Lobster_Speed: yoou can start with simple tutorial
Lobster_Speed: then keep practiciing from there
Almasss: no one does
jacek: merry Caturday's eve
eulerscheZahl: it's still in the morning
jacek: oh
jrke: merry christmas
YodaMaster123: Merry Christmas
praWIN: HI all, Happy Christmas...
praWIN: new to codin game
praWIN: Interesting ;)
AlexandruBecher: Hello boys & girls.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
zhoubou: Merry Christmas :)
zhoubou: What's a community puzzle? How do I find them?
JBM: in the puzzles section
JBM: first tab
zhoubou: There are only "Best suggestions" and tiered puzzles "Classic puzzle - easy", then medium, so on
zhoubou: And sponsored puzzles
jacek: and puzzle of the week
zhoubou: I don't see that
zhoubou: I'm on practice tab. Should I be somewhere else?
jacek: community puzzles are just made by people, not cg staff themselves
jacek: and they are in easy, medium etc. sections as well
zhoubou: Ah, I see.
zhoubou: How do I differentiate?
zhoubou: Oh, is it the profile pictures?
jacek: names
jacek: yes, profile pictures
zhoubou: Ahh I see, thank you!
jacek: AutomatoNN merry christmas
jacek: AutomatonNN even
AutomatonNN: eulerscheZahl is there a way to see a simple game in the contest company participate in the submit t
jacek: phew
jrke: AutomatoNN who is jrke?
YodaMaster123: Misspelled it
jrke: AutomatonNN who is jrke?
AutomatonNN: can anyone explain why to think of it ?
jrke: AutomatonNN who is magus?
AutomatonNN: what is the most recent reason why it does not work
zhoubou: Is AutomatonNN a bot?
AutomatonNN: eulerscheZahl is the Game of the Coding game on CodinGame contest to get some sleep to the team (bec
MasterFong: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/79c6aab4-3031-41e3-bb7a-b9da5a1dc863
Bevan_Boss: Merry Christmas~~❤🍭🎄
MSmits: hehe AutomatonNN talks about euler and sleep because we talk often about eulers early bedtime :P
AutomatonNN: good morning
MSmits: good morning AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: eulerscheZahl is there a way to see the code on CG :P
PetrSp: Merry Christmas
Alexandru_Becher: Merry Christmas!
eulerscheZahl: can i just ban that bot?
Maxim251: I dont know if i can share with code from ocean of code, but i have some issue with planning how ewerything grouped, it become in one point a mess. Now i have problems with adding stuff to improve code.
Maxim251: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/4fab00c8-fa44-4f63-9156-4f365a4bdab2
Maxim251: Ps. Marru Christmas to all.
MSmits: aww eulerscheZahl, he just wants to be like you
MSmits: you're his idol
Maxim251: Do can somebody say what You think about my code?
YodaMaster123: ask AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: when to start with your submit in every language though
Astrobytes: good afternoon
YodaMaster123: Hi
AFUFAFU: MERRY XMAS !!
YodaMaster123: Very surprising, python3 bot at the top of GitC
AntiSquid: oh random promotion to gold in fall challenge :o
merry christmas Automaton2000
Automaton2000: old enough to have a look at the wrong time
AntiSquid: you're saying it's wrong to check cg on xmas? but they sent me the mail Automaton2000
Automaton2000: thought you were talking about that
YodaMaster123: Someone would have pushed you :P like I often do when I`m at the top of a league...
AntiSquid: i know, just random rambling YodaMaster123
YodaMaster123: :)
AntiSquid: merry christmas
YodaMaster123: Merry Christmas
Astrobytes: bah, humbug
AntiSquid: it must have been santa playing the fall challenge duh
YodaMaster123: :p
AntiSquid: christmas push!
YodaMaster123: Euler 2nd now :o?
AntiSquid: anyone seen this btw? https://deepmind.com/blog/article/muzero-mastering-go-chess-shogi-and-atari-without-rules
CoderDJD: Yes @AntiSquid.
jacek: slowpoke
jacek: at least the paper
inoryy: not slowpoke, paper was just published in nature. you've likely seen the pre-print
jacek: whats the difference
inoryy: it's evolved quite a bit since. Reanalyze is a new addition for example.
Astrobytes: oh hey inoryy
inoryy: hello
jacek: so sci-hub it is. yaar
AntiSquid: i saw it on the day it was published, but only linked it here today since i only visited site today jacek @_@ fix your xmas trolling, it's not enough
Westicles: They should move on to solving pork belly futures
jacek: or bioengineering cat girls
AntiSquid: what do you mean? pork belly recipes ?
