Delnordicia: 168.04.02.01.01
Delnordicia: oops
Stephen10121: lol
Stephen10121: is that ipv4?
Hamid2--0: yo
Hamid2--0: hello everyone
NickSaidSomethingWonderful: is there any trailer for this competition?
VizGhar: nope. but you can check any movie you like :P
Bernard_Lowe: coding game day is almost here. I need a hype video.
weebiss: hi
Bernard_Lowe: For anyone who needs a hype video b/c there is one. Re-watch pac-man trailer and imagine it's for tomorrow :)
derjack: :upside_down:
derjack: https://i.redd.it/e0eptfheiow51.png
DJMysteriousLampshade_40e1: golem
evak: What are the different leagues in competitions? I know wood, bronze, silver, and gold, what comes after that?
Frankich: Legend
evak: Thanks
Drageas: https://www.codingame.com/home
Drageas: Coc00087
Uljahn: no spam here
Darleanow: Hello Uljahn :)
Uljahn: hi
Aa.spy: hellllllo
Darleanow: guys need help
Darleanow: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/b990c9d1-7470-46b5-899b-13114f6e2a29
Darleanow: trying to use recursive function
Darleanow: it returns the error :EX9.c:2:5: warning: type of 'a' defaults to 'int' [-Wimplicit-int]
int findN(a){
^Chat Log (talk) 05:29, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Darleanow: when i try to compile it
DaNinja: int findN(int a)
PatrickMcGinnisII: it wants you to typecast
DaNinja: and you probably mean to return findN(a+(n-1));
PatrickMcGinnisII: and n is not a global variable...so function should always just return a, because n isn't set
DaNinja: true, n is undefined
PatrickMcGinnisII: and making n=a before the scanf does nothing
PatrickMcGinnisII: google a recursive GCD function for a better idea of what you may be trying to do
PatrickMcGinnisII: it's some kind of sum of series from 1 to a^2, i can only guess
Hanad: helo
Hanad: i am quite humble.
Hanad: n = 1
Hanad: for(int i = 0; i<int32.MaxValue
ycsvenom: i solved a clash with the wrong idea and got 100% :smiley:
ycsvenom: 5DN1L i texted someone here about something important
but the important half of the conversation has been hided (or deleted), is there anyway to restore it?
5DN1L: ??? I'm not sure what you mean
5DN1L: in the forum?
5DN1L: PM?
5DN1L: oh if you mean private chat, the older history is gone
5DN1L: i don't think you can recover it
VizGhar: You can't recover messages lost in this chat i believe
VizGhar: 5DN1L will you attend this contest?
5DN1L: i will, though i won't spend a lot of time on it :)
pepper08: Hellooo wooorld!
ycsvenom: yes i mean PM's
sadly 5DN1L
Westicles: new versions of python and c++ just showed up
Westicles: g++ (Debian 11.2.0-20) 11.2.0
Westicles: Python 3.9.12
ycsvenom: is it minor fixing or there is something new?
Westicles: I think they are just updating some in time for the contest
ycsvenom: you mean in this site
i thought you meant globally :sweat_smile:
VizGhar: yey... email from CG :)
VizGhar: links not working yet
ycsvenom: why did you pixelate your profile picture VizGhar?
VizGhar: ycsvenom H4ck3rm4n :D
PatrickMcGinnisII: The AI in the coffee machine doxxed him
VizGhar: just a personal choice nothing fancy
ycsvenom: should i do some forensics on the image >_< VizGhar
VizGhar: go ahead ycsvenom
mester_x: İ NEED EXAMPLE BOOST CODE
mester_x: hello world !!
5DN1L: no all caps please
5DN1L: what programming language do you use?
mester_x: python
5DN1L: print(target_x, target_y, "BOOST")
mester_x: thankYou
5DN1L: no problem
cagriy: hello from turkey
BijoBintu: Hello from UAE
AstroGamingFound: .
derjack: Automaton2000 are you hyped?
Automaton2000: and i am a hacker
Astrobytes: "oh my"
derjack: ah your
Astrobytes: :bullettrain_front: - hypehypehype
emreyilmaz42: where are u from in turkey cagriy
PatrickMcGinnisII: 1 hrs 43mins to juice up
derjack: and crash the server
peerdb: lets goooooo
struct: its starting earlier than usual?
[CG]Thibaud: I believe the SC2021 started at the same time. Been 2 or 3 times that we start at 2pm UTC on Thursdays
[CG]Thibaud: and hello :)
struct: ah ok, hi
struct: Will there be an introduction video like last time [CG]Thibaud ?
[CG]Thibaud: yes
struct: nice
[CG]Thibaud: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2022-bugs-questions/195480
struct: oh even a pdf with rules
struct: nice
Astrobytes: no c++20 ! :o :P
Astrobytes: great news on the PDF
mag.py: No Rust update? :slight_frown: Do you not use rustup? Should make it very easy to do.
Astrobytes: perhaps there are breaking changes, or some other issue
[CG]Thibaud: that's the only one we might try. Looked a bit too big for just last minute, but could be ok. Focus on "might"
mag.py: Can't think of anything recent. Rust tries very hard to be 100% backwards compatible.
Astrobytes: [CG]Thibaud: so there won't be a C# update even post-contest? And hi :)
[CG]Thibaud: I don't think so. Highly depends on CG for Work needs now, not much on community's :(
Astrobytes: Oh, that's a shame :(
mag.py: @Thibaud Rust or C++? If you're updating Rust is there any chance you could add nalgebra as a library? Python has NumPy and that gives it a pretty big advantage for stuff like bots which tend to use lots of linear algebra.
[CG]Thibaud: I don't think so. Also seems there are a few conflicts involved: https://doc.rust-lang.org/edition-guide/rust-2021/prelude.html
Astrobytes: also, if you added a linear algebra lib for Rust, you'd have to do so for many other languages to keep it fair.
Astrobytes: python may have numpy but it's kinda slow performance-wise overall relative to Rust and C++ when it comes to applications of linear algebra in bot programming
Uljahn: yep, python is interpreted, so it's fair to add Numba's JIT capabilities to it :smirk:
Astrobytes: hehehe
mag.py: I agree but linear algebra libs should just be standard for a "game" programming environment though surely?
Astrobytes: well, it's not really game programming as such, just gamified platform
Astrobytes: plus the bot programming
Astrobytes: and not all the bot programming games involve use of linear algebra
Uljahn: indeed
BoBot: why does the competition start on Thursday this time? :D
BoBot: I am so used to Friday I had to do a double check
Astrobytes: it started on Thursday the previous one or two contests iirc
BoBot: Wat? rly?
BoBot: maybe I am just confused then
Astrobytes: it has been a while since the last one ;)
AlekseiIvanov: is neural network necesary for the challenge?
struct: no
Astrobytes: ofc not
AlekseiIvanov: to win?
eulerscheZahl: depends on the game and your goal
AlekseiIvanov: I mean first place
recurduck: how long time we have from the spring challange start till it ends?
eulerscheZahl: to win: possible, heavily depends on the game itself
struct: depends on the game
Astrobytes: ^
eulerscheZahl: the last contest was the first ever in CG history that was won by a NN
AlekseiIvanov: uwu
eulerscheZahl: or the 2nd to last, if you count the escape
BoBot: wow, I was going to ask if a NN has ever been a top contender
struct: recurduck it ends on May 2nd at 8 am UTC
recurduck: thanks!
struct: Also the guy that won with a NN had won contests before
eulerscheZahl: recurduck, is that a reCurse in hiding mode?
struct: lol
BoBot: if it looks like a duck...
Astrobytes: and won BitRunner 2048 informal contest with a NN
recurduck: actualy yes haha
recurduck: have you ever heard about duck debbuging?
eulerscheZahl: rubber duck?
BoBot: sounds like something people starting to go mad would do
Astrobytes: I use a stone duck, better for the environment
BoBot: (speaking to inanimate objects)
Harou: Hi, anyone knows how to run the game locally, and code with VS code?
mag.py: @Uljahn If Numba being added? If Python were to have NumPy *and* Numba then surely at that point NumPy would clearly be an unfair advantage compared to all other languages?
mag.py: is*
BoBot: shouldn't someone with a name mag.py be in favor of that? :upside_down:
Astrobytes: mag.py: I think that was the point ;)
Uljahn: mag.py: numpy is good to have, but you rarely can vectorize everything without regressing to python datatypes which causes huge overheads
recurduck: so that why i call myseld recurduck we are developers debbuging all the time..like a recursion
p3d3str1an: Harou: there is a sync extension/chrome app for that, but the input is manual
TheQuestion: considering i am getting to silver with just simple if-statements, i would say no :D
Thorcode: can in mad
Thorcode: and not even silver gold is possible with simple if else
Harou: :thumbsup_tone1:
Thorcode: want some hint?
eulerscheZahl: can you give a hint already, before it even started?
Thorcode: nah i just say to some guy
Thorcode: how can you level higher than westicle with lower puzzle solved?
mag.py: @Thibaud The new Rust edition changes should only really cause conflicts if people have been manually implementing TryFrom and TryInto, which is very unlikely.
eulerscheZahl: if it's not needed for CG for work too, you need better arguments
Astrobytes: ^
eulerscheZahl: "how can you level higher than westicle with lower puzzle solved?"
contest points, puzzle creation+upvote farming
Danzou: Anyone knows how long it will last?
eulerscheZahl: 10-11 days
Danzou: Thanks
eulerscheZahl: not a multiple of 24h
Danzou: Nah I thought it will last for 48H
eulerscheZahl: ends May 2nd 10am CEST
Danzou: And I am out couldn't participate and was sad
Danzou: But now I am happy
Tryst: euler how do you pronounce your name?
eulerscheZahl: like in the english "oiler"
Tryst: ah okay
Tryst: thanks
eulerscheZahl: go to google translate and ask the bot to pronounce the rest
Astrobytes: think pronunciation of "deutsche"
eulerscheZahl: if you know how to pronounce that...
Astrobytes: I would hope most people should at *least* know that
eulerscheZahl: "h as in hour"
"k as in knight"
eulerscheZahl: just as helpful
eulerscheZahl: "p as in psyche"
eulerscheZahl: found it hilarious when kitboga did that to read out a gift code
Astrobytes: Are people no longer taught the correct names of countries as children? (as in, in that country's language)
VizGhar: i like those silent letters... like h in hour... or ueue in queue
jrke: today after long time i will be going to try bot programming :grinning:
Astrobytes: VizGhar: :rofl: good one!
eulerscheZahl: i don't know to to say Poland in Polish for instance. probably the same for other countries
Astrobytes: jrke: same for a lot of us
Astrobytes: Polska is Polish for Poland
eulerscheZahl: today after long time i will be going to try programming :grinning:
eulerscheZahl: fixed it
eulerscheZahl: do i still have an IDE installed?
jrke: :grinning:
vvandenb: :grinning
vvandenb: :grinning:
jacek: :upside_down:
dreadylein: ide isnt strictly needed i guess :P
Astrobytes: oh, Mathis has done an intro video
Hjax: i cant say i know many countries names in their native languages
TheQuestion: yeah, i know a large amount in per language, but not in their native one
Astrobytes: tbf it's not overly useful
eulerscheZahl: i know "United States of America" in their language
Astrobytes: :smirk:
eulerscheZahl: project is set up, i'm ready to code
AndreMarasca: 20 minutes
TheQuestion: i mean, as i found out only recently, Czech Republic is Czechia now
Tryst: good luck to everyone in the contest
eulerscheZahl: wait until it becomes czechoslovakia again
Astrobytes: that will NOT happen
eulerscheZahl: wishing good luck to everyone? but we can't all win, how is that supposed to work?
VizGhar: Let's not get political :P
Tryst: I just hope that everyone improves their score from last year
TheQuestion: honestly, i always joke, it should have been 3 states :D Bohemia, Moravia + BA and the rest of Slovakia ^^
VizGhar: I'm taking luck with me
Tryst: Not necessarily hoping everyone wins
Astrobytes: lol
eulerscheZahl: it's also not possible that we all improve
Topjimmies: I'm from czechoslovakia
Tryst: That's why i said **hope**
eulerscheZahl: except if we all improve by 1 and the winner decides to not play at all
IvesL: 15 mins left
JASch: on codingame everyone wins (... at least xp ;) )
jacek: get your participation medals ready
TheQuestion: i am just aiming this time to make a functioning prediction machine, instead of just static rules
jrke: i am just aiming to do something atleast
jrke: totally out of practice from bot prog
jrke: from nearly 1 year
Astrobytes: it'll come back jrke
jrke: :sweat_smile:
Kellthazar: I'll attend this one using Golang :)
Tryst: I think I'm gonna try to use C for this contest
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/servlet/fileservlet?id=53951108611381
eulerscheZahl: never got one for last spring challenge
Astrobytes: lol
eulerscheZahl: only this https://www.codingame.com/servlet/fileservlet?id=955564061908
VizGhar: I'll get to legend and then submit in whatever language isn't present to get sweet exp :D
struct: and then get removed from the leaderboard :)
eulerscheZahl: a few years ago that was a way to win a tshirt
eulerscheZahl: back when there was top50 + first in a language
VizGhar: :D really?
eulerscheZahl: yes, long ago
VizGhar: euler. You wont need smurf account this time... you must be happy
eulerscheZahl: they changed that with the introduction of community contests - namely Mean Max
eulerscheZahl: it all has its good sides
jrke: but now there are no more community contests right?
eulerscheZahl: won't play for too long today, only a quick peek and bronze maybe. then :soccer:
eulerscheZahl: right jrke :(
jrke: :neutral_face:
eulerscheZahl: let's enjoy what we have and make the best out of it
jrke: yup
Astrobytes: Yes, indeed. I'm grateful there is any contest at all :)
Joe0: what's the fastest clash of code score in fastest mode of all time?
kovi: gl except for rec...he may not need it
Astrobytes: hehehe
jrke: Astrobytes : yes atleast bot prog
Astrobytes: hello kovi
jrke: rec is really a curse
jrke: on us
eulerscheZahl: open a random leaderboard and check the green dots for online players. it really is contest time again
aCat: yeeeeah contest time :-)
eulerscheZahl: legend or delete?
