xxd: the dopamine has worn off, back to work ._.
Wontonimo: well, i'm sure if you fix the replacement your bot will jump in rank
Wontonimo: what are you using? 128bit, 64bit, something else?
xxd: 64bit
xxd: using masks for win detection
xxd: which i miraculously figured out myself without asking others for it
xxd: (therefore may also be buggy)
Wontonimo: if you are 41th, and it not even handling replacement, then it's doing a lot right
xxd: i'm gonna drop when it stabilizes
xxd: (dropping back down as we speak)
xxd: :(
Blokops: second to last coding speed quest is impossible :/
Wontonimo: really?
Blokops: been here for hours now
xxd: which one?
xxd: the 3 in a row?
Wontonimo: take a break
Blokops: yes
xxd: do it when you're fresh
Wontonimo: wait till only noobs are online
Blokops: question
Blokops: wahts the last quest
Wontonimo: and, start the clash with as few people as possible
Blokops: wontonimo it doesn't feel fair
Wontonimo: that's it, 3 in a row
Blokops: wut
Blokops: so is that and im done?
Wontonimo: yup
Blokops: :I
Blokops: aigh final stretch then
Wontonimo: take a break, do connect 4 with us
Wontonimo: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/connect-4
xxd: why is it not fair Blokops?
xxd: with practice, the CoC path is trivial
xxd: its by far the easiest of all of them
Blokops: i want the challange of beating multiple people no just bots
xxd: what language do you use?
Blokops: python
xxd: good chance at winning shortests
xxd: assuming no ruby/perl users
Wontonimo: i had trouble with 3 in a row
Blokops: yup still cant beat those ruby,javascriupt freaks thaty scare me
xxd: i did competitive programming for ~2 years so speed coding is second nature for me
xxd: just leave the clash if theres a rubyist
xxd: theres not that many and you can tell if you play enough
xxd: javascript is not great
Wontonimo: really? where did you do competitive coding?
xxd: Codeforces, and also just general algorithmic prep by studying for USACO competition
Wontonimo: anything in person (prior to covid)?
xxd: yeah, i went to Stanford ProCo in freshman year
xxd: in the novice division
xxd: since i had only been coding for <1 year at the time
xxd: and got 4th place with my team
xxd: but we woulda gotten first, had we not choked on the last problem
xxd: oh, proco is only for high schoolers btw
Wontonimo: that's really cool!
Wontonimo: I went to 1 coding competition in jr high. The challenge was to center justify text by adding spaces. looking back it was really novice by todays standards, but at the time it seemed very challenging
xxd: well things have to be put into the context of the time period
xxd: im sure it was challenging
xxd: but darn, just thinking about how that is literally a standard library function (in python at least) today...
xxd: wait
xxd: justify
xxd: completely misread
xxd: also fun fact, the first program i wrote that i was proud of was a text justification program
Wontonimo: nice
xxd: it would print a nice scroll around your text too, in ascii chars
michaellan: oh my god i still have it
Wontonimo: what?
michaellan: the program
michaellan: https://clbin.com/TfD47
Wontonimo: i know. i mean "omg!"
michaellan: look at that (c) 2018 ascii art, so beautiful
Wontonimo: :( no module named color
michaellan: https://clbin.com/8XoCR
michaellan: no worries, i still ahve that one as well
Wontonimo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/81f423cb-763f-4307-a0c6-5b299796fe79
michaellan: hehe
Wontonimo: That's fun !
Wontonimo: very nice
michaellan: that was so long ago now
michaellan: thanks
Wontonimo: i would need a tape drive to run my first program :unamused:
michaellan: ha
TranTuan1: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1922928bf2fa9a24321b8f01a7bfeabf2398576
TranTuan1: play ưith me
Wontonimo: but the ones i remember the most were on a "rainbow 100" from digital equipment corporation. It ran CP/M (not dos)
xxd: those terms i have never heard of, sadly
xxd: the tech world accelerates devilishly fast
Wontonimo: nope TranTuan1. don't paste Clashes here. There is a discord channel for that
Wontonimo: turn that scroll thing into a practice on CG, with the width auto calculated from the text
xxd: heh
Wontonimo: it will live on through the ages
xxd: maybe the width that minimizes the # of extra spaces
xxd: added
xxd: wait that doesnt quite work per se
xxd: ahhahaa i like the idea of that
xxd: i am too busy with C4 for now, though :)
xxd: I think i fixed it but I still lose
xxd: I guess the solution is *not* to play at 3/5 first turn
xxd: :/
michaellan: wow darkhorse6 4 says he gets 2mil rollouts
michaellan: i only get half that
michaellan: in a second
michaellan: less than half that
xxd: ehhhh not doing so hot after my bugfix xD
TranTuan1: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/19229497c29588d27e2d175a5f419749ac42a46
TranTuan1: phay with me
TranTuan1: please
Wontonimo: don't post here
TranTuan1: sorry
Wontonimo: i think the channel is #clashofcode
Wontonimo: or #coc
Wontonimo: i mean, do chat here TranTuan1, just not clash invites
xxd: i'm so confused
xxd: after "balancing" by outputting 7, my rank drops
xxd: 7 is one of the balanced ones right?
xxd: I will just stick to 3/5 for now since I get a higher rank with that xD
xxd: but i will keep the STEAL bugfix
TranTuan1: I I think this channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ6woCHjGCBXqpf91SsAcoQ
TranTuan1: codingame channel
xxd: no, thats not what he means
xxd: he means, don't post clash links in the WORLD chat
xxd: you are in World right now
xxd: type "/join clash"
xxd: okay i think trying to play balanced is harming ranking, since theres apparently a bunch of Wood2 bots that wont steal?
TranTuan1: I don't think like that
xxd: back to ~40th :)
ProCoder03: you are 26th
ProCoder03: do you always use MCTS @xxd???
xxd: i'm going to go back down once stabilization
xxd: OH MY GOD
xxd: MY BOT IS BEATING EULER's
xxd: wait am i seeing this right
xxd: i'm gonna drop to 40-50 ithink
xxd: ProCoder03: yeah its the only thing i know :/
Westicles: USA! USA!
Wontonimo: ?
ProCoder03: ohhh....
xxd: ?
xxd: what wontonimo?
Wontonimo: Hey xxd, do I have your permission to submit this https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/72644b2724687575d99985250d46e677c32b
xxd: Lol this is beautiful
xxd: wow, im at a loss for words
xxd: i appreciate this, it means a lot
Wontonimo: cool
Wontonimo: it's not exactly like your code
xxd: yeah
xxd: but its more suitable for a CoC
ProCoder03: does atleast C++ have MCTS tutorials ???
xxd: stop trying to do things language specific
xxd: theres not that big difference
ProCoder03: I am not going language specific , I need to learn MCTS and C# doesn't seem to have a tutorial :disappointed:
xxd: okay...
xxd: I looked at python MCTSs on github and language-agnostic youtube videos to understand MCTS
xxd: then some people here helped me with some specific optimization-related things in C++
Westicles: mcts c++, About 459,000 results
ProCoder03: I have understood MCTS algo, But I find it a little difficult to implement it on my own !!
martinpapa69: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/57060/mcts-tic-tac-toe-playground
ProCoder03: cool westicles
ProCoder03: ohh CG has a tutorials I never seen it ::rolling_eyes:
xxd: bruh
Westicles: sista
martinpapa69: stupid pie role in c4. cba implementing it
xxd: facts
Westicles: hmm, another of my clashes got killed by the mod bot
xxd: i literally just output 3/5
xxd: still gets me a higher rank
xxd: outputting balanced number = ~100
xxd: outputting best for me = ~30
xxd: i wonder what optimizations people do to their MCTSs that they arent sharing
xxd: ;)
Wontonimo: good night all. it's stupid late for me
xxd: gn!
martinpapa69: hm did i just make a sign error in my AZ for the 1billionth time ?
