jinbr: how can i go to silver level?
TeachMeSenpai: its okay, you can start a new tomorrow
MiyamuraIzumi: silver is not hard to achive
MiyamuraIzumi: just try a bit
ShauryaS: henglo
Plantchant: Check livestream tab and join us >:D
nickeyminasj: :disappointed:
nickeyminasj: hi guys
nickeyminasj: can anyone help
KP56: what's your problem
Lokesh_Shelva: how do u create a private clash
Uljahn: oO
Uljahn: Lokesh_Shelva: click "Start a private Clash" at the bottom of https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/clashofcode page
NasrAllah: by left clicking on clash page
VoidMakerDR: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1830448a5ed10f14fe0b00ffe07ad4eae7814da
KiwiTae: hello my darlings
KiwiTae: o/
SuryaTheOP: haii everyone
KP56: hello
SuryaTheOP: hello
Xzoky174: hi
simone.pelloni: tanta
fyseus: how to deal with "Clash of Code is meant for human coders only, please prove you aren't a bot!"
TFeld: click it
fyseus: i find nothing to click:joy:
Makiyu: hru guys?
Uljahn: fyseus: to see the captcha you need to enable google services
fyseus: ok,i will try it latter
Uljahn: i guess it's blocked in china
fyseus: yes, it's actually blocked..
KP56: bruh
derjack: oO
Freeborn-coder: hello everyone, while taking the onboarding skill test, something important came up, i had to submit the test without answering anything. Can i take the test again?
Nekko551XD: yes but it's puzzle so it doesn't matter how many times you retake it
Nekko551XD: tries aren't limited by number nor time
Lokesh_Shelva: is there a way for continue clash of code in private clash
Lokesh_Shelva: or we have to start a new clash everytime?
KP56: what is the shortest mode in COC about?
Andriamanitra: it's about pain and suffering and losing to ruby and perl
KP56: but
KP56: what are the rules
KP56: who wins
Andriamanitra: whoever gets the highest percentage of tests correct using fewest characters
KP56: ah ok
Andriamanitra: i think time is used as tiebreaker if two people get for example 100% with 86 characters but it's mostly just about code golf tricks
KP56: ah ok
KP56: if the output has to be "true" can it be "True" too?
Andriamanitra: nope
KP56: bruh
Andriamanitra: has to be exact
Andriamanitra: the contribution guidelines say such outputs should be avoided but there are still plenty of bad clashes in circulation
KP56: ah ok
AntiSquid: anyone know a good paper on clashes?
PoopyCoder123: what is a 'paper'
leviisbadatvalorant: big boobs
homo_sapien: yes
leviisbadatvalorant: idk how to do any of this my teacher is making me do it
NasrAllah: :money_mouth:
homo_sapien: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/0ebac766-c09d-4628-ae8c-3918481927c3
homo_sapien: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/09ed2319-354e-484a-8b26-6588e0d7a41e
homo_sapien: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/fac6e17c-7bfb-45b1-bd22-3019f47bc98a
homo_sapien: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/6bcaadf7-fa55-445b-890e-8f7c74a64761
homo_sapien: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ecc550a6-710d-422a-a927-d34709681f26
homo_sapien: E
homo_sapien: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/88e8d6f2-04b8-4c16-82b7-52780f4f9fe9
donutdisturb69: Kappa
homo_sapien: no
Tron9000: no
donutdisturb69: yes
homo_sapien: :santa_tone3:
Astrobytes: Stop spamming crap and do your schoolwork.
Tron9000: No
Astrobytes: bye
homo_sapien: how bout no
homo_sapien: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/bd0fda3b-9038-46ae-985d-b12dc4807cc1
homo_sapien: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/6b9e8916-5b6d-4bb0-ad71-acaa331c79f2
homo_sapien: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/268ca3b1-3e58-400b-bd10-385f90889043
Astrobytes: 2 kicked, ban next time
serge42: guehehe
donutdisturb69: oh god
zombiepug5000: no
zombiepug5000: no
zombiepug5000: no
zombiepug5000: no
zombiepug5000: no
donutdisturb69: nice
zombiepug5000: no
zombiepug5000: no
donutdisturb69: no
zombiepug5000: no
donutdisturb69: no
donutdisturb69: no
PoopyCoder123: my ass
Tron9000: no
sprkrd: good heavens, what's happening today?
Wontonimo: what has become of world chat? Oh, I miss the days of the last competition when intelligent conversation existed here
sprkrd: the kick/ban festival, I assume
Astrobytes: They're all kicked/banned
macs_smells: poopoo
leviisbadatvalorant: i did a code in 8 secs
sprkrd: hey, there's a new one
leviisbadatvalorant: 0%
Wontonimo: nice leviisbadatvalorant , what was the challenge?
Wontonimo: oh, 0%. yeah, I too can get 0% in 8 sec lol
sprkrd: AntiSquid what do you mean by "a good paper on clashes"?
Wontonimo: I was going to ask the same :)
Astrobytes: I think it was a joke.
fyseus: funny
leviisbadatvalorant: why did macs_smells get banned ?
sprkrd: that was one of my two main assumptions
Astrobytes: when you introduce yourself with "poopoo"...
Astrobytes: And you're all from the same class...
leviisbadatvalorant: unban him please
Astrobytes: No.
leviisbadatvalorant: tits
leviisbadatvalorant: no
leviisbadatvalorant: that was him
Astrobytes: Bye bye
Astrobytes: Now they're harassing me in DMs
ashton642: wow
sprkrd: oh god
Wontonimo: sigh
Astrobytes: Like I care.
homo_sapien: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1ba2dbb5-572a-4725-8f2e-e187e6315865
Astrobytes: he's banned now, was only kicked previously
sprkrd: which age are these students? 9 years old?
Astrobytes: I assume so. Mentally at least.
Wontonimo: Do you have an option to temporarily stop new joiners from joining world chat? Or target a whole IP range?
