AlkaidYuan: :grin:
AdrianoIanase: hey
jacek: uttt talks and i wasnt there? :(
seshoumara: hi. I see a CoC contribution that was accepted with -6 votes???
WhaIe: Clash of code livestream: https://www.twitch.tv/senamonry
sakuraiuto001: #123
derjack: votes dont matter. it just needs 3 approvers
coder_man69: Hi
OVER-log: I don't get English but please talk to me kindly HI
derjack: hello
Marchete: olleh
derjack: it still hot i can't run any serious training
martinpapa69: Marchete, how many rollouts you have in oware after the first round ?
Marchete: 7k to 10k
derjack: rollout, as in invocation to NN?
Marchete: yes
martinpapa69: note every roullout ends with an NN call
martinpapa69: not*
PKDEVN: hello world
Xperience: hello
kisuu123: hi
LOTFI_AYOUB: hello
LOTFI_AYOUB: please i have some questions
derjack: then ask them oO
ferdinandkedef: hola
Draxie_: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/c321d1ab-b31d-4598-892e-cce648a1a752
Draxie_: oof
struct: if(mountains[z]==sortedMountains[sortedMountains.length-1]){
console.log(z);
break;
}
struct: you are outputing 2 times in 1 turn
derjack: mhm
Draxie_: Oh thanks very much, i totally missed that one^^
cegprakash: did anyone have success with backward WINGARDIUM?
dbdr: what is that cegprakash?
cegprakash: https://www.codingame.com/ide/challenge/sogeti-codefest-2021
dbdr: I mean, backward?
cegprakash: it's the new version of fantastic bits where one spell is removed and 1 spell is changed dbdr
cegprakash: yeah dbdr
cegprakash: using wingardium to pull instead of push
cegprakash: it's weird to see Accio's animation for wingardium instead of Filipendo
dbdr: you can push in any direction you wish
cegprakash: after wingardium this game looks more like harry potter now over football :D
cegprakash: but still the top guys play through balls and play like football :D
dbdr: what do you suggest to do instead?
dbdr: some bots don't use magics, it's true
dbdr: e.g. Jeff
cegprakash: a new animation to differentiate
cegprakash: I haven't forgot the accio animation
cegprakash: so seeing the same animation for different spell is weird
dbdr: forget about FB for now ;)
cegprakash: I can't forget FB ever
cegprakash: that's probably the game that made me come to this website :D
cegprakash: that's the game where I defined const long double PI = 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494;
cegprakash: :D
cegprakash: lot of learnings
dbdr: is that useful?
Astrobytes: he didn't know about M_PI ;)
dbdr: rockstars recalculate an approximate of PI in the first turn
martinpapa69: I wonder mow much time would take to calculate first 20 digits of pi
dbdr: not much with a fast method, I think
Astrobytes: you can get the first 16 in hex
Astrobytes: eg https://www.codingame.com/training/hard/baileyborweinplouffe-pi
dbdr: 1. make your bot parametric on PI
2. tune the parameter to increase winrate
Astrobytes: :)
dbdr: a novel method to calculate PI
dbdr: I should publich it
cegprakash: I found a bug in my 7 yr old FB code :D time to resubmit :D
dbdr: FB is 7 years old? :O TIL
derjack: facebook is older
cegprakash: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/429a2ce9-2c54-4e0e-ac7f-2d46b7484fa2
martinpapa69: 7 years holy moly
struct: no way its 7 years
LoGos: No no you repeatedly drop a stick on a tiled floor to calculate pi
LoGos: With correct dimensions probability involves pi
martinpapa69: i dont think so either
Astrobytes: 2016 no?
struct: 4 years
cegprakash: don't tell me I made such stupid bugs just 5 yrs back :D
Astrobytes: every day is a learning day ;)
Astrobytes: And bugs like that are easy to create
struct: november 2016
dbdr: ceg got the task 2 years in advance
cegprakash: I wouldn't have found the bug even for 10 more years if only the CG IDE didn't highlight that line :D
Astrobytes: hahaha
struct: that was your first mistake
struct: using cg ide
dbdr: reverse. CG ide found the bug
cegprakash: I've no idea what IDE I used 5 yrs back
cegprakash: may be dev cpp
Astrobytes: MS Word?
cegprakash: climbed 100 ranks with the bugfix in fantastic bits :D and 10 ranks in Sogeti
cegprakash: I would have reached legend league had I found this bug during the contest
cegprakash: at that time there were very few in gold
derjack: :o
cegprakash: we should revive all old games and change spells so we can fix old bugs :D
Astrobytes: Or... you could fix your old code.