Almin5k: Goodmorning
KRALLEE: GooooodMooooooooorning
KRALLEE: the person down below me is not very clever
Jothegeier: HI XD
KRALLEE: "Haters will always broadcast your failure, but will whisper your success" stay up kings:point_up::crown:
KRALLEE: HELLO GUYS A GUY NAMED CHRISITIAN AT MY SCHOOL ALWAYS BULLIES ME, KEEP YOUR HEAD UP KINGS IGNORER THE HATERS AS ALWAYS, SAY NO TO BULLYING YIKES:rage::fist::no_entry_sign::peace:
KRALLEE: ANOTHER MESSAGE: IF YOU ARE DOWN REMEMBER STYRKE ITS THE ONLY THING THAT WILL GET YOU UP AGAIN! ALL HAIL MALIK THE ONLY ONE TO SAVE US NOW!:peace::pray_tone1::boy_tone1::v:
KRALLEE: ANOTHER MESSAGE: IF YOUR NOT FEELING IT TODAY REMEMBER HES WITH YOU EVERYWHERE NO NOT GOD BUT MALIK THE ONLY ONE TO HELP US ALL AGAINST TALIBANS STAND UP PEOPLE WAKE THE FUCK UP MAN DO U UNDERSTAND!?!?!
Lax_1: f
Lekrkutj: what game is made for beginners?
ProCoder03: Mars lander 1
ProCoder03: Descent
Uljahn: power of Thor
Uljahn: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/coders-strike-back
Herbz: ++
Lekrkutj: wait are you joking with mars lander because it looks like one hell of a job
ProCoder03: nahh...
ProCoder03: just conditions
ProCoder03: https://www.codingame.com/training/easy/mars-lander-episode-1
ProCoder03: are u sure , u are doing this ??
derjack: good morning
_lamGiang_: good afternoon :D
Krap: good bye
derjack: oO
MounirEnmeiRyuu: good morning
KiwiTae: ProCoder03 this one is less than 10chrs
MounirEnmeiRyuu: just a small update for those who suggested to me yesterday using C optimization pragmas in ultimate tic tac toe, I used different ones, and it seems slightly better:
Meaning that I was ranked 69th in Gold, now improved to 60th Gold.
MounirEnmeiRyuu: the used prgrams: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/9dc2388a-6b90-4a08-9c0e-d5529df4431a
derjack: can you measure the speed with moves per second. pragmas usually give 2-3x speedup
Lekrkutj: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/e40d65a7-f9b0-48d9-8b73-0d24a20454cc
Lekrkutj: can anyone help?
derjack: try to reverse N and S
derjack: top left is usually 0,0 and Y increases to south
[CG]Thibaud: y=0 is the northest row
facebamm1: "you reacht the limit of plays for a period of time" - what??? hyy?
Lekrkutj: thx
facebamm1: why i get error #407
ProCoder03: try after sometime @facebamm1
ProCoder03: How long did you guys took to learn MCTS ??
martinpapa69: not much
martinpapa69: few months
ProCoder03: ohhhh... Really ??
martinpapa69: yee it wasnt that long
Wartek: Hi guys, I'm doing the ocean of code and have been stuck on rank 1 for atleast 15min, is that normal?
Wartek: when checking the last battles tab it shows that all the battles are done
Wartek: any clue why no promotion happens?
ProCoder03: see the detailed leaderboard
ProCoder03: you will see the time you are gonna be promoted
ProCoder03: you will be promoted in some regular intervals
Wartek: oh I see, I'm rank 1 but my score is still lower than the boss
Wartek: that's probably the reason no promition happens
Wartek: thx!
ProCoder03: np
darkhorse64: I cannot be 100% sure but it seems you are not ranked above the boss. Therefore, you will not be promoted
Wartek: ye indeed, that was the reason @darkhorse
darkhorse64: Not 100% sure because higher leagues cannot see lower leagues boss ranking. The only workaround I know of is to look at last boss match to get an idea of its level
Wartek: it's wood level
Wartek: it's also quite hard to get out of wood it seems, never took me this long with other contests
Wartek: either this one is harder or I'm being stupid somewhere
darkhorse64: This one is definitively harder. The "easiest" way is to write a tracker for the opponent
Wartek: already have one
Wartek: not good enough it seems :D
Wartek: still got some ideas, just remembering when I did other contests it was always trivial in comparison with this
darkhorse64: You need to track everything: torpedoes, mines. Any explosion should give you a piece of information. You can get to gold with a complete tracker
Wartek: atm there are no mines, tracking torpedos and enemy actions using some kind of Monte Carlo algorithm. Seems to track pretty good on the small test examples I test. I'm thinking of adding a legit silence now to throw of the enemy of tracking me. Only drawback atm i have is that when enemy uses silence my tracking gets reset, have to find somehting smarter for that :D
Wartek: so basically:
1) Implement a silence that is not 0
2) find a way to keep tracking after enemy uses silence$
Wartek: if that doesn't promote me to bronze idk what will :D
indratej: hi
Panavia_tornado: can you give puzzles for linear programming?
Lekrkutj: what do you guys think is the best programming language to learn as a teenager right now
Lekrkutj: like what will be the most useful in the next like 10 years
Stilgart: C
Stilgart: easy to learn, basis of the majority of other languages
Wartek: C to get the fundamentals, python to have fun and actually write useful code in short time
TobiasA: html to program robots
Lekrkutj: C as in C++? or is there a language called C
TobiasA: yea
TobiasA: c++ was made from c
TobiasA: most languanges i think or some
TobiasA: at least the most important ones
Lekrkutj: okay thank you
Lekrkutj: And you say C to get the fundamentals, but i already took a Html css and javascript course. is it a good idea to start with python now?
Storcha: stick to JS, you can mostly do everything with it
Lekrkutj: okay thnx
Storcha: but mostly it depends what you want to do with coding
Storcha: if it's to have a job... no ideas
Storcha: if it's for fun, JS or python are nice
Storcha: (and they can also lead to a job I guess :))
ShakeDatBunda: how to improve time complexity?
Uljahn: learn data structures and algorithms
ShakeDatBunda: from where?
Uljahn: from books, online courses etc.
Uljahn: git gud at searching, reject spoon-feeding
AntiSquid: Automaton2000 how'
Automaton2000: how do you actually have to do the power of thor
AntiSquid: s life .
