Kitt66: i need help
Notter: ?
GiovanniDe: hi guys:innocent:
Smelty: hello mr angel
gigolo: exited for contest :p
gigolo: *c
gigolo: in mean max what reaper means ?
GiovanniDe: HI hi
gigolo: hhi
GiovanniDe: haha
Smelty: hh
davilla: counting down these hours...
Lowz: Who's all waiting for the competition to drop?
gigolo: drop ?
Lowz: drop!
MadKnight: Automaton2000 drop it
Automaton2000: first i have to type it
Hudinid: what are the 2 different rankings in CoC? like it says my ranking is 3,349 but when I hover myself It says 13345
gigolo: global and country
gigolo: maybe global rank and clash rank :p
r-k-g: yeah pretty sure its that last one
r-k-g: your rank on all of codingame.com and your rank in clash
davilla: 8 hours... I feel kinda crappy from the covid shot and I can't even sleep
r-k-g: worth it tbh
r-k-g: still sucks tho
davilla: covid shot or the challenge?
r-k-g: covid shot lol
gigolo: :joy:
davilla: I should have gotten it a day earlier
JormaW: Are you telling me that the mars lander doesnt have more levels than one?! :<
JormaW: Ah found the second but dunno why it didnt transfer there after completing the first one
davilla: They solo puzzles aren't really grouped together, except by name
3141948: davilla: same for me, could not sleep well last night after covid shot
3141948: Sorry Message was for r-k-g
3141948: Ah no you both had covid shot sorry
StrayCat09: .
Mr_BlueBird: ><
Mr_BlueBird: ><
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LordSkaven: 7 hours is too long to wait. I want to start now..... MOMMY!!!! xxD
davilla: I'm definitely going to be asleep at launch.
gigolo: every minute an approve wow
gigolo: the approve button should disable for those who don't solve pending clash puzzle whatever
davilla: setting my alarm for 6 hours
Marchete: TIL you can create fixed arrays on C# structs
Marchete: struct fixedArray{
unsafe public fixed byte cell0[6];
}
TobiasA: i can't wait to not be on the leaderboard
chessplayer24: i want to improve in c but i am new here and do not know how to use that ? help ?!
cipryyyy: cacca
AntiSquid: help with what?
AntiSquid: disclaimer: not offering help, just annoyed with the ambiguity of the request
chessplayer24: please :zzz:
TobiasA: the best way is to learn c somewhere else then practice here
AntiSquid: you can start here and google any questions regarding syntax TobiasA
AntiSquid: at some point you might want to learn a new language anyway
TobiasA: you could but it is easier the other way around
AntiSquid: don't tell me what's easier for me @_@
AntiSquid: thank you
TobiasA: i didn't mention you
AntiSquid: you were talking to me, Automaton2000 handle this for me
Automaton2000: you mean that you have a good way to pick the most promising one. i then set current node to ...
chessplayer24: need some challenges but the structure of the website is bit werid
chessplayer24: AntiSquid Are you bot?
AntiSquid: are you a bot?
jacek: chessplayer eh? why dont you try chess
Uljahn: chessplayer24: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/55547/how-to-get-started-on-codingame
AntiSquid: :thumbsup:
LordSkaven: isnt everyone here a bot?
programmmmer: beep boop
chessplayer24: oh thanks man,god bless you , jacek i am good there so looking to improve in sth new
chessplayer24: your computer type funny things
LordSkaven: Oh you mean bot as in robot, I thought you meant bottom
TheBouncyJelly_728d: no bot here!
TobiasA: i'm a bot
chessplayer24: Yeah man he just answered me fast , dude i thought he was a bot but my bad
AntiSquid: jace is a bot, he runs automatic adverts for paper soccer
chessplayer24: to be honest i do not think c is a good language to code games here , you need oop language
AntiSquid: so anyone helping would have wasted their time?
chessplayer24: do you know other Websites ? i hate asking google to help while there is many bots here , joking you guys know more than google so help me
AntiSquid: learning to google is an important life skill
TobiasA: codewars
chessplayer24: you right
chessplayer24: waw ok i will check that
TobiasA: but there are no visual stuff like this site
chessplayer24: yeah i see its all black i feel sleepy now
TobiasA: that's the only other one i know
AntiSquid: i know dozens of sites for competitive programming
AntiSquid: all through google / duckduckgo
gigolo: atcoder is my fav besides game programming
VizGhar: are you happy with duckduckgo? I'm mostly not very sattisfied with its results (I know why the results are way they are, but still)
AntiSquid: you need extra alternative to google
AntiSquid: i don't mind the design and it's not as intrusive with ads
AntiSquid: with google alone you sometimes get wrong results
AntiSquid: also google has bias in results which really screws up the searches in very horrible ways
AntiSquid: problem is i am sure duckduckgo has less sites indexed
KalamariKing: Yeah, it does
KalamariKing: Also gm, 4 hours, y'all ready?
DiscoChildOfDeath_937: hi there
gigolo: :heart_eyes:
KalamariKing: Hello there, DiscoChildOfDeath_937! Interesting name you got there
DiscoChildOfDeath_937: its automatically name kek
DiscoChildOfDeath_937: idk how to change it ;)
gigolo: :joy:
gigolo: go to profile
Notaboredguy: should work now
Notaboredguy: bruh
gigolo: ur name is True
Notaboredguy: wha
Notaboredguy: should be Notaboredguy
AntiSquid: KalamariKing is that your alt or your main? if i find your main:
https://imgur.com/a/lZHH6TF
Notaboredguy: yummy
KalamariKing: AntiSquid take mercy, I wish not to crisp
KalamariKing: have mercy for your fellow squiddy boi
AntiSquid: wrong type of squid, also not a squid
jacek: hmm https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aV7EeRw_700bwp.webp
gigolo: :o
jacek: those japanese and theirs squids
AntiSquid: maybe the town tries to promote fertility
struct: hi
AntiSquid: hi struct
AntiSquid: did you get the message invite on forums ?
AntiSquid: someone rightfully praised me for your Yinsh game
jacek: you approved it
struct: no
AntiSquid: oh i did have a part in it
struct: Where is this message?
struct: ah I see now
struct: ill fix it after the contest
AntiSquid: optplx
optplx: :wave:
optplx: thanks struct :)
gigolo: :fish:
TobiasA: how do i do that inline if-else statement in c++ but without the else returning anything?
DomiKo: what?
AntiSquid: @_@
DomiKo: you mean (statement ? true : false)
DomiKo: yes?
FlexYourJS: just use &&
FlexYourJS: isTrue && doSomething();
TobiasA: yes
TobiasA: that one
TobiasA: the one domiko wrote
FlexYourJS: if you use the ternary operator you are required to put something for `else`
AntiSquid: ternary operator without the else ?
AntiSquid: :joy:
FlexYourJS: so instead of that.. just use `&&`
DomiKo: ternany operator requires that "true" and "false" types are the same
DomiKo: so you can't even do (statement ? int : string)
TobiasA: or is there like a word i can use to skip that line if false
AntiSquid: a = (condition) * value
FlexYourJS: or you may also use ||
AntiSquid: || for what
FlexYourJS: not sure if it's applicable in C++
FlexYourJS: can you try it?
TobiasA: me?
FlexYourJS: int iWantThisToBeFive = !isValueTrue || 5
FlexYourJS: isValueTrue = true
TobiasA: nvm i've found out something thanks for the help tho
AntiSquid: what did you find
FlexYourJS: Who among you have played Ghost in the Cell?
TobiasA: i found an alternative to what i am trying to do
AntiSquid: what's wrong with the if?
TobiasA: nothing
FlexYourJS: probably want's shortest code
AntiSquid: without the else it's just if(statement)do_stuff
AntiSquid: ah
TobiasA: yea i want short code
FlexYourJS: statement && do_stuff
AntiSquid: a lot of the code golf tricks try to avoid if statements
AntiSquid: entirely
FlexYourJS: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ca1d23ac-efed-4543-b9a3-88c80d790098
TobiasA: oooouuu i understand your logic now
TobiasA: that's a nice one
TobiasA: wait but won't that return a bool?
Nerchio: would like some fog of war
Nerchio: would be nice
TobiasA: what is fog of war?
MSmits: TobiasA missing information
MSmits: it's a term coming from real time strategy games where you can see all your own units, but not the opponents units unless they are near your own
MSmits: I dont like it generally... except in ocean of code, there the fow was central to the game and it worked nicely
Passifi: for the young folk in the chat real time strategy games were, what we used to play before LoL and Dota got hip
MSmits: exactly
MSmits: well they know starcraft probably
MSmits: but they dont know there are 100s of games like that
Passifi: yupp another glorious genere that just vanished, like space flight simulations, or Sierra Adventure games or pong clones ahh the nostalgia
MSmits: just like they dont know that once upon a time we had shoot em ups where you didnt build ramps
MSmits: Passifi it's still out there, if you go on steam, but they're more indy-like
TobiasA: oh you mean those topdown strategy games
TobiasA: i see
MSmits: well top down was just convenient, so you can select your units easily
MSmits: but the main thing is that you control a large army in real time and you build the army from resources, so you need a base etc.
Nerchio: It might be bias but I felt like games with fog of war were easier to make it high in legend
MSmits: Nerchio it's not bias
TobiasA: i am very bad at anything that involves managing recources or making armies
Nerchio: so more fun for me personally
MSmits: we have a lot of really strong players that normally top the ranks but dont know how to deal with fow :)
MSmits: so of course you get legend more easily
MSmits: this is why you get so much complaining about it
MSmits: because they cant use their usual bag o tricks
MSmits: most of them figure out a way anyway, but some dont and that makes it easier to get legend
Nerchio: yep thats why i probably like it
Nerchio: lets see what they came up with this time
MSmits: yeah, i am curious also
MSmits: i'll probably like it for at least a few days, if it's a good game, all the way to 11 days
MSmits: sometimes you run out of ideas early, thats a bit frustrating
MSmits: but usually i just lack the time and energy to try it all
Nerchio: i got demotivated during pacman in top gold and made legend in potion challenge
Nerchio: but looking back at it the idea behind pacman was more fun for me
MSmits: ahh pacman went ok for me, but i didnt have time for the potion game :(
Nerchio: potion was a good game but turned into hard simulation too much
MSmits: I think i got a quick bronze on the last friday is all
Nerchio: or rather search i mean
MSmits: ah yes
MSmits: that seemed predictable to me
MSmits: it has fairly few variables
Nerchio: the only difference was I started talking with the polish CG community more during potion challenge so the motivation boost was enough to push to legend
MSmits: I see
MSmits: yeah that can help
MSmits: chat can also stop you from coding :)
MSmits: or you can give away too much
Nerchio: well I don't see myself giving away too much tbh
Nerchio: its mostly the very top that needs to care about this
MSmits: i dont think i have done that in contest personally
MSmits: traded some ideas with other players in pm
MSmits: but outside of contest i always give away too much :P
pb4: hi
KalamariKing: Howdy
MSmits: hey pb4
MSmits: and KalamariKing
pb4: Just out of curiosity, Nerchio are you the Nerchio from SC2 ?
KalamariKing: A good portion of players won't understand half of it tho, especially with this years' influx of newbies
Nerchio: yeah
pb4: Nice :)
Nerchio: I mean its not like we are playing for milions of $, I feel like sharing is more fun for me
MSmits: every time he is on someone asks that :P
Nerchio: but i can share more with people who arent in the top :D
Tiramon: contest is about to start and all known names start to crawl out of their holes ;)
pb4: As for "sharing too much" when being at the top, it is definitely something in the back of the mind
pb4: but... share a bit, get a reaction from somebody else, maybe it'll tip you towards an interesting direction
Nerchio: i don't have anything to share with pb4 because he does 3x more interesting stuff in his bots
pb4: haha
DomiKo: trueee
pb4: On the contrary
pb4: I tend to go towards overcomplicated stuff
MSmits: yeah, the top players dont need code shown too them to get a winning idea. Just tell them the wrong thing and it's :trophy:
pb4: There's also a lot of value in having an idea of "what simple stuff works"
MSmits: i get overcomplicated on my first few versions when i should just do some heuristics
DomiKo: trying simple if's is so much fun
MSmits: it's better to start on your full bot a bit later, when you know the game better
MSmits: so you dont go down the wrong path and waste more time
pb4: On this I disagree MSmits
pb4: I hate writing something that I know I'll discard
pb4: with a passion....
MSmits: i do too
pb4: Wood leagues are just a pain to me
KalamariKing: But you can use ideas
MSmits: pb4 depends on the game for me, i liked it in code a la mode
MSmits: the wood leagues
MSmits: you mainly just expand a list of recipes
MSmits: in csb it's horrible, even the input structure changes
MSmits: in HS it's bad too, because the map doesnt have the pillars at first
MSmits: totally different game
DomiKo: I would say that in every game you can escape wood's in less than 50 lines of code
DomiKo: So is it that bad?
MSmits: ocean of code
MSmits: not true for that game
pb4: ^
MSmits: you were forced to make your wood bot strong
MSmits: or you wouldnt get out
MSmits: i think they weakened boss later
DomiKo: hmmm
MSmits: i dont blame them, it's really hard to balance bot strength
DomiKo: I believe that I got up with simple dfs
DomiKo: but idk
MSmits: sure, there's always ifs that work, but they're not always obvious
MSmits: loads of people got stuck in ooc
KalamariKing: ooc?
MSmits: ocean of code
KalamariKing: ah
MSmits: the radar sub game
MSmits: thingy
Nerchio: well for people starting out "simple dfs" can take some time to get working
MSmits: I think the hardest part in getting into the game is how the input/output thingy works
MSmits: with the while loop and such
inoryy: wow so we're sticking with starting the contest mid-day on Thursday :/
MSmits: it's 11 days though
MSmits: just starts a bit sooner than normal
Nerchio: what's the problem with that? they probably want time to fix stuff on friday
MSmits: still ends on a monday
MSmits: get 2 weekends
Nerchio: and its different time of the day depending where you live ;)
Marchete: imo wood leagues should be skippable for veterans
DomiKo: yeah
Marchete: lower than final rules
MSmits: well there's a point to that, but veterans barely need any time to get through them usually..
inoryy: it's still annoying if your game plan is to get bronze top3 asap and disappear for the rest of the contest
MSmits: so it's a small annoyance and sometimes it's nice....
Marchete: annoying is the word
aangairbender: and its kinda fun to beat those bosses
aangairbender: and climb the leaderboard
MSmits: yea
Marchete: bronze top3 :rofl:
MSmits: there's always someone that gets nr 1 and then suggests to end the contest early :P
inoryy: hey I've been doing it for years!
Marchete: I know
Marchete: but I mean, there is little point to lvl 30+ or gold/legends on previous contests to pass wood leagues
Passifi: yo c++ coders if you do for(auto node : nodes) is node a copy of the object in nodes or a pointer to that object ?
Marchete: esp. with game that rules change a lot
aangairbender: today I practiced uttt and got gold 1 place, still boss was above me. it felt awkward
MSmits: Marchete sometimes it can help you ease into the game
Marchete: for (auto node:
Marchete: yes
pb4: copy
MSmits: but often it's just annoying
Marchete: for (auto& node:
Marchete: no
Passifi: ahhh
inoryy: I'm just joking around Marchete, I agree with you if serious
inoryy: but we both know it's not going to change
Passifi: that explains the bug I was dealing with
Passifi: thanks
struct: Wood leagues are extremly hard this time ;)
aangairbender: switch to rust:joy:
MSmits: personally, if given the option to skip wood, i may still just start in wood
VizGhar: so many faces I haven't seen before :D why is that? :P
Tiramon: contest starting today
pb4: struct :'(
Astrobytes: Regulars come out the woodwork around contest time
MSmits: struct is spreading fake news
pb4: Please tell us it's a joke :'(
VizGhar: that was kinda rhetorical question
struct: yes
Astrobytes: Or is it...
pb4: Were you one of the beta testers ?
struct: its a joke, easiest wood leagues I faced
struct: Yes
MSmits: still fake news :P
VizGhar: he was... euler exposed him
MSmits: or.. random news :P
pb4: Good, few hours to pry secrets from you then :D
aangairbender: bronze league should be open from the start, right?
Tiramon: is it made by community or cg this time ... does anybody know?
MSmits: yeah
struct: made by CG
VizGhar: by CG
MSmits: it's monday-wednesday-friday for silver-gold-legend opening
Marchete: another grid game probably, with N agents
LordSkaven: print(rand.Next(0,10)); is that enough to get you past wood this time?
Astrobytes: Social engineering doesn't seem to work on him pb4 :P
pb4: Haha
MSmits: did you try social reverse engineering Astrobytes ?
KalamariKing: MSmits they don't start opened?
MSmits: wood and bronze do
KalamariKing: But silver+ don't
Astrobytes: lol MSmits
KalamariKing: That's wack
MSmits: but bronze has full rules
MSmits: so it doesnt matter
MSmits: you're up against all the top players in bronze already
LordSkaven: I thought silver was full rules?
struct: I guess I can take a ss of bronze rules when I get there
struct: It shouldnt take me much time
MSmits: only thing that changes from bronze to silver is that half the players are filtered out
pb4: Yes please struct
MSmits: so you get a smaller league
MSmits: but same top players
KalamariKing: how long do you think it'll take me to beat wood
Marchete: 3.5
MSmits: i dont know you
MSmits: so hard to say
struct: I would say wood takes less than 20 minutes
MSmits: for me it's between 2 hr and a day
player_one: Wood always takes me more than 20 minutes. :-)
struct: If they didnt change the boss
RoboStac: so hard wood bosses that can be beaten in 20 minues? :)
struct: Yes, they are on par with wood bosses from Bit runner :)
MSmits: please no
Astrobytes: hehehe
RoboStac: ah good, I enjoyed those
pb4: :evil:
MSmits: I am ranked 10 or so in br2k and still not in the highest league :P
Astrobytes: It was a refreshing change
Nerchio: time to get some physical exercise before this thing starts see you soon guys :grinning:
KalamariKing: glhf
MSmits: good idea, ttyl
LordSkaven: It is going to be a long 2 and a half hours. I want to get started already
inoryy: pretend it starts on Friday like it should've and then it will look early
Marchete: holy f* nerchio is a Pro SC2 player
inoryy: haha
KalamariKing: yeah lol
Astrobytes: Bit late to the party there Marchete :P
Marchete: I'm late as always
Marchete: 377k earnings according to wikipedia :D
inoryy: I'm guessing ex-(pro player) would be more correct though?
LordSkaven: with all his blizzcon money, he outsources his codingame stuff
Marchete: and you play for a tshirt?
Astrobytes: He got the bug.
LordSkaven: that is the best tshirt in the world
Marchete: :)
LordSkaven: the tshirt is a physical manifestion of bragging rights
inoryy: t-shirt you can't buy for money > money
Marchete: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2021
struct: I actually think thats the link
Tiramon: but as my github repo it is private ... if it is the right link
KalamariKing: for? thats a dead link
Tiramon: private repos show up as 404
struct: yes its private
KalamariKing: oh lol
Marchete: to not giving clues
struct: omg, sharex makes wsl2 gui app crash
struct: when i take a screenshot
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Marchete: windows have inbuilt app for screenshots
Marchete: win+shift+S
Marchete: also
Tiramon: oh didn' t know that one ... still using snipping tool for screens ;)
LordSkaven: snipping tool is best tool
Tiramon: yeah but i like builtin tools :)
Marchete: I must confess I use it too
Marchete: because I'm used to it
Illedan: 2 hours. :zzz:
MADDY-1: hows your preparation for contest
Illedan: New Project => Bite nails until it starts
dreadylein: ;)
Illedan: Or byte nails
LordSkaven: you still have your nails? Lucky fish
LordSkaven: I started chewing mine when fall challenge ended
Illedan: It compiles :tada:
Astrobytes: Might change nick to Nailbytes
BlaiseEbuth: Contest start at 16h ? No respect for the people who work...
casmith789: you have 11 days
FredrikMetcalf: Cant find the information anywhere, but how do I write debug logs?
Astrobytes: write to stderr
FredrikMetcalf: Error? Ok, thought there was some debug output
Illedan: casmith789, nah. We have 4 days. Then pb4 will be 1st for the rest of it :)
Astrobytes: And you can usually add something to the end of your output
Astrobytes: lol, not wrong Ille
casmith789: we all have a chance!
BlaiseEbuth: lel
Illedan: struct, do I need to prepare for N players? Or just 2? :D
BlaiseEbuth: new ?
KiwiTae: and then Daporan will take over 10min before the end
Illedan: Nah, price to low for dapo
struct: I wont answer that Illedan Im sorry
Illedan: Good :)
Illedan: 2p it is then, thx
KiwiTae: Illedan prepare both
BlaiseEbuth: No price -> no dapo
Illedan: I have 10 projects with various setups. Ready to delete all but 1 :P
struct: lol
struct: Do you have any 8 player project by any chance?
Astrobytes: lmao
Illedan: 2, 3 or N
Illedan: Then Grid, Hex, physics, cardgame
KalamariKing: wow
KalamariKing: someone's prepared
inoryy: 1-player FPS it is
Illedan: jk :P
BlaiseEbuth: Paranodan
LordSkaven: what if they change the challenge to a flappy bird AI last second, are you prepared for that
BlaiseEbuth: Or Illenoid?
Astrobytes: Paradan
Astrobytes: Illenoid was good though
pb4: {2, 3, N}x{grid, hex, physics, cardgame}
pb4: That's 12 combinations already
pb4: Why only 8 projects ?
pb4: Prepare more !
BlaiseEbuth: Anyway this time I'm serious, so you can already all give up.
inoryy: I'll just ask our AGI to figure out the most likely setup
Illedan: I have a meta MCTS trying to solve the setup
pb4: Anybody else from deepmind likely to participate ?
inoryy: Doubt it, pb4
KalamariKing: wait is atomaton2000 down?
Astrobytes: Hopefully.
inoryy: AutomatonNN are you down?
Astrobytes: That one is. Thankfully.
KalamariKing: Automaton2000 isn't autofilling
Automaton2000: i don't know how the game is solved as a draw
KalamariKing: what? bruv
struct: also please dont spam automaton during contest
Astrobytes: Alright, be back later, got some job applications to do
struct: gl
BlaiseEbuth: Who's from deepmind?
KalamariKing: glhf, you got this
struct: inory
Redshirt: Is this chat specifically for Rugby Score game? or is it generic?
struct: generic
KalamariKing: this one? generic
KalamariKing: wait when was a rugby score game in conversation
BlaiseEbuth: Don't trust him, that's not written in his profile.
Redshirt: it's not, I'm just on that game now
KalamariKing: ah
Redshirt: How would I get help on it? I'm getting the right output but it is still failing
inoryy: BlaiseEbuth yep, unlike all the people that put "Google" as their company, them we can trust
jacek: Redshirt do you print newline or whitespace
BlaiseEbuth: Exactly!
Redshirt: Console.WriteLine("{0} {1} {2}", T, C, P);
it passes all the previous tests, just not the last one
KalamariKing: What does the error say
KalamariKing: Or is it in the validators
Redshirt: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/787fa40b-1f0d-4f89-9cc2-0ef6e3b960bb
KalamariKing: as in the ones after you hit submit
Redshirt: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1d46efc4-9ebb-4b93-9364-0d3227b9ff65
RoboStac: sounds like you have the order wrong
KalamariKing: There could be one too many or one too little of a line
BlaiseEbuth: That's really strange to lie on his company...
Redshirt: ahh, yeah I see it now
Redshirt: in the output requirements they specify the sorting required
Redshirt: thanks
KalamariKing: st
KalamariKing: anyone wanna tell me what's going wrong? I've been looking at this for too long
KalamariKing: It's the bender ep1 puzzle
KalamariKing: Here's the bad code:
KalamariKing: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3ea5cb40-2cf5-460c-90ce-d18e33fdd051
BlaiseEbuth: Python
KalamariKing: Yeah
KalamariKing: I wanna learn something else but nrn
KalamariKing: It fsr outputs a grid of only #s
KalamariKing: '#'s
KalamariKing: but why tho
joniebear: When you use the [x]*n syntax, what you get is a list of n many x objects, but they're all references to the same object.
KalamariKing: Hmm
KalamariKing: Thanks
joniebear: try your grid definition in Python REPL and change one field, then look at the result :)
NNGeorge: I want to learn html and coding him
NNGeorge: (:)
jacek: html, what kind of programming language is that
BlaiseEbuth: Pony!
KalamariKing: omg
NNGeorge: )
KalamariKing: joniebear thanks, fixed it
derjack: where
BlaiseEbuth: Another!
KalamariKing: we're being overtaken
BlaiseEbuth: Let's make lasagna!
jacek: :thinking:
inoryy: BlaiseEbuth what do you mean by "lie on his company"?
BlaiseEbuth: Well, why someone will lie saying he's working for Google?
jacek: we all work for google
KalamariKing: we all make google money
BlaiseEbuth: Chinese disagree
inoryy: I think it's just a default choice for students? Doubt they're seriously trying to pretend they do
inoryy: What's funny though is when CG is using Google's brand in their marketing without verifying if a single actual employee signed up, but I digress
BlaiseEbuth: You're taking too seriously what was just a joke...
inoryy: Nah, it just reminded me of an old subject
jacek: *vietnam flashbacks*
BlaiseEbuth: Since when CG verify its sources before using them to assert things?
**BlaiseEbuth cough cough 5% cough
struct: I think D language would be a better comparison
BlaiseEbuth: Better than?
Zenoscave: Lol how many of the D lang folks stuck around?
BlaiseEbuth: Was there any?
Zenoscave: 1? 2? maybe
MSmits: 'D' > 'C'
MSmits: evaluates to true, so...
struct: c++ is almost there though
Zenoscave: so do most alphanumeric chars... and in string world even more so if lexicographic ordering is used.
struct: only if it was named ++c
MSmits: good one struct :)
Zenoscave: Almost got my BFS search ready for what I'm hoping is a grid game. Or else yesterday was a waste
Marchete: I pick 2
Zenoscave: No grid?
MSmits: you took a whole day to code a BFS?
Marchete: it was a waste :D
Nerchio: tbh i always open one of my old cg bots and copy BFS :joy:
Zenoscave: Did you beta test Marchete
Zenoscave: Not a whole day... just most of the time I had for projects
MSmits: I always recode it from memory, depending on what the game map looks like
Marchete: but BFS isn't usually used on search algos, no?
MSmits: you can make it far more performant if you dont make it general
BlaiseEbuth: You have only 5mins for projects ? :/
inoryy: I always start by writing my own OS from scratch
BlaiseEbuth: ^
KalamariKing: I know that its a bandwidth thing, and cg won't let you, but is there a way to let cg show you the whole debug log instead of trimming the middle
MSmits: lol
Zenoscave: Yeah but I usually write the general case first and optimize from there MSmits
MSmits: ah ok
Zenoscave: Marchete. Please tell me you're only guessing
Marchete: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2021
Zenoscave: Well. It's a 404 for me
Zenoscave: but I'm guessing not you
Marchete: oh, that's unfortunate
Marchete: :rofl:
inoryy: weird, I see the full src
KalamariKing: Can you block someone
BlaiseEbuth: Who KalamariKing
MSmits: Zenoscave https://trinket.io/library/trinkets/0e3df86f0d
Marchete: how do you use BFS, Zenoscave?
MSmits: can place walls, generate random maze and do bfs or dfs
Marchete: inside a search algo?
Marchete: maybe for lookups
MSmits: screen.onkey(PathMode, 'p')
screen.onkey(WallMode, 'w')
screen.onkey(GenerateMaze, 'm')
screen.onkey(ClearWalls, 'c')
Marchete: but I can't recall using BFS
Zenoscave: Naw for grid search
Zenoscave: Probably should switch to a better path finding
Westicles: Got to be 3D with all those trees to climb
MSmits: Zenoscave there's no better pathfinding in CG than BFS
MSmits: afaik
Marchete: python?
KalamariKing: BlaiseEbuth just want kitkat to stop followint me, idk
KalamariKing: No msging, I just don't want them following me
Astrobytes: Still bothering you?
VizGhar: It's annoying person yes :|
Astrobytes: I banned from World but it can still message and follow people
MSmits: it?
Westicles: he hangs out on #clash
Zenoscave: it.
BlaiseEbuth: Tibo said he gonna delete her account two days ago...
Astrobytes: Not any more it doesn't
Gabbek: Good day :)
MSmits: hi Gabbek
BlaiseEbuth: Why don't I ping?
struct: astro you are lucky that my cpu is at 100%
Gabbek: Nice to meet you, MSmits!
MSmits: same
struct: I had same idea :(
ZarthaxX: hellou
struct: hi
BlaiseEbuth: [CG]Thibaud !
LordSkaven: struct, why are you torturing your cpu again?
struct: for the contest
struct: Im testing it
MSmits: is there smoke coming out?
LordSkaven: kind of last minute is it not? xD
Zenoscave: Are you t-shirt elligble as a tester?
struct: max temperature is 50ºC
Zenoscave: asking for a friend...
struct: no
Zenoscave: Never gonna test then
Astrobytes: lol
MSmits: this is why testers need to buy their own clothes
Zenoscave: I NEED MY T-SHIRT
tibithegreat: are we still gonna get the higher leagues in a few days after the start of the competition?
Zenoscave: probably tibithegreat
Gabbek: really nice link MSmits with maze/path finding, cool stuff :)
Zenoscave: They haven't deviated from that ever afaik
tibithegreat: I have time off this week and it would be nice if I got all the rules before I have to go back to work
VizGhar: monday, wednesday, friday
Astrobytes: If you don't have any Mega Man t-shirts with pewpewpew on them Zeno, then you are missing a trick here
RoboStac: they try very hard to not introduce new rules with the leagues that open later
tibithegreat: I see
RoboStac: so bronze is open at the start and will be full rules unless there is something obviously wrong with them
Zenoscave: ... one sec gotta go find a t-shirt printing site
tibithegreat: RoboStac that's good
Westicles: I think I have discovered the most boring thing in the world
Astrobytes: Or just wear a Mega Man helmet all the time... :rofl:
Zenoscave: Westicles what's that now?
Gabbek: what is it, Westicles?
Westicles: Watching streams of CoC in Haskell
Zenoscave: this chat?
BlaiseEbuth: Attack on JBM!
Westicles: Nothing personal, of course!
ZarthaxX: lmao
Gabbek: hmm, never tried that - I'm afraid of haskell :D
Astrobytes: Watching streams of CoC in any language is pretty grim imo.
BlaiseEbuth: ^
Astrobytes: Puzzles on the other hand.
ZarthaxX: boring too
ZarthaxX: :D
Zenoscave: ^^^^
ZarthaxX: CONTESTS THO
Zenoscave: Boring also
Astrobytes: I can watch puzzles and contests in Haskell.
ZarthaxX: i would prefer to do it myself than watch it
Zenoscave: Hi Zarthie
Astrobytes: Are you volunteering?
VizGhar: you can still go for chicks in bathtub trashtalking
ZarthaxX: hi pewpewwwwwwwwwww
Westicles: He gives them all 1 star, lol
ZarthaxX: Astrobytes for what?
Gabbek: it depends I think, I would like to watch some puzzles some day - I've greatly enjoyed a session with EulerscheZahl about coders of the realm, learned so much!
BlaiseEbuth: The interresting part
Astrobytes: Streaming ZarthaxX :P
ZarthaxX: ah...
Gabbek: really enjoyed reCurse's stream one day tho :P
MSmits: gabbek what do you mean a session?
Zenoscave: I'll stream if i can get that pewpewpew shirt in time
ZarthaxX: i cant stream with my internet
ZarthaxX: :(
MSmits: did euler do a stream??
Zenoscave: and better internet
Astrobytes: Or a helmet Zenoscave
ZarthaxX: cant do that in this country
Zenoscave: Too expensive
ZarthaxX: we can talk on discord tho :D
Astrobytes: Make one
Zenoscave: too much effort.
Gabbek: MSmits not really - we were just on discord speaking, let's call it pair programming - but I was mostly learning :)
Astrobytes: Sad.
Zenoscave: If it takes more use than typing. no thanks
Astrobytes: Print one out! Then fold carefully.
Zenoscave: ...
Zenoscave: :thinking:
Zenoscave: where to bu a printer...
Zenoscave: buy*
MSmits: ah yes, much of what i learned on CG, I learned from euler
Astrobytes: Take a design to a 3D printer!
ZarthaxX: the toad
MSmits: sometimes from pm-ing for hours
Zenoscave: the toad! To the toad
Zenoscave: :beers:
Astrobytes: Back to the Toad
Gabbek: :beers:
Astrobytes: Anyway, back shortly
Zenoscave: OOH I need to make breakfast and coffee run thx for reminding me Astrobytes
BlaiseEbuth: So you're the one responsible for the NN's "eulerscheZahl is there a way to..." MSmits ?! :rage:
Zenoscave: see you all at the stimer!!!
MSmits: haha no, not me, but it could have been, if i joined CG later
Gabbek: I'm hoping to make some small helpful projects with some starter code and other things, like replays downloader and maybe some game adaptations for people to play around a bit... but finishing anything is really hard when there's so many interesting things around :|
Marchete: btw where is the toad?
Zenoscave: automaton2000 where's euler?
Automaton2000: after i get my bot to play the game and it was a thing
BlaiseEbuth: Don't look at me, I don't ate him... :rolling_eyes:
Gabbek: I'm guessing he's still working? Just a guess!
Zenoscave: ping euler Automaton2000
Automaton2000: and there is a bug
Zenoscave: oh yeah. food run brb
struct: euler found out what the contest was and deleted
ZarthaxX: :rofl:
BlaiseEbuth: brew...
Lachrymosa: Mern CG
Zenoscave: moin
MSmits: goedemorgen
Gabbek: ohaio
Lachrymosa: Dibs on the red critter :p
MSmits: dibs on fat blue!
Gabbek: dibs on acorn :)
KalamariKing: WAIT NO
KalamariKing: we're watching a movie in class, I might be missing for the contest start -_-
BlaiseEbuth: dibs on dibs
MSmits: KalamariKing there is more than enough time
struct: no, you will need every second
KalamariKing: MSmits but thats besides the point i wanna be part of the chat-spam-countdown
Westicles: which movie?
KalamariKing: gattaca
MSmits: ah, i always turn that off KalamariKing
KalamariKing: MSmits *scoff* boring
MSmits: whats the thingy again, /?disableChat right?
Gabbek: aye
struct: ?disableChat
Gabbek: ?disableChat=true
MSmits: dont think you need the =true
BlaiseEbuth: Somebody put a link in the chat please. No matter what, be inventive.
MSmits: if i am reading the game description, i get really distracted by the massive chat spam
Gabbek: I'm sensing a trap... :D
Westicles: that's quality teaching... you kids watch netflix while I do my taxes
LordSkaven: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2021
BlaiseEbuth: Perfect thanks
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2021/?disableChat
MSmits: not sure that works
MSmits: but change whatever your IDE link is, to that
MSmits: with the /?disableChat thingy
MSmits: there's a guy from my country that's registered as "DutchTeacher" and also goes to the same university
Westicles: https://www.codingame.com/training/spring-challenge-2021-totoro-finds-the-acorns/5d-chests
MSmits: lol Westicles
MSmits: is this a very elaborate prank or is this an actual puzzle ?
Westicles: That's a puzzle. JBM is going to stream it later, says he is leaning towards 2 stars
MSmits: that's more than 1 !
Westicles: well, the jury is still out
VaseSimion: Hello people. Any place where I can find some info on this challenge before it starts?
