chanheki: Hey guys
Saturnnetowl: how do you lucid dream
jacek: question the reality once in a while
GroutchKeu: o/
Saturnnetowl: ok
derjack: :upside_down:
hejamandajiri: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/2484826c6acb460ecf96b02ee97e678bfc89d93
hejamandajiri: I'm sorry wrong place
derjack: :rage:
derjack: another french feature puzzle :thinking:
Westicles: zut alors
Westicles: At this point I think it is some kind of subtle civil disobedience
JGXIANG: :grinning:
struct: so optimization with sharing?
derjack: oh its an optim. is this first featured optim?
struct: maybe I think there was a potw optim
struct: where you just had to submit
struct: but I dont think it was an event
derjack: 2048 was potw
struct: yeah but it was before events I think
struct: I'm not sure
derjack: eeyup
Crosility: Oooh, a new puzzle
wlesavo: i think NS and SR were potw also, before the events
wlesavo: wait, best solution revealed for an optim? thats doesnt feel right
5DN1L: [CG]Thibaud what do you think?
derjack: Automaton2000 what do you think?
Automaton2000: hey, does anyone know how to continue
struct: I don't dislike sharing solutions.
derjack: optim is competition
struct: I would share any of my bots
derjack: feature bot programming would also reveal best bot?
struct: But I would not share it with every1
wlesavo: well it is ok to share, but share publicly is just ruining the game for everyone who will be plaing it after the event
Crosility: Maybe it won't be here after?
Crosility: Or will be tweaked?
Razovsky: hi, can someone give me the parameters of testcase 9 of this puzzle
Razovsky: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/a-childs-play
Razovsky: somehow i don't validate it, i don't understand
5DN1L: same as test 9 except second input
derjack: oh, eulers site is down
Razovsky: thx all
salvation2022: Brothers, how can we make this web page Chinese?
Razovsky: what
derjack: add opening books
salvation2022: CodinGame how to Chinese web page?
Aldoggen: language is based on your location
struct: You can't
Aldoggen: I'm stuck with french and I don't llke it
struct: only French and english
5DN1L: Aldoggen you can change the language in settings
5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/settings
wlesavo: and in the bottom of the main page
Aldoggen: I meant french in the chat, but if codingame only supports english and french, maybe everyone has that chat?
Aldoggen: in that case I'll stop mentioning it :p
Aldoggen: thanks for the help though!
5DN1L: you can /leave fr
Aldoggen: :o
Aldoggen: "You cannot leave this channel."
Aldoggen: lmao
5DN1L: oh
5DN1L: never heard of that before :joy:
5DN1L: should i try /leave world ?
Aldoggen: if it doesn't work with fr I doubt it will with world
Aldoggen: lemme see
Aldoggen: nope
derjack: you cant leave france? :scream:
Aldoggen: welp, guess I'm also stuck in france now
5DN1L: and in your settings page is English or French selected?
Aldoggen: english
5DN1L: how interesting
Aldoggen: so the website itself is in english
5DN1L: i wonder if some people face the same issue as you
5DN1L: never heard of such an issue before
Aldoggen: probably everyone in belgium
Aldoggen: maybe everyone in canada
salvation2022: How to set Chinese in the home page
Aldoggen: I mean, for about half the people in belgium it's not an issue, since they speak french
5DN1L: salvation2022, just like how you translate other webpages
5DN1L: no settings here
vincent_manuceau: hello all o/ thank you 5DN1L for your comment on my contrib it was very nice of you ! https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/230493f0d3b43790212bca9b4326d671acb47
salvation2022: I can't, family
5DN1L: np vincent_manuceau
Aldoggen: yo vincent
vincent_manuceau: yo ^^
Aldoggen: @5DN1L you're doing an incredible job with the contributions, I always see you pop up over there, with a lot of nice suggestions
5DN1L: well I try my best :)
Aldoggen: I can tell :)
5DN1L: upvote my comments if you like them :stuck_out_tongue:
Aldoggen: true that :)
5DN1L: heehee
Darleanow: Hello !!
struct: hi
Darleanow: guys i have a new clash !!
Darleanow: I hope it will be better than the previous one x)
Darleanow: How r u struct ?
struct: I'm alright, still a bit tired from the contest
Darleanow: this was too hard imo xDD
Darleanow: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/23247a50fa5d61440a2ee3203597a02a9aef8
Darleanow: here it is if some ppl are interested to check it out
Darleanow: which league have u reached so far struct ?
struct: I didnt make it past gold
Darleanow: ow :/
Darleanow: u'll do better next one !
~Gambit~: @struct I only managed to reach silver. i used mostly conditions. can u give some advice on how to approach card type contest. what kind of algo i should use
struct: ~Gambit~ you could check the forum postmortems, I used brute force depth 1
struct: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/green-circle-feedback-strategies/196574
struct: You can check there what top players used
~Gambit~: ah ok. thnx
struct: I tried all possible actions from move up to release
struct: but at last day I decided to prune some actions and my bot dd better
struct: still was not enough for legend
~Gambit~: need to improve myself for the next contest
struct: play some bot programming games
struct: to practice
struct: It should help
~Gambit~: yeah i started. currently doing tic-tac-toe one
derjack: :+1:
derjack: struct do you have a replay when top player use prio task with bonus card?
struct: no, I was just trolling you
struct: it might not be important at all
derjack: phew
struct: Was it too much work to add?
derjack: dunno i didnt bother
derjack: but maybe ill try adding my last action to inputs
Darleanow: making my ad: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/23247a50fa5d61440a2ee3203597a02a9aef8
Darleanow: if some people could upvote/downvote depending on how it is :))
Crosility: Idea is nice, wording is rough, commented a possible improvement.