AntiSquid: damn hit enter accidentally :D
Bon[]Crayon: Automaton2000 Bug au fromage.
Automaton2000: what kind of algo did you use?
martinpapa69: you should know Automaton2000, that every here is using mcts
Automaton2000: when you have a link to the puzzle?
TobiasA: no Automaton2000
Automaton2000: yeah it was a bad idea
martinpapa69: yay, my nn c4 bot start to learn!
Wontonimo: yeah
ProCoder03: wait, can we use nn in CG ???
martinpapa69: its not that simple, but you can make it work
martinpapa69: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/58137/alphazero-like-implementation-for-oware-abapa-game-codingame/alphazero-like-implementation-for-oware-abapa-game
ProCoder03: thanks !!!
TimothyAlexisVass: is there a shorter way to get data than readline() in JavaScript?
RightHandElf: I think you can use 'R=readline' and then 'R()' if you're using it more than once
RightHandElf: obviously doesn't save any space if it's just once
Wartek: when doing all the battles in a contest for your ranking, is there an easy way to see all your loses/timeouts?
ProCoder03: ig no
Westicles: sort of... you can use 敲摡楬敮⤨
Wartek: ?
Westicles: that was for the readline question
Wartek: oh
TimothyAlexisVass: Thanks @RightHandElf
AshKetchum: CG's old prizes were lit. Please bring back. :grin:
ProCoder03: for what ??
Lekrkutj: does anyone know an easy "Loops" puzzle
Lekrkutj: or a fun one for beginners
Westicles: top three rows here https://www.codingame.com/learn/loops
Lekrkutj: C 12.011
O 15.999
Lekrkutj: with this input, how do i only grab the digit for a variable
Lekrkutj: (javascript)
Thyl: Hi I want to do a Beam Search for FC2020 in c++
Thyl: I use vector for stock node
Thyl: and after fin all possible next state
Thyl: i use sort for find the 1000 best nodes
Thyl: but vector in cpp has a limit of memory
Thyl: an idea for stock ?
Thyl: *stock the nodes
martinpapa69: use chokudaisearch
martinpapa69: i dont understand this sentence tho "but vector in cpp has a limit of memory"
ProCoder03: how to improve UTTT flat MC ??
darkhorse64: Thyl: Shrink the nodes
Thyl: martinpapa69 I have bad alloc so much I stock in vector
martinpapa69: ahh i see. thats a general memory limit, not only for vectors. but if you use beam search
darkhorse64: How many nodes do you allocate ?
martinpapa69: you dont have too keep the history of your nodes
martinpapa69: you need a vector for the i-th nodes and the i+1th
Thyl: darkhorse64
Thyl: all states
Thyl: and my simulation is quite strong for go to a cool deep
Thyl: martinpapa69 ????
Thyl: Who i sort the nodes ???
darkhorse64: There are also many transpositions in the game so it's worth detecting those to use less nodes. It will increase the search quality
AllYourTrees: how big are transposition tables normally?
nan_00: hello ,I'm struggling with linked lists I would appreciate any recommendation of a good website or any youtube lectures
Thyl: do you have a link for know Beam Search
Thyl: ????
Thyl: with atutorial if it possible ? :)
darkhorse64: my state fits on 32 bits so my hash table is just a set<int>
jacek: use unordered_set [solved]
Thyl: 32 bits
Thyl: ????
Thyl: I am stuck in Beam Search
darkhorse64: yep, unordered_set<int>. Actually, I use only 25 bits
Thyl: ... and bitboarding
Thyl: :D
darkhorse64: I use bitfields a more readable code
darkhorse64: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/11358/breadth-first-search-and-beam-search-comparison
darkhorse64: *bitfields for a*
Thyl: ok
Thyl: I can use a queue for beam search
Thyl: like a bfs
Thyl: ??
Wontonimo: yes
Wontonimo: an ordered list may work better for beam
Thyl: what is it in c++
Thyl: thx darkhorse64 :)
Thyl: Wontonimo
Wontonimo: Thyl
Wontonimo: i'd write my own ordered list by inserting it in a linked list
Wontonimo: given a->b->d->e
Wontonimo: to add c,
link c->d, and change b->c
Thyl: ok thank Wontomino
Wontonimo: the result is
a->b=>c->d->e
Wontonimo: where the "=" is the only modified element
Wontonimo: and c-> is new
Wontonimo: if you are using a pre-allocated pool, then these "pointers" are just ints.
Wontonimo: i'm sure there is some library that is faster for large beam sizes
Wontonimo: if you order your beam from smallest to largest and store the size as an int, then you can immediately test if the new item should just be discarded if it is less than the first item and would make the size too large
Thyl: Do you have an exemple of beam search in c++ ???
Wontonimo: nope
Wontonimo: not in any language
Uljahn: there is std::nth_element, guess it could be used in beam search too
martinpapa69: https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=C%2B%2B+beam+search
Wontonimo: oh wow, you can google that! amazing what you can google
Thyl: martinpapa69
Thyl: I did it
jacek: :tada:
EngineHeart: can one see waht is problem with the validators that fail (when all TCs are fine)
EngineHeart: what*
michaellan: Wontonimo: I'm somehow ahead of you in C4
michaellan: :thinking: :)
TobiasA: what league?
michaellan: Wood 1
michaellan: also, g'day TobiasA
TobiasA: hi xxd
TobiasA: i forgot there was only 2 leagues
michaellan: yeah, its a small community challenge
Scarfield: that was fast xxd, well done :muscle:
michaellan: I want closure on the Mars Lander 2 puzzle... it irks me
michaellan: Thanks Scarfield!
ProCoder03: use pids
TobiasA: i use -x*vel
ProCoder03: Then tweak your GA for Mars lander 3
michaellan: my GA is broken in ways I cannot fathom
ProCoder03: ohhhh
michaellan: I think both my physics sim and GA are both broken
Scarfield: do you determine elite genomes, and dont change them, from generation to generation?
michaellan: I dislike how they chose not to open the referee to force people to reverse-engineer the exact physics
michaellan: yup
michaellan: I have a population of 40 and copy over top 8 each time
michaellan: actually i'd say there's a 99% chance the error lies in my simulation/evaluation
Scarfield: do you introduce new random genomes, not sure if this is necessary, but seemed to help not converging to fast on a bad solution
michaellan: hmm interesting, i do not do that currently
Scarfield: i dont think its necessary at all though, just seemed to help in my case
michaellan: my distance detection *seems* suspicious, because for mars lander 3 Cave - Wrong side it keeps converging to just dropping straight down
michaellan: ok
michaellan: also I think my ship falls faster (accelerates downward faster?) on CG than local simulation
michaellan: somehow
Scarfield: for eval i had some different stages, still flying at end of genome, out of bounds, crashed (score for distance along surface to landing zone, reaching landing zone
xxd: understood
Scarfield: then when reaching landing zone, score reward when vels are correct, and if vel.y to great, subtract the vel.y from score, to prefere slower landings
michaellan: https://clbin.com/zbGHC
michaellan: Is this wrong?