AntiSquid: i hope they won't be as weird and pretentious as on masterchef
Westicles: Stock market
Westicles: or cat girls, that's okay too
AntiSquid: there was video on "two minute papers" about tax optimization, that would be a cool project imo
AntiSquid: and inoryy do you get pinged when someone talks about deepmind related stuff? merry xmas
jacek: deepmind
jacek: oO
AntiSquid: openAI is my favorite
MSmits: two minute papers is weird
MSmits: is that a person reading, or an automated voice?
AntiSquid: a person presenting
jacek: it's ai
MSmits: the content is interesting, but I would suggest that if that is a real person, they get a machine to read it instead
AntiSquid: woah hating the accent or what? :P which video were you watching
MSmits: i got annoyed within 20 seconds of listening
MSmits: no not the accent
MSmits: i dont mind that
MSmits: it's the tone
MSmits: the pitch i should say
MSmits: not sure how to explain
MSmits: it's really weird
AntiSquid: it's hungarian pitch
AntiSquid: that's how they talk
MSmits: mmh no it's not based on any country i think, i doubt that
MSmits: it's really repetitive
MSmits: noone talks like that
MSmits: if they do, they're an exception in their own country
jacek: what video
AntiSquid: i am wondering if we were watching same video
AntiSquid: but finnish and hungarians have same weird pitch
MSmits: I think we're not AntiSquid
MSmits: let me find one
AntiSquid: i imagine now MSmits giving hungarian tourists weird stares
Westicles: finnish guys make the weirdest noise when you walk in their bike paths
MSmits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0fMwA3X5KI&list=PLujxSBD-JXgnqDD1n-V30pKtp6Q886x7e
MSmits: it's Indian, but the accent doesnt bother me
MSmits: it's the way he talks
AntiSquid: that's him,
MSmits: it's like he's continuing summing things up or something
MSmits: the same flow in every sentence
AntiSquid: i can't notice anything weird
MSmits: impossible ot listen to
Westicles: every syllable is stressed
inoryy: AntiSquid nope, just a concidence -- came online for the first time in months I think
MSmits: Westicles maybe thats it yeah
AntiSquid: MSmits what about this then https://youtu.be/7yh9i0PAjck?t=19
MSmits: thats fine
MSmits: nice song :P
AntiSquid: had hungarians in my hometown so i can't hear anything weird in his videos :/
jacek: and this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8kmNEo1i8
MSmits: brings back memories jacek :)
AntiSquid: that's skynet generated obv
MSmits: I actually considered showing some of those two-papers videos in my class because of the amazing content. I love the one where they just remove stuff from videos and its undetectable
MSmits: but I'm afraid the reaction of my student to the guy talking will be worse than mine. It usually is
MSmits: they're 16-18 yrs old after all, far more immature than me, most of them :P
Astrobytes: I like those videos, narrator doesn't bother me
MSmits: might be a personal thing
AntiSquid: a vendetta
MSmits: no no, i am sure he is a great guy
MSmits: it's just the way every sentence has to end with the pitch going up, stressing the syllable as Westicles said
AntiSquid: let's invite him to CG to beat smits in next contest
MSmits: there's enough people beating me at contests :P
Astrobytes: Voiceism! Narratorism!
MSmits: lol
AntiSquid: and he will make a video of his postmortem instead of writing it
MSmits: good one
cazka: hi
AntiSquid: greetings
struct: Hello
Astrobytes: Salutations.
eulerscheZahl: moin
struct: Referee seems to work now
struct: at least the inputs output part
eulerscheZahl: what are you working on?
struct: Still stc
eulerscheZahl: oh, somehow i thought you are creating your own game once again
struct: I made stc referee in c++
struct: I want to finish stc first, it waited long enough
struct: And there seems to be a lot of multies pending at the moment
jacek: meow
jacek: Automaton2000 do you understand this
Automaton2000: do you use any kind of search do you mean?
jacek: Automaton2000 i just average
Automaton2000: best way to read the inputs
jacek: :punch:
jrke: Automaton2000 who is jrke?
Automaton2000: i can make a lot of time to get back to it
eulerscheZahl: Astrobytes did you find a new movement order for 2048?