TheQuestion: let the stress testing of the server begin!
Astrobytes: haha
eulerscheZahl: that's how we should feature a community contest
eulerscheZahl: server stress test event
Astrobytes: :D
Ajaiy: yaaaaay
schachmatt: plot twist the contest actually starts tomorrow, today is just a stress test
eulerscheZahl: great, now the cat wakes up and wants petting
jacek: checkmate
Mortis_666: ☠
dbdr: did you get a week holiday eulerscheZahl? ;)
Ajaiy: go go go
eulerscheZahl: sure
IvesL: looks fancy
wlesavo: hoho
Ajaiy: Yeah
jrke: lol nice league opening time
schachmatt: love that posix timestamp
Hjax: oh i like this already
dbdr: we are all doomed!
Astrobytes: enjoy :)
Ajaiy: Looks like some kind of fight thing
Hjax: looks like a nice straight forward game
dbdr: inb4 eulerscheZahl top 3
eulerscheZahl: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903337608606789755/966700039747539015/unknown.png
dbdr: looks like a unix timestamp
Ajaiy: ikr
Astrobytes: lol
eulerscheZahl: not a grid game
Jerrasterix: hmm achievements has started to slow down
Ajaiy: Ooh
I got Trimestrial Killer
DomiKo: Fog of War mmmmm
BoBot: aww...why are they spiders...I like spiders
struct: time to delete
Astrobytes: fog of war
DomiKo: struct true
IvesL: why are iron mans killing spiders
Ajaiy: The only challenge for Wood is that the base is a line and not a point
Ajaiy: So calculating the euclidean distance would be difficult
Smelty: interesting contest
eulerscheZahl: camping at the own base should be enough to pass wood1
Astrobytes: codebusters-ish
KelvinAndHubbles: how do you tell which command is being issued to which hero?
struct: its in order
Astrobytes: and there's a debug overlay in the viewer if you want to track things visually
Hugesn0wduck: hii yall
Uljahn: "calculating the euclidean distance would be difficult"
wow. linear algebra time :smiley:
Hugesn0wduck: just finished creating my art website
Astrobytes: Uljahn: :rofl:
TheQuestion: hmm, purple spiders dont like campers :P
Hjax: ok threw a quick base guarding bot together
Hjax: best i can manage from work, ill do something proper tonight
Iugi: how does the move command work?
Hjax: MOVE X Y
struct: no collisions?
struct: :p
eulerscheZahl: is it just me or are the images in the pdf missing? https://i.imgur.com/0DZ9NOb.png
Hjax: not currently
Hjax: my heroes just stack up right now and chase the closest enemy in the base radius
eulerscheZahl: mine camp at 700,700 (or mirrored for bottom corner), enough to promote
eulerscheZahl: int delta = -700;
if (baseX == 0) delta = 700;
Console.WriteLine($"MOVE {baseX + delta} {baseY + delta}");
jrke: same here Hjax
jrke: nearest monster to my base
blasterpoard: I had something similar, it's random whether you promote with it or not
KalamariKing: quite a challenge
KalamariKing: intereting
BoBot: you are already writing more efficient code than I...I created constants for the bottom base location...
Hjax: well, i dont even do nearest monster to my base lol, i just do a random one in that base radius
Hjax: good enough to promote
DomiKo: no referee code this time?
jrke: maybe in bronze DomiKo
struct: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022
_Lupus_: About the spring challenge: The action order is: Heroes move, monsters take damage, monsters die, monsters attack. But when do the monsters move? Before or after the heroes. It's not clear from the description (or I missed it)
jrke: or just check CG github acc
DomiKo: thx
dbdr: rules for wood 1?
eulerscheZahl: Fog makes it impossible to know the positions of all monsters and rival heroes. You need to have them within 2200 units from one of your heroes or 6000 from your base.
eulerscheZahl: SPELL, followed by a spell action, as detailed in the Spells section further below.
eulerscheZahl: If a monster is pushed (with a WIND command) outside the radius of a targeted base, it will stop targeting and start moving in a randomly selected direction.
eulerscheZahl: and some mana explanation on wind
eulerscheZahl: WIND <x> <y> All entities (except your own heroes) within 1280 units are pushed 2200 units in the direction from the spellcaster to x,y.
dbdr: thanks!
schachmatt: servers are holding up surprisingly well
DomiKo: then there will be CONTROL and SHIELD spell
DomiKo: and nothing more
eulerscheZahl: looks like my base camping might get me directly into bronze
Darleanow: is there a better way to solve https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/ascii-art
BoBot: haha so we will start pushing monsters to opponents! :D
Darleanow: instead of making a dict
Darleanow: ?
DomiKo: euler delta 500 gets to bronze too
eulerscheZahl: did you solve it already? then you have access to other solutions to learn from
MindController: BoBot direction after push seems to be random
TheQuestion: this just went from castle defense to shaolin soccer
eulerscheZahl: 700 is my magic number
jacek: :notebook: :soccer:?
Darleanow: no i didnt solved it already, this is why i'm asking :)
DomiKo: yours is better than mine
eulerscheZahl: because i'm a toad
eulerscheZahl: everyone knows that toads eat spiders
Jerrasterix: lol
_Lupus_: Found the answer to my earlier question: Heroes move first, then monsters (before new monsters spawn)
Smelty: yes
TheQuestion: question, the yellow circles around the base are the lock-on borders for the enemies?
eulerscheZahl: yes
Smelty: no, because the enemies lock on before they reach that i think
Smelty: oh
Jerrasterix: bruhh.... I forgot to add an else statemen... very silly of me
Smelty: you can try using threatFor to determine what would be dangerous and you should attack
TheQuestion: well, camping isnt working out, have to actually try now ^^
AshKetchum: guys, the league opening time is being shown as a big integer
Smelty: just camp and attack any that get too close
Jerrasterix: I am just attacking the closest monster to the base
Jerrasterix: doing pretty well
Smelty: im just attacking the first 3 inputted threatfors
Smelty: doing pretty well
WannaBeHum1n: guys
Smelty: yes>
Dapps: Seems like a fun challenge. Have there been previous ones similar to this?
BoBot: # is_controlled: Ignore for this league; Equals 1 when this entity is under a control spell
BoBot: omg :D
Jerrasterix: yup, code vs zombies
eulerscheZahl: i'd say code busters, code royale
Dapps: :) okay so a few lol
eulerscheZahl: my base camping might not make it to bronze in the end :(
Topjimmies: my code looks like it should work, but my guys only attack the enemies at the bottom middle of the screen
Jerrasterix: I just copy pasted my code from my CvZ
Topjimmies: :thinking:
Smelty: i feel like camping and only attacking those who are locked on are a little late
Smelty: hmm im 23rd rn and 40% battles
WannaBeHum1n: Warning: your code did not read all available input before printing an instruction, your outputs will not be synchronized with the game's turns and unexpected behaviour may occur.
WannaBeHum1n: i try to print my base coordinates
WannaBeHum1n: and i get this
Smelty: that may be because you outputted multiple moves in the for loop
WannaBeHum1n: ahhhhhhhhhhh
WannaBeHum1n: ty
Smelty: check the output for loop, it should only have 1 output as it is a for loop for each of the heroes
Jerrasterix: WannaBeHum1n try printing it to debug
Dapps: i get that if i forget to output to console error
WannaBeHum1n: THNX ALL
RSBat: boss 1 is on position 95 in wood 2 right now
Smelty: xd
Jerrasterix: lol
Remus_: What python3 version is used?
Smelty: im tying against the boss rn
Smelty: nvm just won
KelvinAndHubbles: 3.9.12 python
KelvinAndHubbles: Not 3.10 yet
Remus_: Thanks!
BenjaminUrquhart: oh boy derust time
Smelty: owo
BenjaminUrquhart: I haven't touched codingame in like a year this will go well
Smelty: nice!
PatrickMcGinnisII: damn Ben
eulerscheZahl: BenjaminUrquhart where is my shrine?
Smelty: boss is on 94th place in wood league
Astrobytes: :D
WannaBeHum1n: why is hte health in a loop guys ?
WannaBeHum1n: health and mana
Astrobytes: because its variable?
KelvinAndHubbles: because there are two players
struct: yours and opponent
Smelty: you need to get the new data each turn to output it?
struct: I guess
WannaBeHum1n: ohhhhh mines and my opponents
WannaBeHum1n: thnx
struct: // Your base health
struct: this might seem confusing though
WannaBeHum1n: yeah
WannaBeHum1n: the comment
WannaBeHum1n: so mine is xhen i == 0 right ?
Smelty: hmm im 73rd but above boss
Smelty: how many wood leagues are there
Hjax: two
Astrobytes: 2
Smelty: thanks
jacek: in morning 3 :smirk:
Smelty: maybe i can make it to bronze with current code o-o
struct: jacek will win this one
Smelty: the odds are on him
nugghead: vous le faites en ql language les gars
struct: #fr
Astrobytes: #fr ;)
nugghead: ow sorry wrong chat
Smelty: fs
struct: lots of rng
SashaNukem: jo mah dues and dudets
jacek: hm?
Fanfouer: How do you link to another conv like fr? @struct @Astrobytes
SashaNukem: GL HF
jacek: Fanfouer like #taco?
Fanfouer: Yep
Smelty: #taco kool
Fanfouer: #taco
Fanfouer: Ah-
struct: or you can do /join fr
SashaNukem: what does this mean For this challenge, multiple leagues for the same game are available. ?
Fanfouer: And how to @someone?
SashaNukem: aaa
Astrobytes: just typing their name is enough
Astrobytes: Fanfouer
Fanfouer: SashaNukem => there will be multiple difficulties
Fanfouer: Writing Astrobytes is enough then, got it. Thanks!
Astrobytes: :)
TheQuestion: the boss of wood 1 is nice, he actually came over and helped me kill some stuff
Asterixk: bruh!
League opening: 1650812400000
Natanalel: how can I remove rubocop? it's super annoying
zakacat: Are we allowed to ask people look at our contribution in chat? lol
Topjimmies: can you switch sides for your code test?
eulerscheZahl: yes zakacat but it can backfire to harsh criticism
eulerscheZahl: yes Topjimmies. remove yourself and the opponent. than add again in reverse order
eulerscheZahl: "delete" below the profile pics
Topjimmies: awesome, thank you
aCat: auch euler right - no images in pdfs ;/
VaseSimion: Noob question: to progress you just need to be ranked above the boss, and finish the battle simulations to 100%. right? even if you are rank 100+
Darleanow: yes, there's a battle system
Darleanow: it depends on the score you get
struct: here aCat
Darleanow: if u beat the other players with your score
struct: https://i.imgur.com/PorlF1b.png
VaseSimion: Yeah, but usually the bos was in top 5 and now it just feels weird
Darleanow: you gon rank up
aCat: :*
Darleanow: yes, because some people do have a better code than the bot
eulerscheZahl: it's normal that the boss is low early in the contest
eulerscheZahl: then good players promote and the boss is at the top of the league
Smelty: yes, then the good people generally get past and then the boss gets back to the top
eulerscheZahl: all depends on mow many submit at the same time
TheQuestion: it just takes a bit of time for people to bubble upwards, then the bot gets back to top5
Smelty: the battles in progress taking so long :(
Smelty: still at 60% but im probably going to promote
Astrobytes: it is a contest...
TheQuestion: server melting :D
TheQuestion: i think i will grab dinner, should hopefully finish until then :)
Thheo: does wind change the direction of a monster?
Maciulis: still dont understand why in competition mode cg needs to evaluate 100 games of standing in one spot
Thheo: nvm i read it does
TheQuestion: Thheo, if its far enough to be outside the circle, it looses the lock, otherwise it will just keep coming
schachmatt: has anyoe managed to compile the referee for brutaltester yet?
Thheo: ty
linjoehan: Ohohoh it's that time of the year again
Smelty: xd
Mindarius: is by base x,y always 0,0?
Mindarius: my*
martinkozle: no
Topjimmies: no, sometimes it is on the opposite side
Mindarius: is there a good way to tell where it is?
Mindarius: nvm
martinkozle: first line of input
Maciulis: you have given param base_x base_y
Mindarius: yeah
Mindarius: I just noticed that
Mindarius: thanks
Smelty: 93% battles in progress lel
Smelty: pog finally promoted
Hjax: the start time of these contests always leaves me sitting at work daydreaming all day
Dapps: it's true
Dapps: then i'm done work and i have all these ideas... but i'm too tired to code them lol
aCat: debug visualization should have attack radius
Wizard-Dude: yes , definitly, I was just wondering if we could output how many enemies were in our attack radius?
Topjimmies: you can do that yourself
aCat: you can print it on stderr, etc
Topjimmies: 800 units is attack range
aCat: site is not responsive ? ;]
cegprakash: Too tanky zombies lolol
WannaBeHum1n: guys how long does it usually take 4 u
WannaBeHum1n: to finish the battles
schachmatt: centuries
Hjax: oh the control spell redirects monsters forever, they keep running in the same direction you sent them in
Hjax: thats useful
Smelty: haha my wood 1 code is above the boss 2 even though it doesnt incorporate wind
Hjax: im rank 17 bronze right now and all i do is charge at the closest monster to my base
Hjax: spells are optional :P
Smelty: pro
Smelty: im 72nd in wood 2 , way above boss
Smelty: just waiting for batles to finish
InstantWin: is passing wind the only spell?
WannaBeHum1n: it is been in 37 percent for 20mins
Smelty: mine is 38
WannaBeHum1n: is my internet the problem ?
Hjax: theres 3 spells in bronze
Smelty: wind isnt the only one later there's control spell
Smelty: and others
Hjax: wind, control, and shield
blasterpoard: control is probably useless tho
Hjax: i dont think it is blasterpoard
Hjax: it redirects a monsters walking direction too, the spec isnt clear on that
Hjax: simon is just sending waves of monsters at his opponents
blasterpoard: Hjax how does it interact with a spider getting triple-wind-yeeted to your base?
