xxd: I got into my first legend league, for UTTT!
xxd: I'm so happy
DaNinja: gg
martinpapa69: wp
KiwiTae: gg
stormwings: hi people
stormwings: what are you doing
weabou: I'm dying on Ghost in the cell because i cant understand shit , so I learn ^^'
weabou: and you ??
stormwings: playing with a friend
martinpapa69: I just fixed an old bug in my code only by refactoring. very happy
weabou: On codeingame or another game ?
weabou: resolving bug is always satisfying ^^
Srinath_Mikaelson: hlo gamersa
xxd: me, i'm just watching youtube and checking up on battles every so often
eulerscheZahl: isn't refactoring about reorganizing the code while keeping the exact same functionality? so you failed Csipcsirip
martinpapa69: no, refactoring is about making code, which is very nice in theory, but doesnt work
martinpapa69: so ye, i failed
StrikeBruv: how are the number of characters counted in clash of code? I seem to have had a high number of characters in my first clash. Are comments counted as well?
martinpapa69: comments in clash?
derjack: yes they are
derjack: starter code has comments
martinpapa69: //comments count in your score as well. remove them before submit
xxd: to get points for the contest category, it needs to be done during the live contest right?
Uljahn: yes, fall and spring challenges
-Gamma-: how do i turn off language assist
Uljahn: you should bloc lcp-community.codingame.com via hosts file or some addon such as umatrix
-Gamma-: this is annoying me
-Gamma-: all right I'll do that
Uljahn: sorry, lsp-community.codingame.com
derjack: :upside_down:
Takibi: anyone?
Takibi: where can i learn python?
derjack: i.e. https://www.learnpython.org/
Srinath_Mikaelson: where can i learn perl??
Murat_Eroglu: https://learn.perl.org/
Mundgus: Hy!
Mundgus: Somebody know how can I print an error message in python?
andrefpoliveira: are bitmaps much faster than lists
luukhf: print("Debug messages...", file=sys.stderr, flush=True)
andrefpoliveira: ?
andrefpoliveira: Python if it matters
Mundgus: Yeah, I tried it luukhf, but it doesn't work
Mundgus: Because the editor don't know the sys
andrefpoliveira: Do "import sys" then
andrefpoliveira: You must have deleted it
Mundgus: Jeez :D
Mundgus: Thx
andrefpoliveira: np
Mundgus: luukhf too :*
luukhf: :)
derjack: oO
Uljahn: andrefpoliveira: bitmaps in python?
andrefpoliveira: yeah
andrefpoliveira: binary basically
andrefpoliveira: and then shift operations to find numbers or wtv
derjack: bit operations eh
Uljahn: i guess lists are slow with large overhead but your implementation of bitmaps could be even slower, it all depends on a task and scale
Uljahn: best performance gain could be from utilizing numpy to its fullest
andrefpoliveira: im on connect4 ahah not sure whats the best
martinpapa69: youre gonna need neural networks
Uljahn: ah, you mean bitboards
andrefpoliveira: ups yes
andrefpoliveira: Is it possible to have neural networks herre?
martinpapa69: ofc
andrefpoliveira: Hmm the ones I tried all had files apart
martinpapa69: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/58137/alphazero-like-implementation-for-oware-abapa-game-codingame/alphazero-like-implementation-for-oware-abapa-game
derjack: no need for neural networks. good old mcts is enough
martinpapa69: dont listen to him
martinpapa69: troll
andrefpoliveira: Ahahahah
Uljahn: mcts needs rollouts, but python can't do them in suitable amounts, that's why you switch to c++
andrefpoliveira: yeah I know ahah
andrefpoliveira: I really need to learn how to use well c++
andrefpoliveira: ah it uses Tensorflow dang it
andrefpoliveira: I cant install it xD I never saw a more difficult library to install
Uljahn: do you use conda?
