weebiss: this is hard
MSmits: it is hard until it is easy
weebiss: still tho
MSmits: sure yeah, but if it was easy, it would not be interesting
jacek: ohai
jacek: gonna be on contest?
jacek: apparently crossover may work in my neuro'evolutiion'. but parents must come from the same single ancestor and theres need not much difference in generations. i'll call this incest is wincest
VizGhar: what are you working on jacek?
MSmits: I'm gonna be in the contest yeah. Trying to finish some work so i have the time
IvesL: i have got a question
IvesL: how do you really build a simulation in bot programming
jacek: VizGhar randomly adjusting NN weights in hopes to make it useful
jacek: IvesL depends on the game. sometimes you can look at the referee to see how did they implement it
IvesL: look at the referee?
jacek: its about having some state, making move and updating this state. in chess or checkers it would mean something different than in mad pod racing
IvesL: thats exactly my thought
jacek: on codingame SDK the game is ran by referee which takes users' outputs and gives them inputs
IvesL: state is different from game to game, so is there some thoughts or approaches on building steps towards it
jacek: depends what objects a game has. you would have list of pieces in chess and current player. in MPR list of pods, their positions and velocity
IvesL: so lets use mad pod racing as an example, an even easier version, only 1pod vs 1pod
VizGhar: I was looking at MPR wandering what it could possibly be for too long... now I realized
IvesL: lets say im going to simulate next 5 moves, if my pod touches the checkpoint, i reward it
VizGhar: uf... this is harder one to simulate :)
Your pod has position and velocity. you need to update both based on action you make... there is complete post mortem by magus with exact computations there
VizGhar: http://files.magusgeek.com/csb/csb_en.html
VizGhar: this one is particullary hard because of ellastic colisions
jacek: simulation and 'rewarding' or 'evaluation' are 2 different things
IvesL: right, the hard part is physics
IvesL: so let's also ignore that part
IvesL: im stuck at just the game state
IvesL: cant implement it
jacek: so, essentialy search race
IvesL: jacek that is basically me in every game right now
IvesL: i know how should i optimize it, but i dont how should i build an environment/game state to work around with it
jacek: lol, i meant https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/optimization/search-race
jacek: which is essentially 1 player mad pod racing
IvesL: so is it true that in order to make a simulation, you basically rebuild every tiny aspects mentioned in your code?
Uljahn: you have to reimplement the game rules (recreate the game engine)
Uljahn: and state is a group of variables, which summarizes the history of the system in order to predict the future values
IvesL: so i am going to watch some vids on chess ai to see how things work, the procedures and how should one think when building
IvesL: i hope its going to help
jacek: your question is programming nature. most chess ai videos will probably talk about it at high level like tree search with little to no implementation
IvesL: do you have better starts at learning the programming nature?
IvesL: im thankful for all you guys' suggestions, at least i have now got some directions to move on
jacek: try tic tac toe. how would you simulate next moves?
IvesL: thanks i would also focus on that
jacek: :upside_down:
aRazmus: hey everyone! is there any way to output variables to the console without breaking the execution?
5DN1L: check the default code, it shows you how
5DN1L: it's printing to the error stream
aRazmus: Ahh gotcha! Cheers!
weebiss: hii
jacek: Automaton2000 do you even random?
Automaton2000: i would like to see how it goes
Endya: hey, do you know if linking github account to a puzzle or a challenge is possible to work with my own IDE or to work with friend ?
Leeward: @Endya When you're working on a puzzle, click Settings in the left sidebar, at the bottom there is an option "Use an external code editor". I'm pretty sure you could set up VSCode or whatever with remote co-op for exactly that.
Endya: Thx for the answer i'll try that
Frankich: Leeward, keep in mind that the option "Use an external code editor" is only available when you installed CG local
Leeward: I assumed that much was obvious?
jacek: i never heard of external code editor oO
Leeward: Well here's the link in case you can't see it in the sidebar: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/codingame-sync-beta/614
Frankich: this user looks new, if you don't check the forum about that, or ask in the chat, it is not that obvious to me
Leeward: I don't have anything CG related locally installed and I can see that option in the sidebar when I'm in a puzzle
Leeward: But fair enough, rather give too much info than too little
Frankich: don't you have at least the extension ?
Leeward: Nope
Westicles: is there a way to disable the box that pops up in the IDE when you hover over variables?
Frankich: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/cg-local/10359
5DN1L: Westicles I think it's "editor.hover.enabled": false
Westicles: 5DN1L thanks! that's been bugging me for a while
5DN1L: :)
Frankich: Oh the option is by default on Chrome.. I did not know that, sorry Leeward
Leeward: No problem, always happy to learn
5DN1L: I don't find "Use an external code editor" in my settings. I'm using Firefox
5DN1L: I don't need it, so it's not an issue
Frankich: It is not on Firefox by default. That's why you need to use "CG Local" on FF if you want to use an external editor. CG Sync is only working on Chrome as far as I remember.