michaellan: or i should ask, how off am I with these scoring metric
michaellan: :rofl:
Uljahn: xxd: thrust can't be changed more than 1 per turn, guess that's why you fall faster on CG
xxd: hmm, my genome genes represent changes in thrust so [-1,0,1]
xxd: I dont think that is problem
xxd: maybe floating point conversion errors somehow though, since I use ints
xxd: but floats for all the sim
xxd: Does anyone use GA? I have some GA questions sepcifically
Scarfield: yea
xxd: Like: should I use Continuous Genetic Algorithm where the crossover is a weighted average of the two parents?
xxd: it just feels a bit wrong... since for example thrust can only be [-1, 0, 1]
Scarfield: there are so many ways to do it, i think many ways would work, i simply choose a random spot to split so AAAA / BBBB could be ABBB / BAAA or AABB / BBAA
Uljahn: guess you've seen this https://www.codingame.com/blog/genetic-algorithm-mars-lander/
Scarfield: then smooth out the changes in angle and thrust if they are to great, super simple and works ok
Scarfield: too great *
AliRazzaghi: I'm stuck any hint?
Scarfield: be specific AliRazzaghi, what are you stuck on, puzzle, multi, clash?
AliRazzaghi: temperatures
AliRazzaghi: puzzle
Scarfield: what are you doing so far?
AliRazzaghi: should i use arrays?
xxd: so scarfield it sounds like you use angle and thrust, not changes in angle and changes in thrust right?
ProCoder03: where do you guys learn abt AI algos ?? I just got confused after reading that GA article ???
ProCoder03: :confused:
xxd: read it and google things until you understand
Scarfield: yea xxd, but either way will work fine
xxd: and then still fail to emulate the implementation :(
Scarfield: you can use arrays AliRazzaghi, but you actually dont need to. you can keep track of what temperature currently is the closests during the loop where you get the input. if a new input temp is closer (remember the +/- rule) overwrite your variable for closests temp
AliRazzaghi: ok thanks
Wontonimo: hey ProCoder03, did you watch that series of AI videos I sent you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjZBTDzGeGg
Wontonimo: I rewatch the same video about 5 times. The first time I pause right before any big reveal and try to come to the conclusion before the lecturer tells it. I'll spend a few days doing that for each pause
Wontonimo: so each video become a week or two research, self study, and review
Wontonimo: along with trying to actually implement it
Wontonimo: tbh ProCoder03, i rarely come to the same conclusion as what the lecturer reveals but the process of trying to get there is mind expanding, and then seeing the reveal is even more profound and memorable now that I have personal context of the issues and challenges around the problem
ProCoder03: I have gone through it, but i just watched it as a Lecture taking notes and so on as it. But I have never followed as you did.
ProCoder03: Ig i will give it a try like you did !!
ProCoder03: Thanks :wink:
Scarfield: any specific algo you want to learn ProCoder03?
Wontonimo: world domination algo
Scarfield: im already working on that, but wont share
ProCoder03: well first on my list is MCTS , I can understand it but can't implement it , it is difficult !!
ProCoder03: then other all whole lot of algos you all speak :confounded:
Scarfield: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXW2yZndl7U
Wontonimo: have you broken it into the 4 stages, one function for each : select, expand, rollout, backprop
Scarfield: this is the best video i have found explaining MCTS, but if your problem is implementing it, its not much help :)
Wontonimo: Scarfield that is my fav video about MCTS, i share it often!
ProCoder03: I actually saw that video to understand MCTS !!
Scarfield: yea its so short, clear and easier to understand than anything else i watched
ProCoder03: I am stuck at expand , but i guess will try to solve it myself
Wontonimo: that video has everything you need to make unit tests for each of the 4 steps individually
Scarfield: his minimax and AB videos are just as great
Wontonimo: tell me about expand?
ProCoder03: well I am just out of ideas on how to implement it.....
ProCoder03: I tried 1 or 2 but to no use
Wontonimo: what kind of structure are you using to keep the whole MCTS tree?
ProCoder03: A class Node with some parameters like Parent, Childern and some more
ProCoder03: Then a Tree with just one Node called Root
Wontonimo: okay, so the only thing expand does is to fill out the children if it is missing and this is not a terminal node
Wontonimo: you can even skip the check for being a terminal node for now
Wontonimo: so, if your Node is tictactoe, and represents this board
X _ X
O _ O
X _ _
Wontonimo: would you know how to create the children nodes?
Wontonimo: because that is all expand does
ProCoder03: hmmm.... A root node with this state , for each possible move create a childern
ProCoder03: am i right ??
Wontonimo: yeah, that's it
ProCoder03: Ohhhh.....
AntiSquid: O _ O
Wontonimo: for bonus points, return one of them randomly
Wontonimo: for not so many bonus points, return the first child
Wontonimo: AntiSquid, am I missing something?
ProCoder03: Rollout is just Simulate which plays one move , right ??
ProCoder03: till terminal
Wontonimo: right
AntiSquid: those look like emotes X_X
Wontonimo: i don't know what you mean by "which plays one move"
Wontonimo: rollout means play till terminal
AntiSquid: he probably forgot a comma
Wontonimo: I find it VERY useful to literally implement these 4 steps as 4 functions of exactly the same name with no dependency on eachother
ProCoder03: okay, then backpropagte is adding the score to the parent node till root
Wontonimo: that way you can write a unit test for each independently
Wontonimo: yes, that's right
ProCoder03: Awesome I guess I got it !!!!
ProCoder03: Thanks @wontonimo
AntiSquid: what's the best C (exploration) value ?
Wontonimo: for adversarial games you want to make sure the score is in the point of view of the current node's player
ProCoder03: will try tomorrow !!!
ProCoder03: @antisquid ig it is 2
Wontonimo: AntiSquid - the C that gives you the highest ranking on the leaderboard
Wontonimo: :P
ProCoder03: "for bonus points, return one of them randomly" what do you mean ??
ProCoder03: so for Tic Tac Toe if the current player is me, the score is +ve or else -ve
ProCoder03: am i right ??
Wontonimo: X 1 X
O 4 O
X 7 8
if this is the parent, and it makes children for the moves 1,4,7,8 then expand creates the children, attaches them to the parent and returns one of the children, move 1,4,7, or 8
DJRedWorm_aa4c: hi guys
Wontonimo: hi DJRedWorm_aa4c
ProCoder03: wdym by bonus points, is it score or just a tip ???
Wontonimo: a tip
ProCoder03: Thanks !!!
Wontonimo: i don't understand "if the current player is me, the score is +ve or else -ve". can you ask another way
ProCoder03: "for adversarial games you want to make sure the score is in the point of view of the current node's player" with reference to tic tac toe
Wontonimo: yeah, so as you walk up the parent tree, each node will be associated with a player who made that move.
Wontonimo: if the winner of the rollout equals that player, that node gets positive reward.
