MII_Man: Anyone know if it's possible to change the length of the output text
Uljahn: there is a built-in limit
tutubalin: you can use __int128_t
DenShlk: __int128_t cant be printed
Danyosate: strange.. I passed test cases in ide, but when submit, the same cases raises a failure
Z_Doctor: "The tests provided are similar to the validation tests used to compute the final score but remain different."
Danyosate: welll
Danyosate: thx
Z_Doctor: Could be a potential flaw that isn't triggered in the test data
Z_Doctor: One time for me it was because I was creating a bunch of lists
Z_Doctor: and that took too long
Anton4ik200: доброе утро
Z_Doctor: and caused the test to time out
Danyosate: :sweat_smile:
Hobogodnayamish: от нас все в мир чат сбежали.....
Z_Doctor: @Danyosate What test is it anyway?
Danyosate: Disordered First Contact
Danyosate: it's something wrong in my code, fixed it now~
Z_Doctor: was it related to lists? :smirk:
Danyosate: nope, it's something wrong with my algorithm
Z_Doctor: :thumbsup_tone2:
Danyosate: btw I don't know
Danyosate: the maximum recursion litmit
ZAKVAZ: pleas answer chuk norris pleas\
Z_Doctor: I'd say use them sparingly
Danyosate: are they same when compiling in IDS and after submition?
Danyosate: submission
Z_Doctor: No idea
Danyosate: hope the test in submission could give some feedback
Danyosate: hey! will anyone see if I upvote my own code lol:joy:
Z_Doctor: No one will know it was you
Z_Doctor: Except whoever reads this
Danyosate: from now my code will get at least 1 upvote
Danyosate: c'mon, i bet most of the codes with 1 vote is self voting :sunglasses:
Anton4ik200: What?
Uljahn: Danyosate: each upvote is 5 ex worth :smirk:
Danyosate: including self upvote?
Hobogodnayamish: #ОРДЕНМЯЧИКА
Uljahn: Danyosate yep
Danyosate: now i'm going to upvote all my codes
Danyosate: well and urs. sometimes I saw ur code
Uljahn: also you can deactivate your upvote afterwards and exp would still stay
Danyosate: :sweat_smile:
MSmits: morning
MrTermik33: Hi
dbdr: hi!
eulerscheZahl: hi
eulerscheZahl: i think i'm missing something fundamental at bulls and cows
eulerscheZahl: 100 runs offline, best was 307 :/
eulerscheZahl: averages
eulerscheZahl: 321.13
2: 5.06 3: 5.038 4: 5.298 5: 5.738 6: 6.42 7: 7.174 8: 8.254 9: 9.552 10: 10.692
MSmits: hey Euler. I took some cp from Royale while keeping your the same :P
eulerscheZahl: which game?
MSmits: in langtons ant
eulerscheZahl: cool
MSmits: my bot started working
dbdr: eulerscheZahl: how do you select your guess? random?
MSmits: but redstrike is insane... what does he do ??
eulerscheZahl: oh, you are 2nd now :o
eulerscheZahl: no idea
eulerscheZahl: depends on the amount of candidates
dbdr: for MSmits, "started working" means #2 :D
eulerscheZahl: very few: all remaining + testing random excluded candidates
MSmits: doesn usually happen this fast. I dont think people spent many days on langtons ant
eulerscheZahl: for more candidates remaining i test all of i can
eulerscheZahl: or some random candidates among the possible ones
dbdr: what do you mean test all?
eulerscheZahl: trying to minimize the largest group of possible new candidates
dbdr: ah ok
eulerscheZahl: i have a list of possible numbers, which shrinks
eulerscheZahl: i try to test all of these at least
eulerscheZahl: possibly some more, that i already excluded
dbdr: sounds to me like you are trying to optimize the worst case
dbdr: maybe try to optimize the average case instead
eulerscheZahl: easy to change...
MSmits: or optimize the yogi-case
dbdr: yogi-case?
dbdr: what ref am I missing? :D
MSmits: he's better than the average bear
MSmits: since you're going to be submit spamming :)
dbdr: is there a reference?
eulerscheZahl: batch running, let's see if that's better
eulerscheZahl: oh, a 302 already
MSmits: https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/than+your+average+bear
eulerscheZahl: best before was 307
dbdr: :)
dbdr: ah, that's yogi bear
eulerscheZahl: btw by secrets are fully random
dbdr: didn't know that name, although the pic looks familiar
MSmits: ahh ok
eulerscheZahl: no fixed number of bulls/cows like for the online version
MSmits: does that matter euler?
dbdr: it probably affects the average
eulerscheZahl: i think that shifts the expected score a bit
dbdr: I also don't use them
dbdr: you use 5 for N=1 right?
eulerscheZahl: yes
eulerscheZahl: int score = 5;
for (int digits = 2; digits <= 10; digits++) {
for (int run = 0; run < 5; run++) {
dbdr: yeah
MSmits: why only 5 runs?
eulerscheZahl: for (int run = 1; run <= 100; run++) {
int turn = batchRun();
MSmits: just a quick test?
dbdr: there are 1 + 9 * 5 validators
eulerscheZahl: batchRun() doing the 5 times for each length
MSmits: oh right
MSmits: like the validators
MSmits: you guys are going all NS on this cattle game
dbdr: BNC is the new NS :D
MSmits: apparently
dbdr: guys, I've been thinking about a place for the community to share and store information
eulerscheZahl: forum.codingame.com?
eulerscheZahl: or a wiki?
dbdr: played with a few tools yesterday, and I like mediawiki (same software as wikipedia)
dbdr: yeah, it's complementary. forum is more of a feed, wiki can be organized
eulerscheZahl: i don't know that one
docuwiki is easy to set up i think
MSmits: like working tricks for various multis?
dbdr: https://cg.spdns.eu/wiki/Main_Page
dbdr: yes, for instance
dbdr: can link to the forum thread of course
jacek: BNC?
eulerscheZahl: bulls and cows
dbdr: or whatever people find useful
jacek: also, happy caturday
MSmits: would this replace the tech.io stuff people sometimes write?
dbdr: no
dbdr: I think tech.io is when you spend more time to write one article, no?
dbdr: on a wiki people can make a quick edit
MSmits: some people do that for wiki
dbdr: sure
dbdr: but you can't edit tech.io if it's not yours, right? probably you can comment
MSmits: thats true
MSmits: i think it's a good idea
dbdr: MSmits you said something about listing puzzles that help learning, right?
dbdr: bot writing I mean
MSmits: but these things need to achieve critical mass, before they start working, I hope that happens
MSmits: yes
dbdr: where would that go?
eulerscheZahl: average of 100 runs: from 321.13 to 316.2 with average instead of worst case
dbdr: nice eulerscheZahl
MSmits: if the wiki didnt exist, it would go on tech.io, but as you said, then 1 person would be responsible
eulerscheZahl: could help newbies but sounds like a lot of work :scream:
dbdr: yeah, tech.io is definitely great for some stuff, I don't intend to replace it, it has unique features
dbdr: well, the idea if there is something that comes up, just put it in the wiki
MSmits: having just a progression tree for puzzles toward bot games is something that would fit great on a wiki
dbdr: no need to spend hours on it
dbdr: for wikis, the philosophy is "don't hesitate to edit, don't sweat it, it will be improved later if needed"
MSmits: before i did my first multi's and contest I did a lot of puzzles, looking for ones that practices graphs and pathfinding. But there were only like 50 community puzzles then I think
MSmits: so it was not too hard
eulerscheZahl: now we have a tagging system on CG
dbf: you can also keep it on github in markdown - no hosting/etc is required in this case, but updates are a bit slower (when PR is merged)
eulerscheZahl: i know that not all puzzles use it correctly, but could be edited here
MSmits: sure, but newbies dont know the tags they need I think
dbf: we have one such article: https://github.com/core2duo/RHC-AI/
dbdr: dbf: interesting idea. but then you need to give commit access to it, right?
eulerscheZahl: oh dear, it's all Russian
dbf: eulerscheZahl, I think it should be fine for you :)
MSmits: you probably read some, after all that RAIC :P
dbdr: 7 место (Magus) :D
eulerscheZahl: and the RAIC contests i really tried are missing
dbf: dbdr - you can give commit permissions to several trusted (top 10 in CG rating, for example :)) persons and others will just submit pull-requests
eulerscheZahl: mini raic 4 and the last big one
dbf: eulerscheZahl, they are in my PR, but it is not merged yet, lol: https://github.com/core2duo/RHC-AI/pull/14
dbdr: dbf: that sounds fine for very curated content. but it does not encourage everyone to contribute. so it's a different approach
eulerscheZahl: you forgot https://github.com/eulerscheZahl/RussianAICup
eulerscheZahl: and i agree, a wiki is more dynamic
eulerscheZahl: there are 2 or 3 contests a year
eulerscheZahl: while dbdr wants more changes
dbf: exactly, github is slower, as I mentioned but the good thing is that you don't need to host it and a lot of pepole are already registered there
dbdr: sure, different use case
dbdr: you don't even need to register on a wiki if you don't want to
dbf: eulerscheZahl, it is a list of artlicels mostly (not links to repos), so I will be able to add a link only after you write an article (in russian, if possible)
dbdr: step 1: learn russian
eulerscheZahl: meh, not that relevant
eulerscheZahl: cyka blat
eulerscheZahl: where is my medal?
dbdr: 🥇
dbf: there was some hosting for wikis - there was a nice one about chess programming, but I think it is closed already :/
dbdr: I think there's a backup of it now
dbf: yes
dbf: https://www.chessprogramming.org/Main_Page
dbdr: anyways, I made the install on my host, so we can play with it already :)
dbdr: initially I wanted just to have chat logs searchable, and I realized if I put it in a wiki, I get search for free :)
eulerscheZahl: :D
dbdr: strangely I did not find a simpler solution
eulerscheZahl: i lost the chat of last night, MK spamming with Automaton
dbdr: damn
dbdr: I'll try to restore it for you ;)
dbdr: would be sad to lose that
eulerscheZahl: i don't know if it would
eulerscheZahl: as i don't know what i missed
dbdr: but seriously, we share some pretty useful information on the chat quite often
dbdr: so it could be quite useful to make it searchable
dbdr: among a lot of noise, obviously :D
AntiSquid: chat log with filters :thinking:
dbdr: what kind of filters?