andrefpoliveira: I tried but was also all f***** up
martinpapa69: pip3 install tensorflow
martinpapa69: ez
andrefpoliveira: i tried starting the navigator and couldnt
andrefpoliveira: It says no available version (of none) lol
Uljahn: navigator? i always use conda console
andrefpoliveira: to install and stuff but yeah... I will try to uninstall python and then just install conda
Uljahn: yes, that's the right way
Uljahn: then just make a virtual environment, activate it and install all you need
Uljahn: it also has seamless integration with VSC
andrefpoliveira: yeah
andrefpoliveira: Well will try it later :P
andrefpoliveira: Now I need to study for a 4th try on an exam xD
Uljahn: gl
andrefpoliveira: ty ty
andrefpoliveira: I need it xD
Spielzeugente: From the languages there are to pick in the editor. Which do you think is the best for code golf?
Natanalel: ruby or perl
Spielzeugente: thanks
derjack: java, c#...
SENK0: jeez, all this coding I don't understand... I know how to code just I don't understand the questions to like any of it
Uljahn: that's normal, you're just new to the platform
Uljahn: this could be helpful https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/55547/how-to-get-started-on-codingame
SENK0: oh thank you!
SENK0: error 404...
Uljahn: indeed
SENK0: it's like I am not used to all the inputs of the game and such
SENK0: and some of the questions are asking like
SENK0: sums n stuff of things i have no chance of understanding
Uljahn: you can examine inputs with debug printing to error stream
Hunter64TheOne: yo
Hunter64TheOne: I am French
Stilgart: have fun with him....
Stilgart: (my bad, he is still on #fr :/ )
Hunter64TheOne: 😇
Hunter64TheOne: hi hi
Hunter64TheOne: 🖖
SENK0: "you can examine inputs with debug printing to error stream"
SENK0: how does that even
SENK0: how
b0n5a1: :D Stilgart
Uljahn: SENK0: look at the commented lines in the default code, there should be an example
SENK0: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/bd018709-6c34-408b-a9ee-9d81520c8e9d
Uljahn: try print("h:", h, file=sys.stderr, flush=True)
Hunter64TheOne: /me
Hunter64TheOne: /me
**Hunter64TheOne a faim
Uljahn: Hunter64TheOneCodinGame: pls stop
Astrobytes: Stop that please.
Astrobytes: Hi Uljahn
Hunter64TheOne: d'accord
Hunter64TheOne: je veux dire... All right
Hunter64TheOne: *I mean...
Stilgart: b0n5a1: don't know if we shou_ld smile about this :/
b0n5a1: indeed...
Astrobytes: Is he still causing trouble in #fr?
b0n5a1: altmost every day Astrobytes
Astrobytes: Nobody banned him yet? OR he hasn't 'crossed the line'?
SENK0: what is he doing tho?
Astrobytes: Spamming crap. Constantly.
SENK0: right
b0n5a1: #fr channel is a bit of a deserted town at the moment :D
Astrobytes: ah, same here most days to be honest
Astrobytes: I don't have mod rights in #fr so I can't do anything about him there
Hunter64TheOne: All right. I will stop.
Astrobytes: Yes you will. Or I'll ban you from here.
Hunter64TheOne: All right
Pro-grammer: nice
Wontonimo: hey other Canadian Pro-grammer
Pro-grammer: hi
Wontonimo: hey eh
Pro-grammer: Xd, eh!
BlaiseEbuth: Caribou pawa!
UUolfo: hey, may just be my browser, but all inputs are delayed by 2-3 seconds and my cursor is 3chars to the right every time i'm in a programming box, anyone heard of this?
Wontonimo: nope
Wontonimo: what browser?
eulerscheZahl: "I don't have mod rights in #fr so I can't do anything about him there"
really? i thought everyone has rights for world+fr. just not for other channels like #de #fr - and even that changed after some chat reboot
eulerscheZahl: also: hi Astrobytes
BlaiseEbuth: "i thought everyone has rights for world+fr. just not for other channels like #de #fr "
BlaiseEbuth: also hi eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: *every mod
BlaiseEbuth: Ah yes, that too.
