punter147: welcome to codingame! a platform where games meet programming. Somewhere in the intersection lie the moderators and the experts whom you can approach here. They are very helpful!
jacek: moderators... very helpful... :grin:
bin-muslim: peace be upon you brothers
bin-muslim: should i start
KiwiTae: o/
SuryaTheOP: hloo
SuryaTheOP: can any one help me in chuck Norris
SuryaTheOP: i passed all test cases expect last
SuryaTheOP: i don't know what happening in last case
juice0: the one that wants you to output 0's?
SuryaTheOP: yes
juice0: let's see, what is happening? one sec
SuryaTheOP: okay
sprkrd: give him one sec, he's hacking into your account to check your code
SuryaTheOP: :joy:
juice0: hey shh
sprkrd: :upside_down:
SuryaTheOP: accidently i closed your chat. please send me your msg again @juice0
juice0: oh i just wanted you to send me your output for that test case
juice0: i can't see immediately what would be tripping you up if you got 1-3 right
SuryaTheOP: i still don't get it
Prakul2006: hello :)
c0nc4c: the medium puzzle is so hard
derjack: medium puzzle?
derjack: the one with chess?
c0nc4c: the there is no spoon one
derjack: oh
JorBer: its not too hard
woful: w*men🤮
derjack: oO
woful: fr*nch:zzz:
JorBer: the troll is back
altayayayay: :grimacing:
derjack: which troll
JorBer: woful
woful: ye?
woful: aahh sorry mate, finger must have slipped whilst writing code
altayayayay: happens to the best of us...
woful: agreed...
JorBer: such a nice friendly profile
altayayayay: i just realised that. wtf
JorBer: he changed it now
woful: yo
woful: wtf
woful: my finger slipped
derjack: oh my did _Royale join the NN train in oware? :scream:
Marchete: http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html
Marchete: I always lose :S
Astrobytes: It would appear so judging by his score
Astrobytes: 1-0 to me Marchete. Try closing your eyes :D
Astrobytes: damn, 5-4 to machine
derjack: you act so deterministically
Astrobytes: Oddly enough :P
struct: hi
Astrobytes: hey struct
Astrobytes: Old John also submitting in Oware
derjack: but its uNNlikely
derjack: struct made any breakthrough in your bt bot?
struct: so its 7 NNs in top 10?
struct: dont think so derjack
struct: I was reading a paper about tablebases for breakthrough
Astrobytes: yeah 7 I think
struct: and in 8x8 breakthrough tablebases seem to make the bot wors
struct: worse*
derjack: oh really
struct: They were using row tablebases
struct: yes
derjack: would they be too big?
struct: yes
struct: Because they were doing row tablebases
struct: not pieces
derjack: i just have some ifs for endgames
struct: yeah I still need to figure end games
struct: its easy has a human to solve most of them
TipuTare: hey guys
derjack: good afernoon
TipuTare: guys
TipuTare: how do i use the datetime function in the datetime module
TipuTare: https://docs.python.org/3/library/datetime.html
KiwiTae: TipuTare the link you shared is telling you how to use it, read it ~
QuickMathzs: :joy:
ChickenCoder123: hallo guys
InternalErrror: Also @TipuTare: https://www.nohello.com/
sprkrd: @InternalErrror Come on, don't be harsh on the guy, this is not a technical support chat :joy:
sprkrd: Then you should probably tell struct off because he just said hi without any immediate question
sprkrd: I think it's ok to come in and just say hi, who knows, maybe someone was looking for you ;)
ChickenCoder123: lmao sorry guys
Wontonimo: hi :wave:
**Wontonimo hides behind desk dodging sprkrd
**Wontonimo and InternalErrror
KiwiTae: o/
sprkrd: why dodging me? D:
sprkrd: I was the one supporting the friendly "hi"
sprkrd: I think I've been misunderstood :(
**sprkrd goes to cry in the corner
Wontonimo: :taco: of friendship
sprkrd: :relieved:
Wontonimo: yeah, I tried to be witty before fully reading your msg
Wontonimo: are you working on any multis sprk?
sprkrd: not right now, no, I'm just procrastinating a little bit while I should be doing the real-life work
sprkrd: I'm already happy enough with my C4 bot and I don't think I want to push it further for the moment
sprkrd: I don't think I have the dedication of the top 6 runners to invest more time on that and match their gigantic number of rollouts
sprkrd: what about you, Wontonimo?
Wontonimo: Nothing. Jumping on the NN wagon is on my list. The last multi I worked on was just to play with Tron using flood fill.
Wontonimo: the NN wagon seems like a nice change from just applying MCTS to everything
RoboStac: it's just applying mcts to everything with some extra heat output though
sprkrd: well... depending on what type of RL you do, you'll be doing MCTS also with NNs
sprkrd: unless you use actor critic and parameterize the policy directly, without any look-ahead at all
Wontonimo: yeah, for sure. But there are not twists to it
Wontonimo: *new twists
sprkrd: RoboStac When you do you NN stuff, do go by the alphazero route or the alphastar route?
RoboStac: alphazero
sprkrd: hmph
Wontonimo: what's the salient difference?
