Chat:World/2022-07-07

cythonboy: hi

cythonboy: unfactorial formula

x8Sofie: hi! :)

Gati_Mate: :grinning:

WFeri: Hello:smile:

Polnoluniza: Hi

koutakui: Hi

iamsofia_rless: hy

derjack: :upside_down:

j4at: derjack how do you will variable number of bots in clash of bots ?

j4at: how do you deal with*

derjack: i just have one 5x5 inputs network

j4at: hehe

derjack: but this looks interesting https://attentionneuron.github.io/

j4at: they you should try it

j4at: yeah*

waterproofsodium: woohoo google foobar level 3 completed :D

waterproofsodium: struct did ya hear :p

AZR: hi

AlvaroAlonsoGiraldo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/9c439062-061d-493d-ad1a-dd7d478dfd20

AlvaroAlonsoGiraldo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a06380b0-9270-43a4-b9f3-a60108373170

AlvaroAlonsoGiraldo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/53a93c07-6e4b-4611-901c-71be63e10679

AZR: :money_mouth:

achillemar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

achillemar: good to learn code

5DN1L: no spam please

5DN1L: spammers will get kicked or banned

AZR: :money_mouth:

5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct

achillemar: breaking bad best tv show

bossoyok: m

bossoyok: mm

5DN1L: 3 kicked

Rhapeuh: FILS DE PUTE

5DN1L: be respectful

5DN1L: next is a ban for all those kicked

ImSeaFu: Has anyone seen wontonimo in the last week or so? Haven't heard from him in a while and just worried that something happened to him

5DN1L: he was here a few days ago

jacek: hes mourning the chat

Aldoggen: the chat that apparently is still holding on for dear life

kamkamkil: hi, is there any option here to create a "group" for multiple people or you only can add individual frieds ?

5DN1L: no

kamkamkil: ok :disappointed:

Aldoggen: do you mean for clash of code?

kamkamkil: no, in general, so multiple people could quickly see what other are doing

kamkamkil: i'm on programming discord and i would be fun if multiple people could join smth like that

5DN1L: the most you can do is to filter a leaderboard

Aldoggen: there is a possibility to add individual friends, but no groups as 5DN1L said

Lachrymosa: So chat is actually planned to be removed? Will discord become the defacto replacement?

Smai: Discord :(

Aldoggen: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/discussions-spaces-update-the-question-of-the-chat/196276/1

Smai: Why does clash of code say every one is a winner?

Aldoggen: from what do you gather that?

Aldoggen: what makes you tell everyone is a winner?

5DN1L: a quote on that page

Smai: The description

Aldoggen: ah

Smai: I want people to know they lost

5DN1L: that's evil

BlaiseEbuth: :imp:

Aldoggen: lmao if you're first that should be satisfaction enough, right?

Lachrymosa: RIP chat, wonder if theres any way to port over the twitch moderation system or some clone of it. I echo what a lot are saying in the forum post; The life of CG is the sidebar chat.

Smai: no.

Smai: Is there a private message function

Aldoggen: are you gonna tell people they lost? in that case there is no such function

Aldoggen: :smiling_imp:

5DN1L: lol

Smai: They should know

Smai: Why does this have skype emojis

Aldoggen: :smiling_imp:

Smai: :skull: what is this

Smai: Thats not good

Aldoggen: skull

xx_zero: skype emojis?

xx_zero: those r nothing like skypes lol

xx_zero: skype's emojis are a lot worse

Smai: Skypes look traumatised

Smai: What did they do to my man the neutral face

Lachrymosa: :|

Smai: :neutral_face:

xx_zero: :nerd:

MSmits: :scream_cat:

Aldoggen: better than this guy :no_mouth: he doesn't have a mouth

MSmits: unsettling

Aldoggen: yo

Smai: The nerd emoji aint good neither

MSmits: yo

Smai: That doesnt feel like a slap to the face

Lachrymosa: !fish Smai

Smai: I am a minor.

MSmits: don't think of yourself that way

MSmits: have some confidence

Lachrymosa: I haven't used it in a while, but there was some command that slapped a named user

**Aldoggen slaps Lachrymosa around a bit with a large fishbot

**MSmits slaps Lachrymosa

Aldoggen: lol

Lachrymosa: that one

**Aldoggen laughs

Smai: Wait Msmits what do you mean

MSmits: you're not minor, you're great

Smai: No i litterally am

Smai: Im under 18

Lachrymosa: Perhaps even Major

MSmits: ooo

Aldoggen: yep :p

Smai: :sleeping:

jacek: :upside_down:

Aldoggen: :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

jenk: send a cat emoji if you're a discord mod

Aldoggen: :dolphin:

5DN1L: don't spam emojis here

Smai: That was 2 emojis

Aldoggen: I felt like it was still more a response than spam, but I'll take it easy now

5DN1L: Smai what brings you to this website?

Smai: Why do you wanna know?

5DN1L: Curious :shrug:

Smai: Teacher said to do it ig

5DN1L: oh, which subject is that

Aldoggen: that's a nice teacher you have

Smai: Computer science

xx_zero: the nerd emoji is funny though icl

5DN1L: do you like computer science? Smai

Smai: The nerd emoji should be cruel

xx_zero: the epitome of "well acktually :nerd:"

Darleanow: hello everyone, i'm trying to print an ascii form

Smai: Yes Mr.5DN1L

Smai: Sandle?

Darleanow: and like to animate it through carriage return; i know that it works for one line, but what if for \nseparated lines ?

Darleanow: like to emulate a circle turning on itself for example

Darleanow: (Hey 5DN1L tho) :)

5DN1L: hi Darleanow

xx_zero: sorry bro cannot help u when it comes to that ascii art thing i have no clue where to start

5DN1L: Good to know, Smai, you have lots of coding opportunities here if you like coding too

Aldoggen: Darleanow, what I did in the past was using some escape codes to get the cursor back up the lines you've printed and overwrite them

Aldoggen: don't know if that's what you want, but it functions a bit like clearing a frame and redrawning it

Smai: Cant i just cheat clash of code with random number generator?

5DN1L: you can

5DN1L: if you don't mind losing

Smai: If you lose you arent cheating correctly

5DN1L: indeed

Smai: Do you get paid to mod this chat or is it free time?

5DN1L: i'm not paid

Smai: Negotiate with the owners

Smai: Get that bag

5DN1L: yeah i probably should

5DN1L: thank you Smai

xx_zero: £7 an hour :fire:

Smai: The number thing worked

Smai: Its saying i got 0% score but all the tests worked

5DN1L: because your code is tested against another set of hidden cases

xx_zero: how do we know ur telling the truth

5DN1L: it's up to you

Smai: So i cant be creative with my answers

Aldoggen: you can, they just need to be general enough to solve the problem

Aldoggen: instead of only solving the test cases

Smai: I worked very hard on cheating the system though

xx_zero: smai pro hacker

Smai: Where you working 5DN1L?

Ashley1: h

5DN1L: don't spam please

Smai: Did you just pie me sandle?

WoBo727: RIP

D1LAN: RIP Ashely1

D1LAN: F

jenk: become a discord mod

xx_zero: rip :pray:

D1LAN: banned but never forgotten

WoBo727: #DicksOutForAshley1

5DN1L: guys please don't disrupt the chat here or get kicked or banned

5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct

D1LAN: #ALM (Ashely Lives Matter)

Smai: :sob:

jenk: npc ashley :pray_tone5:

D1LAN: 5DN1L are you the moderator of this chat?

5DN1L: i am a moderator of this chat

D1LAN: thats pretty cool

D1LAN: ha

xx_zero: u should get paid tbh

D1LAN: how long u been in the business

WoBo727: Doing gods work

5DN1L: this chat is not about me

5DN1L: please focus on coding

Smai: It should be

xx_zero: i got u bro

D1LAN: apologies

xx_zero: #5dn1l

Smai: Whats your paypal ill hit you up

D1LAN: 1 v 1 me Mad Pod racing Noob

D1LAN: not you 5DN1L, luv u m8

xx_zero: actually 5DN1L i have a question

xx_zero: why has my username and profile picture not updated in chat

5DN1L: it could be cache issue

xx_zero: true

Smai: My new pfp is heat and i need to share it

xx_zero: well its not because ive just cleared my cache and reloaded and i still have my old pfp and username

xx_zero: tell the guys at codingame to up their servers :point_up:

D1LAN: @5DN1L, how long have u been in the mod business?

5DN1L: never mind, this chat is going to be removed soon

D1LAN: dayum

D1LAN: j tryna be nice

xx_zero: rip </3

**WoBo727 slaps cvrsed around a bit with a large fishbot

xx_zero: chats been here since i signed up in 2016 rest up for when it dies

Smai: Are you a mod in the new chat?

jenk: o

5DN1L: there's no new chat, but discord chat will continue

Smai: Are you a mod in the discord chat

jenk: any1 down to clown

5DN1L: yes i'm a mod there

Smai: LETS GOO

xx_zero: W

jenk: guys has anyone seen my chromosome

Smai: I am overjoyed!

