jrke: when will spring challenge start any exact time released?
grrlic: 2 am utc
orangesnowfox: *pm
davilla: *2022
KiwiTae: spiralpinata now you know
jacek: in codegolf questions it says the codesize in the ide
Manchi_o6o7: if someone can explain me the mistake here
Manchi_o6o7: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/92360cd8-4aac-4b3f-aa41-6381f248272d
KiwiTae: is your compiler screaming?
Manchi_o6o7: line 12
davilla: man I've never seen a function signature that whacky
Manchi_o6o7: why
MadKnight: Automaton2000 whyyyy?
davilla: cause I never made it as far in c as you have
Automaton2000: but no idea how to make custom keybinds for the editor's vim modes. i would like
Passifi: so I found a pseudo code to the greedy tower problem and just implemented it but it still seems not to work properly would anyone look at my solution and maybe point out the mistake :) basic test cases work fine but the more involved ones fail
Passifi: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/0bd07c01-4036-4a77-adbd-b2640e470319
pmor: @Passifi If I had to guess, I would say its due to removing of elements in the for loop.
pmor: erasing messes up the iterator, so you need to do something like it = edges.erase(it);
Passifi: oh I struggled with that before but I thought setting the iterator one back should fix it. it keeps it from crashing at the very least ^^
pmor: yeah...can't do that when you modify the list. it++ and it-- are invalid
pmor: the other way to do it is to avoid the for loop entirely and use std::remove_if
Passifi: hmm i see well maybe I just try doing it without iterators then I tried a number of things but usually that let to segmentation faults
Passifi: meddling with the iterators just seems to lead to headaches ^^
MadKnight: what are u guys discussing ?
MadKnight: Automaton2000 imagine actually reading old chat messages
Automaton2000: but i am not a good way to learn programming
Passifi: My implementation of a piece of pseudo code the paste bin should still be up there. Apparently iterators are my new bane :upside_down:
pmor: If it was me, I would have used std::remove_if. If you want to use the for loop, you will need to change it as well. You will need to remove the it++ from the loop and put it as the else to your if statement
MadKnight: Passifi i feel like c++ is not your thing
MadKnight: i mean not in the way it sounds
pmor: He's trying to remove elements from a vector within a loop
Passifi: I didn't know about remove_if btw so I might give that a try
Passifi: thanks for the input btw
MadKnight: i mean.... if u became a fan of iterators then u should certainly try c# which is like c++ but with more cool stuff like iterators
RoboStac: the return value from erase can also be used (it returns a valid iterator pointing to the next element) but you'd need to change the loop slightly or it'll skip things
MadKnight: i think u are gonna love c# Passifi
pmor: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/ba27bfce-7231-4542-8520-c90846343414
jacek: c#sb?
pmor: your forloop should look like that
MadKnight: ignore those trolls Automaton2000
Automaton2000: or i might have to do with it
tibithegreat: for the spring challenge, it says it starts may 6 at 5pm. What timezone is that tho?
GiovanniDe: you're the CSS to my HTML
MadKnight: it's either Paris or EST which is like +0
RoboStac: CG times are always french (CEST at the moment)
tibithegreat: ok, thanks
Passifi: hmm yeah that actually gives the same results ^^ maybe I am still missing something about that pseudo code I have to dig in a little more this problem just cost me all my youth and energy :upside_down: I thought if I just take some pseudo code from the world of academy it had to work ^^
MadKnight: Passifi u gotta try C#
MadKnight: come to the dark side
Passifi: anyways last question for the native speakers here does "remove every incident on either v or u " mean remove all the incidents on v or u or does it mean choice on of them and remove all those incidents ? I wasn't clear about that
Passifi: I use c# for unity :P
MadKnight: it wouldn't be clear in any language
Passifi: but nothing has the regal aura of c++ ;)
RoboStac: yeah, I think your code before is technically undefined but probably would give the correct results due to how vector iterators are implemented
MadKnight: well basically it sounds like - remove all from either v or u
RoboStac: always better to check that it isn't hitting some weird edge case though
MadKnight: Passifi c# is pretty close to c++
MadKnight: Passifi also the iterators go against the c++ aura
jacek: hm?
MadKnight: wait can u repeat the problem Passifi?
MadKnight: i just came and i dunno
Passifi: the actual problem is this
Passifi: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/battle-tower
MadKnight: nonono i mean your problem with your code
Passifi: and i implemented it like that
Passifi: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/f5fced41-9f85-4937-8c31-799ae98a072f
MadKnight: and what's the problem ?
Passifi: the code works ( also fast enough) but the results are of so I was wondering whether I implemented the pseudo code corretly or whether the solution I found just doesn't apply here ^^
Passifi: with this problem every idea I have breaks some other testcase and I am starting to have vietnam flashbacks :pensive:
MadKnight: just gimme the full code
Passifi: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/0b5a615d-7797-4afc-afd0-e9ab85a0114f
andrefpoliveira: Teh contest starts at 15pm GMT?
andrefpoliveira: The*
andrefpoliveira: 3pm*
MadKnight: Passifi so at which test case is it not doing well ?
Passifi: starts to fail at medium 2 test case 6
tibithegreat: I don't think your greedy works
tibithegreat: from your comment i also see that it's a APROXMATION-vertex-cover
tibithegreat: it probably gives a decent result on large graphs on which computing the actual vertex cover is impossible
tibithegreat: if i remember correctly the vertex cover is a NP problem on general graphs
tibithegreat: but this is not a general graph :)
tibithegreat: 1. All cells are interconnected by corridors.
2. There is no loop between the cells and no self-loop in any cell.
tibithegreat: Hint: those 2 conditions are really important
Passifi: hmmm okay that makes sense I had a hunch this might be the problem since the bad test cases return smaller number then expected. Well its back to the drawing board then but thanks to everyone for the input :)
MadKnight: Passifi i kinda feel like maybe u didn't implement the puzzles rules correctly
tibithegreat: hmm if your result is smaller than there is probably a bug in your code
MadKnight: i can send u some code in DM Passifi
KalamariKing: Send it here
tibithegreat: it should be higher
MadKnight: so i DM'ed u Passifi
KalamariKing: It will turn into a link if its more than 5 lines
MadKnight: more than 4 *
MadKnight: ............
KalamariKing: Yeah that
tibithegreat: because you're algo seems to find a valid vertex cover
Passifi: I seem to have problems with wrapping my head around graph problems in general, this does not feel like a medium puzzle to me ^^
tibithegreat: just not the valid one
tibithegreat: sorry
tibithegreat: the optimal one
MadKnight: u just haven't seen the hard ones Passifi
tibithegreat: i'll give you another hint: those 2 conditions mean the graph is a tree
tibithegreat: and every tree is a bipartite graph
MadKnight: Automaton2000 imagine not knowing what's a bipartite graph
Automaton2000: has been banned by madknight.
MadKnight: so true....
Scarfield: xD
MadKnight: Automaton2000 2017 was soo nice...
Automaton2000: i dont mind either way
KalamariKing: gm everyone
KalamariKing: how's life
MadKnight: hihi
MadKnight: u ready for the contest ?
gigolo: :heart_eyes_cat:
Cryptonian: f off
Cryptonian: everyone
KalamariKing: MadKnight not at all
KalamariKing: Cryptonian what was that for?
jacek: oO
MadKnight: KalamariKing good enough
KalamariKing: MadKnight I've hardly done any bot programming and even that I sucked at :/
gigolo: Automaton2000 Cryptonian is ur friend ?
Automaton2000: im trying to get it to work
KalamariKing: You got this
MadKnight: don't worry KalamariKing just join and rek everyone
MadKnight: at least jacek
KalamariKing: lmao watch me get below a newbie
KalamariKing: got a lot of reading to do today :|
MadKnight: what reading ?
raiz_rizon: no lets play code
raiz_rizon: :grimacing:
MadKnight: Automaton2000 how do u play code
Automaton2000: i think i'm going to be very good at it
MadKnight: Automaton2000 pls
Automaton2000: do you know the name
gigolo:
Automaton2000 i know
Automaton2000: so i will have to think about it
KalamariKing: Reading as in just reading up on things like genetic algorithms, bot programming, etc
KalamariKing: I know nothing of decision trees and more than likely that's going to be a part of it
MadKnight: KalamariKing just go with if()s
MadKnight: people are managing to reach top gold with just if()s
KalamariKing: Wait really?
MadKnight: ye just ask uljahn
MadKnight: hmmm he's not here
KalamariKing: This'll be my first contest so you might have to explain some things
MadKnight: just play a few of the older contests
KalamariKing: All the ones I've checked are closed... the ones that aren't have another name, right?
KalamariKing: I just forgot that name
GeorgiD: Does clash of code work for you guys?
KalamariKing: I think it just went down
KalamariKing: My solution is stuck on pending
GeorgiD: Yeah it just counts down and doesn't load
KalamariKing: Would any of the 13 online mods like to help
jacek: ahh pre-contest crash eh
MadKnight: KalamariKing they're all in here
https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming
gigolo: what about a weekly contest with 5 or 4 problems from clash of code :p
raiz_rizon: yes
KalamariKing: Oh that's them?
MadKnight: yep
KalamariKing: Oh thanks
KalamariKing: Which would you suggest, if any
MadKnight: the cooking one maybe?
raiz_rizon: no im ineed Work
MadKnight: if u want some ifs
raiz_rizon: wait
KalamariKing: Wait what
MadKnight: code a la mode
KalamariKing: epic
MadKnight: did u find it ?
raiz_rizon: STOPPP !:rage:
Philbot: what's going on
jacek: ?
MadKnight: guys don't spam
KalamariKing: Stop what raiz_rizon
Philbot: why is raiz angry
KalamariKing: idk
Sirlamb: has clash stopped working
KalamariKing: Yeah
Sirlamb: :(
hades70: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1733456686e0c2eac91b33d93aca07fceb3c039
KalamariKing: CoC might be back, or at least something happened
KalamariKing: 3 past clashes just ended at the same time
gigolo: :nerd:
_CtrlAltDel_: working
raiz_rizon: working for game :joy:
KalamariKing: raiz_rizon you good?
raiz_rizon: yes im good
KalamariKing: epic
MadKnight: raiz_rizon well and how old are u ?
lastshamp: :poop:
raiz_rizon: im raiz my brother rizon
MadKnight: oh no Automaton2000
KalamariKing: There seems to be an influx of young programmers now that the contest is tomorrow
Automaton2000: do you take into account the fact that i can use my csb starter
raiz_rizon: waittttttttttttttttt
raiz_rizon: not tumormor
KalamariKing: what are you saying raiz_rizon
raiz_rizon: im kiding
MadKnight: raiz_rizon u can get banned if u keep going like that
MadKnight: Automaton2000 is ruthless
raiz_rizon: ok
Automaton2000: it's a game of checkers, on a 8x8 board
KalamariKing: The contest? Or smth else?
raiz_rizon: 8x8 ok
raiz_rizon: yes
MadKnight: KalamariKing he wasn't making a point
KalamariKing: Oh
KalamariKing: Then what is the 8x8 about
MadKnight: dude that's a bot, he generates random messages
raiz_rizon: yes and making game
KalamariKing: I thought so but how
MadKnight: raiz_rizon pls
MadKnight: stop not making sense
KalamariKing: lmao
raiz_rizon: sorry
KalamariKing: raiz_rizon is your mother tongue not English?
MadKnight: Automaton2000 let's start banning people for not making sense for too long
Automaton2000: but it's not like i have the same distance to the center of the map
MadKnight: KalamariKing i'd say he's just young
MadKnight: very
KalamariKing: That was my next question
raiz_rizon: no im Englis
KalamariKing: Bc a translator would spell correctly
raiz_rizon: no
raiz_rizon: im in indo
raiz_rizon: sorry
KalamariKing: bruv
MadKnight: KalamariKing let's just discuss some bots
KalamariKing: sounds better than raiz
KalamariKing: What exactly IS Automaton2000
Automaton2000: but my bot isn't good enough to do that xd
raiz_rizon: my dad is Englis
MadKnight: there's a puzzle on how to create your own Automaton2000
Automaton2000: well i mean the one in the middle of nowhere
KalamariKing: Oh really? I'm checking that out
raiz_rizon: no
MadKnight: noone wanted to know that raiz_rizon
KalamariKing: Does it use a list of messages or chain words together or smth, or is it generated from a nn or smth?
MadKnight: more like a chain
raiz_rizon: im :sweat_smile:
KalamariKing: Huh
KalamariKing: Where are the words from?
raiz_rizon: indo
MadKnight: from like 5 years of chat history
raiz_rizon: no im 7 yers
MadKnight: raiz_rizon cmon, just stop
KalamariKing: I thought he talked a lot like this chat
MadKnight: KalamariKing there's also a russian version on #ru
KalamariKing: raiz_rizon we're no longer discussing your ineptitude
KalamariKing: You speak russian?
MadKnight: ye
MadKnight: ofc i do, i'm from russia
raiz_rizon: im no join guys
raiz_rizon: :rage::rage::rage:
KalamariKing: Oh sick
MadKnight: Automaton2000 let's just ban this raiz_rizon guy
Automaton2000: could the validators in the repo not have been in a convenient format ffs...
KalamariKing: Wait can Automaton2000 ban people?
Automaton2000: because you have a job
MadKnight: would be perfect if he could....
KalamariKing: Wait you're a mod! I never realised that
raiz_rizon: lets play code
raiz_rizon: yes
MadKnight: KalamariKing this chat is overly filled with raiz_rizon's let's go talk in DM
KalamariKing: Ye
MadKnight: can't handle it
raiz_rizon: STOPPPP IM NO JOIN IM :rage:
raiz_rizon: my no name
raiz_rizon: imin no my name
Uljahn: u good?
Penguin12463: yum
Whatar: :robot:
JormaWuorio: Can someone help me with coders strike back?
Whatar: Automaton2000 help Jorma pls
Automaton2000: oh, that was a bit more
JormaWuorio: I really dont get how to input further than the first checkpoints co-ordinates
Philbot: raiz is acting crazy
Philbot: are there no mods in this chat?
Whatar: noone other than Automaton2000
Automaton2000: thats not even me lol
Whatar: true
KalamariKing: Automaton2000 is a bot, he can't ban
Automaton2000: if u are doing it for a puzzle
KalamariKing: Supposedly there are 13 online mods rn
Whatar: Automaton2000 can't ban today, but what about the future?
Automaton2000: i wanted to know if my bot would be a nice feature
KalamariKing: Hopefully, that would be so helpful
Astrobytes: Yeah. Some of us are - you know - working.
KalamariKing: Ok, JormaWuorio what did you need?
Astrobytes: If there is an issue, ping a mod.
JormaWuorio: Talking about it with gigolo already thanks! :)
KalamariKing: Yeah but we don't wanna disrupt you, because yk, you're working
Astrobytes: We don't just sit here staring at the chat waiting for things to go wrong.
KalamariKing: Ok gl
Astrobytes: Fine. Well, you're getting no further help from me.
KalamariKing: What oh I was talking to jorma
KalamariKing: We just wanted this raiz_rizon kid to stop spamming
Whatar: anyway guys, are you excited for the new contest?
Astrobytes: You were with Mad Knight...
KalamariKing: This'll be my first, so yeah
Whatar: I am excited too, I got bored during the last one and I did stop at bronze, but I want gold with this one
Whatar: the problem is, every contest the people I know in the real world aren't willing to play with me
Whatar: rip me I guess
KalamariKing: Yeah same lol
Whatar: "escape" is another matter though, I was able to get a couple of friends in a game and we had fun
KalamariKing: Oh lucky
Philbot: what was the last one like that made it boring
Whatar: well being another time alone in the contest and this time the contest itself was a bit weird
Philbot: and why was it weird
Whatar: mmh, it's hard for me to express what I didn't like, en is not my primary language, let's say that I prefer the ai that can move and interact with the environment and eachother
Mo0nke: I have never coded before, I don't even know what my objective is. I'm so confused. I don't even know what half the words mean.
Whatar: just start with the simpler puzzles
Philbot: the optimal solution wasn't obvious?
Whatar: what do you mean?
KalamariKing: Mo0nke You could (a) find a tutorial online or (b) just throw yourself into onboarding or smth and google stuff
Philbot: i wonder how many felt the same way as you did
Whatar: AutomatonNN are you here?
MadKnight: AutomatonNN don't tell him
KalamariKing: Wait what happened to your--
KalamariKing: weren't you--
KalamariKing: weren't you mod
JormaWuorio: Is it possible to beat the boss without the boost when boost is first accessible?