Astrobytes: not recently?
eulerscheZahl: then i remembered your score wrong, ignore me
Astrobytes: it was a month or so ago I think
eulerscheZahl: CG shows submit times for bots but not optim :(
Astrobytes: Yeah, it's a little infuriating
Astrobytes: Lies. It was 3 months ago. My bad
mzbear: https://www.codingame.com/training/hard/genome-sequencing ... this was the easiest hard puzzle ever. dynamic programming? divide and conquer? for N<6?
mzbear: "handle a large number of possible combinations and permutations. You need to use optimized algorithm techniques like dynamic programming and more specifically divide and conquer"
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/training/expert/the-resistance
easiest very hard
mzbear: wtf. that has the same blurb!
mzbear: but yeah, i had much more trouble with Djoum's recent "medium" inversion count puzzle than that very hard one
eulerscheZahl: try nintendo. that deserves the very hard
mzbear: (i was probably doing the inversion count wrong way and there's some clever trick that eluded me)
mzbear: i have checked out the nintendo, and i actually spent some time yesterday planning for how to solve it
eulerscheZahl: didn't try the inversions. i would sort the list and then compare actual and expected spot
mzbear: but that's not how it's defined :)
eulerscheZahl: sum of those differences = solution
eulerscheZahl: and sort is fast enough
Astrobytes: But it's easy:
https://www.codingame.com/training/easy/nintendo-sponsored-contest
mzbear: euler, the sorted position doesn't help because the puzzle defines the inversion count as the sum of the count of succeeding elements lower than each element
Westicles: Inversion is just another look-up-the-algorithm puzzle
eulerscheZahl: yes
eulerscheZahl: like https://www.codingame.com/training/hard/parsing-context-free-grammar
mzbear: and how do you look it up until someone has ... oh, i see, this puzzle has already been published elsewhere before
eulerscheZahl: which even tells you what algo to use
mzbear: heh
Astrobytes: Not that I mind it too much, but when the algorithm is suggested to you it should be in a separate 'learning' section, as it's less of a puzzle and more of an exercise
Astrobytes: (just thinking out loud)
Westicles: Opinions vary. I got two downvotes on my pi puzzle specifically because I didn't explain the algorithm
Westicles: *rejects
mzbear: hardly anyone can come up with an algorithm for efficiently calculating arbitrary digits of pi, not in a reasonable time anyway
eulerscheZahl: finding the right algo usually is the fun part of a puzzle
eulerscheZahl: implementing it is the tedious part to prove you found the algo
Westicles: They say you shouldn't have to leave the site to solve
mzbear: i got reasonably far in drafting an algorithm for the nintendo challenge before someone blurted out a buzzword for it in the chat which made it much more obvious what i was looking at :P
Westicles: GF?
mzbear: yep
Westicles: And then there is this. I don't know who the audience could possible be for something so niche
Westicles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_BUnm-bnik
Astrobytes: that may have been me who mentioned the GF, but it's not the whole problem
mzbear: i'm still kinda tempted to try to implement my own algorithm for the nintendo challenge. it just got a tad bit more daunting after i realized the goal :D
Astrobytes: oh that guy, even paid a mathematics professor to help him
Maxim251: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnWhqhNdYyk
Maxim251: how to not teaching C
eulerscheZahl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S1fISh-pag&ab_channel=AlbertVeli
Astrobytes: lol, I knew that was incoming
eulerscheZahl: me too :D
eulerscheZahl: it's like linking bobby tables
Astrobytes: haha yes, indeed
mzbear: way too many people write c++ as if it was glorified c, though... sometimes i fall down in that pit as well, when the C approach feels easier to write than the c++ one
Astrobytes: I do it on CG tbh
eulerscheZahl: is there even that one C++?
mzbear: btw, is there a compilation time limit for bots on CG?
Astrobytes: my RAIC code however is fully compliant modern C++
eulerscheZahl: with the new standards (starting at c++11)
eulerscheZahl: yes mzbear. i think it's around 20s
eulerscheZahl: a little more for clojure
Astrobytes: "is there even that one C++" - ?
mzbear: i'm wondering if it would be possible to use metaprogramming to make the compiler calculate an opening book during compile time...
Astrobytes: hahaha clever thinking
mzbear: well, it doesn't even need to be template hell in modern c++, thanks to constexpr
eulerscheZahl: just saying that the C++ approach can look very different depending on the version you are using
Astrobytes: true mzbear
mzbear: pre-c++11 is indeed very different ... and post-c++20 will again be very different
Astrobytes: yes, 'modern c++' is C++11 on wards, totally different beasts
mzbear: ranges will completely change the game
Astrobytes: C++20 looks intriguing
Astrobytes: IT's actually
Astrobytes: *supported in RAIC but I'm not using it
mzbear: a lot of modernization was cut short because they didn't think a pair of iterators was a good way to represent ranges after all
eulerscheZahl: RAIC is bleeding edge
mzbear: (or, rather, there was no guarantee that a pair of iterators was a range)
eulerscheZahl: Java15, C#9
Astrobytes: yes, that's a good point mzbear
mzbear: check out this, for example: https://github.com/tcbrindle/NanoRange
mzbear: scroll down the readme for some code example
mzbear: a glimpse of the future :)
Astrobytes: Beautiful!