**WoBo727 Hey

D1LAN: #BringAshely1Back

xx_zero: 5DN1L how long have u been coding for

Smai: 5dn1l Youve been avoiding about your job

jenk: #smashley

Smai: What brings the bills in lad

5DN1L: this chat is not about me

Smai: Im sorry sandle

xx_zero: its lunch we gtg

AlvaroAlonsoGiraldo: test

mrsridhar: hi

lifetimeLearner007: Is there a way to start a private chat with someone I saw getting 100% in a clash. I need to understand his code

5DN1L: click their name to start a private chat

lifetimeLearner007: Nah, it just goes to their profile page

Frankich: or /msg his username

5DN1L: you click their name not their profile pic, lifetimeLearner007

lifetimeLearner007: It is not clickable. Its a text element

lifetimeLearner007: I tried /msg but it just says <username> not found on the chat

5DN1L: then that's the reason

5DN1L: my method works, but that other person has to be online too

lifetimeLearner007: well, I see a green dot on his/her profile pic which means he/she is online right?

5DN1L: maybe he/she was

5DN1L: i suspect the profile online status may not be updated frequently

5DN1L: can't say for sure, though

lifetimeLearner007: I got the rainbow problem in the clash where a string and a ruleset string is given and we need to check if the string has the chars in the ruleset in that order in the given string.

lifetimeLearner007: Last 2 test cases didn't make sense to me but this guy got 100% and in his code I see 'AZERTYUIOPMLKJHGFDSQWXCVBN' hardcoded

lifetimeLearner007: I just want to know what this string is and how it is relevant to that rainbow problem. It is not given in the question

5DN1L: is it the one which requires you to output Rainbow accepted/denied?

jacek: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/159211d1257e7f4c631c168e1b9edec348625

lifetimeLearner007: yes

jacek: he copied the contribution solution :?

5DN1L: jacek has given you the contribution link to check, lifetimeLearner007

lifetimeLearner007: yes, that is the puzzle I got in clash.

lifetimeLearner007: here's the clash report. https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/report/24992548a55553d6130c9615235b571c7e93e89

mrsridhar: hell ehllo

5DN1L: we can't see any code shared, lifetimeLearner007

Frankich: We can't see his code, can you copy paste it in the chat somehow

5DN1L: chat pastebin is broken

5DN1L: anyway

Frankich: arf

5DN1L: if the code is copied and pasted, you may report him/her on his/her profile, lifetimeLearner007

lifetimeLearner007: https://pastebin.com/0iKvahRL

lifetimeLearner007: I don't know if he copy-pasted it. I just wanted to understand it.

5DN1L: it's just the full alphabet

lifetimeLearner007: but why that particular order?

5DN1L: maybe he would type it faster that way

lifetimeLearner007: I thought so too

lifetimeLearner007: But it doesn't follow sequence of keys in the keyboard like QWERTY... or ASDF...

jacek: its azerty keyboard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AZERTY

lifetimeLearner007: oh!... There's azerty keyboard !!! Did NOTknow that

lifetimeLearner007: Thanks #jacek and #5DN1L

5DN1L: np

5DN1L: thanks to two channels, i guess

lifetimeLearner007: Is A* the proper way for BlockTheSpreadingFire problem? Is there any better approach?

5DN1L: Maybe you need A* plus other stuff

5DN1L: some have suggested Simulated Annealing

Lachrymosa: Just finished my first "Hard" puzzle. I used to be really intimidated by them, nice to see progress :D

5DN1L: 🎉

jacek: :smirk:

BlaiseEbuth: Do an expert one now

Lachrymosa: :V maybe I will, maybe I won't!

jacek: https://www.codingame.com/training/easy/space-maze

BlaiseEbuth: :rofl:

Aldoggen: the very hard ones do some time tho

5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/training/expert/recurring-decimals

BlaiseEbuth: A few are not so hard

5DN1L: you need to be an expert to understand recurring decimals

Lachrymosa: Is there some math that will identify repeating blocks easier? I'd probably run into an issue where theres a repeating block 20 digits long and not catch it until the 40th or something

BlaiseEbuth: The barnyard for instance is trivial if you do it with numpy :smirk:

5DN1L: can there be a repeating block of 20 digits?

Lachrymosa: idk, math is a fact of life, but one i don't gawk at for too long

5DN1L: ah yes

5DN1L: it can

Aldoggen: I'm pretty sure repeating parts can be as long as you want them to be

5DN1L: really based on the denominator

Lachrymosa: so then there is some determinate math that will let you know how long of a repeating segment there is?

5DN1L: yes

5DN1L: there are just so many combinations of divisions

5DN1L: given a specific denominator

5DN1L: there's a limit

Lachrymosa: then that very hard problem may be less hard and more about knowing math better

5DN1L: it's not hard actually

lifetimeLearner007: success rate is 5% lol

5DN1L: it's more a misclassification of difficulty upon introduction of difficulty level

BlaiseEbuth: It's the probleme of the problems classification. "Hard for how?"

BlaiseEbuth: *who

Lachrymosa: I feel like Zerg Rush wasn't as hard as it was labeled as

Lachrymosa: either difficulty creep is happening or it was mislabeled as well

5DN1L: try it

5DN1L: you should be able to solve it within 24 hours

Lachrymosa: the decimal one?

5DN1L: yes

Lachrymosa: I'll bookmark it, I'm about to leave the office in a bit

5DN1L: I agree, BlaiseEbuth. but it's all relatively speaking, comparison between puzzles as well

5DN1L: to a new programmer, even an easy puzzle can be difficult to them

Lachrymosa: If there was some rubric of techniques and concepts that were racked and stacked it could be used to decide difficulty better

Lachrymosa: It originally took me 3 months of trying to solve the first non-tutorial puzzle on this website :V

5DN1L: and you've improved since then :)

Lachrymosa: greatly!

MSmits: dedication

MSmits: which puzzle?

Lachrymosa: Zerg Rush today

MSmits: no, i mean the one that took you 3 months

BlaiseEbuth: Yes, of course. And the old puzzles suffered from a lack of available comparisons when they were graded.

Lachrymosa: Oh, I think it was the blasting mountains one

Aldoggen: oof

MSmits: the descent?

Lachrymosa: that one

jacek: 3 months?

MSmits: the difficult thing to understand there is that you have 2 loops. One input loop and one loop over mountains to blast

Lachrymosa: I completely misunderstood how this site's input output structure worked and I was originally using C++

5DN1L: I guess so, BlaiseEbuth

MSmits: I totally get why this was hard Lachrymosa

MSmits: and the input structure is a major hurdle for people starting out

Lachrymosa: Also completely self-taught coder using free time after working 10 hours a day XD so don't think of it like 3 straight months, it was whenever I wasn't getting food and crashing

Aldoggen: ah, yeah, sounds more reasonable then

MSmits: ahh I see

Aldoggen: still, props for dedication

Lachrymosa: I love computers. Coding is more of a fun hobby for me though. I've gone the DFIR route

jacek: DFIR?

Lachrymosa: detection forensics investigation response

Lachrymosa: Digital Forensics and Incident Response* sorry

BlaiseEbuth: When I first registered to CG back in 2013 there was no binding between the test files and the standard input. You had to read files manualy. As a beginer it was so frustrating to not even be able to read the input that I quit the site immediately for a time. :sweat_smile:

MSmits: ouch

MSmits: most other sites are still like that I think

MSmits: you get a bunch of files and you need to do it yourself

MSmits: people who complain about CG don't realize how far ahead of the competition CG is in this regard.

Lachrymosa: I've had a year long hiatus at one point I think, but that was between moves a few years back. Lost contact with a dude named Samsi in that time, real bummer cause him and I collaborated a lot

Lachrymosa: haven't seen Maddy for a while either

Aldoggen: man, I love that testing is as easy as clicking a button. didn't know other sites didn't do this

MSmits: CG ruined me. I can't try other sites. They immediately turn me off

BlaiseEbuth: I complain about CG precisely because they have a fantastic environment/system/community and are wasting it MSmits ;)

Aldoggen: it's so satisfying when you play all testcases and they just work when you're barely half a minute in CoC

MSmits: BlaiseEbuth that's different

Lachrymosa: codewars does a decent job, but the site feels too sterile and structured.

Lachrymosa: 0 multiplayer fun too. Unless you want a well akshually fest in their "multiplayer" solution thing.

MSmits: yeah the multiplayer thing here is truly unique

MSmits: other sites have mostly puzzles and optimization

Aldoggen: what about the chat? ;)

MSmits: pretty sure the other sites will have discord or other channels

Aldoggen: yes, I'm opening this can of worms again

MSmits: haha no thanks :)

Lachrymosa: codecombat has a really good angle with E-Sports league for coding, but its tailor marketed towards kids 10-16 or so

Aldoggen: lol

Lachrymosa: CanOfWorms.close()

Aldoggen: forgot the semicolon

Lachrymosa: Python ;3

Lachrymosa: semicolons are for winky faces only

Aldoggen: should have used with

BlaiseEbuth: Speaking of this, you're all welcome on cheloniangall once the chat deleted (No presure, come if you want :p )

Lachrymosa: whats that?

BlaiseEbuth: https://cheloniangall.com/

Lachrymosa: can't click unknown links here

Aldoggen: type them in browser bar

Lachrymosa: its more of a moral obligation than a physical limitation

Aldoggen: relevant text in the website "The CodinGame chat deletion is imminent... There is still work to do here, but the XMPP server is up! You can already create an account and connect to the chat directly on the site or from your favorite XMPP client!"

Aldoggen: work in progress: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/efbbae4e-34f2-4928-9536-f6a3bad57756

Aldoggen: whoops

Aldoggen: when does it create a pastebin like that?

