Chat:World/2022-04-23

BenjaminUrquhart: Lysk ok thanks, so no cheesing lol

BenjaminUrquhart: made some improvements and it looks like it might be enough to leave wood

BenjaminUrquhart: finally

BenjaminUrquhart: still not using spells, just needed to make movement less dumb

BenjaminUrquhart: yep, bronze time

aCat: nice, congratz ;]

Kokoz: gg

BenjaminUrquhart: added basic wind usage

BenjaminUrquhart: although it's getting late so I might stop soon

BenjaminUrquhart: adding wind is pushing me up so far lol

BenjaminUrquhart: well I just learned a new dumb strat

BenjaminUrquhart: and that's abusing wind stacking to yeet monsters into the opponent base

VizGhar: yes, its dumb :)

BenjaminUrquhart: well that's a problem for later cause I need sleep and I need to refactor the spell code for that

BenjaminUrquhart: at least I have something lol

EvModder: are any c++ libraries (outside of std) available?

EvModder: I'd really love to use some absl or boost features if possible

therealbeef: nope

EvModder: oof, guess i'm switching to java then lol

EvModder: c++ is too bare-bones (if codingame doesn't give us boost/absl)

EvModder: next year with c++23 I think we will finally get the new hash containers in the std

Bernard_Lowe: Does anyone know what distance is defined as "near_base" in the game? 5000 distance from base? 6000?

_NikJ: If a monster comes within 5000 units of a base at the end of a turn, it will target that base. nearBase: 1: if monster is targeting a base, 0 otherwise.

_NikJ: I'd say it's 5000 then

_NikJ: I think fog visibility from base is 6000, maybe you got confused there

_NikJ: Or I'm confused?

DaNinja: yep 5000

Bernard_Lowe: I think you're right. 5000 is the mark because targeting happens at 5000.

Bernard_Lowe: I have a set of code to loop, and instead of using this, I'd rather set distances from base 5000, 6000, etc.

Bernard_Lowe: Thanks.

Enknable: near base is also set if the trajectory would lead to the base..

Enknable: ?

Enknable: ah nm

Bernard_Lowe: I don't think so. I think that's "threat_for"?

Bernard_Lowe: I think they became same thing within 5000 units.

Enknable: right. so threat for == 1 means it will eventually

Bernard_Lowe: Yep.

_NikJ: means it's currently HEADED your way Enknable

Bernard_Lowe: I'm adding a loop to check these threats 1000 units outside my base to catch them quicker.

_NikJ: When nearBase is also set, means it's within 5000

Enknable: A Promise. To target your base <3

Kokoz: I dont know what I am doing *.*

_NikJ: I tried that, Bernard_Lowe, but I got more consistent results using just the nearBase flag instead

_NikJ: Maybe I didn't manage to find the sweetspot

Bernard_Lowe: Hrmm. Good to know. I'll test it out as I'm already almost done.

_NikJ: I have yet to try implement Shield and Control

_NikJ: So far I'm only using Wind to push off enemies which are dangerously close

BenjaminUrquhart: I basically do raytracing on every enemy to see if they'll be a problem at some point

BenjaminUrquhart: and only target those

Bernard_Lowe: You'll have to walk them out with mind control multiple times if they are near hitting your base.

MeWhenI: i think the game gives you flags for free to tell you those things and keep you from having to run the calcs yourself

BenjaminUrquhart: I don't believe it accounts for enemies that aren't currently headed for your base but will get within 5000 units and redirect

_NikJ: I don't let them get that close yet, Bernard_Lowe, I'm playing it more defensively

MeWhenI: it does, Benjamin

BenjaminUrquhart: oh ok

MeWhenI: if an enemy is headed towards your base, threat_for will be 1

BenjaminUrquhart: I'll still keep it so I can update monsters that are out of vision

MeWhenI: that makes sense yeah

LarsVR: how do I know which rank I need to get to pass on to the next league?

LarsVR: the ai doesnt seem to be in the leaderboards anymore

MeWhenI: are you in bronze?

LarsVR: yes

MeWhenI: next league doesnt open up until tomorrow

LarsVR: oooowh ok

LarsVR: good to know, ty!

MeWhenI: np

MsonC: Anyone here playing CoC?

JonByte: maybe

dbf: can anyone send a link to chat wiki archive?

eulerscheZahl: https://cg.spdns.eu/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?limit=50&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2

tealfrog: will the rules for getting into silver announced when it opens?

BenjaminUrquhart: there are no more rules

BenjaminUrquhart: bronze is the last one with new rules

jrke: pacman had one extra rule in silver but till now i am unable to figure out what does that rule meant

jrke: :grinning:dead pacs

eulerscheZahl: for pacman that wasn't planned initially. only added because players complained

dbf: thanks, euler

tealfrog: It's my first challenge, how it was organised in the past?

eulerscheZahl: uhm, centralized? not sure what you ask for

tealfrog: I need to plan my time. If my bot is good enough I would switch to other project

eulerscheZahl: depends on what you want to achieve

eulerscheZahl: you will certainly drop a lot of ranks if you get inactive now

tealfrog: I have plenty of ideas how to improve it but I cannot work on it full 9 days

eulerscheZahl: that applies to most particiaptns

tealfrog: i guess

tealfrog: that's why clear rulles would be helpful

eulerscheZahl: there are clear rules: new league opens every 2 days: silver, gold, legend

eulerscheZahl: with a boss that's chosen from existing player submissions

eulerscheZahl: at the end there will be a final rerun to stabilize ranking for min(100, legend) players

eulerscheZahl: then results are final

tealfrog: so we have 2 days to advance to the next league?

BenjaminUrquhart: no

eulerscheZahl: new league opens at some time. then you are either in it already or you can promote, just like with wood

eulerscheZahl: repeat 3 times

BenjaminUrquhart: a new league opens every 2 days, but you have the entire rest of the contest to get into it

MeWhenI: does silver open in 20 min?

BenjaminUrquhart: no

eulerscheZahl: by unix timestamp it opens tomorrow

eulerscheZahl: by experience from the past in 2 days

MeWhenI: ah k

eulerscheZahl: unlikely that CG does anything on the weekend

eulerscheZahl: you should be around top50% of bronze to reach silver

jrke: i think there are better bots than butcher in arena but due less battles none got succes to breach his lead maybe

tealfrog: ok, so at the point when the next silver league opens the boss for the bronse will be selected and I will see the level of my bot / have chance to improve?

tealfrog: ok, thanks

eulerscheZahl: yes. you can always submit until the timer reaches 0

eulerscheZahl: 9 days to go

MeWhenI: where would i look to see the arena scoring formula

therealbeef: hmm, still three people from same company in top 10, interesting

EvModder: dang, i get back from work and my bot has fallen to >1000th place

EvModder: time to start actually using spells lmao

dbf: time to stop work :)

eulerscheZahl: scores are computed via TrueSkill algorithm

EvModder: dbf yeah, im considering taking some days off next week to focus on the challenge

EvModder: last contest (spring2020) was a ton of fun for me, despite dropping rank in the last hour lol

EvModder: definitely worth dedicating time to

_NikJ: hm, seems that someone almost overtook butcher, same company, same language, same score :D

_NikJ: maybe playing against himself?

Illedan: Too few games now to beat him properly

therealbeef: same strategy?

EvModder: i've been playing against butcher in ide with my new (bronze league rules) bot

EvModder: i feel like he has so much more strategy implemented than i do

therealbeef: interesting how he managed to do that in less than 1 day

EvModder: but i have a trick up my sleeve that i know he isn't using (not yet anyway) ;)

_NikJ: What kind of magic are you using in this one, Illedan?

Illedan: wind, control and shield

jacek: happy Caturday

jrke: i lost one match cause i finished my all mana and even after that i keep casting them leading to WAIT :grinning:

eulerscheZahl: exciting story

EvModder: i noticed butcher is very efficient with mana, he will run all the way down to 0 to carry out an attack if he thinks he can win

EvModder: the only times i beat him currently are 1) his scouting is bad and he gets surprised by monster randomness, and 2) he runs out of mana while attacking me and i am able to defend then counter attack

Jerrasterix: He wrote a sim that quickly, ohhh my gosh.....

EvModder: idk if i am going to bother with a sim personally... the IDE is kinda slow, but i'm not going for any machine learning approach or anything like that

Jerrasterix: :innocent:

Jerrasterix: all I know to do is to write if else statements :laugh:

EvModder: ultimately that's all you need :grin:

EvModder: now that i'm abandoning c++ for java, it's time to start using my dirty minecraft modding tricks

Jerrasterix: :thinking:

Nerchio: good choice

EvModder: if they change any of the base configuration setting my new bot will break quite a lot

Jerrasterix: how is minecraft related to this ??

EvModder: i meant programming-style wise, minecraft is in java and it's a mess

EvModder: my code is not obfuscated but ultimately it probably would be any less readable if it was

Jerrasterix: ic

Suenodk: Hi! In the spring challenge is the output in the same order when reading the entities (heroes)?

DaNinja: yes

jrke: yes

Suenodk: Thanks! :)

MeWhenI: lol the score checking seems a bit whacky, submitted identical code twice in a row and got 26th once, 11th the second time

_NikJ: that's normal, I went from 80th to 150th :D

MeWhenI: yeah, just seems like the "you get 45 battles to base your score off of" approach isnt the best, pretty random

jacek: well, buy more servers *_*

BenjaminUrquhart: remember that when people submit and gets matches against you, that will also influence your ranking

karliso: https://www.codingame.com/replay/622529695

karliso: turn 67: mob has left visible area, then control makes it move back, but it moves through wall right in base attraction radius.

Manchi_o6o7: Hey guys. Can I ask here general questions about programming?

Jerrasterix: yup

jacek: only spam is allowed here :f

Manchi_o6o7: Basically, I want to write a library in C++ for finite automata and then connect it with some C# and .NET.

Manchi_o6o7: I am not sure about the "connection" part

Manchi_o6o7: If someone has done something similiar before

Jerrasterix: are planning to do it in C++ for perf reasons

Jerrasterix: bcoz, if its managed C++ then it is pretty straightforward, native C++ is pretty difficult task

Manchi_o6o7: yes, and I am more capable of doing such things in C++. C# is more for the interface with WinForms

Jerrasterix: then try using C++/CLI

Jerrasterix: there many tutorials to connect C++/CLI to winforms

Manchi_o6o7: Is C++ CLI much different from native C++

syahiran: guys im new here

syahiran: how to play

_NikJ: slightly different syntax in clr version, nothing spectacular

Jerrasterix: well, not syntax wise, but instead of compiling it to machine code, it is interpreted in CLR

_NikJ: I mean, from his point of view, it won't change much, you'll still type the same exact code

_NikJ: Performance wise? Not quite sure

Manchi_o6o7: There is no way to combine native C++ code

Jerrasterix: there is!! but It is a bit difficult for me atlease

DaNinja: syahiran https://www.codingame.com/faq

Jerrasterix: you have make it into an assembly DLL and then link it to the project

Jerrasterix: and idk anything about making an asm. DLLs

syahiran: thanks

eulerscheZahl: hm, my random bot lacks some incentive to defend the base. at least it collects some mana https://www.codingame.com/replay/622551623

TobiasA: hmmm what do you mean by random? because that seems better than random

eulerscheZahl: select random spider target, score outcome after certain depth

MeWhenI: looks like a decent bot setup, if the one in your base used some wind spells i think ud be in the clear there

Jerrasterix: minimax ??

TobiasA: hm which means you have a sim already?

eulerscheZahl: my sim does not account for spells

eulerscheZahl: and no minimax, just myself in solo mode without opponent

Fox787: Better mine which currently if i'm "enemy" always pushes enemies into my base with wind

Kokoz: I still don't know what I'm doing q.q

Kokoz: too much inputs to process

dbf: eulerscheZahl, wow you mentioned that you are not sure about the game, but have a sim already :)

eulerscheZahl: very basic sim

Jerrasterix: you are talking to previous No.1 player

TobiasA: After an entity moves towards a point, its coordinates are truncated (when below halfway across the map) or rounded up (when above halfway across the map), only then are distance-based calculations performed (such as monster damage).

dbf: eulerscheZahl, I had an idea about sim also, but looks like it is required to simulate opponent including spells because they are importannt and it is not easy..