Smelty: lolol
blasterpoard: that's where this game is going
Smelty: L + wind yeeted + controlled
Hjax: that is true but control is probably handy to set up those plays
blasterpoard: no, it moves epiders less then wind does
Hjax: shielding monsters to prevent them from getting "wind yeeted" will probably also be a thing
blasterpoard: exactly
blasterpoard: get some mana, use it only on wind and shield
Hjax: it moves spiders less in one turn, but more given a handful of turns
Hjax: people will clear the spiders near their base
mester_x: Warning: your code did not read all available input before printing an instruction, your outputs will not be synchronized with the game's turns and unexpected behaviour may occur. ?????????
struct: are you outputing before reading all inputs?
mester_x: no
FinnKrause: hello guys
mester_x: are you can see to me cod
casmith789: are you running more than 3 lines of output each turn?
jjjjjjjtgpptmjj: can anyone build local battle java project?
mester_x: yes
mester_x: casmith
mester_x: i need help
casmith789: only run 3 lines of output, 1 for each hero and you won't get that problem
mester_x: it is 3
mester_x: :head_bandage:
mester_x: :rage:
TheQuestion: just mentioning, cause i did the mistake myself, the example code has the return in a loop. So just check if you are not returning 3x3 results like i did :)
Christbutbetter: yhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Christbutbetter: ty
cythonboy: hi
Topjimmies: end game strat is just shoving all the enemies into the opponent base lol
Topjimmies: I love it
Smelty: xd
cythonboy: yep
Smelty: what is wild mana
TheQuestion: cant shove if you are walking away from me :D
TheQuestion: Smelty: In case of a tie, the player who gained the highest amount of mana outside the radius of their base will win. this is called wild mana.
cythonboy: o
a-Rye: Lotta cool stuff with the contest! For anyone that missed it, VizGhar was streaming some contest work earlier. He's at 30 followers, it requires 50 to become affiliate. Consider supporting him by following him at: https://www.twitch.tv/vizghar
schachmatt: has anyone managed to compiled the referee for brutaltester?
yhyoxx: classic schachmatt
schachmatt: ?
VizGhar: a-Rye I was streaming in slovak :D
PatrickMcGinnisII: 31 now, not that I will watch lol
struct: It would be nice to have wild mana given on the viewer
a-Rye: VizGhar I was watching all the same lol. It takes courage to stream coding, so I try to follow anyone gutsy enough to do it here on CodinGame
Illedan: Anyone in bronze to confirm if you can use multiple winds at the same time? ( to blow something further away)
a-Rye: and PatrickMcGinnisll that still helps a lot! Or even leaving their videos playing with the sound way low still earns them ad revenue
blasterpoard: Illedan yes, you can
Illedan: ty
Illedan: Will they overshoot the base if they are too close?
blasterpoard: afaik no, but I didn't test it specifically
struct: if its within base radius it has collision
struct: with wall I think
mester_x: I couldn't do anything today. lol
a-Rye: I speak English and Spanish, but I'm watching KimiNako code in French. I'm still following the code, just have no idea what's being said
Astrobytes: "A monster can be pushed outside of the map, unless it is within a base radius, in which case it will will be moved no further than the border."
Illedan: Thx :)
Astrobytes: np
PatrickMcGinnisII: A stream in java... ok, if it was PY I wouldn't follow
Illedan: The pdf statement is images and can't be searched :(
ninjadip: you can't push me
blasterpoard: well, statement is not really that helpful anyway because of edge cases
mester_x: I couldn't install darknet because of nvidia and my code didn't work:sob:
a-Rye: Yeah, I've been streaming mostly python, but I'm putting in a lot of hours with my Beginner Java Concepts playground trying to do the language justice. C++ is next, but so complicated to compile the dockers
mester_x: No one is helping
PatrickMcGinnisII: mester_x prolly don't use what you r trying to use
struct: everyone is busy with the contest
NickSaidSomethingWonderful: mester_x , go to watch their streaming
Wontonimo: is this going to be somewhat like ghostbuster?
Astrobytes: there are similarities
Wontonimo: are you enjoying it?
cegprakash: health and mana I'm always player 0 or I need to find based on my base??
Wontonimo: I'm still at work, just stopping in for 5 min
Wizard-Dude: for some reason, whenever I output my mana, it keeps on dropping, and I am not using a wind or any other type of spell?
Astrobytes: early days yet
mester_x: I'm sorry I didn't know you were busy
WannaBeHum1n: WOOD 1 LESS GO
PatrickMcGinnisII: 100 lines of code just for data structures, not so much...yet
WannaBeHum1n: XD
Astrobytes: it's a very easy bronze at least
Wontonimo: it's a contest week, everryone will be super busy
TheQuestion: Ceg, your health and mana should always be first
cegprakash: thx TheQuestion
Astrobytes: cegprakash: you never change :D
Wontonimo: Good luck Astrobytes and struct !
Astrobytes: cegprakash: FROM THE STATEMENT:
First 2 lines: two integers baseHealth and mana for the remaining health and mana for both players. Your data is always given first.
Joe0: Hey i'm doing the spring challenge and it doesn't seem to specify what order to output the moves for each hero (ex: how do I specify I want the hero with _id such and such to move?)
struct: thanks, gl Wontonimo
TheQuestion: it is in order, Joe0
Astrobytes: +1
Joe0: what order?
Joe0: in the order the entities are presented as input?
_Lupus_: In the order of hero ids
Wontonimo: order by id
Topjimmies: can't use match case? :joy:
Joe0: and the id is a number?
_Lupus_: yes
Joe0: thx
Wontonimo: hey Joe0 (and others listening) you can get all this infor in the instructions on the left
Wontonimo: just scroll down
Wontonimo: it's all there in text
TheQuestion: so, bronze was very straightforward with literally just camping and a spell use :P now i can spend a couple of days making a proper bot that will be a third as efficient ^^
cegprakash: unable to blew the spiders out off the board lol
cegprakash: my strat failed
Astrobytes: think simple
Astrobytes: to get to bronze
SabertheLost: what leagues are open?
Astrobytes: Only BRonze
VizGhar: wood and bronze
VizGhar: silver will open later (monday maybe?)
TheQuestion: silver+ will be only dividing players though, no new rules, right?
struct: yes
Astrobytes: silver opens at: 1650812400000 :D
VizGhar: precisely
NinjaDoggy: Ah yes at 1650812400000 :D
Astrobytes: hehehe
TheQuestion: Sunday, April 24, 2022 5:00:00 PM GMT+02:00 DST
Wizard-Dude: Hello, How would I be able to find my mana, for some reason whenever I use what they have given me, I get numbers that are not equal to what is being displayed at the top of my screen?
VizGhar: your mana is second input during game turn
NinjaDoggy: That sounds like a out of sync issue? Make sure you only output 3 lines each turn I guess
TheQuestion: there could be in theory a clash, cause you first do damage (and gain mana) and then use WIND, but it is still after commands are issued
PatrickMcGinnisII: mobs with hp>18 have to be ridden like a spider in minecraft
Wizard-Dude: I don't think so, This is a replay of a game and my mana is displayed on top of my hero's https://www.codingame.com/replay/621155505
struct: you are displaying opponent mana
Astrobytes: read the statement carefully
Wizard-Dude: oh , Thanks!
Astrobytes: we need wonto's bot to output RTFS!!! automatically
a-Rye: I habitually forget to RTFS when clashing...
Astrobytes: that sounds... counterproductive :D
a-Rye: for clashing you can get away with it. I've guessed at some and won. But for this challenge...no I intend on reading all the instructions :grin:
schachmatt: can confirm reading the clash statement is often not required
TheQuestion: there should just be a "Ignore everything and just output Hello World" at the end of one these :D
a-Rye: Same with resistcorp, he's at 16 followers and needs that 50 to be affiliate. https://www.twitch.tv/resistcorp
CoolandonRS: I'm just starting in the challenge right now, and I'm getting a "3" as a second line of input and can't seem to find what it maps to. Any of you know?
Astrobytes: heroes per player
VizGhar: base health
CoolandonRS: Ah, thanks
CoolandonRS: Is that initilization or game loop?
Astrobytes: init
VizGhar: initialization is 2 ints baseX and baseY
CoolandonRS: Don't see that in the description, thanks for your help.
VizGhar: 3rd input is baseHealth = 3
Astrobytes: + heroes_per_player
Astrobytes: int heroes_per_player; // Always 3
VizGhar: aha
VizGhar: sry
VizGhar: you are right
Astrobytes: np :)
VizGhar: Its not mentioned in rules tho :P
jrke: i think heuristics can be good in this type of game
Astrobytes: yeah, I think it's been pointed out somewhere already
Smelty: yey im in bronze
Smelty: using my wood 1 code
NinjaDoggy: Is there a link to the GitHub for this contest somewhere?
CoolandonRS: Yeah. That messed me up since I like to recreate the input. All times hero count is mentioned its formatted as a constant of 3
Astrobytes: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022
NinjaDoggy: Not much to do while waiting for promotion :(
VaseSimion: Boss 1 and Boss 2 can be beaten by the same code it seems :)
VizGhar: NinjaDoggy make yourself cofee :)
Audran227: anyone doing spring challenge 2022 ??
Wontonimo: everyone
Astrobytes: everybody?
Smelty: is first input of health/mana yours
Astrobytes: rtfs
Smelty: o-o
Djellowman: battles taking forever
Wontonimo: if forever means an hour
Djellowman: yes, that's what it means i read it somewhere
Djellowman: i just started
Smelty: how do you output the spell? do you just use "SPELL x y"?
PatrickMcGinnisII: 11 minutes since first submit @66% complete
tomiesz: @Smelty it's SPELL <Spell name> <x> <y>
Smelty: thanks
PatrickMcGinnisII: like 200+ people gonna get dumped into wood1 shortly
Wontonimo: it's in the documentation on the left
Smelty: so do you do "SPELL CONTROL 13"
Smelty: as the id
tomiesz: didnt get to control yet, cant help. BUt the exercise should have the details in the spell section
Djellowman: i'm one of them
Wontonimo: scroll down to the bottom Smelty
Smelty: yes still not sure about control
Smelty: but the rest is good :thumbsup:
Wontonimo: oh, i like the broken heart animation. that's a nice flair
DaNinja: real programmers never read the statement
Smelty: just trial and error
Djellowman: ninjas don't write documentation
DaNinja: code comments are overrated
Smelty: hmm
tobk: Are there any special requirements to the contest game viewer? Only gray for me. :-( (rather old laptop with bad Intel graphics, Linux)
Smelty: weird
Smelty: also im losing to default bot cuz he wind-camps me
Darleanow: Hello wonto :)
Wontonimo: hey Darle
Darleanow: ahhahaha
Darleanow: u can call me Enzo :)
PatrickMcGinnisII: baseline for you Wontonimo https://www.codingame.com/replay/621184483
Darleanow: or print("enzo"[0:2]
Darleanow: )
SabertheLost: why is the new rules not marked out as they normaly are when switching ranks ?
Wontonimo: nice replay PatrickMcGinnisII !
Darleanow: https://www.codingame.com/training/easy/fax-machine
Darleanow: imma do this one :p
NickSaidSomethingWonderful: the boss is really kind~
Mindarius: how far is hero sightline on wood 1?
Mindarius: nbm
Mindarius: nvm*
Mindarius: 2200 hero, 6000 base
Wontonimo: oh, i'm 218th but ahead of the boss ?!? wild
Hjax: the wood bosses usually spend the first few hours getting demolished while the ranks stabilize
Wontonimo: that's sure is going to be a lot of promotion in the next bit
PatrickMcGinnisII: 86% waiting for promote
PatrickMcGinnisII: er me...yup 200+ gonna jump
NickSaidSomethingWonderful: the boss tries to blow some monster to my base..
Smelty: ye thats their strat
Scarfield: the wood bosses should be easy though, so it should be that way really. but the submission times will hurt from it
Smelty: wood bosses are quite easy ngl
Smelty: you don't even need to use spells
Wontonimo: really, just promote no.1 immediately if there are more than 50 above the boss, and repeat
Wontonimo: why 213?
Hjax: its fine, it will stabilize in a bit
Wontonimo: just wasted compute
Smelty: wait what is wild mana
Scarfield: sure CG could optimize it
Hjax: Smelty mana earned outside of your base, used as a tiebreaker
Scarfield: mana gained outside of you base zone i thinkg
Wontonimo: i'm babbling ... i know it isn't gonna change
Scarfield: ^
Smelty: ok
Scarfield: cant have it all ;)
Smelty: ngl i feel like strat is to have 1 guy wind-yeeting enemies at opponent's base
Scarfield: and it shouldnt last for that long, it is slightly annoying for sure though
PatrickMcGinnisII: I have gotten stuck in wood league for a bit because i didn't submit the first day in other contests, but these bosses look kinda easy so far
Hjax: if you have 3 guys wind yeeting the monster fly three times as far Smelty
Smelty: yes
Wontonimo: honestly, I'm gonna say this multi looks fun. Really looks like a reflex bot can have a good time
Smelty: ye
PatrickMcGinnisII: gonna get smelly, alot of farts
Wontonimo: ?!?
Astrobytes: wind...
PatrickMcGinnisII: from everyone passing gas (wind)
PatrickMcGinnisII: full rules in the git?
Darleanow: WONTO UR PUZZLE IS EASY :o
PatrickMcGinnisII: MOVE, WIND, SHIELD, CONTROL, IDLE; that it?
struct: yes
struct: and wait
Hjax: im really liking how straight forward this game is
Wontonimo: +1
Mindarius: same
Wontonimo: kinda borrowed from Botters it seems
SabertheLost: I just move 600/600 then attack anything that get close and use wind
PatrickMcGinnisII: ahh fog of war
Scarfield: how is the fog of war implemented? still waiting for rank up
Smelty: tbf im gonna be stuck in bronze until i do a redo of my code
Smelty: its basically you can see in a radius around your base and your heroes
Scarfield: ah just ranked up :)
Wontonimo: i'm still at 70% complete for wood 1
PatrickMcGinnisII: Fog makes it impossible to know the positions of all monsters and rival heroes. You need to have them within 2200 units from one of your heroes or 6000 from your base.
matteo1123: this is an awesome challenge, first time I've ever done anything like this
PatrickMcGinnisII: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/444ef79f-fddd-44f6-90c4-9aaecbede9d1
surgutti: does CONTROL spell also work on enemy heroes?
