Zenoscave: a few tiems
Zenoscave: times
ZarthaxX: hi zeno
Zenoscave: hi zarth
ZarthaxX: struggling?
Zenoscave: Yeah
ZarthaxX: yeah you wont get it
Zenoscave: maybe
ZarthaxX: remember what i said in the morning?
ZarthaxX: its impossible
Zenoscave: nope
ZarthaxX: these gates are clsoed
ZarthaxX: like super closed
ZarthaxX: im kidding
Zenoscave: 4 people got through today
ZarthaxX: buttt its hard
Zenoscave: ;)
ZarthaxX: i know
ZarthaxX: and i will go through your m... ohhh
ZarthaxX: server is ded?
Zenoscave: no?
ZarthaxX: imean
ZarthaxX: submits
ZarthaxX: are ded?
Zenoscave: like no one is submitting?
ZarthaxX: no
ZarthaxX: submit freezes?
Zenoscave: not that i see
Zenoscave: I have done 6 matches since you asked first
ZarthaxX: a friend submitted and he is like frozen
ZarthaxX: this is starting to scare me tho
Zenoscave: interesting
Zenoscave: what league?
ZarthaxX: he ended 80th with same code that ended 5th
ZarthaxX: gold
Zenoscave: huh
Zenoscave: praise RNGesus
ZarthaxX: that randomness is scary
ZarthaxX: right? lol
ZarthaxX: i dont know why i neded where i am
ZarthaxX: my code is trash
ZarthaxX: anyyyyyway
ZarthaxX: keep it up
Zenoscave: thx
ZarthaxX: hey u beated me
ZarthaxX: :(/
Zenoscave: ;)
Zenoscave: I need to improve my torpedo accuracy
ZarthaxX: right
ZarthaxX: did u disable mines like eul told us
ZarthaxX: euler
ZarthaxX: because i did and it sucks
Zenoscave: yeah i tried. it did not work for me
ZarthaxX: im gonna demand like sharktoad
ZarthaxX: that*
ZarthaxX: stop smacking me zeno
ZarthaxX: sheez
eulerscheZahl: good morning
ZarthaxX: my shark
ZarthaxX: turning off mine avoidance doesnt help
ZarthaxX: :)
eulerscheZahl: not much longer, soon the toad will be back
ZarthaxX: FINALLY
eulerscheZahl: i read that
ZarthaxX: i miss the toa
ZarthaxX: d
ZarthaxX: how can i get legend toad
eulerscheZahl: i missed your polar bear when you changed it
ZarthaxX: im bottom gold
ZarthaxX: yeah ik, u always miss it
eulerscheZahl: #20 = bottom gold?
ZarthaxX: its a matter of perspective
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/449965145
collecting mines?
ZarthaxX: i was kidding tho didnt want you to help me lol
ZarthaxX: lemme check
ZarthaxX: also are submits wonky for you?
ZarthaxX: slow i mean
eulerscheZahl: haven't submitted in a while
eulerscheZahl: soon offline: turn private PC off, company PC on
ZarthaxX: ah ok lol
eulerscheZahl: still feels weird to work from home
ZarthaxX: studying from home is the best
ZarthaxX: already at home when clas finishes
ZarthaxX: the replay u showed btw, i got a problem with mines like
ZarthaxX: it doesnt make sense to avoid them at beginnign coz they are everywhere
eulerscheZahl: i even did some biking trips to get outside and train my body a bit
ZarthaxX: but after it does make sense bcause u almost know
eulerscheZahl: that's desperation :(
ZarthaxX: weird to model that
ZarthaxX: mhmm u went outside?
ZarthaxX: thought u couldnt
eulerscheZahl: i can, just not in groups
ZarthaxX: i just can do some home workout
ZarthaxX: ah i see
tekki: hi all
tekki: how's your contest?
tekki: seems good
ZarthaxX: gud contest
tekki: gud?
tekki: AutomatonNN?
AutomatonNN: I don't know what that is
kovi: what is up with queue? got slowerd to 5minutes per game
tekki: don't know kovi
ZarthaxX: af friend said its ded
tekki: AutomatonNN explanation please
AutomatonNN: what do you mean by the same as the winner?
kovi: ah, not the queue, leaderboards were not refreshed for 10+ minutes
tekki: can't tell, CG here?
Zenoscave: They're going slightly faster than that in gold
Zenoscave: still slow though
Zenoscave: 80% of my losses are to the same player
tekki: no lucky my friend :)
tekki: AUtomatonNN ban him please :)
AutomatonNN: have you tried to use it and see if i can see that it will be a problem with the same code in the sa
Zenoscave: I fixed the bug though. I rarely lose to anyone else
dbdr: kovi matches do look slow to me
dbdr: what's your submit # now by the way? :)
kovi: 600
dbdr: 191
Sepehr.khashei: :santa:
dbdr: level keeps rising it seems
dbdr: unsurprisingly :)
AntiSquid: leaderboard update now completely frozen when submitting ugh ?
kovi: yes :(
idkhow2codee: hi, is it possible to connect codin game to some external code editor?
Boulet: yep
Boulet: look at the FAQ
idkhow2codee: k thanks
Boulet: chromium plugin
Nerchio: servers are slow since a couple of hours already
gaha: I have big problem with timeouts, but CG is not showing me my std.err from turn where I had timeout. This would help me debug it, because I don't know where it happens, do you know a way to see it?
Nerchio: put prints in delicate spots and see what prints last
RMuskovets: or put prints on every line of your code)
gaha: printing is giving orders though
RMuskovets: print("line", 15, file=sys.stderr)
RMuskovets: cerr << "line" << 15 << endl
RMuskovets: fprintf(stderr, "line %d\n", 15)
gaha: Okay then, I do this. And there's a problem, because CG is not showing any logs at all from turn where I had the timeout
gaha: It shows everything from turns that finished though
RMuskovets: then, your last turn timeouts on the first line maybe
gaha: Good guess, but it's not the case :(
dbdr: gaha there is nothing to show, if you timeout before printing anything to stderr
gaha: I don't think it's the case, but I'll print something at the very beginning just to see :)
dbdr: yes that's a good idea
gaha: Oh my god, you're right guys, it does print everything before the timeout
RMuskovets: after making multi-step dfs for my bot many others look so dumb to me
gaha: I here I am, wasting the whole day instead of checking it
Nerchio: rmuskovets like with silence jump?
marshadow9: hello
RMuskovets: Nerchio no, not now :)
gaha: what is multi-step dfs though
gaha: whats the modification?
RMuskovets: getting the last path and when it ends creating a new one ;)
gaha: Right, so not wasting compute
RMuskovets: and a turn with it is only 20ms
RMuskovets: including checking torpedo positions
gaha: in DFS you have some FILO you're considering is still valid?
gaha: I mean how are you considering
RMuskovets: i try every possible path to get longest
gaha: I imagine you can have path on your queue that are not valid anymore, I mean you've already moved PAST them in the actual game
gaha: Isn't it right?
RMuskovets: I don't have a "queue" of all paths. Just when my current path ends, I do SURFACE and create a new one.
gaha: Ah, okay
gaha: Well, so you don't modify the "choosen path" during MOVE'ing, but only after the SURFACE
RMuskovets: Yeah
gaha: I am modyfing it during MOVE'ing as well, but it was a bit of a pain to implement
RMuskovets: The best thing with DFS is that the bot never gets stuck between islands
gaha: And immediately you get a pretty long path
gaha: In my case it works better to mix BFS and DFS
gaha: solutions are longer
Nerchio: how do you combine that?
gaha: I have a queue, not recursive implementation
gaha: You can pop from the beginning or from the end
RMuskovets: When I was trying recursive, my bot just was timing out - not very good
RMuskovets: Queue is far betetr
RMuskovets: Better*
Nerchio: didn't expect it to timeout on a 225 grid
wlesavo: probably you didnt manage recursion right
gaha: Oh man, count how many different paths there are
gaha: It's impossible to calculate all of them
gaha: It WILL timeout
qwerio: Can i change the difficulty of the problems i a private Clash Of Code?
