg: he premoved?
Magicson: Hmmm Boss 2 is trying to cast a spell without mana game ends and I get a lose. Is this a bug or a feature :p ?
avdg: The question is, how did you get lost?
MACKEYTH: I encountered that problem. Issue was an if where an else if should have been
Magicson: I mean, I'm full HP and I get the following...Game Summary:
Bad command
BOSS 2 failed a WIND: Not enough mana
Miki09: share replay pls
Magicson: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623754424
Miki09: Ohhh
Eacaw: Mackeyth, it was indeed that, have reordered my state transition logic and it's all sorted, cheers!
Miki09: you need to write "SPELL" before "WIND"
Magicson: lmao, thanks!
Miki09: np :-)
ex_nihil: What is 'wild mana'? Doesn't seem to be tied to the actual mana pool
Miki09: For every damage you deal outside base you get wild mana
ex_nihil: Ok, thanks.
Miki09: np
Leeward: fml I was almost out of wood 2 on a puzzle, did some refactoring and my ranking went down :facepalm:
HoriMiyamura: wild mana doesn't showed up on UI is this correct?
eulerscheZahl: correct
struct: too much work
MACKEYTH: You could (laboriously) track your own wild mana, but your enemy's is a complete mystery.
HoriMiyamura: I think we don't need to care wild mana though
struct: you need in case of a tie
MACKEYTH: Yeah, just try to get as much as you can.
struct: But you dont know how much enemy has so
HoriMiyamura: so nothing to do with wildmana actually
ex_nihil: It's basically to disincentivize pure Turtling strats.
HoriMiyamura: haha
JohnyDaison: So your ranking will drop every time you send the code into arena. That's because new code always starts at the bottom of the league and has to fight its way back up. And your rank is updated continuously as that happens.
struct: it wont drop if the bot is better
HoriMiyamura: yeah
JohnyDaison: It will temporarily.
Leeward: I meant my final rank after battles dropped
JohnyDaison: oh
Leeward: after effectively changing nothing
LaurensD: The boss is rather stupid in reverse isn't he
LaurensD: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623767767
JohnyDaison: have there been significantly less people in the league when you last submitted?
JohnyDaison: *fewer
avdg: hmm, no full heath stat has been given about monsters right?
Leeward: no just a few more
Wontonimo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/634a1783-deeb-4e06-868f-fb8ccfce376e
Wontonimo: oops
MACKEYTH: No, just current health. You can see max health in the monster's tooltip, fwiw
LaurensD: rank 97 bronze :3
LaurensD: cmon where is my silver entry
iian: Hi! Anyone using some kind of simulation? I hardcoded a strategy, but it seems suboptimal...
avdg: yeah, I saw the full health in the tooltip
jacek: :upside_down:
JohnyDaison: LaurensD have you fought the boss yet?
ycsvenom: i am 1339th in silver :joy:
Westicles: this guy typed up 40 pages on how bowling works for a puzzle
ycsvenom: but nothing is new
Waffle3z: battle progress 30% already
Waffle3z: only took 2 hours
struct: mine is still at 10%
struct: 2478 computing
orangesnowfox: 10%? I'm still at 8 :p
avdg: that is a big queue
Waffle3z: Q
avdg: and I want to resubmit now... I guess I better wait
MACKEYTH: I've resubmitted like 4 times so far without ever getting beyond 30% of battles.
BeGoodAgent: how do you pass the bot intro quest
MACKEYTH: (resubmitting changes, not to hammer the battle calc)
jacek: BeGoodAgent mad pod racing?
BeGoodAgent: yes
struct: Ok, I'm going to try the contest, if I'm needed ping me
avdg: My bot now uses the 3 spells, though the spells that are not winds are used very rarely for now
jacek: there is something about checkpointY checkpointY. you need to change to X Y
BeGoodAgent: I did that
BeGoodAgent: was that all
MACKEYTH: Controlling enemy heroes away from monsters is really useful. My bot does quite a bit of it.
jacek: then click test in arena
jacek: BeGoodAgent be aware there is contest going on and servers are slow today
MACKEYTH: I've found controlling monsters at the enemy base to be less effective, tho
BeGoodAgent: Ahh ok
ataya-codam: what rank is the boss in bronze?
Waffle3z: 1
ataya-codam: nah
ataya-codam: you promote if you get a better rank than him
JohnyDaison: do you mean rank or score?
jacek: thats both
ataya-codam: i mean what rank do you have to end with to advance to silver
DaNinja: 1
ataya-codam: really?
ataya-codam: I can see three people above the boss on the scoreboard
RafaelSan: 0.1
Scarfield: you have to rank above the boss when your submit has finalized
SNick123: You have to win like a number of games to make stabilize there
avdg: hmm gold in less than 45 hours
dbf: avdg where is a timestamp for gold start?
avdg: https://clist.by/standings/spring-challenge-2022-34341526/
avdg: well, I couldn't find a better one yet :D
Ekaon: Someone has a clue about this error : http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/4df4e093-c280-4421-b216-ad74ff63fabd
Ekaon: I achieved to create the .jar of the game using maven, but I'm not able to execute it
jmpeg: Ekaon: I am not a java expert, but I managed it using the instructions in the brutaltester repository. My fork is here https://github.com/johnpage-agixis/SpringChallenge2022
jacek: http://www.quickmeme.com/img/d8/d87627f000e0c7f2263d0db0b60b01ddd535ee1cb8a98b15f55e28aac9f7b528.jpg
Alurian: battles still running slow huh
jacek: or you are running fast :thinking:
Ekaon: @jacek Lol
Ekaon: @jmpeg thank you i'll check this !
VizGhar: Alurian score of 2500 players is being recomputed... you need to wait 5+hours :P
jrke: 2.5k ongoing submissions what else we can expect!
jrke: atleast servers are responsing
jacek: is Automaton2000 responsive?
Automaton2000: depends on how much time do you think is a good summary
Alurian: shouldn't have run my new code in arena then >.<
jmpeg: Ekaon: if you remove the build section from the pom.xml in my repo, then you will get the error you mention.
The build section alone isn't enough, you also need the CommandLineInterface class
Alurian: it looked like it was finished
Alurian: now i'm 1900 instead of 40 ;__;
ganbat24: what is new in silver leagues?
Alurian: nothing
avdg: only the silver leagues and the players that promoted to it
Alurian: just new boss
avdg: and less newbies
avdg: unless someone made a bug
ganbat24: oh
avdg: silver and higher don't have new game rules
JackMc: how do we know higher wont have different rules?
Alurian: Cause it's the same as previous events
JackMc: OK cool, not done any before :)
jrke: exact 2500 submissions!
jrke: https://prnt.sc/LRJFEq_884do
jrke: lets dance! :grimacing:
_Hunty: im now gold, gg
JackMc: ^^ king hunty
Wontonimo: JackMc and Alurian , it's actually because when you enter bronze there is a pop-up message saying that these are the final rules
Wontonimo: you probably dismissed it without reading
Alurian: true
Wontonimo: i almost did
avdg: I guess almost everybody know how annoying popups are... so people stop bothering reading them (and maybe only remember the visuals)
JackMc: ah right, guess I did dismiss that without reading :0
ganbat24: Does control also override the spell?
Wontonimo: it's in the rules on the left. scroll down and read the 'advanced rules' area to see all the edge cases
Wontonimo: it's iin the "Action order for one turn" and the "Technical Details"
Wontonimo: lastly, you can also read the code directly https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022
ClockSort: congrats eulerscheZahl for take 8th place in Google Code Jam Round 1B!! Very well done. https://codingcompetitions.withgoogle.com/codejam/round/000000000087711b
ganbat24: i got 3500 lol
avdg: ow I did missed that one
Wontonimo: better than 6+ billion people who didn't even try ganbat24
Psyho: oh cool, new league
Illedan: Cool indeed, but too many matches playing
Psyho: yeah, just realized that the number of people in silver league is like the number of people in bronze 2 days ago
Illedan: And all in progress
Runner87: any idea how to use the shield ?
MACKEYTH: Protect your defenders from control
Nerchio: run shielded bugs into his base
Runner87: yes maybe is usefull for attack
Runner87: but WIND has no effect on shielded bug? is correct?
Waffle3z: shield opponent heroes so you can wind monsters past them
ganbat24: id is 1 0 2?
MACKEYTH: I tried that but never got it working very well
LostDragon: is there a way to dump all the inputs of a game without coding that myself? i mean, if replays exist, than there should be a way to also dump what the players received and sent, right?
avdg: store all what you read in an array?
avdg: or put the reader in a wrapper
PatrickMcGinnisII: can't trust the referee for threat assessments
LostDragon: kind of counter to the hope of not coding that myself, but that is what i've done for the time being...
H1ggsb0s0n: do you guys know when the gold and legend leagues open? I can't find the schedule...
