experiencednoob: i need help im not that good at coding and im stuck on angle and distance
baneetparmar: hello world
Sp4m: Hi!
baneetparmar: nice to meet you sir
Sp4m: Nice to meet you too./
jacek: happy Caturday
Sahxom: Once one of those 15 minutes clash are completed and the result is done, is there any way to go back and check the instructions and score of a older clash you participated in?
jacek: in notifications you can go back to check the score
jacek: but for instructions you need to use other searcher https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/
Sahxom: thanks
MSmits: mmh it asked me to click on boats when i logged in just now
MSmits: did I do anything to make you guys think I am a robot?
MSmits: Seems like the boats got automaton as well, he's off
Jerrasterix: Maybe went for a break, to celebrate Caturday
MSmits: this is possible
JHBonarius: bwuh. keep running out of memory on CTTT
MSmits: you do know the game is a bit broken currently i hope
JHBonarius: MCST is just too big... 5'000'000 nodes and mem's full
JHBonarius: yes draw
MSmits: I spent a little time on it, but no more until they fix it
MSmits: ah ok
MSmits: 5 million nodes isnt much
MSmits: I can fit 25 million
JHBonarius: my node is too big
JHBonarius: (that's what she said)
MSmits: what do you put on there?
MSmits: don't put the whole board on there
JHBonarius: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/16446663-37e1-454e-9643-62121499eaef
JHBonarius: uhm
JHBonarius: again
JHBonarius: -parent Node*
JHBonarius: -vector<Node*>
JHBonarius: - 2x float UCT
JHBonarius: - int32 simulation rewards
JHBonarius: -uit32 visits
MSmits: uct?
MSmits: why store that?
MSmits: also never store a vector of node pointers
JHBonarius: precalcuate
JHBonarius: worked fine in UTTT
MSmits: but not to win
MSmits: it's slow
MSmits: why not have a giant node array out of which you take a set of children
MSmits: you just need to point to the first child then
MSmits: and include the number of children
MSmits: so firstchild + childcount
MSmits: thats better than having up to 100 children, like you would have in CTTT
MSmits: 100 * 64 bit or 1 * 64 bit...
JHBonarius: yeah, could look into that
MSmits: also with the vector you are dynamically allocating memory
MSmits: during the game
MSmits: because the vector memory is not reserved
JHBonarius: yeah, in CTTT I didn't do that, but these vectors are just SOO large
JHBonarius: CTTT has much more moves then UTTT
MSmits: yes it does
MSmits: but all that means is that you probably wont reuse the tree
JHBonarius: I will rethink
MSmits: reusing the tree is completely pointless anyway
MSmits: with so much branching
JHBonarius: hmm, so you keep recalculation the whole tree?
MSmits: no i mean between turns
MSmits: you dont use the tree from the last turn
JHBonarius: yeah, that's what I meant
JHBonarius: I could try that
MSmits: btw, i havent written a mcts for this game, but i did for clobber, same situation
JHBonarius: clobber? other bot game?
MSmits: yeah, also a crazy amount of possible moves
MSmits: btw, on the node, you could store the move + the score added
JHBonarius: I just got back, so I just started something I could partially recoignize for long ago
MSmits: so the index of the square
MSmits: and the amount of score the move added
MSmits: that way you can easily rebuild the board during selection with hardly any calculation
JHBonarius: oh, yeah, I store that too. missed that
MSmits: so dont store the whole board
JHBonarius: And also if it's expanded or not
JHBonarius: no, board is not stored.
MSmits: i can tell if a node is expanded by the fact that the index of the first child it points to is 0 or not
MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/24588302-8e50-4716-b150-7daf3be2560c
JHBonarius: yeah, in the mean time I could. before I was doing stupid things as storing the whole node in the vector, std::moving the best Node as new root....
MSmits: this is generally what my node looks like
MSmits: (this one is for C4)
JHBonarius: that was dumb, as it would break and invalidate all patent poiniters
MSmits: everything becomes simpler when you switch to an object pool
MSmits: Node nodes[NODE_MAX];
JHBonarius: _i can tell if a node is expanded by the fact that the index of the first child it points to is 0 or not_
just have to check that you're not at a terminal node
MSmits: it will still be 0
JHBonarius: YEah, I have an object pool for UTTT
MSmits: when i create children i set it to 0
JHBonarius: but terminal node has no children, so nothing to set to 0
MSmits: no i mean, for each child
MSmits: the terminal node is still a child
MSmits: so it will start with its childindex at 0
JHBonarius: oh, that
MSmits: then when i try to expand it i will find out it is terminal
MSmits: my expansion function always does a pretty deep checking for terminal nodes
JHBonarius: oh?