Jaw_7227: https://binarysearch.com/room/Bits-N-Bytes-xkUOOpDHju
Jaw_7227: any one wanna join?
RoboStac: alphastar didn't have any sort of mcts, just a massive network that outputs moves
sprkrd: Wontonimo in alphastar they don't do any look-ahead
sprkrd: it's actor critic, the policy is encoded directly in its own function approximator
Wontonimo: that's a significant difference. Works for some things
sprkrd: i mean, if it works for starcraft, given enough computer resources it may as well work for anything else
sprkrd: however the amount of CPU/GPU hours that went into that shrinks my heart
struct: had no idea there was a builtin function to rotate a bitboard
Wontonimo: what function is that?
struct: __builtin_bswap64
Wontonimo: neato!
Wontonimo: that's actually really cool
sprkrd: I highly appreciate that random piece of information
sprkrd: I'm sure it'll come handy at some point
struct: Using the x86-64 _byteswap_uint64 or bswap64 intrinsics only takes one processor instruction in 64-bit mode.
struct: I might try it instead of having a if for each player
sprkrd: but, if I understand correctly the description, that doesn't rotate the bitboard, it reverses the order of the bytes... so it would be more like a flip?
struct: https://www.chessprogramming.org/index.php?title=Flipping_Mirroring_and_Rotating#FlipVertically
struct: Should do this
sprkrd: yup, flipping
sprkrd: is that what you want? or you want actual rotation?
struct: I think this is what I want
sprkrd: breakthrough?
struct: yes
sprkrd: you've had a breakthrough in your breakthrough
sprkrd: anyway, thanks, it's nice to know this
sprkrd: i feel so dirty using builtin compiler instructions tho
struct: why?
jacek: huh
sprkrd: platform dependant
sprkrd: and compiler dependant
sprkrd: i feel like I've given my dignity away just to squeeze every last drop of performance of a computer.
jacek: dont we all
struct: not really
struct: never felt like that
Wontonimo: what? no no, don't feel like that sprk!
Wontonimo: that's what high performance computing is all about, programming to the hardward
sprkrd: guys, chill, I don't need therapy, I was just kidding :joy:
sprkrd: You're all so serious
sprkrd: jacek is the only one who understands me :)
Wontonimo: i've lost my sense of humour
Wontonimo: i haven't even told a good dad joke at home for a week
sprkrd: I was referencing the fact that, by making your code so platform-specific for the sake of performance, you give readability away and are more in touch with the machine than with your own human nature
sprkrd: but that being said, I'm a sucker for bit tricks :D
struct: too deep for me
sprkrd: Wontonimo never too late, you can start today ^^
Wontonimo: I thought you were going to say something along the lines of
"are any dad jokes good?"
Saint_Rose: The comeback is always greater than the setback.
Keep on Coding guys.
struct: its time to scratch my code and start again I guess
struct: im back in the rewriting loop :(
sprkrd: Wontonimo I'm a big fan of dad jokes myself
Wontonimo: wow struct, you have more motivation than I do
sprkrd: he is motivated by revenge
struct: I did not had much code anyways
Saint_Rose: I have a vengeance to prove all those who doubted me wrong.
Saint_Rose: To become the best coder i can be.
struct: o.o
Saint_Rose: We should all be the best coders we can be.
jacek: oh my
SpacePrez: the discussion UI on this site is pretty hard to use
Astrobytes: Wontonimo: How can you tell if you're a Deadhead? - You studied 5 days for a drug test :P
Wontonimo: nice!
Wontonimo: I've heard a variant of that
"yo mama so dumb she practice for her drug test by doing all the drugs"
SpacePrez: how do you post a message on a discussion? I have no submit button
Astrobytes: Yeah, I've heard a few, just heard that one yesterday
SpacePrez: pressing enter just adds a newline
Wontonimo: i remember having a boomer moment looking for the submit button also SpacePrez. It's there
Astrobytes: Underneath
sprkrd: SpacePrez yes, it's a known bug
sprkrd: It happens to me sometimes in Firefox
SpacePrez: how do I get underneath?
sprkrd: you cannot see the reply buttons
SpacePrez: I can click to reply and it opens a window to type a response
SpacePrez: but I cannot submit the response
sprkrd: well, yeah, the *submit button, if you will
SpacePrez: no I cannot see any submit button
Astrobytes: Any extensions running?
SpacePrez: adblock is paused on this site
sprkrd: I... I'm telling you exactly that, you cannot see the submit button, is a known bug
SpacePrez: I already know that, I just said it lol. Just say 'its a bug'.