Alurian: tuesday 5pm gmt +2
and im guessing thursday 5pm
Alurian: https://clist.by/standings/spring-challenge-2022-34341526/
H1ggsb0s0n: ty
Jok55r: hi
madninjaskillz: whats the radius on the fog of war?
msumera: 6000 for the base, 2200 for hero
madninjaskillz: im starting to think my distance calculation is bollocks lol
nightwalkerinthedark: SUIIIIIIIIII
msumera: i just noticed that one of my distance calculation functions has a bug and always returns distance from 1st argument to itself => 0.0
msumera: hope fixing it will not make my bot worse
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jacek: oO
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Wontonimo: hey ebdt3utrk74ki3l. , you have been given a short time ouut for spamming. You are welcome to come back but don't spam
Jok55r: hello guys
StarSkill3r: Hi :D
VizGhar: Wontonimo already have some sim ready? how much time will it take?
Wontonimo: honestly i haven't done any new code for 2 days, and just have an if/else
VizGhar: hmm same here
Wontonimo: if (and thats a big if) I get the motivation, I think I'll invest the time to get brutaltester going locally and optimize hyperparameters of my if/else
VizGhar: :thumbsup: your goal is at least legend?
Wontonimo: possibly make a pseudo-attention network to choose between different strats depending on current state
VizGhar: I'll stick with if/elses too most probably...quite busy week
Wontonimo: yeah, very busy for me. Tomorrow my son returns from uni, then Wednesday i'm flying to a funeral and not returning till Monday
VizGhar: uf...
ZarthaxX: funeral
ZarthaxX: ;(
ZarthaxX: a friend of yours?
Wontonimo: yeah, a really good guy. Known him for 25 years. He died of cancer after struggling for 4 years
ZarthaxX: noooo
ZarthaxX: so sorry wonto
KiwiTae: rip
AlMualem: may he rest in peace mate :/
ZarthaxX: hearing so many stories of people dying of cancer lately
ZarthaxX: what is going on with that type of disease :(
Wontonimo: thank thanks. All's good. It's a wake actually. Actual funeral was 3 months ago.
Wontonimo: ZarthaxX, i think it's more that "in the old days" deaths would be reported as "died of old age" where as now that just isn't a diagnosis
Wontonimo: also, people used to die a lot younger of things like simple infections
Astrobytes: sorry for your loss wonto
Wontonimo: oh, sorry everyone for dumping that here. Really, it's all good.
AlMualem: ZarthaxX apparently nothing...best you can do is to find it in a very early stage...thats why everyone should go for a check up quite often
Astrobytes: not a problem, we're just being respectful
ZarthaxX: Wontonimo yeah you got a point with the old days thing, true
Wontonimo: :grin:
ZarthaxX: AlMualem it's hard to get used to that routine of check up, but yeah
AlMualem: :/
AlMualem: yeah
AlMualem: Guys is anyone here NOT working as a dev?
Astrobytes: especially if your health service is in such a bad state you can't even get an appointment for being ill never mind a checkup...
Astrobytes: AlMualem: me
Wontonimo: A lot of people here are not devs
struct: me
MACKEYTH: Student, here
struct: But i cant code
Wontonimo: lol
Astrobytes: lol shut up :D
AlMualem: Astrobytes this is awful indeed and i leave in one of that type of country :/
AlMualem: struct ....suuuush! :P
Astrobytes: I believe everyone has a right to healthcare
Astrobytes: anyway. lets not dwell on such things
AlMualem: yes yes
Astrobytes: not many people here that aren't devs that aren't studying CS/related subject though
AlMualem: so...how about separating my strat to early and late game? you think that we get better results? I am thinking early strat more farming and late ultra abusing enemy's base
KiwiTae: try it
AlMualem: on it mate
Illedan: Validate everything
Bernard_Lowe: are battles are going slow for everyone else today?
_NikJ: Well, silver came out, so server was kinda under pressure :D
aCat: oh c'mon
Astrobytes: Yes. I think silver is still computing since about 4pm
_NikJ: yup, I'm at like 60% xd
_NikJ: 64% since 4pm today :D
Bernard_Lowe: Oh wow. Thanks. Just glad I'm not alone.
Astrobytes: and people just keep resubmitting, which is completely helpful of course
aCat: I'm in with just a few rules, and not interested in silver rank, but everything works so slow...
aCat: Astro you have some proper search algorithm :>?
Abdi-29: is someone using cpp?
Astrobytes: Hell no, bunch of ifs :D
aCat: Aaaaa
aCat: anyone
Astrobytes: illedan does
aCat: All people are about ifology
aCat: no he does not ;p
aCat: His ifs perform better than sim ^^'
Astrobytes: oh lol really
KiwiTae: im debugging my sim
KiwiTae: currently can't target closest monster :joy:
Abdi-29: if yes, did you use vectore? how did you sorted it?
Astrobytes: I plan to sim a few things but not a full sim/search
Wontonimo: me too
aCat: I rewrote engine, debugged it
KiwiTae: im still debugging :D
aCat: and now I have no idea what to do with it ;]
Astrobytes: :D
Astrobytes: I would use certain parts as required I guess
struct: do something simple aCat
aCat: https://imgur.com/a/FOrQYE4
struct: make an attacker or something
Astrobytes: seems rng and whatnot will get in the way with a lot of prediction
aCat: struct I have simple bunch of ifs to get me to silver :joy_cat:
Illedan: Nice img acat
aCat: you aim at proper algo struct?
Astrobytes: *way of
KReguieg: @Mods SUGGESTION: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a2794e31-6210-4461-9847-1b211b6607b0
struct: my code is 2 or 3 ifs
aCat: My method of writing engine,
Illedan: 97 ifs in my whole code
LaurensD: losing code is a b with working online lol
Illedan: but that is the engine too
Astrobytes: at least I have a version that actually stores everything I read today
Wontonimo: wait till they rollout pay-to-play KReguieg ;)
LaurensD: when working online*
aCat: Download input from the replays, and generate bunh of images
aCat: and compare proper result with my prediction ;p
Illedan: Do you have full replay inputs?
aCat: myInputs
LostDragon: @Abdi-29 std::sort(begin(...), end(...), [&](auto a, auto b){//compare strictly less than})
Illedan: ah, yoiu error print it
aCat: I rewrite them on stderr and got program to parse and make my 'input.txt'
aCat: yep
Abdi-29: ill try it
Abdi-29: thanks lostdragon
avdg: hmm, bad idea to do 6000 * 6000 times distance calculations (wrong maths that caused big numbers)
KReguieg: @Wontonimo I would be fine with watching an ad or two as well. But i wouldn't pay to play at all. ^^
avdg: just basically timed out my bot
jacek: KReguieg by playing dice duel your gpu mines CG coins :v
Wontonimo: i think better would be a folding-at-home solution ... if you want to compete, you provide CPU.
simonmtr: Is there a way to set my base values when playing against the bot? For example that my base is in the bottom and not the top?
Wontonimo: yes, center bottom
Astrobytes: yes, use delete below the player avatars at the bottom and swap em
Wontonimo: click on the delete for both you and bot
Astrobytes: ^
Wontonimo: then click the [+] to add them
Wontonimo: first is top left, second is bottom right
simonmtr: Oooh nice you can also play against other players this way? :upside_down: Thanks!
Alurian: yes
Kukiss: and also you can play your IDE bot agains the one submitted to arena
Wontonimo: ^^ that!
simonmtr: wow thats so nice, I did not know that :)
jacek: and you can play yourself!
jacek: :no_mouth:
Wontonimo: approx 5,000 bots across all levels. That's a pretty good turn out.
struct: Doesnt silver feel to big?
Wontonimo: yes
Wontonimo: bronze is the new wood. wood is the new intro
jacek: meh new league should be at most 10%
IvesL: its always like that isnt it
struct: 57 battles done
struct: only 18%
PatrickMcGinnisII: people are resubbing alot during the full recalc, that's messed up
Wontonimo: maybe the new company that CG is part of want's to inflate placement in leagues
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623863375
Wontonimo: if gold is going to be top 50% of silver then I'm already in
struct: This bot shouldnt have passed to silver
VizGhar: Brutaltester crashing with Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/logging/log4j/util/ReflectionUtil
VizGhar: any idea why? I compiled it using mvn package
Bbrainstormer: When do I get promoted>
struct: it should take a while
struct: the servers are stuck
Bbrainstormer: Alright
VizGhar: Bbrainstormer about 5 hours? :) arena is full
struct: you are optimistic
Bbrainstormer: Just making sure there wasn't a button I needed to click or smth
struct: I would say 10 hours+
Waffle3z: we need more leagues if half of everyone gets promoted every time
Waffle3z: 33 should be enough for now
VizGhar: You still need reevaluate whole previous league
VizGhar: ah... with 33 it should be good :D
IvesL: take reference to the population in line racing
IvesL: spring 2022 gold+legend should have around 1000
VizGhar: after 5 years :)
Mateuszone: how i can print how much mana i have
Mateuszone: ?