MrRin: print(str(next_checkpoint_x) + " " + str(next_checkpoint_y) + thrust)
Astrobytes: No. And that would also ruin it for the other students who aren't spamming
MrRin: Sorry, sent in wrong palce
sprkrd: i'm thinking if they're doing an assignment, probably they don't need the chat anyway
Wontonimo: looks like you are exchanging notes on now to play Coders Strikes Back MrRin
Astrobytes: There are a lot of features missing from the web chat, it't never gonna be fixed or updated though sadly.
Wontonimo: agreed sprkrd
Astrobytes: *it's
PoopyCoder123: astrobytes why did you kick me
Astrobytes: Yeah, you occasionally get the odd one who asks a pertinent question in chat
Wontonimo: first, check out your user name
PoopyCoder123: my username is completely appropriate
PoopyCoder123: oh damn 500th thats insane
Astrobytes: also "my ass" wasn't a particularly endearing thing to say was it?
Wontonimo: next, reconsider that statement
PoopyCoder123: all right im sorry
PoopyCoder123: but i will become first one day
Astrobytes: cool, lets move on
Wontonimo: are you working on Coders Strikes Back ?
PoopyCoder123: whats that
Wontonimo: what are you working in here?
PoopyCoder123: just clash of code?
sprkrd: I believe this gentleman is not from the students group, Wontonimo
PoopyCoder123: whats the student's group?
PoopyCoder123: because im a student
Wontonimo: there are gentlemen here? lol
Astrobites: YOOOO
Astrobites: ight im out
Astrobytes: 0/10 for originality
KiwiTae: ><
PoopyCoder123: Oh my astrobytes is 285
PoopyCoder123: thats even more insane
Wontonimo: wow Astrobytes, I see two of you. it's just sooooo confusing. I can't tell who is who .... is it you with rank 27600000th or the one with the moderator icon ?
Astrobytes: :grin:
Astrobytes: 285th :(
I need to fix that
PoopyCoder123: :joy:
PoopyCoder123: btw what is coder's strike back
PoopyCoder123: it seems interesting
KP56: its a game you can bot on this website
Wontonimo: Change your name please then I'll tell you. it is cool
KP56: its about racing
Astrobytes: A multiplayer bot programming game
PoopyCoder123: how to change name
Wontonimo: top right
Astrobytes: Settings
KP56: imagine calling yourself "poopy"
KP56: couldnt be me
ChickenCoder123: right ok i changed it
ChickenCoder123: so a multiplayer bot programming game?
Wontonimo: sigh ... my rank just keeps dropping. It would go back up if I jumped on CoC, but that's a hamster wheel I'm giving up on
Wontonimo: Nice new name ChickenCoder123
Wontonimo: yeah i'll get a link for you
Wontonimo: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/coders-strike-back
Astrobytes: Only temporarily though Wontonimo. Not worth the effort imo
ChickenCoder123: wait the rank is more than just clash of code?
Astrobytes: Yes. I don't clash at all.
ChickenCoder123: oh
KiwiTae: clash of code gives u up to 5000pts
Wontonimo: yes, Clash of Code is only a very very small part of rank
KiwiTae: so small
Astrobytes: oh hey KiwiTae
sprkrd: you could just try to reach gold in every multi, Wontonimo
Wontonimo: tiny even
Wontonimo: I'm going for Legend sprkrd :D
Astrobytes: Legend or delete :D
sprkrd: Sure, like everyone
Wontonimo: 100%
ChickenCoder123: just wait a week ill be up to top 1000
Wontonimo: do it ChickenCoder123 ! I support your ambition
KiwiTae: im going for silver in coders of caribbean >< will see
KiwiTae: ChickenCoder123 good luck
sprkrd: but if you're concerned about the rank mainly, you can set gold in every multi as a first stop
ChickenCoder123: what is multi
sprkrd: activities>compete>bot programming
sprkrd: those are multiplayer games
Wontonimo: i'm unconcerned about rank
sprkrd: ah, then all is good
ChickenCoder123: wise indeed
Wontonimo: ChickenCoder123 Coders Strikes Back is a "multi" https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/coders-strike-back
ChickenCoder123: ah i see
ja_fica: Connect4 is cool if you want to try
Wontonimo: Show us your stuff ChickenCoder123 and get to Bronze in Coders Strikes Back. You should be able to get there by just flying straight at the checkpoint and slowing down a bit when you are within 1000 of it
Wontonimo: I haven't started on Connect4 yet. Started porting my UTTT code, but then got distracted with work
sprkrd: stupid work
sprkrd: always distracting from the important things
ja_fica: code transfer from UTTT works pretty well
ja_fica: But in connect for you can predict up to 3 plays ahead for each node while UTTT I can only predict the next one
ja_fica: *C4
ja_fica: Binary tricks for life
ChickenCoder123: I was too confused for connect 4
ChickenCoder123: i didnt know what to do apart from not placing it on a full column
sprkrd: but you do know now?
ja_fica: Its good to apply simulation on a time bukket
ja_fica: minmax or MTCS are greate
ja_fica: *great
ja_fica: or both (MTCS solver - better version)
Wontonimo: I agree sprkrd , work is such a drag
ChickenCoder123: hey um for the coders stikes back thing can the angle of the next checkpoint be negative?
sprkrd: yup
sprkrd: it's between -180 and 180
ChickenCoder123: oh that makes sense
sprkrd: the ranges of the inputs should be at the end of the statement
General_Imaginaer: Hello World
sprkrd: yo, my favorite rammstein fan
General_Imaginaer: nahhh , iam not a special rammstein fan i am only a fan of music :)
Astrobytes: I love Rammstein
Astrobytes: And music, generally
General_Imaginaer: I love all kind of Music .. i think it depends on the emotione i have or i want.
General_Imaginaer: emotione=mood
Astrobytes: I agree
sprkrd: all kinds? really?
sprkrd: i'm good at finding counterexamples
General_Imaginaer: yeah no joke , i can hear all if i am in mood ^^
Astrobytes: I'm not a fan of classical opera. I think that's about it
darkhorse64: chvrches, a nice scottish band
darkhorse64: ?
