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Thyl: He did'nt be ban ?
Tiramon: hmguess he left ... don't get any automcompletion on him
Tiramon: i've baned them anyway
Tiramon: hm can't ban people that are not online :(
KamadoTanjiro: hi
derjack: good morning
Dark_Hack: hi
Vanta_Black: hehehe boyiii
KovanTrober: Greetings from Czechia ;-)
struct: hi
KiwiTae: o/
martinpapa69: :/
struct: i think we had the same reaction
Illedan: :(
struct: oh well i beat the default
struct: at least i have a sim for this if i dont include spells
YusufEmad04: helloooooooooo
Illedan: struct, it is 100 % FB?
struct: yes but you only have 1 spell
Illedan: of, new spell
struct: new and only
KiwiTae: u got a NN ready for this?
struct: no
struct: I just had fb sim that I never used
struct: all i did was copy paste
struct: since my sim did not have spells
struct: :D
Illedan: lol
struct: I guess this is a easy victory for pb4
struct: robo also has a bot :(
RoboStac: yeah, but it's only 46th on the fb leaderboard
struct: yeah this one is like 400th gold I think
martinpapa69: does your code compile ?
struct: I was trying to make smistimax for it
RoboStac: I had to disable spells, but no other changes
struct: but gave up on it
struct: yeah you only have to disable spells
martinpapa69: i get some exotic messages for my old code
martinpapa69: CS1024: Preprocessor directive expected
RoboStac: do you have the wrong language selected?
martinpapa69: yup :D
MSmits: happens to me all the time
struct: i probably cant write the spell without referee
MSmits: you dont have a referee?
Illedan: This force seems instant
martinpapa69: no idea how to feed this many entities to NN... convnet with a layer for each entity type i guess ?
Illedan: should be easy
MSmits: martinpapa69 time to appeal to re curse
struct: its like apply thrust?
MSmits: I think he did a nn for this
MSmits: not sure he finished it
martinpapa69: he's not the guy who likes to share many details :D
MSmits: not many, true
MSmits: but some
struct: maybe I need to change my algo
struct: since smitsimax failed for me on fb
MSmits: it's not easy to implement there
MSmits: people use GA too
Illedan: This code is smitsimax
struct: i dont know ga though
struct: maybe ill need to learn
struct: yes Illedan
MSmits: pb 4 uses GA
dbdr: Illedan you have smitsimax in sogesti?
struct: I do dbdr
struct: since its a failed fb test
MSmits: sogeti
dbdr: doing worse than my 5 lines of python? :thinking:
Illedan: I have dbdr
Illedan: but it sucks
Illedan: I'll rewrite to SGA in a few days
Marchete: GA? welcome to 2015
MSmits: whats the S again?
dbdr: strange it fails so badly
Illedan: I think my eval is very bad
Illedan: And I think the combining of the scores for my wizards are bad
MSmits: dbdr the hard part is that in some states you can have the ball (sniffle?) and some not and it's the same node
MSmits: so different moves available, same node
MSmits: hard to deal with
Illedan: S = Simultaneous
RoboStac: mines still a ga, I thought I'd tried smitsi but theres no sign of it in my history
MSmits: in csb for example, all moves are always the same
MSmits: so if the state is a lot different, you can still use the same node
MSmits: pcr also, mostly. Works in br2k too
MSmits: you can instead keep different sets of statistics on a node for two movement sets
MSmits: but I dunno
dbdr: it's so strange, these contests with advanced bots submitted in the first minutes :D
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: I'm not even going to try going up against ex-contest bots
Illedan: I need Legend in FB anyway, so I might give it a go
MSmits: ah yeah thats a good point
MSmits: I guess it could give me some easy cp
TreborKovan: MSmits - Why? Take it as fun ;-)
MSmits: this type of game is less fun to me
Illedan: No bitboarding? :D
MSmits: still working on dots and boxes
MSmits: well... mostly that it's a physics game and hard to search
dbdr: and Snake is not out...
Illedan: I have to do Snake first.
Illedan: If someone just accepted my non visualizer :eyes:
Illedan: xD
dbdr: with JS viewer, could you display every single move?
Illedan: I think so
struct: yes
dbdr: wow
derjack: so clobber nearly tripled players during potw
derjack: and new pots isnt multiplayer :(
struct: join the contest
struct: apply your NN
Malek_BOUFAHJA: hello :)
Malek_BOUFAHJA: i'm in
MSmits: pots?
dbdr: puzzle of the semaine
KiwiTae: baguette week
KiwiTae: :grin:
Marchete: :french_bread:
MSmits: ohh ok
AsteelPoro: Hi guys, did someone try the potw ?