RMuskovets: Nerchio I did recursion for each of 4 neighbors
RMuskovets: That was simply a forever recursion loop
gaha: About the Sync, did anyone made it work in other Chromium browser than Chrome?
AntiSquid: how to do mine avoidance with 5 mil paths?
Nerchio: how do you kill something that you can't see?
fluxtransistor: asking for a friend?
gaha: Well, it looks like I have timeouts on those lines
gaha: sonar_result = input()
op_orders = input()
gaha: Any idea why would it be? :/
fluxtransistor: Exactly the same problem here.]
fluxtransistor: Giving me headaches for two days now.
fluxtransistor: I have decided to rewrite my python code in C because of it
fluxtransistor: ...first C program yay
gaha: I suppose CG will send you ERR messages only when next input() happens
fluxtransistor: I have a timer from the start of my code and if I print the value to stderr before the print call it is about 4 ms
fluxtransistor: * input call, not print call
gaha: Yeah, same, I suggest the timeout really happens after those input()
fluxtransistor: But after the input call it doesn't print at all
gaha: but you get logs only from before it
fluxtransistor: Yes
fluxtransistor: It must be a bug on their end
gaha: I need those logs though :/
fluxtransistor: I need my code to work, not just the logs ;)
RMuskovets: Wow, got from 588th to 227th place in leaderboard :) Today's a productive day for me)
wlesavo: pb4 switched to python? :grinning:
pb4: deterministic opponent
pb4: I've seen things I don't like on a replay
pb4: but the opponent was not deterministic
pb4: I push a but that plays the same sequence of actions over and over
wlesavo: lol
pb4: though I can switch my main bot to python if you want :innocent:
wlesavo: no thx, there is enoygh competition already :slight_smile:
Uljahn: btw in python you could use flush=True for your debug printing, it'll dump your logs before the timeout
gaha: Thanks, let's see
RMuskovets: pb4 What'd be the difference? If the algorithm is the same the bot's behavior will be the same... Except the Python
RMuskovets: 's low speed
pb4: no interest at all
gaha: flushing works, thanks A LOT
Uljahn: yw
fluxtransistor: oh god thank you for this
marshadow9: ho
marshadow9: how do i win the mars lander level 1?
RMuskovets: marshadow9 afaik you should turn on the engine when vertical speed > 40 m/s
Scarfield: marshadow9 if your vertical speed downwards exceeds 40 m/s you will crash. You need engine power of 4 to overcome the acceleration from gravity (-3.711m/s^2 iirc) and slow down
aaronshenhao: Sounds like an interesting optimization + physics problem
idkhow2codee: hi, c++ question - why I can't skip game output(std::cin) by using std::cin.get()?
aaronshenhao: How to further golf this code: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/58d72c62-5145-458f-ae70-757d1bceb88a
aaronshenhao: Someone did it in 2 less characters!
aaronshenhao: Also in Python3
Scarfield: a=n-x
f=lambda x:print("."*(a)+"*"*(x*2+1)+"."*(a))
Scarfield: 1 shorter at least :p, never been interested in gold though :p
Scarfield: golf *
aaronshenhao: Think still the same, since \n counts as 1 character
RMuskovets: f=lambda x:print("."*a+"*"*(x*2+1)+"."*a)
aaronshenhao: Ah that would work
aaronshenhao: That would cut it down by 4
aaronshenhao: They probably used recursion with def
aaronshenhao: Semi-recursive lambda is pretty cool:
a = lambda x: 0 if x == 0 else 1 if x == 1 else a(x-1) + a(x-2)
RMuskovets: is it fibonacci?
RMuskovets: aaronshenhao
aaronshenhao: Yes it is
aaronshenhao: Fibonacci of nth number I think
aaronshenhao: nth Fibonacci number*
Santyx_Orrer: will the competition go on after the contest has ended?
aCat: yes
aCat: the game will go as multi
RoboStac: aaronshenhao - if you make f an actual function instead of lambda it's two characters less (def f(x): vs f=lambda x:)
aaronshenhao: Oh yea, that's true. Should only use lambda when returning.
RoboStac: you can also do "[*map(f,range(n))]" instead of your for loop
aaronshenhao: O_O
aaronshenhao: I also learnt today that apparently [*aList] is faster than aList.copy()
AntiSquid: TOP 20, the dream is closer :')
AntiSquid: maybe i should actually add mine avoidance? :thinking:
DanTheMan832: Any tips for tracking opponent when they use silence? I get close to locating them then their possible positions gets really large again?
Nerchio: just neeeds time to track them down
RMuskovets: what's the general "idea" of tracking enemy?
AntiSquid: of course e need a puzzle of the week
fluxtransistor: wait so you have dfs, bfs and all but don't track your enemy?
AntiSquid: dfs is much easier lol
fluxtransistor: I haven't implemented it yet, but my bfs works really well
sashaboulouds: Hello guys
sashaboulouds: Does it exist group coding games
sashaboulouds: Between teams?
Uljahn: use sonar and mine triggering to narrow his positions down
Uljahn: oops frozen chat
sashaboulouds: Guys
sashaboulouds: what are u talking about?
fluxtransistor: The 'ocean of code cah
fluxtransistor: challenge
sashaboulouds: wtf is that??
sashaboulouds: :innocent:
RMuskovets: fluxtransistor yes, i have dfs but still don't track enemy)
fluxtransistor: ok lol
RMuskovets: and i guess silence will be a headache
fluxtransistor: I guess
fluxtransistor: What league are you in?
RMuskovets: wood-1
RMuskovets: i thought about getting all possible locations for the opponent
RMuskovets: e.g. if they moved north they couldn't be at the topmost row
fluxtransistor: The way i do it is I have a list of possible starting positions and just eliminate them by simulating the move history
fluxtransistor: But yeah that's it in a nutshell
wlesavo: pb4 i liked your python bot more
wlesavo: this one is mean to me
RMuskovets: fluxtransistor i'm gonna try that, thanks)
pb4: :D
RMuskovets: i need a opponent that doesn't use silence
RMuskovets: with boss my tracking algorithm goes "mad" - 0 possible enemy locations
Illedan: Just nerf your own bot and submit it.
RMuskovets: does silence have the same range as torpedo?
RavenKZP: from 0 to 4
RMuskovets: yeah, like torpedo
RMuskovets: before silence: 46 unique guesses
after silence: 1886 unique guesses
RMuskovets: wow, i managed to track myself well) only 2 guesses
NormantasStankevicius: but
NormantasStankevicius: doesn't silence only go x or y axis?
NormantasStankevicius: no Diagonal?
RMuskovets: yea, no diagonal
RMuskovets: more chances to track enemy out
NormantasStankevicius: do you try to track
NormantasStankevicius: where he was?
RMuskovets: yes
RMuskovets: and silence is not THAT bad
NormantasStankevicius: how do you track where he was?
RMuskovets: > The way i do it is I have a list of possible starting positions and just eliminate them by simulating the move history
NormantasStankevicius: after silence
NormantasStankevicius: yeah, most of us do that
NormantasStankevicius: but like after silence
fluxtransistor: Haha just quoting me lol
RMuskovets: just add every possible position after using silence
NormantasStankevicius: cause I am thinking of implementing proper silence tracking just thinking how to optimize
RMuskovets: premature optimization is bad
NormantasStankevicius: ahh well
RMuskovets: optimize only when needed AND possible
NormantasStankevicius: I'll need to do that
NormantasStankevicius: cause it seems
NormantasStankevicius: at least in silver 200ranks
tomatoes: why 46 to 1886? should be 46*17=782 maximum
NormantasStankevicius: it's better to do no guessing than just placing him anywhere on the map?
RMuskovets: i was thinking diagonal too
RMuskovets: wow
RMuskovets: before move: 3645
after move: 148
RMuskovets: before silence: 58
after: 4698...
RMuskovets: that's not possible
RMuskovets: 225*17 = 3825, not filtering unique
RMuskovets: why can a print (python3) not execute?
fluxtransistor: try adding flush=True
RMuskovets: like, i have two prints that should write a big-ass list to stderr each and only first one executes
RMuskovets: fluxtransistor i already have flush there
RMuskovets: and no timeout
RoboStac: are you getting ...'s at the end? CG have limits on how much debug they send you
RMuskovets: yes, i have ...