AntiSquid: filter by content
AntiSquid: and maybe users
AntiSquid: use sentiment analysis :D
dbdr: filter by content is text search, no?
dbdr: by user would be useful, yes. should be doable
dbdr: sentiment analysis is future work. anything is possible :)
AntiSquid: yes you'd look for keywords
MSmits: mmh I would have to be more careful what I say here if my students can read it back :P
dbdr: well, they can already :)
MSmits: well, up to a point
MSmits: it disappears after a spam session doesnt it
AntiSquid: you mean like that night out you had which you wouldn't tell the students about? or is it the morning after?
MSmits: lol
dbdr: anyone can use pidgin and log everything
MSmits: sure, but requires planning right
MSmits: and effort
eulerscheZahl: and staying connected, i turn off my PC at night
dbdr: noob
eulerscheZahl: i sleep in that room
dbdr: get a server :)
AntiSquid: carcassonne got declined?
eulerscheZahl: auto-declined i guess
eulerscheZahl: after 30 days
dbdr: https://cg.spdns.eu/wiki/Chat:Fr/2020-03-13
dbdr: might need to improve the formatting :D
eulerscheZahl: you don't like linebreaks, do you?
darkhorse64: Inputs and graphics IP were unclear
dbdr: I put \n, but that's not enough for wiki
Uljahn: AntiSquid: wlesavo is thinking of tiles remake and providing some starter bots
kovi: so many bugs
struct: Hello
dbdr: what bugs kovi?
kovi: in my bandc speedup
kovi: it basicly became full random (and sometime crash)
eulerscheZahl: can we agree on B&C?
dbdr: B'n'C
kovi: mine is a single token ;)
darkhorse64: Bacteriological Nuclear Chemical bot ?
eulerscheZahl: bogus and non-deterministic challenge
kovi: :)
dbdr: yay, avatars
dbdr: https://cg.spdns.eu/wiki/Chat:Fr/2020-03-13
dbdr: who needs line breaks when you got avatars?
dbdr: kovi 304, nice!
kovi: thx
darkhorse64: Still unreadable but beautiful. The drawback is now that every insanity, every typo will get recorded forever
eulerscheZahl: i see your history goes back a few days
dbdr: yeah, wrote my xmpp bot last week
dbdr: and of course first time I mass import I mess up :/
eulerscheZahl: when i change my profile pic and CG cleans up their servers, your logs will break to some degree :thinking:
AntiSquid: it's not christmas anymore
eulerscheZahl: it's not?
dbdr: hum, the avatar links to a specific image?
dbdr: the XMPP contains this:
dbdr: <vCard xmlns='vcard-temp'><X-USERID>1500515</X-USERID><X-PUBLICHANDLE>8374201b6f1d19eb99d61c80351465b65150051</X-PUBLICHANDLE><NICKNAME>eulerscheZahl</NICKNAME><X-AVATAR>37132928861372</X-AVATAR></vCard>
eulerscheZahl: your representation i think
disappeared now, so i can't analyze it in detail
eulerscheZahl: you deleted it?
dbdr: I'm deleting because I imported wrong
dbdr: I'll put it back
dbdr: but with the info above from XMPP
dbdr: does it become stale if you change your avatar?
eulerscheZahl: no
eulerscheZahl: 37132928861372 is to that very specific xmas toad
struct: What if you delete the account?
eulerscheZahl: i think i already broke the default vindinium battle, not finding my old avatar anymore
dbdr: right
eulerscheZahl: what if you try that for us struct?
dbdr: I can always find the latest avatar for the given userid
dbdr: I store the XMPP as ground truth, the rest I can always regenerate
eulerscheZahl: true
struct: Maybe I can
dbdr: or would there be a way to "the current avatar for user X" ?
struct: I'm doing stuff outside CG atm
struct: Decided to learn asm
eulerscheZahl: not in HTML i think
eulerscheZahl: you will need an API call to get user id -> avatar
dbdr: and that would be slow as hell
eulerscheZahl: and spamming servers possibly
dbdr: unless cache
dbdr: but not worth it I think
dbdr: I could cache the avatars locally
dbdr: and symchronize them when I add a log
dbdr: ok, chat history is back
dbdr: and search works: https://cg.spdns.eu/index.php?title=Special:Search&profile=all&search=bitboard&fulltext=1
struct: nice
dbdr: these avatar links do not look nice in the search results, but oh well...
eulerscheZahl: still highly appreciated
struct: It's fine like it is
struct: Imo
jang888: hi
jang888: i am jang888
dbdr: every DOS attack on 2.15.156.27 ;)
YurkovAS: dbdr chat history - is great!
dbdr: cool, thanks!
dbdr: I just made it read-only, so people cannot change history anymore :)
dbdr: a contributor, nice :)
eulerscheZahl: french IP
JFB: dbdr - language option for automatic translation ft -> en ?
JFB: *fr -> en
dbdr: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fcg.spdns.eu%2Fwiki%2FChat%3AFr%2F2020-03-11
eulerscheZahl: i think the suggestion was to set the language of the page itself in the metadata
so the browser suggests to translate the page
dbdr: the google translation is definitely entertaining
eulerscheZahl: chat = cat
you are real pet lovers over there
JFB: eulerscheZahl - exacly - but dbdr solution is nice
dbdr: it's chaturday
dbdr: ah
dbdr: how do I do that?
JFB: using backspace ?
eulerscheZahl: for wiki: no idea, as you don't edit plain HTML
dbdr: well, I have a Chat:Fr/ namespace, so it might be possible
dbdr: backspace??
JFB: chat + backspace = cat
Uljahn: dbdr: could we make another page (or template) to represent the same history in different ways like with no avatars (or smaller ones) or with a bold font for nicks? just having no idea of wiki engine abilities
dbdr: definitely the display is not ideal
dbdr: it's a quick POC
dbdr: I like how discord and webchat do it, not repeating the nick for consecutive lines
JFB: chat (fr) -> cat (en) -
AntiSquid: chat + backspace = cha
JFB: true
JFB: simply 'cat' mean 'cat' in france co translator converted enlish 'chat' word to 'cat' thinking that it is france
JFB: :-)
JFB: I chust make 'ch <backspace> at' mistake :-)
JFB: *just
JFB: dbdr - any way it is great idea - I can not simultanously program and read this chat and it is a lot of great ideas on the chat now I can do both (program and from time to time looks for new ideas in the chat history)
Astrobytes: Wow, great work dbdr, thanks for that
dbdr: :)
MSmits: you even made the automatons make more snese
MSmits: sense
MSmits: does maddy speak French !>
MSmits: ?
dbdr: he does!
MSmits: damn
dbdr: pretty good too
eulerscheZahl: self-taught afaik
MSmits: so basically, we can now spy on the French during contests
MSmits: get some more non-Frenchies in the top 10 :)
MSmits: yeah i remember, maddy has a thing for languages
dbdr: google mistranlation -> spend hours debugging your bot :D
MadKnight: yea MSmits u can always google translate it
MSmits: yes but dbdr made it so easy now
dbdr: best is google translation of the french Automatons
MSmits: are they better trained?
dbdr: I think they are similar, could be wrong
MSmits: or do the French make more sense to machine when they speak
dbdr: the translation adds a little spice :)
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: WhatTrickeryIsThis: and the groundhog puts the chocolate in the aluminum
darkhorse64: The last one who said it got a wind on #world
MSmits: I think it's not just French. They speak in code to confuse us !
eulerscheZahl: do you speak any languages apart from dutch and english?
MSmits: I can probably read German reasonably well
MSmits: and some easy sentences in French
MSmits: but not speak
Astrobytes: I can understand Rammstein songs
eulerscheZahl: i'm not even sure if i can
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: should those really be called songs?
eulerscheZahl: i always struggle to understand lyrics, no matter if german or english
Astrobytes: MSmits Rammstein are great
Astrobytes: yes but you're averse to music euler
MSmits: mmh I prefer other music
struct: I struggle so much to learn by reading books
MadKnight: what kind of music MSmits ?
struct: I looose focus quickly
MadKnight: hey struct
struct: Hi MadKnight
MadKnight: have u found any NN tech io tuto ?
MSmits: I'll pm you MadKnight
struct: There isn't
Astrobytes: lol MSmits
MSmits: better not to share it publicly, or it triggers Astrobytes :P
Astrobytes: Absolutely
Astrobytes: Away and rub your magic lamp
MSmits: lol
struct: I'm waiting for you tuto MadKnight
darkhorse64: I love french -> english translation
JBM: what's your rate?
darkhorse64: I mean the one from google
JBM: cheap
Astrobytes: Did I tell you about the time I was searching on Bing for petit farci niçois, and it translated as "The Stuffed Babies Of Nice"
JBM: ever seen that viral image of petite bites?
Astrobytes: Not sure I want to lol
JBM: oh the image is as sfw as it gets
JBM: googling for it seems to be tough though
JBM: in .fr at least
JBM: well anyway this ought to do the job: https://www.reddit.com/r/CrappyDesign/comments/4jwfrl/petite_bite_means_little_dick_in_french/
Astrobytes: We used to serve Bitburger beer at a pub I worked in, and our Parisian bartender used to crack up any time anybody used the phrase "bitte ein bit"
Astrobytes: Hah! Classic.