NinjaDoggy: also can you shield monsters?
cegprakash: where u wanna blow the enemy hero surgutti :P
AlMualem: NinjaDoggy i suppose you can shield an monster so that it cant be pushed towards your base...maybe
NinjaDoggy: nonono, you push the monster and shield it on the same turn towards ur opponent base
NinjaDoggy: then if they can't kill it fast enough they lose :)
MaxTheorum: when will silver be opened?
NinjaDoggy: at 1650812400000 :)
Astrobytes: :rofl:
yhyoxx: Sunday 24 April 2022 14:59:57.808
MaxTheorum: cheers!
AlMualem: wait...if i push and after the push the monster is still in my base radius it will still "attack" my base right?
tomiesz: yep
AlMualem: on the contrary, if i push it outside the base it will get a random direction
tomiesz: yes
AlMualem: this Hero3 it ultra annoying in Bronze :P
AlMualem: i am like "come on man,mind your own base!Leave me alone!"
Topjimmies: this dude, going into my base and blowing my heroes into the opposite corner :fearful:
Wontonimo: haha
nightwalkerinthedark: sup world
Topjimmies: just waiting for promotion
AlMualem: i am thinking how to deal with that Hero....and when Silver Opens i will make my move...until then i will let AI think it can win :P
Topjimmies: 1 defense 1 mana farmer/controller, 1 offense?
tomiesz: i have my guys patrol at different ranges from the base without a given role
tomiesz: seems to work so far in bronze
AlMualem: i am between that and 2 defenders and 1 sabotager
Topjimmies: I am going to call it the Disruptor :sunglasses:
PatrickMcGinnisII: hmm, mana farm until mob hp gets to like 18 ... then go berzerk me thinks
AlMualem: It will be our Frodo/Sam Squad
Smelty: lol
Tiramon: yay bronze at last ... took it's time =)
Astrobytes: :)
AlMualem: well done mate
tomiesz: if i understand correctly there are no divisions in further leagues past wood, and silver opens in like 3 days?
Astrobytes: correct
tomiesz: aight
tomiesz: time to refactor all of my code then
tomiesz: thanks
Astrobytes: np :)
Tiramon: wow default ai has a nasty wind push =)
Wontonimo: boss or default ai?
Astrobytes: default
Tiramon: ok atleast it was my first bot that made it to bronze
Astrobytes: in bronze
Wontonimo: oh cool
Tiramon: now i have to do some stuff in an effective way instead of let all heroes do the same
Tiramon: and have a look at the spells ;)
Wontonimo: I'm right beside MSmits in rank :grin:
Wontonimo: and PatrickMcGinnisII
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm literally standing still, well my heros are
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm seeing the beginnings of some pretty easy stuff to implement tho. No bronze for me w/o at least MOVE ing
tomiesz: moving is generally beneficial :D
Wontonimo: https://www.codingame.com/replay/621238017
Wontonimo: yup, you are camping
Topjimmies: I copied the starting positions of the AI boss :upside_down:
Wontonimo: good call
Wontonimo: now look at the top players and copy them Topjimmies
joaolindo: when promotion to bronze occurs?
Astrobytes: when all your games are finished
Tiramon: and you are still rated better than the boss
tomiesz: you can click last battles to see the progress
joaolindo: Oh, thanks
joaolindo: this battle in progress percentage are my battles against all other players?
Tiramon: battles against player around your current rank
Tiramon: and when you have done 100% you are rated as a stable rank
Tiramon: and then you can be promoted
joaolindo: there is a way to downgrade a rank?
Scarfield: the percentage is how many of the battles you have you have to fight, have finished
Tiramon: no only promotion
Tiramon: you won't drop to any lower leages later on
joaolindo: :ok_hand:
mnechromancer: Y'all know when Silver opens
Topjimmies: tomorrow probably
mnechromancer: Yeah alright
PatrickMcGinnisII: sunday someone said
AlMualem: Other say Sunday :/
Topjimmies: oh
Tiramon: League opening: 1650812400000
now oyou just have to translate the timestamp because cg forgot it
Astrobytes: still amusing even after all these hours :D
Tiramon: click on the league on top of the screen and it shows it
PatrickMcGinnisII: NinjaDoggy
Scarfield: LOL xD i just thought NinjaDog was being "helpful"
Tiramon: [CG]jupoulton you recognized that the leagut opening is a timestamp and not a humanreadable date?
Tiramon: maybe it helps ;)
Astrobytes: what? you mean you don't go by timestamps in everyday life? :D
Topjimmies: find out what type of functions could have returned it and you might be able to figure it out
Tiramon: most of the time not ... today at work i did ;)
Astrobytes: :D
Tiramon: ok so next is splitting heroes
AlMualem: GMT: Sunday, 24 April 2022 3:00:00 PM
Astrobytes: oh damn, codejam round 1B on Sunday too
inoryy: not a bad multi this time
Astrobytes: wooo hello mate
Astrobytes: it's interesting so far
Wontonimo: :tada: inoryy !
Nerchio: all the legends in the chat :eyes:
Astrobytes: participating for the weekend? :D
inoryy: hello!
inoryy: yeah indeed
Scarfield: :wave:
Astrobytes: how's life?
llllllllll: :ghost: busters 2.0 ? :P
Astrobytes: sort of-ish
inoryy: all good, mostly busy with work and stuff
inoryy: how about you?
Astrobytes: nice, same old same old here
Astrobytes: not complaining :)
orangesnowfox: o7 Heyo all, been a long time since I've done anything but lurk
Scarfield: Nerchio :taco:
struct: not a board game what will I do :'(
inoryy: :wave:
Astrobytes: orangesnowfox! :tada:
Scarfield: consider it a board game, with a lot of cells
Wontonimo: orangesnowfox ! :tada: :wave: Welcome back
Astrobytes: and Nerchio :wave: hello!
orangesnowfox: A *lot* of cells Scarfield
Scarfield: just 17630 * 9000 of them :p
inoryy: just a bit off for a bitboard
Astrobytes: rookie numbers
orangesnowfox: from what I've read there are a *few* more than that :p
Wontonimo: quantize X and Y by 10 pixels each and it's just 1763 x 900
Scarfield: meh, bitboardception, have a bitboard of bitboards, no biggie :p
orangesnowfox: I mean, you *could* have a bitboard, it just wouldn't be very efficient, or useful. Since there can be overlapping entities
emh: I'm using a quantized fog of war map 40x20
PatrickMcGinnisII: it's just pacman who pass gas
orangesnowfox: I didn't actually do pacman lol
Astrobytes: nice emh
PatrickMcGinnisII: i was kidding, guys do eat alot of bugs
Nerchio: hello :wave: Astrobytes
Nerchio: :cake: Scarfield
ashiknur: how do I know which hero is going to attack which monstar when commanding to move?
struct: all attack it if they are in range
PatrickMcGinnisII: Lionking: Pumbaa....nom nom nom
orangesnowfox: all heroes attack all monsters in range, (as struct said)
ashiknur: okay.
Scarfield: xD Nerchio, while you have been away, Wontonimo made a chat bot, that lets you gift tacos to other users, apparently it didnt work when i tried. But thanks for the cake :)
PatrickMcGinnisII: mana gained is dmg dealt, thought it would be only after kill tho
orangesnowfox: From the statement:
> After a hero's move phase, any monsters within 800 units will suffer 2 points of damage.
Astrobytes: Scarfield: disabled for contest chat purposes ;)
Wontonimo: it is disabled during the contest
Nerchio: luckily
Scarfield: ah, for the best of course
PatrickMcGinnisII: :spider:
Astrobytes: Wontonimo: if you could set it to respond "RTFS!!!" for any questions related to info in the statement that would be helpful :D
Scarfield: xD
Scarfield: *cough* ceg *cough*
Wontonimo: yeah, i saw that. don't really know how to catch most of them
PatrickMcGinnisII: or silver: "opens sunday"
Scarfield: 90% would be caught if it answers cegs messages :p
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Wontonimo: haha
Astrobytes: he was at it again earlier
Scarfield: yea i saw xD
Astrobytes: lol, classic
orangesnowfox: sometimes reading comprehension gets worse the more times you read something
Scarfield: it wouldnt be a contest without it
PatrickMcGinnisII: I think i stabilized, time to shutup
Scarfield: its even worse when not reading it at all :)
orangesnowfox: true
Nerchio: well why would I read the rules if I can have astrobytes read it for me
Scarfield: xD
Nerchio: :sunglasses:
Astrobytes: Nerchio: :rofl:
Wontonimo: i've read the rules but can't see what the strike distance is. how close does a monster and hero have to be for the hero to strike ?
Hjax: After a hero's move phase, any monsters within 800 units will suffer 2 points of damage.
Wontonimo: thanks !
orangesnowfox: lmao I just quoted that like 2 minutes ago
Wontonimo: lol
Tiramon: Wontonimo
Scarfield: "After a hero's move phase, any monsters within 800 units will suffer 2 points of damage"
Tiramon: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/28d46d77-4209-4fbc-a270-9d53e5a14fb3
Wontonimo: i hange my head in shame
Astrobytes: Latefield
Tiramon: hm know he will made a paste
Tiramon: that are most constants i found/use by now
PatrickMcGinnisII: how often does mob hp go up by .5?
Scarfield: *chat freeze* obviously ahem
Astrobytes: :grin:
llllllllll: 83%, please just let me through :D
orangesnowfox: plssss
Astrobytes: where you been hiding orangesnowfox, didn't see you in ages
Quidome: hm, it is very slow, went shopping got back and still not finished :(
Astrobytes: same for me earlier, almost 2 hours to get to bronze lol
Quidome: Want to have the next ruleset :P
orangesnowfox: Astrobytes, serious answer or joke answer?
Tiramon: ok i get killed by default ais wind ... sad ...
Astrobytes: orangesnowfox: serious I guess?
orangesnowfox: hospitals and a lack of motivation to do anything.
Astrobytes: orangesnowfox: cool, I feel that
Astrobytes: nice to have you back regardless
Quidome: yes! promotion to wood 1 in 26 sec, finally...
orangesnowfox: aye
Fallback: is pragma once not working for anybody else?
Astrobytes: health issues I empathise with, my problem is a *lack* of hospital :/
Astrobytes: Fallback: why are you using #pragma once?
Fallback: I have multiple files and I get them condense them into one using a VS extension codingame-merge
Astrobytes: oh right, offline, thought you meant in the CG IDE :D
Astrobytes: not sure, I don't use that, does it have any documentation? it might look for traditional include guards
Astrobytes: or a specific //COMMENT or something
Tiramon: no idea if they still use that as onsite ide-> https://github.com/ajaxorg/ace/wiki/Default-Keyboard-Shortcuts
orangesnowfox: ah, yes, Astrobytes, that would be the other side of the coin
8swaglord24: anyone know if there are rules against putting my code publicly on github?
Astrobytes: Yeah: don't
8swaglord24: okey dokey
Astrobytes: orangesnowfox: life sucks at times eh
orangesnowfox: ye
Astrobytes: we killed the chat :tada:
orangesnowfox: that's rare during compo time
Astrobytes: indeed it is
orangesnowfox: I like how my wood2 bot is good enough for bronze lmao, nothing can easily beat the magic strategy of "kill things that will hurt you" so far apparently
Astrobytes: yeah, nice easy bronze this time around
PatrickMcGinnisII: and SITSTILL mode isn't good enough... so that works
orangesnowfox: it also means there's literally no point in doing anything other than datastructures while waiting for bronze lol
Astrobytes: you could read the referee :D
orangesnowfox: ah, there's that too
orangesnowfox: I do have some data structures that need nicening, heh, probably that then ref
Astrobytes: I won't do anything serious in that regard until tomorrow
orangesnowfox: wrt ref? or?
Astrobytes: writing my real bot :)
orangesnowfox: bc of lack of silver?
Astrobytes: laziness and sore back
Astrobytes: in the meantime I can tweak some values from a comfortable position
orangesnowfox: makes sense
ganbat24: is there any spendable token i should be aware of?
Astrobytes: No.
ganbat24: like limited test runs
Astrobytes: oh yeah, ide plays are limited
ganbat24: i can just keep running my code on any of them?
ganbat24: wait really
Astrobytes: also submits
Astrobytes: there's a cooldown for each, not sure what it's at these days but it's more limited than it used to be
PatrickMcGinnisII: I thought it was like 5 in 2 minutes...I'm probably wrong tho
ganbat24: oh thats alot
orangesnowfox: huh, that's a... *lot* more limited than I thought
ganbat24: i thought it would be like 1 per hour
Astrobytes: not when you make small changes it isn't
orangesnowfox: ^ I make *tons* of changes
Astrobytes: orangesnowfox: they limited it a few contests back iirc
Astrobytes: and then kept it for regular use too (outside of competition time)
ganbat24: play my code first then test in arena correct?
orangesnowfox: yeah, I remember there being a limit put in, just didn't realize it was that harsh.
Astrobytes: It puts me off spending much time on here these days tbh
ganbat24: I am just gonna play the template code first
Hedkleaf: Guys where i can see rules about league changing?
Wontonimo: beat the boss
Hedkleaf: i beat the boss 2 hours ago
cegprakash: lmao default bot is funny
cegprakash: in bronze league
cegprakash: lmao
Hedkleaf: how i can change league?
ganbat24: you beat boss
Quidome: beat the boss in the arena that is
Hjax: you cant just beat the boss, you need to be higher ranked than the boss when your matches finish
Wontonimo: ^^
ganbat24: isnt that same as beating the boss
Hedkleaf: yes im in top 30 im wood league
orangesnowfox: ganbat24, not quite
cegprakash: Hedkleaf wait for 100% completion
ganbat24: well ill try to beat wood 2 first
Quidome: and indeed it's super duper slow
ganbat24: wood 2 then wood 1 ?