martinpapa69: a new, original game would be fun too
dbdr: there are plenty of commu games
struct: just play amazons
struct: best game
cegprakash: Astrobytes :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
Astrobytes: :grin:
dbdr: what was the bug cegprakash?
cegprakash: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/429a2ce9-2c54-4e0e-ac7f-2d46b7484fa2
dbdr: yeah, that's the kind of typo a tool can detect automatically
PKDEVN: hello
cegprakash: just found another function which always returns false
cegprakash: omg :D
struct: you are probably better by just rewriting
Wontonimo: def cegprakash():
return 7%3==9
martinpapa69: or you can you the code that Magus shared
dbdr: lol
Wontonimo: i found another!
cegprakash: yup :D I see 30 warnings in my old code in CG IDE
DaNinja: in Sogeti, what does round half way to the center of the field mean for say 15999.1?
dbdr: 15999 ?
struct: its normal round
struct: velocity is truncated
struct: position is rounded
DaNinja: 0.5 -> 0 and 15999.5 -> 16000
DaNinja: according to statement
struct: yes
struct: wait no
dbdr: round to even, no?
struct: hmm
dbdr: only matters for 0.5
dbdr: x.5
struct: yeah
Wontonimo: i thought velocity was truncated so that you don't end up with a constant velocity of 1 and never stop from friction
struct: round(0.5) => 0
struct: round(1.5)=>2
Wontonimo: that's "bankers rounding"
Stilgart: dbdr: +tie
Stilgart: round tie to even
DaNinja: 15998.5 -> 15999
dbdr: x.5 <=> a tie, no?
Stilgart: round to even means that the result is always even
Stilgart: 1.1 --> 2
Stilgart: </pedantic>
derjack: thats odd
DaNinja: :confused:
dbdr: lol
Stilgart: derjack :)
struct: who coded this
martinpapa69: full simu code btw:
martinpapa69: https://github.com/dreignier/fantastic-bits/blob/master/fantastic-bits.cpp
dbdr: * ties are rounded to nearest fibonacci number
struct: round(n / 2) * 2
struct: will round to nearest even number
struct: according to stackoverflow
DaNinja: ... "where "zero" is the centre of the field"
DaNinja: round(x-8000) + 8000
DaNinja: I guess
dbdr: how stable is the lb? FB as a game seems pretty chaotic to me
struct: top 2 bots have huge lead against rest
dbdr: in FB or sogeti?
struct: FB
struct: if you are insterested check rank 8
struct: its pb 4 without spells
struct: :)
struct: on fb
KiwiTae: ouch
dbdr: nice
MSmits: I think his bot is GA
MSmits: of some sort
eulerscheZahl: thing might be more accurate martinpapa69 https://github.com/SpiritusSancti5/codinGame/tree/master/Referees/Fantastic%20Bits
BlaiseEbuth: Hell there!
eulerscheZahl: hell to you as well :wave:
eulerscheZahl: i mean: hell t yu as well
BlaiseEbuth: :o
derjack: wednesday frog eh
BlaiseEbuth: I mean :
eulerscheZahl: as an atheist i don't see wishing hell to someone as an insult. I hope you didn't see it as one ;)
BlaiseEbuth: As a satanist I agree, and this was intentional btw. :imp:
struct: o.o
Marchete: Oo
Astrobytes: oO
BlaiseEbuth: o·o ︵ \(°□°)/ ︵ oO
eulerscheZahl: ôô
Wontonimo: (°□°)// ︵ o ︵ . ︵ O ︵ ô ︵ .
BlaiseEbuth: nimo ︵ \(ಠ□ಠ)ﾉ ︵ oʇuoM
a_noob: i have a question
why can't i test my private contribution in IDE?
BlaiseEbuth: You can, if all the required fields are filled.
a_noob: ah i see
a_noob: thanks
PatrickMcGinnisII: Begins early this mornin' eh
eulerscheZahl: good afternoon PatrickMcGinnisII
PatrickMcGinnisII: 13 mods...good or bad omen
eulerscheZahl: and a lot more non-mods
BlaiseEbuth: -> ban omen
a_noob: whAT
a_noob: lol
FalINTOblivion0112: (⌐■_■)
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
jacek: fb? bt? d&b?
struct: yes
FalINTOblivion0112: yes, and i really have no idea
jacek: oO
Marchete: Oo
Marchete: jacek, CSB or UTTT
Astrobytes: óó
jacek: no
dbdr: jacek, fb is in the air
jacek: i thought they fight in the water
dbdr: nope, flying on broomsticks
struct: im still not sure if i should participate
struct: I can probably use the sim I have and avoid the rewrite
Astrobytes: so you're working on it all week but not submitting until 1 hour before the end then?
