LLG: what happens if both heroes uses WIND on a spider from the same direction?
LLG: does it get pushed 2200 or 4400?
Eltrion: Yes wind stacks
Eltrion: So it would go the sum of the vectors of all heros that used wind
pmor: 3 heroes can yeet a spider pretty far
Eltrion: Yeah I saw some cheese with three attackers
Eltrion: Pretty difficult to defend against, but they're also just leaving their base to be taken by any mobs that wander in.
Miki09: Blasterpoard attacks are so smooth
Kokoz: Hello miki :)
Miki09: Hi :-)
Miki09: Why are servers so slow?
Miki09: Im computing my score for like an hour
_NikJ: 261 computing, that's honestly not THAT many people
_NikJ: should be faster
pmor: Yeah, I've been waiting for mine to finish for 1 1/2 hrs
actualCoderTrevor: I always find myself thinking codingame should scale up the servers [more] during these contests. This has been better than Spring 2021 though.
_NikJ: i was 500th in gold when I got promoted, now I accidentally submitted again and fallen to 800th with the same code xd
Miki09: lol
Miki09: I was 130 in silver and now I'm testing
Miki09: Imma implement double push today
derjack: :upside_down:
[CG]Thibaud: we're aware of the slowness. There is something wrong with the code machines
_NikJ: who is "the best" single attacker player atm? I see a ton of double attacks
pmor: couple days ago I was impressed with eric.lee's bot. It was a single attacker that was #1 for awhile
bluecross: gold games count increased yet?
eulerscheZahl: seems so. 17 games, 12%
eulerscheZahl: and it's fast again
derjack: thibaud, is this java code?
_NikJ: eulerscheZahl are you running 1 attacker only instead of 2?
eulerscheZahl: i was always at 1 attacker
eulerscheZahl: except first days with 0
_NikJ: then it's time to study your moves :D
eulerscheZahl: waste of time. i don't even properly coordinate defenders. they often share the same position and target
eulerscheZahl: only casting spells separates them
_NikJ: and yet you're top 10, it's good enough for me lmao
_NikJ: I'm doing something very very wrong, but I can't find what yet
eulerscheZahl: top10 if you send a lot of other players into submit simultaneously maybe
actualCoderTrevor: Silver boss is very mean :laughing:
eulerscheZahl: then be even meaner
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/626074084
ate him alive
actualCoderTrevor: Nice! Thanks for sharing :)
It looks like if two heros control each other on the same turn, it cancels out?
eulerscheZahl: no, they both succeed. see frame 59
_NikJ: damn, that attack was smooth
actualCoderTrevor: Okay thanks
rafaelSorel: hello guys, anyone has used brutaltester with the referee of this contest ? When I use it, I always have a result equals to zero for both player !
_NikJ: I tried, but it kept throwing some magic Java errors regarding log4j, so I just gave up
SirLoxley: that moment when you think while programming ... hmm I am not sure this is correct ... and it turns out, it is not correct :/
rafaelSorel: for the log4j, you need to set an old version, if your environment is not updated -> pom xml file set the version 2.4.1 in log4j section
bigrussianmilashka: Hello my friend
cegprakash: I won't be surprised if eulerscheZahl finishes in top 3 he is doing some magic
derjack: frog wednesday eh
Uljahn: DJ Sim and MC Magic :smirk:
cegprakash: eulerscheZahl trusts in team trust over team coordination and it works
cegprakash: and he wrecks me 100% -_-
eulerscheZahl: i just failed to coordinate the team and give different targets. i'm convinced that splitting them up can be beneficial in some cases
eulerscheZahl: but it's complicated, e.g. i want them close together to SHIELD the partner when controlled
cegprakash: I split up but u wreck me 100% euele
eulerscheZahl: my bot (as most others) has 2 completely different components: attack and defense.
maybe you even have a stronger defense but a worse attacking, who knows
_NikJ: how fast are the battles right now?
LaurensD: still not too fast, but by the time it's normalized it'll be the next tier
eulerscheZahl: got 120 battles in 50min
eulerscheZahl: it's faster (was 30 in 1h before) but not perfect
eulerscheZahl: 229 computing
blasterpoard: I hate it that I lose rating for winning against weak opponent who get me as their 1st game
DomiKo: #flex
therealbeef: first world problems eh
eulerscheZahl: lower your overall rating, that will solve the problem
eulerscheZahl: submit ended. took an hour to the minute
blasterpoard: eulerscheZahl ok; I might submit a crashbot for most of legend to fix that
blakestone: has anyone run into a problem with a challenge where it times out/fails when simply looping through the provided list of items?
eulerscheZahl: in legend it's ok to have a strong bot again
blasterpoard: will I get +0.02 for losing then?
blasterpoard: gotta test it
eulerscheZahl: no need to hide
eulerscheZahl: don't be like Ille dan
wlesavo: euler is it still 40-50 games on submit?
eulerscheZahl: no, back to normal
wlesavo: oh nice
blasterpoard: btw this version has broken control, defender often controls monsters towards my own base and attackers don't use it often enough
blasterpoard: its eval is bugged
eulerscheZahl: eval, first world problems
eulerscheZahl: this is a heuristic contest, long live True AI
eulerscheZahl: i think i can't find the forum post anymore :(
wlesavo: i have no mechanism to control spider into my own base, the only possibility is to control to the enemy base
blasterpoard: for (double angle = 0.00; angle <= 6.28; angle += 0.01) { ... }
blasterpoard: at least that's what I do at depth 1
eulerscheZahl: mine is similar
eulerscheZahl: except that i test less angles
wlesavo: you can safely prune to 3.14 i think
eulerscheZahl: i mean less intermediate steps
wlesavo: yeah, i got that
wlesavo: btw im stealing your shield partner under control heuristic euler
eulerscheZahl: hmpf, you weren't supposed to do that
_NikJ: hmm am I completely wrong for only going aggressive when I get to 200 mana? o.O
wlesavo: i think its a good balance betwwen preemtively over shielding and no shielding at all
eulerscheZahl: i found the True AI thing, here it started
https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2020-feedback-strategy/184113/31
dbdr: a piece of history!
Miki09: So I added double push now, but it seems I have bad defender that doesnt defend well.. Imma code it now. See you guys in couple hours :-)
Miki09: from #108 to #1900 just because of bad defender...
eulerscheZahl: you even dropped to a lower league by doing so?
wlesavo: hm, my alice is not willing to save bob from control, but bob is always there for alice
eulerscheZahl: evil Alice, don't trust her
she probably also shares Bob's secrets with the MitM
wlesavo: oh, Alice thinks Bob is dead by design :smiley:
eulerscheZahl: because he's not added to the list of other heroes yet?
rafaelSorel: eulerscheZahl you are very persistant on mind control :joy:
Miki09: euler I didnt drop... I hope I wont...
wlesavo: euler he removed from there before alice simulation by being forcefully killed
eulerscheZahl: shield yourself if you don't like it rafaelSorel
wlesavo: if you count state = DEAD as killing
eulerscheZahl: killing heroes, that's something new
rafaelSorel: that's what I am willing to do :D
wlesavo: not only my own but even enemies!
wlesavo: in fact they always dead for now in my sim
SirLoxley: something broke? I get "Submitted code is too big" as an error
PHEARD: how many lines do you have ?
SirLoxley: ~ 2500
wlesavo: chars
eulerscheZahl: 100kB code size limit
PHEARD: hahaha
dbdr: lol, my sim tries to optimize getting a score as close to 2^31 as possible
eulerscheZahl: remove all indents (if you don't code in python)
PHEARD: dude you got to factorize a bit
SirLoxley: 101k what?
SirLoxley: how lol
PHEARD: every repeating line, you make it a function
eulerscheZahl: int overflow dbdr?
SirLoxley: time to kill the comments
eulerscheZahl: i always use doubles for scoring
PHEARD: or a method, idk in what language you are coding
dbdr: yeah, most likely :)
wlesavo: lol, both base destroyed, first time i see that
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/626123755
eulerscheZahl: not that unusual actually
wlesavo: for self games should be more likely yeah
eulerscheZahl: who's alisa?
SirLoxley: tabs to spaces ... got 16k back
wlesavo: or maybe i just didnt pay attention
SirLoxley: (other way round)
wlesavo: euler in russian Alice and Bob often written as Alisa and Bob
eulerscheZahl: nice attacking logic wlesavo. you avoid damaging the bugs there
wlesavo: euler there is some punish in eval for damaging the bugs that target enemy base, eventually some times it even works
eulerscheZahl: eval, you guys all go for a simulation approach?
PHEARD: well I don't, how do you do it ?
wlesavo: My MC is not that far from True AI
dbdr: look how well it works!
dbdr: https://www.codingame.com/replay/626128470
PHEARD: Do you guys have a simple way to test a bunch of fights in my everyday IDE instead of codingames' ?
wlesavo: what a trickster dbdr :smiley:
dbdr: they want to get out it seems!
eulerscheZahl: what i do: print stdin directly to stderr
then copy-paste it into a text file. and set my IDE to use this file as stdin
eulerscheZahl: allows me to play single turns. i don't have any memory on monsters that are now out of view but were visible before. this could complicate things
eulerscheZahl: if you want to debug the whole thing and not just a single turn:
https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/53705/contest-tools-and-workflow/introduction
aCat: ouh, you dont remember moinsters euler?
aCat: yep it simplifies but I decided to add this
eulerscheZahl: no, i'm bad at memory
aCat: and this methot of debugging/testing is great, this cat supports
Madjosz: I just noticed this chat functionality for the first time. Is it only unlocked after one month of membership?
eulerscheZahl: but definitely saw a few situations where i should CONTROL the defender away but didn't just because i didn't see the monster next to it
aCat: you need some level Madjosz
eulerscheZahl: level 3+ and CG was A-B testing while considering to remove the chat entirely
eulerscheZahl: i don't know their conclusions and if A-B testing is still on-going
Madjosz: Hmm, but I've been on that level at least since 1st of April.
eulerscheZahl: some new users just don't see a chat at all
eulerscheZahl: CG wants to know if chat affects user behavior or if they can remove it completely
eulerscheZahl: i would miss the chat :(
DomiKo: me too :(
Madjosz: Actually I wished I could communicate with fellow clashers.
