JimmyJams: dude
JimmyJams: why can people not write validators?
JimmyJams: a solid 1/4 of clashes have validators that don't match their tests at all
JimmyJams: why are moderators approving these? There should be some feedback going on here.
Westicles: Because the moderators are a bunch of teenage nimrods?
GarethEddies: that's a bit harsh, only some of them are...
Westicles: The posse that have been approving everything this last month certainly are
nightmarex: @Husoski wow, thank you for the tip!! (Sorry, I was afk and couldn't respond :( )
Plantchant: hi
Husoski: Using a list instead of a dict makes a ton of sense. Wish I thought of it.
ableflyer: how do you sort a dictionary if the values were floats
fvla: ableflyer if you're sorting a dictionary by values, you're probably doing something wrong
ableflyer: im sorting by items
fvla: keys?
fvla: so it looks like you're using python
ableflyer: yes
fvla: there's definitely no difference between sorting ints and floats
ableflyer: but it gave me an error saying float is not subscriptable
fvla: that means that the interpreter read some part of your code as follows:
a = 3.2
b = a[0]
fvla: you're trying to subscript a floating point number
fvla: it's surely a mistake in your program's logic
ableflyer: what can i do to change it so that it's no longer a floating point number
fvla: no idea
ableflyer: ok
fvla: it's your code, and i can't tell more without more information
MiyamuraIzumi: ***
MiyamuraIzumi: ****
GarethEddies: ChiefChippy2, you around ?
GarethEddies: maybe someone else can help ? what does "Binary output" mean in a contribution comment ?
GarethEddies: because the output is true / false ?
darkhorse64: yes
GarethEddies: people don't like it because you can randomize it ?
MiyamuraIzumi: Hi, I just succeed on ML2 with GA
MiyamuraIzumi: although, not quite optimal :D
darkhorse64: the issue with binary is hat you can achieve 50% just by issuing true
darkhorse64: *that*
GarethEddies: but not 100%
darkhorse64: The guidelines explicitely state that binary output puzzles must be rejected
GarethEddies: oh
GarethEddies: I must have missed that
GarethEddies: I'll rethink it
darkhorse64: MiyamuraIzumi: gg. Did you get the third achievement ?
MiyamuraIzumi: darkhorse64, I already achieve it since Heuristic version
darkhorse64: OK. So optimize more and score CP points with the optimization puzzle
MiyamuraIzumi: yes, I am doing it
PatrickMcGinnisII: gj MiyamuraIzumi
PatrickMcGinnisII: nite all
MiyamuraIzumi: :D
IamQuan: :))
MiyamuraIzumi: It take me alot of time
MiyamuraIzumi: I almost want to switch to other game
MiyamuraIzumi: but bang, I solve it :D
KeikeCokito: good job man 😀
KeikeCokito: keep it up
Zedogx: hi I am ameteurz
Hunter64TheOne: there is someone
Hunter64TheOne: ?
Hunter64TheOne: #fr
Hunter64TheOne: #jp
2bene2: skrrrr
Hunter64TheOne: ?
ableflyer: guys how do i get better at clash of code
21stCenturyPeon: with lots of clash of code
KeikeCokito: the higher crash you solve the better coder considered to be
derjack: https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/ajmRNVx_700bwp.webp
The_ZimaBlue: learn to code under pressure and practice your typing skills, solve classic puzzles to increase your coding skills
Uljahn: read others solutions
KiwiTae: derjack you got me :3 now its gonna be stuck in my head
Nerchio: rip servers
tarikbog: is this site useful to learn to code
tarikbog: it seems like the best one for challanges and stuff
tarikbog: challenges
Nerchio: sure its pretty cool.
tarikbog: I'm thinking of buying a book on c, c++
tarikbog: and an arduino kit to fool around
Nerchio: thats a good idea
Kohsmos: is there any problem with server?
Robbanlinden: Nothing happens after I submit my solution. Server issue?
Kohsmos: test is not operational..
Nerchio: yeah server problems
Nerchio: :(
LazyMammal: Same, Code Golf is also affected.
