TomaInt.: sorry for this midnight. I have been very sleepy so I absent from clash.
DialFrost: sup bois
PATTRIM: wassup
Coddertech: #clashofcode
Chris345: whats up guys
Coddertech: NICE
CARNAGES: Nice
JHBonarius: Why is my scoring algo so broken! /flip
JHBonarius: why is flip broken? /flip
JHBonarius: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
JHBonarius: ah, separate line
ZHUYH: Hi
ZHUYH: Hello
jacek: ohai
Remi.:
(╯°_°）╯︵ TT
jacek: is brain turing complete?
DripGuy: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
DripGuy: a
vsauce: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/20558717bd51c0914387ddae1867465e1b92355
vsauce: join
jacek: go to #clash
jacek: nyoro~n
AntiSquid: dear clash of code players: majority here don't like that mode, sorry to burst your bubble
derjack: yea, we prefer escape
MSmits: nine men's morris sim is hard
jacek: oO
MSmits: reminds me of oware
jacek: i thought youd have 8bits state by now
MSmits: not 8 bits lol
MSmits: I use uint32_t[2];
MSmits: it's just the rules with the mills and the game phases that are a lot of work
MSmits: even just printing the board is difficult
MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/97424c04-6b6a-45f2-918c-7fd575688330
MSmits: I have this now
MSmits: ah doesn't work
MSmits: .-----.-----.
.---.----.
.-.-.
.-.-. .-.-.
derjack: so close https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/589882302
MSmits: it still likes turning a lot
MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1895cf02-e894-4df7-b4a5-3196ce614381
MSmits: how's that for empty board?
MSmits: I like it. Now to make a bot that plays a random move without crashing :)
AntiSquid: next you'll become an ascii artist
MSmits: a noble profession
Butanium: lol
Butanium: I added random spawn position for the last league of clash of bots if anyone want to try https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/6587dcc2e3a07bd4696c16a3e63238b4a184
derjack: huh? isnt it approved? https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/clash-of-bots
derjack: ah, different game, the same name
Butanium: Yes the author of the other clash of bots didn't want to change the name because he already had a paper about this porject for school
Butanium: but since I was the first with this name idea I just added a subtitle to make the diffrence
derjack: how about crash of bots :v
MyMonkey: +1
Butanium: meeh
Butanium: I prefer clash of bots (っ °Д °;)っ
derjack: clever SEO
Butanium: I never thought about it like that, but now that you say it... you're right
derjack: how about escape bots!
Butanium: why escape ?
Butanium: you can't escape
Butanium: you have to fight to death in the arena
derjack: https://www.codingame.com/cooperate
Butanium: ahah
Butanium: or fall challenge 2021
2foolish: whats going on?
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: Nothing. Get back to sleep.
2foolish: ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz..............
jacek: oO
The_King_of_Demons: ?????
The_King_of_Demons: :upside_down:
The_King_of_Demons: :upside_down:
The_King_of_Demons: :upside_down:
The_King_of_Demons: :upside_down:
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: (╯°□°)╯︵ :)
The_King_of_Demons: :upside_down:
The_King_of_Demons: :slight_smile:
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: I'm waiting the end of the "contest" and so of the mods strike, to see how much minutes you'll survive. :)
2foolish: ( ( )
jacek: oh right, the strike
jacek: thats why i didnt want to troll much
jacek: when theyre back, the trolling will return
AntiSquid: what strike
AntiSquid: Automaton2000 explain
Automaton2000: oh, now i get your point
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: You're already in quasi permanent strike Squid, don't worry. :smirk:
AntiSquid: ah that ... not really just doing other stuff
ArmanTaheri: any c proggrammer?
AntiSquid: there must be some out there, the world is a huge place
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: The #world is a huge place.
ArmanTaheri: i'm talikng about this caht
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: \o/
AntiSquid: why you hiring? how many years of experience do you need?
