aCat: sorry noone watched this 8h ;p
Phiti: the simulator is bad
struct: which one?
Miki09: gm everyone
struct: gm
struct: this rng games kill me
Miki09: After about hour of debugging, I finally found the bug!
jacek: spoiler alert: it got worse after fixing it
Miki09: hmmm
Miki09: It caused that I was trying to throw cards that I dont have
Miki09: jacek you were right!!
Miki09: fixing it caused another bug
struct: oh no
Miki09: Miki09 provided incorrect input. you do not have a card of type BONUS to deprioritize
oidrissi: You just need to handle that
miobyte: how to handle it?
oidrissi: wait, to deprioritize?
Miki09: hmmmm
StevenV: Boss 4 must move
Boss 4 has in hand: TASK_PRIORITIZATION (3), CONTINUOUS_INTEGRATION (5), TECHNICAL_DEBT (9), BONUS (8)
Boss 4 has not provided an action in time.
Boss 4 was disqualified.
StevenV: boss have bug :*
Miki09: yes
Miki09: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/646233438
StevenV: :D
eulerscheZahl: if only boss 5 was like that
StevenV: well based on number of legends, boss5 is strong
eulerscheZahl: higher bosses are all player codes. totally possible that they have a bug. but doesn't matter as long as their strength is right
eulerscheZahl: boss5 is an idiot. at least character-wise
StevenV: yup
StevenV: still can't get out of silver :(
Miki09: me too
Miki09: submitting
Miki09: https://www.codingame.com/replay/646234472 win againist smour
Nerchio: euler do you have probabilities
eulerscheZahl: no
eulerscheZahl: i have bad gameplay
Nerchio: :D
Miki09: Does anybody know what is the fastest time you can win a game?
Nerchio: 1 turn if your opponent times out
struct: depends if opponent helps you
Miki09: if he isnt there
Miki09: and if eberything goes perfect
Miki09: I think it can be about 15 to 20 moves
Miki09: but idk
Nerchio: i've seen people win on their 2nd pass so i am sure its a lot faster
Miki09: hmm
StevenV: I would call it OTK
Nerchio: i fix one thing another one falls apart :grimacing:
aCat: how it works - if I use review to generate 2 bonuses on empty discard
aCat: and then e.g. training I can pull them on the same turn?
struct: I would say yes
struct: but havent tested
kovi: you mean empty draw + empty discard
aCat: aye
struct: I saw on the referee that bonus do get added to the discard pile
struct: so it should work
aCat: https://imgur.com/a/2rivmBk
aCat: running 6 then running 0
aCat: ah no action 6 on this image, but you know what I mean
struct: then you should draw 2 bonus
struct: Anyways I'm going to see if I can rest a bit
jacek: since yesterday whenever i submit to arena i have recaptcha
jacek: i submited second time today
jacek: "boss5 is an idiot. at least character-wise" :rage:
eulerscheZahl: i stand by my opinion
jacek: then all below him are idioter
DaNinja: :D
jacek: oh, where are my manners
jacek: happy Caturday!
**WhatTrickeryIsThis trhows banana into jacek's mouth
eulerscheZahl: that came unexpected
jacek: -That. - she
WhatTrickeryIsThis: nha, cheeky ones are the male gender
eulerscheZahl: i'm confused: https://www.codingame.com/replay/646292069
eulerscheZahl: frame 13: i TRAIN
eulerscheZahl: frame 14 actually
eulerscheZahl: frame 15: i want to automate a bonus. it's my opponents turn?
kovi: maybe you draw 2xtd
eulerscheZahl: draw what?
kovi: on train
eulerscheZahl: ah, 2 x technical debt
eulerscheZahl: you guys and your acronyms
kovi: what is misleading in these cases
is you see next turn draw already
eulerscheZahl: yes that can be it. the viewer always confuses me
eulerscheZahl: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/green-circle/eulerscheZahl
maybe i should not spam submit
kovi: nice score
now its time to overfit
eulerscheZahl: go Sheeeesh
eulerscheZahl: just kick the boss harder than me
jacek: oh my
mannouao: go gooo Sheeesh you can do it
kovi: nice sheesh
eulerscheZahl: YEEEES
eulerscheZahl: than you therealbeef and highjump
eulerscheZahl: thank*
Nerchio: gz
therealbeef: lol
Astrobytes: pushed to legend finally euler?
eulerscheZahl: yes. but i also improved my bot. still got lucky in the end by waiting
eulerscheZahl: now i don't have to delete
Astrobytes: nice, grats :)
Scarfield: nice :muscle:
fathidevs: is it normal to get angry when stuck at a challenge?
eulerscheZahl: yes
Scarfield: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Michael_Howard: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
eulerscheZahl: or desperate, depends on your personality
fathidevs: or headache lol
BoBot: Codingame therapy
BoBot: :O
eulerscheZahl: sheesh doing well in legend too
Michael_Howard: Take a break then come back.
Michael_Howard: ┬─┬ノ(ಠ_ಠノ)
Astrobytes: yeah, he's smashing it
Astrobytes: nice
jacek: he clearly overfitted to boss
Sheeesh---: lol
eulerscheZahl: he was "only" 1 point above the boss. now 6th currently. shows how close scores are in this game
Sheeesh---: removed a scoring variable
Sheeesh---: and this changed my bot dramatically
Astrobytes: clearly! :)
jacek: scoring? so you dont care about released apps?
Sheeesh---: nop
StevenV: 0.01 below the boss :(
StevenV: :*
eulerscheZahl: just wait there and don't touch anything
eulerscheZahl: the yellow button in particular
kovi: Sheeesh--- #3 unbelievable
StevenV: thank, I hope can go to gold
Scarfield: dayum
Scarfield: 2 python bots in top 6 at this point, impressive :muscle:
eulerscheZahl: #3 with val growth resubmitting. but still a very strong performance
Astrobytes: StevenV: awesome!
eulerscheZahl: did he get pushed?
StevenV: no
Astrobytes: no but he will I think
Scarfield: when you are that close, you should get pushed at some point :)
StevenV: pushed down actually :D
Astrobytes: still close enough
BoBot: how important is DAILY_ROUTINE, if at all (except in real life.. :P )
BoBot: ?
BoBot: last skill I am doing anything with, I sometimes lose too much from avoiding giving cards to the opponent, maybe that would fix it..
jacek: i wish i knew the rules
KNTK: Can I have light mode somehow?
eulerscheZahl: in the IDE: left => settings
BoBot: I found out yesterday that all shoddy skills are wildcards, not just BONUS cards.....
Michael_Howard: BoBot I haven't been able to make it be useful, not because my TP code doesn't work, but because it's never in situations where playing it would be useful, i.e. to be able to swap to get a release. I need to watch more games & figure out what I need to do to create opportunities for it.
kovi: jacek lol
actually i just saw your nn automating 3rd instance of a (nonbonus) skill
KNTK: Thanks! eulerscheZahl
jacek: is that bad?
BoBot: @Michael_Howard yea, also I feel like having the card in your deck (instead of DEBT) might be more useful than playing it...but maybe I am looking at it the wrong way
eulerscheZahl: val growth also does intersting things. like doing a full turn to dump 2 skill cards and pick up one he just dumped. probably because he already knows that he has won
kovi: well...if you have nothing else to do...it doesnt hurt (i havent checked where you did it)
Michael_Howard: BoBot playing it would be great if the release swap was available when the card is in hand.
jacek: :upside_down:
BoBot: @Michael_Howard I did not realize DAILY_ROUTINEs stack...
also realized now that it is not just avoiding the opponent, you can also stack grab more than one copy of a skill in a single "tour"
BoBot: decided to implement it
StevenV: 25s and I am in gold
StevenV: I success :D
BoBot: gratz...also, you pushed me down a lot an hour ago, I was like 1:8 against you
Astrobytes: congrats StevenV!
BoBot: maybe it will help me
StevenV: :D
Crosility: Morning!
Miki09: morning
Miki09: why did I jumped 30 places in couple hours?
eulerscheZahl: magic
eulerscheZahl: also works in the opposite direction
Miki09: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Htaj3o3JD8I
Miki09: Magic O.O
Nerchio: pls stop feeding the boss in gold people
eulerscheZahl: now that i passed, it's ok
eulerscheZahl: smallest legend league so far was code of ice and fire i think
eulerscheZahl: 44 in legend. i think we can top that at least
BrunoFelthes: any tips to beat the gold boss?
j4at: players in legends feeding the boss using their alts to stop the others from reaching legend :o
eulerscheZahl: the boss is the only thing that prevents Nerchio from beating me again
BrunoFelthes: eulerscheZahl, to beat the boss, i need to planning more than one turn?
BrunoFelthes: are you planning?
eulerscheZahl: no
BrunoFelthes: you are scoring just one turn from move to release?
eulerscheZahl: yes
Nerchio: euler in the end i was suffering in games vs you :P
Nerchio: my bot is garbage I just want legend and i will leave it as legend garbage
Miki09: "my bot is garbage"
Miki09: "one of top 50 tops in the world"
Miki09: *bots
Nerchio: well sometimes its not just about rank :D
Kellthazar: j4at, something like that: if my.Score == 4 && game.Phase == "RELEASE" { return "WAIT" }
eulerscheZahl: we just have different understandings of garbage
eulerscheZahl: for some of us everything below top10 is garbage
eulerscheZahl: and i'm still on that 1 turn search which is very limited. i'm not proud of it
j4at: O(1) you should be proud :p
eulerscheZahl: meanwhile bowow is going for the top with some aggressive continuous integration strategy
Crosility: Lol eulerscheZahl. "Everything below top 10 is garbage". Ouch. Well, place me and my code next to the dumpster. :P
eulerscheZahl: don't worry, i fall into the same category
eulerscheZahl: and totally stuck. would need a full rewrite but don't even know what to make better
Crosility: MORE nested loops. MORE checks. More.. more..