Tiramon: why?
AsteelPoro: i'm blocked and i was searching for some advices
Tiramon: hm puzzle of the week has a missing 'wrong output' it dos not mention 'starting square is empty'
AntiSquid: AsteelPoro blocked from what? i see you in chat lol
Marchete: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
struct: what happened
Marchete: crashes crashes crashes
struct: where
Marchete: everywhere!
MSmits: yeah you crashed me to rank 2 :P
Marchete: :S
MSmits: working on that solver now
MSmits: and then i need to figure out what to do with my nim sacrifices that lose me games vs you
MSmits: this game: https://www.codingame.com/replay/572256651
MSmits: my first sacrifice is obviously a bad idea and cost me the game
MSmits: however
Marchete: add more ifs
MSmits: why did you make the sacrifice
MSmits: at frame 48
MSmits: wait no its the other way around
MSmits: *you* made the first!
MSmits: why lol
MSmits: it's not nim, but score solving is really hard at this point
MSmits: so i am wondering how your bot gets to the decision of this risky move
MSmits: do you mcts it? Play out to endgame,backprop your solved score?
Marchete: it heuristics at first
Marchete: and at some point minimax
MSmits: sure, but that box cant have come from minimax can it?
MSmits: can you really solve that early?
Marchete: T:=
Marchete: T:0
Marchete: it's heuristic
MSmits: so you heuristically give away a box?
MSmits: ballsy
struct: if turn == 48 giveaway
MSmits: his is actually at 43
MSmits: so even worse
MSmits: mine is at 48 and based on nim
jrke: MS do in mid game or say before endgame do you make the board easy
jrke: i mean like less chains and all
MSmits: my current submit doesnt make the board easy, it tries to do the opposity
MSmits: but i do it from turn 1
MSmits: until turn 33
MSmits: then switch to nim solving, because i need nim solving to beat everyone
MSmits: apparently it only takes 1 player to make the board easy/loopy
MSmits: even if the other player tries to stop it
MSmits: i cant stop martinpapa69
MSmits: err
MSmits: Marchete
jrke: i think before 3-4 turns of endgame you can do minimax and using solver value as evaluation
dbdr: m<tab>
Marchete: I try to do loops
MSmits: yes and i try to stop it, but i fail
Marchete: but before searchs or even nim
Marchete: I try to count graph info
derjack: man addicted to brake fluids claims he can stop anytime
Marchete: and meanwhile I crash a loooot
MSmits: jrke i was working on that
MSmits: but even then, my nim solver causes me to sacrifice boxes, early solving might not save me
jrke: i am not sure what is nim solving
MSmits: it's solving but for control, not for score
MSmits: so i try to be the one that plays the last safe move
MSmits: so that the other guy needs to open a long chain or something
MSmits: nim solving is wayyy faster
MSmits: unfortunately, you oftne need to give away a box when you do it
MSmits: and that puts you 1 behind on score
MSmits: then when the endgame starts, Marchete kicks your ass
jrke: Marchete did you made your solver?
MSmits: i could switch to nimsolving without giving away boxes, but thats not true nim. I would lose more vs mikla
MSmits: Marchete beating mikla with the same stick
MSmits: changing the meta
Marchete: I do fair against mikla too
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: I like it
Marchete: but I don't have 100% winrate vs lower ppl
MSmits: I loved my score solver, but it was so useless before
MSmits: now it's not
MSmits: just gotta combine everything properly
Marchete: because of me?
MSmits: I'm sure you noticed you're helping jrke, as well Marchete
MSmits: yes
MSmits: jrke has a good score solver
MSmits: so making everything about score, helps him too
Marchete: ahh, didn't know
Marchete: what I knew is that he is deterministic
MSmits: remi sucls at score, he's a nim guy
MSmits: sucks
Marchete: because I testbench some stuff
MSmits: oh
MSmits: i didnt check, but yeah some players are deterministic
MSmits: remi is also. I had a cheesy way to beat him before i had a nim solver
MSmits: I used seeded random and just tried different seeds until i always won :P
dbdr: :D
MSmits: it's like a counterbook except it's 1 integer
dbdr: strange that remi is deterministic. then it's not MCTS, or fixed number of sims?