Astrobytes: Yes, they're pretty good
General_Imaginaer: let me check that :P
sprkrd: here's one for you, General_Imaginaer, lover of all kinds of music
sprkrd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWVUp12XPpU
sprkrd: John Cage, 4'33
darkhorse64: I have heard there will be a new album (not the compilation). Also a new single with Robert Smith
General_Imaginaer: chvrches dont sound bad ^^
BlaiseEbuth: Oh the 4'33 ^^
Astrobytes: with Robert Smith! Nice
Astrobytes: lol, classic
darkhorse64: Their first album is still the best for me
darkhorse64: Others are fine though
General_Imaginaer: @sprkrd ok i test that ^^
Wontonimo: Hey ChickenCoder123, you submitted a bot! Good for you, and you've already got out of wood 3 and 2
Astrobytes: Can't say I disagree there darkhorse64
General_Imaginaer: why i have the feeling they dont will play sound xD?!
sprkrd: :D
sprkrd: It's 4 minutes and 33 seconds of silence
Astrobytes: *ambience
General_Imaginaer: i like that ... but i would not buy the cd ^^
Astrobytes: what did he call it? Unintentional sounds only, as all sound can be considered music
BlaiseEbuth: General_Imaginaer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It5vKbJvgmw
General_Imaginaer: The best is the emotion from john cage ... like he feel something xD
Westicles: Nice protest. No masks even
General_Imaginaer: lol @blaiseebuth, thats a good song and a good interpretation :P
BlaiseEbuth: The yodle is fire. ^^
General_Imaginaer: ^^
General_Imaginaer: good in combination with some beer
General_Imaginaer: rofl .... for the next celebration i need all songs from this dudes :P
General_Imaginaer: For the Summer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSwQ1icECNg
General_Imaginaer: btw they are from austrian
Westicles: How about some mongolian throat singing?
Westicles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LPoWiU9PPo
BlaiseEbuth: That's pretty cool. I saw the Hu in concert two years ago.
Astrobytes: Nice!
Astrobytes: I like their stuff
General_Imaginaer: @westicles Thats a cool desert adventure xD
General_Imaginaer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44Dls5kugck Sounds a little bit like a death metal singer xD
General_Imaginaer: after 0:50
Astrobytes: General_Imaginaer: check the Hu that BlaiseEbuth mentioned, they do metal stuff with throat singing
BlaiseEbuth: ^
General_Imaginaer: ok the last , i need to solve some puzzles :O)
General_Imaginaer: yeah , they come in my muscle training set xD
General_Imaginaer: playlist
General_Imaginaer: Ok thanks for all this new music ... new was to torture my friends :P
General_Imaginaer: wys
darkhorse64: chvrches is not torture more heavenly stuff
Astrobytes: yeah, Lauren has a lovely voice
General_Imaginaer: all of this songs was not realy torture ... that is that what i mean its mutch about mood and the mood you want ... you own experience and more ...
General_Imaginaer: its like colors ... we interpret it ... , and some pictures are cool other are realy bad
General_Imaginaer: but you will find for every bad picture someone who would say that is nice
Astrobytes: Sure, one persons trash is anothers treasure
General_Imaginaer: right
General_Imaginaer: and find a good chartbreaker song is like find a song that the most of people like
Astrobytes: that's a whole other discussion :P
General_Imaginaer: hehe
kyoya34: hello
nickeyminasj: hi
nickeyminasj: thoughts on pineapple on pixxa?
Uljahn: ask Automaton2000
Automaton2000: i'm doing the coders strike back?
Brejchys: how can I play the card games?
ChickenCoder123: hey guys for coders strick back how long does the boost last?
Wontonimo: 1 turn i thought
ChickenCoder123: how long is that?
ChickenCoder123: is one turn like one loop?
Wontonimo: 1 step. just 1.
Brejchys: well, how do you make it to go only once?
ChickenCoder123: if i play with 100 thrust for just one turn how far in pixels will that get me
Wontonimo: it depends what your previous speed was
KP56: let me calculate
Wontonimo: because there is drag
KP56: if your initial speed is 0
Uljahn: boost is 650 thrust
Wontonimo: i think the info in the write up explains the exact calculation
KP56: i think it will get you around 400-500 units forward
ChickenCoder123: in wood 1 league, (where i am right now) all it says is that you can use boost to increase speed just once
KP56: yes
ChickenCoder123: oh thanks k056
ChickenCoder123: kp56*
KP56: yes but it will keep doing it for a while
KP56: it will take around 5 loops
KP56: to move 400-500 units
KP56: if you keep applying 100 thrust during them
KP56: it will be even more
ChickenCoder123: oh
KP56: the best way to use boost would be to store all distances between checkpoints during the first lap and then just use it once you pass the one which there is the highest distance to the next one
KP56: i dont know if it makes sense
ChickenCoder123: yeah right now all i have is the distance to the next checkpoint
KP56: and checkpointX and checkpointY
KP56: right?
ChickenCoder123: yeah
ChickenCoder123: only next_checkpoint x and y btw
KP56: in c++ its called differentely
ChickenCoder123: oh
KP56: store the shortest distance in a variable and a pair of checpointX and checkpointY and if the distance you find is lower than the one which is in the variable then override that pair of coordinates with the one which you are presented during that loop
KP56: you can also keep track of all pairs and if you find a duplicate, it means that you have completed the first lap
KP56: and then you just wait until you pass the checkpoint before the one you have saved
KP56: and you use boost
ChickenCoder123: yeah that makes sense
ChickenCoder123: i guess theres some small details i might have to worry about
ChickenCoder123: for example if there are two or three checkpoints with same distance between each other
KP56: then it doesnt matter
KP56: your program will save the first one
KP56: and since its the same distance it doesnt matter which one you use boost for
KP56: you need to make sure the angle is low before you use boost
ChickenCoder123: it might in the sense that the program will think one loop is finished when in fact we havent finished a lap and there is a checkpoint with higher distance
Wontonimo: have either of you heard of the -3v algo for Coders Strikes Back ?
