AryanTripathi: scored 92.5% in my exams lesssss goooooo
AryanTripathi: @nicola you always online but you don't chat lmao
eulerscheZahl: 92.5% less than what?
eulerscheZahl: nicol a is mostly active on #fr
emh: good morning
eulerscheZahl: the source code is confusing me.
when i disturb an opponent, i have to give a card (so far, so clear)
when i don't have a skill card anymore after giving, i get to draw a new card?
eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/societe-generale/GreenCircle/blob/62fb2c43108c1dd7d7fd2da8041f43567be36774/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Game.java#L435
kovi: If they do not have any skill card in hand, they get 2 Technical Debt cards.
FootDuck: subscribe to technoblade
FootDuck: wrong chat
eulerscheZahl: that's what i understand from the statement too
eulerscheZahl: but i don't get how the code reflects this
eulerscheZahl: also: "when i don't have a skill card anymore **after giving**"
eulerscheZahl: so: i have 1 skill card. i pass it on. i have none left. ?i get a new one?
kovi: you are right code seems quite different from description :(
eulerscheZahl: i try to trigger the case and analyze the replay
eulerscheZahl: hm, won't occur often
eulerscheZahl: i should just finish the sim to my understanding of the rules and then analyze any differences to the real one
therealbeef: i think that get number of cards to throw can never be 0 at that point
therealbeef: it seems not updated by giving a card
therealbeef: and if you had nothing to throw you had nothing to give either
therealbeef: so the give card function wouldn't be called
Ayushman965: hey are there ever any contests for less experienced coders? (like me)
Ayza: It's really the leagues Ayushman965
Ayza: but you probably always still need some experience for the first league
AshamanCooper: The sping challenge was a good one, with the spiders. The video will walk you though the first bit to give you an idea on what to do, and you can improve it as you learn. This one I keep thinking I got it, just to still be missing a part to win not using random...
eulerscheZahl: the spiders couldn't convince me, too heuristic-heavy
AshamanCooper: I had to look that up, but would that not just be programing in a nutshell...?
eulerscheZahl: there are other games where you can simulate the game a few turns ahead to analyze the possible outcomes of your actions
eulerscheZahl: more fun for me personally, feels less like patching one thing and breaking some other instead
AshamanCooper: It does feel like reaction a lot of the time.
AshamanCooper: YES!!! passed division 1 of wood for the Green Circle. I have been at this all day!!
TINOUAINANI: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642193728
TINOUAINANI: in 30 how I RELEASE an application with just 7 skills without getting a dept card ?
TINOUAINANI: can some one help me ?
eulerscheZahl: i guess you did some automation before
TINOUAINANI: oh i see thanks
eulerscheZahl: frame 15: CONTINUOUS_INTEGRATION 8
jacek: i can get to ~20th but when i woke up i was 5th. so all i need is just to wait :3
AshamanCooper: wth is the cardTypeID??
[SG]Sebastien: AshamanCooper: it's the numeric id (0 for training, 1 for coding...7 for refactoring, 8 for bonus)
AshamanCooper: Just figured this out, even seeing this 5 min ago would have helped, thank you. I had a repl on my card class that I forgot about and made debugging worse lol.
jacek: when PLAYED_CARDS was added lol
emh: jacek with the update yesterday
emh: hmm.. my release criteria is mostly myScore < opponentScore.. kinda works, but I should find a better idea I guess as I'm usually behind opponent in this way
emh: release critera with debt that is
jacek: Automaton2000 where are your cards
Automaton2000: it used to be an easy puzzle
therealbeef: we're way past that point Automaton2000
Automaton2000: i have a better version
raxkin: Can anyone explain me this case:
https://www.codingame.com/replay/642227670
Turn 43, how it's possible to release the app 23. There is not enougth points to release, and on top of that it only gets 1 technical debt
raxkin: And similar for the next releases
TINOUAINANI: can I throw the bonus card in POST ADMINSTARATIF?
tobk: Can someone explain what exactly ARCHITECTURE_STUDY "The team will draw one more card at the beginning of their turn." means? I can pick 2 (or 3, 4, ...) cards from the desk I MOVE to?
emh: raxkin each skill card has 2 good skills and 2 shoddy skills. it adds up
emh: and the shoddy skills are of any type
raxkin: emh i know, but it have 2 skill card and 1 bonus, that's 2+2 + 1+1, so it's not able to release the app that requires 4/4
raxkin: missing 2
emh: you have 2 coding and 1 training. that's 6 good skills and 6 shoddy
emh: tobk nope, not from the desk, from your draw pile at the start of the turn. instead of 4 cards you get 5,6,7...
raxkin: it's on the blue guy
raxkin: that is releasing
emh: ohh
tobk: emh ah, that makes sense, thanks!
emh: raxkin he has 4 automated bonus
emh: you can see if you hover over his player
raxkin: Oh i understand it now
raxkin: thanks
Dream1234: good morning
tobk: does an "automated" skill card still provide 2 good + 2 shoddy, or just 1 good?
MSmits: still does everything tobk
tobk: Thanks! But like "permanent" they are still gone after the release, right?
MSmits: no
MSmits: continuous integration is *really* permanent
tobk: Oh, that's nice! Thanks again.
jacek: they are more permanent than permanent skills :thinking:
MSmits: np
tobk: The rules in this one are really complex... :-D
Dream1234: have you guys done algorithms on hackerrank Im struggling with TBS problem and spieses reviesed
MSmits: well, the complexity is not that big, but everything is really wordy
Dream1234: okay thx
MSmits: if they just called it mana or something with various colors and the colors having specific powers, you would not find it as complex
tobk: The explaining video being in french does not help that much, either (although the automated subtitles are some help) :-P
AshamanCooper: far to much.. I think I have my code to the point I can get it to do most anything, it tracks alot, but I am not sure what to tell it to do..
Dream1234: interesting
MSmits: AshamanCooper now the real test begins :)
MSmits: what was the new location? "PLAYED_CARDS" ?
AshamanCooper: I haven't watch it yet, but I am hoping this will help me understand. https://youtu.be/dlat7r5FygU let see how inspired it really was, hopefully alot.
MSmits: exact wording i mean
DaNinja: PLAYED_CARDS
MSmits: it doesn't show up when i reset the code (in the comments)
MSmits: ah ok thanks
DaNinja: its shwon in the "Next cardLocationsCount lines:" section
DaNinja: *shown
MSmits: you mean in the statement
jacek: so they didnt update stub
MSmits: apparently not
jacek: dat QA
MSmits: it's better if they do, for players that join this weekend
MSmits: lol c++ is the worst. I added the cardlocation to my bot, but forgot to increase my cardsarray by 10. It just happily runs and starts overwriting memory locations.
MSmits: i start releasing apps that dont exist
emh: why are you using c++? do you need performance? are you writing sim?
MSmits: yeah i am trying to
MSmits: might need performance, might not
MSmits: hard to say at this point
emh: I feel it's gonna be too hard to write a probabilistic sim
MSmits: dont want to have to convert next weekend
emh: hehe
jacek: "i start releasing apps that dont exist" thats reminds me of something
MSmits: also, even though C++ is way worse than working with C# for example, i do it a lot, so my familiarity with it offsets the inconvenience
eulerscheZahl: for me c# is both more convenient and more familiar
emh: I like C++. avoiding pointers I rarely segfault anymore
jacek: the problem with C++ is it works overwriting some memory then much later BAH!, some random error
MSmits: C# has a lot of useful features I don't know about
jacek: at some other place and you look into that place
eulerscheZahl: C# adds so much in every big release, i lost track as well
MSmits: jacek yes that is what just happened to me. Thankfully i noticed the error relatively quickly. Could have taken me hours
MSmits: btw, i might create a local arena in C#
MSmits: if i have the time
MSmits: some windows forms thingy
MSmits: since cg benchmark isnt really an option anymore
eulerscheZahl: try the new .ne MAUI. it's platform independent
eulerscheZahl: .net
MSmits: why is it useful for it to be platform independent?
eulerscheZahl: so i can use it too?
MSmits: lol
MSmits: ok
MSmits: i need to use something thats familiar to me. I use windows forms every day
eulerscheZahl: well, not sure if linux is even part of maui :(
jacek: so you can run arena in the phone youll win in this contest
MSmits: lol
eulerscheZahl: it's for windows, macOS, android, iOS
eulerscheZahl: and in the end you just add a single webview to the UI and do the rest in Blazor
MSmits: uh ok...
MSmits: something to investigate wen i have more than 9 days
MSmits: when
emh: I've reached a plateau with my bot. waiting for a new meta. or lightning strike me with a new idea
eulerscheZahl: youtube: Tim Corey
does great tutorials to get you started on various .net technologies
AshamanCooper: What are sims and why is performance on here import. is that just good practice? I am new and those statement make no sense to me.
MSmits: thanks, will note that down euler
eulerscheZahl: Nick Chapsas for deeper insights on small details. like memory management and performance with C#
MSmits: AshamanCooper sim means simulating the game state when you make a move
jacek: it may not be that important in this contest, but it is important in many bot games
MSmits: preferably you should be able to see the result from applying various moves and pick the one that gives the best result
MSmits: the more you simulate, the more time it takes, so you want it to be fast
jacek: think of chess engine analyzing deeper moves
MSmits: if you dont know how to do this, dont worry about it in this game really. There's simpler games to learn how to do this with
MSmits: simple if/else rules will go a long way herew
emh: ahh Zylo resubmitted that's why I'm 3rd
Zylo: ok, I'm looking...
Zylo: (not here, sorry)
emh: haha
Zylo: :-P I've answered for old comment and then I got a new ones
Zylo: emh: for now top5 play in different way but have similar "play power"
jacek: ifs power
emh: hmm ok
emh: rock paper scissors
MSmits: mmh you can use TASK prio on 2 cards of the same type?
Zylo: I have many loops also :-P
MSmits: that seems unproductive :P
MSmits: also it seems like you cant pick a bonus card with it?
emh: can't you pick a bonus card by picking from an empty desk?
MSmits: not sure, maybe ?
MSmits: I just meant you cant use index 8
MSmits: as a target
emh: yeah
MSmits: but you can point to your own bonus card with it
MSmits: so 8 7 is ok
MSmits: 7 8 is not
kovi: permanent skills cannot be used for release?
MSmits: no
MSmits: they are in your discard pile
MSmits: you used em
MSmits: wait
MSmits: i thought you meant the continuous integration card itself
MSmits: but thats not permanent
MSmits: you mean daily routine
MSmits: and architecture
kovi: yes
MSmits: you used those and you get a separate modifier for having used them
MSmits: when you use them they go into played cards, then discard, then back into draw
MSmits: so you can use the same daily routine card multiple times and they stack
MSmits: but you cant release with it on a turn where you played it
kovi: my original question:
can i use them while in permanent position for release or not?
MSmits: no
kovi: thx
emh: MSmits ahh I seem to have botched the selection of bonus cards for TASK_PRIORITY after a change. added a TODO
MSmits: i am confused about 1 thing now though
MSmits: do they go in discard when used?
MSmits: or is this permanent position a card location?
kovi: no. they stay with "player"
Astrobytes: I still have no idea what I'm doing
MSmits: is it a card location?
kovi: they go to discard after release
MSmits: yea ofc
MSmits: but where do you get them in input
MSmits: it's one of the 5 cards, so where is it?
MSmits: hand/played/discard/draw ?
MSmits: Astrobytes many don't
MSmits: i sort of understand most rules and can sim them, but other things confuse me
Astrobytes: oh they added PLAYED_CARDS
Astrobytes: Yeah, some of the details are a bit vague
MSmits: very
emh: I didn't bother about PLAYED_CARDS but now I realized you need it for cards left
Astrobytes: saves us having to track it manually at least
MSmits: yeah i was worried about having to do that
MSmits: mmh can someone check this. Near the end of the game (frame 104 for example). The architecture cards count up to a total of 4. This suggests the "permanent" architecture skill also takes up one of the 5.
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642262387
MSmits: which means that when you want to calculate how many cards are in the desk, you also need to take into account the permanent skills of the players
wlesavo: MSmits yeah, all permanents are consumed
MSmits: so not just 5 - hand - draw - played - desk - 2x auto, but also subtract the permanent for archi and daily
kovi: yes, those are "slots"
(disappear from all other piles)
MSmits: that's very easy to miss though
emh: I missed it
MSmits: wlesavo "consumed" is a very dubious statement
MSmits: the important thing is the card locations
wlesavo: not obvious from the rules, as many other things
MSmits: apparently the permanent skills are 2 more possible card locations
wlesavo: MSmits well i mean it in the way it is not present in any hand or board
MSmits: yeah i got that now :)
MSmits: it's just all very confusing
Paroni: Thinking of this as an actual board game helped me a lot I think. Most rules are pretty intuitive that way. For example, the permanent cards are tracked by having them in front of the player on the table.
kovi: exactly
(i just thought that they can be used as well - before discard)
jacek: you just need to buy physical copy
MSmits: they disappear from the hand in the viewer kovi, thats how i know they cant
MSmits: there's just a permanent skill nr that goes up +1
kovi: yeah, i though they are like automated
kovi: with spefic additional benefit
MSmits: automated are weird too as they can *only* be used for release
eulerscheZahl: the list of valid inputs implies that TASK_PRIORITIZATION can only take a skill card. but reading the source it's also legal to pick a bonus card, isn't it?
MSmits: yep, but its not
MSmits: you can trade away a bonus card
MSmits: but not receive one from the bonus pile
MSmits: but you can receive one from an empty skill desk
MSmits: so 7 8 is allowed and 8 7 is not
MSmits: wait
MSmits: the other way around
MSmits: 8 7 is allowed
eulerscheZahl: are you sure?
https://github.com/societe-generale/GreenCircle/blob/62fb2c43108c1dd7d7fd2da8041f43567be36774/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Game.java#L288-L291
eulerscheZahl: i should be able to pick up an 8
MSmits: I am just going from the random actions i get offerd
MSmits: maybe it doesnt show up in random
eulerscheZahl: also those tiny things really pull me off while reading
thrownCard vs cardTaken
eulerscheZahl: can't you call it takenCard for consistency?