Kohsmos: :cry:
Fleet68: same : third time i made submission ... loading
Nerchio: sadge
Fleet68: :{
NeAlyssa: i submit my few solutions and its still pending them:disappointed:
LazyMammal: Test cases weem to work in IDE okay
LazyMammal: *seem
Fleet68: yep in IDE , full working though
Kohsmos: only arena there is problem
Fleet68: i'm on temperature
Fleet68: and there is problem
Robbanlinden: Same
MiyamuraIzumi: server don't even let me submit :laughing:
Kugelblitz24: Yep, same here, not able to submit.
Kohsmos: guys!
Kohsmos: server is fixed!
Fleet68: yes
MiyamuraIzumi: I think I submit too much :D
Kohsmos: good to see my ranking
KiwiTae: Fleet68 whats your temperature problem?
Fleet68: now it ok : submission work !
Fleet68: :)
Kugelblitz24: Working now.
JS53: hello
JS53: i have no friends, can anyone be my friend?
KiwiTae: JS53life is hard and then you die ah
MiyamuraIzumi: ha ha
JS53: um
JS53: hi KiwiTae Can you be my friend?
KiwiTae: if you solve Nintendo puzzle i will follow you back o/
MiyamuraIzumi: What a condition!
MiyamuraIzumi: Mine is easier:
MiyamuraIzumi: if you are a girl, I will follow you :D
KiwiTae: >< follow in a creepy way? Oo
MiyamuraIzumi: :kissing_heart:
Iwillgetmy: allo
Mr_BlueBird: hey, I think JS53 is a hacker
Mr_BlueBird: he copied my code and submitted
Mr_BlueBird: in clash of code
envifly: are you sure its not a bot
JohnCM: oh how is that possible?
Mr_BlueBird: can you believe it?
Mr_BlueBird: i don't know
MiyamuraIzumi: I am super man
JohnCM: yea sometimes bots do have similar code, as they just take a random sample code
envifly: bots copy peoples code i think
MiyamuraIzumi: can you believe it?
ableflyer: he probably used another account to copy the code
Mr_BlueBird: no he is not a bot
Mr_BlueBird: no bro
Mr_BlueBird: i have only one account
ableflyer: i meant JS53
Mr_BlueBird: yeah
Mr_BlueBird: maybe
Mr_BlueBird: btw, I ask him, you know what he said?
JS53: I didn't copy, I just typed anything
- joy: :joy:
ableflyer: bruh moment
Mr_BlueBird: hehehe
CA3SAR: yo @envifly do u remember that number one
CA3SAR: what was the pattern in it?
CA3SAR: i never figured it out
envifly: you add everything up...
envifly: the first number is n
envifly: you add the n numbers after it up
CA3SAR: omg really 😳
CA3SAR: omg
CA3SAR: LOL
CA3SAR: thank you so much
CA3SAR: i was so stuck on it
CA3SAR: i feel so dumb
CA3SAR: thanks!!
KiwiTae: Mr_BlueBird some clash of code are so simple its possible for 2 players to have the same code to solve them
Nekko551XD: especially if it's shortest mode
MiyamuraIzumi: yeah
ableflyer: i mean @Kiwitea is not lying here
lolgube: i'm new here, but i'm guessing you can't look up the solution for a clash of code after it's done?
TORIBON: You can look at other people's code if they decided to share it, at the score screen
TORIBON: Not sure if you can look at an actual solution, kinda new here as well
aCat: you can see actual solution if you find the actual puzzle at the contribution subpage
aCat: you can also ask some other people after the clash to share their coed
Mr_BlueBird: can anyone tell me how to take list input in stub generator input?
Uljahn: hmm, i can't see solutions for approved clashes, only for puzzles
Mr_BlueBird: i am creating puzzle
Mr_BlueBird: and one more thing
Mr_BlueBird: how to take space separated string input? in stub generator input?
Mr_BlueBird: plz help me :cry:
Uljahn: Mr_BlueBird: why are you so obsessed with contributions? have you solved all existing puzzles already?
KiwiTae: isnt there a contribution thinggy on the quest map maybe?
Mr_BlueBird: plz help
Mr_BlueBird: um, it's okay
Mr_BlueBird: i got it
Mr_BlueBird: thx
MiyamuraIzumi: I am an addict :(
KiwiTae: MiyamuraIzumi to what ? ~
MiyamuraIzumi: i'm addicted to CG now, what should I do?