derjack: you could use that rng to initialize random nn and find which one is best
dbdr: ^ genius
derjack: remi uses... math
derjack: maybe he thinks mcts is for noobs
MSmits: yeah, good point dbdr, i also thought he had some kind of nim-mcts so math + mcts, but yeah that seems hard to combine with determinism
MSmits: most players just random the early game
MSmits: the only thing i found you can do is affect the general shape of the structures that come out, but not decide the game in your favor that way
MSmits: using mcts i mean
MSmits: aka, force the loopy board
jrke: is there any way we can use heuristic to solve non-loony games
jrke: like in which joints are there
jrke: like chain running into a loop
MSmits: chain running into loop is easily done heuristically
MSmits: always remove the chain first
MSmits: before the loop that is
MSmits: not necessarily before other chains
MSmits: no easy heuristics for that decision unfortunately
MSmits: for example, sometimes it's good to play a loop before a chain
MSmits: but to get to this connected loop, you need to play the attached chain first
MSmits: so then you'll do the attached chain before other chains
MSmits: but if the attached chain is very long, it's a bad idea
Marchete: 14 matches without a crash! a new record....
MSmits: gj :)
Marchete: :unamused:
Marchete: 15th was a crash
MSmits: thats how that goe
MSmits: s
MSmits: did you not find the cause of crashes?
Marchete: I find some
MSmits: so you coded too much at once?
Marchete: and that's why it crashes less
MSmits: I thought i was the only one making the mistake of coding 500 lines and then doing the first test :P
Marchete: yeah, I even do more
Marchete: CGZero was like 2000+ lines without testing
Marchete: or more
jrke: i thought the same but not that 500 mine was 300-400
Marchete: 4 loses, 3 crashes
Marchete: I mean
Marchete: 3 out of 4 losses are crashes
MSmits: i wonder if these losses are would-be wins or not
MSmits: when i beat you on the lb it's not a crash
MSmits: oh right, those are heuristic
MSmits: again with the sacrifice losses :P
Marchete: I see
Marchete: I'm heuristic
Marchete: you can get the bot ID
MSmits: good heuristics
Marchete: and retry as much as you want
MSmits: do you mean deterministic?
Marchete: that
MSmits: I kinda want a general solution, not a anti-marchete solution :)
MSmits: but gj man
MSmits: with a crashy bot now clear 3rd
jrke: i am not sure how remi's bot is below me
MSmits: because of Marchete
MSmits: Marchete makes everything about score solving and remi cant do that very well
MSmits: because he sacrifices a ton of boxes
jrke: so its like record- `whenever MS steals 1st rank in D&B another person comes to steal that`
MSmits: I still don't understand how you determine when to sacrifice a box heuristically Marchete
MSmits: are you keeping this a secret?
MSmits: because maybe it works well
MSmits: jrke yes :)
MSmits: oh lol. We play the same game over and over Marchete
Marchete: I'm removing the fixed rng
Marchete: jrk_e keeps winning me now no matter the rng :S
MSmits: as i said, good score solver :)
Marchete: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Marchete: but I was able to win him before
Marchete: I think he counters my counts
MSmits: what counts?
MSmits: you mean loopyness?
Marchete: yes
MSmits: well it should not matter
MSmits: he doesnt use nim
MSmits: so loopyness doesnt hurt him
MSmits: he just solves score like you
MSmits: I'm thinking of making a clean bot, take all the nim stuff out, force loopy and just solve asap
Marchete: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/multi-dots-and-boxes/Marchete
Marchete: :D
MSmits: yeah
Marchete: nim peasants
MSmits: it's funny that nim turns out to be useless
Astrobytes: "nim peasants" :D
Marchete: well, not against the 99.99% of other players
Marchete: I mean you did 100% vs everyone else
MSmits: they dont sacrifice boxes
MSmits: thats all
MSmits: it's an extreme form of RPS
Marchete: sacrifices backfire
Marchete: and you know it
Marchete: so it's a hard balance
MSmits: sacrifice + nim > simple score solver bot
Marchete: it seems I got destroyed by jrk_e right now
MSmits: sacrifice + nim < score solver bot + loopy
Marchete: no crashing but all losses
MSmits: you could push him to `1
MSmits: that'd be cool
MSmits: do it, make a screenshot and imgur it for him
Marchete: it's an idea
Marchete: a bad one, but an idea
MSmits: I like it :P
Astrobytes: So cruel
Marchete: gotta go
MSmits: ttyl, i'll try to make that other bot in the mean time
Astrobytes: Stupid IDE play limit :rage:
KiwiTae: ><
Illedan: :fire:
derjack: what do you play so frequently
Astrobytes: It varies
Astrobytes: Today, the Soggy Challenge
derjack: hm?