5DN1L: i see. it's nice to know that
5DN1L: ah, why didn't i notice "editor.mouseWheelZoom" in editor configuration before? i should have set it to False long time ago. all the accidental zooming i don't need was so annoying to me
jacek: oh my
HoneyGlazedGherkinsEggTartare: what time is spring challenge start
5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2022
5DN1L: 2 days' time
ycsvenom: what's the difference between a moderator and a '[CG]' prefixed moderator?
derjack: [CG] is paid
ycsvenom: noice
Uljahn: [CG] are actual admins and platform developers while mods are regular users
ZndrBrok: Is there a chance that codingame would implement .NET 6 for C# users ? :innocent:
ZndrBrok: It would give us a chance in shortCodeClashes against all those snakes :P
ZndrBrok: And without needing to compact all on one line :P
jacek: hopefully they dont do anything big before/during contest
ycsvenom: good point
**ZndrBrok is dreaming...
Ibrahim51: hallo
ycsvenom: halo4
Joe0: hello world
Joe0: what do people talk about here?
5DN1L: coding
Joe0: can this site add some room for esolangs?
5DN1L: You can make a suggestion in the forum
Joe0: ok
5DN1L: let the CG staff know and decide
5DN1L: https://forum.codingame.com/t/languages-update/1574/263
Thorcode: hope the spring not really hard
5DN1L: Ah it'll be your first contest
Thorcode: how do you know that
5DN1L: I read your profile
Thorcode: i'm also loooking at yours
5DN1L: :joy:
Joe0: @5DN1L Ok I just threw out a suggestion on the forum under the site advancement category
Thorcode: but don't know how many contest you registered
Joe0: *I meant platform evolution
5DN1L: Yeah, I've just moved merge the post under Languages update, Joe0
5DN1L: moved and merged
Joe0: Thx
5DN1L: yw
Joe0: What do you think about the idea?
5DN1L: I don't have any opinions on the idea really
Joe0: ok
5DN1L: Thorcode you can click RANKING to see more details
Joe0: Does this site hire?
Thorcode: oh
Thorcode: bruh me
Thorcode: your first too if you participate
5DN1L: yup
5DN1L: Joe0 I'm sure they do, from time to time
Joe0: @5DN1L Does this site have a way of pulling in any revenue?
Thorcode: dunno
5DN1L: Yeah, they do it through some other services
Joe0: I'm curious since I haven
Joe0: t seen any ads
5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/work/
Astrobytes: Joe0: there are a few brainfck and at least one befunge puzzles
Astrobytes: in fact, one BF optim and one befunge-like optim
Astrobytes: and good afternoon btw :)
Joe0: Astrobytes: how would one (such as myself) add more languages in the puzzles area?
5DN1L: good afternoon Astrobytes :)
Joe0: what time is it in the uk?
jacek: but CG already has esolangs - it has javascript
5DN1L: 2:03 PM
Joe0: jacek: yea ur right :)
Astrobytes: Joe0: you can't as such, but you can make puzzles around making an interpreter or such like, get creative ;)
Thorcode: what if brainfuck in codingame
5DN1L: solve all puzzles in CG using brainfck?
Astrobytes: I think the chances of CG adding esolangs will be very small indeed, in fact, I'd say highly unlikely
Joe0: yea it doesnt exactly meet the goal of CG to help employers find talent
Astrobytes: Exactly. Not really the right place for it. But - as I said, feel free to implement parts or all of any esolang you like in puzzle or game format
Astrobytes: Plenty scope there
Joe0: yea definitely, I didn't really know how that worked yet since I'm a new member
Astrobytes: Read up on puzzle creation (and the SDK if you're inclined)
codepraycode: how can we practise please
5DN1L: what's your goal?
codepraycode: goal?
5DN1L: i mean which area do you want to practise?
jacek: like in soccer?
Astrobytes: Joe0:
https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/creating-your-own-puzzle
Joe0: thanks astrobytes!
Astrobytes: np
Darleanow: guys,for i in range(12,2) -> is it possible to do the same as two for str ?
Darleanow: like when seeing strings ?
5DN1L: what's range(12, 2)?
Thorcode: nah
Darleanow: okay ty thorcode
Thorcode: and also range(12,2) is not eligible in py
Darleanow: IT IS
jacek: its empty
jacek: its (from,to)
5DN1L: yes, valid empty range :)
Darleanow: AH MB, its the thirsty
jacek: or you meant range(0,12,2)
Darleanow: third
Darleanow: yeah jacek mb mb
Darleanow: can i do that for strings ?