Aldoggen: +1 that
Aldoggen: I'm commenting too
Westicles: I really don't want to do this tennis puzzle. Somebody tell me I can skip it
Aldoggen: of course you can
Westicles: many thanks
derjack: no you cannot
Westicles: :rage:
Darleanow: thanks guys
iGalixtic: yoo
Aldoggen: yo
Aldoggen: @Darleanow make sure to put a little more effort in your texts before you ask for feedback. You can do it, I know you can :)
Darleanow: i'm sorry my english isn't really good :/
AstaWisdom: yo
AstaWisdom: Anyone Tried this Block the spreading fire?
Aldoggen: @Darleanow I'm glad to help with language mistakes, but you can make your structure much clearer. Let me add something to my comment
Darleanow: i'm doing what you told me to do !!
Darleanow: and modified a bit my code :)
Aldoggen: I'll look at it in a minute :)
Aldoggen: I think you still need to look at line 1 of the input section, and at the tests.
Gangbi34567: hi guys
Aldoggen: yo
Gangbi34567: yo whats up bro
Darleanow: but i added the n=0 case , and tried to clearify it
Darleanow: isnt it good ?:o
Crosility: Line 1: a number 'n' strings - or something. I upvoted however, IDE test was fine, matched new description.
Crosility: It's easily enough to understand, and functions properly.
Darleanow: nice !
Aldoggen: @Darleanow oh, I'll refresh the page in a minute. still writing.
Darleanow: aight man !
Crosility: Thanks for contributing content Darleanow :]
Crosility: I hope someday to as well.
Darleanow: Thanks man ! :)
Darleanow: Of course that you can, if i can, you can !
Crosility: I'd moderator CoC approve, but, need 50 CoC standoffs.
Crosility: Nowhere near that yet though.
HenroLST: dang, how become mod?
Aldoggen: it's not really moderator, more like trusted user
HenroLST: ah
Aldoggen: and as Crosility said, 50 clash of code completions suffices
Darleanow: fixed what u've said Aldoggen
Aldoggen: I'll look at it
Aldoggen: "Write a program that swaps upper or lowercase for a letter if it's ASCII value is even" do you mean if it's in an even position?
vincent_manuceau: Hello guys here is the next Mooo CoC please approve if you like ! https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/23248829c095cfff56805a6b6da99d2ac9f38
Crosility: Sorry, yes Aldoggen, correct. Just the descriptor in the site states moderator. You achieve moderator (for approval means) status once you've done 50 CoC according to the quest tree.
crass: anyone know if I can practice clash of code games by myself untimed?
HenroLST: you could do puzzles instead, not sure if you can do coc untimed unless you go in a game, grab the problem and some test cases, then work on your own time
crass: thanks
HenroLST: np
ThomasGottschalk: Gabi>Jürg
GNye22: Hey does anyone know what incrementing an empty list in python does?
GNye22: ex: l = [] l+=1
Aldoggen: wow, good question
Aldoggen: can always try it out
Aldoggen: I think it stays an empty list
GNye22: is there a blank ide on the site? or do I have to go into an activity
GNye22: And it obviously does something cuz this guy used it to count sequences
Aldoggen: you can search python compiler online in your favourite search engine
ThomasGottschalk: Gabi>>>>>>>>
Aldoggen: l = []
l += 1
gives me an error
Aldoggen: you sure that's python code?
ThomasGottschalk: gabi<Jürg
GNye22: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/2d74660f-643b-4224-883a-3d235f57083e
GNye22: ughhh pastebins are still broken???
Aldoggen: apparently yep
Aldoggen: copy paste it in private chat?
GNye22: here: this is the source code: https://pastebin.com/c2bKK5JY
ThomasGottschalk: guys who do you more prefer gabi or jürg
GNye22: We take a sequence of characters and determine if its decreasing or increasing
GNye22: and as soon as the sequence changes, we print the length of each sequence
ThomasGottschalk: I say Gabi>Jürg
GNye22: so for example Cable = 2-2-1
ThomasGottschalk: GUYS
ThomasGottschalk: Gabi or Jürg
ThomasGottschalk: decide
Aldoggen: your mom
Aldoggen: ok let me look at the pastebin
Urutar: ThomasGottschalk, what are you talking about? Is it coding related?
ThomasGottschalk: Yes they Gabi and Jürg are professional coders and I wanna know who the people think is better
Urutar: Without more data to go on, that would be an entirely uninformed decision.
Aldoggen: GNye22 I found it
Aldoggen: he's adding a tuple to r
lifetimeLearner007: n=32; print(n/(-n&n)
why is this same as
n=32; while(n%2==0)n/=2; print(n); ?
Aldoggen: on lines 16 and 19 right?
Aldoggen: there's a comma behind the 1 and 0
eulerscheZahl: -n&n: gets the last bit that's 1 in binary
Loris_z30: hey gregory
ThomasGottschalk: Hoi Loris
eulerscheZahl: e.g. binary 1100101000 becomes 1000
ThomasGottschalk: Loris Gabi or Jürg
Loris_z30: what is a for schlaufe
eulerscheZahl: every bit before is set to 0
Loris_z30: i think gabi
ThomasGottschalk: Same
Loris_z30: you?