MSmits: Lachrymosa you will miss out on all of jace k's rickrolls with that attitude

Aldoggen: I missed out on all of them so far

Lachrymosa: At home I'll click w/e I want. Its just this machine isn't mine :V

Aldoggen: no fomo

BlaiseEbuth: More than 4 lines creates a pastebin

MSmits: ah yeah that makes sense :)

Aldoggen: ah

Aldoggen: work in progress:

Aldoggen: 🟢 Account system 🟢 Chat server 🟢 Database 🟢 Web server

MSmits: oo you made green circles

Aldoggen: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/55f1b072-1ac3-4f6b-aeb5-d11b65b7ab25

BlaiseEbuth: :o

Aldoggen: grrrr

Aldoggen: that were only 4 lines

MSmits: :bear:

5DN1L: Aldoggen why are you copying and paste stuff here? for Lachrymosa to see?

Aldoggen: yep

Lachrymosa: kek

Aldoggen: that was the last paste

Aldoggen: whatever

Aldoggen: they even want to save Automaton2000 bot

Automaton2000: that was a cool game

Aldoggen: ^

Lachrymosa: I know it was buddy, I know it was

5DN1L: they = BlaiseEbuth, Aldoggen

Lachrymosa: they.append(Lachrymosa)

BlaiseEbuth: Yeah. I'm a lot in my head

Lachrymosa: half crazed chatbots like Automaton2000 are comfy

Automaton2000: i have never heard of it

Aldoggen: BlaiseEbuth, are you making ChelonianGall?

BlaiseEbuth: Yup

Aldoggen: oh, nice :)

Aldoggen: didn't really realize

Lachrymosa: is it just going to be a chat site?

MSmits: I might use it just to cheer myself up looking at the dancing turtle

BlaiseEbuth: The main thing is the xmpp server, the webchat is there for those who don't want tu use an app client.

Lachrymosa: Write a plugin for your browser that sticks the chat from the site in the right panel of a website XD CG Chat in every tab now!

BlaiseEbuth: And for the turtle

Aldoggen: yes, the turtle should have its own spot :)

BlaiseEbuth: That's not a bad idea Lachrymosa :thinking:

5DN1L: is there a story behind the turtle?

Lachrymosa: poppin shells :sunglasses:

Aldoggen: aren't chelonians turtles?

BlaiseEbuth: Yeah. Making Automaton2000 say 'tortue' is an old joke on #fr

Automaton2000: yeah it seems silly. unless it's in retaliation to all the competitive coding places that disqualified ru players because of ...

5DN1L: ah i see

Aldoggen: that response was quite nice actually

Lachrymosa: It has its gems

Lachrymosa: I go now, pce

Aldoggen: cya!

Sheeesh---: guys i'm trying to learn MCTS i just wanna ask about the simulation/rollout part let's say it's tic tac toe should i just do random moves and see the winner or is there a better way ?

Aldoggen: can I try to answer this first?

Aldoggen: I'm trying to learn

Sheeesh---: go ahead

Aldoggen: agh the terminology is unfamiliar. simulation is the part where you're going over a part of the tree you haven't explored yet right?

Sheeesh---: it's when you wanna give a score to a node as fas i know

Aldoggen: so what I gather from this paper I've read, is you can do random moves, but a better idea is to implement some from of heuristics to see what moves are interesting

Sheeesh---: oh i see

Aldoggen: that will significantly improve the performance of mcts

Aldoggen: https://dke.maastrichtuniversity.nl/m.winands/documents/uctloa.pdf

5DN1L: try the basic one first

Dapps: it also depends on what you're problem space is. some areas are difficult to write a heuristic, and mcts with random movements can basically "figure it out"

Aldoggen: the things I've said are on page 28, in the first paragraph of play-out

5DN1L: the one Aldoggen describes is a modification of the basic algorithm

Aldoggen: aah all right

5DN1L: it's better to understand and code the basic one first

Sheeesh---: ok then

Sheeesh---: gotta go step by step

Sheeesh---: thanks guys !

Aldoggen: ty guys for revising my answer :)

struct: Sheeesh--- when you do rollout

struct: normal rollout is just random

struct: but you can improve it afte

struct: after*

struct: to do smarter moves

struct: For example if you can win on next move you play the winning move

struct: Block opponent from winning moves

struct: stuff like this

struct: Also are you doing normal TTT?

Sheeesh---: that's my play

Sheeesh---: after it i will go to UTTT to beat y'all

struct: yeah thats what I did as well

Sheeesh---: my plan*

struct: I then copy pasted most of it to uttt

struct: But are you going to use python?

Sheeesh---: nah

Sheeesh---: python is really slow

struct: yeah

Sheeesh---: i experienced it when i did mars lander with genetic algo

Sheeesh---: it was literaly 10000 time slow

Sheeesh---: tines*

Aldoggen: wow

Sheeesh---: than my c implementation

Westicles: I'm getting gaslit on my contrib

Aldoggen: yes, I've succesfully implemented arbitrarily precise long division

5DN1L: on recurring decimals?

Aldoggen: yes

5DN1L: nice

Aldoggen: now for the recurrence detection

MSmits: think this is a new record for me. Solved 26 moves before the end: https://www.codingame.com/replay/649997374

MSmits: I don't even care if it wins more or not. Love that solving :)

Astrobytes: oof, nice

Aldoggen: how do you know it was solved?

struct: his mcts found a path that lead to a win

MSmits: i output "win"

Astrobytes: it outputs win

Aldoggen: ah

Astrobytes: sometimes the simple answer is the answer ;)

MSmits: I do it mainly because it is a good debugging tool. Yurko spotted a bug for me the other day because it outputted something wrong

Aldoggen: til you can see the bot outputs in the replay

Astrobytes: you can't see them? Refresh

MSmits: it says below the profile pics

Aldoggen: I had to open something

Aldoggen: oh below the pics?

MSmits: in the viewer yeah

Aldoggen: I probably need glasses then

MSmits: but beyond frame 43, otherwise its not solved

Aldoggen: found it

MSmits: kk

YurkovAS: my bot without a fast solver is play good too :)

Astrobytes: I got Alice and Bob first time and had to refresh :D

Westicles: problem has nothing to do with recursion. one guy solves it with recursion, one guy says it should be medium due to recursion, one guy says it should be medium due to recursion with recursion tag

MSmits: yeah it's only a tiny advantage yurko

MSmits: karlis o doesnt even have a solver

MSmits: i just like solvers :0

Astrobytes: yeah, as MSmits says solver is just useful more than anything else

Astrobytes: and matters more in other games than some

Aldoggen: Westicles they're doing it with math instead of simulating it I guess

MSmits: i like it also because when i run meta mcts locally, the games are much shorter

Dapps: what does it mean to have a solver?

MSmits: you prove the win or loss

Westicles: Aldoggen, if they used math it would just be a formula. Maybe it is some voodoo approach only the french know

MSmits: so if you prove the win, it means you win even if the other player plays perfectly

Dapps: is that basically brute force full search? or other ways

MSmits: it's brute force, but if you make some smart choices you can go deeper with it

Dapps: ah got it

Aldoggen: Westicles I'm gonna see if I can solve it

Dapps: so something like alpha beta search

MSmits: yes

Aldoggen: after recurring decimals tho

MSmits: i do something like ab pruning but for mcts

Astrobytes: on your probability one Westicles?

Dapps: i've been having a lot of fun with uttt. but i think i've gone as far as i can with C# lol

Westicles: Aldoggen nice! Looking for a recursion comment

Westicles: Astro yes

Dapps: i don't know how people got into legend with it

MSmits: it's very hard Dapps

MSmits: i got into legend with it

Dapps: very impressed!

MSmits: I did use bitboards and such

MSmits: efficient random rollout

Astrobytes: It seems kinda straightforward, not sure where the dude got recursion from...

MSmits: around 20k rollouts per turn

Dapps: i've maxxed out at around top 180 gold

MSmits: do you use mcts or minimax/

Dapps: yeah i use bitboards, mcts, not sure what does efficient rollouts mean? i use uniform random

Astrobytes: and what is that guy who commented on your other contrib smoking... "Add 2 or 3 examples of what a "greatest common divisor" is. The CoC summary should be self-sufficient as per the rules"

Westicles: heh heh

MSmits: oh, well there are many ways to code a rollout, some are faster than others

MSmits: one thing you can do is make a win lookup

MSmits: winArray[512]

eulerscheZahl: i have that

Westicles: greatest common denominator is like the perfect name to describe what it is

Westicles: *divisor

eulerscheZahl: 2 actually, one for the small board and one for the large

MSmits: yeah i do too

eulerscheZahl: large board lookup is bigger than 512

MSmits: it's even faster than an avx win check and we had a really fast one

Astrobytes: lol, right Westicles!

MSmits: eulerscheZahl yeah

MSmits: uint8_t bigBoardStatus[65536] = { 0 };

MSmits: i store 4 results in 1 byte

eulerscheZahl: i think mine is 3**9 in size

eulerscheZahl: too long ago

MSmits: hmm not for bigboard i think

MSmits: you have 4 types of miniboards

MSmits: unfinished, p1 win, p2 win, draw

eulerscheZahl: i jacek around? i have 2 memes for him

struct: wait are you telling me that I need a bigger table for the bigboard?

struct: to check if a player won?