Whatar: you can
Madjosz: So I was excited it was suddenly possible.
aCat: you have auto open new chat for clashes
aCat: yep
eulerscheZahl: some clashers are just bots
Madjosz: Only problem is that I accidentally hit the close tab often.
therealbeef: chat is part of the appeal of CG I think
wlesavo: especialy in the time of contest
PHEARD: Personaly @therealbeef i didn't notice chat until now, and I've loved CG without it all along
PHEARD: Although I'll admit that chat is a real bonus and I appreciate it
eulerscheZahl: you only know what's missing when you got used to it before
Uljahn: Thibaud said on discord (04/21/2022): "FYI, we've stopped/paused the AB test on the chat for the challenge (meaning everyone should be able to see it). We'll see after the challenge with this AB test which was bugged again"
eulerscheZahl: ok, so a new round of AB testing later
PHEARD: Well let's enjoy it while it lasts
_NikJ: 76 victory, 72 defeat, not great xd
PHEARD: I'll take this chance to ask you guys, are you all professional developers or are there a lot of casual coders who code in their free time ?
eulerscheZahl: i code at my day-to-day job as well
DomiKo: a lot of students
eulerscheZahl: but was active here while i was still a student already
actualCoderTrevor: I'm a professional developer but I was enjoying codingame before I got a job as well.
PHEARD: I figured that top ranks are probably all students / professionals
DomiKo: mostly
K363: hi
PHEARD: Okay thanks for your input
eulerscheZahl: what's the alternative to that?
eulerscheZahl: retired?
Miki09: Is double push really worth it?
PHEARD: Haha I guess, or self taught people who just love it
eulerscheZahl: we have that too. a physics teacher how switched subjects and now teachers comp sci instead
wlesavo: self taught ~ student in this sence
PHEARD: @Miki i guess if you optimize your defender well, it got me quite high in ranking without putting much optimization into it
Miki09: ok thx
eulerscheZahl: there's even a triple push in top5
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/626144378
kovi: 10 python in top10
PHEARD: Yeah i've seen the guy, just rushes to your base arround turn 50 and triple push spiders from miles
wlesavo: was even top2 yeasteday
kovi: i mean 4 python
Miki09: Hmm triple push... interesting...
therealbeef: i don't code much anymore at work (as architect), so these contests are my fix ;-)
kovi: same
PHEARD: Mmh I understand, I guess if i stopped developing everyday I'd miss it... And I can see how CG can fix that, it's a great alternative
PHEARD: Idk who had the idea of this site but thank god this guy exists
eulerscheZahl: the answer is Frédéric Desmoulins
PHEARD: Sounds like a cliché french name
PHEARD: But yeah all I've heard was it's french
K363: bonjour mon amis
Westicles: but now is franco-american like spaghettiow
Westicles: *spaghettios
AnciukastheChip: heyyy friends
EcoLis: :muscle_tone1:
Jaunuolis535: :wave:
badradsuperbrad: heeeey all
badradsuperbrad: what's up with the "Warning: your code did not read all available input before printing an instruction" thing?
Caticii: your loop didn't finish before it outputted the cmds
badradsuperbrad: hmm ... it's the same input reading code i've been using the whole time
kingSelom: How to do the triple push? seems interesting :joy:
Miki09: In some time just grab all ur players
Zyk0: Maybe you stacked two commands, forgot to input a \n or something, or return after printing your move
Miki09: and use wind to "shoot" spiders at his base
badradsuperbrad: gotcha ... thanks zyko!
badradsuperbrad: i'll look through it all
Zyk0: Yw !
Caticii: god this spring challenge is gonna kill my brain xd
daffie: did you see someone actually doing the push ?
Caticii: ive seen a single push
daffie: I've been waiting for someone to try that lol
wlesavo: check twoodhouse games
daffie: NICE
kingSelom: nice so i need the 3 heroes to push at the same time
kingSelom: nice
kingSelom: I will try it out
_NikJ: 900+ in gold? is that a bit too much?
Uljahn: not that much compared to the last contest
LaurensD: SOO SAD https://www.codingame.com/replay/626180976
LaurensD: got to play with shields hmm
IvesL: does anyone know what is the max time for clash of codes timeout?
IvesL: for each test case
_NikJ: whew, finally top 500
SabertheLost: did someone hack my, bot. Yesterday I was 200 ranked in silver. Now I´m 536 in gold?
SabertheLost: is was the ai reduced in complexity?
SabertheLost: or*
_NikJ: well, by the time it's all recalculated, many people moved to gold, boss got weaker because he kept losing etc etc
LaurensD: Time for arena, got a good feeling about this
LaurensD: :frowning2:
did not start all too well
Miki09: GOLD league :grinning:
Westicles: IvesL, I think for in/out puzzles the timeout is language specific
nalka0: I don't really understand how vx and vy work? It says this is the x and y to add to actual position to know next position but I don't think that's right...
eulerscheZahl: it is right regardless of you believing in it
eulerscheZahl: except if WIND comes into play
nalka0: Nah there's no wind involved
eulerscheZahl: edge to base?
nalka0: Ah kk i got my mistake
nalka0: nvm
nalka0: So vy and vx remain unchanged till they enter a base right?
Samer: guys, a question please, can a hero cast a shield spell on itself?
nalka0: YEs
LaurensD: yup
Samer: thanks! saves me time finding out by testing :)
nalka0: I didn't try but he maybe can even cast control on itself
Samer: I don't see a point in controlling itself, moves works better without spending mana.. but yeah, for the sake of satisfying curiosity, one could try
actualCoderTrevor: Sure if you want a hero that has good self-control
nalka0: It could help counter-balancing an ennemy control if you predict it
nalka0: But i think that's too deep x)
actualCoderTrevor: Probably better to shield
nalka0: Since shield takes one turn to activate it wouldn't prevent control casted on the same turn, would it?
_NikJ: Look at this control war starting at frame 77 lmao https://www.codingame.com/replay/626202848
eulerscheZahl: we just got a 4th digit in gold size
eulerscheZahl: did they increase mana font size btw?
_NikJ: you reckon top 100 to legend, eulerscheZahl?
eulerscheZahl: will be much less
eulerscheZahl: i'm on the edge of passing or not
actualCoderTrevor: Does it get harder to get into legend the longer it's been opened? Think I remember hearing that in previous contests but don't remember the details.
eulerscheZahl: the boss will remain the same the whole time
eulerscheZahl: the longer you are at top gold, the more likely you are to get pushed by some other submits
actualCoderTrevor: Ah okay, so there could be stiffer competition at the top of gold
therealbeef: but advantage is that you can test against the boss in the IDE
Alurian: (int)Math.Sqrt(Math.Pow(5109, 2) - Math.Pow(17630-11478, 2));
Alurian: can anyone explain why that results in -2147483648
Alurian: nvm
Whatar: overflow?
Tiramon: nvm means you know the reason?
Tiramon: what was it?
eulerscheZahl: i question the hypothesis but would have to execute the code
Alurian: well i take a root of a negative
Alurian: but it shouldn't be negative..
therealbeef: i'd expect an error then
eulerscheZahl: like NaN
IvesL: @Westicles then it's very difficult to test for some math problems, if the code is optimized enough
IvesL: sad
eulerscheZahl: what is (int)NaN?
Astrobytes: 42
supraaxdd: based
Alurian: for some reason it doesn't give an error, but found the bugg
eulerscheZahl: hey astro i found TrueAI again
https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2020-feedback-strategy/184113/31
Astrobytes: haha well done! I was sure it wasn't so recent, appears I was wrong :D
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/626277282 blasterpoard show some mercy lol
cegprakash: u are cutting me like a cake
blasterpoard: cegprakash no
cegprakash: :head_bandage:
Samer: that double wind spell seems unfair, no?
eulerscheZahl: sounds like someone wants to win the contest
eulerscheZahl: it's not unfair if everyone can do it
Samer: well, let's say illogical maybe?
Samer: wind is wind...
Stanworld: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/32257b6b-9623-4585-bd48-ddf6b36c0377
Tiramon: just keep his heroes atleast 2x windrange away from your base ...
Whatar: yeah but 2wind > wind
eulerscheZahl: 2 ventilators are stronger than 1, aren't they?
Stanworld: i was 121 in Bronze...
looking for the code...
_NikJ: 3 guys can shoot 1 ball 3 times as far as 1 guy? same logic, diff result
eulerscheZahl: yes, we saw that message Stanworld
Stanworld: finding a big stupid bug : i was considering mana amount of the opponent instead of mine...
correcting....
eulerscheZahl: almost sounds like you have more bugs. or missing features
Stanworld: play again in the arena...
and now i am 118 .... getting only 3 in the ranking ?
Stanworld: maybe was not a so big stupid bug...
Stanworld: certainly more bugs AND missing features ;)
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/626235314
damn, killed by just 1 attacker in 44 turns
Stanworld: is there any interest in SHIELD you opponent ?
cegprakash: O M G
_NikJ: when you wanna push spiders into his base, you dont wanna push him in too
cegprakash: what a replay eulerscheZahl
_NikJ: but I wouldn't go that far Stanworld
Aramang: I would go that far if using 2 attackers
jordonez: Silver bot destroys me but i have been promoted to gold, why?
Mattant: jordonez same question lol
ETET: Hello World
Aramang: it hasn't quite promoted me but i've gone 250 to 100 in the last couple of hours with no submit
Raxus: Anyone knows why arena's are so slow?
Stanworld: nice, _Nikj
i wouldn't go that far for now
cegprakash: do replays have an expiry time? I can't access https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/625179388
aCat: :(
aCat: they shouldn't have...
eulerscheZahl: they do
Astrobytes: that was noticed some time ago iirc
eulerscheZahl: but if you open them with the share-replay, they should be saved for posterity i think
eulerscheZahl: e.g. those are still working, as i made that API call after generating them
https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/leaderboards/?game=hypersonic
Miki09: default in gold seems pretty stupid
aCat: default is always the same
Tiramon: it was also default in bronze ...
Miki09: oh ok
eulerscheZahl: not always. at coders of the caribbean there was a really strong default when legend opened
Tiramon: hm can't even get to gold this time ...
sasieightynine: Why can't I cast a spell on my own hero?
Astrobytes: sometimes it's the boss from the previous league, sometimes it ain't
sasieightynine: *shield spell
aCat: sasieightynine you can cats shield
Tiramon: sasieightynine no mana, he is shielded ... depends on situation
Tiramon: out of range maybe
Astrobytes: cat shields eh aCat ;)
struct: Hi
sasieightynine: Say I have a hero with entity id 0, i have enough mana, I cast shield with it to id 0, nothing happens.