Wontonimo: etc
Wontonimo: it's not to do with who's turn it is in the actual game.
jdsigg: Hey for any avid clashers out there, if your program prints correctly, but terminates due to an error, I believe you get credit for the output anyway
BlaiseEbuth: There's no clashers here.
eulerscheZahl: that's generally the case for all text-based puzzles
eulerscheZahl: for the last line it also doesn't matter if you print with or without line separator
jdsigg: Helped me squeeze some characters out of a shortest-mode clash
jdsigg: Nice, thanks for the tip
ja_fica: _Royale, do you use regular MTCS solver in C4?
Wontonimo: do you ja_fica?
AllYourTrees: oooh ya lets get some DEETS
jacek: what is irregular mcts solver
_Royale: ja_fica: hi, I have the same question as jacek :)
jacek: :thinking:
BlaiseEbuth: Or a slime MCTS solver? Or a baggy one?
AllYourTrees: i like how the C4 has a couple different groups right now
jacek: you can use some clustering on leaderboard
AllYourTrees: my questions are: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/5836c11a-cfd8-489b-b50e-04dd322ed5f1
AllYourTrees: - how much avx are you using
Wontonimo: i do none of that, and that's probably why i'm still at 20th
RoboStac: for the key I use xorshift* on the p1state / p2state and xor those together to get 64bits
jacek: NN structures, as always, MLP with one-hots inputs
RoboStac: nn is Dense layers, 189->128->128->128->9+1
jacek: i use value only, as always
RoboStac: I don't do any transposition on the mcts side but do cache nn results
Qbyte: where did y'all learn all this?
Qbyte: udemy?
AllYourTrees: ya'll are the best thanks for the answers!!
AllYourTrees: i learned this over years and years on personal time and work lol
Qbyte: neat!
eulerscheZahl: i'm still a noob how pretends to know :(
eulerscheZahl: AutomatonNN outed me
eulerscheZahl: who*
BlaiseEbuth: eulerscheZahl is there a way?
eulerscheZahl: to get the code of the contest of the code of the contest?
jacek: Automaton2000 where do frogs come from
Automaton2000: is there any way to see the problem with my code i have to look for
Qbyte: dw bruh 99% of the time that we coders think we dont know anythink it's just the imposter syndrom
jacek: sus
TobiasA: you typed sus backwards
jacek: sns
TobiasA: you typed sus downside up
Wontonimo: no, it's not flipped upside down. it is rotated 180 degrees
TobiasA: on what axis?
TimothyAlexisVass: banana
TimothyAlexisVass: ɐuɐuɐq
BlaiseEbuth: (╯°□°)╯︵ oɯıuoʇuoM
TobiasA: :fearful:
Wontonimo: Qbyte - i find udemy reduces my intelligence every time i go there. i avoid it now
BlaiseEbuth: Too late
BlaiseEbuth: :3
Wontonimo: hey BlaiseEbuth, thanks for the trip to Australia.
BlaiseEbuth: :thumbsup:
jacek: :upside_down:
BlaiseEbuth: (╯°□°)╯︵ :)
squasha: :grinning:
TimothyAlexisVass: \(^ _ ^)/
TimothyAlexisVass: (╯°□°)╯︵ /(!+‾+)\
Not-Naman: dead chat
BlaiseEbuth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDea7laHD4E
Nerchio: Gabbek
wannabe12: hrllo
jacek: good evening
TimothyAlexisVass: !!! (╯°□°)╯︵ƃuᴉuǝʌǝ pooƃ
MutantGene: welll
BlaiseEbuth: hell
jacek: eeyup?
TimothyAlexisVass: #¤%#!"#¤ (╯°□°)╯︵¿dnʎǝǝ
jacek: australia mode activated eh
Swyfti: The Codingame chat is like me: sometimes it is full of messages, and sometimes it is dead.
Astrobytes: The codingame chat never blames anything on 'Daniel'.
Just saying.
Wontonimo: just start talking about your current coding project. bingo, not dead
Swyfti: my current coding project? why do you guys want to hear about it lol
kresteodymium: orz asdasd
kresteodymium: orz asdasasd
Astrobytes: kresteodymium: Stop the spam or get kicked
jacek: does your coding project involve blockchain?
Swyfti: are you talking to me lol
TimothyAlexisVass: (╯°□°)╯︵psɐpsɐ zɹo
Astrobytes: TimothyAlexisVass: give it a rest will ya
TimothyAlexisVass: OK
jacek: jus trying to keep the chat alive
Swyfti: i know, i know
Astrobytes: I'd rather it was empty than full of meaningless crap.
Swyfti: me too astrobytes
Swyfti: im not really a minimalist
Swyfti: try to make meaning out of most things
sadboy69: xc
jacek: nyoro~n
kresteodymium: Astrobytes two messages dont count as spam
kresteodymium: btw
Astrobytes: kresteodymium: when they're garbage, they do.
Btw.
Swyfti: i simply ignore meaningless stuff, unless you are a moderator
kresteodymium: Astrobytes subjective analysis sadge
kresteodymium: it was out of mere appreciation for a fellow cogdingamer
kresteodymium: *codingamer
Astrobytes: Feel fee to clarify that with some context next time because it looks like gibberish to the rest of us.
kresteodymium: yep
kresteodymium: asdasasd is the name of the person
kresteodymium: orz is appreciating
Swyfti: now it makes sense :upside_down:
kresteodymium: :)
Swyfti: there are a lot of people called asdasasd lmao
kresteodymium: lol
Swyfti: either way i am going to play some chess now
Astrobytes: you could pm them, or if clashing, use the clash chat. But thank you for the uh, clarification nonetheless.
Gabbek: Hello everyone, how's the evening?
Astrobytes: Hello Gabbek, not so bad. You?
Astrobytes: Nerchio pinged you earlier btw.
Gabbek: Spoke with him on discord, thanks! Pretty good, the results are in from locm contest: https://legendsofcodeandmagic.com/COG21/index.html#Results
Gabbek: happy to report that for once something is pretty decent :D
Astrobytes: Oh, didn't know jakub was still running that. You both participated?
Astrobytes: Wait, did you win?
Gabbek: Nerchio didn't, I've tried my best because I've promised aCat and I've liked 1.0 ... 1.2 seemed even better so it was quite interesting
MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: dijkstra's algo in python >.<
Gabbek: yep, guess I should try to improve 1.0 version as well now, hehe -- after throughout reading of rules I know I've missed atleast two quite important details last time :(
Astrobytes: Nice! Well done :) Are they still offering prize money? I think Anti Squid won last time, took a while but he got his money eventually.
MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: Automaton2000 you should write the code for me
Automaton2000: they should not be the best for me
Gabbek: aye, it's still there. There's a plan for next version in the next year - AoE abilities and full deck-building [non-arena style] (from a pool of randomly selected cards)
Astrobytes: I would probably try that one at least.
Gabbek: Great! I'll forward that to jakub, I know he's planning to bring 1.2 to cg as well
Wontonimo: hey MaliciouslyCrypticUsername, what are you using that algo for?
jacek: :notebook: :soccer:?
Gabbek: Or maybe I should clarify - to make it public, as it's available as demo right now (but there were some issues with making it public etc.)
Astrobytes: Also MCU, I would imagine python is one of the easier languages to implement that in?