_NikJ: mana is given as input
_NikJ: there are 2 mana readings per turn, first one is always your mana
GlaceCoding: base[0].mana
VizGhar: anybody can help me with brutaltester? java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: ReflectionUtil
VizGhar: I've probably build it incorrectly?
avdg: hmm how to create a snippet, I've been playing with github copilot a bit :p
Mateuszone: print(base[0].mana) doesnt workj
Darleanow: hello every1
_NikJ: I just told you, Mateuszone, every turn, there will be 2 inputs regarding mana and hp, the first one is always yours
Mateuszone: but i dont know ho wto print it out
Mateuszone: im new to coding and i dim not sure if i understand it correctly
Mateuszone: that input think
Mateuszone: thing
_NikJ: paste the code here, I'll explain it
Ketroc: which they upped the game length. With spiders always rising in health, an extra 20ish frames would likely remove 90ish% of the draws.
madninjaskillz: VS2022 just auto suggested my new list should be called "EnemiesByRace" - should i be worried that my IDE is recommending ethnic cleansing?
Mateuszone: i just need some examples of debbuging prints
jacek: python?
Mateuszone: to see whats going on inside because at the moment i dont know how to do that
Mateuszone: in python
jacek: print("xxx", file=sys.stderr, flush=True)
Glyptod0n: try the python starter kit
Glyptod0n: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/main/starterAIs/starter.py
Mateuszone: print("my_mana", file=sys.stderr, flush=True)
Mateuszone: it doesnt print the value
jacek: my_mana without "
Mateuszone: okey now i see
Mateuszone: so i can print like that every varaible yes?
Rikus: I have made two calculations, one one I was at 2% battles and another right now at 15%
In both it gave me that it will take 24hs O_o
Unless they decide to add moar servers
Mateuszone: we can imort every standard python library?
Wontonimo: I'm also trying to get the local brutaltest going and getting this
Wontonimo: java -jar -Dleague.level=3 ./spring2022.jar -p1 "python bronze195.py" -p2 "python bronze239.py" -d seed=122205825 -s
no main manifest attribute, in ./spring2022.jar
Mateuszone: do you guys create classes?
Wontonimo: any ideas why "no main manifest" ?
Mateuszone: or everyone is doing it in functional way?
Wontonimo: meh, classes-ish
Wontonimo: certainly not industry coding. just hacking
SashaNukem: I am using CPP with classes and vectors
Mateuszone: how many lines you got?
Mateuszone: i have 137 xd
SashaNukem: ~415
SashaNukem: XD
SashaNukem: the classes take up ~ 200
Wontonimo: got it, i used https://github.com/johnpage-agixis/SpringChallenge2022 instead of the "official"
avdg: 1517 lines now, just added the last biggest chunk of new code
_NikJ: Ugh, my brilliant mind took into account target hp when choosing who to kill first. But in such a way that I always leave low hp monsters alone and they end up in the base :D
avdg: will switch to fine tuning, not sure how much code that can add
Mateuszone: do you use some special math coordnate functions?
avdg: for? I added some coordinates system that I don't use just now
_NikJ: What was the name of that chrome plugin which would automatically run tests for you?
avdg: pupeteer?
avdg: dunno
SashaNukem: does pastebin work in this chat
Mateuszone: i wanted to make one hero offensive and then created a ranges of coordinates on which he will walk
Mateuszone: but python seems to slow to use randint every time
Mateuszone: to choose random mvoe
Mateuszone: move
_NikJ: CG Spunk, there we go
struct: Does it even work anymore?
avdg: hmm my new chunk of code added 1 ms to my bot's execution time (which is at least double the run time of a round which gets added on top)
Mateuszone: and another weird thing is that i have checker if mana >10 before i use any spell and even with that i got an error out of mana
Mateuszone: and then i lose
Mateuszone: why is that?
struct: SashaNukem if what you are pasting has over 5 \n it should make a pastebin
Mateuszone: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ce90f1ae-0317-480d-a379-e5654239e12a
struct: my_mana -= 10
struct: when you print a spell
struct: because currently you can have only 11 mana but you are going to try to use 2 spells
Mateuszone: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/b253a08c-b4e9-4b49-bcb0-7ad95d3dd604
Mateuszone: i have it now
Mateuszone: and i got the same error failed a wind not enough mana
struct: you dont check for mana here
KReguieg: phase of denial. :D
struct: if len(spiders_ranked) > i: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/5f2b3401-a118-44ab-9f6a-40388626606f
Mateuszone: why not here?
struct: in one of those ifs
Mateuszone: before casting a spell should be good
struct: you need to check for mana
struct: if spiders_ranked[i-1][1]['x'] < 800 and spiders_ranked[i-1][1]['y'] < 600:
print('SPELL WIND',opponent_base_x,opponent_base_y)
Mateuszone: if my_mana > 10:
print('SPELL WIND',opponent_base_x,opponent_base_y)
my_mana -= 10
struct: this if doesnt check for mana
Mateuszone: my_mana
struct: The if
struct: Needs to check your mana
MichExpatMatt: Just came home from a night out to find I got promoted to silver, yet my leaderboard score dropped by almost 15 pits:thinking:
Mateuszone: if my_mana > 10
Mateuszone: it is doing that
Mateuszone: it is checking my mana
struct: Well I dont see it
struct: check line 124
Mateuszone: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/8d2178f6-86da-49ee-9e90-99707c17364e
Mateuszone: ph
Mateuszone: you are right
Mateuszone: there is one checker missing
jacek: :upside_down:
Kukiss: MichExpatMatt
The Silver launched 5-6 hours ago but the battles are still being processed. I am 54% battles in progress after me Submitting to arena around the silver launch.
That said, the statistics shown are not super reliable yet
Mateuszone: but this my_mana -= 10 might be unnecesarry
Mateuszone: because a game is taking care of that
IvesL: no it is for your next hero
MichExpatMatt: Okay, that was going to be my next question, I'm only at 59% battle progress, and I rebooted just wondering if clearing my browser cache wasn't enough
IvesL: if you have got only 10mana left, and you used a spell on hero 0, your hero 1 wont have enough mana but your current my_mana doesnt reflect until next turn
jacek: servers are slow. youll better go back tomorrow
Tuo: i dont have mana-=10 either and it never crashes, but maybe hero will skip a turn?
MichExpatMatt: yeah, I was just thinking "guess I'll go play civ instead" or maybe some code clashes or something
Abdi-29: is this the correct way to calculate distance? int distance = sqrt(pow(base_x - (*it).vx, 2)) + pow(base_y + (*it).vy, 2);
MichExpatMatt: not much point tweaking my algo repeatedly until I see how things end up
Rikus: sqrt(pow(base_x - (*it).vx, 2) + pow(base_y - (*it).vy, 2));
Rikus: sqrt if for the sum of both differences, and you were adding instead of sub on the Y part
MichExpatMatt: Abdi-29 unless you care about postive/negative vector direction, you may want to square the absolute value of the difference before before adding and taking the sqrt. At least I've been doing that to always get a raw distance value regardless of which side of the map I'm on
Abdi-29: ah i see. i didn't see that. thanks
Abdi-29: Ill take a look of that. thanks
LaurensD: waw refactoring the bot pretty much whole and it does not have any smart functionality yet or whatever lol I don't know how I could win this lmao
LaurensD: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623890855
Mateuszone: can i run it in my ide?
Mateuszone: like pycharm?
IvesL: you need a chrome add on
VociNur: Yes, in a game, on the left in Settings
Kukiss: Laurens. first thing I see, you could try to run to monster with a unit who the closest, to do not loose time.
Turn ~11, you took the furtherst one ;)
Kukiss: the left a space if 'defense'
MichExpatMatt: @LaurensD wow. Looks like the default bots ran into a fog of war issue to run out across the map and let monsters overrun their base
Kukiss: the left a space in 'defense'
PatrickMcGinnisII: use distance constants, square them. example BASE_RADIUS=5000; Instead use 25000000... and don't even use a sqrt in your code. And a pow(-1,2) should still be 1...no abs required
jacek: no exercising no abs
MichExpatMatt: Is there a precision/optimization difference between sqrt vs using pow?
avdg: LaurensD I can't find your bot :/ But I guess my ai would crush you
PatrickMcGinnisII: numbers less than 9223372036854775807 shouldn't be a problem
MichExpatMatt: ohhhh gotcha
avdg: hmm surprisingly, 2nd position bot doesn't hurt me too much
avdg: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/c5336068-7b21-44a7-9574-16cafc29aca5
avdg: (and yeah, I managed to shave off that ms again, scraped a lot of ifs in hot loops)
LaurensD: Know it's a bit early but when is gold league starting (estimate)?
avdg: less than 2 days
avdg: https://clist.by/standings/spring-challenge-2022-34341526/
LaurensD: Thanks!