MSmits: it's a secret game until it starts
MSmits: but you can check out other games
MSmits: like the pacman game, which was also a spring challenge I believe?
DeclanEgerton: Hey
VaseSimion: ok MSmits, thanks :) I forgot if it was fully secret or there was some info last itme
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/spring-challenge-2020
MSmits: sometimes they release some teaser thingy, but they didnt this time
DeclanEgerton: Quick question, I'm VERY new to coding, just curious where I should start I'm wanting to learn Javascript
MSmits: so we just have the art
MSmits: and struct's fake news
MSmits: DeclanEgerton maybe codecademy or other websites have some nice courses
MSmits: you dont learn JS here, but after you know the basics you can apply it to puzzles
MSmits: or you can learn python and enjoy the coding
LordSkaven: Wiat, this isnt going to be an 8 player flappy bird neural network challenge?
KalamariKing: DeclanEgerton consider your options as well, there are plenty of languages each with their own nuances and applications
MSmits: LordSkaven who knows, maybe :)
VaseSimion: Declan, I learned Python here just by doing practice puzzles. got a task to do and the google how to write a solution I had in my mind
MSmits: VaseSimion but maybe you already knew a language before that?
DeclanEgerton: Okay so once I've learnt the basics elsewhere, this is a good place to practice
DeclanEgerton: Oh right okay so I could learn Python here?
MSmits: if you havent ever coded before i doubt you can learn python just from doing puzzles here
MSmits: but if you know a different language already then it;s a good way
DeclanEgerton: Makes sense
MSmits: (its what i did)
DeclanEgerton: I appreciate the support guys
VaseSimion: True, you need to learn the logic behid (I knew that), how loops and conditions work at least
DeclanEgerton: Ok, I'll see you all in a few weeks! :wink:
aguillaume: DeclanEgerton
you can learn here as well: https://www.codingame.com/learn
MSmits: yeah, computational thinking is a language independent skill
VaseSimion: https://automatetheboringstuff.com/ this is an amazing place for python
VaseSimion: and it helps with generic thining also for programming
KalamariKing: cg learn wasn't great for me tho, it didn't really help except for very specific and advanced use-cases
MSmits: that might be useful for me too VaseSimion
KalamariKing: when I was learning it did nothing for syntax, basics, etc
KalamariKing: just a warning
VaseSimion: I subscribe to Kalamari, codinggame learn section felt really hit or miss
DeclanEgerton: I've had a look through the /learn section I noticed a lot of it was in foreign languages which unfortunately I didn't understand
MSmits: yeah it's not the easiest way to learn
DeclanEgerton: The sections did seem very specific too rather than a generic beginner style
MSmits: maybe just do a dedicated basic programming course
KalamariKing: Exactly
AntiSquid: isn't the foreign language stuff all just translated tutorials from elsewhere ?
Gabbek: sorry, I was eating -- DeclanEgerton you can also try https://www.jetbrains.com/academy/
KalamariKing: 45min y'all ready
Gabbek: not sponsored or anything, I just think it's an amazing learning platform :)
AntiSquid: Gabbek how much do you payt for that?
AntiSquid: or how much do they pay you ?
AntiSquid: KalamariKing i lost the link to that picture
DeclanEgerton: jetbrains looks good, they seem to offer added free time for completing the first assignments too that's a good incentive for sure
VaseSimion: Just find some course you feel you like until you learn how loops, variables and conditions work. After that this is a great place to test your problem solving skills and improve them. Here you learn a lot by doing, but the basics you need to learn outside (like MSmits suggested )
Gabbek: you can get like 3-4 months for free if you do a bit of work on it and get a referral link
aguillaume: https://www.codecademy.com/learn/introduction-to-javascript this is also a good starting point. people I know liked using it
AntiSquid: i hate codecademy
DeclanEgerton: While I've got you guys here that seems to know what you're doing
ZarthaxX: why
aguillaume: :joy:
AntiSquid: also that tutorial is way below freecodecamp aguillaume
DeclanEgerton: I'm looking to career change and completely go head first into software development
DeclanEgerton: What language would you learn first in my position
MSmits: the html/css course on codecademy is good at least. I had some students do it and they just breeze through
AntiSquid: why i hate codecademy ZarthaxX ? bugs, lots of bugs, slow, it's ok content wise but didn't do much for me
DeclanEgerton: I know basic HTML
DeclanEgerton: I'm currently using MIMO which is really good I've learnt quite a lot from this app
KalamariKing: DeclanEgerton depends. Some software dev paths go for low-level like c++, others something like java or python even
VaseSimion: If you want to save your sanity do not go for C and embedded C.
DeclanEgerton: It's great because I can code on my break at work via mobile
DeclanEgerton: I'm considering javascript/python
AntiSquid: i remember pages freezing on me for no god damn reason on codecademy or some puzzle not passing for hell knows what reason but my solution was correct
KalamariKing: while I see less of it here, I know python is used a lot in data science
MSmits: AntiSquid I guess they had some courses with bugs
MSmits: the ones i did were mostly ok
AntiSquid: like 50% of them or at least the ones i wanted to try out
MSmits: when i just started learning, i did everything i could find on codecademy
KalamariKing: python is more 'fluid', and java is more structured, if that makes sense (implicit types --> harder to accidentally assign wrong val)
DeclanEgerton: You'd think a website as popular as that would be squashing bugs ASAP
AntiSquid: this was years ago, but memory is very alive MSmits
MSmits: also ruby, python js, sql etc,.
Gabbek: DeclanEgerton I would suggest doing some market research - what kind of languages are the most popular for something you would like to do.
aguillaume: lol fair enough. not seen freecodecamp before, but seems like a good resource as well.
I learned a lot from code school... but its no longer a thing :( it got taken over by pluralsight and its much worse now
KalamariKing: I prefer java/cpp for fast execution, python for fast/short code, you decide what you want to do
AntiSquid: aguillaume freecodecamp is massive compared to codecademy if you're just looking for JS
inoryy: data science is split between R and Python, but for ML Python is king yes
AntiSquid: not sure about the people there today, but they were very skilled and knowledgeable years ago
DeclanEgerton: I've had a nosey at some apprenticeships too and they all train you in javascript, that seems to be the most "in demand" for big employers for sure
MSmits: DeclanEgerton depends on what you're going to do at these big employers
inoryy: and depends what do you mean by "big"
MSmits: different jobs require different languages
DeclanEgerton: big being corporate like COOP autotrader etc
AntiSquid: even if you say big employers, i'm sure you got it all wrong, since not everyone in every god damn department needs to know JS :D
DeclanEgerton: btw I appreciate all the links you have given me I've made note of them all
Zenoscave: My team uses everything from java to c# to TS
MSmits: teamspeak? Gaming at work huh?
inoryy: badumtss
Zenoscave: Typescript ;)
AntiSquid: typeshit
aguillaume: I've had people come from coding apprentiships. people find it a bit hit and miss.. but JS is their language of choice because you can do front end, backend and database all with one language. So it lowers the entry bar.
inoryy: or should I say badum.ts
DeclanEgerton: I think, as a complete beginner if I focus on mastering JS as much as I can and then move into other languages more focused on what I want to do career-wise
KalamariKing: That sounds like a good plan
KalamariKing: 18sec coc letsgo
inoryy: yes, that is a sound plan DeclanEgerton
AntiSquid: i think it depends what you want to do, you can stick to JS not an issue
Zenoscave: But learning more languages (after getting a grip on one) isn't an issue either. Solid plan all around
DeclanEgerton: Front end or back end software development is the goal at the moment
AntiSquid: came to wet your toes in the contest inoryy or are you doing it for real ?
DeclanEgerton: but I'm sure as my knowledge grows I could change paths
BlaiseEbuth: https://www.thisisalink.com
Zenoscave: DeclanEgerton you've got the right idea there
KalamariKing: blaise why did I get a privacy err
inoryy: AntiSquid I'll probably do the usual unless it really pulls me in
Zenoscave: Because they used the wrong cert for the domain KalamariKing
KalamariKing: Zenoscave do they also own .parkingcrew.net? That's where the cert is from
KalamariKing: Oh lmao its 'buy this domain'
Zenoscave: I'm guessing but the net runs to a domain monetizing .com
Zenoscave: BlaiseEbuth What is that all about
Zenoscave: Did I fall for overt clickbait
KalamariKing: lmao i think we did
Lachrymosa: 30 minutes from now
BlaiseEbuth: I'm re-making my chat client, and I need it to open links in the browser. So I need links to test
Lachrymosa: https://www.moanmyip.com/
Zenoscave: https://lsmith.zenoscave.com/
Zenoscave: Self bump of old blog I forgot to update
Tiramon: you need more content for that blog Zenoscave
Zenoscave: absolutely. When I remember to have content
Zenoscave: wait what was I forgetting now?
Lachrymosa: to be content
Zenoscave: ^^^
gigolo: have fun :)
Tiramon: fun will start in 26min ;)
Tiramon: if they are not late ...
gigolo: :)
ANJACE_Z: What will happen in 26 min?
AntiSquid: fun starts when you celebrate
AntiSquid: ANJACE_Z it's when clash of coders will complain their clash is slow and ignore the fact that there's a contest going on
Tiramon: :thumbsup:
Zenoscave: AntiSquid every contest ...
Tiramon: any guess how long it will take this time to slow the page down enough?
Zenoscave: 30 min
AntiSquid: is it me or aren't that many signed up this time?
MSmits: uh 12k?
Gabbek: think it was 16k last time?
Zenoscave: I'm not sure of the final number before start.
AntiSquid: 17k last time
AntiSquid: nvm i thought it was closer to 20k
ANJACE_Z: What happens in a contest?
ANJACE_Z: this is my first time
AntiSquid: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2021
Lachrymosa: contestants compete
AntiSquid: here you go btw
alopikon: 17 k at the end of the contest*
AntiSquid: just so you have the link at least
Zenoscave: It's like a multiplayer but leagues open every couple of days.
Zenoscave: Multiplayers are finished/previous contests mostly
Lachrymosa: Euler has been busy and introduced a few non-contest multiplayers though :3
Tiramon: same as with most bot games ANJACE_Z but you just have limited time
Zenoscave: 11 days
ANJACE_Z: Tiramon by limited time u mean?
Tiramon: as zeno said 11 days
Tiramon: starting in about 19 mins
gigolo: today is the day :heart_eyes:
AntiSquid: how long will it take till someone spots a bug and complains : "i can't do x command properly on turn t"
Tiramon: 1h i guess
Tiramon: will only hapen in bronze and up i hope ;)
AntiSquid: tiraman were you a tester ?
Tiramon: no
Lachrymosa: Does CG still send out nifty T-shirts?
Tiramon: even missed the last contest :(
gigolo: what is the most used language ? and the lowest can i see from previous contests ?
AntiSquid: C++ most used
Marchete: not really
BlaiseEbuth: Tiramon where do you get that badge
Marchete: I'd say python or JS
AntiSquid: at the top
Tiramon: gigolo filter and have fun
https://www.codingame.com/contests/fall-challenge-2020/leaderboard/global
gigolo: :kissing_heart:
MSmits: c++ is most used by top players because in some cases it gives an advantage
MSmits: so they are used to it
Tiramon: what badge?
Marchete: by top players != most used
MSmits: right
AntiSquid: i wouldn't count wood bots since they quit too fast
AntiSquid: last contest 4k in wood
BlaiseEbuth: The moderator one, :eyes:
MSmits: also if you count most used by time spent coding with the language, then it's c++
Tiramon: also c++ only gives some advantages if you know how to use it ;)
Marchete: ok, adding imaginary rules, you are ready to blame about language times and codegolf
Tiramon: Blaise i'm moderator for i guess 5 years ...
AntiSquid: i thought we talk about contest
Tiramon: because thibaud asked me ;)
BlaiseEbuth: Oh. You were absent for a long time...
Marchete: are you sure Tiramon? I never saw you on chat before...
BlaiseEbuth: Same
Tiramon: :P
Marchete: :kissing_smiling_eyes:
Esdeathmylove: lol
MSmits: who is this Tiramon
AntiSquid: it's not an imaginary rule though i doubt 4k people are stuck in wood, i am sure they simply quit early on, so ...
Esdeathmylove: why u all are drunk already?
inoryy: you could say anyone below #1 quit too early
Tiramon: as always AntiSquid
Marchete: they are players nevertheless
MSmits: yes but Marchete, do you count by players using the language or time spent coding
Marchete: ahh good question
MSmits: if the 2nd, then it's c++ for sure
Zenoscave: oh god chat scrolled
Marchete: most used as bot count by language
AntiSquid: Esdeathmylove i dropped that manga halfway through, i tried ... but it's not good enough
MSmits: then it's not c++ i guess
Marchete: it's the only measure we can do
inoryy: how about total lines of code written
MSmits: then still c++
Zenoscave: Or my c#...
Zenoscave: I'm a little verbose
Marchete: total lines? Java and then C#
Lachrymosa: Count by characters used modulo i where i is ascending numbers in the fibbonaci sequence correlated to a lookup that determines which language gets which order in the sequence. Thems the rules.
AntiSquid: so do we count all players that submit default code and count it as participation ?
Marchete: yes
AntiSquid: what if all default submits are D-lang for fun ?
Zenoscave: I submit the default code immediately usualy
gmessier: Last contest 1.Python 2.C++ 3.Java 4.C#
inoryy: nice, python number one
Lachrymosa: snek
MSmits: thats why i think if you count lines it's C++
MSmits: because it takes way more lines to do the same thing in C++
MSmits: also top players write more lines
AntiSquid: java 3rd and above c# ? what is wrong with the world?
MSmits: than average
inoryy: can't outrun the snake
Lachrymosa: the ++ stands for how many extra lines there are
Lachrymosa: it just keeps adding
inoryy: lol Lachrymosa
Zenoscave: then C++++ is more
Marchete: C# have 4 +
Zenoscave: the # is really 4 +'s
ANJACE_Z: ur ranks r very good
Marchete: I win
inoryy: haha
Zenoscave: look up. I said C++++ before you
Marchete: C# is not c++++
ANJACE_Z: c#=c+++bash
Zenoscave: But the # == 4 +'s i thought
AntiSquid: it's 4th
jke: no server issues this year? 🤞
inoryy: c# is java++ so only 2 +'s
Zenoscave: It isn't J
AntiSquid: haha
Zenoscave: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_J_Sharp
Lachrymosa: But with # it hides them in a better bundle so on the surface it doesn't take up as much space as ++++. C++ isn't as wrapped up so it "looks" bigger but C# probably has more happening in the backside (Don't shoot, I'm just a boy)
Zenoscave: Lachrymosa I'm stealing that for lectures next semster
orangesnowfox: hiiii
Lachrymosa: Noice :D
Gabbek: hi, hi
fredrik_lundq: whats up?
Lachrymosa: I've always thought I'd like to "retire" by being a professor at a junior college or something
AntiSquid: how about a C[+]+ ?
Zenoscave: Lol I'm far from that stage
Gabbek: You're a teacher, Zenoscave?
Marchete: ++C is faster
Zenoscave: Student lectern
Marchete: or I've heard
inoryy: haha being a prof is farthest from retiring
Thiesjoo: :hand_splayed:
Zenoscave: only if it's reference ;)
Gabbek: *googles lectern word* :P
Lachrymosa: thats why retire was in quotes lol, my wife is an ESL prof. so i know it's work.
Zenoscave: *google lectern to make sure i didn't use the wrong word again*
Zenoscave: Lecturer***
Gabbek: cool stuff!
ANJACE_Z: i thought lectern=lecturer+intern
Lachrymosa: I just can't make the kind of money I want in teaching without being extremely competitive in it, so I'd rather rack up some retirement revenue and then teach for the love of it comfortably
AntiSquid: ya was wondering if it's some new "trendy" wording for a job title
araba1000: E
Zenoscave: Nah just a podium. I confuse words a lot
KalamariKing: yall ready? 5 minnutes
Lachrymosa: 7:28 for me
orangesnowfox: 7.5 actually
ANJACE_Z: 7.18
Zenoscave: Every time... We all know the start changes in countdown
gigolo: 7
Zenoscave: 15 seconds to go and the chat will scroll like a gregorian monk
KalamariKing: oh 9 minutes, sorry
MSmits: mmh not sure that expression makes sense
Lachrymosa: complete with whacking of foreheads
Zenoscave: gregorian monks wrote lots of scrolls. It was a reach
MSmits: do gregorian monks read scrolls?
MSmits: ohh
MSmits: ok
MSmits: go tit
MSmits: got it
Zenoscave: who's tit?
Scarfield: xD
Lachrymosa: tat's brother
AntiSquid: scam caller might ring the phone when contest starts, so better make sure it's off
MSmits: lol
Zenoscave: quick someone ping euler so he knows not to miss it
Esdeathmylove: drink more
Esdeathmylove: dream more
Lachrymosa: @eulerscheZahl
MSmits: AntiSquid what if they have information that your computer is compromised
Lachrymosa: :D
AntiSquid: eulerscheZahl
jrke: 5 mins to go
Zenoscave: I FORGOT TO GET FOOD
Nerchio: eulerscheZahl
MSmits: you dont want to start the contest with a hacked computer
orangesnowfox: eulerscheZahl :)
MSmits: and they can fix it for you
Zenoscave: euler I'm sorry for bringing on the pings
Tiramon: at least you might survive til tomorrow this way zeno
Lachrymosa: all hail HypnoToad
MSmits: eulerscheZahl is here just in time?>
AntiSquid: will first run a few batch games to see if it's compromised by a sentient AI MSmits
kovi: smurfs are ready?
MSmits: good idea
yhyoxx: pff
AntiSquid: and ask them to call later
Zenoscave: wait smurfs can contest?
Zenoscave: Is that allowed even?
yhyoxx: smurfs should be banned
Illedan: Gl hf
Gabbek: Nerchio you'll have "CodinGame" in your profile when you'll be streaming?
maddenvvs: Good luck to all of you!
Nerchio: why not
Lachrymosa: just have them navigate a call tree that is actually a maze, if they can get out of it it rings your phone
Zenoscave: GL HF!!! Illedan I'm still reaching for C# first so watch out
jrke: do i have to refresh page after the timer gets to 00
jrke: ?
Illedan: No
Illedan: There is modern tech on CG doing it
MSmits: no jrke you just keep looking at it till monday 17 :P
Marchete: https://www.codingame.com/forum/t/spring-challenge-2021-bugs-questions/190526
Marchete: prepare your bugs
jrke: MS can't do that ;)
eXodiquas: When is Lisp coming to town? :(
eulerscheZahl: damn, the chat is killing Chromium again
eulerscheZahl: and firefox extremely laggy as well
Illedan: Already posted a bug
AntiSquid: remember to all submit at once when contest starts, it makes the server flow faster
MSmits: euler /?disableChat
MSmits: that's what i am doing
eulerscheZahl: i think so
Lachrymosa: waffle stomping code into the server like a boss
KalamariKing: 6 minutes :eyes:
putibuzu: Nerchio = SC2 Nerchio?
struct: yes
Zenoscave: STOP SCROLLING I can't ^C/^v
Astrobytes: wtf, chat is fked
Zenoscave: thanks you may continue
MSmits: zeno is losing it already
AntiSquid: yes ask him to play sc with you putibuzu
orangesnowfox: idk what you're all talking about, chat is fine lol
Astrobytes: scroll-ololl-ololl
DomiKo: good luck!
eXodiquas: Why is it that a second takes longer the first time you look at the timer?
struct: glhf
jrke: for the first time i am experiencing contest opening
gigolo: 😍️❤️🎊️ good luck everybod, have fun . Thanks for the contest
Gabbek: have fun everyone and enjoy! :)
Thiesjoo: glhf, let's see if i can get out of silver this time
Lachrymosa: I dont have it on my phone anymore but I wonder if using an IRC client would make chat behave better
KalamariKing: 5 min everyone
Zenoscave: gl hf
Zhmyh: here we go again...
Scarfield: hfhf
aCat: :joy_cat:
bjy: gl hf dd
ZarthaxX: GLLLLLLLLLL
Zenoscave: KalamariKing there's only a 1 min...
Gabbek: aCat - your avatar is missing, damn :D
aCat: < 1 min
orangesnowfox: eXodiquas because of your brain
KalamariKing: 3 mins here we go
AntiSquid: KalamariKing contest starts soon
Piols: glhf
jrke: i think chat will stop at 00 cause everyone will then type the code
Astrobytes: I'll join a bit later, doing other things rn
Lachrymosa: Only 4 minutes to go!
KiwiTae: there is a 4h rush this time?
Imi.obvious: poggers
KalamariKing: 3
KalamariKing: 2
KalamariKing: 1
jrke: 5 secs
Thiesjoo: here we go
ZarthaxX: gl
MSmits: Thiesjoo!
KalamariKing: glhf everyone
ANJACE_Z: glhf
MSmits: hf
KiwiTae: server crashing in 10min
KiwiTae: hf
AntiSquid: spam
DaNinja: mkdir spring21
ItsAFeature: glhf
Thiesjoo: 504 already
IvesL: network error lmao
kovi: hexa
Queuebee: Lol
ZarthaxX: oh god hexagon
RedRikudo: yep crashed xD
bjy: 504, ded
eXodiquas: GG Kappa
E_pur_si_muove: DDoS
MSmits: took me to onboarding
Zenoscave: well... So mouch for a sqaure grid BFS
Zhmyh: gl everyone
AntiSquid: CRAB
Scarfield: hex
eulerscheZahl: Something wrong happened
eulerscheZahl: uhm
Tiramon: there it is ....
Tiramon: there it dies ...
aCat: network error ?
IvesL: codingame: surprise mofos
KalamariKing: 504s anyone else
yhyoxx: huhu
bjy: welp...
Queuebee: Error loading Quest Map ^^
Lachrymosa: 504
Imi.obvious: 504 here
jrke: yes
eulerscheZahl: for the protocol: i predicted hex long ago
jrke: 504
kvfi: its ca,cemmed
struct: Network error : status 504
AntiSquid: RIP
Zenoscave: gateway timeout immediately
eXodiquas: did he dieded?
kvfi: cancelled
gigolo: 504
Imi.obvious: F
KalamariKing: lmao thats a rip
AntiSquid: Automaton2000 fix it
leocrabe225: Works for me
orangesnowfox: poor server lol
KalamariKing: nice start everyone
ChuckBartholomew: d'oh!
yhyoxx: we all win
eXodiquas: F
Automaton2000: but then i need to do that with the other
Piemert: I'm currently in bronze league
AntiSquid: Automaton2000 dead ?
Zenoscave: Still could be the 4 hour rush
Automaton2000: need to get that with a simple bot
IvesL: email received: "Let's get cracking!"
surely we are cracking
Marchete: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2021
Tiramon: [CG]Thibaud you broke it ...
ANJACE_Z: guyz i won
MSmits: something is
ANJACE_Z: i pressed back to home xD
eXodiquas: And the moral of the story is: It's the gateway in our heart which counts.
spiralpinata: network error, status 504
AntiSquid: 1st BUG ALREADY !! xaxaxax
spiralpinata: wtf is that
Marchete: ohh community starter
AntiSquid: haha starters but none for c++
Westicles: hex!
MSmits: python js and java
d34db33f_bot: @spiralpinata, the same
Tiramon: ok you guessed 30min until it breaks the site ... nobody expected 5s ;)
AntiSquid: there even is one for java
AntiSquid: typical
Bashar: 504 anyone?
youdontknowme: me too
MSmits: everyone :)
Marchete: stop DDOSing!
DimSumSaying: 504....lol
eXodiquas: I got thrown into the onboarding tutorial
NotSureWhyThisWorks: me too
Westicles: The game takes place in a forest, in which gentle wood spirits reside. Their job is to make sure trees complete their lifecycle.
Marchete: who cares? you have the referee
ANJACE_Z: i cant see the spring challenge after reloading
MSmits: but AntiSquid said we all have to submit
KAbel: 504
Adidinamite: guys how much time do i have for this condingame spring challenge
Allsimon: 502, 504
spiralpinata: is it a ddos attack
Piemert: Can I use Qbasic as my preferred language this season?
E_pur_si_muove: we caused that DDoS :)
Zenoscave: Adidinamite Less than 11 days
MSmits: Adidinamite 11 days minus the time it takes before its fixed :P
Adidinamite: thanks you so much
[CG]jupoulton2: I'm told the servers will scale up and should stabilize soon enough
MSmits: ah i am in finally
Zenoscave: I win MSmits
MSmits: turning chat off, ttyl :0
AntiSquid: MSmits ya idk, thought they'd have more server capacity ready for contests after these many years :D
eulerscheZahl: shall I trust the staff member that doesn't even get his own avatar loaded?
AntiSquid: all submit to stress test, we got to make sure the servers don't die mid contest, that would be a pity
eulerscheZahl: oh, now i see the avatar
Lachrymosa: Don't wanna pay for what you don't need, just let it scale up on it's own even if theres a delay
AntiSquid: that's jup's alt, not sure why he has one though
LordSkaven: where can I check the language versions we can use?
orangesnowfox: "wait, you all can submit?"
DaNinja: hexagons?!
eulerscheZahl: LordSkaven https://www.codingame.com/faq
Tiramon: ok ide and chat open ... and only a few 504 ... looks good
LordSkaven: hexagons are bestagons
LordSkaven: thanks euler
Piemert: No Qbasic, I'm out
Marchete: ugh, hex
ZarthaxX: Marchete yep, wanna quit?
Marchete: already quitted
Marchete: quit
ZarthaxX: LOL
jrke: lol i wrote COMPETE instead of COMPLETE
gigolo: good now
ANJACE_Z: totoboss is pretty strong
AlPaca: hmm
AlPaca: problems with connectivity?
AlPaca: can't even ping codingame.com
ChemyR: me too
struct: Marchete and ZarthaxX it fits easily in a bitboard
ZarthaxX: i know
ZarthaxX: i was gonna do that lol
Marchete: I'm 504 a bit more
ZarthaxX: smito gonna smash
ZarthaxX: :D
struct: same
Marchete: yeah, I'm already hearing it
jrke: lol i think i coded exactly boss code
jrke: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/546529968
Marchete: "I have it packed in 8 bits, and I do 8million sim per turn"
ZarthaxX: its better to leave cg for a bit to stabilize right?
ZarthaxX: LOL
Narutofan1: Im 9
MSmits: lol...
ZarthaxX: MSmits you better get 1st place
Astrobytes: My IDE loaded in D and every time I try to change it to C++ I get a 504 :rofl:
MSmits: we'll see what the game looks like from bronze
Thiesjoo: Slow and steady wins the race (:
d34db33f_bot: --- codingame.com ping statistics ---
1024 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss
MSmits: might be more complex
struct: can anyone link the contest?
Thiesjoo: Heya MSmits
jrke: Astrobytes same happened with me ago
ZarthaxX: sure
MSmits: hey Thiesjoo
ZarthaxX: lets wait fopr those full rules :D
Samer: network error? is there a problem with the website?
MSmits: I'll be turning chat off when i can make the link work :P
jrke: yes Samer
MSmits: https://www.codingame.com/ide/challenge/spring-challenge-2021/?disableChat
MSmits: this
MSmits: still timing out
inoryy: thank you CG for being considerate of work hours
AntiSquid: 10 days 17 hours and 48 minutes
jrke: so i have 35 secs to get wood 1
Narutofan1: Bash c++ Im 9 and I Don't know anything about it
daffie: I smell sarcasm
Narutofan1: 9
Narutofan1: 9
Narutofan1: 9
struct: stop spamming
Narutofan1: 9
jrke: i think we should not reload site a lot
besopmac: Hey all. Just testing.
Narutofan1: ok
Marchete: Illedan how did you pass that fast?
Narutofan1: im 9
Narutofan1: who whats to 1v1
Narutofan1: Im rank 16,903
Narutofan1: :expressionless:
jrke: struct since how long you are first/
Narutofan1: 2 days
jrke: leaderboard having bug like last year
Narutofan1: rdyfvtr755de86nb57frrrdev46%FR&746#^%&
struct: jrke I cant recall
Narutofan1: why
aCat: https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/6666b34849b94f9c3c3427c9f7103e0c7acf
struct: Because you are spamming
aCat: all leagues upload
jrke: lol players' submission ended before boss in wood 1
Thiesjoo: Is bronze already open?
Tiramon: up to bronze yes
KiwiTae: Marchete illedan had his bot ready for any games
inoryy: W1 boss still not out?
Scarfield: yes, silver opens up the 10th, click on league next to the countdown and your rank
PatrickMcGinnisII: someone post a replay. Just got here.
Dr-D: Wood league was never named better =D
struct: inoryy I think its stuck
Tiramon: ok so lets see how long promotion takes
jrke: stucked due lots of battle
jrke: wood1 boss is currently computing
Narutofan1: bad
inoryy: struct huh, didn't realize they submitted W1 boss as well
Narutofan1: im laptop
gigolo: yay promoted
gigolo: :heart_eyes:
struct: yeah but is stuck in 11% :/
Tiramon: You now have the ability to make trees GROW!
gigolo: yes
Piemert: if (i == numberOfPossibleMoves - 1)
Console.WriteLine(possibleMove);
How many of you submitted the same?
Narutofan1: im bad at programing
KalamariKing: lol same
Tiramon: no i made a sort on trees and cells
orangesnowfox: You're all submitting already? :p
plopy23: join Cfm-Team
plopy23: arf…
jrke: boss still at 11% like 10 mins ago
Marchete: why does it take that long?
Scarfield: already 300 players submitted
player_one: So looks like this contest is: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/218603/photosynthesis
Marchete: but the boss takes much longer than others
Thiesjoo: Are bronze promotions not working?
Scarfield: i suppose its because the boss has not finished (?)
Thiesjoo: All my battles are marked as complete
jrke: yes
jrke: thiesjoo but boss's battles not completed
Thiesjoo: Oh wiat the boss battles
Thiesjoo: ah nvm
jrke: my battles are also completed and i am above boss but still...
Marchete: until the boss ends
Marchete: time to know what's this game about
jrke: ^+1
struct: I think they are checking the boss
struct: at least I reported it
jrke: checking what?
eulerscheZahl: hey struct when #1?
struct: when bronze opens
jrke: and 100% winrate
jrke: ;)
jrke: oke boss is so lazy so, i am going to have break and then dinner to get back to coding
jrke: bye
Manchi_o6o7: Guys, how can I get the input of a NxM 2d array from a file, in C
Narutofan1: :expressionless:
TheBatMan_TM: what's the spring challenge?
ANJACE_Z: https://www.codingame.com/ide/challenge/spring-challenge-2021
TheBatMan_TM: no i mean what is it for?
Marchete: something related to shadows?
TheBatMan_TM: ?
Uljahn: online competition for 11 days
Dr-D: It is for fun?
Marchete: like if you have a bigger tree others won't grow?
Scarfield: no idea, but the yellow arrows in the replays i suppose is the sunlight direction
Narutofan1: what is Bash
Dr-D: Very good idea @ scarfield
Marchete: sun->big tree->small tree (no grow)
Dr-D: Makes totally sense
Scarfield: probably marche
Narutofan1: wht is c++
orangesnowfox: wow, 55 better than the wood 2 boss all of a sudden
Gabbek: seems like direction matters; perhaps blocking later on?
Narutofan1: what is go
Scarfield: maybe you cant plant on a cell with a shadow, lets see
Gabbek: I'm happier than with potions, guess I'm a tree guy :)
Marchete: what is what
Marchete: line directions on hex....
Scarfield: im ok with line directions, but the indexing is going to be a pain i think
Marchete: at least is just 2 players
JormaW: Hoooly moly this spring challenge game is a doozy
KalamariKing: Are you all doing a 2d array with shifted rows or a 3d hex rep
Uljahn: yes
Scarfield: bitboard i think
struct: boss is moving
struct: nice
orangesnowfox: Currently? I'm doing a 1d array with precomputed neighbors (read: the way they give it to you)
struct: All I did was bitboard
struct: easier than grid
Waffle3z: getting a warning that my code didn't read all available input before printing. pretty sure it did though
Lachrymosa: don't print your action within the for loops that are reading in the inputs
Scarfield: outputting twice in same turn?
Waffle3z: oh yeah I'm printing multiple times
jacek: noob
Scarfield: lol
Waffle3z: it works though
LordSkaven: one line of logic to beat wood 1 interesting
struct: jacek will you play since its a board game?
Marchete: extra rules available in higher leagues are:
Choose where to plant trees, trees will also cast shadows on neighbouring trees.
AntiSquid: this gardening business getting out of hand
Beresta: full ruleset is in bronze or later?
struct: also more rounds = total 24
jacek: struct maybe. its even hex!
Marchete: bronze, and in github
eulerscheZahl: you can already see the sun at the edges moving around
eulerscheZahl: bronze = final rules
Marchete: 100ms per turn
AntiSquid: in legend you need to chop the trees and make a computer desk out of it Beresta
ZarthaxX: 100ms :OOOO
Beresta: :D
Marchete: you need to arm an IKEA shrondenfurl
ZarthaxX: first time they put 100ms for a contest? :thinking:
JormaW: How much programming knowledge would you say this spring challenge needs? Because im really lost and im not sure if its at all possible for me
itzluku: why do print cmds dont show an output ?_?
eulerscheZahl: do you remeber my contest prediction? 68c9c0f65e242d686fe26fffc1a830ad7451a2ae4238a9d3f30e0d913e4b2b6c
see https://cg.spdns.eu/wiki/Chat:World/2021-04-08
eulerscheZahl: I predicted
echo -n "hex board, growing trees" | sha256sum
Uljahn: itzluku: are you printing wait?
aCat: JormaW seems you can go pretty fur just with if-ology ;-)
Lachrymosa: itzluku are you sending the print to an err stream?
Marchete: too suspicious euler
Marchete: as usual
itzluku: im printing a dictionary with possible moves
JormaW: Okay.. But like am i supposed to start by analyzing that 100+ lines of code from github?
itzluku: there are inputs u get, think the name was possible_move
LegendKrazy: any idea why the game viewer might be greyed out for me?
aCat: just read the statement lol ;]
dbdr: eulerscheZahl, how did you guess it?
eulerscheZahl: try with addons disabled
eulerscheZahl: and activate or deactivate hardware acceleration
eulerscheZahl: magic dbdr
dbdr: ezpz
AntiSquid: :/
jacek: wait, w00t? they give you possible moves?
Gabbek: aye, to make it more accessible
struct: yes jacek
Beresta: yea, wood 1 is just printing last possible move :D
zasmu: when is bronze opening ?
eulerscheZahl: when boss is at 100%
eulerscheZahl: 86% done
AntiSquid: when the sun shines bright
itzluku: ah u have to do print("WAIT"+xyz)
itzluku: lol
MrFruit: I accidently created a pretty good bot in Spring Challenge lol
MrFruit: ...for wood 2 league
ZarthaxX: toad did you find a replay of this game before contest? :thinking:
eulerscheZahl: no
Hjax: euler read structs mind actually
Hjax: thats the secret
eulerscheZahl: that was in April, before struct was testing
eulerscheZahl: early April*
struct: 86%, come on, I want to be first for a sec :(
eulerscheZahl: first or delete
Hjax: imagine if struct submitted and wasnt first
jacek: so who created the amazons?
zahariaca: what was the command to shout something?
Thiesjoo: Promoted!
eulerscheZahl: yay
Tiramon: WAIT <message>
ZarthaxX: oh so struct tested 1 month before contest??
struct: not 1 month
eulerscheZahl: no, i made my guess before struct tested
eulerscheZahl: so he didn't have the chance to leak that guess to me
Hjax: bronze is opening
AntiSquid: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/96de4024-7f32-4bf8-be8e-efe0baf34db8
ZarthaxX: when structo
Thiesjoo: Jessir
struct: ok I submited
struct: 16/04 ZarthaxX
Lachrymosa: Bronze here I come!