IvesL: an hour per promotion
orangesnowfox: technically, you could lose to the boss but win to every other bot and rank higher that way
Quidome: yep and then bronze
ganbat24: has anyone reached silver
Quidome: not open yet
orangesnowfox: silver isn't open yet
Astrobytes: not open yet
ganbat24: oh
ganbat24: when does it open?
Astrobytes: at 1650812400000
orangesnowfox: people are really tempting me to write a FAQ for this compo, so that I can just paste it all the time
Quidome: :joy:
Quidome: sunday
IrakliButu: lmao wtf is this map
IrakliButu: chat*
Hedkleaf: last question leagues changed automaticaly or i need find some secret button? :D
PatrickMcGinnisII: seems like referee posted only shows wood1 enabling wind and fog, but weatching leaderboard games, looks like bronze opens them all up
Th1nhNg0: wow, Im passing wood 1 without doing anything @@
orangesnowfox: Hedkleaf, automatically
Th1nhNg0: maybe the bot is too weak?
Astrobytes: wood league bosses are supposed to be weak
Th1nhNg0: I didn't use any spell and can beat bronze bot
orangesnowfox: *shrug* I won't complain about being able to have time to clean up my messes lol
ganbat24: nobody can see my code right?
Astrobytes: correct
IvesL: i guess admin could?
orangesnowfox: theoretically admin can, yeah.
FrankR: wrong.. you can see it.. or at least I guess so 🙈
Astrobytes: checked for duplicates at contest end yes
Astrobytes: if users have the same code then one or more are removed from the lb
orangesnowfox: lmao, my bot is 99% going to be unique just for being in Rust.
Astrobytes: nah, at the very least d bdr writes in Rust
PatrickMcGinnisII: watched rust stream on twitch earlier...hmm 48 so far
PatrickMcGinnisII: VB and F# are rare
orangesnowfox: lmao so you're telling me to resubmit my bot in VB right before compo ends ok
PatrickMcGinnisII: what for achievment in a language
Astrobytes: VB is disgusting and F# is very niche
Astrobytes: here at least
orangesnowfox: nah, that tracks with global sentiment
Astrobytes: :D
Most of the functional peeps go for Haskell here
PatrickMcGinnisII: better off with CP for ranking
ganbat24: what are theses half red circles?
Astrobytes: submission completion?
PatrickMcGinnisII: :nerd: your eyes?
Astrobytes: Either that or you're hallucinating
Astrobytes: if you hover over the circles you should see a percentage
VaseSimion: Does anyone know if the boss will be harder than the AI in bronze now?
Topjimmies: 100th down to 500th after I started using spells :joy:
Astrobytes: VaseSimion: the boss will be chosen from the users in Bronze before silver opens
llllllllll: it is always harder
IvesL: that means you are born to be a warrior rather than mages
VaseSimion: thanks :)
Astrobytes: np
GingerFan301: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/621313946
Could someone explain how I lost this? I felt like my units spend more time outside the base than the opponent
Wontonimo: oh, orangesnowfox you are killing wood 1
orangesnowfox: nothing beats the magic strat of "kill things that want to kill me" at this stage lol
Wontonimo: lol ! what a simple strat !
8swaglord24: hey that's my strat too!
Nerchio: how do i make new units
orangesnowfox: you don't
orangesnowfox: afaik
Astrobytes: this aint SC Nerchio :P
Nerchio: lame
Miroslav27: your football team has only 3 players, one in field, one in defense, and one is trying to make some score
Nerchio: wrong they all follow the closest bug
PatrickMcGinnisII: GingerFan301 tiebreaker went to mana I think
Miroslav27: try to push it in direction of opponents base
einaj: What does the number next to the battle progress circle mean?
Astrobytes: that's your score
Astrobytes: calculated via a trueskill-like algo
GingerFan301: @PatrickMcGinnisll Yes that seems to be the case, my question is how did I lose by around 200 mana?
struct: anyone else not getting end game screens?
mnechromancer: yoooo shield and control spells are nuts
Astrobytes: yes struct
einaj: oh, I was confused because some people with a lot higher rank had lower scores
8swaglord24: "Wild mana" is considered mana that you earned outside your base
Astrobytes: Are there supposed to be any?
struct: yes
PatrickMcGinnisII: " won the game because their heroes gained more mana outside of their base:" GingerFan301
Astrobytes: well I haven't seen a single one yet
Don_Nicolas: chavules
Don_Nicolas: que taaal
PatrickMcGinnisII: apparently it doesn't matter how much you spent
Don_Nicolas: wasup
Killearnith: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1a314fa9-cc6d-43ee-9c49-0c3fa68a5c93
Slidax: im the best programmer
orangesnowfox: ayy, bronze promo in 10s
MaestroDePiton: slidax la xupa
Astrobytes: :tada:
juice0: one more time for when the silver league starts please
Don_Nicolas: no biaches?
Astrobytes: MODS
struct: Stop spamming chat
MaestroDePiton: wakanda foreva
mnechromancer: have fun with shield and control spells
ganbat24: aight first naive approach implemented
ganbat24: aand it does not work
struct: battles are stuck?
Astrobytes: don't think so
Astrobytes: just hideously slow
struct: yeah you are right
struct: good thing I havent started yet :p
Wontonimo: it's amazing how much better my bot does when it is using the correct variables
Astrobytes: yes you have :D
Astrobytes: lol Wontonimo
struct: At least I will learn math for this one
Nerchio: my bot does better when it doesn't play any games
Wontonimo: no PID controller needed in this one
struct: math is still needed though
orangesnowfox: ... my bot is better than it has any right to be wtheck
struct: To check if the line the units are heading will hit my base radius
SashaNukem: is there a vim plugin for this editor?
ganbat24: i have a function called isThreat that just returns true but its actually detecting?
Astrobytes: settings on the left, choose vim mode
Astrobytes: @SashaNukem
Scarfield: @strobytes
SashaNukem: Thank you :)
Astrobytes: np
Astrobytes: Sc@rfield
Scarfield: finally figured out a few bugs, coome oon submit :p
Scarfield: mana use doesnt affect wild mana collected right=
struct: yeah
Nerchio: struct I think you get input if the monsters are in trajectory to your base or not
Scarfield: only if they are inside the base, and will target it
orangesnowfox: (you do, and the way the ref does it is really cute, it just sims movement for 8k turns lol)
struct: lol
Nerchio: are you sure Scarfield?
struct: no
struct: if its heading towards the radius
struct: the referee gives it
orangesnowfox: Scarfield is wrong, sorry bud.
orangesnowfox: ye
struct: threatFor
Scarfield: the needed percentage for a submit to keep going even if going offline is 10% right?
Nerchio: "threatFor"
Nerchio: yeah
Scarfield: nooo
Nerchio: so don't really need intersection maths at the start at least
orangesnowfox: That's how I chose which enemy to kill
Nerchio: maybe for more advanced stuff
Scarfield: just read the rules :'(
orangesnowfox: is that present or past tense? :p
madninjaskillz: is it correct i cant read my own mana? I can read the enemies but i always get zero for my own?
IvesL: quite similar to fantastic bits isnt it
Scarfield: :p
IvesL: in another way round
Wontonimo: you've got a bug madninjaskillz
Scarfield: madninjaskillz you read them in a loop, and probably overwrite your own mana with opponent mana
madninjaskillz: ive tried directly writing out what i get on the console.readline - the first one always ends with a zero.
Wontonimo: try using the default code first
struct: are you sure you are not printing it before reading it?
madninjaskillz: yup :( im about to try using a different language to see if it behaves differently
Nerchio: i mean ok wood2 and 1 are a joke its literally 1 liner
Wontonimo: thanks for making me feel bad
Wontonimo: :P
Nerchio: i remember how difficult ocean of code wood was lol
orangesnowfox: @nerchio 12 liner for logic because I'm special and use rust
PatrickMcGinnisII: everyone run from bugs, I need a boost
orangesnowfox: tell you what, I'll push bugs closer to you :p
orangesnowfox: that should help you out right /j
PatrickMcGinnisII: 150 lines for data and structures...and all i still do is move 700 700. My time will come
struct: :D
8swaglord24: anyone know what version Python 3 is?
Wontonimo: 3
ManelBC: print(sys.version)
Astrobytes: 3.9.12
surgutti: lol, i've submited some greedy heuristic an hour ago and got 8th place
Astrobytes: See: Languages update in the forum
Nerchio: my data structures are git clone starter kit
Nerchio: cause i am lazy
Astrobytes: surgutti :tada:
struct: starter kit?
orangesnowfox: I wish I had made them that generic
PatrickMcGinnisII: i think there are kits for javaa and c++
struct: oh I see them now
PatrickMcGinnisII: not php of course
struct: Usually they are made by the testers
PatrickMcGinnisII: oops PY not C++
PatrickMcGinnisII: oh there is CS
struct: They asked last time, but I could not code the hex grid with c++
struct: too much work
Nerchio: I mean not much is there but still :joy:
struct: and I would not make a starter using bitboards
PatrickMcGinnisII: 11 data points for each entity, smh
surgutti: has anyone tried making a broom from heroes and melting bugs in the middle of the board?
PatrickMcGinnisII: I need a compass
Nerchio: PatrickMcGinnisII premature optimization... you know how it goes
PatrickMcGinnisII: hard to sim enemy with fog
PatrickMcGinnisII: hmm, they took some AI routes out of the mix
PatrickMcGinnisII: poor struct
ganbat24: hahaha my bot lost half of the time because i thought i am always on the top left side
orangesnowfox: ganbot: the map is mirrored, soooo, you can just reverse everything and continue pretending you're on the top left lol
ganbat24: yeah i am gonna do that x:=17630-x
Dr-D: Aaaand I forgot to un-mirror the coordinates for the output =D
orangesnowfox: ganbat24: don't forget Y
Nerchio: hmm thats true you can mirror in the fog of war
ganbat24: hmmm still lost 4
SabertheLost: woot I´m rank 25 bronze, how is it possible
8swaglord24: wow gratz!
PatrickMcGinnisII: drop replay
SabertheLost: https://www.codingame.com/replay/621291977
SabertheLost: what is wild mana? :)
Topjimmies: earning mana outside of your base
ganbat24: finally found the bug
ganbat24: bruh im rank 412 / 415
ganbat24: oh no nvm
Thibauld: Managed to get a tie on the the exact same turn as the boss.. who wins then?
Nerchio: i think the one who gathered more wild mana but i didnt read the rules
Thibauld: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d4df67fa-5ac3-4601-9d2e-ec17fdec753b
Nerchio: Scarfield you will soon be in bronze grat
Nerchio: z
Nerchio: :tropical_drink:
Waffle3z: would be interesting to be able to tell where 1st place bots in the past would place in the present if they were submitted again, just to find out how good current bots already are in hindsight
PatrickMcGinnisII: BOSS 2 failed a WIND: Not enough mana ... :egg::taco::custard:
Iugi: does the baseX variable work for you?
Iugi: mine doesnt work somehow
struct: yes
Iugi: ok
yhyoxx: works for me it's either 0 or 17630
Iugi: the thing is if I try to use it it always says baseX cannot be resolved to a variable
Iugi: do you know why?
orangesnowfox: Just to be clear what I'm reading from ref code: controlling a mob in a direction means it will keep moving that way (if it isn't in range of a base)?
Astrobytes: afaik yers
Astrobytes: or yes
struct: which language lugi?
Iugi: java
MichExpatMatt: Is it possible to re-copy your own current code from the arena to the IDE, if you decide you don't like changes you made after submitting code to the arena?
yhyoxx: make sure the u didnt overwrite the part of the script where the variable is initialized
ganbat24: how do i promote i got rank 31 in wood 2
struct: you can check your submit history MichExpatMatt
yhyoxx: yes it is possible to get the code you published
struct: on the left
Dr-D: @MichExpatMatt there is a History Button on the left ;)
struct: ganbat24 you must be above the boss after you get all the battles done
Astrobytes: ganbat24: are you above the boss?
ganbat24: where is the boss
Wontonimo: behind you !
Dr-D: in wood 1: around place 200
Wontonimo: or infront
Wontonimo: yeah, that's about right
orangesnowfox: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/3297c5714be55f900028750e8ecb8b51d6aa4551/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Referee.java#L501-L516 it looks like it will keep going in the same direction ("if new speed != 0 setSpeed")
Astrobytes: click on leaderboard and scroll til you see it
raxkin: Hey, all rules are in bronze? or in silver there are more rules?
Wontonimo: in the 'last battles' it is either above you (you are not good enough) or below you (you are great)
struct: its not possible to know where the new units will spawn is it?
orangesnowfox: raxkin: all rules are in bronze ye
ganbat24: yes it is below me
PatrickMcGinnisII: kindaa struct
Wontonimo: then you just need to wait for all your battles to complete and you will get permoted ganbat24
orangesnowfox: struct: they spawn symmetrically, so if you know where one spawned you know where the other spawned, plus Java rng is easily crackable lol
ganbat24: what if i have a better solution do i have to wait for all of em to finish?
Wontonimo: go ahead an resubmit ... but you'll have to wait again :O
Wontonimo: if your current bot will get promoted, I wouldn't resubmit. the wait could be a long time
ganbat24: damn its only halfway there
orangesnowfox: plus you know what turns have a spawn
Wontonimo: yeah, promoted. I've been bronzed
ganbat24: les goo im wood 2 rank 18
Wontonimo: nice !
ganbat24: does it just keeps going up until i promote?
ganbat24: the rank
Astrobytes: if you are winning yes
ganbat24: how long did yall wait?
orangesnowfox: ~2h from wood 2 to bronze
Astrobytes: 2 hours to bronze
struct: orangesnowfox but the number of posssible seeds is too high
dreadylein: mhh doubt :D
struct: it used to be 32 bits
struct: but now its 64 bits
dreadylein: its 48bits
dreadylein: or did they change this ?
struct: I mean the seed they give to the referee
dreadylein: yeah but java prng only uses 48 of it
dreadylein: :)
struct: ah ok
struct: still would be too much to reverse :p
dreadylein: but thats not soomuch the point, the data you get about the spawns slowly leaks the internal state
Astrobytes: ^ plays too many CTFs :D
struct: yeah you can reverse it but I dont think its feasible with the time you get
dreadylein: mh should be, but i dont see enough benefit
dreadylein: you see a lot of prng calls, slowly leaking the state, the more you get the less work is needed
Iugi: anyone know why baseX in java doesnt work?
dreadylein: @lugi what you mean with doesnt work ?