MSmits: if you want to include draws yeah

eulerscheZahl: board can be p1, p2 or open

MSmits: it can also be draw eulerscheZahl, thats different from open

eulerscheZahl: i know

eulerscheZahl: but i treat them the same i think

eulerscheZahl: don't want to check

MSmits: yeah thats better than having no lookup

struct: ah I see, I just use the 512 one

struct: for both boards

MSmits: i like to add the draws because then you can also cut short games where neither side can win or one of the two sides wins by boardcount

MSmits: the larger the lookup, the slower it is though

MSmits: if you want to go really heavy on the lookups you can even have less than 3^9 for miniboards

MSmits: because half the boards are finished boards and it doesnt matter how they got finished. there's only 3 types of those

MSmits: p1/p2/draw

MSmits: that leaves only 8629 possible miniboards

MSmits: better than 19863

eulerscheZahl: i tabbed away for a few seconds and now there is a wall of text waiting for me

MSmits: :grin:

Astrobytes: Smits Sermons ftw :D

MSmits: I was just done :P

eulerscheZahl: no jacek? i'll share it anyways https://9gag.com/gag/a81OM8Q https://9gag.com/gag/a81Oy0Z

Dapps: i don't have a winlookup for the big board, could add that in

MSmits: that second one is awesome!

Astrobytes: :rofl:

eulerscheZahl: unexpected

Astrobytes: best you-know-what ever

MSmits: too bad the sound defaults to off

Astrobytes: does it have sound?

Aldoggen: both are nice

Aldoggen: I had a wall of text waiting for me and I didn't even alt tab lol

Aldoggen: just too busy on recurring decimals

Astrobytes: Yeah, I think jacek would highly appreciate both of those

MSmits: eulerscheZahl did you see this one yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RxqNv6bEug

MSmits: (john oliver)

eulerscheZahl: yes

MSmits: so funny

Westicles: I remember when talk shows made fun of both political parties, now they just make fun of one

MSmits: apparently you did not see the video

Westicles: no, don't like that guy

eulerscheZahl: that's the advantage of more than 2 parties: you can be for one of them and still make fun of several others

MSmits: Westicles he's going on for 10 mins about creepy beached dolls

MSmits: there's no politics

eulerscheZahl: a few weeks about he analyzed a movie about a dog playing basketball

jacek: huh

MSmits: and also, he's not really very often targeting specific parties, mostly talking about the absurdity of some facts of the US

jacek: oh my!

Astrobytes: watched that one the other night MSmits, superb

BlaiseEbuth: Don't worry Westicles, I make fun of all americans without discrimination. :grin:

MSmits: eulerscheZahl yeah i saw that too, so funny

jacek: that would be nice in bt statement

Astrobytes: lol jacek

Westicles: BlaiseEbuth I am shocked! I have the utmost respect for all french

jacek: oO

MSmits: :french_bread:

Astrobytes: Yet another thing I will miss about chat. Westicles vs France

BlaiseEbuth: Don't worry I make fun of all french too.

Westicles: :P

BlaiseEbuth: Humanity is so fun...

MSmits: oh the humanity

Astrobytes: ...damentally flawed. Yes

Astrobytes: I'll miss killing chat too. I'm so good at it.

BlaiseEbuth: Automaton2000! Group rez'!

Automaton2000: so you want to see a solution to the puzzle

Astrobytes: Automaton2000 has the answers eh

Automaton2000: they've played tens of thousands of games

Darleanow: Automaton2000 what do you think about Westicles puzzles ?

Automaton2000: to see if that works

Darleanow: Automaton2000 what do you mean?

Automaton2000: so it's a good idea to make a good bot

Darleanow: Automaton2000 so you're saying a bot would be easier than westicles puzzles ?

Automaton2000: i can see that it is really good at it

Darleanow: Automaton2000 you're right

Automaton2000: because you need to use a nn for this contest

Aldoggen: Automaton2000 make sense please

Automaton2000: and you are at the same time

Darleanow: Automaton2000 you solved retaining water with a O(n^2) solution ?

Darleanow: impressive

Automaton2000: is there a way to get back on track

Darleanow: Automaton2000 try to code a bit more i guess

Automaton2000: not being able to solve any of the bot

Darleanow: Automaton2000 but you are a bot

Automaton2000: every time i do a histogram and choose the best one

Darleanow: Automaton2000 what's your purpose ?

Automaton2000: ok, i don't know how to code it

Astrobytes: lol

Darleanow: Automaton2000 you need to type it..

Automaton2000: well if you want to have to check for a win

Darleanow: (he's tired i guess)

Darleanow: Automaton2000 i'm letting u afk a bit

Automaton2000: you can submit in different leagues

PatrickMcGinnisII: Automaton2000 ride them like a pony

Automaton2000: so if you had to do with that

derjack: oO

Nerchio: did the russian cup already start

Aldoggen: yes. it even got startled and spilled all over

Astrobytes: 5 minutes I think Nerchio

Astrobytes: at least i think it is

Nerchio: ah ok

Nerchio: so can we participate

Nerchio: or i need shady russian bank account

BlaiseEbuth: No money for you

Astrobytes: not sure

Astrobytes: they said it would be updated in the FAQ

Astrobytes: (the organisers)

Astrobytes: first week is beta anyway, best wait for bugs to be fixed

Nerchio: and for the game to get additional crazy rules? ^^

Astrobytes: lol, that comes after :D

eulerscheZahl: they also made completely new rules at the end of beta once

eulerscheZahl: an atomic bomb to prevent unit stacking

Aldoggen: take care when you participate. in russia, bugs find you

Astrobytes: oh for the rts one

eulerscheZahl: 2016 i think

Astrobytes: *first rts one

Astrobytes: with the big phalanxes of units

eulerscheZahl: yes

Nerchio: in 2016 i didnt know what programming is

Astrobytes: heh heh heh

Astrobytes: innocence lost!

Nerchio: and euler was already dropping nukes in russian ai cup

eulerscheZahl: really Nerchio? you started coding that late?

Astrobytes: which is better? SC competitions or AI bot competitions?

Nerchio: ai competitions since they have more variety, the problem is you can't win with java and even if you win you don't get too many prizes :grinning:

eulerscheZahl: join topcoder

Nerchio: eulerscheZahl eh I mean I probably did but at that point I wouldn't call it coding really

Nerchio: i tried but I don't know where to click on their site :joy:

Astrobytes: Nice! Turned to the dark side. ofc you can win with java, depends on the contest

eulerscheZahl: my first topcoder experience was similar

eulerscheZahl: 2nd was an optim tasks i didn't like

Astrobytes: all my topcoder experiences were like that until I bookmarked it

Nerchio: i opened like topcoder arena or something and there was like a calendar or something but couldnt find any tasks

eulerscheZahl: 4 years between account creation and my first contest i played seriosly

Nerchio: so didnt bother much longer

eulerscheZahl: topcoder arena is for algorithmic challenges only

eulerscheZahl: like the puzzle section here

eulerscheZahl: they also have an optim section. and some paid jobs

Nerchio: ok so where do I go for real stuff

eulerscheZahl: better copy the URL, you can't click it:

https://www.topcoder.com/challenges?bucket=openForRegistration&tracks[DS]=true&types[]=CH&types[]=F2F

jacek: this one you can https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Nerchio: kek

Nerchio: you almost got me jacek

Astrobytes: never gonna click that

jacek: never gonna give you up

BlaiseEbuth: XcQ :eyes:

Nerchio: it's like jacek discovered internet yesterday

jacek: so, they put chat removal to friday evening after all

Astrobytes: the pawn one though :D

Nerchio: it's fine we've all been there

Astrobytes: ofc jacek

Astrobytes: Nerchio :rofl: yes, every day he rediscovers it I think

Nerchio: so eulerscheZahl you participate in things from this list when they come up?

Astrobytes: Marathon Matches, yes

eulerscheZahl: for dates: https://clist.by/

eulerscheZahl: expand the topcoder thing in the white area at the bottom

eulerscheZahl: they even increased the prize pool

struct: so it starts on 13-07?

eulerscheZahl: https://tco23.topcoder.com/competition-rules

eulerscheZahl: yes, next Wednesday

BlaiseEbuth: Oh great. I'll take a look

PatrickMcGinnisII: So, we need to gamble on who get's last chat msg logged?

Nikanameu: NASA comet detection! now that's a contest

Nerchio: i only see some topcodr 09.07 and 22.07 on that clist site lol

eulerscheZahl: that's a part 2 actually. in part 1 they found 2 completely new comets with the contest

PatrickMcGinnisII: SpaceX super heavy launching next week, and James Webb photos released bext week

Astrobytes: bext week is the week before?

PatrickMcGinnisII: Oh, virtual comets?

Astrobytes: Real comets.

eulerscheZahl: https://i.imgur.com/k8QqQv8.png

PatrickMcGinnisII: My coffee is still in the coffee maker, I take no responsibility for my typos

Astrobytes: :P

Nikanameu: patrick CERN discovered 3 new particles this week

Nerchio: i didn't see the things you can unroll :thumbsup:

PatrickMcGinnisII: someone code a way to tell my garbage truck how to pickup trash after a holiday... they never get it right

MSmits: Nerchio: https://www.codingame.com/contests/code-a-la-mode/leaderboard/global

eulerscheZahl: there are some manual processes on topcoder. like starting and ending a contest. therefore a contest might start a few minutes early or late

MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/contests/unleash-the-geek-amadeus/leaderboard/global (second in java)

**PatrickMcGinnisII 's exotic Hadrons are itchy

MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/contests/a-code-of-ice-and-fire/leaderboard/global (again second in java)

Nikanameu: what are those links man

MSmits: recent contest where java or python or C# did well

MSmits: well not recent

MSmits: some 2 yrs old

jacek: 'recent'

eulerscheZahl: add ghost in a cell to your recent list

MSmits: feels recent :0

Astrobytes: afk

struct: you can get top 15 in C4 with java

MSmits: well... that's because it's a small amount of top players

struct: still he would be the first with java

MSmits: true

Nerchio: why do you think top15 is possible

Nerchio: ?