TobiasA: is this important or nah

eulerscheZahl: emphasis on "previous", Jerrasterix

eulerscheZahl: and i still don't know how to best approach the game. probably a hybrid of sim + heuristics. but where to draw the line and how to puzzle it together?

dbdr: the top 3 question ;)

dbf: it is easy: use heuristics when they are better than sim in this case, otherwise use sim

Jerrasterix: just imagine some top coders are struggling, just look at those who are not that good :cry:

dbdr: while !top1 { rewrite_everything() }

TobiasA: if feel you

TobiasA: *I

Nerchio: eulerscheZahl I respect the C#

Kokoz: what is "sim"?

eulerscheZahl: simulation

Jerrasterix: simulation

eulerscheZahl: compute the outcome of your actions and look a few turns into the future

Kokoz: ohhh.. It becomes even harder, nice

Kokoz: I think I will satisfy with bronze :D

TobiasA: lol

shauli: I have a probelm running the game locally because of Guice injectors, does someone solved why it throws exceptions?

ashiknur: if I play with randome bot and lose the game, will my rank decrease? I was in top 500 after playing with butcher2013 2 times my rank is 600.

Kokoz: I have few other ideas I will try but I am still beginner (or low intermediate)

MeWhenI: no, playing bots in IDE doesnt affect your rank

Nerchio: threatFor is weird, it gave me a 1 even though the mob literally walks outside the map?

Nerchio: and never reaches my base untouched

Gabbek: Nerchio show the replay, please

MACKEYTH: I've been ignoring threatFor and just simming monsters to see if they pose a threat

Nerchio: https://www.codingame.com/replay/622566891 turn 200, id 157 on the left

Fox787: It's a known bug, effectivly it will walk into base range, after that mob has left the play area

Poligraph: jabka

Nerchio: Fox787 what do you mean

Fox787: Basically the mob will be a threat for X base, because it will walk into the minimum distance for the base, if the circle for the base extended beyond the game map

Fox787: but becasue the game map is limited, it's a false poitive, the mob is killed when it walks off screen

Nerchio: yeah so its a bug

Nerchio: sad for people who will never read this lol

eulerscheZahl: meh, you don't need that input

Nerchio: I mean if you are not simming its quite good

eulerscheZahl: except - i remove spiders that leave the map area

Nerchio: but its a bad input if it doesnt work

therealbeef: the referee code is quite bad yeah, and some things are not described in the rules, such as the sudden death feature (which admittedly probably doesnt affect play much)

Nerchio: I only sim spiders with threatFor=1 and my bot timed out because it never reached the base

MeWhenI: butcher is out of #1 spot

therealbeef: another bug is that you can cancel a control spell by doing a wind spell on the same target in the next turn

MACKEYTH: That may be intentional

InstantWin: mewhenl maybe same bot

dbdr: therealbeef, what is sudden death?

Jerrasterix: they both are from the same company

Nerchio: eulerscheZahl so you can't wind monsters from outside the map area? like x < 0

eulerscheZahl: i have no idea what's possible and what isn't

therealbeef: suden death is that spiders spawned from turn 200 onwards don't get completely random direction but target the bases

eulerscheZahl: my sim does not account for spells at all yet

MeWhenI: yeah, maybe sp

InstantWin: SAMSUNG SDS

therealbeef: but 20 turns is usually too little to actually reach a base

Kokoz: Can someone help me? Basically I am searching for monsters that are "threat_for" my base and place them in a list. after that I am moving my heroes to the first monster in the list, but sometimes my heroes stop chasing that monster and head to another.. I can't figure out why.. It should still be the first monster in that list.

Fox787: if you're determining the monster in ist by the same index you're using for heros you're probably send ing hero 1 to 1, hero 2 to 2 hero 3 to 3 by mistake

Kokoz: https://www.codingame.com/replay/622572516

You can see that after 48th frame

MACKEYTH: I need to figure out how to create these shielded monster rushes that keep killing me.

Kokoz: @Fox787 I am not using indexes for heroes yet

Fox787: it's because they arent sorted by "closest" to your base

StrideNYC: Depends Kokoz, if you are just adding them by threat. Then when the iteration loop is going through the monsters, it is just adding it in that order. Maybe calculating which monster is closer and then adding to list :)

Fox787: you're only going to the first one on the list

dbdr: eulerscheZahl: how fun is it dealing with FOG in the sim? ;)

Kokoz: I will check that out. Thanks

eulerscheZahl: what fog? it's a perfect information game. if i don't see a spider, it doesn't exist

eulerscheZahl: oh wow, i at least survived 220 turns https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/622578250

eulerscheZahl: red=heuristic, blue=search

Nerchio: lucky

TobiasA: my favourite quote of the - day "if i don't see a spider, it doesn't exist"

LaurensD: Is it possible to switch sides in the PLAY my Code debug screen?

eulerscheZahl: https://xkcd.com/1530/

eulerscheZahl: yes LaurensD. delete yourself + opponent. then add again in reverse order

_NikJ: https://www.codingame.com/replay/622583970

_NikJ: Damn, he kicked my A

eulerscheZahl: [auto] watch your language

InstantWin: ass

LaurensD: Thanks @eulerscheZahl

_NikJ: I tricked antiwonto but saying A

eulerscheZahl: looks like the bot is offline

jacek: balls, isnt it

DjTrilogic: i'm struggling with the formula to know whether a spider can reach my base or not, based on its direction (speed? ) .. anyone can help me ?

Uljahn: you mean it's not given in the inputs?

burnpanck: eulerscherZahl wait how do you play two different versions of your bot against yourself?

jacek: he plays himself :v

DjTrilogic: i want to know whether a spider is going toward my base or not

burnpanck: never mind - apparently I never really clicked those player icons in the IDE before...

Kokoz: So at the end of the turn, monsters with position less then 300,300 deal damage to my base?

VizGhar: no Kokoz you just described square :P

Kokoz: so, if the distance is <300??

Kokoz: <=300 *

Poligraph: does it really matter?

Kokoz: for my calculations, yes :c

StrideNYC: _Nikj... that replay was awesome lol.

_NikJ: Uljahn, apparently, the threatFor that's given in the input applies to the whole radius of the base and in some cases, spider's trajectory may be going towards the "radius", but ultimately ends up walking off the map and dying

_NikJ: Now, I haven't confirmed this personally, but I've seen people talk about it

wlesavo: _NikJ this is a known bug, there is an issue in repository about this not sure if or when it will be fixed

_NikJ: Hm, not sure if I should calculate on my own or just keep using the threat param then

Uljahn: just calculate ray-circle intersection by yourself if you don't trust the inputs

TobiasA: what is the best way to test your sim?

geppoz: _Nikj yes, look step 58 https://www.codingame.com/replay/622612980

dbdr: TobiasA: submit of course ;)_

TobiasA: like i mean test if it is accurate not whether the bot works

TobiasA: just the simulation part

wlesavo: compare the states from simulation and next turn input

Illedan: Easy with fog :D

dbdr: :point_up:

wlesavo: like euler said

_NikJ: Tbh, I too am pretending that fog doesn't even exist. If I can't see the entities, they might as well not even be on the map, f it

Illedan: I track them forever

Illedan: Spider with -20000 x? Got it, clamp it inside my base and scream

wlesavo: the main problem is to track inside enemy base, but it should be solvable with reasonable assumptions

Illedan: You get enemy mana and hp as input

Illedan: Easy to track some things

wlesavo: even easier to just ignore tracking :smiley:

Illedan: Depends on your goal

kovi: but no wild mana tracked - i guess that is for reason

wlesavo: if my goal is not to track anything... :slight_smile:

Illedan: Top gold it is then ;)

dbf: oh, you are discussing so advanced tracking :)

Illedan: kovi, you can know wild mana to some extent too

SashaNukem: Wood league 1. Much susses

dbdr: knowing wildmana would be useful even for simple heuristics, e.g. get more aggressive if you are losing

leoni_das: why on earth when my heroes are placed in the red base they don't stay in it when a bug is approaching to it and instead they go to the blue one.. am taking base_x and base_y as inputs !!!!!

dbdr: also would help to display it in the viewer for analysis

Illedan: Do you use the inputs leoni_das?

leoni_das: yes

Illedan: Print to error and validate :)

leoni_das: oh it gives me 0 always :slight_smile:

jacek: oO

Nerchio: somebody offering free geometry lessons?

jacek: just dont sin and youll be alright

_NikJ: do you mean to say that sin is a sin?

jacek: cos its the same

AbuAjamiah: how to submit your code after being tested in the arena

AbuAjamiah: ?

jacek: you submit in test in arena

_NikJ: once it's in arena, it's already submitted

AbuAjamiah: thanks, but i go back to first challlenge

AbuAjamiah: how to move to the next one

_NikJ: I'm not quite sure what you mean, AbuAjamiah

AbuAjamiah: i finished first level, the starting one. now i want to pass to the next one. How Can i do this ? thanks

_NikJ: You're talking about the Spring Challenge? Once you defeated the boss in Wood 2 (after submitting your code to arena), you will be promoted to the next league - Wood1.

_NikJ: It happens automatically

AbuAjamiah: ahhh thanks

Noyotens: how to control one hero per tim?

Noyotens: *time

dbf: Noyotens, just send "WAIT" for others if you don't want to move them

Noyotens: but all of them stops

_NikJ: You're printing 3 messages each turn, 1 for each hero

dbf: what do you want to achive?

Noyotens: i want to keep one at the base

Noyotens: attack with otheres

dbf: store id of first in some variable, send move to base for it each time and attack command for others

Noyotens: @_NikJ thanks, that's ,make sense

dbf: (in each turn)

BenjaminUrquhart: just pulled an all-nighter only to get ~100 more places

BenjaminUrquhart: man

msumera: you should be happy you didn't pull an all-nighter to drop 500 places

BenjaminUrquhart: ok but that was like literally my entire night

BenjaminUrquhart: and only now did I get something working

msumera: well, in my case the more "smart" and complex solution i do, the worse the result is :D

BenjaminUrquhart: same lol

msumera: i got the best results with strategy: attack the closest monster to the base xd

_NikJ: Only using wind and only using it to defend I was 80th. Atm I'm using complex "strategies" with all the spells, so as a result I'm 160th

BenjaminUrquhart: well my problem is I lose like half my matches to wild mana so I need to improve on that

BenjaminUrquhart: but later, when I'm actually awake

BenjaminUrquhart: like here https://www.codingame.com/replay/622658764

_NikJ: I think I do okay on the wildmana, but I can't defend myself when people are very aggressive with spells

_NikJ: + I haven't started "attacking" at all, yet

BenjaminUrquhart: I don't attack either, clearly

BenjaminUrquhart: and yeah aggression is one of my weak points

BenjaminUrquhart: I definitely do better but it's still a problem

BenjaminUrquhart: usually it's when there's a control + monster shield

BenjaminUrquhart: since then I can't use wind

_NikJ: I can't remember who it was, but I watched a replay of someone kicking my a like this:

_NikJ: Got close to base, used control on my heroes to move them to center, used control and wind on spiders and then just shielded them

_NikJ: it was instant win lmao

BenjaminUrquhart: yeah that's a thing

BenjaminUrquhart: part of me wants to make a troll bot that just abandons base and yeets spiders into the opponent

_NikJ: Somehow, he managed to group them up before that and just instantly placed 3 spiders into the base

wlesavo: this is why you need to shield yourself :slight_smile:

_NikJ: IT'S YOU, YOU DID IT wlesavo

BenjaminUrquhart: I shield myself, just badly :)

_NikJ: I recognixed the avatar

wlesavo: _NikJ yrah, thats sounded like smth i do :smiley:

_NikJ: Yeah I'm not shielding myself at all, for some reason I convinced myself that it doesn't work and I never even tried it :D

_NikJ: Your strat is awesome, it's kicking a

wlesavo: its quite simple though, i abonedoned that bot and now working on cpp version

Aramang: do the spiders always move straight (assuming no spells)?