RoboStac: yeah, that means you tried to send too much debug and it's been trimmed
RMuskovets: How does a player move up in the leaderboard?
wlesavo: MOVE N
fluxtransistor: ctrl a --> del --> submit
RMuskovets: wlesavo :joy:
RMuskovets: I was serious)
fluxtransistor: Submit and hope
fluxtransistor: It will automatically battle
RMuskovets: I know, but if I win in almost all battles and get lower, what's the reason?
fluxtransistor: Maybe you won more battles before?
RMuskovets: E.g. i won in ~70% of my battles but from 219th place got to 234th
RMuskovets: I need to improve my tracking
RMuskovets: Even though I mostly win, my tracking is not perfect
wlesavo: if you want real improvemnt add SILENCE N 0, thats not even a joke
RMuskovets: I don't understand...
fluxtransistor: Is it because it confuses 'strategic' bots?
fluxtransistor: As in they don't expect it?
wlesavo: charge silence and use it for 0
wlesavo: no its because its hard to screw up with this
Kiat: why this silence N 0 is a valid command and show up?
wlesavo: its valid by rules
gaha: there are players that assume you're doing SILENCE 0 and this is funny
wlesavo: add one silence 3 in early turns and they will timeout
wlesavo: whole silence tactics on a plate
kovi: how do you know? :)
gaha: so this is what you do in Legend League
wlesavo: kovi :smiley:
wlesavo: gaha whis is what kovi did for quite a while, not sure if he still does that
RoboStac: gaha - I only ever do silence 0 (due to lazyness) and it's enough to get to legend so there can't be that many that do that
fluxtransistor: Does the scoring count your life at the end of the game?
RoboStac: no, just win/loss/draw
fluxtransistor: Good - my torpedo bot is slightly self-harming
E_pur_si_muove: SILENCE 0, or SILENCE x: does it make a difference? I guess no.
E_pur_si_muove: it's just easier to "calculate" SILENCE 0.
wlesavo: if you estimate badly you can end up in worse position, so thats the difference, also saving space for movement
kovi: with slow refresh and multiple submits i lost track again what helps and what isnt
AntiSquid: i don't like this either, but this is like halite
Nerchio: what is it like
RavenKZP: AntiSquid do you sleep sometimes? or at all? :D
Illedan: RoboStac, Silence 0 is enough for the top too :P (except for the final kill though)
RoboStac: yeah, I've not got any final kill code yet
AntiSquid: i work from home and i am bored so i drop a line in chat whenever RavenKZP
boura0013: Hello everyone
boura0013: I like this
boura0013: Just started using
boura0013: any tips?
RavenKZP: So do I
boura0013: hullo peeps
JanisSerzants: Can I minimize sonar, torpedo and silance cooldown in one turn?
boura0013: i dont know
gaha: You can choose one ability to charge
JanisSerzants: One ability per turn?
gaha: Well, actually one ability per MOVE command
JanisSerzants: :fearful:
JanisSerzants: So what do you think, whats is more important, sonar, torpedo or silance?
Im not sure I want to attack, so I think silance
AntiSquid: silicone *
gaha: I don't think silence is for attack
JanisSerzants: That is what I said, i'm a defence guy, I think I will stick with silance
gaha: most of the times you use it to hide
gaha: Oh, yeah, sorry
gaha: misread
gaha: you usually want to have your torpedo charged though
boura0013: hope that you suceed in whatever you are doing
boura0013: and i am NOT a bot
JanisSerzants: Thanks! Hope you will do great as well!
boura0013: Yeah i am doing one of the easier puzzles
boura0013: i am suceeding
boura0013: :)
JanisSerzants: Well my plan is to get as long water road as possible and move forward and backward, that got me out from wood 2
JanisSerzants: Now on wood2 I need to run if possible, and fire from the back
JanisSerzants: gaha, I can move with silance in a straight line only?
gaha: Yes
gaha: people often do silence 0, since you don't need to write much code to do this
JanisSerzants: what does silance 0 does?
gaha: does nothing, but you enemy does not know what silence you did
gaha: so if he wants to keep track of your position, he needs to assume you might have done something
JanisSerzants: hmm, well I should try it as well, are you doing it?
Uljahn: im doing silence 1 with the same logic as move
gaha: I did, but I am doing longer ones now as well
boura0013: hello
boura0013: wish you luck in your activities
boura0013: and hopes and dreams of course
JanisSerzants: can i do silance and shoot torpedo in same time?
Nerchio: yes
69razer69: gogo go
vincent-vdb: does someone know how to get the final 'input()' (my_life, opp_life...) after the game over?
dbdr: you can't
aaronshenhao: haxx
Astrobytes: Submits broken?
dbdr: very slow
vincent-vdb: thanks, then anyone managed to use reinforcement learning without the final outcome?
Astrobytes: Oh I see on the discord
gaha: you could do ML if you downloaded game in java
RMuskovets: https://github.com/CodingGameCommunity/
from here?
gaha: y
RMuskovets: a mistake, https://github.com/CodinGameCommunity/
gaha: https://github.com/CodinGameCommunity/ocean-of-code
Uljahn: using RL means you play the game offline and then upload the weights of the model trying to fit in 100k IDE limit
vincent-vdb: thanks gaha, I'm not used to java though and I don't manage to do more than the README example! But I will keep trying
gaha: so I didn't do it myself, but installing requirements and running the game is not that hard
gaha: later I imagine you want to print your data to a file instead of error stream
JanisSerzants: gaha, how can I use only silance, just typing SILANCE 0 is crashing
gaha: you can use those files to learn
gaha: SILENCE S 0
gaha: you need to pass direction
gaha: any direction
RMuskovets: any from N,W,S,E
vincent-vdb: Thanks Uljahn, indeed 100k is quite small for a model... probably not a good idea
aaronshenhao: Captcha is sabotaging me
https://imgur.com/w86y25Q
aaronshenhao: :P
JanisSerzants: SILANCE E 0 killed me
gaha: well, i don't know what SILANCE is
JanisSerzants: MOVE SILANCE E 0 as well
gaha: SILENCE E 0 should work
JanisSerzants: :P
RMuskovets: aaronshenhao there is captcha?
JanisSerzants: Greates weakness of developer is typo
aaronshenhao: I keep getting catchas lol RMuskovets
Uljahn: RMuskovets: in Clashes yes
RMuskovets: wow, didn't see that before
Uljahn: you should play a lot of CoCs to see it
RMuskovets: a lot of CoCs = not that much of OoC that's more interesting for me
RMuskovets: i meant, OoC is more interesting that CoC
ZarthaxX: dbdr Astrobytes submits slow still?
Astrobytes: yeah ZarthaxX
ZarthaxX: wow they were like that 12 hours ago
aaronshenhao: What's OoC
ZarthaxX: ocean of code
ZarthaxX: current contet
ZarthaxX: contest
aaronshenhao: I only play clash lol, so idk
ZarthaxX: ah ok :P
abuntuu: hi
ZarthaxX: hai
DanTheMan832: I'm better than the boss but I haven't been promoted??
RoboStac: you have to wait for your matches to reach 100%
DanTheMan832: oh ok
wlesavo: wanted to relax a bit, so went to play some tron, got to legend with 200 lines without even implementing any minimax type algo, basicaly one heuristic and estimation of voronoi diagram on depth 1, without considering any of opponent actions, is it supposed to be that easy?
dbdr: wlesavo I think you have great intuition for heuristics :)
wlesavo: hm
dbdr: as you proved in OOC
ZarthaxX: how did u do that
ZarthaxX: fucking beast D:
nicknobody: language!!!
wlesavo: well it is my second legend, conting ooc for the first, i guess i will try to find some more heuristics in another games :slight_smile:
wlesavo: ZarthaxX well heuristic was to stick to my body or map edges when im isolated, basically thats it
ZarthaxX: mhmm
ZarthaxX: impressive, super simple
ZarthaxX: any tips on how you work out your heuristics?