Thorcode: nah
jacek: "xyztzcxcxczx"[0:2:12]
Thorcode: but you could do the slicig
Darleanow: :'( okay
Thorcode: like use len
Thorcode: the ez way xd
cagriy: hello from TURKEY :))))
jacek: :o
5DN1L: "xyztzcxcxczx"[0::2]
jacek: ::2 for shortest eh
Darleanow: no 5DN1IL, its removes one every two
Darleanow: i wanna make a space between every two
Darleanow: like so i can compare em
Thorcode: " ".join()?
isimkullanmiyorum: hi world
5DN1L: i don't think you can split a string by two
Uljahn: for a, b in zip("abcdefgh"[:-1], "abcdefgh"[1:]):
Thorcode: print(" ".join("xyztzcxcxczx"[0::2]))
5DN1L: you can split a string by one
Thorcode: i think this for your?
Darleanow: Throc i have a space now, but not every two char ;)
Thorcode: ah
5DN1L: Darleanow try Uljahn's suggestion
Thorcode: adding space each 2 char in a string bruh
Darleanow: like it pops one
Darleanow: okay 5DN1L
Darleanow: MY HERO
codepraycode: what are you practising guys
Darleanow: Uljahn u a god <3
5DN1L: zip will be awkward to use if the split length is longer
5DN1L: i'll just use ["xyztzcxcxczx"[i:i + 2] for i in range(0, 12, 2)]
5DN1L: then i can join them with spaces
5DN1L: join the split substrings
Darleanow: wut is zip
5DN1L: zip is to join each item of two or more lists one by one
Darleanow: oh okay i see, but it worked when ive did it using the same string
jacek: wut is rar
5DN1L: e.g. list(zip([1, 2, 3], [4, 5, 6]))
5DN1L: result is [(1, 4), (2, 5), (3, 6)]
5DN1L: rar is something that can be unrar-ed
jacek: do you pay for it
jacek: like for the papers?
Astrobytes: lol
jacek: :smirk:
Astrobytes: is Smits still around? Didn't see him for a while
jacek: he was this morning
AmirH_O: Hello world
Astrobytes: ah nice
cang.java: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/359b7047-2810-46c8-87fd-8fb4fe809db7
eulerscheZahl: oh, i dropped to 4th globally
Astrobytes: fixit
eulerscheZahl: does getting passed by dbdr count as fix?
cang.java: how
Astrobytes: hahaha
cang.java: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ed454f15-5dba-48a4-9480-62ac133522a2
tkankan: Hi!
cang.java: hi bro
eulerscheZahl: cang.java that's far from valid java and we don't even know your intention behind this code
eulerscheZahl: it's too far off to even guess
Jerrasterix: Hello guys !!
cang.java: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/81b2dafb-516e-4515-8328-4d768ca90846
VizGhar: Maybe he want to parse string... to string_
eulerscheZahl: hi, haven't seen you in a while
cang.java: he told me to enter uotput and input one, two, three.
Jerrasterix: yup, was busy with my academics, graduating from high school next year... to much pressure from teachers to study :sob:
Jerrasterix: just came back for the CG contest, good its back to multis
eulerscheZahl: "high school" as in "Gymnasium"?
Jerrasterix: bro, I am Indian .... sry for the wrong country in my profile :P
jacek: is this a school where you get high?
eulerscheZahl: oh, that really confused me
Astrobytes: jacek: naturally
eulerscheZahl: always thought you were German
jacek: :scream:
Jerrasterix: nice one jacek :lol:
Jerrasterix: ohh... sorry dude !!
eulerscheZahl: i was expecting him to make fun of the "Gymnasium" vs gym
eulerscheZahl: even was about to recommend you some coding contest that i just shared on #de
eulerscheZahl: but i think it's for Germans only
VizGhar: uff... friendship broken
Jerrasterix: ohhh.... thanks euler!!
jacek: oO
Astrobytes: What if we just pretend to be Germans?
Joe0: we need to speak germa
eulerscheZahl: they will notice when they try to ship the prizes
jacek: like this guy? https://i.insider.com/5339ad5aeab8eac53af6ac95?width=750&format=jpeg&auto=webp
Astrobytes: We can ship them to you and you can forward them
Jerrasterix: do you have these imgs ready, jacek ??
Astrobytes: love that movie
eulerscheZahl: they will notice when I claim more than 1 prize myself
Astrobytes: meh
eulerscheZahl: haven't seen the movie yet
Jerrasterix: what movie is it ??
Astrobytes: It's really good
eulerscheZahl: ingloriuous bastards
Astrobytes: Inglourious Basterds
eulerscheZahl: didn't fix typo to be faster than astro
Astrobytes: :D
jacek: like monte carlo - fast but not always correct
eulerscheZahl: take that. i'm ready for contest!