KP56: yeah
KP56: i tried it out and got to silver
KP56: it was my own implementation of it, there may be a room for optimization
KP56: and i calculated velocity and used it instead of thrust
Wontonimo: it'll get you to gold without much alteration
KP56: for now im working on a simulation
KP56: it would be a very simple one - no collisions just thrust
Wontonimo: how about you ChickenCoder123, have you heard about the -3v algo?
ChickenCoder123: nah
ChickenCoder123: literally just started this
ChickenCoder123: but don't tel me about it
Wontonimo: ok
Wontonimo: but i already did
Wontonimo: lol
ChickenCoder123: like dont tell me how it works
KP56: i was about to
KP56: lmao
KP56: if you run a simulation it will perform better than it and at some point you will need to implement a simulation
KP56: so it wouldnt be a huge problem
Wontonimo: i will tell you this, go to the leaderboard and watch replays of people who are beating you or who are way higher than you. Turn on debug and watch how they are different.
KP56: i mean the name of this algho speaks for itself lmao
ChickenCoder123: i haven't actually played in arena too much yet cos i was eating dinner
KP56: im wondering if you can get to legend without predicting collisions
Wontonimo: you can
KP56: oh nice
KP56: if thats the case, if i didnt mess anything up, i should be there in like an hour
Wontonimo: with 5 look aheads for checkpoint touching only
KP56: oh ok
KP56: i was thinking about simulating entire laps (once i pass the first one so i know all checkpoint positions)
KP56: and since im coding it in c++, it should be efficient enough to not get a timeout
KP56: can anyone tell me why there is an error in this c++ class?
KP56: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/cb39859c-57c9-45ca-9c92-2a1f56872c17
KP56: it keeps telling me my constructor should initialize location
Wontonimo: I just looked at your current replay KP56 and you arn't using -3v
Uljahn: don't spend much efforts in silver, gold rules are very different
KP56: yeah im not because i ran just 100 thrust last time
KP56: to see how far i can get lmao
Wontonimo: well you are not initializing location
KP56: i am in the constructor
KP56: but it keeps telling me my constructor does not do it
Wontonimo: where in the code are you calling the constructor?
Wontonimo: okay, now's the time I admit my c++ ignorance. I just hack c++
kyoya34: hello
struct: he is not calling it, but he has the constructor there
struct: is the Checkpoint(Point location)
Astrobytes: I think he means where in the rest of his code is he calling it ;)
Astrobytes: Maybe he's just doing Checkpoint cp; since there's no default constructor that might do it
**nickeyminasj cry
Plantchant: cry
nickeyminasj: cry
Nikita2003: cry
Nikita2003: cry
Nikita2003: cry
Nikita2003: cry
Nikita2003: cry
**nickeyminasj slaps Nikita2003 around a bit with a large fishbot
Astrobytes: beat me to it
Plantchant: thats a lot of cry
TeachMeSenpai: ;o
Max98: why are all the private clash of code games so much easier then the public ones? And why can't you just hit play again?
KP56: what changes in gold in coders strike back?
Astrobytes: Most of the inputs
Astrobytes: Unfortunately.
KP56: you dont get nextCheckpointAngle?
Brejchys: wtf is this
struct: you do
Brejchys: coders strike back
Brejchys: my speed doesnt change
Brejchys: at all
Astrobytes: You do. You get a lot more additional info too.
struct: But you get all checkpoints at the start of the game
Astrobytes: And velocity etc
Dragon84: Hey guys
Astrobytes: hi
KP56: oh i used to calculate velocity by hand
KP56: good to know
Astrobytes: Yeah, it's rather annoying.
Brejchys: why does the simulation of battle against the boss not show?
Brejchys: it caltulates but doesnt show anything
struct: refresh the page
struct: I thing its a bug
MiyamuraIzumi: ha ha
MiyamuraIzumi: hi guys
struct: hi
fyseus: hi
Brejchys: yes
Brejchys: was a bug
MiyamuraIzumi: :confused:
MiyamuraIzumi: :kiss_ww:
Brejchys: i think i just defeated boss 3
MiyamuraIzumi: ?
MiyamuraIzumi: which game?
Brejchys: coders strike back
Brejchys: yes
tommaso.castello: Rn i'm 2nd in silver and I'm waiting to be promoted in gold in coders strike back
MiyamuraIzumi: a lot of new comer for csb
MiyamuraIzumi: congratulate
tommaso.castello: ty
Brejchys: i am getting better every second
Brejchys: in bronze tho
tommaso.castello: I made it from bronze to gold without changing the code
Brejchys: lol?
Brejchys: i mean
Brejchys: it does make sense
Brejchys: since most of the game seems like about the best way to use your speed to your advantage
Brejchys: so
Brejchys: if you can do that you can probably push far
tommaso.castello: yes, silver only adds the shield but not even the boss uses it lol
Brejchys: what is a shield?
tommaso.castello: when you activate it, the engine stops for three cycles but if someone gets on you it is thrown farther
Brejchys: ahhh
Brejchys: so it sounds strong
Brejchys: if it sends him away from his next target
tommaso.castello: The problem is, you don't know if you are helping him or not
Brejchys: you probably can figure it out
Brejchys: based on your x,y
struct: its not very usefull on silver
Brejchys: his x,y
Brejchys: and next checkpoint x,y
struct: you only need shield at top legend
Brejchys: right?
tommaso.castello: yeah
Brejchys: does it make sense to ever go 0 speed?
Brejchys: i dont think so :D
tommaso.castello: i just go always at 100
Brejchys: really?
Brejchys: thats pretty stupid i think
Brejchys: i mean
Brejchys: you need to slow down before a checkpoint
Brejchys: to maximize your results
tommaso.castello: i turn before the checkpoint
Brejchys: ohhh
Brejchys: you can see where next checkpoint will be?
Brejchys: like if you are going to 2nd you can see 3rd x,y:
Brejchys: ?
tommaso.castello: no but i remember them for the 2nd lap
Brejchys: oh shit
Brejchys: thats some next level
tommaso.castello: ty
Brejchys: is there always 4 checkpoints?
tommaso.castello: nope
Brejchys: but is it always the same?