ZarthaxX: im weak on that aspect
nicknobody: can some one help me with ocean od code
wlesavo: i dunno, most of that seems just to be a general sence
ZarthaxX: mmhm i see
ZarthaxX: can i give an example with a replay of ooc
TheDoubleLlama_6c58: hello guys
wlesavo: sure
TheDoubleLlama_6c58: is there a requirement here to make the lowest number of steps possible?
ZarthaxX: like in this case https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/450123549
ZarthaxX: frame 143 and forward
ZarthaxX: if you were to abnalyze that
ZarthaxX: would u say main error was to reveal on shot?
ZarthaxX: or the error may have come from before
ZarthaxX: due to the pathing
ZarthaxX: i find it hard in games to see sometimes where the main problemis
ZarthaxX: to adjust the heuristics of a shot in this case
ZarthaxX: so many corner cases
Skril: Hi, you might have not used silence on frame 132
Did not improve your visibility
Could have been used right after torpedo shot
wlesavo: i guess tough luck, but there is definetely one thing wrong with this replay, not charging torpedo after shooting
wlesavo: also that, yes
ZarthaxX: Skril right, im checking now to improve the silence heuristic, ty
ZarthaxX: thanks wlesavo appreciated
wlesavo: Skril nice sub btw
Skril: thanks :)
ZarthaxX: you were gold couple days ago right Skril? great improvement past days
Skril: some tiny improvements (like this silence thing) had great impact :-)
ZarthaxX: oh for real?
ZarthaxX: nice them, gives me hope
ZarthaxX: great work dude
ZarthaxX: then*
Skril: thanks :-)
good luck !
ZarthaxX: ty
struct: Were you at the top before Skril?
struct: I cant recall
wlesavo: i think in silver he was
Skril: reached temporarily #5 in silver if I remember right
ZarthaxX: submits are still wonky right?
pb4: "
some tiny improvements (like this silence thing) had great impact :-)"
pb4: tell me more ^^
Arshu_Offl: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/11875900c5b4fe02b1e63eb0975a52963c6356f
wlesavo: i kinda stoped with tiny improovements cause they didnt seemed to give much impact, but probably i should come back
wlesavo: damn, my enemy detection has twice the length of the full tron code
ZarthaxX: lol
gaha: yeah, how many code lines do you have?
Skril: pb4 : mostly improvements on mine over-avoidance and compact pathing ;-)
wlesavo: tryed to do smth like that if i understand correctly
darkhorse64: wlesavo: i think we have the same tron bot. Other multis are much much harder
wlesavo: darkhorse64 yeah, just was surprised by that
kovi: top is getting packed more and more, no clear top3 any more
MadKnight: sure thing helloi
MadKnight: responded to an old message
NormantasStankevicius: Question guys, how do you optimize
darkhorse64: Contests also are getting much and much harder
NormantasStankevicius: the insane amount of predictions of the enemy after silence?
darkhorse64: We pray and hope for the best ?
NormantasStankevicius: so if someone spams silence
NormantasStankevicius: god has not answered your prayers, huh?
darkhorse64: Sort of
NormantasStankevicius: let me guess
NormantasStankevicius: you have a ductape fix for that xd??
darkhorse64: Silence spamming is effective when there are very few islands. Otherwise, after a few moves, tracking reduces drastically your choices
NormantasStankevicius: thanks for the idea ;)
Uljahn: also you can use sonar and trigger mines to further reduce enemy positions
nicknobody: you guys love gaming
aaronshenhao: How does this even work:
f=lambda n:n and n/5+f(n/5)
pb4: kovi : agreed onthe very packed leaderboard
pb4: also below the top 5, people are getting closer and closer
pb4: It's really hard to climb now :/
NormantasStankevicius: hmmm
NormantasStankevicius: Seems like I won't leave silver
NormantasStankevicius: without silence counter
NormantasStankevicius: well
NormantasStankevicius: let's go
aaronshenhao: Nvm I get it now, it's python2 that's why
wlesavo: works in python 3.8 also
wlesavo: but returns n/4, duuno what it is supposed to do
aaronshenhao: Should be int I thought
wlesavo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/f57e224b-b86e-4c20-ae5d-09ca6d2bc731
JFB: Funny thing on leaderboard - nus_miz is first in Gold - and last in Legend (simultanously) :-)
idkhow2codee: I don't know what's the purpose of MSG command but I have an idea for example I would type some fake commands so if enemy's bot doesn't handle MSG command properly then it would be gg
icecream17: nah, just for debug. enemy doesn't get your messages
wlesavo: enemy bot does not get the msg command
JFB: MSG is for display something on the screen
idkhow2codee: haha k
idkhow2codee: what a shame
icecream17: what if there was a seperate thing, called "enemy message"? then cooperating people could tie...
icecream17: aw but some people would cheat the system.. hmm
idkhow2codee: hmm
Nerchio: i mean if you tried hard you could do it anyway
icecream17: could we do it without msg? like, up up left left down down or something?
RavenKZP: Thats for what are MSG messages: :D
https://www.codingame.com/replay/450145961
https://www.codingame.com/replay/450167808
icecream17: =O Raven you are genuis
RavenKZP: all my bots use them in taht way :D
Nerchio: damn it's hard to test when submit goes so slow
wlesavo: icecream17 in #ru we just disscussed that such thing could be used to promote bots in legend, through spam submiting and thats why the servers are so laggy today, but that is sounds more like conspiracy theory
ZarthaxX: dont test :P
icecream17: well, i'm stuck in silver. (20 days or so)
icecream17: aw... i didn't get to see the whole lyrics
RavenKZP: https://www.codingame.com/replay/443284375 - CRYSTAL RUSH
https://www.codingame.com/replay/433709691 - ICE AND FIRE
AntiSquid: lol lagging server to prevent legend promotion :D
AntiSquid: CG servers are always in bad shape unfortunately
Nerchio: " Issue was with the DB, it should be better now (or soon, the time that all waiting games get played)"
ZarthaxX: where did u get thqat from
struct: discord
Nerchio: ^
ZarthaxX: ah i saw it ty
ZarthaxX: y
Nerchio: I will wait till its faster otherwise i can't test my bot properly
Riyuk: That's why it's worth it to have a local arena :/
Nerchio: we can download from github maybe i will try to set it up
JFB: Made local arena is not difficult (you can use githab as start point, maybe use brutaltester from github too) - but local arena has disadvantage that you can play only with your bots. Or maybe, if you gently ask siman, he will send you his bot - for test purpose only of course ;-)
Nerchio: lol :p
AntiSquid: you just download the game and edit the main file into some local arena manager which takes whatever bots you want and plays them against each other in whatever way you want
Riyuk: Lol :D Against an old bot is fine enough to see the changes!
AntiSquid: Zenoscave so close
jules1: anybody have any advice for coders strike back
AntiSquid: yes, quit it and play contest instead
Nerchio: haha come on :P
jules1: lol
Nerchio: if i played that i would give you some advice :D
jules1: lol is there any bot programming challenge thats fun that i should try
jules1: contest?
AntiSquid: yes
Nerchio: depends what you consider fun haha
AntiSquid: well these people in chat keep saying the contest is fun, so try it
AntiSquid: if you ask me for a fun multi i will recommend you something else
AntiSquid: but not CSB
jules1: ok whats a fun multi :P
DanTheMan832: What does MSG do
AntiSquid: nothing
AntiSquid: what type of games do you like jules?
Nerchio: MSG prints a message below your portrait in the game
jules1: i like something simple to pick up on, like not overly complicated at the outset
AntiSquid: CSB gets complicated later on
jules1: yeah and im all good with that
jules1: so long as its not too complicated at the very beginning :)
AntiSquid: ah
AntiSquid: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/botters-of-the-galaxy
AntiSquid: very simple
AntiSquid: to start off with
jules1: ok ill give that a try! thank you :)
Nerchio: damn i missed so many fun games over the years :p
RavenKZP: CSB?
RavenKZP: oh ctrike back
AntiSquid: Common Serial Bus, far inferior to USB
RavenKZP: for me 10/10 one of the best
Zenoscave: BotG is best game
AntiSquid: thanks
Zenoscave: it says so in the opening
AntiSquid: if you would make a game what would you do Zenoscave?
