TechnoBot: Excuse me
TechnoBot: Who wants to 1v1 me
howdoyoulive: will, first for all, the if-else order is important
howdoyoulive: if you having one if condition is angle<90, and one else if condition is angle<75, since the angle<90 is met, the angle<75 will be ignore
OnTheBrink: Just played "The Bridge". describing it to my gf worked best by comparing it to the squid game glass bridge. thought that was funny.
The_chosen_coder: Hello
humanbeethoven: how is everyone doing
humanbeethoven: bs]
TechnoBot: hi
TechnoBot: @humanbeethoven
TechnoBot: we are doing fine ;)
TechnoBot: *wink*
TechnoBot: /me
TechnoBot: Squid game is EZ
AlanSpacer: Kill everyone before you play a single game
AlanSpacer: insta squid game win
TechnoBot: lol
TechnoBot: i play minecraft, squid game is easy
TechnoBot: i just kill everyone
TechnoBot: in the games
TechnoBot: like pushing someone into the void in glass bridge
TechnoBot: void()
TechnoBot: lol
TechnoBot: ez wins
Thorcode: bruh
Thorcode: TechnoBot why don't you talk about code or something else?
AlanSpacer: prosecute the man for having interests
Uljahn: for having interests other than coding :smirk:
Thorcode: Uljahn I will beat you in clash first :)
Uljahn: ok
Thorcode: again?
LordGrim972: Hello
Thorcode: hi
TechnoBot: brgb
TechnoBot: brb
AndrewJP: be red green blue
Thorcode: code it not easy to do :)
Thorcode: is
Thorcode: how can I get the nothing output?
Thorcode: input
Thorcode: the input is nothing so how can I use if?
jzen: What puzzle is it?
Thorcode: a test
Thorcode: like the temperature
Thorcode: I can't solve it when the input is nothing
Thorcode: so how can I get nothing input
jzen: Well, in Temperatures you first get the number of inputs, so you can check if that is 0
Thorcode: I know that
Thorcode: but when the input is nothing like "" how can I handle it
Uljahn: temperatures = input()
if not temperatures: print('nothing')
Thorcode: oh thanks
Thorcode: what is EOF error?
Uljahn: alternative way could be
if temperatures == "": but it's not pythonic
KalamariKing: EOF is end of file, meaning a string or parenthesis or something is not closed
KalamariKing: Thorcode
pihack: HEY WHAT LANGUAGE IS BETTER FOR BIGIN?
Debelyoud: python I think
Thorcode: have a certifications in Codingame is not easy :(
Thorcode: https://www.codingame.com/evaluate/?id=4715438f0a443831c6649083421961f2bee9958
Thorcode: pass this test is not easy :)
Thorcode: my skill suck :(
jzen: You'll get there eventually
Thorcode: my score suck
jzen: What did you get?
Thorcode: it is less than 1&
Thorcode: 1%
jzen: Maybe it is the anti-cheating system
Thorcode: ?
jzen: I believe I read something about that
Thorcode: try that Jzen
jzen: So it probably checks if you switch tabs a lot and such
jzen: Pure speculation, though
Thorcode: oh
jzen: Try what?
Thorcode: the test
jzen: I already did it
Thorcode: what is your score?
jzen: >99%
StyllyMyle: Finally done
Thorcode: wow
jzen: You can see it on my profile I believe
pihack: what do u thing that what language is bettert ? js or py
jzen: Either
StyllyMyle: both are good pihack
Thorcode: pro
StyllyMyle: Hey how to mention people here?
jzen: Just say their name
StyllyMyle: jzen did you get it?
jzen: StyllyMyle like this
StyllyMyle: jzen: StyllyMyle like this
did you get the red message?
jzen: You can click on a name to dm
jzen: Yes I do
StyllyMyle: Oh nicee
StyllyMyle: StyllyMyle self ping!
StyllyMyle: StyllyMyle mn
StyllyMyle: Nop
StyllyMyle: Anyways I finally finished with my bot to have clash of code links in discord
Thorcode: https://imgur.com/a/67uUqg7
Thorcode: my first time :)
jzen: Thorcode It seems I was mistaken
Thorcode: ?
jzen: "You must complete this test on your own.
However, you can (and we strongly recommend that you do) make use of all available resources (Internet, books, etc.) and use your preferred development environment to prepare your answers."
Thorcode: oh
Thorcode: ok
jzen: Did you pass all of the tests?
Thorcode: not really
Thorcode: I will try it again next month
Thorcode: :)
Thorcode: some of my code got error and I ignore it :)
jzen: Yeah, that strategy sounds less than optimal
Thorcode: IDK I'm just 13 I have a long road to move :)
Thorcode: this site is great
jacek: !
Uljahn: the certification was too easy, almost like a clash
Uljahn: "better than >99% of professionals"... guess im a professional now :scream_cat:
jzen: Professionals in what though? Maybe they had a bunch of
jzen: Bakers take the test or something
jzen: :smile:
jzen: Not to throw shade at the programming bakers of course
Uljahn: btw there is one highly ranked chief-cooker among us :smiley:
jzen: Who?
Uljahn: AntiSquid
jacek: math :( question: given car position, car angle and destination position, how do i compute the angle to destination? https://i.imgur.com/jmlsqjK.png
darkhorse64: acos (scalar product( car current direction, car desired direction))
jacek: i have something like atan2(deltaY,deltaX) - car.angle
darkhorse64: looks good to me
BizepsBaschdi: 55
Ran_42: I think I have a bug, in the settings I have - "editor.bracketPairColorization.enabled": false,
but it still colors the pairs in my code
KalamariKing: same thing's happening to me, could be a cg glitch
Ran_42: ye probably it happend out of nowhere
niluthebear: yeah same, also editor color as light theme
niluthebear: code size problem also
Ran_42: ye it happend to me now too
Ran_42: editor is white and cant change size
KalamariKing: the editor turned white for me but that was brought back to dark mode after just toggling the dark mode switch
TechnoBot: hi
[CG]Thibaud: it's a bug Ran_42 , thx for bringing it up
TechnoBot: hello
niluthebear: :wave:
TechnoBot: ummm
TechnoBot: i have a question
TechnoBot: How come there arn't any tutorials around here????
TechnoBot: :confused:
Schwase: what language
Akshei: Go to Activities -> Learn
Akshei: And there are a lot of tutorials
Schwase: ^
Hwai: oooo
Hwai: does it have tutorials for absolute beginners?
KalamariKing: not really
Uljahn: just search the web, there are plenty of free tutorials for every language
KalamariKing: ^
CrystalS: how do we create our own codingames for small groups?
Uljahn: codingames?
KalamariKing: clashes you mean>?
Uljahn: you can create a private clash or join a coding escape room as a group
eulerscheZahl: hello
struct: hi
eulerscheZahl: that "contest" announcement is back on my front page, I already clicked the X before :/
eulerscheZahl: and i dropped last-minute at codeforces :sob:
struct: :(
struct: which rank?
eulerscheZahl: 17
struct: damn
eulerscheZahl: tablets up to #16
eulerscheZahl: by 14 points, should have spammed more random seeds
struct: still a good rank
eulerscheZahl: and a fun tasks. wasn't sure if I like it at first but it got better then more I looked at it
DomiKo: still gg euler
derjack: oh my https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/amgqBOy_460svvp9.webm
struct: ban
eulerscheZahl: my ears
eulerscheZahl: can we actually ban derjack? because of the smurf rule, no 2 accounts per user
struct: ban jacek instead
miszu: lol smurf rule? Lots of people voilated that rule
derjack: whats smurt rule
_NikJ: Congrats on the result eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: i only violated it for valid reasons. such as a chat making the whole website crash during contests
_NikJ: Smart watch ain't that bad
eulerscheZahl: thanks nikJ
DomiKo: https://www.codingame.com/blog/coderpad-codingame-join/
eulerscheZahl: what's codepad?
eulerscheZahl: coderpad*
DomiKo: I didn't know to that moment
eulerscheZahl: i'll read the post first before drawing early conclusions
DomiKo: "From a team of 30 to around 60 now, we’re all very excited by this change."
eulerscheZahl: i saw the team size increasing in the "about us" section
[CG]Thibaud: the about us section doesn't include the CoderPad members yet
eulerscheZahl: i mean that i've seen CG itself grow over the years
gavi: hello. about multithreading, it seems that CG does not provide multiple threads because I never see solutions taking advantage of them.