ReiKiriyama: Python 3 seems way less code than JS for concise solutions in Coding Game... Is there an even more precise language ?
MiyamuraIzumi: I recommend Java
BlaiseEbuth: Don't
TobiasA: sheesh
MiyamuraIzumi: It is the shortest languague
MiyamuraIzumi: :D
ReiKiriyama: its a trap
UUolfo: Chome is the browser i'm using atm, never have seen this before but I think we may be routing thru a new sec service
TobiasA: the actual shortest is c++
eulerscheZahl: are you just interested in the char count or does readability also matter?
ReiKiriyama: only in char count
Wontonimo: if you want to "cheat" a bit ReiKiriyama , then check out https://clemg.github.io/pythongolfer/
BlaiseEbuth: -> brainfuck
eulerscheZahl: then golfscript might be interesting for you. but not supported here on CG
eulerscheZahl: http://www.golfscript.com/golfscript/
eulerscheZahl: there is a golfscript2 iirc
Wontonimo: the link i sent needs you to golf your code first, then it compresses it further by char count
BlaiseEbuth: Good boi Wontonimod.
**BlaiseEbuth patpat Wontonimo
Wontonimo: for python if you want to use some command line tools to take your ungolfed code and do something-ish golf-like to it, look at https://liftoff.github.io/pyminifier/
MiyamuraIzumi: I got error with the code by your link
BlaiseEbuth: Normal, it's python...
MiyamuraIzumi: SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing
at <string>. not in a function on line 7
MiyamuraIzumi: how could I solve this issue
BlaiseEbuth: Change language
MiyamuraIzumi: https://clemg.github.io/pythongolfer/
MiyamuraIzumi: after golf it is still python right?
BlaiseEbuth: Who know...
Wontonimo: yeah
Wontonimo: PM me more details and I'll trouble shoot with you
TobiasA: woah how is that possible
Matrix007: guys i am stuck with Horse-Racing duals challenge. My syntax is correct but the third test case is so large that my code is unable to handle it?!
Matrix007: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/2bcdb214-c325-4c9f-8f51-56b37b37c07a
MiyamuraIzumi: It works now, even I don't change anything :(
TobiasA: i didn't know python came in chinese too
TobiasA: :fearful:
BlaiseEbuth: 蟒蛇
MiyamuraIzumi: I see you go into legend in csb TobiasA
TobiasA: yea wontonimo helped though
BlaiseEbuth: -3vel ftw
MiyamuraIzumi: do you use GA or else?
TobiasA: nope
MiyamuraIzumi: oh, then what is it?
TobiasA: eventually i will have to try those
oxydowe: AC ftw
TobiasA: advanced hard coding:relieved:
UUolfo: if y<r:
UUolfo: q="N
UUolfo: whoops
Wontonimo: hey TobiasA, give MiyamuraIzumi all the "secrets" (they are public in the discussion anyway)
TobiasA: oh yea
BlaiseEbuth: Wontonimod frw
TobiasA: wait
BlaiseEbuth: *ftw
TobiasA: :scream:
TobiasA: MiyamuraIzumi is very high up in legend
Wontonimo: oh, then never mind :D
akhil2310: hi
akhil2310: how to improve in coding
akhil2310: i cant solve problems very well
akhil2310: any tips?
xxd: well wontonimo
xxd: with PID controller i am ~26000th place in silver
xxd: but with naive (no -3vel) i am ~5000th place
xxd: what do you have to say to that :smirk:
eulerscheZahl: -3v is top10% in gold
xxd: okay im definitely doing it wrong.
Wontonimo: :bug:
xxd: does anyone know approxiimately what time of day does the codinpoints update?
xxd: any timezone is fine, i can convert it
eulerscheZahl: at night for europe. in 10h maybe (i don'T know the exact time as i sleep while it happens)
reCurse: I estimated it at around 8pm est years ago
eulerscheZahl: then i'm close \o/
reCurse: Yeah just did the math, mb
reCurse: Coffee still brewing
Wontonimo: how goes the -3v xxd?