FalINTOblivion0112: how many mods are there in codingame?
dbdr: don't you do that already struct?
jacek: lets make new game, realistic bytes
struct: dbdr i have a full sim
struct: but its very slow
struct: I get like 40k sims in 95ms
struct: maybe it will be faster with another algo
struct: since im using 4 mcts trees
dbdr: 40k turns?
struct: yes
dbdr: sims has to be slow if you want to do collisions exactly, I think
martinpapa69: that doesnt sound that few
jacek: 4 mcts trees?
struct: yes i use smitsimax currently
jacek: is that... mcts forest?
struct: yes
jacek: who names the algo after their name :unamused:
Marchete: structymax
martinpapa69: its a reinvented algo, others call it decoupled mcts
dbdr: that's not the same
struct: ok its smitsimax
struct: I think
martinpapa69: oh. whats the difference ?
struct: no idea
dbdr: in smitsimax every tree ignores what the others did in previous turns
dbdr: it's an abomination ;)
struct: yes
struct: :(
martinpapa69: and d-mcts you find the corresponding node for the current state ?
martinpapa69: in every tree
dbdr: yes
martinpapa69: ah okay, so in analog games, like this one it wouldnt work
dbdr: why not?
dbdr: you need to limit the number of actions in any case
martinpapa69: ye you have right
martinpapa69: you need to limit the actions anyways...
struct: probably not the game for me
jacek: :notebook: :soccer:
jacek: its somewhat football too
MSmits: smitsimax is a way to get some good depth by trading away accuracy of the state of the game. This is the difference with DUCT. Duct is accurate when it comes to the gamestate, but has more branching
MSmits: if smitsimax has branching N, then DUCT has N^2, even with only 2 agents
MSmits: with 4 agents it'd be N^4
MSmits: mcts forest is apparently an alternative name
Astrobytes: *UCT Forest
MSmits: first one I heard anyways, it fits
MSmits: oh right uct forest
MSmits: i think it's similar to running a beamsearch when ignoring opponent, like you do in some games
MSmits: or doing a GA while making assumptions about the opponent
MSmits: all ways to give up accuracy in the gamestate to get some more depth in the search
jacek: "- i cant count fast. - what's 13*24? - 110. - that's wrong. - but it's fast." :drum:
jacek: s/t//
jacek: :S
Marchete: rm -rf /me
eulerscheZahl: ~ ls /
bin cdrom etc lib lib64 lost+found mnt proc run snap sys usr
boot dev home lib32 libx32 media opt root sbin srv tmp var
eulerscheZahl: there is no "me"
Marchete: I mean
Marchete: his joke was so bad I wanted to delete myself
eulerscheZahl: rm -rf /home/marchete
reCurse: rm -rf ~
eulerscheZahl: but that would be *my* home directory :scream:
dbdr: rm -rf $(echo /home/* | grep -v $HOME)
Coyote44: Hi
I'm new on codinGame
I'm currently on a clash, and want to submit my code
I have passed all the tests but chen I click on submit, nothing happens
MSmits: maybe you need to wait for opponents? I don't know, I don't clash
eulerscheZahl: something should happen on submit
eulerscheZahl: you should exit the IDE and get to a result page
eulerscheZahl: try F5
Coyote44: It worked after F5ing ! Thank you !
iok-1: rm -rf /home
jacek: rm -rf /clash
eulerscheZahl: that's a reasonable suggestion
eulerscheZahl: i would even sudo that
dbdr: # Let's put an end to all this rm'ing
sudo rm $(which rm)
eulerscheZahl: can rm delete itself?
martinpapa69: there is only one way to find it out
dbdr: try it. but I think so
eulerscheZahl: just add an alias vim=rm to your .bash_rc
dbdr: LD
dbdr: rm just removes a reference to the contents, not the file itself, which gets deleted later if there are no uses left
eulerscheZahl: but can you shred shred?
dbdr: so you can delete an open file and it works fine. it's a problem on windows, I least it used to be
eulerscheZahl: you are right, i remember deleting some videos I downloaded while still watching them to the end. worked fine
Wontonimo: anyone have a link for a paper on UCT Forest
Astrobytes: No but there is:
https://tech.io/playgrounds/36476/smitsimax
Wontonimo: I thought you were referring to a Arxiv paper
Wontonimo: Thanks though. i *know* about the smitsimax
eulerscheZahl: but do you know that both names mean the same thing?