ThomasGottschalk: Gabi Goat
Loris_z30: no goat is jacko
Uljahn: pls no flood here
eulerscheZahl: if you need more input, switch to private message lifetimeLearner007 chat is getting too spammy here
GNye22: Ok, im kind of new to python, so I thought tuples were like key,value pairs. So how does r+=1 add a tuple?
Loris_z30: ou sorry
Loris_z30: please dont hit me
Aldoggen: there's a comma behind the integer literal
Aldoggen: it's r += 1,
Aldoggen: the comma acts as syntactic sugar
ThomasGottschalk: Loris and I we are gay do you guys support and accept us
Urutar: Neat :O
Loris_z30: ThomasGottschalk thats not coding relevant
Urutar: ThomasGottschalk, this is not at all coding related. Noone minds anyones orientation, but that does NOT belong here.
Urutar: You can either chat privately, in a channel or coding related stuff here.
Loris_z30: Urutar:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Aldoggen: that's arguably a feature that's more annoying than useful, but it becomes useful when you do things like x,y = y,x. this switches the values of x and y
Loris_z30: cap
GNye22: @Aldoggen ok, I'm still kinda confused
Urutar: Neat things in python :)
Aldoggen: just think of "1," as shorthand for tuple(1)
Aldoggen: it's a bit too much for me
Aldoggen: I'd rather have type safety
Aldoggen: oh god I was inconsistent with using quotes
GNye22: Ok, I guess it makes sense for now
Aldoggen: aand tuple(1) gives syntax errors. tuple expects an iterable
GNye22: I'm stepping through in the compiler
Aldoggen: so I guess tuple([1])
Uljahn: or just (1,)
Aldoggen: well yeah :)
Aldoggen: GNye22 in the case of "r += 1,", it's just the same as "r.append(1)".
ccxyuan: 蝙蝠侠那关怎么过的，我只过了前三个
derjack: those opening books eh
Aldoggen: I'm tempted to install chinese support for my keyboard and just go ham with facerolling on it
Aldoggen: nobody would know I didn't speak chinese, except that one guy
Astrobytes: Optim as weekly event? Revealing best solutions? ;o
Astrobytes: :o
eulerscheZahl: just randomly paste parts of the initial message
eulerscheZahl: wait, let me check
eulerscheZahl: the fire
eulerscheZahl: i haven't even coded that one yet
Astrobytes: nothing serious here either
eulerscheZahl: i think it can be done as a flow algo to get an outline of where to cut. which you can then shrink
eulerscheZahl: flow algo like i did on topcoder for the christmas elves
Astrobytes: Yes that seems a plausible approach
Astrobytes: Just make sure you hardcode it if you get a 'best solution' :P
eulerscheZahl: will they really reveal it?
derjack: wait till onitama will be featured event and best bot revealed
eulerscheZahl: i mean i see it. but might be just bad UI
Astrobytes: I suspect not, but it does still have the dates on the puzzle landing page
Astrobytes: yeah
wlesavo: i think this was not supposed to happen, but i hope it will be adressed at some point, I know in previous events you could see the different solutions even if you didn't solve the task, so not only the best solution is revealed but basically all of them
eulerscheZahl: maybe we should warn CG and make sure it doesn't happen?
eulerscheZahl: nah :popcorn:
Westicles: there's no way to publish on an optim
wlesavo: tibo was pinged here, but i think someone should mention it on discord
Astrobytes: You never know... that publish button might just do something this time...
eulerscheZahl: he once mentioned that chat pings don't work for him
eulerscheZahl: might be the [ ] in the name
Westicles: only published solutions show
eulerscheZahl: my publish button broke some months ago anyways
wlesavo: Westicles oh right, that can save the situation
eulerscheZahl: it's just not publishing anymore
Westicles: 9/10 french now :P
GNye22: Anyone know how clash of code score is calculated? it says you gain min(N,5000)^((N-c+1)/N), so by my calculations coming in first of a group of 8 should increase your score by 8, but it doesn't?
chocolatecake: fjtwy
Aldoggen: so after doing a game of CoC, your ranking (C) changes. then the score gets updated with the new C
Aldoggen: N is the total number of players that have a rank in CoC
Aldoggen: if this doesn't solve your problem we both need to be more clear
Aldoggen: oh, I can add that the formula you pasted is (as I interpret it) the total amount of score you get. not the score that gets added
GNye22: Ok, that makes sense, but for example right now my score is 18.16, but I placed first last game so wouldn't my score become 80 then based off of what you just said?
GNye22: or is it calculated as an average between all your games?
Westicles: that formula calculates your CP. leaderboard rank has nothing to do with that
eulerscheZahl: TrueSkill to update scores after each single clash
Aldoggen: you getting placed first in your last game changes your place in the ranking of all players that played CoC. getting first doesn't mean you get to let C = 1.
eulerscheZahl: in short winning gains you points and getting last costs you points. but it also depends on the rank of your opponents how much you gain
Aldoggen: I mean getting first in ONE game doesn't mean you get to set C = 1. if you're first globally, then of course C = 1
eulerscheZahl: the CP only updates once a day
Aldoggen: I guess your confusion comes from the fact that there are kinds of rankings. each CoC has a ranking, where you can be 1/8 for example. CoC as a whole also has a ranking, and there you're currently 1892nd
Aldoggen: and so C = 1892
Aldoggen: that C goes into the formula you pasted, i.e. min(N,5000)^((N-c+1)/N) or whatever, and that formula determines the CoC part of your score
GNye22: oohhhhhhh ok that makes sense now
Aldoggen: glad I could be part of your aha-erlebnis :)
Aldoggen: and once you get the coding points (from the formula) from CoC and the other things on codingame, you add them. that gives the total amount of coding points, which determines your global codingame rank (13286th for you)
Nikanameu: does anyone have an offline training environment for mad pod racing?