Astrobytes: hey there struct
Tiramon: give a replay and we can tell you in detail sasieightynine
Miki09: :wave:
eulerscheZahl: heuristics is all you need Tiramon. not to win probably but you can get pretty high
struct: euler the vx and vy have been fixed
eulerscheZahl: i know, Thibaud wrote it on the forum
Tiramon: yes my heuristic has a pretty stable defense ... but i'm lacking attack and there are besser farmers than mine
eulerscheZahl: but thanks for the info
struct: np
Tiramon: *better
sasieightynine: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/626295892
sasieightynine: turn 118 - 119
eulerscheZahl: then you need a besserer Angreifer
Tiramon: :P
Tiramon: so you say no gold without attacker?
eulerscheZahl: there are some pacifist bots in gold too
eulerscheZahl: but i think 2 defenders + 1 attacker makes it easier
Miki09: Im at 2+1 now but I think imma go to 0+3 :-D
eulerscheZahl: so you try to win on mana but still mostly defend in your own base Tiramon?
eulerscheZahl: that sounds wrong. you don't need a farmer without attackers
Tiramon: my main target was to get a 100% defense
Tiramon: gets me to ~960 in silver
Hackker: why do sometime i got bad command
Hackker: Standard Output Stream: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/7896d81e-aeca-4100-b787-0b1688925acf
Aramang: are they getting any through or only losing on wild mana?
eulerscheZahl: you just have to make your opponent die before you
Tiramon: because WAIT is not a command?
IvesL: @Hackker you dont provide enough outputs
Hackker: oh
Hackker: i know why
Hackker: cuz i print wait not WAIT
eulerscheZahl: can you share a replay?
Hackker: dumb code
LaurensD: uppercase WAIT
LaurensD: not sure if that matters
Hackker: that's matter bruh
eulerscheZahl: oh, it's case sensitive? that's unusual
Tiramon: in spring challenge afaik WAIT is no valit command uppercase or not
Tiramon: *valid
eulerscheZahl: WAIT: the hero does nothing.
Hackker: but it need to be uppercase bruh
Tiramon: oh there it is ... ok
Tiramon: so yes uppercase should be the solution
Hackker: yep i just realize that
eulerscheZahl: or just move to your current location
IvesL: @Tiramon are we allowed to discussed specific clash of code problem here?
eulerscheZahl: yes IvesL
IvesL: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/1812268d710e130ba13978a5abf59d453820
IvesL: im stuck with this one
IvesL: cant pass test 7 and 16
eulerscheZahl: and your code that solves some of it?
IvesL: all others but 7 and 16
Tiramon: oh damn i guess this could help .. replace a min with a max ... let's see
eulerscheZahl: paste your code
eulerscheZahl: if it doesn't, try average?
IvesL: how to use the pastebin
Tiramon: could actually also be a solution ;)
eulerscheZahl: just paste it and wait for the magic
IvesL: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/926fa72a-df73-41dd-a724-080b7639467a
IvesL: alright
Tiramon: more than 4 lines gets a auto pastebin
Tiramon: there was also a char limit but i forgot it
IvesL: i dont think im doing it correctly actually
_NikJ: hm, to move to monster.coords or to monster.coords+monster.vectors :thinking:
Tiramon: i use m.coords + mvector * timeToIntercept
_NikJ: where timetointercept is in steps I assume? dist / 400
_NikJ: interesting, I like it
Tiramon: you can't reach it earlier so moving to just x+vx will waste some time
Aramang: i use timeToIntercept + 1
even tried + 2 for a while
eulerscheZahl: this one is passing IvesL
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/8e559c98-cb22-4e52-8785-4e75d4cc0d12
Aramang: i also used dist/300 to calulate time for WAY too long but we don't talk about that
WannaBeHum1n: wait it is not dist/300
WannaBeHum1n: xD ?
WannaBeHum1n: why
Aramang: because monsters more at 400/turn
Aramang: move*
struct: 300 is their attack range
WannaBeHum1n: oh no
IvesL: @eulerscheZahl right thanks, so i have done sth extra to it
Tiramon: hm ok spaming less spells is also a solution ... then i got mana when i need it ;)
cagriy: HELLO FROM ISTANBUL <3
isimkullanmiyorum: hi
eulerscheZahl: hello from Germany. we don't have caps lock here
tkankan: Hello from 42Kocaeli!
cagriy: i am sorry :(
_NikJ: Tiramon I personally had coolowns on my spells, but ranked much worse than when I let the bot just spam them
_NikJ: With attacker I had just spam control like a maniac, spiders in, heroes out
JulienKerlero: Is there by chance someone who knows Haskell here ?
Astrobytes: #fr probably has a higher number ;)
JulienKerlero: :(
JulienKerlero: nobody there
tkankan: hey
JulienKerlero: np I'll find a way
ZarthaxX: what do you need JulienKerlero?
Astrobytes: there'll be more peeps in #fr later
Tiramon: _Nikj just found out that controling a enemy away while there was nothing to do for him nearby costed me some matches ...
Astrobytes: zarthaskell
JulienKerlero: I'd like to understand how this works and how can I put them all in one line. I'd like to scan the IO inputs :
input_line <- getLine
[w, h] <- return $ map (\s -> read s :: Int) (words input_line)
JulienKerlero: I'm not sure about what I wrote, mainly the return
Astrobytes: golfing? (putting them all on one line)
ZarthaxX: Astrobytes :rofl:
JulienKerlero: And I don't get why I can't just put getLine instead of affecting the getLine value to a variable (Im not even sure its what Im doing here lol)
_NikJ: Tiramon, I cntrol them out only when there's monsters around him and he's close to base
ZarthaxX: JulienKerlero mmm yeah i think that getLine thing is unnecessary
ZarthaxX: you can just replace there input_line in the second expression
JulienKerlero: it doest work
ZarthaxX: wat
JulienKerlero: let me show you the error message
JulienKerlero: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d5c001ca-c757-4217-a264-edbd239e5432
JulienKerlero: I feel like I need a return somewhere
ZarthaxX: does that work if you dont replace it?
ZarthaxX: because it says it's not matching types
JulienKerlero: yup it does
JulienKerlero: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/db73850f-c3c0-4fd6-b866-a8cecbd093e4
Tiramon: _NikJ the monster around stuff was the spam protection i just added ... was a waste of mana to control him away without anything nearby
ZarthaxX: okey
nightwalkerinthedark: lol
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
ZarthaxX: maybe you want an fmap JulienKerlero https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14226577/operation-on-user-getline-result-before-storing-in-variable-haskell
Tiramon: _NikJ but i also control him away if outside of base ... to prevent the double wind stuff
ZarthaxX: the problem here is that the getLine is an IO action, not a normal function apparently
JulienKerlero: yup it seems
JulienKerlero: should I "read" it ?
Westicles: needs more gibberish and weird looking punctuation
HenroLST: WOOHOO
ZarthaxX: check that link, it uses fmap, maybe that solves it and you dont have to store it in a variable
JulienKerlero: Oh
JulienKerlero: maybe I should've use fmap or mapH instead
Tiramon: hm great seams like i can't reconstruct a bug in my bot because only game i found is non deterministic ...
Westicles: JulienKerlero which puzzle are you trying?
JulienKerlero: Dungeons and Maps
JulienKerlero: I'm trying to get used to the IO system
JulienKerlero: and some basic Haskell tricks
JulienKerlero: I want to do next spring challenge in Haskell
JulienKerlero: cuz Python is too slow and I don't want to learn C, C++ or anything
JulienKerlero: And funcitonnal programming looks great
Westicles: well, all 7 published solutions do it in a totally different way
Westicles: from each other...
Westicles: (w : h :_ ) <- fmap (map (\w -> read w::Int) . words) getLine
JulienKerlero: I was close
JulienKerlero: x)
JulienKerlero: I love Haskell
Westicles: [w,h] <- map read . words <$> getLine
Westicles: that looks more sensible
JulienKerlero: isn't <$> just infix fmap ?
Westicles: lol, who knows
JulienKerlero: looks like it isn in your example
JulienKerlero: I'll look more into it
aCat: euler #5 :-)
aCat: bu, 6
eulerscheZahl: i still have no clue what i'm doing
struct: -_-
aCat: that is the whole point of heuristic bist :joy_cat:
eulerscheZahl: usually i have a bigger plan when i reach top10 at this point of the contest. but i'm just trowing in random conditions
aCat: *bots
eulerscheZahl: i'm growing optimism about legend. keeping up with the tradition
aCat: :+1:
eulerscheZahl: boss selection is now automated btw
aCat: reall?
struct: if you are 5th now you probably already made it
aCat: what conditions - nth leaderboard?
eulerscheZahl: they plan bot games as community events. with higher leagues for games such as connect4 and vindinium
struct: I would say like 50 at worse
aCat: they used to changed some bot behaviors / make it deterministic, etc
eulerscheZahl: so they need a boss picker not to do it manually
aCat: yeah, ok, but for contests
struct: My c4 bot can be the boss I dont mind
struct: As long as its not public
aCat: like noone checks what AI chose? ;p
eulerscheZahl: still a human looking over it for the contest (check fr chat)
aCat: ok
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a809e009-7c74-4a17-abd5-f67df9a769d5
struct: Just add a killswitch during the contest
struct: in case it gets chosen as the boss
eulerscheZahl: i had that for botg to see how stable recalc is
eulerscheZahl: only activated it after my submit to see how far it climbs
eulerscheZahl: ended below my true potential. but probably a bad game to test this
rcrl: Hello, does someone already encountered such an issue ? https://www.codingame.com/replay/626300452
rcrl: Frame 89 to 93, spider 55 get off the map in negative coordinates (y) and then come back 2 frames after
blasterpoard: feature, not a bug
rcrl: May you explain please ? We're lost :(
LaurensD: random respawn I assume?
rcrl: Nope, it still have the same ID and same health
blasterpoard: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/blob/9c319c4a37d98c4153aa1049bcbcc918cd85c290/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Referee.java#L498
LaurensD: oh
LaurensD: indeed it's bordered stuck there
blasterpoard: if you look at insideMap() function, it removes only spiders that are 800 units away from the border
rcrl: Oh god damn THANKS
Kokoz: quick question guys, if I beat the boss I move to gold or I have to beat all other players?