Mateuszone: ive installed extension for chrome and i still cant click on at externalsourceeditor
Mateuszone: external_source_editor option
avdg: did you downloaded the local java plugin?
avdg: at least, if you use cg local
Mateuszone: the one from chrome store
avdg: yeah, but you also need a jar file from github
Mateuszone: where i can read some manual about that?
avdg: because google disallowed plugins to have file system access
avdg: https://github.com/jmerle/cg-local-app I guess
Mateuszone: thanks
thekindboy: hey guys what are the best websites you use to practice coding plz i am new
Mateuszone: so basically this game got some reserved names and if u give them input then game engine will provide a values for them?
LaurensD: You are the controller that operates the actions of the heroes, it's pretty much that. Reading the console must be done in a specific order and you are expected to give a response also in a specific order (normal work flow)
Mateuszone: so i cant change anything from mathis hammel video?
Mateuszone: like for and while loops?
LaurensD: while must be there because it must continue to give responses
LaurensD: but other than that you can modify everything expect the order/requirements of the response
Mateuszone: what u mean by order/requirements of the response?
LaurensD: reading data from console, that must be in order
Mateuszone: so basically all variables which are fro input function?
LaurensD: there is also a 'for' loop through your hero's and that must also send one action for each hero
Mateuszone: this one for i in range(heroes_per_player):?
Mamounedj: HELLO
LaurensD: Yes
MrMoustach: is there an arena problem ?
LaurensD: Go through those input() those must be in order
LaurensD: and there must also be 3 times 'print("action")'
Uemu: Hi, was there no addition in silver league ?
struct: hi, no
LaurensD: @MrMoustach, Nope it's just slow because there came a new rank
Uemu: Thanks
MrMoustach: oh thank you
Mateuszone: so is it a good idea to create classes with methods for heroes and spiders?
LaurensD: it's your party, if you seem it fits your design sure why not.
Mateuszone: but python is not to slow to do that in class way?
Uljahn: python is mostly ok, just don't do deepcopy
LaurensD: No experience with python, so can't give a response on that. But could be fine ~
LaurensD: overcomplicating stuff also with c# at this point :/
LaurensD: *yolo*
Mateuszone: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/5b46524f-10a4-4d42-b574-64f491f76720
KiwiTae: Mateuszone bad idea to post bot code during contest
Mateuszone: why in print with spiders_ranked it print to console only one (thread,spider) pair
KiwiTae: :joy:
Mateuszone: its a shitty code xd
Mateuszone: im a noob xd
avdg: do we have spiders in this game? I thought we only had monsters
Mateuszone: you are right but this shouldnt be the case that is just a name
LaurensD: We got entities*
Mateuszone: for i in range(entity_count): http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/cef18ab9-98bb-4827-96f5-331a5010a5ca
Mateuszone: and i append these entities to a different lists
Mateuszone: but when i do print(spiders_ranked, file=sys.stderr, flush=True) i got only 1 record in a list
LaurensD: ah, perhaps because there are no spider in range at that time
LaurensD: you can only see spiders that is within your see range (not inside those smoke)
LaurensD: or you see that by default this way; perhaps you can try a count for this; not sure how it works with python though
LaurensD: ```print(len(spiders_ranked), file=sys.stderr, flush=True)``` I guess
ashiknur: can I see those spider attacking opponents base when my hero's are not in see range?
PatrickMcGinnisII: nope
LaurensD: nope
MSmits: but you can abuse the symmetry
avdg: the symmetry can indeed reveal a lot
LaurensD: only around hero (the clear part)
Astrobytes: wild MSmits appears :tada:
avdg: hehe, I thought he wouldn't show up
MSmits: hehe yeah, i only now started coding for real. well semi-real. I did what is in the video and improved a bit.
Astrobytes: video?
darkhorse64: 2625 submits rn, contest will end before we get a chance to submit again
Astrobytes: Oh the starter intro thingy
MSmits: yeah the introduction thingy, 20 mins
avdg: my ai can already track things
Astrobytes: didn't watch it
PatrickMcGinnisII: lol Astrobytes, like wild mana
avdg: now it's a matter to use it's info to the max potential
MSmits: it's ok, first 10 mins you can skip, second 5 mins or so tells you some logic to use. Pretty basic.
LaurensD: mateuszone, congrats your bot can beat the default ai of silver: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623922463 :laughing::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Astrobytes: only today did I make a bot that kept more than a few variables as input
MSmits: isn't the default AI always the same?
LaurensD: idk, there were multiple and some where good
LaurensD: it changed since I got promoted to silver
ZarthaxX: SMITO
MSmits: hi ZarthaxX
avdg: if there is no ai assigned yet, the default will take it spot
ZarthaxX: howdy
Astrobytes: I think default AI defaults to previous league boss past the wood leagues
MSmits: ohh ok
MSmits: yeah then it's different
Astrobytes: zartho
ZarthaxX: astrobyto
ZarthaxX: :*
darkhorse64: It used to have a nice funny name also
Astrobytes: :hugging:
MSmits: I'll be in bronze when the submit is done at least... but....
ZarthaxX: submits have been going for hours by now lol
Astrobytes: The contests used to have names too darkhorse64 :(
Astrobytes: Am I still computing since 4pm or whatever it was?
Astrobytes: fking hell 82%
ZarthaxX: :D
PatrickMcGinnisII: like 5.5 hrs now
avdg: how to see how big the compute queue is?
ZarthaxX: final days gonna be hell
MSmits: I just got a message saying a cat is following me.
Illedan: 3 and 4 have crashed their progress too
darkhorse64: The current boss does not look smarter than the bronze boss. Yes, you are, 6+ hours submit for me
darkhorse64: avdg: score -> in progress
Astrobytes: so much of this is a complete joke, I'm just here for the atmosphere now tbh :D
MSmits: what is a joke besides the submit times?
Zandy156: my wood II submit from 3 days ago is at 22% progress in silver
Waffle3z: 28 have finished
Astrobytes: MSmits: you haven't been following chat I see
HenroLST: ,agic
MSmits: no, i have not been very active the start of this contest
darkhorse64: What puzzles me if the number of submits keep on increasing
MSmits: been doing some vacation chores and relaxing
MSmits: finished season 15 of supernatural finally :)
Astrobytes: darkhorse64: people just keep resubmitting
Astrobytes: + new users
Illedan: :angel:
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: the battles in the IDE are probably painful for the server as well
MSmits: and they get precedence
Illedan: Yeah, they are prioritized
Astrobytes: yeah but you don't get many nowadays
darkhorse64: resubmitting is useless without a basis to compare
Astrobytes: MSmits: did you watch Picard yet? 2nd series playing now. And did you check out BCS?
MSmits: BCS?
Astrobytes: Better Call Saul
avdg: if there was an inbrowser variant of the runner (meh, executables then have to be exported through wasm)
MSmits: I didnt watch the whole of picard 2 yet, it came 1 episode at a time
avdg: ofc, only works with code that doesn't need to be hidden
Astrobytes: Yeah I've not bothered with either, I will watch when they are complete
MSmits: if BCS has a new recently added season, i still have to watch it
Astrobytes: It oes
Astrobytes: *does
MSmits: oh cool
Astrobytes: only recently started I believe, this is the last one ofc
MSmits: oh ok
Astrobytes: (afaik)
Astrobytes: WHAT ABOUT KIM is all we want to knopw
MSmits: I am still hyped about the ending of supernatural. Man that show ran for 15 years. I only just graduated when it started
Astrobytes: Never got into that. Thanks for getting me into BCS though
MSmits: it's not bad, it has a road trip vibe, lots of humor and monster hunting
MSmits: target audience is guys around 20-30 i think
Astrobytes: I liked Grimm for humour and monster hunting, that was legit hilarious
Astrobytes: Proper b-movie-material series
MSmits: yeah Grimm is not that far from this, but the main character in Grimm is more of a family person. supernatural is about two brothers going cross country in an impala killing monsters. slightly different vibe
Astrobytes: maybe I'll give it another shot at some point
MSmits: But yeah BCS is cool. You just have to get over the fact that it's not breaking bad. It's its own show and good for other reasons
kelium: hello, people :) :grin:
MSmits: and in some parts of it, good for the same reasons
Astrobytes: It's slower paced and character-focused in a way BB isn't. I think it might even be better in some ways than BB. Hard to compare.