MSmits: sometiomes it's almost like a small depth minimax. The nodes i consider terminal are usually game ended in 1 or 2 turns
MSmits: 1 or 2 plies
JHBonarius: smitsimax :P
JHBonarius: that's long ago
MSmits: so for C4, I consider nodes terminal if there is no possible move that does not give the opponent a win next turn
MSmits: so the nodes arent officially terminal but they are in my tree
MSmits: ah yeah i havent done smitsimax for a long time, it doesnt work for boardgames really
JHBonarius: Me remembers..
MSmits: btw, I have been thinking hard about a way to make use of the fact that CTTT has islands
MSmits: it feels like you should be able to make use of it to solve the game 30 plies or more before the end
MSmits: divide and conquer
MSmits: but I get stuck on this
MSmits: I only solve 13 plies now
MSmits: which gets me rank 4 with the mirror trick
MSmits: but with 30 plies, i'd even beat the tric
jacek: with 100 plies, youll be unbeatable
MSmits: indeed\
JHBonarius: plies?
MSmits: moves
MSmits: turn = both players move
MSmits: ply = 1 player moves
JHBonarius: p-lies?
MSmits: no
MSmits: ply singular
JHBonarius: pl-ies?
jacek: pries
MSmits: just plies
JHBonarius: police?:cop:
JHBonarius: sorry, I think I need a break
MSmits: thats ok, think of my island problem and come back with a solution so i can take the nr 1 before i quit :P
JHBonarius: quit?
MSmits: move on to different multi
MSmits: already did more or less
MSmits: but the island thing stuck in my head
MSmits: i hate thinking about a problem and then not solving it
jacek: world hunger
MSmits: yeah thats why i dont think about that
gcp: hi there
Jerrasterix: hi gcp
jacek: good morning
gcp: hi jerrasterix! good day to you! :)
Bonis: start the clash bro
MSmits: bruh
Jerrasterix: jacek, its evening in India :confused:
MSmits: jacek is a flat earther so...
MSmits: everywhere morning at the same time :)
Jerrasterix: :rolling_eyes:
MSmits: hey, respect his beliefs :P
MSmits: don't try to argue it, you'll bring the skydome crashing down on him
Jerrasterix: at least, he have to consider that time zones exist :shrug:
MSmits: they don't. It's a conspiracy
MSmits: if you think so, you're in on it
Jerrasterix: Then why's out American brothers still snoring on bed ???
MSmits: lazy
Jerrasterix: :joy:
Jerrasterix: maybe you are right !!
MSmits: hey it's not me thinking this
MSmits: the earth is obviously a cube
MSmits: which explains timezones
Jerrasterix: Flat, sphere, next cube...
MSmits: and the inspiration that created dice
Jerrasterix: Thanks god no one have gone for donut
MSmits: Donut Earthers are mental. I agree
MSmits: You'd see parts of the earth in the sky
MSmits: flat earther community should have been a wake up call imho. It's older than Qanon.
MSmits: flat earther does little harm, but if people will believe that, then...
Jerrasterix: atleast the famous greek, who predicted mostly wrong, was right about Earth being a sphere
MSmits: well that's not really a point in favor of the spherical earth camp :P
TheBattleGiant_2959: mostly wrong ,what??
Jerrasterix: yeah, Aristotle
Jerrasterix: So you are a cube earther MSmits ??
MSmits: no lol
MSmits: I teach physics. That would have been an interesting belief to hold while teaching astrophysics
sillix: bobo earther
Jerrasterix: Ohh... you teach physics ?? uni prof ??
MSmits: nah high school on average 16-17 yr olds, highest level
MSmits: but this year i mostly teach computer science
MSmits: just got my degree for that
Jerrasterix: Nice !! congrats
MSmits: thanks!
MSmits: oh and just to be clear, afaik jacek is not a flat-earther :P
Jerrasterix: :+1:
jacek: oO
jacek: https://i.redd.it/3tunnsgi3n701.jpg
MSmits: :)
LittleVandalSD: wy
Bonis: strat the clash bro
jacek: hm
AntiSquid: MSmits how come you didn't go for astrophysics ? can't say uninteresting can you ?