Scarfield: is robo's C4 NN?
MiyamuraIzumi: I got promoted to wood1 in C4, without understand why, as I stayed in wood2 for a long time, and I didn't do anything
Scarfield: when others submit in your league, some of their games will be against you, if you win enough games to get a higher score than the boss, you rank up
MiyamuraIzumi: :D
RoboStac: Scarfield - yes
Scarfield: thought so, you have a pretty solid lead
BlaiseEbuth: Scarflead
Scarfield: Scarflea
ABC[]: hello
Wontonimo: hello ABC[]
Wontonimo: ABC[] have you tried out something other than Clash of Code? Like, take a look at this replay of a bot battle https://www.codingame.com/replay/575320043 do you think you could code a better steering than just aim straight and turn after overshooting ?
Scarfield: Wonto, the new MK xD
martinpapa69: whats up with MK btw ?
Scarfield: i just came back from about 2months break, but he was online semi regularly 2 months ago
martinpapa69: oh ok. i came back a month ago, havent seen him
BlaiseEbuth: BanKnight
Wontonimo: i've seen him on discord. he handed me the official MK badge. Didn't even have to change the name on the badge ... cuz we have the same first name :scream:
martinpapa69: RipKnight ? :O
ShinobiKR15: Hey
ShinobiKR15: Anyone up?
martinpapa69: sup
69razer69: hey
Scarfield: official MK badge?
martinpapa69: Michal Korse?
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah MadKilled martinpapa69
martinpapa69: ye i remember back than he said a lot of...inappropriate stuff :D
BlaiseEbuth: It is probably my best trophy. :cry:
martinpapa69: you are the MadKiller ?
BlaiseEbuth: I am.
Swyfti: huh
Swyfti: interesting
Swyfti: i wonder if blaise still loves salt
BlaiseEbuth: Why?
egesko: Hey everyone!
Swyfti: um i have salt
Swyfti: hello egesko!
BlaiseEbuth: Salt is life
Swyfti: Yes.
TobiasA: too much salt is death
BlaiseEbuth: too much life too
TobiasA: how contradictive
Swyfti: interesting.
eulerscheZahl: now i know that Wontonimo's real life name is Anton. But what to do with that info?
Wontonimo: :unamused: no tacos for you
jacek: antonov?
eulerscheZahl: Антон
Westicles: Anton MKovich
Caroo: hello
jacek: https://i.imgur.com/Ys7Dd.jpeg
PointBreak3213: hello
TobiasA: bonjour
Luke521: hello
TobiasA: konnichiwa
swordsaad: hey
swordsaad: Egypt here
michaellan: for bot programming puzzles labeled "Minimax", should MCTS work for those too?
TobiasA: i think so
jacek: most likely. nowadays everything can be mctsed if youre brave enough
TobiasA: even dogs?
jacek: even ponies
TobiasA: :scream:
Mahesh_7: Hello World
Swyfti: Hello Earth
Swyfti: Hello Universe
Swyfti: Hello ____?
martinpapa69: hmmm cross entropy loss HATES non-normalized values.
hornymineta: oooooh
hornymineta: ooooh
bociricsi: Heyo
TobiasA: hola
bociricsi: I remember like i could see other solutions after i finished a puzzle, but now i can't. was it changed?
xxd: on the side theres a button
bociricsi: leaderboard?
xxd: yeah
xxd: no, "Results"
xxd: then "Learn from the best coders"
bociricsi: i can't find the learn from the best
TobiasA: what puzzle?
xxd: It's under the "What you learned" with the checkboxes
bociricsi: There is just Click to rate and back to home
xxd: which problem is this?
bociricsi: It's power of thor
xxd: the easy puzzle?
xxd: or the code golf
bociricsi: it was easy when i solved it first.. now it's golf
bociricsi: what's the difference?
