jacek: multiplayer game for potw!
3141948: 😜
AZZAM52910: HI
AZZAM52910: im new
watubub: welcome!
AZZAM52910: i dont know what should i do....
Uljahn: do nothing - get nothing
AZZAM52910: what
Uljahn: why are you here?
AZZAM52910: for study idiot
Uljahn: hey, watch your language
Uljahn: How to get started on CG: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/getting-started-on-codingame
AZZAM52910: ok im click it
AZZAM52910: should i must find a job?
raizbro: no
BlaiseEbuth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH-i8IvYIcg
Benji-the-scripter: Hello? Third day and im still here
BlaiseEbuth: Hold on. Almost 2600 days here.
Benji-the-scripter: Cool
Benji-the-scripter: Im just new as you probably know, what to do?
Benji-the-scripter: I mean like you know what to do?
BlaiseEbuth: Depends of your knowledge and your goals...
Benji-the-scripter: im new to coding so i dont know much, please dont hate me as other persons do
BlaiseEbuth: I don't hate you.
**BlaiseEbuth patpat Benji-the-scripter.
Benji-the-scripter: ok got to go now
derjack: :upside_down:
raizbro: what
raizbro: tell me the code
BlaiseEbuth: the code
raizbro: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/481b241d-7161-44d3-9af7-e75e52a98523
derjack: do you have any basic programming knowledge
raizbro: no
raizbro: come on
raizbro: who fllw
raizbro: me he get the code
Thorcode: ok
Thorcode: what do you want?
raizbro: dude
raizbro: the code
Thorcode: the goal
raizbro: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1a974390-a3cd-4a35-9d52-41ca6ecfa210
Thorcode: what is it
Thorcode: bruh
raizbro: in the chat pls
BlaiseEbuth: :popcorn:
Thorcode: gosh just tell me again
raizbro: hi
raizbro: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/c871dd18-2838-453e-ba05-dde55c2e45a3
Uljahn: giving away a solution isn't encouraged here
raizbro: just clik
Uljahn: stop spamming
Thorcode: what the different
raizbro: in the yello
raizbro: tyiping
raizbro: what is spamming
Uljahn: posting something nobody asked for
Uljahn: multiple times
howdoyoulive: lol, why results are different every time I submit, I didn't change even 1 blank space.
howdoyoulive: but the result from 81 to 90 and to 100.
Uljahn: could be a performance issue
Uljahn: when your code is on the verge of a timeout
raizbro: What is spam
howdoyoulive: Hmm, timeout...but isn't the longest input data in horse racing duals puzzle will be the last few case?
derjack: royale likes teasing opponents https://www.codingame.com/replay/582904726
howdoyoulive: nvm, I will just forget about it XD
Thorcode: can I block someone to chat private to me?
julian1lupin: cant get past this? if dist_1 < dist_2:
print("Rock")
else:
print("HotDroid")
julian1lupin: could someone please tell me how to play this game using python3
Thorcode: what puzzle
darkhorse64: Thorcode: no. Just ignore morons
Thorcode: ok thanks darkhorse64
BlaiseEbuth: This is retarded hour on #Fr, and what a surprise! There's no mods! :o
derjack: happy hours?
BlaiseEbuth: Happy... For them probably.
darkhorse64: Wow, another clan of morons in #fr
derjack: like the B and the D
raizbro: Darkhorse: you guys noob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
raizbro: Darkhorse:I am pro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hahhahahahahaha:imp:
darkhorse64: time to :hammer:
raizbro: derjak :look he pro
Thorcode: raizbro is annoying bruh
raizbro: l
raizbro: am sorry about that
Thorcode: ok
raizbro: why
raizbro: why
raizbro: why
darkhorse64: Uljahn ?
raizbro: so
Thorcode: yeah
Thorcode: UliJahn
Thorcode: best
raizbro: lett me tell the story
raizbro: first I am a noob
raizbro: because I am noob I am dont have a friend
raizbro: bye
Thorcode: ok
raizbro: so
Thorcode: if you don't spam you will have a friend
raizbro: want to be bes5t friend
raizbro: want to be best frien
raizbro: ok
raizbro: :grinning:
raizbro: ok
raizbro: ok
raizbro: UliJahn
Benji-the-scripter: Hello
Benji-the-scripter: Im back from a 50 min break
raizbro: what
Benji-the-scripter: i have been gone for 50 mins
Benji-the-scripter: now im back
Uljahn: sry was afk
Benji-the-scripter: hello Uljahn!
Benji-the-scripter: Sorry for yesterday
Uljahn: np
Benji-the-scripter: thx
Thorcode: nice Benji
Benji-the-scripter: So i havent found a solution for the second AI quest yet, but what is the thing with angels. Im doing this for fun but not when it takes 30 min for a singel script
Thorcode: so
Benji-the-scripter: ?
Thorcode: what are you coding
Thorcode: in the bot programing
Uljahn: guess it's csb
Benji-the-scripter: yes
Benji-the-scripter: prob not for me
Benji-the-scripter: right
Uljahn: just skip it for now
Benji-the-scripter: ok
Thorcode: yeah
derjack: its tutorial game
Benji-the-scripter: then what to do
Thorcode: And try diffrent bot
derjack: easy puzzles maybe
Benji-the-scripter: ok
Uljahn: ye, always choose feasible tasks
Thorcode: and reach bronze
Benji-the-scripter: ok
Benji-the-scripter: algorithms?