Brejchys: or dynamic?
tommaso.castello: dynamic
Brejchys: oh
Brejchys: so how do you remember them?
tommaso.castello: when i see that nextX changes i save them in an array
tommaso.castello: when i see that nextCheckpointX c
tommaso.castello: ops
Brejchys: ?
Brejchys: right
Brejchys: thats really cool
tommaso.castello: I save the x and y values of the checkpoint when I see them change and when the value is equal to the first I know that I have done the first lap
Brejchys: i understand
Brejchys: sorry for the ?
tommaso.castello: np
Wontonimo: hey, congrats on getting to 2nd place in Silver tommaso.castello
tommaso.castello: Ty
Brejchys: what time can you get to better league?
tommaso.castello: 1 min and 12 sec
Brejchys: so you have to be 1st or 2nd for 1 min and 12 sec?
tommaso.castello: no untill 17:16 for some reasons
Brejchys: oh what
Brejchys: so the next time i can get better is tommorow?
tommaso.castello: idk the time changes
Wontonimo: it says at the top of your IDE
tommaso.castello: for gold leage is at 23:14 now
KiwiTae: Brejchys nah once your bot settles above the boss , you just need to wait, no matter the results of new battles
KP56: who wants to play in a private clash
Wontonimo: nope
Wontonimo: it's against my religion
Wontonimo: or I need to walk my dog
ChickenCoder123: hey um i dont get it im winning against this boss but im still not going into the next league
KP56: it is possible
Wontonimo: oh?
Wontonimo: your battles have to finish
KP56: some algorithms are better against the bot itself and others against other players
KP56: has happened to me before
Wontonimo: and the timer in your IDE may say it can take a few minutes or hours
ChickenCoder123: which timer
KP56: on top of your screen there will be atimer if you can get to the next league
Wontonimo: you are not better than the boss
Wontonimo: submit to arena and you have to beat all the people in your league and the boss
ChickenCoder123: oh ok
Wontonimo: you probably only beat the boss in "play my code"
ChickenCoder123: yeah
Wontonimo: but you have to beat everyone in "test in arena"
Wontonimo: cool!
ChickenCoder123: are they different bosses?
Wontonimo: nope, same boss, but "test in arena" will make your bot play dozens of games, and it has to win more on average against the boss and the other top players for you to get promoted
Wontonimo: not just 1 win
ChickenCoder123: i see..
Wontonimo: win on average
ChickenCoder123: wait i was rated 200 and i just dropped to 950 in like seconds
Wontonimo: yup, happens
Wontonimo: your ranking is based on your win/loss - 3 * standard deviation of your win/loss
ChickenCoder123: bruhh how do you know this
Wontonimo: if your bot is inconsistent it will rank lower than a similar win/loss bot that is consistent
Wontonimo: i hang out in world chat a lot
Wontonimo: and talk to the mods
Wontonimo: nicely ;)
ChickenCoder123: lmao
NasrAllah: where i can find
NasrAllah: leaderboards
NasrAllah: okay found it thanks
elderlybeginner: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/4d85973d-2e64-4b14-8b26-2060307f8ac2
elderlybeginner: oh, pastebin goes automaticly
BlaiseEbuth: for?
derjack: while!
Astrobytes: do while!!
BlaiseEbuth: li = [1, 2, 4, 6]
SubwayMan: Hi, what's the proper keybind for copy pasting from vim mode in editor?
SubwayMan: "*y is not working for me, and neither is the typical ctrl C
BlaiseEbuth: :help
BlaiseEbuth: and then rtfm
BlaiseEbuth: :p
derjack: vim is so addictive. i cant quit :(
Astrobytes: :smirk:
BlaiseEbuth: is :help working ?
SubwayMan: Doesn't seem to be
BlaiseEbuth: Anyway tha depend of your mode
SubwayMan: yeah I tried it in visual mode
SubwayMan: as well as normal
KP56: VIM is the only proper IDE
struct: When i activate vim by mistake the only way to get out is to shutdown the computer
KP56: even though it's not an IDE
KP56: everything else is inefficient
SubwayMan: @struct just :q!
BlaiseEbuth: in visual mode once the text selected the default copy key is y
SubwayMan: or :wq
KP56: vim is the only one which doesnt require you to use mouse
KP56: to edit
KP56: so its the best one
struct: I like my mouse
SubwayMan: @BlaiseEbuth yes but that doesn't copy to clipboard I believe
BlaiseEbuth: Nope
SubwayMan: typically the copy to clipboard command is "*y
KP56: @struct your mouse slows you down - learn how to use vim
SubwayMan: but that doesn't seem to work :grimacing:
struct: no thanks
BlaiseEbuth: vim vanilla does not copy to clipboard
KP56: imagine having to copy
KP56: couldnt be me
BlaiseEbuth: Without extra config the copy-pasting is only in vim
BlaiseEbuth: So if CG haven't done such config...
SubwayMan: really? I believe the typical behaviour is that "*y should copy to the register specified, in this case the clipboard
BlaiseEbuth: Not sure...
BlaiseEbuth: Last time I used vim I had to configure it for that.
KP56: as far as i know copying is unnecessary
KP56: as it requires you to imput 2 EXTRA CHARACTERS
SubwayMan: cool story bro
struct: *y copies all?
SubwayMan: I just wanted to take some code that I wrote for a puzzle and test it on my own machine
SubwayMan: *y still doesn't copy to clipboard unlucky
struct: so what does it do?
SubwayMan: it copies to vim's local register or something
so you can place it again with p
SubwayMan: but it isn't saved to clipboard
BlaiseEbuth: For that precise case, just use right-click...
SubwayMan: @BlaseEbuth I'm looking at my vimrc right now and I'm not seeing any copy paste configs
SubwayMan: yeah I can use right click
but using the mouse to copy feels so gross lol
SubwayMan: I don't understand why there isn't a quick command for copying to clipboard, oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
BlaiseEbuth: Hmm you're right. My config was to use clipboard by default, and so with y and not *y.