Iugi: i cant use it
Nerchio: works for me
Nerchio: maybe you changed the way you read input
Iugi: it says baseX cannot be resolved to a variable
orangesnowfox: there's still the whole symmetry thing too, you only need to recognize one spawn to find the other one
Nerchio: lugi you need to declare it I guess?
Iugi: it is declared by the perwritten program
ManelBC: prob using it out of scope
Astrobytes: ^
dreadylein: good call yeah
Iugi: out of scope?
ManelBC: does this help https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21147813/java-variable-scope
MeWhenI: puts "MOVE " + move_coords + (my_health > op_health ? "git gud" : "")
MeWhenI: psychological warfare strategy
NicoI6: guys i am frustrated i try to code but i cant. i wanted to learn python3, but i understand nothing, apart from some definiton functions
Iugi: try to do the easy practice levels on this website
Iugi: like the descendant
Astrobytes: *descent
Iugi: oops
Astrobytes: ;)
Zirgons: Where can you read on wild mana?
struct: cant
NicoI6: On activities > practice?
orangesnowfox: wild mana is mana collected while not in range of your base
NicoI6: or learn?
orangesnowfox: >
In case of a tie, the player who gained the highest amount of mana outside the radius of their base will win. this is called wild mana.
Zirgons: Ooo, okki dokiii, thanks Orange :D
Astrobytes: Nicol6: Activities->Practice yes
NicoI6: ok well i try my best
Astrobytes: it's not the best place to learn absolute basics unless you're very determined tbh
ZarthaxX: prepare too get frustrated
ZarthaxX: to*
Astrobytes: ZarthaxXastrator!
ZarthaxX: ASTROBAYTOLOCTO
ZarthaxX: howdy dude
struct: hi zarthax
Astrobytes: how are you my dude
ZarthaxX: structooo
ZarthaxX: just passing by
NicoI6: ik but i am lazy and i want to learn it. Its hard
ZarthaxX: having hard days, really exhausted
ZarthaxX: just checking out the replays of this game
ZarthaxX: how are you guys doing? :)
Astrobytes: I feel ya. It's kinda fun
Astrobytes: Same old crap here
ZarthaxX: is it? i felt like it was too much with all the fog and amount of spiders going around spwaning randomnly
PatrickMcGinnisII: ZarthaxX you southern _____, good to c ya
ZarthaxX: mah man same old crap haha
ZarthaxX: patrickkk
ZarthaxX: hello my guy
ZarthaxX: hopefully i will be back in a couple months when uni finally almost dies
InstantWin: butcher2013 good plays fuiyoh
Astrobytes: fog isn't the worst atm, may get worse later on, too early for a real opinion
Iugi: how do i declare baseX to a bigger scope?
Astrobytes: worse = more significant
ZarthaxX: mmm
Astrobytes: ZarthaxX: just keep your head down and push through man
ZarthaxX: yeah im curious about what strategies people will come up with
ZarthaxX: yeah trying, but this next week is hell
Iugi: how do I save my code?
yhyoxx: saved automatically
Iugi: thx
Iugi: gn
PatrickMcGinnisII: struct I think spawn locations are X in range 8815+/-5000. if that makes sense
ZarthaxX: next week final exam on tuesday and exam on friday feels bad Astrobytes
ZarthaxX: trying to not burn out
LamaM: what rank is the boss in bronze?
Astrobytes: ZarthaxX: That's harsh I admit, but I believe in you dude
Astrobytes: Focus
ZarthaxX: trying
ZarthaxX: ty :)
Astrobytes: When you get a bit overwhelmed, focus on the problematic areas if there are any
ZarthaxX: are you going to try contest for the 10 days ?
Xionfri: yo why you bitches hiding your code
Astrobytes: Probably
ZarthaxX: yeah but i also need to take a break because my head is overwhelmed with info
ZarthaxX: i will be watching then hehe :)
Astrobytes: Oh yeah, for sure, you gotta take some time out mate
Astrobytes: Otherwise you just get overload
Topjimmies: this seems buggy, no matter what I do I can't get my guy to cast control
Astrobytes: That's why you gotta focus on THE most important parts. In short bursts of study remember
Astrobytes: go hard -> break -> go not so hard -> break -> etc
Astrobytes: it worked for me at least, you know yourself ;)
Wontonimo: wow, my bot is really bad in bronze league. obviously bronze league has a lot more competition than wood2
struct: do you use spells Wontonimo?
Wontonimo: it's my wood1 bot. just uses wind
struct: also dont forget you probably will need wild mana to avoid draws
struct: ah
Wontonimo: gotta go. See ya later
Astrobytes: later dude
struct: cya
ZarthaxX: Astrobytes yeah i missed doing the breaks part today and i went all in
ZarthaxX: bad plan, i should stop trying doing it hehe
ZarthaxX: wonto D:
Astrobytes: exactly ZarthaxX, your poor brain needs a lil time to recover!
Astrobytes: cramming works to an extent but it's no use in the longer term
Nerchio: damn already 1200 ppl in bronze
Topjimmies: ok, something is fucked up, I took out WIND entirely from my code, and it is still casting it :thinking:
Astrobytes: pebcac
Topjimmies: When you press play my code, it is supposed to use the code that is currently in the editor right?
Astrobytes: yep
Astrobytes: as long as you have your ide code selected in the player slots that is
Topjimmies: well, I commented out my print("SPELL WIND") and it still uses it
salamender: Hello, how to print a message above a hero in the spring challenge please ?
Lysk: add something at the end of your order "MOVE 10 10 say hello"
salamender: Thanks :)
Nico_404: Can someone help by idk how to start the code: i have to destroy the mountains before my starship collides with one of them
Topjimmies: Ah, I didn't know that was an option, thanks. had my arena code selected
Astrobytes: np :)
Astrobytes: easy to mix up at times
Topjimmies: been spending the past hour tweaking settings for no reason
Astrobytes: lol, time for a screen break imo :D
dreadylein: weakness ! :P
PatrickMcGinnisII: me too
Astrobytes: lol
dreadylein: just kidding ;) its a good call ^^
AlMualem: this the moment that i cant think anything more for today and i am just replaying my code to just seek for weaknesses
orangesnowfox: weakness leaving the bot is weakness leaving the bot.
Astrobytes: AlMualem: also watch replays of other games that aren't yours
AlMualem: the butcher has 1M views just from me :P
Astrobytes: :rofl:
yhyoxx: where can i watch the butcher ?
AlMualem: but i am too tired at the moment to implement anything :P i am here since the start ahhaah
orangesnowfox: replays that aren't yours are basically the best way to ~~steal~~ obtain ideas
AlMualem: go to leaderboard and you can see the top 10
AlMualem: below from each one there is an option "View last battles" ...click that
Astrobytes: (click on Ful Leaderboard at the top first)
Astrobytes: *Full
Astrobytes: Leaderboard->Full Leaderboard->View Last Battles
burnpanck: Hey guys, from reading the source code of the challenge, I conclude that the bottom-right pixel is in fact one less than the value given in the description - can anyone confirm that?
AlMualem: oh god how much i love dev communities....you wont see this atmosphere anywhere else
Astrobytes: AlMualem :D
ganbat24: rank 6 les goo only 5 till promotion
AlMualem: burnpanck i think that it can be confirm just by hovering in the map at the game...top left isnt 0,0
AlMualem: confirmed*
burnpanck: AlMualem not sure I trust the view on this; my source are the `baseWallIntersection` and `snapToGameZone` functions in Referee.java, which do in fact treat 0 as the minimum acceptable coordinate, but WIDTH-1/HEIGHT-1 as the maximum acceptable coordinate
Astrobytes: yes, 0 to width - 1 sounds about right...
a-Rye: Nicol6 for that one, you want to pay attention to the index, based on the height value.
AlMualem: hm...interesting
ganbat24: i guesss i dont need to update my code for wood 1?
struct: yes bottom right is width - 1
struct: same for height
struct: https://i.imgur.com/qrbEaIO.png
Astrobytes: it's what you get when you count from 0...
struct: yeah but the statement might confuse some
burnpanck: it is - except for that the description explicitly states that (0/0) is an actual map pixel, as is (17630/9000)
Astrobytes: ah fair point
struct: ah now I know why end game didnt show
struct: it doesnt show if debug is active
Astrobytes: ohhh
Astrobytes: yes, good spot
Astrobytes: it should imo
struct: yeah
struct: it does for other games
Astrobytes: please pass that on if you can
struct: I posted on forum
struct: that it only shows if debug is off
Astrobytes: oh nice one
Astrobytes: thanks :)
dbdr: hm, are you guys sure? I see:
Vector[] corners = new Vector[] { new Vector(0, 0), new Vector(Configuration.MAP_WIDTH, Configuration.MAP_HEIGHT) };
Loulou6: can someone kindly remind me how to output debug message in c++ in coding game ?
struct: well I tried to move a unit there and didnt work
dbdr: can you go to 0,0?
struct: yes
burnpanck: dbdr: indeed - however, `corners` seems to only be used during the initialisation of the heros, but `snapToGameZone` limits to one less. seems like the hero initialisation is not 100 % fair
Astrobytes: dbdr: yeah but in the other snapToGameZone method it corrects it to this
Astrobytes: what burnpanck said :+1:
struct: snapToGameZone
struct: oh
dbdr: so, it's not symmetrical
Astrobytes: I think that's the consensus
dbdr: there are three corners :D
Astrobytes: :rofl:
ganbat24: daaaamn butcher2013 is good
ganbat24: what is the score ?
aldo._.15: how i make when he takes a curve to slow speed?
ganbat24: my code is not working on the 2nd boss?
ganbat24: the inputs are messed up?
struct: should not happen
struct: inputs remain the same
Astrobytes: pebcac
ganbat24: oh nvm
actualCoderTrevor: Wood 1 babieeeeeeee! :muscle_tone2:
aldo._.15: i won but nothing happens
aldo._.15: i won t get to next stage
aldo._.15: nice learning site
aldo._.15: my robot made the 1s
aldo._.15: t
aldo._.15: and nobody is helping me
elderlybeginner: was boss on wood1 changed a moment ago?
It seems to play with different strategy
actualCoderTrevor: Aldo, what do you mean "You won?" Did you click "Test in Arena"?
Tuo: So if i control a creature it will continue going in that direction even after the spell is over?
orangesnowfox: huh, random thing I just thought of: technically intersection code to tell if a mob will attack your base is incorrect because it could skip over the base, with how to ref is written
ganbat24: what do u mean skip over the base
orangesnowfox: like if the mob goes out of bounds on the same turn it ends up in the base radius, it won't turn around from out of bounds to attack the base, it'll just... despawn
orangesnowfox: even if it goes through the inside of the base detection
ganbat24: i see
Astrobytes: is damage still applied?
ganbat24: i just got to btonze without wind lol
Astrobytes: a lot of us did
orangesnowfox: Astrobytes, I'm talking specifically about detection range
Astrobytes: ah ok
ganbat24: where is ai on leaderboard
orangesnowfox: like, from, say, x=5003,y=200 to x=4950, y=-10 (or smth) even though that line goes *through* the base detection range the mob won't detect the base
orangesnowfox: *if that line doesn't go through the range, please imagine a different line
Astrobytes: I get you
Astrobytes: anyway, literally can't sit up much more today, cya'll tomorrow
PatrickMcGinnisII: 2nd submit of the day...and I'm out too
CoolandonRS: How much can the spiders move in a turn in the spring challange?
PatrickMcGinnisII: MOB_MOVE_SPEED = 400
CoolandonRS: is that constant?
PatrickMcGinnisII: it's static, but it doesn't change as far as i know
CoolandonRS: alright, thanks.
DollarAkshay: Every turn do the monsters move first or the heroes ?
CoolandonRS: heros
PatrickMcGinnisII: looks like imma promote
SandmanSW96: what was the name of the last event puzzle ?
SandmanSW96: before the clash even and this one
SandmanSW96: event*
struct: escape?
SandmanSW96: the cat yeah
TheRamenMan: cat
SandmanSW96: thx
TheRamenMan: cat
kreska: PatrickMcGinnisll in wood I best players have strong bots i promoted like 30 minutes ago and im top 121 with the same bot from wood 1 and i was like top 8 in wood1
PatrickMcGinnisII: battle progress is slower now than ever
PatrickMcGinnisII: I just had to move around a bit to pass boss on wood1
msumera: well, it's enough to write 5 lines of code and attack the closest monster to the base to get out of wood :) now with spells the real challenge begins
iTsluku: how to rankup again? im rank15 in wood2 rn xd
PatrickMcGinnisII: be better than the boss
Tuo: + it takes some time
kreska: msumera i couldn't get out of wood without wind spell
iTsluku: ah i just ranked up, guess time was the issue
msumera: the battles take quite a lot of time
msumera: maybe i was just lucky then, my bot was quite simple and got out of wood after ~3 hours of battles
kreska: msumera oh i understand now i did not wait that much long without trying to chenge strategy
kreska: but i was surprised that the top 10 bots in wood I were strong in my opinion and still werent promoted that fast
struct: well they need to complete all the battles to get promoted
struct: there are 411 submits atm
kreska: i have no idea is this big number or not :D intuition tells me its pretty big compring to 2388 competing right now
Tanvir: What is default AI?
DollarAkshay: " even from monsters with no health left." What does this mean ?
Asterixk: if 2 of your heroes hit a 1 hp spider, you still get 4 mana
DollarAkshay: ahh okay
PatrickMcGinnisII: ok, bronze, gheesh
Nmurphy: I am looking at some of the games. in lost and almost all of them regardless of if i am winning it just stops and says the other person won. I am pretty new to the website
PatrickMcGinnisII: bad output will kill u too
CoolandonRS: does wind not effect people behind you?
kreska: i think wid affect all monsters and opoonent heros inside the range no matter if they behind
kreska: wind
CoolandonRS: Yeah I thought that too but it doesn't look like the case, so wanted to double check
Thibauld: Can a hero move and cast a spell on the same turn, or does it have to choose one?