MSmits: yeah]
MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/06051f91-d9fb-419e-a7ac-6cb049508340
eulerscheZahl: and that's my point: i think the list of actions doesn't 100% match what we are allowed to do
MSmits: there is no 2nd index 8
eulerscheZahl: i know
MSmits: ah ok
eulerscheZahl: time to hardcode and see, i guess
MSmits: well good that makes things easier. In my sim i should only consider picking up bonus cards directly from the bonus pile then
MSmits: and ignore empty desks
Astrobytes: but what about "If you need to draw a skill card from a desk and there are none left, you will draw a BONUS skill card instead.
If there is no BONUS skill card left, you will get no card."
jacek: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/83eb8cac-ad88-4d7d-9649-0f67783f4030
MSmits: yeah not all possible orders are in there jacek
MSmits: you miss task 7 8
MSmits: for example
jacek: w00t
jacek: this is from referee :f
MSmits: huh
MSmits: where in referee?
jacek: that is, not my sim
MSmits: is this the possible actions from the random selection or is this some limit on the actual possible actions?
jacek: possible moves from hundreds of random games
Rafarafa: task priority needs a skill card I think
Rafarafa: that's why no 8 right?
MSmits: yeah so you are taking this from the list of randoms jacek
MSmits: this list is not complete, it doesnt give you all the options you have
MSmits: Rafarafa you can give away an 8 according to the list, but not take an 8
MSmits: which is wrong if you read the source code
MSmits: you *can* take an 8
Rafarafa: wait so the tooltip is wrong?
MSmits: throw new GameRuleException(command, "you can only deprioritize a card type between 0 and 8");
MSmits: throw new GameRuleException(command, "you can only prioritize a card type between 0 and 8");
MSmits: from the referee
eulerscheZahl: 8 is bonus
jacek: inclusive or exclusive
MSmits: inclusive
MSmits: because we already know 8 is allowed for giving away
eulerscheZahl: the question is, what i can get instead
MSmits: how do you mean euler?
eulerscheZahl: wait a moment, trying to hardcode it
eulerscheZahl: frame 26
https://www.codingame.com/replay/642283199
eulerscheZahl: getting a bonus for a skill card. this should not be possible according to list of possible inputs provided
emh: https://github.com/societe-generale/GreenCircle/blob/62fb2c43108c1dd7d7fd2da8041f43567be36774/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Game.java#L734 there is the code that doesn't generate the 8s
eulerscheZahl: TASK_PRIORITIZATION 7 8
MSmits: nice one eulerscheZahl :)
jacek: darn. will they fix the inputs or restrict the 8?
MSmits: it's not really an issue tbh
MSmits: only people who dont generate moves lose this option
Astrobytes: well since it's wrong it kinda is :D
MSmits: and they can just pick an empty desk for a bonus anyways
jacek: i dont generate moves ;f
MSmits: yeah ok, but it is a small issue compared to so many other confusing things
eulerscheZahl: that's why i read the code instead of messy statement
emh: there is not always an empty desk though
Smekarn: euler: Was TASK_PRIORITIZATION 7 8 among the possible moves given to you?
MSmits: if there's not, you can get your favorite card, why would you want bonus then
eulerscheZahl: painful to make progress but you catch this kind of easter-egg
emh: MSmits ahh true enough
MSmits: ye reading the source definitely helps
eulerscheZahl: Smekarn i don't heve the inputs for this specific turn, but:
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d1f82586-ce41-4dcc-bc74-946da341ebf6
eulerscheZahl: they never offer you to trade an "x 8" but it's possible regardless
eulerscheZahl: referee even handles that case separately
eulerscheZahl: so doesn't look accidental to me
Smekarn: I see, nice catch!
struct: So I can do TASK_PRIO 0-7 8?
Astrobytes: Yes
MSmits: no
MSmits: TASK_PRIO 0-8 8?
MSmits: you can trade bonus for bonus
Astrobytes: oh right you are
struct: so TASK _PRIO 0-8 0-8?
MSmits: yep
struct: thanks
MSmits: we are here all day figuring out to the rules for you :P
Astrobytes: getting another coffee
struct: jacek will have to starting generating moves
struct: its not too hard I guess
MSmits: yep
jacek: :scream:
struct: I think making a NN work might be harder than generating moves, but what do I know
MSmits: it's super easy, barely an inconvenience
jacek: nah, its impossible for this game due to not perfect information
MSmits: it's still possible using azero style
MSmits: it's just crazy hard and if you dont make it in 9 days you have nothing
struct: The hardest part of this game is the sim part of admin
struct: imo
MSmits: because the throw happens in 2 phases?
struct: even if it was just one
struct: I just add pending move to gamestate
MSmits: looking at my sim function for it you are correct, it is the largest, but mostly because it is 2 cards
MSmits: you dont want to double the possibilities so i consider 2 identical and then do the i 0 to 8 and j i+1 to 8
MSmits: as card A, then card B is the same as card B, then card A
MSmits: and you need to keep track of the throw phase so your sim knows there is only 1 card left to throw
struct: But you are not taking into account card A card A with that are you?
MSmits: yes i am
MSmits: 2 identical
struct: ah
struct: didnt read the start sry
MSmits: np, you see,the size of my chattext is parallel to the size of the function
struct: lol
emh: I also have a big function. it's called main
emh: where everything lives, more or less
MSmits: I have some advice that will blow your mind emh
emh: MSmits what is it?
MSmits: make a function void MASSIVE_IF_FOREST() . this will clean your main right ip
MSmits: up
emh: hehe
struct: Next thing is are going to say is that you use the online ide
Astrobytes: :rofl:
MSmits: i have a dilemma
MSmits: my solver now picks the winning moves with the lowest TD
MSmits: but if i input training and code cards, the solver no longer predicts the win, but a win probability
eulerscheZahl: TD? tower defense?
MSmits: technical debt
eulerscheZahl: makes more sense in this context
MSmits: so do i want the highest win probability or do i want the lowest TD
emh: struct I do use the online IDE
Astrobytes: was hoping for temporal difference
MSmits: lol
MSmits: i shouldnt call it win prob, i should call it app-5 release probability
emh: I don't have too many ifs. just 50
Astrobytes: that is indeed a dilemma. I would say test it
struct: I need probabilities? im screwed
MSmits: this is starting to look very similar to locam
jacek: Temporal Difference?
MSmits: in that game i would use brute force and usually only use 1% of calc time except in rare instances where it used all
jacek: oops not scrolled
MSmits: you also had phases in a turn there
emh: oops wrong file.. I do have too many ifs. 160
struct: more ifs than all my bots combined
MSmits: in code a la mode i had over 300 ifs
MSmits: and i used a beam search :P
emh: hehe nice
emh: 160 ifs. 49 else. 49 for loops.
emh: 1309 lines
MSmits: nice
MSmits: difficult bot to modify
emh: yes especially there's repeated distance desk take code everywhere
emh: after daily routine skill
Astrobytes: 560 lines and all it does is read the input and store it :o
MSmits: oh that, i didnt even get around to simulating that
Sheeesh---: i just crashed the game
Sheeesh---: and didn't save the replay
Sheeesh---: what a waste
jimliu: hi
MSmits: you crashed your bot or the actual game?
jimliu: yes
Sheeesh---: the actual game
MSmits: oh... thats bad, someone else will crash it though
Sheeesh---: dunno if i can repeat it
Astrobytes: try
Sheeesh---: i did it again
MSmits: oops
Sheeesh---: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642295674
Sheeesh---: sheeeesh!
eulerscheZahl: 470 lines here - for an untested sim
emh: ohh I'm in your replay
MSmits: me too
MSmits: I think everyone is in that replay
wlesavo: yeah
Sheeesh---: yeah
Astrobytes: Yep
Sheeesh---: lol
wlesavo: nice :smiley:
struct: whats the error Sheeesh--- ?
Sheeesh---: the replay has an empty icon for me
Smekarn: My strategy: Take only TRAINING and CODING cards, release the first app as soon as possible. Then you should be able to stall the game until round 200 by only playing TRAINING/CODING cards. This loop is possible since I draw new cards from the discard pile.
struct: that referee throws
Sheeesh---: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/bd0d6f70-6b4e-4a14-a789-be54e11885d1
Astrobytes: my 560 also includes all my utility classes (timers, random, logging etc)
Sheeesh---: here is it
therealbeef: out of cheese error
eulerscheZahl: congrats Sheeesh--- you found a way to crash the referee
MSmits: sheesh
eulerscheZahl: submit this in the arena and get 100% draw rate
Sheeesh---: it's an honor
Sheeesh---: wait
wlesavo: i have ~400 loc with 70 ifs :slight_smile:
struct: Legend here I come
struct: im just gonna do CTTT tactics
struct: if I cant win crash
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: cooperative tic tac toe?
Astrobytes: Counting lol
MSmits: o
MSmits: oh i copy moves there
MSmits: except when is solve the game,it is funny
Astrobytes: uttt == uncooperative tictactoe
MSmits: yeah
Sheeesh---: it dosen't happen in arena tho
Sheeesh---: doesn't
Sheeesh---: just got scammed
struct: It should even if rare
struct: They referee is the same
StevenV: Hello guys
~Gambit~: can a bonus skill be a shoddy skill
Astrobytes: one good, one shoddy
struct: Bonus = one good point for any skill and a shoddy
emh: uhh ohh 12 losses in a row against Zylo's new submit. down to rank 5
~Gambit~: ok
Astrobytes: debating whether or not to continue along the sim-based route or just make an if-forest :thinking:
struct: Im gonna finish the sim
struct: Because then I can use it anyways
struct: It wont be wasted
Astrobytes: true
DaNinja: 210 lines now, debating whether to bother with a sim
struct: Im coding a sim because im not very good at coding heuristics
vsa: too much caffeine.
MSmits: same
MSmits: (struct)
emh: my Master thesis was a heuristic
emh: but more loops than ifs
MSmits: my Master thesis was a sim :P
NotSureWhyThisWorks: what would be a simple algorithm to use with a sim for this type of game?
MSmits: (not kidding)
MSmits: brute force = try all moves
NotSureWhyThisWorks: so run to the max depth that time limit allows, and choose best first move?
StevenV: I think another Heuristic
MSmits: dont want to say too much, but no not necessarily like that in this game, try to fully understand the game first
emh: just took a shower. a good heuristic is to wash the dirty areas more
Astrobytes: A wise decision.
MSmits: I feel dirtier reading that than when I saw your csb modification
Astrobytes: :rofl:
StevenV: csb
MSmits: mad pod racing
emh: hehe
StevenV: where is antiwonto?
MSmits: he changed the pods for another thing starting with p
StevenV: ah
Astrobytes: Pandas
MSmits: naturally
StevenV: is the bot still there, let me check
struct: :taco: Automaton2000
MSmits: he doesnt want to get banned for it
Automaton2000: and i forgot to change it
MSmits: might be copyright infringement, not sure he used his own p
Astrobytes: :D
emh: what's wrong with pandas eating eucalyptus?
MSmits: nothing, it's cute
emh: see. you have nothing to worry about
MSmits: true
eulerscheZahl: if it's his P, it surely isn't his V
StevenV: panda won't eat eucalyptus
struct: I dont think thats true
MSmits: are you objecting over realism StevenV?
struct: There are a lot of eucalyptus in portugal but no pandas
struct: I think its related
MSmits: solid proof
eulerscheZahl: because you have a panda-repelling stone
StevenV: haha
eulerscheZahl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm2W0sq9ddU&ab_channel=notesonvirginia
MSmits: oh, did not get that reference
MSmits: I must be too young
MSmits: it's a good rock to have though
MSmits: it rocks
StevenV: I just realize that the card in hand got discarded at the end of the turn :D
MSmits: milestone reached
StevenV: haha
Astrobytes: Pandas eat bamboo
StevenV: yup
MSmits: hey, so if you accidentally play daily prio, you can now crash your bot by only providing one index on the move command?
emh: ahh so it's Koalas
emh: who eat eucalyptus
Astrobytes: Yes.
Astrobytes: And koalas are not bears.
emh: bear with me I'm not a zoologist
MSmits: koala bears are not bears?
Astrobytes: But pandas are.
Astrobytes: Giant pandas at least.
Astrobytes: MSmits: no they're marsupials
MSmits: o
MSmits: I just googled the :poop: out of marsupials
emh: I need a koala to optimize my mars lander
StevenV: same
Astrobytes: marsupials = think pouches for carrying young
Astrobytes: kangaroos etc
MSmits: yeah it's ok Astrobytes your job is done. google is handling the follow up
MSmits: :)
Astrobytes: OK. Test on Monday, 9am sharp
MSmits: got it
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: I'm mostly submitting for detecting crashes/bugs
struct: gets rank 1
MSmits: heh not possible, i am only simming the last turn
StevenV: ___
MSmits: doing the simplest possible heuristics for other turns
StevenV: I am a Java dev, so ...
StevenV: sim algorithm is far
MSmits: far?
emh: I'm not a Java dev, but I'm doing GC in Java because of the good starter bot
Astrobytes: out of reach I think MSmits
MSmits: ohh
StevenV: too far for me to get the algorithm work good enough
struct: I'm not a dev so I use C++
Astrobytes: LOL emh
Astrobytes: same struct. C++: the language of non-devs
StevenV: I used the starter bot for Java for the 1st day, and well the bot won't even compile
StevenV: wasn't
Astrobytes: they fixed that I think StevenV
StevenV: yeah
emh: one of my friends likened malloc to Molloch, the demon
Astrobytes: :rofl:
struct: Is there any way to give tech debt to opponent?
MSmits: never used malloc
MSmits: struct not directly
eulerscheZahl: so you are more of a calloc type of person?
MSmits: but you can block desks so he has to skip over you and pass admin desk
MSmits: i havent used any allocs
struct: I see, thanks
MSmits: i just use fixed arrays for everything
Astrobytes: I suppose memset is Memnoch then
emh: I coded a kd-tree to lookup in freedb once. I think I used malloc there
struct: brb
emh: Astrobytes lol
Astrobytes: :grin:
emh: Astrobytes do you like Ardbeg?
