eulerscheZahl: math and coding are closely related
eulerscheZahl: and have you ever tried to study computer science at University?
you'll get a lot of math lectures
Kariin: yeah I did but irl i don't need to remember formulas and stuff
Kariin: there's google for that
Kariin: my brain got lazy for math
SaadAhmed1: hi
linjoehan: I like both actually i like math more. The truth is that most CS jobs won't require much math, but it's usually the guy that knows the math that makes that page load in 3 seconds compared to the old version that takes 10x longer.
linjoehan: I think
abt8601: Mathematics is required to solve some problems. And programming itself is closely related to mathematics. Maybe have a look at this.
https://awalterschulze.github.io/blog/post/neglecting-math-at-university/
macobo: Math is puzzle-solving and programming is puzzle-solving. Quite different, yet so similar.
hanzhere: why cannot launch clash game?
[CG]Thibaud: what do you mean hanzhere ?
ThomPouce: Yeah, after countdown, the game is not starting
Allis: Glitching here too.
ThomPouce: and the countdown restarts
[CG]Thibaud: with F5 maybe ?
[CG]Thibaud: let's see
Allis: I noticed something was up when one of my submissions got stuck on "Pending..."
[CG]Thibaud: ok I'm informing the devs
Allis: Thank you. Any sort of ETA?
ThomPouce: Thank you
[CG]Thibaud: I'd say 10 minutes
ad99526: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1305627488f5ec3898c5049d3572dcdb7ece5a3
ad99526: private clash, joiiiinnnnn
AmarjitSingh: everyone join on this its working
ad99526: 1 minute left
AmarjitSingh: you have 30 secs left to change your life
AmarjitSingh: 10
ad99526: 10 secs
AmarjitSingh: 9
AmarjitSingh: 8
AmarjitSingh: 7
jrke: what is this countdown for
AmarjitSingh: A bomb is going off
jrke: ??
[CG]jupoulton2: Clashes are working again
[CG]Thibaud: Thanks Julien
ad99526: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1305650d3f6e7b09e41f527c110d8b063fe391f
jacek: :f
OrsosAdam: How can I only join for a specific clash?
OrsosAdam: I don't want to play Reverse, but gladly play the others
Astrobytes: OrsosAdam You can only do that within a private clash
toby666999: Hello?
toby666999: Anybody Here?
toby666999: I have a question
vitnsk: ?
toby666999: How should I do of the Security Check
vitnsk: captcha
toby666999: I have no captcha on my browser
toby666999: :confused:
toby666999: Why?
vitnsk: it's your browser
vitnsk: try another one
toby666999: But I tried another browser
toby666999: There isn't a captcha on it
vitnsk: connectivity issue with recaptcha services?
toby666999: I don't know
toby666999: There only a pictrue of Clash Of Code and 2 sentenses on it
toby666999: Security Check
Clash of Code is meant for human coders only, please prove you aren't a bot!
toby666999: There aren't any thing under the sentenses.
jacek: i think recaptcha is blocked in china
Astrobytes: ^ this
toby666999: ...
Astrobytes: Maybe you can get around it with VPN? I'm not sure
toby666999: What is VPN？
toby666999: hello?
toby666999: I'm going to have my dinner
toby666999: ttyl
Astrobytes: sorry was afk, it's a way of protecting your anonymity online, very few work for China however
remi6: I think it is a serious issue if people of a whole country are not able to play CoC because the site uses Google's services.
Astrobytes: It really is pretty awful
jacek: hmm, maybe should report to discord
Astrobytes: The counter-argument is to blame Chinese government, but there must be a way that works for everyone
Astrobytes: Pretty sure something can be done about it, there are other non-Google security checks right?
remi6: Alternatives certainly exist. Cloudflare switched to hCaptcha recently for example.
Astrobytes: I'll put a message in the bug thread on discord
Astrobytes: Alright, reported.
DeWill: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1305810dab877fa259a3ecdddeacda64f39dece
jacek: s:
Astrobytes: DeWill, just ask if anyone wants to clash, then send them the link if they do
toby666999: Thanks
DeWill: Oh, my bad....:sweat_smile:
DeWill: Is anyone ready for clash....?
toby666999: Me！
DeWill: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1305823ede77fa23bdd66ed27e97d84f30ba227
Astrobytes: in PM I mean!
Astrobytes: So as not to fill the chat with clash links ;)
wlesavo: lol, nice one
Astrobytes: In retrospect it seems I should have been more clear
SunnySponge_3235: any java geek here?
SunnySponge_3235: want some help
AntiSquid: DeWill no clash invite links in main chat please.
AntiSquid: ever!
DeWill: ok...:thumbsup:
jacek: java geek?