Aldoggen: probably
Nikanameu: one to share with me
Aldoggen: oof, don't know that one. maybe if you ask nicely.
Aldoggen: I'm trolling btw
Crosility: Have you read the post mortem links?
Aldoggen: ore there post mortems for those too?
Aldoggen: are*
Crosility: 3 of them, full blog write-ups, to help people design good code for mad pod racing.
Aldoggen: wow
Aldoggen: I'll have to take a look at that when I want to rank up my bot again lol
Crosility: I think that + some runs in IDE should be sufficient. Instead of trying to recreate the environment outside of CodinGame.
Nikanameu: so i need to make my own ok
Aldoggen: maybe someone in chat is willing to give you his, but currently there aren't many people online
Crosility: Completed my puzzle for the day.
Crosility: Enjoy friends.
Aldoggen: which one?
Aldoggen: gratz :)
Crosility: Lumen, Easy Category.
Aldoggen: coll one :)
FlyingCow: could people review my clash ? https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/23082426330b08cf05c30641e8564813241a9
eulerscheZahl: that's an easy one, even by clash standards
wlesavo: make it a valid convex polygon :smiley:
wlesavo: i think for a polygon the condition is basically the same, but the cheking for it will be a bit more complex
wlesavo: and you can even make a stress test for n^2 solutions to timeout :slight_smile:
Crosility: I tested your clash, don't have anything to comment officially. I gave it an upvote. But, it's on the easy side.
Crosility: @ FlyingCow
Razovsky: Westicles explain yourself
Razovsky: https://www.codingame.com/training/easy/kiss-the-girls
Razovsky: XD
Westicles: A puzzle for the modern age :P
Razovsky: "the future is now old man" XD
Urutar: What, no solutions? Oh no, whatever should we do XD
Razovsky: "i kissed a girl and i liked it" :notes:
jacek: is this like https://www.codingame.com/training/medium/the-urinal-problem
Razovsky: nah jacek this one is serious
Razovsky: helped me a lot
Razovsky: in real life (simulations) situations
wlesavo: Westicles i think the statement should be "without his TOTAL odds of catching monkeypox"
wlesavo: or smth like that
Razovsky: and btw it seems simple, but i dont get why i don't get it right
Razovsky: oh
Razovsky: probabilities
Razovsky: ayaa
Westicles: total as opposed to what?
wlesavo: Westicles opposed to just kiss the girls with the possibility of catching pos less than 40%
Westicles: but that would just be all of them
Razovsky: hey dude
Razovsky: how do u calculate ur proba to get monkeypox ?
Razovsky: p(girl 1) + p(girl 2) ?
Westicles: no
Razovsky: p(girl 1) * p(girl 2) ?
wlesavo: i know, but thats how ive read the statement, and i think i wont be alone in this
Razovsky: or*
wlesavo: well may be im wrong and that should be obvious, idk
eulerscheZahl: https://i.imgur.com/472DDX5.png
does google want to catch santa now?
Urutar: Hah, got it :D
Razovsky: huh
Razovsky: i dont get it
Razovsky: what is the trick Westicles huh ?
BugKiller_328: I tried connect 4 bot with minimax
BugKiller_328: I can't even do depth with 5.
BugKiller_328: I'm getting timeout.
BugKiller_328: I can only do depth with 4
Westicles: Razovsky, do you know basketball? think of the odds of a 70% shooter missing both shots
eulerscheZahl: did you try alpha-beta pruning BugKiller_328?
BugKiller_328: yes. I did pruning
BugKiller_328: maybe my code is bad?
eulerscheZahl: how do you check for the winner?
BugKiller_328: for loop, ArrayList etc.
BugKiller_328: I'm checking winner with 4 for loop
eulerscheZahl: all possible rows on the whole board? or just at the newly places position?
Razovsky: oh
BugKiller_328: all possible rows :(
Razovsky: thx Westicle
Razovsky: thx Westicles
Razovsky: i forgot the (1-not catched) parte
struct: BugKiller_328 bitboards?
Razovsky: okay ! thx Westicles, im just stupid, maths are too far
struct: also how many states do you reach in total with depth 5?
BugKiller_328: no, just tried with 2 dimension array
Westicles: Razovsky, no problem, when I had it as a clash everyone said I needed to explain how that works
jacek: BugKiller_328 c++?
BugKiller_328: Java
jacek: iterative deepening?
BugKiller_328: no
jacek: there you go
eulerscheZahl: duplicate state detection?
BugKiller_328: just minimax with alpha-beta pruning
BugKiller_328: I don't know about iterative deepening yet.
eulerscheZahl: you search to depth X. then if you still have time you start over again to depth X+1
jacek: are you creating new objects over and over again?