Miki09: more bugs...
Crosility: ^
StevenV: how can I go into legend :(
StevenV: I have to rewrite my code completely to go higher, welll
struct: grast on legend euler
aCat: oh nice eulr gratulations :-)
struct: I had my alarm set for when euler got legend
eulerscheZahl: thank you. got right into mid legend when iwas pushed
eulerscheZahl: looks like my current modification might be bad
MSmits: congrats Euler
emh: gz
eulerscheZahl: thank you. one of the toughest contest legends for me so far
MSmits: yeah this was hard
MSmits: I feel lucky i got past at al
MSmits: I havent made any improvement since
eulerscheZahl: my promotion code got me in top10 temporarily. now i resubmitted and i'm at the bottom of the league
MSmits: oh
MSmits: above me
eulerscheZahl: i don't even know how to evaluate my changes anymore
MSmits: same
MSmits: unless they completely break my bot, then I know how to evaluate them :P
struct: can't break what is already broken
MSmits: thanks :P
emh: I've finished porting my Java bot to C++ and partially merged with the sim bot. now I'm looking at 132k and needing to trim it to 100k. still have double input mechanism so might be doable
Astrobytes: am watching an independence rally and chatting whilst half-heartedly attempting to fix my crap bot
MSmits: I just flew in a plane an hour ago
Astrobytes: where to/from?
MSmits: just a tour, small plane 4 passengers + pilot
MSmits: my daughter was in the copilot seat
Astrobytes: ahh that's awesome
MSmits: around my home town
Astrobytes: she like it?
MSmits: she sure did
Astrobytes: Great stuff man
MSmits: I had never been in a plane before myself
Astrobytes: Really? Did you enjoy it too?
MSmits: yeah it was cool
MSmits: we had to kind of watch out in the beginning so my daughter wouldnt make us crash
MSmits: she could move the steering thingy
MSmits: and we weren't sure if she would
Astrobytes: hahaha
eulerscheZahl: that would give a fun headline in the news
Astrobytes: Best to look out for these things indeed
Astrobytes: Time to get your pilots license MSmits :D
MSmits: lol eulerscheZahl. Personally I was thinking, if I crash now at least I'm not stuck in gold like euler
Astrobytes: :rofl:
eulerscheZahl: glad to be with you in your last thoughts :D
MSmits: :grin:
eulerscheZahl: nerchio might get pushed any moment now
Nerchio: not really
Nerchio: i am sitting here for the past 2 hours
MSmits: hope you make it
emh: there was a new terror attack in Oslo
MSmits: what happened?
Astrobytes: saw that earlier emh
emh: someone shooting
MSmits: oh
MSmits: bad :(
emh: a friend who used to go to the club notified me, because I was too busy programming to read the news
MSmits: you mean who used to go to the club where it happened or do you mean it's a friend you used to go to the club with?
emh: where it happened
MSmits: ah i see
emh: I've been there a few times too but it's not my favourite
Pap3r: i have arrived
emh: but now I live in Bergen since January
emh: I'm out of energy again damnit. need to minify bot
MSmits: more red bull?
emh: had 2 energy drinks yesterday, feeling the drain
emh: one today
MSmits: I have slept 4-6 hrs a night all week, almost non stop coding when not working. Not a single drop of caffeine. I think you get used to it which makes you need it
emh: yeahh maybe
MSmits: if i take caffeine I get lots of problems, it works too well i think
MSmits: heartrate gets irregular, hyperventilation, twitching etc.
emh: I'm not so sensitive anymore
emh: I got used to it
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: hyperventilation is scary if you dont know what happens
emh: I had it once when I took a blood sample at the doctor
emh: they gave me a brown paper bag
emh: and said to breathe into it
MSmits: dont think that works
emh: yeah me neither
MSmits: it's more a placebo thing
emh: exactly
MSmits: which kinda works
emh: hehe
MSmits: they could have given you a stuffed bear also
struct: thanks MSmits now that trick wont work for me anymore :/
emh: heheheh
MSmits: sorry :P
MSmits: there are easy solutions that work
MSmits: best one is just close your mouth
MSmits: breathe through nose
MSmits: you can also go for a walk if you have the opportunity
struct: Never happened to me
MSmits: that balances things out
MSmits: hasnt for a while with me either.
MSmits: people confuse it with a panic attack. It really isnt
MSmits: you just have too little CO2 in blood
MSmits: you dont need to be stressed or scared for it to happen
MSmits: just breathing wrong will do it
struct: I'll probably wont remember this if it happens to me
MSmits: maybe you will :)
MSmits: it's not dangerous anyway, just scary if you don't understand it
MSmits: just like vertigo, I had that 1 time. Soo scary. Never happened again after
MSmits: just randomly in the evening
Astrobytes: I had vertigo with racing heartbeat (like 200bpm+) for apparently no reason over a month or 2
MSmits: wow, for the whole time ??
Astrobytes: used to happen randomly, they reckoned it was a middle ear issue
MSmits: ah yeah
MSmits: the worst thing for me was lying down made it wose
MSmits: worse
struct: Dont think my heart rate can reach 200 anymore
struct: I must try it
Astrobytes: very weird feeling vertigo
Astrobytes: I don't advise it struct lol
MSmits: yeah, you try to focus on 1 point and the world keeps spinning away from you
struct: My peak was around 210 like 3 years ago
geppoz: question: if i have in hand 2 bonus and 1 coding, and i go thru ADM_DESK, the first THROW 8 is considered forced and so autoplayed? or the THROW phase is guaranteed to be 2 step even if one is forced?
struct: this when making sports, cycling
Astrobytes: that's fair enough. It's not fun as a resting rate
DaNinja: 2 steps in that case
geppoz: so in any case, right? it is or totally forced or totally choosen, right?
DaNinja: yes, either totally forced or total manually chosen
eulerscheZahl: "you just have too little CO2 in blood"
then the paper bag should help, shouldn't it?
eulerscheZahl: you breath in the same air again, that you already used to replace oxygen by carbon dioxide
DaNinja: its forced when all cards same or only 2 or less skill cards in hand
struct: once you do a first throw you must do a second
struct: you only dont get a choice if you have less than 3 cards or 1 card type only
struct: or no cards
struct: what ninja siad
struct: said*
geppoz: no, teoretically even when you have 2 types of cards, but one type only contains 1 card, should be "half-forced"
DaNinja: no, referee doesnt handle that
geppoz: e.g. if I have 5 cards, 4 of type A and 1 of type B, I had to THROW an A
geppoz: ok ty just to be sure
DaNinja: np
struct: you mean if you throw B right? but yeah referee doesnt handle it
geppoz: no i meant, the referee could consider an A already thrown, and let you the choice to throw a second A or a B, but ok, it is not handled
MSmits: eulerscheZahl i think the air refreshes too fast for it to make a difference
struct: ah ok
eulerscheZahl: then you should take a plastic bag instead?
MSmits: if you hate hyperventilating more than you like your life then yes. Either way problem solved :P
emh: you know what they say, it's all empty space, because between particles there is empty space. well I shaved 30k off my bot by replacing spaces with tabs lol
eulerscheZahl: just unindent everything in the web IDE
eulerscheZahl: ctrl+a, shift+tab
emh: hmm good idea
eulerscheZahl: this submit is able to climb again
eulerscheZahl: either i'm stuck at the very bottom or i got to mid league it seems
eulerscheZahl: nothing between
eulerscheZahl: i mentioned it. of course i'm going down now :D
miobyte: alas I am undone
baneetparmar: hello world
baneetparmar: is there a way we can make party and keeping on doing clash of code as a party?
struct: you have to keep inviting each other
struct: There is no way to make a party
baneetparmar: oh that's bad, thanks for info tho
IvesL: does skill card (shoddy skills) have higher priority than bonus card?
MSmits: struct partypooper
miobyte: can we allow here discuss programming only?
MSmits: IvesL it has no effect what has priority, unless you mean how your bot should make choices on what cards to get
struct: you will always get the lowest tech debt possible IvesL
struct: When releasing
MSmits: you discard all your cards aftet release
IvesL: i see
PatrickMcGinnisII: oh lord, finally found bug. in some situations I was playing cards when i could have done a releaase and ended the game
PatrickMcGinnisII: bot still sucks, but gonna see if i can do better than 34 silver
PatrickMcGinnisII: up to 28th, smh - stuck in silver...gtg...glhf
eulerscheZahl: those silver games are fun to watch, over 100 frames :o
Nerchio: you dont have better things to do in legend?
struct: :p
Nerchio: i just won 2 games and got 0.02 what a joke
MSmits: low ranked opponents
MSmits: rated
Nerchio: nah
Nerchio: this guy is top5 just maybe start of his submit idk
Nerchio: anyway
Nerchio: in this game
Nerchio: 0.02 for winning 2 games is a joek :D
Nerchio: joke
struct: One strange thing about this contest is seeing jacek so quiet
Nerchio: you can easily lose
Nerchio: too busy with NN
struct: no, he is using true AI
eulerscheZahl: 2 distinct games or 1 mirrored game?
eulerscheZahl: because these pairs only count as 1 game
Nerchio: OMG
eulerscheZahl: and tie + win is a win in total
eulerscheZahl: ?
eulerscheZahl: you did it?
Nerchio: what a winning streak my garbage beautiful baby
eulerscheZahl: 29.58 both
struct: grats
eulerscheZahl: i can't see it. are you above or below the boss?
ppint: i feel so stupid after playing this for like 10 minutes lol
struct: above
kovi: in legend now
kovi: gratz
eulerscheZahl: congrats, welcome to legend
Nerchio: thanks guys
Nerchio: it was difficult
eulerscheZahl: blame jacek and illedan
Nerchio: i do blame them :grinning:
Sheeesh---: congrats!