Astrobytes: The Sogeti contest
derjack: the FB one?
Astrobytes: aye
eulerscheZahl: any changes to fantastic bits?
Marchete: how's the sogeti contest?
RoboStac: only one spell and it's slightly modified
eulerscheZahl: what is the spell? (i didn't register so i can't see the statement)
eulerscheZahl: i guess i could watch replays
Astrobytes: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/b1704d58-af40-4a42-924c-fa22d71f0707
KiwiTae: wingardium they called it
phKvothe: WINGARDIUM id x y magic
derjack: wingardium
RoboStac: probably aren't a lot of replays with it in yet, I think most people have just submitted fb bots with magic disabled
KiwiTae: top players use it already
Marchete: is recurs_e playing?
eulerscheZahl: astro is using it
KiwiTae: only 20 people in the leaderboard so fae
eulerscheZahl: reCurs e can't win according to the rules
Marchete: or pb_4
Marchete: to not even trying
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/hackathon/sogeti-codefest-2021/leaderboard/global
eulerscheZahl: i think i'll pass on this one
eulerscheZahl: most of the very few contestants so far are CG regulars. probably not what organizers were hoping fro
eulerscheZahl: for*
Astrobytes: Maybe this will finally encourage me to write a sim for FB
derjack: or sim for twitter
eulerscheZahl: the private referee discouraged me
struct: i probably wont join
Marchete: private referee?
eulerscheZahl: now we have the Magu s contest bot (minus the eval part)
would that be considered cheating? :thinking:
struct: Im gonna try to improve breakthrough
MSmits: it's a bit silly, because the people from outside dont know they can just take the FB referee
RoboStac: there isn't a public fb referee
Astrobytes: magus bot?
eulerscheZahl: GitC was the first contest where CG published referees
struct: Marchete https://github.com/SpiritusSancti5/codinGame/blob/master/Referees/Fantastic%20Bits/Referee.java
MSmits: there ya go
eulerscheZahl: struct was faster
eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/dreignier/fantastic-bits/blob/master/fantastic-bits.cpp
MSmits: so that's unfair
Marchete: anyways my bot was an evolved magu_s
MSmits: to people outside, apart from the fact that there are some strong bots premade already
MSmits: like a magus-mutant
Astrobytes: oh, never spotted that before
MSmits: x-magus
MSmits: oops pinged :P
Astrobytes: I did too :(
MSmits: I did two
eulerscheZahl: an original game costs time => money to make. I suppose sogeti didn't want to pay for that
MSmits: yeah i wonder if they had the option to
eulerscheZahl: and it's still good enough as it is to find potential applicants - that's probably the main objective
MSmits: ye
eulerscheZahl: not to find the most skilled coder and give them a laptop
Marchete: everybody has a price
Marchete: I code for food, with extra steps
struct: should have been breakthrough
struct: :(
struct: at least my bot is a bit better
Marchete: I was 3rd at FB
Marchete: well FB multi ofc
Astrobytes: struct you were 5th in breakthrough right? I thought you were "done" :smirk:
struct: submit the bot without spells Marchete
struct: Im done with eval
struct: Im gonna try other stuff
struct: I wont submit for a while probably
MSmits: what happened to 2 more days
struct: I dont know what else to play
MSmits: plenty of choice :)
struct: i could finish the nn book
struct: yeah but Im still missing one thing on breakthrough
struct: That I want to do
eulerscheZahl: "should have been breakthrough"
thibaud once mentioned something like CG not wanting to make money out of community contributions
eulerscheZahl: there was a mean max variation has a contest once. but apart from that i think all their semi-private contests are based on official CG games (or completely unique)
struct: I see
eulerscheZahl: the mean max contest btw: https://www.codingame.com/leaderboards/contests/onepoint/global
struct: these contests feel empty imo
struct: The previous one was not bad though
eulerscheZahl: codebusters?
struct: the single pod csb
eulerscheZahl: ah right
struct: with no rotation restrictions
eulerscheZahl: fan francisco 2442
eulerscheZahl: san*
Jeddrick: Hi im new to coding coding is kinda difficult i thought it would be easy but yeah!
derjack: hm?