Thorcode: ok
Benji-the-scripter: thx
Uljahn: try ghost in the cell maybe
Benji-the-scripter: already did
Benji-the-scripter: not much tho
Thorcode: ghost in the cell is terrible
Benji-the-scripter: ok
Uljahn: have you read the official tutorial?
Benji-the-scripter: ???
Uljahn: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/ghost-in-the-cell---guide
Benji-the-scripter: ok
Uljahn: also there is CSB guide
Benji-the-scripter: then i complet
Benji-the-scripter: little bit esasier
Thorcode: where can I find the guide
Uljahn: although not the guide just some tips
Benji-the-scripter: ok
Thorcode: well this is the first time I realize CG has guide
Benji-the-scripter: tried to find a guide yesterday took 1 houer 30 min and nothing i found
Uljahn: have you searched the forum?
Benji-the-scripter: not yet
AtomicTraveller_a4f6: hi
Benji-the-scripter: hi
AtomicTraveller_a4f6: sup
Tobey: :innocent:
Thorcode: guys, after I reach top 1000 what is the next quest
Thorcode: to become coding speed legend
Benji-the-scripter: Hi
Uljahn: Thorcode: win 3 clashes in a row i guess
wyenat: Yep, 3 in a row. If you want to cheese this, it's possible to launch a clash with only 1 other guy if you're the first person in the room, that makes it significantly easier
derjack: people cheat on clashes? oO
raizbro: no
estipx: wassyo
estipx: ah!
estipx: what are you doing step-coder?
Benji-the-scripter: Hello
Benji-the-scripter: And bye
estipx: bye
estipx: :revolving_hearts:
estipx: :anger: b hole
Manjius: :weary:
ukreH: monke
berserk76: #
**BrainNotFoundException slaps everyone around a bit with a large fishbot
Rhon21: hello im a beginner
Rhon21: first day po
Rhon21: coders strike back
Uljahn: wow nice
derjack: newcomers day?
Neralem: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/f1726c09-88c2-4b49-ba3d-15f5b35fa577
MatasMarciulionis: yo
RokasPaskevicius: bloodybanana69
derjack: Neralem what if there is only 1 temperature?
Neralem: Yeah, found the error :) Thanks
struct: Hi
derjack: good afternoon
eulerscheZahl: ohai
eulerscheZahl: oh, only 2h left for https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/72912a56c4a75ed56fde3c4745857337d18d
Astrobytes: greetings
derjack: should i approve it without bot?
Wontonimo: no, make a bot and test
BlaiseEbuth: So 2017...
eulerscheZahl: looks cool but i haven't taken the time to test it yet. looks like it has to take an extra turn
derjack: eeyup. also no leagues
BlaiseEbuth: Contributor gonna gain xp, everything is alright.
eulerscheZahl: was much easier to get those games through at the beginning when there were less community games
eulerscheZahl: not everyone wants to pull a JB M
BlaiseEbuth: You're sayin' that...
eulerscheZahl: seriously, that troll thing game him more XP than creating a whole community contest. and probably also reaching legend during the contest
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah, he better create a community contest!
Wait...
eulerscheZahl: :(
eulerscheZahl: just saying effort-wise a community contest can easily take a month or two. with intensely working on it
struct: just like a board game that takes me 1 day
struct: and most of that time is spent on the statement
eulerscheZahl: now compare rule complexity and visual effect between your game and the community contests
struct: ofc
struct: I get its a lot more work
struct: just not rewarded
eulerscheZahl: true
AntiSquid: so his troll game is the ultimate troll !! considering xp gain :D
AntiSquid: where is it though ? was it approved ?
eulerscheZahl: it was never up for approval
eulerscheZahl: he probably forgot to put it up as WIP. but don't ping him
eulerscheZahl: he also deleted the bot comments when the 30 days have passed
wlesavo: damn thats a regretful timeout on submit
wlesavo: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/582984769
struct: unlucky
struct: Does it happen often?
wlesavo: first time i see, otk move failed from neighb cell to hq, usually it sarts more far away
Kryptic_shadow: just finished a clash for the first time and failed. i need coaching
struct: do puzzles instead
Uljahn: together with a coach :tada:
Schwase: try to not worry about the other players, also puzzles are definitely a good way to help you figure out and play around with better intuitive solutions for code problems that you will find will transfer well into clash
ja_fica: Someone here can help me out on vectorization?
ja_fica: why this does not get vectorized: for(int i = size-1; i>=jumpsr;i--) {
nchunks[i] = (chunks[i-jumpsl]<<bjslow) | (chunks[i-jumpsr]>>bjshigh);
}
ja_fica: actually that gets vectorized, but not this one
ja_fica: for(int i = 0; i<size-jumpsr;i++) {
nchunks[i] = (chunks[i+jumpsl]>>bjslow) | (chunks[i+jumpsr]<<bjshigh);
}
darkhorse64: :nerd:
ja_fica: it makes no sense, the backward version getting vectorized and not the sequential one
ja_fica: should I writte it backward to see if I get lucky?
ja_fica: Thats the problem, I can't because I would destroy the values
darkhorse64: If you have a data dependency, it may explain your issue
struct: darkhorse64 do you plan to change anything else on loa?
jacek: got the negamax working?
struct: yes
jacek: :tada:
struct: Also iterative deepening
struct: But I still dont use stuff from previous searches
darkhorse64: On the game itself, no. Astrobytes idea on draw by repetition is interesting but I am afraid draw detection would hamper bot performance. I still need to write a boss to complete the game
jacek: should i write the boss? :imp:
darkhorse64: You want to have your own league ?
jacek: jacek league, above the legend
darkhorse64: it would still be a wood league
Benji-the-scripter: hi
jacek: ohai
struct: I guess the draw by repetition would help
struct: Dont know how hard it is to detect
jacek: for referee side, easy
jacek: but do repetitions happen frequently on loa?
struct: kinda
struct: When its forced moves to defend
darkhorse64: detecting draw repetitions during playouts is doable, hash the board at each turn, search/store in a map. But it is going to cost cycles
Astrobytes: Is the movegen really that slow?