MSmits: oh nice, grats
struct: I cant lose my legend streak to this game
eulerscheZahl: streak of 1?
struct: no
struct: streak of 3 or 4
eulerscheZahl: just teasing
Nerchio: where are you euler I am here to steal your points now
eulerscheZahl: hiding well from you
eulerscheZahl: 2 ranks above, where you would never sispect
Nerchio: I will keep you company at the bottom :sunglasses:
eulerscheZahl: you promised to stop now and let your bot be a legend pushover
Nerchio: I have last tweak ready, maybe like 0.1% better I think but yeah thats it from me :D
Nerchio: can't play without probabilities, misses too many good plays
struct: One question about draw, discard, at the end of the turn if the draw pile is empty and discard has cards, do the played cards and hand go to discard and then the discard goes to the draw?
struct: or the discard goes to the draw and only after the played and hand go into discard?
DaNinja: discards got to draw
struct: But all cards go into discard before it right?
struct: I think I just saw a replay and it answers my question
DaNinja: ah yes, hand+played go to discard, then discard goes to draw
struct: thank you
BrunoFelthes: congrats Nerchio!!!
BrunoFelthes: DaNinja, but during the turn, the dircard goes to the draw too, no?
BrunoFelthes: if the draw is empty
struct: only if you use training or coding
struct: if you dont it will only go after release
DaNinja: right
BrunoFelthes: sure
BrunoFelthes: there is no other way to draw, there is?
struct: no
DaNinja: just those 3
DaNinja: draw 1, draw 2, draw 4+architects
Nerchio: thanks BrunoFelthes and good luck I hope you can get legend soon
DaNinja: after WAIT< when the referee says you can release application, does it mean you have enough points to release something?
eulerscheZahl: when you enter the RELEASE phase and the referee doesn't just skip you, you can always release
eulerscheZahl: note: you can even release something with 8 shoddy skills (except the last app)
DaNinja: ah ok, it auto skips
eulerscheZahl: which makes it a pain to watch the replay sometimes
eulerscheZahl: TRAINING
i don't show you what cards you drew. end of turn and i'll load your new hand right away
WhatTrickeryIsThis: gj nerchy
WhatTrickeryIsThis: doggy style
eulerscheZahl: that reminds me: where's NinjaDoggy?
DaNinja: there can only be one ninja
WhatTrickeryIsThis: are you the real deal?
WhatTrickeryIsThis: the unique?
DaNinja: da
j4at: No, you can't see the real ninga they are in disguise
j4at: ninja*
WhatTrickeryIsThis: i hope you have the nija CI card strat for yourself
therealbeef: therealninja
Sunny_96: HMMMMMMMMMMm
IvesL: can we know if the desk still provide skill card without getting a bonus from it?
MSmits: yeah, just calculate how many cards are left in it
MSmits: 5 - everything else
Sheeesh---: "You reached the limit of plays for a period of time."
eulerscheZahl: F
Sheeesh---: how can i test my code then :/
eulerscheZahl: offline
darkhorse64: including permanent_cards and automated cards
IvesL: alright
Sheeesh---: how ?
eulerscheZahl: clone and execute the github repo
eulerscheZahl: or create an alt account and get banned ;)
Sheeesh---: getting banned souns good
Sheeesh---: sounds*
geppoz: "permanent cards" question: when you play them, they go in discarded right? they are not like "automated" that remains in a separate group
MSmits: they are separate
MSmits: it's kind of a weird card location
geppoz: they dont go in played then discarded?
struct: Think of it like a passive skill
darkhorse64: permanent_cards are discarded when you do a release
MSmits: no geppoz
struct: They get removed
struct: and are permanently in your automated
MSmits: thats confusing struct
geppoz: i mean DAILY_ROUTING
geppoz: when you play it, not automate it
darkhorse64: it goes to permanent
geppoz: it increments your distance pick, then go in discard
MSmits: when you play daily or arch, they go into a "permanent card slot", this is its own card location
struct: yes
struct: it goes in played 1st
geppoz: well
struct: then it will go into discard
MSmits: no it doesnt struct
MSmits: it never goes into played
Nerchio: but if you make an app they go back to discard right?
darkhorse64: when release
MSmits: when release it just goes to discard
struct: when you play a card it doesnt go into played?
struct: ah
MSmits: when you play daily or arch it doesnt struct
struct: too much confusion going on for me
struct: daily doesnt go into played?
MSmits: no
struct: thats a bit confusing
MSmits: arch neither
MSmits: it is
darkhorse64: we will fully understand the statement after the contest
geppoz: :D
geppoz: so my count is wrong
MSmits: think of it like this struct: You get arch and daily separately in input. Consider it its own card location
MSmits: even though it is not called a card location
geppoz: i put them in played, then in discarded at end of turn (not end of release)
darkhorse64: meanwhile, I just discovered that I went to gold with a huge bug that let me release less often
struct: Now im even more confused
geppoz: struct :D
struct: So I play Daily routine
struct: what happens?
struct: Card goes into discard and my grab distance increases?
darkhorse64: goes to permanent
MSmits: it goes into the daily card location
MSmits: i hesitate to call this permanent
MSmits: but yes
darkhorse64: ^
struct: but card goes into discard instead of played?
MSmits: no
MSmits: only after release
struct: ah
MSmits: it doesnt go into played ever
MSmits: and only to discard after release
struct: So I need another location
struct: oh my
geppoz: me too
struct: Why not just keep it on played...
MSmits: not necessarily, if you just keep track of active dailies and arch, you already have this as a location
struct: Would be easier
geppoz: tbh it just impacts the "available(ix)" function
geppoz: yeah MSmits
MSmits: no its not struct, because if you kept it on played, it would always go to discard at end of turn
MSmits: and it doesnt do that
MSmits: only if you release
struct: ah
struct: Now it makes sense
struct: the card is removed until release
struct: Now I understand it
struct: thanks
MSmits: np
MSmits: i went through your exact confusion.
eulerscheZahl: i had to learn it this morning only
geppoz: anyway I need to add opp_daily and opp_archi to the state...
eulerscheZahl: my sim still doesn't account for it. meh, rare case
eulerscheZahl: no one likes those cards, 1 is enough
DaNinja: my.hand[2]--; my.routines++;
DaNinja: ezpz
kovi: stacking arch is interesting in the final random struggle
eulerscheZahl: there is no struggle in legend, they control the random. at least it feels like it, they just win
kovi: i know. mcts is strong
struct: Nice my bot doesnt like this fix
struct: :)
MSmits: ye, fixing bugs can make fall off a local maximum
MSmits: probably your eval counts your arch or daily cards double now
MSmits: making them too important
MSmits: some bug of that type
struct: It wont just play them
struct: because it think its better to keep them in hand I guess
MSmits: yes thats problematic
struct: Anyways I need to start the mcts to know the poll results
eulerscheZahl: i voted for significant waste of time
MSmits: same
struct: What is significant?
MSmits: or was there a worse one?
struct: How much time are we talking about?
struct: Completely waste of time
eulerscheZahl: there was worse
MSmits: oh i picked worse :P
struct: which is the one I voted
eulerscheZahl: i just liked "significant" :D
MSmits: good reason
therealbeef: thanks for the push kovi ;-)
kovi: highjump is still working on it
kovi: but yeah its better for me if you go to legend
eulerscheZahl: 0.3, you can make it
eulerscheZahl: an exercise about patience
therealbeef: stop hitting the yellow button yeah
Wontonimo: Anyone know or have a feel for the algo bowwow, valgroth, and square101 are using (bad spel in purpos)
eulerscheZahl: from past contests i'd say Val is using some MCTS / DUCT approach
The_Duck: what is DUCT?
eulerscheZahl: you with a typo
The_Duck: haha
eulerscheZahl: decoupled UCT
MSmits: :grin:
therealbeef: ducktape
MSmits: duct doesnt really make sense here I think, isnt this mostly for instantaneous moves?
MSmits: simultaneous sry
eulerscheZahl: right
eulerscheZahl: then MCTS :D
eulerscheZahl: bowwow added a lot of ifs according to his twitter
Wontonimo: if it looks like a duct, shaped like a duct, and blows like a duct, it's probably a duct
MSmits: i've been studying his ifs
eulerscheZahl: square is a new player to me, no idea
MSmits: but if i put them in my bot it is worse :P
eulerscheZahl: very centered around automating boni
Wontonimo: probably because they don't play nice with your current ifs ;)
eulerscheZahl: bonuses. i'm learning astro
MSmits: i had no ifs
MSmits: just sim/search/eval
MSmits: instead of trying to make it act like bowwow through eval, i tried to make it copy him, but no luck, well the copying works, but its worse
kovi: considering winrates i resubmit to push therealbeef and highjump
Wontonimo: any book MSmits? it's your signature thing
eulerscheZahl: noo kovi
MSmits: not really. I guess you could book the initial 5 turns or so
eulerscheZahl: let them suffer like the rest of us had
MSmits: but that can be done with some ifs
eulerscheZahl: :imp:
kovi: that way i have chance to overfit and go legend as well
therealbeef: i remember i pushed you euler
eulerscheZahl: you and high jump
Astrobytes: lol euler (re boni)
eulerscheZahl: ok do it kovi
Wontonimo: team effort
eulerscheZahl: do you also say maluses?
Astrobytes: yes
eulerscheZahl: i've heard bonuses a few times. when it comes to extra payments
eulerscheZahl: was partially messing with you
Astrobytes: malus is generally reserved for legal documents etc
Astrobytes: financial term etc
therealbeef: If kovi's pushes are not enough, I hope my NN pipeline can come up with some sweet weights tonight
Wontonimo: so very close therealbeef ... just a fraction away
Wontonimo: what's your NN shape? Layers / nodes therealbeef ? (if you don't mind sharing)
Wontonimo: or, if that's too 'classified', do you mind sharing what method of NN training you are using? packprop, evolution, something else?
therealbeef: experimenting a lot with that actually; more inputs/more layers/wider layers. it's quite frustrating because most things don't work
Wontonimo: good initialization using can really speed up training. Glorot and He is pretty good and not too difficult to hand-code if you have a hand-coded initialization.