MSmits: a jeek
jacek: kotlin ways would be keek
MSmits: and rust would be reek
MSmits: btw
MSmits: look at this test:
MSmits: 14:05:03,587 INFO Temporary results for othello.cpp (ETA : 39 minutes) : http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/0247bdc6-6c2b-4a41-b021-b5972075643b
MSmits: rps is nuts, i didnt even try for it to work for dbdr, i just maximize for total winrate
MSmits: still not worth submitting though
dbdr: definitely not ;)
MSmits: I wonder if there even is one that beats everyone. Doubt it, but we'll see
dbdr: maybe it's because many bots are *almost* deterministic?
MSmits: yeah thats usually the case
dbdr: well, minimax should be more than MCTS I think
dbdr: no randomness involved, just timing
MSmits: yes
MSmits: thats why i have such an easy time on yavalath also
MSmits: except vs the mcts bots
dbdr: well, the mcts introduces the randomness, yes
MSmits: even without random rollout
MSmits: it's much more sensitive to timing
MSmits: because iterative deepening always gives the same result
MSmits: except on deeper levels
MSmits: and there are only 2 possibilities basically
MSmits: either you get another level or you dont
MSmits: so on any game state you will do at most 2 possible moves
MSmits: unless the eval is equal and you random, this helps...
dbdr: not exactly, because of TT
MSmits: oh thats true, if you keep it from earlier turns
dbdr: I mean it affects later turns, even if you have the same result
MSmits: not if you only keep from current turn
LoGos: Hi. sorry for interrupting. What is TT?
MSmits: transposition tables
dbdr: transposition table
LoGos: Thank you both
MSmits: getting the same gamestate via a different series of moves
MSmits: or sometimes just by making a different move
MSmits: this last bit is usually true for symmetric gamestates
MSmits: i had a thought the other day. Othello is really weird for having only 1 unique move as a first move
MSmits: basically the opening board is not the opening board
dbdr: yeah
MSmits: because it really starts at ply 2
MSmits: btw dbdr, do you have a simple eval like me>?
MSmits: i mean besides the probcut stuff
dbdr: no, I evaluate patterns
dbdr: probcut is not an eval
jacek: so, ntuples as well
jacek: and MSmits, i think its worh submitting
MSmits: lol
jacek: gotta pull down the rus abit
MSmits: will be a while before i submit :)
Schwase: just figured out network cabling. i feel so dumb
jacek: hmm swap rule wouldnt be interesting in othello, would it :v
whitedeath: hello
jacek: ohai
MSmits: lol no... swap rule would be totally useless
MSmits: but since they believe it will be solved as a draw it's not necessary
G-Rom: Ctrl-F5 home page ;)
jrke: Is there any refree link for langton's ant?
MSmits: it's on the forum
MSmits: check the discussion page, I think it was in there
jrke: does cg website home page changed
jrke: or my net issue?
G-Rom: yes it has been updated with a quest map
jacek: yay free exp
jrke: hmm looks good
ntsd: Man
ntsd: just know it
ntsd: the quest map
jrke: thanks to new quest now level 24
ntsd: now 22
jrke: oh now 25
ntsd: you're growing so fast
ntsd: I'm stop now
jrke: also filled 900 in level 25
ntsd: I move from 20 to 22
jrke: ah now 26
jrke: now stopped
jrke: i went 23 to 26
eulerscheZahl: am i supposed to see the quest maps of other users?
eulerscheZahl: or is this a private thing?
jrke: hmm same ques also rised in my mind
G-Rom: @eulerscheZahl this is not a big deal if you see it but no you can't if you navigate normally. We're reworking the profile so that it displays more things
eulerscheZahl: i see
tobk: Uh, free XP just for clicking on things...
G-Rom: you're level 34, these things were not totally free ;)
dbdr: today CG is a clicker game :D
tobk: yeah, but now I get more XP for stuff I already did. In fact, looking at all those bubbles might be enough to get me to level 35 :-D
G-Rom: a short clicker ;)
jrke: :smiley:
jrke: this update gave me level 26 from 23
jrke: 3 level increase
tobk: I like the "where to go next" thing, but the "free" XP is a bit excessive
eulerscheZahl: you don't have to click it ;)
tobk: Oh, if you think that you do not know me...
[CG]Thibaud: also, the experience is different when you're starting CG
[CG]Thibaud: and doing all the quests 1 by 1
jrke: maybe it can be to give a gift for active users
tobk: Wow, I just got about as much XP as going from zero to Legend in three games...
macobo: A quest map? Where, what how? :D
eulerscheZahl: I can answer the where: https://prnt.sc/tnb1p7
macobo: Snarky :)
macobo: Found it as well - didn't expect anything to be behind the codingame logo
AmarjitSingh: heyyy
Zenoscave: [CG]Thibaud what happens when you finish the new xp map
tobk: Huh, why isn't the ranking-bar on the new home page logarithmic like in the chart you see when you click on it?
[CG]Thibaud: for now, nothing Zenoscave
Zenoscave: Later things to be added possibly?
[CG]Thibaud: we'll add 2 new paths after those
[CG]Thibaud: very hard ones
Zenoscave: Great!