Astrobytes: (I haven't coded anything yet)
Astrobytes: wrt the draw repetition check being overly expensive
struct: I can call moveGen 500k times in 100ms
struct: in the initial position
Astrobytes: Hm. I mean the draw repetition thing would reduce game lengths in some cases but is not essential.
jacek: checkers dont have draw by repetition though i use it in my bot
Schwase: when you leave in an entire line of commented out code in shortest mode :(
jacek: oO
Schwase: 49 characters lmaooo
Schwase: i got 212
Schwase: so 50 with the new line character counting
Schwase: like 25% of my code was a commented line hahaa
Schwase: theres 2 minutes left so i doubt itll cost me but thats pretty funny
eulerscheZahl: is it?
Schwase: you mean new lines? yeah each new line is worth 1 char
Schwase: i know this because when i used to only know java i would have all my code on 1 line
eulerscheZahl: I was referring to "thats pretty funny"
jacek: java on shortest mode :scream:
jacek: grumpy euler
eulerscheZahl: :older_man:
Astrobytes: :fist: :cloud:
BlaiseEbuth: fist cloud ?
jrke: finally fall challenge date released
Astrobytes: old man shakes fist at cloud
BlaiseEbuth: Hura...
Astrobytes: fall challenge lol
jrke: wait is fall challenge coding escape contest?
Astrobytes: yes
jacek: yes..
Astrobytes: A few hours long. No CP.
jrke: :slight_frown:
BlaiseEbuth: Welcome in my reality
kovi: no cp, will i stay #1 forever?
darkhorse64: duration: 168 hours ?!
eulerscheZahl: let's see how it goes, maybe we'll see a bot contest again one day
eulerscheZahl: or they completely remove that leaderboard? who knows
jrke: why did they combined coding escape with codingame contests?
jrke: :frowning2:
struct: marketing
eulerscheZahl: at least we can keep our #external-contests on discord to look for alternatives
Schwase: damn ive been thoroughly owned :\
guess ill see you all for groundhog day. glhf
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah 168h is a perfect duration for people who don't had time to participate to bot challenge, as someone said... :smirk:
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/1tuh19i
eulerscheZahl: what's this?
BlaiseEbuth: Button?
eulerscheZahl: for what?
jrke: looks like register button
Astrobytes: The register button?
Astrobytes: You can see it says 'register'
eulerscheZahl: ok, then i won't click it
darkhorse64: I have the fr version which looks OK
eulerscheZahl: hm, i see the full button on fullscreen
jacek: fr version looks OK except for the words :v
jrke: no more bot contest then this year?
eulerscheZahl: not on CG at least
struct: ah its now official
eulerscheZahl: you missed yare
struct: time to delete
darkhorse64: true. I didn't even noticed
jrke: why??
they already stopped community contest now official contest is going to be for escape :head_bandage:
eulerscheZahl: oh, and they have the corporate eam-building link on the contest page even
Astrobytes: não struct, never again
eulerscheZahl: we saw it coming long ago jrke :(
eulerscheZahl: the only question: will this be a one-time thing or will it happen more often?
eulerscheZahl: imagine an escape room SDK
Astrobytes: One would imagine it depends on the success of this attempt
eulerscheZahl: escape community contests
Astrobytes: lol, no, just no
jacek: lets boycott
eulerscheZahl: let's see how it works out. i won't play
Astrobytes: I won't either.
eulerscheZahl: Thursday is blocked for me. but even if i were free, I wouldn't
Astrobytes: I just won't.
jrke: its a 7 day long contest!
jrke: too short for bot contest too long for escape
eulerscheZahl: i don't think that solving it will take that long. but didn't even read the description yet
eulerscheZahl: but 168h? what about not scaring off anyone?
jrke: we will fall this fall challenge
eulerscheZahl: who will join when you think that you have to invest that much time?
BlaiseEbuth: Boycott of 5% of the users will not change anything.
Astrobytes: Seems weird.
eulerscheZahl: i will just wait and see what happens :popcorn:
BlaiseEbuth: If that duration could make it fail...
Astrobytes: indeed euler
jrke: why did they gave it name as `codingame fall challenge 2021` then it should be `codingescape fall challenge 2021`
eulerscheZahl: the suggestions when you watch the video till the end :(
https://prnt.sc/1tui60u
eulerscheZahl: codingame still has a big name that can attract players
jrke: :cry:
BlaiseEbuth: Flies on a rotten corpse
eulerscheZahl: https://thedailywtf.com/articles/a-coded-escape
linking this mostly because of the title
Astrobytes: nice bug nonetheless
jrke: i am amazed that after finishing of contest will they show the report on finished contest page!
eulerscheZahl: the only thing that surprises me: no prizes? i would have expected a few to catch even more players
Astrobytes: NO PRIZES?