QuickMathzs: take a look
QuickMathzs: its in a book
QuickMathzs: reading RAINBOWWW
derjack: oO
dbdr: " Use the system clipboard
set clipboard=unnamedplus
derjack: could be another NN in oware? :thinking:
SubwayMan: codingame customizeable vimrc when? :smirk:
dbdr: jolindien?
derjack: maybe
derjack: anyone higher than msmits is nn no?
jolindien: salut
jolindien: dbdr ?
derjack: do you use NN in oware?
jolindien: yes
derjack: :scream:
jolindien: I test Marchete tool
derjack: nice
dbdr: what is marchete tool?
jolindien: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/alphazero-like-implementation-for-oware-abapa-game/191477
derjack: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/58137/alphazero-like-implementation-for-oware-abapa-game-codingame/environment-preparation
dbdr: nice, thanks!
jolindien: 2 good links :)
jolindien: nice c++ code
jolindien: his NN is so much more efficient than mine
derjack: still below than marchete
BlaiseEbuth: as above so below
Astrobytes: the Oware NN battle escalates again eh
struct: yeah, keep them away from c4
derjack: then ill write article about NN for c4 :imp:
struct: I feel like robo has the same problem that re curse had on Spring challenge
struct: where vs weaker bots it struggles
LazyMammal: NN aren't really smart. They just learn a bunch of patterns (and slightly generalize from that). If you don't train it, it can't learn it!
eulerscheZahl: RAIC just sent the emails to claim prizes - just 6 months after the contest
LazyMammal: So it's a good idea to train NN against really bad, some random and the NN previous best. Only replace best when it can beat all of the above.
eulerscheZahl: they get faster :o
Smelty: gasp
Astrobytes: ah yes, thanks euler, just received it
Wontonimo: +1 LazyMammal
Smelty: +1
derjack: -1
eulerscheZahl: pro tip: order the hoodie 1 size larger than the tshirt
Astrobytes: I was expecting to wait until november
Smelty: hm
Wontonimo: well, you're just -1 because you are upside down derjack
Astrobytes: I only got t-shirt :(
Smelty: loll
**eulerscheZahl inserts "it's something" meme
derjack: welp alphazero doesnt use pitting like alphago zero does
Astrobytes: :D
Wontonimo: i remember from Marchets writeup that he keeps the last 3 iirc, and only promotes if >55% win
derjack: good for him
Wontonimo: you could just expand that to last 30 and only if >55% win on all
Wontonimo: or instead all previous and just ladder them like CG does
dbdr: eulerscheZahl: dice duel referee does funny stuff with the player score (-1 when you run out of dice, counts dice twice). should I make a patch for it?
eulerscheZahl: huh?
derjack: blame the approvers
eulerscheZahl: do you have a replay to illustrate the problem?
eulerscheZahl: why do I always make these stupid bugs in my contributions? :(
derjack: and why approvers dont see then
dbdr: it does not appear in a replay, just if you use the CG api
e.g. https://github.com/eulerscheZahl/Dice-Duel/blob/f9a4a1c945dda326c56fc28b089818844bf40606/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Referee.java#L47
dbdr: leads to a -1 score, should be 0 I would say
dbdr: also each dice is counted twice :)
eulerscheZahl: moderation guidelines are pretty lax for approvers. you aren't supposed to read the code
derjack: phew
dbdr: because the score is already set, then you add it a second time
derjack: so all blame comes from the contributor
dbdr: that's cosmetic, just means 6 to 4 dice shows up as 12 - 8
dbdr: the -1 is more annoying, looks like a timeout
eulerscheZahl: i see. PRs are welcome. otherwise i'll do something about it myself
eulerscheZahl: i never noticed because there is no endscreen
eulerscheZahl: but it can confuse 3rd party tools such as brutaltester and cg-benchmark
dbdr: when speech synthesis for the end "screen"?
dbdr: need a new challenge after 3d ;)
eulerscheZahl: :D
eulerscheZahl: and allow every user to upload a sound file with the own username
Astrobytes: jeez :D
dbdr: LD
eulerscheZahl: is basically i'd just have to change line 36 to
player.setScore(0)
dbdr: with a flag
KP56: wait
KP56: in gold league in coders strike back i control 2 PODS?
eulerscheZahl: and not undo the crashed status
dbdr: a real timeout should be -1
eulerscheZahl: could add the crashed status as extra argument to lostGame()
eulerscheZahl: intelliJ is open
derjack: KP56 yes
eulerscheZahl: should work, right?
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/738624bd-2751-449c-8194-e86224879038
eulerscheZahl: oh wait no. still have to consider the no-moves case
Nekko551XD: for bot games does it take one input in time limit or it can change depending on the number of calculations program can make in that time limit
LazyMammal: all the bot multi games are turn-based
Astrobytes: Each iteration of the main loop is a turn. All inputs are read, you have n ms to 'think' and output one move per iteration.
LazyMammal: And no, preloading future moves. And you can't bank time.
Nekko551XD: I got it, thanks
LazyMammal: First turn is usually 1000ms and other turns 50ms. So you can pre-calc stuff but your bot will have to queue it up in bot memory only.
KP56: is there a memory limit?
KP56: int a[100000000] :D
eulerscheZahl: 768MB
dbdr: looks good to me, what's the issue?
eulerscheZahl: dice duel draft: https://www.codingame.com/ide/demo/88879705770da9f81e8edaed5aefda860cd479
eulerscheZahl: looks fine to me, i'll just push it
eulerscheZahl: https://github.com/eulerscheZahl/Dice-Duel/commit/3c1ea974a485750e93909c7b564f9eeddf194991
KP56: what's the push the collision gives in coders strike back?
KP56: is it just opponent's vx and vy?