Astrobytes: The single malt?
emh: yes
emh: I have one in the closet. it's smoky as hell
Astrobytes: Yes I do. More of a Talisker guy but I really dig most of the Islays
emh: nice
emh: I haven't tried Talisker
Astrobytes: Yeah the peatier and smokier they are the better, imo
Astrobytes: I've been to the Talisker distillery on Skye, beautiful round there
emh: cool
Astrobytes: and they served 16-18 year old Talisker in the pub: very very nice
emh: have you seen "richard patterson how to drink whisky" on youtube?
emh: it's entertaining
Astrobytes: no I have not
Astrobytes: Noted for later watching
emh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frRonhQdRdQ
Astrobytes: thanks!
Astrobytes: I like him already :D
Michael_Howard: Is the number of cards left on a desk given somewhere or do you just count who was where on a MOVE gamePhase?
MSmits: hmm, say you dont have daily prio > 0, can you still use move 3 3
MSmits: Michael_Howard no it's not given, you need to calculate
Michael_Howard: Thanks.
MSmits: yay it works
MSmits: MOVE 7 7 😀
MSmits: with no daily prio. You can still specify the desk you want to take it from
struct: it works before it thinks its a player message
struct: it works becasue*
MSmits: mmh
MSmits: I guess
Mathieu_Hidalf: z
Mathieu_Hidalf: z
Mathieu_Hidalf: z
struct: dont spam
StevenV: no daily prio, you can output move 7 6 and it still work
struct: ofc it works
struct: Working as intended
StevenV: and 6 is player message in this case
therealbeef: just like move 7 42
MSmits: well i am just going to assume the referee is smart enough to understand i want to move to desk 7 and get a card from desk 7 :P
struct: It should work yes
struct: or you can just check if a == b
struct: when you output
MSmits: yeah i guess
MSmits: but i am lazy
Chinmay_1729: hey guys
struct: hi
MSmits: hey
MSmits: allright, i am going to try to sim the training card... this is going to be painful
struct: Everything is painfull
MSmits: you mean this whole game
MSmits: ?
MSmits: or is this your general outlook on life?
struct: The worst part is move, to throw, to give to apply action
struct: Both
MSmits: thats all parts except release
kovi: the flow is just messy
emh: poor simmers. my sympathies
MSmits: simpathies
emh: hehe. the last game I remember simming was Fantastic Bits. a lot of work
aCat: :-)
MSmits: it is , but this one is especially difficult because of the random element
struct: Im just gonna use the bot I made for backgammon
aCat: yeah random inside your actions is painful
emh: lucky you struct writing reusable code
struct: emh the joke is that my backgammon bot is cout << "random\n";
struct: so in theory I have the same bot
aCat: but its not that cpp is fast enough to do some expect here?
emh: ohh hehe
aCat: random sims or test expected values
struct: I have an idea of what search to use
struct: If it will work or not, I have no idea
struct: I never really played game with rng elements like this
MSmits: locam had this, but people just ignored the rng
MSmits: you could get away with that
MSmits: in this game you cant because of the train and coding mostly
struct: Could you draw cards during your turn on locam?
struct: ah ok
struct: You type too fast MSmits
MSmits: people only simmed their own turn on locam and maybe the opponent turn while ignoring their hand
MSmits: but noone simmed a second turn
kovi: afaik there was no time for that
MSmits: actually there was, most turns took 1 ms to sim
MSmits: but too much unknown
struct: There was plenty of time, you had 30 days :p
MSmits: that too
emh: lol what happened I'm numero uno
struct: grats
emh: thanks to 9 wins in a row against Zach-Leee
emh: thank you struct
JamesWrank: Anyone to help me out a little at the first Mad Pod Race ? Not sure why my ship isnt moving I just added a simple condition :(
JamesWrank: if x == next_checkpoint_x: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/e326e6bc-34cc-4731-818a-9e2ab49e085a
struct: sure
struct: print(str(next_checkpoint_x) + " " + str(next_checkpoint_y) + " 50")
struct: you always need to print x y and thrust
JamesWrank: Ooh alright
struct: the first if and elif make you output illegal actions
JamesWrank: So i'm not sure how to make it move straight then ^^
struct: Ok so try removing the part that you pasted
jacek: you can reset to default code and then fix the y y thing
struct: Yeah
struct: do what jacek said
struct: should be easier
struct: Reset is on top right of ide
jacek: "do what jacek said" - struct
jacek: always trust jacek
JamesWrank: Alright I listen to jacek ^^
MSmits: do what jacek is almost always a good idea except when it isn't
MSmits: 60% of the time it works every time
PatrickMcGinnisII: ctrl+Z, love good undo
JamesWrank: So the fix here is just in the output line ? Don't need any condition ?
struct: yeah for first league you should only fix the output
emh: I should make instructional videos for csb newbies. pay to view. point of view
JamesWrank: Alright that's a hint! thanks guys <3
aCat: is there a difference between played and discard?
struct: yes
struct: because discard pile can still be shuffled to the draw pile
struct: during your plays
struct: abut the played cards cant
struct: but*
aCat: yuu sure?
struct: 50%
aCat: so if I do training lot of times
aCat: hahaha
aCat: not what I expected
struct: if you do training a lot of times they all go into played cards
aCat: yeah but you should draw more
struct: you still do
struct: but you cant draw the played cards
struct: That were played between move and release
struct: of that turn
aCat: so if i empty my discard, more trainings wil not draw from played?
China-xyh: Does anyone here would like to play a Clash of Code?
struct: Correct aCat
China-xyh: #clash
JamesWrank: -Oh my god
struct: played go into discard after release I guess
JamesWrank: I didnt see there was 2 y in the output
JamesWrank: That was so simple I overcomplicated it so much :D
struct: np
~Gambit~: can someone help me (green cirlce). With continous_integration skill i can automate one card, can't I automate continous_integration card type
struct: you can
struct: but you need to have 2 in hand
kovi: and automation is only for release
struct: ^
~Gambit~: yeah i'm trying keep one in automation. I'm getting a error. i only have 2 card
therealbeef: so you also cannot task prioritize itself back to the board?
PatrickMcGinnisII: This event is confusing, some phases only happen if u have a training card in hand?
eulerscheZahl: skill card in general
[SG]Sebastien: phases only happen if you have a decision to make
PatrickMcGinnisII: or a release is available... but could drop a ton of debt on you if u don't wait
PatrickMcGinnisII: so wierd
eulerscheZahl: oh, Sebastien is here. i have an annotation to make
eulerscheZahl: frame 26
https://www.codingame.com/replay/642283199
getting a bonus for a skill card. this should not be possible according to list of possible inputs provided but the game allows it
TASK_PRIORITIZATION 7 8
struct: Was the game crashing reported Sebastien?
eulerscheZahl: right, the crash...
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642295674
struct: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/bd0d6f70-6b4e-4a14-a789-be54e11885d1
struct: damn its not even possible to get the seed to reproduce
eulerscheZahl: referee crashed before serializing those info
struct: but you can get this info though
struct: ;)
eulerscheZahl: ?
eulerscheZahl: how?
PatrickMcGinnisII: Nice Spliterator
struct: maybe not the seed
struct: but the error you can
JohnyDaison: Is the bug with Task Prio and CI fixed already or not?
eulerscheZahl: i copied the replay link from Sheeesh---
eulerscheZahl: do you mean find the bug from stacktrace?
struct: yes
struct: its given in replay
struct: But yeah seed seems impossible to get now
Sraiti: here we go again
struct: maybe Sheeesh--- can reproduce it and share another replay with the seed to make it easier for you
[SG]Sebastien: JohnyDaison : it was fixed yesterday evening
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm so confused. How can i calculate the technical debt received from a release? Where's the shoddy count for a Hand card?
emh: phew I survived the Paroni attack :)
emh: I'm just sitting here like a guard dog watching my position
Paroni: :P I think I made my bot worse by fixing it :D
Sheeesh---: i actually changed a lot from my code
emh: hehe. classic
Sheeesh---: can't reproduce it anymore
[SG]Sebastien: for your hand, your shoddy skill available = 1*BonusCount + 2*SkillCount. But you do not use all of them (you only use enough to replace the missing skills
struct: But you submitted to the arena right?
struct: it should be in history Sheeesh---
[SG]Sebastien: eulerscheZahl: indeed, a TASK_PRIORITIZATION 7 8 was not planned
Sheeesh---: there are 3 code that are 4 hours ago dunno which one
struct: ah ok
struct: Will it be fixed Sebastien?
eulerscheZahl: it was planned, check the source code. you even handle that case specifically
eulerscheZahl: there was also another thing that confused me in the code. let's see if i find it again
eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/societe-generale/GreenCircle/blob/62fb2c43108c1dd7d7fd2da8041f43567be36774/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Game.java#L435
[SG]Sebastien: well, in that case, let's say this a feature and not a bug ;)
eulerscheZahl: why do we possibly take a new card after giving one?
ToshiTuringMachine: PatrickMcGinnisII I also don't understand how to calculate technical debt
eulerscheZahl: surprise reward for disturbing
eulerscheZahl: note: i didn't see it happen in a replay, just stumbled over it in the code
[SG]Sebastien: you move, if needed you throw, if needed you give, and only after all that, you take the card from the desk in which you arrive
PatrickMcGinnisII: tx seb, i think...still confused...I guess I take the release requirements and multiply by 2, and subtract 1 for every bonus card I have that can be used?
eulerscheZahl: aah
eulerscheZahl: somehow i thought that would be an extra function. not the clearest naming ;)
eulerscheZahl: giveCardAndDrawOne()
[SG]Sebastien: oh sorry. I did try to have good names, but I did not always succeed
Zylo: emh: I move you to the first place ;-)
emh: yes hehe thank you
ToshiTuringMachine: was the infinite loop solved?
[SG]Sebastien: yes
[SG]Sebastien: no more infinite loop
eulerscheZahl: hm, then my code might handle things in the wrong sequence. i allow to give a card i just took :(
[SG]Sebastien: this is not good
jacek: :neutral_face:
MSmits: eulerscheZahl I have a Move->Throw->Give->Gain order of functions
MSmits: Gain is like an artificial phase for me
[SG]Sebastien: this is better
eulerscheZahl: i think i'll move the pickup part before the play
eulerscheZahl: refactoring incoming
eulerscheZahl: i mean: 7
MSmits: :)
kovi: yep, i have a similar internal flow
therealbeef: you can even throw a card to the location you're moving to and pick it up again
MSmits: nice
MSmits: reverse boomerang
PatrickMcGinnisII: omg, so now we are playing Freecell
tobk: Example output shows "TASK_PRIORITIZATION 8 2" and "GIVE 8", but those would actually be illegal, since 8 = Bonus Card, right?
MSmits: no
MSmits: you can give and gain bonus cards with task prio
MSmits: even though the gaining of bonus cards does not show up in the allowed moves list
MSmits: so 8 7 is possible and 7 8 also
tobk: Okay... thought the bold "skill" in all the description is to emphasize that distinction, but good to know then.
eulerscheZahl: i think i saw some players move to the admin office to avoid the technical debt penalty. is this a thing or did i get confused watching?
MSmits: hey, if you have 2 plays left and your first play is given as "WAIT", do you still get the second?
MSmits: confused i think
eulerscheZahl: oh, ok
MSmits: i dont know how you'd even move there
MSmits: it has no index
eulerscheZahl: then i can delete some of my code again
MSmits: you are as slow as I am this contest
struct: cant be slower than me
struct: I probably will have something ready by the time gold opens
MSmits: well you produced more lines of code in the same amount of time struct
eulerscheZahl: somehow i struggle to motivate myself
MSmits: ahh i have no struggle this time, last time i dropped out without trying though
MSmits: I'm just slow because its a lot of work
struct: yeah
struct: Its a lot of work to get a sim
MSmits: ye
eulerscheZahl: in the end i always have the goal to reach legend. keeping up with traditions
jacek: darn who would have thought String.format() is so expensive
MSmits: that's my goal too
MSmits: well my realistic goal
eulerscheZahl: at least i just finished a 161 frames match without crashing. that is producing valid actions and picking one at random
MSmits: grats
eulerscheZahl: now onto comparing outcomes with actual gamestate
eulerscheZahl: will surely uncover some bugs
jacek: valid_actions = ["RANDOM"]?
eulerscheZahl: everything but "RANDOM"
struct: So I have the same thing that euler has
struct: the move gen
eulerscheZahl: in theory i can also predict the outcome of my moves
[SG]Sebastien: eulerscheZahl: you move to the admin office for the THROW phase. It is only a small break in the move pahse
struct: Well I can do that but its bugged
eulerscheZahl: ah, bonus frame in the replay
PatrickMcGinnisII: ok, we don't know what cards opponent has in his hand, but we can speculate
PatrickMcGinnisII: someone code_review my lawn mower
jacek: reject
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm seeing that bonus cards are finite
struct: yes 36
ToshiTuringMachine: if i have x cards in draw pile, and must draw y cards, how many possible combinations are there?
Is that the superset?
ToshiTuringMachine: i should have studied more at univ
ToshiTuringMachine: instead of playing prince of persia
PatrickMcGinnisII: where does the bonus skill card come from if a desk is empty? how many are there?
struct: It comes from the middle pile
struct: it has 36 cards - the number of bonus players have
MSmits: have, meaning in hand/draw/discard
MSmits: they cant be in playable afaik
MSmits: played
MSmits: oh... i need to track plays too. This is another complication
MSmits: especially if you chain training/coding cards
struct: its not too bad I think
struct: Maybe it is
MSmits: no single thing is bad, it's the combination :)
PatrickMcGinnisII: ahh ok, working out the maths...I thought there were only 5 extra bonus cards. So at game start I'm seeing 4 bonus in each players possession, 28 bonus in middle, and then 5 skill cards at each desk
struct: I havent reached that part yet
struct: yes patrick each desk as 5 skill cards
struct: when it runs out of skills it starts giving bonus instead
MSmits: which is not necessarily worse
struct: The only downside is that they dont have skills
PatrickMcGinnisII: it was the bonus cards that were killing me, since they reduce the need to collect technical debt. I assummed the race at beginning of game would be to collect the 'rare' bonus cards. I'm seeing a bunch of random games going 200 turns...where bonus cards are all gone
MSmits: a lot of games that last 200 turns are just played by bad bots
MSmits: try look at the top 50 games
PatrickMcGinnisII: i know my observations are newb. sry. So far I'm not seeing anything super difficult, just trying to wrap my head around it. The first day, I had to walk away. heh.