The_Duck: therealbeef are you doing RL or supervised learning?
MSmits: don't think this version is very good Sheeesh---, but thanks for the pushes
Wontonimo: *using Glorot can
Sheeesh---: don't worry
Sheeesh---: i'm just testing in arena
eulerscheZahl: he's hiding
Sheeesh---: instead of ide xD
MSmits: ok, I will be your dummy
Sheeesh---: you will return it back
eulerscheZahl: careful, there's a submit limit too
eulerscheZahl: don't trigger it right before the contest ends
Wontonimo: :scream:
Sheeesh---: oh
Sheeesh---: that's bad
eulerscheZahl: there are different limits. the longest is 24h i think. at least it is for IDE plays
therealbeef: i'm using random init, then one round of learning from self-play of my best bot sofar, and then repeat self-play learning based on states that led to wins, until plateau'ing. but i'm no expert on this. this is the first contest where it works kind of reasonably for me
kovi: one more
kovi: either win vs boss, or loose vs you
eulerscheZahl: do you tweak to win against the boss or to lose against therealbeef?
eulerscheZahl: that winrate against beef :D
kovi: i dont want to waste time fixing it if i can push him
IvesL: do you guys think if it is advantageous to go first or not?
Wontonimo: i heard that first is best, but i'm not even in the contest
BrunoFelthes: of course is
eulerscheZahl: i'm not even sure what's better
eulerscheZahl: would have do download some replays and compile statistics
Miki09: If I run the same code vs same code, the first player allways wins
eulerscheZahl: might even differ for different bots
IvesL: i do think so as well, player 1 sort of control how player 2 moves and takes
IvesL: imo
kovi: player2 has the ability to adjust on favorable td balance...and turn a draw to win
kovi: (on 4th app)
Nerchio: I thought p1 is too good but i didn't see that advantage in my bot
Nerchio: maybe it's luck of the draw maybe something else idk
Razovsky: hi Westicles
Razovsky: i don't understand your idea
Razovsky: to move chat into a contribution chat
Razovsky: u hope that players will move to the contribution to discuss ?
Illedan: Hi
the-mysterious: hi
struct: hi
Scarfield: oi
Nerchio: hola
eulerscheZahl: ille writes "hi" and submits
eulerscheZahl: i'm not surprised
Illedan: I always submit
Illedan: Hi is because I'm back home to my computer
Nerchio: how many submits you got
Nerchio: i have 157
Illedan: Rookie numbers
kovi: almost double
eulerscheZahl: 81
print[Hello_World]: 1638 / 1687 :disappointed_relieved:
Nerchio: and I thought I was submitting a lot :thinking:
Illedan: 323 :D
eulerscheZahl: and i thought i'm the submit spammer
Nerchio: but well I was gone for 2 days maybe thats why
eulerscheZahl: i'm not. i'll celebrate with 3 more submits
eulerscheZahl: usually i end up somewhere around 100-120 submits in a contest
Illedan: If they inc IDE plays, I'll submit less :P
eulerscheZahl: no you wouldn't
Nerchio: yeah submitting seems like a good way to test your bot
Nerchio: or renting a VM
Nerchio: :joy:
Illedan: Offline testing failed
Illedan: So online testing it is
Yakeromo: Is it okay changing default code in games, or i need to understand how to adapt my code to make it compitable
BrunoFelthes: i already sent 300 submits
eulerscheZahl: you can delete everything and start fro scratch Yakeromo
eulerscheZahl: just make sure you follow the exact input/output protocol
struct: thats a lot of submits
struct: lol
BrunoFelthes: my dream is just pay to submit faster
eulerscheZahl: struct at 7 i'd say
Yakeromo: Big thanks
BrunoFelthes: someone need to create a parallel server
struct: nah on this contst i submited a lot
struct: im at 37
struct: 36*
BrunoFelthes: eulerscheZahl, create an online paid brutaltester, please...
eulerscheZahl: not in my powers
BrunoFelthes: why not... did you not created the brutaltester for this contest?
eulerscheZahl: online there is a play limit
BrunoFelthes: i will do it one day
eulerscheZahl: google "cg benchmark" if you don't know it already
eulerscheZahl: it's from Neuman n
BrunoFelthes: once i can understand this thing about brutal tester
Nerchio: "submitted a lot" 36 :joy:
kovi: bruno meant an alternative testing arena maybe
eulerscheZahl: 81 submits - i got my IQ right there
struct: cg bench its not a good idea with the new limit
Nerchio: yeah cg bench is not so good anymore :(
eulerscheZahl: our own website where we can upload bots in parallel to CG?
struct: I think thats what he meant
BrunoFelthes: yes...
eulerscheZahl: ah, hm
eulerscheZahl: that could work
eulerscheZahl: but do you trust me not to reverse your codes?
eulerscheZahl: and who pays?
Nerchio: he already said he pays :D
eulerscheZahl: right
struct: pay per game
BrunoFelthes: and could benchmark faster with other players... would you use paing it?
eulerscheZahl: my hourly rate is at $100 for development
struct: Can you do it in 30 minutes?
eulerscheZahl: ezpz
struct: its a good idea in theory
emh: I finished combining my heuristic with my sim but my search is totally broken
kovi: isnt it possible to do cgbench 1vs1?
both client running locally and only the referee is remote?
BrunoFelthes: same here emh
Nerchio: euler while you're at it please create a side-chat ;)
emh: BrunoFelthes my sympathies
eulerscheZahl: hm, that's what the original vindinium did, kovi
eulerscheZahl: actually i like the idea
kovi: this way we dont need to trust you ;)
eulerscheZahl: no execution of untrusted code on the server. significantly less load
kovi: and half of the cost ...yeah
eulerscheZahl: you might even be able to pull it off with free hosting like my puzzle search
kovi: yeah, but the main point is to have a community crosstesting
eulerscheZahl: all you need is a local client to communicate with the server and forward it to the local bot instance(s)
and a way to run the java referee on the server
eulerscheZahl: not trivial but actually sounds doable
eulerscheZahl: too bad that i have retired from CG :(
Astrobytes: retired my ass :P
BrunoFelthes: once that i have more than 1 app to release, that will give the same TD, with one should i delivere?
eulerscheZahl: 1 turn search, you can't call that competing astro
Astrobytes: it's a tough game man
eulerscheZahl: and full heuristics in the spider contest. that was just having a quick look at the game
eulerscheZahl: oh, highjump jumped into legend
Astrobytes: not giving 100% != retirement
struct: Im about to retire yeah
Nerchio: "1 turn search, you can't call that competing" :sob:
struct: from coding
Astrobytes: lol
eulerscheZahl: i somehow lack motivation to go the extra mile that would be necessary
Astrobytes: that word again :D
eulerscheZahl: take some risk and try a search that might not work but has chances of not getting me stuck with suboptimal magic numbers
eulerscheZahl: which i'm tweaking for 2 days
Astrobytes: you still have time...
eulerscheZahl: meh
Astrobytes: Also, Legend achieved so...
eulerscheZahl: i don't have to delete
Astrobytes: :tada:
eulerscheZahl: saved until next contest
Nerchio: yet
Astrobytes: :D
eulerscheZahl: i just home that CG has the topcoder calendar in mind when scheduling their next contest
eulerscheZahl: hope*
Astrobytes: I'll watch the livestream regardless. Solidarity! :muscle:
eulerscheZahl: will be as exciting as watching wet color dry
Astrobytes: Yes but it's the moral support factor
eulerscheZahl: i'm more worried of missing a CG contest
eulerscheZahl: except if it's an escape, then i'm fine with missing it
Astrobytes: I can do other things and look at that now and then
Astrobytes: I suspect they learned a lesson using Escapes as contests
Astrobytes: I could be wrong...
eulerscheZahl: the core community was not amused. but they also got some positive feedback
Astrobytes: well there's nothing inherently wrong with escapes, just replacing the usual contest with them was... a very odd move
struct: my improved bot cant win a single game
Astrobytes: and that's an improvement?
eulerscheZahl: it runs 10% more simulations
Astrobytes: :D
Nerchio: you need to build applications struct
struct: I tried to brute force depth 2 instead of 1
eulerscheZahl: probably a bug in my code. i also tried depth 2 and it was beyond stupid
kovi: you cant bruteforce the big draw
eulerscheZahl: you can try a deterministic random so your bot at least always assumes the same following cards
Nerchio: i don't even include draw in my bot so i'd have to play depth 2 without cards :wink:
eulerscheZahl: and doesn't try to "hack RNG"
kovi: did karang succeeded?
Astrobytes: don't think so
eulerscheZahl: probably not
Astrobytes: at least hasn't said anything
eulerscheZahl: saw in the chat logs that he asked for me specifically while i was asleep
eulerscheZahl: then didn't leave a message
Astrobytes: when?
eulerscheZahl: beginning of contest
Astrobytes: oh ok, thought it was recent
eulerscheZahl: and someone replied with "he's looong asleep" or something like that
Nerchio: people know your sleeping patterns?
eulerscheZahl: you don't?