YCS-Venom: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1306070f2ce5ac77ec254aa685b90d742e7f52b
YCS-Venom: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1306070f2ce5ac77ec254aa685b90d742e7f52b
eulerscheZahl: what does the author want to tell us here?
inoryy: clash of code has the longest path :grimacing:
tsq_code_game: .
inoryy: but otherwise looks nice
tsq_code_game: 还能聊天？
jacek: ah inoryy i have an NN question for ya
inoryy: shoot
jacek: derivative of relu at 0. does it matter if its 1 or 0? sources say its arbitrary (i can choose either?) but for xor example the derivative must be 0 otherwise it wont converge, at least for me
Hjax: huh this map thing got me 2 levels
Hjax: free xp
darkhorse64: Is it really worth doing the CoC quest, XP Wise ? Many steps and Coc is not my cup of tea
Hjax: one of the coc quests is to complete a clash in 3 different languages
Hjax: which is where i am stuck, i always use python for clash
jacek: i got all from clashes
darkhorse64: I have done one clash in my life for the easy XP
inoryy: jacek it doesn't matter in the sense that for continuous activations you'd almost never run into a strict zero
jacek: xor example is just very small and i run into zeroes?
inoryy: if you're trying to learn xor then maybe look at another activation that's differentiable everywhere
inoryy: e.g. leaky relu, tanh, sigmoid, ...
jacek: leaky relu is differentiable? :o
inoryy: hmm I might be thinking of another one
inoryy: there was one that emulates relu but doesn't have the non-differentiable spot
jacek: well there was some smooth leaky-relu like
inoryy: yeah
LoGos: log(1+e^x) ?
LoGos: without parameters
inoryy: I'm not sure what do you mean by "xor example is just very small and i run into zeroes?"
jacek: that in more real world examples i would have thousands of units and i would never encounter exactly zero
inoryy: but even in your case I'm not sure how you'd run into a strict zero? I guess if both inputs are 0 and it's the first first step after init with biases set to 0?
inoryy: but then you can just init biases to something very small
Zenoscave: darkhorse64 I would say it is only worthwhile if you time it ;) There's sometimes lulls in CoC activity. Just compete when it's only the auto-bot players
darkhorse64: I am awfully slow at these kind of things and I am a C++ only coder. It's not going to make it
Zenoscave: darkhorse64 that's fair
dbdr: aren't the bots behaving like real players?
dbdr: reproducing the same solutions in the same time
Zenoscave: inoryy can a derivative be approximated? do taylor polynomials make non-differential-able functions usuable in activation?
Zenoscave: The last I played them they were very slow
darkhorse64: They are not modeled after me
Zenoscave: dbdr
bipinsingh061: what up daher ? :)
MSmits: darkhorse64 you'll pick up python quickly
MSmits: useful to know
eulerscheZahl: ezpz
MSmits: give it up eulerscheZahl, noone can fill the void mk left
MSmits: it's a heroic try, but insufficient
eulerscheZahl: i still haven't started working on an MK bot
eulerscheZahl: hoping for the real one to return
MSmits: fun project
eulerscheZahl: and Cyberpunk
MSmits: yeah that may be fun to create, but not fun for us when it is running :P
MSmits: if you want someone to make chat walls, just ask me, no need to make a bot
darkhorse64: I can read Python, speaking is another level
MSmits: just do a bunch of easy puzzles
MSmits: it's more fun in python too, because you need less code
eulerscheZahl: i can make chat walls too. even below the actual chat
eulerscheZahl: wanna see?
darkhorse64: I have done the bare minimum of 15
MSmits: nooo
jacek: i wanna see chat wall
jacek: 2 3 is best yavalath opening
eulerscheZahl: \o/
jacek: lets tart
eulerscheZahl: muhaha ̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤
MSmits: 2 3 is very weak as player 1 tbh
darkhorse64: what's a chat wall ? It bounces questions ?
MSmits: evne though i start with it
eulerscheZahl: do you know the answer now darkhorse64?
jacek: i thought a chat wall was wall of text, not that thing
eulerscheZahl: kudos to AutomatonNN for discovering it
AutomatonNN: why do you plan to get the match to see what is the most promising than me?
jacek: how could he discover it if noone wrote it?
eulerscheZahl: no idea
eulerscheZahl: bug?
eulerscheZahl: oh, already over :(
MSmits: emergent behavior
darkhorse64: please do not make this chat look like #fr
MSmits: what does #fr look like
eulerscheZahl: 50% automaton chat activity?
jacek: omelette du fromage
eulerscheZahl: i hate that bot actually
darkhorse64: and 50% useless rant
bipinsingh061: #fr
eulerscheZahl: now i want to know how that chat wall looks on dbdr's history
dbdr: we checked before, didn't we?
eulerscheZahl: did we?