CoolandonRS: one action per hero
MaroIsLife: Im getting black screen on the spring challenge
MaroIsLife: Any idea how to fix that?
elderlybeginner: MaroIsLife : First - I would check it in another web browser
MaroIsLife: Already tried that didn't work
elderlybeginner: When silver league opens?
mybk: I think: GMT: Sunday 24 April 2022 15:00:00
DollarAkshay: will silver league have new rules ?
mybk: no
elderlybeginner: Bronze pop-up: "You have unlocked the full game!"
ZarthaxX: DollarAkshay nope, in general bronze is the end
Westicles: rank 1604/1651. dang, must have barely made it
Waffle3z: wondering how high you can get in bronze using no spells
orangesnowfox: ~750 right now
orangesnowfox: I was up at just under 500 earlier
orangesnowfox: uhh, generally "halfway up bronze"
orangesnowfox: ... until more people start using spells :p
msumera: 533 right now without spells
orangesnowfox: your bot is clearly better than mine :p
orangesnowfox: tbf I'm still using my wood2 submit
msumera: i just prepared a bot using spells, i'm about to submit it
it's pretty dumb, but let's see how it does :)
kreska: im 39 :D
msumera: nice, my spell bot got 20 wins out of 24 battles and now 260th
kreska: wow that is nice
therealbeef: hmm, there's no way to know the opponent's wild mana, right?
orangesnowfox: you can... Guess? You can know a lower and upper bound
struct: You kinda can
struct: but not perfect
therealbeef: it's quite unusual though to have a game where you don't know if you're going to win or lose even in the last turn
therealbeef: interesting
struct: the units that would be within your base radius would also be in the opponent if they have not been killed yet
therealbeef: by the way, when they say wild mana 'gained', do they mean the total gained, or minus the amount spent?
struct: ofc this is easy more said than done
orangesnowfox: total
therealbeef: thanks
Thibauld: Initially there was only one scan for the base health and mana, only for your own base. Did the second league add a scan for your enemy's mana? I put myself in the bottom right corner and I'm getting the mana values for my opponent's base.. :/
orangesnowfox: > the units that would be within your base radius would also be in the opponent if they have not been killed yet
Not quite true, I control mobs that would go... off the map before getting to a base. Those mobs would go to the opponent base but not mine :p
8swaglord24: @thibauld just noticed this too! really annoying bug
TheBriar: had the same, added a second scan and now its fine
struct: ofc orangesnowfox
struct: I dont do this at all
Camboui: ooooooooooooooowwwwwww that exlains why I'm tryharding for nothing :D
struct: I havent started coding yet
orangesnowfox: ye
Thibauld: Ah, it was always scanning for both bases, I just never noticed and was always using the wrong values lmao
struct: Time to start coding :)
orangesnowfox: ... okay, spamming ctrl should *not* be as effective as it is, I sincerely hope I get hard countered by tomorrow morning lmao
struct: What are you using ctrl for?
struct: to send units to opponent base?
orangesnowfox: yep, I'm just spamming the heck out of it with basically every neutral mob (every mob that will just go off the side of the map) I'm at 522 bronze currently (still submitting), my bot's main problem is not being able to handle defense lol
struct: I think early game is not worth to send them
struct: but I might be wrong
orangesnowfox: probably not, but... tbh I never run out of mana anyway
struct: you can try this to defend
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/621137531
struct: what red player does
orangesnowfox: huh, that's a strat.
orangesnowfox: and then red wins on wildmana
orangesnowfox: ... Reds strat might be somewhat improvable by using the mobs for massive mana gain to send waves at the opponent. Also, red is counterable via shield
Wontonimo: hi
struct: hi Wontonimo
orangesnowfox: hi
struct: and also counterable if the opponent pushes and uses wind
Wontonimo: or shield
struct: shield seems op
struct: 12 rounds
orangesnowfox: Wontonimo shield is what I said at first :p
Wontonimo: that's pretty funny though. I'll call him the Air Bender
Wontonimo: I caught up ! yeah me!
(oh, sorry orangesnowfox)
orangesnowfox: that's fine :p
orangesnowfox: ... Yeah, my strat should not be doing nearly as well as it does lmao, 388 rn
Wontonimo: Square1001 is 80th. That's the airbender
orangesnowfox: I'm only half through submitting and my rank keeps climbing for no good reason
pmor: there are a lot of strats no one is using yet
orangesnowfox: like barrycenters
pmor: heya Wontonimo
struct: Can't wait for Daporan to submit on last second with some cheesy strat
Wontonimo: hey pmor ! :beer:
Wontonimo: I like you strat orangesnowfox ! Send them away
pmor: been awhile. haven't had any time to do any challenges.
struct: the isControlled doesnt change right?
MeWhenI: MOVE 621 173
WIND 8815 4500
MOVE 5337 2658
MeWhenI: could anyone tell me why this output makes me fail?
struct: after someone casts control it will remain 1?
pmor: This challenge was done by my company a couple years ago. Winner did a cheese strat right at the end :P
Thibauld: SPELL WIND X Y
orangesnowfox: struct no, it'll go back down to zero after a turn
MeWhenI: aha, thank you
struct: oh thanks
struct: pmor this exact challenge?
struct: or something similar?
pmor: exact
struct: thanks orangesnowfox
MeWhenI: pmor was it hosted on this site?
pmor: yeah
MeWhenI: oh huh
MeWhenI: i didnt know they reused these
struct: neither did I
pmor: I guess we were the guinea pigs
MeWhenI: wonder if anyone at ur company saved their sol
pmor: its a fun challenge. The best bots were heuristics
struct: also might be easier to implement cheesy strats
pmor: fun to do some bastard strats to the enemy players
struct: with lower ammount of players
mybk: genetic algorithm is a bad idea for this challenge ?
pmor: That's what I tried, I didn't do very well
pmor: The imperfect information hurts it
mybk: emm how many episodes you simulate
pmor: Don't remember. It was a couple years ago
Thibauld: In order to get wild mana, does the hero or the spider need to be in the green zone?
Wontonimo: hero at least 5000 from base
pmor: They need to be outside of your base perimeter
struct: The hero or the spider?
orangesnowfox: just the hero, thanks for making me look that up lmao
struct: are you 100% sure?
orangesnowfox: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/3297c5714be55f900028750e8ecb8b51d6aa4551/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Referee.java#L563
struct: thanks
Thibauld: Thanks!
orangesnowfox: Wontonimo got it right before I even knew there was something to get right
Wontonimo: yeah, i broke into the top 300
struct: grats
pmor: grats
orangesnowfox: grats!
Wontonimo: I did end up using a bit of PID :grin:
orangesnowfox: https://www.codingame.com/replay/621585386 apparently there are multiple ways of doing the airbender strat
Wontonimo: instead of targeting the bugs x,y , I take into account 1 round of vx,vy
orangesnowfox: I tried that and it made my bot worse lmao
orangesnowfox: maybe it would be better on a submit, buuut, I'm not comfy making an entire submit for that yet, not until I'm sure I do it right.
Wontonimo: anyone benching locally?
orangesnowfox: I don't have the patience to get everything working on my super cranky linux distro lol
Lysk: can't get the jar to behave :(
struct: nope
orangesnowfox: Also like no point in benching against myself currently, I have like, 4 bots
struct: and too early for that I think
SashaNukem: is there a way to add colors to std:cerr << "test[OK]" << endl;
struct: no
struct: only locally
struct: on ide its not possible
SashaNukem: @struct thank you :)
orangesnowfox: @struct yee, basically my point
orangesnowfox: ... adding in defensive controls helps things
orangesnowfox: I *still* haven't touched wind or shield lol
Wontonimo: my rank improved quite a bit once I adjusted my default guard positions to be just outside my base. Collecting wild mana sure made a difference. Gotta give a +1 for adding that game mechanic
Wontonimo: it game incentive to get units out onto the field and not just camp
Wontonimo: *gave
yhyoxx: hello, if i use brutaltester for testing, what is my bot playing against ?
Wontonimo: you need to feed it 2 bots
orangesnowfox: other versions of your bot, bots you find on the internet, etc
orangesnowfox: (ps: don't share bots)
Wontonimo: if you have some hyperparameters you want to tune, it could help
yhyoxx: okay got it thanks
yhyoxx: what do you mean hyperparameters
yhyoxx: u mean something like a const coordinate
yhyoxx: and ill test against myself with all possible coordinates until i find the optimal one ?
therealbeef: control seems persistent, but that's not what the spell description implies though
struct: I thought it was only 1 turn at first
therealbeef: me too
orangesnowfox: control affects mobs permanently unless they're in range of a base, but technically they're only controlled for 1 turn
orangesnowfox: control only affects heroes for a turn, certainly
Wontonimo: hyperparameters are constants in your code that you've just found through experimentation. Like what distance to camp from your base
orangesnowfox: or like the minimum health you'll "let" be used to control a mob into the opponents base
struct: to calculate wild mana I can just check current_mana - previous_mana - (2 * heroes_inside);
struct: right?
struct: Just need to be carefull of spells
orangesnowfox: no... heroes will attack all mobs in range
Wontonimo: you can just keep track of your spells
struct: orange but doesnt matter if the mob is inside
struct: it still gives wild mana
struct: it only matters if the here is outside or not
struct: hero*
orangesnowfox: right, but you could attack two mobs lol
struct: ah
orangesnowfox: Also, spells don't matter for damage
orangesnowfox: wind happens after hero movement and attacking
orangesnowfox: no other spell takes affect in the same turn
orangesnowfox: even mob moving happens after...
orangesnowfox: The way I'd calculate it tbh is "mobs in prev turn compared to heroes as of this turn"
orangesnowfox: which... *still* isn't perfectly accurate
struct: I love games without perfect information
orangesnowfox: right?
struct: totally
ClockSort: there sure isn't perfect information in the PDF :P
orangesnowfox: ocean of code *was* a lot of fun tho
Wontonimo: new submit, new ideas
ClockSort: how can I learn more about brutaltester?
orangesnowfox: ~~new submit more hyperparameters~~
pmor: battle progression going slow for anyone else?
Wontonimo: https://github.com/dreignier/cg-brutaltester
orangesnowfox: pmor its always like that in compos
ClockSort: thanks wonton in your opinion
pmor: :(
Wontonimo: yeah, kinda slow
orangesnowfox: especially
- on the first day
- whenever a new league opens
- on the last day
Wontonimo: hey ClockSort, use this command
java -jar bin/brutal.jar -r "java -jar -Dleague.level=3 bin/spring2022.jar" -p1 "node bot1.js" -p2 "python bot2.py" -t 2 -n $3 -s -l "./logs/"
Wontonimo: the strings after -p1 and -p2 are commands to run your bot in your language
Wontonimo: in the above example you have 2 bots, one in node and one in python
ClockSort: can you see "wild mana" onscreen during a simulation?
Wontonimo: no
ClockSort: do you think wild mana matters in a game between skilled bots?
struct: This feature should be added
orangesnowfox: oh data you cheeky little https://www.codingame.com/replay/621593821
Wontonimo: It does for me. Makes a huge difference
orangesnowfox: strat in a nutshell "yeet the mob into opponent base"
ClockSort: if you spend wild mana, does it still count toward your tiebreak total?
struct: yes
struct: you cant spend it
orangesnowfox: it's more a... score
Lysk: how did you get spring2022.jar Wontonimo?
orangesnowfox: "compile it from the ref"
Wontonimo: the code is published. The link is on the left hand side. you have to compile it yoruself
Lysk: you have no issues with GameRunner?
Wontonimo: I'm on your orange tail snowfox !
Wontonimo: oh :sad: I got bumped down
orangesnowfox: did you lose to DataWasTaken?
Wontonimo: nope
Wontonimo: lost to strykrj https://www.codingame.com/replay/621594956
Wontonimo: only 3 lost games out of 21 so far
orangesnowfox: same lol
orangesnowfox: first loss was to rtimbull
Wontonimo: all three are from wild mana
orangesnowfox: not same lol
orangesnowfox: cuz my defense is worse than yours
Wontonimo: https://www.codingame.com/replay/621596435
orangesnowfox: lmao I just saw you in my feed %-%
Wontonimo: you got me !
orangesnowfox: yee
orangesnowfox: same result as a random IDE play I did btw lol
Wontonimo: My wild mana game needs improvement
orangesnowfox: I beat astrobytes too apparently
orangesnowfox: (wildmana)
Wontonimo: my previous run got to 192nd but with slightly different code
KelvinAndHubbles: How do yall eval whether a bot is ready for arena? I usually do a bo5 between my current and my new one, but that seems wack sometimes
orangesnowfox: Kelvin I submit and if its worse I revert in an hour lol
struct: i test it locally
struct: vs multiple versions
struct: and 100+ games
orangesnowfox: Too much work lolol
Wontonimo: oh, you got the bench going struct ! nice
struct: nah
struct: this is what I do on other multis
orangesnowfox: Too early for bench, too much room for improvement in major ways that aren't useful to do involve hyperparameter tuning
Wontonimo: unless the hyper parameters are 14,000 NN weights :smirk:
orangesnowfox: true
orangesnowfox: I have a rockpaperscissors going on, I lose to super agro (throw an agent in your base) strats, and I win against defensive (to wildmana) and I have a have a tossup against moderate strats
pmor: think some NN bots are going to show up?