Or is it something planned for CG?
eulerscheZahl: you can use multithreading. but your code will always run on a single core
gavi: thank you
eulerscheZahl: i can't tell about future plans
eulerscheZahl: there's hyperthreading which might give you a small advantage. but probably not worth the effort
BrunoFelthes: is it the end of the codingame contests?
gavi: ok, thank you Euler. By the way, is there a nickname that you like for your long name?
eulerscheZahl: euler is fine. or eul[tab] for autocompletion
_NikJ: yeah, 2.71828
derjack: toad
Astrobytes: Just e
eulerscheZahl: or Ralph
_NikJ: That's for codegolf version Astrobytes
gavi: ok eulerscheZahl (yes, tab is useful to learn)
eulerscheZahl: so many options
Astrobytes: lol _NikJ
eulerscheZahl: back to blogpost
gavi: Ralph? is it your real name
eulerscheZahl: yes
gavi: very well, interesting!
[CG]Thibaud: I don't think so BrunoFelthes
derjack: like from the simpsons?
Astrobytes: fun fact: we all have real names :P
eulerscheZahl: you are Christopher Align - html formatting expert
eulerscheZahl: still playing our palindromes game
Astrobytes: *anagrams
eulerscheZahl: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
LordGrim972: Hi guyss
Tonecas: hey!
eulerscheZahl: how did they get this fusion through the cartel office?
Fast-Byte22: hi
Astrobytes: cartel?
Fast-Byte22: si
eulerscheZahl: antitrust division?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.dict.cc/?s=kartellamt
Fast-Byte22: Rambo387 do u know him?
Fast-Byte22: he is gay
Astrobytes: Ah gotcha
Fast-Byte22: huh?
Hery387: he's not talking to u buddy
Astrobytes: That's the competition and markets authority here
Astrobytes: Fast-Byte22: behave yourself please, this is not a play area
Fast-Byte22: ok
Hery387: Astrobytes: I'm sorry, he's my friend. He is bored or something. It wasn't meant as an offence. Sorry once again :)
eulerscheZahl: just don't do it again and we are fine
Astrobytes: ^ this
Hery387: I agree, I told him.
Tonecas: Friends, i'm starting to get bored doing clashes with python, should i move on to javascript or ruby?
Zenoscave: Ruby
Zenoscave: But only focus on code golf with it
Zenoscave: or perl /shrug
Astrobytes: Holy Communion Batman! A wild Zeno appears
Zenoscave: also, Pew Pew
reCurse: I'm surely massively cynical, but is this why numbers were important this year? :thinking:
Astrobytes: pewpewpew
jacek: move on to something other than clashes
jacek: oO
Tonecas: Im a bit iliterate with code golf but i'll try
Tonecas: I use clashes to refine my knowledge of a programming language
Zenoscave: reCurse are we speaking of the anouncement?
Tonecas: No need to stop now :grin:
Astrobytes: reCurse: I'm guessing it's somehow related
reCurse: Yes, was just curious of others reaction
reCurse: To me that was 1+1=2
Zenoscave: My first thought on seeing it was "Oh, THAT'S why"
Zenoscave: why what, not sure. but it seemed to fit
reCurse: A lot makes sense to me now
reCurse: Oh well, gg
Zenoscave: gg
Zenoscave: F
jacek: what numbers? what announcement?
Zenoscave: check discord jacek
jacek: thats the last place i check
Astrobytes: perhaps if you stopped trolling for a moment you'd notice jacek :smirk:
Zenoscave: jacek, stop trolling? I'll delete my profile if he does
Astrobytes: hehehe
struct: jacek has stopped trolling for a while
Zenoscave: DAMMIT
Astrobytes: now he does it with derjack instead
reCurse: Coderpad acquired Codingame, long story short jacek
eulerscheZahl: really that way and not like meeting in the middle?
eulerscheZahl: time to read again
reCurse: If you read between the lines and do some research, it's easy to see who acquired who and "joining forces" is always PR spin for an acquisition
eulerscheZahl: oh dear :(
Westicles: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20211013005040/en/CoderPad-Acquires-CodinGame-to-Improve-Technical-Recruiting-and-Speed-Hiring-Decisions
jacek: oh my
eulerscheZahl: so we are now the 5% of a <50%?
eulerscheZahl: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
struct: who knows it might end up being good
reCurse: lol
struct: its not like cg was taking a good path imo
reCurse: Maybe I've seen too many acquisition stories
eulerscheZahl: i'll sit it out and see what happens. nothing I can do about it anyways
struct: true
Marchete: :popcorn:
miszu: does this mean CG got aquired by another company?
eulerscheZahl: does anyone still use skype?
eulerscheZahl: yes miszu
Marchete: me...
Zenoscave: Have you skyped MK yet? He wants to show some code help
eulerscheZahl: let me think of another acquisition then... EA buys Westwood?
miszu: EA bought bioware
eulerscheZahl: MK uses teamviewer, not skype
miszu: Microsoft bought Bethesda
Zenoscave: Ah right. Forgot
TheBlueBias: Yahoo bought google... Wait... :p
3141948: > https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20211013005040/en/CoderPad-Acquires-CodinGame-to-Improve-Technical-Recruiting-and-Speed-Hiring-Decisions
Our goose is cooked 😂
TheBlueBias: From my point that can't be worse than the current management... So meh.
reCurse: Wait until some things start disappearing
reCurse: Might have a different opinion
reCurse: Oh well
Astrobytes: Like users? :P
TheBlueBias: ^^
Marchete: absolutely
reCurse: I was thinking content but sure maybe
Marchete: like Clash of Code? dumped
TheBlueBias: Like bot contests? :smirk:
Marchete: or all except Clash of Code :rofl:
eulerscheZahl: clash will survive. they even announced a clash session for tomorrow on twitch
eulerscheZahl: escape will survive too
Marchete: oh man
reCurse: Maybe they'll start questioning why they're paying for cloud compute on multiplayer games
reCurse: Who knows
Marchete: indeed
Zenoscave: T.O.D. 1:16 PM UTC.
jacek: maybe theyll cout payments for moderators :scream:
jacek: cut
Marchete: and the first player on the rankings has an ugly toad as avatar? freaks! remove all that!
eulerscheZahl: cut payments for mods? no more free insults after ban?
Astrobytes: :D
Zenoscave: and why do a few of them just say PEWPEW and disappear for months?
its.Arsh: web dev or android dev?
jacek: yes
TheBlueBias: CG (understand the 5% part) is already in deliquescence, so it can continue this way, or improve (I don't think so but who knows? :p ). Can't see how it can be worse (except total deletion of the public site).
reCurse: I thought you were banned
eulerscheZahl: his new account isn't
reCurse: In any case, can always be worse
jacek: banned?
eulerscheZahl: baNNed?
3141948: > baNNed?