AntiSquid: "can't say IT'S uninteresting" ate up a whole word in there
MSmits: astrophysics is just a part of physics in high school
MSmits: I studied astrophysics as the university, but it is for 70% the same thing as different areas of physics
MSmits: like theoretical physics or experimental physics
MSmits: only the last part (master) is different
MSmits: I did a master in astrophysics and science teaching
jacek: so you can build rockets now
Cure: peter
Alonius: Can someone please provide us a clue about sherloc holmes last problem?
jacek: :zipper_mouth:
YCSVenom: ATLA
MSmits: jacek i can't build anything unless it's legos :P
dtnguyen123: lol
dtnguyen123: ????
dtnguyen123: :eyes:
dtnguyen123: :mouth:
dtnguyen123: :mouth:
jacek: no school today :thinking:
andrew911: heyy
AntiSquid: got a masters? you could be a host for a fun series like Neil de Grass
AntiSquid: ya i was referring to pursuing something outside of highschool
AntiSquid: is this chat always this dead ? Automaton2000
Automaton2000: is there a way to find out
MSmits: AntiSquid the reason i didnt go further into astrophysics is that I am a weird person that doesn't want to travel the world
MSmits: I could maybe have done a PHD here, but other than that I would have to go abroad
MSmits: Dutch astrophysics is at such a high level that you're not good enough to stay. They get the best from all over the world.
MSmits: besides that, I should have gone into computer science from the start. It turns out that that is much more my thing
AntiSquid: makes sense
AntiSquid: sorry for the weird questioning, just had this random youtube recommendation earlier and it reminded me smits had written his paper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW_qIqLhPkI
AntiSquid: you can reach a limit in any field though and a place where you're not good enough to compete with the top of the world, i never consider i shouldn't have been a chef :P
MSmits: It's not that I wasn't good enough (or I think i wasn't). It's just that you're not good enough right after you finish PHD. So you have to get better elsewhere
MSmits: and it's considered good to have been places...
MSmits: nice video btw
MSmits: it's fun to see how when they visit eachothers lectures it's like being a student again
The_King_of_Demons: Hi! I signed in CodinGame like half an hour ago!!
MSmits: welcome!
The_King_of_Demons: I was searching through the web to find some unblocked games then I'm here!!
The_King_of_Demons: Do you think Among Us 2 will be released??
jacek: oh my
The_King_of_Demons: Hmmm??
jacek: half an hour and already lvl 3? :thinking:
jacek: pretty sus
The_King_of_Demons: Well, I sometimes manage to get things done quicker than expected lol.
The_King_of_Demons: So, follow for follow somebody??
The_King_of_Demons: Anybody??
The_King_of_Demons: It's like you following somebody so they follow you!!
MSmits: I don't follow
MSmits: I mean, I don't understand what you mean
Scarfield: badum tss
The_King_of_Demons: ??
MSmits: :question:
The_King_of_Demons: What does that mean @Scarfield
Scarfield: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU the_
MSmits: thats when you hit something with your bicycle and you spring a leak
MSmits: or that
monseur: hmm
The_King_of_Demons: Oh 😕
The_King_of_Demons: @MSmits
MSmits: it is I
MSmits: btw, the @ does nothin
The_King_of_Demons: I dunno what's going on now.
MSmits: The_King_of_Demons
MSmits: what color is it
MSmits: I did it without @
The_King_of_Demons: ??????????????????????????????????
MSmits: this chat is more advanced than discord. We upgraded from @'s
The_King_of_Demons: Oh
The_King_of_Demons: Of course.
MSmits: you can use tab button to finish a name
MSmits: that's if you have one
MSmits: so i type The_ and then tab
MSmits: and poof there's you're name
MSmits: your
The_King_of_Demons: The_King_of_Demons
MSmits: thats your name
MSmits: I'm glad we are having this intellectual discussion
The_King_of_Demons: Ok I get it now.
MSmits: let me know if there is any more confusion
The_King_of_Demons: K!
MSmits: Btw, you only need one "?". But you can use the big one
MSmits: :grey_question:
The_King_of_Demons: Well my mom made pizza rolls brb.
Wontonimo: :question:
The_King_of_Demons: I'm a 4th grade 9 year old boy lol
MSmits: that's ok
Wontonimo: no need to give such exact details
The_King_of_Demons: sry lol
MSmits: my dog is 6 yrs old
Wontonimo: you are starting to code at around the same time I did
Wontonimo: congrats!
The_King_of_Demons: Oh
Scarfield: I can ride my bike with no handlebars
The_King_of_Demons: cool
MSmits: you mean you're not touching the steering thingy or does it not have rubbers?