Tiramon: why does it end at Round 5/23
struct: wood 1 rule
ZarthaxX: struct oh thats not much..
ZarthaxX: thought they tested it way before that
Tiramon: oh there ...
For this league, the game lasts the time it takes for the sun to circle around the board 1 time. This means players have 6 days to play.
AntiSquid: screenshot time ladder shuffling :o
struct: cg probably did
ZarthaxX: then why they need others mhm
AntiSquid: 1st
ZarthaxX: AntiSquid gz :P
AntiSquid: done, i can stop playing
ZarthaxX: END THE CONTEST NOW
why_anonymous: how to use sun point
Marchete: top10, end it now :D
Illedan: Gimme 30 min before sim is done
emh: I plant I grow I win. veni vidi vici
Illedan: Hi em
Marchete: do you have a working sim in 1 hour?
emh: Hi Illedan
ZarthaxX: he is crazy lol
struct: please no Illedan
struct: Let me have my 10 minutes of fame
Illedan: Game is super easy?
ZarthaxX: hai illooo :*
Tiramon: before i start to build a sim i want bronze rules first ;)
Marchete: me too
Illedan: ahhhh, I have. togo eat dinner -.-
Illedan: but THEN
Illedan: I need to code somethign with the sim too :D
AntiSquid: you have dessert
Tiramon: atleast it seems that i handled wood 1 now
Nerchio: silver doesn't come out today right
Nerchio: its on monday or smth
DomiKo: top5 end end end
Gabbek: Nerchio think it's only bronze for 2-3 days
ZarthaxX: yep Nerchio
struct: not yet, hold on a few more minutes
AntiSquid: 1st end it .
ZarthaxX: AntiSquid 1st again nice
struct: not for long
AntiSquid: what's my prize anyway?
ZarthaxX: struct submitted the killer?
Tiramon: ascreenshot of you beeing first ... if you are fast enough
struct: I submited my best version I think yes
AntiSquid: canvas and shirts i see#
Marchete: and ended 15th bronze :D
Tiramon: damn i fogot how long it takes to stabilize ranking on contest start days
eulerscheZahl: i forgot what contests are
eulerscheZahl: 2 a year is too less to remember
Tiramon: :thumbsup:
Marchete: spooky
AntiSquid: way too few i guess, but can suplement with awesome contests like gocoder
Piols: do sun points go over to the next day?
Marchete: spooky = cast.size >= other.size
Marchete: I don't see a lot of BFS
AntiSquid: time to read statement
struct: I hope my bot can make it to silver
Marchete: this damn game is perfect for Smits and his sexy bitboards
MrFruit: I keep getting tying
Waffle3z: anyone else only winning or drawing and never losing?
MrFruit: 5 ties in a row
struct: even I did bitboards and never did them before besides uttt
Waffle3z: is wood 1 solved?
AntiSquid: Marchete, must be how he picked up his girlfriend
Marchete: there are bitboards and bitboards
AntiSquid: showing her the bitboards
struct: Waffle3z me :p
Marchete: lol
Marchete: well packed bitboards
Tiramon: boss is at rank 173 atm .. guess yes Waffle3z
darkhorse64: titboards
darkhorse64: ?
MrFruit: ??
stefan-gg: for some reason i cannot harvest size 3 tree did anoybody had the same problem i code in java ?
TheBatMan_TM: how do i run a flask app (site) in repl.it?
Gabbek: stefan-gg you can't if it's dormant
AntiSquid: a single long long int
TheBatMan_TM: https://replit.com/@kaushikkalesh/Online-Notes
MACKEYTH: Do you have enough sun points, stefan-gg?
struct: stefan-gg maybe you didnt have enough suns?
MACKEYTH: Are you sure it's your tree?
TheBatMan_TM: AntiSquid moved up to 9th huh?
stefan-gg: it stays dormant just for 1 turn right? yes i had enough sun and im sure its my tree bcs i use isMine bool
AntiSquid: ?
Zenoscave: Ok got my basic BFS ready for the game in Hex, have my basic layout ready. time for bronze soon I hope
MACKEYTH: I hope there aren't any huge changes in mechanics between leagues
ZarthaxX: why bfs
ZarthaxX: are u crazy :D
Marchete: BFS for what?
ZarthaxX: wtf LOL
Zenoscave: No idea.
Marchete: ok
ZarthaxX: it wont help
AntiSquid: TheBatMan_TM huh?
Zenoscave: is pathfinding not needed?
Beresta: for bronze you need just a super simple logic as usual :D
struct: nope
MrFruit: How is path finding going to help...?
Marchete: f both players send a seed to the same place on the same turn, neither seed is planted and the sun points are refunded. The source tree, however, still becomes dormant.
TheBatMan_TM: AntiSquid, your global rank is 9 now right? u were 11 earlier
AntiSquid: use A*
Zenoscave: no idea. Just assumed because grid
AntiSquid: earlier when? :P
inoryy: don't listen to them Zenoscave they're just haters
oneToBeReadyTwoToBeSteadyGo: How do you move to bronze?
ZarthaxX: Zenoscave F
Zenoscave: Not sure whose the troll here
MrFruit: You have to be number 1 I assume
Waffle3z: now I'm 9th
TheBatMan_TM: the last time i checked :p
MSmits: pathfinding for trees?
Zenoscave: I'll keep it til bronze
RoboStac: yeah, how would you know the best route to move your tree without pathfinding?
LordSkaven: I went crazy and did 6 lines of logic to get out of wood
Tiramon: grow richest tree possible and start completing them in time
Marchete: Growing a seed into a size Y-1 tree costs N sun point + the number of size Y trees you already own.
Marchete: bitcount here we go
Waffle3z: we might have like a 20-way tie at the top rn
MrFruit: I am pretty sure you can just print "COMPLETE {INDEX}"
MrFruit: you don't need to move there
TheBatMan_TM: Waffle3z yeah 28-9th
Waffle3z: went from 14th to 6th
MSmits: MrFruit that sounds really unrealistic though, I will do BFS for realism
MrFruit: :)
kuhnchris: I just advanced a League without doing anything LUL
Beresta: in wood 1 it is more like 100-way tie :D
SinOfWrath: By sheer dumb luck I got to bronze 8th with my 3 line Wood2 code. Start of the contest is always the funniest.
MrFruit: I am in wood 2
MrFruit: yikes
Marchete: man, a lot of rules
MrFruit: I don't know if thats good
ZarthaxX: lazy Marchete
Zenoscave: Bronze rules paste anywhere?
MSmits: boss is 178th
Zenoscave: or is it in ref
MSmits: in wood 1
kuhnchris: Boss terrible at his own rules heh.
Hoyer: Is it gonna get more complicated after bronze league
Marchete: yes
eulerscheZahl: have fun Zenoscave
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/8584b55e-d8b2-487a-8d69-5307028fcea8
dbdr: Marchete, did you forget botg?
AntiSquid: you've been here before hoyer, you should know
MrFruit: The leaderboard keeps updating
MrFruit: lol
Marchete: no
MSmits: bronze rules are the most complicated
MrFruit: I can't even scroll down
Hoyer: Yes but it's been so long
Waffle3z: oh bronze is open
Zenoscave: thanks euler
MSmits: but players do make better bots later on
Thiesjoo: Hmmm
Marchete: but it gets more complicated on silver+
Beresta: I'm pretty sure that wood 1 boss just prints last possible move
MSmits: Thiesjoo did you beat wood 1 yet?
Marchete: MSmits prepare your bitboards
Thiesjoo: MSmits already in bronze (:
MSmits: haha good job
MSmits: i am waiting for submit
eulerscheZahl: thei was 2nd in wood1
MSmits: Thiesjoo is also a very fast clasher
AntiSquid: MSmits was already 1st, you missed it
MrFruit: Wait does it increment to next level or decrement? Like Wood 1 - Wood 5 or Wood 5 - Wood 1
eulerscheZahl: thiebt*
MSmits: so i am not surprised
Thiesjoo: But there are so many rules now
eulerscheZahl: damnit
Thiesjoo: Don't know what i should start with
Hjax: MrFruit wood 2, wood 1, then bronze
LordSkaven: I am only still in wood because I had to keep my family company for 30 minutes
MrFruit: o
MrFruit: thx
Lachrymosa: https://pastebin.com/T8FEFRj8 Bronze Rules if someone else didn't already throw them up
MSmits: Thiesjoo you can go with a bunch of heuristic rules i guess, i'll probably try to write some search, not sure yet how
Nerchio: wood1 and wood2 seem quite easy this time :D
MrFruit: oh no seeds
MSmits: will have to study the rules
Tiramon: hope i'm promoted to bronze til i'm home ;)
Marchete: seems interesting
AntiSquid: would have been simpler to just skip wood imo
inoryy: is 100ms / turn a new thing or that's been the case before?
AntiSquid: new
LordSkaven: was 50 last fall challenge
Thiesjoo: MSmits yeah my idea was scoring each tree, but to get that you need to simulate the entire game
Marchete: maybe there is a short game
Gabbek: damn, 2 spots behind the boss to advance :(
Marchete: it's*
AntiSquid: was more like 20 - 25 ms fall challenge :D
MSmits: Thiesjoo right, then that may be what should be done
inoryy: I guess leaderboard full of c++ it is
Marchete: C# or C++?
Thiesjoo: Don't think i can accomplish that in a slow language like JS/TS
struct: game is around 130 turns
MrFruit: Rank 2 Wood 2
MrFruit: Dang
MSmits: you can simulate the game, just not with as high a simcount
MrFruit: So many ties
schachmatt: Are bronze rules final?
Beresta: everything below legend should be fine in any language I guess
schachmatt: Or do they change again in silver
Marchete: C# have some limitations with some bit operations
KiwiTae: lets bet on when struct bot looses its first game
MSmits: what do you mean Marchete
Marchete: it tends to change byte to int
orangesnowfox: schachmatt they're final, unless they get changed for whatever reason
MSmits: oh yeah
MSmits: bit ops act on integers
Hjax: you cant complete your opponents trees right?
MSmits: so it needs to be cast to int
MSmits: but maybe in compilation it removes the cast
orangesnowfox: Hjax, it doesn't seem so
schachmatt: Thanks fox :laughing:
MSmits: so might not matter for speed Marchete
MrFruit: i am about to be promoted in 10 sec
Marchete: byte + byte = int
TheCrucial: is there a "draw" here? it seems draws are considered as someone's win
MrFruit: :o
Marchete: wth
MSmits: Marchete yes, the operator + acts on integers
MSmits: so it casts them to integers
orangesnowfox: TheCrucial: Draws have first place, and first place
struct: TheCrucial yes there are draws
Marchete: don't care, if I have byte +byte the result should be byte
MSmits: either implicitly or you need to do it explicitly, dont remember
Marchete: int + int != int64
MSmits: sure, but thats a design choice by the C# guys, must be a reason for it
Waffle3z: what does dormant affect? you can only do one action a day anyway, right?
Marchete: yes, actions
TheCrucial: ah I see, thanks. I've just seen myself "blured" when I have the same points. thought it is a loss
MSmits: not one action a day
MSmits: one action a turn
MSmits: multiple turns a day
MSmits: as many as you have sunpoints for
emh: got my covid vaccine today. first round
MSmits: grats
Waffle3z: forgot how you separate actions in a single print
emh: thx
mUusitalo: Aw man, this challenge looks like you just need raw horsepower like the previous two
Lachrymosa: emh be sure to work out the shoulder you got it in and HYDRATE
mUusitalo: and by horsepower i mean an efficient search
MSmits: Waffle3z you dont do that i think, unless its different in bronze
AntiSquid: emh i have the antibodies, no vax, should i get it ?
MSmits: a turn has 1 action
Marchete: it's simultaneous, no?
MSmits: but a day is not a turn
Firlain: is the graphic window down for the challenge ? (hi)
emh: Lachrymosa I did and I don't have any trouble hehe
MSmits: day has multiple turns = multiple actions
emh: except for the work out
emh: AntiSquid nahh I don't know I think antibodies are better no?
Nerchio: Players that are asleep do not receive input. Does this mean you lose information what your opponent is doing?
Marchete: yes, "both players perform one action simultaneously."
Lachrymosa: emh give it a day or two, I was lucky not to get anything but minor fatigue and some soreness on par with a gym day. But it's wrecked a few of my friends
struct: yes Nerchio
Marchete: damn
MSmits: Nerchio probably yeah, but since you know the full gamestate, it should not matter
emh: ohh wow
Nerchio: thats interesting
mUusitalo: Oh, that might be interesting
MSmits: unless you generally look at players actions to determine their playstyle during the game
Nerchio: MSmits true but you can wake up to a different reality by sleeping multiple turns in a row haha
MSmits: then not knowing might be a problem
MSmits: yes you can
MSmits: but the gamestate is all that matters
emh: Bronze. welcome
MSmits: history doesnt matter
MSmits: unless you want to use it to guess the opponent playstyle
Nerchio: true
struct: My bot completely ignores opponent, for now
Marchete: this game has a lot of possible actions
AntiSquid: time to view struct as the bronze boss and do something about it @_@
MSmits: Marchete yeah, but you can do only 1 per turn
Marchete: I mean for encoding
Marchete: like NN?
MSmits: that makes it a lot easier than the gitc style games
Marchete: this would be hell
MSmits: oh, right
MSmits: well you can do a value estimation
MSmits: just evaluate the gamestate
MSmits: output 1 number
Marchete: yeah
MSmits: not 1 for each action
Marchete: but your inputs?
MSmits: the gamestate
MSmits: so lots of input
MSmits: 37 cells, 37 treesizes etc.
Beresta: I wonder if anyone ever did a working NN for these competitions..?
Marchete: 37 cells *4 levels*2players*sunposition
Marchete: yes, they do
MSmits: Beresta at least for an unofficial contest someone did
MSmits: br2k
Beresta: its quite touch limit on source code size to encode any decently sized NN
Beresta: tough*
MSmits: most people do just fine for the boardgames we have on here
MSmits: and also csb/br2k
MSmits: but yeah, it's a consideration
Beresta: any articles to read on that>?
Marchete: don't even think about that on a contest
MSmits: I'll let someone else answer that. I sort of learned it from chat in tidbits
MSmits: yeah dont bother with it now really
dreadylein: there is an writeup from pb4 and agade i think about how they approached it for csb iirc
MSmits: the only people who have a chance of pulling that off are the ones that did it before and even they take a big risk trying it
Beresta: I have no goals in winning or anything, just having some fun in gold :P
MSmits: just do a heuristic bot and once you are done, try a search bot
emh: what are those creatures btw? Pokemons? Studio Ghiblis?
MSmits: anyways, going back to coding, or i will be chatting till midnight and get nothing done :)
Marchete: so?
MSmits: :P
Icebox: Hey hey
struct: hi Icebox
AntiSquid: you're alive!
MahirSez: Has bronze league started?
Icebox: Yes! Alive so far
Hjax: yes bronze is open
Lachrymosa: It is open yes
Hjax: never under estimate contests ability to resurrect the dead
ZarthaxX: Icebox hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
itzluku: lolol
itzluku: everyone is just deleteing trees in teh arena :D
Hjax: im at work so i can only watch on longingly for like 8 hours :(
Hjax: should have pulled a euler
NinjaDoggy: hi everyone :D
Beresta: hello bronze
itzluku: anyone streaming ?
ZarthaxX: hey NinjaDoggy :*
MadKnight: Automaton2000 when stream? i'm still waiting
Automaton2000: i don't think it was more like a popularity vote, who can mobilize the most players
struct: please have mercy on my bot, dont test too much against it
MadKnight: no way
Lachrymosa: Ahoy MadKnight
Hjax: i refuse struct
AntiSquid: you're the bronze boss struct .
MadKnight: Automaton2000 we have to hack CG to steal struct's bot to test against it locally on my GPU which can run 2816 threads in parallel
Automaton2000: no, but would there be a problem daninja?
struct: no chance
struct: for it to be bronze boss
DaNinja: eh?
Hjax: lol the bot summoned someone
itzluku: so the structure is, opimize your bot to beat the next "boss" and so on
itzluku: not making one perfect bot top down
MadKnight: AutomatonNN u did it again
itzluku: ?
DaNinja: someone ban Automation2000!
Dr-D: Optimize it to beat all players, one of them will get a new boss ;)
Scarfield: get a higher score than the boss, so win against both players and boss
MadKnight: DaNinja imagine how euler felt when AutomatonNN was summoning his in like every 3rd of his message
itzluku: i am 8th with 84% batlles
MadKnight: s
MadKnight: him*
itzluku: is that an overall ranking?
itzluku: or subdiv
itzluku: my bot cant be that good xd
KiwiTae: itzluku your in wood2
Hjax: its my division
KiwiTae: best bots are in bronze
Hjax: by*
AntiSquid: Guillaume44 wrong hex game play the contest, stop submitting there @_@
leona: hi all, the gameplay is not loading for me in the spring challenge (neither in the editor, nor in the leaderboard), did anyone have the same problem? :(
MadKnight: Automaton2000 i didn't make up the number 2816
Automaton2000: then you have to do to get the link to the puzzle
itzluku: i only advance if i beat all i nmy div?
KiwiTae: if u beat the boss
Zenoscave: higher than boss in score == advanced
Hjax: itzluku you have end up higher ranked than the boss
Smelty: CONTEST
Zenoscave: but your battles in progress must be 100%
itzluku: 96% :O
Hjax: i love the early dominance of python3 on the leaderboard
Hjax: easiest way to get bronze for the full spec
MadKnight: Automaton2000, 2816 is actually like 256*11
Automaton2000: i still haven't figured out how to code in it
itzluku: i havent found a good way of debuging xd
Wontonimo: just logged on and checked out the contest
itzluku: u can do one print("WAIT"+adddebugstringhere) and thats it
Wontonimo: random bot places about 1/2 way in wood 2.
Notaboredguy: I love this website
MadKnight: me too
MadKnight: but what's your point
Wontonimo: just published bot 2 which harvests tree in best soil which beats the wood 2 boss. Not much more to it than that.
Wontonimo: gotta wait for promotion to see what wood 1 has
emh: I'm eating thin round potato cakes with caviar and also trying out with mango papaya salsa
MadKnight: Automaton2000 let's try to recreate a boss' logic
Automaton2000: i can write it as a puzzle
Lachrymosa: may I recommend thing corn-based triangles for the salsa instead?
Lachrymosa: thin*
emh: ahh yes might be better
KiwiTae: I am still at work getting distracted by general chat
shabugcx: 嗨你们怎么升级的？
KiwiTae: shabugcx #cn
MadKnight: Automaton2000 imagine not testing 2816 games in parallel
shabugcx: 怎么了
Automaton2000: so i get the sense that you don't have to pay for that
MadKnight: shabugcx #cn pls
emh: MadKnight do you have a 3090?
MadKnight: emh nono those ones got much more than that
shabugcx: MadKnight 你可以指出问题
emh: ohh ok
emh: thought so
MadKnight: mine is from 2013 emh
emh: I've got the 2080 Ti
Hildan: can my own shadows affect my own trees?
shabugcx: 哇我
MadKnight: then u surely got more threads than that
MadKnight: emh just start using it
emh: hehe
emh: I used it for t-sne mapping of opengameart
shabugcx: 那款游戏比较好玩又烧大脑
emh: was like 500k images
MadKnight: shabugcx #cn or /kick
AntiSquid: 你好。 单击#cn并在其中输入中文。 谢谢你。 shabugcx
AntiSquid: #cn
KiwiTae: shabugcx 游戏Boss, 去 #cn 聊天，這裡只有英文
MadKnight: choose your fighter
AntiSquid: are you actually mod Madao ?
MadKnight: it's actually a fun story
MadKnight: well u see
MadKnight: *madao left the chat*
shabugcx: :joy:
shabugcx: I don't understand when this level is done。How to proceed to the next level
MadKnight: submit your code
MadKnight: and get ranking above the bossd
MadKnight: ezpz
Hjax: shabugcx you need to be higher than the boss, and at 100% games in progress
MSmits: this video is really good
MSmits: Tutorial video by Gaurav Sen: https://youtu.be/gZMdOiqchDk
bjy: any way to speed up progress (besides apparently beating up the same opponents over and over)...?
jacek: oO
struct: maybe it wasnt a wise idea to submit this bot
MadKnight: unsubmit it
Hjax: why struct? scared of it losing?
MSmits: he's a tester
MadKnight: scared of everyone using it to improve their bots hh
MadKnight: Hjax
Hjax: this game looks bitboardable, although ive never done a hex bitboard
shabugcx: Hjax I did reach my goal but I just couldn't find the next page
AntiSquid: doesn't take much for top 10 or even 1st atm, so won't change anything
struct: hjax Iknow I will lose, my bot is not good
struct: Hjax It is
jacek: hijacks
King_Coda: YEAH
King_Coda: AND SO IT BEGINS
Scarfield: hiDerjacks
Tiramon: yay
You now have the ability to plant new trees by generating a SEED!
why_anonymous: Hello
King_Coda: Welcome to the spring thingy whatever 2021!!!
DumbassDan: :wave:
King_Coda: Wow, there's a lot of new people in chat today
King_Coda: Welcome non-regulars
bjy: gah 504
casmith789: hello
Thienu: hi non regular here
JANOWICZ: hello
PCHA: hihi
King_Coda: Hello Hello!
JANOWICZ: greetings
King_Coda: nice pfp PCHA
casmith789: I did the last contest and then have been off the site for 6 months or whatever
King_Coda: Yeah, that's what most people do i think casmith789
King_Coda: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
King_Coda: Let's get this party started!!!!!
casmith789: =)
why_anonymous: :laughing:
Thienu: nice
King_Coda: CONTEST TIME
King_Coda: Damn struct, you're number one on the contest???
King_Coda: Congrats!
bjy: hrm, my bot's winning streak has turned into a lots-of-ties streak at only 47%... welp, to lunch!
struct: I tested the contest
eulerscheZahl: he's a strong contestant
why_anonymous: 504 always
eulerscheZahl: psst struct
struct: ups
struct: yeah, im just that good
DumbassDan: :joy:
eulerscheZahl: he's number 1 out of 1000 (or how many there currently are)
struct: with 100% winrate
King_Coda: 11,000 roughy
eulerscheZahl: laggy chat typing lags
eulerscheZahl: i can see the letters appear seconds after i stopped writing
struct: very lagy euler
King_Coda: *roughly
eulerscheZahl: 11k regiustered
eulerscheZahl: not actually playing
AntiSquid: cegprakash 🇮🇳
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Today at 16:41
I'll be streaming spring challenge in C++ after about an hour. The goal would be to reach Bronze without reading the problem statement :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:
Astrobytes: amazing, 60th in bronze with a couple of lines of code before I went to vote and go to the shops
Astrobytes: I like those kind of wood leagues
AntiSquid: /?disableChat
if you need quiet
struct: do you guys like the game?
XeroOl: Good morning
XeroOl: I'm not sure what to think of the game yet
Astrobytes: No idea, I just sorted moves
AntiSquid: idk yet struct . depends on the indexing
eulerscheZahl: you have an election going on Astrobytes?
Snoepie: Any advice for newbies?
Tiramon: havn't fully read bronze rules struct so hard to say ... just lifted my day limit ;)
Scarfield: i just output random move, timeout quite often and still got bronze xD
XeroOl: I'm regretting my choice for lua
Astrobytes: Yes euler, local elections
King_Coda: I have no idea how to code
why_anonymous: me too
King_Coda: but im doing the challenge anywya
King_Coda: s
synchoz: King_Coda i belive in you
XeroOl: I'm getting "network status 504" or something
synchoz: me 2
King_Coda: lol thanks synchoz
XeroOl: huh, not anymore
struct: I thought on porting this game before tbh
struct: I even talked with acat about it
jacek: i wonder what would happen if you ported it 1 month ago
AntiSquid: would have been fun
King_Coda: I'm in Wood 2 league apparently
XeroOl: I'm still in wood 2 because I just woke up lol
Wontonimo: haha ... that would have been funny if you did that struct !
King_Coda: I will definitely do better in the fall challenge
Zenoscave: owned means currently on board?
King_Coda: by then i would have actually learned code
KalamariKing: King_Coda lol same
King_Coda: i'm still taking my classes now
KalamariKing: using a language I haven't touched in months...
King_Coda: KalamariKing!
synchoz: i got to wood 2 doing nothing but harvesting and now i have no idea what to do XD
XeroOl: I'm using lua right now
KalamariKing: King_Coda hello ;)
struct: https://i.imgur.com/cLdouPK.png
KalamariKing: XeroOl you're actually doing it aren't you
KalamariKing: you madman
Tiramon: ok so the shadows are the part that increase the complexity ... i see
King_Coda: I'm in 269th place
King_Coda: nice
King_Coda: AH NO
XeroOl: globally?
XeroOl: that's impressive
KalamariKing: is the game supposed to be a large grey square
King_Coda: "Network status 504"
KalamariKing: because that's all I got, ide and replay
KalamariKing: I've been spammed with those King_Coda just keep working ig?
eulerscheZahl: the cat followed my advice :D
https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/6666b34849b94f9c3c3427c9f7103e0c7acf
KalamariKing: What do you see in the ide game window
DomiKo: yap yap
eulerscheZahl: final rules there
Tiramon: CG fix those network errors and scale up the servers ...
Astrobytes: :D
Zenoscave: fix it ezpz
jacek: wait for deploy friday
KalamariKing: Someone, please, I need an answer
Is the game window supposed to be solid grey
struct: I took others chance to get 1st :/
dreadylein: if (doesntwokr) Work()
struct: at least in the first hour or so
jacek: KalamariKing thats fog of war
Astrobytes: lmao
eulerscheZahl: don't worry struct, i'll get there
Zenoscave: Me too ;)
KalamariKing: jacek so it IS supposed to be grey
struct: I also have referee for brutaltester
Zenoscave: My current bot waiting for submit is pretty "decent"
XeroOl: lets goo I want to be not in wood league
struct: Should I publish it?
Zenoscave: So do I struct
ZarthaxX: undefeated struct nice
Zenoscave: does this default not work?
struct: I have no idea
struct: Maybe I wont publish mine, since it has the bitboards
struct: I had no access to referee so I made my own
Zenoscave: the answer is no.
King_Coda: Ugh, why does doing the battles take so longgggg
Zenoscave: It doesn't work with default. I'll modify default to work and fork. keep your bitboards for now, struct
Tiburso: i'm getting synchronization issues
Tiburso: i dont know why
Tiburso: im coding in c++
XeroOl: only 4 people on the lua leaderboards
XeroOl: :)
XeroOl: that means I have a chance
Tiburso: did someone have this problem?
King_Coda: I'm only 64% done
XeroOl: what do you mean by synchronization issues
struct: My bot feels like a NN atm
struct: :p
Tiburso: its giving me a warning
casmith789: me too tiburso
RockyMullet: get me out of wood 2 already lol
casmith789: I'm wondering if it is because we don't have all the rules yet
Tiburso: and my outputs are not the same as the inputs
Astrobytes: oh hey RockyMullet
RockyMullet: it's like a if and every game is a draw haha
XeroOl: oh yeah you need to read all the inputs
RockyMullet: Hello Astrobytes :wave:
Tiburso: but i am reading all the inpurs
jacek: purrrrr
struct: you need to read all the inputs and only output one time per turn
XeroOl: I'm scared as to what the hex grid will mean
Tiburso: :(
Zenoscave: hey Rocky! The draw count is high here
Tiburso: oh ok
RockyMullet: Hello pew pew master !
struct: What are draws?
ZarthaxX: CARNEEEEEE
SabertheLost: poor boss
Zenoscave: pewpew
XeroOl: draw is when both players get 1st
RockyMullet: CARNEEE !!
ZarthaxX: HOWDYY
RockyMullet: holaaa
XeroOl: @struct draw is when there isn't a winner and both palyers have the same score
Hjax: ok the mullet has arrived
Hjax: we can start the contest now
KalamariKing: thats what 'draw' means zero
KalamariKing: xero*
Hjax: (hey RockyMullet :P )
Istian: Is there anything else worth doing in wood 2 other than completing the first tree on the array if it's mine?
struct: I know sorry, it was a joke since my bot hasnt lost or drew yet
RockyMullet: been a while since I loged in :sweat_smile:
RockyMullet: hey Hjax :wave:
XeroOl: how do you not have a draw in wood 2 lol
XeroOl: it's miserable down here
struct: Who will be the first to defeat me?
NinjaDoggy: lol struct
emh: I lavv meowy bannih. she is my friend. meowy bannih
XeroOl: struct wait for me I'm getting there
Zenoscave: Short of simming the game I think I have most the mechanics down. Sim time.
RockyMullet: right I need to write something about mullets in my output
RockyMullet: what am I doing
bjy: kind of offputting... waiting to advance, unclear future rules so no point in tinkering...?
struct: ok it finally finished :D
RockyMullet: yeah, there's not much dept in wood 2 hehe
SabertheLost: I neeed promotion!!!
XeroOl: @bjy I'm in the same position
bjy: unless stepping through ref code... nah :P
XeroOl: Although I'm going to assume that the number of days will go above 1
llllllllll: @bjy the competition started like what, 2 hours ago?
AntiSquid: where is struct gone ?
llllllllll: we have 11 more days to tinker, no reason to rush
AntiSquid: nvm looking at wrong game
jacek: yinsh?
SabertheLost: It does not punish me for trying to complete :)
bjy: no rush, just the time I carved out for this is gonna be limited...
XeroOl: yeah, I only have so much time today, so it's not fun to spend half of it waiting
Zenoscave: llllllllll you a StarCraft fan?
emh: roach rush, toss cannon rush, ling rush, marine rush
llllllllll: @Zenoscave nah, why?
KalamariKing: Is this challenge fog of war
Zenoscave: your name
RockyMullet: KalamariKing doesnt appear to be so far
King_Coda: 96% done!
Hjax: i think ive asked him that before too @Zenoscave
bjy: 78%...
KalamariKing: rocky
XeroOl: no fair, I'm only at 64
KalamariKing: lmao wrong key
Zenoscave: lol Nice thinking Hjax
RockyMullet: hum I doubt I'll reach bronze during my lunch break :disappointed:
KalamariKing: RockyMullet my game screen is literally just solid grey
karliso: No randomness and no fog of war?
PatrickMcGinnisII: wow bronze is pretty locked up
Hjax: correct karliso
KalamariKing: I get the feeling I should see something
KiwiTae: KalamariKing you dont need visual anyway
XeroOl: yeah that's not good
XeroOl: the visuals are very useful though
RockyMullet: KalamariKing hum maybe your browser is not happy
KalamariKing: KiwiTae right but I wanna, they're pretty useful for someone visual like m
KalamariKing: me*
validity-check: hello
KiwiTae: KalamariKing make your own representation in js or smth
Smelty: hmm
King_Coda: im 266 outta 280 :(
daffie: what are the yellow arrows that move around the board
ChrisJM: Wood 2, I've got the bot just picking the last action each turn and it's collecting the trees. Is there any more depth than that? Not progressing up the leaderboard very fast.
bjy: 1 out of whatever...
bjy: I'm sure this won't last...
bjy: but still... let me advance to the point where I get stomped plz :P
MrFruit: zeeee
MrFruit: All games have been ties for me
MrFruit: After 121
King_Coda: eh, i'll do better when fall rolls around and i actually know how to code
Hjax: daffie thats the direction the sun is coming from
Hjax: theres shadows in bronze that affect sunlight income
daffie: alrighty
_overflow_: =]
emh: in the land of mordor where the shadows lie
itzluku: whats the way to make error/print debug outputs in python
KalamariKing: print( *msg, file=sys.stderr, flush=True)
itzluku: within the spring challenge
RockyMullet: pleaze CG sir, can I come in wood 1 ?
itzluku: not breaking the game
MrFruit: The thing he posted
MrFruit: works I think
emh: if u want red output, put blush=True
bjy: yup
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm starting to believe that this challenge is gonna be dominated by NN strategies
AntiSquid: hello RockyMullet
RockyMullet: hey AntiSquid !!
RockyMullet: I came out of my cave
Soutto: what is nn strategies ?
AntiSquid: i thought the C in CG stands for cave
KalamariKing: nn means neural network
adamek123123123: can someone help me
Soutto: oh, thanks
Westicles: not necessarily
struct: can confirm, my bot is a NN
toolmonster: wassup
Tiramon: wow there is a lot of shadow when the board fills up ;)
itzluku: lul ok thanks
ChrisJM: Can the bots persistently store data for NN?
ChrisJM: between games
bjy: any hints on future board sizes/scale? :P
Tiramon: you have to train offline
KalamariKing: struct if you don't mind me asking how did you train it? or is it reinforcement learning?
RockyMullet: ChrisJM no but you can do it offline and then hardcode the result in your submit
MrFruit: How do you import the training??
KalamariKing: oh lol tiramon answered nvm
struct: KalamariKing its not a NN, i was joking
KalamariKing: oh lol
KiwiTae: KalamariKing or was he
MrFruit: so just a lot conditionals will do the trick?
Tiramon: 146:110 against struct ... thats not that far apart as i feared ;)
KalamariKing: now we're getting places
emh: we are the knights who say NN
struct: o.o
RockyMullet: finally promoted !
XeroOl: I don't yet see how this is a neural network problem
Marchete: I sense a powerful mullet around here...
bjy: 89%....
XeroOl: but that's probably because I'm stuck in wood 2
RockyMullet: hey Marchete !!
MrFruit: so many ducking ties
Marchete: o/
MrFruit: I cannot pass 90
struct: you are 146:110 against me Tiramon?
MadKnight: he's not powerful he's sturdy, Marchete
Tiramon: oh damn i havn't implement richness 0 yet
Admirallll: guys its so bad i should wait 1 hour for wood 2 promotion
Queuebee: struct may I ask what the 4 numbers are you are outputting in debug? :o
Marchete: silky yet powerful
Tiramon: you won but i'm not that far behind you in score ;)
Westicles: Is 37 too small? Seems like a big tie coming
MrFruit: What rank are you guys at?
MadKnight: imagine thinking the mullet is rockyt
RockyMullet: shinning in the sun of the contest
Marchete: it's always the same start?
bjy: 1... wood 1 I think?
struct: Queuebee is just the ammount of tree heights
Queuebee: oohh
ZarthaxX: Marchete this? Players start the game with two size 1 trees placed randomly along the edge of the grid.
TobiasA: yooooo i am in level 10 now
struct: game is always symetrical
TobiasA: so this is what contests do to you huh
Zenoscave: gz TobiasA
Tiramon: damn i hate those players with a boss like picture ...
TobiasA: the devs were kind enough to make th bot dumber than me
KalamariKing: lol
XeroOl: lmao boss-like picture is kind of cruel
Nerchio: so the shadow doesn't change if you grow or sell trees except if day ends?
XeroOl: since I'm using lua, I can use my free time to write an actually useful standard library
ZarthaxX: yup Nerchio
struct: yes Nerchio
Tiramon: right nerchio
Nerchio: is it written somewhere and i missed it
TobiasA: that was weird
Tiramon: 11 games 11 won .. .good start of submit
Zenoscave: I should read the rules now... I'm beginning to think I've trapped my bot
emh: do you think I will go to Silver without planting a Seed? I'm 174/460
oddrationale: If players have the same score and same # of tress, is it a tie?
struct: no emh
Queuebee: are you given the sun direction in bronze? Or is there a way to calculate it?
bjy: yes, so many ties...