😱
ProCoder03: How to change name in my Certificate, I made a typo....
eulerscheZahl: so, coderpad had another acquisition before: https://coderpad.io/blog/coderpad-expands-technical-interview-capabilities-with-acquisition-of-adaptilab-hiring-product/
eulerscheZahl: does anyone know that platform and how it changed after?
eulerscheZahl: "This site can’t be reached"
reCurse: Doesn't mean the terms are the same
eulerscheZahl: well..
reCurse: But to me it's pretty clear what their focus is
Marchete: CodingEscape and Coc?
eulerscheZahl: let's wait and see. we still have a community that they hopefully want to keep
reCurse: Wouldn't bet my chips on that one
eulerscheZahl: and be it just for their polls and market research
Astrobytes: Assuming they know or care about that
Marchete: I've been on adquisitions before, depending on the size you can't see any change in months
Marchete: even years
eulerscheZahl: i might even watch their clash stream tomorrow
Marchete: acquisitions*
Marchete: but it was probably bigger than this
struct: cant the target be codingame for work?
Marchete: yes
Westicles: Hopefully the CG employees made some personal money out of it. They deserve a reward regardless how it turns out
KalamariKing: ^
reCurse: Hope they had equity because otherwise it's probably just a few
Astrobytes: ^
3141948: Seems to be a US acquisition
reCurse: It is
Astrobytes: Yup
reCurse: They are all in on tech interviews and probably more strict with unrelated spendings
reCurse: But Marchete is right, might take a year or two before it happens
Marchete: Imo you buy companies for three reasons: take out competitors, enter in a market fast, and/or get some feature/tool
Marchete: pick your choice :)
reCurse: 2M+ developer community
jacek: "developer" who can play clashes
Marchete: market fast can also be client/asset portfolio
Astrobytes: Well, they've inherited this motley crew of salty dogs :P
reCurse: Sorry I'm just allergic to PR spins, this is the treatment
3141948: > 2M+ developer community
Number seems to be over estimated
reCurse: No kidding
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/leaderboards/general/global
2,576,857 CodinGamers in this leaderboard
Astrobytes: Also: "CoderPals"
eulerscheZahl: definitely all active users
3141948: Sometimes i think i am alone here lol thanks for these statistics
Illedan: :sob:
3141948: I feel better 😉 now
Astrobytes: heh
TheBlueBias: Yeah, now you know there's probably unfortunate users who read your messages when you log your code and thoughts in the chat...
TheBlueBias: :speak_no_evil:
Illedan: I don't like the Coderpad news. I think it will move the focus of CG somewhere I don't want it to be for too long
eulerscheZahl: i've seen this sentence before
Illedan: Yeah
Illedan: :)
reCurse: Well, you know, don't be sad it's over, be happy it happened
Astrobytes: True.
Illedan: Word
Illedan: Life moves on
Astrobytes: And good luck to them moving forward.
eulerscheZahl: years of fun games for free. and i've also learned a lot on the way that I never planned to learn
eulerscheZahl: not just the bot coding but also web requests for instance
Astrobytes: and English grammar/spelling from me
Astrobytes: :P
eulerscheZahl: "lollygagging"
Astrobytes: hehehe
Wontonimo: hey
eulerscheZahl: you missed a lot Wontonimo
Wontonimo: it was great meeting everyone. i hope to find a similar space to hang out with everyone here
eulerscheZahl: https://www.reddit.com/r/HighQualityGifs/comments/1yuljo/gif_remake_community_pizza_gif/
Astrobytes: Hey we're not gone just yet Wontonimo :taco:
Illedan: But in 5
Illedan: 4
Illedan: 3
Marchete: 2
eulerscheZahl: baby?
TheBlueBias: Well. That's not over yet, still a few months...
eulerscheZahl: illedan sent too many messages in too little time
eulerscheZahl: and got silenced
Astrobytes: baby?!
Illedan: :P
eulerscheZahl: yes, Ille hates his baby
Illedan: back, baby was on tv
Illedan: not
Astrobytes: hahaha
eulerscheZahl: he told me, i have proof :D
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Wontonimo: well, my discord is wontonimo#4591 . I'd send it to all of you privately, but here is faster
eulerscheZahl: he was just quickly typing and mixing up contest between 2 sentences to be fair. but it really read like him hating the baby
eulerscheZahl: why would we need your discord?
Astrobytes: haha excellent
miszu: I missed a lot of talk here. Is CG going down or what?
eulerscheZahl: acquisitioned
eulerscheZahl: and we are thinking of worst-case scenarios
miszu: oh okay
miszu: I don't think they will stop the free thing on this website
gavi: oh... acquisitioned... in case of worst case scenarios, is there a second best place, similar to his?
eulerscheZahl: that's the last website that coderpad bought: https://www.adaptilab.com/
gavi: this
gavi: "This site can’t be reached" wow....
TheBlueBias: Anyway, all of this is your fault Illedan. You given the permission by upvoting THIS forum post... :angry:
_NikJ: Huh? What's going on?
eulerscheZahl: i know exactly WHICH post
Astrobytes: lol blame Illedan :rofl:
JoseSantosL: saluton!
Astrobytes: where are the pitchfork and flaming torch emojis?
Illedan: sure, I can delete
TheBlueBias: With the salt one Astrobytes
eulerscheZahl: and what makes me even more sad: one of the rare occasions to have an active chat these days
Astrobytes: Aye, indeed.
jacek: my fairly active every day
jacek: but i cant type recently
Astrobytes: lol, yeah but it's usually just a few of us talking
Astrobytes: in the worst case, I guess we have to emit some kind of distress signal to other platforms which might take us in :P
eulerscheZahl: there is RAIC which delayed the contest but i'm optimistic that it will happen
Astrobytes: Yeah, I'm relatively confident it will
eulerscheZahl: yare is very different as it allows human interaction. but could still be interesting and plans a contest within the next 6 months
struct: maybe it will be like when ubisoft bought nadeo, might be good, who knows :p
eulerscheZahl: I still haven't tried out LuxAI
darkhorse64: Most of these platforms are about solving exercises which is not really entertaining
eulerscheZahl: and board games are? :P
gavi: in case CG goes south, why don't we create something with a similar feeling to it
darkhorse64: Yes but not only
philRG: Since I know there are sentiment analysis softwares all around, I dislike giving my personal feelings
struct: because the server cost is too high gavi
philRG: wahooo scrolling failure
Marchete: do you think it struct?
struct: running a contest probably reaches the 6 digits
gavi: yes, but the chat could be on discord and the code could run in the browser, for some languages (those that can compile to webassembly)
Marchete: 100.000 usd?
reCurse: Probably more 5 digits if I had to guess
gavi: one could start from the languages that can run in the browser
jacek: lets make blockchain based on running games
Marchete: I doubt it
Wontonimo: lol jacek
struct: oh you probably right
struct: 5 seems more reasonable
Marchete: 99.999?
Marchete: that' reasonable
struct: :)
reCurse: It's definitely at least 10k
gavi: guy, what woul dbe the issue with starting with only webassebly languages?
gavi: guys
reCurse: Didn't you start that whole discussion in Discord?
reCurse: Wasn't it resolved?
gavi: yes, it was me
gavi: but now it is more dramatic (if CG should go south)
gavi: we need to find an alternative
reCurse: Not really
reCurse: On that front things didn't change
reCurse: Can't kill what's already dead
reCurse: Platform acquisition though does affect more things
gavi: for my curiosity. if the SDK is for webassemble, the chat on disord and the server is on ly used for rankings... there was an issue of cheating if the code runs in the broweser? nothing that can be solved?
reCurse: So you want a client to report game results? You don't see any problem with that?