Zenoscave: not sure. probably something math based
Nerchio: i like ocean of code best but its the only one i played
AntiSquid: they all require math afaik
Zenoscave: I mean truly math based like crypto math
Nerchio: ameler first in gold
Nerchio: new legend incoming?
Zenoscave: probably
Nerchio: you just beat me zenos
Zenoscave: I see ;)
Zenoscave: you just beat me
ameler: I hope !!!!
Nerchio: but this commit has a bug in killer moves
ameler: :)
Nerchio: they don't trigger
AntiSquid: there's a chance you end up 2nd though and then get dropped, happened to me twice in a past contest
ameler: yes :/
Nerchio: no chance
Nerchio: ameler goes legend
ZarthaxX: *fails in the end*
Zenoscave: still a chance his score isn't high enough yet
ZarthaxX: its not updating zeno lol
AntiSquid: 0.24
Nerchio: matches are getting played faster and faster
Nerchio: finally
AntiSquid: ah higher diff now
Zenoscave: probably going through now
Nerchio: so i have a question
ZarthaxX: gz :)
Zenoscave: We have answers
Nerchio: how do i avoid losses where i walk on a minefield before seeing the enemy
Nerchio: seems luckbased
Zenoscave: don't walk on the minefield
ZarthaxX: dont walk into it
Zenoscave: :+1:
Nerchio: damn
ZarthaxX: oh zeno you :*
AntiSquid: lol
Nerchio: i haven't thought of that
ZarthaxX: lmao
AntiSquid: very helpful haha
ZarthaxX: but its true
Zenoscave: surface and reverse
AntiSquid: or silence near mines
NormantasStankevicius: xd
NormantasStankevicius: silence dash to enemy
NormantasStankevicius: AND FIRE
AntiSquid: they detonate that shit because they are too eager
Nerchio: the funniest thing was when i submited with silence broken
Nerchio: didnt use it at all
Nerchio: and still was top150 gold lol
ZarthaxX: top150 is not much anyway
Zenoscave: that is barely top half
Nerchio: damn you both are so brutal
Nerchio: you know how to put man down
Zenoscave: Thanks
ZarthaxX: looooooooooooool
AntiSquid: bots keep improving, top 150 will be top 250 in few days
AntiSquid: but Nerchio it's true
AntiSquid: if you were here back when contest started you'd notice some from the initial top whatever you want to call top are now in silver or low gold
Nerchio: also funny is that i use flood fill for movement but it looks the same as people with dfs
AntiSquid: uhm
Nerchio: I didn't realise before yesterday that this even is already like a month
Zenoscave: very few cases will they differ
Nerchio: i saw people that submited on 6th or something and was like "wow they wrote the bot in 5 hours and are top gold" ;p
Nerchio: but the battles had been going for quite a while
icecream17: 5 hours? wow
idkhow2codee: can I move in the same turn when I surface?
Nerchio: yes
idkhow2codee: ty
Nerchio: so zenos
Zenoscave: yes
Nerchio: what happened between your 2nd place and 36 now
eulerscheZahl: when legend?
Zenoscave: new submit. testing things
eulerscheZahl: do you have the killer feature now?
Zenoscave: I do
ZarthaxX: he is not gonna make it
ZarthaxX: the feature that inclues not knowing the position?
Zenoscave: I lose dog fights too much
eulerscheZahl: it's tradition for him to stay in gold?
ZarthaxX: dog fights?
ZarthaxX: yeah he liked the gold color
Zenoscave: close combat
ZarthaxX: ah ye hate those
ZarthaxX: maybe the solution is to avoid them
eulerscheZahl: yeah, in some cases it's possible to enforce a win without knowing the exact location of the opponent
Zenoscave: i don't think my code is set up for that yet
ZarthaxX: i remember
ZarthaxX: clever thinking toad
eulerscheZahl: but now i lost all my motivation
eulerscheZahl: did better in the last marathon, ignoring the first half entirely
rwilson: eulerscheZahl quick question - did your stats gathering learn anything interesting about the map layouts? a couple folks posted seeds where there were isolated 'ponds' of water... kinda curious if it's just rare? or insanely rare...
jules1: can anyone here answer a question about botters of the galaxy?
Nerchio: i had a seed that was split map with bot like 80 squares and no way to reach another
Zenoscave: Anti can answer about BotG
icecream17: current pos variables: currx and....
jules1: im just wondering how i know what items i can buy.. i dont see that info anywhere in the rules, and maybe its just that the javascript starter code doesnt make it obvious or even doesnt do something right, but i dont see how i figure that out
icecream17: in Ocean of code??
Zenoscave: no icecream17
rwilson: ;) the first i saw was a TINY little pond & both bots chose to live in it... i'm sure anyone doing random start point will eventually land in a bad isolated pond & get surfaced to death
Zenoscave: AntiSquid
Zenoscave: BotG question ^
icecream17: oh oops i wasn't listening sorry
jules1: no problem :P
jules1: although if anybody out there can answer this broader question, thatd be great: is the starter code on these games not supposed to be changed?
jules1: or does it frequently need to be changed
jules1: (depending on the language)
Zenoscave: frequently needs change
jules1: ok lol good to know!
Zenoscave: Starter code only doesn't crash. never intended to do well
icecream17: I need an autochange bot for starting things....
rwilson: changed ... but usually gets you to the first input .. but not always enough to get even 1 turn done right.
jules1: ah interesting
rwilson: jules1 the rules section on Botters should have the items info in the Game Input section ( though, it does not list out all the items possibly given to you... just how to read their properties )
yfprojects: Are you able to do some calculations while opponents turn? or is it allowed?
Zenoscave: yfprojects it's possible but it isn't much time or worth setting up
Zenoscave: not worth it
yfprojects: its up to 100ms more
Zenoscave: if you can thread the code. you only run on 1 cpu. you get maybe 25ms out of it total
Zenoscave: but it's difficult
yfprojects: so its allowed?
Zenoscave: sure go for it.
yfprojects: i'll probably do it if I dont have enough time
Zenoscave: I'm telling you top players have tried and found it was not enough time to be worth the setup
yfprojects: mmh
icecream17: monomethylhydrazine???
icecream17: (what i got when i searched it up)
Zenoscave: icecream17 lol
yfprojects: what did you search?
Zenoscave: mmh
yfprojects: go to https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/mmh
yfprojects: used mostly for thinking
Zenoscave: auchso
icecream17: oh. i don't know anything other than english....
rwilson: yfprojects - a few key details about multi-threaded ... your time is accounted for across threads ( so you don't get 'extra' time by splitting it up... and your process is effectively paused while waiting for your opponent. so you can't 'think' while their turn is running...
Zenoscave: rwilson some were able to fork-exec and avoid this limitation
yfprojects: not always i think
Zenoscave: but the setup is much too much to result in extra time
yfprojects: i got up to 100ms extra time
yfprojects: well, sometimes only 11ms
eulerscheZahl: yfprojects 07:03PM
Are you able to do some calculations while opponents turn? or is it allowed?
your thread will be paused during the opponent turn
eulerscheZahl: i tested that already
eulerscheZahl: you get a few extra percent in the timeframe between switching threads but as Zenoscave said: not worth the effort
rwilson: Zenoscave i'd be curious to see the setup, ( i'll go forum diving later ) .. last i looked into it ( years ago now ) it looked like CG's stance was to track it tightly, so there's no unfair advantage
yfprojects: mybe my tests were buggy
Zenoscave: well said euler
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/450221371 it doesn't get more drawish than this...
eulerscheZahl: what a boring match
Illedan: Pacifist bot?
AntiSquid: why wouldn't any of them try to guess the opponent might follow the same "best idea" ?
icecream17: hey, can anyone find a really really really empty map?
yfprojects: seed=-430391657
what about this one?
icecream17: great! thanks
icecream17: now to figure out a very good strategy for silencers
Nerchio: antisquid you beat me in my submit
Nerchio: i just walked over your mines
Nerchio: and i already changed my mine-avoidance pretty high =/
yfprojects: @eulerscheZahl and @Zenoscave could you look at this test code?
yfprojects: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/4e1f54ab-6595-47a8-bd95-34ccb8cff114
yfprojects: is for tictactoe
idkhow2codee: how to advance to higher div?