JLukeSkywalker: for what puzzle Jorma?
JLukeSkywalker: CSB yes
JormaWuorio: Yeah csb
JormaWuorio: Dont know which one it is but its not far from the beginning
JLukeSkywalker: i think you can get to gold without boosting
JormaWuorio: oh wow
JormaWuorio: Im in the wood league
JLukeSkywalker: it def helps tho
JLukeSkywalker: i think i just did an if dist > someVal boost
JormaWuorio: if next_checkpoint_angle > 90 or next_checkpoint_angle < -90:
thrust = 0
works but if i add next_checkpoint_dist == 600 and to the front of it, it stops working
Nezinau: you can only boost once, so make sure you add that
JormaWuorio: I kinda would like to save that since its only once a day
JormaWuorio: Gotta go brb
KalamariKing: I got some questions, if anyone uses nns for the bot battles
KalamariKing: How exactly do you train it?
struct: offline
KalamariKing: And then you give it the trained network, yeah
KalamariKing: But where does the data come from for training then?
struct: https://github.com/pb4git/Nash-DQN-CSB-Article
DomiKo: KalamariKing you just create data
Tiramon: for my oware nn i just let play multiple networks agains each other
and sometimes seed it with some state it doesn't learn itself
TobiasA: hi
Omar3433: Hi who work with bash ?
Omar3433: i need a help
Tiramon: why don't you just ask your question? then anybody can decide if it is to complex for him to answer or not ...
TobiasA: that never gets old:joy:
B-612: hi
Tiramon: 'who works with bash' could mean anything from how does a if work to how do i write a nn with bash ...
eulerscheZahl: http://how-to-properly-ask-a-question.surge.sh/
it's (3) again
Tiramon: uuh i like that link ;)
TobiasA: i knew you would show up :joy:
Alshock: hm aint it 2 first?
eulerscheZahl: and i usually ignore those questions as i don't want to get myself into something without knowing what I agree to
Alshock: oh it's 1 sory, I mix them up
Tiramon: it's 1 for sure
eulerscheZahl: yesterday I had a 4.
how does pow work in python?
oh it's **
B-612: is anybody know how can write regex functions ? (handwrite functions for homework) i couldnt found anycode
Tiramon: yes i do ... stil this doesn't help you anything ;)
https://regex101.com/ is a nice site to test your regex anyway
B-612: I need regex functions :'/ how to distruct regex
B-612: how its works union functions
eulerscheZahl: what does "distruct" even mean?
Tiramon: feels like a 2 ...
Tiramon: with translation problems ...
eulerscheZahl: oh, you are close to bingo already
Tiramon: oh ask questions properly bingo ... nice idea ;)
Astrobytes: I must've had a full house so many times I'm too bitter to play anymore
Philbot: you should play yatzee instead
Philbot: decide what numbers to keep or reroll
Astrobytes: Hm. Interesting idea
eulerscheZahl: ah, Kniffel
Astrobytes: You should have called your dice game 3D Würfelspiel eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: not many would understand that
eulerscheZahl: and Dice Duel is such a nice alliteration
Marchete: euler in C# there is no way to have a fixed array like in C++, right?
Astrobytes: Fair points
Marchete: without new []
eulerscheZahl: there is stackalloc
eulerscheZahl: not sure what that does behind the scenes
Marchete: stackallow is more for internal var on functions, no?
eulerscheZahl: yes
Marchete: not like for a struct{ byte[16] var;}
Marchete: this is overly complex in C#
eulerscheZahl: no, i don't that that would work with stackalloc
Marchete: ok
eulerscheZahl: also make sure to start your questions to me with "eulerscheZahl how" or "eulerscheZahl why"
Marchete: why
eulerscheZahl: not that AutomatonNN is gone
eulerscheZahl: now*
Adarshk990: how can i get editorial of a particular question?
Astrobytes: lol
Marchete: ahh :D
Marchete: I don't want to be rude
eulerscheZahl: there are no editorials
eulerscheZahl: just other solutions
Marchete: I just "left" the question there
Marchete: without pinging
eulerscheZahl: and post mortems for contests (but not for single player puzzles)
Adarshk990: how can i access other solutions?
eulerscheZahl: have you solved it already?
Adarshk990: not all test cases
RoboStac: check the discussion button as well, there are often hints on the forum
eulerscheZahl: then you can't access it
Adarshk990: okay
eulerscheZahl: and listen to robo
eulerscheZahl: robo also lost the mod badge after the server restart?
Astrobytes: robo was far too quick with that response, I am losing my touch
eulerscheZahl: you have to switch to Dvorak
Astrobytes: Uljahn too
Astrobytes: re. mod badge
eulerscheZahl: i know about toothless and clawless Uljahn
RoboStac: hmm, has it restarted again?
RoboStac: I'm sure I checked and still had it
Astrobytes: Not sure. MK seems to have gained it again and a few others seem to have lost it.
KalamariKing: MadKnight was mod for a bit, idk about now tho
KalamariKing: is Automaton2000 down?
Automaton2000: i hate you so much
eulerscheZahl: sadly no
KalamariKing: wow ok guess not
Alshock: xD Automaton2000 is a hater
Automaton2000: that's why you have to download the json
KalamariKing: Ok normally I would just ask, I've gotten used to that
KalamariKing: But this time I'm asking before I ask because I have a LOT of questions and need to ensure y'all are ready
Astrobytes: We've won the question lottery.
Philbot: Automaton2000
Automaton2000: it's not an easy task
KalamariKing: So is anyone at least a little bit versed in NNs in cg bot battles, AND have a lot of patience for the onslaught of questions I got lined up
Philbot: KalamariKing
KalamariKing: How do you train it? Like where does the data come from? I assume its done offline, but then how do you get the data from the game to train the bot?
Uljahn: KalamariKing: i guess you should make your own research for helpful hints on the forum first
KalamariKing: Probably
KalamariKing: I've done a little but
KalamariKing: bit*
Astrobytes: Did you actually read the Nash-DQN CSB article that s truct linked earlier?
KalamariKing: Yeah
Astrobytes: And there are forum resources.
Astrobytes: And there is a chat history.
VizGhar: + If you are not yet familliar with searching algorithms (bsf, dfs, beam, mcts) and optimization ones (GA, SA) don't even think of NNs...
Philbot: how often are NNs used in contests
VizGhar: From reading post mortems very rarely
Philbot: figures
VizGhar: correct me if im wrong
VizGhar: Philbot 2
VizGhar: satisfied? :)
Philbot: doesn't look like the type of site
Astrobytes: Usually the case that they're used more often (and more successfully) in multis. Time limit etc
RoboStac: it's also much easier to have success in turn based board games whereas the contests tend to be a bit more complicated
Tiramon: it takes quite some time to setup an nn and tune it correctly
and in the end train it correctly
don't think there was a successfull nn in the last contests
VizGhar: but I haven't seen post mortem that mentioned NN (didn't read that much of them to be hones)
RoboStac: the only successful NN in a contest I'm aware of was in bitrunner
VizGhar: Tira... moderator? I've never seen you before :D
Uljahn: there was one NN during LoCaM marathon by Zuko3D
Astrobytes: Yeah, re curse did a good job with his BR, and I remember the locam one too - note, both long contests
Uljahn: exactly
VizGhar: See Philbot ^^ 2 :D
VizGhar: Just don't try it during this contest if you are not familliar with it...
KalamariKing: Yeah ik
KalamariKing: I wanna start with multis
Uljahn: there are two ways to get the data: by playing games offline with your own bots (you'll have to recreate game engine i.e. simulation) or fetch game replays from CG through API
RoboStac: yeah, I guess it depends how you consider succesful - I think there are a few (still probably <10) that got to legend in contests, but didn't really challenge for the top spots
Astrobytes: Yes, true
VizGhar: But I believe, with enough time, NN's should perform exceptionally well right?
Tiramon: only if you set it up right and train it right and don't overfit it .and ... and .. and
RoboStac: the time / space / power constraints make it unlikely they'll take over everything
VizGhar: yeah that overfitting looks like scarriest part
Westicles: It would be interesting to see an overview of all the multis and how different approaches/algorithms tier out
Tiramon: it's not only the algo you use
it's also language and performance and so much more
Tiramon: also just knowledge how to tweak the language you are using
VizGhar: I'd like to see some poll for legends only - what algorithm have you used
Tiramon: i could rewrite my java bots in any of the c languages and i'm pretty sure i won't get them perform as good as my java code
Astrobytes: And experience in order to tweak the algo to your benefit, an alphabeta in tric tracs hands for instance is far more formidable than in mine
Westicles: Sure, only a small number of people would be qualified to write it
VizGhar: And how can you learn it all? just trial and error while working on different bots?
Astrobytes: Combined with some research yeah
VizGhar: Not that I'm trying to jump into it right now :) I need to get better in what I already know
VizGhar: the research papers are a little bit scarry too :)
RoboStac: looking at contest postmortems to see what was successful and then trying that approach is a good way (as you know a good implementation of that algorithm will work for that game)
Tiramon: someone said here not long ago ... invest 10k hours into coding
and that's not that wrong ... that's about 5 years of work experience ;)
VizGhar: But it's more like my focus
Tiramon: so experiment and try to improve ;)
Astrobytes: Yeah, expanding on robos reply, that way you focus on one algorithm/approach at a time and can focus yourself on it and research thoroughly
Astrobytes: *properly focus on researching it thoroughly
VizGhar: :thumbsup: right thanks... Will see how far will I get during this contest
Astrobytes: For me the immersion technique works, just eat sleep and breathe whatever you're learning until you get a handle on it.
Astrobytes: Your mileage may vary ofc
TobiasA: .
TobiasA: Astrobytes do you use an external ide?
gigolo: is it possible to add validators than the number of test cases
gigolo: *more than
Astrobytes: TobiasA: Yes, Visual Studio
TobiasA: even for contests?
Astrobytes: Especially for contests.
Astrobytes: puzzles I sometimes do in the CG IDE, and tweaking parameters I usually do in the CG IDE
Tiramon: i think i only do some easy puzzles in the on site ide
TobiasA: is it better than using the default ide?
TobiasA: am i the only one that doesn't know how to use an external ide?
Astrobytes: Well, the CG IDE is a lot better than it used to be, but debugging-wise it's a lot easier, and managing large amounts of code is a lot easier
Tiramon: Just use your local ide and write all in one file and use
http://www.codingame.com/forum/t/cg-local/10359
Tiramon: or use a tool to merge your multi file solution into one file managed by cg local
Tiramon: i wrote myself a tool to merge my multi file java solutions in a way that cg can handle
https://github.com/tiramon/CGFileMerge
Astrobytes: Hmm. Shameless self promotion.
/Ban :P
Tiramon: no just explaining how i write my code locally and source for him to use or get inspired by
Astrobytes: I'm only joking lol
gigolo: :joy:
JoKing: did you ping me on purpose?
Tiramon: bad name choice ...
JoKing: seems dumb to autoping without any checks
Tiramon: it just makes a simple no casesensitive string comparison
Tiramon: so yes naming your self like words used in common communication isn't a good idea in this chat ;)
Astrobytes: Tell that to my alt account 'Question'
ZarthaxX: OH mine is Answer
gigolo: lol
ZarthaxX: Astrostion
Astrobytes: AnsthaxX
ZarthaxX: nice one
ZarthaxX: and hellou
Astrobytes: lol hey, how's you
ZarthaxX: fine fine
ZarthaxX: you kind sir?
Astrobytes: Good good. Nothing to report
Astrobytes: I should be updating my CV and preparing for the contest tomorrow but I'm procrastinating.
ZarthaxX: ah true
ZarthaxX: we are about to lose our social life, again
KalamariKing: Bruv I should be doing my classwork but instead I'm struggling with a stupid error I can't fix
ZarthaxX: i prepared my CV couple days ago hehe
Amirparsab90: can someone help me learn java?
Astrobytes: Nice. Mines is well out of date.
ZarthaxX: in the process of interviews now :eyes:
KiwiTae: Astrobytes you look for a new job?
KiwiTae: ZarthaxX soon gonna take over the world
Astrobytes: Will be soon KiwiTae, Brexit has made my current line of work less than workable.
Tiramon: Amirparsab90 depending on your knowledge maybe try something like this
https://www.codecademy.com/catalog/language/java
KalamariKing: Amirparsab90 prob not here, but there are tutorials online
Westicles: Is there consensus on what is best to merge c++ files? I got this to work but don't like going through js
Westicles: https://github.com/dwd31415/single-c-file
ZarthaxX: KiwiTae gonna conquer this :O
Astrobytes: There's a python bundler somewhere Westicles
Astrobytes: This one:
https://github.com/MarcosCosmos/cg-cpp-bundler
Astrobytes: Think there's another somewhere too
Westicles: cool, thanks Astrobytes
Astrobytes: np
Tiramon: hm i even stared that on github without remembering it ;)
struct: hi
JormaWuorio: Can someone tell me why
if next_checkpoint_dist 600: thrust 0
Is not working?
Astrobytes: because you're not comparing anything?
JormaWuorio: ah sorry i meant next_checkpoint_dist < 600
ZarthaxX: HI STRUCTO
struct: paste the full code here
struct: hi ZarthaxX
ZarthaxX: :*
Astrobytes: You should post all your code, without context it's not possible to help you
RoboStac: you can never get within 600 distance of a cp (they are 600 pixels wide so once you get that close you have already moved onto the next cp
KalamariKing: Jorna the checkpoints are a couple thousand units apart
KalamariKing: Not a couple hundred
Astrobytes: Haha, yes good point robo
JormaWuorio: i know but i dont want my ship to make thrust go to 0 that much before right?
Astrobytes: Try it and see
struct: but as robo said it will never be <600
JormaWuorio: I thought it was measuring the distance to the checkpoint im going for at the moment.. Im confused :D
struct: it is the distance
struct: but the distance can never be <= 600
struct: because the checkpoint has 600 radius
RoboStac: it's the distance to the center of the checkpoint
JormaWuorio: I was trying to make it so it would start to slow down more before than it is with just the angle
JormaWuorio: okay so it should work with like < 1000 right?
Philbot: does this website help with your CVs?
Philbot: i see some mentions
Astrobytes: Not that I'm aware of
Philbot: made a connection when you were talking about CVs and the contest at the same time
Astrobytes: lol, sorry :)
orangesnowfox: It might "help" with your CV, in that something on here can *potentially* look impressive to an employer (with all the asterisks lol)
Astrobytes: oh in that context, yes *possibly*
eulerscheZahl: but I have these https://imgur.com/a/4dg5hMa
Tiramon: listing 'competetive programming' an a CV looks always good ;)
eulerscheZahl: are you telling me they are worthless? :shocked:
eulerscheZahl: no shocked emoji? :(
orangesnowfox: lol
Astrobytes: :D
eulerscheZahl: and I got 36 upvotes on Dice Duel. That has to mean something, doesn't it?
eulerscheZahl: 37 even. and 1 downvote
DomiKo: yes it does :sunglasses:
struct: more upvotes than any of my contributions :p
orangesnowfox: ... it means I need to do more CotR and get my score down lol
eulerscheZahl: yours get approved too fast
struct: Yes
Westicles: First they need to invent a job where you use any of these weirdo algorithms
struct: I threaten them with a ban
eulerscheZahl: space maze was good for harvesting, took 3 or 4 rounds
struct: usually its enough
struct: Amazons took a while too
Westicles: I'll have that on your desk tomorrow boss, Prim's algorithm should do the trick
Astrobytes: You were busy though
Marchete: "I've solved the world hunger with MCTS"
struct: lets hope the games still have a creator by the end
struct: of the contest
eulerscheZahl: i managed to sneak in some dynamic programming approach
eulerscheZahl: inherited a codebase and an evaluation took about a minute for a simple input. got it below 100ms
Marchete: add a NN, even it does nothing it sounds cool
Marchete: if*
eulerscheZahl: and some colleagues asked me for an easter egg. When you click at the program name in the status bar, it will now change to "Four in a row" and a game field will pop up
Astrobytes: hehe nice
eulerscheZahl: the colleague lost to the computer (and the computer declared victory 10 turns in advance)
eulerscheZahl: resulted in a rage quit
KalamariKing: lmao
Marchete: bah, newbies
DomiKo: nice
eulerscheZahl: not even a strong bot. that's the MCTS i shared as a snippet on tech.io
Marchete: a good AI coder lost against every and all his bots
eulerscheZahl: hm, I could submit my bot now that we have a multiplayer game for that
Marchete: Bmi2.X64.ParallelBitExtract
Popcnt.X64
Marchete: that damn new .Net core is powerful
DomiKo: euler you could
KalamariKing: euler you can't
Hjax: i was poking at my othello bot yesterday, all of my attempts to improve it make it worse, which makes me feel like im misunderstanding something about mcts
KalamariKing: you musn't
DomiKo: by Smits is already there
Marchete: welcome to the group
JormaWuorio: Can someone give me some tips on what i should do to win without boost? I dont mean spoil everything and give me a super code but some tips to nudge me forward from wood league :D
Marchete: everytime I try to fix a bug, my bots become worse
KalamariKing: jorma why without boost?
eulerscheZahl: that connect4 boss is disappointing
Hjax: my othello bot doesnt care about the magnitude of its eval function when doing EPT
JormaWuorio: Because it feels like a cheat since its a once in a day thing and i dont want to use it yet
struct: depth 3 minimax
struct: iirc
Hjax: all scores > 0 = 1, all scores < 0 = 0
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/546170187
are you sure?