MiyamuraIzumi: I think about CG all day :(
KiwiTae: get lvl 60 before the todd
MiyamuraIzumi: :(
Uljahn: KiwiTae: yeah, the only one i haven't accomplished yet, though i feel no urge to make low-effort contribution just to farm the achievement :shrug:
KiwiTae: same
MiyamuraIzumi: lv exp are exponential
MiyamuraIzumi: how much you can farm to get to lv60?
struct: you cant get level 60
KiwiTae: struct don't tell him :3
KiwiTae: o/
struct: hi kiwi
ANONYMOUS42: 113875 xp?
ANONYMOUS42: but i'm guessing there aren't enough puzzles and challenges to fill it up to that
ANONYMOUS42: but theoretically wouldn't it be possible by posting a shit ton of contributions
ANONYMOUS42: idk what i'm talking about
ANONYMOUS42: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sum+of+%28l%5E1.5%29+*+10+for+l+from+1+to+60
Westicles: :zipper_mouth:
theonlyjt: has anyone done the CodinGame sponsored contest?
Westicles: Don't Panic golf now updated. I lost 12/27
tobk: already noticed the code golf puzzles popping up in my "latest activity". What changed?
Westicles: They are being recomputed. So results are getting wiped out from the language updates and spam submits
KiwiTae: Oo
Wontonimo: yeah, i've tried the sponsored contest theonlyjt
KiwiTae: theonlyjt me too :ghost: :cherries: :ghost:
Wontonimo: what's this about "language updates" Westicles?
Westicles: Groovy and dart broke for lots of people with the updates.
Wontonimo: are all the languages getting updated? and what happens to bots in old multis?
Westicles: They did a big update recently... before the last contest I think?
Wontonimo: oh, i actually didn't notice :D
Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/languages-update/1574/223
Wontonimo: thanks !\
Wontonimo: haha "Java : 1.8.0_211 (no update), too many performance issues above Java 8."
eulerscheZahl: not like Java could be improved, it will ever be inferior to C#
Wontonimo: I don't have a lot of interest in getting back in to Java. Stepped away from it at work about 7 years ago. I don't really miss it.
Wontonimo: tbh, I loved it for a long time, then Oracle really changed it
jacek: java changed when the fire nation attacked
Wontonimo: then the Avatar was missing when the world needed him the most
sprkrd: what's the problem with Java?
jacek: kree java!
sprkrd: pardon?
sprkrd: you mean this? https://github.com/jabo-bernardo/Kree-Java
sprkrd: to be clear, i'm not a shill for java, but i haven't programmed in java for a while and i'd like to know what's wrong with java > 8
jacek: https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Kree
sprkrd: ah, i see, i'm not familiar with stargate :sweat_smile:
jacek: :o
BugKiller_328: Solving problem in 'Practice' will take effoect for my ranking or not ?
jacek: it will only give you exp, not ranking
BugKiller_328: It means, Level and ranking don't have relation ?
jacek: no relation. i have relatively low level and high rank
jacek: because i do mostly community games which give no exp but some CP
BugKiller_328: Thanks I just followed you
sprkrd: some achievements in multi will give you experience, but it's a one time thing
KiwiTae: u get xp from passing leagues :p
sprkrd: meaning that multis can contribute to your level, but puzzles not
sprkrd: but puzzles wont contribute to your rank*
BugKiller_328: @jacek, @KiwiTae, @sprkrd I'm following you guys but I'm not good enough as you :(
KiwiTae: you gonna get better, tbh its like theres always better players than you
KiwiTae: unless your #1
KiwiTae: :joy:
BugKiller_328: one more question
BugKiller_328: if I get great profile here, it will be useful for me in getting job ?