XeroOl: oddrationale yes
struct: My bot will be the bronze boss
XeroOl: promotion to wood 1 !!
emh: hehe
oddrationale: Thanks!
bjy: 96%...
DumbassDan: It's fun when simple tricks give a really nice boost, but it can be hard to understand why sometimes :)
MrFruit: Has anyone gotten to silver?
PatrickMcGinnisII: welcome to the acorn battle
Zenoscave: are bosses predetirmined struct?
struct: MrFruit silver is not open yet
struct: Zenoscave Dont think so, I didnt made any boss
Hjax: silver opens on monday i believe
Hjax: gold on wednesday, legend on friday
MrFruit: I see thanks
PatrickMcGinnisII: struct thanks for not using M_PI
MACKEYTH: Leagues Silver and above open on the 10th
MrFruit: o
Tiramon: 14/14 won ... still looks good ... but damn slow ...
MrFruit: isn't that too long
XeroOl: oh no wood 1 makes this complicated already
MACKEYTH: Ignore that, Hjax is right
casmith789: how do you take more than one action per turn? output more than one line?
casmith789: or one line
Queuebee: you can't
Tiramon: no just don't use wait
Marchete: struct the game is perfectly symmetric?
struct: yes
bjy: finally... also bit lvl 8 heh... but only ~15mins left until much later
casmith789: oh, you just do one action then don't wait?
Marchete: I mean, sun related?
VaseSimion: You can write more commands in the same line, using space between them
struct: Doesnt matter Marchete
RockyMullet: ok all wins and 1 tie, might be able to get bronze beofre my lunch break :D
Marchete: how it doesn't matter?
PatrickMcGinnisII: i guess bronze is final rules?
struct: ah wait
struct: maybe it does
Zenoscave: ;)
Marchete: time related growth
inoryy: that settles it, literally unplayable
struct: yeah it matters
Marchete: ofc
Mourfette: the fact that the first code is so simple everybody has it makes it very slow to get to wood 1... Every match is 1st place for both players :D
XeroOl: if you can do multiple things in one turn, that's really good
PatrickMcGinnisII: I need to fertilize the forest, does a squirel poop in the woods?
Marchete: it's played with alternate positions?
emh: struct: listen to Star 69 by Fatboy Slim: "They know what is what. But they don't know what is what. The just struct, wtf?"
MACKEYTH: New rules for Silver: There are now 5 forests and 3 suns. Trees can be equipped with pruning hooks
RockyMullet: inoryy whats unplayable ? (also hi)
Hjax: new rules in silver, trees move randomly
inoryy: RockyMullet the game because of the sun on first turn (also hi :) )
Tiramon: 18/18 and rank 14 ... i'm coming for you struct ... :smiling_imp:
Marchete: I think board is symmetric but not the whole game
RockyMullet: yeah seems like a player as a big advantage
struct: you are right Marchete
RockyMullet: but I didnt see bronze rules yet
Marchete: a player can* have advantage
AntiSquid: don't think so
AntiSquid: chat scroll
inoryy: RockyMullet (I'm joking)
Marchete: paste here AntiSquid
Marchete: I can't see it
RockyMullet: oh ok, I didnt see the bronze rules yet hehe, I assumed those little yellow lines were the sun or something
AntiSquid: was responding to a different message Marchete @_@
Marchete: ahh :D
inoryy: RockyMullet they are
RockyMullet: kk
Marchete: sun->P1---P2
inoryy: I mean, there's definitely some advantage to p1, I'm just joking about it being unplayable
RockyMullet: I'm stuck at 27% in wood 1 :slight_frown:
Marchete: probably by the time P2 have <-sun
Hjax: they are, your trees cast shadows, you dont get sun income from trees in shadows that come from trees at least as large as they are
RockyMullet: will take a while
bjy: bronze is eenteresting
Marchete: he has higher trees to shadow more
Hjax: so a size 3 tree, casts a length 3 shadow, and no one gets income from trees in that shadow
Marchete: i think it depends, but maybe it's P2
RockyMullet: oh interesting
bjy: bah, not gonna do anything in the 10 mins I have left though... gl hf all
Marchete: well, let's see on legend
Nerchio: so can you complete a tree and plant on the same hex before round ends?
MACKEYTH: If both players try to plant a seed on the same cell, how is it resolved?
Nerchio: anybody knows
struct: yes Nerchio
Marchete: top players will complain if they see the slight unfair advantage
Nerchio: how do you know everything struct :D
struct: i was a tester
RoboStac: MACKEYTH - plant gets cancelled, sun is refunded but source trees go dormant
PatrickMcGinnisII: tossing a seed farther can have an advantage
PatrickMcGinnisII: huh
Nerchio: kinda weird that shadow doesnt change like it doesnt disappear when u 'sell' a tree
Tiramon: so you can complete a dorment tree?
Nerchio: but you can plant on the same hex
struct: no Tiramon
struct: You can complete a tree and seed that cell
RoboStac: shadows only matter on day transition Nerchio
Tiramon: oh k sure
Marchete: I'm not sure about how bitboarding
struct: I dont think I can give tips on the bitboard
Marchete: why
Nerchio: RoboStac yeah already was told but feels weird
AntiSquid: you have a bitboard for this struct?
Marchete: I thought about layered ones
Marchete: Nxlayers of 37 bits
TobiasA: what does the "send parameter to ide" button do?
Rag: whenever I output something different than wait I get an error saying I am not reading all the input
Marchete: but it goes high pretty fast
Hjax: TobiasA it copies the seed and players, it lets you replicate the same game in the ide viewer for testing
struct: yes AntiSquid
ddreams: rag, don't break before all the input is read
TobiasA: like on the main codingame site window?
Hjax: it will open up the ide with the same parameters yes
struct: nice Tiramon
RockyMullet: let me iiiiiiiiin
Developer.py: Hello, this is my first spring challenge, I do not understand why only one of my tree gets 'COMPLETE' even though its in the game loop.
TobiasA: is that what you guys do?
TobiasA: should i be doing that?
davilla: oh ok there are TEN live events right now that should be doable
dbdr: struct, how does a cell become unusable?
sirsatan: wood 2 can be called ONE BIG DRAW
jrke: oh struct congrats you ae first
dbdr: oh, it's part of the map
dbdr: never mind :)
jrke: are*
RockyMullet: sirsatan wood 1 kind of feel like that too
struct: dbdr do you mean dormant?
Thienu: waiting for wood 2 battles to finish be like
Quidome: So, the nutrient value is only decreased by one when completing a tree?
Tiramon: 38/39 rank 4 .. still looks good
struct: dbdr unusable are given at the start, they dont change
Marchete: richness==0 is unusable for everything?
Marchete: man, too many values everywhere
dbdr: no, richness 0. right. thanks!
struct: yes marchete
MACKEYTH: sirsatan - Eh, nothing for it. Since players can affect each other in wood 2 and 1 they're both deterministic
MACKEYTH: *can't
Marchete: the game is cute. I hate hex and bitboards, but it's cute
TobiasA: oh i have figured it out thnx Hjax
Developer.py: Can someone explain to me why only one of my tree gets completed even though the code is inside the game loop?
struct: you can only complete a tree per turn
MACKEYTH: @Developer.py: start debugging, man.
MACKEYTH: Is your COMPLETE command being output?
MACKEYTH: Are you getting a message from the game about it?
MACKEYTH: Do you have enough sun?
Marchete: step 1 - having a complete game simulator, estimated time- 4 weeks :D
TobiasA: wait how do i "unsend parameters"?
ZarthaxX: :rofl:
Whiskee: also have you removed the tree from the grid lol
XeroOl: how is this game so complicated lol
Whiskee: or are you trying to complete the same one
Developer.py: oh okay, @struct
Developer.py: I am checking if the tree's index is grater than 6
Lachrymosa: I have unleashed my bronze bot >:3
shashwat986: When does the promotion happen? I'm ranked 69 (nice) in Wood 2, but I haven't lost a single game. Boss is rank 87
Hjax: you have to be at 100%
casmith789: when you get to 100% of your games
struct: your submit needs to reach 100%
Zenoscave: once all games are played for submit
shashwat986: ah, thanks
shashwat986: Any way I can get a headstart on wood 1's rules?
struct: chat is so laggy for mods :/
Marchete: bronze rules are in https://www.codingame.com/contribute/view/6666b34849b94f9c3c3427c9f7103e0c7acf
Lachrymosa: I'm only at 13% bronze submission but haven't seen a loss yet
Marchete: it's a clone with bronze ruleset
Lachrymosa: thats promising :3
Marchete: or wood1
Marchete: can't recall :D
Tiramon: i currently lost 5 of 53
Tiramon: sadly i still loose against struct ;)
Lachrymosa: I haven't seen myself vs struct yet
Lachrymosa: fingers cross :D
VaseSimion: iAre your battles slow also?
Tiramon: oooh ... yeees...
Lachrymosa: crawling along at about 1% per 2 minutes 17% now
actualCoderTrevor: Woohoo Wood 1 Babieeeee!
Denshire: yeah im not used to contests so is it normal for them to be so slow or
Tiramon: server has a lot of load right now
Tiramon: will get better the next days ... atleast normally it does
Denshire: yeah that makes sense
Zenoscave: apppackerino who are you
Tiramon: but still CG could scale up the servers a bit ...
llllllllll: thats a lot of $$$$$
Secret_sister2: ;-;
MACKEYTH: Back in my day we didn't have your fancy server cycles.
Secret_sister2: lol
MACKEYTH: We got our punchcard allowance and we liked it
Secret_sister2: lol
Tiramon: ok punchcard is before my time ;)
MACKEYTH: Mine too, TBH.
orangesnowfox: yeah, I'm like 19 lol
MACKEYTH: My dad has stories, though.
Secret_sister2: lol
Zenoscave: Secret_sister2 can you say anything of substance?
Secret_sister2: no?
ZarthaxX: struct someone beated you!
Zenoscave: then be quiet
Secret_sister2: what
Zenoscave: westicles another smurf? How many do you have?
AntiSquid: next one ban @_@
ZarthaxX: :rofl:
VaseSimion: Are usualy streaming solving this? I cheecked the streaming button and it doesn't look too good
struct: ZarthaxX :(
Tiramon: you are so impatient AntiSquid ;)
jrke: is there only one condition for changing the day?
Astrobytes: That's a known trollish account Tiramon
AntiSquid: seen enough to make more accurate predictions Tiramon
Tiramon: oh ok
synchoz: is the starter kit like a must or i can do fine with out ?
MACKEYTH: The day advances once both players have WAITed
Tiramon: you can do fine wihtout synchoz it's just there to help
ddreams: no need to use a starter kit
synchoz: oh ok thank you
MACKEYTH: I didn't use it, but it might be helpful.
Tiramon: so you don't miss any of the input etc
AntiSquid: think i used starter once, it was more of a hindrance
Wontonimo: okay, i think Wood 1 is completed for me. my algo can be summarized greedily maximize "value_to_harvest - full_cost_to_grow_tree" with zero ply
ZarthaxX: struct you can fix it for sure :)
Lachrymosa: welp at least I beat bronze bot :3 Illedan beat me, but I'm somehow sorta sitting above him for now... we'll see when it stabilizes
rmuskovets: starter kit? the code already in the editor or smth else?
Hjax: theres a link to some starter kits in the spec
ddreams: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2021/tree/main/starterAIs
Hjax: they do a bit more input parsing than the default code
jrke: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2021/tree/main/starterAIs
Developer.py: Why does my code only complete a tree once even though its in the while loop?
rmuskovets: ty
Tiramon: ok ... guess it's not enough for struct yet, but atleast it looks like top 4 to top 2
TobiasA: what is input parsing?
Hjax: TobiasA turning the strings that the game gives you into something useful
TobiasA: oh thanks an why do i see two of myself in the place to select agent?
Hjax: because you are fighting yourself
Hjax: you can run yourcode against itself
Denshire: pretty sure you can pit your current code against the last code you submitted or smth
TobiasA: oh
TobiasA: makes sesnse
TobiasA: haha sense
Tiramon: last arena code and current ide code are available
Secret_sister2: I need help with this loop puzzle, But I don't really know.
AntiSquid: you need help with more than that
jrke: does the seed we plant also becomes dormant for that day?
Hjax: yes jrke
Hjax: Performing this action impacts both the source tree and the planted seed. Meaning both trees will be dormant until the next day.
Tiramon: Performing this action impacts both the source tree and the planted seed. Meaning both trees will be dormant until the next day.
Tiramon: quote end ...
lifetimeLearner007: what if seed is influenced by more than 1 tree?
Non0: Any way to make the battles go faster ? Thanks
Hjax: Non0 wait a few hours for the servers to calm down
Hjax: its going to be slow for a while
jrke: richness level also looks constant isn't it/
jrke: ?
Tiramon: in the ranking no
Tiramon: in the replay .. there is agear below the player where you can increase the speed
lifetimeLearner007: richness is constant. I read that somewhere
Tiramon: ok next step ... find out how many days in a cycle a tree is in the spooky shadow
AntiSquid: the indexing of the hex cells is indeed irritating @_@ struct
davilla: not even defined anywhere
davilla: have to figure it out by playing
Wontonimo: well, AntiSquid they didn't have FOW so they had to add something irritating
Wontonimo: davilla - it is shown in the debug screen
tinyhhj: how to go up wood 1 league
Wontonimo: tinyhhj - my algo can be summarized as value_to_harvest - full_cost_to_grow_tree
davilla: oh thanks! forgot about that
Tiramon: be ranked higher than the boss
tinyhhj: i already submit my first version
SabertheLost: Why do the game start on day zero?
AntiSquid: 0 index most common for languages
Wontonimo: SabertheLost because we are programmers, and we index with 0
SabertheLost: Yes, but not for most dates
AntiSquid: i am happy with 0 index @_@
davilla: submit your complaint to the arbitration committee
Zenoscave: arbitrarily
Zenoscave: ;)
AntiSquid: SabertheLost just ping struct then
Uljahn: zeroday bug
AntiSquid: new algo name: 0 day exploit
tinyhhj: is it going to match automatically once i submit my code?
Zenoscave: what's the exploit Uljahn
AntiSquid: you have 1000ms first turn too :o
Tiramon: 52% and 3.51 score behind you struct ... damn you =)
struct: I lost 1 battle :(
jrke: 220th battle breached struct 100%
struct: That I should never lose
Lachrymosa: The people beating me appear to be completing trees earlier in the game-cycle than me
AntiSquid: struct depth ?
AntiSquid: sim count ?
Codeur_du_Sexe: hey
davilla: to save the forest you have to chop it down
AntiSquid: (ply)
Codeur_du_Sexe: hello guys
Denshire: "The forest starts with a nutrient value of 20" so is nutrient shared between players and decreased when either player completes a tree or is it different for the two players?
struct: its hardcoded depth 20 it can go further
Lachrymosa: it is a communal resource
schachmatt: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/may/04/out-of-control-chinese-rocket-tumbling-to-earth
KalamariKing: schachmatt heard about that, spooky
Lachrymosa: completing a tree first will yield 20+richness modifier. The next completed tree will yield 19+richness etc.
schachmatt: Odds of getting to silver before the world ends?
MACKEYTH: Yay, Bronze!
davilla: 1 to infinity plus 1
Lachrymosa: Is silver even open? I thought it opened tomorrow?
inoryy: it opens Monday
Westicles: Ooh, I forgot how exciting it was when Skylab came down
jrke: 5/10/21
KalamariKing: what cookies can I clear without breaking anything
Lachrymosa: Oh, well then my Bronze bot is gonna chill for quite a bit then
Zenoscave: gz struct. you were my first loss of the submit :/
ZarthaxX: Zenoscave smash him!
Zenoscave: Not anytime soon...
AntiSquid: Zenoscave he's at nearly 100% wins
Zenoscave: I know I was just hoping for a 30/30
Zenoscave: 29/30 will do...
Tiramon: no he lost one AntiSquid
Zenoscave: *nearly*
Tiramon: so its only 99.9 or so
Lachrymosa: nearly*
SabertheLost: when is next promotion?
AntiSquid: my sim predicted your ping Tiramon
jrke: Tiramon which is nearly 100% thats what squiddy said
Zenoscave: WITCH HUNT
KalamariKing: Should I continue in java or should I switch to python
KalamariKing: I know python much better
Lachrymosa: Heh, I beat Zenoscave
KalamariKing: Y'all have done contests before, would python be too slow
Zenoscave: Just saw that Lachrymosa
Zenoscave: gg
Lachrymosa: You using sims?
Zenoscave: nope
Zenoscave: not yet
Lachrymosa: me neither, pure If-Then
ZarthaxX: masters of if spaghetti rising
ZarthaxX: :P
jrke: btw anyone except struct having rule based bot/
Lachrymosa: I'm afraid to do sims, haven't done one before
Zenoscave: probably safe to remove the bfs now
Tiramon: good point ... time to start build a sim
inoryy: Zenoscave noo don't give up on it
synchoz: whats this sim :o ?
jrke: i am looking for minimax
Tiramon: a simulation of the game engine so you can predict more precise what a result a specific action will give
Zenoscave: I had liek 3 people instantly message me to not remove BFS. I might keep it
ZarthaxX: :rofl:
synchoz: i see :D
Lachrymosa: Is anyone accounting for shade yet?
Tiramon: what was the link of the site again to look at winratio against players ?
jrke: i haven't accounted SEED yet
struct: I fixed the bug I think
ZarthaxX: Lachrymosa less than 4 hs into contest, calm down lol
NinjaDoggy: why does struct have a full sim bot <2 hours into the contest with bitboards? -_-
ZarthaxX: he tested the game
Istian: WOW, can't make my tree complete on wood 1...wtf?
struct: I dont think I need to resubmit though
NinjaDoggy: ohhh
jrke: he was tester
Zenoscave: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/spring-challenge-2021/Zenoscave
Zenoscave: that one Tiramon?
synchoz: try growing it to size of 3
Tiramon: yes exactly that one thks Zenoscave ... was to long ago
Zenoscave: yw
Lachrymosa: :O AntiSquid we're fighting to seed the center lol
Zenoscave: Here's a win for you while you're at it ;)
struct: i had problems with eval
struct: wasnt easy
Istian: I got it to size 3, I check the size before performing an action, then if 3, complete.... but it tries to grow it anyway
Tiramon: yeah my current bot is better than i expected =)
Lachrymosa: same, I wasn't expecting my simple logic to actually do this well. Figured people would out-pace it hard
CasualPotato: hey guys, my game canvas stays grey all the time and doesnßt show the game...anyone experienced the same?
synchoz: must be someting in ur code that makes it grow again
KalamariKing: CasualPotato same here
KalamariKing: Nobody else seems to care tho
Lachrymosa: Zeno's climbing!
jrke: Tiramon is your bot rule based sim or just if else?
KalamariKing: I'll update you with anything I can do to fix it
Tiramon: give a replay Istian else it's hard to tell ... but i guess you give the wrong command
CasualPotato: hmm ok thanks KalamariKing!
CasualPotato: I'll also try to find out
Tiramon: jrke my bit is simple some list sorting and 5 if else blocks for the command output
ddreams: You use the same browser, gray canvas guys?
KalamariKing: CHrome
CasualPotato: yeah chrome
KalamariKing: The canvas hasn't been grey before
Istian: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/4310b28d-3f0e-417a-8477-94e2c8ca9b8b
CasualPotato: Uhh I found out what it is! I think...
Istian: that's the code there
KalamariKing: Oh?
jrke: that gave you 2nd rank cool
ddreams: chrome://gpu/ works?
CasualPotato: Need to turn on hardware accelartion
KalamariKing: ddreams yeah
CasualPotato: KalamariKing try this https://www.lifewire.com/hardware-acceleration-in-chrome-4125122
Tiramon: damn playing against myself always results in both of my bots seedings the same space ...
MACKEYTH: Are points from leftover sun at the end of the game truncated?
Tiramon: hard to tell if current ide is better than arena that way ;)
Zenoscave: tiramon. reverse if player 2 ;)
KalamariKing: CasualPotato I can't find hardware accel in chrome://flags I think they removed it
Tiramon: if both try to seed the center thats hard ;)
Zenoscave: true :thinking:
Zenoscave: stop seeding the center then
Lachrymosa: AntiSquid and I were doing that lol, 3-4 trees in a row wasting seed attempts
Tiramon: and btw you don't know if you are p1 or p2 ... or did i miss something
KalamariKing: Clearing cookies does nothing
llllllllll: can I use multiple actions in a round?
struct: you dont know
Zenoscave: position of first trees perhaps?
struct: unless you do a system call
synchoz: could it be that ur tree.size is not being updated each loop ?
Queuebee: I saw someone pushed starter.cs to the starterAI's, will there be a .cpp? I want to learn C++ :D
Lachrymosa: It shouldn't matter which player you are, moves are simultaneous
ddreams: the starter ai's don't do anything but parse the input
KalamariKing: clearing cache does nothing eitehr
KalamariKing: either*
ddreams: but there are a couple of starter c++ sets in the PRs
Queuebee: PRs? .__.
ddreams: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2021/pulls
KalamariKing: I have a question since I can't see the game screen
ddreams: PR => Pull Request
Queuebee: ahh thankss
Nanosplitter: For anyone with the issue of a grey canvas and you already have hardware acceleration on, this is what worked for me:
ddreams: try Firefox, KK?
Nanosplitter: Disable hardware acceleration -> relaunch -> enable hardware acceleration -> relaunch
Nanosplitter: Now I can see the game
LLG: struct, any pointers on how to eval?
cegprakash: hi guys
ddreams: I recently needed to set the Override software rendering list in chrome://flags to make gpu acceleration work again
cegprakash: I'm streaming code escape anyone wanna join?
cegprakash: https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/oqI-iuh-rW3-T6e
Hjax: cegprakash theres a contest, you arent playing?
cegprakash: This is a test stream before the contest actual stream
Hjax: ah i see
cegprakash: I want to check if audio is working fine
KalamariKing: YES lets go
KalamariKing: If you're on a chromebook, open a new tab with `chrome://quit` and then sign back in
AntiSquid: cegprakash if no statment then no chat either ...
AntiSquid: asking chat to read statement for you is cheating
cguzman: GROW !
cegprakash: should I give permission for microphone for code escape
cegprakash: what is it for
KalamariKing: Theres a built in video call feature
jrke: to chat you partner
Astrobytes: cegprakash: To communicate with your team mates
AntiSquid: lol
AntiSquid: i am sure your stream will be exciting
cegprakash: can few ppl join code escape for testing https://escape.codingame.com/game-session/oqI-iuh-rW3-T6e/waiting-room
jrke: try tutorial its for solo but its just of 5 mins
Tiramon: you really want to do escape during contest?
jrke: he is testing his stream
jacek: he wants to escape
Astrobytes: What happened to your reach bronze without reading statement stream?
Lachrymosa: I mean, at this point you know people can see the stream and hear you so why not just start the contest?
synchoz: he wants few people to escape
Astrobytes: Reach bronze without reading statement is only gonna be as long as the submit anyway lol
orangesnowfox: ... wat, apparently without doing anything I get silver
struct: wtf
Astrobytes: the hell? Silver is open?
struct: im silver?
kovi: oops
_martynas: Silver?
jrke: silver bug?
Scarfield: xD
orangesnowfox: "oops"
Beresta: lol
orangesnowfox: bug probably
Beresta: whole bronze gets to silver now? :D
jrke: lemme report
actualCoderTrevor: damn I knew I shouldn't have done anything
Pduhard-: wtf xD
dbdr: classic
AntiSquid: lol imagine boss gets pushed into next league
Hjax: lol
schachmatt: boss-only platinum?
Lachrymosa: struct's bot isn't in Bronze anymore, MOVIN ON UP!
Astrobytes: reported
schachmatt: *legend
Hjax: cant say ive ever been silver on the first day of the contest before, new record :P
jrke: i can see silver badge
Thiesjoo: gg ez silver
jrke: in leaderboard
actualCoderTrevor: I'll be at the top of bronze in no time
Thiesjoo: struct not at first place (:
actualCoderTrevor: *near the top
Quidome: and 100xp :D
SinOfWrath: Aren't they usually opening silver like Mondays?
ZarthaxX: ye
jrke: some bug
Quidome: this happend before
ZarthaxX: they messed up
ZarthaxX: :D
Quidome: they will turn it back
orangesnowfox: aye, it's okay, they'll reverse it :p
Lachrymosa: 57% battles complete
itzluku: is there a way to start at wood2 again?
Gabbek: dafuq? promotion to silver? :O
Hoyer: silver league
Lachrymosa: make a new account
struct: poor servers :(
Gabbek: I'm pretty much last in bronze...
AntiSquid: was top 50 didn't get silver :(
SinOfWrath: A fellow software engineer is losing their job at a Thursday evening. How sad. :joy:
Extremophile: how do you submit your code
Tiramon: what rank 1 ... did you resubmit struct?
Lachrymosa: Are you 100% submitted AntiSquid?
JFB: Silver league ????
AntiSquid: oh
struct: Tiramon I was promoted to silver
ZarthaxX: Tiramon silver opened
ZarthaxX: :D
Tiramon: oh ok leaderboard loaded and you left top 5 so resubmit ...
Tiramon: oh ...
Hoyer: all I did so far: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/34e82e51-d188-4cd5-b5c7-76ace6ca81b3
Tiramon: isn't it a bit early for silver :thinking:
jrke: i am also promoted to silver lol
Zenoscave: it was an "oops"
Hjax: its only 4 days early
struct: but dont worry I resubmited yes
JFB: It is a bug I assume
Astrobytes: Clearly a bug. I reported already Tiramon.
jacek: yeah, they should have waited for deploy friday
struct: I added timer to avoid timeout and fixed a small thing
Extremophile: how do you submit your code
jrke: CG crashing a lot
SinOfWrath: I'm worried that by this speed the contest will be over by morning. :D
Lachrymosa: According to the league graphic ye
Silver is out too early, but.... "Code uhh, finds a way"
Thiesjoo: The bot in silver is also broken ):
jrke: so struct will be winner till morning lol
Thiesjoo: cannot test my code anymore
jrke: everybody just to be safe
DimSumSaying: maybe we can promote to gold in another hour
jrke: save your codes
Astrobytes: Have patience everyone
Scarfield: ^
XeroOl: how do I get into legend yet :)
jrke: i think it would be better to close CG for now
jrke: gn i am going
Tiramon: and so many 504 again ...
XeroOl: I need to get the local editor working
XeroOl: so I can work on this offline
AntiSquid: everyone hold hands and say a prayer, bugs will be fixed soon
XeroOl: is there a good way to run the game offline?
dreadylein: yay leauge speedrun ;D
JP7: Anyone else experiencing this? https://imgur.com/a/OAYApuq
schachmatt: Odds of reaching Silver before the world ends just increased dramatically :innocent:
JP7: Is very strange, because that asset has already been loaded as far as I can tell
Michael_Howard: lol I just leveled up from silver XP. My bot is just harvest or grow the first tree.
Bernard_Lowe: I can't get the codinggame GUI to display the grid visually. Can anyone please help?
Bernard_Lowe: I took off all my chrome extensions and reloaded.
Hjax: schachmatt maybe we are silver because the world is ending
struct: have you tried enabling hardware accelaration?
dreadylein: 2k people in the league after 4 hours, not bad
jrke: btw also promotion didn't occured rank wise
schachmatt: Hjax did CG do this to ramp up the pressure? :open_mouth:
jrke: or maybe there code was computing
Bernard_Lowe: Yes, I have hardware acceleration on. Still no in-game GUI to show the map.
Bernard_Lowe: I was able to display the map in the last Fall competition no problem.
JP7: Console logs?
Astrobytes: CG STAFF ARE AWARE OF THE ISSUE AND ARE LOOKING INTO IT :eyes:
JP7: anything obviously broken?
JP7: (Bernard)
Astrobytes: (sorry for caps, just to be heard)
JP7: I am forever deaf now, ty much
JP7: :P
jrke: will they demote us to bronze?
jrke: probably yes
ZarthaxX: prob
jrke: gn
Zenoscave: they already are working on it
schachmatt: could they wait like 10 minutes I'm 6% away from silver
struct: just promote me to gold
Astrobytes: Like when we all went to Gold that time
Tiramon: hope not ... also i'm not sure if i'm in silver yet ...
BlaiseEbuth: They're looking the issues Astrobytes, but do they try to solve them ?
Zenoscave: have faith, guys...
Tiramon: atleast i got no notification =)
Astrobytes: BlaiseEbuth: I speak only that of which I know
BlaiseEbuth: :3
BlaiseEbuth: One day, CG will manage to make a contest without bugs... Perhaps by passing to an unique contest by year? The current six months seems not to be enough to prepare. :(
Astrobytes: Are there 13,339 in the leaderboard?
struct: ok, im back to my rank
Tiramon: and it's definitly not the first contest they've done ... so i hope it was just something new and not being unprepared
fvla: I'd rather have slightly buggy contests twice than perfect contests once a year
fvla: It's not like it's literally unplayably broken or something, just technical hiccups
Lachrymosa: ^
struct: oh
Tiramon: sad ... was a nice 1st place in bronze ;)
struct: no
struct: there is a silver boss?
GrekMaR: Love myself some 504s
Tiramon: stil 1st in bronze ;)
BlaiseEbuth: I'll prefer have two perfect contests
struct: https://i.imgur.com/RKPN5R2.png
SwagColoredKitteh: hi you all
SwagColoredKitteh: i exist
struct: hi swag
AntiSquid: wow
inoryy: hey SwagColoredKitteh
SwagColoredKitteh: hoi struct
AntiSquid: hello SwissToto
Lachrymosa: SwagColoredKitteh thats a name I haven't seen in a while
SwagColoredKitteh: hey inoryy long time no see
eulerscheZahl: silver?
AntiSquid: SwagColoredKitteh *
Michael_Howard: How do u get -1 points?
Astrobytes: kitteh qteh
SwagColoredKitteh: hoi Lachrymosa
fvla: Here I am still waiting to be promoted out of Wood 2 lol
SwagColoredKitteh: no u qt uwu
eulerscheZahl: and a full resubmit too :D
Tiramon: wow 328 to silverby accicent ... ouch
fvla: Started a bit late
Tiramon: *accident
Lachrymosa: Michael_Howard you err
Nerchio: so do they just leave silver on now
SwagColoredKitteh: i just submitted for the first time and my bot just completes the first tree it sees in the list of trees :D
Tiramon: no idea Nerchio
eulerscheZahl: is SaisyApo messing around?
inoryy: SwagColoredKitteh yeah no kidding! how's it going? :)
Tiramon: all with stable rank havegone to silver i guess
SwagColoredKitteh: well, surviving i guess, the pandemic made things quite hard for me :'D
struct: yeah
SwagColoredKitteh: how are you?
Lachrymosa: 68% submission :V
inoryy: mostly working, trying to resist the contest
SwagColoredKitteh: :D
Astrobytes: 2 - 3 liner for bronze inoryy
Queuebee: must.. pat... can't... resist
Tiramon: don't resist inoryy come to the contest we have wifi and cookies
SwagColoredKitteh: i am here for the contest
ZarthaxX: SWAGOOOOOOOOOOOO
fvla: Wood 2 is mindnumbingly boring, all I can do is read chat
VizGhar: Hey guys :) how's contest? I'm starting tomorrow, just curious about your impressions
Hjax: it looks better than pacman at least
Lachrymosa: Its a fun game :3 sims will be needed for higher levels
Non0: easy to play, hard to master
GrekMaR: its buggy :D
AntiSquid: VizGhar tomorrow is too late, people are already in silver
fvla: Interesting board game concept that doesn't seem to have RPS
inoryy: Astrobytes I have the basic bot in already, just trying not to get pulled into writing a sim
Astrobytes: [C G] Thibaud — Today at 7:18 PM
we're working on it
eulerscheZahl: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3c61ab54-1a2b-443f-ab33-a76774e8403f
VizGhar: silver? :D dafuq?
fvla: AntiSquid lmaoooo
eulerscheZahl: hmpf
Astrobytes: Ah gotcha inoryy
fvla: VizGhar it's a bug
eulerscheZahl: Hjax 08:19PM
it looks better than pacman at least
I disagree
Hjax: you dont like it euler?
struct: euler you dont like it?
SwagColoredKitteh: i just need to make sure i don't open the black hole that is openttd
eulerscheZahl: I liked pacman
SwagColoredKitteh: that game sucks me in and i will come out 1 month in the future
eulerscheZahl: but somehow I don'T feel this contest so far
eulerscheZahl: might change but right now i wonder why I took some days off for it
struct: I think the contest has some limitations, but Im not good enough to prove it
VizGhar: ah. just reach legend and leave better places for us
inoryy: struct limitations?
Passifi: so now i am in the race too and right away I am greeted by a clock reminding me that live is too short and the pressure of only having 10 days is making my brain freeze
llllllllll: hmmmm, 100ms instead of 50?!
struct: in terms of strategy
struct: But I think that applies to all the games
VizGhar: 100ms... thats a lot
Hjax: this game does seem like more of a typical board game than most contests
Nerchio: am i the only one that thinks you have to look too deep to figure out if your moves are good or not
struct: Nerchio I go depth 20
VizGhar: maybe they want to help non-c coders to reach top 20
AntiSquid: finally silver \o/
Hjax: struct youre bluffing right
struct: no
Scarfield: wow, heavy pruning?
struct: Im using Beam search
VizGhar: if thats minimax struct you da boss
struct: I ignore enemy
VizGhar: :D
Tiramon: oh now i stabalized and got also promoted to silver
Hjax: ah i see
eulerscheZahl: maximax
Tiramon: CG should really add a safety measure if league is open without boss ...
llllllllll: maxmax
AntiSquid: how can you ignore enemy when they cast shadows ?
VizGhar: :D maximax is nice term
VizGhar: his eval simply ignores shadows
struct: I ignore that enemy can make actions
SwagColoredKitteh: my bot gonna be casting shade
AntiSquid: ok struct that makes sense
Manchi_o6o7: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/57f983b8-2569-46ab-b60f-0e6b3fdc891a
schachmatt: Tiramon if you stabilise in legend you get promoted to league -1 and get root access to CG servers
llllllllll: who cares about the enemy anyways
Manchi_o6o7: my code isn't printing for some reason
Michael_Howard: *gets ready to plant trees around struct's bot*
SwagColoredKitteh: i am currently still in the process of trying to learn to type properly so i am very slow at writing code :(
MadKnight: anyone using swift ?
Michael_Howard: Yeah
MadKnight: what do u guys use to run/test swift code locally ?
SwagColoredKitteh: i'm rewriting it all in rust as i usually do
Michael_Howard: MadKnight I just debug in the IDE like a maniac.
AllanOricil: what happens when a tree casts shadow?
MadKnight: Michael_Howard no that's not a maniac thing
AllanOricil: I dont see anything about it in the game definition
Istian: Why is complete not firing here?
Istian: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/59cc5f65-c1f7-4984-b251-f9913393edf0
MadKnight: using in-browser IDE is a maniac thing Michael_Howard
struct: the trees affected by the shadow do not gather sun points
llllllllll: it is in the description for sure
Michael_Howard: MadKnight that's what I meant
AllanOricil: what is the direction of the shadow?
WolfDarrigan: Istian, did you grow the tree this round?
AllanOricil: there is no input for it
llllllllll: Same as the sun
RoboStac: it's day % 6
rmuskovets: MadKnight well the kotlin language assist is not *that* bad so pretty much usable...
Lachrymosa: I've only ever used the in-browser IDE for this website >:D
kurtesy: :atom:
MadKnight: Automaton2000 what a maniac...