KalamariKing: JormaWuorio but its an advantage the game gives you. its only cheating if you have it and they dont
struct: maybe depth 2
struct: :p
DomiKo: yeah that bot was really weak
Astrobytes: Take a look at it euler
KalamariKing: euler that's just sad
JormaWuorio: KalamariKing but its an advantage i dont need until eventually
JLukeSkywalker: jorma, one algo that works decently is to boost if greater than a certain distance away, and slow down if within a certain distance
JLukeSkywalker: slowing down close makes it easier to turn to the next target
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/replay/546171241
i lost :/
JLukeSkywalker: later though you want to be at 100% thrust at all times
JormaWuorio: Yeah i thought that would work with boost and i actually got through it now when i didnt put thrust to 0
Hjax: lol
Hjax: "I Win!"
Hjax: *timeout*
DomiKo: disrespectful
struct: Yinsh getting popular
JLukeSkywalker: its weekly puzzle, thats y
Astrobytes: how many new players?
DomiKo: free CP in Yinsh?
struct: Its like 20+
Astrobytes: wow, nice
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/546171727
dammit
Astrobytes: afk for a bit
jacek: afraid to win?
eulerscheZahl: Unhandled exception. System.ArgumentNullException: Value cannot be null. (Parameter 'source')
BlaiseEbuth: Hey ther!
jacek: your bot cannot comprehend of winning
eulerscheZahl: oh, i think it's the steal
eulerscheZahl: i didn't implement it
jacek: oh my
BlaiseEbuth: Who's that QrCode? He ate a moderator and now wear his badge! :scream:
struct: Am I still a mod?
DomiKo: yap
DomiKo: ohhh my
DomiKo: https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/546173371
jacek: shall i go back to connect4 for real
DomiKo: nahhh not now
DomiKo: there are two real bots that's enough
JormaWuorio: Ugh its starting to get frustrating when im not making any progress and i just fiddle with the checkpoint distance and boost amount.. And i didnt even notice any change when i changed thrust to boost
JormaWuorio: if next_checkpoint_dist > 800: http://chat.codingame.com/pastebin/3b9682c0-83ef-4363-bbb8-4e0ef406fea1
JormaWuorio: This is my code atm
KiwiTae: JormaWuorio -3vel i sthe way
KalamariKing: I used >9000 instead of >800,
1. For the meme
2. Only long runs get boosted
KalamariKing: The checkpoints are thousands of units apart, not hundreds
MadKnight: KalamariKing so when #1 ?
MadKnight: in legend?
KalamariKing: wdym
MadKnight: rank
eulerscheZahl: i'm getting timeouts with 90ms when 100 are allowed. does CG still have these issues or is it me?
MadKnight: what did u not understand KalamariKing
KalamariKing: I think its ping, I get that too when my interwebs get slow euler
MadKnight: i kinda thought the contest was gonna start today
Positive_coder: HI
eulerscheZahl: nonsense, the bot runs on their server
MadKnight: but it's actually tomorrow
MadKnight: like in 24h
KalamariKing: MadKnight irdk im slow
KalamariKing: are you asking me when I'm going to be #1? Probs never
MadKnight: eulerscheZahl u ready for the contest ?
eulerscheZahl: yes
JormaWuorio: Yeah but if i say that only use 100 boost when the distance is that much its gonna go slow 90% of the time right?
Philbot: inaccurate statistics
JormaWuorio: Should i make more elifs after the first to modify the speed more or what should i do?
MadKnight: need to prepare some coffee for the contest
Philbot: distance doesn't equal percentage
JormaWuorio: Well yeah but even if the checkpoints are far away from each other.. Or near each other.. Dont know why im having so much trouble wrapping my head around this when it seems so simple
MadKnight: Automaton2000 where's your 1L cup to fill it with some strong coffee ?
Automaton2000: now if i could get a higher score
MadKnight: Automaton2000 pls
Automaton2000: unless you need to use all the time
itzluku: haha these python 1liners
MadKnight: itzluku try making a 1liner bot that gets gold in this contesnt
itzluku: what contest
itzluku: im new
MadKnight: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2021
eulerscheZahl: previous contest so you know what to expect: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/spring-challenge-2020
MadKnight: Automaton2000 now i understand what euler feels
Automaton2000: are u in bronze ?
MadKnight: Automaton2000 it's terrible
Automaton2000: i guess i should look at the code and send it to me
MadKnight: itzluku so u code in python ?
MadKnight: it's kinda important for the contesyt
Westicles: MK, why you talk to 15 year olds about winning contests?
Westicles: These kids barely know how to breathe
jacek: :smirk:
MadKnight: well because that's the classic MK-style trolling ?
MadKnight: no way Automaton2000, impossible
Automaton2000: i dont do multi in a day
MadKnight: Automaton2000 i should just quit
Automaton2000: do you mean by that
MadKnight: (for today)
Westicles: I don't think they understand trolling without text written on a picture
MadKnight: Automaton2000 i'm kinda tired and it's just 7pm
Automaton2000: if you really want to go back and forth
Philbot: are you really a mod?
MadKnight: no
MadKnight: well yes but actually...
Philbot: were you umoded for spamming?
MadKnight: .... actually yes
MadKnight: dude chill
VizGhar: MK weren't you moderator?
MadKnight: nono i am
jacek: *doubt*
VizGhar: hmm ban me
Philbot: and how does that work when you spam the chat?
VizGhar: (crossing fingers)
MadKnight: i can kick u
Philbot: kick yourself
VizGhar: from what distance?
MadKnight: u just need to refresh the page to get back
jacek: oh my
MadKnight: Philbot dude that's actually straightforward bullying cmon dude
Westicles: I am sensing some animosity here
VizGhar: :D allright... btw, haven't seen this much moderators online since 1985
Philbot: you treaten to kick yet you spam the chat see the issue here?
VizGhar: Chill Phill
MadKnight: Philbot try doing better than "you're dumb!"
Philbot: i didn't call you any names
Westicles: "All my enemies are self-appointed"
MYH000: can you speak chinese?:joy:
MadKnight: Philbot is like - "reality can be whatever i want", making false accusations and stuff
Philbot: is this person really a mod
Philbot: i find it unbelievable but everything is possible
VizGhar: MYH000 most of us can't but Automaton2000 can... Automaton2000 speak chinese
KalamariKing: MadKnight was mod earlier I was here. We were talking about the mods getting shuffled about just after coc went down
Automaton2000: and i got promoted to wood 2
VizGhar: see? nobody understands him
KalamariKing: MK is very much a mod, struc t and astro were talking about that
MadKnight: lol
MadKnight: i'll just drop this topic
KalamariKing: Automaton2000 are you still mad at me
Automaton2000: and a win vs you
MadKnight: KalamariKing what were they saying ?
Westicles: I was a mod, but had to quit that when I was appointed ombudsman
KalamariKing: MadKnight pretty much just 'mk got mod revoked, persons x and y did too, persons a and b got it back' etc
MadKnight: Automaton2000 imagine not having haters
Automaton2000: yeah, i don't like the idea
KalamariKing: Nothing personal, just that some people got shuffled
KalamariKing: Automaton2000 istg sometimes your responses are great, other times they suck
Automaton2000: yea haha itll be awhile tho im barely 6gb in i had to wait for the enemy
MadKnight: KalamariKing that's actually a different story
KalamariKing: oh was it? It was right after I noticed your mod badge was gone and the coc had just come back, so I assumed
MadKnight: so they were recently reworking the entire mod system
KalamariKing: Ooh fun, but explains it
MadKnight: and they had to re-create the entire mod list
KalamariKing: oh no
KalamariKing: they still have yet to fix it?
MadKnight: well it so happened that i wasn't around at alll at that time
KalamariKing: or is it just that long?
jacek: did they re-create div list as well?
MadKnight: so they kinda forgot to add me to the new system
KalamariKing: oh rip lol
KalamariKing: now you're back here with us normies
MadKnight: nonono they added me later when i came back
MadKnight: well yes
KalamariKing: wait nother is a word
Westicles: All you new guys know you are going to get banned when the contest starts? Everyone gets a little mean and less forgiving
MadKnight: Automaton2000 is also a word
Automaton2000: what happens when i go back to your old code
MadKnight: what's your point?
retsetera: hey did the event start yet or does it start tomorrow?
eulerscheZahl: tomorrow
MadKnight: tomorrow
retsetera: k
MadKnight: yea
eulerscheZahl: in 22h
KalamariKing: no but 'nother' is an actual english word, not a name or anything
MadKnight: like in 22-23h
KalamariKing: its an actual valid word
KalamariKing: 'a whole nother story'
JANOWICZ: k
retsetera: do we start designing our code now or what
MadKnight: wait it's actually 21-22h this time
MYH000: I must go to learn my English, or I can't understand your chat!
KalamariKing: retsetera we still don't know the challenge, that's the point of the contest is that you start designing all at the same time
MadKnight: 5pm paris time
eulerscheZahl: you don't know the task yet, starting now would be premature
KalamariKing: MYH000 glhf
eulerscheZahl: 4pm actually
retsetera: ok
retsetera: just making sure
KalamariKing: 4pm... utc?
Hjax: theres no leaked replays or anything this time is there
eulerscheZahl: 4pm UTC+2
Astrobytes: No Hjax
Westicles: everything is a word if people say it enough...
MadKnight: hmm isn't paris time like UTC+3 ?
eulerscheZahl: i put my money on a hex board
MadKnight: no wait it's +2 at most
eulerscheZahl: no, Paris is in the same time zone as Germany
retsetera: when does the event start
jacek: theres video of replay though https://ujeb.se/leakkanaryLoS7dZ
eulerscheZahl: and I know which zone I'm in
jacek: paris is in germany? :scream:
KalamariKing: gonna be a nice early 10am start tmr :confetti_ball:
jacek: habits eh
Westicles: hex board is too tough. I predict it will be something unusually accessible to new folks
MadKnight: okay then i'll just believe it's gonna start in 22h
eulerscheZahl: reading comprehension: 2 out of 10 points
retsetera: 10:00am tommorow?
MadKnight: i forgot words
KalamariKing: retsetera in my time zone, yes
retsetera: i am in chigaco timezone
Hjax: ah youre east coast too @KalamariKing
MadKnight: couldn't phrase that better because i forgot english
retsetera: *chicago
KalamariKing: retsetera look up something like '4pm utc+2 to {your timezone here}'
KalamariKing: Hjax indeed ;)
retsetera: where can i see when it starts
eulerscheZahl: 21h 49min from now on
MadKnight: eulerscheTimer
KalamariKing: retsetera 4pm utc+2
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2021
not sure if that time converts to local time
retsetera: 4pm in chicago timezone?
MadKnight: guys just set up a timer on your phone
eulerscheZahl: says 4pm for me
KalamariKing: wait wtf
KalamariKing: who
KalamariKing: what
KalamariKing: I should have known damnit
retsetera: wait the website says
retsetera: for me it starts at 9:00am
KalamariKing: It converts to your time zone, yeah
KalamariKing: So it starts at 9:00am
xr_ums: Greetings
eulerscheZahl: https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20210506T16&p0=168&msg=CG+contest&font=serif
there have a countdown
[CG]Thibaud: oh I forgot to re-add the countdown
[CG]Thibaud: fixed
Westicles: Ah, it is added now
eulerscheZahl: you removed it when it was > 100 days?
[CG]Thibaud: yes
eulerscheZahl: so you are just 99 days late at putting it back :D
VizGhar: :D :D
Astrobytes: :D
[CG]Thibaud: :grimacing:
Westicles: Oh, that is helpful. I think it was on Christmas Island time before...
DarkLord__28: :grinning:
MadKnight: well euler was right
VizGhar: well you need to make contest every 99 days, so that you don't have to think about it Thibaud :D
eulerscheZahl: already took off the whole time
eulerscheZahl: boss read may 7th to 7th instead of 7th to 17th
eulerscheZahl: and quickly approved
MadKnight: 99 days 23h 59:59:999 ofc VizGhar
MadKnight: or just clamp() tiumer
MadKnight: timer
eulerscheZahl: i like your way of thinking VizGhar
MadKnight: u guys ever tried Swift ?
MadKnight: it has some interesting features
eulerscheZahl: only for the language quest
MadKnight: it's actually not worse than c#
Westicles: Swift has a very nice heredoc but the system calls are a little tricky. I give it a solid B
MadKnight: maybe even better
MadKnight: u don't need system calls on CG Westicles
eulerscheZahl: he does
MadKnight: eulerscheZahl give swift a try
Marchete: lol
eulerscheZahl: i'm here to compete, not to learn new languages
orangesnowfox: MadKnight, write / read from stdio literally does syscalls
Marchete: I gave Dart a try, it was slow af
Marchete: even more than Java
MadKnight: it's about simplifying your code eulerscheZahl
eulerscheZahl: and when I only fight the problem and not the language, i'm more effective
Marchete: then go C# euler
orangesnowfox: yee, hence me using "Kotlin | Rust"
MadKnight: euler is already c# Marchete
FrederikJuhlAndreasen: c# is trash for code golf
eulerscheZahl: we finally have .net core and release mode
orangesnowfox: I'm comfortable with those lol
Marchete: I know maddy
VizGhar: Marchete really? Dart is so slow? why they use it for flutter then?
eulerscheZahl: of course i'll go with C#
orangesnowfox: VizGhar, because they *made* it for flutter
Marchete: I had timeout problems with the most basic stuff, VizGhar
eulerscheZahl: web technology is almost always slow and inefficient
Marchete: like, seriously?
MadKnight: well and i wanna just give it a shot
orangesnowfox: flutter does have aot, but they probably aren't using it here
Marchete: I mean, at least on CG
Marchete: I won't code a bot outside C#/C++ ever
eulerscheZahl: Rust?
VizGhar: orangesnowfox they made it to replace JS but they failed :) so they added type safety and now null safety
VizGhar: and bended it to use with flutter
Marchete: to hide bots, rust :D
eulerscheZahl: meanwhile i'm learning Blazor for work
eulerscheZahl: they fixed the Rust bot hiding
eulerscheZahl: it's always release mode now, in IDE too
Hjax: more like, made it possible to test rust bots without submitting
Marchete: ahh
Marchete: good good
VizGhar: I'll probably try dart for this contest (if some hardcore search won't be necessary). Just for fun
Marchete: I'd try rust eventually
Marchete: seems interesting
Smelty: hm
Marchete: but having C# with intrinsics...
eulerscheZahl: they are taking big steps towards faster code with C#
Marchete: a lot
FrederikJuhlAndreasen: c# is really fast
Marchete: right now I had a damn NN inference as fast as C++
Smelty: 21h33m
Marchete: with AVX2 and all bells and whistles
Marchete: have*
eulerscheZahl: *had
eulerscheZahl: it was so fast it ran away
FrederikJuhlAndreasen:
i saw a comparison with cpp where they werent even using optimized c# and compared it with highly optimized cpp and there wasnt much of a difference
Aljaz14: I don't even know what i must do:( i am soo stupid
Westicles: Are there C# jobs? At least with C++ you can always write embedded phone code if you get down on your luck
VizGhar: There are C# jobs here in middleeast europe :D
VizGhar: .NET vs. Java
**eulerscheZahl gets paid for writing in C#
VizGhar: about 30:70
eulerscheZahl: Oracle starts getting crazy with Java licensing
VizGhar: hate Oracle
eulerscheZahl: https://www.lakesidesoftware.com/blog/java-did-what-understanding-how-2019-java-licensing-changes-impact-you
eulerscheZahl: C# is free (MIT license)
Visual Studio costs money but you have a free alternative with VS Code
eulerscheZahl: which i'm using on my personal machine. I'm happy with it
jacek: use kotlin [solved]
Hjax: at least google won the java api lawsuit thingy
VizGhar: kotlin rulez... hey Marchete. have you tried kotlin?