Astrobytes: it was Dapora n that used the term UCT Forest in that CSB-like contest a while back
martinpapa69: https://dke.maastrichtuniversity.nl/m.winands/documents/sm-tron-bnaic2013.pdf
Astrobytes: *semi-private contest
martinpapa69: but its different than smitsimax as db dr pointed it out
Wontonimo: thanks martinpapa69. I've read the Tron DUCT paper and it makes sense
Wontonimo: okay, cool. Looks like I haven't missed a paper or resource. Thanks!
martinpapa69: np
Illedan: Anyone around knows custom loss function tf.keras good?
Illedan: I wonder if I can do conditional evaluation. Like if y_true first value is greater than 0 => do mse of index 1+2 else do mse of index 3+4. If that makes sense?
eulerscheZahl: do you mean if we know whether the function is good?
Illedan: No, I wonder if you got serious skills in the area :P
eulerscheZahl: oh, if we know it well
eulerscheZahl: i have no idea about it :D
Illedan: Thx for your time :D
eulerscheZahl: always nice to troll you
martinpapa69: i know it well that it's a pain in the arse to write custom loss func
Illedan: I know, you like to mock my useless spelling skill
Illedan: Marchete?
Illedan: I realised so much martinpapa69 :P
reCurse: I don't know keras but you probably want to do masking
Illedan: Yeah, struggling to find the correct way of doing it. I have so many tabs open now -.-
reCurse: Usually you can just have a tensor expressing your condition as 0 or 1 and then multiply it
reCurse: Or and it if it's possible
reCurse: That's why pytorch does behind the scenes if I'm not wrong
reCurse: *what
Wontonimo: hey Illedan, sorry for the late response but i can help you with the custom loss function in tf.keras
Wontonimo: ping me if you are still looking for something and haven't solved it already
AllYourTrees: you are looking for the where function @Illedan
AllYourTrees: https://www.tensorflow.org/api_docs/python/tf/where
AllYourTrees: also present in pytorch
AllYourTrees: ex tf.where(x > y, x + 1, x - 1) would put x + 1 in indices where x > y, and x - 1 in indices where x <= y
jacek: more math :scream:
struct: seems similar to blend in avx
[.: can anyone help me in ANEO sponsored puzzle
Wontonimo: have you passed any test cases [.
[.: no
[.: i dont understnd the problm
[.: pls help
Astrobytes: ...
jacek: oO
PatrickMcGinnisII: it's not https://www.codingame.com/ide/challenge/sogeti-codefest-2021
codecrow: is java the most type intensive language on here?
struct: intensive?
codecrow: where you have to type more for the same result
AstroHydes: you mean 'verbose'
codecrow: is java the most verbose language on here?
AstroHydes: well I wouldn't use it for code golf
Wontonimo: [. I can't help with reading comprehension. Just try reading it a few times. That's what I do.
FalINTOblivion0112: This is the most evil clash of code
FalINTOblivion0112: trickster 10000%
codecrow: yep such a helpful community
Astrobytes: wdym codecrow
Wontonimo: it is
Wontonimo: esp me
Astrobytes: I am sensing brainwaves from you Wontonimo
FalINTOblivion0112: the wise one?
Astrobytes: (You asked me to ESP you)
Wontonimo: where do you thing the CMB comes from
Astrobytes: lol
FalINTOblivion0112: YES I GOT CODING SPEED SILVER
FalINTOblivion0112: won 3 reverse clashes
Wontonimo: nice
Astrobytes: the hell is that?
codecrow: i mean you ask a question and get corrected on your grammar, then when you use correct grammar you get indirect answers from 1 person
FalINTOblivion0112: uh-
Wontonimo: it's part of the quest path
Astrobytes: clash?
codecrow: helpful
FalINTOblivion0112: yup i have been grining
FalINTOblivion0112: *grinding
Astrobytes: ah. Not my bag but well done!
Astrobytes: codecrow: you asked if Java was verbose. It is. Don't use it for clashes.
Wontonimo: it's half dad jokes, half help. if you roll with the dad jokes the help is more forthcoming
Wontonimo: what are you working on codecrow?
Astrobytes: Crowing more than coding it would seem :P (just a joke!)
Wontonimo: 🐦🐦🐦 (no crow emoji)
Astrobytes: Corvidism!
Wontonimo: 🪶
FalINTOblivion0112: no crow here, just a doge 🐶🐶🐶
AlexWord: to the mooon
AlexWord: to the maaarts xD
Wontonimo: how about you AlexWord, what are you working on? Hve you tried any "multis" (bot programming) ?
Astrobytes: Consolation :taco:
Wontonimo: thanks.