eulerscheZahl: i remember wiki syntax
eulerscheZahl: {\displaystyle x={\frac {-b\pm {\sqrt {b^{2}-4ac}}}{2a}}\ \ }
eulerscheZahl: ${\displaystyle x={\frac {-b\pm {\sqrt {b^{2}-4ac}}}{2a}}\ \ }$
dbdr: https://cg.spdns.eu/wiki/Chat:World/2020-07-23
eulerscheZahl: the same as here
dbdr: I have done 1 clash :D
JBM: welcome to the wonderful world of... [lost inspiration here]
dbdr: that's worth 2.5 CP apparently
dbdr: for finishing 2nd :D
eulerscheZahl: clickopolis
dbdr: 2.5K CP
eulerscheZahl: you have to explain that to me dbdr
dbdr: same as being 1st in one optim
dbdr: which part?
eulerscheZahl: oh, CP
i thought about XP from the quest map
jacek: CP? :scream:
JBM: don't get too addicted to clash cp
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/tnedv6
what is that progress bar good for?
RoboStac: just think if you were 1st it'd be a full progress bar
RoboStac: now theres a tiny bit missing to drive you mad
dbdr: I guess some prople don't have a full bar ;)
eulerscheZahl: hmm, I should zoom in :D
dbdr: 1/100th of a pixel :)
eulerscheZahl: zoom stops at 500% for my browser
jacek: is it IE?
eulerscheZahl: Chromium
eulerscheZahl: i won't use wine just to power a shitty browser
dbdr: https://i.snipboard.io/Qo7ZeP.jpg
pvchopade204: Chrome is best...😂😂✌
eulerscheZahl: dev tools :rolling_eyes:
pvchopade204: ...?
eulerscheZahl: clicking gave me a boost of approx 1.05 levels
dbdr: i'm a powa usa
JBM: usa suck
dbdr: you're lucky I don't have admin rights yet ;)
eulerscheZahl: you never will
eulerscheZahl: moderator != admin
JBM: not with that attitude
dbdr: never say never
JBM: again
eulerscheZahl: did you send your application already?
dbdr: not yet
eulerscheZahl: you can't compete on contests anymore if you work there
dbdr: I could also buy the company
dbdr: and make the rules
eulerscheZahl: everyone better than dbdr gets DQed
dbdr: sounds fair to me
MSmits: better on any board?
MSmits: or 1 specific one
dbdr: Error 444: Submit it too good
dbdr: *is too good
MSmits: aww
wild: how do i get better
eulerscheZahl: better at what?
how good are you already?
...?
JBM: "this" good
macobo: 100 pushups 100 situps 100 squats 10 km run
macobo: Every single day
macobo: should help
cmd.exe: Input
Expected output
31
5
tomatoes: and 100 clashes
cmd.exe: input 31 output 5
cmd.exe: i cant understand this
jacek: popcount input ~~
AbundantPuddle: cmd, are you clashing and doing a reverse engineering problem?
eulerscheZahl: 2^5-1 = 31
jacek: 7567489678979 * 0 + 31 = 31
jacek: ezpz
Kariin: xd
AbundantPuddle: Oooh, did CG get an upgrade?
AbundantPuddle: I feel like Euler has just done so many clashes he just knows all of the answers based off of 1 set of inputs and outputs.
AntiSquid: for a moment i thought i entered some kinda RPG game from steam lol
AntiSquid: when did the front page change?
eulerscheZahl: 5h ago
AntiSquid: and it feels like some kinda game, i click the buttons and collect XP rewards :D
eulerscheZahl: you can get a full level with that. and i even miss parts of the clashing path
Astrobytes: The clashing path makes me sad
jacek: i got 2 levels
eulerscheZahl: i fail the top1000
3 years ago i would have gotten it
jacek: and i have full clashing path
AntiSquid: it's funny because i got my clashing achivement through quick join + insta submit at 0%
Astrobytes: I just got 1 level
AntiSquid: oh i am stuck at win 3 reverse clashes, guess i need to do clashes now :/
AbundantPuddle: Thanks AntiSquid. I just realized that I could click them.
jacek: awesome UX isnt it
Astrobytes: Whole thing seems a bit... clunky?
AntiSquid: my gaming experience paid off AbundantPuddle
AbundantPuddle: Lmao
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/tnfesv
who can click faster?
AntiSquid: i am not gonna click fast, gonna enjoy the slow clicks, reading description and savor the achievements
AbundantPuddle: ^
AntiSquid: otherwise could use a macro editor and just move mouse
AntiSquid: oh i need to make a contribution damn
eulerscheZahl: i'm far ahead of you
AbundantPuddle: Me too, but I don't like contributing to anything.
AntiSquid: so the community contest doesn't count eh?
eulerscheZahl: this particular quest might motivate users to contribute nonsense, we'll see
AbundantPuddle: Especially those programs for little kids.
AbundantPuddle: Or abused animals.
AntiSquid: it 100% does
jacek: like yinsh?
AntiSquid: or paper soccer
eulerscheZahl: or an ASCII value clash
AbundantPuddle: That is very true Euler. But wasn't there some sort of reward for contributions prior to this as well?
AbundantPuddle: jacek with the low blow.