BugKiller_328: If I make awesome progress here... like high level, high ranking..
sprkrd: dunno, have never tried the "get a job" feature
eulerscheZahl: the profile alone won't get you a job. it might help a bit. showing passion is always a good thing
BugKiller_328: I mean.. I'll not try to get a job here too
eulerscheZahl: anything can help, not just a CG profile. github, ...
sprkrd: but i'd say don't get too obsessed with the rank/level and stuff
BugKiller_328: but If I show my profile to someone else, it will give impression ? :D
struct: step 1 win a contest
struct: Well it shows that you are interested in programming
jacek: could be nice bonus to CV, but some github with your own project would be better
BugKiller_328: thanks for your suggestions...
sprkrd: at any rate, i wouldn't put too many details in your CV about the rank and all that, you can just say that you're an active participant in CG, stackoverflow, top coder, or whatever. If you put too much info it'd look like you're artificially filling it up
sprkrd: and yeah, projects in github and whatnot are higher priority
BugKiller_328: got it..
BugKiller_328: in few months ago, I was top 1% in stackoverflow,
darkhorse64: remember also that surgeons are never asked if they do surgery on their free time. If you want to invest yourself into CG, do it only if it brings fun to your life
BugKiller_328: but I could keep it up because I can't watch stackoverflow to ansewr..
BugKiller_328: yes, I'll remember your words. thanks again.
BugKiller_328: bot programming needs a high knowledge mostly ?
KiwiTae: nah its time consuming though
BugKiller_328: Can you suggest me one bot programming to start ?
BugKiller_328: I mean... suggest me easy one
KiwiTae: i started pirate of caribbean atm its quite fun~
eulerscheZahl: only one pirate?
KiwiTae: damns
KiwiTae: coders
eulerscheZahl: a coder with a wooden leg?
BugKiller_328: link ?
KiwiTae: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/coders-of-the-caribbean
jacek: coders strike back is somewhat tutorial/onboarding game
jacek: almost as easy as onitama
darkhorse64: Lower leagues are always easy (except Ocean Of Code), pick one, read the statement, try simple ideas, see if you are interested, if not, switch, if yes, try hard
eulerscheZahl: you miss no opportunity to call Onitama easy jacek. Or to promote paper spccer
KiwiTae: eulerscheZahl thats like me this month >< 11th day in bed with a cast
eulerscheZahl: what have you done?
eulerscheZahl: sky diving without parachute?
KiwiTae: reconstruction of the ankle i was missing too many ligaments
eulerscheZahl: oh, something wrong from birth on?
KiwiTae: nooo just from being clumsy
KiwiTae: they adviced me to stop running for a bit and get surgery or id loose the ankle with more injuries hehe
eulerscheZahl: that sounds like a strong advice
eulerscheZahl: like "get vaccinated or risk serious damage due to covid"
struct: maybe ill try onitama
struct: your bot is a NN jacek?
jacek: yes
AllYourTrees: how do you train your NNs jacek?
AllYourTrees: anyone implement a NNUE yet?
jacek: with cpu?
jacek: have you seen marchete's CGZero?
AllYourTrees: nope
struct: yes, but i havent read about it yet
struct: I need to finish the book first
jacek: i have my own training framework, when bots play against themselves and train from that
AllYourTrees: ahhh okay
jacek: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/58137/alphazero-like-implementation-for-oware-abapa-game-codingame/introduction
jacek: similar, but i use value only, not policy
struct: isnt training usually done with GPU?
jacek: if you have decent one...
jacek: and/or complicated NN architecture, my NNs are rather small
struct: ah yeah forgot about both of those things
jacek: AllYourTrees what do you mean by NNUE? that chess thing has 40k inputs alone
AllYourTrees: :scream:
AllYourTrees: thats nice that Marchete published that blog post
AllYourTrees: i have my code open on github, wasn't sure if i should share it
Wontonimo: Thanks for sharing the playground link jacek, and thanks Marchete for writing it !!! Awesome stuff
AllYourTrees: have any of you heard of open_spiel? they have a ton of algorithm implementations in c++ including AZ https://github.com/deepmind/open_spiel/tree/master, found it very helpful
AllYourTrees: (its from deepmind)
jacek: there is even 1 of my pull requests
AllYourTrees: :O
jacek: well maybe it wasnt pull request. https://github.com/deepmind/open_spiel/issues/81
AllYourTrees: oh sweet
AllYourTrees: wait did you write the solver part for the c++?