Astrobytes: lol
eulerscheZahl: i don't see any mentioned
BlaiseEbuth: Participating is a prize by itself. :smirk:
jrke: though they still mentioned multiplayer
Astrobytes: well yeah, it's a team event
jacek: there are t-shirts
eulerscheZahl: it's a typo
jacek: for top 5 teams
Astrobytes: = multiplayer
BlaiseEbuth: One t-shirt by team.
eulerscheZahl: jacek on wikipedia this would be a [citation needed]
jacek: get along t-shirt
jacek: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/coding-escape-events
jacek: not reading statements :unamused:
eulerscheZahl: wow, you are right
jrke: https://prnt.sc/1tuip8v
Astrobytes: Oh I didn't notice this: [Edit 2021/05/28] CodingHubs are not supported anymore.
BlaiseEbuth: No codinghubs -> no goodies -> more money
eulerscheZahl: that was known before jrke, Thibaud clarified it here on chat
jrke: hoping this page to revive!
https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/40701/help-center/list-of-community-contests
Astrobytes: It won't.
eulerscheZahl: best chance to get an update on this page: a contest creator has to change the nickname
Astrobytes: lol, grim
eulerscheZahl: i'll just promote this contest once more - also starts sooner than the CG one so you don't have to wait that long
https://codeforces.com/blog/entry/94906
struct: Just do loa ezpz
BlaiseEbuth: Is that a bot contest?
eulerscheZahl: optim
tyler_1d: i am best coder
BlaiseEbuth: Bot optim?
eulerscheZahl: single player optim
eulerscheZahl: then get #1 here on CodinGame tyler_1d
BlaiseEbuth: Single player bot optim? :persevere:
eulerscheZahl: yes :rollling_eyes:
eulerscheZahl: yes :rolling_eyes:
BlaiseEbuth: Great! I'll take a look
eulerscheZahl: to be fair the artwork for the contest looks really nice
jrke: that always get improve every contest
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/servlet/fileservlet?id=70929108930971
Astrobytes: Does nothing for me, personally speaking
Astrobytes: Might actually do the codeforces one just for something to do
BlaiseEbuth: As a wise man said: "You can put a poop in a golden gift wrap, but that's always shit".
Astrobytes: "You can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter"
BlaiseEbuth: Oh. There's such expression? Mine was a translation :p
eulerscheZahl: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/americandad/images/2/23/The_Golden_Turd_Rapture.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20091214171444
struct: cant see that image
jrke: refreshing it again worked for me
eulerscheZahl: is this better? https://americandad.fandom.com/wiki/The_Golden_Turd
struct: yes
VilgotanL: mogus
struct: darkhorse64 do you want to use my bot as the boss?
struct: Ill still need to imrpove it though
eulerscheZahl: do you want an unbeatable boss?
struct: no but I dont want a weak boss either
Wontonimo: make as strong a boss as you can. then to nerf it, you can just give it less time or cap its depth
eulerscheZahl: didn't work well for the kutulu contest boss
swaggycat: mous
Astrobytes: Was that Dora?
BlaiseEbuth: Remember remember tibo and johny not abble to reach bronze...
eulerscheZahl: one day i came home to see that they took my 1k lines bot and place it as the last wood boss, just waiting every 10th turn
eulerscheZahl: that boss later became the silver boss
eulerscheZahl: (also with reduced depth)
eulerscheZahl: i might have found a first hint for the escape contest already. the candles have Roman numerals written on them
PatrickMcGinnisII: eulerscheZahl did u win that jovi.io thing?
BlaiseEbuth: Plan change. Make a team -> Rush the contest -> Share solutions.
eulerscheZahl: got 2nd. already received the 0.3ETH
PatrickMcGinnisII: nice!!!
PatrickMcGinnisII: gratz!
Astrobytes: Speaking of poo, that guy with the axe looks like he's squeezing one out
eulerscheZahl: thanks :)
eulerscheZahl: Astrobytes :rofl:
eulerscheZahl: pooping candles?
Astrobytes: :D
BlaiseEbuth: 0.3ETH -> $
eulerscheZahl: it's the highest prize i've ever won
eulerscheZahl: and just days after the Huawei watch finally arrived. my sister might even take it
darkhorse64: struct: I'll think about it
jacek: 1 eth is 2800usd hm?
BlaiseEbuth: So 769.98€
struct: im already creating the opening book
eulerscheZahl: yes. it's huge for my contest success standards
BlaiseEbuth: Not even a day salary...
eulerscheZahl: could probably earn more if i invest the same time in a real job. but where's the fun?
Astrobytes: lol
BlaiseEbuth: Na na why don't you get a job?
jrke: which contest euler?
BlaiseEbuth: Pirate contest
Wontonimo: congrats eulerscheZahl
BlaiseEbuth: 5000$ for the codeforce thing! :money_mouth:
leojean890: still didn't get my RAIC t shirt xD
Astrobytes: same
leojean890: o/ Astrobytes
leojean890: idk why they take so long :P
struct: one day ill win a shirt from any of these contests
struct: First ill need to learn how to code
leojean890: RAIC you only need to reach round 2, not a big deal^^
Astrobytes: ^ this
jrke: RAIC? russian ai cup?
leojean890: yes^^
Astrobytes: yeah
struct: wait maybe I can win a shirt from escape
struct: Since i dont really need to know how to code
Astrobytes: lol, burn
BlaiseEbuth: If you participate you'll be killed by fire
BlaiseEbuth: Great minds
Astrobytes: :)
eulerscheZahl: > which contest euler?
https://yare.io/tournament
BlaiseEbuth: Yare yare.io deedee! Being a pirate is alright with me!