Astrobytes: Yes I understand Gabbek
Wontonimo: jacek?
Wontonimo: i !understand
Astrobytes: Wontonimo: he's advertising paper soccer again
jacek: i never said that
Astrobytes: ...
jacek: but dijsktra could be helpful there ~
Astrobytes: I'll get around to playing it one day
Wontonimo: hey, have you tried that one jacek? looks interesting
MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: Wontonimo nothing, just trying to figure out how to write it, in case I need it :p
Astrobytes: He made it Wontonimo :D
Wontonimo: ik
Astrobytes: Ah.
jacek: counter trolling eh
Astrobytes: How countrolling
Wontonimo: i can see the "By jacek" and that wacky smile he always has on like he just finished the whole bottle of glue
Astrobytes: :rofl:
Gabbek: haha, good one :D
Wontonimo: i wish i could be that happy
Astrobytes: There are other ways besides glue...
jacek: :rage:
Wontonimo: oh, sorry jacek
Wontonimo: really ;(
Wontonimo: I'm looking at paper soccer and nothing is coming to me about how to efficiently approach that game
Wontonimo: you mentioned dijsktra, and yeah conceptually shortest distance makes sense, but *how*?
jacek: one part of my eval
Astrobytes: ab or ept?
Wontonimo: if i knew this game in school my grades would have been lower
jacek: i.e. like this https://github.com/jdermont/YaPaperSoccer/blob/master/ai_readme/bfs_combined.mp4
jacek: mcts with biased rollouts
jacek: well this one isnt exactly fully dijkstra,
Astrobytes: Hmm, nice
Gabbek: interesting! Yikes... the amount of games I want to try grows every day :(
Astrobytes: I'm trying to ignore community ones right now and work through the official CG ones Gabbek
Astrobytes: And optim when I get tired of something.
Maxim251: paper soccer O my gosh, long time in school I was playing that game with colegues waiting for lessons when there was a break
Wontonimo: blasphemy
Gabbek: Astrobytes same - still like 4 or 5 official ones left; tried optim last month - really fun, especially zombies and I've loved code rings
jacek: oO
Wontonimo: (mean at Astrobytes)
Wontonimo: *meant
Wontonimo: oh my, i should just give up
Astrobytes: Wontonimo: I must focus! Community multis suck your time :)
Wontonimo: isn't that the point?
Swyfti: is dijkstra's algorithm different from a*
Astrobytes: Gabbek: Yeah, I'm gonna rewrite a few of mine I think. Currently trying to get legend in tron
Wontonimo: it seems like a flood-fill version of a* to me
Wontonimo: what's your algo for tron?
Astrobytes: yeah, Dijkstra goes for all paths, the A* uses the admissible heuristic to only choose certain nodes
Astrobytes: alphabeta, paranoid, voronoi
Wontonimo: with bitboard, that should do it
Maxim251: in that game important is to mark intersections, not point where ball is.
Astrobytes: bitboards in tron?
Wontonimo: ah, no. never mind
Gabbek: Good luck with tron! Paper soccer seems fun, should try in about one year I hope :D
Wontonimo: for alphabeta you don't need it
Scarfield: smitsi did bitboards for ocean of code iirc
jacek: smits did bitboards for everything
Maxim251: Dijkstra wil not help in that game case,
Gabbek: I admire you guys whenever I hear about bitboards :p
Wontonimo: get in on it Gabbek
Maxim251: I do char-board, :D
Wontonimo: what's holding you back?
Gabbek: hmm, I've tried a bit in UTTT, failed utterly :) guess I'll give it a go eventually. At the moment I'm enjoying platinum rift episode 2 -- really fun with fog of war; what's holding me back - mostly the amount of cool games to try out!
Astrobytes: PR2 is a cool game yeah
Gabbek: feels so weird without leagues, think I'm too used to them now :D
Astrobytes: Yeah, it's weird going between the older and newer ones :)
Gabbek: feels quite nice as well to see that the changes are indeed improvements :)
Wontonimo: it wood be nice if the community multis had bronze/silver/gold/legend
Astrobytes: I see what you did there
Astrobytes: Not enough players though, that's the reason
Gabbek: let's try to push one of them to 500 and see if it actually works :P
Astrobytes: lol, I'm not 100% convinced it would :D
Gabbek: vindium is closest? 323
Gabbek: vindinium*
Astrobytes: I haven't checked the numbers recently. Hard to get new participants unless the game becomes puzzle of the week. I blame the lack of visibility.
Astrobytes: Also, the community games tend to be a little harder to progress in for the average user.
Gabbek: I agree. I haven't knew about multi games for the longest time.
Wontonimo: well because -you-people- submit killer bots
Gabbek: that "compete" button (maybe it was even called something else earlier? Can't remember) always scared me
Astrobytes: Yeah, I remember discussing this with you and a few others some time back in chat. Doesn't mean you have to compete with anyone other than yourself ;)
otomagari: hellooo
Astrobytes: Wontonimo: They do attract a lot of hardcore CGers
Gabbek: yeah, I meant that it probably scares off beginners - thinking back when I saw that button, so that's an additional factor to lack of visibility.
Gabbek: hello otomagari
eulerscheZahl: Gabbek 09:34PM
vindium is closest? 323
dots and boxes has more
eulerscheZahl: and connect4 will soon outrank vindinium too
Gabbek: thanks for the heads up, how's the evening?
eulerscheZahl: just back from sports
eulerscheZahl: :soccer:
Astrobytes: Nice. Must be satisfying to be playing regularly again.
Gabbek: that's great, always good to stay in shape!
eulerscheZahl: and i'm qualified \o/ https://yare.io/tournament
Gabbek: congrats! What's that?
Astrobytes: Meh. Looked at that.
1. I have no Ethereum wallet
2. JS?!
Astrobytes: Game didn't look awful mind you.
eulerscheZahl: have a replay https://yare.io/replay/5ubgq101p23b3
Gabbek: looks interesting, nice, double congrats then :D
eulerscheZahl: i haven't won anything yet
eulerscheZahl: still have to decide how much i want to get into it
eulerscheZahl: but looks more promising that that gocoder hypersonic contest
Astrobytes: is that running again?
eulerscheZahl: JS. I don't really know the language but not that hard to pick it up
eulerscheZahl: gocoder is working on their next thing with some changes. i don't know any details
eulerscheZahl: closed beta testing
Gabbek: out of curiosity, where do you find those games/contests?
Gabbek: think I would like to give it a try one day, if I would know a bit earlier about something like that
eulerscheZahl: cg discord, someone linked it
Gabbek: thanks!
Astrobytes: euler, did RAIC email something about shipping addresses? I have no notifications and nothing on my tracker
Astrobytes: *something extra recently
Gabbek: I have to go and do small shopping, see you later!
Astrobytes: see you later Gabbek!
eulerscheZahl: i received an email to enter my shipping details about 2 months ago
Astrobytes: Yeah same, I did that
eulerscheZahl: in this mail they stated that they'll start sending the parcels around last week
Astrobytes: Ah yeah, just checked. Didn't notice that part :D
Astrobytes: Thanks for the clarification!