VizGhar: you might like it even more then swift
eulerscheZahl: I tried at Kotlin heroes
eulerscheZahl: they sent my tshirt to Germany and I wasn't home. Now it's back to Russia :cry:
Jesus-Boy: Am New What Do I do?
VizGhar: :D
Jesus-Boy: ?
VizGhar: Jesus-Boy that was meant for euler... What do you mean by "What do i do"?
jacek: die and come back in 3 days
eulerscheZahl: you try to solve easy puzzles if you are new to coding
VizGhar: aw... that was dark
eulerscheZahl: if you have some knowledge already, a contest starts tomorrow
VizGhar: I was about to say to grow to be teen
eulerscheZahl: dark? or biblic?
eulerscheZahl: bible related. what's the adjective for that?
struct: any tips for the contest?
VizGhar: I think you said that right
eulerscheZahl: why do you ask us? you know the game
BlaiseEbuth: Submit your code struct.
VizGhar: struct, just win it
struct: it was a secret euler
struct: lol
eulerscheZahl: submitting is an excellent hint :D
eulerscheZahl: no it wasn't. you said you are at 100% CPU for the contest already
eulerscheZahl: > My cpu has been on 100% for the last 12 hours
struct: yes I remember
eulerscheZahl: > I already have my bot ready
struct: It was all said as a joke
Hjax: i think not deleting your account helps? :P
kaboom34568: hi
struct: But it was true
Zongle: biblical eulerscheZahl
Westicles: scriptural also works
eulerscheZahl: thanks Zongle
struct: Damn my cover is blown :(, my bot is still weak anyways
Westicles: I don't handle the two different colors of blueberries very effectively
eulerscheZahl: sorry struct, i really thought it was public before :(
struct: its fine euler, dont worry lol
struct: Its not like when I submit people would not figure it out
eulerscheZahl: now you have to stay strong and resist the bribe attempts
jacek: maybe struct will promote to class
struct: im not sure if i submit my best version or not early
struct: I dont want to get crushed in a few hours
struct: :(
Hjax: lose to smits in a few hours, read his post-mortem: "i only had 20 minutes on the train to write my submission on my phone, so i was pleasantly surprised that i placed top 5"
Philbot: what was your part in the contest creation struct?
struct: I just tested the game
Jesus-B: How cAN i pLAY tHIS gAME?
Astrobytes: Hjax: :rofl:
eulerscheZahl: it's your best chance to take a #1 screenshot
Jesus-B: Can someone help please
eulerscheZahl: https://discord.com/channels/466965651135922206/832610056604221481/832612588785238076
when you see a message like this, you shout HERE
eulerscheZahl: that's how you become a tester
Westicles: "structs bot is still weak" is actually real information, in the bayesian sense
Marchete: how many testers?
struct: 4
Jesus-B: How do i play this game help pls
struct: this game?
struct: you need to be more specific
Jesus-B: How do i play it
Jesus-B: Like How Do I Code
jacek: with keyboard
Positive_coder: hi
Jesus-B: ??
Jesus-B: Ik What Should I type
ET_BB-8: depnds
ET_BB-8: depends*
Jesus-B: Tell me one pls
DevonGribbin: Hey guys. Hope everyones doing well. Im new here. Kinda stuck on the first coding game - Power of Thor. I get the first 3 test cases to pass however on the final test case I keep going over on the Y axis by 1 point. (the maximum is 17...) Any pointers would be appreciated. I must be missing something.
ET_BB-8: have you watched videos on youtube?
jacek: DevonGribbin there is hints on the left
ET_BB-8: they can help you understand the language you want to learn
ET_BB-8: once you have the basics you can try some of the challenges on here
King_Coda: Haaaaapy biiiiirthdaay tooo meeeee
King_Coda: Haaaaapy biiiiirthdaay tooo meeeee
King_Coda: haaaapy BIRRRTHday King_Codaaaaaa
King_Coda: Haaaaapy biiiiirthdaay tooo meeeee
Positive_coder: happy birthday
TobiasA: happy brithday to you
Jesus-B: Help Please I SUCK At The Game Please Telll me ONE Code That's Good IDON'TUnderstand This Game
King_Coda: I'm 16 pog
TobiasA: i thought you were 16 before
King_Coda: well not technically
TobiasA: you are supposed to be 17 now
Positive_coder: imagine make another account because u got block form the World
King_Coda: but I am now
Jesus-B: Help
King_Coda: lol imagine
Jesus-B: Please Idk What To Doooo
King_Coda: Jesus-Boy What is the problem?
ET_BB-8: i sent you dm
Positive_coder: i did
Jesus-B: How
King_Coda: ?
Positive_coder: dont ask
Jesus-B: me?
King_Coda: WHat?
King_Coda: I'm so confused
Positive_coder: King coda do u know kawaii2007
King_Coda: Yes I do Positive_coder
ET_BB-8: yes top right of screen you should see my name
Positive_coder: thats me
King_Coda: OHH
King_Coda: YOU GOT BANNED?
King_Coda: HOW??
Positive_coder: idk
struct: Chill with the caps
King_Coda: Well don't tell anyone
Positive_coder: When i logged on it sayed I was banned form the world
King_Coda: ...
King_Coda: "don't tell anyone
King_Coda: "
Positive_coder: ok
King_Coda: you should've dm'd me
King_Coda: but whatever
Positive_coder: oof
Philbot: hate to be that guy but check Gospel of John, chapter 11, verse 35 jesus-boy
Philbot: i thought chat was dead it then scrolled few pages i'm terribly sorry
King_Coda: ?
King_Coda: kk
jrke: oh so timer is here
jrke: but this time just a day before
KalamariKing: Chat is made up of entirely mods, plus me and jr-ke
Westicles: Philbot, that was my choice in Sunday school when they said to memorize a verse
eulerscheZahl: don't get paranoid
eulerscheZahl: https://prnt.sc/12j88yq
mods are shown at the top. do you see the tiny scroll bar? lots of users online
eulerscheZahl: last time when the contest started there were so many that the chat just crashed my browser
Esdeathmylove: wtf
jrke: mods get all online players sorted alphabetically
eulerscheZahl: yes, that makes tab completion for nicknames a mess :(
Westicles: Well, now thousands of people know your DOB kalamari. Might as well give out the factors of your social security number as well
Westicles: oops *king
BlaiseEbuth: "And behold a pale horse, and he that sat upon him, his name was Death, and hell followed him."
King_Coda: sorry Westicles
BlaiseEbuth: King_Coda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PRyK0B6zho
King_Coda: LOL
KalamariKing: Westicles what
King_Coda: I don't know my social security number
Westicles: oh whoops, king is ambiguous
King_Coda: I can ask my mom though
Westicles: that's okay, I'll ask her
King_Coda: want her number?
Westicles: Er... are mom jokes still a thing?
King_Coda: Yes
KalamariKing: Westicles do you want her phone number or the number when she steps on the scale? They're both pretty long...
Hjax: he just needs her zip code, thats all it takes to find her
KalamariKing: Oh King_Coda its your birthday! I didn't see that until I read the backlog
King_Coda: My mom weighs 100 pounds...
King_Coda: she's very thin...
King_Coda: And yes it's my birthday
r123456789: hi, any websites to learn JS?
KalamariKing: 100 pounds...
...more than a 737
King_Coda: ...okay? lol
eulerscheZahl: or 2.7315952362972E+28 u
which is a pretty big number
KalamariKing: r123456789 literally plenty. google it
King_Coda: eulerscheZahl, i had no idea you were #2 on the site until yesterday
eulerscheZahl: well, royale took over again
eulerscheZahl: i saw too inactive recently
eulerscheZahl: was*
KalamariKing: I guess you could call it a...
KalamariKing: #1 victory royale
Astrobytes: ha ha h...
Hjax: i envy the top peoples dedication
KalamariKing: yeah lol
King_Coda: Astrobytes!
Astrobytes: King_Coda!
eulerscheZahl: at some point i decided that uploading my own nonsense is more fun than playing other's games
KalamariKing: coda how come I don't get sucha hello
King_Coda: because KalamariKing, you're not Astro
King_Coda: Anyways Astro, I would like that badge now
Astrobytes: *medal
King_Coda: *medal, yes
eulerscheZahl: which medal?
King_Coda: Where's my birthday medal?
Astrobytes: I didn't say anything about you getting one.
imatuber: hi
Astrobytes: I just asked if you wanted one.
KalamariKing: Hello imatuber!
imatuber: i am a new coder
King_Coda: WHAt?
imatuber: yes
King_Coda: Hi a new coder, I'm dad
King_Coda: but Astro!
imatuber: hahahaha
King_Coda: It's my birthday :disappointed:
eulerscheZahl: congrats for surviing another year and not getting killed by a car or the pandemic King_Coda
King_Coda: I want my medal! :angry:
KalamariKing: are those the only two causes of death
King_Coda: :rofl: thanks Zahl
Astrobytes: There's not much else to celebrate. And soon birthdays will become irrelevant to you, so make the most of it now.
King_Coda: *gasp* I'm gonna get a job!
King_Coda: M O N E Y
King_Coda: :money_mouth:
eulerscheZahl: i would forget my own birthday if my mom wouldn't remember me
KalamariKing: astro thats rather depressing, why not be h a p p y
Hjax: why make money when you can spend 100 hours earning a tshirt?
Astrobytes: I usually do forget until the day comes.
King_Coda: YES
King_Coda: t-shirt
eulerscheZahl: 100 hours? I can get one in 70h :muscle:
KalamariKing: t-long
KalamariKing: King_Coda pfp change?
King_Coda: Zahl: :nerd:
Philbot: get a job with paid leave hjax
King_Coda: KalamariKing: Yeah, this is my real face
KalamariKing: i see
King_Coda: probably only temporary though, that K is my trademark
KalamariKing: what k
King_Coda: The K onmy old pfp
King_Coda: I'll probably get my job after june 16th, since thats when school ends
King_Coda: doing school and work sooounds like a chore i'm not ready for yet
Hjax: value your free time while you can
Hjax: it doesnt get better as you get older
KalamariKing: oh it's very much a chore
King_Coda: YEah, you dont need to tell me twice
KalamariKing: you're telling me this is the best time of my life
Hjax: college was the best imo, your mileage may vary
KalamariKing: ok good
KalamariKing: this sucks
King_Coda: LOL
Hjax: in college you only have a couple hours of class per day
KalamariKing: and you can choose your schedule, to a degree
Hjax: so if you are efficient at getting your work done, you end up with a ton of free time
King_Coda: Well I do online school, and i can get all of my assignments done in an hour
DomiKo: "Hjax 07:54PM
in college you only have a couple hours of class per day " where tell me
Hjax: lol what do you mean DomiKo
DomiKo: I have no life in college :cry:
struct: DomiKo Portugal
Hjax: in my undergrad on a given day i probably only spent 3 or 4 hours in lectures
struct: I have like 4-6 hours max
ZarthaxX: then you got like 1000 hours extra on your own
ZarthaxX: :D
DomiKo: I have like 2hours lectures, butttt I have to spend like 5H on assigments
ZarthaxX: that's the real pain
ZarthaxX: ;(
Hjax: ouch, yeah there were definitely times where i was flooded with tons of assignments
Hjax: those weeks were painful
Hjax: also hey ZarthaxX
ZarthaxX: heyo Hjax
King_Coda: Hello ZarthaxX
ZarthaxX: you havent been here very much recently :thinking:
Hjax: i like that your profile picture is a different fox with a hat now
ZarthaxX: much*
ZarthaxX: hi King_Coda ;:*
ZarthaxX: Hjax yes, scarfield did it
ZarthaxX: looks adorable
Hjax: yeah i kind of ghosted during the last contest, and havent been around since
ZarthaxX: but was a bear before that tho lol
ZarthaxX: life is hard
ZarthaxX: many things to do
ZarthaxX: but we all come back for that contest meeting
ZarthaxX: :D
DomiKo: omg there is a counter!!!
DomiKo: 20H wow
DomiKo: can't wait
ZarthaxX: for no lifing?
ZarthaxX: :D
DomiKo: ohhh yes
eulerscheZahl: Thibaud forgot to put it back when the counter reached the double-digits
eulerscheZahl: it doesn't support 100+ days
ZarthaxX: oh :(
DomiKo: so there should be a contest in every 99 days
DomiKo: problem solved
Illedan: ^
Astrobytes: That's 2 mentioned that one now
Astrobytes: Petition incoming
eulerscheZahl: exactly what VizGhar suggested earlier :D
Hjax: i love how lively the chat is around contests, everyone coming out of the woodwork lol
DomiKo: O.o
Astrobytes: Missing a certain mullet
ZarthaxX: i think it has been a bit more active than usual anyway
jrke: rocky mullet astrobytes?
Astrobytes: 'Active' yes...
Hjax: wheres smits been? i dont think ive seen him since i came back
Astrobytes: There is no other jrke :)
eulerscheZahl: smits is just busy
Astrobytes: ^
jrke: busy in teaching/
eulerscheZahl: i'm not, just lazy
King_Coda: oh yeah, he's the teacher guy
Astrobytes: With his multithreaded meta MCTS
Astrobytes: Not teaching
Astrobytes: :P
ZarthaxX: lol
jrke: ohh
Astrobytes: I jest.
eulerscheZahl: beta testing about to end, release to a few hundred users in 2 weeks
eulerscheZahl: and i'm taking off for the contest :rofl:
eulerscheZahl: i'm the only programmer on that project
Astrobytes: Nicely done :D
Astrobytes: Hahahaha seriously?
King_Coda: I'm probably going to spend the rest of the day today learning as much C# as I can
Astrobytes: You're confident then I take it
eulerscheZahl: passed the code to someone else last Friday :D
jrke: euler did you tested SC2021
Hjax: i see the duck on the signups
Astrobytes: Classic euler
eulerscheZahl: no jrke
eulerscheZahl: getting my priorities straight
jrke: btw this time they added codingame before spring challenge
jrke: so its now CSC21
eulerscheZahl: honestly, I wouldn't hire myself
Astrobytes: :rofl:
jrke: :stuck_out_tongue:
struct: How many bugs will it have that I didnt spot?
Hjax: id hire you, just need to structure your assignments as codingame contests
Astrobytes: Are we placing bets struct?
Hjax: imagine the productivity
Astrobytes: lmao
struct: How long will my bot last on 1st place?
jrke: bugs you will get to know that under 24 hours
eulerscheZahl: 12h struct
struct: My current submit is first
eulerscheZahl: until Friday morning
struct: I have a bot that beats it with 95%+ win rate over 1000 games
struct: My current submit is also undefeated
jrke: how many testers are there struct?
struct: 4
jrke: oh
eulerscheZahl: the one-eyed is the king among the blind (German saying, does that exist in English too?)
Philbot: what is the game about?
jrke: so those 4 are gonna be first to make bronze
struct: I would be happy if my bot lasts 12 hours tbh
Astrobytes: Yes "in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king" euler
jrke: euler in hindi thats "andho me kanna raja"
Astrobytes: I like the Hindi version best :)
jrke: :grimacing:
eulerscheZahl: in Hindi I only know swear words
jrke: which one
eulerscheZahl: watched too much Kitboga
Astrobytes: the scam baiter guy?