KP56: multiplied by 10 if they use shield
eulerscheZahl: http://files.magusgeek.com/csb/csb_en.html
eulerscheZahl: that describes the CSB physics
KP56: ok
derjack: ahhh the legendary fight between euler and magus https://youtu.be/UoPqoctg21k?t=41
dbdr: :D
eulerscheZahl: but who won in the end?
aCat: :joy_cat:
derjack: play chrono trigger and find out
eulerscheZahl: turn 5, you weren't supposed to do that https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/565971609
eulerscheZahl: my move validator is bugged but now i can't change it anymore
Astrobytes: Why not?
eulerscheZahl: i want to consider the initial field as visited too
eulerscheZahl: you can't visit a cell twice on your path
eulerscheZahl: i even mark it as visited in the animation
Astrobytes: Yep, gotcha
derjack: oh
dbdr: the referee is 100% identical to the referee
dbdr: aka it's not a bug, it's a feature
Astrobytes: :D
eulerscheZahl: i'll keep it now, not to break any bots :(
derjack: nothing has mattered, nothing will
dbdr: I discovered it by accident :_)
eulerscheZahl: me too. my accident is called dbdr
derjack: oO
BlaiseEbuth: Oh! Same as his parents!
BlaiseEbuth: :speak_no_evil:
dbdr: :innocent:
Astrobytes: wtf BlaiseEbuth :rofl:
BlaiseEbuth: Not me. My keyboard typed by itself.
eulerscheZahl: reading my code, it seems even worse than just the starting cell
derjack: oh my
eulerscheZahl: when i generate moves to test if there are still any valid actions left, it looks fine. but when applying the user action... :(
eulerscheZahl: i think i should patch it
Astrobytes: I haven't checked properly but it sure sounds path-worthy
Astrobytes: *patch-worthy
derjack: :unamused:
Monicka: Hello, I'm facing a problem with my current account and I
Monicka: m not sure who should I ASK
eulerscheZahl: explain it in short here
derjack: try discord
eulerscheZahl: we might tell you to contact Thibaud depending on the issue
Monicka: the problem is that I've created my account with facebook and my email used there isn't available anymore, and I m not able to change neither my email nor my password
Monicka: cause I don't have the email to reset the password
Monicka: and I didn
Monicka: t remember my password because I ve used to log in with my facebook account
Monicka: how can i contact thibaud?
KiwiTae: on discord
Monicka: oo i see
dbdr: when dice bot Astrobytes? ;)
Monicka: I will try there then
eulerscheZahl: there is some combination of setting your email and using the forgot password link, isn't there?
Monicka: thanks
Monicka: i didn t find this combination
eulerscheZahl: others managed to change their login to password on their own
Astrobytes: When I get back into things again dbdr, this is my first full day back after a little break ;)
Monicka: i just have to enter my password for changing my email and for changing my password i need my current password as well :)))
eulerscheZahl: i don't know the exact way as i've always used my email+password
LazyMammal: <shooting in the dark here> can you authenticate with Facebook again and get the new email updated?
dbdr: full day of CG Astrobytes? :)
Monicka: well I m not that familiar with this site
Monicka: I ve used a while ago and now I ve started again
Monicka: and I want to keep this account
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/cannot-change-email-or-password/841
LazyMammal: worst case just start a new account. but yeah, staff on Discord is worth a try. Link up top
eulerscheZahl: the problem is as old as the website
eulerscheZahl: a bit more detailed: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/cannot-login-with-google-anymore-changed-e-mail/2819
Monicka: thank you, I'll look over the links too
eulerscheZahl: or ask Thibaud ;)
Monicka: and I ve just joined discord
Astrobytes: dbdr: well no, but first full day I've been logged in :D
Astrobytes: (for a while)
eulerscheZahl: how's your hand?
Astrobytes: A lot better thanks euler
KiwiTae: Astrobytes hurt yourself? Oo
Astrobytes: It's still awful putting pressure on the worst part but I can type normally again at least
Astrobytes: KiwiTae: Yeah, fractured part of my wrist and bottom part of my hand
eulerscheZahl: did you punch something?
KiwiTae: :worried: patpat
Astrobytes: No, then I would have broken knuckles!
Astrobytes: And it's my left hand.
eulerscheZahl: also sorry dbdr, I'm about to break your bot
derjack: :O
Astrobytes: I crushed some garlic. It's the whole fragile bones thing.
eulerscheZahl: gene manipulated garlic?
dbdr: revolution!
Astrobytes: (I did use some force on the back of the knife to crush it)
derjack: gmo garlic tried to kill him
Astrobytes: Normal garlic. My bones are trying to kill me.
derjack: :older_man:
Astrobytes: I'm very young to have this issue actually.
Marchete: :head_bandage:
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/16mv4gw
Astrobytes: Nice job in Oware Marchete :)
dbdr: https://i.snipboard.io/FXNUTL.jpg
eulerscheZahl: :D
dbdr: shame on you eulerscheZahl ;)
eulerscheZahl: bug abuser!
dbdr: mid-perfect-submit!
Astrobytes: :rofl:
dbdr: how should I know it's a bug?
eulerscheZahl: it's clearly written in the statement
eulerscheZahl: and the viewer even shows your path taken
dbdr: there's a statement? :O
derjack: who reads statement? game should be clear enough
eulerscheZahl: did you only do it for the first cell? because you could visit any cell multiple times
dbdr: only first, yes
derjack: if the game is famous, you dont need the statement at all. like chess or paper soccer
eulerscheZahl: or 2048
derjack: or onitama
struct: paper soccer doesnt need a statement?
Marchete: rejoin oware, Astrobytes
derjack: struct this is famous game in school (at least in pooland)
struct: I wanted to try d&b but I dont know how to handle so many moves
struct: Ah, I never played it
philRG: dice duel seems less laggy
eulerscheZahl: do you mean pool-land?
eulerscheZahl: still waiting for the zarthaxx sprites
dbdr: btw kovi also uses the "bug": https://www.codingame.com/replay/565977109
eulerscheZahl: the last ones he gave me made it much more laggy
eulerscheZahl: i'm really sorry for allowing that to happen in the first place and breaking your bots now :(
philRG: ah ok no pb
philRG: well not often I am Top 5 :-D
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/coders-of-the-realm---1v1/leaderboard
my only #1 spot
Astrobytes: Marchete: I shall, soon!
philRG: let us know when it is fixed
eulerscheZahl: when what is fixed? sprites will take a while if it ever happens
eulerscheZahl: the move validation is already fixed
eulerscheZahl: might not even affect your bot
philRG: ah yes i will try it Bob's contribution :-)
eulerscheZahl: don't take it away from me :scream:
philRG: no chance :)
Marchete: :thumbsup:
Marchete: do a NN, ezpz!