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: hi kelium
Astrobytes: Like El Camino, totally blew the end of BB out the water for me
Astrobytes: Far more interesting for a start
Astrobytes: Poor Jesse
PatrickMcGinnisII: vampire diaries into the Originals is better
PatrickMcGinnisII: then Legacies had potential
apple124: e
PatrickMcGinnisII: BB is like Ozark
PatrickMcGinnisII: er other way around
Astrobytes: Wut. Only vampire things that are decent (imo) are the Anne Rice movie ones plus anything involving Salem's Lot
Astrobytes: Other way around PatrickMcGinnisII
PatrickMcGinnisII: queen of the damned suck imo
Astrobytes: didn't really follow ozark much though tbh, any good?
MSmits: i didnt either
Astrobytes: PatrickMcGinnisII: yeah, so did the book, nothing to worry about there
pwahs: are the full rules for bronze available somewhere? I'm Rank 7 in Wood 1, but I guess it will take a few more hours until I can get promoted
PatrickMcGinnisII: There's a bunch of non-english series on netflix that kick butt, but it's hard to read them all the time
PatrickMcGinnisII: ozark after first couple of episodes starts to get good
MSmits: In a way I like that netflix got me trying so much stuff that I can now quickly tell the difference between Chinese, Japanese and South Korean content.
MSmits: a lot of it is SK btw, for some reason. Could be the algorithm thinking I like that
PatrickMcGinnisII: Amazon prime throws so many 1 star B movies in the mix, it's so frustrating
MSmits: netflix does too
PatrickMcGinnisII: they keep increasing prices, and are delaying series seasons on purpose...jerks
PatrickMcGinnisII: I like watching DUST on YT while on CG
Astrobytes: I er... try before buying so I don't waste money
PatrickMcGinnisII: that's why i need a new GF
Astrobytes: she doesn't like piracy?
PatrickMcGinnisII: I try and won't buy, lol
Astrobytes: shocking Patrick, just shocking :P
PatrickMcGinnisII: Last one I wed... well, she grew fangs
Astrobytes: Garlic, heard that works well
Astrobytes: Dude, you live in FL ffs, move :D
MSmits: oh, yeah in FL things have fangs
MSmits: I heard everyone has a pet alligator
MSmits: or something
PatrickMcGinnisII: pet mosquitos the size of cats, lol
Astrobytes: viruses don't exist, wrestling gators is a pastime and women have fangs. Correct.
MSmits: really small cats too... amazing
Astrobytes: "cats are small - but not as small as spiders" - My Mother
PatrickMcGinnisII: my ide code beats people in top 100, but i dare not submit
Astrobytes: wait for everything to stabilise, if it ever does
MSmits: has it ever been this bad, this far into the contest? I remember this on the first day or so
PatrickMcGinnisII: I've gotten stuck in silver b4 because i didn't, but i don't care anymore. going shopping. glhf.
MSmits: oh yeah and i guess on the last 1-2 days with massive submits
Astrobytes: for me, it's been heinous until they reduced the number of matches played in bronze
MSmits: hf PatrickMcGinnisII
PatrickMcGinnisII: some players are waiting to submit their legend bots, i can tell
MSmits: well i am with 740 people in wood1 and ranked 1 above boss at 51
Astrobytes: enjoy shopping PatrickMcGinnisII, remember to get a new GF when out shopping with the GF :D
struct: MSmits the problem is that they used the old way of promotion
struct: Where everyone that got promtoed resubmits
Astrobytes: yeah
MSmits: oh yeah that's not good
struct: instead of just making everyone next league and keep same elo
Astrobytes: they didn't just transfer like the last few times
MSmits: oh right, it's this bad because silver just opened?
struct: When the people that got promoted is aroudn 2k
struct: and the games you play are 100 again
struct: its too much
Astrobytes: 2246 in silver rn
MSmits: holy
MSmits: crazy
struct: I was promoted maybe 1 hour after silver opening
struct: my submit is at 23 %
Astrobytes: I think 100% are still computing
PatrickMcGinnisII: too many games going to 220 ... 153 matches at 89% now
PatrickMcGinnisII: ok, shop, c ya
Astrobytes: struct: yeah, I'm at 87%, not sure how long after opening it happened but that was a Long Time Ago
struct: 2,556 results found for «Score - Computing»
Astrobytes: 100% of silver I mean
Astrobytes: so yeah
struct: how can yours be at 87
struct: and mine at 23
struct: lol
Astrobytes: did I promote before you?
struct: probably
Zandy156: it looks like 120 in silver are stable
Astrobytes: even the promotion was strange, I attempted to go off and do codejam 1B but couldn't concentrate
Astrobytes: I suck at limited time contests, felt like an exam I never studied for lol
Astrobytes: (short time)
PythonPlusPlus: When does the Gold League start?
Astrobytes: christ silver just opened and already gold questions!
Astrobytes: probably about 2 days or so
Lysk: when computing is done then ;)
PythonPlusPlus: I'm itchin' to make it to the highest league. I was hoping that I could do it over the weekend, but that apparently wasn't possible
avdg: submission is faster now, got 10 from the start
Astrobytes: Lysk: :D
struct: avdg you always get 10
struct: and those 10 are prioritized I think
avdg: ah
avdg: but at least, they come through
PythonPlusPlus: I didn't get 10 when I submitted
Astrobytes: PythonPlusPlus: no but if you strive to be at the top now, chances are you will be promoted
Astrobytes: if good enough to stay up there
PythonPlusPlus: I'm thinking of rewriting my bots. My current strategy got me as far as 600th place, but it is really weak to shield campers
avdg: currently I have to move some code to libraries, so I have less code to move around, but a lot of code is already quite ordered well already
Astrobytes: i would recommend to do it asap while you can still get some games against top part of the league
Wontonimo: oh, that's good advice !
Wontonimo: haha, I left for a few hours and my bot which I submitted about 5 hours ago is still computing, only 89% done
HenroLST: geez
avdg: luckily computers aren't doing everything in our world of today :-)
Astrobytes: same wontonimo, 89% and I hadn't submitted for a few hours
Wontonimo: oh! Another battle for me started !
Astrobytes: avdg: :grin:
geppoz: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623902548
Astrobytes: nice to see you around again btw avdg
geppoz: someone can explain the direction of the spider 83 in round 120 ?
avdg: I probably have to go around now, tomorrow work
geppoz: it was CONTROLLED toward enemy base, the WINDED a couple of times, then changed completely direction in SW ?
avdg: but yeah, I'm having a good start despite being busy with work
Astrobytes: all good, any spare moments and you know where to come :D
PythonPlusPlus: Any tips for dealing with shield campers? Currently my strategy is to stop them from crossing the half way divider, but that heavily drains mana. I'm thinking of maybe routing spiders around the enemy heroes
madninjaskillz: rerun code: no red in the timeline...is this it, can i finally beat Pierre31? no. theres no red on timeline because my code is bugged and i failed instantly. embrace depression.
HenroLST: rip
Wontonimo: play the camper you don't like against someone higher and look at how they deal with it PythonPlusPlus
PythonPlusPlus: Good idea
avdg: I love how my ai defends
https://www.codingame.com/replay/623960595
Wontonimo: glad you like it
HenroLST: burh why my code hate me:cry:
Wontonimo: that is a pretty good defence avdg
Astrobytes: because you do not love yourself HenroLST, therefore all your code will be against you :rofl:
avdg: oh rip that
HenroLST: i feel like that's deep but at the same time
HenroLST: ...
Astrobytes: it's a deep p*ss take yeah
HenroLST: not me struggling in wood 2 :grinning:
Astrobytes: focus, you'll get there
HenroLST: i had it working, then i changed to target the closest monster when none are targeting my base, and now it just randomly stops outputting MOVEs
Astrobytes: review your code, you've made an error somewhere. Screen-break, look at it again
HenroLST: hmm, ill take a break and do my physics like i was originally planning to do :grimacing:
Astrobytes: that's a very good idea
avdg: I find it easier to work with versioning (backups, or using a version control system like git, or an editor that keeps track of history)
geppoz: well, there is a unsaid rule that a spider WINDED out the base are, picks a random new direction?
geppoz: *area
Astrobytes: geppoz:
If a monster is pushed (with a WIND command) outside the radius of a targeted base, it will stop targeting and start moving in a randomly selected direction.
geppoz: oops it is not "unsaid" then :D
Astrobytes: geppoz: R T F S :D
Wontonimo: read the forbidden statement ;)
Wontonimo: *forgotten *fiendish
Astrobytes: at least not frobnicating
Astrobytes: we have had those in the past
Astrobytes: or frobnicated, delete according to your preference
HenroLST: any idea why this might appear: Warning: your code did not read all available input before printing an instruction, your outputs will not be synchronized with the game's turns and unexpected behaviour may occur.
geppoz: you wrote more than 3 row in one turn
Jason_Down: Late to the party and had a couple hours this afternoon. I figured I could try to get up to bronze at least as a first go. It's been nearly 2 hours since I submitted my first attempt at Wood 2 and it's only 76% through the battles ugh :disappointed: There's 58 of us ahead of the boss, just let us through please :sob:
struct: you are either outputing before reading all inputs
struct: or you are outputing more than 3 times per turn
HenroLST: ah, ok, thanks!
struct: It doesnt tell you if you output 4 times
struct: but the output will be queued into next turn
struct: which will make it go out of sync
Astrobytes: Jason_Down: the silver league opened and it's caused a huge backlog since there are wayyyy too many battles computing at the same time
Jason_Down: Yeah I figured it was bad timing on my part
Jason_Down: Should've started yesterday
HenroLST: yay solved it, thanks struct!