Because I beat the boss but I am still silver
LaurensD: always nice, that the bases are random. I always forget to test it for those two bases lol
LaurensD: Think it's random in 'test in arena' battle, not sure though Play my code I did beat the boss multiple times
Kokoz: 95% of the time I beat the boss 3-0, and the other 5% I beat him 3-1
Yozamu: Hi, is there a way to know what is tested when you submit ? Like just to know the inputs in some way, so we can detect errors
Kokoz: But I guess I need to beat other players first, because I am 590 silver rank now
Quidome: It is not about beating the boss but ranking higher
Miki09: yeah
Kokoz: I thought that too, but wanted to make sure. Thanks
LaurensD: Got a new profile picture, what do you guys think? explains me correctly.
LaurensD: Got a new profile picture, what do you guys think? it explains me correctly.
LaurensD: seems like there is no edit feature, my bad
LaurensD: @kokoz when you look at the leaderbord, the boss 4 is between 19 and 20 I think you will have to pass that rank
trictrac: #thales
Wizard-Dude: Quick question, how would I find the information of my third hero? Like the x, y shieldLife and so on?
LaurensD: the heroes are included when you read the entities
Wizard-Dude: for me whenever I error out whenever I hit an entity with type = 0 nothing happens?
LaurensD: Type you can select what you need,your heroes, enemy herioes, monsters etc
Wizard-Dude: I mean type = 1
LaurensD: perhaps you are missing something?
LaurensD: oh
LaurensD: that's odd, what error are you getting?
Wizard-Dude: not an error, I am trying to error out whenever I get an entity with type = 1 so I can see igf I can even find one.
Wizard-Dude: oh, found the problem I was reading the input before the scan
LaurensD: :clap:
actualCoderTrevor: Earlier I saw someone mentioning log4j2 errors with brutaltester and how to fix them. Does anyone know the fix?
actualCoderTrevor: (Is there any way to see chat history further back than what I have on my browser?)
_NikJ: I was mentioning it, I didn't manage to fix it, though I didn't even try really
_NikJ: Someone said you needed to revert to some other versiion
_NikJ: I believe 2.4.1 something like
actualCoderTrevor: Oh okay thanks. I'll let you know if I figure it out.
ebkeefe5: Boss 4 is using binary search trees to optimize bro that's why he's so good
eulerscheZahl: [citation needed]
Astrobytes: lol, some theory right there
Astrobytes: ah, guess I fixed my bug
actualCoderTrevor: _NikJ I fixed my issue with the referee by copying log4j2.properties from src/test/resources to src/main/resources.
Then I ran "mvn clean" & "mvn package" and it worked. YMMV of course.
actualCoderTrevor: For reference the issue I was seeing was a lot of console spam like "ERROR StatusLogger No log4j2 configuration file found. Using default configuration..."
_NikJ: I kept seeing smth like some java class not found inside log4j
actualCoderTrevor: Might not be the same issue you were having.
_NikJ: But I believe it was in brutaltester, not referee
actualCoderTrevor: Oh okay nvm then :(
karirafn: Can somebody explain this to me:
I calculate the x coordinate of the center of the map as 8815, I send one of my heroes there and he is in the center but his x coordinate is constantly changing even though he just sits in the center and it is always less than the canter and his MOVE command is telling him to go to the center the whole game...
karirafn: MOVE 8815 4500 M1
BJD: can you show a replay?
karirafn: https://www.codingame.com/replay/626424356
karirafn: the condition for the move command is:
if (Game.MapCenter.X - 1000 > hero.Position.X)
Aramang: he looks to be standing still, are you reading position from the right hero?
karirafn: says id is 1
Aramang: id should be 2 fro that guy
Aramang: its the third line in your output
karirafn: you're right
karirafn: but I parse the id from the input
karirafn: are those not in the same order?
karirafn: ah I think I know what's wrong, the array is probably not ordered
karirafn: :D
karirafn: No I was calling them in the wrong order
Joe0: is it against the rules in CoC to search stuff via google/stack-overflow/"the documentations"/etc. to find out how to do something necessary to solve the challenge?
karirafn: thanks :D
5DN1L: Joe0 No, it's not against the rules
Joe0: 5DN1L Thanks!
5DN1L: :)
Joe0: if i copy and paste code from stack-overflow will it violate either codingame's license on my code or stack-overflows?
Astrobytes: no
Joe0: ok
eulerscheZahl: about violating stackoverflow license: that's a tricky question actually (not that anyone would ever find out)
eulerscheZahl: but any code can be on stackoverflow, it doesn't even have to be the original source of it
Astrobytes: yeah I guess the technicalities lie on their side, regarding if what people put on there is under some specific license or not
Astrobytes: *is from code that is under said license
eulerscheZahl: for my regular job i'm highly discouraged from taking stackoverflow code. in the score of CG i don't see it that critical
Astrobytes: Yeah, for any commercial use I would not risk that whatsoever. For a clash, I think otherwise.
eulerscheZahl: 99.9% of the code there are just fine. but big companies (understandably) have some paranoia
Scarfield: clash action law suit
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Astrobytes: Very well played Scarfield!
Scarfield: :)
eulerscheZahl: hm, a clash suit or a slap suit? :thinking:
eulerscheZahl: did you see john oliver's musical about it?
Astrobytes: I did not
_NikJ: Big big companies also have their own platforms, libs etc, so you can rarely find anything useless on SO at that point :D
eulerscheZahl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN8bJb8biZU&ab_channel=LastWeekTonight
start at 20:40
or watch the whole thing if you have time
Astrobytes: I'll save it for relaxing time later and watch the whole thing, can't go wrong with John Oliver thanks :)
eulerscheZahl: it's an entire musical about insulting one guy
Astrobytes: lol, sounds good to me
Astrobytes: man these submits are annoyingly slow
sidproo: man
sidproo: hey yall
sidproo: wait
eulerscheZahl: only 2h. was much worse when i was new to CG
sidproo: chat is there??
sidproo: man codin game is updated
Astrobytes: true, it's just annoying is all
eulerscheZahl: it always was, you just unlocked the chat
eulerscheZahl: by reaching level3
sidproo: imma go clash of code
Astrobytes: to celebrate?
BrunoFelthes: if my hero use a control or a shield, at a unit, he do the damage too?
Q12: Is it just me or the site is slow?
Astrobytes: Contest time. It's slow
Q12: Not as usual, even in the contest
Astrobytes: it'll pass
Q12: I hope, I barely manage to PLAY MY CODE
Westicles: this contest is more peasant friendly than normal
Astrobytes: "peasant friendly" :D
_NikJ: I like it, but that's because I'm a peasant
therealbeef: this contest is so cheesable. every league reached with more disgusting lolcode cheese
Astrobytes: always the same in games favouring if-else-spaghetti
Astrobytes: gotta out-cheese the cheese
struct: I dont know why but I struggle a lot in this game
struct: Maybe because usually I rely on sim and speed
Astrobytes: yeah, you barely use eval functions
struct: that ands ifs
Astrobytes: or struggle with finding good ones rather
Astrobytes: amounts to the same thing heuristically speaking
blasterpoard: I now have 2 copycats in top10, but if I optimize against them, people will see how to correctly play against me as well... guess it's finally hiding time from now on
struct: Just wait until those that havent submited yet show up
Astrobytes: yeah, I feel there may be a few
blasterpoard: oh wait, there's actually 3 already
_NikJ: I've seen 3-4 going up high and then dropping to bottom immediately, hiding for sure
TobiasA: i'm actually curious to see their strategy
kovi: blaster - nice trick to hide that you will player 3def in the end...
blasterpoard: kovi how about 3attack instead?
k4ng0u: blasterpoard I guess you are now the meta xD
blasterpoard: objective achieved
BrunoFelthes: 3 attack from the middle of the arena
blasterpoard: BrunoFelthes someone has to do it, with 4x wind
kovi: too bad there is no control-wind
k4ng0u: what makes it impressive is to manage to recover when you don't manage to one shot the opponent. Here for instance gaha uses 3 attackers and become out of mana in an almost winning position: https://www.codingame.com/replay/626415795
blasterpoard: well, that is a very 1-dimensional bot
MindController: Same as yours, no?
blasterpoard: and it's only 3wind, not 4wind
struct: all you need is 6 winds
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/624292360
_NikJ: I have that replay in my bookmarks
blasterpoard: MindController I sometimes recover even after running out of mana... it's a bit less hardcoded
MindController: blasterpoard all I see is that double wind tech
Waffle3z: why am I in 160th now, my rank stabilized in like 350th when I submitted
Astrobytes: in case you didn't notice, the leaderboards are not currently stable :D
k4ng0u: MindController not really blasterpoard has some mechanics that enables him to still sustain the battle even when the opponent is very annoying https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/626385949
it's not just about gather mobs and double wind
MindController: k4ng0u Man, Im joking
blasterpoard: well, control is bugged in this version, offensive shield is just bad and defender is copied from my #1000 bot, so... not much to see
blasterpoard: well, I've been thinking about shielding enemy heroes, because I yeet them to the base together with the spiders and then I don't win
blasterpoard: so that will probably happen, together with defender rewrite, and some adapting to opponent's strategy
Westicles: hmmm, well that guy who hacked the rng is gonna beat you all
kovi: is it already hacked?
Westicles: dunno, just some guy was talking about it alot
struct: I doubt it will happen
struct: But what do I know
Scarfield: still fog, while it would be helpful, its not gonna win in and of itself
struct: There wouldnt be fog for spiders Scarfield and a lot more stuff
Scarfield: control
Scarfield: so there still is a certainty level of spider position
Scarfield: *uncertainty
kovi: it is for spawn only
therealbeef: i think he was nonsensing
kovi: but it would definitely be huge advantage
kovi: and untolerable :)
struct: how can you even hack the rng when spawns are generated as doubles but given as ints
Scarfield: you can say a lot on the internet :p
struct: Sure it might be possible
Scarfield: "im smart"
HiImEnvy: Guys, I'm confused about the control, if 2 heroes control the same entity, which will be prioritized ?