JBM: clbuttic
Astrobytes: lol, indeed
darkhorse64: just read the news about UK health policy. I read it twice but I still cannot believe it ...
JFB: What is it?
JFB: This UK jealth policy?
darkhorse64: Collective immunity. Get as many people sick as possible.
struct: lol
struct: logic
MSmits: link
MSmits: if you have it
MSmits: could be fake news
JFB: probably
darkhorse64: It's in French from one of our respected media and it's not fake
darkhorse64: *most respected*
MSmits: I cant find that anywhere
eulerscheZahl: Astrobytes mentioned something like that yesterday too
eulerscheZahl: thank god Britains are the only Europeans who can still travel to the USA
darkhorse64: and I did not understand because I could not imagine such a policy
struct: It's called herd immunity
JFB: Witch such politicy is only problem of time
eulerscheZahl: witch :D
JFB: and number of hospital
JFB: olicy - get as many people sick as possible
Astrobytes: They appear to be backtracking on some elements such as cancelling major events etc but they still plan to kill a load of us
JFB: *policy
MSmits: Astrobytes where are the official UK guidelines?
MSmits: it really doesnt matter if boris johnson says stupid :poop:
MSmits: trump does too.. no use taking it seriously
Astrobytes: Official guidlines for what, precisely?
MSmits: how to handle the crisis
Astrobytes: *guidelines
Astrobytes: They don't tend to publish those
MSmits: does it say anywhere official that it is their goal to infect people
Astrobytes: As such. But they outlined the policy in a speech the other day
MSmits: a speech by Boris Johnson?
Astrobytes: Yes, they explained that they want to let the virus pass through society
MSmits: thought so
MSmits: Trump contradicts his own specialists daily
MSmits: so I am assume the British version does also
MSmits: am assuming
darkhorse64: 60 % of the population infected, 1% deaths leads to 400.000 people
MSmits: keeping the schools open is not necessarily a measure to "get more people infected". There are good arguments for and against it
eulerscheZahl: johnson seems like trump on a first look, but i think he's smarter and more self reflected, sometimes pretending to be stupid
JFB: Passing throught society may be OK - if yoi have enough resources to care for very serious cases
Astrobytes: No, MSmits, Boris, plus the chief scientific officer, Sir Patrick Vallance and Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty
eulerscheZahl: trump vs johnson in more detail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXyO_MC9g3k
MSmits: eulerscheZahl true, he is, but even if you are 10x more smart and self reflective than trump, you're comparing to a very low bar
Astrobytes: TRump != Boris
Uljahn: JFB good point
MSmits: I know that
MSmits: i saw that show :)
Pegasus7: hi to everybody
MSmits: always watch John Oliver
eulerscheZahl: same
MSmits: he's the best Brit
JFB: But I'm not sure do GB have resource to care for all serious cases.
Astrobytes: No. We've had 10 years of austerity. Cuts, running down funding for the health service
MadKnight: > TRump != Boris
but does Trump == Boris ?
darkhorse64: 5000 slots to reanimate people
JFB: In Poland we have only 10 000 ventilator (for 38 milions people). Not all working
MSmits: i think you mean respirator?
JFB: Yes - respirators
MSmits: 10000 is probably not as bad as it sounds
Astrobytes: Ventilator is correct
Astrobytes: *also
darkhorse64: In france, the figures are not that much higher but growing. Therefore, the government policy is to restrain virus propagation as much as possible in the hope that our resources do not get saturated
MSmits: less than 20% of the people catching the virus actually needs a respirator and many people will not catch it and also they will not need respirators at the same time
Astrobytes: Well, in the UK we have a serious healthcare crisis even without this pandemic so...
MSmits: yeah that makes it alot worse =/
MSmits: hopefully this crisis will change politics to focus more on health care in the future
Astrobytes: Don't be silly.
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: I'm optimistic :P
Astrobytes: No one ever learns.
MSmits: though, a lot of healthcare problems can be prevented. So much diabetes out there for example
eulerscheZahl: summary of my school time
MSmits: diabetics are vulnerably to corona also
MSmits: vulnerable
Astrobytes: Our healthcare crisis is that the health service lacks funding. They plan to privatise it and sell it off, so they've been effectively asset-stripping it for a long time
MSmits: health care privatisation is bad
FuSheng: hello
FuSheng: oh hey guys youre here!!!
MSmits: where else woulld we be
JFB: In my country is officially to work remotly for all who has such possibility
FuSheng: sorry i left that day, was in a bad mood honestly
MSmits: JFB here too
MadKnight: welcome back FuSheng
FuSheng: hey
Astrobytes: How is your Python FuSheng?
FuSheng: what are you guys up to?
MadKnight: what are u gonna do today ?
FuSheng: oh hey astro
FuSheng: i dont know, ive wasted 10hours since i woken up lol
FuSheng: just mayybe read up on tutorials from ww3 schools
JFB: But our government was similar to Trump in previous weeks - and now try to "start fight" So make stupid moves too. Cancelled all flight - immediatelly.
FuSheng: oh yeah crap my project starts on monday... officially
JFB: So if yo are abroad - you can not return to country
Astrobytes: Most of the European response has been shockingly slow JFB
FuSheng: well im so screwed if i cant finish learning python before next week
MSmits: They should have at least cancelled all events as soon as the first case appeared
MSmits: you can't contain this
MSmits: but slow it down helps a ton
Astrobytes: Trying to balance economic crisis and health crisis... priorities
MSmits: right
Astrobytes: Markets > People
MSmits: for some yeah
FuSheng: oh yeah i wondered why python in codingame is different from the compilers online
FuSheng: like i wanna manually input stuff lol
struct: CG is not for that
FuSheng: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/101354e1-138f-4817-a766-7b72c6528256
FuSheng: lol nevermind im so gonna fail this
MSmits: if you fail at it, make sure you know if this because of lack of knowledge of python or because you dont know what the program is supposed to do
FuSheng: uhhhh
FuSheng: first i needa create a function right?
FuSheng: now i know how to get n via n = int(input())
MSmits: no, first you need to know how the program is supposed to solve htis
MSmits: you shouldnt even really be coding yet
MSmits: take a small number, say below 100
FuSheng: so when u input the value u wanna see the prime factors of the value
MSmits: see if you can solve it by hand
MSmits: without any code
MSmits: then think about how you did that
MSmits: do it a couple of times if necessary
MSmits: then turn it into code
FuSheng: solve it by hand?
MSmits: yes, piece of paper, pen
FuSheng: like writing a pseudo code?
MSmits: if you want, but pseudo code is already one step further
MSmits: first you need to mess with it
MSmits: learn about the problem
MSmits: see what works
MSmits: then write it down as pseudo, or directly into python, whatever you want
FuSheng: cant use a while loop for this project..
Astrobytes: Yes but take each step you made in solving by hand, then translate that. The steps you take is your algorithm.
FuSheng: uhhhhhh
MSmits: you're already thinking about loops FuSheng... thats a step too far
MSmits: dont think about code yet
MSmits: just solve it on paper
FuSheng: how do i solve it on paper
MSmits: if you can;t, you cant solve it with code either
Astrobytes: ^
FuSheng: isnt it the same as typing on here
MSmits: no
MSmits: on paper you can draw
struct: By using pen and paper you will find how to solve the problem
MSmits: scribble stuff.. cross it out, chane it
struct: What steps you need to do
MSmits: change
FuSheng: uh
MSmits: the thing is, if a solution on paper works for small numbers (which is all you can do on paper), it will work for larger numbers when you turn it into code
FuSheng: # get n #display prime factors of n # find total sum of prime factors ?
MSmits: allright, say the number 20
MSmits: how would you factorize it with prime numbers?
FuSheng: #1 x 20 # 2 x 10 # 2 x 2 x 5 ?
MSmits: right
MSmits: so what you did was
MSmits: you took the smallest prime number you can divide the number by
MSmits: and used it until you could no longer
MSmits: then you tried the next prime number
MSmits: and so on
MSmits: one division by 2 works
MSmits: another works too (then you get 5)
MSmits: 5 is a prime number, so you're done
MSmits: you need several things
FuSheng: oh
MSmits: you need a function to get the next prime number starting from some number
FuSheng: crap someone with javascript just did it in 321 code size
MSmits: how do you know the code sizE?
FuSheng: oh its shown in his tab
MSmits: oh ok
FuSheng: under console output lol
MSmits: is this a clash of code?
FuSheng: yeah its clash code
MSmits: ohh
struct: If you want to learn python or anything
struct: stay away from CoC
Uljahn: +
FuSheng: i figured out its sort of similar to ww3 projects
MSmits: if you're still struggling with coding, it might be more relaxed to just try easy puzzles
MSmits: take your time
FuSheng: like on ww3projects theres lots of project and example solutions
FuSheng: what puzzles can i work on for basics to practice like functions ?
FuSheng: strings list tuples sets
Uljahn: classic easy puzzles with corresponding tags
FuSheng: ok cool let me see
FuSheng: oh yeah @smith, i never thought of getting the next prime number in a function
FuSheng: i think i lack in logical thinking xDDD
MSmits: it's something you can improve a lot with practice
FuSheng: really ?