Astrobytes: :tada:
Jerrasterix: more than 1 day to go....
eulerscheZahl: i might just give up on topcoder. no ideas left :(
eulerscheZahl: submission deadline in 1 day 6h
eulerscheZahl: and radewoosh first by a lot
Astrobytes: yeah, rest your brain before CG contest
eulerscheZahl: but once i started, it's hard to stop
eulerscheZahl: that's why i never play those 3 month contests
Astrobytes: true
Jerrasterix: any leads on what the contest is based on....
eulerscheZahl: this time i have no idea
eulerscheZahl: nailed the last two
jacek: :notebook: :soccer:
AmirH_O: do you guys have codeforces handles?
eulerscheZahl: :door:
Astrobytes: spells and swords
eulerscheZahl: yes, same as my nick here: eulerscheZahl
jacek: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/170771/sword-sorcery ?
AmirH_O: nice!
Jerrasterix: It may be jacek..
Astrobytes: possible
eulerscheZahl: complexity 4.06 / 5. i think we can exclude that
Astrobytes: lol, might be simplified
eulerscheZahl: coop game? please no
jacek: O(0.812)? not so complex
Astrobytes: eww yeah, no coop
Jerrasterix: you have to path find and dodge your opp while your opp tries to reach and kill you, That's not too hard meh..
eulerscheZahl: that's a summary of CotC
eulerscheZahl: galleon wars
eulerscheZahl: thanks squid for the name...
Astrobytes: those names :(
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/moderation
thibaud was much faster removing us from the list
Astrobytes: hmm
Jerrasterix: is squid not regular these days ??
Astrobytes: he removed himself
jacek: oO
Jerrasterix: :O
eulerscheZahl: like java should do, if garbage collection would work better
Astrobytes: haha
Jerrasterix: euler becoming more hatred towards java :joy:
eulerscheZahl: it's not even free anymore
Astrobytes: Oracle have finally lost their minds?
eulerscheZahl: did i misunderstand something?
eulerscheZahl: let me check again before making false claims
Astrobytes: Oracle own Java afaik
eulerscheZahl: yes, they do
eulerscheZahl: Oracle JDK 11, Oracle JDK Java 8, and Oracle JRE with Java Web Start in Java 8, are available to Oracle Customers via My Oracle Support and also under the OTN License Agreement for Java SE. This OTN license permits personal use, development, testing, prototyping, demonstrating and some other limited uses at no cost.
eulerscheZahl: stupid website, collides the block as soon as i want to select the text and copy it
eulerscheZahl: https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/javase/jdk-faqs.html
Astrobytes: yeah, commercial license needed for updates etc
Jerrasterix: Ohh... you can't use java to create and sell apps WTH..
eulerscheZahl: https://www.oracle.com/downloads/licenses/no-fee-license.html
i don't want to read this now. but compare it to the license of C# or Python and you'll see some differences
Astrobytes: I'll save that one for a rainy day
jacek: free jaffa!
eulerscheZahl: no, kill jaffar and save the princess
Astrobytes: java's so bloated they should have called it Jabba
SyntaxMudra: what is the first thing in learning to learn java
Jerrasterix: anyways, Idc.. I mostly use dotnet these days
Astrobytes: learning to type really long statements
Jerrasterix: learning it is language full of bloats
eulerscheZahl: same. both for private coding and professionally .net is my default.
some C++ at work
eulerscheZahl: afk to cycle through the forests. see you
Astrobytes: enjoy
Jerrasterix: have a nice time..
eulerscheZahl: not sure if i'm motivated. but can't sit all day either
Astrobytes: once you start you'll enjoy it
coddednight: can anybody help mme im new at coding
eulerscheZahl: true. bye
Jerrasterix: its bed time here... gotta go to bed.. bye :yawn:
Astrobytes: sleep well!
Jerrasterix: will come back when it starts
Jerrasterix: bye
Astrobytes: see ya
Joe0: whats the best way to improve ranking. My 10672 is a little embarressing.
Astrobytes: bot programming, optims, golf etc. Anything in the 'compete' section
Joe0: ok
BrunoFelthes: caraca, já tem 1 ano que não tem desafio, vamos ver se esse vai ser bom
5DN1L: English only please
BrunoFelthes: affe
Astrobytes: BrunoFelthes: hope so!
Joe0: Idea I just had: Can we integrate a translate service in the chat bar? This would be useful due to the wide range of nationalities the users of this site have.
BrunoFelthes: what is the reference from the contest image?
5DN1L: Who knows how long this chat will still remain here
Astrobytes: not sure, we were trying to guess earlier but didn't come up with much
Leeward: I thought it was original art?