Counterbalance: neither
LaurensD: median I think
Counterbalance: both apply, then the average outcome is taken
Scarfield: "If an entity is being moved via a CONTROL from multiple sources at once, it will move to the average of all computed destinations. "
struct: and this average is based not on output I tried to output large values to see if it was maxed or not
therealbeef: it's truncated per vector before averaging
SmartTrash: hello world
kiruax: Hello do you have a site like that for VHDL or Verilog plz ?
geppoz: "the average of all computed destinations" means that first truncate the indicated destinations to speed radius, then the average is calculated, correct?
geppoz: so no difference if one indicates a near or far control point in same direction, the effect should be the same
geppoz: right?
therealbeef: if it's too near, it doesn't get extended to max move distance
therealbeef: you can stop a spider with control
therealbeef: although if the vector is zero, it doesn't overwrite the existing velocity
geppoz: example: spider at (x,y), one controls at (x+400,y), the other controls at (x,y+8000), the spider will move at 45°
therealbeef: yes
therealbeef: but if the first is at (x+200,y), it won't be 45 degrees
geppoz: right. first all commands truncated, then averaged
geppoz: question: if you receive a flag "controlled" on your hero, in that turn there is no difference in whatever you output for that hero
geppoz: anything will be ignored, right?
Gnarco: right
Tiramon: hm after reprioritizing some actions i win against the boss with 200 mana more instead of 100 mana less
could be my solution ;)
surgutti: when legend league will open?
Waffle3z: already over 1000 in gold
[ProPTIT]_samachienhoa: abc
LaurensD: 22 hours from now likely
pmor: Did the gold boss change? I went to bed in silver with no hope in beating it and I wake up in gold today
actualCoderTrevor: Are hero id's consistent? Blue will always be 0,1,2 and red will always be 3, 4, 5?
andrefpoliveira: Same @pmor
Nerchio: actualCoderTrevor yeah
actualCoderTrevor: Thanks Nerchio
HarryYo: anybody here who can help me understand a question?
badradsuperbrad: a question: an interrogative statement intended to derive information or a solution
HarryYo: it's from my college but can't understand what it asks me to do
badradsuperbrad: ;p
HarryYo: loll
Scarfield: just ask your question, maybe you will get help. dont ask to ask :)
HarryYo: ok cool
HarryYo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/2deb50ce-8fcb-45d8-8783-208a63bd28a3
andyyyyy: How did i get promoted while i was away?
HarryYo: Cz you're a good boy
struct: so its just to implement it?
5DN1L: HarryYo I think it's asking what variables you need and what types those variables should be
badradsuperbrad: Both the boss and your bot continue to play in the arena, iiuc. tributes, so to speak. ;)
HarryYo: Ahh i see
CherryFalcon: guys what do i do what i cant initialize min and max to the first item in an array
CherryFalcon: i dont have limits
badradsuperbrad: so both the boss and your bot can move up/down depending on how things go, andyyyy.
andyyyyy: my super advanced algorithm was simply chasing the monsters that are closest to my base
Joe0: was that intended?
andyyyyy: It worked for a while until the wind got added
Joe0: or was it a side-effect of the 'advanced'ness
andyyyyy: I just had all 3 of my dudes run around and attack the monsters closest to my base
Nerchio: the lag on this site is unreal
andyyyyy: because there's a billion resources to look good
andyyyyy: better than a static site where you have to download your own testcases
struct: its fine for me Nerchio
struct: even with chat open as a mod
andyyyyy: the site looks amazing tbh, I only found it the other day
Nerchio: well can't disagree with that andyyyyy
nalka0: I think around turn 50 is a good definition of being stubborn : https://www.codingame.com/replay/626534671
dbf: anyone submitted recently, is it really ~2 hours are required for full submit?
Murat_Eroglu: yes unfortunately
Maldo: In Silver it lasts long
Q12: if I shield monster in the same turn that the opponent wind her will the shield block the wind?
Maldo: I thought it might be leeague dependent, because that is when it started
Q12: It seems it will from the instructions
Maldo: SHIELD spells are applied to the targets and will only be effective on the next turn, after the next batch of commands. Does not protect from a spell from this same turn.
Q12: thanks
Maldo: RTFM :)
andyyyyy: Has anyone done the mars lander problem? How am I suppose to tell what the flat land is
Vancothis: Any idea of how are calculated the move for the heroes ? like, if destination is further than 800 away
Astrobytes: dbf: almost 4 hours from silver submit to gold and I'm at 4% in gold
Astrobytes: *48%
andyyyyy: oh never mind I think I got it
struct: This contest shows me I dont know math
yhyoxx: did they change silver boss to an easier one, cuz i couldnt beat it yesterday and i find myself in gold now
Astrobytes: no you were pushed
yhyoxx: pity ?
yhyoxx: i see
Astrobytes: as in pushed above the boss points-wise by battles with others
yhyoxx: interesting
yhyoxx: thanks
Astrobytes: np
jacek: you can be weaker than boss but better than players below him
jacek: or above
Tuo: also ppl proply develop vs the boss and accidentally end up optimizing against it
eulerscheZahl: and that's why you never want your bot to be chosen as boss
aCat: meaning downgrade your bot, and resubmit whenboss appear ;p
aCat: (or sometime before)
eulerscheZahl: if everyone does that, we even get a weaker boss
_NikJ: server still dedek?
raxkin: Mmm, anyone can check this replay, frame 15 and 16. why monster 13 does not get attacked?
https://www.codingame.com/replay/626577418
raxkin: 15
raxkin: At frame 15 it get hit, and at frame 16, even if the ire is more close, it does not get hit????
struct: you move and then check radius
struct: then spiders move
struct: You are problaly trying to attack after spiders move
struct: but you should do it before
raxkin: Ohh, i see. I was tring to optimize the pathing by figuring next moves of spiders
raxkin: Make sense thanks
blackhat_90: andyyyy: You can create a vector of the land_y and land_x values, then iterate over the values and find two same-consecutive values for land_y.
S3v3vn: hi, to passe to new league should i finish the first one in the league or just more than tne boss
_NikJ: resubmitted the exact same code by accident and I'm losing every single game now, wth
andyyyyy: @blackhat_90 thanks I figured it out right after I asked the question lol
blackhat_90: yw, Im doing the same MarsLander ep2 myself
jacek: andyyyyy :duck:
MichExpatMatt: I haven't edited my code in at least 2 days, but in silver I've gone up 700 in rank in as much time, meanwhile my leaderboard score is kinda fluctuating but currently up by .81 in as much time
Counterbalance: you probably dropped 500 as 1200+ made it to gold
MichExpatMatt: Yeah I figure that's probably close to the mark
MichExpatMatt: I know of two big weaknesses on my bot from watching replays, just haven't been tweaking it or adding complexity
wlesavo: damn i failed my ultimate goal, which was not to track anything in the fog
eulerscheZahl: i just realized how powerful the multi-wind is. i don't even get the bug in input for a final turn to defend it
eulerscheZahl: instantly from outside of my base to health loss
eulerscheZahl: somehow i thought i could place a goalkeeper and push it back
Dapps: yeah i still haven't found a good defense for it
eulerscheZahl: also: i'm still within your goal wlesavo
eulerscheZahl: no fog tracker
eulerscheZahl: bullshit factor is strong with this one. way easier to code than to defend
blasterpoard: you can scout further away from the base, you can attack before the timing push, you can doublewind the attackers, ...
wlesavo: I even have a big bonus in eval for insta wind goal, but with one pusher it is not very effective
blasterpoard: just delay it and you win
eulerscheZahl: i know that i can. it just annoys me
blasterpoard: because when a bot is setting up the push, it doesn't farm mana
eulerscheZahl: pointless extra effort
wotroe: :monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :monkey: :monkey:
struct: dont spam
Tiramon: oh nice submit start 9/10 won ;)
wlesavo: i think i have to track hunters if i want to adjust strategy based on the opponent strategy, i struggle very hard against 3 defence
_NikJ: Tiramon, meanwhile I accidentally submitted the exact same code that landed me 300th in gold and now I'm at 1000th losing 9/10 battles, how does that happen lol
wlesavo: this will be a heuristic which decide how to combine my MCs together, trully heuristically guided search :smiley:
eulerscheZahl: same, i just wait for legend and hope that 3 defenders won't be a thing
struct: Im about to do heuristics smitsimax
wlesavo: im afraid there wont be a legend for me if ill not find what to do about it
eulerscheZahl: any opponent you struggle against? curious if my attacker succeeds
blasterpoard: https://www.codingame.com/replay/626601461 eulerscheZahl this is the most annoying turtlebot right now
blasterpoard: as far as I know
wlesavo: anyway i also want to sim an opp to some extent, without tracking this sim breaks my defence
struct: So are you going to sim opponent attacker only?
eulerscheZahl: that's some nasty defense
wlesavo: im only simming opp defence for now, thats works ok even without tracking
eulerscheZahl: even with 2 attackers it won't be easy
Whiskee: why does "send parameters to ide" give me a completely different match with the same code? Doesn't always happen, but often enough
Whiskee: I appreciate that some bots use random, but what's the point if the seed gets lost?
Astrobytes: switch from AUTO to MANUAL
struct: maybe you or your opponent are not deterministic
blasterpoard: it's good that these people can't climb
eulerscheZahl: left: settings => expert mode
struct: you will rarely be able to reproduce matches if opponent has random
wlesavo: yeah, i struggle against even worse than the one blaster sugested
eulerscheZahl: https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/replays/reproduce/
if you want to hardcode your opponent
Whiskee: "random" always involves a seed somewhere though
struct: well too bad opponent seed can be random too
Whiskee: pretty pointless if I can't debug what was happening from the console
struct: I see your point, instead of getting the game another game is played
eulerscheZahl: in the past i sometimes made my bot a little random on purpose to make it harder for others to debug vs me
struct: The best way is to make them bench against old ais, just make it select any of them randomly
Tiramon: hm ok after 19 games around 530 ... thats much better than the previous 800-900 ... i hope i make it to gold that way
Wontonimo: big brain, my bot is bad on purpose to make it harder for others to debug vs me
Whiskee: well that's a strat
Wontonimo: 4.5 days left of this eh? Don't know if I'm going to be able to find the time to place well
Astrobytes: 4.5 days should be enough time for your submit to finish at least
Wontonimo: lol
Tiramon: atleast with a bit of luck ...
Astrobytes: I'm almost at 5 hours now
jacek: :sleeping:
Tiramon: hey 23 games in 17 minutes ... not that bad ...