Astrobytes: Everyone knows Old Man Eulers sleeping patterns
Nerchio: not yet
eulerscheZahl: in summer i need less sleep. so i stay up until around 9:30pm
eulerscheZahl: in winter i go to bed earlier
Astrobytes: There's a Summer, Winter and GotTimeOff pattern
eulerscheZahl: and toads hibernate
eulerscheZahl: GotTimeOff = active during office hours under the week
Astrobytes: under? During?
eulerscheZahl: while hitting enter i thought the same
Astrobytes: Should be during.
eulerscheZahl: but writing "during" twice is bad style ;)
Astrobytes: hehehe
struct: 85% win rate
struct: if this isnt better
struct: i dont know
IvesL: for the cards that wont go back to board or non-permanent, where are they after being played?
eulerscheZahl: but is is submit worthy?
struct: I submit usually when its above 60
eulerscheZahl: these cards are in card heaven
eulerscheZahl: looking down at you from a cloud
IvesL: sorry, dumb question just found PLAYED_CARDS
eulerscheZahl: technical debt would go to hell. so it's lucky it can't get automated
Astrobytes: euler: out of curiosity, would you say wahrend (wth an umlaut) or im laufe in that context?
Illedan: Ahhh, nothing works -.-
eulerscheZahl: both works
eulerscheZahl: or just "unter der Woche"
eulerscheZahl: now you know where i got the "under" from
Scarfield: unter den Linden
eulerscheZahl: rookie mistake, translating work me word
_Royale: CG should use this for seed generation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavarand :grinning:
Astrobytes: similar in English, you could say through the week, over the week, over the course of the week etc etc
Astrobytes: _Royale: that's awesome
_Royale: yeah never heard of it before I though it was awesome too :-)
eulerscheZahl: i would prefer https://xkcd.com/221/
Scarfield: xD
_Royale: :joy:
Astrobytes: I think you can find 'production' code like that on dailywtf :D
eulerscheZahl: that reminds me of a story actually. but i doubt that i can find it again
Sheeesh---: val and bow are on a different league
Scarfield: ko-vi on the way i see :muscle:
Illedan: Legend is no fun. There is nothing more to see
eulerscheZahl: i randomly drifted in the upper half again
eulerscheZahl: either bots are too close in strength (except from the top few) or the randomness is too strong to filter out the differences
kovi: please...
Scarfield: :pray:
Nerchio: looking good kovi
Scarfield: whats the boss score?
Nerchio: hope its not a curse
kovi: 0.14
eulerscheZahl: boss at 29.7
eulerscheZahl: cgstats knows
http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/green-circle/kovi
kovi: lost vs. boss around 96%
eulerscheZahl: painful
eulerscheZahl: but you'll get there. you can probably just sit it out
kovi: yeah, that is the plan
kovi: 0.01
Astrobytes: oof
kovi: 0.00
Scarfield: :tada:
kovi: nope im below
jacek: stupid boss eh
Scarfield: :upside_down_tada:
Astrobytes: back in yer box boss jacek :P
Scarfield: jacek in the box xD never realised
jacek: :(
struct: grats
struct: wait what
struct: you were above him for a second
struct: I saw it
struct: o.o
Scarfield: now you are just trolling :p
struct: maybe he had pending battles
struct: it was
struct: lol
Illedan: We should close Legend at 30 people. Enough now
Astrobytes: aw shush :D
Scarfield: why not just 1, one bot to rule them all
Illedan: That was the first boss
Illedan: Noone liked that
Astrobytes: InfiniWalaBoss
Illedan: Do I need to download a game to view the Game summary? Or is there a way in the browser?
Illedan: Without dev tools
jacek: i said youll miss wala boss
Astrobytes: Print screen and crop -> text -> yeah, no :D
Illedan: They wanted Yurkov first :P
Astrobytes: lol
eulerscheZahl: Illedan https://bowwowforeach.hatenablog.com/entry/2022/05/03/165011
eulerscheZahl: "Log acquisition button"
eulerscheZahl: i like the idea
kovi: either me or realbeef
eulerscheZahl: or the boss
IvesL: interesting, so in silver the boss disqualify himself
Astrobytes: therealkovijacekbeef
kovi: i have bad stat vs. the-realbeef. i may resubmit after he catapults
eulerscheZahl: the silver boss has some timesouts
Scarfield: the real Kobe beef
eulerscheZahl: it's the code from a player like you and me. not a big deal
eulerscheZahl: there al beef
Scarfield: lol
Astrobytes: I was thinking this too Scarfield
Astrobytes: I cannot believe you read it like that euler
eulerscheZahl: i did
Astrobytes: Actually, I think I can
j4at: Obvious strategies that no one using in green circle are peeking at the opponent's hand and hiding cards. Thank me later :)
Scarfield: "they are all beef"
kovi: he is also 0.0 now below
kovi: and gone, im close
Nerchio: seems to be above on cg stats
Illedan: eulerscheZahl
"Log acquisition button"?
eulerscheZahl: congrats
kovi: me2, yay
eulerscheZahl: beef and kovi both promoted
kovi: thx
Nerchio: gratz kovi
Scarfield: :muscle:
eulerscheZahl: you have to translate the page first ille
eulerscheZahl: 31 in legend. getting a bit crowded
Astrobytes: kovi-beef power! gratz both
struct: grats
eulerscheZahl: who made the push in the end? philipp?
Illedan: 31 I Legend?!
kovi: dont know multiple submits in top
Illedan: Ah, thx eulerscheZahl. Looks like a nice solution
Illedan: But that was in the IDE
Illedan: Might work in last battles too
eulerscheZahl: i know. you probably have to adapt it
jacek: :upside_down:
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
eulerscheZahl: what happened?
eulerscheZahl: 85% wins not enough?
struct: no
struct: it was worse
struct: I give up
struct: Time to delete
eulerscheZahl: wait
eulerscheZahl: don't
eulerscheZahl: think about yavalath
struct: ...
eulerscheZahl: do you want othello to end like it too?
darkhorse64: ataxx, backgammon
struct: my mental cant keep up with it ill probably just give up the contest..
jacek: :innocent:
Michael_Howard: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Michael_Howard: Whatever I add I can't get above 40s in gold.
darkhorse64: ^
eulerscheZahl: let's watch some of your replays
Michael_Howard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/646718555
Michael_Howard: Thanks :)
Michael_Howard: Roast my bot - I can take it!
Nerchio: 1. don't play against yourself :D
eulerscheZahl: good point, i want to see you vs someone else
eulerscheZahl: i disagree on the opening
eulerscheZahl: p1 goes to 2, then p2 to 5, p1 to 3, picking 4
eulerscheZahl: didn't you get the memo?
Michael_Howard: seed=-1069764030096123010
Michael_Howard: Oops
Michael_Howard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/646720761
Nerchio: yeah
darkhorse64: which memo ?
eulerscheZahl: almsot as negative as my bank account
Nerchio: turn 1 move 2 or 5 depending which player you are
eulerscheZahl: the memo how to open the game
eulerscheZahl: the choreography
darkhorse64: does it goes beyond what you said ?
eulerscheZahl: do your own research ;)
eulerscheZahl: that's what every conspiracy theorist tells you
Michael_Howard: I'm not hard-coding openings, but if I should be doing that I my hueristics should do it, I'll look at my priorities.
Nerchio: that's a pretty idealistic view
eulerscheZahl: opening and mid game heuristics are different IMO. i hardcoded
Nerchio: and maybe a little naive
darkhorse64: just asking if there is something available. Otherwise, I look at legend replays for info
Michael_Howard: Apart from that am I doing anything obviously demented?
eulerscheZahl: daily routine at 19 is a strange choice. you only want that card before you finish the first app
eulerscheZahl: coding or training is to be preferred
eulerscheZahl: you even take a 2nd daily in 21
eulerscheZahl: i see why you do it. but the card is still weak
eulerscheZahl: then you release in 27. maybe better to take some debt but automate.
eulerscheZahl: but hard to tell. i'm not sure what i would or should do
eulerscheZahl: what you do isn't really bad. and that makes it hard to tell you where to improve
eulerscheZahl: or at least not obviously bad for a human
Michael_Howard: Thanks, I'll have a look at that :)
Michael_Howard: I get murdered in this one https://www.codingame.com/replay/646725935
eulerscheZahl: you miss 2 opportunities to automate bonuses
eulerscheZahl: and it is acceptable to get some debt while releasing
eulerscheZahl: i'm off, good night
Illedan: gn!
Astrobytes: gn euler
Illedan: Tomorrow is the big day
Illedan: I have no idea how to improve this :(
eulerscheZahl: your relatives come to visit?
Illedan: More IFs didn't work
Illedan: They are back at their hotel now
Illedan: Was with them at the beach earlier
eulerscheZahl: oh, big contest day?
Illedan: Yeah
Astrobytes: For like 5 minutes right?
Illedan: 5 min what?
eulerscheZahl: beach
Astrobytes: at the beach
Illedan: few hours
Astrobytes: In the shade, coding on your phone
eulerscheZahl: he was on discord during that
US3RN4M3: did anyone do the codeforces global round just rn?
Astrobytes: hehehe
Illedan: Phone CG experience is bad
eulerscheZahl: i got the email that it happened but didn't play codeforces
Illedan: I can't type text
Illedan: Only numbers
Illedan: The editor is so bugged when putting the cursor at some text
Astrobytes: I hate using phones when doing anything other than calling people if I'm honest
eulerscheZahl: navigation?
Astrobytes: what's wrong with a map?
Astrobytes: Google doesn't even show where I live. People get lost all the time.
Astrobytes: *the street where I live
US3RN4M3: is the meta just simulation?
eulerscheZahl: that reminds me to check apple maps. the street view equivalent
eulerscheZahl: i was transporting a pizza on my bicycle when their camera car was in front of me
eulerscheZahl: want to see if they took those pictures
eulerscheZahl: but i don't understand their website
Astrobytes: the one for your brother in law for repairing the puncture?
eulerscheZahl: another one
Astrobytes: Ah
Astrobytes: Delivering pizzas a lot then ? :D
Astrobytes: I got snapped fully on google street view a few years back in front of my old workplace
eulerscheZahl: https://www.apple.com/maps/
how can i see my city there?
eulerscheZahl: do i need an apple device?