Astrobytes: Anyway, you can use your new-found free time to pursue other interests, such as goat farming or calligraphy.
darkhorse64: Rendering teapots on GPU
gavi: webassembly is not that easy to cheat with. and cheaters can be banned
reCurse: No that's wrong
gavi: there would be no CG-backed things but still the community created would be cool
TheBlueBias: I've an idea since a few days, without any further thought, and which totally depends on if some are interested or not: What about a "shelter" site for CG's regulars. Like just a chat, or forum, or even simple visit-cards for those who wants to keep contact?
gavi: yes, let's keep contact, at the very least
struct: it will probably die pretty fast
struct: imo
reCurse: ^
jacek: do you propose... facebook?
TheBlueBias: Perhaps. That's why I'm asking. As I said, just a thought.
gavi: @reCurse the bot might run on the browser of another user, who would not know whose bot is running
gavi: so there would be no incentive to send fake results
gavi: bot could be anonimised before running on a random browser
reCurse: Oh so running arbitrary code on a random user
darkhorse64: Instead of mining bitcoins, we could mine games
gavi: but isn't webassembly in a kind of sandbox
reCurse: Anyway there are a lot of holes
reCurse: Maybe someone has the time to go through them :)
reCurse: Not me
struct: The similar thing I saw to this was lichess analysis
struct: When you request computer analysis, a pc is picked from contributors
struct: or maybe multiple, idk the details
Astrobytes: huh, I didn't know that
reCurse: Very different context that is
struct: ofc
struct: you would not gain anything by sending wrong data
dreadylein: you leak the bots to everyone, so you would need to split up binary execution into atomic instructions and then sync them at some hardpoint, its not exectly a trivial problem
mkkhell: shortest mode in clash of code sucks for C++ programmers :(
mkkhell: what lang do u recommend i learn for shortest mode?
eulerscheZahl: back to the real problems
eulerscheZahl: python. ruby. php. pearl
struct: ruby perl bash py3
eulerscheZahl: perl
mkkhell: :rolling_eyes:
eulerscheZahl: pearl is that shopping sender. bad typo
nitekat: usually ruby is the shortest
mkkhell: okeyy
mkkhell: ty
Wontonimo: dreadylein this can be solved by claiming the code on a blockchain with a hash of the binary
Marchete: change 1 byte, ezpz
jacek: :unamused:
ProCoder03: wow!! I have never seen so many people online...
eulerscheZahl: bad news summoned us
nitekat: sorry... what bad news?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20211013005040/en/CoderPad-Acquires-CodinGame-to-Improve-Technical-Recruiting-and-Speed-Hiring-Decisions
ProCoder03: yeah :disappointed:
alexr942: first interview next week, absolutely bricking it
gavi: anyone who would like to brainstorm ideas for a few minutes, about creating a user-driver alternative to CG?
gavi: I mean on discrod or eleswhere
Wontonimo: "over 2 million coders..." :thinking:
eulerscheZahl: we already discussed the drawbacks of WASM. running random code on your machine. leaking bots of other players. manipulating match results
struct: my multiple accounts helps the stats
gavi: what about a gaming engine, such as Unity or Godot (that can run ont the web).
A DLL might be the referee with hidden tests to pass
eulerscheZahl: battlesnake and also vindinium before it went down required the user to host the own bot
KalamariKing: how many of the accounts do you think *are* alts
gavi: instances would send only the input outputs
eulerscheZahl: the game server exposes an API that gives the current game state and you send back your action
eulerscheZahl: the disadvantage here: everyone has to do the own hosting. much more effort to enter the game
gavi: the DLL in Unity could do something siilar
gavi: or in Godot (the DLL would be created with an SDK)
gavi: the game engine to do the graphics locally. The DLL to exchange the status, like in a MMO game
gavi: eac DLL is one conding challenge/puzzle
gavi: coding
Marchete: CG has a pretty good jail to control bots, that's not easy to do.
eulerscheZahl: halite is open source. the server costs are the problem
struct: even the js you can write in the sdk is jailed
Wontonimo: exactly
Marchete: distributed won't work, you need similar vCPU
Marchete: i.e. preemptive VM, the cheaper as you can accept downtimes
gavi: in the game engine idea, only the bot created by the user runs locally, not other bots
5922: What are the expected impacts of the acquisition? Do you expect dramatic changes?
struct: 404
Marchete: server costs imo are not that "high"
eulerscheZahl: too early to tell 5922
Marchete: for one individual it is
gavi: ha ha 404
Wontonimo: i see this webchat as probably an early causality. perhaps turn into a support-only chat if kept at all
jacek: yeah, current moderators will ne come support
struct: maybe ill get raised
eulerscheZahl: future of webchat was discussed long ago. with the possibility of fully moving to discord
Marchete: n1-standard-64 64 vCPU 240GB $467.20 / month
Marchete: not 100.000 USD
Wontonimo: with which provider?
Marchete: google cloud preemptible
Marchete: i.e disposable at will, but multis load are bursts
struct: with how much cpu usage?
Wontonimo: okay. i wonder if there is a 2nd tier provider that costs less
Marchete: cpu usage?
Marchete: 100%?
Wontonimo: 64vcpu
struct: no way its 100%
struct: sorry
Marchete: trust me, it is ;)
Wontonimo: yeah, i would think it is
eulerscheZahl: i trust you, you have experience with it
struct: how the hell did I paid
Marchete: :rofl:
struct: 20€ / 4 hours with 32 vcpus
struct: I got scammed
Wontonimo: you didn't buy in bulk and preemptive
Marchete: because they are dedicated
struct: ah I see
Marchete: preemptive is up to 80% cheaper
Marchete: buuut
eulerscheZahl: it might just shut down
Marchete: they can kick you anytime
_NikJ: Kinda like Azure spot instances?
Marchete: they do, trust me ;)
reCurse: I don't think you can use general purpose for compute
Marchete: azure it's even better
Marchete: they have batch jobs
Marchete: pretty nice
Wontonimo: so, a mix of mostly mostly preemptive for the bot battles, and a small dedicated to host status pages
Marchete: yep
Marchete: at some point in my Numbershifting madness, I used both
Marchete: 100% cpu for days/weeks
Marchete: they didn't say me a word
Wontonimo: i'm not an expert on jailing but i have done dev ops. replicating a bunch of CG would be a huge undertaking unless it is really stripped down
MSmits: my code is a good boy, doesn't need jail
struct: its time to go faster MSmits
struct: you need to solve yavalath / c4 before its gonne
MSmits: do we really think they will shut this part down?
struct: no idea
struct: I think they mostly wanted cg for work
darkhorse64: It all depends if they see any direct or indirect value for the gaming part
struct: but is just speculation
Marchete: he is already 1st on connect4
MSmits: it's not about rank
Wontonimo: what is coderpad 's business model atm?
MSmits: just want to try and solve it :)
struct: recruiting
struct: I think its similar to cg for work
eulerscheZahl: coding interviews
Wontonimo: "Hire Confidently with
The Coding Interview Platform"
Wontonimo: okay, so anything that isn't directly related to that is on the chopping block
Marchete: btw MSmits will you use your three state idea for C4 =+}
Marchete: ?
Marchete: I find it interesting
MSmits: yeah, to try and solve it
struct: only offline
MSmits: it's 4 states btw
MSmits: empty, p1 filled, p2 filled, irrelevant filled
Marchete: X O or useless
Marchete: what's filled?
MSmits: X or O
MSmits: p1 or p2
struct: do you really need empty?
MSmits: I think so
MSmits: if something is empty you can play there
MSmits: which means it takes a turn
Marchete: but only 3 bitboards
MSmits: 2 bitboards
struct: well if it doesnt have a x or o its empty right?