Maxim251: How is named program where I can draw visually classes and functions like mindMap
eulerscheZahl: UML editor?
eulerscheZahl: e.g. enterprise architect
Astrobytes: Or just use a whiteboard/paper (the former is better)
eulerscheZahl: and then send that whole whiteboard to your teammates
eulerscheZahl: use a permanent marker or the drawing will suffer at shipping
Maxim251: like in this link
Maxim251: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_over_inheritance#/media/File:UML_diagram_of_composition_over_inheritance.svg
eulerscheZahl: and draw 7 perpendicular lines with transparent ink
Maxim251: :D transparent..
eulerscheZahl: you can totally do this with enterprise architect
Astrobytes: lol euler, I mean if it's just for himself...
eulerscheZahl: there are some free tools as well. some easier to use than others
Astrobytes: The class visualiser in VS is OK too
eulerscheZahl: i have a bit of experience with modelio. but creating your own data types is no fun
eulerscheZahl: https://www.guru99.com/best-uml-tools.html
the 25 best. must be true :)
jacek: what about that shared board we did one time?
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: i lost the link
eulerscheZahl: the multiplayer paint-like website
eulerscheZahl: ?
jacek: this one? https://i.imgur.com/H3dRPJm.png
eulerscheZahl: i rememebr
Astrobytes: whiteboardfox
Scarfield: xD
Scarfield: prunne array, and a toad with a hmm hat
Astrobytes: that was definitely jacek
Astrobytes: I think I did prune array
Astrobytes: and jacek smells of ponies
jacek: i did ps and uttt nn
Scarfield: pretty well drawn though
Maxim251: And in what of this programs I can draw classes, and connections to visualize them nice, ps, I am not using visual studio, or windows, I am gentoo user
Maxim251: from linux
AntiSquid: pen and paper ?
AntiSquid: gimp ?
Maxim251: Altova data mapping tool looks nice, boot that is a trail, cuestion is where I find free tool simmilar to Altova
Maxim251: gimp is too complex
Maxim251: https://www.altova.com/mapforce
Maxim251: screen shot looks, like that what I am looking on
AntiSquid: https://alternativeto.net
AntiSquid: OMG! i just noticed euler was still in chat at 9:25 !! unreal
Maxim251: My problem with coding on C++ is that I have bad habbit of puting functions in side of class in wrong place, and then I have extra coding just to get what i want. Where later I am wondering if simpler will be make function in another class, to make 300 lines shorter. Belive me, is a pain to delete so much code, and begin one more time with different approach.
callmemr.yz: what is the the best way to i improve my programing?
Maxim251: Thats why, i was thinking if I could first visualise my plans for cerating structures, and plan where and what to place
Maxim251: #callmemr.yz doing puzzles like me?
Maxim251: And a lot of research on wiki and similar pages
callmemr.yz: oh nice
Maxim251: I start coding last Year. You can check my account to see what I achived. iwish You this same
callmemr.yz: i start last year too
callmemr.yz:
Is this site realy useful ?
callmemr.yz: :sweat_smile:
jacek: do you have any experience with coding?
jacek: it improves what you know, it is not for complete beginners
callmemr.yz: very little in uni
callmemr.yz: oooom , good
jacek: start with easy puzzles. the descent, thor, temperatures
callmemr.yz: Thank you for your advice
TimothyAlexisVass: I've been working with code since 2007 and think this is helpful.
callmemr.yz: thank you mr.timothy
adxys.09: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/fd0cbea3-4f03-4c35-b298-3920de549c17
adxys.09: please help me
KaiDragneel: hey i used to learn python but then had to stop for a while. i'm tryna get back into it but idk where to start bc i know the basic functions but i still don't know a lot of the terminology? does anyone have any pointers please?
Astrobytes: adyxys.09: First you need spaces in between each variable. Then you need to take a closer look at the variables that are being printed
Velcoro: noob question, how can I write a direct message to someone? (I know I can click on him in the chat, but when he's not in the chat?)
Velcoro: ok, I'm sorry, I noticed there's this help and it's described there.. nvm me
TimothyAlexisVass: (y)
69razer69: any private clashes
Astrobytes: check #clash channel
69razer69: thnx
TimothyAlexisVass: Anyone got work through this platform? :)
Ran_42: How do I add my approve to a clash of code contribute?
TimothyAlexisVass: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wontonimo: there is an approve button. if you have completed at least 50 Clashes you have access
Ran_42: I did complete more then 50 but where is the button? I dont see it
Swyfti: it should be right below the upvote/downvote buttons and above the comments section
Swyfti: oh wait i know whats wrong@
Ran_42: what?
michaellan: hello hello hello
michaellan: I don't have time for CodinGame today :(
LittleFlea: hey hey xxd i see you chat often and wanted to say hi at least once.
michaellan: Hi!
LittleFlea: i am so focused on these code i forget to socialize
michaellan: I chat a lot because I have a lot of questions :(
michaellan: haha
michaellan: what are you working on at the moment?
Astrobytes: lol, petite puce
LittleFlea: i am going through the medium puzzle.currently the stock exchange
LittleFlea: oh un francais aussi
Astrobytes: non, I speak a little ;)
Astrobytes: xxd hey there
LittleFlea: you speak a little-flea.badum tssss
michaellan: hello astro
Astrobytes: :drum:
michaellan: I got C4 working :)
Astrobytes: Ah nice one! Decent rank?
michaellan: last night
michaellan: #20 in Wood 1!!
Astrobytes: Niiiice!. I'm impressed
michaellan: thanks
LittleFlea: i tried the card trading game earlier and ouch i will come back later for it.
michaellan: that one, LoCM, was my first bot programming one
michaellan: well other than CSB
Astrobytes: I'm currently ignoring (it's difficult) the community games and focusing on the 'official' multis
Astrobytes: Ah LoCM
LittleFlea: i am not familiar enough with the acronym for now sorry
michaellan: Legends of Code & Magic, no biggie
Astrobytes: Legends of Code and Magic
michaellan: yeah the official multis I think are worht more codinpoints
LittleFlea: and CSB
Astrobytes: (locm or locam is how most people refer to it)
michaellan: Coders Strike Back
Astrobytes: (the pod racing)
LittleFlea: oh that one is really nice
michaellan: i hate that one :rofl:
michaellan: I just suck at anything physics-related I think
LittleFlea: 34th in bronze it seem
Astrobytes: Better than nothing. You can come back to it sometime :)
Astrobytes: xxd: yeah regarding points, was aiming for legend in Tron today and finally did it
LittleFlea: yup for now there is not much "personalized code" its mostly logic from the tutorial
Swyfti: is there an easier bot programming game i can try
Astrobytes: That's cool. There's lots of info about it around the site so come back to it when you're ready LittleFlea
LittleFlea: i found codingame so original that i actually took a step back from my udemy course.
Astrobytes: Easier than copypasting Swyfti Daniel?
Swyfti: im not daniel
Swyfti: in fact, daniel is gone
michaellan: Astrobytes: NICE
Astrobytes: You can learn a lot here for sure LittleFlea, still gotta learn a lot off site though
michaellan: in fact, daniel was never here, was he?