Waffle3z: up to 83% after 7 hours
Jason_Down: damn
Astrobytes: and no chance of any action by staff since it's Sunday (or Monday in France and some other places)
Jason_Down: Need some autoscaling on the servers :)
Astrobytes: 96%!!!! :tada:
Jason_Down: noice
Astrobytes: 4:19PM
Waffle3z: or just switch everyone above a certain rank to the next league and don't recalculate over 2000 bots at the same time for the rest of the day
Jason_Down: I just jumped to 80%. Maybe I'll have a chance to get to Bronze before I need to call it a day.
HenroLST: dang this opponent just sent 2 of his hero's to camp my base.
Astrobytes: Waffle3z: I don't know why they regressed to this way of doing it since the last few contests they just literally moved everyone into the next league
Jason_Down: I guess I'll check back in an hour. Good luck everyone.
Kukiss: I wonder, would it be better for server if Silver was smaller?
Or both leagues (silver and Bronze) were triggered to play all battles anyway?
Astrobytes: and to you Jason_Down
Astrobytes: Kukiss: see my previous comment
Wontonimo: would have been better if the referee was *faster* AND only 20 battles when the promotion first happened. No real need for accurate placement on initial drop
Astrobytes: They started to simply transfer the 'quota' as it were into the next league, and now for whatever reason are no longer doing this
Astrobytes: Perhaps it was an unnecessary expense
Wontonimo: really, is 160 battles necessary at this point?
Wontonimo: i don't think so
Astrobytes: it just seems careless tbh, the past 2 contests (3?) used the simple transfer to next league way
icecream17: Let's go I finished variable initialization! First submission! Rust is hard
Kukiss: I see, these decisions are indeed interesting
Astrobytes: icecream17: Rust is not hard, you are Rust-resistant. Let yourself rust
madninjaskillz: i just got beaten by someone who used the tags above heros to scroll the lyrics to rickroll. talk about rubbing salt into the wound.
icecream17: yeah I'm a beginner
Wontonimo: galvanized
HenroLST: geez
icecream17: ooh that's awesome. I think I'll do that too
Astrobytes: icecream17: I know, hence my advice!
icecream17: nice pun
Astrobytes: It's a very different way of working
Astrobytes: lol wonto
Wontonimo: after you get comfortable with rust, move onto NNs
Wontonimo: just so you never get comfortable with one way of doing things
icecream17: I suspect my code isn't that rusty
c0r3dump: @icecream17 Fighting against the Rust borrow checker is super hard at first but after a while it's the best thing there is.
Astrobytes: NNs ofc being Nickel Nanomeshes
geppoz: anyway I think there is an error in the statement ;)
geppoz: in the step description it seems the CONTROL direction is calculated as first, before the spider moves
Wontonimo: because I hate myself, I'm resubmitting my bot with only a minor change
geppoz: instead it seems to me that is calculated after the spider moves (step 7)
Astrobytes: control is applied on the next turn
Astrobytes: well, is applied but effective on the next turn
geppoz: yes, it is effective next turn
geppoz: but the direction is calculated after the spider move, not before
Astrobytes: in the referee
Astrobytes: ?
geppoz: I'm not looking at the referee, just noticing in games
geppoz: yes, I should check that
Astrobytes: well, don't trust the viewer from turn to turn lol
Astrobytes: look at the statement, inputs/outputs and ref
geppoz: I dump the coordinates on stderr
Astrobytes: yeah, they don't match up with viewer frames usuallly
Astrobytes: well, not as nicely as they should rather
Astrobytes: but defo check the ref
Zhme: anyone using C++?
Astrobytes: nah, we're using python and pretending
Zhme: good stuff
Astrobytes: if you have a question just ask it
Astrobytes: people will try to help
Zhme: just wondering if anyone had a suggestion for a type to hold entity data
Zhme: never done this before
Astrobytes: a struct would be fine
icecream17: it seems like there's a limit of 98 monsters, is there?
Astrobytes: during these contests you don't need to get too hardcore with the 'proper way to do things' so making everything public isn't much of an issue unless you plan to send your code to someone else for review lol
Astrobytes: @Zhme
Zhme: thank you!
Astrobytes: You could have a vec2d struct, then inherit from that, or just use it in your entity struct
Astrobytes: etc etc
Astrobytes: use whatever is comfortable and works
Tuo: vec2d class with overloads and you wont know where vector math ends and begins :D so much fun
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: templates!
Runner87: monster shielded moves with WIND?
geppoz: no
Astrobytes: shield prevents effects of spells on the shielded unit
ashiknur: testing in arena taking too much time.
ashiknur: is the default AI of bronze and silver league is the same?
Astrobytes: ashiknur: it will presumably get faster at some point during Monday
ashiknur: is the default AI of bronze and silver leagues the same?
Astrobytes: Opening of silver league was somewhat stressful on the servers
Astrobytes: I think the default AI of silver is the bronze boss
ashiknur: that means we have to beat the same boss or will it change?
Astrobytes: and so on, down the leagues
Astrobytes: in silver?
ashiknur: yeah
Astrobytes: A new boss will be chosen as it was in bronze, then you have to beat that to get to gold
Whatar: How is the boss chosen?
Astrobytes: wood bosses are premade, the bosses from bronze onwards are handpicked by staff
Whatar: cool
Astrobytes: as in handpicked from the users in the league
Djellowman: can i have multiple files?
Djellowman: i seem to only get 1 file
Astrobytes: you get one file. You can write or use an existing script to combine your files into a CG-friendly format
Djellowman: thank you
Astrobytes: np
Astrobytes: there are a few ready-to-go 'bundler' scripts around if you search the forum, depends on your language but there are a few
Djellowman: another type of question; do you think it makes sense to keep track of both players' wild mana?
Djellowman: since it seems to be a win condition if both players defended everything
Glyptod0n: for the detail "its coordinates are truncated (when below halfway across the map) or rounded up (when above halfway across the map)"
Glyptod0n: it's from perspective of your base right
Astrobytes: I would try to maximise mine and overall gain advantage elsewhere, that should prevent the need to keep track of what the opponent got in that respect, but don't take my word for that in any way, just a thought
Astrobytes: Glyptod0n: It's supposed to be symmetric so yes
PatrickMcGinnisII: seriously 92%... I went shopping...omg
Glyptod0n: thanks
burnpanck: Djellowman you won't be able to track wild mana of the opponent - most of the time you don't see when the opponent fights a monster, and you can't tell from the opponents "normal" mana either because you don't see the spell use
Astrobytes: lol Patrick
Astrobytes: burnpanck: yeah, it's possible to make guesses but I feel it's a futile endeavour
Djellowman: ah i missed the fog mechanic
Djellowman: i had assumed full knowledge
PatrickMcGinnisII: 2 mobs spawn every 5 turns beginning on turn 3, their hp=potential mana. their hp starts at 10 and goes up by 1 every 10 turns
PatrickMcGinnisII: you can only guestimate
Astrobytes: Djellowman: it would not be CG without fog these days it seeems
Astrobytes: or seems
Djellowman: is it because games are too easy to solve with full knowledge?
PatrickMcGinnisII: yes the cpu grinders have a distinct advantage
Astrobytes: To a point
Astrobytes: I mean, there are parts of this game that are fully searchable, so expect it
Djellowman: why can i only see enemy output stream sometimes?
PatrickMcGinnisII: true, but not as bad as some previous combo finding games
Astrobytes: I like search-based, I like some heuristic + search based too
Jason_Down: Well then... came back to find things have sped up nicely. I moved to Wood 1 finally and am about to move to Bronze without any code changes. That makes up for the 3.5 hour wait :beers:
Djellowman: does the very first input line contain our mabna, health
Astrobytes: Jason_Down: :beers: nice one!
Djellowman: or our enemies mana, health
Djellowman: nvm
Astrobytes: @Djellowman: yeah sorry, first input is yours
Astrobytes: regardless if you are p1 or p2
Djellowman: just found it in docs. i was surprised because the default code actually ignores the 1st line and stores the second as health, mana variables
Astrobytes: in what lang?