AsteelPoro: Hey, does someone have a link to learn theory behind the potw
AsteelPoro: ?
eulerscheZahl: what's the current puzzle of the week?
eulerscheZahl: found it, https://www.codingame.com/training/hard/map-colorations
JFB: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/clobber?
eulerscheZahl: that's so last-week JFB
Astrobytes: :D
JFB: ops
eulerscheZahl: i haven't done it. but i think i would bruteforce it (possibly combined with dynamic programming)
eulerscheZahl: also assign colors in a certain order (e.g. first region is always color 0)
eulerscheZahl: then count permutations of colors with math
MSmits: sounds like the samegame trick
MSmits: to hardcode the recoloured problems
eulerscheZahl: do you think that comment will help AsteelPoro? ;)
AsteelPoro: Yeah, i'll search some example of algorithm to learn how to make it optimized enoug
AsteelPoro: thanks for the answer
AsteelPoro: First, I was thinking about using deletion-contraction but i'm not really sure about this
eulerscheZahl: there is 1 value in the constraints that i'm missing: how many different regions can there me?
eulerscheZahl: be*
AsteelPoro: Max is less than 15
AsteelPoro: but it can be asked to use 1000 colors
eulerscheZahl: say you have 3 regions A,B,C
eulerscheZahl: B is connected to both A and C
eulerscheZahl: while A and C are not connected
eulerscheZahl: A=>0
B=>1
c=>[0,2]
eulerscheZahl: these are your color assignments
eulerscheZahl: so you have {0,1,0} and {0,1,2} as "base assignments"
eulerscheZahl: when you want to extend it to 10 colors, you go through those base assignments
eulerscheZahl: and substitute the colors
eulerscheZahl: 0 can actually be {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}
eulerscheZahl: 1 can be anything but your substitute for 0
eulerscheZahl: that's where combinatorics comes into play. you can count them with some multiplications, you don't have to enumerate all of them
eulerscheZahl: look up "factorial" if you don't know it already
AsteelPoro: i know about this
eulerscheZahl: great
eulerscheZahl: so with some early pruning of invalid base assignments this should be fairly easy
AsteelPoro: thanks for the explanation, the point blocking me is when for example i have two values that can be the same but with your explanation i start to understand
AsteelPoro: in your example, A should also be [0,2] right ?
eulerscheZahl: no
eulerscheZahl: if you make A=2,B=1,C=0, it's a re-coloring of A=0,B=1,C=2
AsteelPoro: yeah i thought about this after saying it
jacek: :duck:
MSmits: I use this channel for rubber ducking a lot. People don't even need to reply. I just ramble on until I see the solution
MSmits: I could just open a irc channel and have a second account called rubber_duck and do it there
Marchete: irc channel?
MSmits: yeah for nostalgia reason
ShakeDatBunda: hey guys
ShakeDatBunda: I have a question
ShakeDatBunda: how do i get 'Coding Speed' - Legend
ShakeDatBunda: in clash of code
ShakeDatBunda: like do i have to win a certain number of fastest modes?
ShakeDatBunda: or do I have to reduce my average time in all game modes or whaat>
BlaiseEbuth: You have to complete the clash branch of the quest map
ShakeDatBunda: ohhhh
ShakeDatBunda: thx
BlaiseEbuth: Each 'certification' correspond to one of the questmap branch
RainbowBanana: hi
TobiasA: hoi
oshock: Are you limited to a single file for the competition?
ThomC99: yes
oshock: ugh
ThomC99: don't worry
ThomC99: you can use multiple file on your computer and use tools to merge them
ThomC99: and sync with CG extension
oshock: I think I will just make my classes without public, private, or protected and they should be able to fit in one file (I am using java right now). The file is just going to be ugly lol.
valentino.sm: puzzle of week is breaking my head
MiyamuraIzumi: Hi all
FalINTOblivion0112: wait are you guys talking about fall challenge 2021
Astrobytes: No.
Astrobytes: https://www.codingame.com/hackathon/sogeti-codefest-2021
AllYourTrees: oh wait thats now?
Astrobytes: yeah
Astrobytes: FB with 1 spell (a new spell)
MSmits: it's a company sponsored contest so they don't separately advertise fo rit
MSmits: the advertising is done by the company
FalINTOblivion0112: ohhh i see
jrke: how you discover those contest astro?