MSmits: a single bitboard takes 2 states per cell
MSmits: two bitboards take 4 states
Marchete: weird but ok
MSmits: yes struct
MSmits: if a p1 bit is set, it's X, if a p2 bit is set it's O. If no bit is set it's empty, if both bits are set it's filled but useless
Wontonimo: from the statement on coderpad
Wontonimo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/286eab6f-6fc9-48a5-9098-85a493eb44b2
Wontonimo: so it really is focused on the hiring assessment
Wontonimo: not the competitions
Marchete: TLDR: CG for work
Wontonimo: yup
Marchete: who knows
Marchete: "employee engagement mechanisms"
MSmits: that's when employees agree to get married
Wontonimo: lol
[CG]Thibaud: still, it doesn't mean CG will shut down. Maybe I'm super naive
Wontonimo: i don't think CG will shut down
Wontonimo: but, like everything, change is ever present
struct: I just dont see the benefit of keeping it if the target was cg for work
MSmits: perhaps they can think of a way to do more recruiting through this part of CG
eulerscheZahl: we'll just have to wait and see i guess. you as a community manager being positive gives me some hope. for us it's "just" a website to spent our free time. for you it's what pays the rent: dealing with us grumpy nerds :D
Marchete: maybe it has double use
[CG]Thibaud: this community is an incredible asset for CG business, can be the same for CoderPad. Even more as CoderPad customers are devs, nor HR
Marchete: get CG for work, but also the Coding Escape + contests + 2M devel base
Wontonimo: and employees
MSmits: [CG]Thibaud in what way has the community been an incredible asset to CG business?
eulerscheZahl: i'll probably even have a look at your twitch stream tomorrow. not that I would care about clashing. just to see who the new owners are
MSmits: just wondering
[CG]Thibaud: branding, + indirect lead generation
darkhorse64: If CG for gamers had not value for CG, it would have long be gone
Marchete: the bad thing is that competitive hardcore geeks comes in that pack
MSmits: ahh ok
[CG]Thibaud: our clients know CG for Work because they know CG
MSmits: darkhorse64 it could have had marked funding in some way
MSmits: from outside source, i dont know how this works
MSmits: (like a donation for a company specifically to keep the community part)
MSmits: from
Marchete: maybe these white collar don't know, but right here some bots on multis are much MUCH better than state of the art papers around there
reCurse: It gave numbers for the exit strategy :p
reCurse: (admittedly cynical)
Marchete: it's a pity we could lose that
MSmits: that's true Marchete competition has that effect
Marchete: I think more on multis
MSmits: so do i
Marchete: ahh ok
21stCenturyPeon: But how will I pass the time while I'm waiting for builds?
MSmits: I hear great things about solitaire
Wontonimo: the multis have sure improved my optimization skills like nothing else
21stCenturyPeon: My regex is so much better thanks to CoC.
jacek: is it feature?
MSmits: I think mostly for me it trained computational thinking. I can figure out a solution to a coding problem much quicker than before I found this platform
ProCoder03: yeah same to me !!
[CG]Thibaud: btw, the change in contest format is not related (to my knowledge) to CoderPad
MSmits: I didn't assume it was.
reCurse: Let's be real though, the concern about numbers make sense in the light of this
MSmits: which numbers are you talking about reCurse?
reCurse: Part of the reasoning given for not having CCs or more contests
jacek: 4 8 15 16 23 42
MSmits: oh ok
reCurse: I mean if you go about stating a 2M+ developer community
reCurse: Gotta be real
MSmits: well... regardless of the numbers, if a sum offered is large enough companies do sell
reCurse: Of course
MSmits: so in that sense it may just have been a great offer
reCurse: Sure
reCurse: That's completely orthogonal
Wontonimo: there is a lot of value to all the multis, puzzles, and optis so i don't see them going away quickly
reCurse: Value is in the eye of the beholder
reCurse: I can see them eventually questioning the funding put into even maintaining this
reCurse: Not to mention maintaining two separate platforms more or less doing the same thing (to them) is questionable
reCurse: It's like the basic textbook of mergers
struct: 4 platforms in total I think
struct: tech io, cg, cg escape, cg for work
reCurse: I was thinking coderpad's versus CG's as a whole wrt interviews
struct: ah I see
[CG]Thibaud: it's quite complementary so far
reCurse: Eliminating redundant costs is the first step though
[CG]Thibaud: they do live interviews mainly, we do take-homes assessments + retain offers
Wontonimo: that's great to hear [CG]Thibaud
reCurse: I have the feeling they'll question the value of multis sooner or later
reCurse: We'll see
MSmits: even if they question it, that still makes it a question
reCurse: The act of questioning implies a direction
MSmits: I would imagine all parts of an acquired company get placed under a microscope
MSmits: so it's one big question
MSmits: point is, we have no idea
reCurse: CG was already seeing less value in it, I don't see how a pure technical interview company suddenly will lol
reCurse: They can have a sustainable community just off puzzles and clashes
Astrobytes: I don't share [CG]Thibaud's optimism unfortunately, having gone through acquisitions previously, but we'll have to wait and see.
MSmits: you'd need the full picture to judge that properly I think
reCurse: Sure, that would certainly eliminate 99% of conversations
eulerscheZahl: we still have this possible copyright topic that coderpad inherited now. looking at you BotG
MSmits: topic?
reCurse: No offense meant but it's Thibaud's job to be optimistic ;)
Astrobytes: Fair :)
MSmits: mmh I am optimistic too...
struct: time to rename the board games
MSmits: :moneybag: ?
MSmits: don't all these names fall under parody protection?
Astrobytes: Yavalaugh, Orwello, Chase, Connect Users...
reCurse: IANAL
eulerscheZahl: iAnal? the new apply heath device?
eulerscheZahl: apple*
Astrobytes: "I am not a lawyer" :rofl:
eulerscheZahl: *health
eulerscheZahl: my spelling
miszu: it will have a smelly smell
jacek: UANAL too?
[CG]Thibaud: I'll take care of these, i've started with Skynet ep1 but community content is less of an issue for now
eulerscheZahl: aah, the messages from reCurse and Astrobytes are related. I only understood now that I looked up the acronym
Astrobytes: hahaha
[CG]Thibaud: if I was scared about the merge, I think I'd left the company tbh
Wontonimo: well, speculating is starting to make me tired. so, i'm going to log off for today. See you all tomorrow ! :wave:
MSmits: bye Wontonimo
Astrobytes: see ya later Wontonimo
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/training/medium/skynet-revolution-episode-1
oh, the name has changed
eulerscheZahl: artwork still says skynet revolution
Astrobytes: Death First Search :D
MSmits: it's a good name
eulerscheZahl: my proposal was accepted
reCurse: But the goal is to survive first :thinking:
eulerscheZahl: i just don't remember for which game I made it
gavi: ha ha
gavi: (ops, it was about a previous joke)
Marchete: Lol we are now like these aliexpress knock off
darkhorse64: I see an acronym for BFS but it's nsfw
reCurse: Not if it's about a chicken factory
jacek: breast...?
Marchete: metalman, waterman, greenman
darkhorse64: yes, it's about chicks
[CG]Thibaud: oh I forgot about the logo
eulerscheZahl: that nice bit of Tonton memory :(
Marchete: doctor unusual
Astrobytes: Robert Cop
MSmits: Deverly hills cop
Astrobytes: https://imgur.com/a/YOjEJEl
MSmits: nice :)
reCurse: Good grief put it out of its misery
Astrobytes: But it's the furniture of law enforcement!
MSmits: haha i did not even see that
MSmits: is that real?
Astrobytes: I wouldn't be surprised, I've seen some highly suspect fake goods at markets in my time
MSmits: in the 60s?
TheBlueBias: :rofl:
Astrobytes: Cheeky ****! You're older than me!