Astrobytes: I won't even give apple the hits on their site
jzen: eulerscheZahl You do
eulerscheZahl: oh, then i'll never find myself
struct: win the phone
eulerscheZahl: Nuremberg Rollnerstr Kilianstr if you want to look it up. guy with helmet and family size pizza box in the arm
Astrobytes: price tags look apple0ush
Astrobytes: *apple-ish
Astrobytes: lol, everyone's being free with their photographic identity recently
eulerscheZahl: i'm sure they will pixel it
eulerscheZahl: but i saw you in the chat logs ;)
Astrobytes: :D
eulerscheZahl: you could play Hagrid for sure
Astrobytes: the harry potter guy.... with the big beard? I'd have to grow mine a bit again, cut it recently
eulerscheZahl: yes, from harry potter
Astrobytes: I'd rather be a Gandalf, never liked the HP franchise
Westicles: You can be Tom Bombadil
Astrobytes: Close enough I guess :D
geppoz: this has already been posted i suppose: https://imgur.com/a/fogp7Pj
Astrobytes: Am far more pale than that, Scottish colour is bluish-white, imagine Scottish nerds :D
smhb: :joy:
geppoz: south italy here :(
geppoz: so it hurts :D
Astrobytes: hehehehe
Astrobytes: understandable
Astrobytes: I like the sun though, I must admit.
Astrobytes: Just got other things to do these days than sit in it!
geppoz: me too, mainly "taxiing" my daugheter around for parties
geppoz: that will be my main excuse to not enter legend ;)
iggy12345: my excuse will be that I just started yesterday
struct: My excuse is that im just bad
iggy12345: bs
iggy12345: oh I guess I beat wood 1 league now
Nerchio: my excuse will be that I can't enter legend twice, I am already here
Astrobytes: shut up Nerchio :D
Zylo: ok, I'm pushing guys do LEGEND, first:
zaurus-yusya
Zylo: second: Zach-Leee
Westicles: look at all the japanese
Zylo: finally ... I had to take a piece of paper and count the probabilities :-D
mikmak: congrats
emh: any compressed way of storing the draw stack? I was doing draws wrong. base 9 encoding? Lehmer code? or do you just need to store the rng seed?
Zylo: normal table: but only one table in memory changing before state and after state
emh: hmm.. what if I have many states floating around in a BFS queue (not actively using it currently, but have written the code)?
Astrobytes: beam?
emh: not sure what to call it
Zylo: only one round
emh: BFS with a priority queue
emh: and I keep changing what the priorities are
Zylo: no needed: just DFS and in loops
Astrobytes: isn't that basically dijkstra emh?
emh: yeah could be, but I might differ from it
Astrobytes: Zylo's DFS is the most common way I think currently
emh: I also expand using DFS within the BFS to give my priorities
Zylo: I'm searching whole area of states apart of training and coding from draw, but I already count probabilities of getting app (and I'll fully count this: now I have simple version)
emh: nice Zylo
Astrobytes: sounds like what Smits was doing
emh: but I first need to just get basic rollouts working
emh: the fancy stuff won't work without a solid core
geppoz: you mean you will not "coding" if you cant get an app^
geppoz: ?
Zylo: yes, but when I can't get app then I consider taking coding and taking a random card from draw
imposter_sus_baka: what is best lang
geppoz: i tried first time python to prove a point, and i proved it: I hate it
Zylo: that what you know ;-)
Astrobytes: Swahili
Astrobytes: lol geppoz
geppoz: there is a special hell for a person that gives semantic to identation
Aldoggen: there is a special kind of hell for people that don't use indentation well
geppoz: that's exactly the point, I use identation to beutify, to give enphasis, etc, everithing, but semantic , that is dumb in my opinion
MSmits: it's good for teaching geppoz
MSmits: force students to write readable code
MSmits: other than that I can see your point
struct: any progress MSmits?
MSmits: not on this bot
MSmits: I am rushedly writing a new one based on psy ho's idea
Zylo: begin and end keywords instead of brackets is dumb ;-)
MSmits: see if i can make it work
struct: what was the idea?
struct: The monte carlo?
MSmits: monte carlo to end of game
MSmits: yes
MSmits: it's a lot of work to write the sim and i will have very little time to actually work on testing and heuristics
MSmits: the sim from my other bot is not really portable
MSmits: so, it's a desperate move, mostly designed so i can look back and say i tried everything :)
darkhorse64: use top 10 heuristic bots for MC [solved]
Astrobytes: lol
struct: darkhorse64 are you bruteforcing 1 turn?
darkhorse64: full ifs
Astrobytes: my ifs are broke
struct: I dont really use ifs
struct: at least for the ai
struct: I think ignoring the opponent is hurting me
Astrobytes: best_move = (AI_Correct()) ? ai_move : fk_it_move;
struct: grats DomiKo
Astrobytes: DomiKo you bar steward
DomiKo: :D
DomiKo: thanks boys
Astrobytes: :D
DomiKo: with almost no heuristics I got it :D
Astrobytes: now give me your secrets
DomiKo: I have no clue how to play this game
Astrobytes: eh, search only eh
Astrobytes: I *thought* I knew how to but I clearly have no idea :D
DomiKo: But I have to say this game is much more fun than I thought
DomiKo: But writing the sim was painful
DomiKo: from silver to legend I added like 2 heuristics ifs and only optimized sim
struct: why is performance needed?
DomiKo: idk
DomiKo: without pragmas my agent was stuck in top40 silver
DomiKo: with them went to top40, but gold
struct: Ill try to figure what to do tomorrow
Astrobytes: I can get top 10 silver with my heuristics but no further. Cause my bots broken
struct: I have no idea what to code anymore
Astrobytes: i'm just yoloing from this point tbh
Astrobytes: accepting my fate as a failure
DomiKo: just throw everything and then check if adding skills give you something, if not you know you have a bug :D
Astrobytes: I refactored several parts and it worked as expected, and sat at the bottom of silver. Bug Power
Astrobytes: Fecking ifs
Astrobytes: should've continued writing the sim
emh: fecking sim should've continued writing the ifs
emh: hehe
emh: nahh
emh: but my sim isn't working
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: you've committed to it now emh :D
emh: yes indeed
struct: the brute force move->release doesnt do much for me
struct: since most of the time its under 100 plays
DomiKo: I simulate entire game (50 turns), and in first turn I can simulate around 4000 games
struct: with monte carlo?
DomiKo: yes sir
DomiKo: almost no pruning
struct: 50 turns and eval?
Astrobytes: MC everything? OR with probabilities too?
DomiKo: nope
DomiKo: MC everything with random in actions
emh: DomiKo in first turn I can simulate around 30k games when I used random move, but fewer when I use heuristic moves
emh: my heuristic is slow
Astrobytes: intriguing
struct: so just MC you and opponent?
emh: yes for now
emh: trying to get that to work first
DomiKo: struct yes
struct: Ok I must try that tomorrow
struct: my sanity is gone for the day
DomiKo: I guess that isn't top tier bot, but if it works it works
emh: in 50ms I can do less than 100 games when using my heuristic, so that's too slow
struct: I just want legend
struct: nothing else
Astrobytes: Think I lost mine a few days back. You'll still get legend struct. We all know this.
struct: I doubt it this time
DomiKo: you can do it!
Astrobytes: you do know you say that *every* time
struct: Today I made no progress
emh: I made huge progress with code but not with results today
struct: im surprised random does so well tbh
struct: Do you just keep the best move DomiKo?
struct: or do you store all?
emh: I do a histogram and choose the action that most frequently gives a low turn victory over different seeds
emh: best move is too optimistic
emh: it expects a good seed
struct: I see and for opponent do you just give them your starting hand and sim from there?
emh: I randomize opponent starting hand from opponent cards
emh: I don't know if that's good
emh: maybe I should try to track opponent hand
emh: where his location and how it changes
emh: seems like a lot of work
emh: nahh I'll hope it's not necessary
DomiKo: "Do you just keep the best move DomiKo?" what do you mean?
struct: On the monte carlo
DomiKo: its just Flat MC
struct: you will reach mutliple end games where the starting move was differnt
struct: oh ok
struct: Thanks for the tips
DomiKo: I have to do that way because of randomness of the first action
DomiKo: and i random enemy hand
struct: :thumbsup:
struct: Guess Im going to copy the chat history
struct: For tomorrow, 1 day should be enough for this
DomiKo: sometimes my sim thinks that enemy have a really good hand, and it says that I just lost
Astrobytes: but you win?
DomiKo: yes i win :D
struct: Guess im going back to version 1
struct: That has monte carlo :p
DomiKo: :D
DomiKo: good luck
Astrobytes: beam + variants + what else since?
emh: I know something is wrong when my sim wants to go refactor on first turn
emh: and then it just wants to collect permaskills
Astrobytes: heh heh
struct: I tried mcts, but it was a short amount of time, it required to change a lot of code
Astrobytes: I remember a poll...
DomiKo: idk how to make mcts work, how would you deal with enemy hand?
DomiKo: there are so many options of that
DomiKo: some are good, some are bad
struct: I will just give him the more likely hand
struct: which is not ideal
Astrobytes: some kind of hybrid SPMCTS
Astrobytes: perhaps
struct: I didnt really though much about it
Astrobytes: I'm theorizing only
struct: The only thing I changed for mcts was my move gen
struct: to include all possible training combos
Astrobytes: I mean I'm in fucking silver :D But I'm super interested to know the approaches used here
DomiKo: for me I feel like opponent is really important and you should consider his movement in sim
Astrobytes: because it seems very varied across the board (approaches I mean)
DomiKo: and some early game heuristics should improve any bot I guess
emh: oops.. I forgot to give opponent the correct number of cards.. I just threw his cards into the different piles. lol
struct: Yeah i dont take into account opponent
struct: I just know where he is
struct: but he doesnt really do anything else
emh: so he could start out with 1/3 of his cardss in hand
DomiKo: 1/3?
emh: sleepy coding
Astrobytes: I thought at first opponent wasn't necessary, so beam variant or something, but it seems he might be
emh: DomiKo I randomized probability of his card being in either of the piles without thinking of hand size
emh: I'm so dumb
struct: Im not even sure if my code will be fast enough, but should be easily fixable
struct: I get around 200-300k moves atm.