MSmits: yeah, logic follows patterns
MSmits: you are already very good at pattern recognition. You just did not learn to do it consciously
FuSheng: oh
FuSheng: wait how do you know that
MSmits: cuz every animal is
FuSheng: you should test me on one and see if i can do it xDD
MSmits: especially humans
PatrickMcGinnisII: hey peepz
MSmits: except PatrickMcGinnisII
MSmits: :P
MSmits: hi
FuSheng: oh yeah is it me or i find a 14inch screen kinda small to code on codingame
eulerscheZahl: it is small
MSmits: bigger is better, but i code on a small laptop sometimes too
eulerscheZahl: barbaric
FuSheng: ok so crap my weekends were supposed to be for study
FuSheng: or not actually
MSmits: well i can't take my desktop with me in the train :P
Uljahn: rip eyes
AntiSquid: when on holiday i sometimes use my phone and USB keyboard
FuSheng: ok im on a puzzle
eulerscheZahl: if it's chuck norris, try another one
FuSheng: its called ANEO sponsored Puzzple
eulerscheZahl: isn't that in medium?
MSmits: that sounds hard
MSmits: do something easy
Uljahn: you can't have community solutions for it
FuSheng: sad i dont see any functions catagory in the puzzles
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/training/easy
go there
Uljahn: functions can be used everywhere
eulerscheZahl: try the puzzles without "by <username>"
FuSheng: i see the loops puzzple
FuSheng: conditions , arrays, and more loops
eulerscheZahl: a good place to start for you
FuSheng: wheres the puzzle that you mentioned @euler
Uljahn: try thor, temperatures, ascii art, mime type if you haven't solved them already
eulerscheZahl: and descent, another really simple one
FuSheng: ok uijahn
FuSheng: how long on average for starters to finish testcase 1?
FuSheng: 15?
Uljahn: wut
FuSheng: 15minutes?
MSmits: FuSheng really hard to say
MSmits: I got stuck a long time on that puzzle somehow. It isn't hard, but i still got stuck
MSmits: you need a loop, get the tallest mountain, output it
FuSheng: oh im on the ascii art puzzle
dbdr: wth MSmits?
MSmits: ah ok
FuSheng: i remember the horror of being stuck on the mountain
FuSheng: remember the other day
MSmits: dbdr... this was 2 years ago when i couldnt do much :P
dbdr: long time to do a very easy puzzle, but top 1-3 on many multis :D
MSmits: i got confused by the double loop
MSmits: the first while loop being the input loop
dbdr: well, if that trend continues, we can all go home ;)
eulerscheZahl: i didn't enjoy ascii art and chuck norris
MSmits: :)
eulerscheZahl: not really stuck but unmotivated to do string manipulation
dbdr: yeah that's something else
struct: I hate string puzzles
FuSheng: wait
AntiSquid: i did bruce lee before i did chuck norris and for some reason chuck norris one felt harder :p
FuSheng: ascii art is hard
FuSheng: :(
FuSheng: uhh can i just use this lol
FuSheng: import datetime
FuSheng: print(datetime.datetime.now())
FuSheng: wew dark mode feels better
MadKnight: it sure does
FuSheng: damnit ima go back to descent mountains
BioLampshadeFromTheSwamps_299c: hi everyone
MadKnight: hi bio lampshade
BioLampshadeFromTheSwamps_299c: i'm looking for information on a design pattern
BioLampshadeFromTheSwamps_299c: I saw the implementation on a test but couldn't figure out which one it was
BioLampshadeFromTheSwamps_299c: i remember in the code they called the class driver and they tested if a file existed then it was loaded, if not an exception was thrown
reCurse: MSmits have you been able to identify the features leading to RPS in oware?
MSmits: reCurse not really, I didnt watch many games. It's just that whenever I found a good value for any parameter, if i micro-fit it (changes < 1%) I get wildly differing results, especially in regards to fitness vs Robo
MSmits: it is true for almost any parameter
FuSheng: zzzzzzzzzzzxxxzxzxzxzxzxzxzx
FuSheng: why does codingame look so hard
MSmits: it doesnt really happen when a parameter has a bad value. But as soon as it gets closer to the best fit for that particular local maximum, it starts to really vary in winrate
FuSheng: is there any other website that has stuff like this :c
reCurse: Ok I was hoping you had a better idea what difference in play leads to such unstability
MSmits: no. I usually start to understand the game better when i start running a meta mcts, but you dont want me to :P
reCurse: I ran a whole arena over all my ML checkpoints and while it's really stable, batches vs you and robo vary wildly
reCurse: My experiment with trying to diminish exploitation results in weaker play too
MSmits: weird
reCurse: Also learns a lot slower
MSmits: is that similar to using SA with a slower temperature change?
reCurse: I found a checkpoint that's slightly better in arena
reCurse: It's 90% vs you and robo
reCurse: So far anyway
MadKnight: anyone getting random timeouts ?
reCurse: Yeah
MSmits: What you really need is to submit that and have me overfit it again. If I dont succeed that time, then your good
MSmits: you're
FuSheng: OH MY GOD I FINISHED 1 TESTCASE LOL
MSmits: grats :P
FuSheng: ok crap now im failing the second one
reCurse: I'm more curious at what's going on tbh
MSmits: me too... we discussed it a few times here. Me and Astrobytes mostly. There is something weird about this game
AntiSquid: i test cased the finish
reCurse: I'm not interested enough to study the game too
reCurse: If it was something visual like a physics game then sure
reCurse: But abstract games like that, ugh
MSmits: I think it may be related to the fact that it is so simple as to be almost solvable
FuSheng: wait how does
reCurse: At least it's not uttt
FuSheng: thor is so weird
MSmits: uttt doesnt have this problem though :)
MSmits: the only overfitting you can do is a counter opening book
FuSheng: lol im just printing "E to make it go straight
reCurse: Maybe I should create a NN for the first 20 moves and another for the rest
MSmits: That could be a good idea in general
reCurse: Lots of things to try but not enough compute power
MSmits: if you are only using, say 30% of the code size, make one for the early, mid and late game
Astrobytes: endgames are weird
Astrobytes: Well, different
reCurse: The problem I have is it's too specific
reCurse: I'd like to find solutions that are not too arbitrary
Astrobytes: "make one for the early, mid and late game" - sounds like the best thing to try
reCurse: But right now I think it's wasting too much time with the end game
AntiSquid: what's the full secret passcode for c++ bots? i have
- pragma GCC optimize "O3,mavx2,omit-frame-pointer,inline,unroll-loops"
MSmits: wasting too much time training?
AntiSquid: just realized i left it @_@
reCurse: I'm sure 80%+ of my resources are dedicated to endgame
MSmits: or searching?
reCurse: Everything
FuSheng: nooooooooo i dont understand thor game :(
MSmits: use a solver
reCurse: Playing them out, learning them, etc
MSmits: i think it might actually help here
reCurse: There are endgames which can't be solved
FuSheng: OH MY GOD THERES CARD GAMES ON CODINGAME
reCurse: Not without spending too much anyway
reCurse: Can you stop spamming FuSheng
MSmits: i mean solve them near the turn limit, many games go to 200
FuSheng: ok sorry
MSmits: my bot solves them 25-30 turns before the end
reCurse: Sure when there's a solution
MSmits: should say plies
reCurse: There's a lot of time spent on unsolvable games
MSmits: there always is, with a turn limit
reCurse: If the turn limit was pushed to 1k it would be even more waste
MSmits: yes it would
reCurse: Getting rid of that condition would speed up training by at least 10x I think
MSmits: could be
reCurse: Either that or like I said I just train on first 20 moves
MSmits: you might be teaching it the best way to keep into an 48 seed loop
MSmits: and not know what to do with less than 48 seeds
reCurse: For all I know it's spending all its time learning the fine difference between having 3 seeds left and 4 seeds left
MSmits: and your opponent will make a mistake
reCurse: When it doesn't matter
MSmits: thats possible
MSmits: you could do the following
reCurse: I need my own server farm
MSmits: instead of first 20 moves
MSmits: stop at a seed limit
MSmits: say, stop at 20 seeds
MSmits: left
reCurse: But how do I determine winner
MSmits: from the score ?
MSmits: you might end up with a bad board layout ofc...
reCurse: There's tons of games where the winner is behind the whole game
MSmits: but just doing the first 20 turns is just as bad
reCurse: Even if I train on 20 I still need to playout the whole game ugh
MSmits: ok, do this then
MSmits: keep track of states
MSmits: as soon as one repeats, it's a draw
MSmits: games end on loops immediately
reCurse: I'm afraid it will learn how to avoid losses
reCurse: With a mechanism that doesnt exist
dbdr: you don't control the opponent
reCurse: It would be less of a problem if at 200 turns the game would always end as a draw
reCurse: Maybe just use current score then
reCurse: shru
reCurse: g
dbdr: if the opponent chooses to get back to the same state
dbdr: it does not look like he is winning
reCurse: Ohh
MSmits: oh right, that's what I should have said
reCurse: Alphago used self resignation
MSmits: on repeated state, higher score wins
dbdr: that might be the reverse problem
dbdr: the guy ahead choses the loop then :)
MSmits: the thing is, if both sides decide to loop, then they dont expect to gain any more score out of the rest of the game
dbdr: so intuitively I would count a loop as a draw
MSmits: no, as a win for the one with most score
reCurse: Is that detectable from a state?
reCurse: Instead of a sequence
dbdr: disagreed based on what we just said
MSmits: it's not detectable from a state
dbdr: you can include the set of previous state hashes into the state
dbdr: then it is :)
MSmits: but from any state, the future score change does not depend on the past states, only the current state
MSmits: except when the turn limit comes into play
reCurse: Maybe I should just trust my AI when it says it's over
reCurse: And allow it to kneel
MSmits: what do you mean says it's over?
dbdr: but what if it hasn't learned yet?
reCurse: If it estimates chances of winning is at 5%
MSmits: oh ok
dbdr: the estimate is random at first
MSmits: it may learn to lie about that :P
reCurse: Sure, just let it kick in after a while
reCurse: Might not even matter if it's random too
reCurse: Results are random at first anyway
dbdr: sure
reCurse: Lie about that?
reCurse: No it just confirms its beliefs
reCurse: It won't get surprised
reCurse: If the theory that the game is decided on the first half holdds
reCurse: Then it's a net benefit
dbdr: you can constrain the evaluation to be symmetrical no?
reCurse: Already did
MSmits: hmm, well I am not sure how your process works, but if you're going to give it the win if it thinks it has 95% chance to win, it might learn to tell you that when it isnt true
dbdr: then it cannot lie
reCurse: No it's the other way around
reCurse: If it doesn't see a chance of winning it resigns
MSmits: oh ok
MSmits: btw I am currently doing cg bench to finish up langtons ant. Only 3 params. Want to get them to a good value before I quit
MSmits: dont think it'll beat Redstrike, but it'll be a very strong second
MSmits: then i'll get back to experimenting a bit with oware. I won't keep overfitting though. I just want to leave it where it's strong before i move on from that as well
reCurse: I thought I already did that...