Wontonimo: it almost feels like the cold shoulder my 13 yr old daughter used to give me.
Wontonimo: but they can't glare on worldchat, so it pales in comparison
FalINTOblivion0112: guys-
FalINTOblivion0112: is there something with people on codingame?
FalINTOblivion0112: why do they always seem so-
Wontonimo: other than worldchat?
FalINTOblivion0112: yeah
FalINTOblivion0112: its almost creepu
FalINTOblivion0112: like blaiseebuth scares me
Wontonimo: if i didn't have this darn lightening bolt on my forehead, I'd be scary also
FalINTOblivion0112: i seem less terrifying despite my profile picture
FalINTOblivion0112: which presents me to the world as a:
Wontonimo: your pic looks like 2 of your 4 arms just exploded off
Wontonimo: and yet you are fine
FalINTOblivion0112: yes
Wontonimo: that's kinda scary
FalINTOblivion0112: because i am just what i am
Wontonimo: an alien amputee masquerading as human
Wontonimo: due to limb loss
Wontonimo: cool
Wontonimo: no, seriously, what is that pic from? I've been meaning to ask. i actually like it
FalINTOblivion0112: i made it myself
Wontonimo: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Kaz9Y9
FalINTOblivion0112: yes, but i made it low quality
sylvanas: ll
FalINTOblivion0112: yes?
Wontonimo: cool
FalINTOblivion0112: using a java neural network
Wontonimo: that's an awesome pic, regardless of the author. nice choice
FalINTOblivion0112: yes its beautiful
FalINTOblivion0112: do you have discord i can send the network package over to u
Wontonimo: na
reCurse: Um...
reCurse: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Kaz9Y9
Wontonimo: yeah, i sent that link
code_destroyer405: hello people
Wontonimo: hello person
code_destroyer405: hi
reCurse: Ah didn't notice while I searched
reCurse: Why the claim that you made it though lol
Wontonimo: he made the cut, and the transfer to low res
Wontonimo: ;)
code_destroyer405: anyone else at school just chillin,codeing,and vibeing or is it just me
FalINTOblivion0112: thanks wontonimo
Wontonimo: i'd like to vibe
FalINTOblivion0112: i should have cited the original author
FalINTOblivion0112: in apa or mla format
reCurse: Ah so it's like those youtube channels where they put tons of intros and copyrights over their anime montage
reCurse: Got it
FalINTOblivion0112: yup
code_destroyer405: oop
FalINTOblivion0112: yes?
Wontonimo: not in school
Wontonimo: i'm two evolutions past school. I'm on the beer belly
Wontonimo: I'm trying to save at least 1 soul from CoC tonight. code_destroyer405, are you up from switching to the light side and trying a multi?
FalINTOblivion0112: hey count me in
Wontonimo: cool
FalINTOblivion0112: in addition have you heard about the clash of code bots
FalINTOblivion0112: like BSoD, Tycknorg, etc.
Wontonimo: nope
Wontonimo: maybe
FalINTOblivion0112: they are clash of code bots
FalINTOblivion0112: next time you go into a clash of code
FalINTOblivion0112: look for them and look at their profiles
Wontonimo: oh, yeah, there be bots there. most of them are
FalINTOblivion0112: what?
Wontonimo: yeah
FalINTOblivion0112: most of them are bots
code_destroyer405: Check your code
code_destroyer405: do you think you fixed the problem? Run your code to check if it works!
Wontonimo: yeah, if a room doesn't get about 4 people in a reasonable amount of time, the remainder are bots
Wontonimo: something like that
FalINTOblivion0112: oh i see
FalINTOblivion0112: that makes sense
Wontonimo: keeps things moving
FalINTOblivion0112: bitwolf is alos a bot
Wontonimo: but they are just "ghosts" of other actual players submits
FalINTOblivion0112: what does that mean
Wontonimo: so, in effect _you_are_clashing_in_the_past_wow
FalINTOblivion0112: ah i see
FalINTOblivion0112: they just take random samples of player's code from the past and submit it
Wontonimo: a particular bot will pick from previous answers to that clash, and use the pevious person time as their time
FalINTOblivion0112: i see how it works
Wontonimo: ah
FalINTOblivion0112: the ide then be like
Wontonimo: but i could keep explaining it to make things uncomfortable
FalINTOblivion0112: it is... acceptable
MSmits: would be interested to see it paste a solution in 3 seconds like people who keep solution databases :P
FalINTOblivion0112: mmm that would be CHEATING
FalINTOblivion0112: but who cares
Wontonimo: is it? or is it meta-programming to beat the programming game?