Swyfti: he's not here anymore
michaellan: i call BS, but i'll let you live your life
Astrobytes: ^
LittleFlea: oh i always have at least 10 tabs open for external source ahah
Swyfti: im just asking if there is an easier bot programming game i can try
michaellan: UTTT and C4 are very "vanilla" i guess youcan say
michaellan: not much complicated logic
Astrobytes: xxd: was that you in last place?
https://legendsofcodeandmagic.com/COG21/index.html#Results
michaellan: not sure what link you just sent
michaellan: but I was not there to play the actual contest
Astrobytes: this is this years COG contest using the 2 lane version
Astrobytes: The one in last place is called AdvancedAvocadoAgent so I thought of you lol
Swyfti: by the way what is C4?
LittleFlea: a plastic explosive used in the army?
Astrobytes: :D
Astrobytes: On CG, Connect4, 7x9 board.
michaellan: ah thats not me :)
Astrobytes: I see avocado and... :D
michaellan: avocados are not my defining feature :rage:
Astrobytes: hehehehe
Astrobytes: Anyway, nice chatting but I gotta head to bed, late here
michaellan: gn
Astrobytes: cya later :)
xxd: is Tron basically slither.io?
michaellan: i dont get how someone would use MCTS/minimax for tron
Wontonimo: let's say you have an eval, like floodfill for tron
Wontonimo: and it does okay, it gets you to mid silver
Wontonimo: that is now your eval for minimax
Wontonimo: done
Wontonimo: LittleFlea, don't just take 1 step back from udemy ... step way way back form udemy then run
Wontonimo: Hey, congrats Astrobytes on Tron Legend
LittleFlea: @Wontonimo would you care to elaborate.
LittleFlea: ans also how do you write in red
Wontonimo: imo self study has served me way better than udemy. I feel dummer after udemy. Things like codingame and just following open courses
Wontonimo: ah, so you wrote in red when you invoked my name. my name has that effect
Wontonimo: well, for me anyway
Wontonimo: that's my way of saying, text will appear red to you if someone uses your name. No "@" is needed
Wontonimo: for example, witness the power of red LittleFlea
Wontonimo: funny story, when i first saw red text and my user name I thought it was a mod warning
LittleFlea: yeah i understand your point . no way am i gonna get only 1 source of knowledge.the course i follow helped me a lot to write more Beautifull code and faster. making some little app with winform and searching how to do certain fonction has been a big win for me.
LittleFlea: Wontonimo you are banned!
Wontonimo: again ?!
LittleFlea: i am so close to my solution in stock exchange
Wontonimo: i thought i was already banned. Isn't this the channel were the banned people hang out?
LittleFlea: lol good idea.banned people channel only.
xxd: yeah, good ol' World
xxd: stock exchange is a cool problem to play with different languages' idioms
Wontonimo: oh, i did that one. i don't even remember
LittleFlea: i need like - 10.7 million for the large database problem and i get like -10.3
Wontonimo: and in typescript of all things :thinking: weird
LittleFlea: for now i am doing everything in c#
Wontonimo: good practice
Wontonimo: is that your strongest lang atm?
LittleFlea: yup
Wontonimo: cool, you can do a lot with it
LittleFlea: started a couple month ago.with 2 kids to keep me occupied ahah
LittleFlea: well most of my friend who can help me are in c# or java
Wontonimo: and before that? What programming / hacking experience did you have?
LittleFlea: i have a project to make a game i thought of 13 years ago. i played around in unity whilst using SO and MSDN .but i hit a wall and was recommended to get a language.in this case c# and get at least intermediate and advanced
LittleFlea: i am not in a hurry and passionate so it is my me time in my head to code.
michaellan: 13 years ago?
michaellan: ah, cool
LittleFlea: graphic .storyboard.voice acting.music are all taken care of.
LittleFlea: i need to code it now lol
michaellan: I can say coding is a lot more enjoyable when you don't put unreasonable deadlines on yourself :cry:
Wontonimo: hey, Canada also. nice
LittleFlea: quebec here.
Wontonimo: 13 years isn't an unreasonable deadline
LittleFlea: ahahah
Wontonimo: perhaps, maybe tighten that up
michaellan: oh i was talking about myself
michaellan: i was saying don't rush it
Wontonimo: ^^ for sure
LittleFlea: id like to finish the first chapter and make it public and see the hype around the game and starting a kickstarter for the other chapter.
michaellan: dont get enamored by the idea of popularity and success, is my two cents
michaellan: just be proud of the creation for what it is
LittleFlea: watch out for God's Blessing.
Wontonimo: hope to see you around LittleFlea. There is lots more here than just challenges
LittleFlea: totally
Wontonimo: later
LittleFlea: ill say hi next time we meet
michaellan: he didnt even say bye to me
michaellan: bye wontonomio
michaellan: wontonimo
michaellan: cant autocomplete his name cuz hes offline :sad:
LittleFlea: what about you.what is your background xxd
michaellan: I am a student and my background is largely competitive programming
michaellan: I have since changed to contributing to open source, and writing AI on codingame
LittleFlea: what do you mean by contribute.
michaellan: fixing bugs, writing features, maintaining some (relatively small) repositories
LittleFlea: which main language are you using.
michaellan: for CodinGame or my open source work?
michaellan: on codingame I use a lot of Python but mostly C++ for bot programming challenges
michaellan: I also use quite a bit of Perl on Clash of Code
LittleFlea: i wanted to try on with ruby and bash someday
michaellan: ruby is nice. can't say the same for bash
GeorgeDzigo: sup y'all
GeorgeDzigo: it's 3:27 am
LittleFlea: 20:28 here
Swyfti: its 6:50 here
Swyfti: pm
LittleFlea: i got my stock challenge done! because of a small error of course.
Swyfti: stock challenge?
LittleFlea: stock loss puzzle.
Swyfti: i see
Swyfti: stock exchange losses?
LittleFlea: yup
Swyfti: its a nice puzzle
LittleFlea: i had 50% and it was puzzling me.had to debug in visual studio to finally understand.
michaellan: Swyfti: what you up to?
masongtxr: help me with coder strike back league 3 please
Swyfti: xxd wdym what am i up to
Swyfti: im just doing code golf
michaellan: league 3?
michaellan: like what problem is what i meant
michaellan: xxd
LittleFlea: wassup.back for a couple hour
Swyfti: the time right now is 8:51, i am going to bed now
LittleFlea: good night
LittleFlea: when coding for C4L bot.there need to be only 1 input for each while loop right?
michaellan: only 1 input?
michaellan: or 1 *output* do you mean?
LittleFlea: output
LittleFlea: in fact the system answered me when i tried
LittleFlea: it seem fun but i do not know where to start since all the VAR are in separate for lood
michaellan: ?
michaellan: what is lood
LittleFlea: loop*
michaellan: oh
michaellan: just delete that code
michaellan: that's the starter, it helps you if you don't know what to do
LittleFlea: oh great.it was a hustle
LittleFlea: sorry my bad english at time.it is getting late ahah
Lax_1: f