AllYourTrees: i've been staring at that recently :)
struct: the code of the article?
AllYourTrees: the open_spiel mcts solver implementation jacek made an issue about
jacek: no, i did only some readme
jacek: others did implementation
AllYourTrees: well can i ask you a question about mcts solver anyway? :D
jacek: sure
AllYourTrees: when you solve a node, do you have to remove the values backpropped from that node previously? like if the node had 500 visits and -0.5 value, but you solve it to be a win, then all the parents of that node should have the 500 visits changed to value of 1.0?
struct: doesnt matter
struct: you wont select solved nodes
AllYourTrees: but doesn't it affect exploration earlier up the tree?
jacek: in code, i always increase visits +1, and override win/lose if neccessary. i wont just solved nodes
struct: ah I see what you mean
jacek: in theory it may affect exploration a bit or overestimate node with many proven children loses, but i dont care and it seems to be working
AllYourTrees: haha okay
struct: I also dont take it into account
AllYourTrees: while you guys are being so helpful, does it matter if you use reward / num_visits or num_visits for selecting what move to play in the game?
struct: hmm i usually do reward/visits
jacek: for NN i use score + log(visits)
jacek: in pure mcts that would be reward/visits + log(visits)
AllYourTrees: okay, geez there are so many different options is crazy haha
sprkrd: i go by just visits, but then again, i don't use mcts-solver
AllYourTrees: sounds like i just need to try a bunch :D
sprkrd: (i've only discovered mcts-solver as of recently)
AllYourTrees: same sprkrd
struct: I applied it 20 days ago or so
struct: on uttt
sprkrd: i was thinking... wouldn't mcts with a temporal-difference update subsume mcts-solver?
sprkrd: working backwards, backpropagating the maximum value at each node (rather than the result of the simulation), q-learning style
AllYourTrees: hmm would the max value be either -1 or 1? or 0 i suppose for draws?
sprkrd: oh, don't mind me, focus on your mcts-solver implementation. I shouldn't have added noise to the conversation :sweat_smile:
jacek: hm?
sprkrd: it's just that i've found this paper: http://www.cig2017.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/paper_30.pdf
sprkrd: they've implemented SARSA-MCTS, and I was wondering why nobody has tried Q-learning-MCTS yet
jacek: hm? https://liacs.leidenuniv.nl/~plaata1/papers/cgw2018.pdf
sprkrd: then I made the erroneous conjecture that Q-learning-MCTS should subsume MCTS-solver
sprkrd: jacek oh, so they have tried
jacek: quick&dirty search on google
sprkrd: when i search "mcts q-learning" i just find things about alphazero
sprkrd: which doesn't use q-learning anyway
Wontonimo: reinforcement learning is the same formulation as q-learning, just applied to a NN reward function instead of state
sprkrd: that wording is weird, but as long as you're in peace with it :D
Wontonimo: is English your second language?
sprkrd: yeah, but i'm not talking about the language itself
sprkrd: RL doesn't have to involve neural nets a priori
Wontonimo: we were talking about alphazero
Wontonimo: context my dude, context
sprkrd: ah, no, yeah, i know conceptually how alphazero works
sprkrd: before i was just talking about my crappy search skills
jacek: crappy bfs or dfs search
sprkrd: crappy gfs, i guess :joy:
Arol90-MPSI-LIV: ohhh crappy gfs
kayzero: rint)
WizeWizard: soo can someone recommend a good site for online classes? looking on learning general algorithms and stuff like that
envifly: youtube dot com
WizeWizard: fair lol
masknksnvsndvo: sololearn is pretty good as well since you can do it offline
masknksnvsndvo: whenever you have free time you can use it to learn something new in programming
envifly: your brain and how you think is more important in comp programming
QuickMathzs: true
masknksnvsndvo: does anyone here use linux ?
masknksnvsndvo: i have a question
zaphod72: yes
masknksnvsndvo: so i for some reason my os boots in unsafe mode, idk why
masknksnvsndvo: is that a bad thing
zaphod72: any hardware recently added?
zaphod72: updated drivers?
masknksnvsndvo: no
zaphod72: Check for loose cards if it's a desktop
masknksnvsndvo: it's a laptop
masknksnvsndvo: i got ghosted
masknksnvsndvo: :(
BlaiseEbuth: :ghost:
BobLob: I don't think this website is geared toward Linux support, but I have a few minutes to kill if you'd like to send me a private message to walk through some common issues.