MSmits: of course it's cheating, but it would be funny to see a bot mindlessly copy that solution + time
FalINTOblivion0112: wontonimo
FalINTOblivion0112: i have a problem
FalINTOblivion0112: i need to reach the top 3% of the clash of code leaderboard
reCurse: It's the exact reason why they added a captcha
FalINTOblivion0112: how tf am i going to do that\
FalINTOblivion0112: captcha?
MSmits: practice
Wontonimo: don't worry about it
Wontonimo: come back in a year when you are better
FalINTOblivion0112: yes
FalINTOblivion0112: ues
Wontonimo: to CoC. stay here for the multi now
FalINTOblivion0112: hey everybody in chat
FalINTOblivion0112: can you guys like and approve this contribution?
FalINTOblivion0112: or just like it
FalINTOblivion0112: i need it for a skill tree level-up
FalINTOblivion0112: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/7170e2aa0081c811d945e5e90a5d08c92a2c
Wontonimo: i mean, if you REALLY want to be FAST at those games, then don't just practice by doing the puzzles, but also memorize them like crazy
FalINTOblivion0112: memorize them? noted.
MSmits: i see no point to memorizing
FalINTOblivion0112: but wateva
Wontonimo: i do
FalINTOblivion0112: can you upvote this
MSmits: if you're going to memorize a solution, just make a database
FalINTOblivion0112: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/7170e2aa0081c811d945e5e90a5d08c92a2c
Wontonimo: and I'd a chance to convince you MSmits
FalINTOblivion0112: oh?
MSmits: why would you memorize Wontonimo?
FalINTOblivion0112: where is he i need this contrib like right now
Wontonimo: i man, for you MSmits, it's not a good plan cuz you are already know your stuff. I mean for someone at the beginning of their career or education
MSmits: yes but what would you memorize?
Wontonimo: you can code in you head faster than you can type
FalINTOblivion0112: that's facts
MSmits: that's very true
MSmits: I type way too slow for my head
FalINTOblivion0112: i dream of clash of code while i sleep
Wontonimo: but you see, my experience with junior coders is that they spend SO MUCH TIME wading through the syntax and basics, that the act
FalINTOblivion0112: i spent 3 years perfecting my python3 skills
Wontonimo: of typing it out AGAIN and AGAIN actually burns it in so that it is more like a reflex
MSmits: ahh so by memorizing , you mean small snippets
FalINTOblivion0112: then i won a coding contest at my school at python
MSmits: i thought you meant memorizing whole clashes
FalINTOblivion0112: its a gradual memory process
FalINTOblivion0112: you basically memorize everything
Wontonimo: yes. with a focus on typing it once without syntax errors or having to look up "why"
FalINTOblivion0112: that's the point
Wontonimo: in a timely fashion
MSmits: yeah ok, but there's no real point in focusing too much on that. It should happen naturally while practicing
FalINTOblivion0112: well yeah
FalINTOblivion0112: guys may i interrupt for a moment
Wontonimo: no
Wontonimo: i'm on a roll
FalINTOblivion0112: uh-
Wontonimo: i'm about to beat MSmits in a contest of wits
MSmits: not if you're going to paste the contribution again
FalINTOblivion0112: i mean like for a contribution i made
Wontonimo: it'll be a first for me
FalINTOblivion0112: oh
Wontonimo: and i need to cherish it
FalINTOblivion0112: no im not going to paste the contrib again
Wontonimo: bwahahah
Wontonimo: jk. what's up
FalINTOblivion0112: but i am legit praying for upvotes
MSmits: dont paste contributions here. I also don't approve of people doing contributions just to get a quest achievement
MSmits: you should do them because you have a good idea
MSmits: I never did that quest
FalINTOblivion0112: thank you for your wise words
MSmits: we have too many bad puzzles and clashes
MSmits: and some people approve anything
FalINTOblivion0112: i dont approve anything
MSmits: not you
MSmits: the people who approve
FalINTOblivion0112: but the first puzzle i made was rejected 3 times under 1 hour
MSmits: someone makes a bad clash for a quest achievement
MSmits: then it gets approved even though it's bad
FalINTOblivion0112: that's what i hate
MSmits: why
MSmits: did they have a good reason for rejecting?