eulerscheZahl: C++ just looks more and more cryptic to me :(
jacek: time for rust
mzbear: c++20 Concepts will make c++ a lot easier to work with, though, since it will tremendously improve error message quality
Astrobytes: ^
mzbear: imagine only getting one error message instead of hundred when you do something wrong? can you even call it c++ anymore? ;D
eulerscheZahl: that completely ruins the debugging experience
Astrobytes: I'm sure we'll all find enough ways to generate 10 page long cryptic error messages to keep us feeling warm and fuzzy inside
jacek: why i cant invite any of you to clash :(
MSmits: I don't know about you but I'm looking at error messages right now
MSmits: so relaxing
MSmits: nah just kidding, i just fixed my last stack overflow and my nim calculator is working :)
MSmits: slow as hell, time for some hashtables
struct: Do you write your own hashtable or you use std::map/unordered?
jacek: the worst errors are in std, when you try i.e. push something weird in vector or sort using wrong lambda and you get pages of irrelelvant errors
MSmits: i started using my own, but only when i dont have to care about collisions
MSmits: I just accept losing some values on collision, having to recalculate
MSmits: it's annoying when you have to have entries with linked lists or whatnot to have multiple values with the same hash
MSmits: jacek ive found the worst errors are those that only show up when you turn on optimization
MSmits: that somehow the non-optimized c++ fixes your bug
jacek: oO
MSmits: but when you have optimizations on, there is hardly any error information
MSmits: so...
jacek: dupa debugging it is, then
Astrobytes: You should also spend some time understanding what the optimisations do
MSmits: thats why it's annoying, you have to do that just to fix your bug :P
Astrobytes: and whether it's beneficial for the bot in question
MSmits: meh, i want my bot to be fast without any effort :)
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: this nim calculator is 400-500 lines
MSmits: it's going in my bot when i am done
MSmits: putting me to nearly 3k
MSmits: Remi is going down
MSmits: (I hope)
struct: whats a nim calculator?
jacek: :tada:
MSmits: Nim theory is a mathematical theory where the last person to move loses
MSmits: or wins, i forgot
jacek: sounds zugzwangy
MSmits: in Dots and boxes this is generally also true with 7x7. The person who has to move into a nonsafe square because no other option is left, loses
MSmits: it is very
MSmits: it's the definition of zugzwang i guess
MSmits: Remi uses nim theory i think
MSmits: he's a mathematician
MSmits: so he knows it
MSmits: and he always has the last chains
struct: ah ok
jacek: mathematicians :unamused:
MSmits: my calculator calculates nim values. The earlier i can do this, the more chances i have to steer the game such that I dont have to open the first long chain
MSmits: thats why it's gotta be fast and why i need the hash tables
struct: yeah, seems similar to zugzwang
eulerscheZahl: what a nice german word
jacek: :scream:
jacek: https://i.chzbgr.com/full/5895340800/h39668730/schmetterlinggggg
MSmits: vlinder :)
struct: borboleta
Astrobytes: I quite like schmetterling tbh
Astrobytes: It's dealan-dè in Scots Gaelic
MSmits: the name would make more sense if it hit your windshield at 100 kph
jacek: reminded me of
jacek: tuatha de danann
MSmits: it sounds like splatterling
Astrobytes: that's Irish jacek
jacek: whats the difference
Astrobytes: One Gaelic is Scottish, one is Irish :P
Astrobytes: They are quite different languages, although related
Astrobytes: I can't speak more than a few words of either tbh, which is a shame
Astrobytes: The Welsh Gaelic has more in common with Breton
Astrobytes: And I think you can (always?) tell if you're dealing with Irish or Scots by looking at the accents
Astrobytes: é or è for example
jacek: how can you 'look' at the accent?
jacek: oh
Astrobytes: Not sure if it's 100% reliable but that's about all I know
Astrobytes: I'm a lowlander, not a highlander or islander
Westicles: The scots accents go widdershins
MSmits: widdershins?
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: that sounds hobbit
Astrobytes: anticlockwise
MSmits: widdershins sounds better
MSmits: let me guess, clockwise is antiwiddershins ?
Westicles: deasil
MSmits: now you're just making stuff up
Astrobytes: sunwise more common
MSmits: they must have been great astronomers to know which way the sun rotates
Astrobytes: but you don't often hear it used
Astrobytes: Older generations and those who grew up around them are more likely to use widdershins
Astrobytes: You can use it like 'going against the normal'
MSmits: like "he's going widdershins again!"