Astrobytes: Never happened to me even once
SpacePrez: yeah well javascript isn't the most stable :P
sprkrd: I don't know if there's some shortcut to submit your reply
sprkrd: maybe ctrl+enter or something like that
bosniancode: there is something worse than an invisible submit button
sprkrd: Astrobytes it's in the discord, in the bugs&feedback channel (I myself submitted an screenshot)
Astrobytes: I see it, gotcha. 'Sometimes', how exceedingly annoying!
sprkrd: https://discord.com/channels/466965651135922206/699972160688488468/856567875372580934
struct: save the servers
sprkrd: SpacePrez try key combinations like ctrl+enter, shift+enter and whatnot, if that doesn't work you can either fiddle with the web inspector or you can try to restart the browser, erase the cache, the usual stuff
SpacePrez: thanks
sprkrd: I think I reported this same error years ago
Astrobytes: Pray, cross your fingers, toss a coin, rub a lamp, that kinda stuff :D
sprkrd: So I wouldn't count on it being fixed anytime soon. Probably it's hard to reproduce
Astrobytes: Yeah. 'sometimes' bugs are the worst.
sprkrd: Astrobytes I'll add the "rub a lamp" to my repertoire, that one was missing
Astrobytes: Low priority because it doesn't happen to everyone, hard to fix because hard to reproduce etc
Astrobytes: lol sprkrd
sprkrd: SpacePrez While you're at it, could you tell us if ctrl + enter works? I don't want to post a message just to try it
sprkrd: Oh well, I guess I can post it and delete it just after
sprkrd: For the general interest of the audience gathered here, yes, Ctrl+Enter works. Should more clicky methods be out of reach, know that the ways of the keyboard provide us with an alternative
sprkrd: Also, I've just posted a "sup my boys" to a random forum thread
SpacePrez: sorry I already started a clash
Astrobytes: Nice one sprkrd, useful info
SpacePrez: yes ctrl+enter works for me (but no indication, some text or a button would be nice!)
sprkrd: May the gods listen to your prayers
TipuTare: hey
TipuTare: can someone help me with a code?
TipuTare: nvm
TipuTare: actually can someone help me with it?
TipuTare: pls
struct: whats the problem?
sprkrd: A tip for efficiency: it's just better if you throw your question in the chat in the first place
SpacePrez: >Now, the teacher gives you x numbers n (x is odd)
Am I the only one who thinks this is confusing language?
SpacePrez: why not just say N numbers?
SpacePrez: >Furthermore, he wants you to add the square of the middle number to the result.
SpacePrez: what is a middle number? the median?
SpacePrez: Some of these tests are great and some are really poorly worded.
riprobertmugabe: thats not confusing
riprobertmugabe: N is the number you receive, x is the amount of numbers you receive
drmlx: яя
InternalErrror: Me eagerly waiting to send another link ^-^ to @TipuTare
InternalErrror: Ok I can't resist https://dontasktoask.com/
ANONYMOUS42: I already answered their question in dms
Mobin_Atashi: i need a friend
Mobin_Atashi: who want plz send req to me
jacek: Oo
Wontonimo: well, at least you know what you want
Wontonimo: Sirlley is still at it
Wontonimo: still stuck in Wood 1 on CSB
Wontonimo: :wave: hey Sirlley , open your chat !
**Wontonimo sighs knowing it won't work
sprkrd: You should probably hack into their account and leave a message in the "about" section of their profile
Wontonimo: good call
sprkrd: jokes aside, I think you can "follow" them and then send them a private message
Wontonimo: I'm gonna try passwords for him.
What is "I am a noob" in Italian?
Wontonimo: :(
sprkrd: Io sonno noob, maybe?
Wontonimo: nope, he has to follow me
Wontonimo: for private to work
sprkrd: Sono*, with just 1 n
sprkrd: man, my Italian sucks
Wontonimo: way better than mine
Wontonimo: I bet your Italian is better than my Mandarin
sprkrd: If you speak french you can make a wild guess
sprkrd: for an italian sentence, i mean
sprkrd: Are you french-canadian?
Wontonimo: English. I'm supposed to know French, like all good Canadians
Wontonimo: but, it's very very shaky. Like probably a listening vocab of 2000 words and a working vocab of 200
sprkrd: well, I've been to quebec and montreal, and lots of people don't speak english there, so don't feel bad
sprkrd: for not knowing the two languages, i mean
Wontonimo: I wouldn't feel bad at all. Actually, it makes me happy to hear that they have the option to live and do well with just their native language
sprkrd: never been to toronto, tho
Wontonimo: oh, that's another language yet
Wontonimo: it's similar to English
sprkrd: :joy:
sprkrd: then you haven't been to quebec?
sprkrd: on holidays or something?
Wontonimo: I have. It is only a couple hours drive away. In the winter there is a really cool winter festival there
Wontonimo: that i've taken my kids to
Wontonimo: where they have ice slides, and ice hotels
Wontonimo: in the summer i've also gone and really enjoyed the restaurants and sights.