Wontonimo: yeah, first couple puzzles i made were horrible
Wontonimo: got good (harsh) feedback
Wontonimo: read it
MSmits: they should not reject without reason
Wontonimo: sent hate mail
FalINTOblivion0112: then it shows up when i play clash of code
MSmits: but they should reject every time they find something wrong
Wontonimo: then upped my game
FalINTOblivion0112: im like: wait the statement dosen't even tell me what the variables are and what they do
MSmits: so.. bad clash
FalINTOblivion0112: yes
MSmits: precisely my point
FalINTOblivion0112: precisely
MSmits: bad stuff gets accepted. So people need to be strict and reject
FalINTOblivion0112: there
MSmits: and also, people should not make clashes or puzzles just for a quest achievement
MSmits: glad we all agree
FalINTOblivion0112: at least i agree
Wontonimo: yeah, look at some of the "easy" practice challenges that have lots of stars for examples of good writeups
FalINTOblivion0112: i contribute the the community
FalINTOblivion0112: it is OUR puzzles
FalINTOblivion0112: OUR clash of codes
MSmits: it is
Wontonimo: and we are all equal
FalINTOblivion0112: a communist society
FalINTOblivion0112: in a nutshell
MSmits: not really, not unless we stop doing it for free
FalINTOblivion0112: well...
MSmits: they idea is that people all get paid the same in communism, but they do get paid
FalINTOblivion0112: some however more than others
MSmits: no in the ideal of it
MSmits: not
FalINTOblivion0112: have you read animal farm
MSmits: just like the ideal of capitalism doens't always match reality
FalINTOblivion0112: the book animal farm
MSmits: no
FalINTOblivion0112: well there is a world-famous quote in it
MSmits: i know the quote
FalINTOblivion0112: all coders are equal, but some are more equal then others
MSmits: yes i know the quote
MSmits: but you are confusing two things
FalINTOblivion0112: yeah its funny
MSmits: communism the idea and communism in practice
FalINTOblivion0112: communism the political system is currently in play
MSmits: the whole thing about some being more equal in practice is not the idea
FalINTOblivion0112: but the idea of absolute communism is impossible
MSmits: thats how it turns out
MSmits: of course it is
MSmits: just like any absolute is
FalINTOblivion0112: trying to practice communism dosen't mean you get it right
MSmits: of course not
Wontonimo: what the heck?
Wontonimo: code and dad jokes people
FalINTOblivion0112: the very idea of communism from the beginning falls on the fatal flaw of human nature
MSmits: right
FalINTOblivion0112: what do we want the most in life
Wontonimo: socialism
MSmits: differs for everyone
FalINTOblivion0112: no, power
Wontonimo: tacos
MSmits: no, differs for everyone
FalINTOblivion0112: uh.
MSmits: there's is no single answer
Astrobytes: :taco:
Wontonimo: very much tacos
FalINTOblivion0112: right
FalINTOblivion0112: tacos
MSmits: tacos for some, indeed
Wontonimo: thank you !
FalINTOblivion0112: yeah
FalINTOblivion0112: i love tacos, i have to admit
FalINTOblivion0112: first, i follow everybody in chat
Astrobytes: you're lucky I was right in time, just came back from afk, going afk again
FalINTOblivion0112: hello astrobytes
Wontonimo: ur awesome Astrobytes
FalINTOblivion0112: how was your afk session
Wontonimo: so, c++ question
FalINTOblivion0112: yes?
FalINTOblivion0112: i dont know c++ but, either way...
MSmits: i'll try Wontonimo
MSmits: but i dont know much
Wontonimo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/e86bfb11-c9a0-49a2-9e79-8a43b9d76d55
MSmits: nope, never did
Wontonimo: the ":2" to indicate only 2 bits
MSmits: i do try to cram bits, but never like that
Wontonimo: ah
MSmits: probabyl should
MSmits: btw, this is only worth it when you are memory limited
MSmits: overall, or by cache
Wontonimo: i haven't seen it help much. Definitely didn't do anything for me in UTTT
Wontonimo: I got my Node down to 15 bytes
MSmits: no, it probably wouldn't
MSmits: 15 bytes wouldnt be better than 16 anyways
Wontonimo: i think the overhead of unpacking used up all gains from cache hits
MSmits: yeah
Wontonimo: it was 26bytes or something like that before
Wontonimo: yeah, i know about the 16/32 things
MSmits: i usually keep it at 24
Wontonimo: (there is a 16/32 thing right)
MSmits: no i think it goes in steps of 4 or 8 bytes
Wontonimo: oh
Wontonimo: i'll check that out, thanks
MSmits: i'm no expert on this, mind you
Wontonimo: noted
MSmits: but i do try to always limit to 24, unless i save my state on the node
reCurse: Alignment goes with the size of the largest basic type
FalINTOblivion0112: recurse joins the chat
Wontonimo: can you say that another way reCurse ? I think i get it, but help please
MSmits: someone told me you can allign on 4 byte types even if you have an 8 byte type in your struct
MSmits: i think it was struct
MSmits: but maybe not automatically
Wontonimo: so if the Class has a basic type of 8 bytes, it is aligned on 8 bytes regardless of the 1 byte members?