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: ArmanTaheri, if your question is "any c programmer here?", then the answer is "yes". But if it's "is any c programmer here 'cause I've a problem but I want to be sure before exposing it" then read https://how-to-properly-ask-a-question.surge.sh/
AntiSquid: just say yes and say how much you want per hour lol
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: What a mod... :smirk:
AntiSquid: with entrepreneur skills obv
AntiSquid: just set you up for bizz
Butanium: what's the strike ?
Butanium: strike of bots ?
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: "Grève" dear compatriot.
AntiSquid: "a refusal to work organized by a body of employees as a form of protest, typically in an attempt to gain a concession or concessions from their employer." i think they mean this
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: ^
AntiSquid: was never on strike and afaik you'd need to officially declare it first
Butanium: （￣︶￣）↗
Butanium: oh yes didn't know the en word
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: You'd need to be employed too...
Butanium: What causes the strike ?
AntiSquid: unpaid volunteer
AntiSquid: they mean it figuratively Butanium
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: "Contest" format and platform evolution.
derjack: dental plan
Butanium: the fact that there were no bot contest ?
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: Do toads have teeth? :thinking:
AntiSquid: dental plan ? you managed to confuse me more than i already was
AntiSquid: clap
Butanium: BlaiseVonEbuthIII of course how would he eat otherwise ?
jacek: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIIjA7_mV4o
AntiSquid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu74hcoIYCo Butanium
Butanium: AntiSquid https://static1.funidelia.com/52708-f6_big2/kit-toad-super-mario-adulte.jpg
AntiSquid: imgur
Butanium: why
Butanium: oh ye
Butanium: the link spoil
AntiSquid: no, it doesn't load
jacek: oO
Butanium: wut
AntiSquid: https://imgur.com/a/kaXdmlb imgur loaded it tho
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/589937411 yay my sim works and i beat upside down horsey with random moves :)
Butanium: noice
Butanium: MCTS or something else ?
MSmits: it's just random moves now, to test my sim
MSmits: but search is easy to write, i have tons of code for other board games. It's the sim that is hard
MSmits: (for this game)
c0d1ngr1ff: hi,
does anyone have issues with notifications not showing up?
Butanium: MSmits how did you make your search general enough to be easily serializable ?
Butanium: like what are the arguments you have to pass
MSmits: oh, I did not do that. I just paste a bunch of functions from other bots
MSmits: like selection, solver etc.
MSmits: takes an hour or two to get it all working unless the game is very different
MSmits: also depends on wether I want to do some special stuff like transposition tables or optimistic/pessimistic bounds
MSmits: sometimes they have a simulation function, sometimes just eval etc.
derjack: any new game the most time consuming part is writing the sim
derjack: that and adjusting to game's particular i/o
MSmits: seems like it yeah. Wasnt always like that for me, but once you've written a bunch of searches, they all end up looking more or less the same
MSmits: the improvements usually come from performance, eval, pruning etc.
MSmits: unless you're doing nn, then it's a whole other list of jobs to do
MSmits: I wonder how others did the sim for nmm
MSmits: I used a lot of lookups for mills and connections
CatboyCodes: SUS
Butanium: I guess I need to write some more search then lol
derjack: huh? no book yet?
CatboyCodes: SUUUUUUUUUUUS
MSmits: not for a while derjack :)
Butanium: ahah
AntiSquid: CatboyCodes ?!#
AntiSquid: 3 seconds to answer or ban
GamingGnawer: when reviewing others code after submitting a puzzle, can i make the windows bigger?
CoreJavaSirs: :laughing:
CoreJavaSirs: :laughing:
CoreJavaSirs: :laughing:
CoreJavaSirs: v
CoreJavaSirs: :laughing:
Flumsy: :rage:
Flumsy: :rage:
Flumsy: :rage:
CoreJavaSirs: :yum:
jacek: school begun?