BenjaminUrquhart: yeah that went as well as I thought it would https://www.codingame.com/replay/622665849

BenjaminUrquhart: until they get close to a base, yes Aramang

Aramang: ok well i assumed they could change direction, kiond of makes my bot look a bit silly chasing random sideways one to the edge

EvModder: if 1 person casts "shield" on an entity the **same turn** the other player casts "wind" what happens?

EvModder: which spells "wins"

BenjaminUrquhart: the winds takes effect, then the shield

msumera: shield takes effect from next turn

BenjaminUrquhart: there's order of actions near the bottom

BenjaminUrquhart: (bronze)

msumera: wow, 300th -> 30th with a simple change

_NikJ: can you change it in my code too?

msumera: ofc, if only the rules allow it ;)

_NikJ: I'm only kidding of course :D However the rules? Eh

_NikJ: I find it kinda weird that top 2 are the same company, same language, practically the same score (both very high above others)

_NikJ: Sounds illegal, but oh well

msumera: i got another set of 'simple changes' which should work, but now i'm too scared to submit them

wlesavo: even more worrying is that butcher submitted just after 3 hours from contest start

Samer: what's up with that mean yellow button that asks me to quit this and go get a job??

dbf: msumera why you are scared, you can allways rollback to previous version

wlesavo: msumera current rank does not really matter, most people havent even submitted an actual version yet

wlesavo: so feel free to experiment while submits are working :slight_smile:

Iugi: which ids do the enemy heroes have?

Iugi: do they have 4,5,6?

eulerscheZahl: (0,1,2) or (3,4,5)

Astrobytes: i.e., P1 or P2

Iugi: so if i am player to my heroes are 4,5,6?

Iugi: *two

Astrobytes: 3,4,5

Astrobytes: count from 0...

CortexDeveloper: how to get promotion to next league? im beating boss in wood 2 in arena but nothing happens after battles ends

eulerscheZahl: are you above the boss on the leaderboard?

CortexDeveloper: yeah

eulerscheZahl: is your submit 100% finished?

Astrobytes: 90% wait for it to finish

Astrobytes: there

CortexDeveloper: yep, battles completed 100%

msumera: ok, let's submit new version, i guess i will go down from 30 to 1000

jacek: 30 to 1000 is going up :o

msumera: right!

Kukiss: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/0e06982e-a2f8-45f6-901d-a3d2da9ae4a3

Kukiss: ahh, I forget that too long message is a bad idea here

CortexDeveloper: got it, thank you

CortexDeveloper: same for guys above me, the also beat boss

Aramang: it promotes everyone higher than the boss on a timer

Edwap: Can anyone tell me where to find rules for this spring challenge? Im using TS so i set up webpack to bundle all of my files but im not sure if i can do that

therealbeef: who knows, maybe they also used this game in a private Samsung hackathon and butcher had a bot still lying around

jacek: there's the statement

Astrobytes: if it obfuscates it's not allowed

jacek: and also referee code

Astrobytes: otherwise it's fine to minify

Astrobytes: as long as it can be read by a human

Edwap: not reallyy i turned off minimization

jacek: :no_mouth:

Astrobytes: should be fine then

Edwap: great i'd rather place last because of bad code than some rule i broke :)

Astrobytes: :D

SashaNukem: Is my base always on the top left?

dbf: no

SashaNukem: @dbf thank you

Jerrasterix: well for the test rounds yes

vvandenb: no

Jerrasterix: but not for the actual matches

Astrobytes: you can swap sides while testing in the IDE too...

Aya_Noaman: wait how

Astrobytes: The DELETE button under the two player avatars

Astrobytes: Just put yourself in place of the other, and whoever else in your place

Aya_Noaman: oh okay thank you

_NikJ: I improved my bot so much that in 10 runs against my arena code I lost 13 times :D

TobiasA: pls could someone explain this I don't quite understand

TobiasA: After an entity moves towards a point, its coordinates are truncated (when below halfway across the map) or rounded up (when above halfway across the map), only then are distance-based calculations performed (such as monster damage).

ZarthaxX: what is your problem TobiasA?

PiMastah: Going through the calculations for each turn ay lead to float coordinates, which are converted to ints according to the above rules before further calculations are carried out. The conversion truncates or rounds up depending on which base you are closer to

ZarthaxX: ^

TobiasA: so if i'm closer to my base i'll truncate otherwise I round up?

ZarthaxX: sounds like it, yup

PiMastah: depends which one your base is

ZarthaxX: i guess this is a way to make it symmetric

PiMastah: if closer to (0,0) than (17630,9000) truncate, else round up

PiMastah: disclaimer I haven't checked the referee code :D

ZarthaxX: same .P

TobiasA: that also applies if i'm the red team?

TobiasA: or is it reversed as red team?

PiMastah: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/3297c5714be55f900028750e8ecb8b51d6aa4551/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Vector.java#L165

PiMastah: this is the code that does the part from the rules

PiMastah: origin is the midway point of the map

Tuo: is there a way to know if a monster has all of its health left?

PiMastah: You only get current health as input each round. Curious though why you would need it?

Tuo: to only send high health monster to the enemy

PiMastah: then maybe you can check which monsters have high current health?

TobiasA: thanks PiMastah

Abdi-29: when it the best moment to use spell wind

Tuo: but that depends on the max health. Maybe ill keep track on highest health ever seen and assume that is the maximum

Vintarel: there is a formula for max health, as it is raised of 1 every 6 monsters !

Vintarel: every 8* spiders*

ycsvenom: why there is no format in python

Hamp: why would max health matter? a 10/16 spider is the exact same as a 10/10 spider

Kukiss: I think it is about spending mana on 10/16 when next turn you could find 16/16

Kukiss: but I don't use spells yet, so for me it is very hypothetical problem :D

Tuo: yes Kukiss, never settle for inferior monsters! :smile:

Sh4kE: Hmm I'm ranked first in my league but still don't promote to the next. I waited in the arena untill it reached 100%...

CortexDeveloper: wait little bit more system will promote you in 10-30 min

Sh4kE: ahh thx :)

MindController: Guys what is the radius of base?

MindController: (How far monster has to be, to get wild mana?)

JohnyDaison: about 5050

struct: from what I understand monster can be inside

struct: but the hero that hits hit must be outside

Djellowman: ok im done. 2 hours of code is wiped? why doesnt the IDE save the changed you make??

Djellowman: changes

struct: did you press play my code?

Djellowman: no

struct: It warns you when you close the window

struct: it only saves when you press play my code or submit

Djellowman: sad

Djellowman: submit being test in arena?

struct: yes

Astrobytes: yes

struct: but my play my code is enough

Djellowman: i wrote out the entire structure of my bot.... not doing it again

Astrobytes: pro-tip: do that offline and copy-paste it over

Astrobytes: you have plenty time to rewrite only 2 hours worth of work

struct: it will probably take less time now

Astrobytes: true

Djellowman: yeah but i don't want to

Raphael67: it doesn't work the first try anyway

Djellowman: thanks for the tips though

TobiasA: when a control spell is used on a target, in the next turn does it move in the new direction or set it's velocity to the new direction then moves the turn after that

TobiasA: ?

struct: I think the spell only affects next turn

struct: so you use control on a spider

struct: it moves normally

struct: on the start of next turn the spider vx and vy is updated

TobiasA: ok thanks

RAMAKRISHNAPPA_BERIA: KGF

HenroLST: hello

ycsvenom: i just got promoted to Wood 1 League :sweat_smile:

ycsvenom: and i just started

SashaNukem: congrats

ycsvenom: thanks

archfan7411: anyone else have issues with the mana input not reflecting the mana value shown on the game's UI?

Astrobytes: perhaps you are looking at your opponents mana

archfan7411: good heavens, it would seem I am

Astrobytes: ;)

jacek: oh my

archfan7411: I've been debugging this for an eternity lol, thank you so much

Astrobytes: np, it happens :)

mester_x: hi world

ycsvenom: why the vs battles starts at 10 battles then eventually decreases to 2 or 1?

ycsvenom: evaluating process takes so much time

jacek: first 10 is against all spectrum to determine your starting rank

ycsvenom: hmmm

ycsvenom: in which league you are jacek?

jacek: 1459th bronze. just some simple if bot

Thheo: when will silver open?

LBPK: Is it possible to demote ?

Aramang: no, feel free to submit something broken to hang out at the bottom of the league

LBPK: Great ! Thanks :)

CosmicStudios: I never win clash of code :(

ycsvenom: you will it's hard in the beggining

CosmicStudios: I've been doing it for a while but everybody is too fast

JaredH: I hard coded my base as [0,0] and my first match my guys went and helped the other team

Mortis_666: 😂

Alurian: when does silver league open?

dbdr: League opening: 1650812400000

ycsvenom: just got promoted to Bronze League

Alurian: and what does that number mean?

Alurian: also congratz!

Alurian: aah unix. tomorrow at 5 silver opens

jacek: at GMT

Alurian: 5 gmt +2

Alurian: 5 pm btw

CosmicStudios: SO CLOSE :rage: :rage: :rage:

CosmicStudios: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/report/2360622d3a1c2399a694640de103f7866d78397

jacek: :eye:

CosmicStudios: 2 seconds

jacek: thats what she said :(

Astrobytes: :tada:

Th1nhNg0: Wow im in top 6 now

Th1nhNg0: xD

Nerchio: im top 500

Hackerkrish: jai KGF

Waffle3z: paralyzed by indecision trying to figure out the meta instead of actually writing any code

kovi: meta will change when search appear

kovi: and than again with nn

jacek: this game is quite unnable

Waffle3z: time to figure out how to do a search with any meaningful depth

SirLoxley: I would actually like to see a 'war' story how to train and squeeze in a NN into those 100k

Astrobytes: read some postmortems and ask the nn guys about encoding

Th1nhNg0: what is NN ?

Astrobytes: neural network

Th1nhNg0: oh, I nerver use it on codingame

jacek: oO

TobiasA: jacek have you used NN on CG before

Illedan: jacek, depends on what you want to NN. But I think you can go about this with simple statistics :P

jacek: well if there are parameters to tune in the search...

WannaBeHum1n: general question

WannaBeHum1n: if someone bot is not using if statements and conditions in general

WannaBeHum1n: what kind of code is he using ?

pHALUS: ifless code

thepianist59: XD

thepianist59: i am paralyzed and don't know and don't know what to code, which stratégy

thepianist59: I'm lost XD ...

Kukiss: WannaBeHum1n you can for example simulate many games using different moves. Score each simulation and choose the one which appears to be the most optimal.

WannaBeHum1n: wow

WannaBeHum1n: does this have a specific term i can google

thepianist59: yes, but for that you have to write the simulation and this game is not easy XD ... I have to write the part about the spells

WannaBeHum1n: to maybe learn more

jacek: generally its about simulation future moves

Kukiss: At list that's how I understand it. But it is too hard for me on an open map like this.

It's easier on grids etc. Well, hopefully some1 can help with terms

thepianist59: There are a lot of algorithms you can google ... genetic algorithms, BFS, DFS ...

Kukiss: at least* :D

Aramang: i think that would count as monte-carlo simulation... which is a complicated way of saying try random stuff and see what works

WannaBeHum1n: thepianist59 thnx

jacek: for board games you have minimax, mcts. then you have genetic algorithms, beam search, monte carlo

WannaBeHum1n: jacek ty

WannaBeHum1n: is the game code public on github ?

WannaBeHum1n: so people can do simulations ?

thepianist59: yes, on java

thepianist59: in*

WannaBeHum1n: ahh ok

thepianist59: but the way of working of the spells seems really complicated and I'm a little lost about them, so don't really know how to simulate them

thepianist59: maybe try a simulation without and trying putting them after

jacek: you dont need to simulate everything at first yeah

thepianist59: yeah , I always forget that and lost myself in my code

thepianist59: ^^

archfan7411: Where in the leaderboard do I see the boss?