Djellowman: python
Astrobytes: no it doesn't
Djellowman: for _ in range(2):
health, mana = [int(j) for j in input().split()]
PatrickMcGinnisII: I like games needing a little intuition
Djellowman: default code
Djellowman: just overwrited the variables
Djellowman: overwrites*
Astrobytes: I know I'm looking at it.
You have to store it, it's only reading it
Djellowman: i just found the 'starter kit'. would've saved me some boilerplate writing ;p
Djellowman: exactly the setup i went for
Jason_Down: Ooooh two more spells. I haven't even coded the wind spell yet
Tuo: still not great default code, they could have done two lines one for own and one for opponent
Astrobytes: did they do a c++ starter this time around?
Astrobytes: Tuo they generally do it like this, kinda normal for CG
Djellowman: are monster spawn randomly? if i play my code i get differing results
Djellowman: do*
yhyoxx: yes
Astrobytes: I'm trying way hard not to just say RTFS rn
Astrobytes: but:
Monsters will appear randomly, but symmetrically from the map edges outside of the player's bases. They appear with a random moving direction.
PatrickMcGinnisII: rtfs?
Astrobytes: manual play with the same seed should fix that if you need it
Astrobytes: Patrick: Statement not Manual
Astrobytes: RTFS vs RTFM
PatrickMcGinnisII: pos and dir only rnd
PatrickMcGinnisII: ahhh, yup
Djellowman: sorry, i did a ctrl+f for 'random', but apparently hadn't selected the manual window
Astrobytes: Read the <word beginning with F> <Readable Material>
Djellowman: wait i had a ctrl+f on 'spawn', thats why
PatrickMcGinnisII: lol, ... RTFD
Astrobytes: Djellowman: heh heh, it happens
PatrickMcGinnisII: <directions>
Astrobytes: I assumed that one Pat
Astrobytes: PatrickMcGinnisII: you prefer Patrick, Pat or Paddy?
Djellowman: sorry i never used this site before. but yeah it's all in the docs
PatrickMcGinnisII: Pat²
PatrickMcGinnisII: doesn't matter
Astrobytes: all the Patricks I know have a preference lol
Astrobytes: Djellowman: always best to check for sanity reasons, and welcome to CG :)
PatrickMcGinnisII: Pat jr. will make me fly to where you are and chastise you vehemently while drunk
Djellowman: Pat jr. it is
Astrobytes: PatrickMcGinnisII: :rofl: should be fun in Scotland :D
**PatrickMcGinnisII gathers his pipe b*mb materials, j/k
PatrickMcGinnisII: fixin' to be too hot here in FL anyways
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Astrobytes: hahaha
Astrobytes: they're needed in the homeland rn I believe mate
PatrickMcGinnisII: gonna start a gofundme for a pair of waverunners
PatrickMcGinnisII: 93%
PatrickMcGinnisII: gagh
Astrobytes: anyways, I gotta run, Past 1am here and I have stuff to do in the morning.
Astrobytes: Take care all
PatrickMcGinnisII: laterz
Djellowman: gn
Djellowman: i just realized the BM potential of appending text after commands
Djellowman: you can taunt enemy heroes as you control them around
madninjaskillz: ive been rickrolled twice with that text.
PatrickMcGinnisII: other people have quoted poetry, spit variables, etc.
yhyoxx: or advertise their website
yhyoxx: dude is even including 'https://'
Djellowman: spit variables?
yhyoxx: print a var content
yhyoxx: value*
PatrickMcGinnisII: spit eminem
Djellowman: would it work to just have all 3 of your heroes walk up to the monster the closest to the enemy base
Djellowman: and then triple wind them into the base. repeat 3 times..?
MACKEYTH: It's a risky strat, but there's at least one player I know of who did exactly that.
PatrickMcGinnisII: it only takes 2 to shotgun one into base
Djellowman: does it? it's 2200 units per wind. so i guess it depends on the distance
PatrickMcGinnisII: +300
Djellowman: you could keep one for defense perhaps
Djellowman: ah you're right. so 4700 total with 2 WIND casts. with the base being 5000 from the border
Tuo: maybe you could go in the start when only few spiders, sling 1 - 3 in and then 3 hero defense
PatrickMcGinnisII: 4700+1280 for hero loc
Djellowman: it gets completely countered by anyone shielding enemies when opponent heroes are near
Djellowman: i don't see why you add the 1280?
PatrickMcGinnisII: wind radius
Djellowman: ah yes your hero can be farther away
Djellowman: if that's what you mean
PatrickMcGinnisII: er range
Djellowman: the monster has to be in 4700 range though
MACKEYTH: Just made another big commit. fingers crossed.
erick.lee: i can't concentrate on my job because of this game :(
yhyoxx: you should quit
erick.lee: ye.. i will quit to see more
MACKEYTH: Anyone know of a good resource that can show you the differences between 2 documents?
yhyoxx: online diff checker ?
MACKEYTH: Yeah
yhyoxx: google those 3 words
MACKEYTH: I know, i know. already done.
NinjaDoggy: I agree with yhyoxx, you should quit your job erick.lee :)
NinjaDoggy: :P
YiCao: Any differences between Silver League and Bronze League?
Wizard-Dude: none other than the boss will be significantly harder
Wizard-Dude: basically to weed out everyone other than the best for legend leauge
YiCao: OK, got it.Thanks for Wizard-Dude:grin:
yhyoxx: jobs give you a reason to wake up tho
yhyoxx: along with other things
Skm11: I need help
yhyoxx: what's wrong ?
DollarAkshay: Do monsters move an aditional 400 units after wind command ?
NinjaDoggy: nope, monster don't move after getting pushed
DollarAkshay: TY
PatrickMcGinnisII: it's vector math
yhyoxx: they pick a random direction after being winded, right ?
PatrickMcGinnisII: if not in a base
DollarAkshay: Only if they are outside the base radius
yhyoxx: do we farm wild mana if monster is in enemy base ?
MACKEYTH: Doesn't matter where the monster is. You get wild mana if your hero hits a monster while outside your base
yhyoxx: nice
PatrickMcGinnisII: lline 568 of referee, u decide
PatrickMcGinnisII: looks like it
NinjaDoggy: i'm pretty convinced wildmana is a bait to track :/
NinjaDoggy: I don't think it's possible to survive in this game to 220
abt8601: You can blow the monster away from the base if there are too many
MezNova: what language does this website teach?
EvModder: java.util.Random.... seed cracking time?
yhyoxx: @EvModder good question
EvModder: The seed is only really useful for knowing the starting vx,vy for all monsters
EvModder: but that's pretty useful
EvModder: the biggest barrier to cracking it is that the mob speed vector gets truncated, so we lose a LOT of double precision (meaning we have a LOT of candidate double values)
EvModder: however, perhaps with enough aggregate data... (search spaces is theoretically halved each time we see a new mob), we can get the number small enough to brute force the seed
ItsNotABug: Any top tips for someone just starting spring challenge?
PatrickMcGinnisII: direction is randomized on wind
EvModder: to crack the java.util.Random seed you literally just need to know a single result of nextDouble()
EvModder: yeah, but you can detect wind spells pretty easily and account for it
EvModder: even if outside your fog of war, by just watching opponent's mana
Aramang: what if they use control in fog?
abt8601: EvModder does java.util.Random use linear congruence generator?
EvModder: yes
EvModder: quick google search yields this: https://github.com/fta2012/ReplicatedRandom
EvModder: @Aramang control doesnt call random.next*(), and if i understand correctly it also doesn't permanently affect vx,vy, which is all we need to crack the random
Wontonimo: you don't need to put the @ infront of names EvModder
EvModder: Ah, wasn't sure how it worked because it doesn't highlight it for me when i tag someone else
EvModder: I think the hardest part of cracking the game seed is dealing with the truncation mob vx,vy... but even so
EvModder: am I allowed to create a 2nd account (for simulating only) that will stay at the bottom of wood league?
EvModder: I won't ever submit it, just in ide
EvModder: I want to test a few games without fog of war
EvModder: (alternatively, if anyone knows an option to disable fog of war in IDE...)
AIonymuOS: Any tips on when to activate shield in Mad Pod Racing?
JulienKerlero: Any tips on how to farm multiple spiders ar once ?
Waffle3z: it's been 12 hours, is silver done computing yet?
abt8601: I see only 50 players whose scores are computing right now, so maybe we're close to done
Lysk: it's quite fast now
Waffle3z: still can't watch any replays, it's just blank
DollarAkshay: Check the forums someone was complaining about this
DollarAkshay: I think there might be a solution in the Forums
Waffle3z: nothing in the latest section
DollarAkshay: @Waggle3z https://forum.codingame.com/t/spring-challenge-2022-bugs-questions/195480/5
DollarAkshay: Is this the same problem ?