Automaton2000: is there a way for me to get to silver
cegprakash: https://www.twitch.tv/cegprakash Live now!!
Smelty: what u think abt the contest
Smelty: o.o
MadKnight: cegpralive
cegprakash: C++ stream :)
cegprakash: please join :)
Michael_Howard: Automaton2000 Yes, I think even you could get it today :)
Automaton2000: lol i just leveled up from silver xp. my bot is less than 1 ms
AllanOricil: oh I see
AllanOricil: the sun rotates in the hexagon
AllanOricil: its direction are the arrows
davilla: "replay in same conditions" doesn't replay in same conditions... hate debugging games like this
Hjax: automaton with the oddly relevant message
Istian: WolfDarrigan, it never fires. It actually tries to grow trees that are size 3.
geio: the algorithm of boss is too bad ? is that somany advance to next leagues very soon ?
Astrobytes: geio: Bug, staff are working on it.
geio: oh ok
Tiramon: afaik there is no boss, thats why everyone with a stable rank gets promoted
Manchi_o6o7: if someone can help me why isn't this printing
Manchi_o6o7: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/93ac2ef0-1618-4255-8e27-1ba25812a8f3
geio: it is a dot
geio: not ,
Smelty: hmm
Tiramon: because your indentation is hard to read ... no thats only why it takes me longer to see the real error
geio: there is syntax error ? in printf ?
LordSkaven: why is the website telling me I am in silver league?
Tiramon: because there is a bug
VizGhar: Manchi_o6o7 either build error, runetime crash or n <= 0
Tiramon: that is knwon to the cg guys
Tiramon: everyone with a stable rank in bronze gets the promotion
WolfDarrigan: Istian, I'd suggest printing the tree.size out to err and see if it is what you expect it to be then
Tusen: Why is it that my rank drops once i go out of the Arena? Like i was just around 100, i went out, dropped to 200 somehow?
geio: good bots played with u
Tusen: I'm literally winning every fight
Tusen: Maybe lose like 1/10
Brunin: or lucky bots xd
Tiramon: and because ranking is a bit broken right now
but normally it is because you lost against better bots
Tusen: Last 16 matches i lost 2.
Scarfield: when you resubmit, you start over from "the bottom of your current league" ish
struct: My bot is almost lasting 5 hours
Istian: WolfDarrigan yeah, did. It is as expected.
Tiramon: because the page is broken right now ;)
Tiramon: and the ranking games are slow
eulerscheZahl: they added 300 more bots to the running submits
eulerscheZahl: of course it's slow
Tiramon: 300 growing ...
Lachrymosa: 87% complete :V
Wontonimo: hmm, i'm surprised that the game doesn't do an early quit when one player has no trees left and the other player is ahead in score.
davilla: you can always hold out for an illegal instruction <crosses fingers>
Tiramon: damn 147:120 i'm getting closer but i don't reach you =)
Wontonimo: time to go make a sandwich
KelvinAndHubbles: Haven't played contests in a bit, doesn't new leagues get released every day and that's why the max are at silver?
AntiSquid: when struct gets 100% gold opens :D
eulerscheZahl: what's that tiramon? benchmark with 250 games?
geio: :taco:
Tiramon: no silver should have been release on monday ... they got a bug
struct: There is a silver boss
struct: gold will open 100%
eulerscheZahl: :D
Tiramon: no just the end scores of one game =)
struct: im missing 30 exp for level 30
AntiSquid: TONIGHT WE DINE IN LEGEND Automaton2000
Automaton2000: at least you know the number of digits
Tiramon: silver boss? so now the broke it completly?
struct: so Im hoping gold opens
Astrobytes: A race against time
struct: https://imgur.com/RKPN5R2
SabertheLost: woohoo, promoted
Wontonimo: woot! easiest gold ever
Tiramon: ok so no resubmit just stab the rank
Wontonimo: lol
davilla: I like the irony of this challenge... to get ahead you have to cut down the trees on the most arable land, just like in real life
eulerscheZahl: a crashing boss, even I can beat that
PatrickMcGinnisII: what ranking is the bronze boss?
Astrobytes: 42
eulerscheZahl: damn you laggy crowded chat
Wontonimo: there is a bronze boss?
struct: There isnt
struct: its just bugged
Wontonimo: yeah, that's what i thought
struct: blame the testers
struct: They should have made me bronze boss to gatekeep
**eulerscheZahl slaps struct around a bit with a large fishbot
KalamariKing: struct if you were bronze bot, very few people would get past
Astrobytes: Nah, that's CG's end. But I'll blame you anyway since you volunteer
struct: I think my bot would get placed gold
struct: if I didnt touch it
AntiSquid: game is hex, it must be struct's fault
eulerscheZahl: legend or delete
AntiSquid: maybe he gets legend today through euler
Tiramon: and no struct gnoxo is not a boss it's just a player with a boss picture
Lachrymosa: *DONK DONK* Special Victims Coding Unit.
Talking to Struct's Code: And can you point on this doll where Struct touched you?
PatrickMcGinnisII: a simple change like seeding a lower index number gained me like 300 ranks
PatrickMcGinnisII: silly stuff
eulerscheZahl: if they keep going, we can do "no sleep till legend" today already
Astrobytes: Lachrymosa: :rofl:
Astrobytes: "Sit at your desk til legend"
Lachrymosa: I'm already a fuckin Legend :V
Astrobytes: Or "watch on your phone 'til legend"
PatrickMcGinnisII: wondering if i hit rank 100 in bronze if it'll level to silver
Rabeeb: battling takes too long
Wontonimo: tacos till leagend
PatrickMcGinnisII: oops talked too soon
Lachrymosa: Wontonimo if I deliberately fail I have infinite tacos? DEAL
Hjax: are there any resources on hex bitboards? i know this isnt the first hex board game on this site
AntiSquid: redblobgames
Astrobytes: Only if Wontonimo is paying for the tacos
piegusek37: only I have a problem that I can't see the video from the game, only a gray screen?
jacek: oO
KalamariKing: A few of us have had that
AntiSquid: nvm misread
Astrobytes: Hjax: the bitboard methods for games has something iirc
KalamariKing: jacek here didn't help
Lachrymosa: Yo what the D: my battle completed % just got reset and I'm still in bronze?
Wontonimo: virtual tacos for everyone on me!
Tiramon: oh silver is growing and shrinking ...
Tiramon: only 3 in silver according to my leaderboard ;)
KalamariKing: piegusek37 if you're on chrome --> disable hardware accel, relaunch, enable, relaunch
Marchete: ouch erro -1
KalamariKing: Or try chrome://quit
Astrobytes: Also Hjax: not sure I see much bitboarding opportunity. Packing yes
Marchete: error -1
Wontonimo: yup, everyone in bronze now
Gabbek: anyone having:
An error occurred (#-1): "internal error".
all the time now?
Hjax: Astrobytes at least you can compute all shadows with a bitshift
struct: time to delete :(
piegusek37: thanks
struct: https://i.imgur.com/pGTkoqK.png
Wontonimo: bye bye silver ;(
Hoyer: i cant enter the ide anymore
Astrobytes: Fair Hjax
Hoyer: An error occurred (#-1): "internal error".
Asterixk: my code can't even seed i can't be silver
Tiramon: guess they are currently fixing ... but some statement would be nice
DumbassDan: Same @Hoyer
Wontonimo: oh no, my code and everyone else's has just restarted ranking
PatrickMcGinnisII: yea, my % started over
Wontonimo: crazy town
DumbassDan: Can't access IDE anymore either sadly
AntiSquid: can't enter IDE either annoying
PatrickMcGinnisII: i'm #1 in php...for a minute, lol
Marchete: my code is a sort with a simplistic score
Marchete: shouldn't be silve
Hjax: silver is closed now
DumbassDan: Guess they are fixing that?
Wontonimo: i think the 180-200 games per test in bronze is overkill considering there isn't FoW or any real randomness
davilla: so did anyone get a peek at the silver rules?
Asterixk: everyone rollback to wood2
Hjax: davilla no new rules in silver
struct: silver rules are the same
davilla: cool thanks
Wontonimo: thanks struct
DumbassDan: @Wontonimo, I mean, the board is randomised each time, with dead spots too
davilla: still chopping down trees on the most arable land, good to know
WesCraterMadman: are there any rules later that aren't just completely implementing photosynthesis? :stuck_out_tongue:
Tiramon: bronze are final rules
Astrobytes: Everything is :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
KelvinAndHubbles: when did the contest even start?
WesCraterMadman: this morning
Wontonimo: DumbassDan yeah, but once you see the board, the game is set. There is nothing to chance other than your opponents moves
Tiramon: almost 5h ago
SirLoxley: is there a simple algorithm to compute the neighbour indexes? By trying a few I haven't found anything obvious ... I suppose in later leagues this matters, so I would like to start early
BigUP: vous etes parti de quel code de contest pour le spring challenge ?
BigFatDecker: https://pastebin.com/KGa3W47W ok so im tryig to program something where i can turn on and off my light with my voice. everytime i run my code the off statement works perfectly but the run statement runs anytime it can hear you or i say on can someone help
davilla: I think it gives you the neighbors in the input... or if it doesn't, it will
ddreams: SirLoxley just make a lookup table from the initial input?
Astrobytes: SirLoxley: You are given the neighbour indices
Wontonimo: SirLoxley the neighbour indexes are given
WolfDarrigan: SirLoxley, the neighbors are provided
Wontonimo: everyone is so helpful
AntiSquid: SirLoxley you get the neighbour idx
SirLoxley: Ok, reassuring, so I won't waste my time on some formula which doesn't matter :-)
Tiramon: one more reason why local ide is preferable on contest start days
AntiSquid: ya well shit, locked out
Gabbek: same here, guess it's time to take a break :)
DumbassDan: Break time :)
Tiramon: keep building the sim and improve strategy ;)
geio: how my tree become dormant
AntiSquid: was setting up the board
ddreams: sleepy tree
AntiSquid: overengineering
orangesnowfox: oooh, bronze again, fun
Tiramon: a tree gets dormant if it has done a action on that day
SirLoxley: Should have looked in the provided github code, it's there
CasualPotato: geio when you perform an action to on the day
Thiesjoo: Code wiped ):
Wontonimo: hey orangesnowfox it's been a while.
orangesnowfox: Wontonimo, just a few hours, no?
AntiSquid: lol Thiesjoo ? wtf ?
orangesnowfox: err, no, it's been a while
Thiesjoo: I got in the IDE
orangesnowfox: my memory sucks lol
Thiesjoo: back to bronze
Wontonimo: i just got here
Thiesjoo: but all my code is gone
struct: Im back Tiramon :)
Scarfield: yea mine reverted back to default code as well
ddreams: Thiesjoo look in History
Thiesjoo: Oh but history is there
Thiesjoo: And i have backups aswell
Astrobytes: Mine was reset to D but my C++ is still there when I change back
AntiSquid: WELL FK ... :/
Tiramon: i will get you anyway ... sooner or later .. i'm so close with 5 ifs ...
AntiSquid: mine's gone
ddreams: Look in history
AntiSquid: ffs ...
ddreams: assuming you posted it
orangesnowfox: Lesson of the day: Don't code in the ide?
WolfDarrigan: Just copied all my code as a precaution :sweat_smile:
Zenoscave: https://www.codingame.com/replay/546953785
Zenoscave: I'm comming...
AntiSquid: no it's not in history, was switching to C++ ....
ddreams: uff
BigFatDecker: https://pastebin.com/KGa3W47W ok so im tryig to program something where i can turn on and off my light with my voice. everytime i run my code the off statement works perfectly but the run statement runs anytime it can hear you or i say on can someone help
Tiramon: for those missing the code ... there is the history on the left side where you can restore your last submit
struct: oh no, I just started at 1st rank with 4% of battles computed
Wontonimo: :thumbsup:
AntiSquid: different language, not my code T_T
struct: How far will I go?
Tiramon: i'm at 1% and right behind you ...
Wontonimo: they have confidence in you struct
struct: it just moved to 86 o.o
Zenoscave: 86% here too
JormaW: is there a way to see what challenge you were trying in the clash of code?
Zenoscave: with 1 game
Tiramon: oh yes mine too =)
Astrobytes: Nice and ruthless Tiramon (the kick) :D
JormaW: i wouldve loved to try and solve it but time ran out
Zenoscave: JormaW there's an active competition. Not many will help with CoC rn
Thiesjoo: IDE is quick again for me
Tiramon: 1.67 behind you still to much
Wontonimo: hey, maybe they changed the number of battles per submit in bronze
WolfDarrigan: only took an hour of battles, but finally made it to bronze :sweat_smile:
Zenoscave: Tiramon did you see my replay?
KalamariKing: JormaW I do not think so :/
Zenoscave: https://www.codingame.com/replay/546953785
JormaW: Too bad :<
Tiramon: not yet
Hoggins: how current challange game is called?
Tiramon: so it helped =)
Tiramon: or was a lucky round
Zenoscave: spring challenge 2021
eulerscheZahl: Spring Challenge 2021 @Hoggins
orangesnowfox: dang, 504 again
Astrobytes: Hoggins: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2021
Zenoscave: Tiramon definitely a lucky shot
Zenoscave: You still beat me quite a bit
Hoggins: hm... I thought there should be some cool tame like CoC ))
xMizar: Hi guys, can you seed or grow?
Tiramon: lost 2 out of 227 thats ok
orangesnowfox: In wood 1, bronze respectively, yes.
Tiramon: xMizar depends on your current league
eulerscheZahl: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832610056604221481/839865156607541258/unknown.png
photosynthesis
eulerscheZahl: as someone on discord mentioned
geio: from leader board how can i find position of boss
xMizar: I'm in Wood
WesCraterMadman: it's a pretty fun game
Tiramon: wood 2 complete, wait
wood 1 complete, grow, wait
bronze complete, grow, seed, wait
Thiesjoo: Hmmmm battles are really slow
WesCraterMadman: when do shadows come in?
xMizar: @Tiramon, ahhh, thanks
Lachrymosa: Thiesjoo Bronzee
Astrobytes: *WesCraterMadman Bronze ;)
Zenoscave: ftfy
Tiramon: great and my lost games seam just to be broken computations
ddreams: what are the numbers you're outputting struct?
Tiramon: wait i make valid moves and my enemy does not five in action in time and it results in a tie?
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/546962970
struct: ammount of trees of 0-3 height
Tiramon: *give
struct: That I own
ddreams: I see
xMizar: Just out of interest, why did you limit wood 2 as complete and wait only? It's impossible to write any normal strategy
Lizerino: is anyone else getting a warning your code did not read all available input when using c#
Astrobytes: QUESTION FROM STAFF: ANY CURRENT ISSUES FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN SLOW SUBMITS?
ddreams: Lizerino, don't break until you've read all the input
xMizar: @Lizerino - yes
Tiramon: wood leagues are tutorial leagues ...
xMizar: @Tiramon, i did tutorial, i want to do real business ;)
Zenoscave: Sporadic 504's Astrobytes but I feel those are replay related
DumbassDan: AstroBytes yeah, the code in the IDE is gone, lucky I have it saved locally :)
Tiramon: xMizar wood leagues are easy
Astrobytes: Cool DumbassDan, and yep, that's known Zenoscave, thanks
Zenoscave: :+1:
Zenoscave: do your own trees cast shadows on your own trees?
Zenoscave: I'm scrolling through the manual but there's a lot...
WesCraterMadman: They do in the boardgame
Zenoscave: And in this version?
DumbassDan: Now I'm being kicked out of the IDE again :(
sourlime: Hey I keep getting internal error when trying to enter the game.
Hjax: yes they do
Hjax: a spooky shadow is always spooky
Hjax: regardless of whose tree made it
Zenoscave: gotcha
Scarfield: Zeno, last part of "Sun and Shadows": They will find the shadow on a cell spooky if any of the trees casting a shadow is of equal or greater size than the tree on that cell.
Scarfield: oh im slow
KalamariKing: sourlime try closing and coming back? clearing cookies? clearing cache? irdk
Astrobytes: Everything seeeeems OK on my end
sourlime: same issue from a different computer
Lachrymosa: submission speed greatly increased
Tiramon: except that suns are scored after invalid moves why people doing invalid moves can win games everything is fine
[CG]jupoulton2: Hello, so sorry for all the problems, we're patching things up as fast as we can
ddreams: shit happens, as they say
Scarfield: ^
Lachrymosa: I'm just happy to be here
geio: we all :kissing_heart:
Kumbi: can you rewatch the game, with debug active?
Lachrymosa: you can pull the specific replay settings into the IDE and troubleshoot to your heart's content
Tiramon: you can even send it to your ide as long as you don't have random stuff in it, it should give the same result Kumbi
Tiramon: fascinating i win almost all games and still my rank is dropping ...
particleflux: Actually, why isn't this connected with discord?
Tiramon: and i'm droping even further ...
DumbassDan: Same
DumbassDan: Understand the devs are under pressure though, no worries
Tiramon: yes but i lost 3out of 474 games ;)
Zenoscave: At a certian point trueskill will round you down
DumbassDan: I'm actually surprised how well my simple bot is doing
DumbassDan: It has like 3 bits of logic, that's it
AntiSquid: lol IDE lockout again :D
Tiramon: mine has 5 ifs ;)
Wontonimo: what league DumbassDan ?
AntiSquid: saved my shit though
AntiSquid: GUYS SAVE YOUR STUFF TO LOCAL FILE ! just in case
DumbassDan: Bronze, 32nd right now, was 10th earlier :(
Tiramon: well 6 forgot the one aside the command choosing
DumbassDan: Nice, well maybe if I add 3 more ifs I can be as good as you
Tiramon: damn so many battle computing right now that i get battled all the time and still no progress on my battles ;)
SabertheLost: how to tell what day in the game (outside the code)
Wontonimo: my battles have completed.
ddreams: outside the code?
SabertheLost: in the emulator aka
ddreams: the day is given to you
ddreams: not sure what you mean
SabertheLost: yes, but I do not want to print it to see what they it does stuff. :) I want to hower over the board with my mouse.
DumbassDan: I get it, when debuggng it is hard to know what day you are on
Wontonimo: yeah, looks like Bronze has been changed to 100 battles per submit to Arena
ddreams: the day is the turn?
SabertheLost: oh, I thougth it was 1 day was 6 turns.
SabertheLost: is there only a bronze league? how can i be ranked 60 if so?
ddreams: you're a pro
MadKnight: don't tell him that
SabertheLost: what? harvest, if not then grow, then if not seed?
Scarfield: the day represents the direction of the sun
Astrobytes: Sunfield
Asterixk: yay i'm bronze again and the 3 if's are gone :p
Asterixk: no they aren't. they still in history
AllanOricil: yes
Tiramon: you can always restore your last submit from history
geio: submission with printing error output doesn't matter right ?
davilla: damn I never knew that
davilla: history
geio: xD
davilla: geio on other puzzles I've had it time out if it prints too much to stderr
geio: :o
cdude: For the new challenge I am getting a grey screen for the viewer. It doesn't ever show loading. I tried it for a past challenge and that worked fine. Does anyone know what's wrong?
particleflux: Apparently it's a known issue and they're working on a fix
cdude: Thanks, does a different browser fix it? If so ill have to download one
particleflux: yes, try that. For me it doesn't work in ff but in chromium, but I've read reports of the exact opposite
Tiramon: guess the answer is 'it's complicated'
davilla: someone posted something earlier about hardware acceleration, not sure if that was related
cdude: yeah, im on chromium so ill try ff
PatrickMcGinnisII: ff works, waterfox doesn't
PatrickMcGinnisII: haven't tried the new VMware version
eulerscheZahl: wild speculations: they updated from pixi4 to pixi5 (that's the JS libraryto show the animations)
eulerscheZahl: maybe hardware support is reduced in that pixi5
Tiramon: ff is working for me right now
Zenoscave: same here for ff
Scarfield: ff no issues, not even 504 for maybe 20mins
MoMaT: @cdude, make sure you allow writing to canvas (this could be used for fingerprinting and Firefox will block it).
fvla: FF was giving me 504 at the beginning, but nothing else
PatrickMcGinnisII: i think it's the CSS, when certain browsers encounter objects without certain properties set they don't render beyond a box
schachmatt: i was busy for an hour or two what did I miss
schachmatt: oh we're back in bronze
KalamariKing: Yeah but force-quitting the browser and going back in will fix it PatrickMcGinnisII
[CG]jupoulton2: I'm attempting to fix all outstanding IDE issues
KalamariKing: epic
Tiramon: atleast ff also has a cg local extension =)
KalamariKing: How does cg determine a tie
cdude: thanks guys, just finished downloading ff and signing in and it looks to be working great
Zenoscave: new bot-fix Tiramon?
Zenoscave: See a recent submit
KalamariKing: It shows both players as first but what determines whose name/pfp is highlighted
Lizerino: im not printing until after all the inputs and still i get Warning: your code did not read all available input before printing an instruction,
KalamariKing: Me too, idk what it is
fvla: KalamariKing Don't think it matters who is highlighted, I think you're always highlighted if it's a tie?
KalamariKing: Printing an input() gives a number, the first one 0 and the second one fluctuating between 18 and 19
KalamariKing: fvla oh I saw that the highlighting switched between first and second pos in a tie, so I assumed otherwise
KalamariKing: These battles take foreverrr
Tiramon: just made a resubmit to fix my beeing downranked while winning problem zeno =)
fvla: it does, go grab a snack and coffee
Zenoscave: gotcha. Well you down ranked me again :/
Zenoscave: def got a bug somewhere
struct: please dont push me down yet
struct: I need to hit the 6 hours mark
Westicles: What's that drug college kids use to help focus for finals? I need that to read this thing
Zenoscave: you have 16 min?
schachmatt: legend people problems
Zenoscave: adderall?
eulerscheZahl: that's just how trueskill works
eulerscheZahl: about confidence how strong you are
eulerscheZahl: if you win vs a really bad player, you might have lost some skills. just not enough to lose the game
Scarfield: still undefeated struct?
Zenoscave: ritalin?
Astrobytes: Meth?
Tiramon: don't think my current code will push you anywhere ... i'm still loosing against you struct
ddreams: 6 hour mark for what?
Zenoscave: Well a Meth salt
WesCraterMadman: All the add drugs are just a different flavor of meth anyway
KalamariKing: Tiramon losing
AllanOricil: How can I see debug logs?
Astrobytes: Hillbilly crank FTW
Tiramon: you know what i meant
struct: Scarfield I lost 1 battle
struct: and then fixed my bot
KalamariKing: ok actually why
Tiramon: i'm a bit torn between doing one more if to get 1st or start writing a sim =)
KalamariKing: some people wait after the first couple moves
KalamariKing: why
particleflux: wood leagues are really simple this time, hu?
KalamariKing: particle yeah
Astrobytes: Yes.
synchoz: thats it silver bug is fixed i wasnt here for like few hours :o
CasualPotato: Do trees in the shadow also cast a shadow?
struct: yes
KalamariKing: I'm gonna say yes
Scarfield: nice, if you end in top 20 will you get a t-shirt, or are testers not getting any prices at all?
CasualPotato: Thanks!
struct: no shirt
Zenoscave: no they can test for free
struct: :(
struct: Maybe I can bribe someone
KalamariKing: there should be a second leaderboard without testers, struct here was practically done when the contest started
struct: trading referee for tshirt
Zenoscave: nice morals struct
KalamariKing: Btw why are there trailing inputs?
eulerscheZahl: but whom to bribe?
eulerscheZahl: you have to find someone who can use it for top20
struct: im not done
eulerscheZahl: and with enough moral flexibility
struct: Also testing vs itself is not the same
struct: my bot is weak
Astrobytes: "Moral flexibility" :D
KalamariKing: Even with the boilerplate, you can add extra inputs or reads or whatever and there will be more numbers. why
Octodone: Do you guys can send a link that explain the ranking/point system ? thx
KalamariKing: the last lines should be possible moves I thought? not numbers
eulerscheZahl: Octodone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueSkill
Octodone: awesome
eulerscheZahl: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/trueskill-ranking-system/
Scarfield: upgrading to fakeSkill soon?
Astrobytes: falseSkill
Astrobytes: Overinflated ranking system
Scarfield: xD
Hoyer: do u guys write search algo with various optimizations from the start? or do u write it in a human-readable way at first and then apply optimization methods?
geio: yay promoted to bronze
particleflux: that trueskill stuff is licensed o.O
MadKnight: my browser just decided to crash because it ran out of memory
WesCraterMadman: hey maybe this is a dumb question, but how do I save a copy of the gamestate so I can restore it later after running some simulation? I'm using python
Zenoscave: tiramon quit beating up my bot
MadKnight: Automaton2000 what do i do with it? let's go fix it
Automaton2000: i dont think its possible to make a class for that
Tiramon: nice bot ftpud
JohnnyLuke: Wes, I would just keep track of the state from the beginning
Tiramon: i only hit you 3 times Zenoscave
JohnnyLuke: ig you are doing python though, i wouldnt run simulations
Hoyer: Automaton2000 how do I fix laziness
Automaton2000: any idea how to code for the other
Zenoscave: that's the most anyone has -_-
KalamariKing: WesCraterMadman wdym?
MadKnight: Hoyer just start doing CSB
Zenoscave: 3/33 is a lot
TobiasA: bruh struct is first
MadKnight: Automaton2000 that was supposed to be a joke about something else
Automaton2000: and i'm in the same situation
natofp: how does output behave when you print multiple instructions, where is some tutorial about it?
KalamariKing: WesCraterMadman if you go to settings --> mode=EXPERT then there should be a 'send to ide' button that will let you do that
Hoyer: MadKnight it feels impossible to improve in CSB
TobiasA: i can't believe i am in the same chat as someone who is first on this site
MadKnight: just use -3vel Hoyer
Scarfield: xD
TobiasA: fan boy mode activated
Tiramon: just pring one command per loop and you are fine
Zenoscave: -3.25 vel is better
Scarfield: -Pi vel the best
Hoyer: I'm already #28 MadKnight I doubt -vel is gonna help me
Zenoscave: knew it
Zenoscave: fix it. ezpz
Scarfield: xD
Hoyer: is -3vel the secret to enter top 20
Zenoscave: Wouldn't know not top 20 ;)
WesCraterMadman: I want to write a function to simulate scores if I take certain actions, but I don't know how to save what the current state is, short of using deepcopy. And that feels inelegant and probably bad
struct: I havent gotten any battles in a while
struct: I think ill resubmit
struct: Probably a bug
Zenoscave: have state apply/unapply functinos WesCraterMadman
WesCraterMadman: Ooh that's an idea
Maliamnon: do trees in spooky shadows cast their own shadows?
WesCraterMadman: thanks
struct: yes Maliamnon
Maliamnon: ty
JLukeSkywalker: using python for any of that is inelegant and bad
WesCraterMadman: yeah, well I don't know anything else
JLukeSkywalker: :(
fvla: bitboard?
inoryy: you can do poor man's bitboards in python with numpy
fvla: yeah
FdevM: I'm feeling a little bad about not being able to solve even the easy puzzles, what would you recommend me to do?
Lizerino: ive got no writelines before any readlines.. if i put another readline before my first writeline i get an error that im not taking an action in time.. wth is happening
Scarfield: python is too slow to get any results with search/simulations, if you want to learn about and use search algos, you almost have to learn a faster language with the CG time limitations
fvla: putting another readline means you're waiting for an input that never comes
barbora: if a player grows a tree, does the shadow get larger right after the grow action? Or does it get larger on the next day?
Lizerino: and still its says that im printing before reading all the inputs
inoryy: next day
DumbassDan: @Scarfield what makes you think that it's too slow for search algos?
schachmatt: @FdevM what language are you writing in?
JLukeSkywalker: for most games, if you run a sim in python you can get maybe 10-100 iterations, c++ you could get thousands
Zenoscave: 10k + usually. 100k+ depending on creativity and gamestate complexity
Scarfield: to compete on CG with search algos, what makes you think python will work DumbassDan? i started only knowing python, but switched to c++ when i wanted to learn and use minimax etc
Tiramon: oh now struct resubmitted
struct: yes, it was bugged
Zenoscave: He wasn't getting any games. wanted more
struct: I was not getting any battles
orangesnowfox: The real question... Is "how high of a branching factor does this game have"
Hjax: python is definitely too slow for search algos given codingames time constraints, source: ive tried it
orangesnowfox: and the answer is... Quite a bit MCTS?
Zenoscave: ~20 in mid game
DumbassDan: My reasoning is that most of the time the performance gains simply from switching language aren't justified most of the time
FdevM: @schachmatt python, you can start making fun of me
Astrobytes: It's more 'how much interaction is there between players' no?
AllYourWhat: python is the true leaderboard
DumbassDan: You could implement your algo in a more optimal way and get very decent performance out of python
KalamariKing: Yeah, you just gotta be smart about it
Hjax: DumbassDan tell that to my othello program, which saw a massive improvement from switching from java to rust, and java is already much faster than python
ddreams: usually some legend players with python
inoryy: DumbassDan you're thinking in real-world terms, in time / resource constrained environments it's a bit of a different story
Zenoscave: operative word is *some
SabertheLost: what happen to struct?
Astrobytes: Game-subjective ddreams
Hjax: struct resubmitted
dreadylein: @dumbassDan no, dont get me wrong, you can squeez out perfomance for basicly any language, but it realy depends on what you are aiming for, top spots in a search heavy game ? very unlikely
KalamariKing: struct died
DumbassDan: I'm talking about cpu/memory bound applications, usually all it takes is a little profiling for large % perfomance gains
Lizerino: https://medium.com/swlh/python-can-be-faster-than-c-2372c627068
Astrobytes: inoryy: *real world = research world :)
schachmatt: @FdevM we were all there once! Are you struggling more with implementing your solutions in code or thinking of solutions to the problems in the first place?
Zenoscave: i bet that link uses a library
Hjax: DumbassDan spending hours optimizing a search in python and youll still be 50x slower than somewhat sloppy C++ or Rust
andrefpoliveira: It depends
Hjax: theres a reason theres not a single python3 submission in legend in ultimate tic tac toe for instance
particleflux: that article draws rash conclusions :D
DumbassDan: I could be wrong, but I doubt that
Hjax: DumbassDan ive literally done it
andrefpoliveira: Last contest I changed from python to c++ and I got less states ahahahah
JLukeSkywalker: why poke and prod python to get a 10-20% performance gain when you could switch to c++ and get a 200% gain
inoryy: Astrobytes not even that, for most real-world cases the perf gains aren't *that* necessary, esp since most heavy stuff will run in C anyway
schachmatt: @Zenoscave it literally translates python into machine code :laughing:
Lizerino: i dont know.. the article says python can be faster than c++ under certain conditions and it aint wrong
ashikujjaman: why game ends before day 5
Astrobytes: Zenoscave: yeah, numba, and it's conclusions and methods are questionable at best
Zenoscave: Rediculous
DumbassDan: I guess I just like learning the gritty internals of the language, so I don't mind poking and prodding it :D
KalamariKing: Question: java or javascript
JLukeSkywalker: its not worth it though
dreadylein: noone minds this, many people like exactly this ;)
DumbassDan: And it really doesn't take long with built in profilers
inoryy: DumbassDan you're assuming people telling you it's not possible haven't also done that...
fvla: I only started using C++ because my mind couldn't handle Python's loosely typed structures
KalamariKing: java it is thanks
fvla: I'm glad it was the right choice for performance
JLukeSkywalker: if your python needs to be optimized enough that you need to profile it and mess around, you are using the wrong language
Scarfield: ^
FdevM: @schachmatt yes, that's why i still stuck in medium puzzles quest
Lizerino: luke.. couldnt that argument be said for every language
dreadylein: nah, thats totaly fine, if it is about squezing everything out of language
DumbassDan: I mean, I'm sure most people profile their code at least somewhat for top rankings on CG leaderboards
Astrobytes: inoryy: I find it odd that in a world where efficiency is the order of the day that this would be the case. Surely more efficiency would mean less resource usage overall (environmentally speaking)
Innocent9902: Nowadays performance is not a critical aspect since most CPU's are getting fast and fast
Lizerino: like if your c++ needs to be optimized to not have memory leaks you are using the wrong language
Scarfield: use the right tool basicly :)
Astrobytes: Innocent9902: Yes, it's called being wasteful.
ashikujjaman: why game ends before day 5?
fvla: Lizerino i think that if you're writing c++ code that needs to be optimized to not have memory leaks you are writing the wrong code
Nerchio: honestly if everyone used C++ here i don't think the site would be as popular as it is :P
inoryy: Astrobytes outside of research the most common use case for python would be web dev I guess? there you have like 10 layers of caches to deal with the inefficiencies of python
Scarfield: DontWasteBytes
Zenoscave: ashikujjaman you error out if it does
Zenoscave: Naw a lot of web dev switched to node.
particleflux: yuck node
Lizerino: fvla but then you can say the same thing.. if you are writing python that needs to be optimized for speed your writing the wrong code
particleflux: now that is an issue with performance, not py
Zenoscave: I write most in TS
particleflux: :P
Astrobytes: inoryy: I guess I speak of research a lot :D
avdg: TS here too
Innocent9902: most people want to be productive and ease while working not a headache searching which line semicolon should be added
JLukeSkywalker: if you need your code to run quickly, you dont pick the slowest language
AllYourWhat: wait you guys don't write everything in Fortran?
DumbassDan: Didn't mean to start a language war, sorry. Only meant to say being smart about your algo is more likely to get you leaderboard places than just switching languages
Lizerino: you are not arguing for the language with those arguments you are arguing against a coder
Scarfield: xD
DumbassDan: Hopefully that's not too controversial
avdg: not in lisp, no
fvla: Lizerino that's a constraint of the language/interpreter itself. C++ can be written in ways to avoid memory leaks
inoryy: DumbassDan it's not controversial, it's just naive
particleflux: indeed, algo is way more important than language in these cases
Lizerino: and python to be fast
Zenoscave: DumbassDan too late. Flame war begun
Hjax: DumbassDan but if you are already being smart about your algo, the lowest hanging fruit is to use a better tool for the job
inoryy: but every python dev has gone through that phase here so no worries
particleflux: though in day to day stuff, it won't matter in most cases
AllYourWhat: yeah just use HTML guys
AllYourWhat: HTML is super fast
XeroOl: don't worry, I already am
schachmatt: FdevM have you checked out the activities->learn page on codingame
avdg: I guess css is turing complete by now?
fvla: AllYourWhat HTML is still slower than C++
AllYourWhat: lol! true avdg
XeroOl: I'm at rank 190 in bronze with my HTML bot
schachmatt: geeksforgeeks also has some great articles on algorithms
Astrobytes: A wild avdg appears
Zenoscave: Can we stop making the stupid joke about css being turing complete
fvla: whoa, is CSS actually turing complete?
fvla: oh lmao
AllYourWhat: i thought it actually was?
particleflux: is it?
Zenoscave: it is. but being turing complete is meaningless
Astrobytes: Yes. But
Astrobytes: .
schachmatt: C++ this, Rust that... all pale in comparison to Haskell
Innocent9902: NASA in danger
Astrobytes: I feel like this conversation has been had before Zenoscave
FdevM: @schachmatt i read almost all posts of python in this section
inoryy: Astrobytes in research python inefficiency often almost doesn't matter since it's basically a DSL for a compiled workload
Zenoscave: A slide rule is turing complete. doesn't mean any one uses one
Zenoscave: Yesterday Astrobytes, Yesterday.
davilla: a slide rule ??
inoryy: Astrobytes but there are teams working on making it faster, see e.g. Instagram's fork of CPython
Astrobytes: inoryy: yes, I can understand that
Westicles: Alan to his young male students: you make me Turing complete
avdg: yeah, there is no option to compete with css yet :neutral_face:
not that I want to try though...
fvla: Is there anything to gain from learning functional languages (Haskell/Lisp) for bot competitions?