Astrobytes: :rofl:
MSmits: true :grin:
jacek: oO
P0sitive: :grin:
veganmeatball: I'm trying to write clash of code problems in c but I always get beat up by pyhton users Is there some kind of tactic for code size in c?
miszu: if it is for code size python has advantage because it doesn't require main method
jacek: MSmits rotating board should be equivalent as changing players in chess-like games no?
struct: a1 becomes h8
Manjius: hello any c# dev wanna clash with me? i wanna learn it
jacek: at least in oware it worked. but as you know i have double inputs for player to move in NN
jacek: yet doubling is still slightly better than rotating
jacek: https://i.imgur.com/ASdBXLV.png blue is doubling, brown is rotating. brown has 2x less weights so it would fit on CG. blue wouldn't :(
struct: this is due to what?
struct: the rotation makes it slower?
jacek: negligible. im trying to figure it out
jacek: is it really equivalent, or maybe not really. is there is some bug in my code
struct: can your rotation be wrong?
jacek: :shrug:
RoboStac: what do you mean by chess like? (chess doesn't rotatable exactly as queen / kings are opposites)
jacek: onitama
jacek: welp in there i also exchange cards
RoboStac: ah, haven't looked at that to know enough about what would work
jacek: i have some wild idea
jacek: robo do you rotate in bt? or distinquish a player to move in some way
struct: I do rotate but it was slower, on NN might not have that much impact on performance
RoboStac: rotate
jacek: i used half of the weights from the blue into rotated game. it works!
Astrobytes: :tada:
jacek: so i have some weapon to deploy in case someone overtakes me in onitama :imp:
struct: damn my bot was ready
struct: it had 60%+ win rate vs yours
jacek: on those solved openings?
struct: are there any solved openings on the cg version?
jacek: there will be all if i have something to say
jacek: oh my and it seems to be working in bt as well :tada:
struct: submit
jacek: it will be the same
struct: ah is just so you can have more weights?
jacek: but i can train new one with 2x weights, probably will be better despite a little slower
jacek: eeyup
KefMambo: jacek
jacek: :thinking:
jacek: but i think im gonna use doubling in training. maybe there is some unneccessary weight sharing during training
struct: what does doubling in training mean?
jacek: i mean the weights
jacek: training will be all the same. just for CG i will use the useful half
KefMambo: do you know young leosia?
jacek: the who?
JacobTheCoder: hi
fischen: hello
niluthebear: :wave:
titanshange: how tf do i code
notanonymous77: hrrrm
jacek: hmph
MSmits: not sure how you code tensorflow. it seems like a lot of work
jacek: delete system32
MSmits: wrong window jacek, use cmd first
miszu: when I was like 8, I did delete system32 so I could install a racing game. The HDD only had 1.2 GB and the game took like 600 MB. I saw system32 was taking a lot of space and proceeded to delete it.
MSmits: like a prodigy
MSmits: parents probably liked that :P
miszu: as a young age I learned how OS worked pretty fast
MSmits: I just played games
miszu: when I was like 13 I installed arch linux on my laptop
KalamariKing: MSmits tensorflow isn't too bad, just takes a little getting used to. they have TONS of tutorials and such that I used to help learn what I was doing
MSmits: KalamariKing I was responding to titanshange. Scroll up :)
MSmits: but thanks anyway!
KalamariKing: haha didnt see that
jacek: youre quite furrious
MSmits: and fast
KalamariKing: jacek pfp checks out
jacek: pvp?
jacek: kids these days and their abbreviations
KalamariKing: smh my head
KalamariKing: pfp? profile picture?
jacek: oO
Bestar: hi
Astrobytes: Surely 'pfp' in that sense should be 'pp'. Or just use 'avatar'.
jacek: pp?
Astrobytes: back in your box
jacek: i think outside of the box
Astrobytes: you can still do that but remain inside it
pihack: hello my frnd
pihack: i have some question
jacek: well?
niluthebear: in Coders Strike Back the first introduction part in Constraints section 0 ≤ thrust ≤ 100 part, 1 is not blue :p
jacek: huh? it is blue
jacek: at least in legends the 200
niluthebear: :o it's blue in other leagues
pihack: the beast language for bigins?
pihack: and can i write backend with js
jacek: everything can written with js. but is it worth it?
Astrobytes: and is it beastly enough?
struct: c++ is the best for beginners
struct: or c
Astrobytes: :+1: from me
Astrobytes: unless you want to do web dev
Astrobytes: in which case you should 100% learn CFML /s
Uljahn: today even Fortran has web frameworks
struct: holy
struct: it still gets updates
Astrobytes: fortran? Ofc
struct: I need to stop valuing pieces on loa
jacek: i think its better to have less piece in loa
struct: yeah
jacek: bigger chance to form single chain
struct: but im ending games with 12 pieces
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/585859827
Nixerrr: Good evening
struct: hi
Astrobytes: wow, a wild Nixerrr!
Astrobytes: how are you?
gavi: one question: what are your opinions about:
Screeps: World
Nixerrr: I'm here to re-learn coding
Nixerrr: Will follow struct's advice and start with c
Astrobytes: re-learn lol, too much time in the gym?
Nixerrr: Not the gym sadly. I've been redoing our home...
Astrobytes: Ah, even more work
Nixerrr: I thought I liked DIY
Astrobytes: that's always the case until you do a large project
Nixerrr: Anyhow, no sleep until legend!
Astrobytes: hahaha yesss :D
Nixerrr: :point_up:
jacek: legend? where?
Nixerrr: Not sure yet
3141948: > but im ending games with 12 pieces
Well done I should improve mine
struct: I also feel like theres a lot of stuff to improve on mine
ipsissimus: should i go down AI path or Algo path LO
ipsissimus: :O
Astrobytes: damn timeouts
Scarfield: https://www.codingame.com/blog/coderpad-codingame-join/
Astrobytes: oh you missed the conversations earlier Scarfield, check the chat logs tomorrow
jacek: slowpokefield
Scarfield: justCameHomeField
struct: tldr coderpad bought cg
Scarfield: where is the chat logs though?
Astrobytes: https://cg.spdns.eu/index.php?title=Special:PrefixIndex&from=World%2F2021-02-17&prefix=World&namespace=3000
struct: also they bought AdaptiLab on June 28, 2021
struct: and it no longer exists, at least the site
Scarfield: ty
Scarfield: it doesnt say they bought CG?
Astrobytes: Scarfield:
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20211013005040/en/CoderPad-Acquires-CodinGame-to-Improve-Technical-Recruiting-and-Speed-Hiring-Decisions
Scarfield: ah, i hope CG will remain
Astrobytes: as do we all
Illedan: :pray:
matez: Due to this acquisition, the language level counting changed?
(Unknown level) :)
Astrobytes: matez: I believe that's a bug that will be
fixed soon
jacek: :scream:
matez: you can instead solve a max 45 mins 4 puzzle certificate exam. which makes sense, unless the puzzles are quite easy.
Westicles: not a bug... a proper communication will be done later
matez: I just was training to solve some puzzles to improve my language skill meter then it is no more necessary :)
Scarfield: my language level is simply too high to express other than "unknown"
Westicles: you click on it to discover your level
Astrobytes: Westicles: In that case the proper communication has been... communicated
Scarfield: anyway gn folks
niluthebear: gn
Astrobytes: gn Krisfield
PatrickMcGinnisII: uh oh
imadk: what that constraints really are?
Astrobytes: PatrickMcGinnisII: the toilet is over there --> RUN!
Westicles: cheer up, CG is now a US company.
Astrobytes: :rofl:
PatrickMcGinnisII: I just spent 3 days bush hogging 1/2 an acre, my blisters have blisters
Astrobytes: The mower does the work surely
PatrickMcGinnisII: my tractor is broken, so i had to buy a bush hogger, does not push itself
jacek: thats no the amish way!