Astrobytes: It is, but there is always a theme
BrunoFelthes: it is always an original art...
BrunoFelthes: but maybe is it a fight game?
Leeward: Looks like a generic high fantasy / D&D type setting
struct: Hi
Astrobytes: Yeah, very vague. My money is on some kind of board game, could be grid-based
Astrobytes: Hello struct
struct: its onitama v2
Astrobytes: lol
struct: war chest
struct: Its hex
struct: and has different units types
Astrobytes: hm, but another hex game?
struct: last one was good
Astrobytes: yeah the Photosynthesis one
NewCoder09: struct you're back
jacek: hex onitama
struct: jacek are you gonna join the contest?
jacek: yes, but probably end up in silver or bronze
jacek: somehow i cant get my mind into short competition
struct: hmm
struct: its simple, just do what I do
struct: write sim
jacek: delete account?
struct: Then rerwrite
struct: then rerwrite
struct: ...
struct: rewirte*
jacek: rewire
jacek: sturct, are you alright
struct: wrhy?
jacek: Automaton2000 asked
Automaton2000: i'm trying to learn python
struct: I'm fine Automaton2000
Automaton2000: i need to optimize it
struct: you know me
5DN1L: Autopython2000
Astrobytes: optimisation begins in Wood
struct: for me it begins before I submit
Astrobytes: indeed :P
jacek: ezpz just add some pragmas
struct: I dont use that anymore
struct: maybe if its a board game you can make a NN?
struct: or is the contest too short for that?
jacek: probably too short
jacek: not in training sense, but getting the right inputs
Log1c_CN: gn evbd
struct: good night
jacek: oO
Westicles: I guess if the taco bot is dead I can stop making balls related clashes
jacek: my incest is wincest for my simple neuroevolution algo works wonders, convergens 10x times faster
bugMaker-237:
Shadows of the Knight - Episode 1
Already stucked
bugMaker-237: :neutral_face: Need help
bugMaker-237: Please...
5DN1L: be specific
bugMaker-237: Actually I need to do a dichotomic search in a 2 dimentional array
bugMaker-237: But the coordonates to find are unknown
Shazbaz: I'm actually working on the same puzzle right now
bugMaker-237: I just have the direction to take as inpurs
bugMaker-237: Shazbaz, already done ?
Shazbaz: nope, still figuring things out. But I'm making progress.
5DN1L: Did you read the external resoruces on the front page of the puzzle?
bugMaker-237: Yep
5DN1L: and?
bugMaker-237: I think i understand the algo of dicothomic search
bugMaker-237: I've already used that
Shazbaz: If you're on the CodinGame Discord server, maybe we could hop in a voice channel and work on it together?
bugMaker-237: But that's not my issue
bugMaker-237: Shabaz, ok, let me join the discord
jacek: binary search plx?
Uljahn: the direction is the hint, it guides your search
Uljahn: each turn you're given new direction based on your previous move
bugMaker-237: Yeah, i got that
Shazbaz: I'll be sitting in the 'General' voice channel under the name Shazbaz when you get there.
bugMaker-237: my issue is principaly to move along the x or y axis towards the bomb point
bugMaker-237: Got it, Shazbaz
RandomSteve: I am having issues with the batman puzzle as well
Shazbaz: wanna join the discord voice channel?
jacek: whats with batman puzzle lately?
Shazbaz: bugMaker-237 have you formatted the output line at the end properly?
Shazbaz: it standardly comes with ```cout << "0 0" << endl;```
Shazbaz: you'll need to make sure to put your own variables in there
Shazbaz: something like ```to_string(horizontal_num) + " " + to_string(vertical_num)```
**Wontonimo trembles in front of Shazbaz's moderate coding skills
a-Rye: :taco: Wontonimo
RandomSteve: I cannot join discord voice rn I have noise going around :/
jacek: :no_mouth:
struct: hi Wontonimo
Wontonimo: thanks for the taco a-Rye
struct: Where are the tacos?
struct: ah on #taco ?
Wontonimo: I can't believe it, but I'm tired of tacos
a-Rye: That's kinda what I was hinting at
struct: why?
Wontonimo: I'll turn it on :D
eulerscheZahl: the taco channel is a good idea to reduce the flood here
Wontonimo: :taco: struct
antiwonto: [auto] Wontonimo has awarded struct 5 tacos. struct now has 9 taco. Wontonimo now has 41 taco
eulerscheZahl: :/
Wontonimo: all other taco commands have moved to #taco
jacek: :taco: Automaton2000
Automaton2000: am i going to do it
antiwonto: [auto] jacek has awarded Automaton2000 10 tacos. Automaton2000 now has 51 taco. jacek now has 32 taco
Automaton2000: but i've never seen it before
struct: euler have you done any contest recently?