BugKiller_328: anyone here?
BlaiseEbuth: No
BugKiller_328: :)
BugKiller_328: sorry I have question for this problem.
BugKiller_328: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/connect-the-hyper-dots
BugKiller_328: my solution works fine except one case.
BugKiller_328: I don't know when I need to add space..
BlaiseEbuth: Haven't done it. Have took a look to the forum thread?
Westicles: which case do you fail?
BugKiller_328: ""The concatenated labels within an orthant spell a word. Therefore, these words need to be spaced when crossing some axis, that is, when entering a new orthant.
""
BugKiller_328: I didn't understand this sentence.
BugKiller_328: failed on 04 "Spacing"
BugKiller_328: expected is "unalike words"
BugKiller_328: my result is "unalikewords"
BugKiller_328: no space
Westicles: Just check if the sign changes on any of the coordinates
BugKiller_328: :joy: didn't get understand for your explain too.
BugKiller_328: maybe, I have problem in understanding..
BugKiller_328: sign changes means like
BugKiller_328: -5 to 5 4 to -4 ?
Westicles: yes
BugKiller_328: thanks for your explain. just followed you.
BugKiller_328: will try to fix
BugKiller_328: failed in "Quotes" now..
BugKiller_328: Found: some"scarequote"usage
Expected: some "scare quote" usage
BugKiller_328: ah, I found an issue.
Westicles: If the last position is (x1,y1) and the new one is (x2,y2), add a space if x1*x2<0 or y1*y2<0
BugKiller_328: just checked whether sign changed and also abs value is same
Westicles: ok cool
BugKiller_328: just need to check whether sign is changed. doesn't need to check whether its absolute values are same.. :)
BugKiller_328: thanks :Westicles
Westicles: right
leatherback: I'm having some issues with the AI race if anyone wants to help me out
leatherback: I'm thinking the code is supposed to be Console.WriteLine(x =+ nextCheckpointX, y =+ nextCheckPointY, (0 <= thrust <= 100); But it keeps giving me an error saying that the first portion cannot be turned into a string from an int, and i'm not sure where to declare the thrust
BlaiseEbuth: =+ ?
leatherback: I thought it worked both ways lol
BlaiseEbuth: Na... ^^
leatherback: So... any help with the AI thing?
BlaiseEbuth: What are x and y? Existing variables?
leatherback: Yeah, they are labeled as the x and y position of the pod racer. While nextCheckpointX & Y are the next checkpoint that the pod needs to go to
BlaiseEbuth: Ok. And adding the cp position to the pod's one give...? :thinking:
leatherback: It gives me an error, CS1503 It says that i'm trying to convert "x += nextCheckpointX" from an int into a string
BlaiseEbuth: That's right. But my question was more "What do you expect ftom this calculation?" ^^'
leatherback: oh, I expected it to head to the position. I figured that if the x and y position was added to the location of the checkpoint that the pod would head to that position
leatherback: I'm sorry, i'm a bit new to coding.
BlaiseEbuth: Your output goal is to say "target that position with this thrust" to your pod
BlaiseEbuth: But what your pod position + the checkpoint one is supposed to be ?
leatherback: I am not sure It shows that i'm heading toward 3000, 3000, with a thrust of 50
leatherback: I would assume that my position would be 0, 0.
BlaiseEbuth: That's not the case.
BlaiseEbuth: Your pod will go to the x,y you give to it. So why not just targeting the next cp?
leatherback: OH
leatherback: So I was overthinking it wasn't I?
BlaiseEbuth: Things gonna be harder. But for now... Yes ^^
leatherback: I'm sorry ha ha, thanks for taking the time to talk with me though!
BlaiseEbuth: np ^^
WizeWizard: soo i just got a challenge where you literally print the min of 2 values
WizeWizard: like, integers. wtf
BlaiseEbuth: Integers he... Could be booleans.
nothansk: whats up guys/!!!!
Plantchant: hi