HYPN05: uwu

Th1nhNg0: I'm gonna try to simulation the game in python

thepianist59: me too... we can exchange about that if you want, I'm trying first to simulate the moves

Iugi: how do you read your own mana

thepianist59: but even if we manage to simulate, we have to find a way to evaluate the situation obtained at the end , but ther a re not a lot

Iugi: because the mana is declared in a for loop so...

thepianist59: at the beginning of your code you have a input for your mana

Iugi: i dont know how to get it out of there ):

thepianist59: normally the default template code does it for you

archfan7411: lugi: in the Python template?

Iugi: java

archfan7411: ah

Iugi: i cant set it to public

archfan7411: well, you could refactor the template

Iugi: but it also doesnt let me use it

archfan7411: to make it read the enemy and your mana normally

thepianist59: for example, in the default python template there is this code : my_health, my_mana = [int(j) for j in input().split()]

Th1nhNg0: I hope I will find a way to simulation it.

Th1nhNg0: I'm try to use reinforcement learning

archfan7411: Nice

archfan7411: I respect anyone who's trying to use machine learning or anything like it here

archfan7411: above my skill level

jacek: machine learning aka if else if else if else...

archfan7411: hehehe

Th1nhNg0: Has anyone used machine learning yet?

Iugi: does anyone know how to read out the mana in java?

_NikJ: mana reading is be default done within a for loop for each player. You can replace it with 2 calls to readline, first one is always your own mana

archfan7411: that's what I did

_NikJ: Same, I'm ignoring opponent's mana, keeping my own

archfan7411: agreed, I have no use for opponent mana *yet*

archfan7411: I'm sure people have come up with bigbrain strategies for that though

Th1nhNg0: there is a lot of thing I didn't use, but still got to top 6 xD

Waffle3z: barely modified my wood 1 code, just made it wind spiders away from the base if they're within 2200

cclaude42: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/7dae54fd-cb47-47b6-ac60-b750ba22d645

cclaude42: ? I guess my message was too long for the discord lol

Waffle3z: can shield your opponent's hero and then wind spiders to their base without blowing the hero along with them so they can't catch up

archfan7411: you could do that yeah

Th1nhNg0: nice idea Waffle3z

cclaude42: TLDR: would like to go next level but can't find any good resources. Anyone has articles / videos on how to build a bot for things like this ?

Waffle3z: or wind their heroes away while spiders go towards their base, and then switch once they shield themselves

cclaude42: Struggling to connect the abstract concepts (MCTS, beam, genetic..) with the practical aspect of coding the bot.

archfan7411: I've found myself focusing moe on mana collection and sheer bug-killing rather than offense

archfan7411: *more

Bernard_Lowe: Can any code be executed after your hero action commands?

Waffle3z: for a game like this it's hard, something turn-based like chess is easier to simulate and apply tree searches

archfan7411: Bernard: yeah as far as I know

Aramang: cclaude42 I find it a lot easier to start by formulating the problem you want to solve with the bot, then find the algorithm that best matches it

struct: Yes but it will take time out of next turn

struct: I would probably not do it

SuspiciousWombat: Is it possible to start a new round in private clashs instead of always opening new ones?

Bernard_Lowe: k. I can probably dry run my commands to execute at the end instead then.

struct: What commands do you need to execute at the end?

Bernard_Lowe: I want to remember how many times I did X action on the current turn.

cclaude42: @Aramang I see. I do find it difficult to formulate as Waffle says, on an open game like this. I find it hard to know what even is a step in the right direction (past win / lose)

TobiasA: is it possible to shield your own hero

_NikJ: yes, TobiasA

_NikJ: I've seen players use it, but I haven't done it personally

TobiasA: ok thanks

TobiasA: is it possible to control your own hero

archfan7411: where would that ever be useful?

TobiasA: i dunno

_NikJ: is it possible to shield YOURSELF? Hero 0 casting a shield onto himself?

jacek: eeyup

archfan7411: Yeah you can shield your heroes

archfan7411: I see nothing in the manual thing which says you *can't* cast control on your own heroes

_NikJ: would be fun if you had to shield your hero by casting a spell from other heroes :D

archfan7411: hehe

Tuo: could be usefull if someone is wind spamming your hero away from defending base

Waffle3z: went from like 1700 to 1200 by adding a wind spell to the wood 1 code

Waffle3z: don't need 3 heroes defending anymore, time to send one over to annoy the opponent

MACKEYTH: When you control a monster, does it stay on the new course after the control is over?

archfan7411: Yes, as long as it isn't within 5000(?) units of your base

msumera: yes, unless it's in the base

Wontonimo: wow, I got pushed down to 1080th from 200th. There is quite the power escalation over the last 2 days

_NikJ: damn, and I thought my drop from 80th to 200th was a big deal

ZarthaxX: leaderboard always fluctuates a lot :P

Illedan: Can't have a solid leaderboard on 50 games

Illedan: and 3.8k players

_NikJ: ++++++++++

struct: they reduced it to 50 games?

Illedan: Yeah

Illedan: It's good

Wontonimo: some more leagues will clean that up

Illedan: I just wish I could get 50 games vs the top :P

dbf: silver is for tomorrow?

Illedan: Instead of 30 wins before anything fun in a submit

ZarthaxX: you are almost there illo

ZarthaxX: good stuff

Illedan: Just a bunch of IFs to counter all the cheeses

Wontonimo: glad to hear that works. i was thinking of doing that.

ZarthaxX: i thought you were going to say ga

ZarthaxX: it's walways GA for u

ZarthaxX: :P

dbf: ga + ifs > ga

ZarthaxX: Wontonimo spaghetti time?

ZarthaxX: dbf hehe tru

Illedan: Oh, yeah I have a GA too. Just not finished yet. Currently outfarming my main in the first 50 frames

Illedan: Just taking a break with more IF magic

struct: rank 1 or 2 are the same person?

ZarthaxX: ah good

ZarthaxX: thought the same struct

Wontonimo: my code is spaghetti with 3 noodles. it's really simple

ZarthaxX: do they do the same things on a game?

struct: no

struct: but same elo, same language, same company, same country

Nerchio: great minds think alike

Wontonimo: oh, i forgot about my smirf account for trying things. :thinking:

Illedan: Might be a person with schizofrenia

jacek: struct thats racist :v

_NikJ: suspiciously close elo :d

struct: jacek is gonna cancel me :(

therealbeef: 4 samsungs in top 20, must be coincidence

struct: I'm not making any accusations to be clear

struct: Was just wondering

ZarthaxX: struct rank 19 is also the same

struct: I didnt even noticed there were more people from the same company on top 20

ZarthaxX: weird haha

therealbeef: a simple explanation is that they used this game also for a samsung internal competition

therealbeef: *is = would be

ZarthaxX: true

therealbeef: we know it was used in amadeus internal hackathon, so why not more often

struct: it was used on 2

struct: EA and amadeus

Illedan: -.-

ZarthaxX: oh :(

TobiasA: damn I didn't know companies had internal competitions

Wontonimo: oh course they changed the rules and had different objectives :rolling_eyes: , they wouldn't just be lazy and use exactly the same each time

therealbeef: it's part of the business model of CG

ZarthaxX: Wontonimo :D

Astrobytes: *was

therealbeef: for EA apparently they used the exact same rules

jacek: they should have added swap rule at least

Astrobytes: they switched to escapes instead of internal hackathons

eulerscheZahl: hey, at least the changed the logo at the top center

Illedan: I think another logo is below that one :eyes:

therealbeef: i wondered if the old logo is underneath :-D

eulerscheZahl: joking aside, they did something: the SDK version is 4.1.6 which is the latest https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/main/pom.xml#L10

eulerscheZahl: it's so new even the docs don't go that far https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/25775/codingame-sdk-documentation/release-notes

eulerscheZahl: and my search bot can finally beat my 10 line if-else in some cases https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/622918275

eulerscheZahl: other times i just die with 3 spiders at my base :(

Illedan: https://www.codingame.com/replay/622934240

Illedan: hmm

_NikJ: Any attempt to use spells apart from wind to shoot enemies from the base resulted in dropping at least 5 elo points, wtf am I even doing

struct: Why did you lose?

Illedan: Me?

struct: yeah

struct: the end game screen doesnt tell me why

eulerscheZahl: less lives

struct: ah ok

Illedan: Because I didn't see any danger monster nearby and chased all monsters to the other side :P

eulerscheZahl: or: because he's 2nd that's what the endscreen tells you why :P

Illedan: xD

jacek: no Illedan, you should say "because I let him win"

Iugi: can a hero shield itself?

struct: yes

struct: euler use your PI skills to find if it was used on samsung too

Astrobytes: Euler P.I.

eulerscheZahl: hard to dig out anything about these private events

struct: I guess I can just ask

Tom1: yes, hero can shield itself

Astrobytes: Agent eπ

eulerscheZahl: P.I.-I. exp(π*i)

eulerscheZahl: or -1 for short

jacek: e^pi - pi

Astrobytes: :P

eulerscheZahl: that's almost 20 jacek, isn't it

jacek: :zipper_mouth:

eulerscheZahl: https://xkcd.com/217/

jacek: :upside_down:

Astrobytes: lol, still funny

Pieman: 8 lines of code and 21.5 score good ?

dbf: d'oh

dbf: "Only 1 executor running at the same time for a test session".

eulerscheZahl: https://xkcd.com/356/ another one of my favorites

eulerscheZahl: wait a minute or 2, will fix itself dbf

Astrobytes: mwahaha

jacek: about physicists i like this one https://xkcd.com/669/

ycsvenom: this is kinda fun https://xkcd.com/1411/

ZarthaxX: hahaha nice one eulerscheZahl

Tritex: what i have to do in this game

aCat: yep, like it

Tritex: wtf

aCat: but why mathematicians are worth more... :thinking:

Astrobytes: more focused?

archfan7411: when's the bronze league boss gonna be released?

Astrobytes: tomorrow when silver opens

archfan7411: nice, thanks

eulerscheZahl: mathematicians have a smaller field of interest

Astrobytes: see: more focused

eulerscheZahl: ok, i'll let that count: you beat me this time

Astrobytes: :D

jacek: id say optic physicists are more focused

Astrobytes: :smirk:

PatrickMcGinnisII: there are 3 types of people in the world, those that can count and those that can't

Wontonimo: there are 10 types of people in the world, those who know binary and those that dont

ZarthaxX: lol really good one

Ajaiy: I have heard that joke in numberphile

Wontonimo: there are 2 types of people in the world: 1 - Those who can work with incomplete information 2 -

Ajaiy: lol

JackMc: There's 2 types of people in the world, those who can extrapolate from an incomplete data set

Waffle3z: there are 0 types of people in this world:

Waffle3z: I had so much mana when I wasn't doing spells and now that I'm actually doing spells I never have any mana

Pieman: I had so mutch money but when I bought a house I never have any money

PatrickMcGinnisII: why did the blonde crash her car? she had to count to six

Wontonimo: i don't get it

Waffle3z: what

Ajaiy: Why did the AI basketball stop when it came near the edge of the court? Because it realized that it would run out of bounds/bounce anyway

PatrickMcGinnisII: :hand_splayed_tone2::point_up:

Wontonimo: I use my knee to hold the steering wheel

Wontonimo: I guess I'm a smart blond

struct: bad idea

PatrickMcGinnisII: r u a she?

PatrickMcGinnisII: cause i'm blonde too, so is my GF

jacek: super saiyans eh

Wontonimo: it's better than letting go of the wheel struct

jacek: use GA to drive

LaurensD: there is a source for the spring 2022, is it possible to run this offline?

Astrobytes: [solved]

PatrickMcGinnisII: she's an english teacher, i don't ask her to do math ... ever.

KingRavan: can anyone tell me how to print stock charts in java

Wontonimo: yes LaurensD

LaurensD: Wouid be nice to speed up the testings :P

Wontonimo: but you can only use the bots you've made or have code for

Astrobytes: yes, I would advise rewriting it though

Waffle3z: if a monster is controlled and sent outside the radius of a targeted base, will it stop targeting the base?

struct: I think so

aCat: yes

LaurensD: Yeah bots is not a problem, that would be great actually, but can I still use c# or wouldn't that be compatible; can't really find instructions to run it

Wontonimo: the attacking in this is fantastic https://www.codingame.com/replay/622959446

aCat: gest random dir

struct: Why random dir though?

struct: isnt the controlled minion supposed to go in that direction?