BugKiller_328: YES :(
jacek: :scream:
BugKiller_328: :joy:
BugKiller_328: to keep the board state
BugKiller_328: in recursive for minimax,
BugKiller_328: you change board for test, but move it back after that?
jacek: yes. you copy it everytime?
BugKiller_328: yes copy 2 dimension array to make new array
BugKiller_328: every recursive call
jacek: well with bitboards this may be not much difference between copying and changing
BugKiller_328: :nerd:
struct: you should undo move
struct: on connect it should be simple
jacek: so makeMove and undoMove on the same board
struct: also check https://github.com/AdamStelmaszczyk/gtsa
struct: if you know c++
struct: It has TT, and iterative deepening
BugKiller_328: yeah, I know c++
jacek: hmm isola, looks a little bit like amazons?
struct: a bit different but I think the goal is similar
BugKiller_328: even I have many for loop to check winner
struct: this is how I check for a win
struct: or used to check
struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ea066983-4a9f-489f-a3f4-c6a8675cf658
struct: ...
struct: https://pastebin.com/HxZKB35U
struct: I think you should try what jacek suggested
struct: of undoMove
struct: it should help, but I don't know java at all
jacek: you can try visualvm to see what functions take most time
struct: To start with bitboards I would probably recommend another game
Westicles: I can never tell if nicola is just messing with me or not
struct: But I don't know if java is good with them or not
struct: What happened Westicles?
Westicles: Every puzzle he picks some simple thing and writes in the forum he doesn't understand, then 1 stars me
Westicles: I think it is just a running gag :P
jacek: nicola eh
jacek: or tesla
eulerscheZahl: pinging fr, eh?
Westicles: we all have our appointed roles
Darleanow: if someone missed it, here it is :) :https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/23247a50fa5d61440a2ee3203597a02a9aef8
struct: I don't think you have to post it multiple times per day, it takes time for stuff to get approved
Darleanow: oops
Darleanow: sorry !
struct: It's fine
eulerscheZahl: how about addressing the feedback of your other contribution first?
https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/22983c288d1eb034dd97e682447115d29921b?comment=77016
eulerscheZahl: whenever people get pushy and beg for approvals, something deep inside me wants to refuse
SUS12345: ...
Darleanow: I couldn't make my original idea into something worth it or either interesting, that's why i moved on ! :)
Ayza: 2 months still waiting for my contribution to get approved :slight_smile:
Ayza: gotta be patient
eulerscheZahl: this one was waiting for half a year
https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/vindinium
Ayza: looks like it was worth it
jacek: only 5 actions :thinking:
eulerscheZahl: it was waiting for so long because i had early access to create games but the platform wasn't ready to approve them at the point ;)
eulerscheZahl: oh dear. don't do it jacek
jacek: :imp:
jacek: n-player q-learning, that would be interesting
Mr_FaZ3a: hey guys plz what's this error?
EOFError: EOF when reading a line
eulerscheZahl: sounds like you want to read from stdin but there's nothing left to read
Mr_FaZ3a: while not b:
message = input()
b = 0 < len(message)-1 < 100
Mr_FaZ3a: this is the error block
Wishbone: Which language is that?
Mr_FaZ3a: python
eulerscheZahl: undoubtedly C#, regardless of what you want to do with it
xGuGu: C# :heart_eyes:
BrunoFelthes: this optimization event give points to the contests ranking?
waterproofsodium: hi eulerscheZahl did you get foobar?
eulerscheZahl: what?
eulerscheZahl: no idea bruno
waterproofsodium: there's that google foobar challgenge that pops up when you rely too much on google search for good coding ;)
eulerscheZahl: oh, i've heard about that
waterproofsodium: I got past the first 2 levels :D
eulerscheZahl: do i need to login to get it? i always use google without signing in
eulerscheZahl: except if i really need it, like for codejam
waterproofsodium: I think not. I was not logged in, but I was logged in prevoiusly
waterproofsodium: if you get it you can log in on that site
eulerscheZahl: sounds like i'm coding the wrong things to get foobar
waterproofsodium: I will try to solve it
waterproofsodium: haha it's weird yeah. I usually don't code python but I think I triggered it due to a python search
eulerscheZahl: good luck with it. i'm really curious how the questions look like (but keep it to yourself, don't spoil it)
waterproofsodium: thank you
waterproofsodium: if you ever want to see one let me know
eulerscheZahl: will do
eulerscheZahl: i think you also get an invite code to share with someone else when you pass
waterproofsodium: what I heard I get an invite code once past a certain level
waterproofsodium: do you want an invite? :)
eulerscheZahl: no, already too busy as it is
waterproofsodium: haha cheers
waterproofsodium: I'm still waiting for that person here that completed it and got a job offer
eulerscheZahl: do you do it for the job or just for fun?
waterproofsodium: it would not be justified just for fun for me either
waterproofsodium: sure if I manage to crack it I'll be happy about it even if no job
PatrickMcGinnisII: is there a UTF-8 for a half space character?
eulerscheZahl: google it?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+2009
eulerscheZahl: word1 word2 (normal space)
word1 word2 (short space)
eulerscheZahl: i recommend it for units
like "I'm 184 cm tall"
PatrickMcGinnisII: ahh, i found FF00 for half space in UTF16, but wasn't sure about UTF8
PatrickMcGinnisII: hmm, 0xE2 0x80 0x89 ... ok, sry for opening can of worms
Wishbone: If a character exists in Unicode, it has a representation in UTF-8.