Astrobytes: And I didn't see that actually inoryy
avdg: you can always try to learn a language you understand half
Astrobytes: Interesting
avdg: and see what you get out of it
Hjax: if this site supported pypy, python would at least be a little competitive
fvla: CSS doesn't have proper i/o so it will never be added :(
ddreams: yeah, it's a great way to get some experience with a language
Hjax: pypy wont get you C++ performance
Hjax: but it really does help a lot
fvla: I heard that pypy can be slower in some ways
inoryy: Astrobytes there's also something interesting coming out from Microsoft but I probably can't share more than that :)
fvla: Would be nice if we had the *choice*
AllYourWhat: so you're saying we should have an HTML/css combined choice?
Zenoscave: GPT3 api inoryy?
Zenoscave: :D
XeroOl: can you only plant trees along an axis from your existing plants?
Hjax: my experience is that pypy is ~7x faster for the kind of workloads you do on codingame
inoryy: Zenoscave no, Python performance related
Scarfield: distance away from their size XeroOl
Zenoscave: oooh sweet
fvla: Ah, it's that significant, huh
Lizerino: is there like a tech support for codingame.. ive checked it a million times.. no output before input and no extra inputs after the ones that came with the template
avdg: gpt3 bot would be fun, I hope it's fast enough though
jacek: so pypypypy would be 49x faster?
XeroOl: is that distance measured taxicab, or only along a straight line Scarfield
Hjax: jacek now youre thinking with portals
Scarfield: dont know what taxicab is, but touching cells away i guess you can say
davilla: can't find any info online about the Turing completeness of a slide rule
Scarfield: "hex manhattan"
Astrobytes: Scarfield: taxicab is Manhattan
fvla: btw I heard that Rust is supposed to be good for avoiding memory leaks
XeroOl: like can a tree at index 0 plant at index 8
fvla: if that's the case...
XeroOl: if it's tall enough?
fvla: ...then what the hell happened to Firefox?
Scarfield: AstroCabs
particleflux: "avoiding memory leaks" - well pay attention is good for that, too :D
ddreams: Lizerino, are you certain you don't stop reading until it's done?
ashikujjaman: I am taking all input first then printing command but it stil showing this
Warning: your code did not read all available input before printing an instruction, your outputs will not be synchronized with the game's turns and unexpected behaviour may occur.
fvla: particleflux i agree :)
XeroOl: you must be reading something in wrong if you're getting that
schachmatt: @FdevM try https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/fundamentals-of-algorithms/
Astrobytes: inoryy: Interesting! I look forward to 'forthcoming developments' ;)
Enknable: or you didnt include an endline ashikujjaman
davilla: Microsoft? Not holding my breath
inoryy: that's a very dated perception ^
Astrobytes: Enknable :wave:
davilla: are they going to redefine python to calculate modulus wrong for negative numbers?
Astrobytes: +1 inoryy
geio: what is the rank of boss in bronze now
geio: i can't see it
aCat: no boss
Hjax: theres no bronze boss
inoryy: Astrobytes all I can say is watch out for proceeds of "Making CPython faster" talk by Guido at the PyCon summit https://us.pycon.org/2021/summits/language/
Hjax: until monday
aCat: silver league will be opened later
geio: :o
Enknable: Astrobytes Hey!
geio: ok
Astrobytes: Noted inoryy, thanks :)
struct: i lost again
struct: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
jacek: delete
Wontonimo: yup, only solution
Enknable: struct you have some secret Yavaleth snippets laying around?
struct: no
Hjax: struct is this the stronger unsubmitted bot, or the one from the testing?
struct: I justed coded 2k lines in 1 hour
Tiramon: we had a tie struct ;)
schachmatt: @inoryy can anyone watch that conference?
struct: This is from testing
Hjax: so the stronger bot is waiting?
inoryy: schachmatt unfortunately no, but there will be proceedings posted, e.g. talk summary
struct: no Hjax
fvla: is there any way for me to reach bronze faster? lol
struct: I think this is my strongest one
Hjax: ah
orangesnowfox: fvla: faster than what?
struct: I will code more after, but not today
Westicles: 197 people above wood1 boss. kind of weird
fvla: i'm just joking about the absurd number of battles and low speed
Astrobytes: I'm not coding anything until tomorrow
fvla: i'm one of those 197
fvla: 52%...
fvla: please end my suffering
Atatakakatta: servers must be slammed
orangesnowfox: I'm currently working, just waiting for a client to respond...
jacek: ahh those csb players...
Scarfield: MissingNo!
XeroOl: if you're above the boss in wood1, you just have to stop testing in arena
orangesnowfox: jacek!
XeroOl: and just wait for it to finish
fvla: stop testing in arena?
schachmatt: @inoryy cool! Never heard of pycon before but looking at the schedule looks really interesting
Atatakakatta: yeah, if you're above the boss, just be patient, you'll get promoted
fvla: i was mostly joking, didn't think there was any real way to speed up this process
cguzman: Bronze!
orangesnowfox: :c you outrank me jacek, I had like 30 minutes of coding before I started work
MACKEYTH: Gratz!
inoryy: schachmatt yeah I don't really get that policy but there's basically only about 100 people allowed to see the talk live
jacek: orangesnowfox lol i just take the second possible move
orangesnowfox: lol
orangesnowfox: I don't do `grow`
orangesnowfox: err, no, I do grow, I don't do `seed`
Atatakakatta: my code is basically "get points as fast as possible"
Atatakakatta: and it's working pretty well so far
orangesnowfox: That's a reasonable strat
Enknable: try:
win
Atatakakatta: just seeing my first loss to a good patient strategy
Atatakakatta: not even getting into this shade stuff -_-
orangesnowfox: You will at some point
inoryy: I'm trying "if lose: stop_lose()" doesn't work as well
davilla: reason for the policy is obvious: difficult to be critical of a talk if you can't watch it
DomiKo: try print('you lost')
orangesnowfox: I'm debating if I want to venture out to sims this compo
avdg: print('I tried some coding')
Atatakakatta: cout << "200 points"
orangesnowfox: panic!("wtheck just happened")
fvla: *cout without std::*
schachmatt: @inoryy seems needlessly exclusive :laughing:
Atatakakatta: who needs anything but std?
particleflux: "they used algorithms and coding to ensure drones didn't crash into each other"
orangesnowfox: lol
particleflux: that's all you need
particleflux: :D
orangesnowfox: except, it's coding and algorithms :p
Atatakakatta: if(crash)
don't;
particleflux: damn :D
fvla: i don't want to see any of those cursed #include <bits/stdc++.h> at least
avdg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kproPsch7i0
inoryy: schachmatt yeah... they're promising detailed proceeds though so I guess we'll see
Tiramon: yay rank 2 again
Nerchio: gz
schachmatt: well that's something
Atatakakatta: my code is desperately trying to hang on to top 50
Atatakakatta: considering how basic it is I'm happy with that!
fvla: ~~just use bitboards~~
ftpud: 4th :crying_cat_face:
TobiasA: how can i get the input from the site to an external ide so i can print stuff
struct: ftpud you can ignore my rank
aCat: TobiasA you have to reprint it on your debug stream
struct: I tested the game
TobiasA: where is the debug stream?
MACKEYTH: Is there a boss in Bronze? Other than struct?
JLukeSkywalker: not till monday
struct: im not a boss
orangesnowfox: you're *a* boss, not *the* boss
WesCraterMadman: not with that attitude you're not
TobiasA: woooaaah struct you are here i am a big fan
aCat: you print on stderr depends on your language, you should have hint in the default code
TobiasA: hehe
orangesnowfox: struct, is there a reference anywhere to the range of seeds? the statement doesn't seem to have one
fvla: As someone who's done other bot competitions before, I've gotta say that I'm really thankful for the ability to continuously test vs opponents here
TobiasA: where can i find the debug stream
fvla: standard error
Atatakakatta: @orangesnowfox range equals size of tree
struct: orangesnowfox what do you mean?
Atatakakatta: it's in the statement somewhere
fvla: std::cerr in c++
struct: a size 1 tree can seed 1 distance, 2 distance 2, and 3 can seed distance 3
orangesnowfox: struct, what Atatakakatta said, except I still have no clue where it is lol
orangesnowfox: got it
fvla: I just want to access the bronze statement...
particleflux: can't motivate myself to write a custom bot today, the given boilerplate was with a few minimal modifications enough until bronze
fvla: but I'm at 74%...
Atatakakatta: go take a walk
Atatakakatta: eat some lunch or dinner or whatever
fvla: already ate lunch
orangesnowfox: Go take a walk
fvla: recently
Atatakakatta: @orangesnowfox it's under "Actions"
Brunin: eat again
Atatakakatta: SEED: Command a tree to eject a seed onto a cell within distance equal to the tree's size.
JP7: is it against the rules to share the statements of each tier?
orangesnowfox: Ah, I see it now, not sure how I didn't before now, since I've read the line
JP7: can I just pastebin it to ya?
Hjax: its not against the rules
orangesnowfox: JP7, I don't see why it would be, there's literally the source code of the bot available, but I also have bronze, so if you're trying to send it to me :p
orangesnowfox: s/bot/game
fvla: s/bot/game?
JP7: @fvla https://gist.github.com/John-Paul-R/0c4075e450ac0540ae38ade366ebe54b
fvla: thanks!
JP7: gotchu
orangesnowfox: fvla: it's a regex expression, read it as "replace bot with game" (once)
fvla: okay, that's what it looked like
Lizerino: just to make sure i wasnt printing anything out of turn i put all commands into a list and printed them at the end and i still get a u did not read all input error
fvla: ohhhh i see now what that means lol
Hjax: Lizerino you only print once per input, if you print twice, youll get that error
fvla: but it should be
s/game$/game\//
Hjax: so you get the input, print exactly one command, get the input again, etc
orangesnowfox: fvla, wat
fvla: it's a convoluted way of saying "you missed the slash at the end"
Lizerino: that would explain it.. thank you hjax
fvla: 83% whoo
KCrown: what happens when both issue a valid grow 1 command?
orangesnowfox: fvla: that one only matters if you're adding flags ;)
fvla: btw do the rules change beyond bronze?
orangesnowfox: nope
Atatakakatta: beyond bronze doesn't exist yet
Hjax: the rules will not change beyond bronze though
orangesnowfox: But still, the rules won't change
Atatakakatta: @Kcrown both can grow at the same time
fvla: orangesnowfox is it valid sed syntax though? i know it's not valid perl
orangesnowfox: It's a holdover from IRC, I have no clue
KCrown: but each spot can only have one tree
Atatakakatta: if you're asking whether both can seed at the same time, if both players try to seed the same hex, neither does anything, I just saw it happen
JP7: @fvla Here is the bronze league info with the images https://static.jpcode.dev/temp/cg_spring_2021_bronze_info.html
JP7: picture worth a thousand words
particleflux: ah, IRC, good old times
JP7: "If both players send a seed to the same place on the same turn, neither seed is planted and the sun points are refunded. The source tree, however, still becomes dormant."
orangesnowfox: KCrown, with seed: Neither does anything, and the sun gets refunded, *but* the trees are still marked as dormant
orangesnowfox: what JP7 said
avdg: hmmm... https://pastebin.com/6EsPpkPc
fvla: JP7 thank you so much (although i'm now at 87%)
JP7: I am copypaste master
JP7: xd
avdg: I can't trust Math.min
KCrown: ok thanks
orangesnowfox: avdg, no, that makes sense
Westicles: Do they ever make unplanned rule changes? Like making the grid bigger?
Astrobytes: Not like that no.
Atatakakatta: if you think wood 1 is slow, wait until you see how long the battles take in Bronze
wasMalnourished: Hi guys
orangesnowfox: I'm still in the top 1k of bronze despite literally 2 submissions lol
orangesnowfox: and the second one was to add grow
avdg: hmm I missed something
ddreams: they used to change the rules for every league, but I think they never do that anymore
Hoyer: are Sun points given out before or after the actions?
WesCraterMadman: I've been chilling in bronze for like 20 min and I'm only 40% done
orangesnowfox: Hoyer, they're given at the start of every round
wasMalnourished: I m new to codingame :)) hope to have a great time here improving my coding skills
Hoyer: orangesnowfox thanks
JP7: Welcome @wasMalnourished, hope you enjoy your stay :)
Astrobytes: that's all I did orangesnowfox, in fact I just sorted the moves as such
avdg: ow right, the bounds...
avdg: programming 101
Astrobytes: lol avdg
orangesnowfox: Astrobytes, yeah, except I didn't sort the moves lol
orangesnowfox: I generate them (always and forever :v)
Astrobytes: Hey, I was busy and I had 5 minutes :)
orangesnowfox: yeah, same though
orangesnowfox: I'm still waiting for that client to respond
avdg: though glad I can spread UIntArrays and IntArrays :-)
orangesnowfox: ... Maybe I should work on my code quality while I wait
fvla: Finally free!
Astrobytes: I haven't done a thing since my second submit and do not intend to until tomorrow
orangesnowfox: Astrobytes, reason?
wasMalnourished: any newbie here?
inoryy: christ there's already 1400 ppl in bronze
orangesnowfox: yee
Astrobytes: Better server speed, time to think, clearer head :)
orangesnowfox: ah, see, that's why I'll only work on factoring until then :p
Astrobytes: @orangesnowfox
Astrobytes: Yes. Wise move
orangesnowfox: People just generally either hate it or don't have time to do it lol
Astrobytes: I already have my usual skeleton code ready to go
orangesnowfox: for a ga? or what?
orangesnowfox: oh, wait, duh, the same "skeleton" I normally make, but tailored to you
Astrobytes: Most searches, pathfinding, etc
Astrobytes: Yeah
Atatakakatta: who needs that? just brute force it!
icecream17: how many turns are in a day?
Astrobytes: I delete as appropriate on contest release
orangesnowfox: icecream17: n
Atatakakatta: @icecream17 until you both rest
orangesnowfox: In practice, probably less than 10
Westicles: Are books going to come into play on this one?
orangesnowfox: books?
Westicles: opening, closing whatever
Astrobytes: There's not much depth to it. I think it will be a how fast is your search and how deep can you go kinda thing
Nerchio: i say no but i know nothing about opening books :sunglasses:
DomiKo: Westicles yes yes
DomiKo: many people will hardcode first few moves
Marchete: it seems
Nerchio: theres random starting positions though idk how many
Astrobytes: check the ref
Marchete: with symmetry, not that many
fvla: not only random starting positions but also random unplantable areas?
fvla: how do you write books for that?
Marchete: ahh unplantable, true
Marchete: then it's harder
Mourfette: question, are the actions done in parallele? like if I have a size 2 tree un X, can i send "GROW X | COMPLETE X ?
Tiramon: just do one action per loop
Tiramon: as long as you don't wait it will happen on the same day
MACKEYTH: You get unlimited turns per day, but only 1 action per turn
Mourfette: oh I see ok
fvla: " If both players send a seed to the same place on the same turn, neither seed is planted and the sun points are refunded. The source tree, however, still becomes dormant."
Does this imply the possibility of deadlocks?
orangesnowfox: wym deadlocks?
fvla: oh wait dormancy
fvla: crap
fvla: ignore me
orangesnowfox: nwnw
fvla: spec went from 0 to 60 from wood 1 to bronze
Astrobytes: I thought that said dreadlocks... been a long day :(
Smelty: lmao just got promoted in contest with a random ai
orangesnowfox: Astrobytes... is there going to be anything weird about minimax for this game?
orangesnowfox: Like the fact that player moves are at the same time, but also not
yuusanlondon: lol I've been testing tons of attempts against struct's bot with different parameters and I'm yet to land a single win
Astrobytes: Minimal player interaction
Astrobytes: @orangesnowfox
yuusanlondon: what is this dark magic
orangesnowfox: Astrobytes: There's also like, shadows though
Nerchio: yuusanlondon struct was a tester so his bot is older ;)
Astrobytes: Yes, but it doesn't seem to extend much more than that orangesnowfox
Tiramon: damn there is more competition now in the top5 ;)
Astrobytes: I could be wrong orangesnow
dbf: "Then, players take actions by spending their sun points." - so I can send multiple commands for step? How to split them?
Astrobytes: fox
Smelty: hmm
orangesnowfox: Astrobytes, true
yuusanlondon: This is getting exciting :wink:
Astrobytes: orangesnowfox: But minimax was my first thought
Capim: tecnically each iteration of the main loop is a player's turn, not a "day"
Hoyer: dbf 1 action per turn, multiple actions per day
Capim: so you should only provide 1 action
Astrobytes: hi dbf
struct: yuusanlondon you won one time :)
Smelty: hm
dbf: hi Astrobytes
Hoyer: orangesnowfox "Like the fact that player moves are at the same time, but also not" what do you mean by "also not"? they're simultaneous aren't they?
orangesnowfox: Well, they're simultaneous, but it's still a turn based game
orangesnowfox: Which means that like, it's impossible for them to do 2 moves before you do one (which happens in RTA games)
marksalisbury: The comments at the top say of the provided input parsing code say "the game lasts 24 days: 0-23", however, it's logical for each day to mean all 6 positions of the sun, so there should really be 4 days and 24 turns, right?
marksalisbury: (I wonder if the comment is wrong)
cegprakash: Astrobytes hey
cegprakash: I reached bronze and possible top 100
cegprakash: without reading problem statement
Astrobytes: Hey cegprakash
cegprakash: https://www.twitch.tv/cegprakash
orangesnowfox: marksalisbury, a day is every *rotation*, not every full loop, think about it as a year being 6 days
yuusanlondon: struct oh wow! I had literally tried like 30 games against your bot- time to study how the win happened!
Astrobytes: I know you got bronze I was in there :D
orangesnowfox: The sun goes in a circle over 6 days
Astrobytes: AstrocyteDnB is my twitch cegprakash
marksalisbury: thanks orangesnowfox
Smelty: yass
fvla: i wonder if the sun precesses
fvla: oh well
fvla: trees growing in 3 days is pretty insane to begin with
fvla: let's not think too hard about the physics behind days here
WesCraterMadman: this game takes place on a planet circling its sun at an absurd rate
Astrobytes: So are pawns and whatnot being chased by castles.
Smelty: ikr
WesCraterMadman: the fauna has evolved to grow quickly to take advantage of the sun
schachmatt: don't be silly the sun circles the planet
fvla: most importantly, we have creatures that are called Tororo and Ghilbib
Astrobytes: That did amuse me
fvla: This planet clearly exists just to make fun of ours
WesCraterMadman: I laughed at the bot names
fvla: ikr
Smelty: hmm yes
Astrobytes: Ghilbib was my favourite I must say
SwagColoredKitteh: the sun circles this planet as if the planet is flat and the sun is going in circles above it
SwagColoredKitteh: flat earth confirmed
steph.paso: flat earth >>
PythonSlayer: https://www.twitch.tv/xueliam pls he is missing 3 follows :)
Vadasz: Hi! Submits are very slow. Are there same known problems, or this speed is normal?
Tiramon: missing the giant turtle and elephants for that
WesCraterMadman: Nah if it were a flat earth the center would be a big cold mountain where the gods lived
SwagColoredKitteh: t h e g o d s
Spacer: What does "Once you have proven yourself against the first Boss" mean?
Queuebee: big spaghetti & balls
SwagColoredKitteh: maybe we are on this mountain and the gods are the gods of agriculture
WesCraterMadman: outrank it in the arena
Tiramon: get a stable rank better than the boss Spacer
Astrobytes: It's turtles all the way down
raxkin: Does anyone have a problem with the game preview? it shows a gray screen instead of the game
raxkin: And a error on console:
raxkin: Cannot read property 'resize' of undefined
Smelty: nope.....but try reloading first
ddreams: many people had that problem
Smelty: hmm
raxkin: It worked fine on my other linux pc, i'm on windows now and not working. wierd
ddreams: many reported restarting the browser fixed it
Smelty: weird-
Smelty: well im on linux
KiwiTae: im on linux too works on chronium
Astrobytes: The gray screen will be fixed when CG complete their PIXI.js lib upgrade
Astrobytes: Should be tomorrow-ish
Smelty: ah okay
CasualPotato: raxkin check if your hardware accelaration is turned on in chrome, this fixed it for me
AntiSquid: looking at this game and wondering if it's more productive to go to the pub instead
Astrobytes: Yeah, and if it is, disable, exit, then reopen and enable. Works for some.
Nerchio: lol :D
KiwiTae: AntiSquid to the pub
raxkin: CasualPotato that worked! i had it disabled for other stuff. Turning it on works
Astrobytes: I have tonight. I've been watching everything unfold and drinking beer
Eglerion: Pub sounds amazing. Sadly everything is closed here in germany. #thankscovid
SwagColoredKitteh: come to the rust side, we have lots of pub
Astrobytes: lol
xMizar: Does anyone have that problem? "Warning: your code did not read all available input before printing an instruction, your outputs will not be synchronized with the game's turns and unexpected behaviour may occur."
SwagColoredKitteh: i hate covid it's time we rm it
xMizar: My actions are desynchronized but i can't understand why
schachmatt: @Eglerion just wait a week, you never know with the rolling lockdown
SwagColoredKitteh: vaccinate me already, belgium
MrWhoG: how do i get to the next league?
KiwiTae: struct you gonna make it till tomorrow it seems
fvla: xMizar You must have either added a read or removed one
Nerchio: xMizar you either read too much, output too much or your code timeouts
fvla: hm, so those are also possible. interesting
AntiSquid: SwagColoredKitteh are you sure you need it? if you're negative and have antibodies it's pointless imo
Smelty: hmm yes.
Astrobytes: s/covid/peasandlove
Smelty: hmm
Smelty: st
WesCraterMadman: I love the bots that just wait for their trees to grow up, chop them down, and take a nap for the rest of the game
Smelty: xD
Westicles: So many people are having side effects, now people who don't are worried something went wrong
Smelty: lol
Smelty: fake rumors tho
Smelty: some of them
Rabeeb: since when are battles so slow
Smelty: speed em up on the side
Smelty: the settings
Rabeeb: takes about 10 minutes to finish all
fvla: i wonder if battles will speed up in a few days when everyone gets bored
Smelty: if they arent appearing then yea its just fighting em
Rabeeb: no i mean the system battle time
Smelty: fvla: possibly
Eglerion: they're slow since it's the first day of the competition... has never been any different on day 1 ^^
fvla: i see!
AntiSquid: you can check CDC website online they keep track of side effects i heard, no idea what it covers, some stuff listed, didn't look into it just know it's there
Smelty: yea
Rabeeb: ohh..
Smelty: I make my bots say "I sleepy boi" when they finish a turn lol
MACKEYTH: So few people give their bots flavor messages
Astrobytes: No, it's usually for debug purposes
cegprakash: are there any new rules after bronze??
Astrobytes: Unless it's "mudamudamuda"
Astrobytes: No cegprakash
cegprakash: weird..
WesCraterMadman: just scarier robots
Astrobytes: Bronze is final
cegprakash: I only print valid moves and I'm top 100
MrFruit: I tweaked a little character, and my bot got destroyed by the boss
cegprakash: I see top 2 guys replay
cegprakash: fighting for middle of the map
Astrobytes: Humblebrags don't work in bronze on the first day cegprakash
inoryy: I assume most people only print valid moves
AntiSquid: muda is opponent eval actually
Tiramon: first time i see something like this
The tree on cell 30 is too far from cell 9 to plant a seed there
Tiramon: did i miss the range stuff?
KiwiTae: cegprakash if you don't print a valid move your bot looses the game
XeroOl: @MACKEYTH I've added flavor messages for my bot
XeroOl: I don't know why others haven't
XeroOl: it's kind of fun
Asterixk: @Tiramon how about tree size?
cegprakash: @XeroOl you should trash talk to distract opponent
cegprakash: especially when opponent is in the lead
Tiramon: is that a question or do you have something in the rules?
ddreams: you can plant up to tree-size away from the tree
Asterixk: range depends on src tree size
Spacer: Now I get it! It's not that I don't win, it's just that battles are super slow. And here I am resubmitting it over and over.
Tiramon: oh there it is ...
Command a tree to eject a seed onto a cell within distance equal to the tree's size.
Astrobytes: Tiramon:
SEED: Command a tree to eject a seed onto a cell within distance equal to the tree's size.
fvla: Distance is in the doc
Astrobytes: Ah you got it :)
fvla: "The distance between two cells equals the minimum number of cells to go through to get from one to the other."
struct: my bot is starting to lose more
Tiramon: ok ... no i have to rethink my stuff for this ..
still wondering that it was working so good without watching for this :)
Astrobytes: struct: this is your final testing bot?
ddreams: well, when you do it you wait instead
struct: yes
ddreams: waiting isn't that bad
MACKEYTH: Jeepers Tiramon, you got into the top 10 with a bot that could throw invalid commands? Metal.
Tiramon: it's is really bad if i skip a whole day that way
Tiramon: was rank 2 with it most of the evning and close to struct ;)
ddreams: proving my point
ddreams: but you won't get to legend that way :p
Tiramon: hope that bugfix does not decrease the performance ;)
MACKEYTH: It's a load-bearing bug
AntiSquid: MACKEYTH still start of contest, everyone has a bugs
struct: Even I have bugs
AntiSquid: your bug opened silver early
Tiramon: ok so i also have to calc distances now ... was so fun without ...
struct: if any bot has higher win rate than 99% then open silver
orangesnowfox: Why do they have 37 cells :c
I wish it was <= 31 so that I could do 4 bits per cell index
struct: I have mixed feelings about having submited this bot
fvla: Is there a way to watch top replays?
Asterixk: too soon struct?
ddreams: go to the full leaderboard
orangesnowfox: fvla: are you a top player? :p
fvla: nope
fvla: :P
AntiSquid: orangesnowfox no idea, but i counted max number of shadows you can cast on cell with a tree is 3 * 6 directions * 37 = 666
DomiKo: struct you spoiled a bit I guess
struct: spoiled?
orangesnowfox: Did struct spoil anything?
Tiramon: fvla you can here
https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2021/leaderboard
Astrobytes: That would have been far too easy orangesnowfox (the fitting the board in a 32 bit uint that is)
fvla: thanks!
orangesnowfox: Astrobytes, I just want to fit the neighbors into an integer... Oh, neighbors fit into a 32 bit int with only 2 wasted
Astrobytes: I don't think struct spoiled anything with his bot
Tiramon: i didn't even analyzed his bot yet =)
AntiSquid: i don't think everyone wants to do bitsets and beamsearch though
orangesnowfox: Astrobytes: I didn't even think about that! aaaaggggh
- p
Tiramon: he is just the motivation to get better
Astrobytes: orangesnowfox: :P
struct: Also i dont think the meta will be this
AntiSquid: use 64 uint
struct: My bot was only trained against version of itself
orangesnowfox: oh right, struct, you're using nn?
struct: no
orangesnowfox: derp
struct: By training I mean improved eval
orangesnowfox: lol
orangesnowfox: :c I fell out of the top 1k finally
Astrobytes: His bot was total BS :D
inoryy: human gradient descent
orangesnowfox: hahaha... Imagine tuning millions of dials
AntiSquid: submit spam gradient
MrWhoG: how to i get to the next league?
orangesnowfox: MrWhoG: get gud and then wait
struct: Im not even sure if this bot can make it to gold
Astrobytes: Human Gradient Descent - like getting down from Everest right?
struct: Also I asked cg before I submited
MrWhoG: so press "test in arena" and then just wait?
struct: But I dont think they were aware of this version
AntiSquid: why ask CG, what's the issue struct? lol
orangesnowfox: MrWhoG, yeah, basically, if it's not good enough, do it better
struct: My other version has 1% winrate vs this one
Astrobytes: Doesn't matter struct
MrWhoG: im winning like 99% of the time
AeroFufel: @struct Does Struct has a stream? or anything casing?
Marchete: calm down struct
orangesnowfox: MrWhoG, what version?
AntiSquid: what's the commotion all about? i don't get it lol
Astrobytes: It's a good benchmark
struct: sorry
MrWhoG: what do you mean? which version?
Tiramon: that will change MrWhoG ;)
Astrobytes: struct is doubting himself, don't struct, it's all cool
AntiSquid: struct did nothing wong
orangesnowfox: yee, struct, you're fiine
Astrobytes: Ey enough pings
Marchete: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/spring-challenge-2021/struct
struct: I dont ear pings its fine
inoryy: struct struct struct
MrWhoG: so if i press "test in arena" i see like 15 games that i almost all won, then sometimes new battles come in. do i have to wait until the list has 100 battles or what?
Astrobytes: lol
dreadylein: @inoryy :D
dbf: MrWhoG yes
Astrobytes: MrWhoG: that's your submission progressing
Nerchio: MrWhoG depends on your goal, if you want to advance to higher league then wait
AntiSquid: i am currently thinkering my structs
Tiramon: MrWhoG battles are slow right now ... many people are submiting
MrWhoG: so if i change anything about my code the progress resets?
Tiramon: just keep thinking how to improve your bot while he finds his rank in the world ;)
fvla: Maybe I need to make a neural network for this competition
Astrobytes: No, not unless you resubmit
Smelty: perhapsnt
Astrobytes: Or maybe just connect your own one in the right ways fvla
MrWhoG: ok, but i don't have to stay on the battle list view, right? it just does it's thing in the background
Astrobytes: yes
Smelty: breh its been 20 mins and only half of hte battle for me have been fought
MrWhoG: thanks guys! <3
fvla: but fr I'm thinking about training one later on
fvla: for now it's just good ol' algos
Astrobytes: Feel free.
inoryy: i'm training one as we speak
Astrobytes: Smelty: such is the way of the contest
struct: is NN even feasible?
inoryy: a human one, sure
Smelty: yes astro
struct: I dont have any knowledge on NNs thats why iam asking
Astrobytes: You do
Astrobytes: Your own
fvla: Isn't NN just a bunch of matrix multiplications to execute?
WesCraterMadman: where would you train it?
DJPrivatePony_ed4b: nsa has nothing on us
inoryy: fvla a bit of a simplification, but sure
Coded_Ragon: Helloworld!
ProgrammingIsLove: Hey
Westicles: EU has new ban on AI. Sorry, no NN for you guys
fvla: i know it's slightly more complex because of activation functions and other layers but ye
DJPrivatePony_ed4b: howdy
ddreams: all the bots are basically just cpu instructions to execute
Coded_Ragon: I unlocked the chat. :D
ProgrammingIsLove: why was it locked earlier
AntiSquid: there are more types of ML models than the popular NN !!!
WesCraterMadman: I've thought of trying to implement a NN on problems here, but how do you do it? You need a ton of data to train the dang thing
Astrobytes: May the bots have mercy on our souls.
DJPrivatePony_ed4b: 15 threats approaching fast !
XeroOl: can you guys top making bots better than mine? my rank on the leaderboard is getting worse over time
XeroOl: thanks in advance
DJPrivatePony_ed4b: :joy:
inoryy: AntiSquid blasphemy
WesCraterMadman: yeah what he said
Nerchio: WesCraterMadman you can run the game locally using referee on github
WesCraterMadman: ooh I did not know that
Astrobytes: And scrape replays
DJPrivatePony_ed4b: xxx on a killstreak uh
Astrobytes: are you ill DJPrivatePony_ed4b?
DJPrivatePony_ed4b: no:no_mouth:
Astrobytes: Your chatting makes little sense so far. Fix it.
MACKEYTH: Is there a way to select a specific bot from the leaderboard to train against?
DomiKo: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/spring-challenge-2021/struct
DomiKo: use this and copy ID
XeroOl: @MACKEYTH yes
Astrobytes: In the IDE or offline MACKEYTH?
ddreams: yes, click "delete"
MACKEYTH: IDE
DJPrivatePony_ed4b: who put on the planet :japanese_ogre:
Astrobytes: Just click the opponent icon and replace it with another one from the league you are in
AntiSquid: why is number of cells given in input if it's always 37 btw? ~_~
Astrobytes: *the delete below the opponent icon
Astrobytes: It may be a stub thing AntiSquid
fvla: AntiSquid because they didn't want to make a constants file, and instead feed everything through stdin like all CodinGame problems
MACKEYTH: Sweet
Astrobytes: Not 100% sure but I think it might be necessary for correct stub gen in some langs
Astrobytes: fvla: have you looked at the game source
Astrobytes: AntiSquid: Or could be redundant :shrug:
DJPrivatePony_ed4b: is there any other games like this?
Rabeeb: is it possible to build the game locally from GitHub repo?
fvla: Astrobytes no. what i meant by no constants file is that they didn't want to give us a constants header/module for every language
struct: yes Rabeeb
AntiSquid: fvla why should we believe anything you say? you don't have an avatar
Westicles: fvla is yet another westicles troll account
DJPrivatePony_ed4b: no hes my friend
Rabeeb: @struct where is the main functuin?
Rabeeb: *function
Westicles: DJ just kidding. I've been reduced to a meme
Rabeeb: ok I'll try to pull and build
DJPrivatePony_ed4b: ah ight:kissing_heart:
AntiSquid: how did that level 1 enter chat ? @_@
Nerchio: wait chat is unlocked with levels? haha
Astrobytes: ah gotcha fvla
AntiSquid: Automaton2000 kick to make sure it's not a bug
struct: Rabeeb I dont know how to explain it well enough, usually I just open it has a intellij project and run test.java
Automaton2000: it's hard to make it so that if i change my profile picture
struct: or w/e is the file name
Astrobytes: Westicles: Be proud! :rofl:
struct: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/25775/codingame-sdk-documentation/introduction
DJPrivatePony_ed4b: anyone from the states?
WesCraterMadman: yo
AntiSquid: i know someone in Florida
WesCraterMadman: we count those
MACKEYTH: Yeah, VA
DJPrivatePony_ed4b: im in kissimmee, FL
WesCraterMadman: CO
Hjax: i couldnt make myself work the whole day, im home looking at the game now
DJPrivatePony_ed4b: sweet :fist:
Rabeeb: @struct thanks
Astrobytes: Hjax: work was 100% better than earlier shenanigans so you're good to go
Techno504: hi guys, i cant see the game screen in the challenge; it is just greyed out
struct: some people fixed it by changing browser
Techno504: ok i'll try that thanks
Astrobytes: Or disabling hardware acceleration, quitting, restarting, then re-enabling
PatrickMcGinnisII: DJPrivatePony_ed4b i know lots of people in kissimmee
Astrobytes: It's a PIXI.js issue though on CG side, lib will be updated in next day or so
Tiramon: and yes watching for seed ranges decreases my bot performance ... i love those bug fixes ...
Tiramon: more on this tomorrow ... gn8
struct: gn
PatrickMcGinnisII: Maybe adding a bootstrap.js won;'t confuse the jquery
AntiSquid: malloc(): corrupted top size @_@
Astrobytes: gn Tiramon
MSmits: mmh why would seeds get spookied>
MSmits: they dont even give sunpoints
AeroFufel: Guys. While I wait in the Ranking table, most people are in gray color, but some guys have a rank in a green color. Why are those green?