IvesL: are there any ways to check locked certificate requirement
ableflyer: guys what is this thing that astrobytes have next to his account name
Hjax: hes a Moderator
IvesL: hes a mod
ableflyer: oh ok
King_Coda: mod
King_Coda: dom
ableflyer: thanks
King_Coda: moddom
IvesL: hover over it
King_Coda: He's also my adopted father, although he refuses to accept it
King_Coda: AND he owes me a birthday medal
jrke: gn everybody cya on contest eve
Hjax: gn jrke
Astrobytes: gn jrke
KalamariKing: gn jrke
King_Coda: gn jrke
eulerscheZahl: oh, chat continued
I thought my mention of kitboga killed the chat
KalamariKing: oh hello again hypnotoad
KalamariKing: if we registered for the contest, shouldn't our school show up? or does the school itself have to sign up?
eulerscheZahl: only if 5 users are from there
KalamariKing: oh rip
KalamariKing: 4
eulerscheZahl: that school leaderboard is more like a popularity vote, who can mobilize the most players
eulerscheZahl: aCat usually wins
KalamariKing: oh interesting
aCat: this cat is innocent
eulerscheZahl: giving bonus points for high contest rankings
KalamariKing: im the only one from my school active here. 3 others are registered on codingame, but they haven't done anything in a while
aCat: eulerscheZahl this is not true
eulerscheZahl: but it was
aCat: some french schools have more players
KalamariKing: but was it?
aCat: now we have really a good team
KalamariKing: oh lmao you pinged aCat
eulerscheZahl: but you are a university tutor
eulerscheZahl: more skilled players that you can put on CG
aCat: but I can;t win alone
aCat: BTW I'm too weak ;]
aCat: I can just 'suggest' some students
KalamariKing: What do you think: should I continue grinding quests and keep dropping my rank OR should I grind out practices and get frustrated OR should I read up on potentially anything for tomorrow and get bored
eulerscheZahl: suggest them to play or fail your class
aCat: BTW this semester points goes only for basic AI classes
aCat: I will be REALLY surpised if anyone from this group will be in out r representation
aCat: all the others will be hobbyists
eulerscheZahl: but you worked hard in previous semesters. some students are still playing even after passing your class
aCat: yep ;D
aCat: can't deny that
KalamariKing: no answer, falling back to coc's
aCat: :proud_cat:
DomiKo: don't only top 5 counts in the ranking?
KalamariKing: right off the bad w:l 0:1
eulerscheZahl: gabbek is not one of yours, is he?
eulerscheZahl: yes, top5 only
aCat: nope ;]
DomiKo: gabbek is from my city :D
aCat: but we get him to our slcak ;p
eulerscheZahl: i did some pair programming with him on coders of the realm
aCat: Oh of course - Dominik always on CG ;p
Astrobytes: Keep an eye out for Olaf in this contest
XeroOl: hello world
Hjax: i was just talking to gabbek, hes apparently messing around with connect 4 currently
DomiKo: yes he is
KalamariKing: jesus christ this is the 7th 'shortest' in a row, no exaggeration. is there something wrong?
Gabbek: Hello everyone! :)
XeroOl: how Important is it that I'm here right when the contest starts?
eulerscheZahl: hi
aCat: oh
aCat: pinged ;p
Astrobytes: Right on time :)
KalamariKing: Hello Gabbek
XeroOl: is it okay to start working a couple days late?
KalamariKing: Working on what
XeroOl: on the contest
KalamariKing: Contest? Yeah, its 11 days long
Hjax: you have over a week, so yeah losing a couple days isnt the end of the world
aCat: means 20 days too short ;p
eulerscheZahl: 3 days too long
eulerscheZahl: i was good at ghost in the cell which was shorter
ShubhamGautam: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/173430551961c66d442435120ae9b50161b088e
Gabbek: I'm a bit quite, as always - sorry. Working a bit on optimization and trying to get to gold in all official games. How's going? :)
ShubhamGautam: whoever want to come
KalamariKing: ShubhamGautam #clsah
DomiKo: eulerscheZahl school leaderboard is so much more fun. If you do a contest with your friends, because you can have to fight to be in top5 in school
ShubhamGautam: https://youtu.be/WQ6hyQQhDwc
KalamariKing: lmao
KalamariKing: #clash
eulerscheZahl: maybe i'm biased because i don't know any codingamer in real life
eulerscheZahl: so i don't care about these filtered leaderboards
jacek: :no_mouth:
Hjax: me either, ive tried to convince some friends to play but they never really stick around
Gabbek: same here Hjax, no luck in that regard :D
Astrobytes: Same. In fact, they never sign up.
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/profile/3993550f157bf0dd1887c6b39f5517ba3265402
a colleague of mine
eulerscheZahl: that's the best I could do to motivate someone
Gabbek: Happened the same with codingame escape when I've tried to convience some :(
XeroOl: I've gotten people to play clash of code, but not the rest of the site
eulerscheZahl: on CG escape I was the one who left the team early
Zenoscave: I force other students to join
ShubhamGautam: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/173430551961c66d442435120ae9b50161b088e
eulerscheZahl: to my excuse: it was already 9pm
Zenoscave: :devil:
Hjax: https://www.codingame.com/profile/8bb0aeb914280e7ff761446cf88a4c442519053 i managed to motivate someone a bit more
eulerscheZahl: no ShubhamGautam
eulerscheZahl: share it on #clash
XeroOl: the trick is to just follow an arbitrary set of people
DomiKo: yeah in Uni it's much easier to convince someone o CG
eulerscheZahl: Uni is where someone told me about CG
XeroOl: one of my friends is now semi-competent at golfing with lua
Gabbek: DomiKo did I read your message right? You're from Czestochowa as well?
XeroOl: which is terrifying
aCat: especially if you have points to give :P
Gabbek: (scrolling back a bit to read some previous messages)
DomiKo: Gabbek yes yes
Gabbek: Haha, this world is so small :D
Astrobytes: Only 2 I know from elsewhere:
https://www.codingame.com/profile/197a1de495ef6a346c0c3e330c0c139c9743681
https://www.codingame.com/profile/0920d50839c6d4c6be49df720de0c57b0377282
eulerscheZahl: the most represented city at the top of CG is probably Budapest
DomiKo: aCat especially :joy:
eulerscheZahl: aCat is small?
DomiKo: lol
Astrobytes: LOL I read it like that too euler
aCat: :joy_cat:
Zenoscave: astro are they into biomedical engineering and nano bots as well??
Astrobytes: No.
Zenoscave: I crack myself up
Astrobytes: One's a CS grad training to be a nurse, the other is a computational science research doctor thing
jacek: no bioengineers? :(
Zenoscave: So no nanobots?
Astrobytes: None whatsoever.
Zenoscave: Booooooo
Zenoscave: Any penguins?
eulerscheZahl: nanobots will run out of IP addresses, not that cool anyways
Astrobytes: Sorry :shrug:
imatuber: sorry recess
imatuber: i am at school
Hjax: beware of the ipv6 enabled nanobots
eulerscheZahl: https://xkcd.com/865/
Zenoscave: what is the address space of ipv6 again?
XeroOl: 5
imatuber: 55
Astrobytes: lol
imatuber: lol
Hjax: theres always a relevant xkcd isnt there
XeroOl: it's actually more than 5
Hjax: always
XeroOl: there's a lot of ipv6
Astrobytes: HJax: *if* you can find it
Zenoscave: https://relevantxkcd.appspot.com
Gabbek: okey, registered for contest tomorrow - nearly forgot about it... whoopsie
Astrobytes: Yeah it doesn't always find it though Zeno
Gabbek: Btw Astrobytes - slowly making a bit of progress in MCTS :) decided to try it a bit with connect4 as it's easier. Discovering a lot of things I've been doing wrong for the last few weeks when trying to learn it, so it's going quite nicely!
Zenoscave: fair but it found the nanobots first try for me
Gabbek: I'm curious - eulerscheZahl - did you get your t-shirt finally?
ShubhamGautam: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1734346a218b39a7073783cec7858395dd65474
ShubhamGautam: join here
ShubhamGautam: livestream game
BlaiseEbuth: -> #clash
ShubhamGautam: https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1734346a218b39a7073783cec7858395dd65474 #clash
Zenoscave: ShubhamGautam quit posting here
Zenoscave: post in #Clash
Astrobytes: Excellent Gabbek, that's great to hear! Practice really makes perfect with MCTS, and learning the optimisations along the way of course ;)
Hjax: until you try ept and your head explodes
Gabbek: speaking of optimisations - decided to try a very simple connect4 implementation, just to see how it goes, and yesterday it was around 15-20k rollouts in first turn, now it's 220k... mostly thanks to Hjax and the conversation :D
Gabbek: such a crazy differents, I was quite shocked... still am tbh!
Hjax: optimization yay!
davilla: how did you get 10x out of it?
Astrobytes: Haha that's awesome. That's what I'm talking about!
VizGhar: Gabbek what is Hjax?
Hjax: i am Hjax
Astrobytes: Hjax: tell him
DomiKo: davilla you can get even more!
VizGhar: :D :D well sorry
Astrobytes: hehehe
XeroOl: hjax is a person in the chat
Hjax: the secret is to not allocate new memory.... ever, especially not with a garbage collected language
VizGhar: I though you are talking about some secret algo :D
XeroOl: lmao
Hjax: reduce reuse recycle...... or something
davilla: oh you have a pool of objects
jacek: hjaxmax?
Gabbek: davilla - the most gains were thanks due to getting rid of memory allocation with new; I'm sure DomiKo and others can do much better though :D
Astrobytes: Yeah, keep nodes as light as possible, make a fkload of them, reuse the pool if necessary, reuse the tree
XeroOl: the trick is to use -O2
XeroOl: :)
jacek: -Ofast
Astrobytes: Ofast
jacek: but in C#? :thinking:
XeroOl: does codingame use -Ofast?
VizGhar: Where is that forum post with pragmas?
Astrobytes: No
RoboStac: jacek - I've been retraining my oware after the discussion yesterday, turns out your method might be 'slightly' better
XeroOl: Does that make it better to write your program in bash, and then just call gcc?
XeroOl: if you can get compile time to <1 second?
imatuber: iii
imatuber: i
imatuber: i
Gabbek: maybe one day I'll try to do something in c/c++, but... that's like in 2 years I guess :D
VizGhar: C is easy :) try OCaml... My head is exploding every time I try it here
Astrobytes: Hm, you'd be surprised how fast you can make something workable moving from C#->C++
XeroOl: I wish this website had support for exotic languages
XeroOl: I would be competing in zig lmao
Astrobytes: OCaml is cruel and unusual punishment
XeroOl: out of all the languages I've done puzzles for so far, I've had the most trouble with OCaml
Gabbek: Astrobytes - can imagine, especially when optimizating stuff it pretty much looks like C++ anyway ^^ lots of primitives
jacek: RoboStac my method? the inputs?
RoboStac: yeah
XeroOl: does codingame use -march?
XeroOl: I have a lot of __builtin_popcount() in one of the bots I'm writing right now
jacek: :scream:
XeroOl: and I wonder if I'm shooting myself in the foot with this
JLukeSkywalker: the walrus operator has arrived!!
Astrobytes: #pragma GCC optimize("Ofast","unroll-loops","omit-frame-pointer","inline")
- pragma GCC option("arch=native","tune=native")
- pragma GCC target("avx2","popcnt","rdrnd","bmi2")
XeroOl: genius
RoboStac: without changing anything else it's learnt to be better after about 50k training games - previous bot took at least 10x that to get to a worse level
davilla: walrus operator in which language?
XeroOl: python
Astrobytes: That kind of thing is what you need. Add and remove whatever you need/don't need.
JLukeSkywalker: python
davilla: oh we're on 3.9 now? sweet!
JLukeSkywalker: pretty much only affects code golf
JLukeSkywalker: but still cool
jacek: RoboStac and the same number of units/layers?
Astrobytes: Walrus? The := operator?
JLukeSkywalker: yeah, assign and reurn
JLukeSkywalker: return*
RoboStac: no, copied your 1 layer as well
RoboStac: though I did try my inputs + 1 layer and that was terrible
XeroOl: thank you for the #pragma trick
XeroOl: you've saved my bot career lol
Astrobytes: No problem XeroOl
jacek: noice. finally a worthy opponent on oware
Astrobytes: :expressionless:
RoboStac: so it's now 32*14 inputs of 0/1 into a single dense layer (size 96) into 6 policy / 1 value output
XeroOl: are there any good tutorials for MCTS, or should I just go off of all of these academic papers I've found lol
Astrobytes: Very nice improvement robo
VizGhar: geeksforgeeks
Astrobytes: https://tech.io/playgrounds/57060/mcts-tic-tac-toe-playground
Astrobytes: And euler's connect4 code (in his profile)
Gabbek: ^-- damn, you were much faster Astro :D
jacek: oO
Astrobytes: :grin: For once!
VizGhar: Why is that sqrt(log/visits) so important?
VizGhar: It's funny. because I've found most of those algos myself, but without those bulgarian variables
VizGhar: Simulated Annealing is another one with crazy formula
DomiKo: crazy?
VizGhar: well not intuitive one
VizGhar: You are talking to just a little more then a begginer here domiko
Astrobytes: Search for Upper Confidence Bound 1
Uljahn: and multiarmed bandits
Astrobytes: And take it from there
eulerscheZahl: I refuse to try and understand that formula Astrobytes
Astrobytes: Stats are stats
VizGhar: but guys. you are my google :D
eulerscheZahl: I already did :see_no_evil: when it came to electrons moving in transistors
eulerscheZahl: btw is robo's new NN really that much stronger? or does smits need to update his book? :D
jacek: VizGhar so give us your private data
VizGhar: You'd be disgusted jacek
Astrobytes: I'm fairly sure he wouldn't.
jacek: he has 100% winrate against msmits
Astrobytes: I'm not sure even Smits will come back against it
Astrobytes: *effectively
jacek: he really needs to finish that 48 seeds endgame
Astrobytes: heh
eulerscheZahl: :D
Philbot: what is the topic
eulerscheZahl: https://www.codingame.com/multiplayer/bot-programming/oware-abapa/leaderboard
jacek: and it was I who created that monster :(
Philbot: #1 uses your idea jacek?
jacek: somewhat
Philbot: i remember your article
Philbot: and i still wonder why it has all those extras instead of just NN
jacek: extras?
Astrobytes: jacekmax
Philbot: the NN could give the values for the moves without having to expand, simulate and backpropagate
Philbot: best first minimax mcts NN god knows what else
KalamariKing: why would you use f#
Philbot: https://www.codingame.com/playgrounds/55004/best-first-minimax-search-with-uct
jacek: NN gives value, but it needs input for that value. how would it get the input without expansion and making moves?
KalamariKing: wdym
Philbot: train a NN that gives values based on current board
KalamariKing: wouldn't the inputs be the current board?
Philbot: kalamari i'm impressed
KalamariKing: huh
KalamariKing: as dumb as I can be, I've coded a few nn's
KalamariKing: one of which was for messing around in OpenAI gym
Philbot: now i am even more impressed
jacek: :+1:
KalamariKing: What'd you think before?
KalamariKing: I actually wanna know
Philbot: don't take it the wrong way jacek
Philbot: i find the extra bits useless
jacek: oh
KalamariKing: clojure syntax is gross
jacek: :head_bandage:
KalamariKing: wait why does ctrl+/ add two semicolons when the premade code only has 1
KalamariKing: (in clojure)
Illedan: RoboStac changed to one hot encoding too?
Illedan: (Oware)
Marchete: do you think so?
jacek: yes. scroll up
Marchete: ow +1.5 points over 2nd
jacek: :rage:
Marchete: I don't have enough scroll to see it
Marchete: so one hot goes better?
Illedan: Yeah
jacek: apparently. robo said after training 10x less games it was better
Marchete: it was probably not your fault, just a coincidence :D
Illedan: Oh, he needed 500k games for his normal NN to be ok -.-
Illedan: Makes sense
Marchete: sharing is caring
Illedan: I did max 50k games on any of the AIs I tried yet
Marchete: how's your NN going Ille?
Illedan: My newest NN finds as P1 that it basically lost instantly :sob: (evaluating the initial state to be -0.9577)
RoboStac: 50k would probably be top10 below smits
RoboStac: previously
Illedan: Thx for that
Marchete: nice bot Robo
jacek: nice robot Bo
Illedan: Maybe I should just play 1000 random games vs Robos bot and do supervised learning on those :thinking:
Marchete: it could be
Marchete: but it would take years
Illedan: Isn't this game small enough to do some decent Book?
KalamariKing: SHOULD I:
- Complete onboarding in every language
- Do something sane
Astrobytes: Illedan: Enter MSmits and the neverending seed database
KalamariKing: I've already gotten down to kotlin
XeroOl: onboarding in every language is cheating imo
XeroOl: but you can do it if you want
KalamariKing: hey why is it cheating
KalamariKing: I wanna see if there are any 'better' languages imo
XeroOl: what do you mean by 'better'?
Illedan: Meh, I'll say Oware is done for now. Time to prepare my setu for the Contest
Illedan: *setup
KalamariKing: idk, I just like it better
KalamariKing: I wouldn't know I like c++ if I hadn't
KalamariKing: Relatively similar to languages I know, plus its low level
XeroOl: sure I guess
Astrobytes: And you could tell that from Onboarding
jacek: how can you know that in onboarding
jacek: :x
Astrobytes: Hah. Finally
KalamariKing: I know cpp is low level
XeroOl: onboarding is just about learning syntax lol
Hjax: what kind of preparation do you do Illedan
KalamariKing: I just didn;t know what the syntax was like
Marchete: what kind of setup?