PatrickMcGinnisII: was thinking it would be easier to output a hexmap with half space offsets
Wishbone: If you ever need to generate data that has to be read by other systems outside your control, PLEASE avoid those kinds of non-standard characters.
PatrickMcGinnisII: hmm looks like CG converts to full space ... "\xe2\x80\x89" same as " "
Wishbone: Otherwise you risk making someone very angry downstream from you.
jacek: oh my
Wishbone: Source: I'm an integration specialist ;-)
PatrickMcGinnisII: "\xff\x00" => "�"
Wishbone: Yes, that's what happens. U+FFFD.
eulerscheZahl: great job PatrickMcGinnisII
https://i.imgur.com/BUgmgDM.png
eulerscheZahl: my favorite is still ̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤̤
jacek: what was that unicode that broke the chat?
jacek: Automaton2000 can you tell us
Automaton2000: since you can only award tacos once per day
Westicles: oh boy
jacek: hmm doesnt work here
Wishbone: Oh dear...
jacek: https://i.imgur.com/lbjhOSu.png
Wishbone: eulerscheZahl, well done.
derjack: oh it works in firefox
eulerscheZahl: what browser did you use before?
Westicles: heh heh, 2 1-stars
jacek: chromium
eulerscheZahl: i have chromium too
Wishbone: Hey, it stopped.
eulerscheZahl: for your girl kissing Westicles?
Westicles: yes, they debated its finer qualities on #fr
eulerscheZahl: i'd really like to see who voted how
eulerscheZahl: but all i could find is who upvoted the contribution
Wishbone: Westicles, I did that one just now. FYI, I gave it 4 stars.
Westicles: thanks Wishbone
j4at: Automaton2000 how can i solve the event puzzle ?
Automaton2000: when i tried to make it
j4at: makes sense thank you
Wishbone: Westicles, It wasn't to be nice, I thought the problem was interesting. Even if the way it was framed was somewhat questionable ;-)
eulerscheZahl: 1 star is harsh. but you know they are biased when it comes to you
Wishbone: I have no clue who he is, so no bias here :-D
eulerscheZahl: e.g. i was wondering if it's 0 or 1 indexed. and then BAAM, i actually found it in the input description. a rare event
Wishbone: ...who would choose to make it 1-indexed? That would have provoked a 1-star rating from me :-D
eulerscheZahl: and my math failed me, wrong answer
Wishbone: My math was correct, I just forgot to... Ah, sorry, that might be a spoiler.
eulerscheZahl: integer division, all probabilities are 0. facepalm
eulerscheZahl: solved
Wishbone: Ah, that's an easy mistake to make. And easy to fix as well.
Westicles: :tada:
eulerscheZahl: took me less than 5min => it's a clash
jacek: so 1-star?
eulerscheZahl: i rarely vote at al
eulerscheZahl: l
Westicles: it was a clash at first, but everybody said the math was too hard
eulerscheZahl: double prob = 1;
foreach (double k in kisses) {
prob *= 1-k;
if (prob < 0.6) break;
PatrickMcGinnisII: sorting is too hard for clash
Westicles: oh, and that clams guy went off about SJW stuff
Wishbone: The math is pretty easy, I think. It may depend on what sort of education one has had though.
eulerscheZahl: true. i graduated school. clear advantage
Wishbone: Hehe, not all schools in every part of the world are the same ;-)
PatrickMcGinnisII: my old ass signed up for a data mining class ... prof. gonna hate me
eulerscheZahl: not even in the same school
eulerscheZahl: at my place we have to choose 2 subjects, that are taught in more depth
PatrickMcGinnisII: they all insist on using MS access, i hate them
eulerscheZahl: you can pick pretty much anything, even art or sports
eulerscheZahl: mine were math and latin
eulerscheZahl: access? are you out of your mind?
Wishbone: MS Access? Does that still exist?
Astrobytes: DAta mining or data theft? :P
PatrickMcGinnisII: A master in business I-tech apparently requires that you use stuff that you never use in RL
jacek: reinforcement learning?
Wishbone: PatrickMcGinnisII: Ah, that is unfortunately a widespread phenomenon.
PatrickMcGinnisII: didn't have data mining back in the day, we barely used COBOL
Wishbone: I'm grateful that I never had to deal with COBOL. The horror stories I've heard...
**PatrickMcGinnisII is too old for himself
PatrickMcGinnisII: A bank I had dealings with, updated their system w/ an Amiga dialup to FIDOnet ... because apparently they couldn't do the math w/o a VAX... omg I will shutup
Wishbone: Ahhh, FIDOnet. Those were the days...
drawde: Is anyone familiar with training up a bot using 'Alphazero' like approach? I'm interested in what strategies people employ for choosing moves during evaluation while learning. I'm trying to strike a balance between strong play and exploring distinct gamestates, but having some trouble coming up with an effective strategy.