Illedan: Submit a bot better than the boss
rwilson: idkhow2codee - when your submitted bot has a higher 'score' than the league boss. Roughly that's win % rate against everyone else in the league.
idkhow2codee: oh k thanks for clear explanation
rwilson: ;) just being able to beat the boss 'head to head' is not enough ;)
AntiSquid: you walked into mines then your mine avoidance isn't high Nerchio
idkhow2codee: :grin:
AntiSquid: read my bot messages for debug help
Nerchio: i should make the whole map one big mine
wolf-555: hello
icecream17: Go around the opponent in a circle and surround them with mines
Nerchio: go outside map boundaries so they can't find you
rwilson: Mine change reactions would have been a fun addition to OOC.
rwilson: ... CHAIN .. :(
Nerchio: i think maybe possibility to destroy mines with shot would be okay
Nerchio: not sure how often it would be used though
Illedan: If you could kill mines with shot, you can simple shoot ahead of yourself
AntiSquid: it's inspired from captain sonar, which is different
Illedan: and clear the path
Nerchio: nah
AntiSquid: clear path at the cost of giving away your position
Nerchio: you shoot you can get countered
Illedan: But I'm not sure if the game would better.
AntiSquid: well captain sonar surely got popular for a reason
icecream17: What about a new option to charge...
AntiSquid: no
yfprojects: a mine defuser
eulerscheZahl: yfprojects that's an academic example: you test it in wood, where the opponent takes close to 0 time in most matches
yfprojects: no i play against myself
eulerscheZahl: that invalidates my argument
eulerscheZahl: wait, it doesn't
your main thread responds instantly
eulerscheZahl: so the most time consumed is referee + communication
yfprojects: oh i deleted that part
eulerscheZahl: and there is a small gain between thread switching
eulerscheZahl: 2ms compared to 0.001ms is a lot
2ms to 100ms isn't
icecream17: What if you could charge supersonar? You immediately get the opponent position with 15 charge!
yfprojects: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3b275752-ca90-427a-b8b8-1a8baf3f18b0
eulerscheZahl: i guess i could run your code to check for actual timings
AntiSquid: Icelemon maybe your issue is that you don't like how some skills work, let's talk about that instead?
AntiSquid: icecream17 *
AntiSquid: damn accidentally pinged your brother
yfprojects: icecream17 that would be stupid and boring
icecream17: hmm.... what about.... hmm....
AntiSquid: as boring as all multis with full information
icecream17: oh righ
Nerchio: michael pu first in gold
icecream17: what about teleport? it take 50 charge...
AntiSquid: more appealing to some than others so ...
AntiSquid: 50 charges?
AntiSquid: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/171131/captain-sonar icecream17
AntiSquid: oh there are drones in the original
eulerscheZahl: i tried different delays in your time.sleep
but no notable difference in the iterations
eulerscheZahl: you would expect a linear correlation for this to work
eulerscheZahl: drones are pretty much the sonar in the contest
Nerchio: i am 3-1 vs michael pu in practice
yfprojects: but you gain Some time from what i dont know
Nerchio: just shows how brutal gold is
eulerscheZahl: while the original sonar allows the opponent to give you 2 pieces of information about the own location (sector, x, y) where 1 is true and 1 is false
eulerscheZahl: but that would complicate the protocol
dbdr: independent answers for x and y?
AntiSquid: oh the real sonar would make the contest more "exciting" lol
eulerscheZahl: give both x and y, but one of them has to be a lie and you don't say which is wrong
eulerscheZahl: and x and sector or y and sector
eulerscheZahl: 17 more users, then we have as many as UTG
AntiSquid: well that would narrow down paths a bit
AntiSquid: even if one is a lie
yfprojects: would be intersting
dbdr: can the referee respond "I always lie" ?
eulerscheZahl: true, but forces the opponent to handle the opponent sonar
kovi: i think something different is needed. almost no matter what i change (even badly) the result is the same
eulerscheZahl: same here kovi, just 30 ranks below
dbdr: I was thinking 140 matches is not a lot for legend
dbdr: don't you think?
eulerscheZahl: my bot doesn't even have huge winrate differences against top vs bottom
Illedan: For this game you need 140 matches vs each player :P
dbdr: :D
eulerscheZahl: yesterday morning i checked and was 2nd from the bottom
eulerscheZahl: in the afternoon is was in the middle
eulerscheZahl: without even submitting
Illedan: Very low difference
Illedan: And someone spamming
AntiSquid: now boss is 2 point abovve #2
AntiSquid: YoBo must feel horrible :D
eulerscheZahl: legend is big enough already
Illedan: yeah
eulerscheZahl: we are closed
Illedan: Fly little boss
AntiSquid: hah you wish
dbdr: yeah, 40
Illedan: up up and away
dbdr: that's it
icecream17: Rating should be like "10.56" with 29867 variation
Illedan: Yeah, I'll close it now
MichaelPu: not so closed
eulerscheZahl: let's tell saiksy to put a stronger boss
dbdr: grats MichaelPu!
MichaelPu: thanks
AntiSquid: almost sounds like some migrant crisis :D
Illedan: lol
eulerscheZahl: and CG will pay for it
eulerscheZahl: wait, bad metaphor
gold league players will pay
AntiSquid: but only wlesavo built the wall
coderinblack: ok
icecream17: Hmmm.... "switch players" option for 40 charge
icecream17: "infinite mines" for 50 charge
AntiSquid: you realize that's 50 turns of doing nothing but charging?
icecream17: It *might* be worth it
icecream17: But why do you charge when you move?
AntiSquid: feel the wrath of Automaton2000
Automaton2000: how is the contest winner
icecream17: Shouldn't it be the other way around
icecream17: I just thought of "Glitch"
icecream17: ooh... what should it do?
AntiSquid: make your own CG game :/
icecream17: too hard to do that, dont feel like it
icecream17: oh well.
icecream17: Maybe I should code something like "type of player". Like... "silence 0ers" or something
icecream17: Sonar looks more and more like a good option...
Illedan: What league?
icecream17: silver
AntiSquid: In 1958, at age 15, Bobby Fischer became the youngest chess player in history to be named grandmaster, the highest title possible. icecream17
AntiSquid: and you say making a CG game is too hard icecream17
Illedan: As long as you have decent mines + decent tracker. You should be able to reach legend :)
Illedan: *gold
AntiSquid: probably doesn't tkae much more to get legend either
Illedan: Legend requires a good tracker I think
AntiSquid: considering how flawed and incomplete my bot is
icecream17: My bot is currently worse than yours now
kovi: maybe i was wrong. same top4 is separated once again
icecream17: baboulaf's profile picture tricked me
icecream17: i'm surprised i win half the time - anyone who triggers a mine i instant -1
icecream17: nevermind, i only sometimes -1
icecream17: nevermind, i -1 for no reason
AntiSquid: more features more timeouts
ZarthaxX: gg squido
RavenKZP: better features better timeouts
Q12: Who can I contact to give an advice for improving the website?
eulerscheZahl: Q12 https://www.codingame.com/forum/c/feedback-bugs
Q12: Thanks
Nerchio: get rekt zenos :d
Summit: i am bad at coding
Q12: You will get better during the time.
icecream17: Breach test case number 1 is called "simple"
Summit: Thanks :grinning:
icecream17: All my guesses are failing...
Q12: Don' Give Up:grinning:
AntiSquid: ZarthaxX luck
Summit: How did you learn coding
AntiSquid: i made a wish
AntiSquid: i have 2 wishes left
AntiSquid: now get an avatar Summit
Summit: i have one its just not showing
AntiSquid: ah i see it now
ZarthaxX: AntiSquid luck?
ZarthaxX: what
AntiSquid: Summit do you know how to code or just starting?