TheBlueBias: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOfZLb33uCg
PatrickMcGinnisII: 6' of growth is now 4"
PatrickMcGinnisII: Where's the AI lawnmower? sh*t
PatrickMcGinnisII: CG Why did you become a dev? Me: To cut my lawn CG: :joy::cry:
TimothyAlexisVass: What?
Astrobytes: ah lol, real bush hogging
PatrickMcGinnisII: Reminds me of Lines Of Action
jacek: hm?
PatrickMcGinnisII: echo("random\n");
The_ehh_coder: this is cool
Astrobytes: :icecream: < that is cooler
The_ehh_coder: yup
The_ehh_coder: it is
Astrobytes: welcome, regardless :)
TechnoBot: https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/XuA-N0t-Nhs-H8X
TechnoBot: pls
TechnoBot: ply
TechnoBot: play*
Astrobytes: No.
TechnoBot: pls
Astrobytes: Try the discord or invite your friends, not like you have to code anyway
TechnoBot: brb
TechnoBot: my friend don't code
TechnoBot: S
Astrobytes: it can be solved with minimal or no coding
Astrobytes: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Astrobytes: bedtime
Astrobytes: gn if there's anyone reading lol
KalamariKing: "No."
**TechnoBot slaps Astrobytes around a bit with a large fishbot
Wontonimo: hello coders
Wontonimo: gn Astrobytes
KalamariKing: hello coder
Wontonimo: whatcha working on Kalamari?
KalamariKing: rn? thinking about the skills test, but testing on a language I haven't used in a hot sec
Wontonimo: have you done the skill test in any language yet?
KalamariKing: python, 100% in 13 minutes
KalamariKing: you?
Wontonimo: nope. haven't done any of them yet
Wontonimo: i've actually avoided all certifications and such things in my career
Wontonimo: are you doing it for fun or for employment?
Wontonimo: are you intersted in any of the bot battles?
KalamariKing: mostly doing the tests for fun, still not old enough for most internships and the like
KalamariKing: the bot battles are fun but I haven't had any practice writing my own referees and don't have the computing power for training anything decent
TechnoBot: @Wontonimo
TechnoBot: you should be a Moderator
TechnoBot: for being a code master
TechnoBot: *wink*
KalamariKing: facts, always online and helping people
Thorcode: nice
Thorcode: I got python <1%
**Thorcode slaps Thorcode around a bit with a large fishbot
Thorcode: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
KalamariKing: same
KalamariKing: idk if its exactly *accurate*
KalamariKing: i highly doubt im anywhere above maybe 70%, let alone 99%
Thorcode: :(
Thorcode: I was stupid to ignore my error
KalamariKing: ...
KalamariKing: yes
**Thorcode slaps Thorcode around a bit with a large fishbot
Thorcode: wait a sec the last thing i do it clash but it appear ghost in the cell and that ranked up
Thorcode: like someone used my account
5922: I believe that ladder changes happen every so often
5922: If you are near the top you might be promoted after a little while
Wontonimo: thank thanks
Wontonimo: if you are close to the top of a league and someone submits
Wontonimo: and their bot is close to yours but a bit worse, then you will gain points
Wontonimo: and that can push you over the boss !
Wontonimo: you don't actually have to beat the boss
Wontonimo: just the score
Wontonimo: Thorcode I haven't even attempted Ghost in the Cell
Wontonimo: congrats on getting to Bronze
Wontonimo: oh, this is very much like a space galactic war game from the early 80s
Thorcode: thanks Wontonimo
Thorcode: this game is harder
Wontonimo: than what?
Thorcode: space galactic
Wontonimo: probably
Wontonimo: let's see, the wood3 boss seems to only send 2 or 3 troops at a time
Thorcode: look at bronze Won
Wontonimo: aarrg ... keeping track of the troops enroute is not something i'm looking forward to
struct: which game?
struct: a gitc
Wontonimo: yeah
Wontonimo: gitc
Thorcode: the troops look crazy
struct: i have no idea how to play it
struct: I would probably focus on spreading troops on my side of the board and the middle planet
struct: easier said than done ofc
Wontonimo: i'm just pondering the datastructure i'd use
struct: just a normal graph should work no?
Wontonimo: would it be fast though?
Wontonimo: i'm thinking a NxN for the factory2factory distance
struct: When I see py3 at the top I dont care too much about speed
Wontonimo: oh, i didn't look at the leaderboard. good point
Wontonimo: haha
Wontonimo: num1 and 4 is python. good point
struct: even php on 8th
struct: maybe I can try this game since im very weak on graphs and probably need to get bette ron them
struct: better on*
struct: the problem will be the heuristics I think
struct: for the ai
struct: also the bombs is something I kinda dislike
Wontonimo: generally it looks like all troops are sent every round with nothing really held back. bombs used very early
struct: yeah if the factory is not gonna get attacked you can send the troops that are in that factory I think
struct: should be safe
struct: unless theres an enemy factory closer to you
Wontonimo: here is what i'm observing https://www.codingame.com/replay/568106920
Wontonimo: wow, the top are some really old submits from 2017 and 2019
miszu: I wasn't able to get out of silver with that game
miszu: but I should give it a try later
miszu: I got tired with those competition so I do simple puzzle :)
struct: Im bad at puzzles
struct: like really bad
miszu: how is that possible?
miszu: puzzles are easier than competitions
struct: not for me
miszu: do you have a degree in CS?
miszu: just curious
struct: no
KalamariKing: idk, the comps are easier in a way
miszu: ok I understand. Lots of knowledge you can use to solve the problems
miszu: hard to connect the dots
struct: its more like I can solve cg puzzles
struct: but I cant solve cf puzzles
Wontonimo: my greatest issue with the puzzles is expectations. if I set my expectation to be 6 hours for easy and x2 for each step up then I don't get upset with myself for not solving it fast enough
struct: Specially math ones
miszu: Today I did 5 medium ones
miszu: I am doing the ones that have achievements
struct: nice
Wontonimo: but i keep thinking i should be able to do any puzzle in half an hour and then i get mad at my progress
miszu: don't put time pressure
KalamariKing: same lmao
miszu: think of the problem and then solve it
Wontonimo: self set expectations are my greatest issue
miszu: sometimes come back later
miszu: some problems are not obvious if you don't see how to solve it
struct: at least here most have a viewer
struct: it helps
KalamariKing: definitely
struct: one day ill get a color on cf :p
miszu: my issue is that I see a solution but too lazy to type it
miszu: like man... need to type like 200 lines of code
miszu: can I make it shorter somehow?
struct: My problem sometimes is not knowing the solution
struct: unless is math related
miszu: I did that to one of the medium ones
struct: my problem is understanding the statement
miszu: some of them are not obvious/ambiguious
miszu: like the cable network
miszu: I thought that each house needs a unique path of cable
miszu: not knowing they can go on top of each toher
miszu: anyhow, brb in 1h
Thorcode: I will solve two hard puzzle to day :)
struct: damn solved that one 4-5 years ago :p
Wontonimo: well, very hard puzzles are just whatever time it takes. i've been thinking over some of there for a while now
Wontonimo: no, that's a lie. i've given up on some of them for a while now
Thorcode: nice
struct: cg official i only solved 2 hard ones
struct: roller coaster, I brute forced it
struct: and the surface i copy pasted my floodfill from stc
struct: the bruteforce works on js but doesnt work on c++
Thorcode: stc?
struct: smash the code
struct: is a multiplayer
KalamariKing: some of these practices are more like clashes... and others are stupid hard (to me and my limited experience ;-;)
Thorcode: what is your rank in that
struct: Like top 100 I think
Thorcode: oh legend league
struct: I never finished my bot :(
Thorcode: I in wood 1
Thorcode: I will watch you
struct: Maybe one day ill go back to it
struct: the code is a mess
struct: oh now I remember why I never started gitc
KalamariKing: lmao
Thorcode: the puzzle is not really at all
Thorcode: easy
struct: which one?