CoreJavaSirs: SLURP THE DIP $SHIB
Flumsy: :black_circle:
Flumsy: :black_circle:
Flumsy: :black_circle:
CoreJavaSirs: :new_moon_with_face:
CoreJavaSirs: :new_moon_with_face:
CoreJavaSirs: :new_moon_with_face:
AntiSquid: wasted youth
MSmits: old chef screaming at cloud
AntiSquid: you call me old ? what happens when i go over 100 ?
MSmits: nah it's just a meme, you can be old man screaming at cloud in your 30s
MSmits: I was born as old man screaming at cloud
AntiSquid: i identify as 20
MSmits: I see
MSmits: I would never make fun of someone's numerical identity
jacek: 2137?
Husoski: @AntiSquid I see you're non-binary...
Husoski: :)
MSmits: badum tsss
jacek: oO
MSmits: yay search is working
MSmits: uses 16 million nodes on turn 1 =/
MSmits: meh seems like it's still bugged too
Jack777: i quit
Jack777: dani share code
jacek: is that much?
MSmits: 16 million is crazy
MSmits: lots of branching in this game. Large tree complexity, small state complexity
MSmits: so when i expand i make a lot of nodes
Dan4Life: Anyone down for team-up in fall challenge?
moustapha_coding: me
moustapha_coding: but you need a super strong coder?
Dan4Life: not really
Dan4Life: i will send you link
Dan4Life: anyone else?
Skinjbir: test
Dan4Life: nvm ppl
jacek: hm?
GamingGnawer: Is there a way to set up a keyboard shortcut to run a test in the browser IDE?
moustapha_coding: idts
KINGOFBIGBOIMEME: YES
KINGOFBIGBOIMEME: IM UNBANNED
KINGOFBIGBOIMEME: AFTER A MONTH
CatboyCodes: ok?
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: Enjoy KINGOFBIGBOIMEME. You've one day. After that Mods come back.
KINGOFBIGBOIMEME: what
Sina_dev: what is this guys ??
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KINGOFBIGBOIMEME: Idk
KINGOFBIGBOIMEME: hey ho do you beat mad pod raceing
KINGOFBIGBOIMEME: *how
pikachuboiiiiii: how do you do the distance from checkpoint in javascript in mad pod racing??
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: Thinking?
AntiSquid: KINGOFBIGBOIMEME i can fix it if you wish, but i have no reason to ban, have a good day
AntiSquid: why do you want him banned blaise ?
marcelodelazari: bitcoin pump
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: Me? I don't care. But if he was banned once...
AntiSquid: then he redeemed himself and is a brand new person, no? :P
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: Right.
ninnghazad: "GENOCYBER - The cyber monster from an imaginary world!"
ha, they don't make lines like that anymore.
Wontonimo: hey KINGOFBIGBOIMEME and pikachuboiiiiii if you are still looking at mad pod racing I can give you a hand
GamingGnawer: doing bot-programing without implementing a rigid data-structure seemed such a good idea in wood league.... :tired_face:
Wontonimo: meh, it's not that bad. it could work
Wontonimo: which bot game are you playing GamingGnawer ?
GamingGnawer: Right now it's legend of code & magic
Thorcode: oh that's not really easy for me
Wontonimo: magic the gathering light - copyright
Wontonimo: havent tried
GamingGnawer: Thank the stars it's light-version XD
GamingGnawer: the way the data get's feed from the game makes it quite easy to just make a global array for each attribute because they end up sharing having the same index in all lists
GamingGnawer: but that's only true until you start making multi-level decision trees or attempt to simulate game states
Wontonimo: change the global array to an instance of an array
Wontonimo: and change the functions that modify it into class methods and have the array a class member
Wontonimo: boom, object oriented programming is born
GamingGnawer: yeah I now (almost) have card-objects that track a cards every attribute instead of having 10 arrays. I now have one vector ^^
GamingGnawer: IT'S ALIVE!
GamingGnawer: (dumb as a rock still, but running!)
Wontonimo: rocks can kill people if they team up and roll down a hill.
GamingGnawer: if you bring a couple of big rocks to an MTG tournament you can beat almost any player
Thorcode: Gold leagues I'm comming
Thorcode: oh sorry I spammed
Wontonimo: of what thor?