Wishbone: I went to a LAN party once for the points of the node on the BBS I used for it. That was my first real "meeting people IRL that you met online" experience.
jacek: drawde have you seen https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/58137/alphazero-like-implementation-for-oware-abapa-game-codingame/alphazero-like-implementation-for-oware-abapa-game
drawde: yea
jacek: personally i choose final moves with softmax with small temp so best moves are not always chosen
PatrickMcGinnisII: at FSU there was a pascal program named CONFER on the mainframe, we would get together often and drink 'til we were ill. BBS dialups were long distance phone calls for me prior to that, muchless anything else.
jacek: also i have some randomization during UCB selection where i multiply eval part by random [0.9; 1.1]. (i train only value network, not policy network)
drawde: do you use a cutoff where you always choose the 'best' or always choose from a distribution?
drawde: like xth move of the game
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm guessing the error_logs are capable of pushing UTF codes wihthin the json, but not pulling them
jacek: always from distribution
drawde: ok thanks
Westicles: long distance? didn't you have your Cap'n Crunch whistle?
demon123d: hi
PatrickMcGinnisII: can't get Unicode to do what I want in php, i keep trying tho
PatrickMcGinnisII: at least not in the ide
PatrickMcGinnisII: we used our decoder rings
PatrickMcGinnisII: and snail mail
Westicles: be sure to drink your ovaltine
**PatrickMcGinnisII is not that old
j4at: Jacek will you participate in the event ?
jacek: the fire puzzle?
jacek: nah
j4at: okay :)
jacek: so you have some chance
j4at: true lol
j4at: How would you got about solving it if you were to participate? large discrete action space.
jacek: probably graph theory
jacek: https://www.unf.edu/~wkloster/3210/FireSurvey.pdf
j4at: no NN ? jacek
jacek: do i need to use NN for everything? :c
j4at: yes
jacek: im too dumb for variable size inputs
j4at: well, its a hard problem which makes it interesting :)
jacek: :upside_down:
jacek: 903 score :tada:
struct: can you see others solution by just submiting jacek?
j4at: no
jacek: no?
struct: ah only on 6th of july
struct: you are able to vote for the best
struct: so you should be able to see them
struct: on that date
Astrobytes: lets hope not
struct: I tried your 0.9,1.1 thing jacek
struct: on normal mcts
jacek: normal? as with random playouts?
struct: well on the selection
jacek: i mean, its not ept?
struct: yeah on c4
struct: just to see if it made any difference
jacek: did it?
struct: no
jacek: :neutral_face:
j4at: How do you deal with variable input/output jacek ?
struct: he doesnt
jacek: i dont
j4at: hehe
Aldoggen: jacek 10:10ᴾᴹ
"im too dumb for variable size inputs"
Aldoggen: sorry if that was inappropriate
jacek: :neutral_face:
j4at: I either use attention or a "tree", rnns are very bad
jacek: tree?
j4at: Well i'm bad at explaining
j4at: https://ibb.co/ygqbrcS
j4at: Will do the same but in 2 dimensions
j4at: so takes 4 inputs merge them together
j4at: and get the next input
j4at: using the same layers for all of them
jacek: mhm
j4at: It works with whatever number of dimensions which is pretty good
j4at: and good at generalizing
j4at: I actually used for my search race
j4at: because there is variable number of checkpoints
jacek: what are your inputs for search race?
jacek: i always use next1 and next2
struct: Why not just feed 2 next
j4at: the more the better
j4at: I use all checkpoints
struct: so you have 24 checkpoints as input as max'
struct: *?
j4at: 8 because they repeat
j4at: I have another input for that
ael-bekk: hwo is reCurse
ael-bekk: who
struct: one of the strongest players on cg
jacek: why is reCurse
j4at: Its my alt
j4at: jk :p
struct: jacek beat his NN on SR, you are our only hope to bring him back
j4at: I will destroy both of them :p
j4at: I always keep my neural networks dynamic to the max even if they perform worst because they should able to solve whatever problem you give them.
ael-bekk: if reCurse came he'll beat all of us
HenroLST: what is reCurse
Lisa-Has-Ideas: My puzzle has 5 hours to go. I've gotten a ton of likes, but no approvals. Who's Level 20+, and wants to Approve it ?? (Yes I'm pathetically pleading!!)
Lisa-Has-Ideas: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/182986ce43712d2b4e105ac72cacc96208e53
ael-bekk: https://www.codingame.com/profile/e16f1e97c5a70becf16fa6a096e5f9459710041
ael-bekk: this is him
HenroLST: Dang he's even retired
ael-bekk: he is the 1st in many codingame contests
HenroLST: what's his main language?
ael-bekk: c++
HenroLST: Dang
ael-bekk: he is the first in 10 contests :open_mouth:
HenroLST: ...My man's just built different
struct: 10 contests?
struct: I think thats wrong
struct: multiplayers are not contests, there is a big difference
ael-bekk: i missed i want to say he is the first in 10 bot programing
BugKiller_328: hi, for connect-4 I"m using 2 dimension array for board
BugKiller_328: in this case, what is best way to check for win for my last play
BugKiller_328: instead of looping all
BugKiller_328: for check win
struct: check where the piece landed
struct: and check adjacent cells
struct: in 4/8 directions
BugKiller_328: yes. but for example horizontal check
BugKiller_328: my last place peice
BugKiller_328: can be first or second , thrid, or 4th
BugKiller_328: in the conneced 4
BugKiller_328: so I don't know how to implement easily
Aldoggen: loop in both sides and add how far you got
jacek: easiest would be check from lastX-3 to lastX+3 etc.