xxd: you cant view others codes for golf
xxd: golf is you're trying to use techniques to make shortest possible code
xxd: so naturally those would be kept secret
xxd: Is the art in the Fall challenge 2021 banner a hint as to what type of game it will be?
jacek: it always the same
MaliciouslyCrypticUsername: xxd its always the same until the challenge itself is released
AllYourTrees: i heard it was always the same before the challenge is released, and then once challenge is out, its updated
xxd: oh sad
darkhorse64: Usually, the artwork is revealed a few days before the contest starts so that we can speculate at will
theprogrammingguy: sup
Swyfti: sup programmingguy
JHowell: Does anyone know how the Clash of Code score is calculated?
theprogrammingguy: There's an info icon in your profile
ANONYMOUS42: if you got to your profile and then press the small (?) at the top right of the ranking square there is a detailed explanation on how the scores are calculated
theprogrammingguy: under ranking in profile
greenKeyboard: everybody gets high sometimes you know
Maazo_o: thank you
JHowell: Thanks everyone, but that's how the CP is calculated, not the score.
michaellan: I'm not too sure how score is calculated
michaellan: might be based off TrueSkill
JHowell: What's that?
michaellan: an algorithm that CG uses for ranking bot programming leaderboards
michaellan: anyway, i wouldn't fret over score if I were you
Astrobytes: Think he means at the end of a clash
michaellan: no i dont think he means that
michaellan: but i may be wrong, JHowell are you talking about the numeric value on the leaderboards?
JHowell: My Code Clash score is 19.78, Astrobytes, and I'm wondering where that comes from.
Astrobytes: "JHowell 09:42PM
Thanks everyone, but that's how the CP is calculated, not the score."
michaellan: well, CP != leaderboards score
michaellan: the score is not the ranking
michaellan: my score is 26.75 for CoC and I'm ranked 33rd at the moment
JHowell: I assumed that was the case. Interesting.
Astrobytes: oh on the leaderboard? TrueSkill and there is decay
michaellan: yeah. the CP is based off of your ranking on the leaderboard
michaellan: ah okay. I read on the wiki page that apparently you need Microsoft's license to use the TrueSkill algorithm
michaellan: i am curious if CG has a license to use TrueSKill
Astrobytes: It's based on TrueSkill, don't know if they actually licensed it or just did something similar
michaellan: Licensing an algorithm seems like a pretty shitty thing to do
AllYourTrees: ???
AllYourTrees: why is that a shitty thing to do?
JHowell: Hm... It sure looks like the score makes the ranking.
michaellan: i mean its just a math equation
AllYourTrees: pretty sure most code on github has a license lol
Astrobytes: :)
michaellan: hmm
michaellan: revised: i think putting a license where written permission is needed for a math equation is a silly thing to do
JHowell: Anyway, I just went up 0.02 points after taking 15 minutes to get 50%. So I'm wondering if I went up because I got 2nd of 7, or if I was graded on every submission every for that problem, or something even more complicated.
michaellan: it depends on other people's trueskill scoress
BlaiseEbuth: And wind direction.
JHowell: And moon phase.
michaellan: What motivates the people who join clashes only to immediately submit with 0%
michaellan: or are those bots
BlaiseEbuth: What motivates the people who join clashes
JHowell: I wonder if the 0% are just looking for easier problems. Maybe they think it's so hard that their only hope is to win 0% with the fastest time?
RoboStac: I think it's often people who don't like that type of clash
JHowell: Oh, that makes sense, too. I'm not particularly fond of shortest clashes myself...
Westicles: Quest map, achievements, and mod rights
michaellan: mod rights :eyes:
JHowell: Oh, yeah. I'm a few clashes away from being allowed to accept/reject clash submissions.
PlaasBoer: 15 min seems low for new people I need about 20 min atleast
PlaasBoer: to finish the task
PlaasBoer: Is there a bracket for higher completion times
BlaiseEbuth: Puzzles
michaellan: being able to configure times for private clashes would be cool, maybe up till 30m
69razer69: yup
69razer69: btw how to start a private clash
JHowell: At the bottom of the clash page there's a private clash button.