jrke: oh gratz
eulerscheZahl: for RAIC the hardest part is being patient when it comes to shipping. at least the tshirt can be done in 1-2 afternoons
eulerscheZahl: i wonder if CG has a different tshirt design for the escape. but probably not
struct: yes
BlaiseEbuth: Directly from the great steppes to your mailbox via vodka propulsed kozaks.
struct: preview
struct: https://i.imgur.com/CF7SEJW.png
leojean890: I didn't know they were that long for shipping xD
BlaiseEbuth: :rofl:
eulerscheZahl: they just tell you to fill out a form until a certain date. then you do it and wait for the parcel. 2 months later they send you another link with a new deadline for filling it out
leojean890: I got an email from all prizes AI cup 2 months ago and then nothing :P
eulerscheZahl: once i was waiting for 11 months until i received it
leojean890: I see^^
eulerscheZahl: but so far it always arrived
leojean890: I didn't understand the email, I filled the form on their website during the contest:)
leojean890: address etc
eulerscheZahl: on the other side i contacted topcoder twice about a tshirt that the owe me, no reaction so far
leojean890: oh ok, weird also
eulerscheZahl: you have to be careful with those Russian emails. if you miss it, you won't get your tshirt
leojean890: got them and should translate them yes:p
eulerscheZahl: and I always fail to pick a different size for hoodie and tshirt. then i get an M hoodie that's a bit small
BlaiseEbuth: SVR...
eulerscheZahl: i mean i correctly select L but then it overwrites itself when i order the tshirt
leojean890: weird :o
BlaiseEbuth: SVR know your size.
eulerscheZahl: what's SVR?
BlaiseEbuth: Modern KGB
Astrobytes: FSB no?
jrke: will fall challenge will be visible in https://clist.by/ ?
eulerscheZahl: who knows
eulerscheZahl: ask aropan. or wait a bit, he supposedly calls the contest APIs of all those websites regularly
eulerscheZahl: https://challenges.reply.com/tamtamy/user/login.action
that's worth noting btw
eulerscheZahl: team event but was fun last year
struct: no bot contests :(
Astrobytes: that was the one you did with zeno and ille?
eulerscheZahl: yes
eulerscheZahl: and squiddy
Astrobytes: ah yes
BlaiseEbuth: Oh. What's this list?
eulerscheZahl: clist?
BlaiseEbuth: Yes
eulerscheZahl: check the #external-contests topic
BlaiseEbuth: Meh... I don't go on discord anymore
Astrobytes: What's the point in having a discord channel for the escape room anyway? Can't they just use the #coding-escape channel? Not like anyone will be sharing info
eulerscheZahl: finding teams maybe
eulerscheZahl: your status "already escaped" :D
Astrobytes: ;)
MiyamuraIzumi: well CodingEscape :(
MiyamuraIzumi: it is now official
Astrobytes: It was official since Tibo confirmed it, I mean he is CG staff...
eulerscheZahl: it was unofficially official long ago
BlaiseEbuth: Sort of
eulerscheZahl: i just saw that clash of bots got approved so close to the end of the deadline
eulerscheZahl: interesting concept of each bot having limited vision and doesn't know the own location
wlesavo: reminds coding game sponsored contest
eulerscheZahl: a bit, yes
eulerscheZahl: random order of robots in the input. makes it really hard to put things together
eulerscheZahl: might even be 1 step too much
eulerscheZahl: and they did it in Kotlin
Astrobytes: could have been Clojure!
eulerscheZahl: who dares to pin martynas message on the discord contest channel? :imp:
BlaiseEbuth: Clojure is still not fixed. And will not be...
eulerscheZahl: could have been scala
eulerscheZahl: the original vindinium was in Scala
Astrobytes: ewww
jrke: :grimacing: who do you think can do that dare?
Astrobytes: lol euler :rofl:
BlaiseEbuth: Do it...
eulerscheZahl: "do it"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnGYxO_3H6I
jrke: :joy:
Astrobytes: wtf
Astrobytes: Darwin Award needed
MiyamuraIzumi: well still can't unregister for FC2021
jrke: unfortunately we can't!
eulerscheZahl: that's to protect yourself
eulerscheZahl: it's a feature
eulerscheZahl: oh, *un*register
my reading skills
Astrobytes: Doesn't matter. No CP, won't affect your contest ratings
Astrobytes: Just don't play
eulerscheZahl: it helps CG to blow up the numbers artificially and justify another round
MiyamuraIzumi: haha
MiyamuraIzumi: don't play
Astrobytes: lol :salt:
Wontonimo: maybe last minute change of rules, and +500 CP "participation" award... oh, the outcry if that happened
StevenV: haha
eulerscheZahl: i'm a FC2020 participant at least
https://www.codingame.com/servlet/fileservlet?id=53951108611381
jacek: proud of participation medal eh
Astrobytes: The bestest badge ever!
Astrobytes: "Mommy I did a thing!"
eulerscheZahl: let me see if i can scale it up on my profile
StevenV: how can you have the medal?
eulerscheZahl: tbh my profile looked really trash with that badge when it suddenly showed up on the yare stream :D
Nerchio: rip fall challenge 2021
Astrobytes: lol euler
Astrobytes: indeed Nerchio
Westicles: they should add every puzzle to golf to keep CP going
MiyamuraIzumi: maybe we will never have any medal like these anymore
Nerchio: community contests died for this
AllYourTrees: did some info come out about FC 2021??
Wontonimo: i don't see an easy way of seeing replays in yare
eulerscheZahl: yes
AllYourTrees: link?