Astrobytes: If something's round the wrong way you can say it's gone widdershins
Westicles: I am also fond of cattywampus
Astrobytes: not commonly but I guess you could say that MSmits
MSmits: then I will
MSmits: I'm widdershins like that
Astrobytes: :D
Astrobytes: cattywampus, that has a nice sound to it
MSmits: yeah
Astrobytes: oh widdershins is like widersinnig
Astrobytes: eulerscheZahl will like that
MSmits: seems like it works. I tested the offline calculator against Remi on a lost game. If I had made a different move 5 plies back, i would have won. That means it's not like he has the game won very far before the endgame. He just fixes it to win right before
MSmits: so whatever he did the first 50 plies doesnt even matter, including the boxes he gives away
MSmits: it's the 5 plies after that where he just puts his line correctly and then grabs all the chains
MSmits: whereas everyone else has no clue how to play in those turns
MSmits: now to get this calculator into my bot... sigh. another big merge operation
Astrobytes: well, that sounds promising and worth the effort at least.
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: it's really cool that we have a game that's so math heavy
MSmits: i did more research on this than on other games combined
MSmits: brute force is pointless here and so are all the searches, if you dont use the math
jacek: math :(
MSmits: says the guy who has the best machine learning bots (for board games at least)
jacek: its mostly trial and error
MSmits: you dont know how your own math works?
jacek: it works so i dont care
MSmits: not saying you should care, but usually when you dont get it, its hard to get it to work
jacek: i have some basics of course. but until i wrote NN from scratch theory was useless
MSmits: right, so practice before theory
MSmits: some people learn better that way, doesnt mean you're not good at the math
MSmits: you just pick it up a different way
jacek: i use derivative for learning, but aside from programming once that derivative function which i just copied from somewhere else, i dont use derivative (theory)
MSmits: ah I see
MSmits: btw, i am no math guru, I dont understand most of the fancy notation, but I get the concepts and can code them with some effort
jacek: so do i
MSmits: or at least, i sometimes momentarily understand the notation but then quickly forget
MSmits: because symbols dont interest me
jacek: i read paper with so many math symbols and i dont get it until i write the code
Astrobytes: you have to keep working with them or it goes straight out your head again in my experience
DJSchaffner: can you change the template code for languages?
MSmits: Astrobytes yeah thats it
MSmits: DJSchaffner you can completely redo the code yeah
MSmits: but dont delete it all at once, it helps you read the input correctly
DJSchaffner: i meant like "prehand" so i dont have to do it in every puzzle/challenge/..
MSmits: not really, as the input is different for every challenge
MSmits: also, there's not that much code is it?
MSmits: if i do a multi arena which i will spend weeks on, i dont mind spending half an hour to get the input reading in my style
DJSchaffner: alright. no i just wanted to remove the comments
MSmits: ohh ok
MSmits: so it's basically a minor annoyance
DJSchaffner: yes
DJSchaffner: nothing major
MSmits: i feel the same, but I accepted it
DJSchaffner: looks like i will have to accept it too then :D
MSmits: yep :)
MSmits: what are you doing btw
MSmits: puzzle or arena, or clash ?
DJSchaffner: i just did my first clash. other than that i have only done puzzles so far
jacek: yes
MSmits: ahh ok. I dont know how good of a coder you are, but the most fun is in the arenas. Multiplayer and optimization
MSmits: usually larger programs there, 100+ lines
Astrobytes: Helpful Jacek strikes again
MSmits: he's so widdershins
Astrobytes: :grin:
DJSchaffner: i'd consider myself a decent programmer. i find my way around things :D
MSmits: then you should have no problem
DJSchaffner: but theres always things to learn
MSmits: it's nice to have something competitive that you can work on for longer than 15 mins
DJSchaffner: thats true
MSmits: ohh you're a professional coder even
MSmits: judging from your profile
DJSchaffner: where do i find the multiplayer section you mentioned?
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/
VizGhar: Hey guys... I'm used to write C code (beside my primary lang. Kotlin), but not much of C++. What should I learn - language specific - so that I'll be not that far behind in competitions?
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/optimization
MSmits: those two are the most fun imho
MSmits: much to choose from, take a while to look at them all
Westicles: Department Informatik... that sounds like something from a Kraftwerk song
DJSchaffner: ah got it. though it was a seperate category but its "compete" then :D
MSmits: yeah
VizGhar: bot programming is cornerstone :)
jacek: VizGhar i dont use fancy c++ specific thing. i dont even know how to write template
MSmits: VizGhar i can barely code C++, yet i do very well
MSmits: same as jacek, i cant do a template
VizGhar: OK :) so I assume I'm about your level guys :D
MSmits: i often have duplicate code and i know there is some way to combine it using templates or whatnot, but i dont want to bother
DJSchaffner: haha not really professional no. just a student but i quit my first "study (?)"
jacek: oO
VizGhar: busy life DJSchaffner ?