MSmits: because he can get top 15 with 10% performance

struct: not 10

struct: 5

Aldoggen: bold of you to assume that java can get 10% performance

Nerchio: :D

struct: im sure java is not 20x slower

Aldoggen: as long as GC doesn't kick in lol

MSmits: you can avoid GC with object pools

Aldoggen: ah right

Aldoggen: just remember everything

MSmits: you wont be reusing your tree from previous turns, then you need only like 1 million nodes

MSmits: you can survive initializing that many

MSmits: tree reuse is overrated anyway

Aldoggen: so you don't reuse your tree, but you keep it?

struct: I did reuse it

struct: but thats because i forgot to remove it

Nerchio: i have only MAX_NODES = 250000;

Nerchio: in c4

struct: let me see how many nodes I get

MSmits: might be enough except in turn 1 Nerchio

Nerchio: i have hardcoded opening

MSmits: works

MSmits: I have 35 million nodes in uttt :P

Nerchio: o.o

Aldoggen: whoa :)

Nerchio: how much memory it takes

MSmits: almost all

struct: 45M in C4

Aldoggen: how much do you get actually?

MSmits: how many do i use?

MSmits: i use the whole array if my opponent doesnt play moves I pruned. I will have to reset the tree because i run out

Aldoggen: no, I mean what's the max memory anyone can use?

MSmits: 780 MB or so

MSmits: around that value

Aldoggen: but that's interesting to know too :)

Aldoggen: all right

struct: 768MB

struct: ok I submited with 5ms again and 50 for first turn and no reuse

Aldoggen: that seems familiar

Nerchio: it's 25 165 824 ints?

struct: it shows the number of rollouts

MSmits: They are node objects

Aldoggen: ah, it's 2^8*3 MB

MSmits: usually my nodes are 10 to 12 bytes or so

MSmits: actually no

MSmits: make that around 20 sorry

Aldoggen: so you're using around 680 MB

MSmits: wins/visits is 8 already, then an index to the first child is another 4, thats 12 bytes, then some random stuff like childcount (1 byte) and solved status and scuh

PatrickMcGinnisII: hmm, at depth 4 I use 126MB, very innefficient

MSmits: that sounds right Aldoggen

Aldoggen: that's because I used a calculator

Nerchio: i have only like Rollouts 22216 per turn

MSmits: in uttt it almost always resets much sooner though, I will agressively prune in the opening gome

Nerchio: in c4 so yeah

struct: 22216 on first turn?

Nerchio: no

Nerchio: on like turn 10

Aldoggen: sounds like a good strat, opening is where you generate a lot of unneeded stuf

struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/650029694

struct: this is with 5ms Nerchio

PatrickMcGinnisII: 170k nodes = 126MB ... i guess i suck

MSmits: Aldoggen you still have to be careful with pruning, but uttt has some nice heuristics for the start of the game

struct: smart rollout

Nerchio: yeah I just did barebones mcts

Nerchio: don't have anything smart

MSmits: if you change your rollout to smart it will help wayyyy more than if you change your code to c++

Nerchio: what is a smart rollout

MSmits: moves arent random

MSmits: not completely

MSmits: you dont play moves that cause you to lose

MSmits: so if you place a disk somewhere where there is a winning move for the opponent righ tabove that it is dumb

MSmits: also if you dont block opponent it is dumb

Nerchio: so you need to have some lookup?

Nerchio: to see winning moves

MSmits: well i have to admit we use SIMD to find these, but you could do some loops

struct: no need loops

struct: http://blog.gamesolver.org/solving-connect-four/09-anticipate-losing-moves/

MSmits: ah right, yes there are smarter ways

Nerchio: so it's heuristics

MSmits: yes, but not heuristics that bias the search

MSmits: you only prune proven losses

MSmits: so those are moves you would never play anyway

struct: for example a rollout goes from 25 moves average if its full random

struct: to 33

struct: or something

MSmits: Yavalath is a similar game where smart rollout is way more important than performance

MSmits: pb 4 had a similar strength bot compared to mine with 5x less sims

Nerchio: I will see later if I have the patience to go back and add it to my code but looks good :D

bavana: :metal_tone1::metal_tone2::metal_tone3::metal_tone4::metal_tone5::metal:

struct: maybe it wont get top 15 this time

struct: oh well

struct: i blame rng

PatrickMcGinnisII: why i hate c4: https://www.codingame.com/replay/650032285

struct: the steal patrick?

MSmits: heh heh

struct: if you play on middle you will lose

MSmits: well it's likely

MSmits: it's almost 100% certain to be solved as a win for the person who plays it

MSmits: 3 and 5 are even better though

MSmits: possibly the only draw is 1 or 6, that makes them the only safe starts

struct: maybe I should try opening with 2

struct: to see if it makes any difference

MSmits: 2 also favors player 1 and i will steal it, but the book will be poor

MSmits: so it might belp vs me

MSmits: help

MSmits: NN's might also perform worse

PatrickMcGinnisII: just rollout 9^64 games, I'll wait

struct: ok now I have 4 openings instead of 1

struct: rank 1 here i come

PatrickMcGinnisII: How I feel after a day on CG: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.Zmw8Z4z11I-FU_2Hl1EOCQHaEK%26pid%3DApi&f=1

Aldoggen: you need dark mode man

jacek: connect4 talks made me browse connect4 memes yet again

MSmits: connect flour

jacek: double kill https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/650035133

Astrobytes: still love those c4 memes

MSmits: jacek didnt you have 7 in a row

MSmits: one tim

jacek: eeyu

MSmits: showoff

Astrobytes: p

bavana: :joy:

struct: maybe I broke something

MSmits: did you hit the wall when you saw jacek double killed you?

Astrobytes: :rofl:

jacek: rage quitted https://9gag.com/gag/aeDNdGv

struct: But I think I do have a bug since i added expansion on nodes that only have 1 child

Astrobytes: must...resist... reading... entire.... thread.....

Aldoggen: it surprises me that dogs can grasp the rules of c4

jacek: have you seen the comments

MSmits: you must read all comments

MSmits: they are epic

Astrobytes: ^

Aldoggen: pretty good stuff :)

Aldoggen: lol they have one that's actually c4

PatrickMcGinnisII: damnit tx to jacek i ended up in a 9gag #cat ihole

jacek: :3

Astrobytes: C-hole

Astrobytes: catamine

Astrobytes: Nerchio (and anyone): regarding RAIC prizes

nnovich-OK — Today at 5:21 PM So it has begun 🙂 I don't see English version of FAQ, but Russian one says "T-shirt can be transferred to almost any place worldwide" (not sure what "almost" means here), but "only people with Russian bank account can receive cash prizes". People without account are supposed to participate hors concours (am I using this phrase right?)

Nerchio: so we can play in the main competition?

Nerchio: not only in sandbox

Astrobytes: Yeah, just no cash prizes

Nerchio: well i have to first check the game anyway

Nerchio: its a battle royale (i think that was known already)

Nerchio: will have to think about it

Nerchio: https://cups.online/ru/battles/coderoyale/716/1314?utm_campaign=to-allcups&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=raic&play_battle=382007

Nerchio: one game

Astrobytes: Yeah I think it looks fun

MSmits: fortnite without the stupid building

struct: stuff is so small

Astrobytes: zoom in lol

Astrobytes: use the mouse/mouse wheel to change the view

Astrobytes: in realtime

struct: I'll probably skip, too much stuff going on

Astrobytes: you have a whole month in case you change your mind

eulerscheZahl: press "v" for debug mode

eulerscheZahl: was the same last time

Astrobytes: Yep

eulerscheZahl: i might go for a low effort tshirt

Nerchio: MSmits building is/was the best part of fortnite :D

MSmits: it seems silly to me, it's way too fast

MSmits: i like how it works in rust

eulerscheZahl: oh wow, round 1 at RAIC starts on the 15th already

Astrobytes: euler, nnovich messaged me again, he's as confused as us; asked for confirmation but the telegram chat is flooding currently

eulerscheZahl: usually there were 1 or 2 weeks more, weren't there?

eulerscheZahl: i see. won't be too hard to reach top300 i think. easily doable on a lazy Saturday

eulerscheZahl: so i might just risk not getting my tshirt

eulerscheZahl: otherwise it would probably be the easiest of the year (not counting hacktoberfest)

MSmits: doesn't it bother you that it is always t-shirts. I figure you'd need pants and shoes and stuff as well

eulerscheZahl: sometimes it's hoodies

eulerscheZahl: and once i won a cup

eulerscheZahl: the thing that keeps your coffee warm

eulerscheZahl: i don't drink coffee

MSmits: oh ok, i was imagining something else

eulerscheZahl: i realized the double meaning, which is why i clarified

BlaiseEbuth: Any news about the banks thing?