Whiskee: I'm actually surprised that the load is this high. Last year was MUCH more computationally intensive with all the sims
Tiramon: in 1-2h i should reach 100%
Whiskee: most bots now are just winging it with heuristics
Astrobytes: Tiramon: my 5 hours was silver to gold
struct: Just do 1 submit to legend
struct: it works
Astrobytes: so if you hit gold it'll be a while again, though gold is a lil faster than silver was earlier that's for sure
struct: :)
Astrobytes: lol, is that your plan again struct
struct: no
Tiramon: my primary goal is still to reach gold ... everything above that is just nice to have
struct: I just cant code
struct: dont know why
yhyoxx: same
Astrobytes: It took me a monumental effort to force myself to fix my code
struct: I never coded heuristic bots
struct: only fantastic bits and that was a long time ago
wlesavo: so you are noot a true AI programmer
IvesL: i like fantastic bits
_NikJ: by far my favourite of all :D
Astrobytes: lol wlesavo
IvesL: really enjoy it
jacek: whats the new name of it
IvesL: what flyer
Astrobytes: er.. broomstick flyers...
struct: broomstick flyers
jacek: why would they change it oO
IvesL: they said copyrights
Astrobytes: Especially to such a shamefully bad name
struct: fantastic beasts
jacek: is fantastic copyrighted?
jacek: i would have never guessed
_NikJ: but it's bits
struct: Neither would I
_NikJ: doesn't explain why many other got renamed too
wlesavo: struct oh, i didnt even get that reference
_NikJ: BUT
_NikJ: my theory is that they changed all old names so that people can't so easily "google" the solutions and just copy paste them too boost their profiles?
IvesL: lmao
Tiramon: 22% and 290 ... i'm hopefull it might be enough
IvesL: all those were from movies
IvesL: but i do prefer to old names
Astrobytes: _Nikj: no it was to prevent any corporate lawsuits due to the takeover by CoderPad, a US firm
IvesL: new names lack creativity
struct: at least comunity contributions fall under a different license
Astrobytes: Yeah
_NikJ: Oh, the typical butthurt US
Astrobytes: :rofl:
jacek: 5%ware?
Astrobytes: afk a bit
_NikJ: I wouldn't be surprised if I saw a lawsuit, parent suing their child for "stealing" their last name - COPYRIGHT B**
Westicles: my balls clashes are gonna be the centerpiece when they do the IPO
IvesL: anyone played the code certification thing?
struct: yes
_NikJ: I just saw my bot use control on 5 mobs, pushed them all to enemy spawn, then turns around, uses wind on enemy and pushes all of those monsters away too xd
IvesL: is it always >99%?
_NikJ: IvesL it's ridiculously easy, pretty much like any clash
struct: well mine was
_NikJ: IvesL no, you have to "ace" it, you need 100% on all 3-5 tasks
struct: I got max score and only 99%
IvesL: i dont have max, i lose few points
_NikJ: but if you mean does it every say 100%, no, it's always > 99%
IvesL: but 99
IvesL: so i wonder what would be lower than that
struct: if they want to save db calls they can just >= 0% then
jacek: welp https://i.imgur.com/JctQL4H.png
eulerscheZahl: you can score less than 99%?
struct: Jacek can
IvesL: whats your score report
UndercoverToad: i can beat that
https://www.codingame.com/profile/2606412cefc02cbda447c2ff8b7ec40d2316234
dbf: eulerscheZahl you still don't like the game after being in top-10? :)
eulerscheZahl: i have some objections
IvesL: <1% or 0% is obviously quitting
44AA44: https://playfreeminecraft.farted.net
_NikJ: actually, it's possible to "fail". It happened to me that all proposed test cases were a success, but then 1 validator failed. The REASON it failed was because I used int instead of long long. Which is kinda dumb, because it passed the testcase, but oh well :D
IvesL: just curious how things work behind
struct: _NikJ but thats actually fair
struct: you must read the statement
struct: and check constraints
Westicles: only one more approval needed for start-up multi
eulerscheZahl: i did the same mistake a few years ago at codejam. int overflow...
eulerscheZahl: link Westicles?
_NikJ: ever since then, #define ll long long
Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/998231d7345f64f703ab701a8b75235ea6ff
struct: What is this original stuff?
struct: Am I allowed to make contributions of non existing stuff?
jacek: why there are some many french in the lb oO
eulerscheZahl: UI of that game could take some love
eulerscheZahl: won't read the task now, cat is yelling
IvesL: definitely
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/replay/626631196
it's enough to stop one to stop them all
fcil: hi
fcil: can i see school members ?
avdg: if they add themselves to the same group, yes
fcil: yes, they added it, but I can only see online ones. :/
_NikJ: how do I keep an enemy away from my spawn with wind without wasting 300 mana in 0.1s :thinking:
SonByrne: Anybody keep getting this message:
"Warning: your code did not read all available input before printing an instruction, your outputs will not be synchronized with the game's turns and unexpected behaviour may occur."
struct: happens if you output before reading all inputs
struct: or if you output more than 3 times per turn
SonByrne: Okay, it's probably the latter.
patito107: hola
tomatelate: holaaa
SonByrne: I figured that the first one was what it was complaining about but I never changed the code to execute a command before an input.
corentin: Hey guys, quick question: can a hero send a shield spell on itself?
JohnyDaison: yes
corentin: I suppose a hero cannot shield hitself while is_controlled is 1 right?
corentin: *itself
Nerchio: An error occurred (#314): "Submitted code is too big".
Nerchio: they lowered the allowed amount? i have 1900 lines
SirLoxley: had the same. it's usually true :-) check if your code exceeds 100k ... if yes, time to trim comments, spaces ...
Nerchio: 72k chars
SirLoxley: just submitted 92k
Nerchio: I mean i could probably trim like 600 lines but too lazy
struct: it used to be 100k
Astrobytes: golf time
Nerchio: ok i reached 100k
Nerchio: looked at wrong file
Nerchio: oh well
SirLoxley: it's crazy how big these codebases get so quickly.
Nerchio: i was coding while tired so i did a lot of copying lol
Counterbalance: after 5 hours my submit is almost done...
struct: that bad?
Counterbalance: aye
PatrickMcGinnisII: hpw did gold get so big?
Astrobytes: yes I had the same earlier Counterbalance
TobiasA: lol my rank is the same as the number of lines in my code:joy:
VizGhar: PatrickMcGinnisII because whole silver is way too random
struct: They probably didnt add more servers this time
TobiasA: maybe I use a one liner bot i'll get to 1st place
PatrickMcGinnisII: I went to sleep for like 15 hours, and dropped 700 places
VizGhar: Never EVER go to sleep again
Astrobytes: ^
Astrobytes: until legend at least
VizGhar: Astro... my student is better in ranking than me... what should I do? :D
Astrobytes: encourage him/her :D
SirLoxley: grading time or not/
Astrobytes: cause that's awesome :D
SirLoxley: But yeah, it's awesome
VizGhar: Yeah well... I somehow told them, that if somebody win against me I'll buy him laptop :D
Astrobytes: hahaha, that's even more awesome!
jacek: report him and ban
VizGhar: with such huge leauges he will get to legend
Astrobytes: hehehe, careful what you promise them in future :rofl:
VizGhar: I dont have nerves to infinitely polish heuristic bot
VizGhar: hate it actually...
Astrobytes: it's tiresome, very true
jacek: infinitely polish eh
SirLoxley: still a couple of days left. But maybe start discussing laptop models :-)
actualCoderTrevor: VizGhar I found one you can buy him https://www.walmart.com/ip/Acer-Chromebook-C720-2103-11-6-Intel-Celeron-2955U-1-4GHz-2GB-16GB-SSD-Gray-Refurbished-Scratches/894594605?athcpid=894594605&athpgid=AthenaItempage&athcgid=null&athznid=siext&athieid=v0&athstid=CS055&athguid=5rA7LAN7P9U8Pk9TuHBu0AVajOJE_6iFoQlw&athancid=null&athposb=0&athena=true :laughing:
actualCoderTrevor: Apologies for the long URL
VizGhar: LOL tnx :D
**PatrickMcGinnisII pukes
LaurensD: laptop* no one said it had to be a functional one
VizGhar: He won't compete ever again
SirLoxley: Still awesome, you managed to instill desire in your students. Pay up and be proud
LaurensD: can be a sticker of a laptop
PatrickMcGinnisII: bragging rights worth more than laptop
PatrickMcGinnisII: mimic blasterpoards bot, worst case scenario, lol
Tiramon: 78% and rank 26 looks good, even if it won't be enough today i guess i get pushed up by tomorrow
Westicles: go to twitch and break out the OCR
jacek: huh
PatrickMcGinnisII: i guess a streamer is working on a sim in PY in french
struct: Why?
Westicles: xurei is gold c++
PatrickMcGinnisII: er maybe it's no PY
Snitchblasta_s: Привет, американцы, я вижу, все здесь пытаются программировать.
Astrobytes: who are you calling american
VizGhar: everybody not russian apparently
cegprakash: Why Illedan is hiding his bot
PatrickMcGinnisII: nah, we Americans just need a break from strip clubs, gun ranges, and tattoo parlors
Astrobytes: he isn't, he's away for a few days
Astrobytes: @ceg
**PatrickMcGinnisII "Here hold my beer"
struct: English in chat please
jacek: omelette du fromage
Snitchblasta_s: Хорошо
avdg: hmm me totally confused about subtracting squared values... fun parts of math...
Astrobytes: math... not even once! :P
avdg: well, I solved it, now I should enjoy my bot that plays in the arena I guess
avdg: it has a bit more attacking ability
avdg: hmm I guess I suddenly understand it again when I don't need it anymore...
Snitchblasta_s: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/460122d5-97bc-4635-b901-08baaba402b6
Astrobytes: struct
struct: done
jacek: so classy
Astrobytes: thanks :)
wlesavo: and so fast =)
PatrickMcGinnisII: My Motherland is itching
wlesavo: nothing from my recent additions works, 3 or 4 ideas make it straight worse. the best addition is the heuristic i stole from euler
Astrobytes: PatrickMcGinnisII: I think there's an ointment for that
PatrickMcGinnisII: Dr. struct's Gold Bond
Chief117: Hola, como estan?
struct: Chief117, english in this chat please
Chief117: ok, my friend
VizGhar: you are making friends with ease struct :)
Darleanow: hello every1
Darleanow: where id 5dn1l
Abdi-29: hello
VizGhar: he's in bed, sick you all :D
Kasparas: I love Kos-Boss defensive strategy :D
Kasparas: if anyone needs to test their attacks, Kos-Boss bot is the best!