AllYourTrees: ahh i had no idea about that wow
Astrobytes: I didn't, can't remember who did
AllYourTrees: what is FB?
Astrobytes: Fantastic Bits
AllYourTrees: :scream:
AllYourTrees: is FB fun?
AllYourTrees: i know its probably subjective, just want to hear thoughts
Astrobytes: Yeah, really good game imo
FalINTOblivion0112: i cant join because im in canada
FalINTOblivion0112: f in the chat
Astrobytes: F
AllYourTrees: F
Astrobytes: Change your location ;)
FalINTOblivion0112: oh okay i can do that
FalINTOblivion0112: is it hard?
Astrobytes: That's subjective.
FalINTOblivion0112: im ai gold level
Astrobytes: It's a physics game
FalINTOblivion0112: oh
FalINTOblivion0112: wow thats gonna be fun
FalINTOblivion0112: physics is my favorite
Astrobytes: Go for it :)
AllYourTrees: :scream:
jrke: oh so my FB heuristic without any magic is running 11th
Astrobytes: that's a legend bot though isn't it?
jrke: yeah
FalINTOblivion0112: ahhh its a quiddich game
MiyamuraIzumi: I can't selece my country when register on sogeti2021
FalINTOblivion0112: thats funzo
jrke: but simple if else with few maths
MiyamuraIzumi: does this mean I can't play in sogeti contest?
Astrobytes: Yeah I only have if-else and some vector maths
struct: meanwhile i have 2k lines :(
TobiasA: what is sogeti
TobiasA: i can't find it
jrke: struct thats why you have better rank also
MiyamuraIzumi: https://www.codingame.com/hackathon/sogeti-codefest-2021
struct: maybe if I change to random search it will do better
Astrobytes: what is it?
Astrobytes: currently I mean
struct: mine is smitsimax failed implementation
struct: That i tried on fb
Astrobytes: ah ok
struct: it got around bottom gold
struct: But didnt use spells
jrke: make it smitsimax success implementation
FalINTOblivion0112: i cant code anything lol
struct: My sim is terrible
struct: I cant use this
FalINTOblivion0112: i barely know how to make a moving bot lol
FalINTOblivion0112: sometimes i get lucky and do things good like ultimate tic tac toe
jrke: oh so WINGARDIUM is both accio and flipendo
jrke: https://www.codingame.com/replay/572322356
jrke: lol
jrke: last snaffle
jrke: a random win
struct: still not sure if ill play the game
struct: If portugal was allowed i would try
BlaiseEbuth: I'm just starting...
IlyasDirham: who ever sees this add me as a friend il add back
BlaiseEbuth: :see_no_evil:
IlyasDirham: :eyes:
Wontonimo: :door: :runner:
reCurse: No
BlaiseEbuth: .
jacek: :upside_down:
BlaiseEbuth: (╯°□°)╯︵ :)
Illedan: reCurse, how much for that FB bot you have? :D
dbdr: 1 laptop
struct: his bot was like top 5 wtihout spells
struct: in fb
Illedan: dbdr, snake postponed 1 week. Gotta do this Contest thingy first. Unless someone else wanna fix UI :P
dbdr: ok
reCurse: Surprise me
Illedan: I'll give you my Onboarding code
reCurse: Was hoping for a positive surprise
Illedan: Mean Max code? :P
Illedan: Is that code NN?
reCurse: NNo
Marchete: pawn stars
Illedan: Hmm, so it is beatable
Marchete: the best I can do is tree fiddy
struct: beatable with a NN
reCurse: Hmpf
struct: vs 2022 going to have native wsl 2 toolset for c++ :D
reCurse: Yeah 2022 is pretty good atm
reCurse: Using it
reCurse: Time bank management is puzzling me
struct: for chess right?
reCurse: Yeah though it's an open question in general
struct: yeah, i have no idea how engines handle it tbh
struct: have you checked how sf does it?
reCurse: I'm not sure how helpful a minimax time management would be
jacek: you do this for yourself or cg
reCurse: For myself
reCurse: Well maybe I'll post the engine on CCRL at some point if it's good enough
reCurse: Right now I run a local arena with the few chess engines that still exist for download and seem to behave properly with 1sec/move
reCurse: But eventually time control will become something to address
jacek: afair a0 (or its clones?) used simple 5% of remaining time for turn
reCurse: That offends me
jacek: hm?