BugKiller_328: any sample code for it?
jacek: just like you loop all 2d
BugKiller_328: so that I can try to understand
Aldoggen: so let's say you put the last piece as the second from right, then you find one to the right and two to the left. add it and you get 3 additional pieces for a total of 4
jacek: except the begin and end is -3, +3
Aldoggen: lol my first submission for cyborg uprising destroyed wood 3 and wood 2
Darleanow: most of bot games start really slow
Darleanow: but once gold it not the same x)
Aldoggen: yeah, that's where it starts
Aldoggen: guess I'll have to code my way through bronze and silver first
Mr_FaZ3a: how to see the solution of a puzzle ?
PatrickMcGinnisII: Mr_FaZ3a solve it and see others in your lang. solutions, or get a high enough level to view the contribution
PatrickMcGinnisII: and then u see the contributors solution in his/her lang.
Mr_FaZ3a: how to gain contribution?
Mr_FaZ3a: playing clash?
Aldoggen: yes, and solving puzzles
PatrickMcGinnisII: not sure when u can see contributions ... hmm, clash, not the xpert on that
PatrickMcGinnisII: not an expert on much, gtg, glhf
Aldoggen: ah thought he meant levels
PatrickMcGinnisII: someone had a searchable page for clashes...last i looked there were over 700 of them, dunno if solutions were therre or not
Aldoggen: you can probably use the search bar in the main page if you know the name
j4at: https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/
PatrickMcGinnisII: get lvl 12 or so, i think u can view contrib...it's been so long ago
Mr_FaZ3a: the puzzles name is unary
Aldoggen: just the puzzle or code golf?
PatrickMcGinnisII: euler's page ran out of points or something last month, so dunno what's up with it
Mr_FaZ3a: @Aldoggen it's the puzzle name
Mr_FaZ3a: unary
PatrickMcGinnisII: gtg
Aldoggen: Mr_FaZ3a I'll help you find a solution. let's go to private chat (look at the top of chat)
Aldoggen: cya!
Lisa-Has-Ideas: My puzzle has 3 hours to go. I've gotten a ton of likes, but only 1 Approvals. Who's Level 20+, and wants to Approve it ?? (Yes I'm pathetically pleading!!)
Lisa-Has-Ideas: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/182986ce43712d2b4e105ac72cacc96208e53
waterproofsodium: 3 hours what a marathon
HenroLST: sheesh
waterproofsodium: hi henro
HenroLST: whats up waterproofsodium, long time no see :sweat_smile:
waterproofsodium: :)
Darleanow: any c++ masters here ?
waterproofsodium: I like we're now working on algorithms to eliminate forest fires
HenroLST: conservation for the win
kingbojo: eeer
Lisa-Has-Ideas: This perhaps?? https://www.codingame.com/contribute/community?mode=accepted&type=clashofcode
Lisa-Has-Ideas: Geez, nevermind... I think I tried to reply to someone from hours ago. Ignore me.
HenroLST: hi
lysemar: Hi
Aldoggen: yo
iggy12345: @struct do you know, in othello, is the gameboard always the same size, or does it change?
Astrobytes: same size iggy12345
Darleanow: yo, https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/retaining-water is bullshit wtf
Darleanow: i'm measuring avg depth horizontally and vertically
Darleanow: sum them up and divide by 2, and then multiply by width by length
Darleanow: working for the first two's but not for the rest..
hejamandajiri: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/2486357101b8e44d5662a676f1256dc93fe8c34
hejamandajiri: dammit wrong place
hejamandajiri: sorry guys
Westicles: Darleanow heh heh
Darleanow: Westicles i hate you.
Darleanow: x)
Westicles: It was originally supposed to be a clash...
Darleanow: BRUH ?
Darleanow: nobody was gon solve it this fast
Darleanow: oh maybe smaller pools
Darleanow: for example a corner which is
Darleanow: ZZ
ZA
Darleanow: for the a volume, you check z[0][1] and z[1][0] right ?
Westicles: just pour water everywhere and let it flow out
Darleanow: BUT I DID THIS XDDDD
Darleanow: wait look (my code isnt organised), but it is simple
Darleanow: https://pastebin.com/cAmTELdF
Darleanow: okay wait, this one's better for your eyes
Darleanow: https://pastebin.com/pX78YDWG
Darleanow: I'm basically doing avg of horizontal/vertical lines of the pool
Darleanow: OH WAIT
Darleanow: if i have
Darleanow: ZZZZBZ
Darleanow: ZAAAAZ
ZAAAAZ
ZAAAAZ
ZAAAAZ
Darleanow: ZZZZZZ
Darleanow: obviously it will empty itself to b right ?
Darleanow: so max volume would be length*wdith*1(difference between a and b)
Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/community-puzzle-retaining-water/189374/17
Westicles: don't think your approach will work on the crazy ones
Darleanow: okay, sorry for spam, i get the idea, this isn't easy xD
Darleanow: yeah, it worked for first/second ones
Westicles: if it makes you feel better, all of #fr hated it :P
Darleanow: IT DOESNT
Darleanow: french people on CG are impressive, their bots are better than me in clashes xD
Darleanow: i mean, a lot of people in here are impressive
Westicles: just fill water up to Z, then do a while and check if water can flow out of one of the adjacent cells until it stops
struct: I can't solve any puzzle made by westicle s
Darleanow: this guy is scary :o
Darleanow: thanks for the tips Westicles ! I'll try to solve it :)
Westicles: You can solve Probability for Dummies if it is ever approved
Westicles: good luck Darleanow!
Darleanow: i'm not getting any sleep until i've got 100% there x)
Darleanow: thanks mate !
chanheki: Hey guys