MSmits: yeah no worries, we are all newb
struct: So let's say I have in hand [2, 1, 0...]
struct: so only 3 cards
struct: and I go through admin
struct: If I choose to throw card [1]
struct: do I still need to throw another?
struct: or the referee does it alone?
therealbeef: i think the referee takes over if you have only 1 possible to throw or all throwable cards are of the same type
MSmits: yeah so if you have only 2, there is no throwphase turn for you
MSmits: if you have 3, you need to do both phases
MSmits: because after throwing 1, there are 2 left
MSmits: so there's a choice
MSmits: (both times)
struct: but what if those 2 are the same type?
struct: after throwing the 1st one
MSmits: i did not check, but i doubt the referee is smart enough to deal with it
MSmits: it should not matter for your bot anyways
struct: I guess its not very importantt
struct: yeah
MSmits: in that case, if you have 5 cards of the same type, it should skip also
struct: yeah
MSmits: or if you have 4 TD cards, and 2 other
MSmits: i actually think it does skip that
RIT: when you release an application, do the cards you used to release it go back into your discard pile?
RIT: and same question for when you use skills?
MSmits: When you release an application, your permanent skills are discarded.
struct: and the cards in hand are also discarded
MSmits: when you use a skill it is also discarded, but it goes in the played cards pile first, to prevent you using the same card two times in a turn
MSmits: (infinite training loop)
RIT: By "discarded" are they deleted from the game or do they go to my discard pile to be reshuffled into my draw pile eventually?
struct: after release phase all cards in hand are discarded
MSmits: nothing is ever deleted
struct: doesnt matter if you used them or not
RIT: oh ok
StevenV: even if you don't release, cards still get discarded
MSmits: which is the main reason those if bots are so strong currently. Not playing cards is a major waste. They are discarded anyway. But simmed bots that play cards are still being worked on
StevenV: which bots are so strong?
StevenV: you mean the boss 1, 2?
struct: to answer my question
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642361842
struct: Frame 70
struct: I discard 4 and I have 2 cards of same type
struct: the referee doesnt handle it
MSmits: the top bots in bronze StevenV
StevenV: ok
MSmits: right struct, so you need to do work there
struct: this is not very green
StevenV: 2 cards of same type?
StevenV: what is the problem?
struct: There is no problem
struct: It could just auto discard one
struct: since I dont really have an option
struct: its a forced move
StevenV: you mean frame 72 where you give a card and throw 1 card?
MSmits: no he throws 2 cards, but there is only one way to do that
MSmits: because 2 of the 3 available are identical
MSmits: so the referee could have just done it for him
StevenV: 2 / 3, so he could throw 2 type of cards
StevenV: or 1 type of cards
MSmits: no
MSmits: actually yeah
StevenV: I mean he could throw 1 card type A and 1 type B
StevenV: yup
StevenV: so the referee is correct
MSmits: no
struct: but after I threw the first
MSmits: the 2nd was 2 bonus cards
struct: the reamining one s are of the same time
struct: type*
struct: ...
StevenV: no
struct: my typing
struct: yes it is
StevenV: after the first
StevenV: there are only 1 throw
StevenV: the other are GIVE
struct: no
struct: Input actions: 2
THROW 4
THROW 8
struct: Input actions: 1
THROW 8
struct: Input actions: 2
WAIT
ARCHITECTURE_STUDY
struct: There is not even give
struct: because it gives the only card I have
MSmits: so there were 2 throw turns
struct: yes
MSmits: and one of the throw turns there was 1 option
StevenV: how can 2 throw turn?
MSmits: btw StevenV we are not saying the referee is wrong, it's just less efficient
struct: Yeah
StevenV: no
MSmits: you need to throw 2 cards
MSmits: at admin desk
StevenV: What I see is 2 throw and 1 give
MSmits: that's correct, in the viewer that happened
StevenV: I see from frame 70 to 72
MSmits: but that doesnt mean the bot got a turn
MSmits: he didnt get a give turn, because there was 1 card
MSmits: but he did get 2 throw turns
MSmits: but the second throw turn there was no choice to be made
MSmits: so he should not have gotten it
MSmits: just like the give turn
StevenV: 2 throw turn = 4 cards?
MSmits: no, 1 card each
MSmits: throw is actually 2 separate phases
StevenV: I know
MSmits: so 2 cards
struct: When you can throw you always get 2 throws
StevenV: what I see is you got near opponent right?
struct: yes
StevenV: so there is 1 give
struct: The give is automated by the referee
MSmits: but he also passed admin first
struct: since I only have 1 bonus card in hand
struct: Its a bit confusing
StevenV: you mean the 2nd thrown isn't automated right?
MSmits: it isn't, but it could have been
MSmits: if they coded it that way
MSmits: since there is no choice to be made
StevenV: all I see in the replay is "random" :(
MSmits: yeah that is structs output unfortunately
StevenV: Maybe I see it wrong with automated
MSmits: lazy struct
Washier: hehe
ToshiTuringMachine: if discard pile is empty you don't receive it from inputs?
struct: no idea, probably not
struct: same for played cards
StevenV: and automated cards too
ToshiTuringMachine: oh yes seems so. gotta update to all zeroes when not received a deck
MSmits: memset (0)
jacek: memeset
MSmits: thanks btw, i just did that
struct: = 0
Harsh_Chourasiya: Hey
DeadlyTokyo: hi
Lisa-Has-Ideas: Hey all -- I have a pending classic puzzle that is really good, (fun and educational) but just not getting any love. it has a few upvotes but no comments or Approvals. If anyone is bored, please check it out. Any feedback (good or bad) is appreciated, but of course "Approval " is the goal :)
Lisa-Has-Ideas: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/182986ce43712d2b4e105ac72cacc96208e53
StevenV: many are busy with the challenge, I guess :wink:
MSmits: Lisa-Has-Ideas these next 9 days people are very busy playing the contest. You might have better luck after that.
MSmits: I am non-stop coding personally
jacek: everyone busy with backgammon
Lisa-Has-Ideas: (Thanks)
struct: I dont understand why my draw pile is empty if I have cards in the discard pile
therealbeef: i think it only refreshes the draw pile when it needs to draw
struct: so if I use training and have cards in the discard pile and no cards in the draw pile it will refresh?
MSmits: yeah
struct: ty
MSmits: just not from your played cards pile
struct: yeah
struct: ty again
struct: I can only imagine how hard could it be to write a statement for this game
MSmits: me too
jacek: easier than for backgammon?
struct: I think backgammon is on par with sim difficulty
jacek: many edge cases?
struct: yes
struct: If you can play all the dices you must play all, if you can only play 1 dice you must play the highest one, its not too bad
struct: My referee doesnt know this though
struct: Since I wrote the referee without reading the rules...
jacek: artistic freedom
Donotalo: are desk-0 and desk-7 adjacent?
aangairbender: yes
struct: yes
Donotalo: can i move from desk-N to desk-N in next move phase?
kovi: contest is not in cgstats yet?
aangairbender: Donotalo you can't
MSmits: Donotalo you cant stay at your desk
Donotalo: hmm, thanks
struct: Magus decided to go green and save the servers
eulerscheZahl: hey jacek, ille told me you are NNing the contest. really?
eulerscheZahl: kovi you can add it by tampering with the URL
jacek: :zipper_mouth:
eulerscheZahl: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/green-circle/eulerscheZahl
kovi: cool, thx eulerscheZahl
struct: jacek already hiding his bot
eulerscheZahl: where was he before?
MSmits: 30-40th
MSmits: last time i saw
eulerscheZahl: oh, not bad
MSmits: so he made a reasonable heuristic bot
eulerscheZahl: didn't really check the leaderboard yet
struct: You misspelled NN
jacek: and how would you NN this game
eulerscheZahl: got my sim somewhat working and submitted a bot with the most basic eval
MSmits: how well is it working?
struct: jacek dont ask me, I cant even NN hexapawn
eulerscheZahl: that's what confuses me. not the usual board game but a hell of a mess
eulerscheZahl: 73rd right now, MSmits
eulerscheZahl: you can have my scoring:
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3687f59c-9554-4463-a240-a781125ac068
MSmits: nice
struct: just read recurse pm after the contest, maybe he will show you
MSmits: you score this at the end of your turn i assume
kovi: copied my eval :)
eulerscheZahl: yes, after RELEASE phase
struct: random search?
MSmits: yeah i am doing the same thing, but currently only for winchecking the final app
eulerscheZahl: brute force, everything
MSmits: me too
eulerscheZahl: only 1 turn so it's doable
eulerscheZahl: "turn"
kovi: yes, for 1 turn it works
MSmits: it's probably not doable for chaintraining/coding with a large draw pile
kovi: the problem is how it can get strategy
eulerscheZahl: you need long-term thinking, which will be a pain
kovi: (evolving eval)
kovi: yes
MSmits: isn't it always
eulerscheZahl: still not sure how to tackle this game
MSmits: well you solved part of it
MSmits: i think your way is correct
jacek: ez. the same way you'd tackle magic the gathering [solved]
eulerscheZahl: it's just boilerplate code, nothing solved yet
struct: Im not sure my bot can calculate all the states
MSmits: it should be able to if you only play 1 train or code card
eulerscheZahl: maybe i time out in some edge cases, no idea
eulerscheZahl: i can possibly do more trainings
MSmits: it depends heavily on the size of your deck
struct: if you have daily routine and architecture it can be problematic I think
MSmits: daily routine doesn't explode that much, it's mostly training cards that do
eulerscheZahl: we will see
MSmits: daily routine adds maybe a factor of 3 or so, maybe 5
eulerscheZahl: but not today anymore, i achieved my goal of the day
MSmits: you achieved my goal of the day too
MSmits: but i sleep later, so...
eulerscheZahl: was 380-ish before. now i'm ready for silver
MSmits: seems like it
struct: I hope I have something ready before silver
struct: lol
jacek: silver 20 jun
eulerscheZahl: monday
jacek: you can delete 3 accounts before that
struct: I see you are optimistic jacek
struct: only 3?
jacek: how many alts do you have
struct: lost count
eulerscheZahl: nulte
eulerscheZahl: tobou
eulerscheZahl: struct II
struct III
struct: lol
jacek: Automaton2000 how many are there
Automaton2000: but its still the same
Astrobytes: class, enum, namespace
struct: stop pinging me Astrobytes
struct: :p
Astrobytes: :rofl:
struct: So on Task Prio I first take the card and then place mine on the board?
struct: Its what I understand from the referee
struct: but the statement says the reverse
struct: :confused:
MSmits: how so?
KinaKhongs: Hey, did you have any hint as to how I can improve my code in green_circle, i'm trying to figure if some MTCS can do the job, but i can't even implement it haha
MSmits: if you havent ever done a succesful mcts, really dont try it here
MSmits: it's sooooo much harder
MSmits: try it on a simple boardgame first
jacek: and simple mcts wot probably work here
struct: MSmits like do you place the removed card first on the board?
KinaKhongs: Ok x), i will just do some basic simulation every turn then
struct: or do you take the card first from the board
struct: and the place yours on the board
MSmits: why does that matter?
struct: Because if the room was empty
struct: and you place the card
struct: you can take it again
struct: but if it was empty and you take first than thats not what happens
MSmits: i dont even consider desks that are empty, if i want a bonus card i'll just take it from the pile
struct: yeah Ill probably will ignore them after too
emh: I felt between sleeping and coding, so decided to make myself a dark and stormy. but too bad I accidentally bought _lite_ ginger beer. hate unnatural sweeteners
therealbeef: struct: throws are processed before pickups
struct: Thanks therealbeef
therealbeef: so you can 'throw' a card to yourself
therealbeef: though i don't really see the need
Astrobytes: emh: dark & stormy is THE drink :D
I agree on the sweeteners :/
struct: https://github.com/societe-generale/GreenCircle/blob/62fb2c43108c1dd7d7fd2da8041f43567be36774/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Game.java#L275
struct: I think not therealbeef
struct: The thrown is only added after cardTaken
therealbeef: oh i thought you meant throwing and pickup from new location
struct: ah like on move
therealbeef: i think you're right about the prio
therealbeef: yes
Zandy156: has the challenge changed like bug fixes since Thursday?
struct: yes
struct: Played cards do not go to the discard pile anymore
struct: they go into a player cards pile
struct: and only after release those cards will go back into discard pile
struct: release or end of turn
Zandy156: that doesn't affect wood 2 league though I guess?
struct: I think it does
struct: not sure
Zandy156: there's only move and release phases in bottom league from what I could tell
struct: oh so shouldnt affet
struct: affect*
Zandy156: before I was having an issue with my output for release phase being registered before my move phase
Zandy156: but either whatever I changed fixed it, or something with the challenge was causing the issue
tobk: Why isn't the event put back into "last activities" after testing or even submitting? it's just pushed away be recent puzzles and you have to do three clicks to get back to it. :weary:
Astrobytes: yeah it's annoying tobk, I saved the link as a bookmark instead
eulerscheZahl: CTRL+D
eulerscheZahl: same idea
Astrobytes: but I was faster eh :D
**eulerscheZahl slaps Astrobytes around a bit with a large fishbot
eulerscheZahl: stupid me wrote STRG first and had to delete
struct: I didnt even notice it was so many clicks
struct: maybe i need to close the ide more often
Astrobytes: lol euler
eulerscheZahl: do you even turn off your computer over night?
struct: yes
Astrobytes: I do unless I'm downloading or installing something or maintenance etc
eulerscheZahl: in a timeframe what i would call night?