MSmits: did what?
reCurse: Leave it where it's strong before moving on
MSmits: well your bot really wasn't strong than Robo's. It was just stronger vs Robo imho... they were almost on par otherwise. I'm guessing it is now though
reCurse: This is entirely distracting me from FB too
reCurse: You keep saying my bots aren't as strong as whoever else is competing :P
MSmits: i mean what i did was, i tried A LOT of parameter combinations
MSmits: robo was harder to beat most of the time
MSmits: and you already noticed it is easy to overfit vs someone
MSmits: dont you think your previous version was a bit overfitted vs Robo?
reCurse: How could I tell
MSmits: you can't, but all i am saying is, your 60 something % winrate vs robo doesnt say much
reCurse: Also it can't overfit vs robo because it doesn't learn vs him
MSmits: it can still end up with a framework that works better vs him than the other way around without being objectively stronger
reCurse: You're tuning your params according to benches
reCurse: My AI is tuning its params according to itself
reCurse: Huge difference
MSmits: I know
MSmits: but it still ends up with a structure that may be weaker to some and stronger vs others
MSmits: even if it is not intentional
MSmits: rps happens whether you want it or not :)
MSmits: I actually have had versions that lost 95% of games vs Robo and won 55% vs you
MSmits: and not just with 1 value either... in a range of param values
MSmits: but it's moot now, you've improved your NN
reCurse: Maybe your params were naturally more predisposed to overfitting my bot
reCurse: Who knows
MSmits: completely possible
reCurse: That's why I wanted more game insight
MSmits: honestly I dont think this game is much easier to understand than uttt :P
reCurse: Well it has score for one
PatrickMcGinnisII: just fyi MSmits running the minmax on UTTT small boards took 3s on my machine, and would never complete in under 1s on CG
MSmits: sucks PatrickMcGinnisII :(
PatrickMcGinnisII: stupid php
MSmits: true reCurse, but as you noticed, you can have 5 points vs 20 and still win because you're hogging all the seeds
PatrickMcGinnisII: so I then tried to put the results in a constant and kept getting codesize too big
reCurse: The simple fact AI can learn something vs not at all for uttt
reCurse: Makes me think there's something readable
MSmits: it's also a simpler game. If you had more resources, you could probably do the same for uttt
MSmits: i mean both locally and on cg servers
PatrickMcGinnisII: So i shrunk it to 44k, and then ran into line break issues in the ide
MSmits: awari is actually solved, the only thing our oware has thats different is the handling of loops and the turn limit
PatrickMcGinnisII: so now I can autohandle small board decisions
MSmits: i think uttt is slightly more complex than checkers
dbdr: PatrickMcGinnisII don't you want to use a different, faster language?
PatrickMcGinnisII: so until i evolve my big board ai, I'm stuck at 2nd place in wood
MSmits: i told him many times dbdr. He likes php and the challenge
PatrickMcGinnisII: yes, is a challenge
dbdr: you have the spirit to do golf :)
MSmits: dbdr are you good at regular multis? you seem to really excel at golf, optims and such
PatrickMcGinnisII: So a few days of fumbling around and I finally am getting from cp from uttt
PatrickMcGinnisII: cp from
dbdr: well, you can check my results, MSmits. I have a few good ranks in multi, less than optim and golf indeed
PatrickMcGinnisII: i thought my simple approach would get me silver....stupid boss is blocking me
PatrickMcGinnisII: golf even sucks for php
MSmits: I play those board games specifically, i dont see you there too often. I am guessing you did a lot of those older multis and did well
dbdr: I had a lot to learn, and using Rust is obviously better than Java to get that last bit of performance
PatrickMcGinnisII: gold is the goal, but the game has been out so long the competition is stiff
MSmits: your bandas and breakthrough are good
dbdr: there are still many multis I haven't done seriously
MSmits: I'll try to beat you at breakthrough in the near future... it seems like a real challenge. No easy way to make a good bot
dbdr: even more true for you MSmits ;)
PatrickMcGinnisII: how do yall get large datasets (<100k) into your CG bots?
MSmits: well for me it's hard to do them half seriously
MSmits: so it's not at all, or all the way
MSmits: most multis are completely untouched
dbdr: kind of same, but it also depends on the game
dbdr: I'm gold in codebusters with a simple heuristic
MSmits: PatrickMcGinnisII you can do max 200k if you encode it with unicode characters
dbdr: CSB too of course :)
MSmits: I should do one of those heuristics for an old multi and get Dutchie nr 1 :)
MSmits: counterBalance still has it
PatrickMcGinnisII: unicode, hmmm...ahh 2 bytes per char....I just used the 88 web safe chars
MSmits: it gets messy pretty quickly if you try to use the full unicode range
PatrickMcGinnisII: i should say, php safe
MSmits: some of that stuff doesnt copy-paste properly
MSmits: invalid characters
dbdr: worse than that, it's not legal characters
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: you can send it still
PatrickMcGinnisII: i stuck with $symbols="0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!#%()*+,-.:;<=>?@[]^_`{|}~";
PatrickMcGinnisII: for encode/decode
MSmits: not sure how, re curse did it, others too
reCurse: Copy/paste works on invalid chars
MSmits: didnt work last time i tried...
dbdr: any value from 0 to 65536 as binary? I doubt it
reCurse: Then you did it wrong
MSmits: that's possible
MSmits: might be my operating system?
MSmits: or something?
MSmits: browser?
MSmits: not sure what controls the clipboard tbh
reCurse: No good software would risk corrupting your data because it thinks it's invalid
PatrickMcGinnisII: hmmm, extended codes would have worked too i guess
MSmits: so you're using bad software reCurse?
reCurse: No?
MSmits: :confused:
Uljahn: can you submit via handcrafted request to api?
reCurse: Why would a good software change data on your behalf because it thinks it's invalid
reCurse: It will just treat the char as invalid and keep it
dbdr: because it's the correct thing to do?
reCurse: ...
dbdr: as per the standard
MSmits: I have no opinion on this as I have no ideas of the pros and cons. Pasting unicode stuff into the CG IDE is not exactly what systems are designed around
PatrickMcGinnisII: i still think only 215 of the standard codes are gonna interpret correctly
reCurse: Anyway, all of the software I use correctly keeps invalid characters through copy/paste and whatnot
MSmits: ah ok
dbdr: you don't control what softare CG uses
reCurse: I don't even
reCurse: What
dbdr: the data goes through many layers
dbdr: maybe we don't speak about the same thing
PatrickMcGinnisII: CG chat breaks on alot of weird combos
MSmits: but apparently the CG controlled layers dont corrupt the data dbdr
MSmits: otherwise reCurse wouldnt be able to do it
MSmits: so it must be on my end
reCurse: If it sees an invalid codepoint why would it delete the character
reCurse: That makes no sense
reCurse: Nothing does that
PatrickMcGinnisII: but the ide accepts alot more
dbdr: https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/fffd/index.htm
reCurse: That's for display purposes
dbdr: there's a unicode character designed for that especially
reCurse: Not data
dbdr: no
MSmits: it doesnt delete the character, it creates a ? with a box around it or something
MSmits: so it changes it
dbdr: "used to replace an incoming character whose value is unknown or unrepresentable in Unicode
compare the use of U+001A <https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/001a/index.htm> as a control character to indicate the substitute function"
dbdr: *replace*
MSmits: that sounds like what happens in my case
reCurse: For display
dbdr: reCurse: are you checksumming the data? if you use it for weights, it's possible you get garbage in those rare cases :)
dbdr: and don't know about it
PatrickMcGinnisII: �
MSmits: that would be an interesting bug lol
reCurse: Yes it's 100% valid
reCurse: Because it would make no sense for a transport layer to change its data because it thinks a codepoint is invalid, when it could be valid in the future
reCurse: Makes 0.0000% sense
PatrickMcGinnisII: i can represent a 26 bit number with 4 characters and 88 symbols
MSmits: I should try it again at some point. Last time i tried it was with C#, that probably doesnt matter though
reCurse: That's the very definition of unicode to be extensible
reCurse: Deprecating data would be senseless
dbdr: some codepoints are guaranteed to be invalid
dbdr: that won't change
dbdr: why do you think they defined those?
reCurse: Doesn't mean it's safe to replace them?
PatrickMcGinnisII: so utf16 works in CG?
MSmits: you know... it seems easy to prove doesnt it? reCurse says he proved it works. dbdr now you try it. Let me know if you succeed :)
reCurse: Not utf16
reCurse: utf8
dbdr: utf8, sure
dbdr: but that can take many bytes per character
reCurse: That's the whole point
reCurse: CG counts characters not bytes
struct: yah
dbdr: utf8 is binary, not characters
dbdr: we are mixing everything :D
PatrickMcGinnisII: reCurse, hell to the yea, i get it now
dbdr: CG counts UCS2 units, I think.