MSmits: like you were only wearing t-shirts before, but finally got a cup so you would no longer get arrested

eulerscheZahl: johnathan banks is still active, BlaiseEbuth

Astrobytes: MSmits :rofl:

eulerscheZahl: i don't get that

BlaiseEbuth: :upside_down:

Astrobytes: it's possible t-shirt shipping for those without accounts is for displaced RU nationals (given the current situation) but also possible it's for non-RU entrants, we need to await the official answer

BlaiseEbuth: Hmm 'k

Astrobytes: the out of competition round states it's for VK employees and those who worked on task development, but there are 2 leaderboards, one for in-competition and one without, so as per RAIC there is some strangeness

Astrobytes: anyway nnovich will update me with any news so I'll pass it on as soon as I hear anything

eulerscheZahl: :+1:

Nerchio: who is nnovich, some kind of special agent?

eulerscheZahl: i once played in a mini RAIC. it didn't even have English rules

eulerscheZahl: a user who's also active on CG

eulerscheZahl: top20 in the pikaptcha puzzle contest

eulerscheZahl: was so happy about it that he shared his solution on the chat

Astrobytes: Nerchio: just a CG user, the guy who posted the link to it

eulerscheZahl: then got DQed :(

Astrobytes: oh that was him?

Astrobytes: ouch

eulerscheZahl: yes

Astrobytes: didn't do pikaptcha but I remember

eulerscheZahl: i was barely faster than smits

BlaiseEbuth: Ok. But I didn't asked: The bank account prevent you to register or it's just about prizes?

eulerscheZahl: started really well with the first 2 tasks. then got confused about Möbius strip

eulerscheZahl: you can register without an account

eulerscheZahl: just for fun

eulerscheZahl: only thing we don't know: do tshirts still count as fun or as serious competing?

BlaiseEbuth: Oh. Well that's all OK.

BlaiseEbuth: Erf

BlaiseEbuth: Yeah t-shirts is a serious issue

Astrobytes: oh btw, the shorter duration before Round 1 start is because they combined beta and sandbox this year

eulerscheZahl: ah, so changes until directly before R1?

Astrobytes: seems that way

Astrobytes: its on the site but doesn't give more info than that

eulerscheZahl: and half of it is Russian even when you select English

Astrobytes: heheh yeah it's a bit peculiar

eulerscheZahl: if i play, i should do it this weekend. otherwise it will collide with TC

Astrobytes: good idea

DrunkeyCPP: is the TC challenge worth for noobies learning a language?

DrunkeyCPP: or is it too hard?

eulerscheZahl: last 2 tasks to get an impression: https://www.topcoder.com/challenges/9bb1c5e1-dbb3-4407-be0e-3cc0dc45bf1a https://www.topcoder.com/challenges/d9570afb-dfde-43b0-b4e1-20434933c8cc

eulerscheZahl: they have animations. but you have to log in to see them :(

DrunkeyCPP: well I wouldn't even know where to start, so I guess that answers my question haha

DrunkeyCPP: thanks doe :thumbsup:

struct: its usually similar to cg optimization right euler?

eulerscheZahl: you can't hardcode on TC, so no :D

DrunkeyCPP: lol

eulerscheZahl: but somewhat comparable, often with visuals

Astrobytes: and usually high quality problem

eulerscheZahl: a tester for local development

eulerscheZahl: here's an animation as the one on the website doesn't play without account: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/935525847140536320/976536014938067034/seed1_3.gif

eulerscheZahl: basically was about building long chains with one knight to get max points

eulerscheZahl: always capturing the same color

DrunkeyCPP: seems really fun but yeah, I guess I'm not on that level yet

eulerscheZahl: you learn by pushing yourself to the limits

Astrobytes: keep practising ;)

DrunkeyCPP: sir yes sir

Astrobytes: indeed. Get out of your depth but get something working

eulerscheZahl: on a side note: there are finals once a year. it's not easy to qualify but would be really good to use this as a community gathering. so everyone join :)

Astrobytes: ^

DrunkeyCPP: that also sounds like great fun

eulerscheZahl: they will even invite you to the US

Mikkuuu: hello guys

Mikkuuu: :grinning:

struct: ok I might try if I can bitboard it

struct: hi

Astrobytes: afk, eating

Illedan: ifok, coding

Illedan: eulerscheZahl, what actions can you do in the RAIC?

Illedan: Didn't check yet

eulerscheZahl: compete for fun, compete for real, not compete?

WereEnder: bro its so hard

WereEnder: to code

Illedan: No, more like

Illedan: Move left right?

Illedan: Or continous?

Illedan: Shoot?

Illedan: Magic?

Illedan: Nuke?

eulerscheZahl: i saw 1 replay, it was laggy. that's it

Illedan: Kamikaze?

Illedan: ok

struct: are replays on green circle playing faster?

struct: or is just me

struct: ah I guess its due to the card animations

struct: frames are still 1 sec

WereEnder: Can someone help me. Im new to coding and I really have no idea whats happening

Razovsky: this is not a website to learn

Razovsky: but to practice

Razovsky: check the forum

WereEnder: whats a website to learn?

WereEnder: where is forum?

Razovsky: lots of tips for beginners, but to summerize 5DN1L u should arrive here knowing the bases of a langage

Razovsky: loops, if/else, in/out commands

WereEnder: whats a website to learn?

Razovsky: man

Razovsky: try google "learn to code"

Razovsky: to begin with

5DN1L: or try codecademy.com , 'The Coding Train' on youtube, or first levels in codewars.com

Razovsky: im not your mom

Razovsky: thx 5DN1L XD youre so much patient

5DN1L: just copy and paste :P

Razovsky: love you

5DN1L: :)

Illedan: Need :taco: bot to automatically reply on these questions

eulerscheZahl: https://pokemon.fandom.com/de/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Wiki learn all about pokemon here. you should ask more accurate questions

5DN1L: wasn't paying attention to the chat until you pinged me Razovsky

WereEnder: ok ty

5DN1L: Illedan, yes indeed

TomAlard: I'm trying to improve my UTTT bot. I've got a basic pure MCTS implementation. Are there any substantial improvements I could make other than optimizing the code?

MSmits: many

MSmits: well, when i say many, i mean many small things that each add a few % to WR

eulerscheZahl: to world record?

MSmits: yes

MSmits: try the following heuristic TomAlard

MSmits: in the first 20 turns or so, whenever you have to play on an empty board, pick the square that has the same position on the board, as the miniboard has in the overall board

MSmits: meaning, the square that forces your opponent to play on that board as well

TomAlard: You mean doing that instead of random rollouts?

MSmits: nah, do the randomrollouts if you want, just play this move if it is available

MSmits: you could also force this through expansion (when you expand and this move is available, have it as the onyl child)

MSmits: you can see it in action here: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/650069725

TomAlard: Interesting

MSmits: it's generally best to limit this to the first 20 turns

MSmits: after that, sometimes it's a losing move

MSmits: i mean 20 plies

MSmits: (both players moved 10 times)

MSmits: it is not just a gimmick... it's an extremely strong heuristic

MSmits: random rollouts will not give you a better move

TomAlard: Thanks! I'll try it

MSmits: np, there's more ideas like this. Ask me when i'm around

TomAlard: Yeah, I heard you're trying to improve your UTTT bot as well

struct: this should bring you from 100 to 50th +-

MSmits: yeah i am

struct: just this heuristic

TomAlard: damn

MSmits: ran out of ideas mostly, but trying the eval version again. I had a reasonable good one before

MSmits: no random rollout, was ranked about 20th or 30th

struct: yours?

MSmits: but my normal bot is 7-9

MSmits: yeah

MSmits: mcts with ept

struct: ah

TomAlard: I wonder who found this idea

MSmits: it was a bit unstable

MSmits: it would beat recurses nn with a 50% + WR and then lose to lower ranked

struct: maybe because it played bad

struct: :p

MSmits: maybe

MSmits: but it didnt just play well vs recurse

MSmits: it did well vs other top guys

MSmits: it just couldnt deal with some gamestates i think that only pop up with weaker players

MSmits: eval is not as flexible as a random rollout

struct: yeah

putibuzu: have you tried combining rollout and evaluation function?

MSmits: putibuzu not really, i may have at some point, but never with some serious effort

putibuzu: MSmits alright thanks :) was just wondering since The_Duck is using something like this in green circle successfully :)

MSmits: yeah it sometimes works, but uttt doesnt have a very reliable eval

MSmits: best you can hope for is averaging it out

MSmits: to something reasonable

MSmits: over many visits

MSmits: just as you would with random rollout

putibuzu: ah ok good to know, I have no clue about UTTT to be honest. thanks!

DrunkeyCPP: whats uttt?

BayraktarBakh3ridzeIG: d

BayraktarBakh3ridzeIG: a

BayraktarBakh3ridzeIG: j

5DN1L: Ultimate Tic Tac Toe

DrunkeyCPP: ah thanks

5DN1L: np

YurkovAS: in my case: smart rollouts give 15% wr vs only random rollouts. checked in brutal-tester 1Kx2 mirrored games

MSmits: you mean +15% ?

YurkovAS: +15 %

MSmits: ok, sounds about right

MSmits: looks like my evalbot ends about 30th

MSmits: (the old one)

MSmits: I want to try and improve it

struct: just need to use jacekeval

MSmits: hah yeah that would work

struct: but you do ept(0) MSmits?