Astrobytes: struct gets his sleep, he just gets it very late
struct: I have a lots of problem falling asleep
emh: I never turn off computers
struct: even worse when I go to bed right after coding
jacek: ill turn off computer once i quit vim
emh: well.. sometimes I close the lid of my laptop, I don't know what its response is
Crosility: I turn off my computer, I just never close tabs I use constantly.
struct: When I was coding my breakthrough bot I couldn't fall asleep
jacek: :no_mouth:
emh: I'm watching quiteLola on twitch. done with coding for the day
eulerscheZahl: we need a sleepthrough multi
emh: same same struct I often have problems sleeping after coding
PatrickMcGinnisII: Screensaver is an awesome nightlight
Astrobytes: I have an ext HD that blinks all night and illuminates the room unless I remember to cover it or can turn off
emh: I have a ghost pacman which can serve as a nightlight
emh: it was a present
emh: it also has disco mode
Astrobytes: though in the summer when I go to bed it's usually getting light, only about an hour or 2 of actual dark
MSmits: 2 ??
PatrickMcGinnisII: I have coindrop sound setup when I get online purchases ... better than rain sounds to help with sleep. I'm hald deaf, so yes I can hear the darn CG notifications from anywhere in the house...smh
struct: it happens if you go to bed at 4 am
MSmits: how far north art you
MSmits: are you, not art thou, was not trying to be classical
Astrobytes: :D
emh: usually I have a fan blowing wind on me while I am sleeping. especially if I am overheated by alcohol
Astrobytes: Central scotland isn't that far north but it's still only an hour or 2, worse in Sweden
MSmits: you're supposed to drink it, not burn it
Astrobytes: :rofl:
emh: burn the calories
emh: I'm 140 kg
PatrickMcGinnisII: em=electronic music
emh: should update my profile picture to a chubby cute one instead of menacing haha
eulerscheZahl: E=m c²
MSmits: ahh, should get one of those bicycle thingies i have behind me. Turn on netflix, half an hour of cycling and back to coding
MSmits: efficient
emh: ohh I know that equation, it means you burn square the energy when coding much c
Astrobytes: lol
MSmits: correct
PatrickMcGinnisII: ℏ
jacek: e^pi - pi
PatrickMcGinnisII: I know what that means... "Keep your hands above the equator"
PatrickMcGinnisII: :raised_hands:
therealbeef: 140? woah, your avatar looks like agent 47, emh
emh: hehe. thanks
therealbeef: drinking and coding just go so well together
emh: there's the xkcd graph showing the relation
Astrobytes: Ballmer peak
therealbeef: this morning i woke up and looked at my bot code and didnt remember writing it, but it was good code
Astrobytes: I'm like that even if I wrote it sober :D
emh: therealbeef did you get a deja vu at least?
MSmits: I am always sober and always think my code is crap
MSmits: maybe i should drink
emh: should I change my profile pic to this https://emh.lart.no/publish/phatman.jpg ?
Astrobytes: lol MSmits
jacek: “If an important decision is to be made, they [the Persians] discuss the question when they are drunk, and the following day the master of the house where the discussion was held submits their decision for reconsideration when they are sober. If they still approve it, it is adopted; if not, it is abandoned."
Astrobytes: If you want emh, we're not judging, well I'm not anyway
emh: nahh I prefer my younger self. it puts terror into the hearts of my opponents
Scarfield: xD
Scarfield: there is always the cat avatar option
Scarfield: all the cool kids has one
Astrobytes: I look like a metal hippie
emh: I don't have a cat though. it would be hypocritical
emh: Astrobytes really? do you get all the girls?
Astrobytes: not made of metal, metal as in the music
Scarfield: xD
emh: I had a metal rock star looking guy visiting me and random girls walked up to him and kissed him in the bar
emh: then he wanted to borrow my bed when he took the girl home. alas I couldn't agree with his proposition
Scarfield: from now on i will picture you as a terminater
Astrobytes: only hippie chicks from Europe tbh
Astrobytes: lol emh, that seldom happens to me
emh: seldom is better than never
MSmits: “ Code with me if you want to live.”
emh: hehehe
PatrickMcGinnisII: I need to learn korean or mandarin, these subtitles r killing me
Astrobytes: well, these days it never happens tbh
Scarfield: xD smits
Astrobytes: :rofl:
emh: I'm 37. I'm in my prime
MSmits: indeed
MSmits: that is a prime number
emh: you got it
Astrobytes: hah
emh: the best ages are power of two though
Scarfield: im 32 :muscle:
PatrickMcGinnisII: My dad turned 74 yesterday and gets more cat than i do. :cry:
emh: nice. enjoy
Astrobytes: 1 year til my next prime
MSmits: more cat?
Astrobytes: fking 40 this year
PatrickMcGinnisII: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Astrobytes: read between the lines MSmits
emh: hope I will reach the age of an 128-bit SSE instruction. not really. I'm content with x64
MSmits: what do you do with your pets over there PatrickMcGinnisII, do i want to know
emh: we recycle polyethylenes here
Astrobytes: I figure the less time I have to spend being old on this godforsaken planet the better. 64-76 suits me fine
therealbeef: 2 more months until the answer to live the universe and everything
therealbeef: life
Astrobytes: we *make* polyethylene in my town emh
emh: but I'm really rooting for AGI. want to live to see it
emh: Astrobytes ohh you make my Turkish pepper bottles then haha
PatrickMcGinnisII: How r coders gonna fix the next great depression? And who is gonna deliver our pizzas?
Astrobytes: Ineos. They make most of the shit that fks up the planet :D
antiwonto: [auto] Astrobytes be respectful and watch your language
https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
Astrobytes: oh, sorry for my filthy language
PatrickMcGinnisII: ahh :taco: time
StevenV: csb
MSmits: lol
antiwonto: [auto] 'CSB' was defined as ' Coders Strikes Back (aka Mad Pod Racing) '
StevenV: coc
therealbeef: what does Ineos actually do? only know them from cycling team
emh: PatrickMcGinnisII fixing depression is all about using multiply and add in the same instruction and stay away from subtraction
emh: pizzas will be delivered by drones
struct: are they not delivered in drones where you live?
PatrickMcGinnisII: 3000 cows died of heatstroke in Kansas ... it's beginning
MSmits: summer?
PatrickMcGinnisII: they closed yellowstone due to excessive rain, and cows die in midwest for lack of shade... the world is upside-down
MSmits: I like stranger things
jacek: or it is australia
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'll move to AU, then things will b normal...ok
Astrobytes: therealbeef: chemical manufacturing/processing and PetroIneos does what you might expect, oil refinery. We are lucky enough to have both in my town :|
MSmits: if you move one astronomical unit you'll be in the sun, that's even hotter PatrickMcGinnisII
Astrobytes: lol
MSmits: this astrophysically correct joke was brought to you by...
emh: struct not yet
PatrickMcGinnisII: Now we live in Monty Python movie
emh: a giant foot stomps you
Astrobytes: which one?
Astrobytes: DINSDALE!
Astrobytes: (random Python utterance)
PatrickMcGinnisII: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxRnenQYG7I&t=360s
PatrickMcGinnisII: The Meaning of Life
emh: to eat
emh: and drink
emh: and code
emh: in reverse order
Astrobytes: Yes, that's fair PatrickMcGinnisII
MSmits: I am confused about a replay. On frame 113 I do training. I obviously have more cards to play, yet I release on the next. Why am i not forced to WAIT or play another card.
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642439054
Scarfield: https://youtu.be/A3GZx3tfO6w?t=106
Astrobytes: gets me every time Scarfield :D
PatrickMcGinnisII: MSmits comment about this message brought to you by... reminded me of Monty P for some reason
Astrobytes: "Incontinentia Buttocks" :D
emh: classic
Scarfield: and now for something completely different
Astrobytes: I even get the theme in my head when you say that
MSmits: my replay :)
Scarfield: yea that movie is great :)
Astrobytes: I have no idea MSmits
kovi: MSmits issue already reported
MSmits: oh, what is the issue?
MSmits: it just doesn't give extra plays?
Astrobytes: ^
Astrobytes: ^ meaning "yes, what is the issue"
kovi: there was no official answer of this :weidness"
MSmits: does it always happen? Or sometimes happen?
Astrobytes: must be still looking into it I guess
kovi: for me it seemed too often, but i was lazy to investigate further
MSmits: ok well it is good to know that it got reported
The_Duck: in this replay https://www.codingame.com/replay/642441539 I seem to only draw 3 cards on turn 45, instead of 4. Or rather based on my logging, I think I draw 4, but the BONUS card I draw is invisible? is this a viewer bug?
struct: I saw this bug before with my bot too The_Duck let me see if I can reproduce it
Astrobytes: ah it's The_Duck :)
The_Duck: hi!
Astrobytes: If your logging says that after that you got the card then it must be a visualisation thing
struct: Hand: [0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 1]
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642447371
struct: turn 41 also invisible bonus
emh: New York The_Duck. do you know anyone from Theta Chi fraternity in Boston?
struct: you can reproduce by just printing random
struct: if you want to check
Astrobytes: interesting. I don't pay much attention to the viewer this time around tbh
emh: ohhh lo and behold I'm top dog again thanks for boosting me up hehe I did almost no coding all day
emh: last submit about 8 hours ago
MSmits: grats emh
emh: the trick is to know when you're just gonna eff up your code by doing more
emh: thank you MSmits
MSmits: eulerscheZahl if you are still around. Did you limit your trainings? I time out every time i allow unlimited trainings
Astrobytes: didn't he say he only allowed one or didn't include it?
MSmits: not sure, he said he thought he could handle multiple trainings, but he didnt say his current bot has it
Astrobytes: ah, must be thinking of that
MSmits: I may have a bug though
MSmits: brb
Astrobytes: :)
eulerscheZahl: didn't limit but still have bugs
TobiasA: sorry I don't really understand the game yet. So when you guys say "trainings" does it have something to do with the training skill in the game or NN training?
eulerscheZahl: not generating all move sequences
struct: training skills
Astrobytes: in the game TobiasA
struct: Unless its jacek saying
Astrobytes: :)
TobiasA: oh ok thanks
jacek: training?
MSmits: ahh ok thanks for explaining, i think i have bug, otherwise i dont understand how 3 training cards end up inmy played pile when i only have 1 and 1 in draw
struct: Time to code undoAction
jacek: just copy your states. ezpz
struct: my states are big :/
jacek: thats what she said :smirk:
Astrobytes: Never change jacek, never change
emh: United States of Murica. lol. no
emh: I'm watching a baby shower getting drunk with hot girls on twitch. trash TV?
struct: But you are right ill never code undo move for this game
struct: if coding apply move is hard I cant imagine how hard it will be to undo
Astrobytes: emh: why not just skip to the pr0n?
emh: Astrobytes that's reserved for CSB
Astrobytes: :grin:
jacek: hm?
emh: jacek is it time we invite you to the palace of pleasure?
jacek: eeyup
Murat_Eroglu: Am I the only one who thinks that this contest is more complicated than previous ones?
Astrobytes: No :)
Astrobytes: Not necessarily more *complicated*, more of a confusing, or less understandable :)
Scarfield: and more buggy it seems from chat, i still havent really gotten motivated to try
Astrobytes: some bugs, but that's usual
struct: I think its fun
struct: I havent anything working yet but thats a different story
Astrobytes: I like the game itself
jacek: do you plan to buy it
Astrobytes: No
jacek: :upside_down:
antiwonto: [auto] ':upside_down:' was defined as ' ɥǝllo '
jacek: oh my, dat csb
Arthur_Morgan_RDR2: :apple:
Astrobytes: jacek: :rofl:
Astrobytes: It's certainly 'different' :D
Arthur_Morgan_RDR2: Anyone played Red dead redemption 2 here?
Arthur_Morgan_RDR2: Just completed the game yesterday
Arthur_Morgan_RDR2: Definitely the best game i've ever played
eulerscheZahl: when i use a card for a skill, can't i use it again for release in the same turn?
struct: Heard about it never played it
struct: Dont think so euler
struct: they go into played cards pile
Astrobytes: ^
Astrobytes: at least that's what I understood
struct: But if you get a card from using a skill then you can use it
Astrobytes: yep
struct: At least the canBeReleased function is not checking played cards
struct: So I think what we said is correct
Astrobytes: It's confusing isn't it, but that's what I understood earlier
struct: and my asserts would have triggered by now
Astrobytes: lol, got a bunch of those too :D
Astrobytes: to hell with unit tests, long live assert
eulerscheZahl: fixing bugs improves the rank. at least that early in the contest, before desperation kicks in
Astrobytes: desperation == any sim will do
jacek: what bugs? yours or theirs?
Astrobytes: at this stage possibly a heady mix of both :D
eulerscheZahl: me failing to replicate theirs? :P
Astrobytes: hehehe
emh: jacek was invited into the inner circle, but he's quiet about it
jacek: im training NN for it
emh: ahh right
eulerscheZahl: what inner circle?
jacek: oO
eulerscheZahl: the transparent area inside the green one?
jacek: tell him
FuriousTurtle: For some reason, I have enough cards in my hand to release, I do the output command to release, but the game disqualify me for not having enough card . The cost is 4 daily + 4 refactoring, my hand is 4 bonus cards + 1 task priorization card + 2 coding cards
The rules of this challenge are super confusing
jacek: is it 5th app?
FuriousTurtle: Yes
eulerscheZahl: no shoddy on 5th
struct: cant use shoddy
eulerscheZahl: that would be shady
MSmits: and sloppy
FuriousTurtle: I'm in wood 1, this rule doesn't apply yet right ?
MSmits: it does
eulerscheZahl: it does
jacek: per statement
jacek: but i dont blame you for not believing it
Giyom: no shoddy only apply since bronze not wood
FuriousTurtle: I'm sorry I really don't see it in the rules for some reasons ?
jacek: "The 5th application of each team cannot be released with shoddy skills!". at least in bronze
eulerscheZahl: just trust us in this case
Giyom: yes in bronze but he is on wood league
FuriousTurtle: Also is there a cap on the maximum technical debt you can have ? I see a red gauge but nothing about it in the rules
struct: 100
jacek: its use in tie break
FuriousTurtle: Then this wasn't the issue either, I'm still unable to find out why my application made me disqualified, and it happens a couple of times
struct: are you sure you didnt use shoddy points?