Thorcode: roller coaster
struct: yeah
struct: I still remember it I think
Thorcode: why the last is 100
Thorcode: I was think that plus all the pi is the solution
struct: dont think its math related
Verdi: hows it going everyone
KalamariKing: not bad not bad hbu
Verdi: nice, im not doing so bad myself
Wontonimo: do you mostly play clashes Verdi ?
Thorcode: ? what do you mean struct?
Thorcode: this is not math?
struct: plus all the pi?
Thorcode: yep
struct: ah Pi is a variable name
Verdi: is that a whisper? also no im doing some of the easy practices as we speak
struct: no he just typed your name here and it shows as red
Wontonimo: when it is red it is because your name was used
Wontonimo: without your name
Wontonimo: with Verdi
Thorcode: pi it's input
Verdi: noted Wontonimo
Wontonimo: :D
**Thorcode slaps Thorcode around a bit with a large fishbot
struct: but people can go on a ride again
Wontonimo: you may find Tron https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/tron-battle fun, if you like that sort of thing. it's pretty easy to get into, turn left if you are about to hit something
Thorcode: I can move out of the grid right? (in Tron)
struct: no
Thorcode: :(
Wontonimo: maybe if you smash into the side in the same place several times
Wontonimo: weaken down the wall
Thorcode: really
Wontonimo: lol :D no
Thorcode: I got die
Thorcode: you joke me
Wontonimo: that would be a really cool easter egg in the game
Thorcode: the third line is my oppent x y right
Wontonimo: i don't know the instructions for the beginning league but you can scroll down and look at the game input statement
Wontonimo: it is on the left
KalamariKing: is it weird speaking one language and programming in another? for those who this applies
Wontonimo: for legend you get N lines, one for each player.
struct: dont think so
struct: I code in english
Wontonimo: each line has
X0 Y0 X1 Y1
struct: even my comments are in english
Wontonimo: what are you talking about struct?
struct: answering kalamari question
KalamariKing: going through puzzle "best solutions" its kinda weird being able to read the code but not the comments
Thorcode: 4 line
Wontonimo: oh, never mind ... i read
Wontonimo: hey, it is the same as legend
Thorcode: 4 line is max
Wontonimo: i logged into my alt account and checked
Wontonimo: read the game input section of the instructions
Wontonimo: it is on the left, scroll down
struct: the for loop gives the x and y for all active bots
Wontonimo: "Line 1: Two integers N and P. Where N is the total number of players and P is your player number for this game."
Thorcode: I read it
Wontonimo: "The N following lines: One line per player. First line is for player 0, next line for player 1, etc. ..."
Wontonimo: you are not necessarily always player 0 or 1. you need to read P
Thorcode: i need more pathfinding
Thorcode: logic
Wontonimo: what league are you in?
Thorcode: to avoid my oppenet
Thorcode: wood 2
Thorcode: I don't know how to avoid them
Wontonimo: nope, just turn left if there is something infront of you
Thorcode: that stupid
Wontonimo: otherwise go straight
Wontonimo: not for wood 2
Thorcode: if my left is wall
miszu: which game is that?
Thorcode: then ...................
miszu: ghost?
Wontonimo: Tron
KalamariKing: turn left again
KalamariKing: ez
Wontonimo: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/tron-battle
Thorcode: yeah
Thorcode: why I'm so stupid
miszu: is tron a new game?
Wontonimo: nope, old
Thorcode: no
miszu: it's like a snake game right?
Thorcode: yep
Programer171: hi
Thorcode: like worm.io
Programer171: hi
miszu: ok yeah
KalamariKing: yeah kinda
Programer171: can anyone see my messages?
KalamariKing: yeah
KalamariKing: hello
Programer171: hello
Wontonimo: hi Programer171
Programer171: is this a discord?
Thorcode: yep
Thorcode: no
Wontonimo: no, it is a webchat
Thorcode: but this is harder than worm.io that I can't move in my own body :(
Programer171: if so how is this possible?
Programer171: oh
Programer171: ok
Programer171: i thought this was a discord
struct: there should be a link above to join discord
Programer171: wouldu join my clash?
Programer171: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/201449159181adecb6dd7282a56114ad263158a
miszu: another puzzle solved :)
Wontonimo: woot. which one?
Programer171: does anyone wants to join my clash?
Programer171: pls?
Programer171: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/2014513799c1ee27240487718bfd4f6d181704d
Wontonimo: post clashes here #clash
Wontonimo: not in this channel
Programer171: j
Programer171: j
Programer171: j
Programer171: j
Wontonimo: no spamming
Programer171: aww
Programer171: ok
codeing: hello guys
Wontonimo: hello
codeing: sup ?
Programer171: hello
Wontonimo: codin
codeing: yes
Wontonimo: was looking at tron
Wontonimo: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/tron-battle
codeing: cool
codeing: what do you yhink about the puzzle of this week ?
codeing: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/sum-of-spirals-diagonals
Wontonimo: i did it a month ago before it was the puzzle of the week. it was fun
codeing: can you make feedback on my code ?
Wontonimo: i'd rather not
Wontonimo: tell me at a high level what you are doing
Wontonimo: either pseudo code or just plain word descripton
codeing: building the spiral matrix & sum diagonal
Wontonimo: it won't fit in memory
Wontonimo: the matrix can be up to 2^32 in width
Wontonimo: which is 2^64 items in the matrix
Wontonimo: that's approximately 10^18
Wontonimo: personally, i think this puzzle should have been ranked as "medium". I think "easy" puzzles should be able to be solved via brute force by doing what you suggest
prawin: hello world
Wontonimo: you need to come up with something a little more elegant and performant
Wontonimo: look at the second sequence
1 + 4 + 7 + 10 + 13 + 14 + 15 + 16 = 80
Wontonimo: do you see a pattern?
SAL9000: @Wontonimo For this case probably memory may not be a prob (Note N < 1500) but yeah still not elegant/efficient
Wontonimo: oh, right, N is < 1500. I thought N < 2^32
Wontonimo: you are correct SAL9000
Wontonimo: okay, you may be able to brute force it codeing !!
Wontonimo: btw SAL9000 , you don't need to put the "@" in front of peoples name
Wontonimo: :wave: new names I've never seen before
Wontonimo: hey prawin and SAL9000
SAL9000: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a489f44e-ad34-4a9a-8a0a-a1dd2d6c8ae2
SAL9000: Uh long chats go to pastebin? :grimacing:
Wontonimo: hehe
Wontonimo: i used to have that happen to me a lot
Wontonimo: well SAL9000 , you came the day that CodinGame got sold to some other recruiting company
SAL9000: And besides I'm bit shy person and doesn't pop up much on conversations. Just happened to be in pazzle of the week so I could get a certification and noticed your conversation
SAL9000: Oh is it?
Wontonimo: i think we are all shy, that's why we program
SAL9000: :joy:
Wontonimo: do you do any bot battles SAL?
SAL9000: You mean AI bot programming? (Solo/Multiplayer contest) or Code of Clash?
SAL9000: (Or clash of code whatever)
Wontonimo: the multi player stuff
SAL9000: I used to
Wontonimo: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming
SAL9000: But didn't had chance to do in for a year or so now
Wontonimo: oh wow, yeah you were on this site a long time ago
Wontonimo: there are lots of new bot programming multis now
Wontonimo: and the competition has become pretty impressive at the top
SAL9000: yeah
howdoyoulive: will, first for all, the if-else order is important