Wontonimo: hey LaurensD, there is this community tool called brutaltester https://github.com/dreignier/cg-brutaltester

Wontonimo: you can pit 2 bots against eachother using the command line. there is no UI, just game results

wlesavo: it keeps direction after control

struct: aCat I think after you controll a spider it will go in that direction forever

struct: unless someone controls it again

struct: or if its in base range

Wontonimo: it can be used to pit 2 different langs or 2 same langs against eachother LaurensD

Wontonimo: that's correct struct

LaurensD: Thanks, will take a look at that :)

Rddevelop: php or cobol

struct: c++

Rddevelop: funny, i also found c++ in some webs about worst programming languages

Rddevelop: i use php and it tops all lists xd

Wontonimo: there was a joke about php programmers and brains, but someone complained so I took it down ;(

Rddevelop: i think i justt saw that one, it was so funny

Rddevelop: https://www.searchabledesign.com/information/

Rddevelop: wait my bad https://searchabledesign.com/blog/post/10-worst-programming-languages

ProS: Guys, maybe you know. How can I find out if point is inside circle's sector? Writing about spring challenge. I want to divide base for 3 sectors and give each sector a knight, but I can't understand how to determine if bug inside specific sector

dbf: ProS, have a look at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13652518/efficiently-find-points-inside-a-circle-sector

DaNinja: distance(bug, base) < radius

Waffle3z: specifying that it is a sector is unnecessary, they can't be in a different part of the circle

MichExpatMatt: This is pretty straightforward too - but just remember to mind your degrees vs radians, and as far as sin and cos and angle goes, clockwise is considered the negative direction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHaFwnqH5CU&t=58s

MichExpatMatt: Personally I'm trying to figure out the sweet spot for using control to send a spider to the other base, vs not just handing them easy kills for wild mana farming

Pieman: printf("MOVE 400 400\n"); lifehack

Pieman: in c

KCrown: Now that I am better than the boss how long before I am promoted to bronze?

HoangH7: ASAP

Wontonimo: once all your battles are complete

KCrown: OK ... thanks ... just want to see the new rules inbronze

Pieman: can you get higher then bronze right now ?

MichExpatMatt: not yet

struct: no

Pieman: when will It be unlocked

struct: I think monday?

Pieman: aye ty

Astrobytes: struct sunday

struct: They are going to open it on a day off?

Astrobytes: or it was at least, 3pm GMT

Wontonimo: there are 2 new spells, shields and control. Nothing else. All your old code will work as-is KCrown

struct: They removed the date

HoangH7: Too lazy to join this time :(

Astrobytes: we'll see I guess

KCrown: thanks wontonimo

Wontonimo: :grin:

Wontonimo: submit the starter AI HoangH7

ycsvenom: is it right to make WIND in direction of center of screen?

Wontonimo: and then change it so that the bugs are sorted by distance to your base, then you'll be in either top wood 1 or bronze

Wontonimo: yeah, that works ycsvenom , but it's kinda an angle

Wontonimo: why not 45 degrees away from current hero ?

eulerscheZahl: why not towards the enemy base?

Wontonimo: even better

MichExpatMatt: I like to either point WIND at the center or at the opp's base. If using wind on an opp hero though, I want them away from my base as well as away from their base

ycsvenom: do i have enemy's base location?

eulerscheZahl: you can compute it

Wontonimo: it's the opposite corner, so just calculate it

MichExpatMatt: you can figure out from being the other base that's not yours

eulerscheZahl: one is at (0,0), the other at (17630,9000)

Wontonimo: enemyBase = maxX-myX , maxY-myY

ycsvenom: but does the game ensure that the base is either here or there?

ycsvenom: i mean top left and bottom right?

struct: yes

Astrobytes: nah, just randomly flips between them for s**ts and giggles

Astrobytes: :P

struct: Should have took some ideas from trolls vs castles

MichExpatMatt: you can figure out which side is yours vs theirs easily with an if/else though

Astrobytes: struct :D

Badoobicus: i want to do some debugging, i think i screwed something up with my vector math. how do I print something to the console without the game getting mad at me for invalid output?

ycsvenom: i know but i am just worried that it will change in the next leagues or something MichExpatMatt

Astrobytes: Badoobicus: print to stderr

struct: I heard it will change on last day

ycsvenom: which language are you using Badoobicus

ycsvenom: that's what i am talking about struct

Astrobytes: :smirk:

struct: I'm joking sorry

struct: The rules are final

ycsvenom: nooooooooooooooooo :joy:

MichExpatMatt: I don't expect the base coords to change - becvause I don't expect they will draw a new background, ergo I think the 2 bases will always be upper left and lower right

ashiknur: when the silver league will open?

struct: background.setScale(rand(2.0))

struct: done

Beresta: do the heroes attack if they use WIND this turn?

ycsvenom: they will do one thing each turn i think

Wontonimo: they attack anything they are near enough at the end of the turn

Wontonimo: attacking is automatic and always

Mergesort_Botnet: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/23609655635bd14475be5e72755243a593b1326

antiwonto: [auto] hey Mergesort_Botnet dont paste those links here. Use the channel #clash

Wontonimo: under "Action order for one turn" , step 5 Heroes attack monsters in range and produce mana for each hit.

TobiasA: when an entity is being controlled, by how much does it move in the given direction

TobiasA: ?

MichExpatMatt: I think it's one turns worth? so 400 for monsters, 800 for heroes

MichExpatMatt: it's in there somewhere I just don't remember for certain

Wontonimo: RTFM - it's all listed in the docs on the left

JulienKerlero: Hello there

JulienKerlero: I have a question for the CG experts

Astrobytes: just ask :)

JulienKerlero: Is functionnal programming a good way to go for the srping challenge ?

JulienKerlero: Cuz I feel like it might be

Astrobytes: if you are comfortable in functional programming then sure, why not?

Ajaiy: It depends on your algorithm

JulienKerlero: I sketeched a few lines in Python

Ajaiy: If it uses a lot of math, then functional programming might be good, and so on

ProS: Can I check locally to be on the other side of the base?

JulienKerlero: And I'm using a lot of filters and pure functions

Astrobytes: ProS: you mean swap position?

ProS: yes

Astrobytes: Use delete under your avatar/opp avatar and swap

Astrobytes: *swap sides

Astrobytes: bottom of the screen, center of IDE

struct: I had no idea that the bosses were public lol

Astrobytes: what?

struct: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/3297c5714be55f900028750e8ecb8b51d6aa4551/config/level1/Boss.java

ProS: Thank you man!

ProS: It worked, God bless you)

Kyraleese: hey guys, how do you follow someone from their user profile page ...? I see no follow button or anything like that

struct: you can check all of them on config folder

Astrobytes: lol, quality

Astrobytes: I didn't bother looking this time around

eulerscheZahl: i saw the bosses when i was looking for a certain function. github shows you references and definitions when you click on it. Boss.java was one of the definitions

eulerscheZahl: symmetricTruncate

aCat: yeah, Vector class is copied in Boss etc ;]

dbdr: which means github is not semantic enough

Astrobytes: "stupidityCountdown"

Astrobytes: ah, I only looked at the source offline

jrke: damn they have given default AI code in referee lol

struct: I think I found a "bug", have to test it further I guess

eulerscheZahl: bug in your bot or referee?

struct: ref

Ajaiy: #5 in Wood 1, hope it passes

eulerscheZahl: was never meant to be used for community, so less testing? :imp:

Ajaiy: Les gooooo

eulerscheZahl: stupid cat uses the litter box. she was outside 5min ago :/

eulerscheZahl: always makes a mess next to it as she loves to scrape

Astrobytes: my cat Princess does the same

Astrobytes: (the one not in the pic)

Astrobytes: (named by my sister I may add)

struct: actually no bug

MichExpatMatt: LOL this battle I'm watching, my opp names his guys Bob, Mark, and Steve

struct: Im surprised

eulerscheZahl: your younger cat

Astrobytes: older

eulerscheZahl: the discord profile pic

Astrobytes: no, both my pics are the same cat, Gizmo

Ajaiy: Hmm not bad

Ajaiy: my bot works in bronze too

Ajaiy: not that much though

SirLoxley: yeah, the wood#2 boss is kind of weak

SirLoxley: sorry wood#1

Astrobytes: Princess is black, with 2 white patches, and she had her turn being an avatar many years ago

eulerscheZahl: Gizmo - you know what comes next?

Astrobytes: don't I know it

eulerscheZahl: like the wechall admin

eulerscheZahl: except it's "Gizmore"

Astrobytes: haha indeed

eulerscheZahl: we had that convo a few times

Astrobytes: we did

Astrobytes: we're old, it's allowed

cegprakash: how to round the floating values in this game? ceil/floor/round ?

Astrobytes: ...

struct: worse than that

dbdr: shall we tell ceg?

struct: After an entity moves towards a point, its coordinates are truncated (when below halfway across the map) or rounded up (when above halfway across the map), only then are distance-based calculations performed (such as monster damage).

Astrobytes: too late

eulerscheZahl: Referee.java holds the answers for you

eulerscheZahl: you're welcome

cegprakash: eulerscheZahl didn't ask u if the answer is in referee. It's confusing that's why asking here in the first place

Astrobytes: it's in the statement AND the ref, surely that counts for something

Hamp: I'm getting an error that I have reached the limit of plays for a period of time. What is that period of time? I have waited an hour now

cegprakash: below halfway, above half way.. do I cut the map in half in y axis struct?

eulerscheZahl: there are multiple limits in place

eulerscheZahl: for 15min, 1h, 6h and such. i don't know the exact limits

Astrobytes: Hamp, very strict limits nowadays, take a rest for a bit and come back/work outside of the IDE - it's annoying AF I know

struct: thats a good question cegprakash

struct: I have no clue

eulerscheZahl: create a new account to get more plays

eulerscheZahl: or clone the git repo and run it offline

Astrobytes: or that, just don't submit it

eulerscheZahl: that can lead to disqualification

Hamp: thanks, I will just wait :)

Astrobytes: it's nice not having to use the alt to chat

Astrobytes: since we de-modded I mean

UndercoverToad: what do you mean?

Astrobytes: :D

Astrobytes: I had a feeling that was coming

eulerscheZahl: surprisingly many didn't see the link between these accounts

Hamp: hm

Astrobytes: not surprising tbh

Hamp: is something happening with codingame? Havent been active lately but yesterday I heard it might be the last competition and now that the limits are a lot stricter

ashiknur: Is anyone using AI algorithms?

Kyraleese: Hamp, heard from where, exactly?

Hamp: I don't remember, someone said it in chat. I took it as frustrated chatting rather than something confirmed, but just wondering where it comes from if that is the feeling in the community(which it might not even be, just some chatter like I said).

Astrobytes: Hamp: well, they were acquired by another company, the focus is kinda elsewhere (the business side obviously)

Astrobytes: Kinda inevitable as they got bigger tbh

Astrobytes: The other company was CoderPad, an American firm

eulerscheZahl: CodePad was the pacman and CG the pellet in the merger

Astrobytes: Hence 'acquired' ;)

eulerscheZahl: oh right, 5th word

Hamp: Astrobytes: Good to know, thanks :) Shame to see it happen but makes sense

eulerscheZahl: to be fair: the stricter time limits are there for a while

Astrobytes: AFAIK the community stuff will still remain, unsure about competitions as they are now etc but we'll just wait and see what happens

eulerscheZahl: more than a year

Astrobytes: Yeah, I think the past 2 contests?

Astrobytes: coding ones I mean, before this one

eulerscheZahl: let's check CG Bench commits to find out

Psyho: I thought CG had 50ms already when first competed (which was few years ago)

Psyho: or are you talking about different time limits?

Astrobytes: nah not the bot time limits, IDE plays

eulerscheZahl: how often you can play your code

eulerscheZahl: until you have to wait a while until the play button is enabled again

Psyho: ah, fine, I don't remember those - all I remember is considering writing a tool for automated testing

Psyho: are those limits published somewhere?