PatrickMcGinnisII: i still think there are weird combos to avoid, care to clue us in reCurse?
reCurse: No
reCurse: It counts UTF8 characters
dbdr: given to us for legacy reason from the time where there were less than 2^16 unicode codepoints
dbdr: absolutely not
darkhorse64: Using PHP on UTT is like bashing your head with a hammer and pretending it's good because when you stop you feel better
dbdr: "UTF8 character" does not make sense
struct: Using PHP is like ...*
struct: Fixed
PatrickMcGinnisII: tx darkhorse
reCurse: Number of codepoints if you prefer
reCurse: Come on
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm finally getting some CP in php in uttt
dbdr: but there are more than 2^16 codepoints
PatrickMcGinnisII: :p
MSmits: how do you get cp in wood PatrickMcGinnisII?
reCurse: So?
darkhorse64: PHP uses $ to pretend it's a rich language
dbdr: can you pack more then 100K * 2 bytes?
PatrickMcGinnisII: MSmits just got to be in top 1000 for cp
MSmits: ah
dbdr: it's not codepoints either
dbdr: my guess is their backend is all Java, so they just count length of java String objects
dbdr: which is UCS2 encoded
PatrickMcGinnisII: still .11 points from silver...stupid boss
reCurse: Pretty much
reCurse: And it won't replace invalid characters
reCurse: To come back to the original point
darkhorse64: There is an achievement to code horse duals in bash, there should be onz for TTT in PHP
MSmits: well i'm encouraged by your conviction. I will give it another try if I run out of codespace next time I try to make an opening book for a multi. thanks reCurse :)
MSmits: though running out of codespace doing that seems very hard
reCurse: Haven't had that problem
PatrickMcGinnisII: hmm, how many 26bit data points can you pack in CG with unicode?
dbdr: reCurse: I think we are speaking too generally to be clear. do you want to clarify what technique you use?
dbdr: or is it a trade secret? :)
reCurse: Well it used to be, but not anymore because I keep getting involved in discussions
dbdr: your choice
PatrickMcGinnisII: hahahaha
PatrickMcGinnisII: i would get there eventually...next year
reCurse: I'll just say put codepoints to get a lot more than 8 bits per character
dbdr: given almost all characters is valid, it does not matter much if it's 99% or 100%, does not give a measurable advantage
dbdr: i'm rather curious from the correctness point of view
reCurse: All I can say is I'm using invalid codepoints and it has never mattered
dbdr: sure
reCurse: And upon further thinking it would make no sense for it to matter
dbdr: are you saying you get exactly 16 bits per character?
MSmits: or more than that?
reCurse: You can't get more than 16 bits because of what dbdr said
reCurse: But in theory you could
reCurse: If java ever supports more for instance
dbdr: it all depends how CG counts, doesn't it
PatrickMcGinnisII: it reminds me of md5
reCurse: 99% sure CG only does string.length
dbdr: yeah, I think the same
MSmits: allright, getting some food, ttyl
PatrickMcGinnisII: still have to put in linebreaks, ide hates long data
reCurse: Hehe yeah
dbdr: the thing, I don't think you can paste byte 0 in your IDE, can you? or send it through the API
PatrickMcGinnisII: crap, my gf is off work... gotta make the bed. ;)
PatrickMcGinnisII: laterz, good stuff reCurse
reCurse: You want to avoid control characters sure
dbdr: I though you said all characters get through
dbdr: except those that don't? ;)
PatrickMcGinnisII: maybe i will leave chat open, recurse might spill some more...gj dbdr
reCurse: Well even control characters shouldn't matter tbh
reCurse: It's just software tend to attach meaning to them
reCurse: But it's not an encoding issue
reCurse: Completely different
reCurse: It's not because of invalidity but because of meaning attached to it
JBM: awwwww missed an encoding debate again :(
JBM: so what's the consensus? CG just counts codepoints?
reCurse: Yes
JBM: with no normalization?
dbdr: UCS2 units, not Unicode codepoints
dbdr: welcome to the chat JBM :D
JBM: i'm like feeling 10 years younger
dbdr: just added level of complexity, we were missing that ;)
JBM: debating that on the early days of the golfing stackexchange
dbdr: doesn't golf usually count bytes?
dbdr: outside of CG?
JBM: multiple sites, multiple rulesets
JBM: and bytes still need an encoding
dbdr: yes. you could restrict to ASCII, honestly. or UTF8 bytes
JBM: ucs-2 doesn't seem to tolerate emoji, does it?
dbdr: you use two of them for one unicode codepoint
JBM: ugh
JBM: wasn't that encoding supposed to be a mistake that should have died years ago?
dbdr: actually that's UTF-16
dbdr: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-16#Code_points_from_U+010000_to_U+10FFFF
dbdr: mistakes never die
JBM: well if ucs-2 does the same, it's no better
dbdr: UCS-2 just does not support them, it seems
dbdr: otherwise they're essentially the same
JBM: so ucs-2 is just a list of unicode codepoints, laid out with whatever byte order, excluding anything out of the BMP?
dbdr: I think the word pretty much converged on utf-8 where space matters, and utf-32 when you want constant time indexing
JBM: yes, that's where i was
dbdr: but you still need to support all the choices made earlier
JBM: with ucs-2 supposed to be dead “doesn"t handle unicode” and utf-16 “useless compromise”
struct: I just use the chars available on my keyboard
struct: and I think it will remain this way
JBM: that's not much
JBM: unless you've got a 16-bit keyboard
dbdr: 1 bit keyboard with two keys
JBM: ctrl and alt?
dbdr: you can type anything
dbdr: 0 and 1
JBM: lemme summon chuckie
PatrickMcGinnisII: yall ain't right in the head
PatrickMcGinnisII: \u0079\u0061\u006c\u006c \u0061\u0069\u006e\u0027\u0074 \u0072\u0069\u0067\u0068\u0074 \u0069\u006e \u0074\u0068\u0065 \u0068\u0065\u0061\u0064
AntiSquid: MadKnight ban this spammer ^
dbdr: MadKnight ban this banner ^
struct: ban me instead
ThePythonian: Why not ban everyone?
dbdr: /ban *
ThePythonian: del server
AntiSquid: no need to del server
AntiSquid: they are burning when new league opens
Astrobytes: Or someone promotes in CSB
dbdr: Astrobytes: thanks for mentioning Peep Show
dbdr: I like it
dbdr: similar humour, but more weird :D
Astrobytes: dbdr it really is their finest work imo
dbdr: reminds me a bit of the UK Office
Astrobytes: Style-wise, for sure yeah
Astrobytes: And equally cringe-based humour
dbdr: exactly
dbdr: some internal monologues are just incredibly funny
Astrobytes: Ohhh yeah :D
AntiSquid: MadKnight are you there?
Uljahn: has it something common with Monty Python?
Astrobytes: Quite different humour Uljahn, though I love Monty Python
dbdr: I'm sure MP had some influence on them still
dbdr: but they have their own style, definitely
Astrobytes: Pythons influenced almost every UK comedy, and beyond
dbdr: yeah :)
dbdr: also Fry and Laurie
Astrobytes: Definitely
Astrobytes: You've also seen the Blackadder series'?
dbdr: yeah, but I didn't get that much into it
Astrobytes: Some series are better than others, but it can be wickedly funny
dbdr: I tried a few episodes in the 17th century or sth, and a few 1st word war
Astrobytes: I guess it's quite British humour, even though it's ripping the p*ss out of the British establishment through the ages
dbdr: I love british humour
dbdr: but yeah, maybe this one has more references to specifically british things
Astrobytes: It's certainly quite unique :)
Astrobytes: True
Astrobytes: Like Prime Minister William Pitt the Younger is actually portrayed as a young boy in Blackadder, just based on "the Younger"
Astrobytes: Lots of little things that are easy to miss
Astrobytes: Twists on historical facts, characters etc
MSmits: is the humor in last week tonight by John Oliver typical British humor?
MSmits: if so, then I really like it too
Astrobytes: Yeah, mostly. Tweaked a bit for American/worldwide audiences but at heart yeah
MSmits: cool
Astrobytes: He is good
MSmits: very, I remember when i he did the daily show for a few months
MSmits: he was almost as good as jon stewart and better than trevor noah
Astrobytes: Yep me too. Jon Stewart was a hard act to follow
Astrobytes: I'd almost forgotten about Trevor, lol. HE just wasn't all that
MSmits: um he is still doing it :P
Astrobytes: I know, I stopped
Astrobytes: Watching, that is
MSmits: ahh ok, I still watch it, but only because there isnt a better alternative on the air here. I have to see other shows on YT
MSmits: like colbert, seth meyers, jimmy kimmel. I prefer those
MSmits: conan is awesome too
Astrobytes: I very rarely watch anything on the TV
MSmits: same
Astrobytes: Well, I hook it up to the PC and watch stuff but you know what I mean
MSmits: yea
MSmits: trevor noah's stand up is actually quite good
MSmits: I just dont think he's that great of a late show host
Astrobytes: Haven't checked his standup, but he's a pretty wooden host
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: try some netflix specials of his, you wont regret it
MSmits: bill burr cracks me up more though
MSmits: and ricky gervais
MSmits: ricky's stand up is the best I've ever seen
Astrobytes: Cool. Gervais is good, haven't seen any of Bill Burr's
Astrobytes: I grew up watching Billy Connolly standup
Astrobytes: *standup shows before I get a smart comment :P
MSmits: Bill Burr is like Seinfeld commenting on stupid daily stuff only it is less being annoyed and more raging about it
MSmits: very politically incorrect
MSmits: also
MSmits: dont know bill Connoly
Astrobytes: Famous Scottish comedian, look up some of his old classic performances. Very un-PC but extremely funny
Astrobytes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30IOKP2GcjY
MSmits: can't really understand what he's saying
MSmits: automatic subtitles gets all the words wrong also
Astrobytes: Seriously? He's quite polite
MSmits: it's not about politeness
Astrobytes: Accent-wise
MSmits: well it's too much for me =/ I love the accent, I just dont know what he's sayin
Astrobytes: (easier to understand) but he does get into some Weegie language
Astrobytes: (Glaswegian)
MSmits: ahh
Astrobytes: Maybe look up his international shows, he's less colloquial-scots in those
MSmits: i was thinking Wookiiee
Astrobytes: lol
struct: A bit hard to understand
struct: But I can manage
dbdr: This guy really knows how to tell a joke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oseqh7SMIvo
Astrobytes: Billy's a wonderful storyteller, very Celtic way of being funny
MSmits: I must have watched every talk show appearance by Norm several times now :P
MSmits: he's most funny on talk shows
MSmits: outside of that, he's ok, but brilliant on those late night talk shows, mostly conna
MSmits: conan
Astrobytes: ffs, punchline was lame but how he got there was great :D
Astrobytes: Nicely done
MSmits: all his jokes are like that
MSmits: the moth joke is famous
Astrobytes: Will check him out
MSmits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUjIM-GFWhk
Astrobytes: FOR F*CKS SAKE
dbdr: yeah, the moth one is pretty good! didn't know it
Astrobytes: Dear oh dear. Love it
Astrobytes: Like his style
dbdr: I get the feeling he might be slightly high, no?