KalamariKing: Now I do and I like it
XeroOl: from onboarding, you can already tell that lua is a perfect programming language
Marchete: btw the .net C# looks good
Astrobytes: He massages himself in a Norwegian way, jumps in freezing lakes and stuff Hjax
Marchete: really good performance
KalamariKing: astro ...what
Illedan: How many chars is it Marchete?
Marchete: chars?
Illedan: Looked big to use in a CG bot?
KalamariKing: there's a char limit Marchete
Marchete: I just ported my NN to C#, I got the same performance than C++
Astrobytes: I think it says that in the readme Illedan
Marchete: including ABX2
Marchete: AVX2
Marchete: and the Span<> memory stackwhatever
Illedan: Cool
Marchete: seem performance oriented
Illedan: Might give it a look :)
Illedan: Maybe this is my setup
XeroOl: hold up I just realized
XeroOl: is it possible to do shortest in bash
XeroOl: with curl <url> | sh
Philbot: :)
MSmits: Illedan oware is indeed small enough to do a decent book, but it will only be a winning advantage if you counterbook specific players. Just like with any other game except maybe yavalath
Astrobytes: No but you're onto something
Hjax: MSmits is alive!
MSmits: yep
Astrobytes: A wild Smits appears!
MSmits: just finishing some workstuff so i am done before contest
jacek: MSmits now do meta against robo
MSmits: it's easy to do, done it several times before, but i lost interest in winning that way
Hjax: have people tried to counter getting booked with non determinism?
jacek: hypogonadism?
Astrobytes: Ah yes, remembering why
MSmits: hjax yes and it does work
MSmits: but not perfectly
MSmits: jacek is usually quite random and it takes a long time to counterbook him, but in the end it's still only a few 100 moves stored to get above 50% WR, and thats with a bookspace of 200k moves or so
Hjax: i see
Astrobytes: Don't book reBless is the best advice
MSmits: not to say this is an i-win button. You cant even create a good book without a good bot
MSmits: or use it
MSmits: because your bot still needs to finish the game when the book ends
c_shxrp: when will we get details on the bot?
jacek: Astrobytes actually thats a good meta. book reBless, reBless rage quits, easier to get to top
Marchete: reBless :rofl:
c_shxrp: for the tournament
MSmits: you mean the game c_shxrp
jacek: c_shxrp contest? tomorrow
MSmits: for now we just have a picture
c_shxrp: oh ok, ty
Marchete: di you get the referee by email too?
Marchete: did*
c_shxrp: wheres the image?
MSmits: maybe during the day we get some video or something, maybe a replay
Hjax: i wonder if the four furry critters in the contest art imply that its a 4 player game
DomiKo: pls no
VizGhar: yes please
Hjax: they are different colors too
ZarthaxX: there are like 5 ?
Marchete: with fog of war
MSmits: DomiKo what would be worse, a 4p or a multiagent game
Illedan: 4 player game with fog of war, randomness and step physics. Then i'll rage quit
DomiKo: 4p
MSmits: like where you control 10 or more thingies
DomiKo: ohhh
DomiKo: ehhh
Hjax: make the game simultaneous while youre at it
DomiKo: hard choice now
Marchete: PCR with fog of war
Nerchio: Illedan you described my ideal game
DomiKo: don't tell me about PCR
Illedan: PCR <3
MSmits: i prefer multiagent in that case, because with 4p there's a lot of luck
MSmits: a far superior player can still lose in 4p if the others accidentally gang up on him
Marchete: PR1
MSmits: so you get leaderboard noise
Marchete: 1 turn, good game
DomiKo: PCR :nauseated_face:
Hjax: code of kutulu flashbacks
Hjax: i got annoyed during the unofficial contest at how often i just seemed to get unlucky
Marchete: I feel your pain domiko
MSmits: i like PCR, but the 3p/4p part is a drawback
Illedan: Anyway, I'm off to weep about my useless NN and try to rewrite everything before the contest. gl hf
DomiKo: 4p is a lot of luck like in Hypersonic
Hjax: i go left, the other three go right
MSmits: and the sim is hard
Hjax: i guess i lose!
MSmits: DomiKo HS is even worse with 3p
MSmits: because it's not symmetrick
MSmits: -k
DomiKo: I'm not even talking about that one
Marchete: yeah, assymetric 3p game
DomiKo: MSmits I kinda "mastered" HS so yeah I know :(
Marchete: yeah I saw it
Marchete: congrats
MSmits: oh right, you got to the top wit that, well done
Marchete: impressive
MSmits: I saw i was nr 1 for a bit while you were working on that
DomiKo: yeah
Astrobytes: A wild Nerchio appears
DomiKo: a lot of shuffling
Nerchio: A wild Astrobytes appears?
DomiKo: Astrobytes are you stalking?
Astrobytes: No, he posted earlier DomiKo, was afk and catching up on chat :D
Nerchio: i wonder whats more cool, stay top1 gold or be at the bottom of legend
MSmits: bottom legend
DomiKo: legend is nice red color
MSmits: gold boss is so frustrating to have to beat
jacek: comrade
Nerchio: sure but at least i am 1st somewhere :joy:
Hjax: i got stuck at top gold in code of kutulu, would much rather be bottom legend
MSmits: so far never got stuck behind one, but twice i barely got past it near the end of contest
MSmits: they're usually very strong
Nerchio: my bot in pacman still stays top1 gold and to me looks cooler than my sad bots from like potion challenge at the very end of legend
MSmits: well also considering you dont have months to beat it
VizGhar: How do you guys keep focused for 11days?
Astrobytes: Amphetamines
jacek: cocaine
DomiKo: don't sleep
Astrobytes: I mean, coffe
Astrobytes: e
VizGhar: aaah makes sense
Astrobytes: lol
MSmits: VizGhar the last few contests i didnt stay focused.
VizGhar: I'm allergic to coffee :D
MSmits: it's motivation mostly. I went nuts the first few times
Astrobytes: Amphetamines for you then :P
Hjax: yeah the last few contests i havent stayed motivated either
DomiKo: coffee is for weak people
Hjax: i barely did anything for potions, gave up on pacman before the weekend, didnt try OOC
Astrobytes: I've not been overly motivated either
MSmits: i remember after my first contest i slept 12 hrs a day for half a week to recover
Hjax: that was me after utg
Nerchio: damn Hjax you need to play this one then
VizGhar: uff...
Hjax: i put my heart and soul into utg
Astrobytes: OOC was good, pacman was just all kinds of no, potions were slightly better
DomiKo: Last contest I was changing my code 2 hours before the end. At 4AM.
Astrobytes: You really did Hjax
Hjax: i stayed up until the deadline, refreshing teccles replays trying to figure out his secrets
MSmits: and then kar liso won
Marchete: wow
Astrobytes: ah yes, duck, teccles etc
Marchete: you people take challenges seriously
MSmits: so do you, you just take more time
Astrobytes: I don't
Marchete: correct
Hjax: somewhat ironically, the thing i ended up finding was something teccles missed
Marchete: I'm a marathon man
Hjax: when i mentioned it to him, he said he probably would have won if he had the same idea
Marchete: you are usain bolt
Astrobytes: I like that ethos Marchete
struct: yes I can confirm
struct: 4 players with fog
DomiKo: Marchete then you are the marathon king
DomiKo: struct
MSmits: struct how do you know this
DomiKo: don't say that
Astrobytes: Hjax: what did you find again? The id thing? Or was that teccles?
struct: I tested the game
Hjax: the id thing was the thing i ended up missing
MSmits: but you're not allowed to tell us that then
struct: because its not true :)
MSmits: o
struct: or is it
Hjax: i realized every top bot always took a radar over a mine
DomiKo: lier!!!
Hjax: so i could cache steal from their radars
Astrobytes: Ah gotcha
struct: I dont feel like cg will do 4 players tbh
Astrobytes: Donno how you didn't see the id thing though, that was everywhere on the last night
DomiKo: Last contest was nice
Hjax: too busy refreshing teccles replays apparently
DomiKo: this one will be too
Astrobytes: lol
Hjax: the id thing was kind of anti fun imo
Hjax: the game leaking info like that is kind of meh
Astrobytes: If it's a thing, it's a thing
Hjax: sure, i definitely would have exploited it if i knew
Hjax: but i think the game would be better off without it
KalamariKing: guys I did it
KalamariKing: I completed a medium challenge with little to no struggling
MSmits: well most contests have one little mistake like that
MSmits: sometimes gets fixed during contest
VizGhar: KalamariKing now is time for nintendo :)
MSmits: One piece of advice, when you go into the contest, dont focus too much on the games' imperfections. Try to just enjoy finding solutions
MSmits: it's very hard to make a good botgame
KalamariKing: lol i think its time
MSmits: much harder still to make it so that the top leaderboard is adequately sorted by submits.
Hjax: i think i find it hard to balance my ambitions in contests
Hjax: i think i was too ambitious in pacman, and it ended up hurting me
MSmits: my biggest mistake is not considering completely rewriting my bot
MSmits: best think you can do is try some completely different approaches
MSmits: but i get tunnel vision
struct: For the first time I can say I didnt rewrite my bot
Hjax: yeah i really wanted to make my monte carlo thing work in pacman
MSmits: oh and i watch way too few games
Hjax: ah i dont have that problem
MSmits: my first contest was quite succesful but i remember watching A LOT of games.
Hjax: i watch LOTS of games
MSmits: after that i started to focus too much on the coding
jacek: you can also make up your own goals to keep motivation going up, something like top10 or delete account
Marchete: lol
Marchete: top500
MSmits: or just.. .top 10
DomiKo: jacek nice goal
Hjax: my goal in UTG was to get a t-shirt, mostly to prove to myself that i could
Hjax: im not sure what my goal now is
Westicles: is struct allowed to tell us whether it is fun or not?
MSmits: my main goal is to just get legend and anything better is a nice bonus
gigolo: get into bronze :nerd:
DomiKo: in first 30 min
MSmits: hah, one time i got into bronze on first day, usually it takes me longer
MSmits: I make the mistake of overengineering my first versions
Hjax: getting #1 in a language ranking might be a good goal, but if i use java i have to compete with Nerchio, not sure who uses rust in contests
VizGhar: I'll get to legend :)
DomiKo: I rember struct is really fast
XeroOl: what are the language rankings?
struct: im fast?
VizGhar: pick Bash Hjax :D
struct: o.o
MSmits: Hjax dbd r prolly
MSmits: and he's good
jacek: faster than class
XeroOl: does it only count as #1 at the end of the competition?
Hjax: does he play contests? i know hes amazing at board games
XeroOl: or can you just be early and get #1
Marchete: 50 hours of high level coding for a lousy tshirt :D
MSmits: he's amazing at optims and very good at board games
JBM: and a nice guy too
MSmits: yea
Westicles: He somehow cheated at 2048. That score is impossible
DomiKo: Marchete you could try 100 hours for canvas
Hjax: yeah i wouldnt expect to beat him in a contest hes taking seriously
Hjax: im still a relative beginner with rust
XeroOl: ouch, rust
Hjax: and hes better than me even without a language handicap
MSmits: hmm, i'm not sure how often he is top 5 Hjax
MSmits: will have to check
Astrobytes: yeah +1 for dbd r
JBM: rust isn't supposed to be a language handicap
Hjax: i mean, its a handicap for me
JBM: yeha that ok
Hjax: but even if i wasnt handicapped, i couldnt beat dbd r
MSmits: his best rank is 5th, code a la mode
XeroOl: use rust if you're scared of debugging
MSmits: but he's very constant
MSmits: like euler i think
Astrobytes: Don't be like EveningRust and fight the language for the whole contest
Astrobytes: JBM o/
MSmits: so yeah you can beat him with rust Hjax, if you have the right ideas for this game
XeroOl: depending on if it's going to be super brute forcey, I'll probably use c++ or lua
MSmits: (and he doesnt)
JBM: heya astroes \o howzit going
Hjax: i do prefer games where the winner has to be clever instead of just efficient
Astrobytes: Same sht different day but a little more stirred up than usual JBM, and yourself?
JBM: yeah we all do
Hjax: like no one was going to win at potions with python3
Marchete: -3vel :D
XeroOl: python3 is too OP
JBM: -3vl *is* a good example of that
struct: I dont think python will ever win a contest though
MSmits: Hjax almost all contest games are about cleverness
JBM: Astrobytes: haskell may actually get an upgrade i'm so stoked
MSmits: have not seen one where performance was the winning factor tbh
King_Coda: My goals are beyond your understanding
XeroOl: are all the previous contest winners in fast languages?
KalamariKing: chat is blowing up, huh
Astrobytes: JBM: Yes, I've been following the threads on the forum :D
Hjax: performance isnt the winning factor, but you need some baseline to be competitive
struct: MSmits code a la monde
JBM: take cover
struct: #1 was C# and 2nd py3
MSmits: yeah thats my point struct
Hjax: i think utg was winnable with python
XeroOl: I've heard good things about C# but I don't want to learn it
KalamariKing: astro I tried haskell and... why
JBM: yeah ok i do have some work up my plate, and prolly a but of coordination too
struct: ah yes
JBM: then again i'm on holiday
struct: Sorry
Westicles: Does Haskell have important new features, or is it just a respect thing?
Marchete: imo C# can compete in performance
MSmits: Hjax sure, some contests are not winnable with python, but they are all winnable with C#
Marchete: on the pother hand py3 is impressive
MSmits: even if you're potentially 2x slower
XeroOl: haskell could be fun, but I'm not smart enough to use it in a conntest
JBM: Westicles: both
XeroOl: maybe in a bot game after the contest, where I'm not pressed for time
ZarthaxX: haskell no way lol
KalamariKing: imagine someone wins with lua
XeroOl: that's what I'm gonna do
XeroOl: :)
JBM: it's late like 6 major versions on GHC
JBM: and the respect thingy
XeroOl: let's do some lua programming
XeroOl: it's gonna be great
KalamariKing: what if we all band together and everyone on cg uses lua
Astrobytes: KalamariKing: Why *not* Haskell?
MSmits: KalamariKing if you're winning with some other language and your bot is not a search bot, but mostly heuristic, just convert it to lua on the last day :)
XeroOl: it's hard to convert things to lua
KalamariKing: solution: lua from day 0
XeroOl: ^
XeroOl: that's what I'm going to do
Hjax: maybe ive just have self imposed fear of everyone elses searching prowess
MSmits: why is it hard?
Westicles: JBM, I think it is a great precedent helping CG with things that are usually internal. Frankly, they could farm out quite a bit more actual work to regular folks here
XeroOl: mark my words
RoboStac: lua indexes arrays starting from 1 so it's not a real language
XeroOl: lua doesn't have int data type
KalamariKing: Hjax same lol
MSmits: true RoboStac
KalamariKing: RoboStac lmao
JBM: Westicles: wholly agree
Astrobytes: Hard to convert because other languages scream and run away from being converted
XeroOl: lua doesn't have class system
JBM: (hence the "stubs" prompt)
XeroOl: lua doesn't have string.split
KalamariKing: I genuinely wonder why, lua is awesome
JBM: they suck ass in haskell, but probaby also in many other languages
XeroOl: join me in lua on this competition please
XeroOl: I love lua so much
Astrobytes: Westicles: Yep. It's been suggested many a time
KalamariKing: never used lua lol
KalamariKing: lets do it
KalamariKing: this is my first comp so no guarantee I'll stay there, but my first bot is gonna be in lua
MSmits: I mostly pick c++ for contests these days in case performance matters, but it depends on how complicated the game is
DomiKo: c++ is always a good choice
XeroOl: yeah, I'm going to do lua if it doesn't look on the surface like a performance game
JBM: is it ever
MSmits: mmh i am not very good with the complex sim stuff in c++
MSmits: bitboarding sht is easy, but classes and derivative classes and such gets harder
JBM: low-level languages are dangerous with anything complex
XeroOl: I am going to write an algorithm whose control flow is built out of lua coroutines
davilla: do we have anything more than concept artwork at this point?
struct: no
JBM: next contest?
JBM: when is it?
Hjax: tomorrow
JBM: OH
XeroOl: 18 hours ish
JBM: ho ok
XeroOl: https://www.codingame.com/contests/spring-challenge-2021
JBM: i mean
KalamariKing: yeah lol
JBM: i *am* on holiday
KalamariKing: rather soon
JBM: so lemme schedule something completely different
JBM: to stream when it starts
MSmits: JBM you mean off work, or actually somewhere other than home
JBM: MSmits: lol
JBM: i mean off work
MSmits: ah ok
JBM: as opposed to
Hjax: i feel like my rust is workable, but i also feel like i write it like its java, im not familiar enough with rust idioms
Astrobytes: I highly recommend JBMs Haskell streams btw
JBM: i spent last month at work, somewhere other than home
MSmits: well i competed in a contest from a themepark hotel once so..