Astrobytes: woo, level 32 and FB legend
darkhorse64: gg
KiwiTae: gg
darkhorse64: Inspired by the contest ?
darkhorse64: the sogeti contest ?
BlaiseEbuth: Yé! Astromight!
Astrobytes: darkhorse64: Yeah. Motivated me a bit. Still just a reflex agent, nothing fancy.
Astrobytes: Not last in legend at least
darkhorse64: Great. I got to gold with mine (before GA)
Astrobytes: Was a bit of effort tweaking numbers, might have been quicker to do the GA, but I was determined :)
BlaiseEbuth: To celebrate your double promotion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq0IqiFXIZQ
Astrobytes: Probably do something else now and come back to FB in a bit
Astrobytes: Can't listen right now Blaise, listening to a Jerry Garcia Band show from 1978
BlaiseEbuth: :o
TobiasA: imagine understanding that video
darkhorse64: Cocteau Twins for me
Astrobytes: Good choice. Liz Fraser is the aunt of someone I went to school with and one of the dudes is from here in Grangemouth
darkhorse64: Tell her to sing again. I miss her so much
Astrobytes: lol, would if I could
Astrobytes: Amazing voice
darkhorse64: I have seen the band 3 times in my life and my english is too poor to express my feelings. It's my desert island band
darkhorse64: perhaps with some Dead Can Dance records
Astrobytes: I understand. No need for big explanations in English (or French).
BlaiseEbuth: Your kouign amann band?
Astrobytes: Are Dead Can Dance still going?
darkhorse64: Yep but the inspiration is gone
Astrobytes: Ah.
Astrobytes: Were you into the Cure, Siouxsie, Joy Division etc too btw?
darkhorse64: How did you guess ?
Astrobytes: hahaha right :)
Astrobytes: Still listen to all of them
darkhorse64: I listen to Decades from time to time
ANONYMOUS42: can you add photos beside the cover to puzzles
ANONYMOUS42: I just added an illustration of the problem in the cover and it's barely visible
darkhorse64: I think so because I have seen numerous with covers
Westicles: Just the cover. Sometimes it is tough to crop it the way you want it to look
ANONYMOUS42: Alright I'll try to squish it then
Westicles: ANONYMOUS42, that puzzle already exists
xxd: :(
ANONYMOUS42: oh i didn't know
Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/training/medium/beach-volleyball
ANONYMOUS42: i was planning on adding more variables though
ANONYMOUS42: with different Xs
xxd: :o wontonimo made it
xxd: omg i learned this in my precalc class last year i think
Jeanpier: How can I improve mi overall?
ANONYMOUS42: eat vegetables
xxd: bot programming
michaellan: hi
Swyfti: mean max silver
Swyfti: who can defeat me now
XxIdkxX: lol
michaellan: congrats
michaellan: mean max looks like a complicated game
michaellan: Question regarding the forum: is it possible for me to use Ctrl-F *normally*? As in, I don't want it to search the forum, I just want to find a word on a thread
michaellan: ah, the posts are dynamically loaded so I suppose it's not powerful
michaellan: I'm not sure how I feel about:
michaellan: As you can see it’s very random, but it’s actually a good thing because you can always resubmit several times.
michaellan: That’s why I tried to code an algorithm with the highest variance possible.
michaellan: - eldidou
michaellan: that seems like cheesing it
marco8: Hi im Marco. Im new. Looking 4ward to learning and gaming.
Jon...: Welcome marco
xxd: hello
michaellan: are zombieXNext and zombieYNext effectively useless if one pursues a MC strategy?
michaellan: gonna assume they are for now
sherry7392: hi
reCurse: Yes
J[]HN_WICK: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/19134106ca3987796ceda9c79a7f25fd2b60b9b
xxd: don't put clash links here, please
stormwings: hi people