MSmits: he speaks that way
MSmits: someone animated the moth joke also
Astrobytes: Nah he ain't high
dbdr: maybe he speaks like this when he's high ;)
MSmits: anyway, watching norm appearances is one of the things i do when i am too tired from work to do any coding
Astrobytes: Nice. I pet my cats and contemplate my existential dread :P
MSmits: sounds like a reasonable alternative
Astrobytes: :D
AntiSquid: hey for cgbench :
20:05:14,355 FATAL Error while retrieving account cookie and session
java.lang.IllegalStateException: Login failed, please check login/pwd in configuration
AntiSquid: i don't get it @_@
AntiSquid: the login is correct
MSmits: we can check it for you
MSmits: :P
Astrobytes: lul
AntiSquid: sure i give you an alt
MSmits: no no
MSmits: i have had this sometimes
Astrobytes: it's a session issue no
Astrobytes: ?
AntiSquid: so what should i do ?
MSmits: i think maybe it is more likely to happen when you login to the website and back out, or maybe when you run other games during the batch
MSmits: not sure
MSmits: does it happen every time:
MSmits: ?
AntiSquid: yes
Astrobytes: Yeah, I've always cleaned cache/cookies and stayed logged out when I've run bench, not sure if that is necessary
AntiSquid: does it need to be specific email address ?
MSmits: your e-mail adress is the login isnt it
AntiSquid: i mean from certain providers
MSmits: oh, nah if you can login here, you can login through cgbench
Astrobytes: Yeah as long as it's a valid CG account it's cool
dbdr: well, do you ever need to relogin?
dbdr: I never seem to get logged out
AntiSquid: which browser does it try to access though ?
AntiSquid: or it's not via browser ?
MSmits: probably not
AntiSquid: i mean why else would i have to log out
MSmits: no i meant, clicking logout may do something server-side that invalidates your cg bench cookie
MSmits: if you dont do that, then i have no idea what happens
MSmits: Astrobytes I am fitting langtons ant parameters now. It's such a relief to have a coherent result for once
MSmits: https://imgur.com/a/Bb3efvT
MSmits: my next dot falls right on that line also
Astrobytes: yay, no wildly varying periodic madness
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: can't get close to Redstrike with it I think though, but that's ok. Ill fit what I have and then it's time for Onitama I think
Astrobytes: Don't imagine there would be for Langton's. I haven't looked at Langton's lb, how far ahead is he? I'm going back to Oware when I'm better.
MSmits: he's extremely far ahead. Even more so than the NN's in oware if that's possible
Astrobytes: wow, what's he using?
MSmits: no idea, but he uses java, so I am pretty sure it is just a good algorithm or a magic heuristic somewhere
MSmits: I think he spent a lot of time experimenting
Astrobytes: Interesting. I'd guess it involves heavy pruning
MSmits: I'm also heavily pruning, in fact that parameter I just shared is the pruning parameter
MSmits: the number is how many moves I consider
Astrobytes: It's necessary in Langton's for sure, but he must be doing some very clever pruning
MSmits: maybe, I thought mine was pretty much common sense
MSmits: it's just the available cells in the ants path
Astrobytes: That's the most logical yeah
MSmits: He might be doing something in the last few plies
MSmits: langtons ant really hinges on the last few cells colored
MSmits: because often the ant goes off into an empty area and make a whole lot of cells one color at the end
Astrobytes: Right, yeah that's a good point
MSmits: But for me, not worth spending two weeks experimenting just to try and achieve 2 -> 1
Astrobytes: I've not really gone deep enough into it to comment much further but that I have definitely notices
Astrobytes: *noticed
MSmits: onitama caught my eye because it is very bitboardable. I did not know that
Astrobytes: That's one of euler's multis right?
MSmits: Yeah
Astrobytes: Are you done with checkers now then?
MSmits: Oh yeah, I could have done 2 more things. Write a better eval and switch to a different search
MSmits: different search would be too much work
MSmits: and better eval... well... I didnt feel like doing another oware
Astrobytes: You went MCTS EPT on checkers?
MSmits: it also feels like less of an achievement with a game thats less popular in CG and done to death outside CG
MSmits: yes I did
Astrobytes: Interesting.
MSmits: very raw implementation. I think I could easily get 4 with it. But the top 3 are very far ahead
Astrobytes: Well, not really. CG versions of games are often very different because of the time constraints
MSmits: true
MSmits: I was speaking more of the game itself, the bots would be different of course
MSmits: also, people overestimate how easy it is to find good free bots by google, for checkers
MSmits: you can find opening books though
MSmits: but then you need to make a selection, which is so much work, you may as well write your own meta mcts fo rit
Astrobytes: Where's the fun in finding a bot to copy?
MSmits: i wouldnt copy a bot, but i do like finding ideas for a good eval
Astrobytes: Oh for sure yeah
Astrobytes: brb
struct: I enjoy seeing others code
struct: Seeing how the implemented stuff and such
MSmits: ah, not me, i have trouble reading it somehow
struct: When I'm done with CSB I'll send you a copy
MSmits: maybe because I have a totally different style than most? I dont code collaboratively
struct: Me neither
MSmits: struct ohhh, that is one thing I would really like. A working AVX sim for csb
MSmits: I'd spend the time trying to understand that
MSmits: would not need to see the whole bot, just the avx calcs would be fine :)
struct: The only hard part is the collisions/bounces tbh
MSmits: maybe once i see it work, I could figure out how to use it in other places
struct: rest is preety straight forward
MSmits: yeah I just need a more complicated example than those squareroots by Marchete. Mind you, they were useful, but its not the same
struct: Well it does have if elses
MSmits: cant really avoid that
MSmits: i did some coding for compute shaders. If elses hurt a lot there too, but as long as there is a net-gain it is ok
struct: From now I just need to focus on making it work
struct: and ditch peformance
Astrobytes: Yeah I don't mind seeing people's code, always learn something
struct: I mean, stop pre opptimizing
Astrobytes: oh chat scroll
Astrobytes: Yes struct, do that
struct: I was trying AVX to gather stuff from array[]
struct: but AVX performance is similar to for loop 8 times
Astrobytes: yeah, multiple simulataneous operations. Just the loading/unloading overhead you need t obe concerned about iiuc
Astrobytes: *simultaneous
struct: Is just that it does this
struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/dfe5a9cb-4a8c-4f67-9773-71fd195a45ee
AntiSquid: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/555b9b98-ab9a-43d7-8fe0-f2918a605c24
AntiSquid: i don't get it
Astrobytes: No idea what I'm looking at struct
AntiSquid: turned off AV to see it maybe blocks
MSmits: ok, i have maybe a long shot
MSmits: AntiSquid
MSmits: one time I had problems with the encoding of the text file the program is in
MSmits: if I ran it straight from the file VS uses
struct: https://software.intel.com/en-us/cpp-compiler-developer-guide-and-reference-mm-i32gather-ps-mm256-i32gather-ps
MSmits: so I copied it in a text file with a different encoding and the error stopped
struct: Basicly you pass indexes
AntiSquid: the config file?
struct: and array
MSmits: the code file
struct: then you get data from that array on those indexes
AntiSquid: ahm but it bugs at login
AntiSquid: it doesn't even reach that point you mentioned
MSmits: oh, that last thing you pasted seemed different
MSmits: i thought you had a different error now
AntiSquid: nah
AntiSquid: struggling with login lol
AntiSquid: tried diff mail providers
MSmits: are you trying to use multiple alts to run more cg batches?
MSmits: you mentioned alts earlier
Astrobytes: OK struct, yep, makes sense.
Astrobytes: The fact it's slower/as slow as a loop must be the loading/unloading. MSmits help
struct: its a bit faster
MSmits: eh, i am no expert, but i know that if you try to load it from a source with data that is spread out, it's going to be slow
struct: but only like 20-30%
MSmits: you can load sequential data very quickly
Astrobytes: 20-30% is not significant?