reCurse: Disgusting :P
reCurse: Guess I'll need a mcts-vis after all
jacek: few years ago you wouldnt dare to use mcts for chess ~
reCurse: Probably why it blundered mate in 5 in a totally winning position eh
Illedan: Anyone did NN for FB? I wonder how you would handle 5 vs 7 snaffles :thinking:
Like one hot encoding, just with floating positions?
reCurse: The same way you'd handle a scored snaffle
reCurse: Also I have good reasons to believe FB is a poor fit for NN
reCurse: But take that as you will
Illedan: Yeah, but in 5 snaffle games you only need to control 3 snaffles to win, instead of 4
reCurse: Take into consideration current score and snaffles left and it's the exact same problem
reCurse: Or if you prefer this wording, a 5 snaffle game is identical to a 7 snaffle game with 1-1 score
Illedan: Oh, true. Thx!
Illedan: :)
reCurse: I need more cores...
Illedan: Why do you think it is bad for FB btw?
reCurse: Spells create a *LOT* of instability
Illedan: This contest is far simpler
reCurse: No idea didn't check
Illedan: Only 1 spell
reCurse: You only need 2 spells for instability
reCurse: Or either one of them is already too much actually
struct: spells are instant though
reCurse: ?
struct: not sure if that changes anything
struct: The spell doesnt have travel time like flipendo/accio
struct: or just flipendo had I think
Illedan: Yeah, the one spell is instant force towards a given target. Nothing else
Illedan: Makes it far simpler
reCurse: Ok maybe
Illedan: But Jeff is without spells and 1st. So I'll try without spells
reCurse: Anyway I didn't say bad it's just a poor fit in the sense you'll need even more work than usual to make it work IMO
martinpapa69: Ill give a try to make an NN FB bot. not sure if i can make it in time
Marchete: it seems complicated
Marchete: and in that timeframe...
reCurse: If you don't already have a base for that kind of game I'd say forget it unless you don't mind not finishing in time
reCurse: Even with my current base I wouldn't attempt it
Illedan: I have some ideas, which I can use for FB afterwards. So time is not to much of a problem
martinpapa69: idc honestly. I do it for fun, maybe ill make a CSB bot instead, much simpler
reCurse: SR is simplest for physics
martinpapa69: sr?
struct: search racer
Illedan: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/optimization/search-race
struct: I see that DomiKo got rank 27 on csb with his NN
reCurse: CSB blocker a massive difficulty wall
jacek: you could say its NN blocker eh
AllYourTrees: N E U R A L N E T W O R T H
AllYourTrees: so i was looking into buying a new personal laptop, just for some programming stuff, nothing fancy. but the ship date said end of september. think i should order it and just wait for 3 months, or just hold off?
martinpapa69: SR is single player. I already have single player NN for CSB(double runner). I want to try a multiplayer now. but ye blocker is a problem
struct: AllYourTrees there is always new stuff coming out
struct: next intel cpus release on december iirc
struct: not sure if you want to wait 6 months
AllYourTrees: nah, its so i don't have to use my work laptop to program in my free time. trying to improve work/life split
jacek: if i waited for the new stuff, id still be using 6 years old pc now
AllYourTrees: i also don't need the fanciest fastest stuff
reCurse: Just win the contest
Mr.WhiskeyPerson: Is it important in FB to try movements with less than 150 thrust?
martinpapa69: you'll be fine with constant 150 thrust
reCurse: Casual queen sac :o
Illedan: And won?
reCurse: Yeah not even close
reCurse: I was surprised
reCurse: Confident the whole way
Illedan: Got some gifs to show it play?
Illedan: :D
jacek: queen got in the way anyway
Astrobytes: was just gonna ask for that
jacek: slowpoke
reCurse: No idea how to gif a chess game
Illedan: You have no visualizer?
reCurse: Sure I use cute chess
jacek: no pgn?
struct: https://www.chess.com/gifs
reCurse: Yeah I need to find the pgn
struct: not sure if it works I never used it
Astrobytes: didn't know that existed struct
reCurse: Hmm lc0 seems to think the queen sac was a bad idea
struct: neither did I
struct: there seems to be quite some sites that do this
reCurse: I only have a partial PGN I copied to clipboard before game end because I forgot to run this tournament without auto-pgn >:(
reCurse: Anyway
jacek: for chess you can at least consult it with best engines
reCurse: Yeah it's a plus but it's not great
reCurse: Because they tend to view the slightest mistake as a catastrophe
Astrobytes: trying to play more human-like?