Wontonimo: as far as I got at that age was print statements, if statements, variables (no arrays), and goto statements (worse than functions)
Wontonimo: but I made some really fun text adventure games that I was (and still am) proud of
Scarfield: its from a song smitsi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLUX0y4EptA
MSmits: o
Wontonimo: what programming language are you focusing on The_King_of_Demons ?
The_King_of_Demons: Go
The_King_of_Demons: That's the language
MSmits: we also have the game Go
The_King_of_Demons: K!]
The_King_of_Demons: :))))))
Wontonimo: I'm not familiar with Go, so I can't give you much help or resources.
MSmits: same
MSmits: well not language specific stuff
MSmits: computational thinking is not tied to any specific language though]
The_King_of_Demons: after that maybe JavaScript
MSmits: why javascript?
Wontonimo: I can give you some inspiration projects. Here is one that I helped another person here around your age. https://tech.io/snippet/elZDDbt
The_King_of_Demons: I dunno.
MSmits: are you looking to do code for websites?
The_King_of_Demons: Nah not really
Wontonimo: He wrote up the game, but instead of instant input it you had to press enter
Wontonimo: I helped him add the instant input
Wontonimo: I just played it and got to turn 43
The_King_of_Demons: I'll play
MSmits: your racing game made me realize why I never got a drivers license
MSmits: I can get to turn 1 :P
The_King_of_Demons: Oh sad
Wontonimo: here is another example of something close to what I would have written when I was 9 https://tech.io/snippet/lWpWe8m
The_King_of_Demons: Oh cool
The_King_of_Demons: Imma do Clash of Code
Wontonimo: gotta go. Good luck The_King_of_Demons ! Keep it simple for now. Enjoy doing stuff with text.
The_King_of_Demons: K!
MSmits: yep, also if the timelimit is too much for you, it's better to do normal puzzles
MSmits: clashes are stressful
The_King_of_Demons: ya ikr I am waiting for it to start
MSmits: I did not mean the waiting, i meant the fact that you only get 15 mins to find a solution :)
The_King_of_Demons: I got so stressed I accidently closed the tab 😭
MSmits: ahh dont worry about it, either you can go back in, or you're out and can do something else
MSmits: puzzles are better
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/training/easy
The_King_of_Demons: Thanks for the link
BlaiseVonEbuthIII: Bot contests are better
The_King_of_Demons: I'll work on coding AI (Artificial Intelligence)
MSmits: works too, harder than easy puzzles though
MSmits: (mostly)
The_King_of_Demons: Ya
The_King_of_Demons: I'm done
The_King_of_Demons: Wait, it didn't take that long.
The_King_of_Demons: Not as long as I thought.
Roya_hdr: Hi, how can I see my previews clash on games?
Roya_hdr: is it possible?
LailaJamad: Hi, where can I find examples of technical tests ?
The_King_of_Demons: What do you mean??
The_King_of_Demons: of technical tests?
LailaJamad: I mean tests used in hiring process
The_King_of_Demons: I don't know then.
The_King_of_Demons: Sorry.
LailaJamad: Thanks anyway for answering
The_King_of_Demons: :smiley_cat:
The_King_of_Demons: I love cats btw
jacek: happy Caturday
Scarfield: :wave:
The_King_of_Demons: yah lol
The_King_of_Demons: I like your profile pic jacek
The_King_of_Demons: :smile:
Shrimpster: Yo! In MCTSsolver do you keep the winning positions in a list and compare every position to the list? Seems pretty unefficient, but maybe its better than not doing that :/
Shrimpster: With "winning" I mean solved, and with "compare to the list" I mean check if it's in the list
The_King_of_Demons: I haven't played THAT
5DN1L: The_King_of_Demons You wanna try? https://www.codingame.com/training/hard/monte-carlo-tree-search-exercise
The_King_of_Demons: Sure
The_King_of_Demons: I'll play
moustapha_coding: yow guys :)
jacek: Shrimpster huh? in mcts solver you just backpropagate wins/loses more efficiently
jacek: what do you mean by compare the list
PluckyPenguin: Anyone know of any more challenges (either on CG or elsewhere) that's like the fall challenge? Really like the adventure style format
jacek: so, the escape rooms
PluckyPenguin: yea escape rooms or adventure style
MACKEYTH: https://escape.codingame.com/games
MACKEYTH: Several similar adventures there
PluckyPenguin: they won't let me start single player
MACKEYTH: Ah, yeah. :(
PluckyPenguin: i guess i could create another account and open it in a diff browser
PluckyPenguin: but a lot are locked behind a pay wall that looks like you need 2 be a company to take part
jacek: thats 'cooperation' part
MACKEYTH: Isn't there somewhere you can post to invite people to pickup CE teams?