Wontonimo: and I practice my 200 words
sprkrd: i really liked the city, and there was one of the best restaurants I've been to in Canada. We order "moules" and they brought the entire bucket of moules, i wasn't expecting that at all
Wontonimo: What brought you over the Atlantic all the way to Quebec?
sprkrd: To Montreal originally, and then I stayed a little bit more for vacations and went also to Quebec
sprkrd: It was because of a conference
sprkrd: ICRA, maybe you've heard of it, if you're into robotics
sprkrd: I had to present a paper there
sprkrd: https://www.icra2019.org/
sprkrd: it was my very first time accross the atlantic. It was very nice :)
Wontonimo: def heard of IEEE. What paper did you present?
sprkrd: At first I had a little bit of a clash with the tip mechanism, because in Europe is entirely different. But I quickly learned how it was done
sprkrd: it was...
sprkrd: damn, i don't remember the title of my paper
sprkrd: it's long as hell
Wontonimo: hah
sprkrd: ah, here it is
sprkrd: Practical Resolution Methods for MDPs in Robotics Exemplified With Disassembly Planning
sprkrd: https://upcommons.upc.edu/bitstream/handle/2117/178895/2167-Practical-Resolution-Methods-for-MDPs-in-Robotics-Exemplified-with-Disassembly-Planning.pdf?sequence=1
Wontonimo: I was just about to ask for a link. Thanks
sprkrd: oh no, now you know my real name :O
Wontonimo: well, 1 of three anyway
sprkrd: I'm Carme Torras, let's go with that :V
Wontonimo: or, you could have presented it on behalf of one of the authors
Wontonimo: I'm throwing you a bone here
sprkrd: oh yeah, that one option was better
sprkrd: i should've gone with that
King_Coda: KalamariKing ping
King_Coda: KalamariPing
Counterbalance: nice nr of tweets, sprkrd :grin:
Pythonista_TN: hello world :grin:
MACKEYTH: You have earned the achievement "first program"!
BlaiseEbuth: :tada:
Wontonimo: (ノo_o)ノ彡 :tada:
BlaiseEbuth: (╯°□°)╯︵ oɯıuoʇuoM
Wontonimo: (ノಠ_ಠ)ノ彡︵ oɯıuoʇuoM︵ Wontonimo
Wontonimo: I can't throw confetti if I'm upside down!
VicPitic: hahahhahahahahah
BlaiseEbuth: Wont ︵ \(°□°)/ ︵ oɯıuo
Wontonimo: I feel so broken
Wontonimo: as if some alien exploded from my torso
Wontonimo: Ripley save me!
KiwiTae: BlaiseEbuth o/
KiwiTae: Wontonimo turning 30 soon? :p
Wontonimo: nope, more like 50.
Astrobytes: I wish I was turning 30 again, or 20
Astrobytes: Althoughhhhh, if I choose to live my life in age segments I can be whatever age I choose
Astrobytes: Just not on paper
KiwiTae: because he is lvl 29 ah
KiwiTae: Astrobytes o/ working on something sweet?
Astrobytes: Meh. Age thing is better :D
Wontonimo: oh, i get it now KiwiTae, you mean my lvl
Astrobytes: Resurrecting my Tron bot and being distracted by music KiwiTae
Wontonimo: i'm so clueless
Astrobytes: So am I evidently, just roll with it :sunglasses:
Wontonimo: maybe i shouldn't try and work and be on CG chat at the same time.
KiwiTae: have u met my bot yet? wait for a push hehe
Astrobytes: Still in silver, doing a rewrite :)
Wontonimo: mine is in silver. only did a flood fill so far. no look ahead
Astrobytes: Gonna hopefully work my way through the official CG games so I can just concentrate on community board games etc :P
jacek: way through like breakthrough
Astrobytes: I'm coming back to that soon, with TTs and lookups!
Wontonimo: TTs?
jacek: and hookers
Astrobytes: (blackjack and hookers)
Astrobytes: Transposition tables
Astrobytes: it's an alphabeta bot
Wontonimo: I prefer hookahs
Astrobytes: heh heh heh
Wontonimo: but I prefer to call it a shisha so it sounds fancy
Astrobytes: admittedly depending where you are and what you smoke through it, could be called either
Counterbalance: check this (from the halite discord) - nice idea for an optimisation game maybe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssZ_8cqfBlE
Voudrais: hey guys
Astrobytes: Hm, bin packing but with added extras
Astrobytes: Hi Voudrais
MSmits: damnit, my colleague rickrolled me again
MSmits: and every one of his students
Wontonimo: nice. i approve
jacek: did he also make dad jokes
MSmits: he made a video about some contest prize for his students and at the end there was this "important message"
Wontonimo: I like the link Counterbalance. I've been thinking of something kind of similiar
MSmits: pretty elaborate rickroll
MSmits: jacek he does that :P
MSmits: I just spent 2 days hunting a bug in my D&B solver... finally found it. It happened like 1 out of 200 times
Astrobytes: Very cool Counterbalance. It would make a nice optim yeah
MSmits: wow Counterbalance this video is awesome
MSmits: I am going to use this in class
Wontonimo: I like Tom Scott, but I also like this joke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-IEVMwBEfo
Wontonimo: "Basically A Tom Scott Video"
Astrobytes: LOL well played Wontonimo
jacek: rickroll eh
Wontonimo: no, i promise this time it isn't
Wontonimo: you can also find it by searching for "Basically A Tom Scott Video" on youtube
Wontonimo: if you are really scared of being rolled
jacek: riiight
**Wontonimo sigh, my links will never be trusted again ;(
Astrobytes: It's not a rickroll lol, it's a classic Tom Scott pisstake video
Astrobytes: Legit or you can ban me
jacek: :no_mouth:
MSmits: well i think it was good information about a field, I just think they should have said where it is to avoid going there. Or go there when I really have to go
Wontonimo: :thumbsup:
Astrobytes: :D
Wontonimo: Astrobytes, what are you gonna use for Tron?
Astrobytes: I was thinking an alphabeta on the nearest enemy
Astrobytes: MCTS might work too, EPT
Wontonimo: I was thinking beam using my flood full
Wontonimo: *fill
Astrobytes: Interesting idea
Wontonimo: let me double check that I didn't have anything more than just floodfill that would complicate things
jacek: tron? the voronoi thing?
Wontonimo: tron
Wontonimo: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/tron-battle
sprkrd: sup
Astrobytes: per's ready
Wontonimo: yeah, flood fill all trons at the same time. Use max extent of fill
Wontonimo: enjoy per's
Astrobytes: I was following on from 'sup'
sprkrd: oh, then i'm afraid I don't follow
Wontonimo: no, you lead
Wontonimo: Astrobytes follows
sprkrd: my street jargon is not that advanced
Astrobytes: "supper's ready" just a statement
sprkrd: Wontonimo i iron
Astrobytes: (Also a great song from Foxtrot by Genesis - Peter Gabriel days)
Astrobytes: prog-tastic
sprkrd: oh, good to know, didn't know per stands for supper
sprkrd: :relieved:
Astrobytes: sup + per's ready
sprkrd: lately the chat's been very musical
Astrobytes: usually is if I'm around, apologies for that
sprkrd: no need to apologize :joy:
Astrobytes: I try to minimise the music talk but can't help it sometimes
sprkrd: this is not a technical support chat, it's ok to talk about other things , i believe :relieved:
Astrobytes: It is. Within reason ;)
sprkrd: of course, within reason. I guess porn is out of the picture
Astrobytes: Yes, lol
Wontonimo: does code gulf count as code porn?
sprkrd: code golf counts as the worst human behavior imaginable
Astrobytes: that's like bad pr0n
sprkrd: like, mengele's experiments type of stuff
Wontonimo: i think we need a change of topic
Astrobytes: code gulf or golf? There are gulfs in some of my code for sure
Astrobytes: I agree
Wontonimo: that was a weird typo... i wonder why i typed gulf ?
Wontonimo: brain, dude. it's wild
sprkrd: I think is a Freudian slip
Wontonimo: "Freudian slips", isn't that what women psychologist wear under there dresses
Wontonimo: a fashion and psychology joke in one
Astrobytes: It's gulf-∨ syndrome
Astrobytes: that one's a little bit subtle
Astrobytes: Wontonimo: jeeeeeeeez making up for the lack of dad jokes eh!
Wontonimo: you'd have to know about dresses
sprkrd: Astrobytes that one went way over my head
Astrobytes: Subtlety I was referring to Gulf-∨
Astrobytes: Gulf ∨ Golf (that's ¬'v')
sprkrd: what does a a long-range, large business jet aircraft produced by Gulfstream Aerospace have to do with anything? :thinking:
sprkrd: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulfstream_V)
Astrobytes: Think logically
Astrobytes: Gulf OR golf
Gulf-OR Syndrome
Gulf War Syndrome
Astrobytes: Too far out?
sprkrd: oh god, so I guess it has to do with how "or" and "war" sound alike, then?
Astrobytes: Pretty much
sprkrd: here i was manipulating the ascii representation of golf and gulf to see the connection
Astrobytes: The secret is not to overthink it in most problems ;)
sprkrd: applying de morgan's and everything
Astrobytes: no need to get that deep :D
Astrobytes: Anyway, just a bit of fun
sprkrd: pronunciation is not my strength :(
sprkrd: probably i pronounce "or" and "war" a bit like how you would read them in spanish
Astrobytes: ah, sorry. In Scotland 'or' is identical to the 'ar' in 'war'
sprkrd: well, maybe not that bad, but it's definitively no native's pronunciation :joy:
Astrobytes: or, war, nor, for etc
sprkrd: ah, scotland, i've yet to go there on holidays or something
sprkrd: to be honest, is one of the accents i hear the less in my surroundings
MACKEYTH: Those rhyme in US English, too
Astrobytes: Go to Edinburgh once to see the castle etc, do Stirling to see the castle and Wallace monument, then go highlands and western isles.
sprkrd: of course, Edinburgh was going to be my first stop :)
Astrobytes: And English-English I believe MACKEYTH but it varies with dialect
sprkrd: the more i think about it, the more clever I find the Gulf-v pun :thinking:
Astrobytes: lol, I'm quite well known irl for my puns
Astrobytes: Also sprkrd, do we call you Guillem or Alejandro? :P
sprkrd: Carme, please
MSmits: Gollem?
sprkrd: just kidding, name's Alejandro :)
MSmits: or Smèagol?
sprkrd: Guillem would be akin to William
MSmits: sry been on a hobbit spree
sprkrd: MSmits but now that you mention, probably I should write his name like that in the next paper to see if he notices
MSmits: lol
MSmits: that would be so funny
MSmits: especially if he doesn't and it gets accepted
Astrobytes: I knew it would be one of the two, papers vary with the order regarding presenting author
sprkrd: :relieved:
sprkrd: Now you now my real name, I feel fragile
MSmits: well you kinda know mine
Astrobytes: At first I thought since you presented in Canada it was a 'Guillaume' so you would be Alejandro, but then it's also available in other country flavours :D
Astrobytes: Michelle's Bits
sprkrd: MSmits I'll be real honest with you, for me it's impossible to read your name and not think "Mr. Smith"
MSmits: yep
MSmits: both of those are fine
Zenoscave: I always think ms. mits
sprkrd: and then scenes from The Matrix pop up
Astrobytes: sprkrd: My name is Chris Laing
MSmits: lol
Astrobytes: It's not a secret. You can find it on RAIC for a start
MSmits: laing? never heard that surname before
sprkrd: Astrobytes Guillem is actually a Catalan name (northeast of Spain)
Astrobytes: I get mistaken for Lang, Liang, Ling and all sorts of other ones
sprkrd: pleased to meet you, Mr. Laing :relieved:
MSmits: those are all asian though
Astrobytes: Lang isn't
Zenoscave: lange
MSmits: hmm isn it?
Zenoscave: it can be but has a eurocentric descent as well
MSmits: ah yes it has multiple origin
MSmits: s
Astrobytes: Well, it might be. But 1. I am not asian 2. I'm a Laing dammit (rhymes with brain + a g at the end)
YurkovAS: https://russianaicup.ru/profile/Astrobytes
Zenoscave: i'm a smith
Astrobytes: Luke, I am your father
Zenoscave: lol
MSmits: no it must be me, i am also a smith
MSmits: sort of
MSmits: if you squint
Zenoscave: I squint a lot. hence the glasses
MSmits: me too
MSmits: you got that from me
Astrobytes: sprkrd: Catalan, cool! Yeah, Guillaume is the French version :)
Astrobytes: I have glasses too, but not for a squint
MSmits: you mean you have them for beer?
sprkrd: MSmits I must add, I also picture you as an elderly man with moustache
Zenoscave: I wonder why
Astrobytes: Now. Witness the powah of this FULLY OPERATIONAL BATTLESTA- oh, wait
MSmits: sprkrd that's my inner self
sprkrd: your avatar has had a strong influence as how I imagine the real you
Zenoscave: Really with the star wars jokes
MSmits: good :)
Zenoscave: I'm a megaman then
Zenoscave: pewpewpew
Astrobytes: pewpewpew
YurkovAS: https://aicups.ru/profile/1289/
- smiley:
MSmits: one of my favorites growing up. We used to rent games and I rented megaman a lot
Astrobytes: Yeah, we all get exposed on RAIC YurkovAS :D
Zenoscave: Willy's stage had the best theme song
sprkrd: YurkovAS the stalking is strong on this one :grimacing:
MSmits: dont remember the song
MSmits: I just liked all the different weapons you got when beating levels
Astrobytes: Glory days of gaming eh :)
MSmits: yup
MSmits: should we get re curse if we're going to talk about gaming nostalgia
Zenoscave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJRoRt155mA
Astrobytes: don't think he's in chat
MSmits: ahh ok
Astrobytes: haha yes!
sprkrd: which is strange, I though he was 24/7
sprkrd: at least his computer
Astrobytes: re curse has other priorities currently :)
MSmits: whats he doing
Astrobytes: Presumably preparing?
MSmits: for?
Wontonimo: we are allowed to have other priorities?
MSmits: news to me Wontonimo
Astrobytes: Little re Curse!
sprkrd: sure thing, but I liked to think that even when stuff is going on in his life, he's computer is permanently on with the CG page loaded up
MSmits: oh right
sprkrd: his computer*
MSmits: it might be
MSmits: also some people now reading chat are going to think he named his computer little re curse
Astrobytes: Good!
Astrobytes: I'm sure he'll appreciate that one :D
MSmits: hehe yea
sprkrd: and what a cute name for such a cute thing that is
MSmits: :)
Astrobytes: hehehe
Astrobytes: Anyways, I'm out for this evening. Take care everybody, see ya tomorrow
sprkrd: bon soir, my gold nugget
TimeTransfixed: question: is there a way to go back to a clash of code playground after the end of the contest?
sprkrd: bonsoir*
sprkrd: TimeTransfixed I believe there is, if you haven't deleted the notification
sprkrd: you know, the notification you get when the clash finishes
sprkrd: you can click on that and go back to the page with the ranking
MSmits: gn Astrobytes
Astrobytes: Search for it here otherwise:
https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/
Astrobytes: And with that, I fully bid you goodnight
struct: gn
sprkrd: gn!
sprkrd: i'll be out soon myself too
MSmits: I cant go to bed :(
sprkrd: how come?
struct: ill be out once i finish bt
MSmits: believe it or not, i need to do a work thing at 1:15 am =/
MSmits: cant do it sooner
sprkrd: I... wow
MSmits: a database dump happens at that moment
sprkrd: I thought you were a teacher?
sprkrd: You also take care of some database?
MSmits: well i use the data from it
MSmits: to make lists of student grades
MSmits: for a meeting between teachers to decided what to do with the students at the end of the year
MSmits: a lot of things change still, so i cant have 1+ day old data
sprkrd: then I hope you can finish than soon :O
MSmits: i do this for the whole school
sprkrd: no hope of sleep for tonight?
MSmits: so it's just me staying up
MSmits: it's a short task
MSmits: takes 15 mins
MSmits: but i have to get up at 7 so it's annoying
sprkrd: good then, all-nioghters are the worst
MSmits: yeah i would not do that for sure
MSmits: not for work that is
MSmits: hey sprkrd what are you working on for CG?
sprkrd: like right now? I was considering some ideas for Amazons
MSmits: amazons seems cool
MSmits: doesnt fit my usual MO
MSmits: but that's ok
sprkrd: I decided to leave C4 in stand-by
sprkrd: I cannot match the gigantic number of rollouts that you monsters do
MSmits: C4 doesnt have a long shelf life
MSmits: not a lot of depth in that game imho
struct: c4 is hard to improve after a certain point
MSmits: sprkrd if you like a mathematical challenge try D&B, it's definitely not about the rollouts
MSmits: (dots and boxes)
sprkrd: thank you, I was going to ask :joy:
ridafkih: How do we ask to get questions removed?
sprkrd: I'll definitively try it
MSmits: it's a rabbit hole
ridafkih: This description is .... definitely Google translated from a foreign language
ridafkih: Makes 0 sense
MSmits: ridafkih i have no idea what you are talking about
ridafkih: You are given a string you need to print "no" and count of either COWS or MILK if COWS and MILK (as a word) appear same number of times in string , otherwise print count of COWS and MILK respectively. String contains words with uppercase letters and spaces separate each word.
sprkrd: ridafkih you're talking about clash, right?
MSmits: i know bulls and cows, never done the milk and cows
ridafkih: Yes
sprkrd: ah, bulls and cows was a cool one ^^
MSmits: do you mean the clash is bad?
MSmits: ridafkih?
ridafkih: The description is horribl
sprkrd: ridafkih you can always fill the form at the end, and grade the problem statement with 1 star
MSmits: the easiest way to fix it is to have someone with enough clashes done, change the description
MSmits: but yeah rating it low helps too
sprkrd: ah yeah, i didn't remember that was a thing
struct: i dont think flipping the board was worth it :/
sprkrd: (changing the problem description unilaterally)
MSmits: did you flip the C4 board?
MSmits: why would you do that?
struct: no
struct: breakthrough
MSmits: oh
sprkrd: to let the chips fall, obviously
MSmits: well I flipped it only because i needed to use a lookup arra
sprkrd: right out of the bitboard
MSmits: and i didnt want to make the array twice as big
sprkrd: out they go
struct: lookup for what?
MSmits: for finished games
MSmits: if a piece is moved on to one of the last 4 rows
MSmits: i do a lookup
MSmits: to see if it can move to the end unimpeded
struct: so you have row lookup? for each cells above row 4?
MSmits: yeah i do a pext to lookup the occupancy of all the squares in front of it in triangle format
MSmits: so the possible opponent pieces that can impede it
struct: I need to figure how to do it
MSmits: well you could, but i never saw much evidence of it helping
struct: I was thinking on tablebases, but its not worth it
struct: from what i Read
MSmits: could be a huge waste of effort
struct: I saw them trying 4 row tablebase
struct: and it was worse than no tablebase
MSmits: who is them?
MSmits: is that the paper about racing?
struct: https://scholarworks.csun.edu/bitstream/handle/10211.3/174085/Isaac-Andrew-thesis-2016.pdf
sprkrd: i'm going to feed the cats and then to sleep. Good night all. Good luck with breakthrough
struct: gn
MSmits: gn sprkrd
struct: on 6x6 breakthrough it was a massive gain but they had 5 row tablebase
struct: so almost entire board
MSmits: struct, thats kinda different from what i do, but i think they are both somewhat useless
MSmits: if i were to go back to breakthrough i'd just do a NN fo rit
struct: yeah, from what I saw in a video the game is pretty much decided before the pieces reach those cells
struct: or something like that
MSmits: the way i would guess it should be obvious that it helps is if i solve the game sooner
MSmits: but adding it didnt help me solve sooner
struct: why not?
MSmits: well i dont know, it just didnt
MSmits: maybe it's just rare
MSmits: that a lookup helps
struct: also it seems that black has advantage in this game
MSmits: most lookups probably give a non-win as result
MSmits: black moves first?
struct: black is 2nd
MSmits: ah ok
MSmits: how would you knoe?
MSmits: is it that way for smaller boards?
MSmits: if you compare for hexapawn and octapawn, hexapawn is solved for black, octapawn for white
MSmits: (this game is very similar to BT)
struct: on 6x6 they almost sovled it for white
MSmits: also sometimes a game can feel like one side has a big advantage but when you search deeper, it ends up being solved for the other side
struct: dont know why 8x8 is that much different
MSmits: maybe there's a table somewhere, like the one for c4
MSmits: with solved results for different sizes
struct: 5x5 is solved for black
struct: I think my 8x8 thing was wrong
MSmits: your thing?
struct: he just mentions that many positions end up be zugzwang so player 2 ends up winning
struct: my 8x8 comment
MSmits: sure but it matters a lot which player enters the zugzwang position
MSmits: D&B is exactly like that
MSmits: and the sizes have different results
MSmits: sometimes p1 is solved win, sometimes p2
struct: on rollout do you check for zugzwang?
MSmits: nah
MSmits: my bot is bad
struct: instead of stopping on depth N you could keep going
struct: I noticed that stockfish if I limited it to depth 1 it would still search depth 5 sometimes
struct: I guess its due to something on the search
MSmits: sure, but i dont think i really get into zugzwang positions, my bot is not good enough for that
MSmits: struct thats called quiescence search
MSmits: you keep searching until you hit a "quiet" position
MSmits: in checkers you would do this until you hit a non-jump position
struct: ah
MSmits: kinda cool you noticed this
struct: I guess maybe that was it
MSmits: I think so yes
MSmits: it's typical for minimax implementations and thats what stockfish is
struct: when you flip the board do you use the builtin function?
struct: there is one to flip vertically
MSmits: no, i do some weird :poop: let me find one
struct: i found out today thats why im asking
struct: __builtin_bswap64
struct: _byteswap_uint64 in msvc
MSmits: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/71b5e9d6-d865-45c1-a041-b314521041d6
struct: that only flips vertically
struct: not vertical + diagonal
struct: the builtin i mean
MSmits: that flips every bit
MSmits: i mean reverses
MSmits: 64th bit becomes 1st
MSmits: 63th bit becomes 2nd etc.
MSmits: it's like you got up form your seat and sat down at the other side of the board
MSmits: and look at it from that direction
struct: yeah seems right
MSmits: i didnt find a builtin for that
struct: yeah seems that there is only vertical builtin
MSmits: yeah that doesnt help me
MSmits: i think its not bad though
MSmits: i did this 1 time per expansion
MSmits: not a bottleneck
MSmits: generating all the nodes and such and doing the eval for each adds up to a lot more calc time
struct: yeah
MSmits: but as the lookup table didnt help, it was mostly wasted effort
MSmits: good practice i guess
struct: maybe i need to start simple
MSmits: always a good idea
MSmits: and one of the pieces of advice I don't follow myself :P
struct: have you check domiko contribution?
struct: might be an hard game too
MSmits: nope
struct: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/6957d71b3855419b49a91d026af0603b4179
MSmits: yeah found it :)
MSmits: i remember looking at this game at some point
IliesBourouh: hello coding community ❤
is there a way to change difficulty in private clash seasons or to choose statements ?
WhaIe: @IliesBourough unfortunately no, you can only select the game modes allowed (fastest, shortest, reverse), no way to change the difficulty or pick specific problems
TimeTransfixed: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/610324df49e94cdbd17de3f07668f632ed76
TimeTransfixed: Has anyone looked at this problem recently? My input stream does not match the suggested test case input stream. Gonna check to see if it's a problem with C now
TimeTransfixed: seems to be an issue with C
TimeTransfixed: ah the inputs are characters
TimeTransfixed: not integers
Wontonimo: Do not try and eat the taco, that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth... there will be no taco. Then you will see it is not the taco that is eaten, it is only yourself feeling satisfied that the taco no longer exists
BlaiseEbuth: -_-
Wontonimo: hey BlaiseEbuth
betofun: :grimacing:
Wontonimo: i thought everyone was asleep
BlaiseEbuth: I never sleep
betofun: hornpub.com
betofun: <(")
Wontonimo: tmi
betofun: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/00b74fb2-1694-4638-a929-230aafce9674
kitty_2310: just curious, does this site just have games to practise languages you already have some experience in or can I pick up a new language from here alone?
BlaiseEbuth: You can try. But the site is more for practice
Benana: I've been coding for a while but everytime i come to this site and try do some practice, I always find it incredibly hard to get to grasps with. Is that just me or is there something I'm missing before I should jump into the puzzles?
BlaiseEbuth: What have you tried ?
Wontonimo: kitty_2310, i learnt c++ here
Wontonimo: it can be done
kitty_2310: ok, thanks
Benana: The Descent, the intro one, the pod racing game.
Think main issue I'm having is, I have a few learning disorders and the questions or maybe just the way the code is lay out seems really difficult for me to understand. But the minute I try to actual coding on any other project I seem fine
Wontonimo: I can DM you about the pod racing
Wontonimo: and see what clicks
Benana: Like so far i've taught myself c# over like 6 or so years via Unity and learn java in college so I know I can do it
Wontonimo: there is a lot of reading on this site
Wontonimo: with a lot of details about the challenges and puzzles
Wontonimo: Have fun Benana
Wontonimo: ng all
punter147: welcome to codingame! a platform where games meet programming. Somewhere in the intersection lie the moderators and the experts whom you can approach here. They are very helpful!