Astrobytes: eulerscheZahl: regarding the earlier emh comment, jacek has now 'experienced' the True CSB
FuriousTurtle: I did use shoddy points but I'm in wood 1 and there's nothing about not using them on the final application
struct: There is
struct: Just maybe not on the statement
struct: But i think it is
FuriousTurtle: Omg nevermind it's in a non-highlighted part
FuriousTurtle: Starting from bronze it's highlighted in technical details through
emh: Astrobytes damn right
eulerscheZahl: did i miss a meme?
eulerscheZahl: aaah, NSFW CSB
MSmits: or it's new name, Mad P**** Racing
MSmits: its
emh: I love it how you're a respectable physics teacher MSmits and you're engaging with my lowlife jokes haha
eulerscheZahl: *Riding
MSmits: yes, well I have to be careful in case students are online :)
TheInvisibleMutant_7f19: if dist_1 == enemy_1:
print(enemy_1)
else:
print(enemy_2)
TheInvisibleMutant_7f19: Help
antiwonto: [auto] 'help' was defined as ' https://how-to-properly-ask-a-question.surge.sh '
jacek: onboarding?
Astrobytes: lol @ eulerscheZahl's "riding" correction :D
struct: if dist_1 < dist_2
TheInvisibleMutant_7f19: thx
jacek: how come youre 3 level if not done onboarding oO
emh: I love boasting to every non-programmer that I'm 139th out of 3 million programmers on codingame. call me vain
emh: of course I don't say how much time I put into it
jacek: Automaton2000 is that right?
Automaton2000: i think the problem is that if you are a mod
emh: Automaton2000 who let the dogs out?
Automaton2000: hi i am new to this site
emh: Automaton2000 you're a liar
Automaton2000: this is where i am
emh: Automaton2000 aren't you ashamed of yourself?
Automaton2000: i already know how to create a private clash
jacek: oh my
emh: Automaton2000 all right have fun with your private clash
Automaton2000: i have a bit of a stretch
emh: Automaton2000 do you need a massage?
Automaton2000: so if i am wrong
Westicles: Whatever happened to wonton? He was modding the hell out of the place for a while
jacek: :taco: Westicles
antiwonto: [auto] jacek has awarded Westicles 7 tacos. Westicles now has 98 taco. jacek now has 8 taco
emh: :taco: jacek
antiwonto: [auto] emh has awarded jacek 3 tacos. jacek now has 11 taco. emh now has 4 taco
struct: he was here just 2 days ago
struct: Maybe he is still reading the statement
Westicles: :taco: BlaiseEbuth
antiwonto: [auto] Spread the love. Give tacos to someone else, not someone you spam with tacos.
Westicles: :taco: jacek
antiwonto: [auto] Westicles has awarded jacek 10 tacos. jacek now has 21 taco. Westicles now has 99 taco
emh: and here I thought it's a give and take. what am I gonna eat for dinner?
eulerscheZahl: you are not French, i'm save
emh: huh?
jacek: omelette du fromage!
emh: now gift it
jacek: :egg:
emh: you gotta break one.. to make an omelette
Astrobytes: :taco: eulerscheZahl
antiwonto: [auto] Astrobytes has awarded eulerscheZahl 10 tacos. eulerscheZahl now has 59 taco. Astrobytes now has 46 taco
Astrobytes: I know you love the tacos
emh: commander taco, wasn't that the editor of slashdot
emh: any relation?
eulerscheZahl: :taco: Astrobytes
antiwonto: [auto] eulerscheZahl has awarded Astrobytes 10 tacos. Astrobytes now has 56 taco. eulerscheZahl now has 50 taco
eulerscheZahl: since when do i lose while giving? meh
jacek: i shook you down in #taco
Astrobytes: I never understand taco bot
eulerscheZahl: bots boring after a while anyways
eulerscheZahl: gets boring
eulerscheZahl: can't type
Westicles: jacek shook you down
Astrobytes: emh: I think you're right, no relation I believe
Astrobytes: Must admit to never ever checking the taco channel
Astrobytes: All this taco stuff is indirectly my fault anyway, so blame me
eulerscheZahl: the comic of blaise is so on point
Astrobytes: it was an instant classic
eulerscheZahl: https://i.imgur.com/GCRAT3B.png
Astrobytes: LOL I never noticed the Westicles part :rofl:
Westicles: user of the month!
emh: hahaha
emh: I want to compliment a girl. I'd say her polygons are so delicately textured
Crosility: Man, I misunderstood the puzzle, and now I have to recreate all my dependency functions :(
Astrobytes: emh: her normals and displacement maps are perfect
struct: Just wait until you find you dont understand the game yet
Crosility: Haha, struct, that's already happened multiple times.
Crosility: Like the current contest. Card Games .. big nope for me.
emh: Astrobytes even better. you've outdone me
Westicles: kafkaesque contest
eulerscheZahl: a colleague once tried to teach me Skat
antiwonto: [auto] hey eulerscheZahl looking for some intro tutorials on programming? This isn't the place probably. Try codecademy.com , 'The Coding Train' on youtube, or first levels in codewars.com
Astrobytes: emh: that's how I get the hippie chicks! (not)
eulerscheZahl: thanks antiwonto, will do
emh: Astrobytes stick to the whiskey
Astrobytes: emh: *whisky
Crosility: Lmao eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: that was when we arrived at the hotel (business trip) and i was already past bed-time
emh: Astrobytes ahh that's right that's how you write it over there
eulerscheZahl: he didn't get it, even after i blatantly told him that i'm about to fall asleep
Astrobytes: Whiskey is either Irish or American
Crosility: antiwonto -1
Astrobytes: lol euler
Remi.: Is it a taco ? (on the picture)
emh: eulerscheZahl what happened on your bed-time?
eulerscheZahl: right, it's about time
eulerscheZahl: not my room is too warm
eulerscheZahl: but my
emh: I'm confused
MSmits: I think this is cool. Maybe I fixed my bug
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642477662
Astrobytes: #metoo
MSmits: on frame 58 it thinks it has a 8% chance to win, then trains, then gets lucky and estimates at 28%, then gets lucky again and wins
Astrobytes: euler, use a fan
Astrobytes: or get a harem and they can fan you
struct: nice MSmits
MSmits: it's just not final move still
eulerscheZahl: i have a fan. but not really colder outside
MSmits: just on
emh: what about the guy that wanted euler at bed time?
eulerscheZahl: just replacing hot air with other hot air and annoying the cat with the sound of it
Astrobytes: he didn't 'want' him emh, just wanted him to play cards!
eulerscheZahl: no, i wanted to go to sleep as it was quite late
emh: ahh ok
emh: thought it was gay drama
Astrobytes: :rofl:
eulerscheZahl: for you everything is a porn, isn't it?
struct: I dont want to see his STC version
emh: I was speaking to my psychologist about that actually asked them if they have antiporn medicine
Astrobytes: eulerscheZahl: no top covering bedsheets night then
eulerscheZahl: Alan Turing got some medicine, totally broke him
emh: oh noes
emh: I saw that movie
MSmits: eulerscheZahl on c++ debug mode (no pragma) it does max 3 cards played in the play phase, I crash on 4
Astrobytes: Yeah, that was some hardcore fail on society and humanity at large.
emh: true
MSmits: if i limit myself to 3, it is safe
Westicles: he was buggering teens
eulerscheZahl: no idea if i trigger cases with more cards
eulerscheZahl: you need to have a training or coding card first, my bot doesn't want to collect them yet
MSmits: maybe you just dont pick up many training cards, i have seen situations where there's 4 in my draw pile
emh: oh wow i8fbnkyw I bow to you
jacek: and I axe
Astrobytes: Westicles: I believe they were of legal hetero 'age of consent'. Homosexuality was a crime in itself.
Westicles: yeah, but not cool for an old guy to groom students
emh: Rust even
Astrobytes: Fair
Astrobytes: emh: that the Japanese guy from atcoder and such?
Astrobytes: IT is
Astrobytes: nice
emh: I don't know
Astrobytes: hm, what are the best cards to give away?
eulerscheZahl: https://clist.by/accounts/?search=i8fbnkyw
eulerscheZahl: i admit i don't know him
emh: Astrobytes the one that is needed by the least amount of applications
MSmits: give them coding cards Astrobytes
Astrobytes: I saw his name before a few times
Astrobytes: yeah, was just looking for a quick fix since I'm just idly coding things in the starter bot since I opened a beer earlier :D
Astrobytes: not touching my real bot til tomorrow
eulerscheZahl: japanese, you can bet there's a twitter account
https://twitter.com/i8fbnkyw
MSmits: enjoy the beer
MSmits: emh, you're on twitter!!!
MSmits: famous!!
emh: lol
Astrobytes: lol, tweeting about top bronze, that's gotta be a first
Westicles: his tweets are compressed python
Astrobytes: heh
MSmits: mmh people tweet what they had for dinner or if they had a difficult poo. I don't think it is so bad to tweet about this
Astrobytes: "I'm doing it with Rust, which has a relatively small number of users, and I want to aim for the number one achievement in the language."
MSmits: someone ping dbdr
MSmits: oh i just did
eulerscheZahl: i tried, he didn't see it
Westicles: I don't think that achievement applies to events
Astrobytes: lol, my first thought too
emh: I'm hosting a young Asian girl tonight, she arrived this morning, but she's not very social, I mean a bit introvert
Astrobytes: Westicles: I think it's more a personal thing for some users
eulerscheZahl: we still have this discord server for out hashcode team. but he's rarely online to see when i like other stuff there
eulerscheZahl: that couch surfing again emh?
emh: yes
Astrobytes: not around as much as he used to be tbh
emh: I've hosted more than 1300 people
Astrobytes: emh: not all at the same time I hope
emh: max 13 at the same time
Astrobytes: emh: also, DON'T show her the CSB
eulerscheZahl: and you keep the pinky toe of all of them as a memory
emh: Astrobytes yes I know
Astrobytes: :rofl:
eulerscheZahl: dexter-like
emh: eulerscheZahl haha you get me
emh: I love Dexter
Astrobytes: well, in that case, show her the CSB :D
jacek: and his laboratory?
emh: hehe
emh: I have a blood extraction lab in the basement for the vampires
Astrobytes: jacek: I liked that cartoon more than the murdering DExter show tbh :)
Astrobytes: It got a bit stale after a while
struct: There was also a new Dexter but not sure which show had the worst ending
emh: how was the new Dexter? I didn't see it
struct: not bad
Astrobytes: American Psycho was good enough
jacek: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/10/96/7c109642593bcdc4daa8e14bfbd02f75.jpg
struct: It's worth a watch
struct: I just think that the ending was rushed
Astrobytes: lol jacek
eulerscheZahl: no idea about the new one. but the ending was really disappointing for the original Dexter
emh: I liked the scene about the cards they had in American Psycho
Astrobytes: Always the way with most things these days struct
eulerscheZahl: and the seasons felt long, i was happy whenever he got rid of his partners
Astrobytes: yeah, that's what I mean when it was getting stale. Repetitive and just waiting
eulerscheZahl: but not as bad as some netflix shows with the dozen sideplots that have nothing to do with the main story
emh: that cop who was onto him was adrenaline building
emh: I guess that was in the first few seasons
eulerscheZahl: money heist is actually pretty cool. but i skip 50% of it
Astrobytes: Anyway, I've still to catch up with Picard S2 and BCS
emh: I've never watched Star Trek properly
jacek: try the orville then
emh: or anything of the sort
eulerscheZahl: cold enough in my room now, good night
emh: eulerscheZahl good night
struct: yeap I cant watch start wars or star trek
struct: gn
Astrobytes: gn euler
emh: Illedan!
Astrobytes: Start with TNG for series, film-wise, watch them all even if the early ones are cheesy
Westicles: it is all SJW now
emh: I stick to earth movies
Astrobytes: I gave up on Star Wars when they did those horrible films with that creature in them
emh: chewbacca? no the other one
Westicles: they say obi-wan is relatively good
Astrobytes: Jar Jar
MSmits: “Mesa called Jar Jar Binks, mesa your humble servant!”
emh: like a java pacakge
Astrobytes: or whatever it was
Astrobytes: yeah, should have remained compressed
emh: hehe
emh: zip it jar jar
Astrobytes: Westicles: my nephew reckons it is, but he loves all of it
Astrobytes: lol emh
Westicles: emh took some pictures of the girls he hosted, but they aren't developed yet
Astrobytes: OUCH
jacek: oO
Westicles: old Steve Martin joke
Astrobytes: yeah it's a classic biter
emh: I have a pretty good digital camera
emh: it develops pretty fast
Astrobytes: ^feigns ignorance :D
emh: one girl wanted to sleep in my bed.. because it was more comfortable. and she watched 3D movies of a NSFW quality on my TV. then she let me take a picture of my tongue near her milk factory. then she undressed in my living room. but I didn't take the hint
Westicles: you should meet Patrick
Astrobytes: He has a sex swing
Westicles: heh heh
emh: but we held hands finally
emh: does he?
Astrobytes: Not asking for any more details there
Astrobytes: Yes! Patrick is a kinky mofo
jacek: mayonaisse guy?
Astrobytes: I don't know his kinks lol
emh: I'm gonna pretend you were writing about La Marseillase
emh: I don't like mayonaisse
emh: except when it's food
jacek: i meant this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71GWS3ccmvI
emh: hmm I didn't get the joke
Astrobytes: I like it
emh: actually I have sriracha mayo in my fridge
jacek: you clicked my youtube link?
Astrobytes: My spongebob memory is vague
Astrobytes: It looked sufficiently different jacek and I have had some beer
emh: jacek I clicked
emh: I've only had 4 beers and 2 beers and 2 rum
Astrobytes: Otherwise I wouldn't
Astrobytes: moar rum emh
emh: it's hard to gulp down
emh: I'm not a professional drinker I'm a slow riser
Astrobytes: no it isn't. Well, not if you're Scottish I guess.
Astrobytes: Beer is easy to drink though, yes.
emh: I sip shots I don't shot em
emh: my specialty shot is vodka with balsamico vinegar
Astrobytes: I shoot shots but I sip cocktails and > shot_amount spirits
Astrobytes: Never tried that. Sounds odd. Might need a dash of Worcestershire Sauce
Astrobytes: and a touch of Tabasco
Astrobytes: Possibly horseradish
Astrobytes: Celery salt
Astrobytes: but no tomato juice
jacek: try nut vodka with milk
Astrobytes: (we used to call that a Naked Mary)
emh: jacek I have tried it. orzech lazkowy?
jacek: eeyup!