Astrobytes: They're already pretty good at contributing nonsense eulerscheZahl!
eulerscheZahl: 250XP for an approved contribution, 10XP for an upvote
eulerscheZahl: there's a new SDK puzzle pending
Astrobytes: Perhaps a bonus system for clash easiness
eulerscheZahl: with a mouse in a see
eulerscheZahl: sea
el19oc: hey, what are these quests you're talking about?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/home
el19oc: Oh damn
eulerscheZahl: CG does A/B testing, maybe you don't have them yet
el19oc: don't think I ever scrolled down on the homepage
Astrobytes: No this is new today
AntiSquid: next we need some gacha system and maybe some items / heroes / cards to play with :D
Astrobytes: God no
AntiSquid: the AI one is basically just get CSB legend on the path
eulerscheZahl: easy path
AntiSquid: anyone has clash path completed?
AbundantPuddle: How about a challenge where we have to code bots to auto-progress through th quests?
AbundantPuddle: *the
Astrobytes: But that's just bot programming with leagues, which we have
SPDene: just code an AI to replace yourself, and let THAT coe the bots :P
AntiSquid: hm i thought i was level 49 before
Astrobytes: Sure, ezpz :)
AbundantPuddle: Or code an AI to write the AI that replaces you.
jacek: or make code that would solve recaptcha
Astrobytes: Or just give up and hide in the corner.
eulerscheZahl: no AntiSquid. you are toad - 4
AntiSquid: well now i need to do clashes seriously ? :/
automaton2000 help me
Automaton2000: it's the easiest way to do that?
Astrobytes: Hey, why is there no multiplayer in the filter on the contributions page. Only clashes and puzzles
AntiSquid: would anyone be interested in 2v2 version of BotG ? :p
eulerscheZahl: because the filter is much older than SDK contributions
Zenoscave: I have the clash path done AntiSquid
eulerscheZahl: i could add a filter on my puzzle page :thinking:
Astrobytes: They need to update that, it's annoying
eulerscheZahl: have you ever tried opening the full page of approved puzzles?
Astrobytes: AntiSquid I'm barely interested in the original (no offense :D )
AntiSquid: it's ok
eulerscheZahl: 1k items on a single page, makes my browser cry in pain
AntiSquid: so another 2v2 game then?
Astrobytes: Just did eulerscheZahl, slowed the hell out of my browser
Zenoscave: I handled it fine
Astrobytes: I prefer your puzzle browser
Zenoscave: Wait chat is now typing one letter a second
Astrobytes: there you go
eulerscheZahl: exactly :D
AntiSquid: Zenoscave what are the challenges after the "win 3 reverse" ? if you don't mind telling, want to know if i want to commit to clashes (kinda hate the rushed format, i like to take a nap inbetween and watch random videos)
Zenoscave: Let me look on sec
eulerscheZahl: 3 shortest
Zenoscave: win 3 shortest, solve 3 in a row
Zenoscave: 3 different langs
eulerscheZahl: 3 different language
eulerscheZahl: top1000 leaderboard
eulerscheZahl: win 3 in a row
Zenoscave: yup
eulerscheZahl: i'm blocked on top1k
jacek: but later there is win 3 games in a row :?
RoboStac: top 1000 wouldn't take many clashes
Zenoscave: currently 476th :/
RoboStac: as long as you can win
eulerscheZahl: i just don't want to clash anymore
Zenoscave: It is like 5-10 wins to get top 1000
eulerscheZahl: got the rest long ago
AntiSquid: i am sure i was top 1000 just with the join - quit method
AntiSquid: even top 200 at some point
eulerscheZahl: i was top10 at some point i think
Zenoscave: Depends on the day, it's pretty volatile depending on some players
eulerscheZahl: in my early CG days
Zenoscave: My best was 2nd but I hadn't found the glory of multi's yet
eulerscheZahl: CoC is rather prominent on the website
AbundantPuddle: Yeah, I'm on the 3 different languages, but I don't know how to change the site language to French or Spanish.
AbundantPuddle: :joy:
eulerscheZahl: with a lobby that was on the main page till today
Zenoscave: no 3 prog langs
AntiSquid: should have a contest path there or something
Zenoscave: r/whooosh to me
eulerscheZahl: i did C# and python for sure. maybe py2 and py3?
AbundantPuddle: I know Zeno, I was being funny.
Zenoscave: just got it
AbundantPuddle: Lmao
AntiSquid: maybe even a language path
AntiSquid: final challenge: code in some obscure language
eulerscheZahl: thibaud said they will add 2 more paths
Zenoscave: Like D?