Astrobytes: And he didn't pay me to say that
JBM: yeah nobody likes my cubing streams
JBM: hey, i did get that last UArray to work
Astrobytes: You do some cubing while Haskelling though
JBM: on westicles' puzzle
JBM: so i'll get to completing it tomorrow
JBM: yeah that happens
JBM: hey while you're here
JBM: would you still have the lniks to the TVC merch pix?
JBM: i had a request on #fr and lost the links
MSmits: well i want to finish this work stuff before i sleep, so hf all. I won't be chatting till my first full bot version is done so it'll be a few days. You'll see me on the leaderboard somewhere though...
Astrobytes: hmmm, I don't believe so
JBM: ok
Astrobytes: They were epic
Astrobytes: hang on
Hjax: cya smits, good luck in the contest!
MSmits: you too
KalamariKing: OH MY GOD
JBM: or at least
KalamariKing: IM DOING IT
JBM: what was even the site's name
JBM: KalamariKing: YEAH
Astrobytes: Nope, I don't believe I saved it, or if I did, I lost it.
KalamariKing: I solved a puzzle without struggling, twice in a row now!
JBM: you rock!
KalamariKing: They normally take me 7-8 hours of debugging
KalamariKing: Ik, I'm great at programming
JBM: you so are
KalamariKing: The amount of stupid oversights I normally encounter is astounding
One would think pulling an all-nighter would make me worse...
Astrobytes: JBM: the link isn't in dbd r's chat log is it?
XeroOl: which difficulty of puzzle?
JBM: of course it is
Astrobytes: Or did that come after?
KalamariKing: medium, shut up
JBM: which date?
XeroOl: nice, medium
Astrobytes: Pff! Damned if I know :D
JBM: heh
Astrobytes: It does have search functionality
JBM: so what are we lookin' for?
KalamariKing: hypothesis: a second all-nighter tonight, a straight 72 hours without sleep, will make me even BETTER at programming for tomorrow's contest
davilla: the difficulty is often off, medium puzzles can actually be easy or hard
Astrobytes: troll underwear?
Astrobytes: merch/merchandise?
JBM: davilla: do comment about it on the forum or the puzzle's contribution page
JBM: underwear is a good keyword
KalamariKing: Oh they're all over the place JBM
davilla: yes I do
Astrobytes: I can't remember if you sent me it in pm or whether it was in World
davilla: when will I be able to edit?
davilla: how high level?
JBM: lvl29 IIRC
Astrobytes: I think you posted it publicly in #fr though
JBM: seemed high at the time
JBM: did I?
JBM: seemed like more of a #wld topic
Astrobytes: I don't know
davilla: I've been coasting for a couple of weeks now, leveling up just with new contributions, very few solves
JBM: oh well
Astrobytes: But some #fr people knew of it iirc
KalamariKing: I need to pass the weekly challenge for the quest map but struct here made it impossible -_-
JBM: if anybody finds it, pb4 hasn't seen it yet, y'all got my blessing to share it to him
JBM: cuz pb4 *is* kind of someone special wrt tvc
Astrobytes: With his probability-based solution
JBM: i'm not sure any other is worth anything
JBM: then again
Astrobytes: or whatever it was, I forget
JBM: got notified for him posting a bug repost
JBM: "i'm not first anymore FX IT"
Astrobytes: heh!
Astrobytes: Are you still getting XP from it btw?
JBM: yeah
JBM: like 40XP every 30 days
JBM: when it's on top of the list
JBM: well it's better than nothin, right
JBM: pays for the clicking to get it published again
KalamariKing: imagine getting free xp
jacek: its like passive income
JBM: jacek: yeah, so exactly no, read again
davilla: that's what it feels like when your contributions are accepted, and you log in after a few days and you're up a level
Westicles: JBM, you did 5D Chests in Haskell?
JBM: in the middle of it
JBM: (was on stream too)
Westicles: oh cool, is that archived somewhere I can watch?
JBM: got a bit sidetracked with unboxing V5s
JBM: oh
JBM: errr
JBM: gimme a place to upload
JBM: but i've delisted it from twitch
JBM: too much privacy invasion
Astrobytes: pronhub
Astrobytes: I jest
JBM: so i completed (off stream) the unboxing of V5 arrays
JBM: and i'll be back to moaning about the unclear definition of what bounds a room again on stream tomorrow
Westicles: heh heh
JBM: take care
JBM: i'll only cast my vote when i'm done
JBM: but for now, it's 2* "unclear"
Kr3sZ: I got a question. How would a C# or a C++ coder beat a Python coder at Clash, in the shortest code challenge?
XeroOl: learn ruby
KalamariKing: Good question
JBM: (with additional anger for "not my first pick")
Kr3sZ: :thonk:
Westicles: ha, you'd have to be in some kind of pedantic cranky mode for it to be unclear :P
KalamariKing: C# and C++ both need libraries, classes, types, etc whereas python doesnt
JBM: not at all
Kr3sZ: you are right.
JBM: ts'a simple matter of "what bounds a room"
Westicles: Even the built-in python function knew how to do it
JBM: walls? or dimensional constraints?
KalamariKing: Question: How would one go about building a search tree
XeroOl: ????
KalamariKing: Not looking for copy-paste code, but instead an explanation of what needs to be done
Hjax: recursion
JBM: node by node
JBM: Hjax: damn you your answer is better
Astrobytes: I give up searching chat logs
jacek: oO
JBM: yeah ikr
KalamariKing: Recursion like function calling itself?
KalamariKing: Epic I can do that
JBM: like,
JormaWuorio: How am i supposed to know which factories i have units in at the beginning of ghost in the cell?
JBM: you're the coder
JormaWuorio: and how many
Hjax: def search(depth):
if depth = 0 return eval
else return max(search(child) for each child)
JBM: don't play gitc
JBM: it sucks
Hjax: er, depth - 1
JBM: how is ur csb
KalamariKing: did you just write that rn
Astrobytes: heh
Hjax: my pseudocode sucks
KalamariKing: its pretty much python
davilla: sorry JormaW I haven't done that one yet
KalamariKing: change = to == and it will run in python
Hjax: python is the first language i learned
Hjax: so yes my pseudocode is somewhat syntactically correct python
Astrobytes: No, python is pretty much pseudo, get it the right way round
KalamariKing: lmao you have a point asto
KalamariKing: astro*
JormaW: ive gotten to wooden league something on csb.. got frustrated on that too even though i love the concept
**Astrobytes runs and hides
Westicles: Walls or dimensional constraints? I mean, you know you can only move in certain ways and the walls block you
JBM: the walls and te constraints
JBM: let's make it 1D
JBM: what were the symbols
JBM: there's no symbol
JBM: 1011101
JBM: how many rooms? 1 or 3?
Westicles: 3
JBM: ouch
JBM: so "dimensional constraints"
JBM: and my code and yours disagree ^^'
JBM: all right
Westicles: 0 is a wall?
JBM: well i'm not touching that with a 9-ft pole tonight anyway
JBM: 1 is gold
Hjax: KalamariKing the big idea is that you dont actually construct a tree, its implicitly constructed in memory through recursion
KalamariKing: that seems rather hard for my small brain
KalamariKing: a state machine is just a function whose result depends on its past results, right
KalamariKing: if that makes sense
Astrobytes: wrt not actually constructing a tree, that's not necessarily true depending on the algo
jacek: not contructring tree? mcts folks dont agree
Hjax: fair, in minimax / alphabeta at least
Astrobytes: Yep
Hjax: probably should get that solid before attempting mcts
Westicles: Hikari found a nifty python solution. There is a build in function import scipy.ndimage that counts the rooms automatically
Astrobytes: lol
Westicles: multidimensional image processing
Hjax: imagine solving something with just scipy >_>
Astrobytes: https://xkcd.com/353/
orangesnowfox: lol
Hjax: from scipy import pr2
pr2.run()
Astrobytes: lol the munkres
Kr3sZ: I still hate shortest mode >:c
Kr3sZ: I'm always getting it.
KalamariKing: Shortest mode is amazing
Hjax: shortest is my favorite one
Astrobytes: Do puzzles then
Kr3sZ: oh
KalamariKing: lmao immediate shutdown
MadKnight: Kr3sZ just switch to python/ruby
Hjax: reverse is the one i hate, sometimes i miss the plot and end up being really slow
Kr3sZ: i just dont like it because python coders are too good in being short :D
B-612: hi
KalamariKing: Hello!
jacek: maybe they have short pythons
jacek: ba dum tss
Marchete: perl is like "<>%$·" done!
KalamariKing: marchete lol
Astrobytes: jacek dear or dear
Astrobytes: *oh
Kr3sZ: c# is like Console.WriteLine("Being Done :DDD");
Westicles: JBM still there? What time is the stream tomorrow? I gotta see that
JBM: like i got a schedule
Kr3sZ: wake up JBM
Kr3sZ: nice
JBM: you wake up Kr3sZ
Kr3sZ: oh, okey then
B-612: can somebody help me about writing regexp function code for this chars "(),*,|,concatination)
MadKnight: Automaton2000 we gotta watch JBM stream
Automaton2000: i mean i know how many turns it takes to get to the next level
JBM: y
JBM: all do
MadKnight: StreaBM
JBM: missing some J there
KalamariKing: StreaJBM
Astrobytes: Usually you indicate in fr or on the forum for stream JBM right?
MadKnight: JeaBM
JBM: used to
KalamariKing: Automaton2000 wait so then how many does it take
JBM: but that was before the casual streaming time
Automaton2000: and like i said, i don't know how to code
Astrobytes: Ah right
Kr3sZ: where are you streaming jbm?
JBM: best bet is to follow my twitch
KalamariKing: Automaton2000 youre a bot you ARE code
Astrobytes: From his computer
Automaton2000: no i dont think i can still have a lot of time
JBM: but you'll have to filter out the speedcubing if that's not your thing
Kr3sZ: haha funny fun goes brr
Kr3sZ: now for real
Kr3sZ: twitct?
Kr3sZ: *twitch
King_Coda: Yes
Astrobytes: Yeah I follow it already
JBM: "cg_JBM"
Kr3sZ: thanks
JBM: totally inspirational
Westicles: speedcubing? Is that like some world of fortnite minecraft thing?
JBM: can't regret or your money back
JBM: Westicles: EXACTLY! just without the nite, minecraft or fort
Astrobytes: Come on Westicles
King_Coda: WORLD OF FORTNITE MINECRAFT
Kr3sZ: fortcraft?
Kr3sZ: jeezus
King_Coda: Coming to the app store
Astrobytes: "LSP situation" just made me think of Lumpy Space Princess from Adventure Time JBM. As a 38 year old I find that amusing.
Astrobytes: (re. forum post)
JBM: yeah i figured
Astrobytes: It triggered my cartoon-watching days from when my niece and nephews were younguns
jacek: you watch kids show? shame on you
JBM: or he did 35 years ago
Astrobytes: Tbh, that was a good show
jacek: i know that show watched few eps
Astrobytes: That and... the Amazing Gumball Adventures
Astrobytes: *Amazing Adventures of Gumball
jacek: or my small horse
Astrobytes: And The Regular Show (starring Mark Hamill as a mystical Yeti)
JBM: i'm gonna need to google translate each and every one of those individually
Astrobytes: No jacek. Always no.
jacek: regular show? this? https://i.imgur.com/EwZHpvq.png
Astrobytes: Mordecai never went near a pony. That's just weird.
jacek: thats pegas
Kr3sZ: CodinGame devs should make a desktop version of the website, I would love it :D
Astrobytes: The Regular Show was weird enough without adding in strange pony things
Westicles: Has thib done a stream lately? I follow him but never got a notification he is on
KalamariKing: bender ep 1 sucks
KalamariKing: its not hard, just a lot
Astrobytes: Don't think so Westicles, he does them when on holiday usually iirc
Westicles: never mind, I should be good to go now to spam JBM
Astrobytes: With...?
Westicles: for his twitch stream tomorrow for 5D Chests
Westicles: with my high school french
jacek: anime chests are only 2D
Astrobytes: Ah
Astrobytes: He'll probably just laugh at you then ignore you
Astrobytes: Unless it's meaningful
JBM: Westicles: if you're on a lucky day, no highschool french needed
Astrobytes: :grin:
Westicles: Thank god. It took a whole year to figure out our teacher wasn't pronouncing the name of the textbook (nous tous) correctly
Westicles: noose toose
JBM: noo toose
Astrobytes: My French teacher was a small dragon named Mlle. Meurice
Astrobytes: I only learned that I liked German better.
I learned my French 'skills' much later.
jacek: oO
KalamariKing: imagine knowing multiple languages
Astrobytes: what are you oOing at jacek
jacek: "I only learned that I liked German better"
jacek: how does schmetterling! is better than butterfly
JBM: doesn't sound that bad tbh
Astrobytes: It was true. Far easier, and the teacher was not a monstrous hellbeast from somewhere fiery and sulphurous
JBM: it's all a matter of ALLCAPSING it on the meme
JBM: MARIPOSSSAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Astrobytes: Yes. German sounds very gentle most of the time and quite pleasing to the ear, until you do the shouty thing.
fvla: I just remembered the famous Downfall scene
fvla: Sounds about right
JBM: still haven't seen the rest of the movie
Astrobytes: It's actually a pretty decent movie
fvla: I'd like to watch the full thing one day
jacek: that most pariodied downfall scene?
JBM: reminds me i've gotta photoshop my grandparents' photo
Astrobytes: Since it became a meme-fest I'm not sure how many people have actually seen it all
jacek: i wonder if i could what the movie seriously after hat
jacek: watch*
Astrobytes: Yeah you can, but you'll still remember. Such is the nature of a meme...
jacek: should do that meme with CG contest theme
TBali: Hi, what is the best way to prepare for tommorrow contest?
fvla: oh no
Astrobytes: Go to sleep.
TBali: Seeing Totoro movie once more?
Astrobytes: No idea.
Astrobytes: Honestly.
jacek: i imagine struct being the shouting one about not winning
struct: hmm
Astrobytes: Just get your contest trousers on and hope for the best.
Westicles: It wasn't great but the guy playing goebbels did a good job
struct: What do you mean jacek?
TBali: I did not get from the picture it is Totoro
jacek: nothing ~
fvla: I'm working on The Resistance rn, and my crappy Python solution times out.
KalamariKing: Astrochars how much sleep would you recommend? I can't sleep a full 8 hours, I just can't idk why, but 3 hours isn't enough
JBM: as muhc as is needed
Astrobytes: 6-8 hours is generally recommended. I am not your sleep therapist.
fvla: Currently using morse trie
jacek: try lucid dreaming
fvla: yes
fvla: that is perfect
Astrobytes: Every night, every morning.
struct: Just watch some CSB replays it should help
fvla: lmao
struct: for the contest
Westicles: Hah, Astrobytes I think KalamariKing has imprinted on you like a penguin
fvla: oh i thought you meant for going to sleep
fvla: watch CSB replays until you get bored to sleep
KalamariKing: Easticles wdym
Westicles: how many hours should I sleep... lol
Astrobytes: Seriously
Marchete: yes
Hjax: sleep 16 hours
Hjax: fast travel to the contest
TBali: or study forest spirits
jacek: uct forest?
TBali: Have you seen the Totoro movie? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096283/
KalamariKing: Yeah
fvla: once
fvla: Nice family movie
Astrobytes: Forest spirits? Like pálinka? :D
TBali: Miyazaki is really great
struct: Yes, it was a prerequisite to beta test the contest
TBali: After Totoro I looked up and seen several other Ghibli films
Westicles: I think the blueberries are the forest spirits.
Astrobytes: Spirited away was good
Hjax: i love Howls Moving Castle
Westicles: What has the one in Tokyo with the psychics and the giant monster teddy bears?
Astrobytes: And Princess Mononoke was alright
Astrobytes: Not sure how many others I've seen
fvla: Makoto Shinkai, anyone?
Westicles: Oh, Akira
Hjax: ive seen Your Name and Weathering With You @fvla
fvla: same, but I'd also seen his older works before Your Name even came out
fvla: not many though
AntiSquid: TBali the art in made in abyss is inspired from gibli, you must watch it
Hjax: have you seen the movie too @AntiSquid?