Astrobytes: I think it depends how you've approached the game tbh, either with some ready game-related heuristics and a good search or I-will-pwn-you-with-my-ifs-heuristics,
DomiKo: I-will-pwn-you-with-my-ifs-heuristics :joy:
Astrobytes: there are a few of those in Legend I believe :D
DomiKo: tomorrow will be the day I will learn some ifs too! I hope
darkhorse64: Just catching on the chat,
struct: darkhorse64 TLDR: domiko uses 50 turn Monte carlo, he randomizes opponent hand at the start of each MC
Astrobytes: + I am shit :D
DomiKo: correct size of opponent hand is important!
struct: ofc randomize with correct size
DomiKo: with wrong opp hand I was stuck around top20 gold
darkhorse64: just random rollouts ? No heuristics for first move ?
DomiKo: I have only: MOVE 2/5 in first turn :D
struct: oh my
Astrobytes: stop jaceking
**darkhorse64 throws a bag of ifs through the window
DomiKo: Ohhh, and something that Psyho sad: you can release app in few first rounds
struct: darkhorse64 we will make it, togehter
struct: I only release at turn 3+ atm
struct: not sure if its good or bad
Astrobytes: you can release earlier than 3?
struct: my bot doesnt know that
DomiKo: you can release even in first turn
darkhorse64: with lots of debt possibly. Let's run my first bot. RANDOM each turn
Astrobytes: sure if the cards are there
struct: But is it a good idea?
darkhorse64: psy ho says no
DomiKo: my bot says no too
Astrobytes: I mean it's kind of intuitive...
struct: I think my bot starts at 2 releasing I think
struct: not sure
Nerchio: turn 1 is bad but like turn 3 already works for some high-debt bots
Astrobytes: my highest silver bot limited any releases until a certain point
Astrobytes: but it's confused
DomiKo: 0+ vs 4+ for me is ~40% to 60% win rate
DomiKo: gn
struct: gn and thanks again for the tips
DomiKo: good luck!
darkhorse64: 50 turns only ? For performance reasons ?
struct: I probably will do it tomorrow
darkhorse64: gn
DomiKo: darkhorse64 games are short, that's why
Astrobytes: gn DomiKo
darkhorse64: well played games, yes
darkhorse64: thanks
struct: I guess you just do normal eval when it reaches the 50
struct: or something
darkhorse64: score/debt easy
struct: maybe also take into account opponent
darkhorse64: your score vs his or your debt vs his if equal
Astrobytes: getting gold or I'm ditching this chat for good :P
struct: you can do it astro
Astrobytes: I win both ways :P
struct: lol
BrunoFelthes: OMG, i need to track my discarted cards between turns... the input do not give me?
struct: wdym bruno?
darkhorse64: hardcode opening, play cards when you can (check you are not preventing release), that's all you need forr gold
struct: also bonus should be good on eval
struct: bonus card I mean
struct: at least my bot likes it
struct: BrunoFelthes you get played_Cards or is this not what you are refering too?
darkhorse64: bonus is my bot problem, not enough of them in the end so I can't release
BrunoFelthes: played_cards is my played cards?
struct: yes
struct: between move and release
BrunoFelthes: omg, i'm not using it
struct: lol
struct: PLAYED_CARDS
struct: tbf this wasnt in the contest at the start
BrunoFelthes: my calculation for the left cards are wrong
Astrobytes: I'll try and write something more rational tomorrow. At least I have a refactored version I can read. But any changes I make break it :D
The_Duck: on the leaderboard, what win percentage is a score difference of 1.0 supposed to represent?
MSmits: I don't know exactly, but from experience it is 65% or so
struct: I think 8.0 is close to 100%
MSmits: mmh I will adjust my guess to 60% i think for 1 rating point
MSmits: 70% for 2
The_Duck: does CG use trueskill, or something else?
darkhorse64: already 3.0 is a huge gap
MSmits: it uses trueskill
struct: yes
The_Duck: ok, googling a bit I think maybe with the default trueskill settings a difference of 4.167 is supposed to be an 80% winrate
MSmits: gonna get some sleep. Almost finished with MC sim, then will need hours of debugging and then I am around where DomiKo is now i hope
struct: gn MSmits, I should also go rest soon
struct: Im also gonna try MC
dxv1d4wrld: Hello world
struct: Lets hope it takes me to legend
struct: hi
MSmits: gn
darkhorse64: I am tempted because I am out of ifs
dxv1d4wrld: how are you doing
struct: darkhorse64 for me its worth a try, since I have no improvements today
struct: and I dont really need to change my sim much for it to work
darkhorse64: I fixed a nasty bug so I am 2.5 below the boss but that's too large
Astrobytes: if (it.works()) use(it);
Astrobytes: (not an iterator)
darkhorse64: #60 overall not too bad but I will certainly decay. MC is a gamble (nice pun, isn't it ?)
darkhorse64: :grin:
struct: Yeah 2.5 might be too much
struct: im even further than that
struct: like 4 or 5
Astrobytes: Truly fantastic dark
struct: 4.5
Astrobytes: *darkhorse64
Astrobytes: (my ankles fail me)
darkhorse64: :smile:
darkhorse64: gn all
struct: gn
Astrobytes: I hope we can keep all this shittalking up on discord :D
Astrobytes: gn darkhorse64
Astrobytes: note to self: TRACODINGINING is not a valid destination
struct: lol
Astrobytes: ooh big thunderstorm
Crosility: :thunder_cloud_rain:
Astrobytes: electric rainyland
struct: not sure if I should go to sleep yet or not
struct: I will probably only sleep again after contest ends like usual
Astrobytes: Sleep is for the week (sic)
Astrobytes: It's the weekend so no excuses
Westicles: you've got free healthcare, go get some amphetamines
struct: not for long Westicles
Astrobytes: doesn't work like that lol
struct: soon you will start seeing more countries loosing "free healthcare"
Astrobytes: Dr Proctor! I am so sleepy! Here Patient Impatient! Have some meth!
Astrobytes: that only works in small places in Michigan
Astrobytes: (and similar)
struct: also if i go to the doctor or something I still have to pay
struct: I dont know whats free anymore
struct: we probably just pay way less
Astrobytes: Even if no medicine prescribed struct?
struct: yes
Astrobytes: that's not free
Astrobytes: In the UK it's completely free
Astrobytes: until you need medication
struct: oh
Astrobytes: then you pay a small fee for the prescription
struct: Maybe its similar
Astrobytes: (not the medicine)
struct: Its been a long time since ive been to the doctor
struct: There is something like "Family medic" is what we call it here
struct: That one I guess its the one thats free
struct: But to get an appointment it takes months
struct: you dont pay for the medicine?
Astrobytes: No, it's covered by the national health service
Astrobytes: The one we all pay tax into and whatnot and that they're trying to turn into the American system
struct: well you already have 2 things in common with US
Astrobytes: Idiotic population and crazy leaders?
struct: Well I guess portugal is next then
Astrobytes: (I generalise, many of my good friends are American)
struct: This week the president of the republic said the portuguese will avoid being sick during august
struct: There are not enough medics to cover that month
Astrobytes: The NHS is free, completely, if you're admitted to hospital after (for example) a gunshot wound, you will not die because you don't have insurance
Astrobytes: "avoid being sick" struct? Seriously?
struct: yes
Astrobytes: smh
Astrobytes: ever get the feeling we're not meant to be a species? :D
struct: not really
Westicles: There's just way too many of us. The big guys are working on fixing this
Astrobytes: they seem to be
struct: Fix?
struct: or make it worse?
struct: Their fixes look like my bot fixes
Astrobytes: I would say *fixing in their favour
Astrobytes: hey struct, your bot fixes are usually at the very least highly efficient
Astrobytes: more than can be said for global leadership :)
struct: There is no global
struct: But I dont pay much attention to polictics
struct: So I can be wrong
Astrobytes: there's a global alright, not for us though
Astrobytes: anyway, enough polly ticks
Astrobytes: spent half the day in Scottish Independence rally chat
struct: I have no clue what that is
Westicles: Trying to get back to the EU?
struct: lol
Astrobytes: Us Scottish folk want rid of those nutjobs in England
struct: wasnt brexit close to 50 50?
Astrobytes: Ah yeah, but not in Scotland or Northern Ireland
Astrobytes: Or Wales
Astrobytes: I think
Astrobytes: I mean Wales would probably team up with the Cornish and form an alliance with Bretagne
emh: do skipped phases count as a turn?