Hjax: its the forest spirits that live there that give you the sunpoints smits
Hjax: and they get spooked
PatrickMcGinnisII: green are gonna advance
MSmits: i kno
MSmits: but there are no forest spirits in seeds
Astrobytes: For the first time ever, Smits appears in chat on first night of contest
AeroFufel: oh, thank you
Astrobytes: After ?disableChat
MSmits: hey i still have it on disable on the tab where i test my code :P
KalamariKing: oh yeah lol
welcome back smits
KalamariKing: my code is all over the place
Astrobytes: lol
PatrickMcGinnisII: MSmits needs tips unrelated to bitboarding
MSmits: i was just wondering about the debug mode where it says spooked on any tile with a shaded tree but also on seeds
MSmits: its weird
Astrobytes: What do you think of the game?
MSmits: Its good
KalamariKing: spooked could just mean no spirit
KalamariKing: it's interesting, indeed
KalamariKing: Really well put together
PatrickMcGinnisII: i think pokemon I mean NN trainers are gonna do well
PatrickMcGinnisII: I'm still confused, looks like u can do multiple commands... but there's no delimiter?
Astrobytes: I'm pretty ambivalent rn, seems a bit lacking. I may be wrong.
MSmits: KalamariKing no thats not true, because where there is no seed, it doesnt say spooked
PatrickMcGinnisII: can u just put spaces between commands? Am i getting that right?
MSmits: empty cells
MSmits: seeded cells should have the same spook status as empty cells, because both have no spirits and give no sunpoints
Astrobytes: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/1c9a1a05-907b-44a5-a329-570f41f83eef
Astrobytes: @PatrickMcGinnisII
JP7: Each iteration of the main loop is 1 turn. Each day has many turns
KalamariKing: @PatrickMcGinnisII the delimiter is a newline
MSmits: sometimes the scroll bar freezes, cant scroll chat
MSmits: its been like that for a while, not related to contest, it's annoying
Astrobytes: yes, it's very annoying MSmits and has got worse recently
MSmits: ah o
MSmits: k
Astrobytes: Been reported but :shrug:
MSmits: I thought maybe i am freaking out my computer with the 8 running meta mcts processes
struct: nah
PatrickMcGinnisII: i literally have 20+ lines of logic and am in top 500... hmmm
Astrobytes: Nope. It's A Thing.
struct: I have that problem too
MSmits: what was that earlier thing about bitboards someone said?
MSmits: i already finished bitboarding this thing, not that hard
PatrickMcGinnisII: once i put in the sun cost calculation I can do multiple commands, yeah
MSmits: it's writing a search thats complicated
PatrickMcGinnisII: u bitboarded it? rofl
struct: I enjoyed bitboarding it, I have no real experience with it
MSmits: yeah, to get a compact gamestate
Astrobytes: Really? In what way? Multiple layers ?
struct: took me a bit
Astrobytes: Or you just packed things into ints
MSmits: multiple layers yes
PatrickMcGinnisII: did u use a different mask for sun position?
MSmits: ownership layer, dormant layer etc
MSmits: i have stuff that has a sun mask yeah
Astrobytes: Hm. Are you sure this provides a speedup?
MSmits: no, it's more about saving gamestates compactly
struct: MSmits did you left 3 bits pad minimum for shadows?
MSmits: in case i need to
MSmits: i dont need to, in my case struct
avdg: hmm more than 135 are better than the bot in wood 1
MSmits: i just loop over trees and create a shademap from them using lookups, then combine the shades
MSmits: i got treemaps for all sizes of trees
struct: I see
struct: I just did shifts
cegprakash: https://clips.twitch.tv/GiantDignifiedHawkTwitchRPG-a82m6vd8Der_MSeR
Astrobytes: Yeah the shade bitmaps makes sense, we spoke about that earlier
MSmits: nah i have shade and seed arrays precalculated
Astrobytes: lookups would be faster I imagine
MSmits: for each cell i can lookup where it can seed and where it throws shade
struct: seed is precalculated for me yeah
PatrickMcGinnisII: smart, thought of that ... but dunno how to store board linearly ... 7x7=49 bytes?
cegprakash: @struct u are featured in the above clip
MSmits: i just used uint64_t
MSmits: first 37 bytes
MSmits: bits
MSmits: sry
PatrickMcGinnisII: indexes are basically fixed ... so lookup tables are doable
MSmits: yeah the map never changes in terms of neighbors and richness
PatrickMcGinnisII: i haven't looked at ref, but i assume random symetrical 0's
PatrickMcGinnisII: beyond the basic board
orangesnowfox: def symetrical
MSmits: sometimes there are no 0's
MSmits: fairly often even, it seems
MSmits: i use a fixed seed for testing that has 0's, otherwise you wont know when your bot tries to seed 0's
Smelty: rank: exactly 3000
https://snipboard.io/ZnQBGt.jpg
Smelty: update:2999
PatrickMcGinnisII: GF is here....gotta go. tx MSmits, still dunno if faster ... me thinks need xor bitblt
orangesnowfox: You have a point on neighbors being static, but not sure how much that helps...
MSmits: it helps when you create lookup arrays
MSmits: for shading and seeding
PatrickMcGinnisII: ^
PatrickMcGinnisII: glhf
Astrobytes: Seems the way to go
orangesnowfox: Also, There's between (0 and 10) * 2 zeros
MSmits: * 2 ??
MSmits: there can be 20 zeroes?
orangesnowfox: symmetric, no?
orangesnowfox: oh, no, 10
MSmits: so 0 and 5
Hjax: the middle can be 0 though, so its not necessarily a multiple of 2
orangesnowfox: ^
orangesnowfox: yeah
MSmits: with a lot of zeroes the game becomes easier to search
orangesnowfox: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2021/blob/main/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/BoardGenerator.java#L47-L61 here's the relevant part of the ref
orangesnowfox: I can't tell what the behavior is if it wants 10 holes and the center is one of them... if it'll give 11 or 9
MSmits: maybe I'll create a testing arena at some point if i have the time
MSmits: usually i dont
Asterixk: center is index 0
orangesnowfox: yes?
Asterixk: has no symetruic
orangesnowfox: yea, that got brought up just a min ago
KiwiTae: there are holes?
orangesnowfox: bronze and up, the grey squares
Asterixk: yup, don't fall
KiwiTae: I should read the rules
orangesnowfox: technically they aren't holes but like... deadzones
Astrobytes: Some holes are best avoided KiwiTae
struct: MSmits you mean a local referee?
Smelty: perhaps
struct: or visual stuff?
orangesnowfox: Who hear can read Java for me?
MSmits: just something that can calc winrate by simulating games
MSmits: so nothign visual
struct: like brutal tester?
orangesnowfox: namely just... `random.nextInt` and what its bounds are
MSmits: yes, but i prefer using my own
struct: ah I see
MSmits: takes some time to write it and avoid bugs
MSmits: but it's doable, did it for gitc
MSmits: similar complexity i think
orangesnowfox: 0..10 rather than 0..=11 I think for bounds
orangesnowfox: ie, [0, 10)
DJPrivatePony_ed4b: fuck this
Astrobytes: damn you too fast
MSmits: did some mod grab him by the pony?
struct: My cpu is not at 100% atm
struct: i havent coded anything yet
Astrobytes: :D
AntiSquid: is that really bannable? he said nothing else weird right ?
struct: Im sure someone already has a bot that can beat me
orangesnowfox: Yes, definitely [0, 10), so, now you know how many deadzones there are lol
struct: Sure he did nothing
struct: I saw bans for less
avdg: for breading?
AntiSquid: all he wanted was some interaction
MSmits: i think you mean intercourse
Astrobytes: Lets quit the crap and just focus on getting rid of it eh
AntiSquid: breeding not breading @_@
avdg: breathing I guess
avdg: can't type
MSmits: lol
MSmits: i thought you meant breeding also
avdg: k, lets assume it was all that
AntiSquid: havn't seen you in a while avdg
orangesnowfox: ngl, I thought it was breading, like, breading chicken (the act of surrounding it with breadcrumbs)
avdg: The break between contests are long :p
AntiSquid: hm i should do more contests on other sites to fill the gap
schachmatt: what are some good other sites with contests?
orangesnowfox: same, I struggle to find them though
struct: The breaks are so long that I had to beta test
struct: Just so it lasts longer for me
Zenoscave: You could always do multis
avdg: hmm too many and less people show up I guess
MSmits: if it's just about practice, then multis are fine
Illedan: :wave:
MSmits: just set yourself a strict time limit
avdg: just a matter of letting economics work
Zenoscave: Hi Illedan
MSmits: hi
AntiSquid: no, it's about contests
avdg: supply demand
icecream17: if a cell has richness of 1, does the nutrient value descrease to 0 after completing a treecycle
MSmits: problem with contests on other sites is that they are not as convenient as CG
Zenoscave: richness is constant i believe
MSmits: yeah constant
icecream17: oh its nutrient value
AntiSquid: i take what i get, nothing is perfect
icecream17: i misread it oops
orangesnowfox: richness is constant or zeroed
MSmits: btw, is it true you can grow a tree multiple times a day and also complete it?
AntiSquid: we get lag and IDE reset here so :P
MSmits: so you start the day with a seed from the previous day, you grow it 3 times and complete, before the end of the day
orangesnowfox: MSmits, how would you do that? It goes dormant after the first interaction
Zenoscave: you can grow multiple different trees
orangesnowfox: ^
struct: no MSmits
Zenoscave: dormancy means one action per tree per day
MSmits: does it grow dormant with growth?
orangesnowfox: ye
struct: grow makes it dormant
MSmits: hmm i missed that
Zenoscave: any ation on any tree (a seed is a tree too)
MSmits: i thought just seeding did
avdg: 1 touch a tree, a day
avdg: max
AntiSquid: treehugging
Zenoscave: struct I think I've got most your meta figured
MSmits: where does it say growth makes it dormant?
Zenoscave: how to counter. No idea
Hjax: Any tree impacted by one of your actions becomes dormant for the rest of the day. A dormant tree cannot be the subject of an action.
struct: my meta?
avdg: just search the word in the description
Zenoscave: mhm
struct: I dont even know what my bot does
Zenoscave: I do
struct: Its just eval stuff and beam search
avdg: I have to adapt to the math yet
Zenoscave: Sweet. So adding some seed position stuff to a beam search and I can probably beat you
Zenoscave: Just give me 12 days
MSmits: ah found it
orangesnowfox: you have 9, lol
MSmits: Any tree impacted by one of your actions becomes dormant for the rest of the day. A dormant tree cannot be the subject of an action.
MSmits: i just read the bold stuff that is written about seeding
struct: MSmits but you can complete and seed that cell
struct: The cell doesnt become dormant, just the trees and seeds
avdg: interesting
Zenoscave: so complete ends tree but not turn?
MSmits: right but your opponent will see you complete it, so he can seed it too
Zenoscave: Ah only one complete per turn but at any time. misread
struct: yeah
MSmits: only one of anything per turn
avdg: place tree, chop tree next to it maybe
struct: Only wait changes round
MSmits: changes day
struct: that
struct: yeah
struct: I called it round
MSmits: i like the turns and days terminology
MSmits: it's most accurate
struct: yeah
orangesnowfox: my terms are:
turn, day, year :p
orangesnowfox: a year being 6 days
MSmits: makes sense
Zenoscave: or 24 ;)
avdg: subject and days
Asterixk: XD or a season
MSmits: year makes more sense since the sun goes round
avdg: uh maybe action and days
orangesnowfox: sorry, a year being 10 days, (base 6)
AntiSquid: damn warmed up food, forgot to eat
Zenoscave: At least you got the food... I missed that
orangesnowfox: fun fact, you can call any integer that is at least 2 "10"
Zenoscave: I also realized I had a doctors apmt 3 hours ago
Zenoscave: ... 4 hours ago
MSmits: you realize this at midnight AntiSquid?
avdg: waiting my last 10% before changing rank...
struct: How long ago did contest start?
MSmits: 9 hrs
struct: so 3 more hours
Zenoscave: 9 hrs in 3 min and 48s
icecream17: can you grow trees in wood 2?
struct: no
icecream17: it doesnt seem like it
Westicles: The russians are very quiet so far. Normally they are on about partisan game theory or whatnot by now
struct: only complete
icecream17: ok
avdg: you can in wood 1
MSmits: are you spying on the russians again
Astrobytes: The game doesn't quite fit into that category Westicles, at least not the way I see it
struct: 3 japanese in top 10
struct: damn
struct: top 5
MSmits: all temporary
Zenoscave: and 2 C#'s rek me currently
MSmits: these are mostly heuristic bots i think
orangesnowfox: I mean, it's what...8 am in Japan?
struct: only mine is permanent
avdg: Japan is very automated :-)
struct: :)
avdg: though still lots of paper too
MSmits: i wonder if you have a gold or legend bot struct
MSmits: it's for sure gold, but might not be legend
struct: I would say gold
struct: Im not even sure if its gold
Zenoscave: Think you'll place top3 ?
Astrobytes: I'm out, gn all, cya's tomorrow
MSmits: i am
struct: But I cant be sure
Hjax: cya astro
MSmits: gold is easy to get into
Zenoscave: gn
struct: No way Zenoscave
MSmits: gn Astrobytes
struct: gn astro
Zenoscave: top 20???
struct: top 50 max
Zenoscave: I mean with improvements. not curent
avdg: finally got into bronze
struct: I had so much troubles with eval
MSmits: with so many players participating, top 50 is very hard to get into
struct: it was not fun
orangesnowfox: Astrobytes, have good Astronights
AntiSquid: struct remove all restrictions from your bot
AntiSquid: see how far it gets
MSmits: it's nr 1 now lol
AntiSquid: but it's restricted
struct: well its capped at depth 20
struct: further doesnt mean better
Zenoscave: wait until it's 2nd and then immediately resub non-restrict
MSmits: probably not
MSmits: 20 is very high
Zenoscave: True
struct: depth 20 is turns not days
struct: just to be sure :)
AntiSquid: gotta hit next super sayajin level struct
MSmits: still quite high
struct: true
MSmits: 20 turns is probably 5-6 days
Zenoscave: That's like ~5-7 turns?
Zenoscave: *days
struct: maybe
Zenoscave: I'm in range to battle struct. lets see it lose...
MSmits: try not to say too much, I have already guessed what kind of search you have struct
Zenoscave: it being my bot ofc
struct: Also I my AI doesnt take into account that enemy can move
MSmits: well now i am sure :P
XeroOl: wait, the enemy can move?!?
struct: Ive already said MSmits
MSmits: ah ok
Zenoscave: Oh yeah I def need to consider that
orangesnowfox: wait, this isn't 2048????
MSmits: XeroOl yes, they are Ents
MSmits: if you seed the middle, it automatically gets named Treebeard
AntiSquid: but that doesn't mean beamsearch is best for this contest ... does it
struct: no
struct: As I said before I tested in the void
Zenoscave: probably not I'd think
struct: I had no real AIs to test against
MSmits: probably some variation of it is
Zenoscave: smitsimax miight do better here no?
struct: Only could test vs my AIs
MSmits: doubtful
Zenoscave: Or some variation of dual trees
MSmits: i already ruled it out myself
struct: Smitsimax is very hard to implement here
MSmits: because
MSmits: cells get blocked by opponent
struct: ^
Zenoscave: ah gotcha
MSmits: also different iterations give different sunpoint counts
MSmits: thats even worse
MSmits: because some actions wont be affordable
MSmits: and some will
struct: I have 4 algorithms that I tested
struct: or 3?
Zenoscave: Currently just a ply 0 sort here
MSmits: there's no reason you cant do some variation of BS though, some modified version
struct: yeah Ill try some BS 2 player variant
XeroOl: anybody have just heuristics with no actual algorithm?
orangesnowfox: I was just gonna try minimax and see how that turned out lol
Zenoscave: I bet heuristic pruning would also help
struct: yeah
MSmits: XeroOl almost everyone i think
struct: I dont prune at all
struct: I only prune on last turn
Zenoscave: minimax isn't quite applicible here orangesnowfox
MSmits: why would there be any point to pruning on the last turn
struct: you dont want to grow
struct: Its useless
orangesnowfox: Zenoscave, is it not? how about slightly modified?
MSmits: yes but you can just keep the highest scoring state and you dont need to even store the rest
MSmits: so it's not really pruning, since the tree ends
Zenoscave: That assumes turn based but not simulataneous
struct: yeah
Zenoscave: ^ orangesnowfox
orangesnowfox: "how about slightly modified"
struct: My eval wasnt very good
orangesnowfox: 2 ply
orangesnowfox: "require pairs of 2 ply"
Zenoscave: But who goes first?
Zenoscave: And how do you cancel moves that would intefere with opponent?
struct: who?
MSmits: even a 2 ply full search start lets you start with 100+ states
orangesnowfox: Okay, how about *heavily* modified, do your "turn" do their "turn" and then actually apply it
Zenoscave: Honestly just cartesian product the branches and do a beam search
MSmits: Zenoscave that gives you 100+ states to BS from
struct: There has been states that I had 80 actions in one turn
icecream17: oh yeah wood 1
Zenoscave: Yeah but I bet even 5 ply that'd do well
struct: you will need to prune
MerryMentat: Is there a way to get Console Input for debugging purposes?
Zenoscave: With pruning ofcourse
icecream17: no i just picked the tree that gives the most pts every time
struct: print to stderr MerryMentat
MerryMentat: Sure - I suppose that works.
icecream17: which, if you have 1 day, is the optimal strategy
MerryMentat: Lotsa copy pasting back out.
MerryMentat: Thanks!
MSmits: the fact that the game has trees and search algorithms have trees is going to cause some confusion
orangesnowfox: lol totally
struct: ah wait MerryMentat I didnt read properly, give me a sec
struct: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/53705/contest-tools-and-workflow/introduction
struct: Check that MerryMentat
MerryMentat: Will do - thanks!
orangesnowfox: Yeah, no, beam search sounds better here
Zenoscave: I'll probably finish sim and test a cartesian opp BS
Zenoscave: ... tomorrow
struct: What is cartesian opp Zenoscave?
Zenoscave: Product of states. |BranchBoth| = |BracnhMe| x |BranchOpp|
orangesnowfox: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Cartesian_Product_qtl1.svg/1200px-Cartesian_Product_qtl1.svg.png
ZarthaxX: BS?
ZarthaxX: bruteforce search?
Zenoscave: beam search
ZarthaxX: ah
AntiSquid: bullshit
ZarthaxX: you just said fancy words
ZarthaxX: :D
orangesnowfox: lol
orangesnowfox: Funny words, magic man
Zenoscave: all software is AntiSquid
icecream17: wow i just got the joke
icecream17: wow
AntiSquid: which one?
Zenoscave: the funny one
Zenoscave: yours ;)
struct: zeno you are quite high too
struct: nice
Zenoscave: A proper sim or better seeding would do wonders
XeroOl: implementing a search means I'll have to do the shadow code
Zenoscave: Thinking about being more agressive shadowing
XeroOl: which isn't hard, it would just be painful
LeviathanProgramming: yay I'm 12813th on the leaderboadr.
LeviathanProgramming: leaderboard
avdg: already got the shadow code, its not that hard
XeroOl: I'm at ~105
XeroOl: #1 for Lua lol
Vinay96: anyone else getting a bug in C#?
Zenoscave: no
XeroOl: What bug? Vinay96
Zenoscave: What's the bug you're seeing
Zenoscave: also thx struct forgot to say
Vinay96: "Warning: your code did not read all available input before printing an instruction, your outputs will not be synchronized with the game's turns and unexpected behaviour may occur."
avdg: less than 30 lines of code for shadow code
XeroOl: avdg are you doing a search?
Zenoscave: You forgot to do enough Console.ReadLine()'s
avdg: yeah but only once a turn a tree
struct: or you output more than 1 time per turn
Zenoscave: or that ^
Smelty: yes
yuusanlondon: hmm im yet to implement a search- not even sure how i'd go about doing that
Vinay96: the error goes away when i don't "Console.WriteLine($"GROW {number}"); "
Smelty: which ids have higher fertility?
avdg: 2 for loops, 2 if's
Zenoscave: 0 - 6
XeroOl: when are you writing the line? Vinay
yuusanlondon: evaluating the board seems difficult
Smelty: Vinay96: check if you outputed any other ones
XeroOl: you can only write WAIT or GROW or COMPLETE
XeroOl: you can't do more than one in one turn
Zenoscave: yuusanlondon you're doing well for it being difficult ;)
Vinay96: oh okay let me check
Smelty: which cellindex's have higher fertility :(
Zenoscave: 0-6
Smelty: ok
Zenoscave: smelty
Smelty: lol
Smelty: i thought u was responding to someone else the first time
Zenoscave: 80% of my losses are in the top 5
XeroOl: too bad you can't include unicode in the message
avdg: I need to add some smarter logics in my ai
avdg: it basically filters commands a bit and then pick a random one now
avdg: but I call it a day for now
yuusanlondon: Zenoscave haha thanks- my bot's had quite a few losses to you. Will look into and see what I can learn from them!
Zenoscave: or dont... I wanna keep winning ;)
yuusanlondon: :joy:
avdg: rip I'm the only one in my country using typescript
Smelty: :rofl:
Smelty: rip
Smelty: im using java :flushed:
avdg: gl
Smelty: so, teaching your bot to grow trees more often in fertile places is pretty good
avdg: and gn
Smelty: g n
ChrisJM: Will MiniMax modified for simultaneous actions have the same time-complexity as sequential actions? It seems 2 players making n moves will have the same number of outcomes regardless.
Smelty: umdy
struct: isnt it your actions * opponent actions?
icecream17: ooh yes. in the source code it seems you can add comments to your output. And the regex uses`\s.*` so any whitespace followed by any character
Smelty: hm
XeroOl: also, the during-day order of the actions matters
ChrisJM: That would be the same if you took n actions then they took n actions. n*n
XeroOl: whoever attempts to plant first wins
ChrisJM: I guess I mean 2 sequential turns have the same number of outcomes as a turn where both players act at the same time.
icecream17: no way! my suboptimal bot hasnt lost yet? a miracle!
icecream17: ok it just lost to #1 and #2. but im beating the boss
Zenoscave: does distance thrown for seed matter?
struct: no
Zenoscave: ok
Zenoscave: no sap cost difference?
MSmits: just dont throw it off the map
struct: nope
Zenoscave: how much does a seed cost then? Is it always 2?
Zenoscave: depending on the number you have planted right?
struct: min cost is 0
struct: popcount(trees[0])
Zenoscave: gotcha
AntiSquid: potato time
JP7: the cost to plant a seed is just the number of seeds you currently have planted, no?
struct: yes
JP7: :thumbsup:
Johnny_tec: lol
Johnny_tec: this reverse exercice
Zenoscave: how many losses do you have struct?
struct: 12/240
elderlybeginner: what's general strategy for the contest?
Zenoscave: more than I expected
JP7: dont lose
Zenoscave: Rn is all heuristic
JP7: generally winning is good plan too
Zenoscave: elderlybeginner plant early watch for shadow
elderlybeginner: that's the outcome, not the way
elderlybeginner: heuristics?
Zenoscave: mhm
Zenoscave: Only struct is using a search afaik
elderlybeginner: seems to me that the contest is going to go into minimax later on. I have no experience to make statements, thou
Zenoscave: not minimax. game state is simulataneous
Snef: does anyone have issues with viewer ? i have only grey screen
geio: nop
Zenoscave: use ff snef. chrome's been doing that
Snef: Zenoscave ok thanks
Zenoscave: yw
thomasgonda3: im also getting a grey screen on the player for this challenge specifically
AeroFufel: Got my 11th rank. I'm sure the big guys will come later, since mine expected to be waaaay lower.
Zenoscave: nice AeroFufel
Zenoscave: bah 39/40
Zenoscave: so close
Inc_: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/04e812e2-5a16-4e98-bb00-ec60d7b500cf
Smelty: finally finihsed optimizing, feeling good :) https://snipboard.io/r2ZJVq.jpg
Nerchio: :thumbsup:
Smelty: lel
Smelty: zeno rip
Zenoscave: hm?
Smelty: nothin
Smelty: *39/40*
Zenoscave: ah yeah
Smelty: lol
Smelty: omg no accidentally hit resubmit-
now ill have to wiat for it to go again augh
MACKEYTH: It's going a lot faster now in Bronze.
Smelty: wait is it only to bronze league or is there higher ones as well
Zenoscave: higher ones get released starting monday
MACKEYTH: Just Bronze for now.
Zenoscave: but the rules are the same. just stronger bots from opponents
Smelty: ahh
Smelty: i see
MACKEYTH: I wonder how strong the Bronze boss will be
Zenoscave: you'll be good for bronze->silver MACKEYTH
Zenoscave: never that high
Smelty: just waiting for my ranking to settle, then ill be in bronze
Smelty: -
Smelty: wel i just got promoted
JP7: nicenice
Smelty: edit:10 seconds
Smelty: also, ooo you can plant in bronze
ftpud: "You reached the limit of plays for a period of time." woops
Zenoscave: gotta let it cooldown ftpud
ftpud: that means it's time for a sleep :zzz:
JP7: reject rate limits
Smelty: ooof
JP7: embrace locally built game
TWW: the game visual section is just gray and empty for me... i've tried mutliple browsers
Zenoscave: there's something to do with graphic acceleration you can change but I can't remember...
JP7: all w/ hardware acceleration enabled?
Zenoscave: ^ this
TWW: at a site/account or browser level?
JP7: that is a browser setting
TWW: that did it, thanks!
JP7: awesome, happy to helo o7
JP7: *help
JP7: I english
fvla: What happens if you throw an uncaught exception in C++ here?
Theino: is there a timeline for silver league being released for the contest?
Zenoscave: monday
Theino: thx
cegprakash: any referee shared?
Zenoscave: just the official
cegprakash: link plz
Zenoscave: it's in the instructions
cegprakash: got it!
Zenoscave: https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2021/tree/main/starterAIs just in case
icecream17: dang a lot of people are claiming the trees at the end! that's smart
struct: I dont think so
Zenoscave: They're worth less points that way
icecream17: ... I don't see how big trees are worth less when claimed at the end vs the start
MACKEYTH: Nutrient bonus
icecream17: ohhh right
Smelty: yee in top 1000
hyphz: Yes lol my wood 2 program is 842 in bronze because it claims its trees ASAP
Smelty: xD
Smelty: yea claim asap is better
Smelty: i mean like itl cost less to grow up the next tree
Smelty: so
JP7: The reason you'dclaim at the end is likely because having trees up == sun sustain
MACKEYTH: Big trees are good sun producers, but you want to complete them ASAP for that sweet, sweet nutrient
MACKEYTH: That's one of the major balance axes in this challenge
fvla: nutrients are not only a finite resource, but also constantly decreasing
Smelty: yes, sweeeeeeeet nutrient
fvla: well, decreasing if your opponent claims them
Atatakakatta: it's all about the balance
Atatakakatta: hopefully your code can figure that out
Atatakakatta: my greedy strategy is getting me to the top 10% in Bronze but no further
Atatakakatta: you know what would be cool? having the winning program go up against a human
fvla: either i will figure it out or i will make a neural network figure it out
Smelty: trueeee
fvla: oh yeah, that sounds cool for this turn-based game
Smelty: made a bot that made my old bot, submitting, hoping for best lol
Atatakakatta: although if I tought my code how to throw a seed more than 1 hex it might help lol
Smelty: *beat my old bot
Smelty: atakakatta same lol
hyphz: I thought you'd actually written a bot for creating bots there
Atatakakatta: although that's not really what's hurting me, it's more balanced strategies and stupid timeouts I can't diagnose
Atatakakatta: where's our debugger?
icecream17: stderr for print debugging is there =)
fvla: download it and connect it all together
Smelty: p
Atatakakatta: time to print every variable huh?
Smelty: yep
Smelty: i currently print each possible reason for not passing an if
fvla: maybe mock up the game with your own implementation
MoMaT: the game description was written by someone with poor understanding of the Sun <-> Earth relation, or a flatearther.
MoMaT: the shadow angle doesn't change from day to day.
MoMaT: it changes from hour to hour.
fvla: precession, my friend
fvla: there is no such thing as night
fvla: eternal day
MoMaT: there is. you have no moves at night.
Zenoscave: MoMaT, or it's a game and they needed a dynamic to add to it
MoMaT: actually, the board games has expansion where there is moon and its phases.
Smelty: game between two similar versions between my bot currently o.O
Smelty: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/547371428
MoMaT: it would work perfectly fine if it is described as 4 days, and 6 day times: morning, afternnon, evening, etc.
Atatakakatta: maybe I had too much text debugging and that was causing the timeouts lol
MoMaT: and then it would not be wrong in astronomical terms...
Atatakakatta: I had that happen before in another coding challenge
Atatakakatta: I/O takes lots of time!
fvla: the tree upgrade cost function is really interesting
MACKEYTH: Yeah it does
Smelty: teaching my ai to plant towards center, hoping for best...
fvla: i/o is so expensive
Smelty: major success https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/547373527
Smelty: it likes the center now lol
MACKEYTH: Smelty - I found it easier to plant towards richer soil than to worry about actual position in the forest
MoMaT: also turns are not really turns but actions / moves. a turn is 1 of 6 parts of a day...
MoMaT: overall, this games seems to have complicated description bot not much of a breadth. I predict optimisation bonanza.
Smelty: yep thats what im doing kidna
Atatakakatta: the strategy is pretty simple really
Smelty: looking to plant towards more fertile areas
Atatakakatta: in a human sense at least
Smelty: top 10%
Atatakakatta: the main important decision is trying to decide how early to start harvesting
Atatakakatta: too early and you run out of resources, too late and you don't get enough points from each tree
Smelty: lmao i just dominated a whole match but then forgot to harvest
Smelty: rip
MACKEYTH: I'm trying to figure out how struct keeps beating me by 2 trees
Atatakakatta: at the very very top level, I suspect the shade and stuff will come into play
Atatakakatta: but that's like top 1% stuff
Atatakakatta: aha, I think I fixed it
Atatakakatta: fear me, top 10%
Smelty: lol im 152 rn
Atatakakatta: I was 167 and that was with a bug
Smelty: also, ive decided to shut down the trees after round 20
icecream17: 241, so technically i dont have to fear you
Atatakakatta: yeah I just added shutdown stuff too
Smelty: xD
Smelty: resubmitted hoping for best
Smelty: also, im surprised struct is 1st o.O
struct: I tested the game
Atatakakatta: lost my first battle after resubmitting and got knocked down to like 800 oof
Smelty: ah thats why struct
Smelty: struc = pro
struct: not only that
Smelty: bruv my current ai spams seeds
fvla: MoMaT, about "optimization bonanza," the description literally says the following:
"Two wood spirits have started to compete over which one is the most efficient."
Smelty: in a smart way, but like still
Smelty: yeeep
Smelty: also they have names
Atatakakatta: what decides who's #1 and who's #2? in the battles. Is it who's the favorite?
MoMaT: true, but I like more a competition on strategic level, that is which spirit is more creative...
fvla: if you want strategy, then get to the top!
Smelty: Red=Tororo and Blue=Ghilbib :))
icecream17: oh yeah i tested against smelty and this happened: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/547380538
Smelty: hmm
Smelty: my newest submit or not
Atatakakatta: you can always revert
icecream17: newest
fvla: I thought Blue Wood 2 boss was Tororo, Smelty
MoMaT: I'm afraid there will be no strategy in this game, just efficiency...
fvla: there is strategy
Smelty: OOF CLOSE MATCH
NotSureWhyThisWorks: can you make multiple actions per turn? I find the wording slightly confusing
icecream17: i wonder how search works when 2 players play at the same time
fvla: you have to compete for fertile soil
icecream17: that's another great user username
Bashar: how can i see the CoC leaderboards?
Smelty: fvla look at the gameplay before you test in ide
Smelty: the like background thing
Smelty: with the challenge logo on it
icecream17: notsurewhy - you can play 1 each turn, but multiple times in a day
fvla: Smelty, you're right about about that
Smelty: icecream17 tbh I think i'm doing good for using if/else
fvla: But I don't know if it's canon
NotSureWhyThisWorks: how come it says "as long as you have enough sun points, you can take any number of actions" Kind of misleading then
Smelty: xD
Hjax: NotSureWhyThisWorks you can make any number of actions per day as long as you have enough sun points
Hjax: not per turn
fvla: my garbage bot is actually ~600 rn
KelvinAndHubbles: I mean, trees become dormant and everything, so it's technically an action till it's not
Smelty: oh i havent optimized my algorithm.....i forgot that you can have seeds from plants that aint level 3
fvla: ...why do tildes become dashes?
Smelty: hmmst
icecream17: huh? my submit did worse???
NotSureWhyThisWorks: Thanks Hjax
icecream17: oh wait 45% nvm
Atatakakatta: @smelty yeah that'll help a lot >_>
MoMaT: @fvla, I'm happy to talk to you again next Monday, when people describe their bots. I bet there would be very little difference between best eval functions. And no tricks, no tactical play, no outsmarting the opponent... It's just not "unleashe the geek"-style of competiotion...
Smelty: lololololol
MACKEYTH: fvla: char relaxer
Smelty: and yet im in the 200s without it
struct: Guess I wont submit until gold opens to see if my bot gets there
icecream17: btw, whoever asked above, the leaderboard is at https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2021/leaderboard/global
Atatakakatta: @momat I think pure optimization will get you very close to the top, true
Atatakakatta: but not all the way there
fvla: ^
icecream17: or click "back" topleft then "leaderboard"tab
Wontonimo: how would optimization NOT get you to the top?
fvla: you have to play competitively if you want to edge out the best players
Atatakakatta: because there's another player? the shade mechanic?
fvla: remember, seed collisions
Smelty: jo wpmtpmo,p
davilla: how are seed collisions resolved?
fvla: and you have to play around opponent shade too, that's true
Atatakakatta: seed collisions are zero-sum really
Smelty: *hi wontonimo
Atatakakatta: but shade isn't
fvla: read the doc
fvla: for seed collisions
davilla: I can't, I'm not there yet
struct: seed collisions make the trees dormant
struct: nothing else
Wontonimo: *hi Smelty
fvla: seed collisions zero-sum???
icecream17: aw i was about to type a worse explanation
Smelty: hi wontonimo
Atatakakatta: @fvla sure, why not? both players lose the same amount
Wontonimo: hey hey Smelty
Smelty: protip: test against ur last submission before submitting
Smelty: lol
Atatakakatta: I guess it hurts you a bit less if you're already ahead
Smelty: currently around 300, feeling good
davilla: everything is zero sum in a zero sum game
icecream17: i wonder if a dormant tree can throw seeds
Atatakakatta: I guess zero-sum wasn't the right term
icecream17: because if it can... then... infinite loop
Atatakakatta: I meant, affects both players similarly
Atatakakatta: not really something you can take advantage of
davilla: "fair"
Wontonimo: i have just an if/then bot and stuck at 550. tomorrow i may start on my simulation bot
Atatakakatta: my if-then bot is in the top 200!
Atatakakatta: AI is overrated
icecream17: ok, i'm pretty sure my new bot is worse (somehow)
Wontonimo: cool Atatakakatta ! That's pretty good.
itzluku: what leagues are u guys?
struct: is my AI if else?
struct: maybe
Smelty: realized i wrote 50 useless lines of code for planting next to urself
MACKEYTH: My current bot isn't doing any sim. You can get a long way on if-then
Smelty: wellllll my ai is if/else
Smelty: o
itzluku: wait bronze is max ?
Atatakakatta: for now, yes
struct: for now
itzluku: so i am #79 of all ?
struct: heuristics can be nice to use it as the opponent
icecream17: ooh, an ai that predicts what the opponent will do!
icecream17: too bad i never actually successfully made an ai
struct: I dont predict enemy atm
MoMaT: you don't need AI, min-max is already "predicting" the opponent.
itzluku: 41.43
itzluku: what does that mean
icecream17: how would minmax work if the oppoentn and you play at the same time
MoMaT: but if you do deeper search then you can run separate move logic different than your own (faster, simpler) for the opponent.