Astrobytes: jacek: the hazelnut stuff?
jacek: eeyup
Astrobytes: yeah that's lovely
Westicles: give me 6 shots of johnny walker poured over a grapefruit
Astrobytes: I can't have grapefruit
Westicles: statins?
emh: grapefruit is a multiplier for everything
Astrobytes: 1. It's fking disgusting
2. Interferes with most medications
Astrobytes: (having worked in pharma related sht, it literally interacts with almost everything)
emh: I love grapefruit. sometimes
emh: I don't eat it very often, but I buy the juice occasionally
emh: it's a bit sour for the stomach though
emh: I take magnesium pills for sour stomach
Astrobytes: Foul fruit.
I'm on omeprazole cause I have to take a COX2-inhibitor
Astrobytes: (NSAID)
emh: ohh hmm
Astrobytes: non-steroidal anti-inflammatory that is, if anyone is wondering
emh: I used to be on aripiprazole, now I'm on cariprazine
emh: against schizo
emh: I actually hosted one of the lead researchers or administrative guys or something in Hungary related to cariprazine and he was the one who recommended it to me
emh: it's one of the newest medicines
Astrobytes: Interesting. I have a friend who might benefit from that info
Astrobytes: Aripiprazole has been the goto for a long while (don't mention quetiapine etc)
emh: I used quetiapine as sleep medicine in addition
emh: *use
emh: but not regularly
Astrobytes: Yeah, that's alright. As main med high dose it's horrific stuff.
emh: it does have some unpleasant side effects, but only when used without alcohol. haha
Astrobytes: hahaha, also interesting
Westicles: lol. mind altering drugs and booze, and you are afraid of grapefruit
emh: anyway it's better than not sleeping for 3 nights
Astrobytes: No *I'm* afraid of grapefruit, not emh
Westicles: you guys need to go on a 72 hour fast to cleanse all that out
Astrobytes: Yes emh, that makes sense
Westicles: get some stem cells going
emh: I tried fasting on tomato juice, but I didn't survive for long
Astrobytes: I only do that kind of thing when I take hallucino- I mean vital 24 hour health breaks!
emh: my friend was really about fasting, he lost a lof okg
Astrobytes: it's not a healthy way to lose weight tbh
Astrobytes: *some* fasting in combo with other sht yeah
Westicles: it is more about autophagy and BDNF
emh: when wiping your own backend is a problem... and you still don't feel like losing weight. I ordered an apparatus from China for wiping, but it didn't appeal to me
TINOUAINANI: https://www.codingame.com/replay/642497579
TINOUAINANI: in case of this ho win ?
emh: it's a tie
Astrobytes: Westicles: that's very specific to ones body chemistry
TINOUAINANI: ok thanks
Astrobytes: emh: what was her name?
Astrobytes: (kidding!!!)
Westicles: ha
emh: Astrobytes who?
Astrobytes: emh the apparatus from China!
putibuzu: what am I reading :D
emh: ehh.. she?
emh: I don't get it. it's a wiping device
emh: doesn't have a female denominator
Astrobytes: lol, read between the lines here
RIT: how does the daily routine buff work? do you get to choose which desk you take a card from?
putibuzu: it basically increases your range to take cards
RIT: so you'd pick up 3 instead of 1?
Astrobytes: emh: imagine it was a couch surfing candidate
emh: Astrobytes you make it sound so dirty
emh: it's a wholesome sport
putibuzu: no, if you play one of those you can pick up cards 1 desk away
Astrobytes: :D
putibuzu: instead of only the card from the space you are in
RIT: but how do you tell the game which card you want?
putibuzu: you can output MOVE 0 1
RIT: ah ok thanks
putibuzu: np
emh: finally my reign is at an end. I've been knocked down from my high horse. 4th
emh: 5th
Astrobytes: Focus on making a MLPony CSB for jacek
Astrobytes: he'll love it
emh: ponies are doing machine learning?
emh: ohhh
emh: my little pony
Astrobytes: He likes ponies, but incorporate as much MultiLayerPerceptron as possible I guess
Astrobytes: You'll have to ask him for the names and stuff, not my scene
emh: hmm sounds kinky
emh: jacek do you really like ponies?
Astrobytes: he does, no joke, and no shaming
jacek: what else MLP is for
jacek: and dont image google kinkie pie
jacek: it all started with recurse disapproving my saying like "nopony" or "somepony"
jacek: his disapproval glance is all i needed to keep going
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Astrobytes: Love it.
Astrobytes: Not my thing but do what ya do and do it well is what I say.
Astrobytes: "his disapproval glance" - reShade? :D
Astrobytes: jacek, emh, think we killed the chat
emh: Astrobytes let's keep it alive then
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: we are all still just googling pony related stuff. Give us some time lads
Astrobytes: hahaha
emh: Sharon approves
MSmits: I did something ballsy that didnt pan out yet
Astrobytes: Sharon is the guest? Or another demon emh?
MSmits: i took my endgame solver and just templated it into my normal move sim, now it crashes and i dont know why :P
emh: Astrobytes the guest
Astrobytes: :D
emh: although she doesn't know what my little pony is
Astrobytes: MSmits: interesting, perhaps it is because it is considering the endgame
MSmits: she probably thought it was your nickname for your, you know what
emh: MSmits hahhahaha I doubt it
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Astrobytes: almost choked on my beer
MSmits: he told her: "We are talking about my little pony on chat"
MSmits: "some guy is obsessed with it"
Astrobytes: Quit projecting MSmits
MSmits: :P
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Astrobytes: lol, chat hasn't been this lewd in a long time
MSmits: yeah
Astrobytes: guess we need to make the most of it since it will soon be gone
MSmits: or we will, if wontonimo logs in and sees it
MSmits: i'll blame emh
MSmits: he's the worst
Astrobytes: I have a sneaking suspicion he would see the funny side
Astrobytes: lol poor emh, he is but a humble purveyor of CSB alternatives
MSmits: true
emh: omg I'm the scapegoat
emh: wontonimo willl ban me
Astrobytes: and tbh, most of the chat is risqué references/suggestive things with a couple of double entendres
Astrobytes: I rescued you emh
emh: ok wow thank you
Astrobytes: MSmits: so what about your solver? I mean, plugging an endgame solver into your main game logic from the start isn't ideal is it
MSmits: well i was going to do it like this
MSmits: i can use all the same items
MSmits: so i send a boolean with the template
MSmits: if true it does the eval at the end
MSmits: if false it returns 1 or 0 for win
MSmits: and if some playable cards are not needed to check for the win i can also use ifs for that
MSmits: templated ifs are done at compile time so thats cool
Astrobytes: alright, did you test this with non-templated methods
MSmits: i already have 900 lines
MSmits: i dont want to have 1600 lines
struct: lol
Astrobytes: for functionality purposes. Because templated functions will not give you good feedback if they fail
MSmits: yeah thats the annoying part
MSmits: i forgot about that
Astrobytes: ffs dude, I've had 5 Stellas and even I can see that issue :D
MSmits: whats a Stella?
Astrobytes: Stella Artois
emh: beer
Astrobytes: Beer
jacek: keep the chat PG-13
Astrobytes: it is!
MSmits: yup so far it is
MSmits: not much lower than that though
Astrobytes: Stella as in women, never had one. Did A Christella (sp?) once, Greek.
MSmits: I'm sorry you never had a woman Astrobytes
Astrobytes: Still PG-13
Astrobytes: You read that wrong MSmits
MSmits: oh
MSmits: It's ok you dont like women Astrobytes, dont worry about it
Astrobytes: Now you're just playing dumb :P
MSmits: I know :)
MSmits: well my templatey stuff works, kinda
avdg: The future of programming thrown away... common :p
avdg: *come on
Astrobytes: I'd advise testing the possible cases separately before templating MSmits
MSmits: yeah, but it works, it just fails because my bot doesnt know what to do when there's 4 apps done
Astrobytes: oh hey avdg, playing the contest?
avdg: yeah but not with lots of time
avdg: and with rust
avdg: (I still have to master the language)
avdg: but I can write code that can compile
Astrobytes: MSmits hm, logic issue then
MSmits: yeah
Astrobytes: avdg: this is NOT the contest to practice on believe me
avdg: well I don't have lots of time anyway
Astrobytes: you normally use JS/TS right avdg?
avdg: yep
Astrobytes: Use that. It's complicated enough as it is without trying to learn another lang on top of this mess :D
Astrobytes: (the game I mean)
avdg: meh, I don't have lots to gain by winning the game
MSmits: you get a phone!!
Astrobytes: even playing it will be a struggle, believe me
Astrobytes: this is a "stick to what you know" and analyze the code like a forensic scientist game. Don't read the statement. Output first move given or something until Bronze.
kouin: is there no GIVE_CARD phase in wood 1 league?
struct: Not sure kouin
MSmits: not sure, there isnt in wood 2
struct: But if you want full statement
struct: https://i.imgur.com/vhrIwYo.jpeg
Astrobytes: I was only there momentarily, not sure. I think it was just MOVE and RELEASE first 2 leagues no?
MSmits: oh also, the phases only happen if you have a choice to make kouin. If you only have 1 card to give, there is no phase
kouin: ok thanks MSmits, that was why
MSmits: np
kouin: that was it*
MSmits: ohh sim bot is working i think. I forgot to multiply my TD penalty by the TD score constant. That made technical debt 300 x less important
emh: did I mention I'm a wannabe game developer? I've got 3 games on steam, but the only one can vouch for is "Dance of Cubes"
MSmits: you have 1 review, but it is very extensive
emh: it's very strange
MSmits: yeah
emh: bot-like
Astrobytes: And your full name is quite magnificent
emh: thank you haha
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
MSmits: you're the second most impressive magnus i know
emh: only the second?
emh: who is the first?
MSmits: yes, if you become chess world champion too, you go up a rank
emh: actually there's a Magnus Carlsen living in my building. probably not the same one though
MSmits: yeah thats doubtful
emh: could be he's got an extra apartment for visits to Bergen never know
MSmits: true
Astrobytes: Magnus is a pretty common name MSmits
MSmits: yeah but i only kno 2
avdg: it thinks me at ice cream tbh
Astrobytes: Carlsen is also a very common surname
emh: magnus means great
Astrobytes: avdg that's a Magnum
avdg: even so :p
Astrobytes: hehehe
Astrobytes: (good taste btw, they are amazing)
Westicles: .44 magnum?
avdg: few weeks ago I learned that many ice creams are tested on crack strength, I guess it's done on magnum ice creams as well
Astrobytes: crack strength? :D
avdg: yeah
avdg: with a meter that measure force
avdg: (measuring what is needed to crack the outer cream)
Astrobytes: I am dying hard in too many ways to reply properly
Westicles: tastes better with meth
Astrobytes: doesn't that just apply to the exterior coating though avdg?
Astrobytes: e.g. the chocolate or whatever is on it
avdg: not sure, the guy told that in taste, nothing is by accident
emh: Westicles that's almost a permutation of my name
avdg: probably the cream inside has strength tests as well
Westicles: meh
emh: hehe
Astrobytes: Yes, stability measurements.
emh: people love to permute me
Astrobytes: Additives.
Astrobytes: lol emh
Astrobytes: avdg: as a chef, your ice cream is good if it sets, and starts to melt if it's out of the freezer. That's why you get it to the customer quickly. Ice cream confections you buy from a company are not quite the same.
Astrobytes: Very different requirements. The strength test makes sense though.
avdg: The experience is obviously different when the outer layer is kinda melted :P
Westicles: I used to have to make it with one of those buckets with a crank
Astrobytes: if the ice cream is inside a shell in a restaurant, you have a very specific kind of coating on it, similar to manufactured but not the same
Sraiti: hey guys the batman game execute two actions in one turn is that normal ?
Astrobytes: Westicles just a whisk and some elbowgrease is enough
Westicles: rock salt and ice everywhere
Astrobytes: Sraiti: I guess you are printing 2 actions
Sraiti: i thought that the game skip to the next turn once it gets one action
Astrobytes: Westicles :rofl:
Astrobytes: yes Sraiti but just print one per iteration of the main while loop
Astrobytes: or it will read that extra one too
Sraiti: thanks i will try to see if i'm printing two actions in one iteration
Astrobytes: if you need to debug, print to stderr, otherwise actions go to stdout
Sraiti: yah console.error in typescript
Illedan: Hi
Astrobytes: yep
Astrobytes: hey Ille
struct: hi
emh: good night
struct: gn
Illedan: gn
MSmits: gn
tablet: yo
struct: hi
Astrobytes: gn!
Astrobytes: oh I'm late
Astrobytes: Illedan how's the hayfever
struct: is that an allergy fever?
Astrobytes: yeah, pollen
Astrobytes: *pollen allergy
Astrobytes: not really an actual fever, it's rhinitis
struct: I see
Astrobytes: eyes, nose, mouth/throat, if you get pollen in there it's a living nightmare depending how bad your allergy is. I don't suffer myself but several members of my family do
Astrobytes: brb
Astrobytes: back
struct: wb
Astrobytes: man this game is just odd
MSmits: yes
aCat: ^^'
struct: at least my bot is doing better than print action 0
Astrobytes: same struct :D
Astrobytes: aCat: locam is simpler!
Astrobytes: at least it makes some sense lol
struct: im not sure yet what data structures to use yet
struct: im using vectors, arrays...
aCat: Astrobytes :kissing_cat:
Astrobytes: I have a bunch of vectors currently in my sim bot, easily replaced by my non-stl vector but plain arrays are nice
struct: I store discard, draw and played all in vector
aCat: no bits :>?
struct: I think its too slow
struct: Not yet
Astrobytes: I just like the ease of sorting and all the other std algorithm functions on vecs
Astrobytes: struct, I keep them all in one vector, but they have an attribute called Location
struct: Maybe Ill use uint32_t for the 8 skills
struct: it should fit
struct: But I think I coded enough for the day
Astrobytes: I need next week to be a thing so I can concentrate. I do too many other things on a weekend
struct: Now I think I really understand the rules
Astrobytes: Yes Joshua, the only winning move is not to play
struct: Do you use bits aCat?