Kos-Boss: :grinning:
Kos-Boss: Glad you like it
Kasparas: I am tuning my also against yours but still can't find a way to beat you consistently, that defence is solid!
Kasparas: my algo*
Kos-Boss: I'm working on some attacking strategies, but I'll not submit it to let you train a bit longer :upside_down:
Kasparas: sounds like a plan! :sunglasses: See you in Gold league!
Kos-Boss: yeah! Good luck!
Kasparas: :raised_hands_tone1:
LaurensD: rank 81 and at 40%, looks promising!
Nerchio: sick
actualCoderTrevor: Awesome, my NN bot "works" https://www.codingame.com/replay/626739984
That's just with random weights though :blush:
TobiasA: that's so cool I hope it works out. I like watching complicated things "work"
Whatar: Congratulation :thumbsup:
VizGhar: now to train it
jacek: :tada:
actualCoderTrevor: Thanks!
Yeah the training will be tricky :thinking:
Murat_Eroglu: nice
jacek: neuroevolution ftw
avdg: neurolution
VizGhar: actualCoderTrevor hope you will squeeze weights enough
VizGhar: the characer limit is... limiting
actualCoderTrevor: Yeah that's a good point VizGhar. I figured there was no way to know except to try.
msumera: is it possible here to make it learn by playing against other players?
actualCoderTrevor: Not that I can figure out :upside_down:
elderlybeginner: boss4 seems to be weaker then yesterdays
actualCoderTrevor: But I can test it offline with brutalteseter
VizGhar: nah... you have to let self train it... alpha zero style
actualCoderTrevor: I will surpass alpha zero with an implementation I'm calling "alpha less than one™"
actualCoderTrevor: Methodology TBD
Kukiss: https://www.codingame.com/replay/626751859
wlesavo, cool play there at frame 58, avoiding my wind, pulling back and taking a spider with you to my base
Whatar: how did he know that you were about to wind?
Kukiss: I don't know :grimacing:
struct: very nice
ClockSort: I get "Bad Command" after I use this:
MOVE 8052 4650
MOVE 7124 5449
SPELL WIND 17629 8999
ClockSort: is there something wrong with my wind command? Are you not allowed to wind far away?
struct: No
Whatar: seems ok to me
VizGhar: ClockSort no mana?
Whatar: no mana doesn't mean bad command
ClockSort: "Game Summary:
Bad command"
ClockSort: https://www.codingame.com/replay/626762150
Whatar: weird
Whatar: wait are you in wood?
ClockSort: my output on the final turn is:
MOVE 6903 5654
MOVE 7040 5230
SPELL WIND 17629 8999
Whatar: there are no spells in wood
ClockSort: oh lol
ClockSort: yeah i'm in wood
WannaBeHum1n: guys
WannaBeHum1n: i got gold
ClockSort: thanks Whatar
WannaBeHum1n: out of nowhere
ClockSort: congrats WannaBeHum1n!
WannaBeHum1n: i was rank 50
WannaBeHum1n: or smth
Whatar: good job
WannaBeHum1n: did something change ?
Whatar: maybe the bot got beaten a bunch of times
WannaBeHum1n: ty ClockSort
WannaBeHum1n: no
WannaBeHum1n: i was 50 in SILVER
WannaBeHum1n: under the boss
yhyoxx: just cg boosting morale for hardstuck silvers
WannaBeHum1n: now i get mail i am in gold
Astrobytes: you were pushed above the boss
yhyoxx: 50 is good enough iwas 500 and got promoted
WannaBeHum1n: thnx cg gods
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/626765679 it's indeed hard to kill Kos-Boss
WannaBeHum1n: but now i am tortured in gold xD
Kasparas: thanks for the replay cegprakash, that was awesome to watch :D
avdg: hmm wonder how much worse my bot is
WannaBeHum1n: cegprakash
WannaBeHum1n: can i suggest smth ?
HoriMiyamura: Hello guys
HoriMiyamura: do you guys know when will legend league open?
struct: tomorrow?
HoriMiyamura: where is the schedule?
avdg: https://clist.by/standings/spring-challenge-2022-34341526/
avdg: a bit more than half a day
Astrobytes: Official schedule is missing, since it was simply a unix timestamp
HoriMiyamura: thank you
sasieightynine: wow, TIE https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/626773989
avdg: how much wild mana each?
Astrobytes: 816
avdg: intense
WannaBeHum1n: me barely squeezes in gold
Tuo: i also had one Tie https://www.codingame.com/replay/625823635
with nice scores :)
WannaBeHum1n: lets 1vs1 top 1 player in gold
WannaBeHum1n: xD
WannaBeHum1n: GUYS
WannaBeHum1n: ERGENT QUESTION
WannaBeHum1n: URGENT*
WannaBeHum1n: does wind stack up
WannaBeHum1n: ?
WannaBeHum1n: like if apply 2 winds same turn
Astrobytes: Yes.
WannaBeHum1n: do i get double range
Astrobytes: Yes.
Astrobytes: Have you missed the past couple of days?
WannaBeHum1n: i am mid exams
Astrobytes: Aha
WannaBeHum1n: so i kinda think of ideas
WannaBeHum1n: in class
Astrobytes: Much more important
WannaBeHum1n: code them
WannaBeHum1n: put test in areana
WannaBeHum1n: sleep
WannaBeHum1n: check rank tomorow
Astrobytes: makes sense
WannaBeHum1n: any op stuff i should know
WannaBeHum1n: is 2 attackers the way
WannaBeHum1n: ,
WannaBeHum1n: cuz i just got missiles lauched
Astrobytes: Watch some replays is what I'd advise
WannaBeHum1n: to my base
WannaBeHum1n: ok sir
WannaBeHum1n: ty Astrobytes
Astrobytes: np
Rysiu22: would I have a chance to get gold without Neural Network?
Astrobytes: yes
Noyotens: i got it with if statments
Astrobytes: likewise
WannaBeHum1n: i am in gold
WannaBeHum1n: bunch of ifs
WannaBeHum1n: and loops inside them
PatrickMcGinnisII: when you control, does it take the current vector and adjust it by the new vector... like my math is wrong
PatrickMcGinnisII: trying to predict where they are when they go invisible is kicking my buttocks
Rysiu22: aktualizuję kod, ale mam więcej strat. ok dzięki, spróbuję więcej
struct: English here please
Rysiu22: i update my code but i got more lose. ok thanks i will try more
Rysiu22: not this paste
Kasparas: git gud
PatrickMcGinnisII: ok answering my own question, but it appers because of the way it concats the vectors, the first turn it is controlled it combines the result...am i wrong?
struct: When you cast control
struct: This turn will be normal
struct: but on the next it will update vx and vy
struct: and start moving to that position you sent it to
PatrickMcGinnisII: ahh, my x,y are off by the old vector...i c
HoriMiyamura: do you guys know how can I save my opponent in my browser?
HoriMiyamura: it reset to boss after I turn off the browser.
Nerchio: u cant save i think
struct: maybe some js guy has a script for this
Astrobytes: correct
Astrobytes: hm, good point struct
HoriMiyamura: some guy...
Nerchio: the long side is broken in this game
Nerchio: just have to accept this i guess
struct: I have a script to remove Jacek from board games
HoriMiyamura: thanks, the current is still ok
struct: to feel better
HoriMiyamura: :D
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Noyotens: https://www.codingame.com/replay/626786627
Noyotens: where is the problem
Noyotens: ?
Tuo: maybe conserve/ farm more mana in the start, early winds dont really do anything
Tuo: then blast away later :)
bluecross: ^ unless u are Zylo who can in 44 turns
bluecross: *who can kill all 3 lives in 44 turns
Noyotens: @Tuo, id think so bc i always have enough mana
Noyotens: any advice to defence
Noyotens: better
Tuo: ah then im thinking too far ahead, just looking at mana always < 50. Later leagues a single proper attack or defense can cost well over 100 mana each
struct: Noyotens try to move to where you can intercept the spider
struct: instead of the coordinates its at
Noyotens: struct, OK
struct: Im not sure how much or if it will help at all
struct: but its worth a try
Samer: Noyotens I do what struct suggested, it works very well for defense
Samer: but mostly, you need to guard your base perimeter and use wind to cast spiders outside your base when needed
Samer: like in here: https://www.codingame.com/replay/626674841
struct: What rank are you Samer with that strategy?
Samer: still in silver rank 271, I've only implemented defense for now
Samer: defense only gets you this far
Zyk0: i'm defense only too 785 gold
Rikus: I got to gold with _just_ defense
Rikus: but it was pretty aggro on getting wild mana
Zyk0: Yeah same, I'm just a wild mana farmer + defender rn
Samer: then i'll be sure to check out your games guys
44AA44: Guys check this out lmao: https://playfreeminecraft.farted.net
Zyk0: not clicking
Astrobytes: No.
44AA44: Bruh
44AA44: do it
Astrobytes: struct
44AA44: ?
Zyk0: > do it
I'm getting convinced
struct: please coding related stuff
44AA44: I coded this website with HTML & JS
Astrobytes: go tell some web devs
struct: ok but dont link it here
44AA44: ;;(
ASM_MOV_INT: rofl
44AA44: Yay :)
44AA44: Thanks ASM
Tuo: "Ah, the exact center of the Atlantic Ocean. This seems like a logical place for spiders to congregate."
ASM_MOV_INT: I didn't click it, I was laughing at the treatment you got....!