Wontonimo: without a doubt
thomasgonda3: hey is there a way to fight against a specific other player with your bot
Wontonimo: yes
Wontonimo: bottom center, delete the boss
thomasgonda3: oh tight thanks
Wontonimo: then click the empty space where the boss was
orangesnowfox: well, now, that's a strat https://www.codingame.com/replay/621598587
Wontonimo: has to be the same league or lower league with the same rules
pmor: ha! that's the first of the yeet other player strat. That was a common strat in my company comp
Wontonimo: you got blown away orangesnowfox
orangesnowfox: I think if I see an opponent hero I'm going to just control them towards a non-base corner until I can't see them anymore
orangesnowfox: I basically never see opponent heroes unless they're trying to pull agro stuff... Actually, here's a wild idea, what if I just kept controlling their bot forever in my base, they do get mana... But they don't get wildmana, and they basically lose a hero forever (I can technically use a different hero every time)
orangesnowfox: plus that hero has to help defend *my* base lol
dmolitor: how do I add Debug to the screen? for example display Debug Messages above heros in the Debug Overlay?
pmor: works until they bubble themselves
orangesnowfox: bubble?
pmor: shield
orangesnowfox: ah, right...
orangesnowfox: Wait, duh, that's the obvious answer, just shield myself.
orangesnowfox: that's... Probably a lot easier
orangesnowfox: my bot is apparently ~rank200 good
Thibauld: omg that's genius, just kidnap an enemy hero.. *starts coding*
ClockSort: but control takes 10 mana and lasts only one turn , how would you keep the control orangesnowfox?
struct: it doesnt last 1 turn
struct: it keeps going to the target
struct: just worded poorly
JulienKerlero: LMAO the Bronze Boss just camps my base and winds monsters into my base lol
ClockSort: even when controlling enemy hero?
struct: ah for enemy hero might be only 1 turn
struct: Im not even sure if it works or not
KelvinAndHubbles: feel like wind is just more effective at that point, further distance is it not?
KelvinAndHubbles: 2200 units vs 800
Wontonimo: you look a little rusty there orangesnowfox
Wontonimo: when did you learn rust, and do you have any suggestions of starting places?
YiCao-EnfuNiu-LingSong: how to kidnap an enemy hero?
orangesnowfox: Uhh, 2017-2018, and.... I have no clue, everything is so different now.
Westicles: nice, I'm first both for my school, company, and country
MeWhenI: is there any reason to use wind rather than control as a defense spell? it seems strictly better to send the monster to your enemy
orangesnowfox: cuz you can wind 15 mobs at once
MeWhenI: oh yeah aoe
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KelvinAndHubbles: plus problem with control the spider significantly before it can get away from you, almost better to just take the mana and not just give enemy free mana at that point
Ariyogi: Hello
KelvinAndHubbles: the spider is significantly damaged*
Eltrion: Wind just seems strictly better than control in 95% of situations
KelvinAndHubbles: eh, control basically can turn it towards enemy base permanantly
orangesnowfox: Kelvin... Huh? I... typically don't damage the mob before controlling it
orangesnowfox: and that too
orangesnowfox: I'm at 220 and I don't use wind at all lol
Eltrion: And then he blows out his base with wind, groups up the mobs, and his jungler farms them all for wild mana
Eltrion: Im at 100 and use nothing but wind
orangesnowfox: true, but consider, I can defeat ur wind with control :p
Eltrion: How?
orangesnowfox: Uhh, control your hero
Eltrion: Wind pushes farther and more at once.
KelvinAndHubbles: didn't realize control has a way bigger radius you can cast it from
orangesnowfox: ye, but control has a further effect radius
orangesnowfox: like, I can out range your wind with control
Eltrion: Ehh, maybe, but i'd have to be a conjunction strat, and only like the top 20 guys are doing that yet.
orangesnowfox: conjunction meaning?
Eltrion: All the control strats I've fought basicallty end like I said with my jungler harvesting all the mobs sent to me for wild mana.
orangesnowfox: ye, and I mean, that's a good strat, not gonna lie, you beat my current bot
Eltrion: Complex spell casting decisions using both wind and control
orangesnowfox: ah
MeWhenI: ripp every win im getting is to a wild mana tiebreaker
Eltrion: Wind is just way easier to use effectively and make decisions about.
MeWhenI: not sure how to farm it while keeping up a good defense
Eltrion: Also You can Stack wind.
orangesnowfox: yeah, for sure wind is good, I'm just saying these strats do have counters :p
Eltrion: Give one of your guys jungler code, the other two should spread out take the left and right so your defensive position is further out from your base.
ClockSort: in move 43 here, does the wind only hit the opponent's hero because other entities are too far away? https://www.codingame.com/replay/621600146
orangesnowfox: nah, it's because the hero is within range
pmor: looks like hero is in range, bug is not.
Waffle3z: does the distance from a monster to the base have to be <5000 or <=5000 for it to turn?
Waffle3z: "within" probably means inclusive
rwilson: @Waffle3z , it's using <=
see here: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/fbb4d12a07aa632b632d748d6c9a78a2b25e50ea/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Vector.java#L75
orangesnowfox: ye https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/3297c5714be55f900028750e8ecb8b51d6aa4551/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Referee.java#L533 leads to that after a couple clicks
pmor: Huh, my wood2 bot made it to bronze
Wontonimo: yeah!
pmor: was implementing wind when I got pinged for promotion :D
Wontonimo: congrats. i spent way too long in wood 2
orangesnowfox: pmor my first bot made it to bronze, which was basically "attack whatever wants to hurt my base"
orangesnowfox: KISS is amazing sometimes
pmor: Yeah, that's basically what I did. Created another list of monsters where threatFor is 1 and sorted it on distance to base
pmor: then just had my heros go to town
orangesnowfox: yep, literally that, just... instead of creating another list, I did it in an iterator
orangesnowfox: and then did `minBy` (well, `min_by_key`) the distance to the base ^2 because there's no need to do a sqrt
Eltrion: Yeah, wood 1 boss wasn't much harder than wood 2
Westicles: I wonder if in the end people will be in legend without a sim?
Eltrion: My first bot made it all the way through, basically the same. Find what's closest to the base, send all three guys there to hit it
Waffle3z: how rare is that?
struct: what Waffle3z?
Waffle3z: reaching legend without a sim
ZarthaxX: depends on contest
ZarthaxX: i remember meanmax oh boi, just 1 guy without sim right?
struct: also depends on what sim is
struct: I doubt many will have full sim
ZarthaxX: with fog of war its kind of weird, isnt it?
struct: yeah
ZarthaxX: unpredictable spwans too
orangesnowfox: some hidden information games let you do a sim
ZarthaxX: :(
ZarthaxX: up to certain point yes
orangesnowfox: this one... Does not really
ZarthaxX: this one feels like codebusters
JohnCM: i think i'm going to go an offensive strategy that involves mind controlling all units to the opponent's base, and shielding them
ZarthaxX: mah man john
orangesnowfox: ZarthaxX I was thinking OoC
JohnCM: i wish we could stun heroes, it would be much easier
JohnCM: stun, slow, kill
ZarthaxX: orangesnowfox that one had an interesting submarine tracking
orangesnowfox: yeah
orangesnowfox: JohnCM what if I told you... You could
JohnCM: how to stun heroes?
orangesnowfox: Control ;)
JohnCM: you can control heroes?
orangesnowfox: yep!
struct: you can use any spell on them
JohnCM: that's interesting... i can control them away from their base
actualCoderTrevor: For like two seconds
struct: 1 turn
JohnCM: oh can you push heroes too with wind
ClockSort: hi JohnCM, good to see you again :)
orangesnowfox: struct, you can stunlock them if you sacrifice one of your heroes to control them every turn
Basilisk1: 1337
JohnCM: hello clocksort
ClockSort: so Control changes the direction of mobs, but only affects enemy heroes for one turn.
pmor: JohnCM - https://www.codingame.com/replay/621598587
struct: cant they shield themsef?
struct: self*
JohnCM: i just finished streaming my spring challenge.. haha now bronze league
JohnCM: i will stream again in 2 days or so when silver appears
orangesnowfox: struct I don't think so? If you're controlled I don't think you can do anything but move, lemme double check
JulienKerlero: Silver league isnt up yet ?
orangesnowfox: Not until Sunday
JulienKerlero: Who's first atm ?
struct: well you are controlled but next turn you might be able to shield before they control
struct: but control seems to come before shield
struct: So I dont know
orangesnowfox: ah, if you shield on the same turn they control for the first time ye
JohnCM: haha looks like meta will be shielding all 3 heroes
orangesnowfox: JohnCM tbh I've been thinking about it
orangesnowfox: But here's a fun one
JohnCM: wow i can literally wind all heroes away from their base
KelvinAndHubbles: Weird there's only two corners being used and lot of spiders go off map, higher leagues 4 player maybe?
orangesnowfox: You have to have a 1 turn gap between shields
JohnCM: i'm an avenger, not a defender
struct: no KelvinAndHubbles
struct: these are final rules
JohnCM: i will whack the opponents before they have time to say 'what'
orangesnowfox: JohnCM sorry to say that I'm already aware of this strat https://www.codingame.com/replay/621598587
JohnCM: haha ok that's fun
JulienKerlero: If Im let's say 1000th in Bronze League, am I 1000th of all players ?
JohnCM: time to do some massive creature spam hero wind damage
orangesnowfox: JulienKerlero yep
JulienKerlero: Alright that's nice then
ItsNotABug: That replay stressed me out
orangesnowfox: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/dc533041-cf8f-47d8-9867-0556a8054ce5
orangesnowfox: ... whyyyy
orangesnowfox: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/3297c5714be55f900028750e8ecb8b51d6aa4551/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Referee.java#L705 Control makes you act like you chose to move
orangesnowfox: turn0: you get controlled, you do something, say, `wind`, it goes through
turn1: you get controlled *again*, you're forced to `move
turn2+ same until either you stop getting juggled or another one of your heroes helps out
struct: So my only chance is to shield when you control the first time
struct: right?
JulienKerlero: Will we have more spell in silver, gold etc ?
orangesnowfox: JulienKerlero no, bronze is the max everything
orangesnowfox: struct: unless you use another hero to bail the first hero out, yep
JulienKerlero: alright
orangesnowfox: JohnCM here's another fun one: https://www.codingame.com/replay/621593821
ClockSort: if you're crontrolled on turn 0, you don't know about it until turn 1, during which time your hero can do nothing, right?
struct: yeah
ClockSort: so if you get controlled again, there is no escape unless another hero helps or enemy runs out of mana
orangesnowfox: yep. But if you cast shield on or before turn 0 you're fine
orangesnowfox: ... until the shield runs out
struct: you can even use the opponent to defend your base
struct: :D
ClockSort: turn 0 shield. then turn 1 you still take the forced action?
rwilson: on the plus side for the defender - the enemy isn't getting to move while doing that control lock.
rwilson: ;) controlling enemy to go to your base is less effective than it sounds ;)
struct: yeah because he will still get points
struct: :/
orangesnowfox: ClockSort, yep, but only one
rwilson: pretty easy to control lock enemy in their base - but hard to pull them to yours -- eats up so much mana cause they like to run away
struct: yeah better use on them
struct: on their*
rwilson: :( but then your hero is in their base helping them defend :(
struct: but you get wild mana
orangesnowfox: yeah, but you get score
orangesnowfox: honestly, it's more useful to use it to break a wind chain
rwilson: @struct - oh good piont... gotta try that ... adjust to EDGE of base, not IN base ;)
orangesnowfox: like, as a counter to https://www.codingame.com/replay/621137531
struct: you dont need to be in the edge of the base
struct: because its the opponent one
orangesnowfox: or to prevent https://www.codingame.com/replay/621598587
orangesnowfox: I don't really think controlling opponent heroes is a viable longer term thing atm
orangesnowfox: it's more something you do to mess with their plans
rwilson: ahh , yeah i see you're point struct ... still might try edge.... just targeting their base corner ended up being real bad tradeoff ... started losing all my easy wins ...
Enknable: is there a non-heuristic approach?
VizGhar: Enknable yes there for sure is :)
MeWhenI: advanced strategy: teach your heroes the Ancient Language of the Gods
MeWhenI: https://www.codingame.com/replay/621613284
VizGhar: you can always create decision tree. Where is a tree there is search algo
Enknable: true. decision trees are not great for those close monsters coming out of nowhere
orangesnowfox: MeWhenI: assert skill by flexing with ancient language
Enknable: so you could predict long term middle action
Ariyogi: Hello i am Predator from heaven
JulienKerlero: What's the score next to the rank ?
JulienKerlero: like 34.18 or 21.69
rwilson: isn't that essentially just your win-percentage ?
orangesnowfox: nah, it's closer to ELO (I forget what the exact algorith, is)
ZarthaxX: true skill
orangesnowfox: that
orangesnowfox: anyway, the answer is "whatever the boss has + 0.01"
ZarthaxX: hehe
orangesnowfox: and there's no boss currently, because silver doesn't start until Sunday
JulienKerlero: Yeay I made it to top200 !
rwilson: nice @JulienKerlero, congrats.
rwilson: anyone bothering with Voronoi partitions at all? or just calculating times to intercept & sorting?
orangesnowfox: I'm not sure Voronoi gets anything useful here
MeWhenI: just targetting closest to the base and it seems to be working
MeWhenI: decently
rwilson: thinking of it because of 2 hereos target same creep - but 1st can intercept & kill prior to 2nd getting there...
orangesnowfox: for wood to get into bronze ye
orangesnowfox: ah
orangesnowfox: I don't do anything related to that yet lol
MeWhenI: big brain stuff
rwilson: i feel like the simpler version is working good enough for others -- look like they just assign attackers ( i.e. only 1 hero allowed to target a given creep )
orangesnowfox: two heroes targetting the same creep can mean killing it faster in a lot of cases (but I can think of some where like, only one hero attacking would be better)
orangesnowfox: ayy Wontonimo you beat me https://www.codingame.com/replay/621615403
rwilson: ;) @orangesnowfox - it's coming up for me a lot in the tiebreak cases ... i'd be able to harvest more creeps if some hereos spent less time walking towards creeps that will easily die without their help.
pmor: you were hardly using any spells
orangesnowfox: who?
pmor: you, in that replay
pmor: you had a ton of mana and lost where you could have diverted and pushed the bugs out of your base
orangesnowfox: well consider, I don't have wind implemented lol
pmor: lol, that would it
JulienKerlero: lmao i fought your IA orangesnowfox and you mind controlled every unit into my base
orangesnowfox: yep!
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