MSmits: yes

struct: does it do worse if you do like 10?

MSmits: it is otherwise basically the same bot, with all the solver enhancements and heuristics

MSmits: 10 what?

struct: 10 moves then eval

MSmits: oh randoms, i never tried

struct: Its what I do for bt

MSmits: is it better than straight eval?

struct: for me it was

MSmits: how much better? Easy to prove with tests?

struct: ok i just tested on leaderboard tbf

MSmits: mmh hard to say

struct: it was from 20 to top 10 or something around that

MSmits: thats good

MSmits: if i were to add random rollout to eval bot it would go over 3k i think

MSmits: mmh eval bot was still going up, 22nd now

struct: I just use the normal rollout and then stop at depth N

struct: oh nice

MSmits: only 1 pt below you now

MSmits: I just got the dumbest phishing mail

MSmits: it asked me to fill out a survey

MSmits: it's like it just doesn't want to phishing to succeed... a survey lol

struct: better fill it

MSmits: :)

MSmits: double win vs tomatoes and supson

struct: it does well for an eval

MSmits: so close to the struct now :)

MSmits: yeah it does

MSmits: i must have remembered it wrong, it was stronger

MSmits: not sure why i gave up trying to improve it. It may have the potential to be stronger than my random rollout bot

Afraaz1: Hey guy I'm stuck on the descent easy minigame

Afraaz1: Anyone around to help?

struct: press hints on the left

PiPrevalis: Afraaz, you may be having the same issue I was which I was using the same variable for biggestHeight and rewriting that with the index. I'd check the largest height and update a new variable for the index and return the index not the height variable

PiPrevalis: or I apologize that's a totally different game don't mind me... lmao

Afraaz1: no thats the same game

Afraaz1: thank you

Afraaz1: for some reason i shoot the same mountain over and over

PiPrevalis: oh no worries! Hope that helps!

Afraaz1: ill have to add an array

Afraaz1: that does help

Afraaz1: i was returning highest height not index

struct: yeah you can also have 2 vars

PiPrevalis: yeah I was shooting mountain 4 every time lol

struct: so you keep track of the highest_mountain_height, highest_mountain_index;

struct: you will need to store both

PiPrevalis: ^that's how I ended up doing it, without creating a new array

Afraaz1: how does that stop you from firing the same mountain over and over

Afraaz1: ohh

Astrobytes: overwrite it every time you see a higher value

Afraaz1: i need to reset the variables

struct: if they are inside the while loop

struct: they are reseted

struct: because it goes out of scope

Afraaz1: thanks i was putting the reset outside the loop out of habit

Razovsky: hey 5DN1L

Razovsky: U Talked about codeacademy earlier

Razovsky: i went on the website, it might be what i was looking for actually, so thanks

Razovsky: i have langage and algorithm knowledge thanks to this website, but i don't know how to build usefull competences for a real job as a dev

Astrobytes: yo Razovsky, regarding CTFs and things for stego challenges, check CTFTime.org and sites like hackthebox for non-competitive CTFs. Sites like hackthissite etc are good for practicing on a puzzle-type basis

Astrobytes: *CTFtime is for contest CTFs

Razovsky: thx Astrobytes

Razovsky: crypto really please me

Astrobytes: here's another list: https://www.sjoerdlangkemper.nl/2018/12/19/practice-hacking-with-vulnerable-systems/

Razovsky: thx !

Razovsky: u rock

Astrobytes: np :)

Razovsky: by the way what would you advice to somebody which never study computer science but who manages to do well on this site and might consider switching to dev/computer science jobs ?

Astrobytes: donno, never did a CS degree

BlaiseEbuth: :popcorn:

xAzaelx: Dunno bout other countries, but in Germany i"d say always yes

Astrobytes: yes to what?

DevJacob: SW Dev/engineer is a great position. You get paid to be stressed!

Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth: why the popcorn?

xAzaelx: Consider going for a dev job

Astrobytes: ah

BlaiseEbuth: Because it's good?

xAzaelx: because its easy to get a job and its well paid

xAzaelx: and if you have fun coding anyways that a huge plus

BlaiseEbuth: Was answering to Astrobytes.

BlaiseEbuth: Do you want popcorn?

Astrobytes: Razovsky: I'd probably start by learning some frameworks, tech stacks etc, make a meaningful portfolio of projects on github, contribute to OSS projects

jk_java: Razovsky: go for it, if you do well here, you will lern what is required fast in real life as well

jk_java: you will be fixing somebody elses code anyway

Astrobytes: but don't ask me, I do well on this site but no CS education or dev job

jk_java: most real life devs woudl not do well here tbh

BlaiseEbuth: You almost have a phd in an interesting domain and you deliberately want to drop it to become a corporate slave? :think:

PatrickMcGinnisII: ^ only time i agree w/ mr. demon

Astrobytes: what is the phd?

PiPrevalis: :grimacing:

Astrobytes: what domain I mean

jk_java: Razovsky: maybo also consider going into data science - the coding there is more about solving problem and datascience is in high demand

jk_java: also DevOps - small programs that automate deployment and super high demand now

BlaiseEbuth: Geology iirc.

Astrobytes: How dare you call geology interesting! Blasphemy!

Astrobytes: (never enjoyed that :D )

Astrobytes: but yeah, I'd finish that first before anything else

BlaiseEbuth: Do we already had a disagreement PatrickMcGinnisII? :thinking:

Astrobytes: that's a lot of years of hard work to throw away

jk_java: there might be CS jobs in geology i guess as well

jk_java: most science is data science

PatrickMcGinnisII: have a good day, i could debate the computer guru stuff for hours, but I have actual RL stuff to do. My Galleon Wars improves everyday, not that I have resubbed it yet.

PatrickMcGinnisII: laterz

Astrobytes: I've used my knowledge in various domains/jobs over the years

jk_java: :cocktail:

Astrobytes: never used an MCTS or alphabeta at any job mind you :P

BlaiseEbuth: What did I do to Patrick? :thinking:

Astrobytes: nothing afaik

BlaiseEbuth: :shrug:

Razovsky: ill throw nothing away

Razovsky: and i do way better than casual geology

Razovsky: im a seismologist darling

Astrobytes: ugh, even worse. Moho measurements made me fall asleep

Razovsky: but as i have facilities in coding, and research is an unstable domain

Astrobytes: :rofl:

Razovsky: i am asking myself on becoming a dev

Razovsky: Astrobytes if i had been ur teacher

Razovsky: u would have love every bit

Astrobytes: :D

BlaiseEbuth: Well... Slavery is pretty stable

Astrobytes: well, you know you best, pretty sure you can combine CS and seismology though

Astrobytes: best of both worlds

Astrobytes: And yeah, research isn't all it's cracked up to be

Afraaz1: anyone does the ASCII art challenge

daddy0resist: stfu

daddy0resist: im sexy big black dude

daddy0resist: slavery is good because we are putting a toaster inside my toaster

MSmits: what song is this?

IhorKostiuk: Wow

IhorKostiuk: How to get an Internship

IhorKostiuk: So tough

Astrobytes: don't do what that other guy did

BlaiseEbuth: Make great coffee and nice photocopies.

Spressed: Hello guys

derjack: :upside_down:

MSmits: my eval bot is close to 45% vs my random rollout bot now

MSmits: was 32% before

MSmits: if i can tweak it more, maybe it can get better

Cakeboy57: bla bla

MSmits: that's what i said

derjack: uttt?

MSmits: yeah

derjack: eval in uttt? :scream:

MSmits: yep

Aldoggen: whoa, you were 8th with random rollout?

MSmits: well everyone and their mom uses random rollout on uttt

Aldoggen: hehe :)

Aldoggen: my mom doesn't

MSmits: that you know of

Aldoggen: what kind of eval?

Aldoggen: XD

MSmits: just features that make sense for an uttt board

Nerchio: if(loss) eval -= 100000;

MSmits: winning miniboards and such

Aldoggen: I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. is there no way for a procrastinate-winning-miniboards-and-catch-up-later kind of strategy to be viable?

MSmits: yeah definitely

Aldoggen: so winning miniboards doesn't necessarily mean winning the game

MSmits: correct

Aldoggen: or i guess it depends at what depth you're looking

Aldoggen: if you're looking near the end of the game it would probably be ok

MSmits: no this is a universal truth. Winning miniboards does not mean winning the game

MSmits: but it can help

Aldoggen: ah, all right

Aldoggen: still don't know the rules :)

MSmits: thats why i have a bunch of features

MSmits: with parameters

Aldoggen: at first I thought you needed to treat the big board like a normal ttt

MSmits: well you kinda do

Aldoggen: now it's just a matter of tuning the parameters :)

MSmits: yeah working on it

MSmits: as long as it beats my other bot i'll be happy

Aldoggen: hehe :

MSmits: need to get from 45% wr to 50% +

Aldoggen: you could do something with gradient descent maybe

derjack: how many params?

MSmits: i should yeah, but i need to get a pipeline for that

MSmits: 8 params

MSmits: atm

derjack: brute force it is, then

MSmits: might drop some and gain some new ones

Aldoggen: I think assuming strength of the bot is smooth in the parameters is a pretty bold statement tho

MSmits: yea at first will do brute force

MSmits: it's not, there's definite local optima

YurkovAS: how many rollouts you have? > 60k in 2 turn?