Wontonimo: icecream17 it really isn't a problem. just jig the rules to handle collisions
Smelty: bruv my trees are planting in sub-optimal places
Atatakakatta: oh, blame the trees will you
Smelty: sad noise
fvla: icecream17 it means you might need RPS or attrition force at some times
MoMaT: it doesn't matter if it's simultaneous or not, before you make tour own move, you take it into account.
fvla: simultaneity *does* matter
Smelty: eeeeee
fvla: it introduces imperfect information
MoMaT: not for applying minimax, the principle remains the same.
fvla: might not matter much for most, but it makes a difference
icecream17: ok, here's an idea
icecream17: each turn, take all move i have * all move opp has
Wontonimo: https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=minimax+simultaneous+moves
Smelty: yes
icecream17: then...
icecream17: uh
fvla: that is where you have to get creative
fvla: branching factor there is far too high
MoMaT: only when your move is made not effective bu the opponents move. which us I think only one case. all the others are not interacting.
Atatakakatta: just make a decision tree for the whole game, shouldn't be too hard, right?
Atatakakatta: am I the only one that read the part about shade
struct: Atatakakatta game state is too big
Wontonimo: don't throw shade here
Smelty: shade is a thing
Smelty: but like i just ignore it lol
fvla: imagine if the gold boss does shade optimizations
Wontonimo: struct i think Atata was joking (i hope)
Smelty: lMAo
MoMaT: thx @Wontonimo, saves time :P
icecream17: if only I could trick the game into sending all possible actions just randomly in the middle of my turn so i wouldn't have to calculate it
Atatakakatta: oh of course I'm not actually -using- shade
davilla: a nondeterministic game where you win in at least one version of reality? too easy
Atatakakatta: but theoretically it does make it a competitive game and not just a pure optimization problem
Smelty: yes finally fixed the glithces
Smelty: now...submiT
Wontonimo: so, does shade stack? if there are two size 2 trees in a row, does only the first tree cast shade?
Smelty: shade does not
Smelty: stack
struct: it does
Smelty: like in real life
Smelty: wait what
Smelty: ok
Smelty: ignore me
**Smelty sobs in corner
struct: like in real life aswell
Rag: xd
Smelty: true didnt account for holes in trees lol
struct: I mean the shade :p
Atatakakatta: all trees cast shadows
Wontonimo: lol
MoMaT: you can score shade as you score anything else. surely the gold boss will do that. it's only a question of how far ahead it will look.
Atatakakatta: but they don't "stack"
aangairbender: are the forest settings always the same? I mean grid size and richness positions? (high quality in the center, low quality on the sides)
davilla: except in real life the second full tree would get a smidge of light
Atatakakatta: at least in bronze league, it seems like the general pattern is the same but there are random 0 spots
icecream17: it's quite silly that the forest creatures are scared of shadows.
Smelty: yes davilla
Wontonimo: i dont believe it davilla , trees block 100% up to their height because sun is always at 45 degrees
TheRadical: In Spring Challange 2021 the game does not render for me its just a grey rectangle. I am using chrome 90 on ubuntu 18
Smelty: wot
MoMaT: install Firefox.
Smelty: ah yes that problem again
TheRadical: other games work does anyone have something similar?
struct: TheRadical try disabling and enabling hardware accelaration
Smelty: bruv howd struc get 56.60
Atatakakatta: being good
Smelty: meanwhile im stuck at 36
Atatakakatta: beating everyone
struct: http://cgstats.magusgeek.com/app/spring-challenge-2021/struct
Atatakakatta: honestly I'm shocked my code is doing as well as it is
Atatakakatta: it's reallllly simple
Smelty: o.O
davilla: aangairbender your icon looks like you're trying to solve the challenge on a square grid :-P
XeroOl: how do I make my code better please thanks?
Smelty: dangit the playernotfound error again-
Smelty: XeroOl account for higher nutrients in the center
Atatakakatta: just implement a neural network
XeroOl: I know, I am
Smelty: i mean, you dont need simulation, my if/else gets me to 215 in bronze
davilla: I've been stuck for a while now on "your code did not read all available input"
Smelty: davilla lol
Wontonimo: XeroOl first make worse code, them making it better is easier
Atatakakatta: @davilla don't mess with the starting code
Smelty: reset code, see which inputs are missing
MoMaT: @Atatakakatta, just wait a few days, and you will see your true rank. the competition barely started.
XeroOl: @wontonimo genius
MoMaT: it doesn't really matter what your rank is now...
Smelty: wontonimo lol
XeroOl: I'm 168
Smelty: in bronze?
XeroOl: practically the best in the whole competetion
XeroOl: yeah bronze
Smelty: ah then i am of no help to you
XeroOl: I'm probably going to try to hardcode an opening strategy
Atatakakatta: well I'm 160 and I just beat you
Atatakakatta: so there
davilla: if I could just read all available input, I'm sure I could win this thing...
Smelty: LOL
XeroOl: noo!!!
Atatakakatta: you know starting positions are randomized right?
XeroOl: yeah I know
Smelty: yep they arre
XeroOl: but you start with 2 trees
XeroOl: so the first 3 days should be pretty much the same
Smelty: @xero why do you put suboptimal planting positions at the beginning
Smelty: like in the light green no the green
XeroOl: what do you mean?
XeroOl: is there a way you can link a specific game to me?
Majeck: Hi, are the cells at the start always given in order (0, 1, 2, 3, ..., 36)?
Smelty: u win in this match, but you start by planting in the light green: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/547391785
Atatakakatta: looks like there's a "share" button in the player @xero
XeroOl: @Majeck yes
Majeck: Thanks XeroOl!
Smelty: yes majeck starting with the middle
XeroOl: I found the atatakakatta vs XeroOl match
itzluku: anyone tryed backtracking ?
Smelty: and spiraling out, therefore 0-6 is the best
itzluku: how much time do we have to make a move
XeroOl: I need to plant less plants
XeroOl: so I can sell more at the end
Smelty: xero lol
XeroOl: that's what I'll do
Smelty: also, i dont lose to xero by that much, just like 10 points
Atatakakatta: 100ms @itzluku
XeroOl: in that game, the reason it doesn't go straight to green is because the tree is too small to reach the greenx
itzluku: @Atatakakatta ty
Atatakakatta: says at the bottom of the description
itzluku: guys add rock paper scissors to your wait move
itzluku: xd
XeroOl: I want to hardcode it to start by jumping straight into green
XeroOl: I already like what my wait messages say
itzluku: what
davilla: "wait for you..."
Majeck: I used "n" as an iterator for neighbours I feel dirty
Atatakakatta: oh yeah, Xero, your strategy is too conservative
Atatakakatta: I take all the nutrients from you >_>
davilla: you mean as an iterator for neigh? :-P
XeroOl: yeah, I don't have an actual AI
Atatakakatta: I don't either
XeroOl: you know I have just a collection of if statements, righjt
Smelty: chat active today xD
XeroOl: this whole thing is a miserable pile of code
Atatakakatta: but I have super-greedy strategy compared to your super-boomy strategy
XeroOl: I'm #1 in the lua category
XeroOl: because I'm using the worst language ever, Lua
davilla: first AND last, xeroOl?
Rag: lol im using php so...
XeroOl: @davilla lmao
XeroOl: I'm going to hardcode the first couple turns to be more optimal looking
Atatakakatta: I'm first in C++ in USA
Atatakakatta: lol
XeroOl: oh yeah, checking by region too
struct: XeroOI sorry to tell you but you are not 1st in lua :(
XeroOl: oh I was earlier
Wontonimo: I'm first when I type my name in the search !
struct: im first.
davilla: I'm #2 in a 25-foot radius around my house
icecream17: i have no idea why my code plays different with player 1 vs player 2
XeroOl: oh lmao did you port to Lua? @struct
Kuraishi: Starting sun location
XeroOl: am I misreading this?
struct: no im not
struct: Zorg 1 is 1st in lua
XeroOl: nooooooo
struct: I meant im first as in first
XeroOl: yeah
Wontonimo: good night everyone! It's great to be in a competition. See you all tomorrow
struct: gn
geio: well is there extra point if we get first place in a specific language
XeroOl: yeah, I need to just port to Dlang at the last second
struct: there is an achievement I think
geio: oh
XeroOl: that achievement is my purpose in life
davilla: you may be contacted by a Lua recruiter :-P
geio: 1 person is using clojure :p
struct: Since I always use C++ I will never get that achievement
XeroOl: hired directly by roblox or something lol
XeroOl: I think roblox uses lua? I have no idea
XeroOl: nobody uses lua
davilla: even people who use Lua are hiring C++ winners I'm guessing
XeroOl: lmao
XeroOl: tbh if I werent' using lua I'd be using kotlin or c++
geio: new plan change my code into bash :p
Smelty: xD
davilla: ha yeah! go for the shortest code in legend
MACKEYTH: Shudder
itzluku: why do we have to wait 3 days :x
XeroOl: bash code would just be:
echo "my cpp here" > "file.cpp"
gcc file.cpp
./a.out
XeroOl: well, g++ but you get the idea
davilla: so we don't become disillusioned by struct already being legend
struct: my bot is not legend level
struct: mid gold at best
davilla: in that case, I don't know
ashikujjaman: is there any prize for this contest?
struct: tshirt for top 20
MACKEYTH: IDK struct. If Legend was open RN you'd be #1 in it
XeroOl: lmao I made a change and now I have 2 points
struct: + art work for top 3
KelvinAndHubbles: anyone have weird shadow rogue printing problems, or is just my defective code
mojojojo: can you observe the leader battles?
Smelty: the struggle to take the center: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/547402658
Smelty: mojojojo yes
Smelty: go to leaderboard
ashikujjaman: did you use any algo for bronze?
Smelty: if/else
ashikujjaman: struct?
itzluku: how did u play against yourself xd
struct: yes?
mojojojo: Leaderboard just links me to the profiles of the users and not the battles :/
Smelty: there should be a view last battles
icecream17: oh, i was adding sun and points
ashikujjaman: struct, did you use any algo (AI)?
icecream17: i thought there were view last battles?
Smelty: yep thats what i thought
struct: yes, I tested the contest, thats why im first atm
mojojojo: if anyone knows where the option to view last battles is, let me know
icecream17: i know
Smelty: go to the contest
Smelty: dont go to ide
Smelty: and scroll down
Smelty: there should be a top 1
Smelty: *10
Rag: when we getting bronze boss??
Smelty: click on leagues
Smelty: itll show
Smelty: 5/10
icecream17: oh i though nutrient went down by 1 each turn! i keep misreading
itzluku: after 5/10 open end no more time barrier?
itzluku: not open end but u know what i mean
mojojojo: got it Smelty, thank you!
MACKEYTH: You're not kidding about going for the center, Smelty
MACKEYTH: https://www.codingame.com/replay/547404734
itzluku: that center clip was funny haha
Smelty: lol mackeyth
Smelty: it refuses to give up
Smelty: also that was an older algorithm current one is even more agressive
struct: you are valuing sun points too much Smelty
struct: https://www.codingame.com/replay/547409525
Smelty: yea...
Smelty: hey icecream17 https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/547410337
Smelty: let's goooo not last place: https://snipboard.io/YeCTNf.jpg
davilla: dammit, I just got promoted to bronze
davilla: and it still says my code did not read all available input before printing an instruction
Smelty: davilla i got into bronze with if/else
Smelty: lol
Smelty: maybe you printed solution before some reading input?
XeroOl: you can only take one action each turn
XeroOl: turns != days
davilla: but I am... I've been staring at this for an hour
Smelty: collectivised farms go brrr https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/547412708
XeroOl: share code maybe?
Smelty: davilla what language
XeroOl: this could be one of those forgetting to read the newline things
Smelty: ye
davilla: time for the nuclear option
Rag: If you output multiple things on a loop it will also give you that problem
Smelty: try comparing the amount of reading to the resetted one
davilla: yeah I've got that one pulled up
Smelty: i love center farms https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/547412708
davilla: but now bronze, so I guess I'll have to reload it
Smelty: yep
Smelty: i didnt reload in bronze and was fine
Smelty: soooooo
davilla: no? oh OK I thought it might change
davilla: everything I do is in python, I'm a devotee
Smelty: hmm okay
davilla: Church of the Snake
NotSureWhyThisWorks: why does the forest guy keep saying "expected value = 22" https://www.codingame.com/replay/547409854
billygoat2233: who knows how to code a pornhub game?
Smelty: my ai's goal seems to be the center
Smelty: billygoat2233 the. WHAT
Smelty: * a what
billygoat2233: lol
davilla: autocorrect?
Smelty: also notsurewhythisworks is because he told it to say that
Smelty: lololl
icecream17: you can add comments (undocumented)
Smelty: yep
icecream17: <regular output> <comment>
NotSureWhyThisWorks: ooh how do you do that?
icecream17: Tada!
icecream17: note the space
Smelty: when i grow i tree i say :success, growing mister tree
when i kill tree i say: success, killing mister tree
when i wait, i say: error404, treenotfound
rwilson: #2 in Debugging tips
NotSureWhyThisWorks: and the words? lol
XeroOl: can you put comments on non-WAIT messages?
Smelty: just put it after
Smelty: in like " "
Smelty: xero yes
XeroOl: oh fun
XeroOl: the stub code only mentioned comments on the "WAIT"
Smelty: i use it for partial debugging
NotSureWhyThisWorks: time for some trolling
Smelty: also YAY 171
Smelty: : 157
NotSureWhyThisWorks: taunting my opponent
jrke: oh so we are back in bronze
Smelty: yep jrke
Smelty: xeroOl xD https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/547420376
orangesnowfox: So, is there a better algo for richness than the one that generates 6 asm instructions?
Smelty: dominating the middle is fun
davilla: if the winning bot doesn't say "grow 0 mother sucker" I'm going to be disappointed
Smelty: ive won every single battle so far except the first: https://snipboard.io/0txEDg.jpg
Smelty: nvm lost the 29th
davilla: or better yet, what a Ukrainian colleague used to say: "mother father!"
NotSureWhyThisWorks: how long does promotion take?
Smelty: some leagues instant
Smelty: some a minute
Smelty: some an hour
Smelty: *every hour
NotSureWhyThisWorks: hmm
ashikujjaman: when the silver league will be opened?
fvla: click on the league button in the top left
jrke: 10th may
fvla: shhhh
fvla: don't tell him
fvla: gotta learn the UI
ashikujjaman: fvla you are right
fvla: also may 10th is wrong lol
davilla: earlier today is also wrong, but it's not untrue
fvla: someone a bit back told me that i look a bit suspicious because i never changed my profile picture
fvla: so i finally changed it. don't remember who you are, but i hope you're happy
JP7: lmfao
JP7: thats glorious
orangesnowfox: ... Trees... Trees take up _exactly_ 9 bits (well, technically *slightly* less, because there aren't 64 cells, but still)
fvla: ...9 bits???
orangesnowfox: 5 for the index, 2 for the growth level, 1 for if you own it or not, 1 for if it's dormant or not
XeroOl: my trees take up at least 24 bytes lol
orangesnowfox: lol wot? why
XeroOl: because I'm writing this in lua
orangesnowfox: ah
fvla: F
XeroOl: actually more, because they're doubles, not floats
XeroOl: so at least 32 bytes
orangesnowfox: my currently take 4, because I haven't bit boarded them yet...
Oh, trees are unique in position
XeroOl: if not more
orangesnowfox: doubles?
orangesnowfox: wat
XeroOl: lua doesn't have ints
fvla: wtf, how do you use floats for trees???
orangesnowfox: ... oh
fvla: huh
XeroOl: so any numbers are just floats with whole number values
orangesnowfox: fvla, not the data structure, the entity
fvla: you can probably pack then?
XeroOl: don't use lua
fvla: pack multiple trees into one float
fvla: orangesnowfox i know
orangesnowfox: Oh, if I have an array of 37 they take up exactly one byte, this pleases me
orangesnowfox: ... But then lookups are longer
orangesnowfox: bleh
Atatakakatta: how much of bronze league is going to get promoted anyway? anyone know?
fvla: b i t b o a r d s
fvla: probably hundreds, if not over a thousand
orangesnowfox: Also, lol, not exactly 1 byte, exactly 5 bits... (2 for size, 1 for mine, 1 for dormant, 1 for "exists")
fvla: why are you concerned with size?
orangesnowfox: "because that's what I do" lol
fvla: if you look at chess engines, they don't pack optimally for size
fvla: they pack optimally for manipulation speed
orangesnowfox: Yes...
fvla: bit shifttttttttttt
orangesnowfox: yeee
phord: Hm. Advanced two leagues without resubmitting. Does my bot keep playing in the new league after I advance?
fvla: I think so?
orangesnowfox: yes phord, it goes back down to 0% as if you just submitted it
phord: :thumbsup_tone3:
phord: Well, shit. Now the rules changed again. lol
orangesnowfox: Bronze now?
orangesnowfox: They'll stop doing that
LLG: is there any way to get small sized bitboards in c#?
orangesnowfox: I mean, I do my bitboarding via integers, so
orangesnowfox: probably? although, integer promotion is going to be a pain for you
_Lupus_: Are the shadows not updated during the day? So if I grow a tree during the day, is it true that this tree does NOT cast a shadow until the sun moves?
orangesnowfox: Why not check? :p
Hjax: _Lupus_ it doesnt matter, because you only get sun points when the sun moves
_Lupus_: How? From the animation it looks like shadows are only updated when a day passes
Hjax: thats when you get sun points
_Lupus_: Thanks Hjax, you are right. I had the board game rules in mind where you cannot grow a tree if it is shaded
Hjax: ah interesting, i didnt know that was a rule in the board game
_Lupus_: It's an optional rule. To make the game more interesting :)
davilla: this is based on a board game?
_Lupus_: @davilla: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/218603/photosynthesis
orangesnowfox: and, fvla, while I do *try* to make my types as small as possible, I definitely try to avoid "silly slow things"
fvla: I see
davilla: wow cool, project alpha girl is almost believably enthusiastic, almost
Majeck: Can you do more than one action per "turn"?
Majeck: "As long as you have enough sun points, you can take any number of actions. "
Majeck: Nevermind haha
XeroOl: it's not per "turn"
XeroOl: you have to do one action per "turn"
XeroOl: but you can do more than one in a day
Majeck: Thanks!
XeroOl: the day ends once you say "WAIT"
XeroOl: so you can keep spending points all you want, or you can skip to the next day with a "WAIT"
XeroOl: but you have to read in all the stuff every turn
Majeck: What happens if I never say "WAIT"?
XeroOl: at some point, when you don't have enough points, WAIT will be your only valid action
XeroOl: or if all the trees become dormant
Majeck: Perfect
XeroOl: Hopefully that makes sense
Majeck: It does, thanks!
Smelty: go rank 100
Smelty: *llets go
icecream17: :O first 10 games were all wins
phord: I'm in the sweet part of the simulation: when the code is all logical and fat. But I keep imagining the optimization I'll need to do later where everything becomes a bit mask. :scream:
phord: It's going to be a shit show, I can feel it.
icecream17: so i added something. when i only have enough time to upgrade all my trees, i cant waste any of it planting some more
phord: Time limit? Oh, 24 days.
Atatakakatta: 24 in bronze at least, I think the description implied it might change?
orangesnowfox: They'll probably only change it if there's a balance change
MACKEYTH: Huh. I think I actually may have done something useful with shade.
orangesnowfox: mm?
MACKEYTH: Hard to tell }:/
orangesnowfox: what thing?
phord: Ah, and there's also the 1000/100ms time limits.
e-boot: normally the rules don't change after bronze
icecream17: I want to plant seeds but i also want to upgrade !!! So the only way forward is to implement search
MACKEYTH: Trying to base grow/complete decisions on whether or not the tree will be shaded next turn.
Jodelfogel: does "number_of_possible_actions" include my opoonents actions as well, or solely mine?
icecream17: only yours
orangesnowfox: solely yours
Smelty: completely update my algo, gained 5 ranks ;-;
orangesnowfox: well, yeah, other people got better too :p
Jodelfogel: alrite, thank you
KelvinAndHubbles: better then changing your algo and then losing ranks :/
Smelty: lol
icecream17: smelty absolutely demolishes me even though i'm only around 70 places behind
MACKEYTH: Kudos for the funny messages Wrathzog
Smelty: xD
Smelty: when ur in the top 10%, competition gets fierce
e-boot: If it's a 5->1, it's all good
icecream17: ok. i got it. seed early to get the good spots and upgrade as much as possible
icecream17: although in the first few turns maybe upgrade to get some seed range
pluto-de: ok noob question so sorry in advance: why can't I see the game window? All I get is a gray screen. I disabled all the extensions that could break a site, perhaps I need to switch off Firefox?
davilla: known issue
Atatakakatta: Firefox works fine for me
pluto-de: fix?
davilla: close down your browser
pluto-de: ahh the classic "alt+f4 method"
davilla: yeah... something was mentioned about hardware acceleration too if that doesn't work
davilla: off and on again
phord: Shadow remains the same until the next day, even after turn where a tree is COMPLETEd or GROWn, right?
oggdestroy: I have the same version of chrome on one computer as another but only one has the issue. I just opened it in edge
_Lupus_: @phord: correct. If you have the board game rules in mind like I did before, forget them :D
davilla: as I understand it, that's inconsequential as sun points are only earned at beginning
phord: So, order of actions doesn't matter except for SEED, and there it matters because we race with opp.
_Lupus_: Here shadow is only important when the sun moves (because that is when you get income)
Jodelfogel: does the server instantly recalculate new "possible actions " if i print my move then immediately after scanf the possible actions, would it be refreshed?, or do i have to wait for one game loop to finish? (sorry im super noob)
_Lupus_: So it is ok to only update the shadow then
Smelty: tbh i kinda forgot what some of my variables do
davilla: wouldn't completing trees also be a race, for nutrition value?
Smelty: hmm
davilla: nutrient*
_Lupus_: @Jodelfogel: possible actions are immediately updated next turn
phord: Oh, yeah. "Complete a lifecycle".
Smelty: o-oh my
icecream17: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/547491263 ooh cworld record for closest game!
Smelty: meh i had ties in the 130s before lol
Atatakakatta: I mean, I had a tie on points just recently
Smelty: but...wow
Smelty: sighs...struc still demolishes me 100%
actualCoderTrevor: My bot's not even good enough to face him
Smelty: rippp
itzluku: is there a way to challenge top10 bots
Smelty: just go to ide u can test vs him there
Smelty: u can see that you can delete players and replace them with others
icecream17: 156!??
Smelty: ?
icecream17: how is the yellow bar so colorful
actualCoderTrevor: Oh really?
Smelty: lol
icecream17: struc vs me: 156 to 91
Smelty: u didnt use some variables?
Smelty: dangggg
actualCoderTrevor: Oh cool!
Smelty: pro we noob
Smelty: *struc pro
itzluku: was ~#70 soem hours ago, now i tryed sth more complex and im out of top100 xD
icecream17: although struc's eloskill is 56.76 and im at skill 38.66
Smelty: not sure if enemies better or ur was worse
itzluku: hm yeh
Smelty: eee just submitted a new code with (what i hope are) funnier comments
itzluku: still processing 46% 230 now
Smelty: o.o
itzluku: lets so how far i get
itzluku: see*
icecream17: struc is really getting that sun
Smelty: processing 12%, 622
Smelty: icecream i once ended with 300 sun
Smelty: xD
itzluku: 65% 180
itzluku: Oo
Smelty: curently processed 20%, 190
itzluku: nice
icecream17: 169! - world record pts by struc
Smelty: oh ye icecream my bot keeps winning by like 2
Smelty: WOW
Smelty: *20
itzluku: jesus i'm getting crushed
icecream17: https://www.codingame.com/replay/547495292
Smelty: o.O
Smelty: w-whos rickrolling
icecream17: shhh
Smelty: ooooooooook
Smelty: bruv i keep beating you by just 20
Smelty: i want a higher margin lol
Smelty: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/547496084
Smelty: 57% processed, 100
Smelty: tbh i spend the first hour each multiplayer bot game tryan figure out a bot that can actually play without breaking any rules
nascent: this is open for 11 days?
nascent: I guess this site is for people who don't have jobs? lol
Smelty: lol
karliso: It is not clear to me if my own shadow spooks me as well. From rules it seems like yes, but from replays it seems like no.
XeroOl: Is it worth changing my code from a bunch of if statements to an actual algorithm that plans ahead?
XeroOl: @karliso, your own shadow does spook you
vchapman: if you want to move into silver/gold + you will likely have to do an algo.
Smelty: Lol
XeroOl: not on the same tree, but if you have two adjacent trees, they can shade eachother
XeroOl: oh no I have to write real code
Smelty: XeroOl not sure man, im doing pretty good with if/else
XeroOl: instead of if statements in lua
Smelty: oog
Smelty: *oof
XeroOl: search tree algorithms in lua :)
Smelty: i swear im going to spend days building a simulation bot and then discover that it consistently loses against my if/else bot
XeroOl: if/else bot gang
Majeck: I actually really like this challenge
XeroOl: yeah, at first I was very scare
XeroOl: but you actually don't have to do hexagonal pathfinding
Smelty: omg my code broke now it doesnt know how to plant
Smelty: bruv
XeroOl: lmao I've done that
Smelty: but i dont even know why TwT
karliso: XeroOl https://www.codingame.com/replay/547499643
XeroOl: now it's too scared to plant because it doesn't think it has enough sun for the end
Smelty: lolol
karliso: Oh.
Smelty: OOF 173
karliso: I forgot that lesser trees don't shadow larger trees.
Smelty: idk but this is so dum
Majeck: Compared to Potions if/else and simple algos look really viable on this one
Majeck: Potions basically forced you to use minmax or some sort of search
Smelty: j,,
Smelty: hmm ye
Majeck: I mean I'm confident my tiny if/else bot will at least make it to silver lol
Majeck: In Potions it was a fight against getting 5k or more sims lol
Smelty: bruhhhhh i dont even know what half of my variables r doing
Smelty: i have 0 organizational skills
XeroOl: lmao
XeroOl: You're using java though right?
XeroOl: any code written in java is automatically overorganized
Smelty: uep
Smelty: lol
XeroOl: you should see my lua lol
XeroOl: lua lets you use global variables
Smelty: problem is, even with the organization, idk what im doing
XeroOl: want to trade codes? :)
Smelty: hmmmmmst
Smelty: olol
XeroOl: I'd love to be free from lua right about now
Smelty: just crashsed code
Smelty: now it doesnt read all inputs before printing
Zenoscave: The switch langs
Zenoscave: then*
Smelty: uuugh
XeroOl: but, switch to what?
Smelty: xD
Smelty: java
Zenoscave: Whatever you want.
Smelty: java if/else gang
XeroOl: but, i don't know
Zenoscave: or just start a new fresh bot
Zenoscave: in lua.
Smelty: *thinks*
Zenoscave: It's early enough to scrap a bot and not be behind
Zenoscave: Learn from your errors and make a better ine
Zenoscave: *one
XeroOl: I've heard the word "beam search" in the chat earlier
XeroOl: maybe I should make a beam search in lua
Zenoscave: Probably a lot
Zenoscave: Yeah that'll preform horribly
Smelty: hmm
ZarthaxX: lol
ZarthaxX: nice night memes
ZarthaxX: :D
Zenoscave: is it lua or luajit
XeroOl: not luajit
XeroOl: I wish
Smelty: lol
Zenoscave: Yeah beam search will fail you then
XeroOl: it's lua 5.3
XeroOl: If it were luajit I'd be goldent
XeroOl: I know how to write luajit code well
XeroOl: you just write it like you would write c code
XeroOl: but with lua syntax
XeroOl: maybe I should just use c++ lol
Smelty: r i p
XeroOl: I really really want to use a crappy language though
Zenoscave: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/154672/what-can-i-do-to-increase-the-performance-of-a-lua-program
Zenoscave: What's the first thing to avoid on the topmost accepted answer
Zenoscave: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/a785b9ce-d910-4c0a-a209-5eac64d93933
XeroOl: lmao
fvla: I almost started writing my bot in Python
XeroOl: I have an if else bot right now
XeroOl: not a beam search bot
XeroOl: performance means nothing
fvla: but then I had a stroke when I considered making a structure in Python
fvla: so I switched to C++
Smelty: landslide victory: https://snipboard.io/Zv4hcD.jpg
fvla: static typing ftw!
XeroOl: ^
XeroOl: good point
XeroOl: maybe I'll switch to D
eulerscheZahl: oh, chat works again on chromium
XeroOl: I've heard that can have good performance lol
Zenoscave: Until you're in day 7 and have so many f/else clauses you can't make changes and performance is too hard to squeeze out of it to add a beam search
XeroOl: I've been on chromium the whole time
XeroOl: did chat stop working?
Zenoscave: moin eulerscheZahl
fvla: How is F#? Anyone experienced?
XeroOl: nope! I know its functional
Zenoscave: ML derivative with .NET bindings
XeroOl: oh right, F# is .NET
Zenoscave: hence the #
eulerscheZahl: oh, I dropped out of top 1000 over night :rofl:
fvla: I see
ZarthaxX: eulerscheZahl shame
eulerscheZahl: time to attack you Zenoscave
Zenoscave: has that ever happened before?
Zenoscave: PLEASE NO
XeroOl: just add more ifs and elses
eulerscheZahl: i don't think so
oddrationale: What I like about F# is that it is "functional-first". But you can fall back to OOP if/when needed.
Zenoscave: I am enjoying top 10 and top 2 c# :(
eulerscheZahl: also: relax, will take a bit to climb 1400 spots
Zenoscave: Good time to write a sim
XeroOl: I wish codingame added nim
eulerscheZahl: and somehow I have a horrible smell in my rom
ZarthaxX: toad has gases
eulerscheZahl: as if a mouse died somewhere but I can't find one
ZarthaxX: sheez
XeroOl: nim is really good for writing messy code really quickly that magically is fast
ZarthaxX: disgusting
Zenoscave: Do you need batteries?
eulerscheZahl: drives me nuts
Zenoscave: wait not that kind of mouse
eulerscheZahl: once my cat brought a mouse in which escaped below my bed to die there
eulerscheZahl: but i checked that already
eulerscheZahl: and looking behind the cupboards is more work
XeroOl: smh there's no starter bot in D
Zenoscave: do you have a mouse problem often euler?
eulerscheZahl: no
eulerscheZahl: my cat got old now
ZarthaxX: just clean the floor
ZarthaxX: :thinking:
eulerscheZahl: you are not my mom
ZarthaxX: it was just a suggestion
ZarthaxX: :P
XeroOl: ouch you can't encode a tree in 8 bits
ZarthaxX: f
Smelty: f
eulerscheZahl: "Players gain an extra 1 point for every 3 sun points they have at the end of the game."
eulerscheZahl: so: 2 suns = 0 points; 3 suns = 1 point?
DaNinja: odd, my code gets reset to default every time I open the contest from the compete page
DaNinja: changing languages restores it
ZarthaxX: eulerscheZahl shouldwork like that
DaNinja: known bug?
eulerscheZahl: can't find it in the referee
Zenoscave: yes it works like that.
Atatakakatta: going to make my code sliiiightly less greedy
Zenoscave: bonusSCore
Zenoscave: bonusScore *
Atatakakatta: let's see how it goes~
Atatakakatta: starting at 173
eulerscheZahl: oh, there it is https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2021/blob/517645b1b41879f41a03d852abdf2cddb4be73b8/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Game.java#L708
Zenoscave: What would you do for a beam search data structure? I always forget.
eulerscheZahl: trees also give points?
https://github.com/CodinGame/SpringChallenge2021/blob/517645b1b41879f41a03d852abdf2cddb4be73b8/src/main/java/com/codingame/game/Game.java#L718-L719
Smelty: hm
eulerscheZahl: i just use hashsets and sort at the end of each layer
Zenoscave: That's news to me
eulerscheZahl: you could use a priority queue
Zenoscave: the trees
eulerscheZahl: but C# doesn't have one in the .net library
ZarthaxX: data structure beam search?
Zenoscave: I have to dig up that Fast Priority queue for c# again don't i
eulerscheZahl: oh wait, that tree part is the tie breaker if scores are the same otherwise
Zenoscave: Oh yeah that sounds right
eulerscheZahl: when the code i read is enclosed by an if, maybe i should read that as well
eulerscheZahl: enough chatting, I have a leaderboard to climb
ZarthaxX: gl :)
Zenoscave: gl hf ;)
Zenoscave: but not too good of luck
ZarthaxX: good lie? :P
ZarthaxX: nvm
Atatakakatta: almost top 100!
Atatakakatta: I just need to teach my trees how to throw seeds longer
Smelty: i am 107
icecream17: oh yeah watch out for this submit
Hjax: well i spent today messing around with bitboards and ended up largely unhappy with what i made
ZarthaxX: :rofl:
ZarthaxX: sad
Hjax: i can represent the game fine, its just working with the game state thats obnoxious
Smelty: f
icecream17: i beat!!!... someone who has the bronze boss as the profile picture
Smelty: :rofl:
ZarthaxX: ah you will get around that Hjax :)
Hjax: or ill scrap it
ZarthaxX: throw it?
Hjax: maybe
Hjax: so if youre bitboarding this game, you need different bitboards for each size tree
ZarthaxX: if you are not enjoying contest you should
Hjax: so iterating over your trees, to make planting decisions for instance
ZarthaxX: yup, makes sense
Atatakakatta: oh boy, #72
Hjax: is ugly
Atatakakatta: this is intense
ZarthaxX: true true
ZarthaxX: it gets annoying
Hjax: im just not sure of a better way to represent state if i want
Hjax: to be able to do a search later
ZarthaxX: me neither, i would do bitboards
ZarthaxX: :(
Atatakakatta: #31
Atatakakatta: this is probably my all-time peak
Smelty: :0
Atatakakatta: my code is so simple lol
XeroOl: what is a bitboard? I've never heard that term
Atatakakatta: you really don't need anything complex
Smelty: me: #89 peak
lainislain: halo, is there any chance the game could stop for some reason other than the 24 days rule of players error ?
Atatakakatta: no
icecream17: most people in the top 100 arent searching i bet
Atatakakatta: it either lasts 24 days or ends via timeout
_Lupus_: @lainislain if players don't take their action in time
lainislain: thanks
Hjax: sure, but they will be in 11 days
XeroOl: I'm doing some searching right now
Smelty: OMG BWAT SOMEONE WITH 177
XeroOl: I'm rewriting all my code in a real language
XeroOl: that isn't lua
XeroOl: and I want to write a search
XeroOl: but it's hard, because I don't know how much I should consider the enemy to be adversarial
XeroOl: it's kind of weird
XeroOl: this isn't the kind of problem that needs mcts
XeroOl: at least I don't feel like it is
icecream17: if youre opponent is me, then consider afversaryness to be 0
Atatakakatta: like I said before, just optimization will probably get you into the top 1%
Atatakakatta: to win? better start casting those shadows~
XeroOl: yeah I already did if statements, and I'm done
XeroOl: I don't want to think about if statements anymore
zhenghaha: it's time for lunch
icecream17: my code is a mess, wonder how future me will get search to work
KCrown: it's day 1 by the time silver opens up again you'll need to be search
Smelty: oooof
XeroOl: it's time to search now
XeroOl: if you want to be ahead
Atatakakatta: what do we mean by "search"? search for solutions?
icecream17: ill probably get to silver though - im in the top 100
XeroOl: do you want to be at the top of silver the moment it opens up?
Kitt66: i need help