Zenoscave: ;)
eulerscheZahl: in the drafts they had a "hacker path"
AbundantPuddle: The Path of the D
eulerscheZahl: i forgot the quests
AntiSquid: D is super easy compared to other ones lol
G-Rom: shhhhhttt
dbdr: thibault said they would add some harder quests later
eulerscheZahl: with a /secret command on the chat
Zenoscave: eulerscheZahl giving away secrets
eulerscheZahl: :P
Zenoscave: is it the shrug command
G-Rom: I'm still trying to find good enigma ;)
jacek: double rot-13
dbdr: quadruple is more secure
jacek: ill make clash of it
eulerscheZahl: find the next contest before it starts
Zenoscave: G-Rom make a challeng to promote more than 1000 players at once on CSB
dbdr: lol
AntiSquid: G-Rom add a gacha system, i am only half joking, seriously you will boost the activity in no time with that
Zenoscave: gacha?
dbdr: gacha?
Zenoscave: gacha?
G-Rom: gacha?
eulerscheZahl: call an API function that isn't available via UI
eulerscheZahl: oh, combobreaker, sorry
AntiSquid: not sure based on what or what you'd offer with it, but basically having more forms of points would go hand in hand with that funny path system
Zenoscave: what is gacha
AntiSquid: well gacha is basically having multiple forms of currencies in online games
Zenoscave: ohhhhh
G-Rom: berk
eulerscheZahl: micro transactions?
dbdr: CGcoin
Zenoscave: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gacha_game
AntiSquid: but in case of CG it would be likes different types of point systems for different types of achivements or skills or whatever
Zenoscave: lmgtfy.com/?q=gacha+game
Astrobytes: No, no and no. Plus moar no. With no on top.
dbdr: mine CGcoin in your bots
G-Rom: no, we're preparing a lot of new exciting stuff
AntiSquid: lmgtfy gacha system probably is better zenithude_web
AntiSquid: Zenoscave
Zenoscave: interesting
dbdr: gah, blocked on "play 50 clashes" :sweat_smile:
AntiSquid: clash-coins :D
eulerscheZahl: you should start to "play" them :D
Zenoscave: eulerscheZahl how many do you have left?
dbdr: automate you mean?
AbundantPuddle: I think I broke it.
https://imgur.com/a/CjXaK49
eulerscheZahl: how many what?
Zenoscave: achievements left to finish
eulerscheZahl: i did 258 of 271
eulerscheZahl: do the math yourself
AntiSquid: he doesn't have the 1st in a contest yet
Zenoscave: Of the new one. the paths
eulerscheZahl: these are "quests".
2 clash ones
eulerscheZahl: top1k + win 3 in a row (which i probably have)
Zenoscave: thanks for the correction :) What is in algorithms after puzzle of the week
Zenoscave: that's what I'm stuck on right now. haven't done many puzzles lately
dbdr: https://i.snipboard.io/q4JruK.jpg
AbundantPuddle: I could have sworn I have done the puzzle of the week in the past. I guess not.
Zenoscave: whoa dbdr
dbdr: :innocent:
AbundantPuddle: Way to be a db.
AbundantPuddle: :joy:
eulerscheZahl: sure dbdr, you won a contest
Zenoscave: Can you still get the Community contest achievement?
eulerscheZahl: you can still create and suggest a community contest
eulerscheZahl: it's just that CG won't help you in the creation process
eulerscheZahl: where did my struct go? :sob:
Zenoscave: I recall hearing about that
dbdr: https://i.snipboard.io/Cq24fH.jpg
There, done with CG
dbdr: what's next?
Zenoscave: lol
AntiSquid: buy the company
dbdr: ah yes
AntiSquid: and make a chain out of it
dbdr: CookinGame
eulerscheZahl: your level isn't fully filled dbdr
dbdr: yeah, but if I do it will overflow
jacek: the good thing about dbd r is i could test multiple pass moves for the tree reuse
jacek: dbdr do you have only patterns as eval?
dbdr: no, also mobility
eulerscheZahl: Astrobytes have an ugly filter that's an insult for every web designer http://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/?q=&category=PUZZLE_SOLO
jacek: like this? https://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/torvalds/
Astrobytes: haha nice one. It's functional, that satisfies a programmer
AntiSquid: use padding, center top buttons
eulerscheZahl: "feel free to mail me, and I'll probably feel free to ignore you." :D
itzblinkzy: pedrosorio share your code please?
itzblinkzy: i'm tryna learn :pensive:
itzblinkzy: :cry:
jacek: huh
pedrosorio: oh
pedrosorio: @itzblinkzy can you link the clash so I can share?
icecream17: Is the nullish coalescing operator available (js)?
Astrobytes: Try it and see
icecream17: SyntaxError: Unexpected token '?'
at Answer.js. on line 47
Adassko: you can use ||
Astrobytes: have you seen struct yet eulerscheZahl?
BenjaminUrquhart: struct is a social construct
BenjaminUrquhart: I'll see myself out
Zenoscave: more like a social con\1
Zenoscave: because struct is a capturing group
Zenoscave: I'll see myself out too
Astrobytes: lol, gotta love a regular expression
Astrobytes: (that was actually pretty decent)
Zenoscave: https://xkcd.com/1313/
Astrobytes: hahaha
jacek: beautiful https://i.imgur.com/V4ZDgQl.png
Astrobytes: Othello weights?
jacek: eeyup
Astrobytes: What happened to your Oware?
jacek: essentially its the same but made unlucky submit
Astrobytes: ah ok
Astrobytes: robo still has a strong lead regardless
MSmits: the NN's are all good. With so few games and RPS, it doesnt mean all that much
Astrobytes: robo's did seem a bit stronger tbh, your benchmarks prove otherwise no doubt ;)
MSmits: I can make a bot that beats any single one, sometimes two. Haven't tried to fit against jacek yet, but pretty sure thats possible too.