Wontonimo: that's not spamming
Thorcode: mad pod race
Wontonimo: nice
Wontonimo: congrats
Wontonimo: i see you are reducing your speed when approaching a checkpoint
GamingGnawer: *cheer*
Thorcode: yep
Wontonimo: i see you are using -v. have you tried over values like -2*v or -5*v ?
Thorcode: how you get that wontonimo
Thorcode: why you know that I use -v
Westicles: he is notorious hacker
GamingGnawer: :scream:
Wontonimo: i look at the replay and i've seen that strategy before
Thorcode: he just see my replay I get that
Wontonimo: it is a pretty famous strategy here
Wontonimo: so it has a very specific look
Thorcode: :scream_cat:
Wontonimo: just like all the GA bots have a very specific look
Thorcode: GA?
Wontonimo: genetic algorithm
Thorcode: oh ok
Wontonimo: sounds really fancy, but at the heart of GA is really just random-ish trials. Random-ish around the best trials so far
GamingGnawer: Do you manually breed them between races?
GamingGnawer: or is there a way to have the bot compete in the Arena while modifying itself?
Wontonimo: great question
Wontonimo: you could do it either way, and sure enough people do it some one way and some the other
Wontonimo: my bot in mad pod racing has a simulation. I run that simulation about 50,000 times per turn and do the GA each turn.
Wontonimo: but some people try and bake in intelligence by doing something like GA outside of the game. They use training outside of the game to find weights for a neural net or for the hyper parameters of their heuristic
GamingGnawer: ok! cool! So it "learns" how to pathfind within each race but is not able to learn remember it to the next race or to learn from its opponents?
Wontonimo: in Mars Lander 3 I did a hybrid of GA and heuristic. Instead of the GA deciding on individual moves, it instead decided on parameters to 5 premade heuristics. One heuristic was focused on landing, one on fast descent, etc
Wontonimo: the different heuristics and most of their parameters I found by running the game several times on Coding Game and had my bot print out a debug message of the parameters it discovered worked well
Wontonimo: then those became the default, and the GA just explored around those while playing later runs
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: :popcorn:
Wontonimo: here it is in action https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/590011801
GamingGnawer: cool!
Wontonimo: thanks
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: :clap:
Westicles: All right, my DAWG is on the top row for 5 days. Quest mappers are sure to blindly approve
Wontonimo: :D
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: Hurry! Lets gather two other french people to refuse it! :scream:
Westicles: heh heh. those devious french
Thorcode: what is DAWG
GamingGnawer: up?
Wontonimo: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/7352dc06dcce447cd96a058f0bb2509a70b3
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: Durian Ananas Whisky Gorgonzola
Wontonimo: use #fr for French
Wontonimo: :P
Wontonimo: i think that is more of a statement of my small english vocabulary
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: You're not a native english speaker? :o
Wontonimo: i am
Wontonimo: it's my only language
Thorcode: hehe I have 3 languages
Thorcode: French is my fourth target
Wontonimo: i'm just hoping to hold onto this one
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: L'omelette du fromage! Très baguette, oh la la!
Wontonimo: egg omelet with lots of bread . okay so i know a little french
Westicles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_8amMzGAx4
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: Not really what I said... :p
Wontonimo: i said i know a little
GamingGnawer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nW3-9gdjYA
GamingGnawer: immidiate childhood memories triggered XD
Thorcode:
The cheese omelet! Very wand, oh la la!
Thorcode: really
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkPQ0cppj9U
Thorcode: really
Thorcode: phoque
GamingGnawer: truly a beautiful language
GamingGnawer: I need to call it a night!
Take care!
Wontonimo: i knew more French when I was in my early 20's. Was able to actually order food while in France
Wontonimo: gn GamingGnawer
Wontonimo: well, that's it for me for tonight. later
TomaInt.: sorry for this midnight. I have been very sleepy so I absent from clash.