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/contests/escape/fall-challenge-2021
jrke: AllYourTrees unfortunately yes
AllYourTrees: so the rumors were true eh
MiyamuraIzumi: it is not rumor
MiyamuraIzumi: it is annoucement
eulerscheZahl: Wontonimo you can hover over the matches and click the paper clip to get the replay links on https://challonge.com/yare
AllYourTrees: ya i heard rumors a month or two ago that this is what it was gonna be
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
MiyamuraIzumi: and now it is just confirm again on the site
AllYourTrees: so there's no bot programming thing like internal to the escape? like you have to beat a boss to escape or something?
eulerscheZahl: there was even a staff member speculating about a new contest format on the forum before the spring challenge even
eulerscheZahl: the coding skills required will be clash level at most
Nerchio: yes these are usually quite fun but you finish in 30min-1h and thats it
struct: tr 'ACGT', 'TGCA'
AllYourTrees: :scream:
Nerchio: cant compare it to a contests that we are used to
struct: puzzles on that level
MiyamuraIzumi: but escape is just annouced serveral weeks ago
MiyamuraIzumi: I've played Escape
MiyamuraIzumi: somehow, it is cool, but somehow, I am really bad at it
struct: sure its fun but I dont see it fit for a contest format
eulerscheZahl: https://forum.codingame.com/t/solo-contests/1114/3
this is where the story begins
BlaiseEbuth: It's not a contest, it's an advertising.
eulerscheZahl: Illedan likes this
BlaiseEbuth: Traitor
MiyamuraIzumi: I was expect something more thrill
struct: Everyone make a fantastic bits bot
struct: is the best revenge
MiyamuraIzumi: like when CG switch from Optimalz to bot
MiyamuraIzumi: but Escape is urrrg
AllYourTrees: why is that the best revenge?
Westicles: the question is which team gets madknight
struct: Because illedan is trying to get rank 2 or 1
eulerscheZahl: just playing our own bot contest
MiyamuraIzumi: yeah, great idea
eulerscheZahl: isn't MK banned? i didn't follow the whole story
BlaiseEbuth: I banned him.
BlaiseEbuth: The CM said he gonna unban him. But does the CM did what he said? Always a great question...
Wontonimo: why ban? he tried to teach you CSB?
eulerscheZahl: you are the next Wontonimo
BlaiseEbuth: Anton... /3
eulerscheZahl: teaching people CSB in private message
Westicles: yeah, watch out the next server reset
Wontonimo: i've already been banned
eulerscheZahl: really?
eulerscheZahl: what have you done?
Wontonimo: i'm banned right now
BlaiseEbuth: Naa... They added a script to unmod me.
MiyamuraIzumi: csb
Wontonimo: this is the banned channel right?
eulerscheZahl: are you MK's alt?
Wontonimo: i guess i need to try harder to get banned
Wontonimo: no, i'm a real boy, not some alt of someone else
PatrickMcGinnisII: I was/is, tired of MK PM'ing me. I was getting port attacked, i dunno how the correlate - but they seem to.
PatrickMcGinnisII: why was he banned?
Wontonimo: no. to be clear for those who don't know the running joke of me being banned (but not actually ever having been banned). I don't have an alt account (other than antiwonto) and I've never been banned
aCat: eulerscheZahl there will be no normal contest ?
MiyamuraIzumi: ?
eulerscheZahl: not for fall challenge 2021
aCat: ...
eulerscheZahl: i don't know abot the future. probably even CG doesn't know yet
aCat: go to hell CG, see ya next year
AllYourTrees: i get it though, they need income right?
eulerscheZahl: of course
Astrobytes: aCat: don't hold back brother!
AllYourTrees: i'd pay to do CG contests lol
eulerscheZahl: i can also understand why they do it. i'm still sad
PatrickMcGinnisII: hmm, new bot prog...clash of bots
aCat: why not boycott this?
MiyamuraIzumi: Escape is more that clash of bots
eulerscheZahl: lots of people offered to pay for some premium account over the years
Astrobytes: aCat: I ain't doing it
aCat: I can prepare some game, and we can make community contest in the same time ^^'
Astrobytes: I would be happy with that
eulerscheZahl: that's exactly what I tried with tryangle catch
MiyamuraIzumi: me too
eulerscheZahl: took me months to code
eulerscheZahl: 50 players now :tada:
AllYourTrees: :tada:
**PatrickMcGinnisII raises hand
aCat: yeah, but the game is hard
aCat: cool, but complicated
Astrobytes: Damn I still have to get on that, I have half a bot
eulerscheZahl: for a contest it shouldn't be that trivial
jrke: yeah but interesting for the contest basis!