MSmits: his current one wrecks me
MSmits: Robo took a lot of time to win games against yeah, seemed harder than re curse
MSmits: however, i got to some local minima where re curse was a lot harder to beat also
RoboStac: have you tried at all against my current one?
MSmits: nope
Astrobytes: I think you'll find it stronger (just a hunch)
MSmits: I am running a meta mcts, i hope that will help at some point, but no idea if it will ever do anything
MSmits: yeah it might be stronger
MSmits: but with this crazy rps, who knows
MSmits: Robo did you try a CG bench against the other 3 NN's ?
MSmits: that would give good information I think
MSmits: re curse beat your previous version
RoboStac: yeah, it was doing much better than the submit actually did
MSmits: 50+ against all 3?
RoboStac: out of 100 games it'd lost 3
MSmits: wow
MSmits: this was against all 3 NNs ?
RoboStac: yeah
MSmits: hmm ok
MSmits: looking at your last battles I would say jaceks earlier submit was lucky
MSmits: and your bot seems much stronger
Astrobytes: Don't say I didn't warn ya
dbdr: RoboStac you went all in on clash :D
RoboStac: needed to complete my quests!
MSmits: btw Astrobytes, ST Nemesis is a crap movie, but picard is good
Astrobytes: MSmits yes, you just need the story from Nemesis to get the background (they ruined that movie so hard)
MSmits: yeah
Astrobytes: Picard series atones for it somewhat imo
Astrobytes: But still a terrible way to end the TNG era
MSmits: yeah
**MSmits agrees
jacek: well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6oUz1v17Uo
Astrobytes: Meh, all about 'shut up Wesley'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afhMMcAHlKw
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: Wait what's this quest map thing?
Astrobytes: Wait, what's with your username MCU
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: I'm not mcu anymore :D
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: I'm a new person
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: I am now E
Astrobytes: No, just MCU with lots of E
jacek: fire at will https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhsPHV-40Nw
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: oh
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: okay
Astrobytes: lol jacek
Astrobytes: MCU, click on the quest icons
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: just finished 22 quests
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: o.O
Astrobytes: Lots of clashy ones no doubt
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: yeah
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: I have to reach top 2% of bot programming...
Astrobytes: gj, levelled up?
MSmits: why top 2%?
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: yeah, once
MSmits: seems oddly specific?
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: msmits it's a quest
MSmits: really
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: yes
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: 7nth one down on the multis
Astrobytes: You've seen the new quest map right MSmits?
MSmits: nope
Astrobytes: click back to home
MSmits: whoa
MSmits: nice map
Astrobytes: Now click on shit until there's nothing else to click on
MSmits: imma clickin
MSmits: I'm AI passionate
Zenoscave: I finished the puzzle of the week! I enjoyed this one
Zenoscave: Cool just two quests left
Astrobytes: Only had a brief look at it, some optimal path thingy?
Zenoscave: Floyd warshall but a non-euclidean metric
Astrobytes: Gotcha
Zenoscave: there's a few aha's in it as well
Astrobytes: Looked interesting but a bit wordy
Zenoscave: The idea was given a graph with `m `points in a cartesian plane, and `s` freebie points. what is the largest distance between two points discountinting any edges from the `s` verties
Zenoscave: the `s` verties aren't specified which ones are 'free'
SandmanSW96: lol, I just wanna go on record and say, that bots golfing in clashes using python and ruby is a load of crap...
Zenoscave: SandmanSW96 why
Zenoscave: Nothing is stopping you from doing the same
Astrobytes: yeah I saw you had to find the optimal placement of those
SandmanSW96: I can see a human winning like that but using a longer winded language handicaps you against something that just spews the answer lol
Astrobytes: The bots use human solutions
SandmanSW96: still at least limit their golfing to javascript or something
Zenoscave: They only print solutions that past contestants have given on the same problem
Astrobytes: And the trick to golfing is using the right language for the job
SandmanSW96: yeah but thats a bad reason to learn a whole new language
Astrobytes: Same with all problems really. Right tool for the right job.
Zenoscave: So if they can beat you so could any (hypothetically) player
SandmanSW96: just to win a clash lol
Zenoscave: It isn't so much a reason as an incentive ;) think of it that way
Astrobytes: Is there ever a bad reason to learn another language?