NewCoder09: :taco: struct
antiwonto: [auto] NewCoder09 has awarded struct 5 tacos. struct now has 14 taco. NewCoder09 now has 6 taco
eulerscheZahl: doing topcoder right now. but stuck
struct: is this the factory one?
eulerscheZahl: factory?
struct: ah no that was atcoder
eulerscheZahl: it's an optim version of "there is no spoon"
eulerscheZahl: the bridge puzzle
a-Rye: Thanks Wontonimo! I'll try to keep the taco chat to taco chat
eulerscheZahl: anyways, i've probably reached the optimum for this season. so i can live with being bad at that particular game
struct: Well you finished in time for CG
struct: Maybe the contest will be good
eulerscheZahl: i hope so
eulerscheZahl: also 2 other, shorter contests that i plan to do during CG. bad timing
eulerscheZahl: codejam 1B and morpheus
struct: Im sure it wont hurt
eulerscheZahl: you know me. i'm stuck before time runs out anyways
struct: I think most of us are
eulerscheZahl: that's the difference between us plebs and the real pros
jacek: the $$$?
jacek: the gap between 1st and 2nd in onitama is closing :scream:
Wontonimo: it's funny when the #taco channel gets more coding related talk than world
jacek: shakedown Auitomaton2000
jacek: shakedown Automaton2000
jacek: :s
Automaton2000: not sure if i should try that
antiwonto: [auto] That taco command has moved to the #taco channel
a-Rye: Ajaiy, there's still a lot I need to do. But the problem I'm having is either with my techio.yml or my filestructure within GitHub.
jacek: tech.io tutorial?
a-Rye: yup jacek, I'm trying to replicate my Beginner Python Concepts to Java and C++. Python is easy and requires very little setup. I have wlesavo's C++ structure to work off of. I just need to do it lol
jacek: you dont need heavy stuff to write code snippset no?
a-Rye: with Python, no. But so far it seems like I need a separate .sh file for every .cpp file. And I need to tie all those .sh files together in a local makefile.
a-Rye: So, every snippet turns into its own code file
jacek: oh my
pandaburger: can someone explain to me "for i in input().split()" like i was 5?
eulerscheZahl: do you know what input().split() does?
pandaburger: I know what both do, not what they do together
eulerscheZahl: input() reads a line from stdin
pandaburger: I assume but when looped, my brain shuts down
Tryst: one more puzzle until level 20 :D
eulerscheZahl: split() just splits it at spaces
pandaburger: ah, spaces
eulerscheZahl: so you have "a b c" as input for example
eulerscheZahl: then input().split() is ['a', 'b', 'c']
eulerscheZahl: for i in ['a', 'b', 'c'] is a loop over those
pandaburger: alright
pandaburger: in a for loop, for i in input().split(), what is i?
Uljahn: :rolling_eyes:
pandaburger: is it a, b and then c in respective loops?
jacek: :upside_down:
antiwonto: [auto] ':upside_down:' was defined as ' ɥǝllo '
eulerscheZahl: i is each value of the list
eulerscheZahl: one after another
pandaburger: Okay
[da-kid_2.0: hi
[da-kid_2.0: hi
[da-kid_2.0: hi
[da-kid_2.0: hi
[da-kid_2.0: hi
eulerscheZahl: bye
Uljahn: kicked out
eulerscheZahl: :+1:
eulerscheZahl: sometimes i miss my mod powers
jacek: AutomatonNN does he?
jacek: :(
pandaburger: thanks for the help, eulerscheZahl!
[da-kid_2.0: ah
5DN1L: [da-kid_2.0 please adhere the code of conduct, no spam, otherwise you'll be banned
5DN1L: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
jacek: sports training... what about some balls game
antiwonto: [auto] jacek be respectful and watch your language
https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/code-of-conduct
[da-kid_2.0: jacek is write
eulerscheZahl: stop writing jacek, join voice chat
5DN1L: Automaton2000 would you join voice chat too?
Automaton2000: so what should i start with a very good site to learn
[da-kid_2.0: ur mum
[da-kid_2.0: oh god sorry
eulerscheZahl: :popcorn:
5DN1L: i'm sorry too
5DN1L: you're banned [da-kid_2.0
jacek: chat is still not gone :thinking:
Tryst: shakedown taco
Tryst: huntdown taco
antiwonto: [auto] That taco command has moved to the #taco channel
Tryst: oof
eulerscheZahl: and languages are still not updated, are they?
eulerscheZahl: any bets on which languages will break right before the contest? i say it's java
jacek: D#
eulerscheZahl: 5DN1L banned the guy and now i'm the one getting weird messages in private. why?!