Astrobytes: ^
aCat: and its hard to get peopl on non-contest multi :(
eulerscheZahl: wanted to keep you busy for at least a full week
Nerchio: im down for tryangle catch as our contest during official contest lel
Astrobytes: 5%...
eulerscheZahl: even added extra features like a drawing module where you can make annotations in the replay. things that I want to see for other games. or setting your own fixed color "i'm always red"
Astrobytes: inspired by the RAIC debug tool iirc
eulerscheZahl: yes. but broken down to CG constraints
PatrickMcGinnisII: the 3d module slowed my browser waaaay down on the teris thing
PatrickMcGinnisII: the triangle shading was good
Astrobytes: Yeah. Was a cool feature
eulerscheZahl: cat tells me to go to bed now :D
eulerscheZahl: see you
Astrobytes: gnight euler
PatrickMcGinnisII: lol, give me coffee
PatrickMcGinnisII: er the cat
PatrickMcGinnisII: i gtg go 2, meeting the gf soon. ;)
Astrobytes: see ya Patrick, enjoy
dbf: oh, no multi in fall contest :(
Nerchio: :poop: :poop: :poop: :poop: :poop: :poop: :poop: :poop: :poop: :poop:
Astrobytes: Fall Fail instead :(
struct: Even Automaton2000 knows this now
Automaton2000: i found a way to get a good bot
Nerchio: yep if nobody has a bot then every bot is good
Nerchio: :poop:
Nerchio: 5head
struct: I cant still see the logic in this
struct: But I dont have any degree is marketing
Astrobytes: I get that they're trying to push it, but I don't think replacing the bot programming contests with it is particularly sensible
struct: ofc it isnt, because its a completely diferent audience
struct: So they say that only 5% is competitive or w/E
Astrobytes: :shrug emoji:
struct: so they make a competitive escape
struct: ...
dbf: I can't even use it for RAIC promotion, because no RAIC for this year :(
Astrobytes: yeah
Astrobytes: and yeah dbf, double disappointment this year :(
Wontonimo: so, is there some anti-csb policy or something? why all the grief?
dbf: but we can spend more time with our families in advance this year, to borrow some time for coding for next year :)
Wontonimo: i haven't even been suggesting it
Wontonimo: since it was pointed out last time
Wontonimo: like a few weeks ago
Astrobytes: dbf: hahaha true!
Astrobytes: Wontonimo: old memes die hard I guess
Wontonimo: yeah
Astrobytes: Don't be offended
Astrobytes: Please
Westicles: you can recommend this one instead
Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/deep-learning-tensorflow
struct: isnt it broken?
Astrobytes: yeah, tf was removed w/ python2 iirc
Westicles: well, doing deleted puzzles is all the rage this last week, but there doesn't seem to be any way to pass that one
struct: maybe if they still have py2 installed
struct: and you make a system call
struct: or something
Astrobytes: didn't they block a bunch of that recently
Westicles: system calls or playing deleted puzzles?
Astrobytes: system calls lol
Astrobytes: or something about access to the whole 'ecosystem'
Westicles: not sure. maybe that was something related to zeno scraping all the puzzle solutions
Astrobytes: could have been yeah, I've not been paying much attention recently
Wontonimo: anyone interested in trying the new tictactoe contrib? https://www.codingame.com/ide/demo/894199f1812b7f93203e7db5a30b5ff51dbafb
Wontonimo: my current strategy is just to play the closest available move to the centre of the board
Wontonimo: no sim, no search
jacek: needs smits to determine if steal move is needed ~
struct: YurkovAS are you pruning any moves on Lines of action?
darkhorse64: Is there really any depth in this game ?
BooDeer: Hello, I just finished a clash of code and I didn't understand the answer can anyone look at the challenge w/ me?
BooDeer: (not sure if there's a way to share a challenge that I did or not)
jacek: you cant
Wontonimo: it's over
jacek: darkhorse64 loa?
darkhorse64: the TTT lookalike
Wontonimo: it is a ttt lookalike
Wontonimo: i don't think there is much depth. maybe
Wontonimo: it just seems a race to own the middle
jacek: its 81 deep
struct: im sure makign a sim for this will be short
Wontonimo: a copy of connect for code to be sure
Wontonimo: connect 4
struct: p2 goes first?
struct: what is this madness
jacek: i never did bitboard for over 64 bits
struct: jacek just use uint128_t
Wontonimo: 128
jacek: though i could cheat here with int128
struct: its uint64_t arr[2]
struct: ok ill make a bot for it
Wontonimo: :D
struct: give me an hour and it should be done
jacek: a boss eh
struct: never used uint128 though
struct: lets see how it goes
AllYourTrees: i used them for UTTT :shrug:
struct: oh I have to create 128 bit masks :/
struct: maybe its not needed
struct: no popcount :(
electricWah: i just got code that was working completely differently on the site than on my computer
struct: hmm
struct: What code?
Wontonimo: what do you mean no popcount?
struct: for 128
YurkovAS: struct ignore lose moves in random rollouts
struct: ok, also on loses you dont take the longest path do you?
struct: on proven loses
YurkovAS: i'm without heuristic (only 10 random moves) and without smart rollouts (only check win and ignore lose)
struct: minimax king joined
YurkovAS: when fill next moves: choose win and ignore lose moves. in random rollouts part
struct: I wont be able to beat him :(
YurkovAS: can't find good heuristic: i'm think this improve mcts
struct: my next step will be to order moves to help minimax
struct: but ill probably need to rewrite some stuff
Astrobytes: even just trying the best move from the previous depth in your iterative deepening will help
AllYourTrees: is there a better strategy in counting TTT than flood filling from your starting position?
struct: every time you make a play you check how many 3 in a row it created?
struct: ah you mean strategy
struct: idk
struct: I dont really get the game tbh
Astrobytes: Not sure it seems worth playing, I may be wrong
fkberthold: Hey folks, I remember some time ago seeing a tutorial on writing your first community puzzle. Can anyone point me to the docs?
fkberthold: Ah, never mind, didn't catch on that the bolded text was a link, if anyone else has the same need before this scrolls: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/25775/codingame-sdk-documentation/introduction
**BlaiseEbuth drops the bomb before going to sleep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jDpptEIWbU
BlaiseEbuth: GN!
Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth: :rofl:
BlaiseEbuth: :3
darkhorse64: Just watched the video. Pretty hilarious
Astrobytes: It's funny as fuck lol
Astrobytes: But I fear he just put himself on the line with that
darkhorse64: True, this is not gentle, subtle or whatever but it's very good
darkhorse64: I did not notice the nickname: carie bde. Will we have a video from Sylla ?
Astrobytes: what did I miss there
flipped_a_bit: what are some general optimization tips if we aren't hitting the timeout period on a puzzle?
flipped_a_bit: I'm already pre-allocating vectors and array-indexing them, instead of pushing each new value
struct: maybe you are not solving it the right way
struct: you can try
- pragma GCC optimize("O3")
struct: at the top of your code
struct: but its probably algorithm related
flipped_a_bit: I'm using rust. it's running optimized code server-size, I assume right? rust debug mode is pretty darn slow
flipped_a_bit: i ran it on my personal computer, gave up after it ran for at least 5 mins, ran it again in release and it took 7 seconds
flipped_a_bit: I know that's too slow, but my 6 year old computer is probably slower all around haha
flipped_a_bit: (it produces correct output locally too)
struct: I think so
struct: at least on multiplayers
struct: when you submit its on release mode
flipped_a_bit: hmm. the roller-coaster puzzle isn't multiplayer though. Did hit submit just to see, but still errored
struct: do you brute forced it?
struct: or do you use memoization?
Uljahn: i think all the puzzles can be solved in python (besides nintendo), so you don't really need fancy optimizations, just the right algo
flipped_a_bit: I'm doing it iteratively with some small-ish optimizations. would they set the timer so that isn't an option?
Westicles: heh heh, find the 3rd PS5 elsewhere
flipped_a_bit: memoized it with a vector (map was still too slow) and fixed the timeout issue, thanks for the help! now just need to figure out what I broke in the process of making changes...
elderlybeginner: if fall challenge an escape room kind?
Wontonimo: yes
miszu: hello all, what are good literature I can read about writing good sims for game engine? I find I always lack structure in my code for that part
Wontonimo: experience is all i can think of. write small games and small programs. practice dividing the Model, View, and the Controller
miszu: not trying to do mvc. Most of coding challenges you need to write the game simulation yourself. Is there a specific approach?
Wontonimo: i think you missed my point : writing a sim is the model + controller part of the MVC of your game
Wontonimo: if you are strong at writing MVC and breaking down a game into MVC, then use the MC to make the sim
miszu: ahh I see what you mean yeah makes sense
miszu: thanks
Wontonimo: no problem. unfortunately, i don't think there is any silver bullet
miszu: I wish it was more like: implement those x functions and that is all you need
Thorcode: how to import time in pygame?
Thorcode: oh
Thorcode: I know how to do it
ZarthaxX: miszu software design is hard
ZarthaxX: takes a lot of practice
ZarthaxX: but you cqan start with the engine thingy
ZarthaxX: can*
Thorcode: https://imgur.com/a/CWQLwIQ
Thorcode: could you guy tell me the app that he use?
Thorcode: not bandicam
struct: notepad++
Thorcode: oh thanks
Stephen10121: vsc is my favorite
Thorcode: VIsual studio code?
Stephen10121: yeah
Thorcode: In that app I don't know how to download pip :(
Stephen10121: do you use windows?
Thorcode: yes
Stephen10121: then you can download nodejs online and pip comes with it.
Stephen10121: Download link: https://nodejs.org/en/download/
theLMGN: you can just install python
theLMGN: instead of python & nodejs
Stephen10121: I mistook pip with npm. My bad.
Wontonimo: struct , i made a UCT sim for counting tictactoe and submitted it
Wontonimo: it doesn't play much better than just "closest to the middle"
struct: hmmm
struct: maybe game is too long
struct: and not enough games are played
struct: I had to stop, this game is not really for me
PatrickMcGinnisII: wow, yall still online
Wontonimo: yeah, perhaps. i'm going to deploy the greedy-centre on another account and see how the two rank
Wontonimo: deployed
struct: this one is still mcts?
antiwonto: yes, and this account deployed greedy
Wontonimo: yeah MCTS. Only expands and tries the 20 free positions closest to the centre
Wontonimo: well, looks pretty decisive. MCTS wins out over greedy. So, i'd say there is actually something to this game
struct: maybe
struct: Wontonimo have you by any chance ever tried zobrist hashing?
antiwonto: nope
Wontonimo: oops, wrong account
Wontonimo: still nope
struct: np
struct: I get too many collisions if I use the method they recommend
Wontonimo: how about just shifts of the board xor'd together? very vanilla simple
struct: the key doesnt collide
struct: but collides on the insert
struct: key % table_size
struct: to get the index where it should be added
struct: unless im doing something wrong
Wontonimo: here is something that may work for you https://tech.io/snippet/j1hklZm
Wontonimo: it assumes your board is 2 uint64_t
struct: ill check it, thanks again
mr.bossman: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/73971d7cb4f6b65f01905d393cac3a24875e
Wontonimo: good night all
Wontonimo: :wave:
struct: gn
ProCoder03: Did counting tic tac toe get approved ??
struct: Not yet
mr.bossman: bop
Ciss: naha
Ciss: :grinning:
ProCoder03: okay Thanks struct
ljtechdotca: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/19857991b3411f124a24681a729cfd7deac52cf
ljtechdotca: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/19858151ee684b8ed955034f3d087ba4af7656c
AZZAM52910: HI