MSmits: VizGhar I think C++ knowledge is a little more required for those complicated multis where you'll make lots of classes and derivative classes
MSmits: the simple boardgames require almost 0 knowledge, as long as you know how pointers and references and such work
VizGhar: love pointers actually :)
MSmits: good, you'll be fine then
DJSchaffner: currently not too much no. i think i passed most difficult exams and can try to get a nice student job maybe
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
**MSmits barely dodges the table
DJSchaffner: people are really trying to write short code in clash it seems
MSmits: in shortest mode yes
VizGhar: If I need classes or some complicated structures, I'd use kotlin most probably. But looking at UTTT for example, I have to be in touch with C/C++
jacek: in shortest mode?
alenic: hi, someone knows the maximum file size in bytes of an optimization problem ?
jacek: 100k characters
alenic: thank you
MSmits: yea, there is no bytes limit, its characters
DJSchaffner: is there a mode selection for it? i didnt see any
jacek: its random
MSmits: of 3
DJSchaffner: ahhh that makes sense
Astrobytes: lol Westicles
Astrobytes: oh, chat scroll, was fetching some wine
DJSchaffner: i felt so under pressure to get doen quickly i didnt have the time to read everything and couldnt read it again after it was done haha
MSmits: shortest is the only one where time doesnt matter as long as its under 15 mi
MSmits: +n
MSmits: except maybe if you're tied on length
MSmits: seems rare
VizGhar: The clash mode pops up right on clash start. Or in top left corner during clash. Try to read everything from the beginning
DJSchaffner: that would explain why the guy that got first in the ranking was above someone who finished much earlier
VizGhar: Or check the introduction video
struct: if you want to win you cant read
MSmits: you can read for shortest
VizGhar: sure :P But if you want to learn you should
DJSchaffner: i only skipped through the intro video but maybe should have paid more attention :D
jacek: intro video? oO
DJSchaffner: what are you guys mainly doing here?
jacek: multiplayer games
VizGhar: mutliplayer games and puzzles maybe
DJSchaffner: mostly about training or just for fun?
VizGhar: achievements :D
Astrobytes: Fun with learning along the way
MSmits: yeah
DJSchaffner: cool
MSmits: also there's competition
MSmits: its not just fun
Astrobytes: ^
MSmits: it's winning :grin:
MSmits: and sometimes losing :(
DJSchaffner: :joy:
Astrobytes: And of course our most excellent, helpful community.
Astrobytes: And jacek :P
MSmits: yeah learned so much here
MSmits: even from jacek
Astrobytes: A lot from jacek
Astrobytes: Despite the fact he is the Troll King
VizGhar: yeah jacek is very helpful just ask him if you need something
MSmits: allright a lot
MSmits: but phrase it precisely
Astrobytes: I think we should ping jacek once more
MSmits: he will troll you if you dont say exactly what you mean
Astrobytes: "eeyup"
MSmits: it's jacek humor
jacek: humor?
MSmits: or maybe it's a bug, not a feature, i dunno jacek
Astrobytes: *humour
jacek: mour?
jacek: n
jacek: those brits
MSmits: colour
jacek: they wont exit the u
MSmits: behaviour
Astrobytes: I know. Making all the words for the rest of the world to use and spell incorrectly.
MSmits: saviour
VizGhar: parkur
MSmits: how do you spell bigly?
MSmits: is it bigley?
MSmits: brits arent the only ones making words
Jrabovsky: does anyone know what '.'*int(input()) does in python?
MSmits: makes the input into an integer if it can
MSmits: dont know what the * does
Astrobytes: I think bigly is actually a word, but you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone using it
DJSchaffner: nah it repeats the letter n times
DJSchaffner: say you enter a 5
DJSchaffner: it will be "....."
MSmits: ohh right
MSmits: i misses the dot
Jrabovsky: ohhhh
Jrabovsky: alright thank you
Jrabovsky: had no clue what this guy did for his code
MSmits: DJSchaffner already teaching
DJSchaffner: :joy:
DJSchaffner: why not if im already here and know the answer to it :D
MSmits: of course
Jrabovsky: thank you sm
MSmits: man... i am dreading pasting this new code into my bot, my VS is already slow from 2 running meta mcts :P
Astrobytes: 2?
MSmits: yeah yavalath and oware current
Astrobytes: ah
MSmits: it's always oware and something else
Astrobytes: yeah, I forgot you were revisiting Y
MSmits: i'm just being forced to deal with two machine learning enthousiast trying to steal my spot :P
struct: robo and jace k?
MSmits: yeah
jacek: you see the pony is higher despite no opening book
DJSchaffner: oh wow you are rank 27 :o crazy stuff
Astrobytes: the spirit of competition compels you MSmits!