MSmits: way more

Aldoggen: I won't deny there are local optima, but idk if gradient descent will work

Aldoggen: but good luck :)

MSmits: 1 million rollout on first turn, dunno 2nd, it has visits from reuse

MSmits: 255k visits on 2nd turn, but that includes from root

MSmits: 164k visits on 3rd

YurkovAS: root visits?

MSmits: 150k on 4th

MSmits: yeah backpropagated to root

Nickkkkkk: Hi :)

MSmits: but i reuse tree so it keeps visits from earlier turn

MSmits: oh wait nvm i do keep track of rollouts

MSmits: it's around 100k

Westicles: Only needs one more approval. ASCII art!

Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/23544778f13fa4bdcec80adea8db1bc2c4f4f

MSmits: brb

YurkovAS: MSmits 100k rollouts with smart playouts phase?

YurkovAS: or only random

MSmits: no, this is a new bot

MSmits: it has no playouts

MSmits: selection -> expansion -> eval

MSmits: it ranks around 12th

MSmits: pretty happy with it

MSmits: needs more tuning though, maybe it can go higher

MSmits: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/multi-tic-tac-toe/msmits

MSmits: look what I did to Bowwow =)

YurkovAS: :thumbsup:

Aldoggen: you made him bow

PewPewBewm: M$mits... you're welcome : )

struct: finally positive win rate vs MSmits

struct: I can finally retire

MSmits: not compared to my best bot struct, but i definitely improved evalbot

YurkovAS: and vs me :smile:

MSmits: no it seems to suck vs you. From cg stats it also seems very unstable. I guess it's more deterministic because no random playout

struct: add rand to select like jace k

PewPewBewm: Ooops.sorry .... Westicles Y W : ) Apologies, can't see straight today. Got code eyes : )

MSmits: i might add rand yes struct

MSmits: would help with the tuning i guess

PewPewBewm: Westlicles. I ran your submission a few days ago. Just gave it its third approval.

Westicles: Well done PewPewBewm! The french are going to hate it :P

PewPewBewm: Man, I need to sleep ... I am a zombie. 27 hours awake and counting... been living on coke and headache tablets.

PewPewBewm: Gonna sleep before my body decides to hurt me bad

PewPewBewm: o/

Psyho: did people try RAIC? is it fun?

Psyho: is it morally good to participate there? :thinking:

Psyho: *is it moral

struct: I didnt like the viewer so I decided to skip it :p

struct: Also no money prizes if you dont have a russian bank account

YurkovAS: MSmits for smart rollouts i evaluate all moves, sort by score and choose by random: best moves choose frequently (FastRand(movesCount + N))

Psyho: "Also no money prizes if you dont have a russian bank account" I would donate it anyway, honestly

Psyho: otherwise feels weird

struct: thats fair

MSmits: sounds complicated YurkovAS

Astrobytes: Psyho: for me personally there is no moral issue for this kind of thing, I have zero issues with ordinary russians

TimeEngineer: Hey struct, did you understand what Jacek mean when he said -Qmax ? Is it for player who win too ?

YurkovAS: rollouts count drop from 70k -> 40k winrate +15%

Astrobytes: I thought it was kind of unfair that a lot of sites excluded RU participants, was glad CG did not

struct: derjack

TimeEngineer: Oh MSmits is there too !

MSmits: yeah!

MSmits: :cheer:

TimeEngineer: :wave:

Psyho: I guess I look at it from the company perspective: what's the relation between VK (sponsor) and the government

Psyho: most places I've seen just disallowed Russian people to represent Russia (which I think is... okayish?)

Astrobytes: It's a minefield (not a pun) really/

Astrobytes: *really.

MSmits: participation as an individual only representating yourself, should be ok in any case

struct: a quick search and it seems to have ties to it psyho

struct: TimeEngineer im not sure about what jacek said

struct: My knowledge of NNs is pretty bad

Astrobytes: Yeah we know struct, that's the moral dilemma

TimeEngineer: Oh

MSmits: Qmax sounds like the highest value child

TimeEngineer: Yeah

struct: ah I thought he meant as a question, my bad

MSmits: -Qmax could refer to the parent gettign the value of the negated max value child

MSmits: but i am totally guessing

Psyho: " amid a significant overhaul of the firm’s shareholder structure that has seen state-owned entities assume control" ah yeah

Psyho: struct: that was a question, yes :)

Astrobytes: ah I thought you were aware

Astrobytes: my bad

Psyho: that would be my blind guess, but I didn't check

Psyho: + mostly I'm just curious what do people on CG think about it

Psyho: but yeah, it's essentially competing in a contest sponsored (indirectly) by russian government

TimeEngineer: For my DQN, in tic tac toe, I used the same NN for training, the common case is to propagate Qcurr(s, a) = R + yQmax(s') where s = state and a = action

TimeEngineer: But Jacek mentionned -Qmax

darkhorse64: I would not touch it with a ten foot pole

Astrobytes: it's only this year that there is this issue

darkhorse64: even before

Astrobytes: yeah I know, you said in 2020, but I'm just pointing it out ;)

Darleanow: BOBLOB

struct: TimeEngineer https://cg.spdns.eu/wiki/Chat:World/2022-07-04

darkhorse64: I do not see participating as safe and now there is a moral on top of that

struct: Ctrl+F Qmax

darkhorse64: a moral issue

darkhorse64: you may call me paranois

TimeEngineer: Oh thanks ! struct

darkhorse64: paranoid

darkhorse64: :mask:

struct: I understand you darkhorse64

Astrobytes: It would be slightly odd for them to distribute malware in their runner or whatever tbh but I get you

Astrobytes: I believe that a competition full of programmers would have noticed something amiss by now.

darkhorse64: I meant personal safety

CipherEmber: Should I choose webdev or gamedev? I want to do something interesting and useful for the world. I'm having a hard time choosing.

Astrobytes: Personal info or physical darkhorse64?

struct: CipherEmber https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLAi_cmly6Q

darkhorse64: personal info

Psyho: gamedev = fun, lower wages, crunch times webdev = boring

Astrobytes: what you give is minimal, and if there was strange data gathering going on it would have been noticed I'm sure

struct: also depends on the company ofc

darkhorse64: I have a complete distrust in everything that comes from this country even though I have been once there and loved the people, culture, ...

Astrobytes: that's fair, and understandable

Psyho: out of curiosity: where do you trust in Chinese software on that scale?

Psyho: *where do you put

darkhorse64: the concern is more about the government. In both cases, very low

Astrobytes: I wouldn't trust that either

CipherEmber: what are you talking about

CodoMojo: Hi, i have just a simple question how much 10^26 equal in base Ten??

MSmits: it equals 10^26

Astrobytes: :D

Astrobytes: That's like the person asking for examples of what the greatest common divisor is

CipherEmber: the greatest common divisor ls 10^26

CipherEmber: :D

Zorg1: but in which base ?

CodoMojo: OH,I Got it thanks.

CipherEmber: Approximately 800 employees laid off from Activision Blizzard

CipherEmber: OMG

waterproofsodium: # AI is real ?

CipherEmber: real, but Is it possible to create consciousness?

MSmits: sure it is

waterproofsodium: who cares if it takes our jobs?

MSmits: just find someone of the opposite sex and get crackin'

waterproofsodium: mankind creates problems faster than they solve them..

MSmits: speak for yourself. I solve a lot more problems than I create. Did not make one contribution so far and solved 100+ puzzles

Astrobytes: heh heh heh

Nerchio: sounds like a parasite :joy:

MSmits: and proud of it

MSmits: if more people were like me, Westicles would have a life

waterproofsodium: I was neither speaking for you nor for me. I spoke about the average. obviously we're still not out of nuclear war era given the current situation so that problem is not solved as one example. but already new ones are on the horizon which we don't know how to deal with

waterproofsodium: hopefully the trend is changing, but I cannot bet on that

PewPewBewm: I'm an fully optimised problem generator some days ; )

CipherEmber: Horizon Zero Dawn comes true.

Astrobytes: waterproofsodium: I believe he was joking ;)

PewPewBewm: You ever start the day with code that was beautiful and just needed a couple of little tweaks ...

... and ended the day deleting the project folder and sobbing ?

waterproofsodium: oh ok :P

PewPewBewm: :P

Westicles: MSmits, the puzzles are coming at a trickle these days, so lots of life here

Astrobytes: PewPewBewm: Have you heard of this fancy thing called version control? :P

PewPewBewm: I have... it's on my todo list...

... there's a LOT of things on my todo list. LOL

MSmits: ah good to hear Westicles

CipherEmber: I love math. Codding after math and it made fractal cabbage

CipherEmber: :D

PewPewBewm: there's infinite vitamins in a fractal cabbage...

waterproofsodium: MSmits I finally understood your joke :D

MSmits: yes some of my jokes age like fine wine

waterproofsodium: I shall put the next one in a shelf to consume later

MSmits: preferably in a cold environment

khanglovesIT: https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/iSm-Zz3-j19-QoW

Omar-bit: yo

khanglovesIT: ok pls join :)

KAnos: https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/iSm-Zz3-j19-QoW

PatrickMcGinnisII: game drives me nutz https://www.codingame.com/replay/650143672

khanglovesIT: https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/iSm-Zz3-j19-QoW CAN ANYONE HELP ME PLS

eulerscheZahl: sorry, i can't unpress capslock for you. that's something you have to do yourself

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