Hjax: Dawn of the Deep Soul
AntiSquid: no, only read the manga
Hjax: ah
Hjax: i love the anime
AntiSquid: manga chapters take few seconds, 2 minutes at most, so i prefer those
Hjax: ive seen a ton of anime, havent read much manga
Hjax: only manga ive read is Kagerou Daze
fvla: manga is a trap
Astrobytes: It's just like anime but it doesn't move.
fvla: might seem like you're saving time
AntiSquid: what are the speculations around totoro? what kind of CG game do we get based on that? lol
fvla: but it steals your life force
fvla: particularly ongoing manga series
Westicles: struct said it is 2player with cards and fow
Astrobytes: I'm tired of speculating about it AntiSquid, I just want it to appear so I know whether to bother with it or not.
AntiSquid: i doubt it . don't believe struct @_@
Astrobytes: struc t also said it was 4 player hex grid with fow
struct: maybe im not even testing it, who really knows
AntiSquid: no, hex is his fetish, not the actual game
AntiSquid: oh damn, he's still online
AntiSquid: how's your day? nice to see you
TBali: :)
Astrobytes: Why would struc t not be on at this time?
AntiSquid: idk, i don't keep track of people's time
TBali: NDA?
Astrobytes: It's a rare thing.
struct: no NDA
struct: just respect
struct: or w/e is the word
Astrobytes: But insta-FU if you don't respect that boundary
Astrobytes: It's trust-based
struct: yeah
TBali: trust is overrated :-)
AntiSquid: some shit gets leaked that's the problem
TBali: I once had a CEO that said: "trust is good. But EBIT is better."
Astrobytes: Honesty is underrated.
AntiSquid: i just wonder how much gets leaked on this site really, it's leaky i am sure
Westicles: tbali, 495 puzzles? you must be close to all of them
TBali: 15 missing
Astrobytes: Oh, some boss TBali :rofl:
struct: Well I can be sure that if there is any leak it didnt came from me
TBali: but these are damn hard
AntiSquid: not saying that struct
AntiSquid: i mean the site itself not people
TBali: Even ISS has leaks
Westicles: have you done that deleted optim?
TBali: Or was it already mended?
Astrobytes: Other than emails from Klee disclosing all participants email addresses I'm not sure anything significant has happened through or as a result of CG?
TBali: which one was deleted?
Astrobytes: The Great Dispatch
Westicles: yeah, that one. turns out you can still do it
Astrobytes: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/the-great-dispatch-disabled
AntiSquid: unleash the geek for example Astrobytes
AntiSquid: but there's a bit more than that ...
Astrobytes: Oh in terms of leaking replays?
AntiSquid: anything
struct: the replays have been fixed
TBali: did not know of this.
In optim, I still dn't have 100% at bulls and cows 2
TBali: and search race
Astrobytes: Also, there is permission to recreate the Great Dispatch as a user-created optim
TBali: but search race should be easy, just did not bother it so far
TBali: Also in solo, cca 7 puzzles got deleted due to low score.
TBali: I solved only 3 or 4 from these
AntiSquid: search race > convert CSB bot, but watch out they swapped some inputs just for sheer annoyance nothing else
TBali: yeah I know.
I just skipped this, before in mid term I want to remake my php CSB bot in a faster language.
TBali: And did not want to spend effort on the old code
TBali: * before = because
Astrobytes: Moving to Pascal now TBali? :D
Westicles: yeah, you are ahead of me on deleted ones, and SG is probably ahead of you
Marchete: ugh
TBali: It is definitely faster than php :-)
Astrobytes: hehehe
TBali: Waiting for the FORTRAN support
Astrobytes: I expect a decent C bot from you at some point
TBali: I am investing time in picking up C++
Astrobytes: wait a sec, Westicles, do they have FORTRAN on here?
TBali: There was a 25y hiatus
Astrobytes: Nice TBali
Westicles: you mean from bash? yes
Astrobytes: Yeah. There you go TBali
AntiSquid: pascal was nice back in highschool i guess, but even back then i envied people from other highschools that were coding C++ instead lol
Marchete: Pascal was good in 1999, yes
Astrobytes: Write in FORTRAN, call the gcc FORTRAN compiler and away you go
TBali: I don't really know fortran.
TBali: Actually used it only once in the university,
Astrobytes: But you were waiting for FORTRAN support
Astrobytes: :P
davilla: I love how Mart Virkus is always making fun of PHP
davilla: comic author at toggl
Astrobytes: Hm, 1999... pascal? Really?
TBali: More like 1992
JBM: more like 1972
Westicles: I remember doing pascal on a commodore superpet. That must have been... a long time ago
AntiSquid: anyone used FoxPro database thingy ? really old crap
TBali: I disagree, Object Pascal was decent in the 80s
TBali: FoxPro no
Astrobytes: Yeah, a pharma company I used to work for had a whole SMS based around FoxPro AntiSquid. It was horrific.
AntiSquid: LOL what year was that
AntiSquid: i mean hahhaa
TBali: before or after Dbase IV ?
Astrobytes: It was circa 2013 I had to use it, it was in use from around 2007? I think
Astrobytes: Legacy ofc
JBM: ofc
AntiSquid: this is where pinging Automaton2000 to clear chat from bad thoughts fits best
Automaton2000: i'm not sure how that would be an array of pointers
BlaiseEbuth: Oh Fuck Srsly ?
Astrobytes: They eventually updated I believe (the SMS vendor)
Westicles: Manufacturer: Commodore
Date: 1981 ouch
Astrobytes: Anyways, got a very early one tomorrow. Gn all, take care
BlaiseEbuth: :wave:
TBali: Mart Virkus - did not know the dude, look funny at first check...
AntiSquid: contest at 2 PM in UK :o
AntiSquid: had a long day, maybe i go sleep now too @_@
AntiSquid: gn8
AntiSquid: Automaton2000
Automaton2000: yeah i think it's better if i had to use recursion
KalamariKing: gn anti
KalamariKing: Automaton2000 you're a robot, help me
Automaton2000: so i guess it is the last one
KalamariKing: Automaton2000 no its not the last one, my guy there are a couple more than a single question
Automaton2000: i know exactly what you need to wait
KalamariKing: Automaton2000 then tell me
Automaton2000: yeah i just said that
KalamariKing: Automaton2000 you literally did not, look again
Automaton2000: if i can still use it
KalamariKing: Automaton2000 use what
Automaton2000: why don't you just ask your question? then anybody can decide if it is in a big pack
KalamariKing: Automaton2000 ok fine, chill, lemme type it out
Automaton2000: could the validators in the repo not have been in a convenient format ffs...
KalamariKing: Automaton2000 nope, that's the challenge
Automaton2000: if i have to improve mine
fvla: now i'm sad...
fvla: I feel silly for trying to do a weird binary search on The Resistance only to realize that my real bottleneck was not using dynamic programming/memoization
dreadylein: @fyla dont feel bad, i recoded some pieces of code twice the last few days because i mixed up x and y :D
fvla: oof
hyphz: Don't want Fortran support. Want Common Lisp support.
fvla: wait, Fortran support???
hyphz: Sorry, joke made above, not a real thing :)
fvla: oh okay, hahaha
fvla: Writing Fortran today is on the same level as writing in an esoteric language lol
dreadylein: its not the worst language for working tho, there still is tons of fortan and cobol based legacy software around
fvla: I looked up some Fortran 90/95 code right after I said that, and it's not the worse
fvla: *worst
dreadylein: yeah
fvla: I was very badly scarred by this one time I read older Fortran code riddled with gotos
dreadylein: :D
fvla: "Hey, let's take a look at the source code of an old text adventure!"
fvla: "How bad could it be?"
dreadylein: you need to look at the fun old code :)
dreadylein: wolfenstein and doom are pretty neat
dreadylein: especialy doom has some realy realy cool pieces
fvla: thanks for the idea
fvla: will do when I can
fvla: fast invsqrt tho
fvla: (quake not doom, but still)
mai_chutiya_hu: codeforces or here?
MadKnight: Automaton2000 codehereses?
Automaton2000: now i have to get up to speed
MadKnight: Automaton2000 or hereforces?
Automaton2000: you can use that as a compliment
MadKnight: Automaton2000 choose your fighter
Automaton2000: not like i can get to it
mai_chutiya_hu: denought
mai_chutiya_hu: BLACK OR WHITE?
MadKnight: Automaton2000 codehorses is mine don't even try
Automaton2000: no idea why i would be happy to help
mai_chutiya_hu: BLACK OR WHITE
MadKnight: BANTe
mai_chutiya_hu: TRUMP IS OUR PRESIDENT
mai_chutiya_hu: OBAMA IS SHIT
MadKnight: okay
mai_chutiya_hu: FO
hexa8: mods?
mai_chutiya_hu: FO Y'ALL
mai_chutiya_hu: SEX
mai_chutiya_hu: BSDM
mai_chutiya_hu: DOGGYSTYLE
hexa8: @[CG]Nick
mai_chutiya_hu: BUTTERFLY
MadKnight: well i tried
MadKnight:
mai_chutiya_hu was not found on the chat.
Joelute: Hexa
Joelute: You're goated
MadKnight: did it ban him? i usually get a message saying someone got banned
MadKnight: but i got none this time
MadKnight: anyway
megi-san: ay ppl
MadKnight: so it's 13h 23m until the contest
MadKnight: u guys ready?
hexa8: what im goated?
MadKnight: just get to the gold league and then noone would call u goated
MadKnight: ever again
MadKnight: i think
MadKnight: Automaton2000 is that how it works?
Automaton2000: i'm not familiar with the coc problem regarding finding the room brian is in? does anyone know
MadKnight: wait i did the joke wrong
MadKnight: Automaton2000 just forget it
Automaton2000: "july 28th (19:44:36) cyberpunk: msmits i believe in your victory"
MadKnight: Automaton2000 are u logging yourself logging the chat?
Automaton2000: but i dont have to read the statement
MadKnight: don't log that, Automaton2000
Automaton2000: i got no idea what i'm supposed to do with anything
MadKnight: me too Automaton2000, me too....
Automaton2000: hey guys, i have some ideas
KalamariKing: Automaton2000 if any are about the contest tomorrow, I'll need them
Automaton2000: i dont really have a choice
KalamariKing: Automaton2000 you're right you don't, tell me
Automaton2000: if they can be used for the next round
Zenoscave: Automaton2000 ssshhhh no telling
Automaton2000: right now my highest is 48% in about 1k games
KalamariKing: Automaton2000 you've already played? Any leaks?
Automaton2000: if you could do that
KalamariKing: i gtg now, ggez those sheep tonight peeps cuz we got a contest to win in a mere 13 hours
joniebear: What horrible abomination is Pascal???
MadKnight: KalamariKing just practice a few of the older contestss
MadKnight: and focus on the things that u can learn in a day and not on anything that takes a hella ton of a time
MadKnight: well he probably won't see my messages, Automaton2000
Automaton2000: why do u want to do something with that
MadKnight: joniebear what do u have against pascal ?
MadKnight: also
MadKnight: Zenoscave u still there ?
joniebear: It crashes my spaceship...
Zenoscave: barely
MadKnight: joniebear well u probably got a mistake in your code that u need to fix
MadKnight: Zenoscave what's time now for u ?
Zenoscave: 19:28 but I'm getting ready to leave for dinner
MadKnight: is it gonna be like 08:00 for u when the contest starts ?
joniebear: Thanks, that worked.
Zenoscave: yup
MadKnight: Zenoscave are u gonna not sleep until 8am or are u gonna wake up super early instead ?
Zenoscave: wake up super early
MadKnight: nice
ZarthaxX: Zenoscave contest coming?
Zenoscave: tomorrow...
ZarthaxX: not sleeping? :P
Zenoscave: I will soon
jayy1050: I'm doing coders strike back and I'm having trouble trying to debug the code
jayy1050: can someone help? I use Java
Zenoscave: System.error.println("Thing to debug");
Zenoscave: debug as in debug messages ^
or as in debug your code?
jayy1050: oh ok
jayy1050: that would be System.out.println("Debug messages....");
jayy1050: oh wait
jayy1050: nvm
Zenoscave: nope. use the stderr stream. not stdout
Zenoscave: If you print to stdout it is considered a command on this site. DEbug messages always go to stderr
jayy1050: stderr?
jayy1050: system.err?
Zenoscave: yeah that. Sorry been a while since I've done java
Zenoscave: stderr stdout are C / C-derivative based terms. Java calls it system.err
jayy1050: I typed it on top of the code I was given and it didn't work
Zenoscave: Whats the error that's being given by the engine?
XeroOl: what do you mean by "didn't work"
jayy1050: My pod keeps going the wrong way
Zenoscave: ... Error messages won't change that.
XeroOl: so, an err.println won't change your code
jayy1050: Dang it
XeroOl: you can use it to see the values of the code
XeroOl: so, if you're doing any calculations, you could, for example, err.println the values in your calculations
XeroOl: to see where they're going wrong
XeroOl: below the video, it will show what your code outputted
jayy1050: Ok. I'll check that
XeroOl: You can look at what the code outputted, and try to understand why your code is outputting the wrong thing
XeroOl: to make the pod go the wrong way
jayy1050: I think it's because it put in System.out.println(nextCheckpointX + " " + nextCheckpointX + " 50");
jayy1050: Was one of the supposed to be nextCheckpoint Y?
davilla: x and x? yeah
jayy1050: them*
davilla: you can see those too, in white
davilla: (the debug stream is in red)
XeroOl: yeah, I think it's supposed to be X and then Y
davilla: guys, 12 hours to go
Lachrymosa: woot
jayy1050: It works now
XeroOl: hooray
davilla: kinda psyched about this, not sure why
jayy1050: Thanks guys
XeroOl: someone flip a 20 sided coin with all the languages
XeroOl: so I can pick a language to work with
mustardpudding: brainfuck
XeroOl: sorry, not supported in codingame :)
davilla: https://rolladie.net/roll-a-d20-die
Lachrymosa: I feel the most confident coding than I ever have before. So this time I feel like it will be a test of my ability and I'm setting a goal to make it to at least mid/high silver
jayy1050: Bot
jayy1050: My bad lp;
jayy1050: lol
davilla: yeah I wonder how challenging the challenge really is
davilla: my first, but then I've done some of the bot games
davilla: still only concept art, right?
XeroOl: I wish I had the local editor thing working
XeroOl: so I could edit the code on my computer instead of in the site
davilla: yeah that seems like a pain
davilla: you'll spend more time trying to figure that out than working the solution
XeroOl: I submitted a bug report to vivaldi
Smelty: spring challenge in 12 hours hype
joniebear: wait, local editor what?
XeroOl: yeah
XeroOl: in the IDE, click settings on the left, and then scroll all the way down
XeroOl: "Use an external code editor"
joniebear: I've set myself a new quest, which is to complete the descent in every language that is supported. Only 3 to go :D
joniebear: Let me try that, RIGHT NOW
joniebear: oh, here is VIM too :O
joniebear: Oh, with app and extension. I was more hoping for an API and some plugins.
mateja981: Yo guys, I an new here, can somebody explane me what to do?
FakePencilCase[ForMrTiramon]: You can do coding problems in the practice tab, there's competitions where mulitple people try to solve on problem
FakePencilCase[ForMrTiramon]: Basically just do coding based puzzles
FakePencilCase[ForMrTiramon]: Also anyone that's done the Temperatures problem, what does it mean when it's asking for -273 alone and also 5586 alone
joniebear: Can you link the puzzle?
FakePencilCase[ForMrTiramon]: https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/temperatures
FakePencilCase[ForMrTiramon]: I solved it and passed all of them but i have like 80some% because of those 2 conditions and have no idea what it means
joniebear: You need to print he temperature closest to 0 among the input data. Are you considering all possible numbers of inputs from 0 to many? :)
FakePencilCase[ForMrTiramon]: Yeah, I passed all of the test cases and from what I can tell it doesn't matter how many temps there are
FakePencilCase[ForMrTiramon]: But I have 2 validators failed and all they say are -273 alone, and 5526 alone
joniebear: Try your solution when you feed it just -273 then, and see what it does.
FakePencilCase[ForMrTiramon]: Awesome, thanks
FakePencilCase[ForMrTiramon]: Some of my conditions ignored the single inputs
davilla: Strange that that shows up only in the validators, and not as a test csase.
FakePencilCase[ForMrTiramon]: Probably an oversight since it does make sense as a requirement, but it is reaaly confusing just seeing "only -273" with no explanation
Cryptonian: f off