MSmits: jacek you should resubmit to be certain, the movement on the ladder is mostly due to repeated submits by me
MSmits: i have everyone else counterbooked
MSmits: your bot is still new to me
MSmits: so of course i am pushing it up every time i submit
derjack: as Celestia my witness, I will defeat you!
MSmits: hehe good :)
**Astrobytes vomits in the corner
MSmits: DJSchaffner thats overall rank
MSmits: to get good overall rank it basically means you need to be somewhat good, but also very active, because it's mostly an activity score
MSmits: it's better to look at individual arenas to see who's good
DJSchaffner: ah i see
Astrobytes: It's fairly reliable up to a point
Astrobytes: (the rank/XP thing)
Westicles: CP is probably the closest thing to reputation on here.
Astrobytes: but there are many excellent users out there with lower scores
MSmits: yeah i guess so, for example, euler, who's on here all the time, is one of the best players, but he's definitely not *the* best, but he's nr 1 because he does well in everything and tries everything
MSmits: or maybe he's 2 now
MSmits: it varies
jacek: hes 2nd. noob.
MSmits: lol
jacek: right, AutomatonNN
AutomatonNN: ey solution is a lot of work to get it right
jacek: eeyup
derjack: eeyup
MSmits: oh noes, the trolls are breeding
Astrobytes: eeyup
VizGhar: you will hear about euler a lot... german guys gets a lot of attention last century
jacek: :scream:
Astrobytes: hahaha
MSmits: Schmetterling!
jacek: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0c/38/17/0c3817ba605e61bc5163d536cd0eeb9e.jpg
VizGhar: lol jacek
MSmits: nice one
Astrobytes: :rofl:
jacek: right, i got higher rank when resubmited
MSmits: nice
MSmits: huh, it says 10
jacek: i mean me
MSmits: when i look at the board
jacek: i was 10
jacek: and pony was 5
MSmits: ohh right, so i pushed you up
MSmits: it's a good bot though
MSmits: just like your jacek bot
MSmits: they're both good. There's so much RPS going on between bots that its hard to say who's better
DJSchaffner: are your bots measured by performance or is it also test cases?
Astrobytes: winning matches
MSmits: they just play games against eachother on submission of the bot
DJSchaffner: ahh sounds cool
Astrobytes: so, score based on that
MSmits: sometimes one play submits a lot of times, that has the effect of dropping other players in rank that are particularly weak against that player
MSmits: one player
jacek: like cheating by using opening books :unamused:
MSmits: this depends a lot on the game, some games dont really have this effect because bots are just objectively better allround
MSmits: hey my bot found all those moves offline :P
MSmits: like your bot found yours :P
MSmits: mine just remembers them better
MSmits: with opening books there is no "training loss "
MSmits: it's funny how you receive this effect with so few moves. 1500 moves is less than all combinations of moves in the first 2 plies
jacek: well there is, but you wont know until you lose with that move
jacek: unless its been solved
MSmits: its the same with opening books, except all information is persistent
struct: under 1500 with mirrored board right?
MSmits: ah yes i forgot about that
MSmits: it's 12x more
MSmits: but most players will always use the same orientation anyway
MSmits: some random this
MSmits: btw jacek, in oware i found games against recurse and games against you that were the same for the first 50 plies
jacek: what a copy cat, that recurse
MSmits: this is what good bots do, they choose from a very small subset of moves
MSmits: so you get almost identical games
MSmits: well actually, its more like you have a range of games you play due to your random and some of those games are also recurses games
jacek: dunno how rebless, robo has quite different inputs than mine
struct: Is it possible to beat you on yavalath without a book?
jacek: pony did few times
MSmits: without book, my bot is in the same range has trictrac, dafish, renard and pb4
MSmits: a little above darkhorse i think
MSmits: i dont know how robo, jacek, equine jacek and others fit in
struct: How hard is it to remove the book?
struct: Just to test
MSmits: it's a deletion
struct: if you dont mind ofc
MSmits: I'll probably end 5th or so
MSmits: i'll try
struct: thanks
MSmits: i'm kind of curious myself
MSmits: might do it 2 or 3 times to be sure
MSmits: it will be slightly worse because it is still checking the book during the search, but its a small penalty
MSmits: its checking an empty unordered set
MSmits: mmh i may have to comment some stuff, sec.
MSmits: here goes
struct: :rocket:
MSmits: well at least a full 10 win opening
MSmits: tric trac is hard to beat
MSmits: oo win vs jacek and pony :P
DJSchaffner: oh wow i just got into a reverse mode clash
DJSchaffner: that was tough, couldnt figure it out in time
MSmits: yeah sometimes they are
MSmits: or you figure it out right at the end
MSmits: and no time to code
MSmits: advantage of this submit without book is that it plays more randomly
MSmits: so i wont get thhis situation where someone always beats me
DJSchaffner: whats a common approach there? i tried to go at it step by step and see where it leads me. is figuring out the whole thing a better approach?