Waffle3z: yeah figured it was something that only started today due to load
Waffle3z: not firefox though
EvModder: what c++ version is codinggame using?
EvModder: the keyword "consteval" seems unrecognized
Lysk: g++ 10.2.1 mode C++17 => g++ 11.2.0 mode C++17
Lysk: (latest language update)
EvModder: booo
EvModder: give us c++20
EvModder: where do i formally complain lol
EvModder: who even uses c++17 anymore xD
EvModder: (joking, but not entirely)
Ketroc: java is still on 1.8 ;/
EvModder: damn
EvModder: well at least with java, you guys have a standard library that contains more than just dust and cobwebs
EvModder: c++ is kind of garbage without boost/absl libraries
EvModder: we can all envy the python guys who have a library for literally anything pre-built in
PaulBunyan: It's not the size of the libraries... it's what you do with them....
ItsNotABug: Just started, made my guys attack the closest enemy or closest thats a threat and rapid promotion :D
PaulBunyan: That should get you to Bronze very quickly. To get to Silver you have to start using spells.
ItsNotABug: Yeah, just want out of wood to start getting more rules. No point wasting effort before then
EvModder: PaulBunyan my counter argument is C. Imagine having to implement maps & dynamic arrays (vectors) yourself each time you needed them
EvModder: I want consteval, which is c++20 while website is c++17. Sure, I can do without, but why should I be forced to?
PaulBunyan: Joke dude.
EvModder: If Java is really 8 like Ketroc said (instead of Java18), imagine all the basic stuff they miss
EvModder: ah ok my bad lol
EvModder: hard to pick up on joke/sarcasm in text :)
PaulBunyan: No worries.
struct: They tried to add other java versions but it timed out randomly
struct: So they rolled back
EvModder: Ah ok
EvModder: I bet there's a JVM config setting they could tweak to fix that
EvModder: but probably requires some investigating so i get it
EvModder: c++20 is greatly missed tho :)
PatrickMcGinnisII: so your lazy, my codesize is 700 with OOP. And I'm hardly done, and left many things undone
Jerrasterix: I was in 1200th rank and I still got promoted to silver WTH ??
EvModder: my submitted code is ~200
Jerrasterix: mine is like 180
EvModder: ikr Jerrasterix, I was surprised too
EvModder: I haven't submitted code since day 1 xD
struct: Jerrasterix I was 1979
PaulBunyan: 116 lines of python and I'm in Silver.
EvModder: I've been stuck on something in IDE for last 2 days
struct: I think too many got promoted to silver
Jerrasterix: agreed struct
PatrickMcGinnisII: I agree struct, I was one of them
EvModder: oh struct you're a moderator
EvModder: can you answer a rules question for me..
struct: If I know it
struct: I'm just a chat moderator but I can try
EvModder: I think I know a way to crack the game seed from within the submission
EvModder: meaning i can predict monster movement vectors before actually seeing them
EvModder: however i haven't actually managed to get it working yet
EvModder: and it is not easy
struct: hmm, are you sure it's possible
EvModder: it's the reason i haven't submitted to arena in 2 days.. I'm deep in theory-land of double-precision
struct: I know it has been done before
Jerrasterix: I think some have already tried it but for other multis
struct: But they increased the seed to prevent this
struct: before seed was 32 bits now its 64
PatrickMcGinnisII: you can view the first two mobs easily, because you have 3 turns to get one hero on each edge
EvModder: java.util.Random, which is what the engine uses, gives away 48 bits of the seed when generating nextDouble()
EvModder: and you can bruteforce the last 16 bits very easily
PatrickMcGinnisII: seed starts as a long, but pulls doubles
BenjaminUrquhart: oh apparently I was good enough for silver
struct: I would say it's fair game if you manage to do it
BenjaminUrquhart: also what's this, trying to break java random?
EvModder: if you know a single double from rand.nextDouble(), you can predict all future doubles
EvModder: eg: https://github.com/fta2012/ReplicatedRandom
EvModder: the tricky part is the game doesn't tell you any exact double from nextDouble() -- it gets converted into vx and vy for 4 spiders spawned every 5 turns, so the search space depends on how much precision is lost in the truncation to int
PatrickMcGinnisII: I think you need 2, but you can see 6 on turn 3
PatrickMcGinnisII: 6 normalized doubles
EvModder: a single nextDouble() is all you need because internally nextDouble() calls nextInt() twice i believe, for upper and lower bits
PatrickMcGinnisII: turn 8 should give you the lower bits
PatrickMcGinnisII: it's easy to see where on the board is gonna be farm territory and vulnerable territory. Fog just kills running chess style sims
EvModder: mhm, gotta get rid of fog ;)
PatrickMcGinnisII: enemy hero prediction is what I'm talking about
EvModder: Oh yeah
PatrickMcGinnisII: early game farming is super important
EvModder: They will still be in the fog, cracking Random won't help with that
ItsNotABug: lol, my random bot that just goes after the nearest spider with all 3 beat wood 2, and went to 1st in wood 1 :D
EvModder: lol, yeah i think the boss difficulty is a bit off
ItsNotABug: Meh, works for me :D
PatrickMcGinnisII: wood is just to make sure you grasp basic game mechanics
ItsNotABug: As long as I can't beat bronze with it, then i'll be concerned
abt8601: Well, maybe gold league is where the real deal begins
Jerrasterix: ItsNotABug, mine still does it.... just added wind and I am in silver :confused:
EvModder: yeah lol
abt8601: same for me
PatrickMcGinnisII: my recommendation is to stay in top 600 when gold opens
Aramang: using all 3 on the same target is actually pretty good for defence in early leagues, a lot of people will try to manage them individually and come up with something elss effective
EvModder: my submitted code is ~1900, it just farms. only time it uses spells is if it can't kill spider in time, and it only does wind
ItsNotABug: I'll see where this lands, then just add wind if enemy gets too close
EvModder: <200 lines c++
abt8601: wow, that's short
EvModder: yeah Patrick, the top 600 are way better than what i have
ItsNotABug: So far i've added about 20 to the base python ;) I've started a side project with classes, but just wanted to get out of wood/bronze before I complicate it
EvModder: lines of code might not be a great measure for me, because my code is usually very dense lol
PatrickMcGinnisII: alot of people are sending attacker early, so defenses change. there's maybe 4 major strategies, they all rely on mana ... running out sucks
EvModder: E.g., this is one line:
template<typename T> constexpr double length(pair<T,T> xy){return sqrt(xy.x*xy.x + xy.y*xy.y);}
ItsNotABug: Mine is literally just to track the closest threat and target it with everyone
EvModder: ah ok, mine is the same except limits 1 hero per threat
EvModder: so 2nd hero goes for 2nd closest threat
EvModder: (unless it needs 2 heros to deal with a threat)
ItsNotABug: Eventually I'll figure out a "threat level" and split my guys out to cover more ground, but this is going fairly high in bronze with no spells already :D
ItsNotABug: K.I.S.S
Hackinfo: Hello, who can help me to understand something in codinGame
EvModder: depends; we can try our best tho :)
PatrickMcGinnisII: there's like more than 15 people active
PatrickMcGinnisII: just FYI https://www.codingame.com/replay/624147369
EvModder: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a15ac65e-1bc1-4aab-b50f-2d10e2c8e9f2
EvModder: not sure why that created a pastebin link, I guess the msg was too long
EvModder: i was asking how to disable fog in the OPTIONS tab (in IDE)
Jerrasterix: if it has too many new lines it does
EvModder: i tried these 2: {enable_fog=false, fog=false}
struct: you cant
EvModder: ah
EvModder: I want to test somthing without fog but I am too lazy to write a simulator so I think I'll just sign up with a new email lol
MindBoggle: PatrickMcGinnisII , that replay looks like someone hardcoded for top left on part of their code.
PatrickMcGinnisII: ENABLE_FOG = false
PatrickMcGinnisII: don't know if it overwrites params
EvModder: doesn't seem to work :(
PatrickMcGinnisII: upper and lower case matters
Wontonimo: nice replay PatrickMcGinnisII
EvModder: I tried all upper and all lower
PatrickMcGinnisII: tx
PatrickMcGinnisII: no idea evM
EvModder: I also tried with and without spaces around =
Wontonimo: gn all :wave:
EvModder: and upper/lower false
EvModder: gn!
PatrickMcGinnisII: oh it parses as integer
EvModder: ahh
EvModder: let me try0
EvModder: still no luck
EvModder: i remember using parameters on the spring2020 contest but i guess it changed or i forgot how
PatrickMcGinnisII: I only hardcoded default locations depending on desired bot mode
MindBoggle: I was looking at the opponent at the beginning but after watching the rest saw what you meant with them attacking
SashaNukem: gn
Kokoz: Good morning guys.