5DN1L: i do too
5DN1L: i just ignore him
eulerscheZahl: ah, great. was about to do that
eulerscheZahl: even is some of the trolls are actually funny
5DN1L: they should learn from jacek
Tryst: My biggest acomplishment is getting level 20 on codingame, is that sad?
5DN1L: why sad?
Tryst: Because it's not the best accomplishment
5DN1L: you can get even bigger accomplishments in the future i guess
Tryst: true
5DN1L: treat this as a milestone
Tryst: ahh okay
Tryst: that makes sense
5DN1L: and congrats :)
eulerscheZahl: i've spent a lot of time on project euler when i got into puzzle solving and then slowly shifted to more competitive things
Tryst: thanks :)
Uljahn: what is the best accomplishment btw?
Tryst: In CodinGame or in life?
eulerscheZahl: uno reverse card: what's your greatest achievement in terms of CG or similar websites, Uljahn? ;)
Tryst: In CodinGame I would say the "Damn I'm Good" or any 100% on very hard puzzles
Uljahn: eulerscheZahl: my greatest CG is some of my solutions being upvoted regularly
Tryst: Uljahn that's a major win
TobiasA: mine was getting out of the green levels. I was stuck there for 3 years because I didn't realize codingame was not for noobs:slight_smile:
Tryst: lol
Tryst: I was there too
Tryst: I needed to take a 2 year break from this game in order to get better at coding
Tryst: Now I would say I'm a lot better though
Passifi: oh wow I now checked out eulers Project so many new puzzles wow, thanks eulerscherZahl
eulerscheZahl: later ones are pretty math heavy. but good quality of puzzles
TobiasA: yea back then on this site was probably the most confusing time of my life
eulerscheZahl: my 2nd site where i've spent a lot of hours was hacker.org
it's more about coding and less about math. sadly it's not actively maintained anymore and some puzzles require flash or java applets
TobiasA: wait where are the euler puzzles?
eulerscheZahl: https://projecteuler.net/
not related to me
eulerscheZahl: they regularly add a new puzzle every 1 or 2 weeks
Joe0: Question: Is linux or windows or mac os better for actually writing software commercially?
Joe0: In ur opinion\
Tryst: Don't take my opinion to heart but I just like windows personally
Tryst: Mac OS and Linux are always very buggy for me whenever I use some of my friend's laptops
a-Rye: Joe0 it depends on the company you work for. My first professional tech job had me working on AWS, in a Windows VM, with a Mac laptop. Writing code in VB, which I never heard of. Just be flexible amongst development environments
Joe0: ok
eulerscheZahl: depends on the kind of software. if you want to write the standard in-house software for your company that runs on clients, you probably want to develop on windows as that's what your users are using
eulerscheZahl: coding in VB? my condolences
Tryst: ^
Passifi: When I was looking through the catalog for coding stuff of a german school they offered a full course to become a VB developer (that was last year) so thats either a scam or VB is in demand somehow ? I tend to go scam, but who knows :)
Passifi: I mean with python being as powerful as it is is there even a good reason to use VB anymore ?
a-Rye: As long as you're able to switch between languages, it doesn't matter much. There are a lot of legacy demands for knowing other languages
eulerscheZahl: like the banks still operating with Cobol
jacek: the futuristic language
jacek: you should try jaceklang
Nerchio: can i write my next bot in cobol
jacek: || and && are replaced by corresponding NNs
eulerscheZahl: only if you spam the forum for a year straight and request that it's added
eulerscheZahl: or if you compile offline and submit a binary
Nerchio: we have brainf*ck why not cobol
eulerscheZahl: we have?
eulerscheZahl: that was an April fools prank
Nerchio: oh damn
jacek: we have javascript, why not other esolangs
Nerchio: i missed that it was a prank
Nerchio: thats disappointing
Nerchio: well all I want is java 11 :joy: we still have java 8
Nerchio: talking about stone age languages
jacek: and android natively is java 7 mostly:no_mouth:
eulerscheZahl: java 11 had massive timeout issues
Nerchio: did you get your shirt for russian ai cup euler
eulerscheZahl: https://www.pochta.ru/tracking#RR148020554RU
https://www.pochta.ru/tracking#RR148020727RU
aka: no
eulerscheZahl: i hate the German customs
eulerscheZahl: also gave up hopes for TCO21 tshirt (don't have a tracking link)
Nerchio: oh wow at least you have a tracking link
eulerscheZahl: so the obvious solution is to qualify for on-site finals and pick it up in person at TCO
Nerchio: I never saw anything
eulerscheZahl: i know Astro and Ille got theirs
Nerchio: maybe I will get it in the next russian ai cup unless the organizers got drafted to the army
eulerscheZahl: they already postponed indefinitely
eulerscheZahl: was supposed to happen in february/march this time
Nerchio: I don't know where you find this information I am literally in their discord
Nerchio: :grimacing:
jacek: hes on their celestia
eulerscheZahl: probably telegram. got it from russian CG users
jacek: those germans :unamused:
jacek: :no_mouth:
jacek: Automaton2000 when will you get your mail
Automaton2000: how old are u guys
Nerchio: old enough to be your dad Automaton2000
Automaton2000: well, i have a good day
Nerchio: what is the next contest about Automaton2000
Automaton2000: you might have to be on the same cell, but a pac can't cross the path of a stronger pac: ...