reCurse: No that's another project for later
reCurse: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/bb3035d5-cdbf-47c4-995d-f6bfb9e6a7f9
reCurse: Mine is black
Astrobytes: That's a real deep rabbithole I think :)
reCurse: I needed something to fill the void left by CG
jacek: and white is?
reCurse: Some random engine it's currently around 50% winrate against
blasterpoard: can you post the bit of pgn that you have? lichess study would be a better way to share the game
reCurse: Sure
reCurse: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/4547c4fa-4d20-4d12-aaf7-8ec31cfea88f
reCurse: This project is a lot of fun, been watching 1 sec chess for hours now
blasterpoard: https://lichess.org/study/C8xBpoXM/ajJHmr1E view the game here
reCurse: Thanks
jacek: :tada: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/572361216
jacek: not chess but close
Astrobytes: lol that was a mad game
blasterpoard: reCurse if you want me to delete it after some time, let me know
reCurse: Yeah please
blasterpoard: k, I'll delete it in an hour in case anyone is still viewing it
Astrobytes: White really tried to hang in there huh
Astrobytes: Nice job man
Illedan: Nice game yeah
struct: oh no jacek
struct: please dont submit
struct: i just got rank 5 yesterday :(
struct: too late
jacek: welp, be faster
struct: how much stronger was this version jacek?
jacek: 56% winrate against old
jacek: the same nn size and hyperparameters but trained differently
jacek: but i think there is more room to improve for this capacity
MoosDruide13: Ducks are cool animals : )
zacdave: lol
Plantchant: Foxes are pretty cool too
NicolasAlmerge: Hello
Astrobytes: Is it me you're looking for?
xxd: i can see it in your eyes
xxd: i'm not doing so hot in CoC today :|
Astrobytes: I can see it in your smile :P
xxd: are you somewhere feeling lonely
xxd: wait i messed that up
Astrobytes: Yup
xxd: sorry ;-;
Astrobytes: See, failing clashes and failing chat songs
Astrobytes: It's a sign
xxd: such is my life
Astrobytes: hehehe
Astrobytes: screen break time
xxd: you know what, you're completely right
xxd: after this clash :P
Astrobytes: lol
**BlaiseEbuth explode Astrobytes screen with a war hammer.
xxd: woah is this chat IRC
**Astrobytes smacks BeelzEbuth with a wet salmon
BlaiseEbuth: :kissing_closed_eyes:
Astrobytes: xxd: Close, XMPP
Hydrazer: h
benubbles: Hello World!
Prince_SP: hi
Prince_SP: im beginner cdgame
Prince_SP: im rank 1 in bronze league
Prince_SP: how to promote from bronze to silver?
FalINTOblivion0112: good question\
FalINTOblivion0112: even people like me don't know
Prince_SP: Coders of the Caribbean
Bronze League
, sort of compete
Gameonn: https://medium.com/@jindal.ankit89/just-9-tasks-per-day-can-change-your-life-forever-1bbceb220d91
xxd: bruh
Hydrazer: wow!
AJamal31: Hi folks, first day on this site
AJamal31: Just unlocked this chat
AJamal31: How do I see my rank?
Hydrazer: in what
AJamal31: My overall rank
xxd: profile i think
AJamal31: There's nothing there
AJamal31: It's my first day, maybe it takes a while to update?
xxd: odd
xxd: yeah possibly
AJamal31: How long have you been on this site?
Maxim251: Hello, Do someone was playing Custom Game of Life? in codingame? Because I dont understand some rules.
Maxim251: Second line: 9 not space separated binary integers, the condition of surviving of a living cell (0: dies, 1: stays alive).
Third line: 9 not space separated binary integers, the condition of birth of a dead cell (0: stays dead, 1: birth).
Maxim251: 000100000
001100000
Maxim251: and how de heck I can interprate that binary rooles?
Maxim251: 9 bits means 9 turns? or what?
Enknable: Fantastic Bits 2.0?
Maxim251: no
Maxim251: Custom Game of Life
Maxim251: Fantastic Bits 2.0 oww, nice game, later I will tray play with this one.
Maxim251: anybody knows how to interpret that rules
JudgeAL: should I raid BotezLive with 1 viewer?
JudgeAL: oh rip nvm I have 0 viewers now :(
JudgeAL: will anyone join my stream to raid
AJamal31: what's the difference between the leaderboard and ranking?
BlaiseEbuth: In which context?
raiz_rizon: hi