MACKEYTH: Discord or chatroom or somesuch?
PluckyPenguin: I imagine so I'll search the forums see what I fidn
PluckyPenguin: is there a quick way to get the code editor to re-evaluate errors? It seems to get stuck and flag errors that dont exist
MACKEYTH: I've noticed that too.
PluckyPenguin: Have to refresh the page and sometiems I lose my progress if i dont remember to copy and paste
MACKEYTH: You can try running a test case to save your code, then refreshing
PluckyPenguin: ahh sweet thanks :)
MACKEYTH: Bonus, the compiler will tell you about any real (syntactic) errors when you do that.
PluckyPenguin: yea i'm currently ignoring a warning about trying to add 1 to a non-numeric value lol
jacek: warnings are for losers
Husoski: Ignoring warnings is for losers.
AstroHydes: Winners just segfault
MACKEYTH: https://youtu.be/jW6xTkivmto
SupercraftD: i just learned about the colon for strings in python and my eyes are opened
Husoski: Slices...yes, they're nice. That works on lists and tuples too.
MACKEYTH: Oh, what does it do? Py noob here
MACKEYTH: Oh, riiight. Py treats strings like char lists, right?
Husoski: s[::-1] reverses a string. s[::2] gets every other character. s[1::2] does, to but skips the first, and much more.
Husoski: More like tuples than lists, since you can't change chars in a string.
jacek: oh my
MACKEYTH: What's the most efficient way to edit strings in Python? I see StringBuilders recommended a lot for Java
MACKEYTH: As opposed to getting and reconcatenating substrings
jacek: /join()
jacek: .join()
vaeng: the colon for strings? you mean slicing?
SupercraftD: yeah
fzfz: strings are immutable though
CezarCC: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/20550815d290734d8374e9b3d704162b1baaa60
Win4life: Just wanted to say Hello
SupercraftD: hi
MACKEYTH: Hey, what's up?
The_King_of_Demons: Hi
The_King_of_Demons: How you
MACKEYTH: Good. Doing puzzles
MACKEYTH: Just finished https://www.codingame.com/training/expert/the-last-crusade-episode-3
MACKEYTH: Whoops no I didn't.
The_King_of_Demons: Oh lol
MACKEYTH: I meant this
MACKEYTH: https://www.codingame.com/training/expert/the-last-crusade-episode-3
The_King_of_Demons: :joy:
The_King_of_Demons: k
MertT01: "How you" is so long, you should say HoYo
The_King_of_Demons: ok
MACKEYTH: Or the Appalachian variant: Hihowarya
The_King_of_Demons: ok
jacek: :upside_down:
The_King_of_Demons: :upside_down:
jacek: othello slowly being overtaken by japan :thinking:
The_King_of_Demons: Hi :upside_down:
jacek: ohai
jacek: how may we help you, Sir/Madam
The_King_of_Demons: My head is upside-down :upside_down:
derjack: amateur
The_King_of_Demons: What do you mean?? :upside_down:
The_King_of_Demons: by "amateur" :upside_down:
derjack: (╯°□°)╯︵ :slight_smile:
The_King_of_Demons: :smiley:
The_King_of_Demons: :smiley:
The_King_of_Demons: :smiley:
The_King_of_Demons: :smiley:
The_King_of_Demons: :smiley:
AstroHydes: :no_mouth:
The_King_of_Demons: :no_mouth:
The_King_of_Demons: :no_mouth:
The_King_of_Demons: :no_mouth:
The_King_of_Demons: :no_mouth:
picoplankton: removing the comment lines helps
picoplankton: :(
picoplankton: plus the length is language depended... not a fair heat
SupercraftD: eh i mean
SupercraftD: its still helpful to reduce your code or smth like that
SupercraftD: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/205528718e89c85bd65a271c389ad6492b05d44
geoh69: i love you
geoh69: how are you guys
geoh69: what abiuot you man
geoh69: what about you
geoh69: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
geoh69: dont die i beg you
geoh69: life goes on and on and on and on on on and on and on
geoh69: omg imy so much
geoh69: fuuuu
geoh69: niggaaa
Wontonimo: well geoh69, perhaps you are not familiar with community chat rooms. Be respectful, don't spam, talk about coding or coding game, and (generally) try to stay on topic.
experiencednoob: i need help im not that good at coding and im stuck on angle and distance