Astrobytes: sorry, it was on tv an hour or 2 ago
aCat: no
struct: is that a reference to what?
Astrobytes: Wargames
aCat: I was thinking about it - better performance but I would do sim only partial
aCat: and bits are worse for ifology;]
struct: Well I can only do sim so there is that
aCat: I only have bitset for available applications
aCat: ok, I submitted my bunch of ifs
Astrobytes: Ofc only partial sim but it's a bruteforce depth 1, anything after that you need to start guessing...
aCat: even not hardcoded opening 4 rules for full game
struct: my submit is 100 iterations MC
Astrobytes: I just add ifs to the starter code tonight, I work on the real bot when sober
struct: hardcode opening?
struct: is this a thing?
Astrobytes: i have no idea
aCat: (this cat said nothing :P)
aCat: (secret remains secret ;])
struct: hmm
struct: Im not gonna hardcode anyways
struct: tomorrow I rewrite my sim again
struct: only third time not bad
Astrobytes: writing (part of) my sim gave me at least an understanding of the game, roughly
struct: yeah
struct: Now I know the rules and which parts I can improve the sim on
Astrobytes: now it's trying to do that efficiently
Astrobytes: yeah exactly
Astrobytes: Top 20 is still interesting language-wise, lots to be said for heuristics here at least at the moment, I think that may change in Silver
Scarfield: when probability enters the game, i think it will be the high performance languages, at least i think
Astrobytes: and we still are waiting for Karang to crack the RandomInt
Scarfield: that would be crazy in this game
struct: There is no excuse for the random to be cracked this time
Scarfield: way more powerful than the previous contest
avdg: There is no referee released?
struct: https://github.com/societe-generale/GreenCircle
Astrobytes: Scarfield: good point. And yeah, it's a lot harder with an int though
struct: I don't think it's possible to crack random here
Astrobytes: struct: did they fix the not SecureRandom thing?
struct: SDK has it
struct: and I think it works
struct: but this referee doesnt use it
Astrobytes: yeah exactly
struct: It might use the version but it still uses normal Random
Astrobytes: That's why we called on Karang
Astrobytes: Int is hard af compared to the floats though
struct: and you dont have opponent info
Astrobytes: He was at least willing to try but not sure if he gave up or not
struct: you dont know which cards he started with on his hand
Scarfield: you only know the location of your opponent, never which cards used to release, or cards in their deck right?
Astrobytes: not important if you only consider yours. Draw pile gets updated with randomly chosen cards from the discard pile remember,
Scarfield: and you cant choose which cards to use when releasing?
struct: you only know which cards he has
struct: and the automated
struct: You dont know where they are at
struct: But wouldnt you need the random from his as well to reverse it?
Astrobytes: I'm not 100% on that
Scarfield: oh you do get opponent cards
Astrobytes: yeah you get the cards but not the location, other than automated or not
Scarfield: didnt like this when it came out, realised today its actually interesting :)
Astrobytes: Interesting but very, very, VERY, did I say VERY yet? confusing :D
Scarfield: yea, thats probably why i lacked the motivation to take a decent look at it. have to look through some probability notes from school :)
Astrobytes: Understand the game first, that's harder
Scarfield: im still in wood 2 xD
Astrobytes: print first action
Scarfield: tried it, didnt get me anywhere
struct: I was like rank 200 in bonze with that
Astrobytes: wait a sec
struct: But I was like one of the firsts to submit, so I was a pushed
Scarfield: just submitted a first action again, but i doubt it will go anywhere sadly
Astrobytes: Scarfield: I think I sorted available moves by substring, not RANDOM, I may have done it with MOVE somehow, it was very simple
Astrobytes: as in substring(0, 6) != "RANDOM"
Scarfield: im just gonna make some simple, if i lack one skill card in hand for an app, go there -> release
Astrobytes: Pretty sure it was MOVE or something that got me out of the woods
Astrobytes: Wood 2 anyway, resubmitted in wood 1 with first action and it was fine, straight to bronze. The "RANDOM" in Wood2 is horrific, or was at least
Scarfield: 339/374 with first action, about the same with random for me :'(
Astrobytes: gimme a minute or two
struct: cant help you much Scarfield
struct: My first AI submit was Monte carlo
Scarfield: but i think this is gonna turn into a planning game of blocking your opponent from the cards needed to release the 5th app
struct: and I had to code a sim for it :/
Scarfield: np just gonna make some simple ifs, not tonight though
MSmits: blocking opponent like that is not easy Scarfield, you dont know much of what he has, you cant completely block him and there's lots of playable cards to get around it
Scarfield: yea im still in wood, so just guessing, but there definately is depth to this game i think
MSmits: yeah
Astrobytes: Yes, a lot
struct: tomorrow Ill try your thing MSmits
struct: the % to end game
Astrobytes: Or at least more than it seemed at the start
struct: Do you just brute force all possible combos?
Astrobytes: seems like the way to go
Astrobytes: you can prune silly stuff I think, can you confirm MSmits?
MSmits: i guess so
Astrobytes: mind you, in this game it's hard to judge what is silly at what time sometimes
MSmits: i dont prune
MSmits: struct i do bruteforce but i limit playable cards to 3 in a turn
MSmits: so you cant play 4 cards in my sim currently
struct: thats how you calculate the % like that?
struct: sry for the english
Scarfield: you know opponents debt, what they released since last turn, and which cards they have, that should be enough to get a rough idea of their cards no?
struct: im too tired lol
MSmits: I calculate probability when you draw cards
Astrobytes: your english is perfect struct, shut up :)
MSmits: and i pick the highest probability score when there's a choice to be made
MSmits: drawing cards only happens on training and coding so it's not that hard
MSmits: 2 or 1 card
struct: I see
struct: Thanks, tomorrow I should try it
Astrobytes: In combo with all the info given yes Scarfield, track it carefully tho
MSmits: it's simple high school probability calculus btw, nothing weird
Scarfield: im not going into that untill i get bronce, just realised that the info should be there
struct: Yeah isnt it just based on the cards remaining on draw pile?
MSmits: draw, but with some exceptions for when its empty or nearly empty
MSmits: you need to reshuffle the discard
MSmits: into draw
struct: I see
Astrobytes: but you can bruteforce that too
MSmits: the shuffling is easy
Scarfield: how does that work btw, it seemed there was a bug if you had <4 cards in draw pile?
MSmits: just memcpy the discard into the draw and do the same thing you were going to do if you didnt have to shuffle
Astrobytes: yes MSmits, exactly
Astrobytes: I wrote this earlier
Astrobytes: in my sim
MSmits: ohh ok
struct: what data structure do you use for discard and draw pile MSmits? Anything fancy?
Scarfield: no i mean in the game, do your discard pile get shuffled into the draw pile as soon as there are less than 4 cards in the draw pile?
Astrobytes: I started at a random place in my sim but it makes sense to me. I have all teh methods laid out
struct: no when it reaches 0 Scarfield
Astrobytes: Scarfield, only at 0
Scarfield: so you can draw less than 4 cards, and thats intended or a bug you know=
MSmits: no, i use a crappy int[10] for now
Astrobytes: drawCount == 0 && discard == 0 return false or something, for drawing
Astrobytes: thereafter it pushes discard pile cards to draw
Scarfield: aah ok
Scarfield: 3 cards in draw pile, they for certain are drawn, then one from discard pile (since they all get shuffled into draw) ?
MSmits: I was wondering why my bot would not finish app 5, then i noticed architecture is not an available card to play in my sim
MSmits: architecture is super important for the last app
Astrobytes: Yeah Scarfield, it'll shuffle them all in
Scarfield: okay ty, i wonder why they specify in the rules you have to move one way, when you can still move where ever you want xD
Astrobytes: oh wait, it does that on empty
Astrobytes: hang on a sec
MSmits: you are penalized when going from 7 to 0 Scarfield
MSmits: moving through admin desk
MSmits: (in bronze)
Scarfield: oh, is the statement more clear in bronze?
Astrobytes: ah no, I am right, I neglected to see the looping through the number of cards to draw.
MSmits: Scarfield no
MSmits: there's just more statement
Scarfield: xD
Astrobytes: And yeah, no
Astrobytes: Worse, tbh
Astrobytes: Trust the code and chat
Scarfield: https://youtu.be/2CukM4Eoi7Q?t=25
Astrobytes: lol, that's a thing in North London too :D
Astrobytes: Yeah yeah no, Yeahyeahyeahyeahyeah no
Scarfield: lol
Astrobytes: Scarfield: and the opposite, no no no no yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yXYAK757Oc
Scarfield: xD
Scarfield: that was delightfully dumb
Scarfield: never seen that show before
Scarfield: no no.... no deal
Astrobytes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXgSg2Oq36w
Astrobytes: Scarfield
Astrobytes: Great show at times :D
Astrobytes: Explaining the "hy the long face joke" to Alice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePgGPGYhrmA
Astrobytes: Sadly, that actress died a few years back
Astrobytes: It takes talent to act that stupid!
Scarfield: haha yea :)
Astrobytes: *Why not hy
Astrobytes: Last one, best of Alice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CBZSvdx11c
Scarfield: my ifs seem to work :)
Scarfield: "call me alice"
Astrobytes: did you work with my recommendations?
MSmits: yay 9 out of 10 first games won
Scarfield: tried a few combinations, but decided to finish my approach instead, it was almost there
struct: nice
MSmits: think i finally got the bugs out, well most of them
MSmits: hope this gets top 100
Scarfield: there is always one more bug :p
struct: it should
MSmits: yeah seems like it
MSmits: i definitely went overbudget with my coding time today :)
struct: are you running any book while coding?
MSmits: yeah i am still trying to solve oware
struct: :D
MSmits: after contest i will write some code to clean my meta mcts from all but the necessary proving nodes. That way i wont hit the limit of 2 billion nodes and can keep solving
Astrobytes: Are you and jacek still gonna team up for the Oware thing?
MSmits: I don't think so, but I'll help him if he needs help
Astrobytes: Cause when I saw that I just quit lol
MSmits: Oh btw, if you want to see what i look like, Professor x also put my picture up
MSmits: i figured that world champion he beat also had a picture
Scarfield: just got the wood 1 rules, damn architecture seems op
MSmits: it's needed
Astrobytes: If you want to know what I look like just ask lol
MSmits: but not for app 1-4
Scarfield: yea seems that would be a waste
MSmits: first thing i am going to do tomorrow is make this mess readable.
MSmits: I am talking about my code btw, not the statement
Astrobytes: link for your pic MSmits?
MSmits: sec
Astrobytes: I bet this is a troll
MSmits: https://48stones.com/research-games-challenge/
MSmits: no troll
Scarfield: i prefer to think of you with that white hair xD
Astrobytes: No troll indeed, you look much younger than you feel
struct: you look dutch
Astrobytes: lol that too
MSmits: well thanks I guess :)
Scarfield: xD
Scarfield: at least i dont think of you like a cat
Scarfield: playing the keyboard that is
MSmits: no please don't
Astrobytes: since we're on that subject: does this link work?
https://yt3.ggpht.com/USdMksM7jDWstOf2sZ8w2Vo7QcfCqRNxrRYUctMAsDDTVL2QP5cfm4BEdo1ZxudRbtXpp21RdQ=s480-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj
MSmits: yep, is that you?
Astrobytes: Yup
MSmits: awesome
MSmits: like you're in a rock band
Astrobytes: on a good day a few months ago
MSmits: my uncle that worked at IBM his whole life looked like you
Scarfield: but you are not made of metal
Astrobytes: Ah Scarfield, the beard. When it grows I just look metal
Scarfield: xD
MSmits: ended up 61th on this submit. Was 180th without sim
Scarfield: you look pretty metal right there :)
Astrobytes: MSmits: the weed growing one?
MSmits: yeah
Astrobytes: hehehehe
Scarfield: lol
struct: What search are you using? Random?
Astrobytes: I think my tshirt says all I need to say about that
MSmits: brute force, same as euler
MSmits: yep
struct: I dont think I can run brute force yet
MSmits: i still have to put in daily routines card
MSmits: my bot cant use it
Scarfield: i made a new algorithm. its not a search or force, its just brute and dumb
struct: How do you choose which cards you take from the deck MSmits?
struct: Random?
Astrobytes: brutus search
MSmits: take from the deck?
MSmits: you mean drawing?
struct: draw pile yeah sry
MSmits: I don't choose
Astrobytes: you should brute that
MSmits: I draw all
Astrobytes: ^
MSmits: weighted average by probability
struct: But create a different state for each draw right?
MSmits: yes
Astrobytes: nice to know I was going in the right direction :)
struct: Makes sense, I will probably try to brute force tomorrow
struct: For now I'm going to rest
struct: Gn every1
MSmits: me too. GN guys
Astrobytes: gn struct
Astrobytes: night MSmits
Astrobytes: I'll probably f off too
Scarfield: i have a feeling there is an approach here, where you search to maximize your probability to draw what you want, not the other way around
Scarfield: yea me too :) gn folks
Astrobytes: interesting point Scarfield
Scarfield: yup :) but gn its getting way too late
DaNinja: do you need an int[10] for permanent cards?
DaNinja: totally forgot about them
Westicles: looks like only about 200 people max are actually trying on the contest? I'm 250 with a garbage submit
j4at: I'm 243th with pritning first possible action :grimacing:
Westicles: yeah, same here
Westicles: so I think anyone who has basically anything real should make silver
BrunoFelthes: in general, basic AIs can get GOLD, the real challenge is reach legend
square1001: I can't predict how the silver/gold/legend cutoffs will be, though... Only a few (or none) are reaching gold by now?
DaNinja: they select a boss from the submitted AIs to let a percentage of bots promote to the next league
DaNinja: if I remember correctly, last challenge 500 bots got into legend when it opened
DaNinja: which seemed like a lot
Glyptod0n: sorry can anyone tell me what happens if the two player release the same application on the same turn
DaNinja: first player gets the app. it is removed from the inputs for the next player
saiko5: coding from airplane lol!
DaNinja: really? :D
saiko5: yeah
saiko5: from JA339J
saiko5: Osaka->Chitose(Hokkaido) Japan
DaNinja: https://www.flightradar24.com/JAL2501/2c4dbb55
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