MSmits: normally you'd get 200-300%
MSmits: if your avx is doing well
struct: Even more
struct: Can even go above 500%
Astrobytes: OK
Astrobytes: But yeah, given how it works loading fragmented data isn't gonna work well
MSmits: thats why my AVX-ed ucb1 code didnt work
MSmits: I was gathering visit counts from separate nodes
Astrobytes: Yep, that makes sense
MSmits: even though the nodes were sequential (being siblings), they were also larger objects with other stuff in between
MSmits: like wincounts, indices etc.
struct: was performance worse?
MSmits: almost the same. slightly worse than the fastest way I could do it
MSmits: the fastest way being a lookup
MSmits: but i dont use lookups now
Astrobytes: Absolutely, yeah. Is there any way to make that contiguous? I don't think there is
MSmits: so it's about the same
MSmits: you can make it contiguous by ruining other parts of the code and making those slower
struct: why no more lookups?
MSmits: i hated having an artificial limit on visit counts
Astrobytes: lol, doesn't sound like the best tradeoff
struct: I thought cache misses
MSmits: cache misses hurt, but apparently not enough to make lookups slower
MSmits: in this case
dbdr: struct, compilers also know how to use AVX automatically sometimes
dbdr: in that case you will get no boost from doing it by hand
MSmits: the thing is, even though you may have 500k visits, you only use the first part of the array a lot, so cache misses may be less painful
dbdr: because it's the same code
struct: oh
struct: is this why?
dbdr: it could be
dbdr: depends on the case
MSmits: not in my case
dbdr: that's what you can tell if you look at the asm
MSmits: I was doing a special inverse squareroot for avx that was faster because it has less accuracy
struct: special?
struct: I will look at it dbd r
MSmits: yeah, it uses half sized floats
MSmits: 16 bit floats
MSmits: dont remember the details
dbdr: isn't it the low precision inverse squareroot?
MSmits: one of them
struct: the clock cycles
struct: of the instruct of gather
struct: are quite high
Astrobytes: Just read that as "the dock cycles of the instinct of father"... Probably time to leave CG
MSmits: go get some sleep :P
Astrobytes: feck that, Picard night
Astrobytes: Illness be damned
MSmits: hf with mr :poop:
Astrobytes: lol, not going just yet
Astrobytes: I'll just read the chat very carefully for now
MSmits: gewd eye dea
Astrobytes: 'lul'
Astrobytes: :P
MSmits: :open_mouth:
Astrobytes: You magic carpet has broken down you say? ;)
Astrobytes: *Your
MSmits: wrong song, thats a whole new world. That one doesnt impress me much
Astrobytes: Jeez man
Astrobytes: I feel there is a Shania Twain meme appropriate here but... no
MSmits: Yeah that one didnt impress me much either
Astrobytes: :smile:
MSmits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDNRjL7cY9w this one is better
AntiSquid: ok now i can finally bench vs Automaton2020
AntiSquid: Automaton2000
Astrobytes: MSmits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sk0W1_1sJ8
Automaton2000: i think it would work
MSmits: what was the bug AntiSquid
AntiSquid: multiple ones
MSmits: and why is everyone saying 2020 lately when pinging automaton
AntiSquid: asked neu man for help
AntiSquid: i use tab for autocompleting user names
AntiSquid: that thing keeps poping up
AntiSquid: someone trolling @_@
MSmits: argh my ears.... Astrobytes
AntiSquid: /ban Automaton2020
Astrobytes: MSmits as much as I would have given Shania one her voice is a different story :P
Astrobytes: and yes, that cover is atrocious
MSmits: yea
MSmits: btw Astrobytes, you asked how far Redstrike was ahead
MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/62cedbef-a67e-4c3d-8e72-deb5334854ed
MSmits: thats a cg bench. See how I am slaughtering the guys below me and how Redstrike is slaughtering me :P
Astrobytes: Ooft
MSmits: i cant even to a balanced test
MSmits: cuz noone is around my bot's strength
MSmits: do
AntiSquid: sharing a random song too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9XDGD-HA1Q
MSmits: did maddy pm you that AntiSquid
AntiSquid: no lol
AntiSquid: MadKnight has no taste
Astrobytes: Nice. They still around are they?
MSmits: maybe, but the stuff he pms me sounds the same :P
MSmits: it's loud
AntiSquid: it needs to be noisy, it's music .
AntiSquid: /s
MSmits: meh, there's levels of noisy
MSmits: I like it less
Astrobytes: MSmits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxJ5dmgIi0
MSmits: whyyyy
AntiSquid: MSmits i guess you prefer a soft female voice? https://youtu.be/1eZqMMQBXp8?t=130
Astrobytes: There would be no Rammstein if not for Ministry!
MSmits: AntiSquid that girl needs help
Astrobytes: lol AntiSquid
Astrobytes: MSmits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dc1Z4Z-8I
MSmits: :crying_cat_face:
AntiSquid: ok no bs this time, i actually do like this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0PMXNUY9mg
AntiSquid: but it's not what i usually listen to
MSmits: allright I am going to stop clicking on your links :P
AntiSquid: i usually just use shoutcast to listen to rnadom radio stations
Astrobytes: I like all the songs I posted bar the Still The One cover
AntiSquid: MSmits last link is legit
AntiSquid: if you don't like it, then you're like madao
AntiSquid: don't be madao
MSmits: well I like it in so far as I like screaming maniacs I encounter on the street
Astrobytes: AntiSquid sounds like Killswitch Engage or earlier Chimaira or something
Astrobytes: MSmits the one true classic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNhN6lT-y5U
AntiSquid: astro i don't know any of those ... i tend to just search 90s pop in about any language
Astrobytes: Oh I like at least something from just about every 'genre' of music. Not fussed on opera or modern pop/EDM though.
AntiSquid: MSmits give me some tips for best test results with cgbench, how do you go about it?
AntiSquid: oh yeah, i do listen to future funk i guess or whatever it's called, electro jazz ? too many random names but they are all similar
Astrobytes: Too much pigeonholing
AntiSquid: idk, they completely overlap imo
AntiSquid: is it possible to get AgentID of boss for cgbench ?
Astrobytes: Exactly, people need to categorise everything these days, let music be music
Astrobytes: Don't think so AntiSquid, rather - not that I know of
AntiSquid: that makes life bit more difficult then
AntiSquid: did we get rid of smits with our links?
Neumann: Yes you can
Astrobytes: Nah, MSmits will be cleansing his ears with some Naomi
struct: 2 people that were being diagnosed for coronavirus just escaped from the hospital
Astrobytes: O cool Neumann
AntiSquid: Neumann what's the agentid for boss ? (gold)
Neumann: AgentId : -2 is the boss of your league, or the defaultAI if in max league
Neumann: If you want to fight a boss from another league, you can also grab it's id from a replay of him
AntiSquid: ah ok thanks
Neumann: Gold of XMR ?
AntiSquid: yes
AntiSquid: stuck at the gates
Astrobytes: Did not know that, thanks
Neumann: 2223822
MSmits: back
MSmits: AntiSquid, if you want to fit params, start with short batches, maybe 100-200, spread them around the value you think is good
MSmits: then you'll probably see a curve coming, try more batches close to where you think it will peak and make those batches longer if necessary
AntiSquid: lots of params :/
MSmits: dont try to get too accurate at first
MSmits: switch params often
AntiSquid: maybe should have done a NN instead
MSmits: how many params, which game?
AntiSquid: XR
MSmits: I had very few params for XR
AntiSquid: about 20
struct: 20 params?
MSmits: wow
struct: wtf
AntiSquid: ya i had fewer ...
AntiSquid: but then i couldn't figure where i went wrong with my bot
MSmits: seems like i have about 5
AntiSquid: others seem to be around #30 legend with same approach, either some bugs or hell knows what ...
struct: what search do you use?
AntiSquid: and couldn't find any bugs .
AntiSquid: just basic minimax
struct: Never tried the game
miszu: The hardest/boring part of the AI game is to code the actual game engine
miszu: which takes like 70% of coding time
struct: I find it the most enjoyable part
BenjaminUrquhart: same
miszu: when the game engine is simple, then maybe. But when you need to play with physics and etc, so many little bugs you can have
struct: Does anyone have the link to the "non official" CSB referee
struct: I want to check some stuff
AntiSquid: what does "non official" mean?
JBM: any one that's not the one that runs on CG
struct: the one that was leaked
AntiSquid: https://github.com/SpiritusSancti5/codinGame/blob/master/Referees/Coders%20Strike%20Back/Referee.java
struct: thanks
struct: I guess the off by 1 errors are explained
NoiselessKnight_28b2: Is anyone coding in Java? Is this thing bugged? Im trying to copy the maze into an array but it can't even get to the end of my code before running out of time. As in, a singular nested for loop.
AntiSquid: you must have a bug somewhere
NoiselessKnight_28b2: I figured it out. My code was expecting the length of ROW to be C, but for some reason it isn't. Any idea why this is?
NoiselessKnight_28b2: ohhhhhh
NoiselessKnight_28b2: somehow R and C got flipped hahaha
NoiselessKnight_28b2: the order in which the scanner sees them. sorry for the nuisance
AntiSquid: no worries
AntiSquid: feel free to ask Automaton2000 any question
Automaton2000: but now that i think
tartiflet: hello, is there a way to get the full "expected" string when it's too long to be printed fully in the "console" frame
Z_Doctor: You could use an external ide to simulate a run and get the out from there.
MeirKlemfner: Hi
SilentKnightFromAfar_d6e: hi
tekki: hello all
tekki: wassup?
JavaMan: hard to win in shortest code using java
Z_Doctor: also could be that you are using poorly optimized java
JavaMan: you are probably right
Z_Doctor: and even then it's impossible to beat a good perl user at shortest too
JavaMan: does it also count the imported libraries?
Z_Doctor: It counts the import statements
Anton4ik200: доброе утро