Westicles: Independence in this case means going back to Germany paying for everything :P
struct: for me 1 turn = move Until release emh
struct: ah but I guess domiko wanted to say 1 turn = 1 frame
emh: yes I think so
emh: isn't it?
struct: I think so
struct: since games can end in 50 frames
emh: I guess it doesn't really matter too much as long as you minimize
struct: if it was 50 move -> release
struct: it would be 150turns +
Astrobytes: I would think so
Astrobytes: @Westicles no, not that at all
Astrobytes: https://www.britannica.com/place/United-Kingdom/The-Brexit-referendum
emh: my sim is finishing the games at start of game at around 200 turns now when I said it's one phase == one turn
struct: emh dont allow the player to use wait
struct: if he can release for free
struct: might help idk
emh: is that good?
emh: I have strict requirements for release hehe
emh: at least my heuristic does
struct: Woudlnt you want to release instead of waiting if its free?
struct: free = no tech debt
Astrobytes: ^ if it has no tech debt its a no brainer
emh: yeah mostly
emh: I guess it only matters for your permaskills
emh: but search should know
emh: it should figure it out right?
struct: but MC is not that smart
Astrobytes: how so re. permaskills?
struct: automated I guess
Astrobytes: Fair, Is arch overly useful?
struct: I dont think I use it at all
struct: I use continuous code review and daily
Astrobytes: I found it to be the most useless card but my bot sucks so don't trust me
struct: My bot goal is to automate bonus
struct: not much besides that
struct: and automate skills that are most common in apps
struct: might not be a good idea
BrunoFelthes: when we use and DR or an AS, it will be out of the office pile until the user release an app?
struct: yes
Astrobytes: added as a permanent skill and removed from there yeah
struct: oh Thanks BrunoFelthes I guess I have that bug too
struct: I need to subtract the 5 - players[].daily
BrunoFelthes: new rules discovered every time.. they should send this value :/
Astrobytes: I've lost my way in this contest :D
struct: They could have added the input in gold or something
Westicles: All these japanese guys figured it out
struct: but its not a good practice I guess
Astrobytes: did someone say CSB?
struct: Yeah but I dont know japanese Westicles
BrunoFelthes: and it will be removed from your hand too?
Westicles: I bet someone rewrote the whole thing in 10 lines
struct: yes BrunoFelthes it wont show in any of the cards given
struct: so you need to subtract from the inputs daily_routine_permanent and the architect one
Astrobytes: IT's removed afaik ah struct said it
Astrobytes: of perl Westicles
struct: They should make another contest next month with all bugs fixed from the start
BrunoFelthes: oh, so, problably, use the AS is not a very good idea
struct: Why not?
struct: ah because its removed
BrunoFelthes: yeah
Astrobytes: hahah, I had such a wrong idea of how it worked that whole weekend
struct: yeah seems like a terrible card
BrunoFelthes: you need to balance
struct: since the release makes it gone its not very usefull
BrunoFelthes: draw one more card and have one card less to draw
struct: I cant see many uses for it
BrunoFelthes: same thing for daily routine
Astrobytes: daily is more useful
Westicles: When it pops up the only other choice is usually wait
Astrobytes: no, if your opp is taking a space you would like to be at, you can take a card from there with DR no?
Astrobytes: (if the numbers add up obviously)
struct: If you put this game in front of me and ask me to play it, I would have no clue on what to do
Astrobytes: opp = 2, you want 2, go to 1 with 1 DR, DR 1 2
Astrobytes: DR 1 I mean
Astrobytes: oh fuck me sideways
Astrobytes: Play your DR
Astrobytes: and then you can MOVE 1 2
yanamal: you'd need 2 DRs for that to be free but yeah. (since normally, you have to pay if you're one space away from opponent, too)
Astrobytes: Yes true
struct: and since the release removes it
struct: its meh
Astrobytes: that's OK though struct
struct: only good for last release imo
struct: maybe not
struct: idk
Astrobytes: could be, not sure
struct: Maybe the MC will like it
struct: who knows
yanamal: Also my bot seems to use AS when it wants to mill more cards to compensate for too many TDs in the deck. but my bot is pretty dumb right now still.
struct: what if the bug bruno said is whats keeping me in gold
Astrobytes: Mines identifies as a rock.
yanamal: Like, if you draw 5 cards instead of 4 cards, and 1/4 of your deck is TDs, then you get 4/5 more useful cards on average in your hand
Astrobytes: wasn't there a discussion on this earlier? I was too busy with my Wullie Wallace stuff
yanamal: I added one line of code and my rank jumped up like 60 places. then I added another line and it's currently back down to where it was before.
yanamal: I only pay attention sporadically to chat
Astrobytes: Having similar issues there yanamal
Astrobytes: somewhere between rank 5 and rank 499 depending on the bug I fix
Astrobytes: Is bug-balancing a recognised skill?
struct: lol
struct: last bug i fixed made my eval worse
struct: I left the feature on
Astrobytes: I left most of my bot 'on' after the refactoring earlier because it simply failed
Astrobytes: Fresh eyes later, I probably screwed some logic.
Astrobytes: when your bug IS your bot it takes time and great care...
yanamal: it's not a bug, it's a practical heuristic simplification
Astrobytes: I am 100% cool with that definition
Astrobytes: I mean, testing right?
Astrobytes: OK, beer time. Wait for submit, then chill (to hippie metal ofc)
struct: Nice a bug that happens on gcc but not on msvc
struct: fml
Astrobytes: there are a few of those
Astrobytes: what did you get?
struct: no error just different behavior
Astrobytes: you're not fucking avxing the thing again are you?
struct: lol no
struct: let me disable it just in case
Astrobytes: remember to check the size of assumed things
Astrobytes: that can vary between GCC non-win - anything win plaforms
Astrobytes: *plaaatformmmmssss
Astrobytes: Platforms
struct: what magic am I doing this time
struct: hmm
Astrobytes: to condense my previous nonsense, ensure type sizes are what you are expecting
struct: now it works
struct: nice
struct: I dont know why
struct: ...
Astrobytes: what did you disable?
struct: oh there never was a bug :D
struct: cerr << stopwatch.ellapsedMilliseconds() << " " << size << endl;
struct: i wanted to output total instead of size
struct: size was returning me 0
Astrobytes: knob :D
struct: and I was wondering how I was 0 actions
struct: :D
Astrobytes: Remember that driver banging into the gate?
struct: How could I forget
struct: msvc is sh*T
struct: Omfg
struct: ah debug mode
struct: its late forgive me
Astrobytes: LOL
struct: still sh*t on release
Astrobytes: "MSVC is shit" noted
struct: 7ms for 1k games of 50 turns
struct: dont know if its bad or not
Astrobytes: it's shit sometimes if you're going for gcc as a target
struct: yeah msvc doesnt like the bitpacked stuff
Astrobytes: I thought you had the whole wsl2 thing set up?
struct: it is
struct: I can wsl and use cmake with visual studio
struct: but I dont know cmake
Astrobytes: ah bit ops are so much nicer with gcc, I use the linux laptop for that stuff
struct: wsl is microsoft greatest invention
Astrobytes: *bit ops if you need to debug them I mean, on win - good luck
struct: yeah
struct: I dont know how it handles templates
struct: since I have them aswel for the bits
Astrobytes: in terms of what?
struct: for example I want to access the CONTINUOUS
Astrobytes: I mean it's compile time stuff, but at the drawback of having no damn error output
struct: i do data.at<CONTINUOUS>();
struct: instead of data.at(CONTINUOUS);
struct: I guess it ends up being the same
struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3fd10c06-78c2-468e-94e5-62c8b8857b5c
struct: ...
Astrobytes: not sure I see a benefit there
struct: yeah it probaly ends up being the same
struct: https://pastebin.com/sWDiM0xy
struct: But I avoid the ifs without the template
Astrobytes: but templated methods won't give you correct error output if you fuck it up
struct: I never used tempaltes much
struct: I dont even know if this is the right way to use them
Astrobytes: it'll just compile and do whatever nefarious things you told it to
Astrobytes: tricky little beast it is
Astrobytes: why is that templated?
struct: no idea
struct: I dont know when to use them
struct: :p
Astrobytes: (what were you trying to do)
struct: it was just to access it
struct: I should read what templates are for instead
struct: Im not having problems with it btw
struct: Its done and its working
Astrobytes: I mean I expected something like template <typename T arg>
Astrobytes: t&, don't forget your reference passing :P
Astrobytes: so you could pass a float, an int, a whatever in there
Astrobytes: as long as you handle it properly
struct: I see
struct: I think I saw that stuff before on some git repos
Astrobytes: (this is a very rough sketchy idea of the whole thing)
Astrobytes: I mean, templates are ridiculous
Astrobytes: but for just templated functions and methods it's relatively simple
jacek: so like generics in C#/java?
Astrobytes: I think it might be similar jacek
Astrobytes: But I'm not experienced enough in either to really say "yes" with a degree of confidence
Crosility: ~ Is there a way to determine the clash of code win condition prior to joining?
Astrobytes: if anything, it might be easier to debug java/c# generic errors than templated C++ stuff, depending on what you're doing
Astrobytes: back to your templating struct: if you need the multiple types or whatever, make sure you handle them all and template it after, it can save time sometimes
struct: :thumbsup:
Astrobytes: For CG at least. I take no responsibility for people using my shit code tips in production.
Crosility: Haha, what a nice warning :]
Astrobytes: I'm an amateur, wth do I know :D
struct: to late pushed to master
Astrobytes: :D
struct: test 1 passed
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/646891004
struct: :p
struct: I know its bronze but is just to test mc
struct: 38 turns seems fast
Astrobytes: for Bronze/silver yes
Astrobytes: For gold too probs
Astrobytes: I don't know
struct: nah it cant beat silver
struct: :/
Astrobytes: Just listening to angry punk and dropping comments in my code for tomorrow lol
Astrobytes: Finished comments. Time to Saturday. Catch you later and don't work too much struct
struct: cya
struct: I should go soon
struct: I dont think it worked
Astrobytes: Sleep on it mate
Astrobytes: clearer head after a rest
iggy12345: will I always have to throw away two cards in the throw_card phase?
struct: yes
yanamal: well unless you don't have two to throw away
iggy12345: I noticed that if I only have one type of card to throw away, that it auto throws those away
yanamal: yes I think in general it only asks you for input if there's a choice to make
iggy12345: but will there be two throw_card stages, or just one?
iggy12345: I'm queueing up throws, but they keep interfering with the rest of my program
struct: you cant queue it up
struct: 1 output per turn
iggy12345: muahaha, I got it, thank you
Phiti: the simulator is bad