MSmits: do you mean reverse clash?
DJSchaffner: yes
struct: was it numbers?
jacek: the whole thing
MSmits: most of us here dont clash at all, except when they introduced quests
jacek: how can you do one thing a time?
DJSchaffner: i took screenshots so i can try and solve it afterwwards :D
DJSchaffner: ah okay
struct: show it :)
MSmits: bah losing streak
struct: Lets see if I remember the clash
jacek: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/700318015421546526/791066045552263168/x.png?width=556&height=714
DJSchaffner: sec, i will post them
MSmits: not a good submit, but at least I'm beating pony sometimes
MSmits: my bot has always been weak at the start, it really needs some help there
DJSchaffner: https://i.imgur.com/VwT2qcJ.png
DJSchaffner: https://i.imgur.com/LybsbKg.png
DJSchaffner: https://i.imgur.com/fEHVgG9.png
struct: o.o
DJSchaffner: i didnt scroll down for all test though :D
VizGhar: All i can see is infinite loading
struct: imgur not working for me
jacek: it doesnt load for me
DJSchaffner: oh i try a different host
struct: I could not solve this reverse
jacek: imageshack.us :v
Astrobytes: lol struct
Astrobytes: right, I'm away to drink lots of wine and eat cheese. Goodnight all
struct: gn
MSmits: gn
jacek: :tada: https://www.codingame.com/replay/518182704
MSmits: ugh that game hurts my eyes
MSmits: the first few moves are sooo bad
MSmits: corner lol
MartinEduardo: hello guys
struct: hi
jacek: and DRAW?
MSmits: ohh
MSmits: I think i bugged my bot
MSmits: when i removed book
jacek: that would be cool solving draw at that point
MSmits: i was just gonna say :P
MSmits: maybe i can fix it and try again sec
MSmits: aww crap book is more woven through my bot than i thought, thats why its bugging a bit. But the result wouldnt be much better than it is now i think
MSmits: maybe 6th or so on a reasonable submit. Renard and Robo wreck me
DJSchaffner: ok next try with the uploads
DJSchaffner: https://prnt.sc/w9z8co
https://prnt.sc/w9z8i5
https://prnt.sc/w9z7re
MSmits: oh that fizzbuzz thing
struct: this is not a normal fizzbuzz
VizGhar: mg hate fizz buzz in any format
MSmits: https://repl.it/@msmits/FizzBuzz
MSmits: i colleague wanted me to solve this fizzbuzz puzzle once, not CG related
struct: oh
struct: just replace the % by the first input
struct: and the 2nd % by the 2nd
DJSchaffner: what i figured out was that some value starts a 1 and gets subtracted by (f - 1). no idea what happens afterwards and when it prints buzz or fizz but it stops when the value thats being tracked reaches n
struct: should be it
struct: the last input is the range
Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/4439c1facbe9139d751c277c2d8781d47d08
jacek: oh my
struct: its a nice clash imo
DJSchaffner: even with that description its not clear to me after just reading it haha
struct: I think referee works finally
VizGhar: struct still STC? about how long does it take to you to reach legend in those games?
VizGhar: I cant focus longer then a day or so :D that's why I'm so low ranked
struct: This is my longest one
struct: but im already legend there
MSmits: struct has a longstanding obsession with STC
struct: Im legend there for I think 2 years
struct: But havent submited since then
MSmits: but its been in the back of your head
struct: yeah, I like it
struct: Despite thinking it has a few problems
DJSchaffner: does anyone have a better solution to the fizzbuff thing than i do? :D
https://hastebin.com/yedetatela.apache
im not happy with mine but at least it works
DJSchaffner: oh i did it in python btw
MSmits: sorry not me
MSmits: too busy trying to make this 3k line monster into something that works :P
DJSchaffner: good luck with that then:smile:
MSmits: soon :)
DJSchaffner: anyways, it was nice chatting with you guys. good night!
MSmits: gn!
SupSon: let's say I have 9 bits, is there some efficient way I can duplicate the 9 bit pattern across the remaining 32/64 bits using some bitwise operations?
**LegendaryStone slaps around a bit with a large fishbot
struct: Thats a good questions for MSmits I think
MSmits: oh hey
MSmits: sorry wasnt paying attention
MSmits: hmm
MSmits: a short loop is what you need probably
MSmits: x | x << 9 | x << 18 | x << 27 also works
MSmits: but thats basically a loop
SupSon: oh ok thanks
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