Summit: Just starting
AntiSquid: ya ZarthaxX, you lucker if my bot wasn't so bad you would have your ass handed to you, lucker
AntiSquid: do the easy puzzles Summit
Summit: Ok i will
AntiSquid: or get started with an easier site if this is still too hard
Summit: Ok thanks for the advice
icecream17: Oh yeah, relief! I "successfully...."
ZarthaxX: i just said gg randomnly squid lol
Summit: What coding platform is the easiest to learn?
AntiSquid: but you won ZarthaxX
AntiSquid: and i was joking
Nerchio: mlomb #1 ;o
mlomb: finally
Counterbalance: zarthy's alt?
mlomb: top gold meta is so random and broken
AntiSquid: lol Counterbalance
AntiSquid: they aren't even same animal
ZarthaxX: alt? Counterbalance
ZarthaxX: he is another boi
AntiSquid: did you check him?
AntiSquid: to make sure?
ZarthaxX: ye :)
Counterbalance: same flag/uni - you know each other in RL?
Nerchio: lets goooooooooo
Nerchio: good submikt
AntiSquid: oh shit, mlomb is ZarthaxX's teacher :o
ZarthaxX: lmao
ZarthaxX: Counterbalance not yet
Nerchio: thomasnicoulaud is my hardest enemy :(
ZarthaxX: we go to same uni tho, he is starting this year cout
ZarthaxX: Counterbalance
ZarthaxX: and nico is gone Nerchio
ZarthaxX: LMAO
Nerchio: what? :D
ZarthaxX: i saw him get golden
Nerchio: i am crushing the top atm
ZarthaxX: i think he promoted..
Nerchio: zathrax u got owned 3 times
ZarthaxX: yeah i hate u
AntiSquid: his avatar animal makes him look older though, ZarthaxX
Nerchio: lechuck 4 times
Nerchio: hahaha
Nerchio: zathrax
Nerchio: xDD
Nerchio: 5-1
Astrobytes: Tardax
ZarthaxX: sheez
ZarthaxX: what did u change
ZarthaxX: shh Astrobytes
Counterbalance: you still have the CotC hat, tsk
AntiSquid: Nerchio you need to say: gg ZarthaxX
and then silence, most effective
ZarthaxX: Nerchio promoting
ZarthaxX: lmao
Nerchio: damn the curse of first place
ZarthaxX: 3 promotes
AntiSquid: well done Nerchio
Nerchio: lost 3 times
Nerchio: :(
ZarthaxX: ha :P
ZarthaxX: Counterbalance ppl want the hat
Counterbalance: make all brutal
...
End of game 100 17,00% 78,00%
/flip
Nerchio: i will ragequit if i dont make it
ZarthaxX: u can just resubmit Nerchio
ZarthaxX: lol
ZarthaxX: nico is gone
AntiSquid: can happen Nerchio
AntiSquid: but then you might also get pushed over night
AntiSquid: so ...
Nerchio: zzzzzz
Nerchio: 6-6 last matches
Counterbalance: decent lead
Nerchio: and zathrax beat me
Nerchio: :D
AntiSquid: you know where he lives, must not be too far from his uni Nerchio
ZarthaxX: :)
Nerchio: i will just keep submiting
ZarthaxX: just dont feed boss Nerchio
Nerchio: this
Nerchio: until i advance
AntiSquid: lol
ZarthaxX: and u fed him
AntiSquid: rekt
ZarthaxX: :/
Nerchio: ye i lost like
Nerchio: 6 times to lechuck
Nerchio: he got lucky
AntiSquid: no point resubmitting you shoot yourself in the leg if you overfeed boss
AntiSquid: best to just park the bot there on #2
AntiSquid: until you improve
Nerchio: looks like
Nerchio: i can go 10-0 vs captain and 0-10 as well
AntiSquid: but hey well done :D
Nerchio: last 30 matches
AntiSquid: ZarthaxX you better learn from him
Nerchio: is like
Nerchio: all wins except 2 vs everyone
Nerchio: and every game against boss was loss
Nerchio: looks like captain le chuck got lucky this time
Nerchio: back to the drawing board vs le chuck
icecream17: Yes! 518 -> 400ish
AntiSquid: yes finally eliminated one of the timeouts jeez
AntiSquid: icecream17 just get a decent opponent tracking, track all his steps
icecream17: i don't have one already? what am i missing?
AntiSquid: you do?
icecream17: i don't know. i think it's more that i don't blow up my mines or torpedo well enough
AntiSquid: ok let me try to give you an idea
AntiSquid: this is me tracking the opponent, the numbers represent how many possible paths are at each position:
AntiSquid: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/81e93d67-3924-4e33-a3cb-15d21026e2b2
FrankR: AntiSquid: does the number of paths matter? I just track the possible positions only
AntiSquid: and this is me timing out vs silver boss in a very sophisticated manner: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/450333752
AntiSquid: idk, i think it does? i mean i got from 250+ to top 50 gold after i started tracking everything, but maybe it's not needed
RavenKZP: FrankR I'm tracking only possible points :)
icecream17: kept timing out if i do paths....
AntiSquid: what language icecream17?
icecream17: js
Summit: Now im using codecademy
AntiSquid: ya it's a nice language but slow compared to c++
AntiSquid: actually icecream17 why don't you watch thibpat's stream? he streamed in JS how to get gold lol
AntiSquid: are we losing you Summit ?
Summit: no
FrankR: AntiSquid: you really only get multiples for paths on opponent's silence right?
AntiSquid: yes
AntiSquid: i don't handle opponent mines yet
k4ng0u: FrankR if you don't track path precisely, you can't efficiently track mines so you are likely to surface all the time or spam silence constantly
icecream17: each possibleOpp position = 0.01ms
AntiSquid: i try to track them buti timeout atm
Summit: im going to keep using this site but i need a foundation to build on
icecream17: with silence and paths: 128 * 16 * 0.01 > 50... timeout
Summit: i have no prior knoledge to coding
Counterbalance: icecream17 are you using lambdas?
icecream17: what's a lambda?
Counterbalance: :)
FrankR: k4ng0u: I do track, the question is why would it be better to keep track of the number of paths for each position, instead of just knowing that the enemy could be at a position or not?
AntiSquid: icecream17 that's something you need to learn in JS
Counterbalance: array.sort( (a, b) => a < b ) etc..
icecream17: another thing ive never heard of
icecream17: oh, .sort()? yeah i know that...
AntiSquid: what about ES stuff? did you learn any of that?
icecream17: but how it relates to lambdas idk
Counterbalance: or array.each( el => { stuff } ) - it's really slow
icecream17: ES? also never heard of that
AntiSquid: well lambda is just a compressed way to write functions
icecream17: oh. yeah i know that
AntiSquid: icecream17 https://codeburst.io/javascript-wtf-is-es6-es8-es-2017-ecmascript-dca859e4821c
icecream17: you mean ES5 and ES6 or stuff like that?
AntiSquid: yes
icecream17: ok... well i learned js like in 2018 or something so im good
AntiSquid: ah
Counterbalance: es6 is still not usable on all browsers :(
AntiSquid: use a clock to check where you waste time in your code icecream17
icecream17: var time = new Date()
AntiSquid: edge and IE are not browsers
icecream17: new Date() - time = 1 (millisecond)
icecream17: Also I lose time on paths like this:
icecream17: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1889ea3a-e6e6-4d3a-8a47-c281659e8d9f
AntiSquid: ah i see why i lose vs silver boss, he silence spams and i don't handle that correctly
FrankR: does anyone know a decent way to avoid/detect enemy mines?
icecream17: And then the error stream just shows "..."
Counterbalance: errorlogging = extremely slow in js
icecream17: well, i could just put the time in an array but i wouldn't ever see it because it would timeout too early...
icecream17: Maybe I could make a "setInterval" thing that displays every 5ms....
icecream17: But usually the error stream is too clogged up to see
AntiSquid: good question FrankR
icecream17: How to avoid: Look at possMines. Oh 157 possMines? Maybe wait a little more... Ugh, silence. What? A mine? Let's add more positions...