Hamp: The last competition I took part in before this one was the MOBA one with the lane and minion farming, no idea when that was but it was definitely a long time ago so the limits are "recent" for me :D

eulerscheZahl: some were running batches with automated tools - there is a public one. now it's less plays for everyone. limits are not public

VizGhar: I should create my own CG... with blackjack and hookers

Astrobytes: Interestingly it seems to have made little to no difference

eulerscheZahl: halite is open source. the full system, not just the game itself

eulerscheZahl: all you need is a server

Astrobytes: Hamp, that was a while ago

VizGhar: halite?

Waffle3z: some logic to send one hero over to bother the opponent was enough for top 400

eulerscheZahl: halite was another bot contest. happened 3 times. now we have Lux AI as its successor

Astrobytes: Are kaggle still running a halite?

eulerscheZahl: i don't even know

Astrobytes: yeah, I'm somewhat out of the loop too

eulerscheZahl: https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/lux-ai-2021/leaderboard submits are 5 months old

eulerscheZahl: and the toad won

ycsvenom: i was multiplying threat_level by threat_for%2 when the opponent suddenly throw a spider at my base and my heroes are just standing there :cry:

Waffle3z: wind stacks so that means it should be possible to send a spider from 6600 away directly into the opponent's base

Astrobytes: correct

kovi: luxai - kaggle playerbase seems totally different from cg/tc/atcoder/etc

Astrobytes: agreed kovi

eulerscheZahl: atcoder is another one of those sites i've never really tried

eulerscheZahl: last optim looked interesting, but only 4h duration

Psyho: they have a contest tomorrow

kovi: me neither but atcoders play cg and tc

eulerscheZahl: tomorrow is codejam day

Waffle3z: what are the goals of the new owners? do they plan on pushing all of us to alternate platforms?

dbf: kovi your defence-based bot looks very impressive in terms of wild mana, do you use sim already?

Psyho: optimization, 8am-12pm CET

Astrobytes: oh yeah, great timing codejam

eulerscheZahl: at that time i have a soccer match

Astrobytes: and I don't plan being awake before 10am

eulerscheZahl: sports => recover => codejam and the day is pretty much over

kovi: thx dbf...no sim yet

dbf: eulerscheZahl if you are not a goal-keeper you can code a bit during the match

Astrobytes: :rofl:

eulerscheZahl: how to make your teammates hate you 101

Astrobytes: how to get a head injury very quickly

DjTrilogic: how can i compile the refree and run it in command line ?

DjTrilogic: javac ?

kovi: thx psyho. cg and hashcode finals is enough for me these weeks

Psyho: oh yeah, hashcode finals

Astrobytes: good luck with hashcode finals you guys

eulerscheZahl: oh, that's next week already. good luck

Psyho: the contest where they put fit crappy problem that should be good for 7-day contest into 4 hour timespan

Astrobytes: indeed :D

eulerscheZahl: that's pretty accurate

dbf: codejam timing is not perfect - first was in the middle of the night :(

Psyho: somehow I liked reply contest better (but I'm biased on the results)

Astrobytes: I have yet to try it but euler and Ille say the same thing :D

eulerscheZahl: and no leaderboard to see your post-contest scores

Astrobytes: dbf: right?!

Psyho: similar to hashcode, same rules & style, but the problem was managable

eulerscheZahl: "thanks for the feedback, we will consider"

dbf: Astrobytes, round 1A

eulerscheZahl: hashcode => mostly heuristics reply => allows for some search usually

Astrobytes: dbf: yeah it was like 1 or 2 am for me!

eulerscheZahl: 3am - 5:30am for me

dbf: round 1B will be tomorrow in normal time, but I'll be in active cooking stage that time :(

eulerscheZahl: looking at the tasks i probably would have passed in 1A. but tomorrow is another chance

Astrobytes: it's not great timing for me either but I guess I will have to try

Psyho: you mean greedy right? since local search is heuristics as well

eulerscheZahl: yes, greedy

dbf: eulerscheZahl, oh if you are not sure about passing I'll not be sad that I'm missing it :)

eulerscheZahl: always the same. at least to qualify for finals a greedy is enough if you find the criterion by what to sort

dbf: based on qualification round I need x4 time :)

Psyho: to some extent it's true with, but there were plenty of times where you could squeeze iterative approach

Psyho: still the main problem is the 10+ page long problem statement

Psyho: and ton of complexity randomly put into different test cases

eulerscheZahl: yes, almost like completely different problems

Astrobytes: that's a bit silly isn't it?

eulerscheZahl: on the other hand topcoder marathons got more interesting recently IMO. asking for a clever idea and not just a highly optimized SA

FinnKrause:

Hello World

Psyho: this is fine design but... it's just adds to the complexity

Astrobytes: I wish I had bothered with the last one in restrospect euler

Psyho: TC improved their problems by a lot throughout the last few years

kovi: but its a team competition

Psyho: too bad the platform is beyond crap

cegprakash: lol hashcode was comedy this year :D no time lol

Astrobytes: lol not wrong Psyho

eulerscheZahl: MM135 finished about a month ago, still waiting for TCO leaderboard update :(

msumera: spent whole day on this, enough for today, i'm more than satisfied with 17th :)

Psyho: btw, regarding quality of the hashcode: https://twitter.com/FakePsyho/status/1496973852093685760

cegprakash: and the fun thing about google hashcode was the team who won was a russian team with name "Make love not war"

eulerscheZahl: saw that tweet, Illedan linked it

Psyho: tl;dr : there was a single test case that could solve optimall/near-optimally and it would completely dominate the rest of scoring

Psyho: we were few minutes late :/

kovi: yeah, saw that psyho and this year, the scoring system shows the individual test scores for others

ycsvenom: is there a way to order a specific hero to go to location not arbitrary one or the game is ordering heroes in respect to inputs order?

kovi: no more guesswork

Psyho: I don't like that aspect tbh

eulerscheZahl: i really like the idea of relative scoring as on TC. but maybe not a good fit for huge contests like hashcode, i see confused players already

criag: each hero has its own id

Psyho: we're probably going to hide all of our scores becaus of that

Astrobytes: ycsvenom: just choose your hero by id

ycsvenom: there is no id in move command

kovi: hiding: interesting, but makes sense for a rare special

eulerscheZahl: order of outputs ycsvenom

ycsvenom: thanks

Psyho: if you're leading, you're giving away a lot of information

Astrobytes: I was assuming you stored your heroes

ycsvenom: absolutely i stored them

kovi: yeah, but if another team reveals...

Psyho: but every 15 mins matter in such contests

Psyho: the sooner you have info about which tests are important, the better

Astrobytes: I output their moves like heroes[i]->best_move->print()

Astrobytes: so I keep track of their id and know which one is which

Psyho: with reply we performed well mostly, because we guessed correctly which tests are going to matter and we managed to have dedicated ppl for special cases

Psyho: (otherwise we don't really cooperate in any way)

ycsvenom: i processed with respect to monster not to hero Astrobytes

eulerscheZahl: and you have a strong team of topcoder legends

ycsvenom: i wanna be on your team eulerscheZahl :smiley:

eulerscheZahl: we tried to work on the same code for hashcode once. was a nightmare, never again

Psyho: that helps, but everyone is in a different timezone

Psyho: having shared codebase would help a lot, but then we would have to train on that

Psyho: too much preparation :)

Astrobytes: just make sure you know which one is which before you're printing ycsvenom either by ID or position in storage container and you'll be fine

eulerscheZahl: i spent more time on refactoring as i disagreed on how to store the input than actually solving the problem

ycsvenom: thanks Astrobytes

Astrobytes: was that when you did the live coding IDE-sharing thing euler?

Psyho: if you train together for long enough, you develop similar practices

eulerscheZahl: VS Code live-share

ycsvenom: i learned Clean coding before coding eulerscheZahl :smiley:

Astrobytes: yeah that

eulerscheZahl: also had a bug: i just scrolled down. it seemingly scrolled up again so i kept scrolling

Isaax: hello

eulerscheZahl: until illedan said "why do i have the same block of code 15 times?"

Astrobytes: yes I remember that

eulerscheZahl: then VS Code crashed

Astrobytes: :tada:

Psyho: oh, one thing that also helps is one person dedicated to test analysis

Psyho: finding special structure in tests etc

Illedan: When did I say that?

kovi: as the slowest coder, im the analysis and idea guy

eulerscheZahl: 2 years ago or so

Astrobytes: ages ago

Illedan: Oh

eulerscheZahl: fun times

Illedan: I have the same block of code 5 times now

Illedan: lol

Illedan: Checking the Max Id of monster on map

eulerscheZahl: but that's bad software design

Psyho: "idea guy" sounds like the most hated person on the team :D

struct: This symmetricTruncate must be the most annoying thing ive faced

Isaax: hello someone can tell me https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/skylines what is the validator 5?

Astrobytes: nope

Isaax: no problem then

eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/58362af7-de55-4626-9130-06eb05d0f381

Astrobytes: try posting in the forum help thread

Isaax: eulerscheZahl thanks

eulerscheZahl: oh, i shared the validator already

Astrobytes: so I see :smirk:

eulerscheZahl: good night

struct: gn

Astrobytes: see you tomorrow, sleep well

dbf: good night!

Illedan: gn

kovi: psyho, i rejected for a long time based on being slow...than accepted invitation few years ago

Astrobytes: I would reckon that a kovi on the team would be beneficial regardless

einaj: wow, I optimized a few parameters and suddenly jumped up 100 ranks. Sometimes just a small change in stuff like the heros "resting" positions can really mean a lot

Psyho: I feel that everyone believes that they are slow

Psyho: usually everyone is slow when coding something non-trivial

Astrobytes: Unsurprising given the level of the competition

KiwiTae: Astrobytes o/

KiwiTae: the polar bear is nowhere to be seen :(

Astrobytes: KiwiTae :hugging: ah he was here earlier

KiwiTae: reallyyyyy

ZarthaxX: KIWOOO

ZarthaxX: im here :P

Astrobytes: see!

ZarthaxX: got summoned

ZarthaxX: just lurking

dbf: tried to add attacker and now loose to my previous version in ~100 moves :(

Astrobytes: dbf: come on, if it worked first time it just wouldn't be the same

tantheman: WAZZA

KiwiTae: so far I got a bot crashing when he sees a spider :grin:

darkhorse64: pure arachnaphobia

ycsvenom: maybe he's just afraid

Astrobytes: darkhorse64 :wave:

tantheman: onions

Astrobytes: are you in need of medical assistance or something?

tantheman: yep

AngXinhGai: hello

struct: hi

tantheman: ghana provides bananas

Astrobytes: I think someone needs to go to youtube or something

RobinV: rens

cegprakash: threat_for is not at all useful lol..

cegprakash: threat is off for a long time

struct: why not?

struct: its not

cegprakash: do we get threat on as soon as monsters spawn?

cegprakash: and comes into fog?

struct: if you can see him yes

l10r: does turn time includes the time I get the imput?

Astrobytes: it begins after you read the first input

Astrobytes: so start your timer then

l10r: ok thanks

struct: I dont even know if this behaviour is intended

struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623090424

struct: Check turn 23

struct: When I use control

struct: Its snaps back to the game zone

struct: :p

struct: my control spell was supposed to be full up

LaurensD: Looks like a ultimate troll to me

jacek: isnt out of game evaluated as last?

Astrobytes: interesting

struct: yes jacek

struct: but is more about how it snaps to the game zone

struct: despite being already outside of it

struct: as you can see wind has a different behaviour https://www.codingame.com/replay/623093841

struct: So if I check which spiders are in my base radius i must check if they are inside the game zone

cegprakash: omg hero order is random in input

cegprakash: I've to sort by ID before storing

cegprakash: this is so bad

criag: ooof

TobiasA: it seems this game has a lot of bug:wink:

struct: it is?

TobiasA: you see what i did there

ZarthaxX: bug = spiders

ZarthaxX: :P

ZarthaxX: struct is confuised

Kukiss: struct, was this wind with vector 'up'?. The animation looks like it is going a bit to the left.

struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623094880

struct: this one is correct

cegprakash: I always command hero1 to pos1 and and hero2 to pos2 but somehow they swap their position in some random turns

cegprakash: coz heroes are swapped in input

struct: The wind one works fine

struct: Its described to be like this

struct: I was just confused about control

Kukiss: thanks for 2nd replay.

tantheman: ayo sub to my twitch

TheCockmaster: no

Astrobytes: tantheman <--- struct

struct: change your names

Astrobytes: c**kmaster yeah but the other is just spamming

Kyraleese: ugh, my motivation keeps dropping for this

cegprakash: okay it's not the heroID issue.. the distance issue..

cegprakash: my bad

cegprakash: bad coding I think

Astrobytes: Ballmer peak achieved, time to do something interesting

Astrobytes: see ya later

Waffle3z: I submitted a while ago and my rank keeps climbing, looks like everyone else is getting worse over time

Waffle3z: at this rate I'll be 1st in a couple days

WannaBeHum1n: need this kinda confidence in my life

Kukiss: you countered the future meta? :D

Waffle3z: currently in 322, not using shields at all yet

Waffle3z: once I do then I'm out of ideas and can resume imagining how to get useful depth from a simulation

SabertheLost: When is silver released?

msumera: tomorrow\

jacek: by heating silver oxide

SabertheLost: ok, nice. increased from 600 to 155 by only using wind spells

Ketroc: just defending and WINDing will win a lot through wild mana victories

SabertheLost: yeah, but you need to get the wild mana for the scoring.

andrefpoliveira: defending and winding and I'm 264 :)

struct: Nice

struct: I didnt believe it at first when someone said that they sim 8000 turns to see if a mob is a threat or not

Scarfield: o0

struct: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/3297c5714be55f900028750e8ecb8b51d6aa4551/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Referee.java#L913

Wontonimo: that's just silly

Scarfield: then this for (int idx = 0; idx < basePositions.size(); ++idx)

VizGhar: what? o.O

VizGhar: silly indeed

struct: I'm sure there is some geometry stuff

struct: to check if a line intercepts a circle

struct: or something

Illedan: LOL

Illedan: that code

Scarfield: sounds impossible struct, nobel prize winning difficulty

VizGhar: for 8000 angles? :P there is for loop inside :D

LostDragon: anyone else having troubles with playing ide code leading to unreproductible timeouts?

struct: are you starting the timer on the right spot?

Q12: Scarfield I'm just working on it, think I found a way

Scarfield: :o

yhyoxx: i thought it was isThreat()=>direction.intersects(base)

VizGhar: If it's working...

LostDragon: I have had timeouts at 5 different turns depending on the replays i did, all with the same seed, and 2 of which with an ai strait from the arena that seemed to work for the whole afternoon

struct: LostDragon how much time are you using per turn?

VizGhar: or you didn't end your output with newline

cegprakash: I just added something crazy :D

cegprakash: I get crazy farm now

jacek: :scream:

cegprakash: what jacek

VizGhar: he lost his mind from your crazyness

cegprakash: so beautiful to watch my bot xD

cegprakash: at elast the defenders

msumera: show the replay then :)

cegprakash: anyone has a seed with too many monsters

cegprakash: I'll share replay

cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/623154011

cegprakash: check last 70 turns

cegprakash: crazy defense with 2 heroes

cegprakash: while my attacking hero does nothing ;P need to improve

VizGhar: one shield and your defense is dead :P

cegprakash: lol

cegprakash: true

iTsluku: move 214 top right is funny

iTsluku: hahaha

msumera: you could also let them come a bit closer in the beginning and save some mana :)

VizGhar: cegprakash just random play against you :P https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/623157378

cegprakash: lolx

cegprakash: both my defenders sux

cegprakash: lol

cegprakash: nice strat

cegprakash: how are u only 315 with this strat

cegprakash: looks legit

Nerchio: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623158827 just random play against you VizGhar

VizGhar: Nerchio I wasn't flexing :D

PatrickMcGinnisII: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623158858

PatrickMcGinnisII: interesting

cegprakash: guys wait for my shield

cegprakash: -_-

cegprakash: wait for my attacker to improve

VizGhar: :D gogo

msumera: ok, me too https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/623159953

Nerchio: VizGhar bugs walk into your base like its their home

WannaBeHum1n: wait 4 me to get top 1 with a peaceful run

iTsluku: Nerchio u are top100 with only defense? lul

VizGhar: Nerchio its bot from first day of contest

Nerchio: iTsluku yeah offense is overrated

PatrickMcGinnisII: i dropped 500 rank overnight

PatrickMcGinnisII: gonna see if i can get them back

iTsluku: Nerchio i found a bug on your end

iTsluku: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623163395

Nerchio: yeah I just introduced this

Nerchio: already fixed submitting again

Nerchio: now you can lose without me crashing

cegprakash: I fixed my attack

cegprakash: now give replays if u guys dare :P

msumera: ok, just wait a minute

Nerchio: you need to be in top 1000 cegprakash i think

cegprakash: 1 sec

cegprakash: check now I'm in top 1000 now

cegprakash: refresh leaderboard

msumera: ok, it's running

cegprakash: my attacker is kinda bad against 3 defenders

cegprakash: it'll be nice to compare against ppl with 1 attacker, 2 defenders

cegprakash: coz mine is 1 attacker, 2 defender

msumera: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/623167342

Nerchio: how about you stop bugs from walking into your base first

msumera: i also have 1 attacker, 2 defenders

JaredH: all attackers

Tuo: is it possible to check if your hero is/was under control with the isControlled parameter?

cegprakash: msumera ty I think I need to add more wind :P

Tuo: im trying but it never triggers

msumera: your attacker could also control them to come into my base range

msumera: i also noticed i have a lot of bugs with incorrect spells

msumera: need to fix that tomorrow

DjTrilogic: has anyone tried to generate the json result and put it in the server's file to speed up the simulation ?

DjTrilogic: i'm getting a weird error: The cacheId "$0" does not exist in TextureCache.

PatrickMcGinnisII: got my rank back, but yall need to stop working so hard, i'm barely keeping up

Greg237: @cegprakash I believe your attacker would be a bit more efficient by using WIND on groups of monsters instead of shielding them individually.

cegprakash: @Greg237 I'm just trying butcher2013's meta

cegprakash: he lead bronze for over a day

Greg237: Well, if I remember well, Butcher's not only using the shield.

Greg237: But anyway, it's indeed a good strategy trying to reproduce what the top 1 is doing. ;-)

cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/623172335 did this guy just use 3 attackers and won against me lulul

cegprakash: some ppl are crazy

msumera: lol, the wind cannon

cegprakash: turn 77 he went savage

cegprakash: he done with the boring defense

Einbroch: that kind of cheese is easily counterable lol

msumera: if you know what he might do

msumera: no one expects that 3 defenders will just go and shoot monsters to base from 7000 distance

Einbroch: if you have a good defense you clearly can see it coming

Einbroch: 10 mana to avoid it is cheap compared to the price the opponent pays (loss)

cegprakash: he saw I was defending his base by stealing his monsters and he came for 3 member attack lul

cegprakash: crazy

msumera: i don't think anyone has defence good enough to counter that now

msumera: but its easy to counter that just by counter attacking, the base has no defenders

cegprakash: he came in fog

cegprakash: :P

cegprakash: and suddenly bang

Tuo: to my previus question if "isControlled" works for own heroes: it does but because you are under control you cant do shit on that turn, need to wait for next to shield :)

antiwonto: [auto] Tuo be respectful and watch your language https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct

Einbroch: @Tuo or next turn's next turn if your opponent keeps controlling you lol

Tuo: oh didnt think of that. what is the counter? or they can just escort any hero across the map?

VizGhar: prevention Tuo :)

msumera: escorting you across the map means that basically both you and the enemy doesn't have a hero, and additionally he loses mana

msumera: so it's not that good

LaurensD: what! you can use control on enemy heroes?

LaurensD: interesting

msumera: yep, it's working pretty good against defenders

Rag: when does silver open?

Audatic: tomorrow in about 20 hours

Audatic: probably more like 16

BrunoFelthes: is there any way to calculate the max allowed distance without use square root or sin/cos to improve the performance?

Rag: ty

LostDragon: don't do square root, just compare square distances

BrunoFelthes: but i want to find the point where is the max distance, not if is inside the max distance

LostDragon: the greatest distance from a certain point?

Psyho: just add 1 while you're inside the max distance, problem solved

BrunoFelthes: for example, my hero is at the 0,0, and i move it to 1000, 1000, but he will not move to it, it will move a max of 800, where is this point

jacek: do you use search to need optimization?

jacek: doubt sqrt is bottleneck there

BrunoFelthes: how can i calculate the final point?

ArnoCo: Why is no one in Silver?

BrunoFelthes: yes jacek

VizGhar: BrunoFelthes x = 800*cos(); y=800*sin()

BrunoFelthes: but cos() and sin() is very expense... no optimization here?

jacek: precaculate them :?

VizGhar: ... well precompute all 360 values

LostDragon: you seem to be looking for this google search: normalize vector without square root i should've remembered that one earlier

BrunoFelthes: and limit to move only 1'

BrunoFelthes: fair enough

VizGhar: for (angle : 0..359) sin[angle] = sin(angle)...

LostDragon: quake had an algorithm for lightning fast square root computations

Waffle3z: fast inverse square root

Psyho: the improvement was huge but for very old architecture

Psyho: (and imprecise)

VizGhar: precompute all square roots!!!

MAKMED1337: how long to wait to be promoted to next league ?

iTsluku: my top left start win% are so much better wtf

VizGhar: you forgot mirror something :P

iTsluku: @MAKMED1337 idk its kinda random

iTsluku: dont see it tho

xMizar: Hi all, do we have anyone from Codingame team here? I think i found a bug with Wind spell

xMizar: Would like to discuss it

RECEBA: Can someone please tell me how do I start moving the players, Im using JS

ganbat24: Examples: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/44521be0-6f4f-4576-a916-d1301cdc5de0

cegprakash: BrunoFelthes: MOVE followed by two integers (x,y): the hero moves 800 towards the given point.

BrunoFelthes: i know, but to simulate, i need to calculate the exact point

ganbat24: at mos

cegprakash: BrunoFelthes use the symmetrical truncate function in referee it's pretty simple to copy paste

BrunoFelthes: it uses sqrt, no?

cegprakash: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/2288b1ba-dfa4-410e-9843-66b5e8bd862a

cegprakash: I use this

BrunoFelthes: i used it, and he normalize, and to normalize, the referee use the length, that use the sqrt...

LaurensD: Haha this guy https://www.codingame.com/replay/623202853

ganbat24: bruh how did u loose to that guy?

LaurensD: don't have shields plus all are on my base at the moment lol

cegprakash: lol sc2_viag is like "U shall not pass"

JohnyDaison: Is Silver finally open or still not?

archfan7411: Not yet AFAIK

sc2_viag: Am I? lol Testing a few things :D

ganbat24: nope they were not all there 1 was at base

LaurensD: silver opens in 20 hours from now; as far I have recently heard

ganbat24: i didnt have time to use wind ;(

ganbat24: Guess ill try it for a couple hours after kickstart

ganbat24: How to create text messages mid game?

ganbat24: on top of my hereos

archfan7411: append them to the end of commands

archfan7411: e.g. SPELL WIND 100 100 Yay

ganbat24: oooh okay

avdg: hmm not sure how well other ai's are here, but mine does almost everything in less than 1 ms or even half a ms each turn

avdg: and after fixing a bug, it's reaching around rank 500 (ai is still not using some spells)

Thibauld: Does anyone know the speed of the heroes?

Davidceto: 800

Davidceto: per turn

Thibauld: Thanks

avdg: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/c481d8fcaafbba9e4dbf767ee4d0b4040d088938/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Configuration.java#L15

ycsvenom: anyone has a blank screen when they make a test?

ycsvenom: i tried to refresh the page with ctrl+f5 but it didn't work

avdg: did you open the developer tools and look for js errors?

ycsvenom: this is the major error

ycsvenom: TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'resize')

avdg: Hmm, the most severe error I've got is `Possibly unhandled rejection`

avdg: I see no other major errors here otherwise though

ycsvenom: i have that one too

ycsvenom: in the last line it said 'Possibly unhandled rejection'

avdg: Do you use chrome or firefox?

ycsvenom: chrome

avdg: recent? (I'm on firefox, so dunno if there are specific bugs)

ycsvenom: it worked before just half hour

avdg: and it's just the canvas that broke?

ycsvenom: yes

avdg: may be video driver related, otherwise I don't know

avdg: worst case, computer restart (yeah sounds drastic, but had done it a few times in the past)

VizGhar: You have these problems often right ycsvenom?

avdg: maybe browser restart may be enough, dunno

ycsvenom: no this is the first time VizGhar

avdg: and maybe there was a server update (though, if you didn't refresh the page...)

ycsvenom: i can't do that avdg

VizGhar: really? there were somebody with similar error... without solution

VizGhar: *was

ycsvenom: i refreshed it already with ctrl+f5

avdg: mostly, when I have video driver related issues, youtube also stops working

Nerchio: it's kinda stupid you can't push on y = 0 or x =0 vector when monster is also y = 0 or x = 0

ycsvenom: btw frames still loading even the output still running the only thing that isn't working rn is the canvas

Ch3oul: Hello guys, when will the silver league open?

avdg: Soon I guess, it's mostly only max a few days after the opening

avdg: I've seen some bugs with displaying the opening date, they probably removed the date in the user interface for now

Nerchio: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623238782 120turn+ wtf?

struct: you are using wind a bit to the top

struct: which makes the spider hits the top

struct: and since its 0

Nerchio: what do you mean, I cast for y=5

struct: ah

Nerchio: trying to push it away

struct: but your hero

struct: is not at 0

struct: your hero y

Nerchio: I thought it didnt matter where my hero is

struct: it does

struct: its in relation to your hero position

Nerchio: ok time to go back to the drawing board

ycsvenom: VizGhar it worked now chrome suddenly has a new update i don't why it has that weird behavior before updating

Husoski: My first competition and my first clean compile/test bot just made it to bronze. This is all simple if/else logic. When does serious AI become necessary?

BrunoFelthes: huahauhua

BrunoFelthes: are you top 10?

Kukiss: For the moment a Bronze is the highest league.

So you can choose to play against current top players in your IDE and try your luck ;)

VizGhar: Husoski good job. You made heuristic bot. You can use it to simulate opponent movements and write serious AI that beats your heuristic...

VizGhar: that's sometimes how it works :) you can write GA/SA algos to find best step in order to hit most mobs at once. You can write BFS/Beam to select one step from your "collection of allowed steps" and so on

VizGhar: But if this is your first competition, I doubt, you will move far from if/else statement :)

Kellthazar: That's was a bait I think... XD

Kukiss: I see that 34 lvl now..

Husoski: VizGhar Thanks for the suggestion. It feels more like "basic strategy" than "heuristic", though. I wen't and looked at the intro video later and found I was doing some of the same stuff as he was.

Husoski: Kukiss --- lots of puzzles solved to get that 34, not competitions.

VizGhar: bait? why? I just answered... I'm if/elsing too right now...

VizGhar: But will for sure use some optim algo later on (if there will be some time)

VizGhar: seeing how I'm missing good hits

Kellthazar: No from you VizGhar, just kidding also :D

Westicles: the dumb guys who try hard usually get stuck in silver

Husoski: Dang! Fog of war *helped* my strategy!

VizGhar: yup... I'm mid gold guy by default :) I know algos, but can't use them properly :D

Kukiss: Husoski, competitions are the best. Even if don't get high ranks, it is nice to take part in a challange every1 talks about here. Good you tried :)

Kukiss: Husoski, competitions are the best. Even I if don't get high ranks, it is nice to take part in a challange every1 talks about here. Good you tried :)

Westicles: this one is good for the little guy... not just a mcts rollout competition

struct: The vx and vy are only updated 2 turns after the control spell is casted?

struct: but the isThreat is updated 1 turn after?

struct: seems a bit of a mess

m7sn: how do i do this

VizGhar: finally got 2 hrs to code something... I wonder how much I'll drop in ladder :P

Kellthazar: i think that I got some improvement on my algorithm... but I'm afraid to push it to the arena :D

VizGhar: meh... you got 11 days dont be scared

VizGhar: You will see how the situation will saddle after gold boss introduction

struct: VizGhar do you know if what I described is intended

struct: Its a bit strange

VizGhar: ah... sry I've not deep dived into sources

struct: its fine

struct: I'll make a forum post asking

struct: Because it doesnt make much sense that one updates and other doesnt

VizGhar: CONTROL spells are applied to the targets and will only be effective on the next turn, after the next batch of commands. SHIELD spells are applied to the targets and will only be effective on the next turn, after the next batch of commands. Does not protect from a spell from this same turn.

struct: yeah

struct: but threat_for is updated

struct: despite vx and vy still remaining the same

VizGhar: very strange hmm

struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/60f560ee-1a02-4157-8d13-bd9d5336fdbd

struct: these are the inputs but I'll make a post

VizGhar: :thumbsup:

VizGhar: I didnt take days off for this contest. I was painting half a day :P No way I can help with technical details... I'll go nearly pure heuristic

cegprakash: WIND animation is 2 seconds?

cegprakash: 2 turns?

struct: no?

struct: its 1 turn cegprakash

struct: its instant

cegprakash: I mean the animation duration

struct: its 1 frame

cegprakash: it look like after we use WIND first turn only pushes half distance then half distance in next turn

struct: nah

JulienKerlero: I feel stuck

cegprakash: may be we get wrong velocity when we use wind

cegprakash: instead of 1200 we get smaller velocity then

cegprakash: like 400

struct: you dont get velocity at all

struct: because its casted between 2 turns

cegprakash: when we blow wind it's velocity becomes 0 for a turn?

struct: it wont impact next vx or vy

struct: during the wind only

struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623287478

cegprakash: say I print WIND next turn the position I get in input would be position + velocity + 1200 and the new velocity will be 0?

struct: look at frame 21 and 22

struct: I casted wind 1000 6570

struct: the spider 13 x will go from -330 to 1870

ycsvenom: how do people change nametag

struct: On your profile

ycsvenom: it will be perfect for testing

cegprakash: debugger only show position not velocity

struct: the velocity doenst change at all

struct: unless you pushed it into a basew

struct: or outside the base

ycsvenom: which profile?

struct: your profile

ycsvenom: i mean hero nametag

struct: ah

struct: just cout << "WAIT message" << endl;

struct: space after command and then the message you want

ycsvenom: the last parameter would be the message?

struct: yes

ycsvenom: thanks

ycsvenom: what is the maximum league rn?

JulienKerlero: bronze

ycsvenom: so i am in the maximum one is it good that i am 1492nd?

JulienKerlero: depends on you lol

ycsvenom: that hurts

Enknable: its good to stay in the front of the pack. I think

Enknable: lots of heuristics so you can be closer to the emerging "meta"?

JulienKerlero: I would be happy in the top 200

Enknable: but eventually the Legends just gonna start dropping Terminator level shit

antiwonto: [auto] Enknable be respectful and watch your language https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct

JulienKerlero: but i'm far

Enknable: stuff*

ycsvenom: what are you using rn?

SNick123: This is fun

Einbroch: shit shit shit shit @antiwonto deal with it

antiwonto: [auto] Einbroch be respectful and watch your language https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct

Einbroch: :cop:

Phibonacci: Can we fight our friends or do we both need to be top 1000 for that?

Enknable: same league I think

Phibonacci: The three of us are in Bronze but we can't see each other.

Phibonacci: 2 of my friends could fight each other yesterday when they were both top 1000, so we assumed it might be a strange restriction

struct: yeah need to be 1000th

struct: of same league

Enknable: dang

ycsvenom: i am 1400 in bronze

ycsvenom: i can't get better

ycsvenom: what's your rank struct?

MACKEYTH: You can do it!

Kukiss: You still have a plenty of time

struct: 1860

struct: I havent coded anything yet

struct: No motivation

ycsvenom: you are waiting for silver or gold ?

struct: I dont know yet

ycsvenom: no i can't MACKEYTH

ycsvenom: I TRIED

JohnyDaison: I used to be around rank 600. I kept working on my code and now I'm like 1100. :D

MACKEYTH: High five. I'm in the same boat.

ycsvenom: wonderful JohnyDaison :joy: work hard more and you will be at 1600

Kukiss: Finally! gave my units a Wind spell and it kinda works in defense.

Now Im afraid to push to arena, cuz I am 600 :P

ycsvenom: 1498 before wind 1360 after wind so i say push it if you are sure about your wind implementation

cr1: this i a cool website tbh

ycsvenom: you made it cool after you got in cr1

struct: Kukiss on 600th you should be safe

struct: for promotion

Kukiss: ok, cool

ycsvenom: can i challenge specific one ? so i can send it's parameters to IDE and debug on it

ycsvenom: like challenging the first from beginning

JohnyDaison: yes

ycsvenom: how?

JohnyDaison: just delete the the one that DOESN'T say IDE CODE from Players

JohnyDaison: then add who you want

mybk: you can also, check your last battles and debug a specific battle by clicking on show «the battle» and click the «Send Game PArametesrs To IDE»

cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/623319703 omg

cegprakash: butcher2013 always butch me

struct: xD

cegprakash: I was in shock lol

cegprakash: last 20 turns

JohnyDaison: Why si your attacker not moving?

struct: no mana

struct: it only seems to use wind

ycsvenom: i don't to check my last battles i want to challenge the first one and debug on that game

cegprakash: JohnyDaison he likes to chill

cegprakash: lol

Ajaiy: cegprakash are you in Bronze league?

cegprakash: aye aye Ajaiy

JohnyDaison: ycsvenom did you manage to do it or were my instructions unclear?

cegprakash: after 100 turns expectations = 300+ mana like Butcher.. Reality => 10 mana

MACKEYTH: Oh. That worked pretty well. :)

MACKEYTH: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623328305

Glyptod0n: so you can't control which hero to commit the action by using their id huh

JohnyDaison: you control that by the order of actions

Ketroc: na, but if you keep them in an ordered list it shouldn't be an issue

MACKEYTH: The first order you give goes to the first of your heroes in the entity list, the second to the second, and the third to the third

Glyptod0n: thanks

struct: the entity order given of the lists is ordered right?

struct: entity order of the heroes*

MACKEYTH: Yes

struct: ty

Ajaiy: wait what

Ajaiy: How do i share replays?

Ajaiy: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623333340

cr1: https://prnt.sc/MGerNLnCXa9y like how i can do that XD

Ajaiy: I'm super confused

Ajaiy: Is this a bug or am I not realizing something?

struct: What is a bug Ajaiy?

Ajaiy: I scored more mana than Astrobytes in the replay (it shows like that) but it says that AStrobytes won

Ajaiy: https://www.codingame.com/replay/623333340

Glyptod0n: their wild mana is greater than yours

Ajaiy: ohhhh i get it

Glyptod0n: In case of a tie, you have gained the highest amount of wild mana: mana gained outside the radius of your base.

Ajaiy: so wild mana is mana remaining + mana used?

struct: no

Glyptod0n: no, please see Victory Conditions section

struct: its mana you collected from the enemies you attack with your heroes that are outside your base

Ayza: how do you print without interfering with the program execution?

Ajaiy: okay

Ajaiy: thanks

struct: print to stderr

struct: default code should tell you how

Ayza: alright thanks

JohnyDaison: I feel like they made the documentation too inconspicuous under that game window, people don't seem to be reading it much.

struct: Some documentation is confusing though

JohnyDaison: I finally added an attacker, let's see me drop another few hundred ranks...

JohnyDaison: Nope, I'm back to top 1000. Yay!

ClockSort: congrats

Ajaiy: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/623337474

Ajaiy: JohnnyDaison Thanks for the extra help

JohnyDaison: Yeah, the attacker needs a bit more work...