Tuo: but it wasnt
44AA44: Oh ;;;;;(
44AA44: It would be funny if you clicked it
44AA44: Do it in incognito/vm if ur that scared
44AA44: I promise its funny
Astrobytes: sigh
Tuo: obv they spawn from sides so should farm there
ASM_MOV_INT: searching for a spare device I can risk....! rofl
ASM_MOV_INT: i'm at work
Ayza: doubt anyone would click a site called playfreeminecraft.farted sorry man
Astrobytes: Next tutorial: choosing a domain name
44AA44: agitated-tereshkova-37cec4.netlify.app
44AA44: Its literally just hosted on netlify
ASM_MOV_INT: put it on itch.io
Astrobytes: tell reddit or something
ASM_MOV_INT: loaded it on a spare tablet, but it doesn't do anything but show a minecraft load screen
Westicles: somebody help struct with his strategy
struct: ^
44AA44: ASM click the buttons
44AA44: https://playfreeminecraft.itch.io/playfreeminecraft
44AA44: there its on itch.io
struct: next one is a ban
Zyk0: Okay I checked your games struct, maybe after having gathered 75 mana like you did, you should ban 44AA44
Astrobytes: lol
44AA44: struct is a poo poo head
Astrobytes: Wowzers.
struct: :/
Astrobytes: Folks: it's the mildest troll on the internet
Zyk0: what is your strategy struct
cegprakash: i don't know if I can judge my bot as bad as it loses against my own buggy previous bot
struct: Zyk0 no strategy yet
struct: I think im going to try 3 defenders
struct: and farm outisde with them
Zyk0: Yeah that's a good start
I did that too at first, then realized I had a spare hero not required to defend, so I threw it farming but around enemy base
Zyk0: Hoping sharing spiders hp with enemy would make him farm less mana than me
struct: I see
Zyk0: You do not wind yet, right ?
struct: I do but its very weak
struct: my submission is like 2 ifs
Zyk0: Oh okay you do it only when it's hitting your base next turn, I was doing that at first
daffie: heroes do one point of damage to enemy base too?
struct: no
struct: heroes only hit spiders
daffie: has anyone tried?
struct: well yes
Tuo: that would make the game a sprint to enemy base :)
Zyk0: One issue, is that it makes your heroes walk back too far in base, so you lose vision around your base + you have to walk back outside + the mana you get from that spider isn't wild, so won't benefit end score
struct: My current goal is to not even let spiders inside the base radius
Zyk0: Yeah this is better already
Zyk0: You might want to let them in also, by one step
So that when pushing them out, they change direction randomly
Zyk0: I think it's the behavior right ?
struct: yes
Zyk0: I'm not too far from the things I just said btw, in my recent submission
Zyk0: I mean last
Still no attack
struct: you on gold?
Zyk0: Yeah, when it opened I got pushed straight to gold
Zyk0: I need to go, good luck!
struct: thanks
struct: and thanks for the tips
Zyk0: you're welcome!
Astrobytes: wow, JS almost #1
Astrobytes: don't see that too often
cegprakash: An error occurred (#407): "You reached the limit of plays for a period of time.".
Kasparas: nice
cegprakash: RIP testing
Astrobytes: cegprakash: take a rest for a bit, do some refactoring or whatever, it's really annoying but nothing we can do
cegprakash: games are too random with different seeds
cegprakash: can't find which bot is better
cegprakash: unable to judge lol
cegprakash: I'm using CG play button like brutal tester
Astrobytes: careful you don't get locked out for hours
struct: perks of being a mod
struct: you wont hit the limit
Astrobytes: yeah right :P
cegprakash: make me mod
cegprakash: till contest ends
cegprakash: I can pay
Astrobytes: :rofl:
cegprakash: how much for mod
Rikus: 14 mana
struct: I only have 2 commands cegprakash
struct: I can show them to you if you want :)
cegprakash: I know one of them
cegprakash: muting from chat..
cegprakash: coz I've been muted
struct: really?
struct: I dont know that one
Astrobytes: there used to be a js addon script that added a mute button
Astrobytes: used to use it when cyber punk was spamming
struct: I like my method better
Astrobytes: which is?
struct: ban
Astrobytes: oh lol, not a mod script, was just a user script a few years back
struct: I still use azkelas script
struct: despite it being a bit buggy now
struct: So that console output is bigger
Astrobytes: ah yeah, I liked that script
Astrobytes: my browser didn't
Astrobytes: alright, submission finished at 497th, that'll have t o do for tonight
struct: you are on gold too
struct: nice
Astrobytes: yeah submitted in silver about 3:30pm and finished about 5 hours later in gold
Astrobytes: get testing now while it's quiet
Astrobytes: anyway, gonna get some rest, gn
struct: gn
EvModder: is there a way to copy code from arena back into IDE?
EvModder: i messed something up and i can't figure out what lol
Samer: click on History
EvModder: thanks
Samer: you should see all the submissions to arena, and send to IDE
Psyho: history has all of your submissions
Psyho: (slow scrolling)
Samer: Psyho aren't you missing a C?
Psyho: 😓
connord234: hello
Samer: hello
struct: hi
connord234: im very new to coding can someone recommend a language thats easy to learn
Floofyboy: maybe python
struct: I would say python
Floofyboy: i'm not new but currently learning python, its not too complex
struct: But I dont know python, I just recommend what I see the most
connord234: ok thank you
struct: Some say its like typing in english
connord234: wait python3 or python?
struct: python 3
struct: its not magic though
struct: it will take time to learn
Dcoder789: what do want make with code choses the language in most cases
Floofyboy: some code is easier with some language for sure, but in a work environnement u don't always have the choice tho.
pychainman: Has any AI or reinforcement techniques worked for this contest, my initial assumption is it may be to slow to simulate or do anything.
pychainman: Guess can train a model offline in games maybe.
struct: Im not sure if anyone tried
struct: I know some people did for other games
struct: last contest winner was NN
Samer: I think it's a bit hard because of the fog of war maybe?
struct: no idea, I never tried to do a NN
pychainman: yeah, I don't even know how to get started with NN, also don't have time at the moment to try to figure it out.
therealbeef: might have a stab at NN for state evaluation if I can find enough time
therealbeef: but 50ms is tight
Westicles: him, I wonder who kouin is really
struct: What rank is he at Westicles?
struct: Cant find him
struct: ah I see
struct: broken bot
Westicles: was 2nd now hiding
struct: ok I see
struct: Should be obvious who it is
struct: Only 2 persons possible
struct: 2 due to the avatar name
issamelimrany: Hello Automaton2000
Automaton2000: it's a great way to learn
kouin: wdym who i am :thinking:
struct: thinking emoji
struct: now its reduced to 1 person
kouin: kouin mean "ok yeah" in french
struct: hm so you know french
Westicles: I think it is Mrs.GloriaZindlebocker
struct: didnt know she was a heuristics master
Tracy_Yi: Anyone could tell me how to change the language setting from Python to c++ ?
Wontonimo: top center
Wontonimo: drop down that has the word "Python 3"
Wontonimo: click it, and choose c++
Tracy_Yi: "Discover" dialog?
Wontonimo: ?? no. go into a competition
Wontonimo: or a coding challenge
Wontonimo: where the code is presented to you
Tracy_Yi: Oh, I see. Thanks so much!
Wontonimo: np :grin: Good luck and enjoy
andyyyyy: Is c++ good? it seems overly complex.
Wontonimo: wdym good?
Wontonimo: it doesn't give to charity nor is it a RLM
andyyyyy: What is the point of it when there are better options? I recall Bjarne Stroustrup himself only rated his knowledge of C++ as "7/10" in a presentation.
andyyyyy: therefore that makes me think it is very complex
Wontonimo: no, the core of c++ is simple
Wontonimo: *simplish
andyyyyy: How can it be simple if the C++ coding standard is like 1000 pages long and it has ten bazillion keywords
Wontonimo: it is all the libraries to do extra stuff that is tha hard part
andyyyyy: the coding standard alone is extremely long.
Wontonimo: i'm not sure where you are going with this. seems like you are trolling or looking for an argument
Ayza: no one learns all these keywords though
Wontonimo: if you want power and the ability to tell the computer exactly what you want, C++ is great. if you want easy of coding but lack of control or power then Python
Ayza: you probably care about a few of these bazillion keywords you're talking about
Wontonimo: ^^ spitting facts
andyyyyy: I was just thinking C can be useful to learn even if not practical, but otherwise people came up with Golang or Rust for a reason (reasoning seeming to be flaws of C++)
andyyyyy: therefore that led to me questioning the value of C++ :thinking:
rwilson: best reason to know C++ ...
is your job requires it
rwilson: #1 reason C++ exists ( to be a better C , that people could start using cause their job required C at the time )
andyyyyy: But has it perhaps become antiquated at all?
Wontonimo: why are you asking?
andyyyyy: Literally just curious lol
Ayza: true, google's the best
Wontonimo: google it. use google trends to see the adoption and market share
rwilson: maybe ... but how many millions of lines of code out there ... companies still use it , regardless of your individual taste
andyyyyy: Google naturally has a conflict of interest to push Golang and the cute gopher onto me
Wontonimo: have you used google trends?
Wontonimo: you really think some random person here has better info than what you can find on google?
andyyyyy: As for adoption and marketshare, that led to me getting even more confused. Because the big Stackoverflow survey showed very weird technologies commanding the highest salaries
rwilson: :) I'm sure there's a good spot on the Codingame discord for the discussion ... but @andyyyyy , i get the impression that most peeps here would PREFER to chat about things more directly relevant to the current competition ....
Wontonimo: yes, thank you rwilson. well said
andyyyyy: Okay fair enough!
PatrickMcGinnisII: impractical and antiquated are basically fighting words, lol. and I use a lazy lang. mostly. smh.
PatrickMcGinnisII: looks like the ref has changed, has it?
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm not seeing the same shield control simultaneous rsult as yesterday
PatrickMcGinnisII: rsult= result
rwilson: Latest commit fbb4d12 22 days ago
for referree ( if it's changed, they've not pushed it up yet )
rwilson: @PatrickMcGinnisII curious, so you're not seeing control target &shield on the same turn working?
PatrickMcGinnisII: yesterday if you control and enemy shield... both would happen, today i'm seeing the control taking precedence...i could be wrong tho
Wontonimo: here is a recent change https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/commit/ad00f9ff28124bf78438b692441d3b5968694cff
Wontonimo: and here is the commit log https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2022/commits/main
rwilson: TY @Wontonimo , :face_palm_tone3: looks like I was stuck looking at an older branch
PatrickMcGinnisII: hmm, maybe it's the precedence of adding mobcontrols... so maybe it makes a difference
rwilson: @PatrickMcGinnisII , the controls should all get resolved in a big pile, then later shields get applied
PatrickMcGinnisII: i get it, ok, it clears the active controls for heros later in the list. So it wasn't mob controls, it was me trying to cast a shield on same hero that was being controlled
PatrickMcGinnisII: and messages are cleared as well
Kokoz: Hello miki :)