SandmanSW96: then give that human who solved it the win lol
Zenoscave: I'd be top 5 then
Astrobytes: The bots are only in there when there aren't enough human competitors, don't sweat it
Zenoscave: Most shortest sols are easy to find
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: o.O imagine clashing
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: imma invite euler :D
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: NOOOOOOO third place
AntiSquid: that's a weird nickname
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: wdym weird =,=
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: u insulting my nickname?
AntiSquid: why not have something generic that doesn't stand out?
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: hmmm
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: idk
AntiSquid: weird as in very unusual, uncommon
Astrobytes: Like MostLongestE
AntiSquid: strange, peculiar
AntiSquid: odd
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: AntiSquid enough quoting the thesaurus
AntiSquid: 1 sec let me open up the thesaurus
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: oh lol you weren't
AntiSquid: i havn't opened it yet
Astrobytes: lol
AntiSquid: oh eerie, nice word, forgot about it
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: quaint
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: quirky
Astrobytes: eerie isn't really applicable in this context tbh
AntiSquid: don't really like some of the suggestions here:
https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/weird
AntiSquid: i mean "magical" wtf?
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: yeah you have a really eerie nickname
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: i think i missed another contest...
Astrobytes: They're context dependent
AntiSquid: i think elusive should be on there
Astrobytes: No
AntiSquid: horrific is on there
Astrobytes: Context again, though that stretches it a bit
Astrobytes: But elusive? No way
jacek: eerie? eeyup?
Astrobytes: giddyup
AntiSquid: well kinky is there too
AntiSquid: i mean seriously, a lot of the words don't make sense as synonyms
Astrobytes: They do in the appropriate context
AntiSquid: and you can try other words to you get WEIRD suggestions
AntiSquid: EEEEEEEEEEEEE : Antonyms for weird
boring
Astrobytes: Like if someone is into vanilla sex and someone is into kinky sex, the former may consider the latter as 'weird'
AntiSquid: you should consider it a compliment then
jacek: i prefer mint sex
Astrobytes: i.e. 'outside of the norm'
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: o.O take it to pms lol
jacek: pms eh?
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: not mine
Astrobytes: No I wasn't being explicit, just explaining
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: XD
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: ik ik astro
AntiSquid: dirty minds think alike
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: ;-;
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: I feel like that was an insult
AntiSquid: in what context? :p
AntiSquid: it wasn't meant as one though
Astrobytes: ;-; <= what is that anyway
AntiSquid: some evolved form of UwU is my guess
Insufficient: JBM's troll vs castles game is lit if any of you haven't tried it yet
Astrobytes: Probably yeah
Insufficient: the dots are the eyes and the dashes are the tears
Insufficient: sad face ;-;
Astrobytes: That's really pushing it tbh
AntiSquid: OpQ
AntiSquid: it's a face with nose hair and monocle
Astrobytes: ???
Three question marks
jacek: o<-<
JBM: So lit
AntiSquid: 3 eyed guy with funny hair Astrobytes
jacek: ?: elvis operator
Astrobytes: yep
AntiSquid: why elvis?
Astrobytes: The quiff
Astrobytes: It's your hair one on it's side essentially
Astrobytes: *its side
AntiSquid: i'll call it the yakuza operator https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/161496336621740036/
Astrobytes: lol
jacek: :horse:
Astrobytes: Did you see the Japanese police are trying to prevent the Yakuza from handing out Halloween sweets this year?
AntiSquid: no
AntiSquid: what's the background story?
EEEEEEEEEEEEE: ummmmm what did I refresh to?
AntiSquid: i've seen some news about china having their own digital currency though, quite interesting implications
Astrobytes: Preventing a turf war in Kobe
Astrobytes: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/17/japan-police-seek-to-stop-halloween-yakuza-handing-out-sweets-to-children
Astrobytes: Internal gang issues
AntiSquid: i see Kobe yakuza are as tender as their beef
Astrobytes: :D
JBM: Halloween yakuza
JBM: Like, there are other season's
Astrobytes: Sounds like a puzzle name you might come up with JBM :)
Astrobytes: Replete with complicated descriptions and language to forcibly educate euler ofc
Astrobytes: (I expect to see the above in the contributions section in the foreseeable :P )
Astrobytes: Anyway, out for tonight. gn/bn all
AntiSquid: gn
AntiSquid: so difficult to find a reverse clash ... :/
AntiSquid: 2 more to go
JBM: I've got a few puzzles in my queue who already have a name but no content
JBM: Or even topic, for some
JBM: The Halloween Yakuza can wait
AntiSquid: only getting fastest and shortest wtf
starmaq: shortest challenges be like: ruby
AntiSquid: Zenoscave loves clashes?
Zenoscave: ruby :)
AntiSquid: just trying to finish the clash path starmaq
AntiSquid: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
AntiSquid: i give up
AntiSquid: where's reverse?
Zenoscave: lol just did a reverse
Zenoscave: two in a row
Andy_F: im so lost with this reverse lol
Zenoscave: It took a second to figure out for me too
Zenoscave: It would have been easier if it was in numbers
Zenoscave: Is there a good tron floodfill?
SaadAhmed1: hi