MSmits: I think what recurse means is that if you have a uint64_t in there, it's gonna be 16 bytes even if you only put 9 bytes in there
MSmits: i think the problem is this
MSmits: if you pack it any other way
MSmits: the uint64_t is going to be split across a boundary
MSmits: if you have it as uint64_t -> byte -> another uint64_t
reCurse: There's also the alignment of each individual member to take into account
reCurse: So that makes two
MSmits: yeah that's what i meant
MSmits: is it called a memory register?
reCurse: so if you have a struct with {int, uint64_t, int} it will be size 24
MSmits: in that case, the uint64_t cant be split between registers
reCurse: {uint64_t, int, int} will be 16
MSmits: right
reCurse: but {int8_t,int8_t,int8_t} will be 3
MSmits: 3 bytes?
reCurse: {int,int8_t,int8_t,int8_t} will be 8
Wontonimo: nice
MSmits: got it
MSmits: this is how i always packed stuff
MSmits: largest item first
reCurse: {int8_t,int,int8_t,int8_t} will be 12
MSmits: but you can give it instructions to pack it more efficiently right?
MSmits: with some loss of performance?
MSmits: but gain in memory?
PatrickMcGinnisII: This is where i make a sizeof(===D) joke right?
reCurse: Sure though I'm not sure it's standard
reCurse: I have yet to see a single instance that's worth it outside of serializing a weird struct and even then
MSmits: yeah it's better to just be mindful of this
Wontonimo: back when i worked at Nortel on their switches, they did lots of bit packing. All coded in Pascal. Crazy times
u9g: yo what is happening in world chat
u9g: lol
MSmits: i'm going to bed is what's happening :)
MSmits: gn
codecrow: im late but i vote tacos
Mochlek: smae
PatrickMcGinnisII: it is tuesday
Wontonimo: so would {uint64_t b[2],uint8_t p} be 16*3 bytes?
MSmits: 8*3
Wontonimo: right, cuz i can't math
Wontonimo: thanks
MSmits: np, gn
Wontonimo: gn
Wontonimo: thanks for the byte alignment mini-review
Wontonimo: good stuff
iBug: Hi bro
Wontonimo: hi
iBug: Good morning
FalINTOblivion0112: good morning?
FalINTOblivion0112: oh yeah your are in different time zone
iBug: HAHA
FalINTOblivion0112: it is good morning here
FalINTOblivion0112: good evening from canada, i guess
iBug: oh yeah I forgot the jet lag
FalINTOblivion0112: 30 puzzles solved in python
FalINTOblivion0112: lets goo
iBug: You go, I'm still learning python
Wontonimo: iBug - you may be interested in this https://www.hackinscience.org/exercises/ for python
iBug: thanks this website is very good and very helpful to me
Wontonimo: nice
Gameonn: anything for php?
FalINTOblivion0112: PHP?
FalINTOblivion0112: the language php?
Gameonn: Yes
Parceni: lol PHP
mrmindx1: wtf
thePython: Python the best
mrmindx1: your name is python
mrmindx1: so you king of python
thePython: obviously
thePython: what is your language
Hydrazer: it is not python
xxd: python1
xxd: best language
Wontonimo: print(bytes('䅔佃⅓吊敨⁹牡潧摯','u16')[2:])
Wontonimo: for those python fans out there
Wontonimo: looks like we got a lot of new coders
Wontonimo: welcome
7lck: i'm not good at python
Wontonimo: what are you good at?
7lck: This is too unfriendly to C ++
Wontonimo: really?
Wontonimo: are you only doing Clash of Code?
Wontonimo: let me introduce you to something a lot more fun where you c++ skills will be loved
Wontonimo: bot programming, aka multis
Wontonimo: take a look at this https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/coders-strike-back/leaderboard?column=LANGUAGE&value=Python3
Wontonimo: no, not that link
Wontonimo: this one https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/coders-strike-back
Wontonimo: you make a bot that battles other peoples in an arean
Wontonimo: like this https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/coders-strike-back
7lck: sounds great
Wontonimo: i can give you a quick run down and intro
Wontonimo: anyone else interested? I'll make a chat room if that's the case
Wontonimo: #csb
Wontonimo: ^^ there
iBug: im in
7lck: but I'm just a beginner
Wontonimo: click on the #csb link
AlkaidYuan: :grin:
