hsm_akb: guys im having a problem in my code
hsm_akb: can anybody hel[?
hsm_akb: help?*
BobLob: What's the issue and is it language specific?
hsm_akb: its in pytho and the issue is simple but i dont know wgat to do
hsm_akb: program:
hsm_akb: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/0db53626-97ce-476c-abad-d377da02df13
hsm_akb: the error:
hsm_akb: line 6, in <module>
x = int(i)
ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '\x1d'
c0nc4c: x = int(i) makes no sense in python if i'm right
hsm_akb: then how should i ge the int of i
hsm_akb: get*
SuryaTheOP: i don't think so, c0nc4c
c0nc4c: x = i is fine
BobLob: I don't know Python, but that's my understanding too. Int(i) is trying to make a number from a strong, but i is already an integer
Uljahn: num = chr(sum) <- that's the problem
Uljahn: should it be str(sum)?
c0nc4c: i suppose num is a bunch of integers
c0nc4c: so if u want to get i in num
c0nc4c: for i in num: x = i
hsm_akb: oh yeah ur right !
hsm_akb: its fixed, thank you alot
Uljahn: :thumbsup:
Westicles: Anyone know how this __exec thing works in c?
DaNinja: like system() ?
Westicles: yeah
Westicles: It seems to be the key to the chuck norris 55 code golf
Westicles: known only to the french and friends
derjack: :frog:
KiwiTae: I am in france i should know it :(
tricolours: ello from the otha side
BlaiseEbuth: Scandal! I'm not aware of this trick! :rage:
Westicles: Hmmm, well I am 1/3 french am also am excluded
BlaiseEbuth: :(
MSmits: the Dutch do not know of this trick
MSmits: well I don't anyway, maybe counterbalance :P
darkhorse64: I am french, if I give you the trick, will you give me the js compress thingy ?
darkhorse64: :wink:
Westicles: :thinking:
MSmits: whats the js compress thingy
KiwiTae: utf32 enc?
Westicles: The problem is I can't actually use it. I don't have a bash or perl or whatever in CN to use
darkhorse64: utf16 enc
darkhorse64: Same Westicles
derjack: js cant decode utf16?
KiwiTae: i only know the python trick~
Westicles: I have python and JS with 26 overhead. Apparently there is a ruby with 25 char overhead, the __exec thing gives you C with 20, and I think also C++?
darkhorse64: js compress thingy, something similar to the exec bytes trick in Python.
darkhorse64: I know of a js technique with escape/unescape but it has a high overhead. It's rumoured that there is something better
Westicles: darkhorse64, do you really know the C one?
darkhorse64: no, I was kidding. I guess it's a flavor of system() call. As you said, you must have first a very short golf solution in another language
MSmits: is this a compression of the source code or a binary?
Westicles: From the discussion, when you use __ exec you don't need main in C. But didn't find much searching for it
Westicles: compressed bash in utf16 run from C with 20 character overhead
darkhorse64: MSmits: not really compression just conversion of your chars to utf16
Westicles: I bet the ruby one is very easy to figure out, I just suck at ruby
Westicles: probably .encode and some gibberish
BlaiseEbuth: https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/ruby/
BlaiseEbuth: :3
darkhorse64: :upside_down:
BlaiseEbuth: Fix it :p
MSmits: ah ok
darkhorse64: ofc you have to include code that convert back utf16 and execute the result. So you have some overhead and never reach 50%
MSmits: if you're going to use a trick i don't see any reason to use anything other than the shortest one. So if C is the shortest then any of the others are pointless
darkhorse64: CG code golf scores your 5 best results
MSmits: oh right, code golf. I was thinking about clash
BlaiseEbuth: :scream:
MSmits: thats kinda cheap too. Find the shortest solution overall and then use 5 different tricks
MSmits: instead of finding 5 different solutions
darkhorse64: some people use that trick in clash. That makes others mad
Westicles: I think I was targeted. Like 50 of my golfs were ruby calls, and suddenly ruby mysteriously disappears from echo $PATH
MSmits: hehe yeah
darkhorse64: I will not enter this debate on system()
togo: hi
BlaiseEbuth: :eyes:
togo: what's up
Zedogx: hi
Zedogx: shib to the moon?
Zedogx: any one want?
derjack: :thinking:
Mr_PhM: finally im unbanned from chatting here
Mr_PhM: ayy
Mr_PhM: :grinning:
Zedogx: yay
KiwiTae: BlaiseEbuth we know you wanna do it :smiling_imp:
Westicles: Does this mean rockstar555 can come back?
BlaiseEbuth: He does not need that to come back...
Kvoo: how do i close this chat window lol
v1993: Use arrow at bottom left of chat window
KP56: in ultimate tic-tac-toe, what happens if in the left upper board i go to the left upper corner and that left upper corner is the last unclaimed field left on that board
struct: opp can play anywhere
Alshock: nothing, the next move can't be played in the prioritized board so he can play anywhere that's all
Uljahn: that's why using teccles moves is beneficial
MSmits: mmh not sure how that follows logically Uljahn
AllYourTrees: what exactly are the rules for putting binary data in your submission in a multi again?
struct: no rules for multis
struct: only contest
AllYourTrees: err contest then
struct: I just dont think you can obfuscate functions and such
Astrobytes: no obfuscation in contest submits
struct: weights is fine
AllYourTrees: what counts as obfuscation?
Astrobytes: there's a definition on the forum I think somewhere
KP56: changing all names of your functions and variables to some jibberish i guess
TipuTare: can someone help me?
KP56: whats your problem
struct: https://forum.codingame.com/t/new-contests-rule/2895/9
AllYourTrees: ty struct
TipuTare: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1b0fde44-cf20-4401-82e3-819fefa21e0f
TipuTare: Coders Strike Back
TipuTare: i dont understand where i need to put the "thrust"
struct: you dont need the word thrust
struct: print(str(next_checkpoint_x) + " " + str(next_checkpoint_y) + " 50")
struct: should compile
struct: 50 is the value of the thrust
struct: it can be between 0-100
TipuTare: oh
TipuTare: ty man
TipuTare: i had to put a bigger thrust tho
AntiSquid: whats a normal amount of rollouts for Breakthrough (yes if you use MCTS)
BlaiseEbuth: what's normal...
struct: I think ept is used antisquid
struct: so might be hard to say
AntiSquid: alright, how many turns do you rollout ? 10 ? 20 ? 50 ?
AllYourTrees: for breakthrough i get between 400-500k rollouts first turn with fully random rollouts, no ept
struct: I should be able to tell you soon, i should start coding it today
AllYourTrees: inb4 struct gets 3 million rollouts
AllYourTrees: :D
AntiSquid: how do you handle opponent AllYourTrees ? same tree ?
AllYourTrees: ya just 1 tree for both
eulerscheZahl: wow, Sokoban is puzzle of the week. I totally didn't expect this as CG prefers easier puzzles
eulerscheZahl: also hi
struct: grats
struct: hi
BlaiseEbuth: CG prefer nothing... The bot choose, tibo click...
AntiSquid: maybe they're saying make more puzzles?
eulerscheZahl: but he mentioned that he ignores some suggestions if it looks too hard
TipuTare: whats with the angle thing in this?
TipuTare: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/699332d2-ff6c-4495-ab52-aa6c657572e3
TipuTare: why do i need it
eulerscheZahl: because your pod has a direction which it's facing to and it can only turn by a small angle each turn
MSmits: AntiSquid when people use EPT and eval after x turns, I don't think x is ever more than 10
MSmits: when I do it, x = 0
MSmits: but i guess it may help to go as high as 5 in some cases... papers say so
TipuTare: Timeout: the program did not provide 1 input lines in due time... TipuTare will no longer be active in this game.
TipuTare: whats with this error
Wontonimo: you timed out
MSmits: it happens when your bot does not output
eulerscheZahl: did you promote to a higher league?
eulerscheZahl: input format changes on promotion
TipuTare: wood 2
TipuTare: i did
MSmits: yeah coders strikes back is crap in that it changes its input format
eulerscheZahl: there is a code reset button (top right in your IDE)
Wontonimo: use the circular update button in the upper right
eulerscheZahl: but save the old code before you click it
TipuTare: ok
MSmits: I guess you can take the old code from the history tab right?
TipuTare: still saying error
AntiSquid: indentation missing on last line i guess
AntiSquid: TipuTare
Wontonimo: you can always get your previous "submit to arena" code version by clicking on "History"
eulerscheZahl: let MK connect to you via teamviewer to help you
MSmits: can be many things, but indentation is one yeah
TipuTare: Timeout: the program did not provide 1 input lines in due time... TipuTare will no longer be active in this game.
TipuTare: still saying this
eulerscheZahl: any other message before that?
TipuTare: nitialization: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/83362c33-3bfa-4a3d-b5ab-2f950cd74e21
eulerscheZahl: i think we can't help you with the information currently available
TipuTare: oh no problem
MSmits: you would need to share your entire code
Wontonimo: I'll DM you and see if I can walk you through it
MSmits: but the resetted code should work
Wontonimo: yes, the reset should work
eulerscheZahl: i can't even take your entire code and run it on my own, as i can't go back to wood2
MSmits: eulerscheZahl is too advanced for this
TipuTare: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/0448c03e-5221-463c-a49c-dbd3cd7100b0
TipuTare: this is my entire code
TipuTare: what division are you guys
MSmits: ye indentation
MSmits: you're doing everything outside of the game loop
eulerscheZahl: legend
TipuTare: ahahahah
TipuTare: im so dumb
TipuTare: ty
MSmits: well not everthing
eulerscheZahl: https://planetoids21.kattis.com/standings
dbdr has to improve for his swap bag now
MSmits: it's swag, not swap. If you can't type it, you don't have it
eulerscheZahl: but he's still on track to "receive a story feature on ICPC social media channels"
Wontonimo: TipuTare, it doesn't look like you are printing in the "if" part and only in the "else" part
MSmits: I'll read a dbdr feature
eulerscheZahl: it's just a missing indent for the last few lines, as already mentioned
eulerscheZahl: i have no idea what a story feature even is
TipuTare: ik
eulerscheZahl: you win the change to write a post mortem?
eulerscheZahl: chanceÜ
eulerscheZahl: chance*
Wontonimo: TipuTare , here is your code fixed
Wontonimo: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/d893a8e0-04b1-4b46-8c96-791c0034ebcc
eulerscheZahl: i can't type anymore
MSmits: once upon a time there was a dbdr, he jumped a spikey pit and became a master coder
MSmits: summarized it
TipuTare: i already fixed it but thx
Wontonimo: cool
MSmits: Wontonimo is that really fixed? The for loop seems outside the while loop...
KP56: i dont see anything wrong in this code
eulerscheZahl: for loop?
MSmits: ohh wait
MSmits: it goes on a new line for me
Wontonimo: code formatting with pastebin
MSmits: yeah
MSmits: my pastebin was too zoomed
eulerscheZahl: as we are talking about formatting: https://imgur.com/a/fzoNyaI
MSmits: the for started on a new line
eulerscheZahl: how made that responsive design?
MSmits: eulerscheZahl's cat please let euler have the keyboard back
eulerscheZahl: who* :(
MSmits: but yeah that looks like crap
eulerscheZahl: i wouldn't go that far. but is has it's weaknesses
Wontonimo: I use
$(".left-column").remove() ; $(".chat-wrapper").width("100%") ; $(".chat").width("100%") ; $(".messages").width("100%")
Wontonimo: to expand my window
eulerscheZahl: as the dead links that BlaiseEbuth mentioned
MSmits: Wontonimo I just use the square icon
MSmits: windows eh
TipuTare: whats the difference betweem thrust and boost
TipuTare: is boost more powerful?
Wontonimo: what square icon?
BlaiseEbuth: Right. Js site... :nauseated-face:
KP56: boost is 650 thrust basically
MSmits: at the top of the window, to maximize it :P
eulerscheZahl: but Wontonimo gets a fullscreen chat with that command
KP56: but you can only use it once
TipuTare: ok
MSmits: ohhh
MSmits: too fancy for me
eulerscheZahl: but only works when the browser window is big enough to show the chat?
Wontonimo: yes
Wontonimo: it's hacky
MSmits: must be nice to have those skills
MSmits: i cant do fancy stuff with browsers
MSmits: seems like the sort of thing you learn at work because you have to
MSmits: I barely understand enough about html and css to teach my students, let alone php, js and all that
struct: yeap nobody learns js because they want to
Wontonimo: lol
eulerscheZahl: i learned how to analyze web requests because of the CG API
MSmits: ah yeah, you even spent 2 hrs trying to teach me that
MSmits: my first time using python
MSmits: still have that somewhere
Wontonimo: The full screen chat hack is really handy for work, as it hides most all the "game" elements of being on CG
MSmits: "really handy for work" is not the right way to put it :P
MSmits: "really handy not to have to work" is more like it
MSmits: that's why I prefer to work from home. At least I can procrastinate grading tests without shame
BlaiseEbuth: https://github.com/BlaiseEbuth/CGChat Just put that here. The script can also directly be used with violentmonkey and stuff.
MSmits: there's a violent monkey now?
MSmits: I vaguely remember a greasy monkey
TipuTare: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/4bab0aaa-4f3f-4537-931f-e7218901545b
TipuTare: heyy
BlaiseEbuth: lot of monkeys
TipuTare: can somebody help me with this
TipuTare: i know im asking a lot so sorry
MSmits: whats wrong with it?
TipuTare: i get second place
MSmits: ok, but it doesnt crash?
Wontonimo: nice TipuTare
TipuTare: wait
TipuTare: i can fix it
KP56: gl
Wontonimo: way to go. generally speaking don't paste all your code here once your code has more than just the very basics
Wontonimo: code segments are okay
MSmits: yeah, this was ok, just dont do it when you get beyond wood
Wontonimo: correct me if i'm wrong
MSmits: not wrong
KP56: why not?
KP56: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/4becdd80-008a-40a4-8435-762b3da8443f
MSmits: because it's spoilers
KP56: dw its not finished
TipuTare: but whats wrong with my code i get second place
Wontonimo: yeah, the point of the site it's to exercise peoples cut-and-paste skills
TipuTare: but i use boost
MSmits: if you need help, you can always go to PM, or DM as the young people call it
TipuTare: oh ok
KP56: what i did when i had a code similar to yours
TipuTare: i got rank 1
TipuTare: my bad sorry
KP56: is i would keep track of all checkpoints during the first lap
TipuTare: im a dummy :)
KP56: and use boost when i reach the checkpoint where there is the highest distance between this one and the next one
MSmits: but at least you are no longer a crash dummy
TipuTare: yay
MSmits: KP56 yeah i did that too
TipuTare: what rank are you guys?
BlaiseEbuth: KP56: First and last warning, don't share your code like this.
KP56: in coders strike back?
MSmits: usually somewhere between 7 and 12
KP56: BlaiseEbuth there is nothing in it just some data structures
TipuTare: my bad i meant division
MSmits: legend
KP56: i got silver on my own and to gold with a help of wontomino
TipuTare: BlaiseEButh do u get banned or it?
BlaiseEbuth: What?
KP56: for pasting your coder
KP56: code|*
KP56: code*
Wontonimo: yes
MSmits: you can
MSmits: except when it's obviously harmless
TipuTare: then can i dm you with the code?
MSmits: such as TipuTare's just now
KP56: i think you can
TipuTare: or is that bad
TipuTare: how do i get to the next division?
KP56: think
MSmits: when you dm, you dont get automatic pastebin
TipuTare: i need to be first in my division right?
MSmits: so you might need pastebin.com
struct: sharing default code with a few ifs its fine
MSmits: to promote yes TipuTare
MSmits: the main leaderboard wont show the boss though, so you can be 1 there and 2 in reality
MSmits: you need to beat the boss on the leaderboard
KP56: really?
Wontonimo: TipuTare, check your PM / DM
MSmits: 993 in legend now. Soon not even the full legend list will show on the leaderboard of csb
TipuTare: i checked
TipuTare: gtg tho cuz its my grandma's birthday
MSmits: go go
TipuTare: byee
MSmits: cya
eulerscheZahl: kotlin heroes is near
struct: to bad i dont know kotlin
KP56: WAIT ive just realized you are #1 eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: random ups and downs
eulerscheZahl: a few days ago i was 3rd
KP56: was wandering who is
KP56: ah ok
eulerscheZahl: struct you only have to solve 1 problem to have a small chance to get one of 50 random tshirts
eulerscheZahl: last time there were like 700 players who solved at least 1 problem
eulerscheZahl: and there are very easy problems that you can solve in 10 min while still looking up the syntax
struct: maybe i can do it on intellij
struct: it can help with syntax and such
eulerscheZahl: intelliJ even has a java->kotlin converter built in
eulerscheZahl: https://codeforces.com/contest/1488/standings
you can also see the solutions from the last contest (double click the cells)
eulerscheZahl: helps you get an idea how to parse inputs
struct: so only 1 problem for a chance of a tshirt?
struct: how much time do i have?
eulerscheZahl: 2.5h
**eulerscheZahl usually solves the first problem within 5min
struct: does cf have ide?
eulerscheZahl: no
struct: so i need to read from file to test the testcases?
eulerscheZahl: from stdin
eulerscheZahl: communication is very similar to CG
MSmits: mmh I am almost tempted to solve this puzzle
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/training/easy/cosmic-love
MSmits: if it had been Alice and Bob, I would have gone for it, alas
eulerscheZahl: because you are a physicist?
MSmits: ofc :)
MSmits: in my textbook as a student it was always Alice and Bob
eulerscheZahl: i still have that stupid puzzle idea that i might never pull off
MSmits: what was it?
MSmits: or is it secret
eulerscheZahl: you have some switches that you can toggle. and lights are on or off
eulerscheZahl: there is some wiring in between. but that's a black box
MSmits: mmh ok
eulerscheZahl: keep toggling until you create a certain pattern with the lights
MSmits: sounds interesting
MSmits: is this going to be one of those puzzles that only 10 people can solve ? :P
MSmits: like your space maze
eulerscheZahl: and then put it in easy section, grey code bruteforce being a valid solution :D
MSmits: oh wait, it's 12 now
MSmits: it's the only puzzle where I am following a third of the people that succeeded at it
KP56: which puzzle
eulerscheZahl: Space Maze
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/training/expert/space-maze
MSmits: has graphics
MSmits: because euler
eulerscheZahl: has madness
Astrobytes: But beware: it requires a raycasting NN to solve... :P
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/training/hard/freecell
only 2 solvers
MSmits: higher community success rate
MSmits: 6% to your 5
eulerscheZahl: if you go by percentage, https://www.codingame.com/training/expert/nintendo-sponsored-contest is the worst
MSmits: i blame that on the fact that it has nintendo in the title
KP56: ^^
MSmits: people read it and think, ohh I roxxorz at mario
eulerscheZahl: and it's an official puzzle => higher visibility
MSmits: that too
KP56: is every single map in space maze a straight line to the exit?
eulerscheZahl: those how get down to the community ones are usually more motivated
KP56: if not, im not even gonna attempt that
MSmits: it's not
MSmits: and you should not attempt it for now
KP56: i guess
MSmits: do some easier ones :)
MSmits: I havent solved it either though, maybe i am exaggerating
Westicles: try freecell first
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/566974311
surely not a straight line
dbdr: damn, 25 points is the smallest possible score difference, I think. can you believe it?
eulerscheZahl: yes
dbdr: Automaton2000, will you give me a lucky submit?
Automaton2000: i think i'll just do the same
KP56: wait i do not understand, the car can drive into space?!
MSmits: dbdr get your swag on!
zsltg: Space Maze reminded me of Atomix, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl7UdzqlX2M
eulerscheZahl: swap bag in danger. but you can still get that social media thing
Astrobytes: *swag
dbdr: moscow in danger
MSmits: oh noes not again, it's a swag bag
eulerscheZahl: i tried to pay attention to do it right this time, got dammit
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhffadRAVdI
MSmits: for you euler
eulerscheZahl: kotlin heroes starts in 5min, then i'll be gone for good
eulerscheZahl: my speakers aren't plugged in
MSmits: no need
KP56: kotlin heroes?
MSmits: i made sure it had text lyrics
eulerscheZahl: https://codeforces.com/contests/1533
eulerscheZahl: https://codeforces.com/blog/entry/92165
**eulerscheZahl wants the tshirt
Astrobytes: You have to save the world from Kotlin KP56
KP56: ah its a contest
Westicles: can you call g++ in kotlin heroes?
KP56: lmao
eulerscheZahl: my last one ended up doing this: https://www.pochta.ru/en/tracking#RO147418906RU
Astrobytes: you can convert from java to kotlin in IDEA Westicles
eulerscheZahl: intelliJ has a Java->kotlin converter
eulerscheZahl: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
KP56: nice
Astrobytes: :D
KP56: it has so many features ive never heard about some
KP56: and i use this program for a couple of years already
TheDarkSpoonEater_3e94: what's happenin'
eulerscheZahl: 30s, gtg
Astrobytes: good luck
TheDarkSpoonEater_3e94: :confused:
Wontonimo: hey CarmeTheThird, how did you hear of CG
KP56: probably google
TheDarkSpoonEater_3e94: yeah google
zsltg: well, I heard about CG when some company used it for screening
Wontonimo: hey CarmeTheThird, try out the "multis" (aka Bot Programming) https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming
Wontonimo: I like them a lot more than Clash of Code
struct: also you probably will learn a bit more stuff
struct: and no time limit
n00bCod3r: How can I see the history of my clashes?
struct: notifications
struct: the bell icon
n00bCod3r: So if in one year I want to see the clash I ook today I have to scroll back o.o
struct: you wont be able to see them anymore
struct: it gets cleared
Wontonimo: hopefully in a year you'll find the clashes too simple and have moved onto multis
struct: I think i have played plenty of clashes
struct: when i joined cg
struct: 3815 clashes :grimacing:
MSmits: think of how many boardgame leaderboards you could have wrecked in that time
struct: yeapa
struct: dont make the same mistake I did
struct: Now I can no longer play clashes, but at least I can do average bots on multis
Joleaf: what for boardgame leaderboards?
n00bCod3r: I don't plan on ending in any leaderboards anyway
MSmits: the neverending noobcoder
n00bCod3r: :sunglasses:
struct: im not against clashes
struct: but you can get a lot more from multis
struct: imo
Wontonimo: what do you mean Joleaf ?
struct: games like these Joleaf https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/connect-4
struct: There are plenty of games
n00bCod3r: How much does it take to learn async in JS?
Joleaf: ah, thank you :)
MSmits: whats async
Wontonimo: 7. it teaks 7 to learn async
n00bCod3r: I spent almost 50 hours reading docs, reading tutorials, doing exercises and I still don't understand anything
MSmits: 7 is less than 8 at least
Wontonimo: yeah, and I'm grateful for that
struct: MSmits its like a queue
struct: your code keeps running while other function is pending
struct: or w/e
MSmits: oh that
MSmits: like a workthread
n00bCod3r: I'm reading playground 347 for the third time
MSmits: is it any good
MSmits: (dont spoil the ending)
n00bCod3r: The explanation is really good, I just fatigue to understand it
n00bCod3r: Struggle, not fatigue*
MSmits: but it fatigues you
Wontonimo: code it n00bCod3r. play with the code locally. tweak it, add log messages, but most importantly is to run the code in various versions
Wontonimo: and from memory
Wontonimo: dont' copy-paste it
n00bCod3r: I don't usually do that
Wontonimo: all the reading in the world won't make good at driving unless you actually get behind the wheel and practice. Same with coding
n00bCod3r: I know, I'm writing a script in Node that uses this stuff so I have to study it before
n00bCod3r: I even wrote a working code but idk why it works
MSmits: it's magic
n00bCod3r: .-. maybe
emh: are there any exercises on implementing a lisp interpreter?
emh: I want to code one in order to experiment with Levin universal search. but not today. another day
Westicles: I think there is a clash for that
emh: a clash? wow. hehe
emh: I want to write it in C++. for speed
Westicles: jk. you can search here. didn't see anything for those keywords
Westicles: https://eulerschezahl.herokuapp.com/codingame/puzzles/
emh: ahh ok
emh: I'm fasting today (with tomato juice). dinner at 6 PM. want to lose weight
Wontonimo: the fasted way to lose weight is to shave your head
emh: I do that. sometimes
emh: hehe
darkhorse64: it's working for everybody
darkhorse64: it's not
Wontonimo: but tomato juice has calories. why not water?
Wontonimo: heck, if you skip the water also you'll lose weight even faster
emh: it's negligible amount of calories in tomato juice
emh: and tastes good
emh: I also put curry in the juice
emh: powder
Wontonimo: okay, i was with you until that last bit
emh: hehe. also garlic pepper sometimes
emh: tastes like food then
MSmits: clip toenails as well
MSmits: and use laxatives
emh: do prunes count?
MSmits: sure
Wontonimo: I hear laying down in a bog will draw out all your bodily fluids if you stay still for at least 1 month. Good way to lose 50 to 100 lbs
emh: rad
emh: maybe alligators will help too
HiEv: Yeah, fastest way to lose weight is amputation. :-P
emh: my laptop upgraded itself to Windows 11. it's on the insider channel
zsltg: @emh and how is it?
AllYourTrees: Astrobytes idk what to do in breakthrough anymore
struct: meanwhile im still on move generator functions
struct: :D
struct: You use mcts AllYourTrees?
AllYourTrees: ya + solver
AllYourTrees: idk how much the solver actually helped lol
struct: random rollouts?
AllYourTrees: ya
struct: I heard that ept is better
struct: or its random + ept?
Astrobytes: Sorry was afk, yeah I'd figure out an eval and go EPT
emh: zsltg it looks a bit different. didn't notice much else
AllYourTrees: does ept require an eval fn?
AllYourTrees: ahh
jacek: do you have bitboards in bt?
Wontonimo: ept?
Astrobytes: MCTS with early playout termination
Astrobytes: replace rollouts with an eval essentially
Wontonimo: right
jacek: do you have special cases for endgames i.e. player to move has pawn at 7th row so its a win? or non attacked pawn in 6th row then its almost win, etc. this way with few ifs you can check earlier win/loses, by 3-4 or sometimes 5 plies
AllYourTrees: yep have bitboards, not sure if im using them optimally though
AllYourTrees: interesting jacek i don't have special cases like that. all i have is force moves to stop a win and take winning moves
AllYourTrees: can you almost do like a raycast where you shoot rays in front of a pawn and if there's no enemies there then you know its a win?
AllYourTrees: except i guess itll have to be a bit operation
jacek: i do that with ifs and bit operations
jacek: i.e. frame 57 https://www.codingame.com/replay/546068314 black to move
jacek: i know in this moment its a win for black - black can move into non-attacked square and also white hasnt similar pawn for his race to win. no need to do 2-3 plies search
linjoehan: Does coding escape only have 3 public rooms?
BIPIN_THE_KIND: hello
jacek: ohai
BIPIN_THE_KIND: rate yourself from 1 to 10
BIPIN_THE_KIND: in coding
struct: 1
clay53: 10
jacek: oO
MSmits: 3,87
BlaiseEbuth: coding coding coding coding coding coding coding coding coding coding
Wontonimo: no
BlaiseEbuth: :3
Wontonimo: what if there was more than 1 dimension to skill rating? :scream:
BlaiseEbuth: Nice try. But I will not spam 'coding' ^^
Wontonimo: speaking of which, I really like that CG has XP, CP, and the quest map of which there is only a small intersection between them. Really kept me engaged
Wontonimo: oh, i liked your response BlaiseEbuth ! +1
BlaiseEbuth: :sunglasses:
TipuTare: i got to bronze guyssssssss
TipuTare: i dont know why it doesnt show u right after u did it
KiwiTae: gg
Aeglen: wish i found this 7 years afo
jacek: hm?
Wontonimo: yeah, me to Aeglen
BIPIN_THE_KIND: yeah me too aeglen
BIPIN_THE_KIND: i would be killing this game right now
BlaiseEbuth: I found it 7 years before
jacek: and now youre a mod. what a downhill
eulerscheZahl: i failed kotlin heroes again :sob:
BlaiseEbuth: If I continue like this I will end working for CG...
jacek: you used java?
eulerscheZahl: in an unpaid internship
eulerscheZahl: no, i coded in kotlin
eulerscheZahl: solved 6 tasks. need 7 for top50
eulerscheZahl: or 6 with a faster time
eulerscheZahl: and tourist "only" 2nd
eulerscheZahl: solved everything but worse time than #1
eulerscheZahl: even if he had all 10 done faster
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/finding-sherlock-coding-escape-community-event-on-july-7/191634
not even as a real contest. there is hope to have bots in fall
struct: escape event o.o
jacek: escape from CG
eulerscheZahl: did you submit on kotlin heroes struct?
struct: no euler
struct: I ended up not joining
eulerscheZahl: now you can't anymore, registration is closed
struct: im sure i could solve some problems
struct: im doing breakthrough instead
struct: like 1 line per 10 minutes
eulerscheZahl: hard thinking or distracted coding?
struct: distracted
struct: was watching the soccer game
struct: germany is playing vs england
eulerscheZahl: dbdr dropped to #3, now even his media thing is in danger
eulerscheZahl: right, that soccer match. completely forgot
eulerscheZahl: but it's raining heavily, can't use the empty park to my advantage
struct: Does the cg escape have prizes?
struct: might be the only way to win a shirt
struct: :D
eulerscheZahl: i know as much as you do
eulerscheZahl: less than you if you click the registration link
eulerscheZahl: Astrobytes struct wants to team up with you
struct: team games during summer might not be a great call
eulerscheZahl: oh, july 7th. I have my first soccer match this year on that day :)
Astrobytes: lol, not sure I'm up for it tbh
eulerscheZahl: friendly's for a team that i usually don't play for. some church team. but hey, it's soccer
BlaiseEbuth: :imp:
Astrobytes: getting back to some kind of normality at least
struct: I should also start playing on thursday
eulerscheZahl: my Austrian colleague even has to get back to office in 2 weeks
eulerscheZahl: he doesn't even want to come back to office
Astrobytes: I think there should be an option to remain fully or partially out of the office for most previously office-based positions tbh
Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth: this popout chat is great, thanks.
eulerscheZahl: regarding kotlin:
eulerscheZahl: " If two participants solved the same number of problems and scored the same penalty, then those of them who had previously made the last successful submission will be given an advantage in the distribution of prizes and gifts."
eulerscheZahl: i'm screwed. same time as another player but worse in that tie
BlaiseEbuth: A little basic cause that's the v2. Lost the v1... :3
Astrobytes: hey, it does what it says on the tin, I'm happy
eulerscheZahl: even with solving just 1 problem and then quitting i would have a bigger chance for random tshirt
eulerscheZahl: i hate that mode
eulerscheZahl: submitted something else for different penalty time :D
eulerscheZahl: but not working, first solve counts :/
Wontonimo: what pop out chat?
Astrobytes: Wontonimo:
https://github.com/BlaiseEbuth/CGChat
Wontonimo: thanks
HiEv: Wow. Fixed one typo in my code and went from 34th place to 14th place.
Wontonimo: which game HiEv?
HiEv: Ultimate Tic-Tac-Toe.
HiEv: (Silver league)
Wontonimo: Nice!
Wontonimo: what algo are you using HiEv ?
HiEv: At this point it's mostly a "take the obvious moves, otherwise go randomly" algorithm, with a bunch of placeholders for code to make it smarter. Does fairly well, considering.
HiEv: I've been adding some "and avoid stupid moves" code now too.
HiEv: I just started on it last night, so still early stages.
Wontonimo: well, that's good placement for first early stages
Wontonimo: really good
Wontonimo: you don't even have a simulation?
HiEv: It knows where to go to win and where to go to block, and prioritizes the meta-board wins, but that's about it so far.
jacek: noice
struct: smart rollouts with ept should work right?
struct: for bt
jacek: ept would work in any game
jacek: provided you have not crappy ecal
jacek: eval even
HeroicSnowflake_ea2b: dexNod
BIPIN_THE_KIND: Hello
BIPIN_THE_KIND: anyone there
BlaiseEbuth: No
BIPIN_THE_KIND: ok
Xchel: hi
KiwiTae: o/
Joleaf: eulerschezahl dont run your django in debug mode :)
eulerscheZahl: yes i will
Joleaf: okay :)
eulerscheZahl: it's all on github anyways, no hidden info you could extract
**dbdr sets panic mode on
eulerscheZahl: the icpc contest?
dbdr: y
eulerscheZahl: i see the panic in your submit count going up
dbdr: :D
eulerscheZahl: if you don't get the trip, at least you will "receive a story feature on ICPC social media channels."
dbdr: whatever that means :D
eulerscheZahl: they changed the description a few times. before the top players after each 24h should get a swag bag
Astrobytes: :clap: got it right!
eulerscheZahl: ?
eulerscheZahl: ah
Astrobytes: the swag bag
Astrobytes: ;)
Astrobytes: dbdr best of luck to you, that's way too close for comfort!
dbdr: #1 has a nice lead
Astrobytes: Yeah, but the difference to #2 is sooo near
Xchel: 3+
Astrobytes: from you I mean, not from #1
eulerscheZahl: 25 is the smallest possible difference
**eulerscheZahl hates those useless constant factors
Astrobytes: damn!
eulerscheZahl: just divide everything by 25 and it's still the same order
dbdr: I guess #2 or #3 does not matter much
eulerscheZahl: who does this as a problem creator?
Astrobytes: lol
dbdr: round numbers look better
eulerscheZahl: 25 is not round
eulerscheZahl: it's odd
dbdr: it's because they halve some points
dbdr: everything else is multiple of 10
Astrobytes: round != even
dbdr: don't distract me from my spam submitting ;)
eulerscheZahl: round = multiple of Pi obviously
Astrobytes: :D
jacek: smits is not 1st in c4 eh
Astrobytes: oh, nice job by robo, pretty close between them still though.
Astrobytes: And I thought struct was done with c4? :P
RoboStac: he keeps resubmitting because I push him down to far
struct: yeah
struct: the bot is the same
Astrobytes: Ah :D
struct: when I opened codingame i had like 40+ matches lost vs robo
Astrobytes: Yes, I'm familiar with that feeling
Fatley: /me
RoboStac: I can't seem to get a version that's good vs smits and fica at the same time.
Fatley: hello all
Fatley: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Astrobytes: does fica also book?
eulerscheZahl: just tell struct when you are done
RoboStac: not that I'm aware of
RoboStac: I've stopped for now as continuing that training didn't really seem to be improving
Wontonimo: (ノಠ_ಠ)ノ彡 ┬──┬
/me glues down table
struct: yes this version seems better
struct: I can no longer beat you even if I make my AI play worse
RoboStac: yeah, it's definitely much better than the version from a few weeks ago
RoboStac: just can't get conv networks to be fast enough
YurkovAS: struct you have more rollouts than me in c4? can you check? i'm show in msg, first number.
struct: yes
struct: i have 3M rollouts per sec
struct: on first turn
struct: you seem to have 2.2M right?
YurkovAS: yes
YurkovAS: you use 'horizontal and' in win check? my avx version is slower than standart.
struct: yes
struct: ah on win check
struct: i use testz
YurkovAS: struct and 4 avx instructions before "testz" in "horizontal and"?
struct: i use the and on shifts and on the masks
YurkovAS: thanks, i'm need more :thinking: about it or googling...
struct: i use 2 shifts in total for win check
struct: i saw some people use more
YurkovAS: oh, i'm use 4 shifts + 3 and_clear_mask + havy "hor_and"
AllYourTrees: RoboStac how did you fit the 63x3 -> 256 -> 16 weights in codingame? isn't that way above 100kb? 189*256 =48k floats = ~192k bytes
Meghnatis: hey. anybody at the defibrillatorts problem atm? i need some help but not the solution
Meghnatis: i don't want to goolge cause i dont want to see the answer yet.
darkhorse64: maybe he uses half floats or any form of quantization. Just a wild guess
RoboStac: one utf-16 character per float (14 bit accuracy)
PatrickMcGinnisII: Meghnatis it's just math. I did in in java because you need good precision for that one
Invisible_Babayka: Meghnatis I did it several hours ago. Can you tell me more exactly what's the problem?
And yeah Patrick is right about the precision thing.
Invisible_Babayka: Guys, I'm curious about fall challenge 2021. Did anyone participate in previous ones? Was it fun? What you would do if enrolled? Is this some kind of clash of code week?
KiwiTae: lol
jacek: clash of code as contest? :scream:
KiwiTae: hope not :D
jacek: previous contests were bot programming
jacek: like https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/spring-challenge-2021
jacek: or https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/fall-challenge-2020
struct: AllYourTrees how many rollouts did you have on breakthrough?
Invisible_Babayka: Oh I see. Thank you jacek :)
Astrobytes: think it was 500k struct iirc
struct: in 1 sec right?
SandmanSW96: thats a new one
SandmanSW96: "you have reached the limited number of plays for a limited amount of time"
jacek: Oo
SandmanSW96: yeah in the spring challenge
Astrobytes: I don't remember tbh struct
SandmanSW96: i have never seen CG do that
Astrobytes: Yeah it's annoying SandmanSW96, they lowered the threshold for max plays
SandmanSW96: ugh
SandmanSW96: whats the threshold?
SandmanSW96: like time wise
Astrobytes: I honestly don't remember off the top of my head
Wontonimo: 5 min i thought
SandmanSW96: k thanks though
SandmanSW96: okay so i wait 5?
Astrobytes: there are minutes, hours and daily thresholds
struct: after that messages show
Wontonimo: then there is another limit at something like 30 min
Wontonimo: then 1 hour, 4 hours, 8 hours ,etc
struct: o.o
SandmanSW96: but there is a 5 min one too?
Wontonimo: i think so
SandmanSW96: k
SandmanSW96: i will give it 5
Wontonimo: very much like twitter api thresholds
struct: just press play my code less often I guess
Wontonimo: and other such services
Astrobytes: yeah, n amount of plays in 5 minutes
Astrobytes: Submit more! Oh...
SandmanSW96: hard to get your head around the task if you get shut out
struct: you can do like 700 battles in 24 hours I think
struct: its harsh
Wontonimo: think more, submit less, test locally
SandmanSW96: i am just replaying same circumstances
SandmanSW96: still trying to beat the ai myself so i can figure out the right code for it
struct: just submit and hope rng makes you win
SandmanSW96: been putting moves in manually
Wontonimo: did you know you can view previous battles without having to rerun them?
SandmanSW96: oh yeah
SandmanSW96: i do that when i lose to like only a handful of ppl
SandmanSW96: watch all of them to see what went wrong. good for bug hunting
Wontonimo: you can also review other peoples battles
SandmanSW96: ugh k i am gonna give this thing 5 and try again later
Astrobytes: Get some water/coffee/whatever, take a small walk, come back refreshed
Astrobytes: And yeah. Test locally.
BlaiseEbuth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FweAZfgZMvw
Astrobytes: ah I know that one
AlexWord: will artificial intelligence take away the work of programmers?
BlaiseEbuth: Automaton2000 ?
Automaton2000: oh, i know that problem
Astrobytes: heh heh
Astrobytes: And no to your question.
AlexWord: Saw the merge of gpt-3 and github
Astrobytes: I think it'll be useful more as a tool than a threat
BlaiseEbuth: Can be useful as threat too :smiling_imp:
Astrobytes: *employment threat
BlaiseEbuth: Speaking music Astrobytes, have you ever seen these little dudes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ7_1KN6aXY
jacek: https://copilot.github.com/
Xbiot: hello
Astrobytes: Impressive BlaiseEbuth! I hadn't seen that. Top quality cover!
BlaiseEbuth: They made a few, they're pretty good. Well raised kids ^^
Astrobytes: Yeah for sure. Those kids can play! (and sing!)
BlaiseEbuth: Make 4-5 kids -> Train them hard -> become producer -> big ROI :money_mouth:
Astrobytes: Damn straight!
jacek: making 4-5 NNs is cheap though
Astrobytes: NNs won't sing like that young lassie
Astrobytes: They kinda scare me in that 'Hanson' kinda way. But they are very good.
MSmits: why are you afraid of a band?
MSmits: weirdest phobia
Astrobytes: Do you actually remember Hanson?
MSmits: yeah those 3 girls that turned out to be guys
jacek: traps?
BlaiseEbuth: Jim?
Astrobytes: MmmBop <shudder>
MSmits: I remember mostly because 1 of my friends was really into one of the "girls"
Astrobytes: I don't actually have a phobia, but there is definitely some Hanson overlap going on here (admittedly with girls and boys but still...)
Astrobytes: MSmits: you cannot be serious
MSmits: yep
MSmits: was a nice surprise for him
BlaiseEbuth: How did he get inside ?
Astrobytes: wtf :rofl:
MSmits: BlaiseEbuth lol
jacek: :no_mouth:
Astrobytes: This only happened when he first saw them right?
MSmits: he just beat you to it jacek
MSmits: i think within a week of first seeing them maybe
antidude900: brr
Astrobytes: OK. But still :D
MSmits: yeah it was funny
antidude900: maan this battke is taking too much time my battery gonna die
Astrobytes: you don't have to watch all your submits
Brejchys: heyeyey
Brejchys: i can win
antidude900: still though i dont have to wtach i have to wait>
antidude900: ?
Astrobytes: ah ok
Astrobytes: You can't plug in?
antidude900: no
Astrobytes: damn, well, better preserve what battery you have left
Astrobytes: sorry :/
antidude900: the boss 3 is invincible
Wontonimo: what game antidude900 ?
antidude900: does programming lanuage also matter with the spedd in which our bot is moving?
Astrobytes: Coders Strike Back I'm guessing
Wontonimo: prbly
antidude900: yeah
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah, python's bot are limited in speed
antidude900: fck
Wontonimo: he's kidding
Seto_Kibah: Python: Quick to make, slow to process
antidude900: but i have hear that python are slow in ececuting than c+
BlaiseEbuth: Java ones are a little faster but can explode at any moment
Seto_Kibah: That's what my mother said about me, except quick to birth, and slow to love..... *sobs*
Wontonimo: tmi
Seto_Kibah: Sorry, just Python reminds me of my mother
BlaiseEbuth: The scales I guess
Wontonimo: (¬_¬)
MSmits: lol!
Astrobytes: hah!
MSmits: best yo momma joke
struct: finally made the getmoves function
struct: time to rest for the rest of the week
Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth wins CG chat for today
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah ! \o/
Wontonimo: :taco:
Wontonimo: hey antidude900, what are you making your bot do?
Astrobytes: struct: why do I not believe you when you say that :D
struct: I did astro
struct: took me a while because it was very slow at first
Astrobytes: I meant the resting part :D
struct: ah
struct: :p
struct: it should take me a while anyways to make a bot for it
Astrobytes: I made mine a while ago, bug fixing and tuning past few days. Still no TT, been working on eval mostly
struct: why TT?
struct: you use minimax?
Astrobytes: I'm alphabeta always to start with
struct: ah, i usually start with mcts
struct: its mostly copy paste from my other multis
Astrobytes: Yeah, I could do that but I'm masochistic
Astrobytes: Plus, good alphabeta == good EPT
struct: maybe I can try minimax
struct: Long time since i tried it
Astrobytes: I have some kind of null window type thing going on already but been focusing on the eval before adding extras
Wontonimo: there's an improvement to alpha beta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Astrobytes: I think most of us recognise that url by now
Astrobytes: *I hope
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Astrobytes: You fell for it or something else?
struct: yes and it auto played for some reaosn
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: I randomly clicked it without meaning to :(
MSmits: i was just closing some tabs and lost control of the mouse
Astrobytes: Lost control of the mouse... that's the best one I've heard yet!
MSmits: well once you get older, all this tech becomes harder to control
Astrobytes: You're only a year older than me!
MSmits: well, I guess that means more rick astley in your future
Astrobytes: Hehehe, well played
MSmits: I'm not messing though, i tried to grab the mouse and missed somehow, just tired
MSmits: then i heard rick
Astrobytes: It happens
MSmits: yup
Astrobytes: My keyboard is playing up again, got it at a funny angle from the usual. Might need a couple of new switches
MSmits: ah yes
MSmits: btw
MSmits: my fence is coming tomororw
MSmits: hope i got all the tree roots
MSmits: or those guys are going to have trouble digging :P
Astrobytes: Ah, well, you're gonna find out :D
Astrobytes: Or they are lol
MSmits: yeah it was my job to deliver the ground "rootless"
MSmits: but I guess they'll be ok running into one root. otherwise i'll get my axe and help
Astrobytes: I am fairly sure, given your thorough nature, that the ground is rootless :P
MSmits: well the panels all go 1 foot deep
MSmits: but the poles 70 cm. I think
MSmits: mixing systems here
MSmits: i checked everything to 1 foot
MSmits: so the poles might hit some
Astrobytes: hehe unfortunately I understand
MSmits: not you jacek, i mean fence poles
MSmits: you gotta preempt jacek
MSmits: otherwise he's gonna go off
Astrobytes: If you've whacked off enough root though, just the hammering of the *posts* might be enough to punch downwards without trouble
MSmits: oh right, i hope so
MSmits: some of these roots have a huge diameter though
MSmits: it's like right next to where the tree was
Astrobytes: You have no choice now but to leave this as an exercise to the worker :P
MSmits: i guess so
MSmits: i worked on this 1-2 hrs a day for a month
Astrobytes: I remember you saying yeah
MSmits: i physically changed. My hands had many wounds at first
Astrobytes: Sometimes a little more now and then
MSmits: from handling the damn axe, even with gloves
MSmits: not used to the pressure
Astrobytes: yeah. Blisters on your blisters and all that. Once you push through that and get some callouses going it's fine.
MSmits: yeah it was ok after a week or two
Wontonimo: i'm glad i could add some *joy* to the end of your day
MSmits: lol
MSmits: it's not even a bad song
Astrobytes: lol, right
Astrobytes: Well, it was alright at the time. I liked it as a kid.
MSmits: yeah
Wontonimo: "i physically changed. my hands had many wounds at first" sounds like a passage from a scifi fan fiction
MSmits: i saw him at graham norton discussing the meme
MSmits: yes, like that movie annihilation
MSmits: i will turn into a tree now
Astrobytes: :o
MSmits: i liked that movie, watch it if you havent
MSmits: netflix i think
MSmits: one of the first big streaming only movies i think, pre-pandemic
Astrobytes: Yeah, I remember you recommended it. It's on my list I believe
MSmits: oh ok
Astrobytes: Superb concept
Wontonimo: i have not seen Annihilation. i'll add it to the list
Wontonimo: is it like "The colour of space" ?
MSmits: yeah, it's not perfect, but it's one of those movies that sticks with you after you've seen it, you'll think about it from time to time and will rewatch it at some point
MSmits: dont remember colour of space
Wontonimo: everything starts to mutate
MSmits: oh
Wontonimo: and merge with other things
MSmits: well there's some of that I guess
Wontonimo: so a cow and a goat get too close and become a two headed crazed beast
Wontonimo: the wife gets too close to some spiders and well ... you get the idea
MSmits: the movie is a bit more subtle than that, but things do change
Astrobytes: Yeah that's soooort of similar to the concept of Annihilation
Astrobytes: Do you mean Color Out of Space Wontonimo?
Wontonimo: yeah, probably
MSmits: is this a really old movie?
Wontonimo: let me gogl it
MSmits: it sounds like a movie i could not have missed
MSmits: if it was new enough
Astrobytes: Also, props for writing 'colour' not 'color' - I like that :)
Wontonimo: yes, that's the one Astrobytes
Astrobytes: Seems interesting!
Wontonimo: well, i'm in Canada, we are okay with vowels and didn't go through a dumbing down of the language like our southern neighbour
g0dfvth3r: shots fired
Wontonimo: vowels aren't scarry
Astrobytes: heh :D
MSmits: 2019!
Astrobytes: Go Go Canuck Cannon :D
MSmits: it's even got a >6 imdb rating
Astrobytes: I spend a lot of time online with Canadians
MSmits: which means it's watchable!
MSmits: wait how do i see this movie
Astrobytes: hehe you're standards are as low as mine
Wontonimo: for the interest in why American English is missing vowels , here is a good read https://qz.com/596395/the-case-of-the-missing-us-in-american-english/
Wontonimo: it's not mean about it. I was mean about it. the article is informative
MSmits: wimmen
MSmits: this makes more sense
Astrobytes: *your not you're, wtf me
MSmits: thats a bad idea
Wontonimo: language is always changing. all i have to do is listen to my kids and realize that in 2 generations I'll understand nothing
Astrobytes: Yes, well look back at some ye olde Englishe texts
Astrobytes: Right
MSmits: Wontonimo they'll change their language to conform to society partially
Wontonimo: for this reason i have huge issues with time travel movies
MSmits: so the change is more gradual than you think
Astrobytes: Esc-U-lator and mischiev-i-ous are now things
MSmits: riiight, *that* is the main issue with time travel movies :P
Wontonimo: i mean, i like time travel movies, but i cannot suspend my disbelief
Wontonimo: it is, otherwise it is totally real MSmits
MSmits: lol
Astrobytes: :D
MSmits: my problem is that they are never consistent
Wontonimo: no they are not.
MSmits: i have no problem if they use some system for it, theres different ways to go about it, but be consistent
Wontonimo: i like the idea of only being able to send your ideas back
Astrobytes: Such is the nature of time travel!
Wontonimo: not anything physical
MSmits: still have to deal with paradoxes
Wontonimo: if you send something back, but the earth has moved, do you just appear in space?
MSmits: either with alternate reality or self-prohibiting paradoxes
Wontonimo: it's just silly
Wontonimo: silly like Dungeons and Dragons and Star Trek. but i like them all
Astrobytes: I kinda liked some of the stuff in what was that movie.... Intersellar
Astrobytes: *Interstellar
Marchete: I like that movie
MSmits: I disliked 1 part of interstellar, but i realize why they did it
Astrobytes: which part
MSmits: they enormously exaggerated the time slowing effect
Wontonimo: really, in star trek you have a replicator and a teleporter, can you just replicate and teleport any repairs you need to your ship into its exact place
Wontonimo: really, it's silly
Astrobytes: Yeah, that's fair
MSmits: if time slowed as much as it did on that planet, you would be almost stuck on the event horizon
Wontonimo: not a lot of events happening on that horizon
Astrobytes: Yes. That would be an altogether very different movie
Wontonimo: what was it, 1 wave?
MSmits: yeah not much happened, but if there is enough room for a whole planet, you're already too far from the black hole
Wontonimo: the reality is that space is really boring, until you are about to die then it is terrifying. Nothing exciting about it.
Astrobytes: Wontonimo: re start trek, I think you need a signal for the transporter to lock on to, might be tricky in some circumstances
MSmits: space is yeah, the things in space arent :)
Marchete: "the reality is that space is really boring," you must be kidding
Astrobytes: It's FULL of dangerous radiation and objects of interest!
Wontonimo: i find space fascinating! Flying to mars for 8 months in a tin can smaller than my bedroom would be boring
Astrobytes: What's not to love? :D
MSmits: well it's mostly empty
Astrobytes: 'empty'
Marchete: with "infinite speed" it must be really cool to visit
MSmits: well both full and empty are a bit hard to define here :)
Marchete: all stars and that
Astrobytes: I mean, yes, it is 'space' - but it's hidden space that's a lot of fun :)
MSmits: hidden space?
Astrobytes: things in 'space' we cannot see :P
MSmits: sounds like a secret mancave tbh
Astrobytes: hahahaha
Wontonimo: There is a serious lack of pizza restaurants in space
Astrobytes: So THAT's what dark matter is
MSmits: sure :P
MSmits: I dont like pizza :P
Wontonimo: but i do love researching and learning about space
MSmits: in fact i'd do great in space, nutrition-wise, I already basically live on space-food :P
Wontonimo: excellent
Astrobytes: Me too. I try to distance myself from everything and everyone at all times.
Astrobytes: I'm literally a Space Man
Wontonimo: you can join Musk on his mars colonization
Astrobytes: (sorry :D )
Wontonimo: i'm kidding
MSmits: I had a very weird scifi dream the other day where black holes appeared in the sky over a planet
Wontonimo: nice
MSmits: i was pretty shaken when i woke up
Wontonimo: what happened?
Astrobytes: Good lord. Imagine being stuck on Mars with Elon Musk
Wontonimo: lol
Astrobytes: Nice!
Wontonimo: lol 2 that also
Wontonimo: okay, gotta go pick up the pizza i ordered
MSmits: and then i realized it made no sense because the holes would have fallen into the center of the planets and the dream made no sense. That gave me a sense of relief somehow
Astrobytes: I always have these kind of weird dreams, either action scifi, or horror-scifi
Wontonimo: it could have been orbiting in geo - stationary
MSmits: well it was pretty close to the surface
MSmits: but sure, good point
Astrobytes: Yeah but the beauty of dreams is the impossibility!
MSmits: i literally had conversations with people explaining to them the hole didnt just look cool but would suck up all the atmosphere and they'd choke to dead
Astrobytes: (actual dreams I mean, not #lifegoals dreams)
MSmits: in my dream i was smits-splaning
MSmits: splaining
Astrobytes: Hahaha. Sermons all dream-long
MSmits: yeah, as i said, weird dream :P
MSmits: unsettling
MSmits: cant call it a nightmare though
Astrobytes: If my dreams are not weird I regard it as unusual
kosmas12: If my dreams are not weird then something's off
MSmits: yeah but in my case i dont usually remember them
kosmas12: Hello I'm new here
MSmits: and also, they are not so scientifically accurate
Astrobytes: I've had crazy vivid and pretty exciting dreams since I can remember
MSmits: kosmas12 hi
kosmas12: Hello
MSmits: I can usually guess why i dreamed something and relate it to something i was doing the last day
Astrobytes: MSmits: Dreams are not supposed to be scientifically accurate. I defy physics in many :D
MSmits: but the black hole thing came outta nowhere
MSmits: Astrobytes i know thats why it was weird
Astrobytes: hi kosmas12
kosmas12: I have nightmares more commonly than science-defying dreams
MSmits: maybe my subconscious is protesting that i am stopping the physics teaching
kosmas12: That's not often, but last time I saw a nightmare I was devastated for a whole month and it still affects me a little bit lol
Marchete: are you on vacation, MSmits?
Astrobytes: I do dream about code and stuff, algorithms, eval functions etc now and then too, usually followed up by some kind of alien invasion dream
MSmits: Marchete yes and no. This week just grading stuff, next week mostly meetings at work and then it's summer vacation
kosmas12: I rarely see dreams with code, but when I do, they usually hold the solution to a problem that's been troubling me for a long time
Marchete: lucky you
Marchete: 2 full months?
MSmits: yeah i guess so, mostly i feel relieved my studies are done
MSmits: well if you count these 2 weeks as vacation then yes 2
MSmits: but it's officially 6 weeks off
Astrobytes: kosmas12: yeah, in an abstract way for me though
struct: nice
MSmits: I always do somewhere between 3 days and 2 weeks of work during summer vacation
MSmits: dont have so much this time though
MSmits: kosmas12 i had dreams of code during some contests
MSmits: i woke up with a function in my mind and ran to the pc
Astrobytes: right, I'm leaving my BT where it is right now for now. Right between euler and darkhorse. 26th.
kosmas12: I've never taken part in coding contests
MSmits: we have them twice a year now
MSmits: here
Astrobytes: MSmits: I usually write it on a notepad near my bed.
kosmas12: I feel like I'd lose if I did due to how my creative/algorithmic thinking skills are usually non existent lol
Astrobytes: Or get up early.
MSmits: yeah thats probably smarter, but my pc is quite close to the bed
Astrobytes: So is mine admittedly
MSmits: kosmas12 there is a whole range between winning and losing. There's usually 7k registered players these days
MSmits: you dont have to be 1st :)
MSmits: I never have anyways
kosmas12: Indeed but I'd definitely be close to last place
Astrobytes: kosmas12 you can learn a whoooole lot of stuff just participating
MSmits: doubt that
MSmits: it really doesnt take much more than basic programming and persistence to get to the top half
MSmits: that should be doable in 11 days
kosmas12: Well I've been coding in C for a year, walked into the kernel realm, done some basic game dev, generally done lots of stuff
kosmas12: Does that seem eligible enough?
MSmits: then you'd be fine
Astrobytes: 100%
MSmits: sounds like CG is a good fit for you
MSmits: thats right about where it's comfortable to start
kosmas12: CG = CodinGame?
MSmits: yeah
Marchete: kernel code? then yes
MSmits: i think you're about as educated on coding as i was when i got here. Having done a bunch of random stuff
kosmas12: Most of the programming I've done is actually kernel level (see the first thing I ever did was make homebrew for the original Xbox, and stuff runs on kernel mode there)
Astrobytes: You did kernel stuff too MSmits?
Marchete: unrelated: I managed to get a top5 like oware bot with 40min of training, from scratch
MSmits: i experimented with compute shaders, modded/scripted for games and i did a lot of VBA for work
MSmits: oh and stuff in unity (hence the compute shaders)
kosmas12: I was reading a book about learning C# today and received an email from CodinGame and was like "Hey I should probably get into it, I want to improve my thinking"
Astrobytes: Oh I remember your shader fun
kosmas12: I didn't even know this thing had a chat, so that's even better
Astrobytes: For algorithms and stuff you're in the right place
Marchete: yeah
Marchete: chat is source nº1 for learning
MSmits: kosmas12 you can use many languages here
Marchete: trust us
kosmas12: I've had the account for a while now but rarely touched it
Astrobytes: +1 Marchete
MSmits: chat can get fairly random, but if you have an interesting question you can steer it your way pretty easily :)
kosmas12: Yeah the XboxDev Discord server is how I learnt lots of stuff
Astrobytes: We also have a discord
kosmas12: I saw it and joined
Marchete: chat goes from potato salad to the highest search algorithm in seconds
Astrobytes: oh nice one
Astrobytes: Marchete :rofl: so true
kosmas12: I can definitely see that happening hehe
MSmits: kosmas12 what would you like to do on CG? There is a lot
kosmas12: I mean this is a coding platform after all
kosmas12: I want to learn about data structures and stuff, I know certain languages to a very good level but never touched anything of the sort
MSmits: I think the most unique part of CG is the emphasis on AI
Astrobytes: Yep.
MSmits: but tons of puzzles here too
kosmas12: Also fun fact I'm here at 1:37AM lol
MSmits: ahh yes, 1 hour in the future
kosmas12: We have flying cars, it's great
Astrobytes: 23.38 here
MSmits: lol
MSmits: backward country eh?
Astrobytes: I couldn't say it any better myself MSmits :D
MSmits: for some reason I have been rewatching some hitchens debates
Astrobytes: kosmas12: as long as you're prepared to put in the effort to learn this website will serve you well
MSmits: so been seeing lots of English stuff
kosmas12: I'm looking forward to being part of this community, you seem like good people and the website indeed looks promising
Astrobytes: Christopher > Peter; Though I would argue hard with both MSmits :D
MSmits: cool, welcome kosmas12
kosmas12: Thank you
LeviathanProgramming: Yeah. I love the UI and I'm addicted to CoC now, kosmas12.
MSmits: yeah I meant *the* hitch
Marchete: step 1, pick an avatar
Astrobytes: Turning into squiddy there Marchete :D
Astrobytes: lol MSmits
kosmas12: Anyway going to sleep now
Astrobytes: And yeah, welcome kosmas12
kosmas12: Goodnight my friends
Astrobytes: goodnight!
MSmits: gn, I am too.
MSmits: early day tomorrow. Gotta watch the poles go in
Astrobytes: think I'll do one too
Astrobytes: Up at 6 or 7
MSmits: something like that
Astrobytes: lol
Astrobytes: goodnight all
MSmits: gn
Astrobytes: oh - Marchete: what is your Breakthrough bot?
struct: gn
Marchete: I can't even remember, probably some minimax
struct: do you prune moves at all on bt?
struct: there are many moves
Astrobytes: Yeah.
Marchete: yes
Astrobytes: Not enough currently but yeah
Astrobytes: anyway, take care all
Astrobytes: gn
struct: cya and gn
LeviathanProgramming: dead chat :(
struct: its normal at this time
struct: most users are european
struct: I think
LeviathanProgramming: I'm american.
LeviathanProgramming: I've been doing CoC all day almost
Marchete: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/multi-oware-abapa/Marchete
Marchete: it's not looking bad
Marchete: 1 hour training
struct: wow
struct: nice
Marchete: from newbie to master in 1 single hour
struct: very good job Marchete
Marchete: it's still at 50% submit
Marchete: but it's nice that it learned that fast
struct: what score was it before?
Marchete: 4th-6th
Marchete: so not much difference
Marchete: but I wasn't able to train that fast
Marchete: damn now I get a lot of losses :)
Marchete: but well
Marchete: nvm
struct: its not a big difference in rank
struct: but its a big difference in elo
Marchete: i'd say +1.5
Marchete: or maybe 2.0 improvement
Marchete: naah
Marchete: it was just a lucky submit :S
Marchete: well
Marchete: sleep time then
Marchete: good night struct
struct: gn
cViper971: how do i remove the .0 when doing floor function
Wontonimo: int()
cViper971: its giving a syntax error
cViper971: int(Math.floor(num))
cViper971: is what i tried
TwilightSnowflake_d0e3: did you add ; after that line?
cViper971: i had to do (int)(Math.floor(num))
cViper971: i was using java
Evilc6: ah yes
Evilc6: java you have to use explicit type casting
cViper971: is it possible to see the input for test cases
Sprinklator: Just print them out after you read them
maniacbusterBL4Z3: how to solve the descent game using python 3?
PhysBoom: Is it possible for me to see my ranking in code golf?
PhysBoom: ah i guess I can
hsm_akb: guys im having a problem in my code