KiwiTae: philRG grtz on your submit i saw you pass me on caribbean~
philRG: ah yes I picked some ideas from the referee for the gameplay, quite funny
philRG: that was not so difficult to climb on it for me on this one
philRG: indeed only the Coord and CubeCoordinate classes from the referee, and then 20 lines for the main IA (3-4 if/elif/else)
philRG: and basic functions to manage the cannonballs system and synchronisation
dbdr: damn you euler! :D
http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/multi-dice-duel/dbdr
derjack: Oo
derjack: now do amazons
BlaiseEbuth: You have to cut one of your tits dbdr...
EMERALDZZZ: hello
struct: need some1 to push msmits down
struct: Im almost there
darkhorse64: ask yurkovas
struct: https://i.imgur.com/a3yQK2s.png
struct: :D
darkhorse64: he has done a pretty good job already
YurkovAS: :smile:
Landan: I'm sad that I can't show my solution to Jack Silver: The Casino because it's too slow but I like it because it looks so clean
jacek: hm?
fvla: Has anyone else here used F#?
jacek: F++?
fvla: nope
fvla: F#
struct: never
fvla: i'm quickly becoming an F# addict
fvla: I think I need help
BlaiseEbuth: Yeah. There's some on my piano. Should've already used them... :thinking:
fvla: sweet, i have those on mine too
KiwiTae: philRG im gonna catch up hopefuly hehe wdone
jacek: sudden interest in c4 eh
struct: simple game
struct: but rps
struct: imo
struct: finally
struct: thanks for the push :D
struct: Now I can ditch this game
YurkovAS: :tada:
jacek: uh oh someone needs to update his book
Marchete: connect 4 is good for NN or not jacek?
jacek: i use NN
jacek: but locally i have some rps issues
Marchete: rps?
struct: rock paper scisor
jacek: i have something that wins 70% but is weaker overall
Marchete: ahh
Marchete: wait, struct beats Smits?!
struct: I got pushed
struct: check last battles :p
Marchete: do you have 50GB of books too?
struct: no book
struct: ok my book is play move 2 on first turn
struct: or w/e it is
Marchete: pure AVX raw power then?
struct: I use avx to get winning moves
struct: and to check for wins
struct: The check for wins is not really needed but I never finished the other version
Marchete: why it isn't needed?
struct: if you check if opponent has 2 winning moves
struct: you lose
struct: or if the move that you can play to prevent him from winning also makes him win
struct: So you dont really need to check for a win
Marchete: so you play to avoid the enemy win?
darkhorse64: in playouts
Marchete: I've heard that on infinite connect4
struct: yes in rollouts as darkhorse said
jacek: infinite connect4?
jacek: https://img-comment-fun.9cache.com/media/axzdo7M/arQ5YQdK_700w_0.jpg
Marchete: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-31866-5_18
Marchete: you can ask smits to pay 26 eur
jacek: it says 30.69 eur
jacek: did he see that
Marchete: that must be theorical stuff
Marchete: like just creating patterns
Marchete: but most literature talks and use minimax. Not a lot of MCTS
geppoz: well I brought MCTS in JS in top 15 :D
geppoz: shame on me?
Marchete: this is madness
struct: how many rollouts geppoz?
Marchete: 3
struct: lol
geppoz: at first turns 1000
geppoz: at mid game 5000-7000
geppoz: got a bit of improvement with tree reuse
geppoz: moving root down and continuing from existing tree
geppoz: I have a last optimization to do, hoping get top 10
geppoz: then porting in c++ ;)
struct: you could also try adding mcts solver
struct: but im not sure if it will help
geppoz: done
struct: ah you have solver?
geppoz: y
geppoz: well at first I "invented" the solver
geppoz: :D
geppoz: by pruning out the math wins and losses
geppoz: then MSmits teached me the "solver" existance
geppoz: so I learnt the theory
struct: I see
struct: I also learned the theory from the chat
struct: Then I tried reading the code that is in the paper
struct: and was confused
geppoz: uh same, bad code, but theory is ok
geppoz: btu it is missing the "draw" part
PranavVK: what am i supposed to do about the security check? where i prove im not a bot?
Nekko551XD: does that pop up a lot for you ?
PranavVK: first time, altho its just my second day of playing
PranavVK: ive played alot today though
Nekko551XD: the reason may be because you keep multiple codingame pages open in tabs
PranavVK: nah i only got 1
PranavVK: Security Check
Clash of Code is meant for human coders only, please prove you aren't a bot!
PranavVK: there's nowhere for me to prove
Nekko551XD: just reload page
PranavVK: yeah the captcha showed up now thanks lol
PranavVK: i even exited the page and came back and it didnt work
Nekko551XD: not sure why after all i am not expert here XD
Nekko551XD: hf playing
PranavVK: lol thanks
envifly: coc grind
adila: a lot of the puzzles here are put in the wrong category IMHO
FBF_Luis: I have a question. I just finished my first weekly but it really needs some optimizing. Can I submit now and change it later? Or once it's submitted I can't change it anymore?
therealbeef: you can always resubmit
FBF_Luis: ok, thanks :)
therealbeef: submissions get stored on the server as well
FBF_Luis: oh cool, so I can see it even next week for example
therealbeef: yes, when you open a puzzle or multi the next time it shows the code that you last submitted
therealbeef: and there's a history of all submits too, when you check the 'results' on the left there is a history tab
FBF_Luis: yes, I had already noticed that, but I didn't know if it was the same for weekly problems
therealbeef: oh, the 'weekly' is just a label put on one of the existing puzzles or multis. it doesn't change anything about them
therealbeef: one of the CG guys picks a puzzle to put in the spotlight for a week
PranavVK: am i blind or does anyone know where i go to try to make a coding puzzle of my own
PranavVK: or challenge or whatever it's called
PranavVK: nvm i am blind, i found it
ShauryaS: henglo