Nerchio: it's pacman again damn
Darleanow: guys, how do we remove space at the end when we print a string ?
jacek: end=
jacek: or "".strip()
Darleanow: yeah but it has no spaces between each now
Darleanow: Trouvé : 23571113171923293137414347
Attendu : 2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19 23 29 31 37 41 43 47
5DN1L: join first
5DN1L: strip later
5DN1L: and join with space instead of empty string
Darleanow: its in a list
Darleanow: and i can print like that
Darleanow: for i in lst:print(i)
Darleanow: ,end=" "
Darleanow: but it has space at end
5DN1L: you can even print(*lst)
Darleanow: GENIUS TY
Darleanow: i was searching for something like
Darleanow: this
Darleanow: thanks sir <3
5DN1L: oh well, there are usually multiple ways to do the same thing
5DN1L: it doesn't hurt to learn a few more ways
5DN1L: " ".join(str(x) for x in lst)
5DN1L: OR
5DN1L: "".join(f"{x} " for x in lst).strip()
5DN1L: and to revise your original code:
5DN1L: for i in lst[:-1]:print(i,end=" ")
print(lst[-1])
Darleanow: oh this is smart too
Darleanow: this is something similar that i used to do
Darleanow: in a for loop i was printing t
Darleanow: the list with a end=" "
Darleanow: and when i was at n-1, i was breaking the loop and printing the last one
5DN1L: yup, be flexible and you'll find many possibilities
Hanako-Kun: heyyyy
jacek: good evening
Hanako-Kun: hru
Hanako-Kun: :upside_down:
antiwonto: [auto] ':upside_down:' was defined as ' ɥǝllo '
Rexor: hello
Hanako-Kun: ello
nightwalkerinthedark: :money_mouth:
nightwalkerinthedark: :money_mouth:
5DN1L: no spam please
nightwalkerinthedark: ok
nightwalkerinthedark: sorry
antorf: Hola
Justaguypassingby: sup
ZndrBrok: Automaton2000 Do u speak english ?
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Automaton2000: so there is a limit
I_love_CoC: hi everyone
I_love_CoC: turtle Automaton2000
Automaton2000: so it has a lot of the puzzles
ZndrBrok: How antiwonto do that auto message ? Thx for the tacos btw!
Wontonimo: antowonto do that message the same way you do, sing text ZndrBrok. But antiwonto is a bot
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zakacat: it is TacoTIme
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ZndrBrok: Okok, thx Wontonimo !
Wontonimo: haha ... here is the code if you are wondering ZndrBrok https://github.com/panchishin/cgchat
ZndrBrok: :banana: zakacat
ZndrBrok: FAIL*
ZndrBrok: Nice
ZndrBrok: thx again !
Wontonimo: try eggplants ZndrBrok
Westicles: Gloria ZndrBrok?
Z-PEGASUS: https://discord.gg/UQs6a8fkua
zakacat: give me eggplans
zakacat: thx for tacos
Kaelidian: Hm
Darleanow: hello all :)
R3KS: good day
Darleanow: 3158
Darleanow: need the top 1000
Darleanow: ehhehe
struct: contests give lots of points
struct: I think rank 1 gets 10k
struct: which game are you playing to get points Darleanow?
Darleanow: no its for clahs
Darleanow: need to reach top1000
struct: ah
Darleanow: this is so unfair to get fckd up by spaces at the end
Darleanow: i hate that
weebiss: hii
Rock_You: hey
mod0: hii
Dren: hello there
ChloeLeng: hi
Darleanow: BobLob, waiting for u :)
Darleanow: Hello Husoki tho :)
Husoski: Hi Darleanow! Which puzzle was killing you with trailing space checks?
Darleanow: that's because i'm really bad at maths, and i found the formula for factorials
Darleanow: but for a different base it was impossible to me
Husoski: Sounded like the Christmas Tree syndrome where the program wants " ***" but the code is simpler for " *** ".
Husoski: ...but factorials are the same in all bases. n! = 1*2*3*,..*n. Or were you looking for trailing zeroes in a factorial?
Darleanow: indeed, it was trailing zeroes !
ASM_MOV_INT: I love trailing zeroes!
Darleanow: hate them - -'
Dren: I prefer leading zeroes
weebiss: this is hard