Counterbalance: yeah that about sums it up
Nerchio: my mine problem is simply that when they put 1 mine you need to add 4
Nerchio: and when they trigger mine you can't exactly remove 4
Nerchio: ^^
icecream17: I think you just avoid the general area the opponent is in by surface....
icecream17: Trigger mine = Remove possibleOpp positions
icecream17: Remove possibleOpp positons = Remove possibleMines
FrankR: I'm more interested in a voronoi kind of map with high-density areas.. most just lay a minefield in one part of the map and it's way cheaper to surface than to enter that mine-hell
k4ng0u: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/259c150f-ce82-4e20-9959-a57bbbbff337
FrankR: k4ng0u I'm keeping track of the opponent's commands + possible positions. That way I can trace back paths when needed (f.ex. when a mine is triggered, I can rule out more positions/paths). However, all of that leaves way too many possible mine positions.
Then again: are you saying you can successfully prune mine positions to anything meaningful? I failed to do that a few times now :(
icecream17: I have assoc array where [position] -> [possible Mines from that position]
icecream17: When eliminate [position], eliminate [mines]
icecream17: Usually the opponent silences too much or doesn't silence too much and you know...
Nerchio: but 1 square can be connected to up 4 points
icecream17: Yeah, but you're gonna avoid the general area anyway
FrankR: icecream17 yeah I tried that.. but still even if you can trace back the correct path (assuming not even a silence) you get a mine probability of only 25%
icecream17: avoid the general area....? add the totals up?
k4ng0u: FrankR I can "successfully prune mine positions" though the range is still wide because when the opp put a mine it's still a 9+6*4 potential dangerous cells. but then I still struggle to properly use that information :P for now I have some crappy heuristic to avoid those cells as much as possible but in some scenario I just go in and spam silence until I get out
AntiSquid: ya frank same issue here, which mine do i even prune if one gets triggered and they are next to eachother :/
icecream17: Oh. You mean if the opponent places a mine at move 17, it creates 4 positions... but when the mine blows up you only remove 1? I havent thought of that
icecream17: handmade add up mine positions:
icecream17: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/434a232b-5f66-445e-80ca-7d96a6eaeb0a
icecream17: Try to stay in the zeroes?
icecream17: Haven't implemented mine avoidance yet
Counterbalance: i found a horrible bug again :(
Counterbalance: my bot thinks it's a good idea to box itself in. It can't find the opponent then, so it thinks it's far away from it..
Nerchio: is there ever a point staying at place #8?
Nerchio: probably not
icecream17: LeRenard is calculating and is 8th place in silver....
icecream17: And all the top5 has a green up arrow
icecream17: Including 2nd place... 0.03 behind the boss
AntiSquid: you got a better version nerchio?
icecream17: I wonder what the closest no-promote score is?
Nerchio: no
Nerchio: i feel like
Nerchio: this game is random enough
Nerchio: for me to advance on a good submit
AntiSquid: try it then
Nerchio: yea i submit when previous one finishes :D
AntiSquid: but same bot for me can get #22, #50, #70
Nerchio: same last time i finished 50
Nerchio: now 8
AntiSquid: ya maybe you won't get lucky again
AntiSquid: just focus on improving or you waste time submitting
Nerchio: if i submit enough times i will
Nerchio: its statistics
AntiSquid: then submit and improve simultaneously
Nerchio: dont have power to improve today anymore
Nerchio: and tbh i am not sure what i can do anymore
Astrobytes: LB is in constant flux during active contests, so it's obvious you'll have inconsistent results with everyone submitting, unless your bot is strong enough to cut through
AntiSquid: as everyone improves it gets a bit harder to get past the wall that builds up close to the boss
Nerchio: i actually think i do better vs top 10
Nerchio: than top 30-100
icecream17: 5 people in top 100 is computing now
Nerchio: a couple losses against mid gold guys can slow down a submit substantialy
Nerchio: looking decent so far
Nerchio: a couple losses but overall many wins
Nerchio: now the toughest region ~80
AntiSquid: captain sonar the actual board game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9NGY2xdP_8
OOOrion: There are bots in code clashs?
Illedan: yeah
koulick424: Hello guys
RavenKZP: there is limit in size of code?
icecream17: I've heard 100,000 characters or something
RavenKZP: 98,530 :D
RavenKZP: close :(
RavenKZP: i mean i will need do some optimalization
YannT: I removed 17% de of code in my bot and now it's top10 again...
YannT: so if you're having issues, try removing between 15% and 20% of your code
YannT: just a protip
Illedan: Compilation error :(
YannT: (use cgbenchmark to figure out the magic number amount of code to remove)
icecream17: cgbenchmark?
Illedan: Java tool to brighten up your day
Illedan: And run batch games to verify stuff
trytrihjyuki: what is fastest way to get input in c++?
YannT: trick question there's no fast way to code c++
MadKnight: then code c#
DHEER: where do i find the sprint coding contest?
DHEER: spring*
struct: Hasnt started yet
struct: the ongoing contest is OOC
struct: https://www.codingame.com/contests/ocean-of-code
struct: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2020
DHEER: ok thanks
andichin: SIMP!
icecream17: What's the fastest language?
JBM: python
JBM: well it WAS first to answer
blasterpoard: icecream17 on codingame, c++ is probably the fastest
blasterpoard: together with c
Uljahn: and D perhaps
blasterpoard: there are some who claim that D is much faster than C++, but there's still no proof
reCurse: Good old meme
icecream17: Count to 1000000?
Astrobytes: D is 10 x faster than C++, they should add it to CG right now, millions will use it... oh... wait
blasterpoard: well, D looks like it is the language with the best average rank in the contest
blasterpoard: so those rumors might be true
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: You don't need proof when you community-spam
blasterpoard: also C++ is bad on the top level - in legend, worst 8 players all use C++
blasterpoard: *9
struct: Cant argue with these facts
Astrobytes: Shocking. Clearly D would improve this.
Astrobytes: If everyone just takes the D, it'll all be good, right struct?
struct: Not everyone has ability to use D
mviudes: hey a stupid question: if i submit one time, can i submit again?
mviudes: is there a limit?
struct: no limit
Uljahn: no hard limits
Uljahn: just don't spam submits
mviudes: okay, thanks :)
blasterpoard: mviudes there are people who submitted hundreds of times; but keep in mind that submitting again without significant improvement won't help you
Astrobytes: Unless you use the D
Astrobytes: It likes to go in frequently.
Astrobytes: Anyway, I have lowered the tone enough for tonight I think
Astrobytes: :D
Astrobytes: Goodnight all
Counterbalance: nn
struct: gn
icecream17: How do you stop timeouting?
icecream17: 7/10 wins.... finally
icecream17: 4xx --> 121st =O
icecream17: maybe my bot is actually good this time!
DaniloFuchs: everyone should share their code
DaniloFuchs: It's always puzzling to understand other people's reasoning
icecream17: My code is useless and horrible: (first 100 lines)
icecream17: It says "this command does not exist."
icecream17: Oh. js comments have a slash, which are commands in cha.t.....
icecream17: creating secret chatroom to test: #secret
icecream17: Ah... that's how you... nice
icecream17: Hmm. When I torpedo, the opponents silence. (Obviously not by accident).
icecream17: But even though I could catch the person the time of the least amount of positions is when the opponent didn't just silence
icecream17: Hmm. If I have 1 tC, I could move and then shoot
icecream17: The wins where I have the most lives is if my opponent walks into my mines... close combat is a close win or lose or horrible lose
icecream17: Oh wow. I took my code and filtered out everything except [], {}, and () and got this:
icecream17: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ba21db91-d7ba-4107-9475-85ca412a1402
icecream17: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3805db24-f9dd-4ed5-87f9-87b033b5ddb9
smcbot35: wow
smcbot35: what programming language?
mlomb: Here is mine
mlomb: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/36f9084c-21ed-41ab-aa22-dc37cabf4308
icecream17: js
Ifthel: Which languages besides js have that many []'s?
Zenoscave: I can beat that
Zenoscave: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/8fa292d4-35ed-44ca-81db-1e63f7b33474
Zenoscave: This is runnable
Neon_Tuts: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/118825589a3dbe86b6b0f65ef980a5e16f28eb1
Sepehr.khashei: :santa:
